| 00:00.09 | MrApathyCream | bb@1am-edst |
| 00:02.40 | TimRiker | something like a browser version, cept that we probably want "version : arch : etc..." |
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| 00:04.55 | Carnage | is bzg here? |
| 00:05.01 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:05.48 | Carnage | ill tell chestal the results then |
| 00:08.56 | TimRiker | bzadmin line draw chars should be nuked. |
| 00:09.32 | TimRiker | an inverted borderless window as the Send to status would be more portable. |
| 00:18.35 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): whitespace |
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| 00:36.04 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): whitespace, nuke borders that don't always work. |
| 00:39.32 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): .bzf/ |
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| 01:00.31 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): revert to cyan/red |
| 01:01.07 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (26 files in 9 dirs): trailing whitespace |
| 01:03.13 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): bzadmin -help and man page |
| 01:04.25 | captain_proton | TimRiker: had someone killed the green channel? |
| 01:05.43 | TimRiker | I did by mistake. I forgot to unhack it before commiting another patch. |
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| 01:11.04 | TimRiker | anaglyph stereo does not work w/ -window? |
| 01:11.26 | TimRiker | switching video sizes looses keyboard focus for me now. |
| 01:13.59 | TimRiker | hmm. not always... |
| 01:15.16 | tea|tree_ | GOOD NITE |
| 01:15.20 | tea|tree_ | oops |
| 01:15.24 | tea|tree_ | caps on |
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| 01:16.16 | BZSpiff | Hey all. :-) |
| 01:18.21 | tea|tree_ | nite |
| 01:18.26 | tea|tree_ | 3 am :-/ |
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| 01:18.32 | BZSpiff | C-ya tea. Hehehe. :-) |
| 01:19.14 | TimRiker | depthbuffer is not being saved in the config |
| 01:20.48 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): depthbuffer |
| 01:20.50 | JBDiGriz | stats.bzflag.org is a little changed today. |
| 01:32.31 | BZSpiff | Gee.. slightly. |
| 01:32.52 | DTRemenak | looks like someone forgot to set up a virtual server |
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| 02:45.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (LocalPlayer.cxx): don't allow jumping if underground w or w/o burrow |
| 03:13.04 | learner | I see Tim is being a commit beast tonight.. |
| 03:13.19 | captain_proton | mmm |
| 03:13.48 | learner | larsl lit a little fire there :) |
| 03:14.22 | learner | is 66.62.140.111 presently the list server? |
| 03:14.29 | learner | procyon.penguinstalon.com |
| 03:15.15 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.sourceforge.net/list-server.txt |
| 03:15.49 | learner | hrm, different machine |
| 03:16.57 | learner | the same guy that posted the useless flame post seems to have an actual question about that ip attaching to his server repeatedly |
| 03:17.15 | learner | https://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2166214 |
| 03:21.00 | captain_proton | i never saw the flame post :P |
| 03:21.09 | learner | ah, heh |
| 03:21.24 | captain_proton | PING stats.noodleroni.com (66.62.140.111) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 03:21.44 | learner | he basically told someone who posted a question that they were an idiot and that if they needed to ask that question, they should just stop using their computer |
| 03:22.11 | learner | ah, wadaya know -- there it is |
| 03:22.18 | learner | noodleman's stats |
| 03:29.19 | Patlabor221 | awww you didn't call him a git :) |
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| 03:42.43 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): if targeted player picks stealth mid-missile lock, drop lock |
| 03:50.55 | MrApathyCream | trailing whitespace cleanup is where master programmers go to die... first cappy, now riker |
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| 04:03.46 | MrApathyCream | JBD so you up to puting rabbit help in game? |
| 04:08.00 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker, depthbuffer is called zBuffer in bzc, and is saved |
| 04:09.08 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): depthbuffer is called zBuffer in bzc and is saved |
| 04:16.54 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: I nuke my config. I run bzflag. I turn depth buffer off. I exit. I rerun bzflag. Depth buffer is on. |
| 04:17.30 | TimRiker | therefore I stick out my tongue in your general direction. |
| 04:18.43 | MrApathyCream | odd |
| 04:18.48 | MrApathyCream | it is off for me |
| 04:19.13 | TimRiker | by default? or because you changed it? |
| 04:19.23 | MrApathyCream | i change it, and it get set to 0 in bzc |
| 04:20.14 | TimRiker | I have no set zBuffer in my ~/.bzflag19 |
| 04:21.11 | TimRiker | I add a "set zBuffer 0" I still get depth buffer on. |
| 04:23.41 | MrApathyCream | ok, maybe that.. lessee |
| 04:23.56 | MrApathyCream | but, what happens if it's not in there, you turn in off and exit, does it show up? |
| 04:24.17 | TimRiker | nope. |
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| 04:27.26 | MrApathyCream | strange |
| 04:31.18 | TimRiker | indeed |
| 04:37.00 | TimRiker | bzadmin depends on GL/gl.h =( |
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| 04:38.07 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): bzadmin needs GL headers |
| 04:42.26 | TimRiker | well, nite. |
| 04:56.17 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (SceneRenderer.cxx): Don't forcibly assume you are using depth buffer |
| 04:59.19 | MrApathyCream | anyone try the autopilot lately |
| 05:00.25 | MrApathyCream | anyone breathing? |
| 05:01.40 | JBDiGriz | MAC: I saw rabbit help in the game already. did we need more? |
| 05:01.51 | MrApathyCream | is it? coo, then remove the todo |
| 05:01.52 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:02.10 | JBDiGriz | I haven't tested it, since I didn't add it. |
| 05:02.10 | MrApathyCream | i think -vars needs to be added to man |
| 05:02.31 | JBDiGriz | Which man, and what does it do? |
| 05:02.42 | MrApathyCream | bzfs |
| 05:02.55 | MrApathyCream | it specifies a file that has server side game variable override |
| 05:02.58 | MrApathyCream | entries are like |
| 05:03.05 | MrApathyCream | set _gravity -3.5 |
| 05:03.13 | MrApathyCream | set _tankSpeed 100.0 |
| 05:03.30 | MrApathyCream | they get sent to all clients, and voila, the gravity is real low, and tanks move real fast |
| 05:04.07 | MrApathyCream | I'm not sure how server ops are supposed to know what all the game variables are (besides looking in the code) |
| 05:04.24 | MrApathyCream | world weapons probably needs to get put in the man (bzfs) too |
| 05:05.17 | MrApathyCream | yup rabbit doc is in bzflag-proper |
| 05:08.14 | JBDiGriz | I've written those down, and I'll wander through the code a bit before putting them in the man page. |
| 05:09.31 | JBDiGriz | Did you see the comments from Tim regarding the gameinfo TODO? |
| 05:10.38 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:10.47 | MrApathyCream | i understand them to be for bzadmin |
| 05:10.51 | MrApathyCream | but i have no idea |
| 05:11.24 | JBDiGriz | They were for bzfls, and he put most of the info in the TODO, since nobody understood what was supposed to be done. |
| 05:12.29 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:12.47 | MrApathyCream | i really don't see anything on the list that 'should happend before release' |
| 05:13.28 | JBDiGriz | I'm not sure why that item is in the should happen before release, unless he's worried about breaking the protocol again for the next release. |
| 05:13.46 | JBDiGriz | I think we should just plan on breaking the protocol. |
| 05:13.55 | MrApathyCream | we are going to%b break the protocol for the next release, anyway |
| 05:14.12 | JBDiGriz | 1.9 breaks the protocol |
| 05:14.13 | MrApathyCream | and for several after that, i believe |
| 05:14.53 | JBDiGriz | I tried to get the planning done so we could break the protocol and know what we're doing. It didn't seem to go very well. |
| 05:14.54 | MrApathyCream | frankly imo you should not have backward compatibility |
| 05:15.06 | MrApathyCream | (for a game) |
| 05:15.21 | JBDiGriz | agreed! |
| 05:17.17 | JBDiGriz | I'm off for now, I'll be around tomorrow! |
| 05:17.23 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 05:26.42 | captain_proton | yay for getting debug screens while playing super smash |
| 05:26.47 | scanline | =) |
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| 05:40.56 | captain_proton | ~whaleslap the music school |
| 05:42.12 | captain_proton | hmm, learner must have gotten rid of whaleslap |
| 05:50.03 | captain_proton | i did a cvs commit, but my efforts ended in a fantastic battle between me and the modem |
| 05:50.03 | captain_proton | and i lost |
| 05:50.43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 08:46.47 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 08:50.52 | Chikorita | ~learner |
| 08:50.52 | | rumour has it, learner is your friend |
| 08:50.58 | Chikorita | ~mayhem |
| 08:50.59 | | it has been said that mayhem is on BzR and is a really nice guy |
| 08:51.12 | Chikorita | ~chikorita |
| 08:51.13 | | it has been said that chikorita is da team captain of BzRebels . |
| 08:51.31 | Chikorita | ~evil chicken nugget |
| 08:53.03 | Chikorita | ibot: Evil Chicken Nugget is the Rebel League Administrator and team member of BzR |
| 08:53.04 | | Chikorita: okay |
| 08:53.11 | Chikorita | ~greg |
| 08:53.12 | | Framework for testing other programs and libraries. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/greg/ |
| 08:56.06 | Chikorita | ibot: greg is da 2nd member ta join team BzRebels and becuz of dat he iz special to Chikorita :) |
| 08:56.07 | | ...but greg is already something else... |
| 08:56.56 | Chikorita | ~greg1 |
| 08:59.56 | Chikorita | ibot: greg is da 2nd member to join team team BzRebels and becuz of dat he iz special to Chikorita :) |
| 08:59.57 | | ...but greg is already something else... |
| 09:00.32 | Chikorita | ibot: greg is da 2nd member to join team BzRebels and becuz of dat he iz special to Chikorita :) |
| 09:00.33 | | ...but greg is already something else... |
| 09:00.40 | Chikorita | ~greg |
| 09:00.40 | | Framework for testing other programs and libraries. URL: http://www.gnu.org/software/greg/ |
| 09:00.46 | Chikorita | :\ |
| 09:00.56 | Chikorita | ~evil chicken nugget |
| 09:00.57 | | evil chicken nugget is probably the Rebel League Administrator and team member of BzR |
| 09:01.45 | Chikorita | ~hello kitty |
| 09:02.47 | Chikorita | ibot: hello kitty is da newest member of team BzRebels |
| 09:02.48 | | Chikorita: okay |
| 09:02.59 | Chikorita | ~Hello Kitty |
| 09:03.00 | | methinks hello kitty is da newest member of team BzRebels |
| 09:03.15 | Chikorita | :) |
| 09:03.26 | Chikorita | good bot |
| 09:03.33 | Chikorita | ibot: botsnack |
| 09:03.33 | | aw, gee, Chikorita |
| 09:03.45 | Chikorita | :) |
| 09:50.41 | Chestal | tag |
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| 10:39.13 | strayer | hiho |
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| 10:43.58 | tea|tree_ | mornin`:D |
| 10:47.29 | strayer | onehi tea|tree_ |
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| 11:01.28 | rooter | Chestal: i think ducati just went down |
| 11:01.51 | rooter | never mind... back up |
| 11:27.43 | CIA | 03larsl * 12bzflag/src/bzadmin (CursesUI.cxx): Removed old 1.7 quick-ban code from bzadmin |
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| 12:21.43 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 12:21.53 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 12:22.24 | Chestal | got a question regarding the thief beam: does the speed value have any effect? or is it instantaneous? |
| 12:22.32 | Chestal | ~spell instantaneous |
| 12:22.33 | | 'instantaneous' may be spelled correctly |
| 12:22.56 | MrApathyCream | um, well, the speed value matters, altho it's so high that it's practically instantaneous |
| 12:23.01 | Chestal | I understand that speed*lifetime defiens the range |
| 12:23.13 | Chestal | but does it really take the speed into account? |
| 12:23.20 | Chestal | the lifetime is too short |
| 12:23.21 | MrApathyCream | i think so |
| 12:23.43 | Chestal | when you don't have very high FPS you won't see the beam sometimes at all |
| 12:23.59 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 12:24.02 | Chestal | IMHO the lifetime should be at least 0.02s, mayeb even more |
| 12:24.12 | MrApathyCream | yes, that is a problem |
| 12:24.26 | MrApathyCream | if you want something that looks instantaneous, but is short it's difficult to get |
| 12:24.28 | Chestal | but with the curent speed that would giev you a huge range; but because I do not 100% udnerstand the implications, I didn't want to chaneg anything |
| 12:25.06 | MrApathyCream | well, lifetime is completely controled by BZDB_THIEFADLIFE |
| 12:25.25 | MrApathyCream | how var it goes depends on that, plus thiefAdVel |
| 12:25.36 | MrApathyCream | s/var/far/ |
| 12:25.59 | MrApathyCream | that's why originally i tried to fudge the numbers |
| 12:26.00 | Chestal | yes, range = speed * life * adlife * advel? |
| 12:26.16 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 12:26.27 | MrApathyCream | but it looked bad to the shotee |
| 12:26.41 | Chestal | hmm, which fiel sets the default values? |
| 12:26.49 | MrApathyCream | globals.cxx |
| 12:26.51 | MrApathyCream | in common |
| 12:27.36 | MrApathyCream | fell free to slow down the velocity, i was hoping to make it look 'quick' tho |
| 12:27.39 | MrApathyCream | so keep it in mind |
| 12:27.50 | MrApathyCream | altho you can probably drop it down some and still be fine |
| 12:28.23 | Chestal | we could try speed factor of 10 and lifetime of 0.05 |
| 12:28.32 | MrApathyCream | go 4 it |
| 12:28.59 | Chestal | I still have the problem that for a burrowed tank I only see the flag, nothing of the tank at all |
| 12:29.03 | Chestal | might be a problem of my GL? not sure |
| 12:29.12 | MrApathyCream | the reload should be quick too, so you may need to change that |
| 12:29.22 | Chestal | doesn't seem to be related to the settings, i.e. textures, quality etc. |
| 12:29.27 | MrApathyCream | well, i'd rather the numbers not be so infinitessimal, anyway |
| 12:30.06 | MrApathyCream | thanks, off to the coal mines |
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| 13:41.26 | learner | moin |
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| 13:42.41 | learner | configure: error: conditional "HAVE_CURSES" was never defined. |
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| 13:52.06 | learner | +bb ? |
| 13:52.23 | learner | unban? |
| 14:13.17 | Chestal | two bans at once |
| 14:13.31 | learner | ah |
| 14:13.32 | tea|tree_ | hello all |
| 14:13.47 | learner | hi tea |
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| 14:40.47 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (global.cxx): increase thief beam lifetime so people with low to average FPS can see the beams |
| 14:45.18 | bryjen | configure: error: conditional "HAVE_CURSES" was never defined. |
| 14:45.20 | bryjen | Usually this means the macro was only invoked conditionally. |
| 14:46.03 | bryjen | conditionally conditional |
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| 16:26.58 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): restructure -window / -geometry handling a little, but somethign is still wong; some indentation issues, too |
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| 17:26.54 | patlabor221 | you know your using a goodly amount of CPU when your MP3 player skips :) |
| 17:27.39 | JBDiGriz | or your MP3 player doesn't have enough buffer space for your processing habits! ;-) |
| 17:27.47 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:28.11 | patlabor221 | well I have a gig and a half of ram here so that would be a feat |
| 17:28.30 | scanline | doesn't mean the MP3 player is using all of it... |
| 17:28.39 | JBDiGriz | GMTA |
| 17:28.41 | patlabor221 | just these 17 pass alias jitter passes take a while yeah |
| 17:29.35 | patlabor221 | only 10 more to go :) |
| 17:31.00 | patlabor221 | thankfylly lightwave is only using 25 megs of mem |
| 17:31.33 | JBDiGriz | Here's an odd question for all of you 3D guru, bzflag top 10 players out there. |
| 17:31.49 | TimRiker | that's not a question |
| 17:31.56 | JBDiGriz | What are you watching most of the time on this fantastic 3D interface game? |
| 17:32.22 | patlabor221 | you mean, radar, 3d view, or chat? |
| 17:32.26 | patlabor221 | that kinda stuff? |
| 17:32.38 | JBDiGriz | yeah, that kinda stuff. |
| 17:32.53 | patlabor221 | I look at the 3d view mostly, but then I get blowed up a lot |
| 17:33.13 | TimRiker | about even between radar and 3d view. then msg area, scoreboard and flag when there is nobody near me. |
| 17:35.29 | JBDiGriz | I'm hearing that a number of players spend most of their time watching the smaller 2D (radar) screen. |
| 17:35.37 | patlabor221 | yeah I hear that too |
| 17:35.44 | patlabor221 | a lot of people want a 2d only client |
| 17:35.48 | patlabor221 | or a full screen radar |
| 17:36.24 | JBDiGriz | Is that a function of people's processing capability (bcak) or the info provided on the 3D display? |
| 17:37.07 | patlabor221 | I think it's more of a fucntion of the gameplay of BZ |
| 17:37.13 | patlabor221 | it's very much a 2d tame |
| 17:37.15 | patlabor221 | game |
| 17:38.00 | patlabor221 | it's much easyer to line up shots when you have best view of the only 2 axies that mater, Z is just a timing thing, not an aming thing |
| 17:38.44 | JBDiGriz | Do we need angled terrain to make the 3D display more interesting/useful? |
| 17:39.05 | patlabor221 | that's a masive change to gameplay |
| 17:39.11 | patlabor221 | I think the 3d view is interesting |
| 17:39.31 | patlabor221 | I would not change gameplay JUST to make a view more or less usefull |
| 17:39.39 | scanline | maybe the grass texture scares people away from the 3d view :) |
| 17:39.45 | patlabor221 | gameplay changes should be made for gameplay/fun reasons |
| 17:39.53 | *** join/#bzflag Bagheera (~Bagheera@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net) |
| 17:40.34 | JBDiGriz | I'm not looking to change gameplay, just trying to understand where these issues arise from. |
| 17:41.20 | JBDiGriz | Actually, the grass texture might have some relevance. It could be masking some information that people are looking for from the display. |
| 17:43.04 | Bagheera | let them eat cake |
| 17:43.33 | patlabor221 | it may |
| 17:49.06 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:52.43 | JBDiGriz | but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon! ;-) |
| 17:53.08 | patlabor221 | they have the air based display systems |
| 17:57.54 | patlabor221 | I'd like to see one up close |
| 17:57.59 | patlabor221 | it did look nifty |
| 17:58.36 | brlcad | "nifty" being a choice word -- didn't seem too useful, imo, without significant reworking |
| 18:00.46 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah it would be nothing if not just something for like a novelty sign or something |
| 18:00.50 | patlabor221 | but still nifty |
| 18:00.59 | patlabor221 | I would not want one for a primary display :) |
| 18:01.14 | scanline | is this the one with the rotating semicircle inside a clear dome? |
| 18:01.17 | patlabor221 | tho maybe a big one for like nice game of duck hunt :) |
| 18:02.01 | brlcad | scanline: no, that's a another _nifty_-yet-mostly-useless display |
| 18:02.04 | JBDiGriz | Make sure you don't accidentally pick up the wrong shotgun. It could be expensive! ;-) |
| 18:02.04 | patlabor221 | no it's a sheet of air, with some partiulate mater in it that works as a screen |
| 18:02.20 | patlabor221 | for projections |
| 18:02.33 | scanline | ah, cute |
| 18:02.41 | brlcad | think of it like a sheet of misty air that can serve as a back-projection system |
| 18:02.56 | brlcad | yea, what pat said :) |
| 18:03.21 | patlabor221 | it's a very clean sheet of air tho |
| 18:03.48 | scanline | so if you stick your arm in it you get a big hole in the display above/below that? |
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| 18:05.21 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:05.26 | patlabor221 | below |
| 18:05.28 | brlcad | sorta -- you can disturb the display by disturbing the airflow |
| 18:05.41 | brlcad | here it is.. |
| 18:05.42 | brlcad | http://brlcad.org/siggraph/S2003DVD1/content/etech/rakkolainen.pdf |
| 18:05.56 | patlabor221 | they were showing it as a "public display" type thing |
| 18:06.01 | patlabor221 | so people couldn't get hurt on it |
| 18:06.29 | JBDiGriz | brlcad: To view this page, you need to log in to area “myVoiceIsMyPassport” on brlcad.org. |
| 18:07.58 | scanline | JBDiGriz: yep |
| 18:09.07 | brlcad | lemme know if you're curious pat |
| 18:09.35 | brlcad | unless you remember |
| 18:09.36 | patlabor221 | about? |
| 18:09.43 | patlabor221 | I reemmber NOTHING |
| 18:09.44 | brlcad | how to get in |
| 18:09.48 | patlabor221 | you can't pry it outame |
| 18:09.56 | patlabor221 | not even with the truth syrum |
| 18:10.00 | patlabor221 | oh |
| 18:10.01 | patlabor221 | that |
| 18:10.03 | patlabor221 | well |
| 18:10.05 | patlabor221 | umm |
| 18:10.06 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:10.13 | brlcad | hehe |
| 18:10.19 | patlabor221 | why don'tcha disregard all that up there then :) |
| 18:11.01 | patlabor221 | I read a web page thing on it where they were using it to show the mona lisa |
| 18:11.21 | brlcad | pretty much |
| 18:12.14 | brlcad | the demo "app" was just a browser, one of their "demos" was a webpage with a big picture and some text about the mona lisa |
| 18:13.00 | brlcad | i think that paper shos the image in paintshop pro or something |
| 18:13.13 | brlcad | s/os/ows/ |
| 18:13.43 | JBDiGriz | It's always easy to tell the vi users around here. ;-) |
| 18:16.42 | patlabor221 | http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/mk5.jpg |
| 18:16.52 | scanline | http://www.cs.tut.fi/~ira/wave.html |
| 18:16.53 | patlabor221 | that not round enough for ya scanline? |
| 18:17.10 | patlabor221 | yeah that was the origonal page I saw |
| 18:17.18 | scanline | what.. is it supposed to be? |
| 18:17.32 | brlcad | it's a bannana |
| 18:17.34 | brlcad | squished |
| 18:17.38 | brlcad | with a grey box on top |
| 18:17.42 | patlabor221 | yes it's a banana |
| 18:18.07 | brlcad | and painted purple on the bottom :) |
| 18:18.22 | JBDiGriz | Why the warts on a banana? |
| 18:19.45 | patlabor221 | http://www.jeffm.bakadigital.com/images/banana.jpg |
| 18:20.00 | Bagheera | looks magenta |
| 18:20.09 | patlabor221 | it's an assault banana |
| 18:20.46 | JBDiGriz | I have heard of bananas with peanut butter, but not with salt :\ |
| 18:21.02 | patlabor221 | the salt makes it sting. |
| 18:21.22 | JBDiGriz | But what are the warts for? |
| 18:21.39 | patlabor221 | speed |
| 18:21.45 | patlabor221 | speed warts |
| 18:22.52 | patlabor221 | the first one was just me experimenting with lightwaves renderer |
| 18:24.21 | patlabor221 | I don't know if I like its "radiosity" |
| 18:28.38 | Bagheera | ~dict radiosity |
| 18:32.03 | patlabor221 | it's a difrent lighting calc |
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| 18:56.56 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-135-153.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 19:14.59 | *** join/#bzflag BaDiN (Paramount@81.193.37.139) |
| 19:15.00 | BaDiN | ols |
| 19:15.02 | BaDiN | ol |
| 19:15.06 | BaDiN | what happened to stats.bzflag.org? |
| 19:16.37 | brlcad | it exploded |
| 19:17.13 | BaDiN | omg! |
| 19:17.34 | brlcad | i dunno, maybe tucker got tuckered out? |
| 19:17.36 | BaDiN | lol |
| 19:17.52 | BaDiN | bbl, cu |
| 19:18.03 | bryjen | ~seen Noodleman |
| 19:18.04 | | noodleman <cyber@webirc.caffeine-powered.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 13d 3h 33m 5s ago, saying: 'we are at our destination, just don['t have a house yet'. |
| 19:19.30 | brlcad | I'm gonna make a guess that noodle doesn't know that stats isn't stats right now |
| 19:20.39 | patlabor221 | actualy I tink he does know, I think he's moving his ISP around after his move. |
| 19:27.50 | JBDiGriz | I'm seeing the first of the sobig worm emails today. It's hitting a few mailing lists I'm on. |
| 19:28.34 | brlcad | yea? I've yet to see it. |
| 19:28.48 | JBDiGriz | The funniest one it's hit is the Apple Printers mailing list! ;-) |
| 19:28.50 | brlcad | you should forward me one so I can cause some trouble around the office for all the windows users :) |
| 19:29.33 | JBDiGriz | The .pif files have been neutered from the lists. |
| 19:29.51 | brlcad | aww, shucks.. |
| 19:34.05 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 19:34.24 | tea|tree_ | ibot !!! |
| 19:34.25 | | tea|tree_: i haven't a clue |
| 19:34.31 | tea|tree_ | ~d |
| 19:34.41 | tea|tree_ | ~ducati6 |
| 19:34.45 | brlcad | ~bzflist |
| 19:34.55 | tea|tree_ | ~ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 19:35.06 | JBDiGriz | She's rather finicky these days. |
| 19:35.25 | tea|tree_ | hmm |
| 19:35.29 | tea|tree_ | ~ducatictf |
| 19:35.40 | tea|tree_ | ok |
| 19:35.46 | tea|tree_ | ~ducati |
| 19:35.58 | tea|tree_ | i give up |
| 19:36.05 | tea|tree_ | server down? |
| 19:36.37 | JBDiGriz | Try http://bzflag.baat.dk/new/server.php |
| 19:38.13 | JBDiGriz | ~seen [dmp] |
| 19:38.13 | | [dmp] <~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 21h 36m 37s ago, saying: 'bzchat?'. |
| 19:39.31 | brlcad | man... I *really* feel like playing right now |
| 19:41.43 | brlcad | eep! |
| 19:42.02 | JBDiGriz | Funny, you usually just sit there and laugh at me! |
| 19:42.08 | brlcad | hehe |
| 19:45.13 | bryjen | ~d6 |
| 19:45.20 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@ottawa-hs-206-191-39-29.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 19:45.49 | brlcad | hi, girl |
| 19:45.52 | bzgirl | hi |
| 19:46.06 | bryjen | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 19:46.26 | bzgirl | ~seen sn0w_m0nkey |
| 19:46.26 | | sn0w_m0nkey <~guestuser@bgp01383177bgs.montbl01.nm.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 51s ago, saying: 'urg this mozilla java stuff is killing me'. |
| 19:46.48 | bryjen | lizzards n coffee |
| 19:48.12 | bryjen | http://63.147.94.149:8080/~bzserve/defaultwords.png |
| 19:48.14 | patlabor221 | lizzards? |
| 19:48.20 | bryjen | mozilla |
| 19:48.53 | patlabor221 | hah, that got as a quote, funny |
| 19:55.43 | Bagheera | marc cohn - Turn On Your Radio |
| 19:57.25 | bryjen | she's normally so quiet, who would've thought.... ;) |
| 19:57.51 | brlcad | hehe, DTR's comment is a great developer comment |
| 19:58.00 | brlcad | that'd be perfect for the next release :) |
| 19:58.43 | brlcad | BZFlag 1.9 "Wow... I hope it all still works ;)" |
| 19:58.45 | patlabor221 | 1.9 "I hope it still works' |
| 19:59.05 | brlcad | that's right up there with "Meh.. it's good enough" |
| 19:59.36 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:59.47 | patlabor221 | or I like "good enough for you" |
| 19:59.52 | bryjen | heh |
| 19:59.59 | bzgirl | bryjen: do you mean me or chiko? |
| 20:00.37 | bzgirl | bryjen: i was quoted out of context :) |
| 20:00.39 | bryjen | Is Chik quiet ? ;) |
| 20:00.54 | brlcad | I'm quiet |
| 20:03.13 | brlcad | bzg: that sounds like a sesame street intro.. the default words for today are .... |
| 20:03.50 | brlcad | "brought to your today by the letters a, f, and b" |
| 20:03.52 | patlabor221 | This game is brought to you by the terms "suck it", and your "your cheating" |
| 20:03.54 | Bagheera | nothing beats the pinball machine and the number 11 |
| 20:04.35 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: again? |
| 20:04.40 | brlcad | JBDiGriz: did you just finish pulling it so you could play some bzflag? :) |
| 20:05.46 | JBDiGriz | No, I can't play standing out in the parking lot! |
| 20:05.56 | bryjen | No WiFi ? |
| 20:06.12 | JBDiGriz | There's a big release due, so I was polling all of the developers who are in the hot seat. |
| 20:06.28 | JBDiGriz | I should re-activate my Ricochet! |
| 20:07.01 | Bagheera | been there, done that |
| 20:07.13 | Bagheera | hot crossed buns for life |
| 20:07.32 | bryjen | more information.... |
| 20:08.19 | JBDiGriz | bryjen: Be careful, it might be more than you want to know! |
| 20:08.45 | tea|tree_ | is somebody on quakenet |
| 20:08.46 | tea|tree_ | ? |
| 20:08.50 | bryjen | it already was! |
| 20:09.02 | tea|tree_ | i think #bzflag should move to quakenet ^^ |
| 20:09.23 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 20:09.39 | tea|tree_ | because its an gameserver |
| 20:09.42 | tea|tree_ | ^^ |
| 20:09.49 | patlabor221 | and that's better? |
| 20:09.51 | tea|tree_ | and u can rent for free bots .. |
| 20:10.00 | patlabor221 | huh? |
| 20:10.04 | patlabor221 | irc bots? |
| 20:10.06 | tea|tree_ | yeah |
| 20:10.08 | tea|tree_ | 24 h |
| 20:10.12 | tea|tree_ | bots |
| 20:10.12 | patlabor221 | why do we need more bots? |
| 20:10.16 | tea|tree_ | maybe |
| 20:10.20 | patlabor221 | and bots are easy to run? |
| 20:10.28 | tea|tree_ | u dont have to to anything |
| 20:10.33 | tea|tree_ | thats from the quakenetz |
| 20:10.42 | patlabor221 | again what do we need more bots for? |
| 20:10.43 | tea|tree_ | u can only give him commands etz |
| 20:10.52 | patlabor221 | just like ibot |
| 20:10.53 | tea|tree_ | so channel wont be overtaked ^^ |
| 20:11.02 | patlabor221 | chanserv does that here |
| 20:11.10 | tea|tree_ | ChanServ is gay |
| 20:11.11 | patlabor221 | it's a network service |
| 20:11.14 | tea|tree_ | ^^ |
| 20:11.34 | patlabor221 | hey I don't make judgement about chanservs lifestyle choices |
| 20:11.48 | patlabor221 | and what the hell is ^^ ? |
| 20:12.15 | bryjen | isn't "foo is gay" the end-of-intelligent-arguement marker? |
| 20:12.22 | patlabor221 | yeah it is |
| 20:12.23 | tea|tree_ | like a simile |
| 20:12.31 | patlabor221 | why not :) |
| 20:12.36 | patlabor221 | thats a simile |
| 20:12.36 | tea|tree_ | 2 eyes |
| 20:12.43 | tea|tree_ | ^^ |
| 20:12.51 | tea|tree_ | ,^^, |
| 20:12.57 | tea|tree_ | O_o |
| 20:13.01 | patlabor221 | wow lot of space for a :) |
| 20:13.38 | patlabor221 | so you want us all to move just so you can run a bot? |
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| 20:58.40 | bzgirl | ~spell typically |
| 20:58.40 | | 'typically' may be spelled correctly |
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| 21:21.54 | bzgirl | heh |
| 21:21.57 | Bagheera | chia pet |
| 21:22.01 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@D40A3023.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 21:22.19 | patlabor221 | monchichis are oh so soft and cuddly |
| 21:22.22 | sn0w_m0nchichi | i forget who used to call me this |
| 21:22.35 | sn0w_m0nchichi | but my name is apparantly taken.. |
| 21:22.55 | sn0w_m0nchichi | well your just a kindler gentler kinda guy pat |
| 21:23.06 | bzgirl | [sn0w_m0nkey] (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) : sn0w_m0nkey your already online |
| 21:23.13 | sn0w_m0nchichi | ? |
| 21:23.16 | patlabor221 | that and I watched A LOT of TV in the 80s :) |
| 21:23.33 | sn0w_m0nchichi | tv? |
| 21:23.41 | patlabor221 | Television |
| 21:23.45 | patlabor221 | Tely |
| 21:23.48 | sn0w_m0nchichi | hehe |
| 21:23.58 | patlabor221 | Childhood brain suplement |
| 21:24.12 | sn0w_m0nchichi | hi blastard |
| 21:24.19 | sn0w_m0nchichi | uhh |
| 21:24.22 | brlcad | heh |
| 21:24.24 | sn0w_m0nchichi | ahh |
| 21:24.34 | sn0w_m0nchichi | good beer |
| 21:24.35 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 21:24.42 | brlcad | very good :) |
| 21:24.58 | brlcad | arrogant wouldn't fit |
| 21:25.11 | Bagheera | guten nacht, und.........<cheers> |
| 21:28.28 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nchichi (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.health.unm.edu) |
| 21:28.42 | sn0w_m0nchichi | strange.. |
| 21:28.43 | brlcad | need to tame that pony |
| 21:29.10 | sn0w_m0nchichi | ever see powow highway? |
| 21:29.35 | sn0w_m0nchichi | ever see pow*wow highway? |
| 21:32.51 | brlcad | nope |
| 21:33.01 | sn0w_m0nchichi | me neither |
| 21:33.04 | sn0w_m0nchichi | hehe |
| 21:33.09 | brlcad | hehe |
| 21:33.16 | brlcad | silly monkey |
| 21:40.26 | bzgirl | how can you recover a forgotten password from nickserv? or can you? |
| 21:45.51 | TimRiker | bzgirl: /msg an op like lilo and convince him of who you are. |
| 21:46.14 | sn0w_m0nchichi | lilo? |
| 21:46.17 | TimRiker | nicks do not expire on nickserv at present so you need an op. |
| 21:46.18 | bzgirl | TimRiker: heh, yeah ok..ive talked to him before |
| 21:46.27 | bzgirl | but it aint for me. |
| 21:46.36 | sn0w_m0nchichi | it be fer me |
| 21:46.41 | TimRiker | sn0w_m0nchichi: lilo is the main op on freenode |
| 21:47.03 | sn0w_m0nchichi | ok thanks tim |
| 21:47.06 | sn0w_m0nchichi | i try this |
| 21:48.06 | sn0w_m0nchichi | is he gentle like pat? |
| 21:48.10 | sn0w_m0nchichi | heh |
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| 21:52.46 | luigi | hey any admin around? |
| 21:53.10 | luigi | some guy with name +++ is killing teammates and bringing own flag to enemy |
| 21:53.13 | sn0w_m0nchichi | for what server? |
| 21:53.15 | bzgirl | what server? |
| 21:53.41 | luigi | on stonehenge |
| 21:53.47 | luigi | sorry was checking |
| 21:53.57 | luigi | can anyone kick him? |
| 21:54.01 | sn0w_m0nchichi | not me |
| 21:54.36 | sn0w_m0nchichi | vader.fugal.net |
| 21:54.44 | sn0w_m0nchichi | i havn't been there before |
| 21:54.56 | luigi | nobody? |
| 21:55.08 | luigi | ok leave it |
| 21:55.09 | luigi | thx |
| 21:55.14 | sn0w_m0nchichi | sorry dude |
| 21:55.16 | bzgirl | sry |
| 21:56.22 | luigi | its ok |
| 21:56.24 | luigi | bye |
| 22:02.08 | tea|tree_ | hui |
| 22:02.27 | tea|tree_ | where is aktually gerbil around? |
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| 22:12.01 | *** part/#bzflag Noodleman (~root@66.62.140.111) |
| 22:12.04 | creeperz | Noodleman! |
| 22:12.24 | creeperz | ? |
| 22:15.20 | *** part/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
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| 22:44.50 | learner | grumble |
| 22:45.55 | patlabor221 | self loathing? |
| 22:46.57 | learner | like a one-legged man in butt-kicking contest |
| 22:47.06 | patlabor221 | sucks to be him |
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| 23:09.50 | JBDiGriz | Lots of sucking in the world today |
| 23:10.18 | patlabor221 | the HSF is very high today |
| 23:11.46 | JBDiGriz | MSF? |
| 23:12.35 | patlabor221 | Human Stupidity Factor |
| 23:12.53 | patlabor221 | or the GDI Index |
| 23:13.00 | patlabor221 | tho they measure the same thing |
| 23:13.25 | patlabor221 | the I is idiot, I'm sure you can figure out the first 2 :) |
| 23:32.42 | larsl | ~stockholm |
| 23:32.50 | larsl | Brr. |
| 23:33.58 | larsl | ~glasstowers-hx2 |
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