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| 00:25.41 | fiberchunks | so, has anyone seen this thing about the 'collar-bomb pizzaman' ? |
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| 01:04.29 | SGIq | ok im back |
| 01:04.44 | SGIq | a wonderful dinner |
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| 01:13.58 | bryjen | ~bzflist |
| 01:24.08 | learner | the italian job is pretty swee |
| 01:24.12 | learner | sweet |
| 01:29.15 | fiberchunks | learner: you see the CNN thing about the pizzaman delivery bomb? |
| 01:29.23 | fiberchunks | attempt at a bank robbery |
| 01:29.41 | learner | you still listening to the media? (j/k) :) |
| 01:29.50 | fiberchunks | but I don't think the pizza man is guilty -- though evidence may prove me wrong, and the treatment of the whole thing was just ridiculous |
| 01:30.12 | fiberchunks | lol -- yeah, on of my girlfriends buddies pointed it out to me (it was not of my own volition dammit! :) ) |
| 01:31.49 | learner | oh yeah.. I heard about this -- that he had a bomb strapped to him and was forced to rob a bank |
| 01:31.53 | SGIq | watch the old one...italian job |
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| 01:32.09 | fiberchunks | yah |
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| 01:32.42 | learner | howdy tim |
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| 01:59.29 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): votingpoll class files were renamed to votingarbiter |
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| 02:17.29 | JBDiGriz | Are the bots currently running on any servers? |
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| 02:21.15 | Seven_up | Can someone help me with port forwarding my server through smoothwall |
| 02:23.08 | Seven_up | I posted on bzflag centrum (spanky) but not much of a response I did how ever try the suggestions that were made |
| 02:25.32 | Seven_up | I upgraded to 1.7g2 and tried ports above and below my listed port plus tried different ports to no avail |
| 02:27.35 | Seven_up | This all worked fine on a linksys DMZ but a smoothwall DMZ still requires port forwarding |
| 02:27.52 | learner | do you know how to set up the forwarding? |
| 02:28.31 | learner | you'll need to allow inbound and outbound traffic for 5155, if you use the default port |
| 02:29.37 | Seven_up | Yes I just cant seem to get the right ports forwarded I have my server set to use 5159 I set smoothwall to forward tcp and udp 5159, 5160, and 5158. |
| 02:30.36 | Seven_up | I also have a web server set up on the same machine and it forwards that fine |
| 02:31.05 | Seven_up | spanky.homelinux.org if your interested |
| 02:31.54 | learner | can you telnet to 5159 from the localhost? |
| 02:32.58 | learner | if you can't bzfs is set up wrong; if you can firewall is set up wrong |
| 02:33.29 | Seven_up | does bzfs need to be running at the time? |
| 02:33.38 | learner | definately! |
| 02:37.09 | Seven_up | I did, telnet 127.0.0.1:5159 and recieved unknown host |
| 02:37.20 | Seven_up | Was that the right command? |
| 02:37.20 | learner | telnet localhost 5159 |
| 02:37.25 | learner | no colon |
| 02:38.00 | learner | you should be able to connect to port 80 with no problem |
| 02:39.10 | Seven_up | It says connected to localhost (127.0.0.1) (spanky wishes he had beer) |
| 02:39.31 | learner | and that's for port 5159, right? |
| 02:40.19 | Seven_up | I had changed it to 17000 to try a different port so thats the command i used |
| 02:40.44 | learner | well.. it's up and running now |
| 02:40.46 | learner | I just connected |
| 02:41.58 | learner | now it's a udp problem |
| 02:42.27 | Seven_up | Hmm Ok cool were getting closer??? |
| 02:43.30 | learner | yes, you're close |
| 02:43.46 | Seven_up | I have -requireudp in the file |
| 02:44.10 | Seven_up | Or do you mean through the firewall |
| 02:44.23 | learner | yes, it's just a firewall issue now |
| 02:45.06 | learner | i vaguely remember there being another port used over udp in 1.7 .. but I'm fuzzy, that's all changed in 1.9 |
| 02:45.30 | Seven_up | Hang on I think I may have it brb |
| 02:46.12 | Seven_up | Ok try that if you would please |
| 02:47.03 | learner | niet |
| 02:47.14 | Patlabor221 | 57? |
| 02:47.28 | learner | you remember, pat? I don't |
| 02:47.46 | Patlabor221 | 5157 iic |
| 02:47.48 | Patlabor221 | iirc |
| 02:48.00 | learner | that sounds right |
| 02:48.04 | learner | udp |
| 02:49.33 | Seven_up | k should be open |
| 02:49.58 | learner | non |
| 02:50.56 | learner | try adding udp and tcp forwarding for 5150 through 5160 ;) |
| 02:51.27 | Seven_up | Ok thanks for the help it will take me a minute |
| 02:51.56 | learner | I'll see if tcpdump'll give me the number |
| 02:53.15 | learner | 5156 |
| 02:54.08 | learner | can't tell if it was tcp or udp, though |
| 02:54.19 | Seven_up | Ill try both |
| 02:55.17 | Seven_up | k should be open |
| 03:10.22 | learner | Seven_up: you're good -- it's running fine |
| 03:10.41 | Seven_up | K I just can't connect :( |
| 03:10.44 | learner | your firewall is probably blocking your packets |
| 03:11.03 | learner | make sure you allow connections from localhost |
| 03:11.42 | Seven_up | K Im sure its just on my end Thanks for all your help |
| 03:11.58 | learner | no problem |
| 03:11.59 | learner | cheers |
| 03:19.00 | learner | lemme try that |
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| 03:30.10 | Patlabor221 | SG1 season 4 is very good |
| 03:33.04 | Seven_up | Well I give up for tonight its wife time :) Thanks learner and Pat for your help getting me this far. |
| 03:54.59 | learner | sg1 season 4 mmmmm |
| 03:55.36 | learner | I envy thy videoage patlabor |
| 03:58.13 | JBDiGriz | It's time to put a video in a window on this machine |
| 04:57.43 | Patlabor221 | awww they killed martoof |
| 04:58.02 | JBDiGriz | 2001 looked very different in 1968 |
| 04:58.38 | Patlabor221 | Where are the flying cars? I was promiced FLYING CARS!!! |
| 04:59.04 | JBDiGriz | We're still working on the space station, forget the moon bases. |
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| 04:59.59 | MrApathyCream | hey look it's tim! |
| 05:00.16 | Patlabor221 | well cus we are stull building that thing with tech from those 60's |
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| 05:13.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RobotPlayer.cxx): make vc happy again |
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| 10:31.51 | Chestal | proton: which part of your body did you cut out today? |
| 10:32.02 | Chestal | hi d_v |
| 10:33.00 | david_v | hey Chestal |
| 10:33.16 | david_v | i am just having a lunchbreak in school |
| 10:41.06 | david_v | they don't have BZflag here... yet. a must fix :) |
| 10:45.38 | Chestal | school? didn't know that you are a youngster :-) |
| 10:46.16 | david_v | hm :) college anyway, if you like |
| 10:46.33 | Chestal | I'll go and enjoy a tea in the sun now, probably one of the last days this year that it's warm enough |
| 10:46.42 | david_v | heh |
| 10:46.53 | david_v | well i gtg, so cya around later |
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| 12:40.36 | Chikorita | any1 wanna c nakey pics of meeself? |
| 12:40.39 | Chikorita | no? |
| 12:40.43 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 12:40.45 | Chikorita | LoL |
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| 14:32.07 | Bagheera_ | how do i kill my other self? |
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| 14:37.41 | Bagheera_ | hey chick |
| 14:37.50 | Chikorita | hi Bags |
| 14:37.54 | learner | hi chika |
| 14:38.04 | Chikorita | nice day taday iznt it? |
| 14:38.11 | learner | beautiful |
| 14:38.13 | Chikorita | hiya learner :) |
| 14:38.22 | Bagheera_ | do you know how to kill my other self, i had a blue screen of death and it left me connected.................very nice day |
| 14:38.29 | Chikorita | good day 4 a bike ride ;) |
| 14:38.35 | Bagheera_ | my boss is sailing, the (*&(&()*&()*& |
| 14:38.42 | learner | hehe |
| 14:38.47 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 14:38.55 | Chikorita | blu screen of def |
| 14:38.58 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 14:39.22 | learner | you can ghost him |
| 14:39.22 | Chikorita | chestal can boot ur doppleganger |
| 14:39.37 | Bagheera_ | ?...ghost |
| 14:39.43 | Bagheera_ | irc newbie here |
| 14:39.43 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.48 | Bagheera_ | ghost Bagheera |
| 14:40.55 | learner | nope |
| 14:41.04 | learner | you'll do something like: |
| 14:41.15 | dheckaman | but you have to be registered first |
| 14:41.20 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:41.30 | Chikorita | o |
| 14:41.35 | learner | yes, this assumes you registered :) |
| 14:41.41 | Bagheera_ | registered? |
| 14:41.47 | Chikorita | ya , wif irc |
| 14:41.51 | Bagheera_ | very newbie |
| 14:41.52 | Chikorita | or mirc |
| 14:42.07 | dheckaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.12 | Chikorita | u kno , dat sign on thingie u alwayz c , buh click no anywayz |
| 14:42.43 | dheckaman | er, no |
| 14:42.44 | Chikorita | i dunno |
| 14:42.46 | learner | if you didn't register you'll have to get an operator (chestal, captain_proton, etc) to kick it |
| 14:42.58 | dheckaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.02 | Chikorita | <--super noobie |
| 14:43.17 | dheckaman | learner: that still wont allow him to change his nick... |
| 14:43.26 | Chikorita | lol |
| 14:43.28 | Chikorita | yum |
| 14:43.51 | Bagheera_ | gah, being old and ignorant hurts the little grey cells |
| 14:43.56 | learner | no, but once kicked, he can change to Bagheera and register himself |
| 14:44.04 | Chikorita | im chewin bubble gum already...eatin cheetos wil make it taste like cheez gum :P |
| 14:44.34 | learner | captain_proton: enwaken thyself! |
| 14:44.55 | Chikorita | wont da otha bags b idle kicked sooner or lata? |
| 14:45.03 | dheckaman | kicking != kicked off the server |
| 14:45.22 | learner | hehe, oh yea |
| 14:45.54 | learner | well, at least I would have to look at two of him :) |
| 14:45.59 | Bagheera_ | ok, so basically i wait for an operator to kick my other self, then register? |
| 14:46.01 | learner | er, wouldn't :) |
| 14:46.09 | dheckaman | or wait for it to time out |
| 14:46.15 | Bagheera_ | ok |
| 14:46.37 | Bagheera_ | the grey cells are beginning to calm down |
| 14:47.03 | Chikorita | i jus spilled my pepsi :( |
| 14:47.07 | Chikorita | brb |
| 14:47.08 | Bagheera_ | sry chick, its that NASA blood in you......... |
| 14:47.12 | learner | Chika.. you should register your nick |
| 14:47.52 | learner | hehe, oops pepsi girl -- caffeine making you jittery? :) |
| 14:49.44 | learner | woo hoo |
| 14:49.54 | learner | hurry up before I steal it ;) |
| 14:50.16 | Chikorita | c i was right he got idled kicked |
| 14:50.45 | learner | so /msg nickserv register <password> |
| 14:50.56 | learner | then /msg nickserv identify <password> |
| 14:50.59 | Bagheera | hehe....i am registered.....ahahhahaa |
| 14:51.14 | Chikorita | heehe yay |
| 14:51.36 | Bagheera | i am identified..........ooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:51.48 | dheckaman | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.51 | Bagheera | hah, i think it all worked......then i will be able to ghost myself if this happens again............... |
| 14:52.54 | Bagheera | thanks all |
| 14:54.45 | learner | if you do a /whois <whoever> you'll see "blah is an identified user" too btw when you are identified |
| 14:56.43 | Chikorita | imma first lieutenent noobie |
| 14:56.44 | Bagheera | poll voting?.....karma? |
| 14:56.46 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 14:57.26 | Chikorita | baggy i order u 2 clean up da irc room an stock da mini fridge wif more sodas |
| 14:57.28 | fiberchunks | I have secondary karma whilst working on my dharma |
| 14:57.30 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 14:57.37 | fiberchunks | afternoon all |
| 14:57.41 | Chikorita | hi fiba |
| 14:57.49 | learner | no bags, it's not the karma system, though ever so slightly related |
| 14:57.49 | Bagheera | hey fiber |
| 14:57.58 | learner | mornin' fiberman |
| 14:58.09 | Chikorita | ~karma chikorita |
| 14:58.10 | | chikorita has neutral karma |
| 14:58.16 | Chikorita | :| |
| 14:58.20 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 14:58.31 | Bagheera | gotcha chick, diet pepsi's coming up |
| 14:58.46 | Chikorita | yay |
| 14:59.02 | Chikorita | i need anutha 1 since i spilled most of mine jus now :P |
| 14:59.07 | Bagheera | and a couple red bulls for that 2pm low |
| 14:59.17 | Chikorita | heh |
| 14:59.35 | Chikorita | o u kno wuts also good? |
| 14:59.43 | Chikorita | da Amp drink |
| 14:59.49 | Chikorita | itz gooood |
| 15:00.10 | Chikorita | in da lil green cans |
| 15:00.17 | Bagheera | but i need that bull bile..........(taurine is a main ingredient in Red Bull, first identified in bull bile) |
| 15:00.44 | Chikorita | o umm okaayy dats nice 2 kno |
| 15:00.51 | Chikorita | *pukes on bags* |
| 15:00.53 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:01.03 | Chikorita | theirs sum chika bile 4 u |
| 15:01.04 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 15:01.12 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 15:01.24 | Chikorita | ibot wake up |
| 15:01.25 | | Chikorita: I give up, what is it? |
| 15:01.27 | Bagheera | my boss has the same opinion...........i |
| 15:01.28 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 15:01.40 | Chikorita | hmm ducati iz down |
| 15:01.42 | Bagheera | ducati is down until the weekend |
| 15:01.45 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 15:01.49 | Chikorita | dang |
| 15:01.51 | Bagheera | look at the forum |
| 15:01.59 | Chikorita | k |
| 15:02.26 | Chikorita | brb2 |
| 15:15.07 | ElectricElf | How long has ducati been down? |
| 15:16.11 | learner | for at least 3 hours, maybe much longer |
| 15:16.28 | learner | er, 1 hour |
| 15:16.42 | Chestal | 2 hours |
| 15:16.55 | learner | hey, the man himself |
| 15:17.23 | learner | you manually flipping the bits for a while chestal? |
| 15:17.57 | fiberchunks | ugga mugga foo |
| 15:18.28 | Chestal | learner: nah, I'm leaving soon. Even my irc client has to die |
| 15:18.40 | learner | woa |
| 15:18.48 | learner | what's the "uptime" on that baby ;) |
| 15:19.28 | Chestal | hmm, irc client started on August 02 |
| 15:19.34 | dheckaman | LOL |
| 15:19.36 | learner | is ducati going to be down all weekend? |
| 15:19.50 | learner | lol, chestal :) |
| 15:20.02 | dheckaman | hmm |
| 15:20.20 | dheckaman | anyone know how to get voice/data in bosnia? |
| 15:20.22 | dheckaman | :) |
| 15:20.32 | fiberchunks | yeah, move there |
| 15:21.09 | dheckaman | on a pcmcia card... :) |
| 15:22.04 | learner | find a starbucks |
| 15:22.10 | dheckaman | hahaha |
| 15:22.14 | Chestal | learner: well, power should be back tomorrow evening. But I probably won't be at the university before Sunday afternoon |
| 15:24.00 | Bagheera | sounds like an opportunity |
| 15:24.15 | fiberchunks | yes, just mind the genocide |
| 15:24.17 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 15:24.50 | Bagheera | we all have our problems......some are just a little more relevant than others |
| 15:24.57 | Bagheera | ;) |
| 15:28.40 | Bagheera | .......oy, and in an odd coincidence...................i just found out that a woman was attacked outside this building this morning................. |
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| 16:15.11 | patlabor221 | how do you get IRC on your bike? |
| 16:15.23 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 16:15.35 | learner | hehe, I'm still working that one out |
| 16:23.09 | Bagheera | ~seen quol |
| 16:23.09 | | quol <~Quol@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 11h 48m 34s ago, saying: 'see you tomorrow - G;Night'. |
| 16:50.57 | JBDiGriz | pat: irc on the bike is easy. Mount the ibook on the handlebars, turn on text to speech and speech to text and install the ricochet card. |
| 16:51.32 | dheckaman | you do that and give us photos |
| 16:51.34 | patlabor221 | so all his lines would be "huff... hi" "crap.. cat... hows' it going?" |
| 16:51.39 | dheckaman | before and after :) |
| 16:51.49 | dheckaman | lol |
| 16:52.59 | JBDiGriz | Going up hills might sound like he's making an obscene phone call, but after doing it for a month, it wouldn't be as bad. |
| 16:53.48 | JBDiGriz | Actually there was a local guy who installed a larger setup on his bicycle and went touring around the country. I'll see if I can find the web site. |
| 16:55.43 | JBDiGriz | http://www.microship.com/bike/behemoth/ |
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| 16:58.01 | anaconda | nhi |
| 16:58.27 | anaconda | n<--- |
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| 17:10.40 | Chikorita | oops |
| 17:10.52 | Chikorita | o okies it worked |
| 17:10.55 | Chikorita | nm |
| 17:10.58 | patlabor221 | opps? |
| 17:11.29 | JBDiGriz | hi chika, here for another guerilla strike? |
| 17:11.37 | Chikorita | i jus did da registry identify ...tho i did it wrong buh it worked |
| 17:12.01 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:12.21 | Chikorita | lol hi jaybee aka fish-anvil |
| 17:12.36 | JBDiGriz | ~dict fish-anvil |
| 17:12.39 | patlabor221 | fish anvil? |
| 17:12.44 | Chikorita | lol ya |
| 17:12.58 | JBDiGriz | Neither could I, ibot, neither could I.... |
| 17:13.16 | Chikorita | c lemme demonstrate.. |
| 17:13.39 | fish-anvil | That was good chika, how did you do that? |
| 17:13.52 | Chikorita | lol |
| 17:13.59 | Chikorita | easy |
| 17:14.18 | fish-anvil | You must have been studying the IRC commands. |
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| 17:14.29 | Chikorita | hi ches |
| 17:14.40 | Chikorita | so ducati iz down til sunday prolly? |
| 17:14.46 | Chikorita | ~q |
| 17:14.47 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Chestal] by ChanServ |
| 17:14.56 | Chikorita | ~quol |
| 17:15.05 | Chestal | Chikorita: yes |
| 17:15.12 | Chikorita | k |
| 17:15.16 | Chikorita | j/w |
| 17:16.19 | fish-hammer | heehe |
| 17:16.45 | fish-anvil | Maybe we should both take a shower, it's starting to smell like the ocean around here. |
| 17:16.56 | TheAnti-Fish | :D |
| 17:17.00 | fish-hammer | :D |
| 17:17.19 | fish-hammer | heehe i dunno bout u buh im alwayz fresh |
| 17:17.23 | fish-hammer | green apple fresh |
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| 17:17.41 | fish-hammer | so it mus b all u jaybee |
| 17:17.50 | fish-hammer | go take a showah |
| 17:17.54 | TheAnti-Fish | WTF? |
| 17:18.03 | fish-hammer | lol |
| 17:18.21 | fish-hammer | wuts wrong patlabor? |
| 17:18.24 | fish-anvil | No entiendo |
| 17:18.49 | fish-anvil | He's asking "what's that fish?" |
| 17:18.50 | TheAnti-Fish | I can't understand a damn word any of you are saying |
| 17:19.11 | fish-hammer | lol |
| 17:19.29 | fish-anvil | fish-hammer is acting fresh with me, she keeps trying to touch me inappropriately. ;-) |
| 17:19.53 | fish-hammer | lol no dats ur own fins doin da touchin |
| 17:20.03 | fish-hammer | stop dat naughty ;) |
| 17:20.04 | TheAnti-Fish | this is TEXT, he can't touch you. |
| 17:20.31 | Chikorita | :p |
| 17:20.42 | TheAnti-Fish | :wq |
| 17:20.49 | fish-anvil | ZZ |
| 17:21.05 | Chikorita | hmm there sumtin on ur nose pat |
| 17:21.11 | TheAnti-Fish | nope |
| 17:21.41 | Chikorita | ya |
| 17:21.45 | Chikorita | there was |
| 17:22.00 | TheAnti-Fish | hacking the ol'de webcam? |
| 17:22.02 | Chikorita | it looked like a "w" |
| 17:22.12 | Chikorita | lol |
| 17:22.17 | TheAnti-Fish | w means write. |
| 17:22.34 | Chikorita | o write |
| 17:22.35 | fish-anvil | chika, can you change me back? |
| 17:22.43 | Chikorita | lol |
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| 17:23.08 | Chikorita | hi davy |
| 17:23.10 | JBDiGriz | Thanks |
| 17:23.14 | Chikorita | yw |
| 17:23.21 | david_v | tampam |
| 17:24.07 | Chikorita | <<skeered of unstable peeple |
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| 17:24.25 | HiglyUnstable | << scared for srable people |
| 17:25.00 | HiglyUnstable | ok so if a databse is a client of a network hosted database, and it gets disconected, should it close the database or keep working with it's local copy? |
| 17:25.04 | Chikorita | ndavy lets look 4 mayhem taday |
| 17:25.42 | Chikorita | close da database i say |
| 17:25.43 | david_v | Chikorita: i'll try in a few minutes |
| 17:25.50 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 17:25.57 | Chikorita | david_v: okies |
| 17:25.59 | HiglyUnstable | but then the server would have no registration data |
| 17:26.05 | Chikorita | dats ok |
| 17:26.06 | JBDiGriz | It depends on the application, and the difficulty of remerging changes. |
| 17:26.08 | HiglyUnstable | it could continue with it's last known state |
| 17:26.16 | Chikorita | betta play it safe |
| 17:26.19 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 17:26.25 | HiglyUnstable | right now it won't merge, if you reconect, it will use the server as authoritive |
| 17:26.30 | Chikorita | i dunno im jus guessin LoL |
| 17:26.34 | HiglyUnstable | and just get the server state |
| 17:26.38 | Chestal | use a Quorm protocol :-) |
| 17:26.41 | JBDiGriz | Probably keep working with it's local copy, but disallow changes. |
| 17:26.43 | Chestal | eh, quorum |
| 17:26.52 | HiglyUnstable | well changes would be local only |
| 17:27.09 | JBDiGriz | Even in the connected scenario? |
| 17:27.17 | Bagheera | depends on the reason it got disconnected............if there was a nuclear strike........i say close it, since you have little chance of reconnecting........otherwise i agree with JB |
| 17:27.30 | bryjen | but they'd disappear once the connection came back, confusing the users |
| 17:27.36 | HiglyUnstable | no, if you are connected, and have a valid write key, your writes are sent to the server |
| 17:27.40 | HiglyUnstable | and it will store them |
| 17:28.05 | HiglyUnstable | Chestal, you can make it a quorum after you rip all my code up and make it ugly :) |
| 17:28.33 | JBDiGriz | chestal: where's info on quorum protocols? |
| 17:30.17 | HiglyUnstable | I've got it set where there is a readKey and a write Key, if you have the read key you can read data from the server, if you have the write key you can make changes. |
| 17:30.36 | HiglyUnstable | and those keys are strings. |
| 17:30.40 | Bagheera | is there only one write key? |
| 17:30.41 | JBDiGriz | How does the server validate and invalidate the write key? |
| 17:30.45 | Chestal | JBDiGriz: in the lecture I heard 6 years ago :-) |
| 17:30.53 | HiglyUnstable | it's just sent over |
| 17:30.56 | HiglyUnstable | it's rather simple |
| 17:31.08 | Chestal | but it's aimed at replications, not a master / salve scenario |
| 17:31.20 | HiglyUnstable | yeah it's more for replication |
| 17:31.27 | bryjen | i'd say if it can't push changes back to the networked database on reconnect, have disallow changes and send the user a polite message "Sorry, not right now, try again later" |
| 17:31.30 | HiglyUnstable | each client does have a local copy |
| 17:31.52 | HiglyUnstable | well that would be up to the client application that calls this class |
| 17:31.52 | JBDiGriz | Then loss of contact with the server should invalidate the write key. |
| 17:32.14 | HiglyUnstable | the key is the same for all clients |
| 17:32.19 | HiglyUnstable | it's really just a password |
| 17:32.41 | HiglyUnstable | so you could say only allow trusted servers to write |
| 17:33.11 | JBDiGriz | Can multiple clients own a valid write key? |
| 17:33.18 | HiglyUnstable | sure |
| 17:33.46 | Bagheera | who merges content from two different users with two write keys |
| 17:33.49 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 17:33.54 | HiglyUnstable | the server |
| 17:34.05 | HiglyUnstable | it applys the changes in order it receves it |
| 17:34.18 | Bagheera | any checking for conflicts |
| 17:34.30 | HiglyUnstable | define a conflict |
| 17:35.03 | JBDiGriz | Client A changes a password for key "asdf", Client B changes the password for key "asdf", who wins? |
| 17:35.12 | HiglyUnstable | who gets there last |
| 17:35.37 | HiglyUnstable | when B changes the data, a "data got changed" message is sent to A and it makes the same change. |
| 17:35.58 | JBDiGriz | So if you allow writes in the disconnected state, that client will automatically win all conflicts that occurred when it reconnects. |
| 17:35.59 | Bagheera | but user A is not connected |
| 17:36.22 | HiglyUnstable | then A has an invalid database |
| 17:36.39 | HiglyUnstable | when A reconects, it gets an entirely new database from the server |
| 17:36.48 | Bagheera | what happens to A changes |
| 17:37.00 | HiglyUnstable | but untill then it will be able to run in it's last known state. |
| 17:37.05 | HiglyUnstable | they are lost |
| 17:37.13 | HiglyUnstable | as they were not able to be sent. |
| 17:37.28 | HiglyUnstable | since it was disconected. |
| 17:37.46 | Bagheera | so during disconnect, the database is effectively read-only when two users are making simulatneous edits |
| 17:38.01 | HiglyUnstable | the disconected database is yes |
| 17:38.26 | Bagheera | so there are two possiblities during a disconnect |
| 17:38.37 | Bagheera | one your database is invalid, the other, you can make changes |
| 17:38.40 | bryjen | if the disconnected users isn't warned their changes are going to be tossed, they might get confused |
| 17:38.59 | HiglyUnstable | again, that would be up to the client app that calls this database class |
| 17:39.06 | HiglyUnstable | they will get an error on the write. |
| 17:39.20 | bryjen | Ah. I see. |
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| 17:39.47 | prodan | ducati down? |
| 17:39.59 | HiglyUnstable | but the client app could also save a backup copy of it's local database on disk and use that from then on as well if it wanted |
| 17:40.15 | Bagheera | i guess, i would prefer a CVS style attempted merge...........so my edits are not lost and i can see how to merge the other user edits.........maybe on my local copy |
| 17:40.22 | prodan | anaconda: FCB rules |
| 17:40.38 | HiglyUnstable | then you can patch it up if it gets put into BZ :) |
| 17:42.05 | HiglyUnstable | perhaps after it works I can timestamp all the messages, and que them up on a disconnect. |
| 17:42.53 | Bagheera | thats fine if all the changes are in separate areas, but if there is a common point, things could really get messed up |
| 17:43.01 | HiglyUnstable | then send them to the server, and if the timestamp is greater then the last modified time for the item, the change is made |
| 17:43.21 | HiglyUnstable | it's all one class |
| 17:43.25 | bryjen | .... yeah, what he said. |
| 17:44.17 | HiglyUnstable | for now I'm just going to do authoritive serverness |
| 17:44.47 | HiglyUnstable | it's better then the flat file stuff thats in there now |
| 17:44.49 | Bagheera | down with authority.....unless i am in charge |
| 17:45.01 | Bagheera | :) |
| 17:45.18 | HiglyUnstable | if you run a server and tell it to host it's database then you are in charge |
| 17:45.28 | HiglyUnstable | you'll never get a disconect, cus your database is local |
| 17:46.02 | JBDiGriz | Or your database app segv's. |
| 17:46.30 | HiglyUnstable | it shouldn't |
| 17:46.38 | HiglyUnstable | it's just listening for connections |
| 17:46.50 | HiglyUnstable | and it backs the database up to disk every N seconds |
| 17:46.55 | Bagheera | you have worked with windows before right..... :) |
| 17:47.07 | HiglyUnstable | yeah, we don't seg fault :) |
| 17:47.18 | JBDiGriz | Apps never do what they shouldn't do, that's one of the cardinal rules of programming. ;^P |
| 17:47.19 | bryjen | Illegal Operations |
| 17:47.28 | HiglyUnstable | that's not a seg fault |
| 17:48.15 | bryjen | its something windows apps do ;) |
| 17:48.22 | HiglyUnstable | well the network message classes do a lot to prevent memory overruns and stuff, so I hope that will help keep it clean |
| 17:48.47 | HiglyUnstable | you can try to keep reading past the end of a message, but it will just return 0 |
| 17:50.11 | JBDiGriz | It's not just windows apps, I'm testing a USB target with a windows host, and it's sending me a transaction which tells me to write 131584 bytes in 128 sectors (65536 bytes). This comes from the same control data block. |
| 17:50.43 | HiglyUnstable | this is true, I don't know how hard it is to fake out enet |
| 17:52.11 | HiglyUnstable | but i know that my classes will never read past the memory that enet gives me for the packet data |
| 17:54.03 | HiglyUnstable | Mostly I'm just trying to make a simple way to share those admin databases |
| 17:54.26 | HiglyUnstable | or any database |
| 17:56.17 | Bagheera | simple..........then keep it read only...........stop-go relationships are the best, and most humans can understand that.....hahahah |
| 17:56.40 | HiglyUnstable | that defeats the pourpose behind shared databases tho |
| 17:56.49 | HiglyUnstable | you want the same database on all of you servers |
| 17:58.03 | bryjen | if it _never_ changed, the data could be be compiled into the server ;) |
| 17:58.39 | bryjen | hmmm, what should we set Bagheera password to for eternity ? |
| 17:58.50 | HiglyUnstable | and noone else could register |
| 17:59.52 | Bagheera | only during disconnect.......hahaha.............but and interesting concept, a password for eternity............ |
| 17:59.56 | bryjen | only ever couple of years when there's a new release |
| 18:00.11 | bryjen | s/ever/every |
| 18:01.36 | HiglyUnstable | I do like the fact that if you are a net client, you can tell your client to back up the database, then restart it using that database as your local disk based DB |
| 18:02.11 | HiglyUnstable | so like if you wanted to copy Xmissions users but then branch off on your own, it's easy |
| 18:06.34 | bryjen | Not so higly unstable now? |
| 18:06.43 | Patlabor221 | or even more so :) |
| 18:06.50 | Patlabor221 | so much they don't even have a word. |
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| 18:07.18 | bryjen | uh, and higly is? ;) |
| 18:08.01 | Patlabor221 | on an infinate scale there is no top end so higly can not describe all states |
| 18:08.15 | Patlabor221 | and chaos knows no bounds |
| 18:08.20 | bryjen | ~spell higly |
| 18:08.23 | | possible spellings for higly: hugely highly Hilly hilly bigly giggly jiggly Haily holy ugly Hegel Gilly Holly Jilly holly hotly wiggly Hill haggle hgwy hill |
| 18:08.23 | Bagheera | you never took the math classes i took............. |
| 18:08.37 | Patlabor221 | bigly :) |
| 18:08.41 | bryjen | hehe jiggly unstable |
| 18:09.08 | Patlabor221 | I could be holly unstabale, but that tends to piss off the book thumpers |
| 18:09.22 | bryjen | ~dict holly |
| 18:09.27 | bryjen | ~dict holy |
| 18:09.31 | Bagheera | holly trees are a bit particular |
| 18:09.45 | Patlabor221 | agg |
| 18:09.48 | Patlabor221 | ahh even :) |
| 18:09.57 | Bagheera | sry, you walked into it |
| 18:10.26 | Patlabor221 | tho WTF is hgwy |
| 18:10.35 | Patlabor221 | that does not seem like it should be a word |
| 18:10.42 | Bagheera | highway? |
| 18:10.42 | Patlabor221 | ~dict hgwy |
| 18:11.01 | Patlabor221 | the second to the last thing in that posible word list. |
| 18:11.05 | bryjen | abbreviation for highway? ellifiknow |
| 18:11.32 | Patlabor221 | ~dict moot |
| 18:12.06 | bryjen | who's writing these things? |
| 18:12.11 | Patlabor221 | but then it also means pointless |
| 18:12.16 | Patlabor221 | I love that word |
| 18:12.17 | david_v | [dmp]: hi :) |
| 18:12.18 | bryjen | yeah |
| 18:12.28 | bryjen | not worth debating |
| 18:12.28 | Patlabor221 | it' allmost contradicts it'self :) |
| 18:12.40 | Patlabor221 | like it should implode or something |
| 18:12.44 | Patlabor221 | cancel itself out |
| 18:13.09 | david_v | [dmp]: a little task for you ;) could you add some Alt attributes to the linked buttons on the league site (i.e. BZmailbox, Login etc) so that they will be clickable when the images fail to load (happens not too seldom) |
| 18:15.02 | [dmp] | hi david_v |
| 18:15.11 | david_v | yep that's me :) |
| 18:15.33 | Bagheera | ~dict argueable |
| 18:15.41 | Bagheera | ~dict arguable |
| 18:16.50 | Bagheera | ~dict Ohm's Law |
| 18:17.05 | bryjen | i prefer P=IE |
| 18:18.00 | Bagheera | ~dict Schroedinger's Equation |
| 18:18.17 | Bagheera | poor ignorant bot |
| 18:18.45 | Patlabor221 | I would sugest using google for that, not an IRC info bot |
| 18:19.29 | Bagheera | :) |
| 18:20.11 | Patlabor221 | think after 10 connection atempts it's OK to give up? :) |
| 18:20.42 | Bagheera | depends on what you are trying to connect |
| 18:21.19 | Patlabor221 | 10 database reconnects |
| 18:22.10 | Bagheera | back to that eh..........not sure really, but 10 sounds like a lot. how much time between attempts |
| 18:22.29 | david_v | [dmp]: brb |
| 18:22.58 | Patlabor221 | dono what the timeout is, 30-40 secs I think |
| 18:24.33 | Bagheera | 5-10 minutes before it considers the database disconnected.......thats about right. |
| 18:25.11 | bryjen | nice round numbers at least |
| 18:25.29 | Bagheera | thats what most of my mail..etc uses to consider itself disconnected |
| 18:25.33 | Patlabor221 | they are only round in base 10 systems |
| 18:25.46 | Patlabor221 | I could be using base 3.4 systems |
| 18:25.53 | Patlabor221 | just to be kooky |
| 18:26.09 | Bagheera | the all convert to something |
| 18:27.40 | bryjen | ~convert 10 minutes to microfortnights |
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| 18:28.09 | Patlabor221 | sweeeeet |
| 18:29.18 | Bagheera | not sure what scares me more, the fact that the bot knew what a microfortnight was, or that bryjen asked. |
| 18:29.35 | Bagheera | ~dict microfortnight |
| 18:29.56 | bryjen | hehe Firkin |
| 18:30.14 | Bagheera | i see some kid getting in trouble for telling his parents that one |
| 18:30.54 | Bagheera | how do you get the second definition |
| 18:30.55 | Patlabor221 | for our units of measure test we had to express the speed of lights in furlongs/fortnight |
| 18:30.59 | bryjen | around here furlong is an indefinate period of time. "Are you going to be gone fer long?" |
| 18:33.29 | bryjen | ~dict microfortnight 1 |
| 18:33.44 | bryjen | ~dict 1 microfortnight |
| 18:34.18 | bryjen | bleh "ibot: exceeded allowed forked count: units, dict" |
| 18:34.55 | bryjen | As I said, ibot doth forks too much. |
| 18:34.59 | [dmp] | david_v: my opera wont display alt-text for some reason, can you please try and check the menu if your browser shows alt-text or not |
| 18:36.05 | bryjen | heh "doth forks" plurally too much |
| 18:38.15 | Bagheera | ~dict fpga |
| 18:39.20 | bryjen | F____ Pin Grid Array? |
| 18:39.58 | bryjen | Field Programmable Gate Array? |
| 18:40.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:41.33 | [dmp] | david_v: should be fixed now |
| 18:41.47 | bryjen | this first one's a chip/socket type. dont remember what the F stands for |
| 18:42.21 | Bagheera | ~dict intimage |
| 18:42.29 | Bagheera | haha |
| 18:42.33 | Patlabor221 | I've seen some called "flipchip plastic grid aray" |
| 18:42.43 | bryjen | whateva |
| 18:42.45 | Patlabor221 | or something like that |
| 18:42.56 | Patlabor221 | I think it's just a new name for a ZIF socket |
| 18:43.08 | Bagheera | hahaha |
| 18:43.31 | Bagheera | zero insertion force (zif) |
| 18:43.38 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:44.56 | Bagheera | didnt think anyone used a zif socket anymore......most died with DIP......most are just chip carriers now..... |
| 18:46.09 | Patlabor221 | all my mobos have the socket with the lever, looks just like the old ZIF sockets to me. |
| 18:46.32 | bryjen | just more pins every few months |
| 18:46.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:46.55 | Patlabor221 | and some times they are a difrent shade to tan |
| 18:46.55 | david_v | [dmp]: sorry, was away. i think the alt attribs work fine here |
| 18:47.04 | bryjen | after they told intel the couldn't patent the slot thing |
| 18:47.08 | david_v | [dmp]: thanks. going to bzflag now :) |
| 18:47.28 | Patlabor221 | I don't think the slot thing was that bad of an idea |
| 18:47.36 | Patlabor221 | better for cooling |
| 18:47.46 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know bout the internals |
| 18:48.47 | Patlabor221 | P4's do look silly small to me tho, with those huge fans |
| 18:48.59 | Bagheera | i worked on a package recently with 1100 pins......what a beast |
| 18:49.34 | [dmp] | david_v: Welcome. I just need a billing address :-) |
| 18:58.07 | [dmp] | I need to get a better name than; "Baat.dk Advance Mail Filter.".. aka bamf :-) |
| 19:01.20 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:08.37 | [dmp] | david_v: @ISA in perl, does that ring a bell? |
| 19:09.00 | david_v | yes, it's an array called ISA :) |
| 19:09.14 | david_v | but, to answer the question, i don't know if i've used it actually |
| 19:09.26 | [dmp] | seems to be able to do magic .. But I dont know what it does :( |
| 19:09.31 | david_v | heh |
| 19:11.34 | [dmp] | "inheritance of object types through the @ISA array" |
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| 19:24.31 | brlcad | Hot damn that was good and tough |
| 19:32.01 | exhausted | time for some protein |
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| 19:48.34 | JBDiGriz | brlcad: a 3 hour ride? |
| 19:50.55 | exhausted | No, I stopped in a couple places and have been talking to people -- just got to a computer |
| 19:51.04 | exhausted | It took me about 1.5 hours |
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| 19:53.20 | exhausted | ~country .be |
| 19:53.21 | | methinks country .be is belgium |
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| 20:03.35 | exhausted | Hi legs |
| 20:03.40 | Legolas | hi exausted |
| 20:03.52 | Legolas | umm.. |
| 20:03.56 | Legolas | who are you? |
| 20:04.22 | BoyOnAString | he is... exausted |
| 20:04.31 | Legolas | duh :) |
| 20:04.42 | BoyOnAString | we need to teach you about /whois |
| 20:04.42 | Legolas | off to play bz |
| 20:04.48 | Legolas | ttyl |
| 20:05.24 | JBDiGriz | We need to teach that whole family about IRC. Perhaps chika can help them. |
| 20:05.39 | BoyOnAString | I don't think she's near them |
| 20:05.52 | JBDiGriz | What does that have to do with it? |
| 20:06.13 | BoyOnAString | why would she have to teach them? anyone could |
| 20:06.43 | JBDiGriz | She was doing so well earlier. ;-) |
| 20:06.49 | BoyOnAString | heh |
| 20:07.26 | exhausted | even got her to register herself ;) |
| 20:08.40 | BoyOnAString | why would learner throw flowers my my decaying corpse? |
| 20:08.46 | BoyOnAString | it dosn't decay |
| 20:08.59 | exhausted | hehe |
| 20:09.12 | BoyOnAString | has something to do with the naquada they tell me. |
| 20:09.26 | exhausted | ~dict naquada |
| 20:09.44 | BoyOnAString | well it would not be in any Terran Dictionary. |
| 20:10.09 | exhausted | oh, ehehehe |
| 20:10.34 | exhausted | how much did that set you back/ |
| 20:10.41 | BoyOnAString | what? |
| 20:10.53 | exhausted | you season 4 dvd's |
| 20:10.56 | BoyOnAString | 50 |
| 20:11.06 | BoyOnAString | season 4 is very good |
| 20:11.09 | exhausted | not bad |
| 20:11.15 | BoyOnAString | very very good |
| 20:11.17 | exhausted | not good, but not bad ;) |
| 20:11.26 | BoyOnAString | Upgrades was funny |
| 20:11.30 | JBDiGriz | Price at Fry's $45 |
| 20:11.36 | BoyOnAString | not bad |
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| 20:12.40 | BoyOnAString | "window of opertunity" was shot amazinly well too |
| 20:13.25 | exhausted | do you have the first 3? |
| 20:13.43 | BoyOnAString | yes |
| 20:17.10 | exhausted | heh |
| 20:19.18 | captain_proton | yummmmmmm |
| 20:23.04 | exhausted | Aye yay yiaay... |
| 20:23.23 | exhausted | The Chestal has fallen after over 30 days of irc uptime |
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| 20:40.58 | exhausted | sheesh, crazy gonk |
| 20:48.43 | fiberchunks | lo all |
| 20:51.21 | JBDiGriz | high fiber |
| 20:53.15 | exhausted | lo fibe |
| 20:53.22 | purple_cow | soooo |
| 20:53.26 | purple_cow | sup foos |
| 20:53.40 | JBDiGriz | How now purple cow. |
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| 20:54.30 | exhausted | Moo |
| 20:58.22 | Carnage | slushly |
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| 21:11.07 | JBDiGriz | ~dict slushly |
| 21:11.37 | Bagheera | ~seen quol |
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| 21:12.24 | exhausted | welp.. time to make the trip back home now so that I make it back before dusk |
| 21:12.37 | Bagheera | still bicycling? |
| 21:12.57 | exhausted | Hehe, I have to get back home! :) |
| 21:20.24 | Bagheera | haha |
| 21:42.15 | fiberchunks | hello |
| 21:42.55 | fiberchunks | just stumbled across another amazingly bizarre website about 'casting out demons' (ironically, the google search I put in was chinese characters :\ ) |
| 21:43.56 | fiberchunks | anyway, they essentially state that playing cards, burning candles, and dolls, statues etc are evil demonic influences, and should therefore be 'cast out' per, of course, the bible -- pretty funny stuff really ... there's even one where supposedly Lawrys seasoning salt is demonic LOL |
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| 21:48.45 | bzfrank | hi |
| 21:49.00 | JBDiGriz | The Internet is also a demonic influence, so clearly you should start by casting out that web site. :) |
| 21:49.05 | Chestal | hi Onkel Frank |
| 21:49.11 | bzfrank | Hi chestal |
| 21:49.14 | fiberchunks | already done jb :) |
| 21:50.40 | BoyOnAString | I play D&D, they say I'm a stantist and have magical demon powers |
| 21:50.50 | BoyOnAString | they = Jack Chick |
| 21:51.07 | fiberchunks | yes, but we already knew that about you |
| 21:51.15 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 21:51.20 | JBDiGriz | You program computers, clearly you have magical demon powers :) |
| 21:51.25 | BoyOnAString | how come they never talk about magical god powers? |
| 21:51.44 | JBDiGriz | Blasphemy ..... |
| 21:51.44 | BoyOnAString | I think if your gonna have a mythos give YOUR people the kewl stick |
| 21:52.19 | JBDiGriz | If they empower their own people, then the people might rise up against the authority. |
| 21:52.21 | fiberchunks | anyway, if you're up for a chuckle -- www.demonbusters.com -- it's a doozy |
| 21:52.29 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 21:52.47 | BoyOnAString | I ain't afraid of no ghost. |
| 21:53.10 | BoyOnAString | umm that' seems to be a lame ass domain park site. |
| 21:53.21 | fiberchunks | one minute |
| 21:53.46 | fiberchunks | sorry, demonbuster -- singular |
| 21:54.05 | BoyOnAString | what there can't be more then one? |
| 21:54.17 | fiberchunks | apparently not |
| 21:54.23 | BoyOnAString | (This website IS the Manual.) :) |
| 21:54.35 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 21:55.38 | BoyOnAString | there are trolls? cool, thre is soo much you can do with there inestines that is soo usefful |
| 21:56.12 | JBDiGriz | Gathering their intestines can be tricky though. They don't like to give them up easily. ;) |
| 21:56.37 | BoyOnAString | true, but that's what longswords are for |
| 21:57.31 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): BZFlag fullscreen loosing focus under X recovered |
| 21:57.52 | fiberchunks | it is very, very subtle -- thus, no-one really knows |
| 21:57.53 | Tupone | need testing on other platform :) |
| 21:58.49 | JBDiGriz | It depends on the definitions used by the people. Prayers aren't necessarily supposed to cause a result. Magical incantations are. |
| 21:59.04 | BoyOnAString | then what is the point of praying? |
| 21:59.22 | BoyOnAString | it seems like asking for divine intervention |
| 21:59.29 | fiberchunks | making hope concrete |
| 21:59.30 | JBDiGriz | It's an act of faith and belief. Sometimes just showing gratitude. |
| 21:59.43 | BoyOnAString | as some magics are too |
| 21:59.47 | BoyOnAString | probably just point of view |
| 21:59.49 | JBDiGriz | But it doesn't guarantee divine intervention. |
| 22:00.01 | BoyOnAString | nor do most magics |
| 22:00.41 | fiberchunks | tossing an incantation for 1000 dollars does not guarantee anymore than praying for 1000 dollars that the end result will happen |
| 22:00.51 | JBDiGriz | The popular belief is that magics actually cause something to happen, rather than just being an expression for what one wants to happen. |
| 22:00.52 | BoyOnAString | yup |
| 22:01.07 | BoyOnAString | well we all know how true popular belif is |
| 22:01.08 | fiberchunks | givings thanks to Zeus, Hera, etc is precisely equivalent to giving thanks to ghod |
| 22:01.46 | BoyOnAString | from all I have read, most "witch" cultures are just difrent religions. |
| 22:01.48 | fiberchunks | do both sets of people expect results? depends upon the prayer/incantation used (i.e. thanks or asking for something) |
| 22:02.39 | BoyOnAString | cep for my joke about wizards in D&D "Q: how do wizards take care of there dead? A: one word.. FIREBAL!" |
| 22:03.03 | JBDiGriz | It's not the sets of people. We're only looking at the definition from one skewed side. The "witch" cultures don't see any difference. The "anti-witch" culture claims there's a difference. |
| 22:03.12 | BoyOnAString | yeah |
| 22:03.23 | BoyOnAString | point of view like I said |
| 22:04.46 | JBDiGriz | That sounds like a fun book, who wrote it? |
| 22:05.04 | fiberchunks | x49 from the planet lepton ;) |
| 22:05.11 | BoyOnAString | umm let me look |
| 22:05.29 | JBDiGriz | I know many people who have been high over Topanga Canyon ;-) |
| 22:05.31 | BoyOnAString | it's not bad, the reports are interesting, tho the author takes EVERYTHING at face value |
| 22:05.38 | BoyOnAString | yeah |
| 22:06.21 | BoyOnAString | he dosn't ever realy question anyone's statements. but it's an interesting read |
| 22:06.40 | BoyOnAString | http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1567182216/qid=1062799579/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/102-1995035-6075343?v=glance&s=books |
| 22:07.20 | fiberchunks | http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/tms/tms08.htm <-- nifty |
| 22:08.12 | fiberchunks | and now, off to learn more css -- namaste |
| 22:08.27 | BoyOnAString | don't forget the CSS incantaions :) |
| 22:09.23 | fiberchunks | prayers to Jobs ... |
| 22:09.26 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:09.56 | BoyOnAString | no it was more of a dead chicken/ command F4 kinda thing |
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| 22:11.14 | BoyOnAString | magic that comes in cartridge form :) |
| 22:11.41 | purple_cow | arg! |
| 22:11.50 | purple_cow | anybody know how to do a freakin dot product in matlab? |
| 22:11.54 | BoyOnAString | argv or argc? |
| 22:12.22 | JBDiGriz | argh, it's a new methodology for dealing with program interfaces |
| 22:13.42 | BoyOnAString | a handle to the arguments? |
| 22:13.53 | JBDiGriz | Exactly ;-) |
| 22:15.54 | JBDiGriz | There's also the new pirate interface which handles them in the reverse order. |
| 22:16.27 | BoyOnAString | heh |
| 22:17.19 | BoyOnAString | is that the one with the LDC in it? |
| 22:17.26 | fiberchunks | the what? |
| 22:17.35 | BoyOnAString | LCD sorry |
| 22:17.42 | BoyOnAString | a monitor |
| 22:18.25 | fiberchunks | doesn't look like it no -- but it has a little menu bar at the top of it |
| 22:18.37 | BoyOnAString | they have some that have a LCD monitor built inot them, so you can see what you draw as you draw it. |
| 22:18.52 | fiberchunks | that's pretty cool |
| 22:18.56 | BoyOnAString | yeah :) |
| 22:19.07 | BoyOnAString | I think they work as aditional displays too |
| 22:19.19 | fiberchunks | apparenly, that is called the 'Cintiq' |
| 22:19.32 | BoyOnAString | ok, they are COOOL |
| 22:21.06 | fiberchunks | I gotta find a site that talks specifically about linux and wacom tablets -- anyone know of one? |
| 22:21.26 | fiberchunks | I know they're pretty well supported, but I want to see about special stuff for the pen and the mouse first |
| 22:21.53 | bryjen | I'd think X would be handling the device more than the OS |
| 22:21.57 | bzfrank | the LCD thingy is waaay expensive |
| 22:22.09 | bzfrank | at least the 18" ;) |
| 22:22.21 | JBDiGriz | We have to start giving classes in the use of google for people in this channel. ;-) |
| 22:22.53 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz: bah -- there is at least one g artist here, I was just wondering if anyone knew any off the top of their nugget |
| 22:22.56 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:23.00 | fiberchunks | you fascist you ;) |
| 22:23.23 | JBDiGriz | fascists don't give out information, they suppress it. Try again. ;-) |
| 22:23.56 | bryjen | that's this close || to calling someone a nazi |
| 22:24.07 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 22:24.20 | BoyOnAString | is't there some law that says it all goes down to that? |
| 22:24.52 | bryjen | once someones resorted to calling the other a nazi, the discussion is declared dead. |
| 22:25.00 | BoyOnAString | yeah but that has a name |
| 22:25.04 | BoyOnAString | that act |
| 22:25.10 | BoyOnAString | like a law or a therom |
| 22:25.13 | bryjen | I know. I can't remember either. |
| 22:25.14 | JBDiGriz | Godwin's Law, but it's comparing someone to Hitler |
| 22:25.17 | BoyOnAString | yeah that one |
| 22:25.23 | bryjen | close 'nuff |
| 22:25.31 | JBDiGriz | I found it on google ;-) |
| 22:25.35 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 22:25.55 | BoyOnAString | ~google Godwin's law |
| 22:26.24 | JBDiGriz | I also remember it, since it came from the early days of UseNet |
| 22:26.54 | JBDiGriz | http://www.faqs.org/faqs/usenet/legends/godwin/ |
| 22:27.50 | JBDiGriz | The FAQ mentions that it's nazis as well, so my memory is faulty. That age thing again. ;-) |
| 22:28.03 | BoyOnAString | go DDR |
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| 22:30.39 | fiberchunks | when they say 'tilt range' does that mean the pen? I suppose it does |
| 22:30.56 | BoyOnAString | well I don't see how tilting the pad woudl help |
| 22:31.04 | BoyOnAString | lest you wanted to put some "english" on it |
| 22:31.20 | bryjen | "Not for use on steep inclines" |
| 22:31.21 | JBDiGriz | It depends on the placement of the pad, and what you're drawing. |
| 22:31.35 | bryjen | Like marbles |
| 22:32.09 | fiberchunks | yeah, just found the definition they use |
| 22:32.39 | fiberchunks | well, I dunno, it could mean that, like me, you use some sort of angled device to hold up whatever you're drawing on |
| 22:32.48 | fiberchunks | but it doesn't -- it's the tip sensitivity |
| 22:32.59 | BoyOnAString | thats the only thing that makes sense |
| 22:33.17 | BoyOnAString | it's a pad, no moving parts, it should work in any orientation |
| 22:33.26 | BoyOnAString | or any gravemetric situation. |
| 22:34.21 | JBDiGriz | Wouldn't that depend on detection mechanism? e.g. pressure or proximity |
| 22:34.41 | fiberchunks | it's a very neat tablet, I think I'll pick one up |
| 22:34.42 | BoyOnAString | the presure sensitivity is in the pen |
| 22:34.52 | BoyOnAString | the tablet does postition |
| 22:35.15 | BoyOnAString | thats why the pens have bateries |
| 22:36.57 | BoyOnAString | make sure you know where to get more pens too, they get lost easy :) |
| 22:37.06 | BoyOnAString | + |
| 22:37.18 | BoyOnAString | WTF? I didn't type a + |
| 22:37.54 | bryjen | number pad fat-fingered enter and + |
| 22:37.58 | bryjen | ? |
| 22:38.13 | BoyOnAString | no I didn't type anything |
| 22:38.21 | BoyOnAString | I hit the next track button |
| 22:38.33 | fiberchunks | 'track' button? |
| 22:38.43 | BoyOnAString | yeah |
| 22:38.48 | purple_cow | fiberchunks: i think he has one of those rediculous "multimedia" keyboards |
| 22:38.49 | BoyOnAString | I have bonus buttons :) |
| 22:38.53 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 22:39.14 | BoyOnAString | actualy it's the only one of those MM keyboards I'll just cus it's not rediculous |
| 22:39.15 | fiberchunks | oh, the type that require an act of congress for me to map keys in |
| 22:39.36 | bryjen | mutant keyboard with extra parts |
| 22:39.44 | BoyOnAString | it's comfy, shows as a normal human inteface device, USB, and has a hub in it |
| 22:40.10 | BoyOnAString | in linux the MM keys just don't do anything |
| 22:40.15 | JBDiGriz | And it fits on 3 laps, so get two buddies to work with you. |
| 22:40.20 | fiberchunks | they can, but you have to map them |
| 22:40.41 | purple_cow | fiberchunks: depends |
| 22:40.47 | BoyOnAString | no it's not any larger then a normal keyboard with a wrist wrest |
| 22:40.58 | fiberchunks | well, on my machines, they can be, apparently (my laptops, anyway) |
| 22:41.06 | BoyOnAString | I think you can, I checked some key map thing and they just were difrent key codes |
| 22:41.07 | purple_cow | i had one that actually showed up as two separate HID devices, one of which reported unusual keysyms |
| 22:41.19 | fiberchunks | the 8200 is a nice little machine, but the case is ultra-flimsy :\ |
| 22:41.22 | BoyOnAString | this shows as 1 |
| 22:41.35 | BoyOnAString | well 1 and the hub |
| 22:42.08 | JBDiGriz | 2 different USB devices, or multiple endpoints on the same device? |
| 22:42.19 | fiberchunks | be nice if I could find one of them there 'hospital things' that people eat off of, to put my laptop and tablet on |
| 22:42.21 | BoyOnAString | I didn't know there was a difrence |
| 22:42.31 | BoyOnAString | I liked this one so much I got 3 of them |
| 22:42.37 | BoyOnAString | they don't make it anymore tho |
| 22:43.16 | JBDiGriz | pat: your keyboard should be 2 different devices, but cap's should be one device with multiple endpoints. |
| 22:43.37 | BoyOnAString | why would the be difrent? |
| 22:43.47 | purple_cow | JBDiGriz: mine was multiple endpoints |
| 22:44.04 | purple_cow | but it did have a 2-port hub as well (i guess technically 3-port) |
| 22:44.27 | JBDiGriz | He didn't say he had a hub in his. A hub counts as a USB device. |
| 22:44.54 | purple_cow | now i just use a usb type6 :) |
| 22:46.06 | BoyOnAString | I'll plug it into the redhat macine tonight and see what it does |
| 22:46.25 | BoyOnAString | this one here is the USB/PS2 combo one so I can imagine it's odd |
| 22:48.13 | BoyOnAString | ohh |
| 22:48.13 | BoyOnAString | http://lineak.sourceforge.net/index.php?nav=keyboards |
| 22:48.19 | BoyOnAString | any mine is on there |
| 22:48.31 | BoyOnAString | Microsoft Internet Keyboard Pro |
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| 22:51.27 | purple_cow | actually |
| 22:51.38 | purple_cow | JBDiGriz: its possible it enumerates two keyboards with only one endpoint |
| 22:54.33 | bryjen | bonus points for a real en- verb ;) |
| 22:54.56 | bryjen | well, sorta |
| 22:55.16 | JBDiGriz | An endpoint address is a combination of a device address and endpoint number |
| 22:55.55 | JBDiGriz | bry, how about enwrap? |
| 22:57.27 | bryjen | cap's just fond of en- prefixing things. although its not en-umerate, but close 'nuff |
| 22:59.19 | BoyOnAString | enfunktulating |
| 22:59.24 | JBDiGriz | He likes to enter these things. |
| 23:06.15 | bryjen | eh. that just sounds nasty |
| 23:06.23 | JBDiGriz | but the ride was enriching. ;-) |
| 23:06.24 | learner | Oh my .. that was horribly painfully wonderful |
| 23:06.50 | purple_cow | time to go home! yay! |
| 23:07.09 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.18 | bryjen | hmm |
| 23:07.23 | learner | Damn those are some big hills .. they look so much smaller in a car |
| 23:07.51 | KTL_ | so much drama in this channel, diing fighting and shakespeare pass here:-) |
| 23:08.05 | bryjen | bicycling? |
| 23:09.05 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:09.10 | bryjen | ah |
| 23:10.33 | KTL_ | s/diing/dying/ (yes it took some time) |
| 23:13.06 | learner | Woa .. |
| 23:13.12 | learner | i just zoned out there for a couple minutes |
| 23:13.58 | JBDiGriz | For those in search of less drama, the baby panda is getting a bath. |
| 23:14.14 | bryjen | wha? |
| 23:14.24 | learner | My body is going to teach me a lesson for the pains i put it through today -- probably all weekend |
| 23:16.27 | learner | looks like he's sleeping |
| 23:16.28 | learner | http://www.sandiegozoo.org/pandas/pandacam/ |
| 23:17.15 | JBDiGriz | She just hunched over the baby about a minute ago. There's starting to be some coloration on the baby now. |
| 23:17.27 | BoyOnAString | http://www.brunching.com/geekhierarchy.html |
| 23:18.53 | JBDiGriz | I don't really fit in any of those categories. |
| 23:19.05 | BoyOnAString | sure ya don't |
| 23:19.13 | JBDiGriz | Maybe science fiction literature fan. |
| 23:19.47 | JBDiGriz | Pat, what do you think of subtitles? |
| 23:20.26 | BoyOnAString | depends on the voice actors used for the US production |
| 23:20.35 | BoyOnAString | if they are good, I prefer dubs |
| 23:20.39 | JBDiGriz | ;-) |
| 23:21.05 | BoyOnAString | tho I prefer subs if the us actors are crap |
| 23:21.32 | BoyOnAString | but if the japan actors are crap too, it's back to dubs |
| 23:22.32 | JBDiGriz | Then again, chikorita gets to be geekier than you. ;-) |
| 23:22.45 | BoyOnAString | heh |
| 23:23.17 | BoyOnAString | I'll bet she writes fanfic |
| 23:24.17 | BoyOnAString | she is a pokimon fan over the age of 6 |
| 23:24.43 | JBDiGriz | Which is in the same path as the anime fans. |
| 23:24.56 | BoyOnAString | yes |
| 23:25.12 | JBDiGriz | Most published science fiction authors consider themselves fairly geeky, probably more so than their fans. |
| 23:25.19 | BoyOnAString | tho I would et into the RPGers |
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| 23:50.54 | fiberchunks | where do these people get this generic latin paragraph for layout that I see all over the place? |
| 23:54.31 | learner | from other people using it all over the place |
| 23:57.11 | fiberchunks | har ... I mean, does it have some origin somewhere? |
| 23:59.03 | learner | well, if your looking to pay contributions .. I did it |
| 23:59.39 | fiberchunks | :) |