| 00:00.02 | tea|tree_ | hey all |
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| 00:00.19 | tea|tree_ | in 2 hours im going on vacation |
| 00:00.45 | quol_vacation | hello T - where are you going on vacation? |
| 00:01.01 | quol_vacation | Spiff - where abouts are you moving again> |
| 00:01.27 | fiberchunks__ | quol_vacation: I got a couple of questions for ya when you get back :) |
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| 00:02.58 | Quol_AtWork | got disconnected there... |
| 00:06.21 | patlabor221 | Tea perhaps you should try decaf? :) |
| 00:07.36 | BZSpiff | Hmm. |
| 00:11.48 | BZSpiff | Nah. He should block all of the TAF members.. every time we ask his team for a match they get scared. ;-) LoL |
| 00:11.53 | BZSpiff | J/k tea. :-D |
| 00:16.24 | BZSpiff | Dinner calls. C-ya soon. |
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| 00:28.03 | fiberchunks | sorry bout that pat, running back and forth between my old man and my house |
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| 00:29.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 00:34.36 | fiberchunks | allo, Patlabor221, sorry bout the sudden part, but I'm running bet. dad's and my house right now |
| 01:02.03 | tea|tree_ | <patlabor221> Tea perhaps you should try decaf? <-- dont understand that |
| 01:02.46 | tea|tree_ | Patlabor221? |
| 01:09.26 | Patlabor221 | hi |
| 01:09.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh I left too t go home |
| 01:09.46 | Patlabor221 | ohh it was a joke tea |
| 01:09.54 | Patlabor221 | decafinated cofie :) |
| 01:13.32 | Tupone | bzdb does not work on forked program :) |
| 01:13.56 | Tupone | audio handler is !! |
| 01:16.11 | Tupone | ~seen MAC |
| 01:16.11 | | Tupone: i haven't seen 'mac' |
| 01:16.23 | Tupone | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 01:16.23 | | mrapathycream <MAC@balt-209-163-100-38.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 18h 51m 26s ago, saying: 'ok'. |
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| 01:29.24 | BZSpiff | Hmm Patlabor? :-) |
| 01:29.45 | Patlabor221 | dune |
| 01:29.45 | Patlabor221 | you know |
| 01:29.48 | Patlabor221 | frank herbert |
| 01:33.47 | BZSpiff | Ahh. Ic Ic... not. :-) |
| 01:33.50 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 01:34.47 | Patlabor221 | it is a set of books |
| 01:34.58 | Patlabor221 | tho this is a movie |
| 01:36.00 | BZSpiff | Ahhh. Okies. I've heard of that.. :-) |
| 01:36.07 | BZSpiff | Actually.. I played the ollllllld computer game once. |
| 01:36.10 | BZSpiff | It was pretty fun. |
| 01:36.34 | Patlabor221 | yes it was the first popular RTS game |
| 01:36.43 | BZSpiff | RtS? |
| 01:36.47 | BZSpiff | RTS^ |
| 01:37.02 | Patlabor221 | Real Time Strategy |
| 01:37.06 | Patlabor221 | like warcraft |
| 01:37.29 | BZSpiff | Ahh yes. :-) |
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| 01:45.57 | BZSpiff | ~seen Dervish Dukot |
| 01:45.57 | | i haven't seen 'dervish dukot', BZSpiff |
| 01:46.04 | BZSpiff | ~seen Dervish DuKot |
| 01:46.04 | | BZSpiff: i haven't seen 'dervish dukot' |
| 01:46.09 | BZSpiff | Hmmph. |
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| 01:54.41 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Burrowed tanks can't SR other Burrowed tanks |
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| 03:07.55 | SGI | hello |
| 03:08.09 | SGI | hi DTR |
| 03:08.15 | SGI | have you my email |
| 03:16.15 | fiberchunks_ | oi |
| 03:17.27 | learner | i have a hopefully good dvd to watch, a load of way too much chinese food, and a beer |
| 03:17.41 | DTRemenak | SGI: yes, I got the mail :) |
| 03:17.44 | learner | and MOST importantly, I have my new bike :) |
| 03:18.08 | learner | oh, and my new video card.. |
| 03:18.23 | learner | shame that doesn't all counter the horrible day at work... |
| 03:18.54 | DTRemenak | SGI: Sorry about the 10 minute response lag, I hadn't yet set up stalking on this client |
| 03:19.14 | SGI | no prob |
| 03:19.26 | SGI | wiyh the file |
| 03:19.30 | SGI | with |
| 03:19.55 | SGI | 168kb....... |
| 03:19.58 | DTRemenak | It's still downloading :/ |
| 03:20.03 | SGI | dial |
| 03:20.10 | DTRemenak | yeah |
| 03:20.26 | SGI | how is the size of bzfsgui |
| 03:20.38 | DTRemenak | yup |
| 03:20.52 | learner | chestal awake? |
| 03:21.03 | DTRemenak | SGI: which part? |
| 03:21.31 | SGI | compressed |
| 03:21.53 | SGI | ready to download |
| 03:22.32 | DTRemenak | It's much better now than with VB's crappy installer thingy |
| 03:23.19 | SGI | I received your email |
| 03:24.28 | SGI | dont worry write what you want ...you can delete the first line if you want |
| 03:25.10 | SGI | btw I have an idea for the new one |
| 03:25.20 | DTRemenak | May as well give NSIS some credit too :) |
| 03:25.45 | SGI | if you looking on the bottom of yhe installer still the name |
| 03:26.06 | DTRemenak | cool...ideas are good :) |
| 03:26.30 | SGI | I keep working in the installer if you want |
| 03:27.16 | SGI | I like the idea to keep/remove...probably i can |
| 03:27.47 | DTRemenak | That would be awesome |
| 03:28.10 | SGI | no bugs right now |
| 03:28.18 | DTRemenak | I dunno if I'm just dreaming about the option to keep or remove or if it's actually possible...but if it's possible, it would be really nice |
| 03:28.31 | SGI | you want zip the file |
| 03:28.35 | SGI | more |
| 03:29.17 | SGI | im going to see if i can right now |
| 03:29.20 | DTRemenak | hm? |
| 03:30.43 | SGI | what you think |
| 03:32.19 | DTRemenak | it's still at 156K d/led |
| 03:32.35 | DTRemenak | it stalled twice at 111K, gotta love that Yahoo |
| 03:33.12 | SGI | 13kb |
| 03:33.54 | DTRemenak | I do believe it stalled again. Dammit. |
| 03:34.36 | SGI | its too big??? |
| 03:34.51 | fiberchunks_ | learner what was that about earlier today? |
| 03:35.35 | DTRemenak | SGI: no, I don't think so |
| 03:35.49 | DTRemenak | I think it's just yahoo being either cheesy or overloaded or both |
| 03:38.22 | SGI | I have a cd.........I can send to you with a pigeon |
| 03:38.39 | DTRemenak | got a big enough pigeon? |
| 03:39.25 | SGI | 200lbs |
| 03:40.28 | SGI | yes we can have a uninstall option |
| 03:40.49 | DTRemenak | Oh, how cool! |
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| 03:49.46 | learner | bad day fiber -- seriously bad day at work |
| 03:51.14 | fiberchunks_ | wha happened? |
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| 03:51.26 | DTRemenak | If a new bike and a new video card can't fix it, it must be bad :) |
| 03:51.43 | SGI | how is going |
| 03:52.15 | DTRemenak | The seventh try failed :/ I'm gonna try logging out, and back in, and see if it lets me then |
| 03:53.08 | SGI | turn off |
| 03:53.12 | SGI | all |
| 03:54.43 | DTRemenak | SGI: the download and IRC are the only traffic :) |
| 03:59.55 | SGI | we are close to have the option |
| 04:00.04 | SGI | keep the ini file |
| 04:27.16 | BZSpiff | So... when is this room actually *alive*? |
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| 04:40.52 | learner | BZSpiff, right about when you leave :) |
| 04:41.05 | learner | hurry up man! we're getting impatient :) |
| 04:57.46 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 05:10.21 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 05:10.38 | BZSpiff | That's the next thing to grave robbery. ;-) |
| 06:09.27 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files in 2 dirs): Don't allow setting non player ids as recipients |
| 06:28.21 | BZSpiff | Laterz all. |
| 06:43.57 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Autopilot weaves towards his opponent, now |
| 07:07.42 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): Roger isn't afraid to shoot anymore |
| 07:27.00 | MrApathyCream | arg, for some reason Roger likes to drive his tank to the NAN position :( |
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| 07:54.46 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): poor roger, likes to drive to NAN, help him please |
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| 09:56.24 | Tupone | ~seen MrApathyCream |
| 09:56.25 | | mrapathycream <MAC@balt-209-163-100-156.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 29m 25s ago, saying: 'arg, for some reason Roger likes to drive his tank to the NAN position :('. |
| 11:22.48 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (sound.cxx): tempFix: no bzdb access from here, so replaced tankRadius with fixed value |
| 11:51.19 | Chestal | tag |
| 11:56.59 | Tupone | guten tag |
| 11:57.24 | Tupone | I fixed that sound problem! Temporary |
| 11:57.46 | Tupone | sound is forked! So bzdb is not accessible |
| 11:58.41 | Tupone | Chestal: you got? |
| 12:00.15 | Chestal | hmm, not quite. I know that sound is handled in a thread of its own? |
| 12:00.36 | Tupone | It is a forked process. It communicate via file |
| 12:00.53 | Chestal | eh, via file? |
| 12:01.01 | Tupone | BZDB structure is in the memory of both. But is updated on the father |
| 12:01.08 | Tupone | via pipe |
| 12:01.32 | Tupone | in Linux for sure! |
| 12:02.22 | Chestal | ah, didn#t know that it was a fork, thought it was only a thread |
| 12:02.50 | Tupone | If you see LinuxMedia.cxx you see a fork! Can be in other platform is different |
| 12:04.31 | Tupone | I wanted to replace audio with SDL. It is handled has a pthread or clone |
| 12:04.35 | Tupone | That is already on the SF patches. |
| 12:04.42 | Chestal | hmm, I don't see the commits on the mailing list |
| 12:05.16 | Tupone | I did at 13:22 on sound.cxx |
| 12:05.32 | Tupone | CIA ack |
| 12:06.13 | Chestal | yes, I see CIA here, but mails didn't work, hmm |
| 12:06.26 | Chestal | same for MAC's commits |
| 12:08.05 | Chestal | I'll update and try it |
| 12:08.20 | Chestal | I don't see why -ffast-math would make a difference, though? |
| 12:08.46 | Tupone | What happens is that tank_radius returned a nan |
| 12:09.13 | Tupone | So I suppose math is different for a nan |
| 12:10.01 | Tupone | And now other tank explosion are there! It is used to attenuate far sound |
| 12:12.23 | Chestal | I'd fuess that changign tank radius is not somethign that woudl work very well anyway |
| 12:12.56 | Tupone | But is just a matter of far sound. I wrote a temp fix :) |
| 12:13.22 | Tupone | We could remove the fork (if we can) or pass a new sound command!! |
| 12:19.44 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): sound is fixed |
| 12:21.19 | Chestal | good work, I'd assume that it was hard to find |
| 12:21.47 | Tupone | I try dicothomy from 1-aug to 30-Aug |
| 12:22.03 | Tupone | I found a lot of fixes on the 24 |
| 12:22.57 | Tupone | I remember something from the audio 'cause I wrote the SDL binding for bz! I'm waiting or capt to put that in |
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| 14:42.23 | learner | howdy |
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| 15:21.48 | fiberchunks_ | howdy |
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| 15:55.28 | learner | fiber: multiple personalities? |
| 15:56.34 | learner | time to install a video card.. system going down |
| 16:02.54 | fiberchu1ks | gah -- fiberchunks needs to die |
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| 17:27.32 | learner | woohoo |
| 17:27.37 | learner | dual display goodness |
| 17:28.02 | learner | now i just need my bzflag radar on one screen and the 3d view on another :) |
| 17:32.11 | fiberchu1ks | right on |
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| 18:01.14 | learner | wow, there really aren't that many multi-display aware games/applications |
| 18:01.28 | gonkulator | learner: don't I know it |
| 18:01.49 | gonkulator | learner: how many displays do you have? |
| 18:02.01 | learner | two here at home |
| 18:02.41 | learner | my video card just came in yesterday.. playing around :) |
| 18:02.48 | learner | 5? hehe |
| 18:02.51 | gonkulator | yeah |
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| 18:03.00 | gonkulator | it will be six when my new video card comes in |
| 18:03.12 | gonkulator | http://store.yahoo.com/kmexpress/jat-440p-d.html <--- a really good deal |
| 18:03.29 | learner | i have a bunch of doubles and triples at work, but I've never tried hunting for software |
| 18:03.48 | gonkulator | yeah, I gave up |
| 18:03.54 | gonkulator | I just run one application per head |
| 18:04.03 | gonkulator | gaim in one... xchat in another |
| 18:04.13 | bzdoug_ | quake |
| 18:04.13 | learner | we'll have to get bz working on mutliple displays :) |
| 18:04.30 | gonkulator | oh man would it be cool if it supported 3+ displays |
| 18:04.31 | bzdoug_ | I saw a photo of quake running on linux with 5 displays |
| 18:04.44 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: that would be really slow on my box as is |
| 18:04.53 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 18:05.02 | gonkulator | two of my heads lack gl acceleration |
| 18:05.03 | BZSpiff | So you have to have a special video card to run -view three? |
| 18:05.36 | gonkulator | thats not a bad idea... |
| 18:06.01 | gonkulator | well, as soon as that card comes in, five of my six heads will be well acclerated |
| 18:06.09 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 18:06.13 | bzdoug_ | whats the cpu? |
| 18:06.20 | gonkulator | Athlon XP 1800+ |
| 18:06.30 | bzdoug_ | ah, I have a 1700+ |
| 18:07.20 | gonkulator | so its faster than the cards I have |
| 18:07.32 | gonkulator | I have a Riva 128 and an old s3 virge that need replacing |
| 18:08.00 | gonkulator | they hog resources more than they should |
| 18:08.59 | learner | at least now I can read irc while I play bzflag.. :D |
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| 18:17.11 | learner | ah, this is sweet -- watch a dvd while I code |
| 18:22.54 | BZSpiff | Hmm. Multitasking at its height. ;) |
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| 18:55.08 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): fixed the FIXME for cleanly preventing a non-negative index |
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| 19:14.31 | Chestal | learner: I don't thnk that your fix is safe |
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| 19:15.01 | learner | how so?? |
| 19:15.14 | Chestal | I am not sure what the standard says |
| 19:15.45 | Chestal | but when char is signed: char c=0; c--; cout << (unsigned int)c; |
| 19:15.59 | Chestal | the output is 4294967295 for me |
| 19:16.51 | Chestal | I assume it's first converted to signed int, then to unsigned int |
| 19:17.10 | Chestal | unsigned int i=(unsigned char)c; works for me but I am not sure if it is guaranteed to |
| 19:17.48 | scanline | It should be, since you're explicitly specifying the casts |
| 19:17.48 | Chestal | will change to use that anyway, looks short and works for me :-) |
| 19:18.12 | learner | sounds good to me either way |
| 19:18.16 | Chestal | scnaline: yes, but questions remaind whether a cast from signed T to unsigned T is defined for values <0 |
| 19:18.38 | scanline | Chestal: yes |
| 19:19.12 | scanline | I'm not sure whether it's part of the standard or not, but it will work on any machine that uses two's complement notation |
| 19:19.24 | scanline | I don't know of any modern architecture that doesn't, for integers |
| 19:19.39 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): use yet another variant of the signed/unsigned casting |
| 19:19.57 | Chestal | well, that assumes that (unsigned char) c is the same as *(unsigned char *)&c though |
| 19:20.50 | Chestal | i.e. that the bit pattern does not change |
| 19:20.52 | scanline | should be... though it would be good to know what ANSI has to say about this |
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| 19:26.15 | learner | if the wordfilter class ever gets optimized, that array should probably go away altogether |
| 19:28.21 | learner | right now it's an array of std::set, basically a set for every potential starting letter so that all words that start with some letter are put into the same bin |
| 19:28.56 | learner | a binary tree or hash, or even a map, would probably serve much better |
| 19:29.34 | Chestal | hmm, why not start by putting everything into a single set? |
| 19:29.45 | learner | that was the start |
| 19:30.19 | learner | 2000 words expands to about 20000 entries without prefixes |
| 19:30.42 | learner | that's a lot of regexp'ing |
| 19:31.04 | Chestal | ah, didn't know it does regexps, I haven#t really looked into it all |
| 19:31.29 | Chestal | mainly because I do no tplan to use filtering on my servers anyway |
| 19:31.31 | learner | ideally it should only have to do O(logN) regexp's |
| 19:32.03 | learner | or even O(1) if the hash would work well enough |
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| 19:33.07 | learner | chestal, you might want to consider using a really limited filter file and just filter callsigns |
| 19:33.46 | Chestal | I'm very skeptical about filtering, got bitten once too often by simplistic filters in internet chats and the like |
| 19:34.26 | Chestal | when some server owners want it, it is ok of course |
| 19:34.35 | learner | indeed, hence why I suggest just a core filter set to catch blatent callsign nasties |
| 19:35.55 | learner | I've had a couple teams of players testing the filter out and am fairly satisfied with the results |
| 19:36.10 | learner | there were zero false positives, which is what I'm most concerned with |
| 19:36.45 | learner | but then, it all really depends on what is in the swear/filter file |
| 19:37.23 | Chestal | yes, what's normal for some people is offensive to others |
| 19:37.32 | learner | yep |
| 19:37.34 | Chestal | and multiple languages cannot be handled effectively either |
| 19:39.01 | learner | yes, the default filter file is supposed to only included what would be considered offensive to 95+% of people -- rather obscene words/phrases |
| 19:39.26 | learner | it includes "core" swear words in about 20+ languages |
| 19:39.34 | Chestal | ~insult me |
| 19:39.44 | Chestal | uhm |
| 19:39.52 | learner | ibot: sup G? |
| 19:39.56 | | nuthin, yous? |
| 19:40.35 | gonkulator | ~lart me |
| 19:40.46 | gonkulator | odd that ibot picked that one.... |
| 19:41.03 | gonkulator | my ear is messed up ATM... |
| 19:46.25 | learner | basically, i never intended the filter to catch insults -- it's basically just supposed to catch words that are rather profane or obscene ; allow admins to keep things down to PG13ish instead of potentially R or NC17 |
| 19:46.46 | learner | or to keep blatent assclowns out |
| 19:51.00 | BZSpiff | I think it's an awesome idea, learner. :) |
| 19:51.53 | learner | poll kicking should take care of the rest of the troublesome ones |
| 19:52.05 | Chestal | would 'assclown' be filtered? ;-) |
| 19:52.21 | Chestal | is the voting stuff already usable? |
| 19:52.27 | learner | if it's in your filter file -- sure :) if not, then no :) |
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| 19:52.52 | learner | ches: not quite -- have to finish hooking up the last class |
| 19:53.09 | Chestal | how is it supposed to be used? |
| 19:53.32 | learner | there are /vote /poll and /veto commands |
| 19:54.01 | learner | and about 5 bzfs options |
| 19:55.13 | Chestal | btw., anyone watched "Auto Focus"? |
| 19:55.15 | learner | I'll post an article on usage rules that are enforced and implied no-no's |
| 19:56.33 | learner | I have not |
| 19:59.27 | Chestal | well, I'm about to see it now, later |
| 20:05.25 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): commentification of main loop timing |
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| 21:27.19 | KTL | s/bot/bit/ |
| 21:28.23 | bzgirl | hi ktl |
| 21:28.27 | KTL | :-) |
| 21:28.45 | KTL | mmm, you changed your site? |
| 21:29.00 | bzgirl | i did? |
| 21:29.06 | bzgirl | oh yeah |
| 21:29.10 | bzgirl | the colors etc |
| 21:29.13 | KTL | nice look |
| 21:29.47 | bzgirl | yes, simpler i think |
| 21:31.16 | KTL | creating a site consists of 2 main challenges i think: 1. the contents ("hopefully i have something to say") 2. the layout |
| 21:32.11 | bzgirl | and 3 learning html and css :) |
| 21:32.39 | learner | hehe |
| 21:34.04 | KTL | the backgrounds are always a prob for me, texts must stay readable and i always want to have something behind it, then i make something, and after some months i find it sick and the delete key approaches |
| 21:35.30 | learner | ewww.. backgrounds |
| 21:35.45 | KTL | there 'll be a time i make pure ascii text-only webpages, no html no css nothing nothing at all |
| 21:36.02 | learner | very subtle |
| 21:36.50 | scanline | exactly |
| 21:36.55 | KTL | friend of me did it this way: http://users.pandora.be/cube/home.html |
| 21:37.06 | KTL | a big toothbrush at the background |
| 21:37.40 | KTL | no contrasts, everything extremely standard html |
| 21:38.11 | KTL | it's from belgium:-) |
| 21:38.25 | KTL | for me it's there in a sec |
| 21:38.39 | learner | only took a second for me |
| 21:38.44 | scanline | well, I'm also on a pretty slow connection |
| 21:38.45 | learner | well 3 |
| 21:39.17 | scanline | oh, I see part of the toothbrush |
| 21:39.26 | scanline | bah |
| 21:39.28 | learner | interesting, I haven't seen someone do a rollover image map in a long time |
| 21:39.32 | KTL | you too? konqueror maybe? |
| 21:39.35 | scanline | I hate the links on the side that only appear when you move the mouse over them |
| 21:39.43 | scanline | galeon |
| 21:39.45 | KTL | :-) |
| 21:40.08 | KTL | mmm he uses windows (bweeeeeeek), his site really has a prob then |
| 21:40.13 | scanline | navigation doodads like that should be dragged out into the street, shot, and piled on top of the <blink> tags |
| 21:40.16 | learner | scanline, they're there once it finishes loading |
| 21:40.22 | KTL | explorer shows a full toothbrush |
| 21:40.24 | scanline | oh? |
| 21:40.36 | KTL | (i think) |
| 21:40.52 | scanline | sites that are completely useless until the graphics all load are evil too |
| 21:41.33 | KTL | porn sites too then:-) |
| 21:41.38 | KTL | lol lol lol |
| 21:41.44 | learner | hehe, the page is rather b0rked in IE on mac |
| 21:41.59 | learner | i see what you mean about them being "disappeared" scanline |
| 21:42.28 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/cia_stats.cgi is the sort of web design I like ;) |
| 21:42.45 | KTL | mmmm :-) |
| 21:42.54 | scanline | only images are a few small logo icons, and they all have alt tags |
| 21:42.55 | KTL | tasts goood |
| 21:43.15 | ElectricElf | Now with 20% less fat. |
| 21:43.40 | KTL | eey the returns in the source, none ... |
| 21:44.01 | KTL | (or they are from windows, not sure) |
| 21:44.37 | scanline | well, the source is automatically generated.. it's wrapped to a fixed width, but it's definitely not pretty |
| 21:44.57 | scanline | I tried making it pretty, but the extra whitespace represented a significant fraction of the page size, so to conserve bandwidth I made it ugly |
| 21:45.40 | KTL | http://www.dervishdukot.org/ |
| 21:45.41 | scanline | the content/presentation separation is very nice thogh |
| 21:45.46 | scanline | does some cool stuff with CSS |
| 21:46.27 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/cube.png |
| 21:46.41 | KTL | (the css is idd specialized |
| 21:46.42 | KTL | ) |
| 21:47.06 | KTL | half a meg |
| 21:47.23 | KTL | big screen you have |
| 21:48.00 | KTL | compatibility aaargh |
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| 21:48.06 | KTL | i 'll show him that |
| 21:48.37 | scanline | learner: for me, the blue bar was there but none of the icons |
| 21:48.42 | bzgirl | scanline: i like that "simple & clean" layout on your stat page |
| 21:49.17 | scanline | thanks :) |
| 21:49.43 | Legolas | bye |
| 21:51.09 | KTL | Usage Statistics for navi.picogui.org, ? that's http? only your site?... (human-readable format would be nice:-) ) |
| 21:51.32 | scanline | KTL: huh? |
| 21:51.44 | scanline | ah yes, the disk widget is fun |
| 21:51.59 | scanline | though it does require images, since SVG isn't widespread yet |
| 21:52.08 | KTL | (scanline: i thought bzg tolked about http://navi.picogui.org/webalizer/ , i 'll be rong) |
| 21:52.22 | KTL | s/tolked/talked/ |
| 21:52.30 | scanline | KTL: the CIA stats page |
| 21:52.37 | scanline | that page is just standard output from Webalizer |
| 21:52.38 | KTL | aaaa |
| 21:53.03 | scanline | then the disk widget is at http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks.cgi |
| 21:53.14 | scanline | it uses the same CSS and backend code as cia_stats, but shows off some cute pie charts |
| 21:53.31 | KTL | nice |
| 21:53.37 | scanline | ooh, 82 days uptime |
| 21:53.46 | scanline | the longer qwest holds up on our DSL the longer navi will be up... |
| 21:57.22 | KTL | still one week, then i have enough time to program again, i want to work at my map, my server, at a bot for bzflag, ... |
| 21:57.42 | bzdoug | LOL |
| 21:57.51 | bzdoug | 01,9910 .NET Messenger Service Staff: 01You are running a version of messenger that requires an immediate security update. Please visit 0412http://messenger.msn.com/Help/Upgrades.aspx01 to complete the update.01,99 |
| 21:57.59 | KTL | ieeeeeek |
| 21:58.02 | KTL | yuk |
| 21:58.10 | bzdoug | gee... I wonder when I started using msn messenger? |
| 21:58.14 | KTL | i receive that too while i'm using kmerlin |
| 21:58.21 | bzdoug | I use trillian |
| 21:58.39 | KTL | gaim is good too |
| 21:58.51 | KTL | kopete is full of bugs today, still in dev |
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| 21:59.13 | SGI | hello |
| 21:59.13 | KTL | kmerlin is nice, but only for msn |
| 21:59.15 | learner | howdy sgi :) |
| 21:59.20 | KTL | hey |
| 21:59.24 | learner | how's the terremota? |
| 21:59.32 | SGI | she is great |
| 21:59.33 | KTL | ~dict terremota |
| 21:59.43 | SGI | destroying her romm |
| 21:59.49 | SGI | room |
| 22:00.12 | KTL | an animal or a girl?:-) |
| 22:00.17 | SGI | and talking....if you want call talk |
| 22:00.35 | learner | KTL: http://babelfish.altavista.com |
| 22:00.50 | learner | spanish->english for terremoto |
| 22:01.03 | scanline | earthquake? |
| 22:01.10 | learner | :) |
| 22:01.13 | KTL | earthquake |
| 22:01.17 | scanline | ah |
| 22:01.18 | SGI | a little princess |
| 22:01.26 | KTL | terra - movere moving earth |
| 22:02.11 | learner | sgi has a bundle of joy causing destruction :) |
| 22:02.11 | KTL | so a earthquake is destroying her (his?) room... mmm |
| 22:02.21 | KTL | fear |
| 22:02.27 | SGI | no she is great |
| 22:02.49 | SGI | yesterday she destroyed my fixture |
| 22:02.59 | SGI | an a bulb |
| 22:03.18 | SGI | we try to keep far away from pcs |
| 22:03.54 | SGI | btw we used to have ants inside the house.....no anymore :o) |
| 22:03.54 | learner | aww.. let her play on da puter :) |
| 22:04.01 | KTL | lol |
| 22:04.05 | SGI | j/k |
| 22:04.13 | KTL | format c:/ agoegoe |
| 22:04.18 | KTL | rm -f agoe goeeee |
| 22:04.22 | KTL | rm -r * |
| 22:04.35 | learner | she'll figure out how easily peanut butter fits into the cdrom drive soon enough :D |
| 22:04.46 | SGI | DVD |
| 22:04.49 | SGI | already |
| 22:04.54 | learner | lol |
| 22:05.07 | bzdoug | you have a goat? |
| 22:05.20 | SGI | she used my car key for open a USB port |
| 22:05.28 | KTL | heeeeeeelp:-) |
| 22:05.30 | KTL | oh nooo |
| 22:05.51 | SGI | but is so funny |
| 22:06.00 | learner | just wait till she pours milk into your case.. |
| 22:06.09 | SGI | nnnooooooooooooooo |
| 22:06.12 | learner | then it won't be funny :) |
| 22:06.23 | SGI | dont let me think |
| 22:06.50 | SGI | probably is better...in this way I can buy A new pc |
| 22:06.54 | learner | "but daddy -- I'm just feeding it.." |
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| 22:07.07 | SGI | he need more energy |
| 22:07.10 | KTL | wait until she writes supervirus, famous earthquake |
| 22:07.19 | bzgirl | http://www.astercity.net/~tobik/pingpong.html matrix ping pong :) |
| 22:07.23 | SGI | no ...no virus |
| 22:07.27 | KTL | good hackersname earthquake |
| 22:07.34 | SGI | no hacker |
| 22:07.48 | KTL | not yet:-) |
| 22:07.50 | SGI | who write virus is callled cracker |
| 22:07.57 | bzdoug | bzgirl: :) |
| 22:08.10 | SGI | she is a virus???? |
| 22:08.18 | SGI | where |
| 22:08.30 | KTL | let the bot decide |
| 22:08.37 | SGI | we know |
| 22:08.38 | KTL | ~dict cracker |
| 22:08.44 | KTL | ~dict hacker |
| 22:08.57 | SGI | see |
| 22:09.18 | SGI | the cracker is the dark side of the computing |
| 22:09.30 | learner | careful, there might be ants on that cracker |
| 22:09.45 | SGI | beer keep a bottle of ber close to you ...the cracker are to dry |
| 22:09.55 | KTL | warn the ants before they are eaten |
| 22:09.58 | captain_proton | the cracker is a tasty snack, especially when combined with spicy hummus |
| 22:10.07 | SGI | cheese |
| 22:10.09 | KTL | ~dict hummus |
| 22:10.55 | KTL | the bot needs more data |
| 22:11.03 | KTL | that dict is too small |
| 22:11.46 | SGI | ~dict humus |
| 22:11.57 | KTL | same as in dutch |
| 22:12.02 | captain_proton | http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummus |
| 22:12.03 | SGI | surprise |
| 22:14.47 | KTL | hacked ==> simply got the password with brute force testing |
| 22:16.00 | SGI | Middle Eastern dip: a Middle Eastern dip made with mashed chickpeas, tahini, oil, lemon juice, and garlic, combined into a thick paste |
| 22:17.04 | scanline | tasty |
| 22:17.08 | learner | mmmm.. can't forget the jalepeņos |
| 22:17.26 | scanline | jalapeno bagels with hummus are the best I've found so far |
| 22:17.27 | SGI | still 168kb |
| 22:17.40 | scanline | but safeway didn't seem to have jalapeno bagels, so I settled for the next best thing |
| 22:18.18 | SGI | whit more optional pages it was 177..the new one |
| 22:18.22 | SGI | 177kb |
| 22:18.34 | SGI | with bzip2 is 168 |
| 22:18.48 | scanline | mmm |
| 22:19.09 | DTRemenak | hm...I smaller gain than I expected |
| 22:19.41 | SGI | probably with another zip we can go down another couple of kb |
| 22:21.29 | DTRemenak | a couple kb isn't really worth the extra effort I don't think |
| 22:22.32 | scanline | KTL: generally not |
| 22:22.43 | scanline | multiple compressions almost always make files larger |
| 22:22.54 | DTRemenak | diff. kinds of compression |
| 22:22.56 | SGI | let me try |
| 22:23.03 | DTRemenak | bzip2 + zlib |
| 22:23.27 | DTRemenak | might make it bigger anyway :) |
| 22:24.37 | learner | bz2 is going to be your safest all-around best compression, gzip/zlib is going to be your easiest to use/implement/have available |
| 22:24.38 | scanline | DTRemenak: likely.. that's just disgusting even if it makes it a tiny bit smaller :P |
| 22:24.39 | captain_proton | bzip2+zlib will be larger than either one alone |
| 22:24.50 | learner | others will vary depending on the data source |
| 22:25.17 | captain_proton | compression algorithms generally create data that is near-incompressible |
| 22:25.18 | SGI | bzip + winzip=???? |
| 22:25.19 | captain_proton | just by nature |
| 22:25.39 | DTRemenak | SGI: winzip & zlib are the same algorithm |
| 22:25.53 | KTL | and rar ? |
| 22:26.16 | KTL | rar zip gzip bzip bz2 gz .... |
| 22:26.36 | DTRemenak | rar is proprietary if I recall |
| 22:26.49 | SGI | yes |
| 22:27.07 | SGI | zlib and bzip2 |
| 22:27.12 | KTL | tar |
| 22:27.20 | DTRemenak | tar is not compressed :) |
| 22:27.39 | KTL | ace |
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| 22:27.57 | KTL | jar |
| 22:28.31 | DTRemenak | ACE is also proprietary |
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| 22:29.26 | BZSpiff | Can someone here enter some match results for me? :) |
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| 22:29.41 | SGI | 156kb |
| 22:29.57 | anacondaac | hi everyone |
| 22:30.58 | SGI | and after we need to know if my files are the exact dimensions with the new release |
| 22:32.28 | scanline | SGI: what are you trying to compress anyway? |
| 22:32.49 | bzgirl | hi anacondaac |
| 22:33.23 | bzdoug | data |
| 22:34.08 | Chestal | re |
| 22:34.24 | SGI | king |
| 22:36.11 | bzgirl | spiff its entered |
| 22:36.44 | BZSpiff | Thanx0rz. :D |
| 22:37.04 | bzgirl | np-0rz |
| 22:37.33 | anacondaac | hi chestal |
| 22:38.39 | bzgirl | Chestal: i saw a rare sight today, a second mole surfaced this morning on ducati |
| 22:38.53 | Chestal | bzgirl: must have been a tankmann |
| 22:38.58 | bzgirl | yep |
| 22:39.02 | Chestal | hi anaconda, haven't seen you playing lately |
| 22:39.08 | BZSpiff | tankmann was on a couple of hours ago.. hehe. :-) |
| 22:39.09 | anacondaac | well, today i did |
| 22:39.22 | BZSpiff | I considered askin' the Moles for a match.. but I figured they were busy tunneling. ;-) |
| 22:39.37 | anacondaac | chestal, du spielst auch nicht mehr so viel wie auch schon? |
| 22:39.43 | Chestal | just tunneled my way out of the theatre back here |
| 22:39.55 | BZSpiff | Hehe. :-) |
| 22:40.01 | Chestal | anaconda: jo, stimmt |
| 22:40.27 | SGI | lo spiff |
| 22:40.30 | SGI | lol |
| 22:40.33 | anacondaac | hast du einfach nicht mehr so viel Zeit oder keine Lust mehr? |
| 22:41.34 | Chestal | anaconda: naja, ergibt sich nicht unbedingt immer so. Und zu viel spielen ist ja auch net gut :-) |
| 22:41.39 | SGI | theatre...a mole in a balcony ...uhmmmmmmm strange |
| 22:41.48 | Chestal | anaconda: ich spieel ja immer an der Uni und letztens war ich da abends nicht mehr so oft |
| 22:42.09 | Chestal | SGI: watching a movie, and not on the balcony, although I could have |
| 22:42.44 | anacondaac | Chestal: ah, der server steht an der uni;-) ja ja, ich hab mir auch gesagt dass ich nicht mehr so oft spielen sollte;-) aber so in den semesterferien... |
| 22:45.59 | BZSpiff | We spacemen like to sit in the back, set our laser pistols to sting, and zap people in the backs of their heads. ;-) |
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| 22:49.40 | anacondaac | bye everyone |
| 22:49.47 | bzgirl | cya |
| 22:49.58 | anacondaac | cya bzgirl;-) |
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| 22:53.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 22:55.43 | SGI | I g2g bye all |
| 22:55.52 | SGI | yes it is |
| 22:56.01 | Chestal | bye SGI |
| 22:56.09 | DTRemenak | c'ya SGI |
| 22:56.36 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@bgp01138bgs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 23:07.06 | BZSpiff | I love this channel. |
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| 23:08.51 | Patlabor221 | why? cus it's the only place on the net where you can see no text? |
| 23:09.06 | BZSpiff | Wow. Patlabor lives. |
| 23:09.39 | Patlabor221 | if you call this life |
| 23:10.14 | BZSpiff | Hmm. You been doing downers again? |
| 23:10.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:11.12 | scanline | BZSpiff: #commits is a cooler channel ;) |
| 23:11.20 | scanline | and #tacobeam is the coolest of all! |
| 23:11.26 | BZSpiff | Hmm. What's there? LoL |
| 23:27.33 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 23:28.46 | BZSpiff | ~seen ski |
| 23:28.46 | | ski <ski@pool-151-201-123-59.pitt.east.verizon.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 65d 19h 51m 55s ago, saying: 'gnight all'. |
| 23:29.05 | BZSpiff | Sheeeeesh. I guess he doesn't come here much. |
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| 23:42.53 | BZSpiff | Wow.. two bzgirl's. :-) |
| 23:43.03 | bzgirl_ | :) |
| 23:43.28 | Patlabor221 | can't handle that much spiff? |
| 23:43.31 | BZSpiff | That's gotta be the best thing that's ever happened to #bzflag. :-D |
| 23:43.53 | BZSpiff | Too much heaven perhaps? Nah. BZ could do with some more sweetness. :-) |
| 23:44.14 | orchid | heh |
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| 23:45.47 | bzdoug | connection problems eh? |
| 23:45.52 | bzgirl_ | yeah :( |
| 23:45.59 | bzgirl_ | stupid ottawa server |
| 23:46.36 | Spiff | Bummer. :-( |
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| 23:47.08 | Spiff | My ISP went down for a couple of hours earlier this week... the one night that I was up at like 2:00 AM.. it decided to die. Arg. It's never done that before. |
| 23:54.54 | captain_proton | did the WorkInProgress page move? |
| 23:55.38 | captain_proton | ah, nevermind |
| 23:55.45 | captain_proton | the entire wiki is broken |
| 23:57.20 | bzdoug | lol |
