irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030825

`00:00.16`	`brlcad`	`cleaning up src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx`
`00:00.34`	`brlcad`	`separated out the CmdLineOptions struct and related funcs`
`00:01.43`	`larsl`	`Oh, nice.`
`00:01.52`	`larsl`	`Will you make all the other programs use the same parser?`
`00:02.08`	`larsl`	`Or don't we have a general parser?`
`00:04.06`	`brlcad`	`we don't have a general parser afaik yet`
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`00:04.28`	`tea\|tree_`	`~`
`00:04.30`	`tea\|tree_`	`~d`
`00:04.33`	`sussudio`	`lo pigtree`
`00:04.41`	`tea\|tree_`	`hey sussudio`
`00:04.56`	`brlcad`	`i'm not cleaning it up just yet, just separating it out and figuring out and fixing all of the inadvertant dependancies that have crept in`
`00:04.56`	`larsl`	`I've almost got bzadmin working with 1.9 in the CVS tree. There's a segfault bug in there somewhere, but I think I know where to find it.`
`00:04.57`	`pig\|tree`	`:)`
`00:05.05`	`sussudio`	`=:-B`
`00:05.13`	`pig\|tree`	`:-B`
`00:06.16`	`brlcad`	`it's a good first step to cleaning it up and reworking it`
`00:06.50`	`brlcad`	`for things like a general and consistent option handling system`
`00:08.03`	`sussudio`	`hah. i knew it was a deskstar.`
`00:08.11`	`sussudio`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=986&highlight=`
`00:08.20`	`brlcad`	`i've now almost gotten bzfs.cxx down to half the size it would've been by now`
`00:08.58`	`larsl`	`Does that mean that XEmacs will syntax-color it without barfing now? =)`
`00:09.09`	`brlcad`	`heh`
`00:09.18`	`brlcad`	`xemacs barfs??`
`00:09.25`	`brlcad`	`there's a buffer setting for that`
`00:09.39`	`larsl`	`Right before you started splitting up bzfs.cxx in separate files it refused to color it.`
`00:09.43`	`larsl`	`"Buffer too large."`
`00:10.04`	`brlcad`	`yes.. there's a setting for that`
`00:10.08`	`brlcad`	`(set-variable 'font-lock-maximum-size 1024000)`
`00:10.12`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`00:13.56`	`sussudio`	`i don't think a harddisk motor will burn..... he probably smelled the logic board`
`00:20.42`	`larsl`	`Bleh, MFC.`
`00:21.11`	`larsl`	`Doesn't seem to be easy (or even legal).`
`00:21.58`	`brlcad`	`bzeditw32 needs to be merged with the linux version`
`00:22.15`	`brlcad`	`or rewritten for both`
`00:22.55`	`larsl`	`It could use SDL for displaying, or even the BZFlag display libraries.`
`00:23.37`	`brlcad`	`should be the bzflag display libraries (which needs cleaned up itself)`
`00:24.02`	`brlcad`	`sdl could always be a "platform" type in bzflag's libraries`
`00:24.06`	`sussudio`	`http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=75870&cid=6775992 < flamebait??`
`00:24.38`	`KTL`	`(if you are looking at that code, maybe you can tell me where the rotation of an obstacle is situated...:-) )`
`00:24.59`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:24.59`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:25.26`	`KTL`	`(i 've only the html-cvs form sf for bzedit, don't know yet how do get it )`
`00:25.40`	`larsl`	`KTL: Sorry, I haven't looked at the code. I just ran winemaker and saw that it needed MFC, so I gave up.`
`00:25.56`	`KTL`	`:-<`
`00:26.01`	`KTL`	`snif`
`00:26.29`	`larsl`	`Time to sleep, good night.`
`00:26.34`	`KTL`	`good idea`
`00:40.55`	`sussudio`	`http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/dubya03_[xvid-mp3].avi`
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`00:46.51`	`brlcad`	`w00t w00t!`
`00:46.55`	`brlcad`	`building again`
`00:47.09`	`brlcad`	`that was a couple thousand line feat`
`00:50.25`	`tea\|tree`	`nite`
`00:50.32`	`brlcad`	`nite tea`
`00:50.40`	`*** part/#bzflag tea\|tree (~tea\|tree@pD9E9591E.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:53.20`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): Separated out CmdLineOptions and associated functions into their own files`
`00:54.18`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): Separated out FlagInfo struct and assocated function into its own files`
`00:55.13`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): Initial VotingPoll class stubbed out`
`00:56.56`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, that's a few changes :)`
`00:57.51`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.h): initial header for bzfs includes, globals, and defines`
`00:58.01`	`brlcad`	`I'm not done :)`
`00:58.17`	`DTRemenak`	`Wow...I hope it all still works ;)`
`00:59.11`	`DTRemenak`	`They look like much-needed changes`
`01:09.23`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Big kahuna burger commit; separated out CmdLineOptions and FlagInfo structs and funcs; started migration of headers, defines, and global data into bzfs.h; initial implementation of new voting commands (/vote /poll /veto)`
`01:10.11`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (Makefile.am): added new CmdLineOptions, FlagInfo, and VotingPoll files`
`01:21.03`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): added new bzfs files`
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`01:23.06`	`Carnage`	`are any of quols admins here at the moment?`
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`01:23.37`	`brlcad`	`yes carnage?`
`01:23.42`	`brlcad`	`~quol`
`01:23.47`	`Carnage_`	`there is a tk on`
`01:23.50`	`brlcad`	`okay`
`01:23.57`	`Carnage_`	`he has an un approate name`
`01:24.06`	`Quol`	`which one CTF?`
`01:24.33`	`brlcad`	`hey, the man himself is here`
`01:24.49`	`sussudio`	`it's spooge.`
`01:26.16`	`sussudio`	`* Resolved 65.64.202.87 to adsl-65-64-202-87.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net`
`01:37.12`	`Quol`	`learner?`
`01:37.54`	`brlcad`	`yep`
`01:38.39`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (TODO): removed vote commands todo item`
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`02:05.38`	`brlcad`	`i probably would've been in a mood to play all day had I read that earlier..`
`02:06.42`	`[dmp]`	`Alot of the names he mention in the post are US-people (or people that play, when i outta sleep) . :-\`
`02:07.46`	`brlcad`	`so are a bulk of those he specifically left out ;)`
`02:07.53`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
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`02:08.51`	`[dmp]`	`I better get some sleep. Night`
`02:09.11`	`brlcad`	`g'night [dmp]`
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`02:14.13`	`doughecka`	`yay`
`02:15.39`	`brlcad`	`heh, you wouldn't like this pizza then, jb :)`
`02:16.00`	`JBDiGriz`	`probably not, you carnivore! ;-)`
`02:16.07`	`brlcad`	`bacon, beef, pepperoni, jalepe�os, and extra cheese :)`
`02:16.36`	`brlcad`	`omnivore -- I'll eat just about anything`
`02:16.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`jalepeños, red onions, and chilis, now that's a good veggie pizza!`
`02:17.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`It requires a couple of pints of good beer to go with it (usually Dos Equis)`
`02:17.38`	`brlcad`	`Well, jalepe�os make just about anything a good pizza :)`
`02:18.03`	`DTRemenak`	`brlcad's sounds good to me, if you drop the jalepenos`
`02:18.35`	`DTRemenak`	`if you ask me, they make just about anything a BAD pizza`
`02:18.41`	`brlcad`	`BAH!`
`02:19.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`DTRemenak: Are you from the midwest?`
`02:19.24`	`brlcad`	`or canada or something?`
`02:19.32`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`02:19.46`	`DTRemenak`	`nope, California...tho I'd prefer not to me associated with my "great state"`
`02:19.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`brlcad: Don't say things like that to the folks from Toronto, they have some good food around there!`
`02:20.09`	`brlcad`	`I know, I couldn't resist a jab`
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`02:20.22`	`sussudio`	`venison pizza`
`02:20.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`You're not from CA if you don't like jalepeños! ;-P`
`02:20.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`A little gamey, but I don't eat it anymore.`
`02:20.48`	`DTRemenak`	`nearly everywhere has SOME good food :)`
`02:21.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`DTRemenak: You haven't been to England, have you?`
`02:21.59`	`DTRemenak`	`nope, haven't been to England. Australia, yes; GB, no`
`02:22.41`	`DTRemenak`	`I am from CA, but no, I don't like jalepenos`
`02:22.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`I haven't been to Australia, but I hear they have a couple of good things (I don't include vegemite)`
`02:23.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`You must be from Northern California. :-P`
`02:23.51`	`brlcad`	`dang that was fast!`
`02:23.53`	`brlcad`	`it's here!`
`02:24.05`	`DTRemenak`	`bah, vegemite is tolerable the way the Aussies eat it...intolerable the way most Americans try to eat it`
`02:24.15`	`DTRemenak`	`when they say thin, they mean THIN!!!`
`02:24.23`	`DTRemenak`	`And yes, I'm a NorCal`
`02:24.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`I had an Aussie professor. He helped me in the preparation of the sandwich.`
`02:24.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`NoCal!`
`02:25.03`	`bryjen`	`~dict cal`
`02:25.31`	`DTRemenak`	`I wish it wasn't Cal :)`
`02:25.38`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm game for the whole "State of Jefferson" thing`
`02:25.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`How far north are you?`
`02:26.06`	`brlcad`	`mmmm... this pizza is great`
`02:26.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`We can hear the mooing and oinking!`
`02:26.26`	`DTRemenak`	`Just north of Sacremento, actually`
`02:26.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`I think you miss Jefferson by quite a bit if they ever succeed in creating it.`
`02:27.01`	`DTRemenak`	`You'd have to stretch the borders for Jefferson to get down here :)`
`02:27.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`You can always move up to Weed!`
`02:27.52`	`brlcad`	`mmm yummy oink`
`02:28.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`but then, you'd probably have to learn to eat jalepeños`
`02:28.09`	`sussudio`	`SQUEEEL PIGGY!`
`02:28.11`	`DTRemenak`	`I COULD, I guess...but if I was gonna move, may as well go all the way to Montana`
`02:28.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`Nice state, but rather dull. I have some relatives there.`
`02:28.47`	`DTRemenak`	`Bah, they taste terrible`
`02:29.17`	`DTRemenak`	`Dull? that's what the Internet's for, right?`
`02:29.38`	`brlcad`	`yummy --there goes the lining on my stomach and i couldn't be more content`
`02:29.54`	`JBDiGriz`	`Yes, they do have the Internet in Montana! Luckily, my entire life is not based on it. :-)`
`02:31.16`	`DTRemenak`	`How, how?!?!`
`02:31.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`Step 1. Decide that there are other exciting things besides chatting on the Internet, and programming!`
`02:32.21`	`sussudio`	`yeah, there's binary newsgroups too`
`02:32.22`	`DTRemenak`	`oh, forgot, I'm in california - s/indian/native american`
`02:32.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`Corollary, some people are just too far gone to help, put them on ignore. :-P`
`02:32.59`	`DTRemenak`	`Um, I've got a problem with step 1`
`02:32.59`	`DTRemenak`	`Programming is more exciting than chatting on the Internet, I've got that down`
`02:33.27`	`JBDiGriz`	`Bicycling is a good step 1.`
`02:33.37`	`bryjen`	`blasphemy! heresy! he's leading you astray! ;)`
`02:33.44`	`DTRemenak`	`got any suggestions for me? I never learned how to ride a bike.`
`02:34.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`Dancing is another good possibility, and it's amazing that so few men learn to dance!`
`02:34.31`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: I'm willing to try this "life" thing, but I don't think I'll like it`
`02:34.48`	`DTRemenak`	`DANCING???`
`02:35.07`	`DTRemenak`	`Like, what kind...I can do square dancing, but it's too much work`
`02:35.17`	`brlcad`	`step 2: get a spouse who will beat any former sense of self senselessly :)`
`02:35.19`	`JBDiGriz`	`How would you like cute females wanting to hold you and move in close to you?`
`02:36.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`You didn't say you were from the bay area/SF.`
`02:36.44`	`JBDiGriz`	`but that works too, it's still fun!`
`02:36.45`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm not...more Hicksville ;)`
`02:37.05`	`DTRemenak`	`REAL square dancing, with fiddle and haystacks and so on`
`02:37.16`	`DTRemenak`	`and a caller who speaks Texan`
`02:37.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`There's this thing called a swing step in square dancing. Learn it well, and it's amazing how many partners will be looking for you.`
`02:38.18`	`DTRemenak`	`hm, I'll think about it`
`02:38.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`I did international folk dance for years.`
`02:38.57`	`DTRemenak`	`But I think I'll have trouble with Step 2, also, unless Step 1 leads directly to Step 2`
`02:39.05`	`brlcad`	`jb: /me prefers merengue, tipico, y salsa`
`02:39.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`don't listen to brlcad about step 2, he's still working on step 1.`
`02:39.44`	`JBDiGriz`	`and depending on what you choose, step 1 can lead to lots of different things.`
`02:39.59`	`DTRemenak`	`ok...well...what's your version of step 2?`
`02:40.27`	`DTRemenak`	`Step 1 doesn't sound very rewarding in itself`
`02:40.44`	`DTRemenak`	`though some excersize might be good for me...nah, too much work`
`02:40.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`I travelled around the world and tried different things, bicycling in China, backpacking around the mideast, pubbing in England`
`02:41.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`I also visited various spots in all these places that had international folk dance and met many locals`
`02:41.24`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, now the world travelling thing, I could go for that`
`02:41.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`You haven't lived until the locals in Hong Kong take you out for dinner! :-)`
`02:42.07`	`sussudio`	`or make dinner out of you`
`02:42.39`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`02:43.11`	`sussudio`	`DTRemenak: you must be scared of canadians then`
`02:43.50`	`DTRemenak`	`naw, Socialism isn't quite so scary as Communism`
`02:44.18`	`DTRemenak`	`more friendly to outsiders`
`02:44.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`That would be a good step 2, open your mind and realize that people are different. Accept the differences without judging them as good/bad.`
`02:44.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`Fear is the mind-killer....`
`02:44.48`	`JBDiGriz`	`I actually joined an Australian group for the bicycle trip through China.`
`02:45.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`They wondered what I was doing there!`
`02:45.08`	`DTRemenak`	`ah, the French are always upset about something, doesn't matter what government....how many revolutions have they had?`
`02:45.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`one every day`
`02:45.26`	`brlcad`	`JBDiGriz: locals in HK !`
`02:45.37`	`sussudio`	`French are genetically programmed to go on strike for any excuse whatsoever`
`02:46.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`Fear causes people to do as many stupid things as it prevents.`
`02:46.21`	`sussudio`	`French farmers had sex with sheep in the 80's and burned the sheep (the evidence) afterwards`
`02:46.24`	`brlcad`	`indeed`
`02:46.32`	`sussudio`	`like the sheep are going to tell.`
`02:46.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`Knowledge prevents people from doing stupid things.`
`02:46.50`	`DTRemenak`	`JB: that's (re: fear) mostly true in mob situations`
`02:47.11`	`sussudio`	`JBDiGriz: that doesnt explain Gigli.`
`02:47.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen: I'm putting him on ignore after the next comment`
`02:48.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`DTRemenak: You're on the right track towards getting a life!`
`02:49.10`	`DTRemenak`	`wow...a life? I thought that was just philosophy...`
`02:50.01`	`JBDiGriz`	`Getting a life is just putting philosophy into practice.`
`02:50.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`How many of them dance/sing/play an instrument?`
`02:50.21`	`DTRemenak`	`most of them, actually`
`02:50.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's good to read books, but you're not going to meet too many people while doing it!`
`02:51.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`Are they playing/jamming with other people?`
`02:51.13`	`DTRemenak`	`I'm a clarinetist, but that doesn't mean I have a life`
`02:51.55`	`DTRemenak`	`um...only sometimes`
`02:51.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's a good challenge, and my answer will be different than yours. I'll give you mine, and you have to think about what you do with it.`
`02:52.16`	`DTRemenak`	`Ok, I can do that`
`02:52.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`I like to meet people and exchange ideas. Most people appear rather "stupid" to me, but only enmasse.`
`02:53.09`	`JBDiGriz`	`In a one-one situation, or small groups, most people have something positive to contribute.`
`02:53.19`	`JBDiGriz`	`And it's easy to ignore the ones who don't!`
`02:53.26`	`DTRemenak`	`Almost all large groups of people appear stupid`
`02:53.45`	`DTRemenak`	`and what is the advantage of meeting individuals in real life, as opposed to virtually?`
`02:53.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`I like to find what each person contributes and learn from it. Hence, I've always appreciated learner's nickname!`
`02:54.15`	`DTRemenak`	`You are contributing, even though I have never "met" you in reality`
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`02:54.46`	`DTRemenak`	`true, true`
`02:54.53`	`DTRemenak`	`speaking of...`
`02:54.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`The virtual persona can be a mask. There's nothing wrong with meeting virtually, but it's not as satisfying as sitting down over lunch and having a beer.`
`02:55.29`	`learner`	`silly ignore command.. sheesh`
`02:55.36`	`DTRemenak`	`I suppose...but can't a mask, with a brain behind it, contribute just as much as a face, with a brain behind it`
`02:55.42`	`DTRemenak`	`?`
`02:55.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`We have a nice group around here, and it's fun meeting people from this group as well.`
`02:55.54`	`DTRemenak`	`the brain is what is really important, is it not?`
`02:55.59`	`bryjen`	`and there are still _some_ people who aren't online and you won't meet them if you don't go out into real life once and a while`
`02:56.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`The brain is part of the whole, an important part, but only a part.`
`02:56.19`	`bryjen`	`;)`
`02:56.21`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: that number is dwindling rapidly`
`02:56.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`Many people have a hard time expressing themselves in this medium. They're more interesting in person/`
`02:56.49`	`DTRemenak`	`but you (bryjen) have a point, particularly in regards to elderly people`
`02:57.46`	`DTRemenak`	`JBDiGriz: Brain and soul, then...both can be expressed virtually. Of what importance is the body, in a meeting?`
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`02:58.09`	`DTRemenak`	`learner: your client is on ignore`
`02:58.31`	`bryjen`	`hear even`
`02:58.45`	`learner`	`dang that ignore ..`
`02:58.47`	`DTRemenak`	`hear odd?`
`02:58.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`There's the intellectual (brain), the spiritual (soul for lack of a better term) and the physical (body)`
`02:59.10`	`bryjen`	`hear, not here`
`02:59.46`	`DTRemenak`	`JBDiGriz: ok, that's true: but does what I look like matter to this conversation, or any other`
`03:00.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`It might make a difference to you, and it would certainly make a difference to how you are perceived.`
`03:00.40`	`DTRemenak`	`Why?`
`03:02.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`If I type, paying attention to spelling, you are more likely to listen to my ideas than if I start trying to type hacker 133t.`
`03:02.15`	`bryjen`	`body language and facial expressions as oppsed to _/fonts/_ and smilies`
`03:02.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`The ideas haven't changed, but you're perception has.`
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`03:02.41`	`brlcad`	`grr..`
`03:02.57`	`DTRemenak`	`not necessarily, but in some situations, yes`
`03:03.05`	`JBDiGriz`	`If I am speaking to you in person, you can tell a lot more about me and my intentions than over this chat.`
`03:03.54`	`brlcad`	`tet`
`03:04.01`	`sussudio`	`tit`
`03:04.01`	`brlcad`	`test ..`
`03:04.07`	`learner`	`alrighty`
`03:04.15`	`DTRemenak`	`But much of what I pick up, is likely to be just as incorrect as if you had created a "virtual persona" and just plain lied about it`
`03:04.31`	`DTRemenak`	`can you hear me now?`
`03:04.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`Is it easier to pick up the lies with more information?`
`03:06.45`	`bryjen`	`some things a person couldn't lie about in person.`
`03:06.58`	`DTRemenak`	`not necessarily....say I was really from Utah, and just said I was from Northern California. I could meet you in, say, Weed, and you'd not know the difference.`
`03:07.06`	`sussudio`	`like 'read my lips - no new taxes'?`
`03:07.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen hasn't spent enough time in San Francisco! ;-)`
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`03:07.30`	`DTRemenak`	`On the other hand, when I'm online, you can look up my IP address and SEE that I'm from northern Californai`
`03:07.39`	`bryjen`	`and some people aren't good liars, the fidget or aren't convincing`
`03:07.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`I would probably pick up on the differences during the course of the conversation.`
`03:07.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`On the other hand, your IP traces out to San Jose.`
`03:08.15`	`DTRemenak`	`If I told you I was white, and was in fact black, that would be harder to verify...but it would be insubstantial and irrelevant as well`
`03:08.27`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are actually north of Sacramento! ;-)`
`03:09.01`	`Patlabor221`	`my Ip used to show up as being in Cupertino`
`03:09.25`	`JBDiGriz`	`That depends as well, many people are very proud of their background and don't feel that it is insubstantial or irrelevant to their personal philosophy.`
`03:09.42`	`DTRemenak`	`But you can tell that I'm NOT in Utah, unless I'm making a VERY EXPENSIVE long distance call`
`03:09.52`	`bryjen`	`lieing about some details, like appearance, is possible. Putting on a whole other personality and sticking to it takes a bit more effort`
`03:09.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`My feelings on whether you're black/white/purple probably are irrelevant.`
`03:10.26`	`DTRemenak`	`But if you are proud of your background, and think it is relevant, then you can just goddamn SAY so`
`03:10.41`	`bryjen`	`and there are people who are duplicitous IRL too`
`03:11.05`	`sussudio`	`d*** = duck?`
`03:11.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`I would actually care to see that, can you take a picture?`
`03:11.17`	`bryjen`	`yeah. you were just green afore. glowing abit? ;)`
`03:11.24`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, that's it`
`03:11.36`	`JBDiGriz`	`Deep breaths, 1, 2, in, out.`
`03:11.45`	`sussudio`	`it's coming along nicely mrs`
`03:11.51`	`DTRemenak`	`Yeah, I can take a picture`
`03:11.52`	`sussudio`	`now push`
`03:11.57`	`learner`	`lol, jb :)`
`03:13.16`	`bryjen`	`ah, learner lives!`
`03:13.27`	`learner`	`:) finally..`
`03:13.31`	`DTRemenak`	`or, at least, hears.`
`03:13.33`	`sussudio`	`DTRemenak: the COMMIES are coming!`
`03:13.40`	`learner`	`or, at least, reads.`
`03:13.43`	`DTRemenak`	`Ah, we can take'em`
`03:13.54`	`DTRemenak`	`I stand corrected :)`
`03:13.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`Some more of my personal philosophy. If I find myself getting excited/upset in a conversation, I back up and determine if I'm saying more than I can justify to myself.`
`03:15.14`	`DTRemenak`	`JB: Yes, it's necessary to reexamine one's arguments when you're getting excited...sometimes they start to lose thier logical coherency`
`03:15.46`	`DTRemenak`	`That's why I stopped...once I start swearing, I'm too excited to think rationally`
`03:15.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`I thought there was only one male wizard and Avalon?`
`03:15.57`	`DTRemenak`	`Since, if I'm thinking rationally, I don't swear.`
`03:16.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`s/and/on/p`
`03:16.05`	`Patlabor221`	`there are many`
`03:16.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`Who was there besides Merlin?`
`03:16.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`female wizards are usually called witches.`
`03:16.45`	`DTRemenak`	`you aren't from San Francisco, are you?`
`03:16.46`	`bryjen`	`more information than _i_ wanted...`
`03:16.58`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`03:17.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`rotflmao!`
`03:17.10`	`Patlabor221`	`the male wizards look stupid`
`03:17.15`	`sussudio`	`~tube Patlabor221`
`03:17.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`Hmph!`
`03:17.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`~jbdigriz`
`03:17.38`		`"Do not meddle in the affairs of wizards, for they are subtle and quick to anger!"`
`03:18.03`	`Patlabor221`	`'specaily those who are fire specialists`
`03:18.25`	`sussudio`	`i'd worry about the wizards who wear no pants.`
`03:18.48`	`Patlabor221`	`got the pants`
`03:19.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`So does my dog!`
`03:19.18`	`sussudio`	`are they dogpants or humanpants?`
`03:20.08`	`sussudio`	`if there's nobody around to see them, are you still wearing pants?`
`03:20.28`	`DTRemenak`	`If you are around to see them, you are`
`03:20.34`	`DTRemenak`	`if you are not around, it's irrelevant`
`03:20.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's the bonus of this medium. It's easier to continue a philosophical discussion in a pub, with a pint, playing darts.`
`03:21.44`	`DTRemenak`	`in some ways...but IRC can be logged, too, meaning that if we were interrupted by the pub burning down, we could look at the last few lines and resume said discussion at a later date`
`03:21.58`	`DTRemenak`	`plus, here you don't have to worry about stray darts`
`03:22.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`I've often met friends at a pub, and we continue the discussion. It's true that the log helps, but we rarely use it to start another discussion.`
`03:23.23`	`JBDiGriz`	`Of course, we sometimes just start singing Tom Lehrer songs as well!`
`03:24.13`	`DTRemenak`	`yeah, things can degenerate in any situation, except a totally closed one`
`03:24.27`	`DTRemenak`	`and even in a totally closed one, come to think of it`
`03:26.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`Going back to the physical aspect being important to having a life, which do you prefer, travelling alone, or travelling with a companion?`
`03:26.29`	`DTRemenak`	`alone`
`03:26.51`	`DTRemenak`	`more flexibility`
`03:27.01`	`JBDiGriz`	`Interesting, I prefer having a companion to share things with. That's part of the difference in philosophy.`
`03:27.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's nice for me to stop and look at a sunset, and point it out to someone else.`
`03:27.36`	`DTRemenak`	`but then, maybe I'm not the ideal subject for a survey...I've been called antisocial`
`03:27.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`Are you sure that isn't antisocialist?`
`03:28.08`	`DTRemenak`	`I also strongly dislike having my picture taken`
`03:28.17`	`DTRemenak`	`well, both, actually`
`03:28.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`You're clearly not completely antisocial, you're spending time in this channel sharing ideas.`
`03:28.44`	`DTRemenak`	`mmmm, true`
`03:29.00`	`DTRemenak`	`ideas are important`
`03:29.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`Maybe the physical aspect of life troubles you?`
`03:29.30`	`DTRemenak`	`I would venture to say, more important than people`
`03:30.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's hard to judge, can you have ideas without people? Certainly you can have people without ideas.`
`03:30.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`Hyman Rickover once said: 'Small minds discuss people, mediocre minds discuss events, great minds discuss ideas'`
`03:31.12`	`fiberchunks_`	`regretfully, I fall into the first and second category more than the third`
`03:31.26`	`DTRemenak`	`people without ideas are no better than animals`
`03:31.26`	`DTRemenak`	`ideas without people make whatever has them, more than it was before`
`03:31.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`You seem to be comfortable with your intellectual self. We haven't really delved into the spiritual, but you seem uncomfortable with the physical aspect.`
`03:32.04`	`DTRemenak`	`mmm, I like that quote, fiber!`
`03:32.41`	`DTRemenak`	`Ah...I dunno, it's just that physical things are so...impermanent`
`03:33.02`	`DTRemenak`	`ideas stick around`
`03:33.10`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed, the physical is always imperamence, that is why we search for permanence (or control, as some might say)`
`03:33.24`	`DTRemenak`	`I believe my soul will "stick around" too, at least until the Rapture`
`03:34.01`	`DTRemenak`	`LOL!`
`03:34.32`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm not sure I'm searching for permanence anymore. I'm comfortable with the knowledge that things change.`
`03:35.39`	`fiberchunks_`	`and good evening all (how rude of me ) ;)`
`03:35.45`	`DTRemenak`	`That's one reason I don't like the word "troubles"...I'm comfortable with that fact that physical things change, and therefore I don't really care about them`
`03:35.55`	`fiberchunks_`	`apathy?`
`03:36.15`	`DTRemenak`	`I have friends who are hardware-crazy`
`03:36.42`	`learner`	`howdy again fiber :)`
`03:36.47`	`DTRemenak`	`moin, fiber`
`03:36.56`	`fiberchunks_`	`I think, from recent discussions with close friends and reexaming old texts I haven't read in a while, that apathy stems from a distinct lack of happiness`
`03:37.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`moin moin DTR - I often forget that there are others on this planet in different timezones ;)`
`03:37.21`	`DTRemenak`	`but I don't really care about hardware...I mean, fast hardware's nice and all, but the software, the ideas, are more important`
`03:37.21`	`DTRemenak`	`Are you looking for MAC, or suggesting that I'm apathetic?`
`03:37.36`	`fiberchunks_`	`apathy, not the cream, the concept ;)`
`03:37.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`or from a feeling of lack of control, and therefore a rejection of the concept?`
`03:38.02`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`03:38.56`	`fiberchunks_`	`currently, I'm reading a book by the Dalai Lama, called 'The Art of Happiness' -- it is a wonderful piece of work, imho, and I suggest it if you're looking for some good thought`
`03:39.43`	`DTRemenak`	`fiber: moin is german slang for "good day", not a reference to morning hours`
`03:39.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`Clearly, you can't have one without the other, and if you focus on one side to the rejection of the other, you have nothing.`
`03:40.05`	`sussudio`	`i think americans would be happier with buddhism... they're already half way there with being morbidly obese like buddha`
`03:40.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`DTR -- ah, shoot -- my slang ain't so good no more ;)`
`03:40.17`	`DTRemenak`	`:)`
`03:40.23`	`sussudio`	`....one......more.......taco.....`
`03:40.31`	`fiberchunks_`	`I am morbidly obese`
`03:40.38`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks_: want some fries with that?`
`03:40.46`	`fiberchunks_`	`no, just had dinner thanks ;)`
`03:40.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`or they could be referring to universal greeting time (UGT) which specifys it's morning when you sign on.`
`03:40.50`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: Don't forget the gravy.`
`03:40.58`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks_: oh come on, just an afterdinner mint.`
`03:41.07`	`sussudio`	`ElectricElf: Noooooo not the gravy!`
`03:41.09`	`fiberchunks_`	`'I couldn't eat another bite'`
`03:41.32`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: Is that from a movie? If so, which one? (I can't remember the title, but somebody used that in a movie at which point somebody else blew up.)`
`03:41.42`	`fiberchunks_`	`monty python's 'meaning of life'`
`03:41.50`	`sussudio`	`ElectricElf: the afterdinner mint is from MP meaning of life.....`
`03:41.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`one thin mint?`
`03:41.56`	`ElectricElf`	`Right, that was it. I knew it was funny enough to cause me to pass out.`
`03:42.09`	`sussudio`	`the gravy comment could be from a cartoon......`
`03:42.28`	`ElectricElf`	`DTRemenak: Hahaha`
`03:42.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`it's the same one, and will reoccur after popping the stack`
`03:42.44`	`ElectricElf`	`DTRemenak: Come ON! How could a discussion involving Monty Python _not_ be philsophical?`
`03:42.52`	`DTRemenak`	`not that I'm implying MP isn't philosophicla`
`03:42.58`	`DTRemenak`	`lol`
`03:43.00`	`ElectricElf`	`DTRemenak: I should hope not.`
`03:43.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`DTRemenak: even "The Life of Brian"`
`03:43.31`	`DTRemenak`	`is it a coincidence?`
`03:43.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`~spell philosophical`
`03:43.39`		`'philosophical' may be spelled correctly`
`03:44.00`	`DTRemenak`	`may be? ibot isn't usually one to be indecisive`
`03:44.13`	`bryjen`	`is there coincidence?`
`03:44.28`	`sussudio`	`reporter to farmer: "but why don't you stop them? they're killing themselves!" farmer: "they might actually succeed"`
`03:44.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`another good philosophical challenge!`
`03:44.48`	`DTRemenak`	`There might be coincidence`
`03:45.19`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: I think it's just a coincidence.`
`03:45.21`	`sussudio`	`you know the US actually had a army of trained bats in WW2`
`03:45.22`	`DTRemenak`	`personally, I believe some situations are coincidence, while others are divine intervention`
`03:45.36`	`sussudio`	`they gave em firebombs, which they'd drop on buildings`
`03:46.02`	`sussudio`	`i'd say a swarm of 100.000 bats would probably cause the germans to run anyway`
`03:46.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`the joys of dialup!`
`03:46.38`	`DTRemenak`	`JB: 33.6 nonetheless`
`03:46.40`	`bryjen`	`more impermanence`
`03:46.52`	`DTRemenak`	`and through a P-133 router`
`03:47.15`	`DTRemenak`	`which is shared with another computer which shouldn't be causing any internet traffic right now`
`03:47.28`	`fiberchunks_`	`and sussudio: buddha was not fat, you're thinking of hotai, the god of happiness (a representation of buddha-nature, but not, per-se, buddha himself)`
`03:47.30`	`bryjen`	`should is a dirty word`
`03:47.51`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks_: you're saying buddha was just big-boned?`
`03:48.00`	`DTRemenak`	`bryjen: it's perfectly appropriate when speaking of microsoft operating systems :)`
`03:48.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`The P133 won't event notice it, I'm still using a 486 as a backup dialup router.`
`03:48.29`	`sussudio`	`i had a 486-66 as a dialup router`
`03:48.37`	`DTRemenak`	`0.2% CPU ute`
`03:48.46`	`DTRemenak`	`nope, not noticing it`
`03:48.54`	`DTRemenak`	`but there's still a delay`
`03:49.02`	`sussudio`	`i'd still use it for my cablemodem if l2tpd wouldn't have used up to 80% of its cpu :-P`
`03:49.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks is a good source of philosophy and spirituality!`
`03:49.34`	`fiberchunks_`	`surprised? ;)`
`03:49.51`	`sussudio`	`where do all the missing socks go?`
`03:50.06`	`DTRemenak`	`There's also a decent delay because it's a running an ISA modem and an ISA NIC over a PCI mezziane bus`
`03:50.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`just commenting, and giving some positive feedback! Most people don't understand any of the buddha-nature.`
`03:50.29`	`fiberchunks_`	`just joshin ya ;)`
`03:50.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`Note I didn't use the religious term! ;-)`
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`03:51.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`He's back!`
`03:51.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: who was the two-faced god?`
`03:51.47`	`Patlabor221`	`jannus`
`03:51.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`religion, with very few exceptions (and all of those eastern) is a tool for societal control, imho`
`03:51.56`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed`
`03:51.57`	`fiberchunks_`	`janus`
`03:52.02`	`sussudio`	`wasn't he in a star trek episode?`
`03:52.09`	`fiberchunks_`	`the roman name, can't remember the greek name`
`03:52.12`	`Patlabor221`	`no buffy the vampire slayer`
`03:52.20`	`sussudio`	`no, i'm pretty sure he was`
`03:52.29`	`sussudio`	`the one with the gods that went to a different planet`
`03:52.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`learner is showing two faces to us right now!`
`03:52.38`	`sussudio`	`who mourns for adonis`
`03:52.42`	`DTRemenak`	`sussudio: most scifi borrows quite a bit from greek philosophy`
`03:52.56`	`sussudio`	`or maybe it was apollo`
`03:53.06`	`DTRemenak`	`and that was Apollo's Planet`
`03:53.34`	`DTRemenak`	`I don't remember if Janus (or his greek namesake) was one of the original immigrants or now`
`03:53.38`	`DTRemenak`	`s/now/not`
`03:54.00`	`DTRemenak`	`he doesn't stick around long, does he`
`03:54.05`	`fiberchunks_`	`learner are you multitasking again?`
`03:54.05`	`bryjen`	`and then he was one`
`03:54.06`	`fiberchunks_`	`;)`
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`03:55.16`	`bryjen`	`there's your life passing slowly before your eyes`
`03:55.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`oi -- /me suggests gentoo DTR ;)`
`03:55.40`	`DTRemenak`	`fiber: I suggest broadband for myself :)`
`03:55.48`	`fiberchunks_`	`that works too`
`03:55.55`	`DTRemenak`	`Actually, SuSE did pretty well, considering`
`03:56.09`	`DTRemenak`	`but RedHat's being SLOOOWW`
`03:56.25`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm going to go shoot my teammates for a bit. We can continue the philosophy later!`
`03:56.28`	`DTRemenak`	`that's what I get for running three distros on the same computer, eh?`
`03:56.40`	`DTRemenak`	`JB: have fun :)`
`03:56.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`I always do! ;-)`
`03:57.05`	`Patlabor221`	`redhat has been the only linux to break the anti-linux curse I have. Tho that may prove it's not real linux`
`03:57.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`you never got into gentoo (heheh, this should start something interesting) ;)`
`03:57.39`	`DTRemenak`	`Patlabor: redhat has given me more trouble than...no, won't go that far...than any other non-microsoft OS except Debian`
`03:57.59`	`DTRemenak`	`Fiber: it should, but I'm not really up for it right now`
`03:58.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I couldn't get anything other then RH to install`
`03:58.12`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's been good`
`03:58.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`:)`
`03:58.19`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I don't do much with it`
`03:58.19`	`DTRemenak`	`I ran Debian for a while, and then threw it out`
`03:58.23`	`fiberchunks_`	`well, then it's a start`
`03:58.32`	`Patlabor221`	`debian would crash when building BZ`
`03:58.37`	`Patlabor221`	`would restart the machine`
`03:58.50`	`DTRemenak`	`debian would crash more often than that :)`
`03:59.02`	`DTRemenak`	`SuSE has worked wonderfully for me`
`03:59.21`	`Patlabor221`	`redhat has purdy clicky things`
`03:59.26`	`DTRemenak`	`If I was to recommend a distribution (not that I would do such a thing :) ) that would be the one`
`03:59.47`	`DTRemenak`	`patlabor: if you're looking for beauty, install BeOS :)`
`04:00.00`	`fiberchunks_`	`I used RH, Mandrake, debian, (most rpm based distros cept for Suse), slackware, and even LFS, but gentoo (if you've broadband), imho, is the best -- package management wise`
`04:00.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I liked the apt thing`
`04:00.34`	`Patlabor221`	`just gentoo made me type during the install`
`04:00.40`	`DTRemenak`	`I liked SuSE best, out of RedHat, Mandrake, Debian, Slackware, and SuSE`
`04:00.40`	`Patlabor221`	`and I allways screw up those typing parts`
`04:00.46`	`fiberchunks_`	`gentoo takes apt a bit further (you can even use the debian tools on gentoo packages)`
`04:00.51`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`04:01.03`	`DTRemenak`	`Slackware was cool, as far as an OS, but I hated installing everything out of .tar.gzs`
`04:01.20`	`fiberchunks_`	`then don't try gentoo (although it is entirely automatic)`
`04:01.22`	`DTRemenak`	`Debian crashed so much I didn't really get a feel for .debs`
`04:01.45`	`DTRemenak`	`I liked old RPM versions, RPM 4 tends to frustrate me :(`
`04:02.21`	`bryjen`	`the file format of the packages isn't the problem.`
`04:02.44`	`DTRemenak`	`the package managers themselves are`
`04:02.49`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed`
`04:03.07`	`fiberchunks_`	`the biggest problem with rpms is the utter lack of 'reliable' dependency checking`
`04:03.16`	`DTRemenak`	`But since the format and the managers go hand in hand 90+% of the time...`
`04:03.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`gentoo is significantly advanced in dependency resolution`
`04:03.45`	`DTRemenak`	`Fiber: true about RPMs...dependency checking is a little weird, if you aren't installing an RPM specifically for your distro`
`04:03.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed, I dunno if .rpm spec files can take in dependencies, and then grab them as necessary`
`04:04.33`	`DTRemenak`	`AFAIK, rpm can't fetch dependencies...unless you're using YaST :)`
`04:04.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`DTRemenak: even then, rpm's leave a lot to be desired, imho -- mandrake was usually a bear when it came to getting dependencies correct (or even getting them at all)`
`04:05.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`tried suse eons ago, then found and stuck with mandrake (most windows-like, I suppose)`
`04:05.34`	`DTRemenak`	`The biggest problem with mandrake was that they based their distro off redhat, then moved a whole bunch of directories around`
`04:05.47`	`DTRemenak`	`so nothing was where /etc/redhat-version said it should be`
`04:06.21`	`fiberchunks_`	`one of the largest irritations about linux distros is the lack of a filesystem standard (which, of course, is coming to fruition in the FHS)`
`04:06.37`	`DTRemenak`	`yes indeed`
`04:06.55`	`DTRemenak`	`I think UnitedLinux will get to it faster though`
`04:07.16`	`fiberchunks_`	`I'm not sure how I feel about UnitedLinux, frankly -- but that's another story`
`04:07.20`	`DTRemenak`	`They're supposed to be standardizing organization between their distros`
`04:07.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`that's fine, as long as they absolutely follow the FHS`
`04:07.49`	`DTRemenak`	`I like it, personally (xcept for SCO)...but that IS another story`
`04:08.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`right, that's my feelings on it -- however, I would also like to not see a large consortium such as that declare arbitrary standards that become 'de-facto' standards, if you get my drift`
`04:09.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`I would really like (mostly as an academic exercise) to see the HURD get itself together`
`04:09.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh, I will, one of these days`
`04:09.44`	`DTRemenak`	`Ugh, so you're one of THOSE people`
`04:09.47`	`DTRemenak`	`j/k`
`04:09.56`	`bryjen`	`~dict academic`
`04:10.18`	`bryjen`	`~dict 4 academic`
`04:10.33`	`bryjen`	`hmm, not in order`
`04:11.19`	`fiberchunks_`	`mmm, another religious war begins ;)`
`04:11.32`	`DTRemenak`	`yes indeed`
`04:11.39`	`DTRemenak`	`did I mention that I prefer vi?`
`04:12.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`bah, without the FSF, you I or anyone else wouldn't even dream of being able to even _have_ an alternative - they have achieved mountains with that philosophy`
`04:12.27`	`fiberchunks_`	`emacs! (just kidding -- I like vi too ;) )`
`04:13.13`	`DTRemenak`	`fiber: um, the only real contribution the FSF has made is the GPL/LGPL...and we only had to wait a little while for the Apache and Academic Free licenses`
`04:13.44`	`DTRemenak`	`Personally, I'm an Academic Free License fan`
`04:14.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`pardon, but all the compiler tools, automake, autoconf, emacs, etc were contributed by Herr Stallman and cohorts, the primary believers in the FSF philosophy`
`04:14.12`	`DTRemenak`	`It has most of the benefits of the MIT/BSD and apache licenses without the drawbacks`
`04:14.34`	`DTRemenak`	`but cc was around, and BSD licensed, before gcc came around`
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`04:15.23`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed, but stallman / FSF were the driving force behind those tools that we have today, in the sense of freedom that we have today as a direct results of his/their efforts`
`04:15.47`	`fiberchunks_`	`not that I don't like other license terms ... I'm quite fond of the creativecommons.org licenses`
`04:15.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`and the freedom they afford`
`04:16.15`	`DTRemenak`	`Don't get me wrong, the FSF has contributed a lot, but i think it still WOULD have been contributed, in other ways, were the FSF not the FSF`
`04:16.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`I dunno about that one -- but you may or may not be correct (how's that for ambiguity ;) )`
`04:17.06`	`DTRemenak`	`That's pretty good in the ambiguity department, yes`
`04:17.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`flow like water, grasshopper ;)`
`04:17.41`	`DTRemenak`	`lol`
`04:17.56`	`DTRemenak`	`well, I should really be running off to bed now`
`04:18.05`	`fiberchunks_`	`take it easy :)`
`04:18.15`	`sussudio`	`why? is it a bed with wheel and it's going downhill?`
`04:18.24`	`DTRemenak`	`nice chatting with ya tho...and next time, we'll have to find some emacs supporter to rag on :)`
`04:18.42`	`fiberchunks_`	`talk to learner -- he's rabid about it ;)`
`04:18.51`	`DTRemenak`	`really...that should be fun`
`04:19.55`	`DTRemenak`	`anyhow, g'night all`
`04:20.00`	`fiberchunks_`	`nite`
`04:20.13`	`bryjen`	`'night`
`04:27.44`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): Clean up after the learned one`
`04:28.39`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (2 files): Clean up after the learned one`
`04:31.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmmm, bzfs.cxx 5013--> sendMessage(ServerPlayer, t, "Unknown command [%s]", message+1);`
`04:31.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`that seems wrong`
`04:41.04`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Clean up after the learned one`
`04:45.37`	`sussudio`	`yes, that seems very wrong (in a tone that is normally used when a car mechanic points at stuff under the hood and you just go uh huh uh huh yes)`
`04:48.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`the bunnies pointed it out to me`
`04:52.03`	`sussudio`	`the bunnies told me to eat my pillow, they said it was a giant mashmellow`
`04:52.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`was it any good?`
`04:52.36`	`sussudio`	`yeah, could've used some more sugar`
`04:54.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton, put in a vote for it then :)`
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`05:03.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`~bzflist`
`05:27.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`that was a pleasant diversion!`
`05:27.07`	`learner`	`indeed`
`05:27.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`You're still two-faced!`
`05:27.49`	`learner`	`I'm innocent!`
`05:28.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`You should have shown up as Janus!`
`05:28.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`janus`
`05:28.35`	`learner`	`~dict janus`
`05:28.49`	`fiberchunks_`	`I fear I have led DTR to question your emacsen ability when he next sees you learner`
`05:28.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`;)`
`05:29.03`	`learner`	`lol, how so?`
`05:29.33`	`learner`	`i gave him a little snippit for his buffer font-locking`
`05:29.38`	`fiberchunks_`	`he and I were having fun with VI, and I mentioned in passing that you use emacs ;)`
`05:30.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`And what's he going to say about me?`
`05:30.50`	`learner`	`I use vi when I have to, but I emacs when I can or have a choice :)`
`05:31.25`	`fiberchunks_`	`dunno -- didn't know you used emacs too jbd ;)`
`05:31.38`	`fiberchunks_`	`otherwise I would've lumped you in with the 'heathen' ;)`
`05:31.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm bi-editorial! ;-)`
`05:31.41`	`learner`	`GMTA`
`05:32.20`	`fiberchunks_`	`GMTA?`
`05:32.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`~gmta`
`05:32.30`		`gmta is, like, Great Minds Think Alike`
`05:32.34`	`fiberchunks_`	`lol`
`05:32.38`	`fiberchunks_`	`bah`
`05:32.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, lobotomy`
`05:32.39`		`I feel different somehow.`
`05:32.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`I've also had arguments with both Stallman and Joy.`
`05:33.08`	`fiberchunks_`	`'I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy`
`05:33.10`	`fiberchunks_`	`'`
`05:33.19`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (13 files in 4 dirs): Radar now respects WorldSize`
`05:33.20`	`JBDiGriz`	`~fiberchunks`
`05:33.25`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh no`
`05:33.33`	`learner`	`13 files...`
`05:34.05`	`JBDiGriz`	`ibot, fiberchunks is <reply> I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me, than a prefrontal lobotomy.`
`05:34.07`		`okay, JBDiGriz`
`05:34.11`	`MrApathyCream`	`"subplot --> worldsize moved to BZDB"`
`05:34.28`	`learner`	`ah`
`05:35.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: go ahead, try it!`
`05:35.14`	`fiberchunks_`	`~fiberchunks`
`05:35.14`		`I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me, than a prefrontal lobotomy.`
`05:35.20`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`05:35.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`ibot, botsnack`
`05:35.51`		`JBDiGriz: thanks`
`05:37.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`After chika started hosing around with the bot command, i spent a bit of time reading the documents`
`05:37.45`	`learner`	`link?`
`05:37.47`	`fiberchunks_`	`where are these mysterious documents?`
`05:37.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, help?`
`05:37.53`		`WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS`
`05:38.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, documentation?`
`05:38.04`		`it has been said that documentation is not the issue for why the new stuff isn't completed`
`05:38.12`	`learner`	`ibot: eat the documentation`
`05:38.13`		`ACTION eats the documentation and falls over dead`
`05:38.14`	`fiberchunks_`	`bahaahahahahahahaha`
`05:38.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`does that apply to bz, or ibot?`
`05:38.47`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's a blootbot, and I found some from source forge and google`
`05:39.08`	`learner`	`~google blootbot`
`05:39.25`	`JBDiGriz`	`The proxs bot was a pbotty, and is being switched to a mozbot`
`05:39.26`	`learner`	`uh oh...`
`05:39.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`who's written the doc for rabbit? Come on, fessy up!`
`05:39.46`	`learner`	`there's a rabit doc?`
`05:40.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`never have two rabbits on the same site!`
`05:41.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`When it's up, try http://www.infobot.org/`
`05:43.10`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): added vote, poll, and veto options`
`05:43.23`	`JBDiGriz`	`Pbotty http://www.linuxiqs.com/pbotty/ (I really like this name, think sherman)`
`05:44.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`mozbot http://www.mozilla.org/projects/mozbot/`
`05:44.56`	`Patlabor221`	`~ibot`
`05:44.56`		`ibot is, like, a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`05:45.18`	`Patlabor221`	`~man ibot`
`05:45.33`	`learner`	`~rm ibot`
`05:45.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`Then again, you can ask one of the real admins and they could probably point you towards real docs! ;-)`
`05:46.17`	`Patlabor221`	`there are no real admins here`
`05:46.21`	`Patlabor221`	`just a ghost`
`05:46.27`	`JBDiGriz`	`Patlabor221: Are you still gender challenged?`
`05:47.03`	`Patlabor221`	`hey if you had to look at a rear end runnin around, woudln't you prefer a female rear as compared to a male rear?`
`05:47.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`I've been playing bz, those tanks all look the same to me!`
`05:47.41`	`learner`	`"tank tops"`
`05:47.58`	`Patlabor221`	`there are othe games out there ya know :)`
`05:48.01`	`JBDiGriz`	`learner: On the rears? I think you've had one beer too many!`
`05:48.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`"cheerleader skirts"`
`05:49.00`	`JBDiGriz`	`All the other games I play tend to be off the machine.`
`05:49.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`message lilo`
`05:49.20`	`Patlabor221`	`well there are other games on the machine`
`05:49.38`	`Patlabor221`	`some that I think we all should do well to look at, and take cues from.`
`05:49.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`Yeah, but I really do other things too!`
`05:49.43`	`fiberchunks_`	`I play games in my mind with my other personalities`
`05:49.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`captain_proton: are those your cues?`
`05:50.06`	`Patlabor221`	`Fiber is his own Masivly Multiplayer Online Role playing Game`
`05:50.18`	`learner`	`cues.. mmm.. pool`
`05:50.33`	`learner`	`pat: in realtime :)`
`05:50.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`Another line from Nick Danger, I suppose cap'n isn't around to appreciate it!`
`05:50.50`	`Patlabor221`	`there are non realtime ones?`
`05:51.19`	`fiberchunks_`	`mmmm, billiards -- who wants to go $5 a ball $20 on the 9 ?`
`05:51.42`	`learner`	`heh`
`05:51.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`learner when you do checkins are you setting unix line endings?`
`05:51.47`	`JBDiGriz`	`Too many sharks in the water!`
`05:52.01`	`learner`	`i read that`
`05:52.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`come on, I only been playing since about 6 yrs old ;)`
`05:52.21`	`learner`	`mac, should be`
`05:52.27`	`learner`	`something else get in?`
`05:52.39`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm slow night there are only 37,000 people playing the game I just left.`
`05:52.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`seems like they're not....`
`05:52.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`learner, MrApathyCream: mac and unix line endings are the same now.`
`05:52.50`	`learner`	`which files`
`05:53.09`	`learner`	`JBDiGriz: pb can be annoyingly "dual-ending"..`
`05:53.21`	`learner`	`but i didn't create any files in pb..`
`05:53.23`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): tankAngVel to BZDB`
`05:53.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`only if the input file came from the dos world.`
`05:53.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`VotingPoll.cxx for instance`
`05:54.13`	`Patlabor221`	`the vars file is server side?`
`05:54.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`email nots are slow tonite`
`05:54.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221, yes`
`05:54.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`bzfs -vars vars.txt`
`05:54.35`	`learner`	`my local file is unix ending..`
`05:54.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm, odd`
`05:54.48`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm updating, I'll check in a second`
`05:54.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`format`
`05:55.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`set _tankAngVel 300`
`05:55.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`or whatever`
`05:55.31`	`MrApathyCream`	`%Not sure how server op knows what variables are available tho`
`05:56.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`My votingpoll.cxx isn't very long, but it's definitely unix line ending.`
`06:01.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`shrug`
`06:03.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`pat see the ground bounces, look ok to you?`
`06:05.56`	`Patlabor221`	`haven't looked`
`06:05.57`	`CIA`	`03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): update the true documentation center`
`06:06.37`	`captain_proton`	`MrApathyCream: did you fix whatever bug was causing the random incorrect reflections?`
`06:06.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`no... that wasn't my code, i was just generating the normal`
`06:07.06`	`MrApathyCream`	`i don't think i could screw up a normal of 0,0,1`
`06:07.29`	`Patlabor221`	`coudl, for very small values of 1`
`06:07.48`	`MrApathyCream`	`if i had to guess, it's in the reflect method`
`06:08.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`SegmentedShotStrategy::reflect that is`
`06:10.04`	`Patlabor221`	`what server has fliped pyramids?`
`06:10.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`xmission maybe?`
`06:11.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`you don't need inverted pyrs, just shoot into one that reflects off a ceiling back to the gorund`
`06:17.15`	`captain_proton`	`reading my scrollback a tad, i think we need massively multiplayer online hunt the wumpus`
`06:18.13`	`JBDiGriz`	`captain_proton: If you're reading the scrollback, I'm surprised you haven't pulled your cues out of the cellophane!`
`06:19.22`	`captain_proton`	`a whole new genre! MMORPGs are old news, MMOHTW is the future`
`06:21.36`	`captain_proton`	`the arrow falls to the ground at your feet!`
`06:21.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`it should have gone through caves 5,4,7,8,9!`
`06:23.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`Zap - super bat snatch! Elsewhereville for you!`
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`06:35.29`	`captain_proton`	`hrmph`
`06:51.48`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (2 files): added defaults constructor elements`
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`08:27.06`	`bomber`	`moin`
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`10:44.23`	`Chikorita`	`~d`
`10:45.01`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: botsnack`
`10:45.01`		`Chikorita: :)`
`10:45.07`	`Chikorita`	`:)`
`10:45.34`	`Chikorita`	`~Chikorita`
`10:45.35`		`hmm... chikorita is a very friendly bzflag player who is gonna tank your whippy whippy`
`10:45.46`	`Chikorita`	`:/`
`10:47.02`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: Chikorita is da team captain of BzRebels .`
`10:47.03`		`...but chikorita is already something else...`
`10:47.24`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: Chikorita is da team captain of BzRebels .`
`10:47.25`		`...but chikorita is already something else...`
`10:47.54`	`Chikorita`	`ibot: Chikorita is da team captain of BzRebels .`
`10:47.55`		`...but chikorita is already something else...`
`10:48.04`	`Chikorita`	`sigh`
`11:02.45`	`bomber`	`~d`
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`11:50.33`	`larsl_school`	`<ibot> exceeded allowed forked count: slashdot, bzflag`
`11:50.39`	`larsl_school`	`I've never seen that before.`
`11:50.49`	`larsl_school`	`~glasstowers-hx2`
`11:51.22`	`larsl_school`	`~literal glasstowers-hx2`
`11:51.23`		`glasstowers-hx2 is <reply> see towers-hx2`
`11:51.29`	`larsl_school`	`~literal towers-hx2`
`11:51.30`		`towers-hx2 is <reply> see bzfquery glasstowers.homelinux.net:6155`
`11:51.39`	`larsl_school`	`~towers`
`11:51.44`	`larsl_school`	`~towers-hx2`
`11:51.56`	`larsl_school`	`Now it works again. =)`
`11:52.45`	`Quol`	`larsl_school, first day back to shcool?`
`11:53.50`	`larsl_school`	`I haven't really started yet. It begins next monday.`
`11:54.07`	`larsl_school`	`I'm just here to meet some people.`
`11:55.03`	`Quol`	`might be difficult to meet people of you are on-line and talking in here - no? :)`
`11:55.25`	`larsl_school`	`You were right about the commands in bzadmin, the server seems to ignore them if the client quits too fast.`
`11:55.29`	`larsl_school`	`They're not here yet. =)`
`11:56.08`	`Quol`	`cool - glad i waso n the right track :)`
`11:56.26`	`Quol`	`my work around was to use an input file and use -stdboth`
`11:56.27`	`larsl_school`	`I might add a sleep() call, or do something more clever to make sure that the commands are executed.`
`11:57.15`	`Quol`	`it's really great so far though...`
`11:57.33`	`Quol`	`I might even try using it as a backend so that I can chat on the web to my servers...`
`11:58.03`	`Quol`	`brb`
`12:01.50`	`Quol`	`larsl_school: you a student?`
`12:08.16`	`larsl_school`	`Yes.`
`12:08.16`	`larsl_school`	`Have to go.`
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`12:26.55`	`Prophet`	`say, is something wrong with bzflag?`
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`13:21.30`	`tea\|tree_`	`uh`
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`13:35.00`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-55.swipnet.se)`
`13:35.20`	`larsl`	`Quol: Yes, CS at KTH and physics at Stockholm University.`
`13:42.06`	`tea\|tree_`	`lol`
`14:07.36`	`learner`	`ibot, convert �6.65 to $`
`14:09.12`	`larsl`	`ibot, convert 6.65 sterling to dollars`
`14:09.30`	`learner`	`ibot, convert 6.65 pounds to dollars`
`14:09.49`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`14:09.55`	`captain_proton`	`ibot does google, no?`
`14:09.56`		`captain_proton: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`14:10.10`	`learner`	`ibot, convert 6.65 GB pounds to dollars`
`14:10.11`	`captain_proton`	`~google 6.65 pounds in dollars`
`14:10.28`	`captain_proton`	`or you could remember the convert syntax`
`14:10.36`	`captain_proton`	`~convert 6.65 .uk to .usd`
`14:10.45`	`learner`	`ah, better`
`14:10.47`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`14:10.55`	`captain_proton`	`~convert 6.65 gpb to usd`
`14:11.02`	`learner`	`er`
`14:11.03`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`14:11.07`	`captain_proton`	`~convert 6.65 gbp to usd`
`14:11.09`	`learner`	`i think ibot is choking`
`14:11.14`	`captain_proton`	`yeah`
`14:11.22`	`captain_proton`	`no, its /msging me with errors :P`
`14:11.27`	`captain_proton`	`unknown unit 'gbp'`
`14:11.45`	`learner`	`yes, he's messaging me private too`
`14:13.18`	`learner`	`interesting " ibot exceeded allowed forked count: units, bzflag"`
`14:35.39`	`larsl`	`Grr.`
`14:48.58`	`bryjen`	`~change 6.65 gbp to usd`
`14:50.03`	`bryjen`	`convert measurements. change money.`
`15:05.29`	`learner`	`nuff said :)`
`15:24.04`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com)`
`15:24.17`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`15:28.08`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Hey, what's the right thing to do when a team flag goes missing?`
`15:28.31`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: (Assuming that everybody leaving the team doesn't fix it :)`
`15:29.42`	`bryjen`	`Everybody leaving should _make_ it go away`
`15:30.02`	`bryjen`	`and it should then come back when someone joins that team again`
`15:30.16`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: Yeah, and I'm asking what should be done when that doesn't work.`
`15:30.35`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: (It's happened twice on xmission in the past week or so)`
`15:31.16`	`bryjen`	`eeep`
`15:31.53`	`bryjen`	`does /flag reset do the team flags too?`
`15:32.18`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: I didn't notice if it reset any of the other team flags, but it didn't get the one I was after, no :)`
`15:33.05`	`bryjen`	`I remember you asking about /superkill or /shutdownserver...`
`15:33.09`	`ElectricElf`	`Yeah.`
`15:33.16`	`ElectricElf`	`/gameover didn't do it.`
`15:33.34`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: (And along those same lines, is bzfs started in a 'while true; do ...; done' loop or similar? :)`
`15:34.08`	`bryjen`	`hehe. Foo does /gameover and everyone gets a message "The game is Over. Foo Won."`
`15:34.18`	`ElectricElf`	`Yeah. :)`
`15:34.18`	`bryjen`	`or something like that`
`15:34.24`	`TimRiker`	`ElectricElf: hmm... tried a flag reset?`
`15:34.29`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Yeah, no luck.`
`15:34.40`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: I'd have done /shutdown but I wasn't sure if it would restart.`
`15:34.52`	`TimRiker`	`ElectricElf: xmission is run from a loop script, yeah.`
`15:35.00`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Okay, that's great then.`
`15:35.29`	`TimRiker`	`any clue what caused it?`
`15:35.39`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Is there a way for an admin to remotely trigger a core or similar? If anything odd like this happens it'd be nice if there was something for you to work with afterwards ;)`
`15:35.49`	`ElectricElf`	`(Or me, even, though it's been a while since I've done any real gdb work.)`
`15:36.06`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Nope, not at all - I believe it's a bug, as opposed to being deliberate.`
`15:36.18`	`*** join/#bzflag BagsAtWork (~BagsAtWor@h-68-165-122-98.MCLNVA23.covad.net)`
`15:36.40`	`ElectricElf`	`(It happened twice and both times there weren't any other cheaters, and the teams cycled pretty quickly - in the first case they joined other teams. So anybody who did it on purpose wouldn't have reaped the benefits.)`
`15:37.04`	`TimRiker`	`ElectricElf: no way to remotely core dump at present.`
`15:37.07`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: K.`
`16:00.14`	`bryjen`	`~xmission`
`16:01.01`	`bryjen`	`~bzfquery xmission`
`16:02.43`	`TimRiker`	`eep`
`16:04.54`	`bryjen`	`noticed the graph at list.bzflag.org falls off sharply`
`16:05.12`	`TimRiker`	`sure enough. ElectricElf sup with the server?`
`16:05.47`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: No idea, it's down.`
`16:05.59`	`TimRiker`	`~xmission`
`16:06.00`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: (I just kind of assumed you knew about it.)`
`16:06.06`	`TimRiker`	`back now.`
`16:06.16`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Any idea what was wrong with it?`
`16:06.27`	`larsl`	`Remote core dumping is a nice idea.`
`16:06.34`	`larsl`	`It would be really easy too.`
`16:08.19`	`TimRiker`	`Player k [6] uread() exact udp up 202.247.73.19:17200`
`16:08.20`	`TimRiker`	`* RECEIVE PACKET BUFFER OVERFLOW ATTEMPT: 6 sent 15 Bytes`
`16:08.30`	`larsl`	`bzdeath?`
`16:08.32`	`ElectricElf`	`Ah oh. :)`
`16:08.46`	`TimRiker`	`Player [10] accept() from 24.166.86.20:35136 on 17`
`16:08.46`	`TimRiker`	`Player Carnage [3] has joined from 216.8.132.75:1526 on 10`
`16:09.08`	`TimRiker`	`that was the last connect. Carnage was still connected and nobody else could get in.`
`16:09.28`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: The nick doesn't ring a bell, so they're not a regular.`
`16:10.04`	`bryjen`	`hmm... k ? I used to get messages about k or kk or some length of k's. I just figured some guy had a busted/old client`
`16:12.18`	`TimRiker`	`bryjen: I expect k tries DoS attacks.`
`16:13.21`	`larsl`	`The address is japanese.`
`16:13.42`	`bryjen`	`I will never understand that mentality...`
`16:13.49`	`larsl`	`Japanese? =)`
`16:14.13`	`bryjen`	`lusers trying to spoil a free game.`
`16:15.54`	`ElectricElf`	`lol`
`16:16.08`	`ElectricElf`	`216.8.132.75 is right near where I used to live :)`
`16:16.37`	`ElectricElf`	`larsl: Which address is japanese?`
`16:16.46`	`larsl`	`202.247.73.19`
`16:16.49`	`larsl`	`k`
`16:16.52`	`ElectricElf`	`Ah, .19. Scrolled off :)`
`16:17.32`	`bryjen`	`$ dig 202.247.73.19 ICBM`
`16:20.41`	`CIA`	`03timriker 08v1_7 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): ]: is a msg`
`16:23.22`	`bryjen`	`ugh. bright-yellow-on-white. 1.7?`
`16:25.26`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: Play with your terminal emulator's colour settings :)`
`16:26.08`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: Ah :)`
`16:26.46`	`bryjen`	`better to torment scanline about CIA's coloring`
`16:26.48`	`TimRiker`	`~xmission`
`16:27.21`	`TimRiker`	`bryjen: I commited it to 1.7 and 1.9`
`16:27.48`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: BTW, if you don't already, logging '/flag' (specifically '/flag show') would be nice :)`
`16:28.10`	`TimRiker`	`ElectricElf: I don't think it does, but you are right, that would be nice.`
`16:28.16`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: Great.`
`16:28.35`	`ElectricElf`	`TimRiker: (Not that I'm really worried about it, but even before I knew the password people thought I was cheating often enough.)`
`16:28.58`	`bryjen`	`do you have to use -d to get chat traffic on stdout?`
`16:30.23`	`larsl`	`bryjen: -d or -echo.`
`16:30.34`	`larsl`	`Maybe several -d's are needed, I don't remember.`
`16:30.39`	`bryjen`	`on the server`
`16:30.45`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`16:32.09`	`bryjen`	`Ah. one -d echos messages, which includes /commands`
`16:39.28`	`*** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26)`
`16:40.01`	`Nidhoggr`	`-d will give you chat traffic. it won't give you any specifics about private messages, though.`
`16:40.16`	`Nidhoggr`	`only 1 -d is needed.`
`16:44.15`	`bryjen`	`Who was working on the poll/vote thing?`
`16:44.32`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen: learner added that code recently`
`16:47.20`	`*** join/#bzflag brlcad (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net)`
`16:47.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`speak of the devil! ;-)`
`16:47.39`	`brlcad`	`muahahaha!`
`16:48.00`	`bryjen`	`all the /commands are english...`
`16:48.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`Those should all be converted to esperanto!`
`16:48.22`	`brlcad`	`eh?`
`16:48.31`	`brlcad`	`are you referring to /vote`
`16:49.04`	`brlcad`	`jb: so you'd like to see /vote hell yea!`
`16:49.05`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's what he was just mentioning as you signed on`
`16:49.16`	`bryjen`	`not /vote itself. the plethora of yes/no`
`16:49.34`	`brlcad`	`yea, it'll eventually just say Usage: /vote yes\|no`
`16:49.39`	`brlcad`	`but handle everything`
`16:50.05`	`brlcad`	`i put the rest in just to make the short cuts obvious initially`
`16:51.15`	`brlcad`	`yes, it was quick and I feel dirty`
`16:51.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`so the art of good token parsing has been lost in this crowd!`
`16:51.26`	`bryjen`	`Inside the big IF of parseCommand`
`16:52.06`	`brlcad`	`well, you should note that my first two lines of comments say that the whole shebang needs to be ripped out and put somewhere else`
`16:52.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`Time for me to pull out my old compiler 101 books! (Hey Donald...)`
`16:52.14`	`brlcad`	`that's rev 2 once everything is working`
`16:52.27`	`bryjen`	`and yet you go on if'ing... ;)`
`16:52.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`effing iffing`
`16:53.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen you want to go offing effing iffing?`
`16:53.08`	`brlcad`	`i get chastisted if I break the flow, i get chastized if I go with the flow -- i can't win`
`16:54.11`	`brlcad`	`ibot, shoot learner`
`16:54.12`		`ACTION shoots learner in the head.`
`16:54.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`learner: In case you didn't receive this yet, Thanks for the patch! I appreciate it!`
`16:54.32`	`brlcad`	`pfft!`
`16:54.33`	`*** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`16:54.44`	`BZSpiff`	`Umm... any ducati admins here??`
`16:54.49`	`BZSpiff`	`Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease say there is one.`
`16:54.54`	`JBDiGriz`	`~d`
`16:55.13`	`BZSpiff`	`Oh... he left.`
`16:55.17`	`BZSpiff`	`Some guy called "turd."`
`16:55.19`	`bryjen`	`ibot, lart bryjen for complaining when somebody else is actually _doing_ things`
`16:55.21`	`BZSpiff`	`Teamkiller.`
`16:55.51`	`bryjen`	`Ouch! I was expecting a fish or a cluebat or something`
`16:56.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`~fishslap bryjen`
`16:56.04`		`ACTION slaps bryjen up side the head with a wet fish.`
`16:56.20`	`bryjen`	`Hey! Stabbing was enough!`
`16:56.33`	`bryjen`	`s/enough/more than enough/`
`16:57.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's like potato chips, once you get started it's hard to stop!`
`16:57.38`	`brlcad`	`~whaleslap bryjen`
`16:57.39`		`ibot slaps bryjen upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale`
`16:58.10`	`bryjen`	`whales are big to start with....`
`16:58.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`ibot is a big girl! ;-)`
`16:58.23`		`JBDiGriz: wish i knew`
`17:04.50`	`larsl`	`BZSpiff: I recognize the callsign, he's been on ducati or xmission earlier.`
`17:06.03`	`larsl`	`she/it`
`17:09.07`	`brlcad`	`she's a strong bot too`
`17:10.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`I wouldn't mess with anyone who can haul a large killer whale to Oklahoma`
`17:10.49`	`brlcad`	`and then use it to beat someone with it..`
`17:11.38`	`*** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.133.229)`
`17:11.51`	`sussudio`	`can someone come to ducati to ban the french moron that was cursing yesterday too? he's at it again.`
`17:12.21`	`brlcad`	`did you call him a pig?`
`17:12.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`brlcad: For some reason, I'm reminded about the ignore command, did you specify a mask?`
`17:13.33`	`brlcad`	`yes and no`
`17:13.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`What mask did you specify when it was yes?`
`17:14.08`	`brlcad`	`i think i used the wrong mask.. both times`
`17:14.54`	`JBDiGriz`	`Try something like xxx!@ when you want to ignore the user with the nick xxx`
`17:15.03`	`BZSpiff`	`Okay.... and now "friendly fire" is on ducati being abusive.`
`17:15.12`	`BZSpiff`	`Someone please come kick/ban him.... this is ridiculous.`
`17:15.36`	`JBDiGriz`	`There's a good reason why I don't hang around ducati very much anymore.`
`17:17.27`	`brlcad`	`jb: i did that -- ended up filtering everyone`
`17:17.27`	`sussudio`	`i thought you said you were going to leave bzflag, spiff? why didnt' you? it would be a better place.`
`17:17.46`	`brlcad`	`might be a buggy client, jb -- filterwise`
`17:18.14`	`bryjen`	`w00t!`
`17:18.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`yo ho yo ho!`
`17:19.12`	`brlcad`	`is it a dvd/cd rw?`
`17:19.35`	`bryjen`	`No pirates here!`
`17:19.56`	`bryjen`	`most of them do both, no?`
`17:21.38`	`bryjen`	`this one does.`
`17:21.43`	`BZSpiff`	`sussudio- Unlike you, I have friends in BZ. :-)`
`17:21.51`	`BZSpiff`	`They give me a reason to stop in from time to time.`
`17:22.40`	`bryjen`	`Oooof. My burner is preheated! Musta been a warm ride in the FedEx truck.`
`17:22.54`	`BZSpiff`	`Hehehehe bryjen. :-)`
`17:23.20`	`sussudio`	`no you don't. everyone hates you.`
`17:23.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`This is the developer's forum, not the "harmone-infested teen" <tm> forum.`
`17:23.31`	`BZSpiff`	`LoL`
`17:23.40`	`BZSpiff`	`You just keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. :-)`
`17:24.11`	`BZSpiff`	`Hehehehe JB. ;-)`
`17:24.24`	`sussudio`	`Your total ignorance of reality never seizes to amaze me`
`17:24.42`	`bryjen`	`evoke(Patlabor221);`
`17:24.46`	`BZSpiff`	`At least I can spell. :-)`
`17:24.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`If you don't want to be lumped in with that group, don't act like you're a part of it!`
`17:25.05`	`sussudio`	`no you can't, you're an idiot.`
`17:25.12`	`bryjen`	`~seen Patlabor221`
`17:25.13`		`patlabor221 <~Patlabor2@adsl-64-172-196-241.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11h 15m 9s ago, saying: 'what server has fliped pyramids?'.`
`17:25.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen: Use the ignore command for now.`
`17:26.11`	`BZSpiff`	`How do you ignore people in here?`
`17:26.20`	`sussudio`	`/quit`
`17:26.33`	`bryjen`	`brlcad popped up promptly upon mention. It was worth a try.`
`17:26.50`	`bryjen`	`hmm`
`17:26.54`	`bryjen`	`~spell evoke`
`17:26.54`		`'evoke' may be spelled correctly`
`17:26.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`Depends on your client. The /ignore command is used, but the mask is the question`
`17:27.02`	`bryjen`	`~dict evoke`
`17:27.23`	`bryjen`	`~dict envoke`
`17:27.25`	`sussudio`	`well, i'm outta here. if i ever meet you spiff, you will bleed.`
`17:27.30`	`sussudio`	`that's a promise.`
`17:27.36`	`bryjen`	`~spell envoke`
`17:27.37`		`possible spellings for envoke: invoke evoke invoker invoked invokes`
`17:27.41`	`bryjen`	`ah`
`17:27.47`	`bryjen`	`~dict invoke`
`17:27.53`	`BZSpiff`	`I get "***Syntax: IGNORE [wildcard/nick] [type]" when I try to "/ignore sussudio"`
`17:28.51`	`bryjen`	`its something like nick!user@host`
`17:29.07`	`brlcad`	`well, now`
`17:29.10`	`bryjen`	`so sussudio!@`
`17:29.19`	`brlcad`	`aren't we all bubbling with happiness today? :)`
`17:29.27`	`BZSpiff`	`I don't get it... but thanks anway. :-)`
`17:29.28`	`BZSpiff`	`LoL`
`17:29.36`	`BZSpiff`	`Actually... I am! :-D`
`17:29.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm not sure what that type is in the command, I'm checking my irc manual.`
`17:29.50`	`brlcad`	`i didn't mean you, spiff`
`17:30.08`	`BZSpiff`	`I'm having a verrrrrrrrry good day.. even if there are lamebrains hanging around trying to make me angry... and not succeeding I might add. :-)`
`17:30.49`	`BZSpiff`	`Well... I'm off to lunch.`
`17:31.11`	`bryjen`	`Mmmmm.`
`17:31.26`	`brlcad`	`bryjen has some fish he could probably share`
`17:31.29`	`BZSpiff`	`Maybe I'll go out for lunch. ;-)`
`17:31.38`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: :P`
`17:31.41`	`brlcad`	`lots of it :)`
`17:31.48`	`BZSpiff`	`C'mon over guys... the pizza's on me! :-)`
`17:32.16`	`bryjen`	`brlcad: you ate all the guppies :)`
`17:32.27`	`BZSpiff`	`Anywayz..... for real.... I'm off. C-ya later all. :-)`
`17:32.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`That type command is the type of messages to ignore ALL should work`
`17:33.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`Specifying NONE turns off ignore for that mask`
`17:33.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`Just the /ignore command with no arguments should give you the table`
`17:34.29`	`larsl_tv`	`I still have a lot of entries for dip.t-dialin.net.`
`17:34.40`	`larsl_tv`	`Cell hasn't been here in a couple of months, right?`
`17:34.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`You can probably remove those, pat has done a good job with the auto-ban`
`17:35.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`and there are a couple of legit people who come in from dip!`
`17:36.07`	`larsl_tv`	`The masks had some of his common usernames.`
`17:38.14`	`Quol`	`I missed all the action it seems :)`
`17:41.43`	`brlcad`	`so you don't feel left out..`
`17:41.48`	`brlcad`	`~whaleslap quol`
`17:41.49`		`ibot slaps Quol upside and over the head with one freakishly huge killer whale`
`17:41.59`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`17:42.12`	`Quol`	`:)`
`17:42.22`	`captain_proton`	`whaleslap? :)`
`17:43.10`	`captain_proton`	`though killer whales aren't whales...`
`17:43.24`	`captain_proton`	`they're fish`
`17:43.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`I believe orcas are whales, not fish. Mammals and all that.`
`17:43.54`	`Quol`	`anyone up for a game of High Speed CTF?`
`17:44.15`	`captain_proton`	`hmm, really?`
`17:44.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'll be there in about 8 hours!`
`17:44.28`	`Quol`	`lol JBDiGriz - maybe I will be there aslo`
`17:44.41`	`Quol`	`I have to get a good sleep tonight - have to drive 10 hours or so tomorrow`
`17:45.13`	`brlcad`	`none of this up at the crack of dawn fixing routing issues tonight young man!`
`17:45.23`	`captain_proton`	`aha, its a mammal`
`17:45.27`	`captain_proton`	`but not technically a whale`
`17:45.33`	`captain_proton`	`'dolphinslap' would be more appropriate :)`
`17:45.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`http://www.tmmc.org/learning/education/whales/orca.asp`
`17:46.16`	`Quol`	`I don't have to think about any routing/load balancing issues for 2 weeks brlcad - WOOHOO`
`17:46.35`	`Quol`	`free as a bird - the cell is off, work doesn't exist`
`17:48.01`	`Quol`	`just let it bounce off and use it for a stool to get myself something cold out of the freezer :)`
`17:48.26`	`Quol`	`err, no that I need a stool....`
`17:50.29`	`Quol`	`larsl_tv - I love the bzadmin tool, I just created a "bzwho" command that basically calls bzadmin logs in to all my instances and echoes back the /playerlist so I know if there is anyone logged on so I know if Ican restart anything or not, or do maintenance -really great stuff :)`
`17:51.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`and then he can come and harass whoever is using his servers!`
`17:52.21`	`Quol`	`you bet - I love harassing you JBDiGriz`
`17:52.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`Quol: Right now, I'm in a location which uses windows for name resolution. Every access to the net returns with name not found. I have to access it once or twice more to get it to resolve.`
`17:52.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`Is that the best way to deal with it?`
`17:53.05`	`Quol`	`no - not at all`
`17:53.22`	`Quol`	`NT 4 DNS servers or windows 2000?`
`17:53.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`I believe they're nt 4, and I'm not admin`
`17:54.23`	`Quol`	`NT 4 boxes are bad for DNS - but you can get them working all right for internal/external name resolution`
`17:54.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`What should I suggest to the people around here?`
`17:54.43`	`Quol`	`win2K is much better though - it is actually standards compliant, if you can believe that`
`17:55.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`Maybe for networking, but that's the USB issues I'm dealing with as well!`
`17:55.22`	`Quol`	`I meant DNS right now...`
`17:55.30`	`Quol`	`it depends on how they have it configured`
`17:55.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`Understood, it takes more than one thing to get me disgusted, although windows does the capability to shortcut that.`
`17:55.58`	`*** part/#bzflag drinian (~drinian@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net)`
`17:56.09`	`Quol`	`are they forwarding their DNS queries recursively to external DNS's or trying to resolve them themselves - i would need more info on topology to suggest anything`
`17:56.59`	`Quol`	`although I have noticed a recuring issue with the "A" root server`
`17:57.14`	`Quol`	`infact I have taken A out of all my DNS servers root hints files`
`17:57.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm not sure about that. I suspect they're forwarding to external DNS. They have a firewall/nat, and the people are less than stellar in their admin capabilities.`
`17:57.55`	`Quol`	`I have noticed that all over the place - just spent 6 weeks interviewing for senior sys-amdin`
`17:58.07`	`Quol`	`very little in the way of true talent`
`17:58.29`	`Quol`	`people can do things - but most just know that if they do this then it works - why is another question`
`17:59.00`	`Quol`	`maybe it's just in my geapraphic are though - dont know...`
`17:59.11`	`Quol`	`geographic`
`17:59.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's still in my roots file at home, I haven't noticed the same problem. At home, I run my own dns server.`
`17:59.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`I suspect as the population grows larger, the total amount of knowledge remains constant.`
`18:00.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`The other annoyance is an unresolved external symbol which just started occurring in visual c++`
`18:01.02`	`JBDiGriz`	`I just updated the sources, and now dllMainCRTStartup is unresolved.`
`18:01.03`	`Quol`	`I just finished interviewing a candidate, and when I asked him a really basic technical question regarding IP networks - he started at me and said "I wasn't aware that there would be any technical questions on this interview, and as such I am not prepared"`
`18:01.32`	`JBDiGriz`	`Quol: I remember you were annoyed on that particular day. It was about a class c address.`
`18:01.35`	`captain_proton`	`Quol: what question?`
`18:02.11`	`Quol`	`captain_proton: you won't believe the basic question: what are the classes in TCP/IP, and their ranges.`
`18:02.26`	`captain_proton`	`oog`
`18:02.28`	`Quol`	`JBDiGrizL: yes you are right - it was all around basic IP netowrking`
`18:02.46`	`brlcad`	`if a packet Q left server Z at 5pm GMT and another packet X left server D at 1400 EDT, when would ....`
`18:02.47`	`Quol`	`all I was looking for was ABC - if they threw in D great`
`18:03.09`	`Quol`	`they would arive at the same time brlcad :)`
`18:03.11`	`Quol`	`lol`
`18:03.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`When would they collide?`
`18:03.32`	`brlcad`	`lol`
`18:03.41`	`bryjen`	`use full duplex.`
`18:04.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`Depends on the network types available. There's more than ethernet in the world out there!`
`18:04.10`	`Quol`	`I had another guy tell me the range of class a was 10.0.0.0 - 10.255.255.255`
`18:04.20`	`brlcad`	`class TCP {`
`18:04.27`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:04.28`	`brlcad`	`}`
`18:04.41`	`brlcad`	`class IP {`
`18:04.46`	`brlcad`	`.. :)`
`18:05.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`It sounds like he was a bit confused between classes and the reserved addresses.`
`18:05.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's hard to keep all the RFC's straight!`
`18:05.20`	`Quol`	`ya - but for a senior network admin - that's scary stuff`
`18:05.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`Maybe it was a senior moment?`
`18:05.45`	`bryjen`	`are the classes even of any use anymore? with all the cidr /xx masks`
`18:06.10`	`*** join/#bzflag ivan (~ivan@adsl-67-124-7-193.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net)`
`18:06.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`The class terminology has mostly been denigrated, but it's useful to understand them.`
`18:06.14`	`ivan`	`hi`
`18:06.18`	`Quol`	`yes - mostly for internal use - almost everything external is CIDR now...`
`18:06.23`	`ivan`	`is 100 gigabytes a month enough to run 12 players on bzflag 24/7?`
`18:06.25`	`Quol`	`hello ivan`
`18:06.52`	`Quol`	`should be ivan - let me look at my numbers`
`18:07.04`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: 12 players fulltime eats about 1/2 a T1`
`18:07.14`	`ivan`	`eww`
`18:07.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`ivan: Are you referring to bandwidth?`
`18:07.17`	`bryjen`	`they were arbitray divisions of the address space. suprise that they fell apart in practical use`
`18:07.28`	`brlcad`	`Tim: that is insane`
`18:07.44`	`TimRiker`	`brlcad: patches welcome`
`18:07.56`	`ivan`	`is it Players^2 bandwidth?`
`18:08.05`	`ivan`	`because the server has to relay the messages to everyone?`
`18:08.12`	`TimRiker`	`more or less, yeah.`
`18:08.17`	`ivan`	`i think that's stupid`
`18:08.22`	`Nidhoggr`	`ivan.. I am on 100mb... you can take a look at user to bandwidth stats at mrtg.tiphareth.net`
`18:08.25`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: patches welcome`
`18:08.25`	`ivan`	`it should be P2P for such a game`
`18:08.33`	`ivan`	`C++ is teh impossible.`
`18:08.36`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: patches welcome`
`18:08.48`	`ivan`	`i considered writing a tank game in python but i'm a lazy fuck`
`18:09.09`	`TimRiker`	`then stop complaining to those that actuall have written a tank game.`
`18:09.27`	`ivan`	`TimRiker: you've seen thinktanks, right?`
`18:09.28`	`ivan`	`it sucks`
`18:09.39`	`Quol`	`ivan: I have 6 servers running, I use about 700B/week outbound`
`18:09.43`	`brlcad`	`so many patches, so little time :(`
`18:10.10`	`captain_proton`	`ivan: p2p is tricky - multicast doesn't really work over the internet, because most people aren't on the mbone, and unicast increases the load on the client such that 56k would be completely out and most broadband would be laggy in medium-sized games`
`18:10.12`	`Chestal`	`ducati avergaes at about 12kB/s`
`18:10.37`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: nope. url?`
`18:10.44`	`TimRiker`	`~thinktanks`
`18:10.45`	`ivan`	`garagegames.com`
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`18:10.49`	`Chestal`	`30 minute avergaes peak at about 40-45kB/s`
`18:11.08`	`TimRiker`	`Carnage: what happened on xmission earlier?`
`18:11.42`	`Quol`	`I average about the same Chestal - with peake going up to 400KB/s or so at times`
`18:12.02`	`Chestal`	`the shortest stats I have are 5 minute averages here`
`18:12.12`	`brlcad`	`that's just me doing a DOS on you Quol -- no worries`
`18:12.27`	`Nidhoggr`	`does the client/server do any compression of the data before it's sent?`
`18:12.35`	`Quol`	`I know brlcad - sorry if you can't play later on though :)`
`18:12.53`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: wild. funky look and feel`
`18:12.54`	`brlcad`	`play? heh, i barely get to play as it is :)`
`18:13.03`	`ivan`	`>>> (401000 60 * 60 * 24 * 32) / (1000 * 1000 * 1000)`
`18:13.03`	`ivan`	`110L`
`18:13.06`	`ivan`	`i'm screwed`
`18:13.10`	`ivan`	`that's 110 gigabytes`
`18:13.17`	`ivan`	`at 40K/sec`
`18:13.25`	`scanline`	`bryjen: I don't control CIA's colors, it's up to each project that uses it`
`18:13.49`	`Quol`	`ivan: that is assuming that people are connected 24x7 to your servers..`
`18:13.57`	`ivan`	`right`
`18:14.04`	`ivan`	`i was planning to use at most 40 gigabytes`
`18:14.06`	`TimRiker`	`Nidhoggr: nope. data is pretty small so there's not a lot to compress.`
`18:14.15`	`ivan`	`even though my actual cap is 100`
`18:14.59`	`bryjen`	`scanline: silly me. or rather silly person who config'ed it ;)`
`18:15.03`	`Quol`	`ivan: I am sure that you will find that there are times where no-one connects, and times where there are people waiting to connect- if it's popular that is`
`18:15.07`	`TimRiker`	`ivan: best to start small and watch the traffic, then increase the numbers`
`18:15.21`	`ivan`	`maybe someone could share their bandwidth after i make teh coolest level EVAR`
`18:15.37`	`captain_proton`	`keyword being after ;)`
`18:15.43`	`ivan`	`yes`
`18:15.47`	`Quol`	`ivan: you can always demo it on my "MapMaker" isntance`
`18:15.50`	`brlcad`	`is anything compressed before getting sent over the wire? (besides the world, that is)`
`18:16.05`	`Quol`	`no caps over here - 200MB right to the net - no limits :)`
`18:16.31`	`ivan`	`afk`
`18:18.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`any of you all know how to list the people in a channel with irssi?`
`18:18.38`	`Quol`	`use /names`
`18:18.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`thx`
`18:19.02`	`Quol`	`no prob bob`
`18:19.46`	`Quol`	`I hate that about irssi also - you have to keep doing /names to figure out who is in the room`
`18:20.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`I don't mind it -- it's nice and lightweight -- just finding out what does what is a pain (but I suppose I could read the docs ;) )`
`18:20.57`	`Quol`	`lol - do you know if there is a way for irssi to automaticaly switch to a new window when that window is created?`
`18:21.15`	`fiberchunks_`	`nah, all I do is the alt+numkey to switch`
`18:21.23`	`Quol`	`ya - me too`
`18:21.43`	`Quol`	`sometimes I have noticed that I have missed whole conversations because of that though`
`18:21.48`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:21.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`again, I'm sure there's a way, but I just need basics (and am too lazy to read docs for some of these apps)`
`18:21.59`	`fiberchunks_`	`logging`
`18:22.08`	`Quol`	`and people think that I ignoring them :)`
`18:22.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:22.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`I don't use it, but I'm sure that'll do the voodoo you need for it`
`18:23.39`	`Quol`	`taht just logs stuff though - it won't automatically activate the window - it jsut logs what you is said in that window`
`18:23.59`	`fiberchunks_`	`can't you specify a channel to log with it?`
`18:24.11`	`Quol`	`my issues is that the new window is activated behind the main chat window, and I don't see it`
`18:24.17`	`Quol`	`util I do /window list`
`18:24.32`	`Quol`	`then I realize that so and so was trying to talk to me`
`18:24.38`	`fiberchunks_`	`yah, use the -targets option...`
`18:24.44`	`Quol`	`got fed up and quit -`
`18:24.51`	`Quol`	`looks like I was ignoring them :)`
`18:24.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed, but at least with logging, you can see what you may have missed?`
`18:25.38`	`Quol`	`yes - that's true`
`18:25.59`	`Quol`	`you can use the page_up_down buttons to scroll back also though`
`18:26.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`true, but there's only a limited scrollback buffer`
`18:26.24`	`Quol`	`ya - I put mine to 2000 though`
`18:26.28`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah`
`18:26.40`	`Quol`	`usually is good enough for this channel :)`
`18:26.58`	`Quol`	`sometimes 2000 lines can be a couple of days.. :)`
`18:27.00`	`fiberchunks_`	`try it on #gentoo sometime ;)`
`18:27.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`they average 550 users on a daily basis (course, most of them are silent)`
`18:27.55`	`brlcad`	`Quol: not when I'm chatty ;) 2000 could be just a couple hours`
`18:27.55`	`Quol`	`busier than here then?`
`18:27.59`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh, anyone know what the song is they sing on the boat in jaws?`
`18:28.15`	`fiberchunks_`	`yeah, learner has been known to spout off for hours on end ;)`
`18:28.36`	`Quol`	`someitmes I see him talking to himself for hours on end :)`
`18:28.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`18:29.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh yeah, how'd the free month go quol?`
`18:29.31`	`Quol`	`went great...really great actually`
`18:29.40`	`Quol`	`they "hired" me to figure out their network`
`18:29.43`	`fiberchunks_`	`did you get nailed by the power outage?`
`18:29.53`	`Quol`	`no - Montreal was OK`
`18:29.58`	`Carnage`	`lucky u`
`18:30.04`	`Quol`	`yes indeed`
`18:30.04`	`Carnage`	`i was in the dark`
`18:30.07`	`fiberchunks_`	`and if so, I assume there's some codicil that prevents power outages from applying to free bandwidth yes?`
`18:30.31`	`fiberchunks_`	`darkness, and silence -- are often far underappreciated things`
`18:30.33`	`Quol`	`in big events like that they would try I guess`
`18:30.45`	`Quol`	`but I do have a 100% uptime guarantee per year`
`18:31.22`	`Quol`	`that's the end of it - unless there is microscopic print that reads something like "short of natural disasters or acts of God"`
`18:31.46`	`fiberchunks_`	`fast eddie just got his thumbs broke`
`18:32.09`	`Quol`	`ouch I hate when that happens`
`18:32.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`I luv this movie`
`18:33.01`	`Quol`	`anyone know if there is a place with a lot of the "irc" talk documented - stuff like rofl=rolling on the floor laughing etc..?`
`18:33.20`	`Quol`	`I have a friend that keeps PMing me asking me - what does rofl mean etc..`
`18:33.32`	`Quol`	`it started with what does "lol" mean :)`
`18:33.37`	`aec`	`tell him to RTFM`
`18:33.58`	`Nidhoggr`	`http://www.pcuf.fi/lehti/95/3/ircslang.html`
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`18:34.30`	`Nidhoggr`	`hrm. that one's not very good.`
`18:34.43`	`Quol`	`a lot not in there..`
`18:34.59`	`Nidhoggr`	`http://www.planetc.com/users/~drgnslyr/ircslang/ircslang.htm`
`18:35.04`	`Nidhoggr`	`that one's better.`
`18:35.14`	`Quol`	`I found a "jargin dictionary" at one point but lost the URL forthat a long time ago..`
`18:36.10`	`fiberchunks_`	`there's the 'jargon file' written by Eric Raymond, but that mostly applies to *nix geekdom`
`18:38.10`	`Quol`	`that's not a bad one fiberchunks_ - tans`
`18:38.14`	`Quol`	`thanks`
`18:38.29`	`fiberchunks_`	`np`
`18:38.59`	`fiberchunks_`	`I often suffer from mental lossage due to excessive cruft in the brain`
`18:39.01`	`fiberchunks_`	`;)`
`18:39.32`	`JBDiGriz`	`or maybe excessive basting of the brain? ;-)`
`18:39.39`	`Quol`	`I just found the old jargon dictionary link: http://info.astrian.net/jargon/`
`18:39.42`	`fiberchunks_`	`lol, that too ;)`
`18:39.58`	`bryjen`	`marinate`
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`18:50.48`	`BagsAtWork`	`one banana, two banana, three banana, four`
`18:52.43`	`Quol`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:59.00`	`BagsAtWork`	`hey quol, thanks for the offer the other day, I guess MadSanta hosted the map for awhile...........it a rough map, a lot like Spiffs Canyon map`
`18:59.21`	`BagsAtWork`	`you keep driving around to get to things`
`18:59.46`	`Quol`	`sorry BagsAtWork - I didn't have time to set it up...`
`18:59.54`	`BagsAtWork`	`np, thats life`
`19:00.16`	`BagsAtWork`	`in hindsight, it is a very difficult map, probably would not get that much play`
`19:00.30`	`BagsAtWork`	`back to the drawing board`
`19:01.51`	`Quol`	`i am trying to set up the "uploads and scheduling" system for my site - that way people can automatically upload the files to my site - choose from a schedule of when they want it to be played on the map-makers innstance and choose which options they want (flags, game style etc)`
`19:02.56`	`Quol`	`I will have to do that after my vacation though`
`19:04.29`	`BagsAtWork`	`no rush. Life is not centered around BZFlag.........only seems like it. :)`
`19:05.14`	`BagsAtWork`	`sounds like a nice idea`
`19:05.15`	`Quol`	`lol - it is me addiction though - BZFlag and technology in general`
`19:05.59`	`BagsAtWork`	`if map makers ever get the ability to control the textures for a map........look out........i may not come up for air`
`19:06.33`	`Quol`	`hmm - that would be cool - include the images with the map files`
`19:07.12`	`Quol`	`you could have skull and crossbone walls on one map and neon green on another :)`
`19:08.02`	`BagsAtWork`	`individual blocks have different textures, messages....etc..........would be interesting.`
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`19:10.12`	`Quol`	`hmmm`
`19:10.28`	`BagsAtWork`	`you get bumped?`
`19:11.00`	`Quol`	`my whole internet went down at home here for a couple of seconds`
`19:11.06`	`Quol`	`I guess an 'oops' at my ISP`
`19:11.55`	`Quol`	`hey Bagheera - you ever been able to connect properly to my servers - I remember you said that you had issues once upon a time`
`19:12.26`	`Bagheera`	`yeah, no recent problems`
`19:12.56`	`Bagheera`	`actually Ar$e's servers are the only server that is a real pain, but that is probably a lag thing`
`19:13.17`	`Quol`	`ahh - OK, glad to hear it`
`19:14.05`	`Bagheera`	`yep, dont know why more people are not on your servers......they are fast`
`19:14.35`	`Quol`	`funy enough - most of my hits come at around 11:00PM - 2:00 AM`
`19:15.00`	`Bagheera`	`west coasters, eh.`
`19:15.07`	`Quol`	`every night my bandwidth during that time spike to 200K - 400KB/s`
`19:16.00`	`Bagheera`	`hmm, whats that, about 5 -8 people, or dont we have that kind of estimation`
`19:16.18`	`Quol`	`must be - I haven't taken the time to look into it much`
`19:16.23`	`Quol`	`that's about right`
`19:17.02`	`Bagheera`	`you should give the Modified Mad City map a shot...........probably drag hashmark out of the top five....hhahhahahah`
`19:17.29`	`Quol`	`who's is that one?`
`19:17.33`	`Quol`	`gerbil?`
`19:17.49`	`Quol`	`or is that a Spiff one - can't remember`
`19:17.51`	`Bagheera`	`the server hashmark, not a person.`
`19:17.57`	`Bagheera`	`oh the map`
`19:18.01`	`Quol`	`Modified Mad City map`
`19:18.22`	`Bagheera`	`hmmm, i believe kernel panic did the modification`
`19:18.40`	`Quol`	`where can I grab it?...bzbb`
`19:18.43`	`Bagheera`	`someone else here might remember the history, it has been around awhile`
`19:19.33`	`Bagheera`	`i think it is in noodlemans site.......stats`
`19:19.45`	`Quol`	`I will grab it and stick it on my FFA instance - I get no hits there - my fault on that one though - haven't changed the map at all - I have ignored that instance :)`
`19:21.32`	`Quol`	`hm - broken link - can you get to the maps link on stats?`
`19:21.47`	`Quol`	`sorry - worlds link`
`19:22.16`	`Bagheera`	`yeah, i cant find it either. not on shell shock either.......only the original MadCity`
`19:22.37`	`Bagheera`	`could have sworn it was in either of those places.`
`19:22.58`	`Bagheera`	`is there a way to capture a map from just connecting to the server?`
`19:23.46`	`larsl_running`	`Bagheera: Theoretically possible - you would have to code it yourself though.`
`19:24.13`	`larsl_running`	`Patlabor221 has talked about adding something like that to 1.9.`
`19:24.33`	`Bagheera`	`do you know what the bwc files are in the bzflag-cache.....wonder of those are map worlds`
`19:24.52`	`Quol`	`hmm - now I can't browse the net at all`
`19:25.08`	`*** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.133.229)`
`19:25.16`	`sussudio`	`good. spiff gone.`
`19:25.23`	`larsl_running`	`Bagheera: Those are binary files, they might be the binary representation of the map.`
`19:25.33`	`larsl_running`	`The server can't use them though.`
`19:25.42`	`Bagheera`	`hmm, that makes sense`
`19:26.35`	`Bagheera`	`guess you would need a program to uncompress the binary image............`
`19:27.10`	`sussudio`	`gzip?`
`19:27.12`	`Bagheera`	`razz or spiff may have the map laying around, i will ask the next time i see them`
`19:27.50`	`Bagheera`	`not sure sussudio`
`19:27.59`	`Bagheera`	`not sure what they used, if they used anything`
`19:28.20`	`larsl_running`	`I think they are just memory dumps of the structs/classes that contain the world data.`
`19:28.39`	`larsl_running`	`The client never receives the text representation of the maps (at least not in 1.7).`
`19:28.53`	`Bagheera`	`interesting`
`19:29.08`	`sussudio`	`run forest run`
`19:29.25`	`Bagheera`	`have fun`
`19:32.21`	`sussudio`	`...`
`19:32.23`	`sussudio`	`"The Lisa Kudrow/ Damon Wayans comedy "Marci X," about a young Jewish woman who takes over her father's gangsta rap label, was the weekend's biggest failure, landing at #15 with just $865,000."`
`19:32.32`	`sussudio`	`can movies get any moronic?`
`19:34.41`	`Bagheera`	`yes, all you have to do is wait.`
`19:35.17`	`sussudio`	`great`
`19:36.57`	`sussudio`	`nobody in here would know how to get rid of the spider shadows in a newtonian telescope by any chance, would they?`
`19:37.40`	`Bagheera`	`nope, but i bet a web search might turn something up`
`19:37.50`	`sussudio`	`mars is just too damn bright.`
`19:39.54`	`Bagheera`	`http://www.waynesthisandthat.com/telescop.htm`
`19:40.20`	`Bagheera`	`he mentions a wire setup....`
`19:40.38`	`Bagheera`	`cool, can you take pictures through your tele.`
`19:41.20`	`sussudio`	`yeah you just need a eyepiece adapter`
`19:41.32`	`sussudio`	`you use it instead of a lens on the camera`
`19:41.59`	`sussudio`	`well it's not even proper cheater hour yet.`
`19:42.10`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: xmission is getting hit with 'em. They're irritating.`
`19:42.10`	`sussudio`	`just wait till morning.`
`19:42.18`	`sussudio`	`i know i was there`
`19:42.41`	`sussudio`	`japanese cheaterboy must be real lonely`
`19:43.09`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: Well, I'm there now.`
`19:43.22`	`sussudio`	`he's still using the cheat client cell released ages ago`
`19:43.24`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: When Tim is satisfied I'm decent, I'll suggest a couple of other people too.`
`19:43.58`	`Bagheera`	`Go Elf, Go Elf............ ;)`
`19:44.21`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: Heh :)`
`19:44.50`	`sussudio`	`don't overdo it with the admins......`
`19:45.08`	`sussudio`	`you don't want spiff or sinep on there for example.`
`19:45.15`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: I've done pretty good with #debian :)`
`19:45.29`	`sussudio`	`ElectricElf: i don't think simonrvn handles it very well`
`19:45.35`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: The people who piss me off the worst aren't the cheaters, just the people who are cheap; quit/parting, that sort of thing.`
`19:46.08`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: He's not perfect, no. But compared to the people we used to have? (When I first started going there)`
`19:46.29`	`sussudio`	`ElectricElf: well yeah, bignose was a total jerk.`
`19:46.49`	`sussudio`	`on the other hand, you could probably piss on bob2's shoes and he wouldn't be phazed by it.`
`19:46.50`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: We obviously have very different standards :)`
`19:46.59`	`ElectricElf`	`Okay, at least we agree bob2 is great :)`
`19:48.18`	`sussudio`	`i think my pen's run out of ink from writing down all the cheaters/rejoiners/jerks ip's.....`
`19:49.57`	`sussudio`	`~poke brlcad`
`19:52.00`	`Bagheera`	`yep, i have similar problems........rejoiners tick me off the most, then cheaters, .....etc..........language is not a big concern since i learned how to use the silence command`
`19:52.52`	`Bagheera`	`actually, most of the "cheaters" i see lately get booted by the game pretty quickly.`
`19:53.25`	`Bagheera`	`laggers are a pain, but the people who whine about the lag are just as annoying.`
`19:53.26`	`sussudio`	`well, that's be the speed kick`
`19:53.36`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: I don't mind bad language. I'm pretty fucking bad myself ;)`
`19:53.44`	`ElectricElf`	`Bagheera: Being rude and insulting though can irritate me.`
`19:53.48`	`Bagheera`	`lol`
`19:54.02`	`sussudio`	`i usually stick to 'pig'`
`19:54.16`	`Bagheera`	`silence command, silence command......peace and quiet`
`19:55.00`	`Bagheera`	`except for the sound of exploding tanks.......mostly my tank lately`
`19:55.36`	`sussudio`	`well, you should run debian then..... it takes about 5 times to get sound to work when you start bzflag`
`19:56.10`	`bryjen`	`i don't mind an occasional venting of frustration (Oh Sht!). Insults directed at someone are out. (You Sht!)`
`19:56.21`	`Bagheera`	`debian?.....debian......hmmmm, isnt that an microsoft spin off........`
`19:56.35`	`sussudio`	`~crush Bagheera`
`19:56.45`	`sussudio`	`useless bot`
`19:56.50`	`sussudio`	`ibot: you're useless`
`19:56.51`		`sussudio: are you using Windows?`
`19:57.34`	`Bagheera`	`sussido, but /me at the beginning......i think the ~ is reseved for special commands......not crush and the like`
`19:57.52`	`Bagheera`	`s/but/put`
`19:57.56`	`sussudio`	`nope....`
`19:58.15`	`sussudio`	`ibot crush $1 is <action> crushes $1 with a full height scsi disk`
`19:58.16`		`okay, sussudio`
`19:58.20`	`sussudio`	`~crush Bagheera`
`19:58.22`		`ACTION crushes Bagheera with a full height scsi disk`
`19:58.29`	`Bagheera`	`ahhahaha`
`19:58.37`	`Bagheera`	`oh well.`
`19:59.06`	`sussudio`	`hmm canned crack`
`20:01.40`	`*** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se)`
`20:02.13`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: Sound works fine for me. shrug, blame your admin - he's obviously broken something. :)`
`20:03.04`	`david_v`	`hey folks... i haven't been around much. i've been rolling around on my college :)`
`20:03.13`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: I got a message about 45 minutes ago.`
`20:03.31`	`sussudio`	`nope... i've tried both oss and alsa, they both do the same.....`
`20:03.31`	`brlcad`	`which list?`
`20:07.01`	`ElectricElf`	`sussudio: If you're saying it's a problem with the drivers/hardware, I'd bet that it isn't specific to Debian :)`
`20:08.13`	`brlcad`	`EE, where you responding to me or to bryjen?`
`20:08.28`	`ElectricElf`	`brlcad: Er, you, sorry :)`
`20:08.37`	`bryjen`	`I hadn't asked anything :)`
`20:08.41`	`brlcad`	`do you know which list that came from?`
`20:08.43`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: Sorry :)`
`20:08.47`	`brlcad`	`your message, that is`
`20:08.55`	`bryjen`	`durn tab completions ;)`
`20:08.59`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: sylpheed-users`
`20:09.05`	`ElectricElf`	`bryjen: Yeah, I suck :)`
`20:09.05`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`20:09.08`	`ElectricElf`	`God damnit! I did it again.`
`20:09.15`	`brlcad`	`:D`
`20:09.50`	`brlcad`	`but not from any of the bzflag lists?`
`20:10.00`	`ElectricElf`	`I'm not on any bzflag lists, so no.`
`20:10.25`	`bryjen`	`:)`
`20:10.25`	`_bryjen_`	`ooo`
`20:13.47`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.145)`
`20:13.59`	`*** join/#bzflag bryjen (~bryjen@63.147.94.145)`
`20:14.04`	`_bryjen_`	`eppp`
`20:14.23`	`brlcad`	`hrm`
`20:14.50`	`_bryjen_`	`I kick me and I come right back for more!`
`20:23.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-133-225.ADSL.mnsi.net)`
`20:26.29`	`brlcad`	`~bzfls`
`20:26.30`		`somebody said bzfls was the BZFlag List Server`
`20:26.39`	`brlcad`	`~bzflist`
`20:28.07`	`_bryjen_`	`~hashmark`
`20:30.11`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-250.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`20:30.12`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ`
`20:30.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`_bryjen_: pat is not as responsive as learner!`
`20:31.20`	`_bryjen_`	`heh`
`20:31.37`	`_bryjen_`	`niether was ibot`
`20:32.00`	`brlcad`	`jb, pat, whoever: has anyone received a bzflag mailing list message recently?`
`20:32.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`Are you using stale chicken's blood in your invocation incantations?`
`20:33.11`	`_bryjen_`	`no just bones. maybe the wrong ones ;)`
`20:33.32`	`JBDiGriz`	`I received one at 0900 PDT today.`
`20:34.06`	`_bryjen_`	`CIA disconnected a while back`
`20:34.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`Try getting fresher ones, they might be losing potency! ;-)`
`20:34.14`	`brlcad`	`do you remember which list?`
`20:34.33`	`brlcad`	`i used to get commit messages, but they seem to have stopped as of a couple weeks ago`
`20:34.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`[ bzflag-Feature Requests-660694 ] Team killers could become rogues`
`20:34.43`	`brlcad`	`hrm`
`20:34.55`	`Patlabor221`	`i aint?`
`20:35.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`Sender: bzflag-dev-admin@lists.SourceForge.net`
`20:35.49`	`brlcad`	`yea, I'm not getting _any_ of the lists right now for some reason.. grumble grumble`
`20:35.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen invoked learner's name at 0945 PDT today, and he signed on at 0947`
`20:36.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I've been asleep`
`20:36.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sick :(`
`20:36.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`[10:24] <bryjen>evoke(Patlabor221);`
`20:36.21`	`TimRiker`	`SF lists are lagging badly from what I can see, probably swamped with SoBig virus spams.`
`20:39.53`	`larsl_running`	`I got messages yesterday (bzflag-bug posts).`
`20:40.07`	`Bagheera`	`short run`
`20:50.40`	`*** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se)`
`20:59.29`	`*** join/#bzflag anacondaac (~ACsf@adsl-212-41-75-7.solnet.ch)`
`20:59.34`	`anacondaac`	`hi`
`21:00.42`	`brlcad`	`have a good run?`
`21:01.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`What's your remote setup for typing into irc while running?`
`21:02.38`	`larsl`	`brlcad: Dark.`
`21:02.39`	`brlcad`	`I saw some guy running down the street with a satelite uplink strapped to his head, and a UPS strapped to his back talking into a headset.. was that you?!`
`21:02.54`	`larsl`	`I'm not _that_ fast. =)`
`21:03.55`	`brlcad`	`headset too heavy?`
`21:04.43`	`captain_proton`	`one of my coworkers has (at various times) hooked up to our moo: a hiptop, a blackberry, and now his palm tungsten W`
`21:07.36`	`*** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~sn0w_m0nk@photon.unm.edu)`
`21:07.58`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`greetings`
`21:09.44`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`~d`
`21:12.34`	`*** join/#bzflag BaDiN (Paramount@81.193.32.29)`
`21:12.39`	`BaDiN`	`hey`
`21:12.44`	`BaDiN`	`any teams around to play against bips?`
`21:13.43`	`BaDiN`	`guess not... as usual`
`21:13.44`	`BaDiN`	`cya`
`21:14.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`I wonder if bips has its own channel?`
`21:14.34`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`like joecartoon?`
`21:14.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`like many other teams!`
`21:15.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`I just joined, and it apparently created it for me!`
`21:18.10`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`all monkey`
`21:18.14`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`all the time ;)`
`21:18.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`Lots of spanking shows on your network?`
`21:19.36`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`lotsa finger pointing :)`
`21:19.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`and finger painting! ;-)`
`21:20.45`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hehe`
`21:21.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`If NBC's logo is a peacock ....`
`21:22.51`	`brlcad`	`sm: did you finally get to see jc?`
`21:23.02`	`*** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@ACA0993E.ipt.aol.com)`
`21:23.08`	`brlcad`	`what timing`
`21:23.10`	`brlcad`	`:)`
`21:23.29`	`Chikorita`	`:)`
`21:23.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`Did someone use another invocation?`
`21:23.51`	`brlcad`	`i think it was the mention of "joe"`
`21:24.55`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca)`
`21:27.20`	`Chikorita`	`oops i gtg , jus came in ta say hi - bye`
`21:27.49`	`bzgirl`	`hey chiko`
`21:27.52`	`bzgirl`	`cu :)`
`21:29.14`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hey hi`
`21:29.29`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`brlcad yes i checked it out from home`
`21:29.40`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`funny stuff`
`21:31.03`	`sussudio`	`can someone put a permban on 62.147.* on ducati?`
`21:31.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`only if you dislike gerbils! ;-)`
`21:32.46`	`brlcad`	`or if you like "carnage" (in the generic sense of the word)`
`21:32.48`	`bzgirl`	`that would ban several people`
`21:32.59`	`bzgirl`	`Cobra being one of them`
`21:33.16`	`bzgirl`	`sussudio: HSI? that guy you mean?`
`21:33.33`	`sussudio`	`bzgirl: the jerk that keeps spouting french obscenities, using different callsigns`
`21:33.36`	`brlcad`	`65 thousand ip's is a lot of bans..`
`21:33.48`	`sussudio`	`it's a dynamic range`
`21:33.53`	`*** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`21:34.12`	`BZSpiff`	`Hey all. :-)`
`21:34.17`	`bzgirl`	`hello`
`21:34.22`	`brlcad`	`howdy`
`21:34.23`	`sussudio`	`talking about jerks......`
`21:34.28`	`*** part/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.133.229)`
`21:34.38`	`BZSpiff`	`Heh. What a warm welcome.`
`21:34.45`	`BZSpiff`	`Oh well. :-)`
`21:34.45`	`Patlabor221`	`what crawled up his pantys today?`
`21:34.55`	`brlcad`	`spiff did :)`
`21:35.00`	`BZSpiff`	`Nasssssssty!`
`21:35.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`We had a "harmone-infested teenager" <tm> shoot out earlier.`
`21:36.08`	`BZSpiff`	`He was on ducati aliased.. and I was aliased..... and he was being reallllllllllly mean to people.. so I came in here and asked a ducati admin to come kick him (not knowing who he was)... so he left right before bzg showed up.. but insulted me in here a bit.`
`21:36.09`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh not that`
`21:37.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`That was the reason for the Patlabor221 evocation as well. Wheels within wheels.`
`21:37.36`	`Patlabor221`	`what was susidio doing?`
`21:38.22`	`*** part/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`21:38.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`sussudio was insulting spiff, spiff was responding, from there it just spiraled, up in intensity and down in quality.`
`21:38.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`I put them on ignore.`
`21:38.51`	`Patlabor221`	`great`
`21:39.28`	`Patlabor221`	`Spiff needs to let more stuff go`
`21:39.30`	`Patlabor221`	`anyone got a log?`
`21:39.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's still on my screen, if you want me to copy and paste`
`21:40.25`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`21:49.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`Patlabor221: I pasted it into a pm on centrum. Not all of sussudio's comments are there, since I put him on ignore for part of it.`
`21:49.48`	`Patlabor221`	`I have 3 of the logs now`
`21:49.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`I also didn't edit the extraneous material out.`
`21:50.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`what is going on now`
`21:50.23`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`mean people suck`
`21:51.05`	`JBDiGriz`	`They're not completely mean, just need to learn to control themselves, although I do have to wonder.`
`21:51.36`	`Patlabor221`	`well I see sussidio saying he will make spiff bleed`
`21:51.50`	`Patlabor221`	`but I also see spiff gloading him on`
`21:52.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`which is the usual course of events :\`
`21:52.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`21:53.00`	`JBDiGriz`	`The large hammer wasn't available!`
`21:53.05`	`fiberchunks_`	`and good afternoon to you all`
`21:54.15`	`brlcad`	`howdy fiber`
`21:54.26`	`*** join/#bzflag Spiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`21:54.29`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+b sussudio!@] by Patlabor221`
`21:54.30`	`brlcad`	`pat, did you want to see the whole argument?`
`21:54.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I have the entire thing`
`21:54.46`	`Spiff`	`Ick. I hate Yahoo Messenger.`
`21:55.10`	`fiberchunks_`	`spiff! learn to let more things slide ...`
`21:55.25`	`Spiff`	`I've heard this once already. ;-)`
`21:55.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`and now you have an echo :)`
`21:55.38`	`Patlabor221`	`spiff be nice and dont gload or there will be a +q for you as well`
`21:55.48`	`brlcad`	`we could start a choir in here`
`21:55.51`	`Spiff`	`Gloat? Where'd that come from?`
`21:55.59`	`Patlabor221`	`just let it go`
`21:56.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`I think that Patlabor221 means goad. Don't try to annoy people even though they deserve it.`
`21:56.39`	`Spiff`	`I didn't even mention it... I was kicking Yahoo Messenger.`
`21:56.47`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh yeah that too :)`
`21:57.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`"harmone-infested teenager" <tm>`
`21:57.05`	`Spiff`	`I think JB explained it better. ;-)`
`21:57.23`	`Spiff`	`And.. just curious.....`
`21:57.28`	`fiberchunks_`	`one must learn to flow with the mystical spelling ways of his labor-ness ;)`
`21:57.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I wish that one would have let slide too`
`21:57.33`	`Spiff`	`Why am I logged in as "Spiff".. instead of "BZSpiff?"`
`21:57.43`	`fiberchunks_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:57.44`	`Patlabor221`	`cus that's what your client did`
`21:57.48`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`if i ask a question here do i have to raise my hand?`
`21:57.49`	`Patlabor221`	`do a /nick bzspiff`
`21:58.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no, you just have to give me a $ :)`
`21:58.02`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`because what if i am a bad bad monkey`
`21:58.03`	`Spiff`	`It says the nickname is already in use?? Hmmm.`
`21:58.27`	`Patlabor221`	`then last time you didn't quit IRC, you just left the channel`
`21:58.29`	`fiberchunks_`	`naughty monkey! naughty naughty monkey!`
`21:58.35`	`Spiff`	`Ahhh. One sec.`
`21:58.37`	`*** part/#bzflag Spiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`21:58.48`	`*** join/#bzflag Spiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`21:58.56`	`Spiff`	`Pffff.`
`21:59.07`	`brlcad`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:59.10`	`Spiff`	`Trillian must hate me too.`
`21:59.14`	`fiberchunks_`	`har!`
`21:59.20`	`Spiff`	`First YM.. now Trillian! Arg.`
`21:59.23`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps you should use a real IRC client :)`
`21:59.26`	`brlcad`	`ah.. bzspiff is in use`
`21:59.37`	`Spiff`	`I can't get MIRC to install. :\|`
`21:59.40`	`Patlabor221`	`ghost it`
`21:59.46`	`Spiff`	`Last time I tried it locked up like six times in a row.`
`21:59.51`	`bzgirl`	`spiff use xchat`
`21:59.59`	`Spiff`	`What's Xchat? LoL`
`22:00.05`	`bzgirl`	`www.xchat.org`
`22:00.36`	`Patlabor221`	`xchat is kinda coo`
`22:00.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`It even runs on Macs!`
`22:00.44`	`brlcad`	`xchat pushers`
`22:00.45`	`Patlabor221`	`just don't play nice on the second monitor`
`22:00.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`does it run on windows too?`
`22:00.53`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`how about zchat?`
`22:00.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`22:00.58`	`brlcad`	`ychat?`
`22:00.59`	`Spiff`	`I have to admit.. I think Trillian is ugly.`
`22:01.00`	`fiberchunks_`	`nifty`
`22:01.02`	`Spiff`	`You skipped ychat. ;)`
`22:01.08`	`Patlabor221`	`TELLNET!!!!`
`22:01.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: what's that? ;{)`
`22:01.12`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`qchat`
`22:01.13`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`telnet chat`
`22:01.16`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`ychat?`
`22:01.28`	`Spiff`	`xchat, ychat, zchat...`
`22:01.31`	`fiberchunks_`	`JBDiGriz: I have heard it rumored that windows is some sort of operating system thingy`
`22:01.32`	`Spiff`	`=)`
`22:01.35`	`brlcad`	`talk #bzflag`
`22:01.36`	`[dmp]`	`bzchat?`
`22:01.44`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: lies, damnable lies!!!!!!`
`22:01.50`	`fiberchunks_`	`indeed :)`
`22:02.05`	`Spiff`	`Brb.`
`22:02.08`	`fiberchunks_`	`although Herr Labor was bending my ear last night on some pretty cool windows voodoo`
`22:02.09`	`*** part/#bzflag Spiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`22:02.41`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh yeah fiber after all that, I forgot to add "but there implemenation sucks"`
`22:02.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`That reminds me that I have to ask our local windows know-something about an unresolved external symbol.`
`22:02.57`	`fiberchunks_`	`which one - linux or windows`
`22:02.58`	`fiberchunks_`	`?`
`22:03.01`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`stats.bzflag.org is lying`
`22:03.02`	`Patlabor221`	`windows`
`22:03.06`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah`
`22:03.08`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i scored 400 this weekend`
`22:03.11`	`Patlabor221`	`jbd of what type?`
`22:03.13`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`not 396`
`22:03.32`	`fiberchunks_`	`it only gets data every five minutes or something monkey -- probably missed your last 4`
`22:03.35`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`its a conspiracy`
`22:03.42`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`awwwww`
`22:03.50`	`*** join/#bzflag Spiff (BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`22:03.50`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i ran out of beer`
`22:04.00`	`Spiff`	`Heyyyyy...... this is pretty cool stuff bzgirl. :-D`
`22:04.11`	`bzgirl`	`yup`
`22:04.14`	`bzgirl`	`like the fonz`
`22:04.14`	`Spiff`	`Easier on the eyes than Trillian too.`
`22:04.22`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`she invented the internet`
`22:04.55`	`bzgirl`	`spiff you can have a transparent window too if you like not being able to read anything`
`22:04.58`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`is that for real knightmare scored 29,000?`
`22:05.00`	`JBDiGriz`	`Patlabor221: dllMainCRTStartup@12`
`22:05.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`sn0w_m0nkey: yah, on his cheat server most likely, or against robots`
`22:05.18`	`Patlabor221`	`WTF is that?`
`22:05.26`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`ahhhh`
`22:05.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's the unresolved external symbol`
`22:05.33`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`29,000.....that is kinda sick`
`22:05.36`	`Patlabor221`	`in what project`
`22:05.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`It looks like it comes out of libc`
`22:05.52`	`Patlabor221`	`never seen that call before`
`22:06.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's not part of bz, this is a work project and I'm just getting annoyed with windows`
`22:06.08`	`Spiff`	`OoOoO.. hehehe. Can you set different levels of opacity? Or does it just make it totally transparent?`
`22:06.12`	`larsl`	`You just need to tint it a bit. =)`
`22:06.24`	`bzgirl`	`larsl: you need my background then :)`
`22:06.32`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`transparent screens are coooool`
`22:06.35`	`Patlabor221`	`well I'd find where that func is called`
`22:06.43`	`Patlabor221`	`it would be a call in your client`
`22:06.45`	`*** part/#bzflag Spiff (BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`22:06.53`	`Patlabor221`	`are you building a DLL?`
`22:07.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's part of a project which doesn't have any sources, only resources and headers!`
`22:07.11`	`Patlabor221`	`oh`
`22:07.32`	`Patlabor221`	`does it have a .def file?`
`22:07.38`	`Patlabor221`	`with any explicid exports?`
`22:07.39`	`*** join/#bzflag Spiff (BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com)`
`22:07.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's the client which uses USB on the windows side. I'm actually working on the linux side to figure out why we're hanging!`
`22:08.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`this must be the network analyzer`
`22:08.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`:)`
`22:08.54`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's the windows client which downloads the tests and updates the software for the network analyzer.`
`22:09.46`	`Patlabor221`	`well it could be your set up to allways have the DLL load function`
`22:09.48`	`Patlabor221`	`and you don't have it`
`22:09.56`	`Patlabor221`	`or there could be an explicid export`
`22:09.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`I don't see any .def file.`
`22:10.20`	`Spiff`	`Hey... the transparent background is actually cool..... ;-)`
`22:10.38`	`Patlabor221`	`is the error when building that DLL or including it in another project?`
`22:10.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`The change I made today was to update the sources to the latest revision. Unfortunately the person in charge is not a very forthcoming programmer.`
`22:10.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`building that project`
`22:10.54`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm`
`22:11.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`I suspect he changed something which he didn't think was very important, and didn't bother to tell anyone else`
`22:11.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well something is telling the compiler that it needs to export that function`
`22:11.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and the linker can't find it`
`22:12.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`Up until recently he was the only programmer who ever did anything to it, and he's still the only person allowed to make changes.`
`22:12.58`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`ook ooka ook`
`22:13.04`	`Patlabor221`	`I want to say there is a dsp setting that can define explicid exports`
`22:13.12`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`translation = laters`
`22:13.14`	`Patlabor221`	`you really should have the dll init function`
`22:13.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`'can you tell us, sir, in your own words, what happened the night of the 16th?' response: 'neek fluk blarney floo!'`
`22:14.06`	`Patlabor221`	`Floo! rocks`
`22:14.08`	`brlcad`	`On that note -- files were added to src/bzfs, so one of you windows dev'ers will need to update the studio project`
`22:14.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`Patlabor221: Thanks! You gave me the clue I needed!`
`22:14.21`	`Patlabor221`	`glad to help`
`22:14.35`	`Patlabor221`	`what files there learner?`
`22:15.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm guess the voting ones`
`22:15.31`	`Patlabor221`	`Mac added them it seems`
`22:15.40`	`brlcad`	`bzfs.h CmdLineOptions.h CmdLineOptions.cxx FlagInfo.h FlagInfo.cxx VotingPoll.h VotingPoll.cxx`
`22:16.16`	`Patlabor221`	`they are in there now`
`22:16.33`	`Patlabor221`	`is now a good time to make a windows build for it, or are you still tweaking it?`
`22:16.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`hey mac-type dudes: what mac would you recommend for my girlfriend and kid?`
`22:17.13`	`brlcad`	`fiber: an imac`
`22:17.16`	`brlcad`	`or emac`
`22:17.21`	`Patlabor221`	`or an emac`
`22:17.22`	`Patlabor221`	`heh`
`22:17.34`	`Spiff`	`How about a Big Mac? ;-)`
`22:17.37`	`Patlabor221`	`probably can find an old G3 imac on ebay cheap`
`22:17.42`	`fiberchunks_`	`cool`
`22:18.07`	`brlcad`	`pat: the votingpoll class is not finished, so the voting commands won't actually do anything`
`22:18.20`	`Patlabor221`	`then I shall wait`
`22:18.30`	`JBDiGriz`	`I bought a couple of G3 imacs on ebay earlier this year for about $350 apiece.`
`22:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`just let me know when it's done and I'll make a installer build`
`22:18.39`	`brlcad`	`is this for beta release??`
`22:18.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`Those were for the kids.`
`22:18.51`	`Patlabor221`	`well just for people to use`
`22:19.09`	`Patlabor221`	`since we don't have a an auto windows snaper`
`22:19.13`	`JBDiGriz`	`I also purchased a refurb emac for my wife from the Apple store at about $600.`
`22:19.33`	`brlcad`	`ah, then go ahead -- i still probably have two days to do to finish the votingpoll class`
`22:19.42`	`brlcad`	`maybe three`
`22:19.43`	`Spiff`	`Not to start a flaming convo or anything.. but I'm curious...`
`22:19.47`	`fiberchunks_`	`neat -- then I can take care of the educational / email / web requirements for the kid and mom, and leave me with the power tools`
`22:19.53`	`Spiff`	`Are there any restrictions as to software when you're on a Mac?`
`22:20.01`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`22:20.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`what do you mena?`
`22:20.07`	`fiberchunks_`	`mean*`
`22:20.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`The emac is a backup development machine for me as well.`
`22:20.17`	`Spiff`	`Like.. is there anything you can't get for Mac that you can for Windows?`
`22:20.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a computer, it has software`
`22:20.34`	`Patlabor221`	`sure there are lots of things that only exist on one platform or another`
`22:20.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`yeah, games -- but they usually follow later on`
`22:20.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`You can get a windows emulator for the mac, but not for windows. ;-)`
`22:20.50`	`Spiff`	`Are there any distinct advantages to having a Mac?`
`22:20.55`	`Spiff`	`LoL JB`
`22:20.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`It doesn't crash`
`22:21.01`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh, and linux can emulate almost everything ;)`
`22:21.03`	`Patlabor221`	`sure it dosn't`
`22:21.11`	`Patlabor221`	`tell that to our 10.2 G4s`
`22:21.13`	`JBDiGriz`	`It doesn't crash as often as windows`
`22:21.22`	`brlcad`	`not anywhere near as often`
`22:21.39`	`Spiff`	`XP doesn't crash much.. at least not from my limited experience.`
`22:21.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`I have had the bzclient hang on me, but the system keeps running.`
`22:21.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I have had the finder take down the entire system`
`22:21.59`	`Patlabor221`	`but then that may be cus of clasic`
`22:22.06`	`Patlabor221`	`they took my mac away :(`
`22:22.25`	`brlcad`	`I can usually recover most any software-induced issue with an ssh session`
`22:22.26`	`Patlabor221`	`hey I have a mac here that performs very very important duties`
`22:22.30`	`JBDiGriz`	`I have managed to crash the system a couple of times, but I was developing some drivers for it, so it probably was my fault!`
`22:22.57`	`Spiff`	`Like being a paper weight, eh Patlabor? ;)`
`22:22.58`	`Spiff`	`LoL`
`22:23.13`	`Patlabor221`	`spiff, really, they are computers, there are some softwares for them, there are some softwares that are not for them`
`22:23.21`	`Patlabor221`	`games being one that is notibly lacking`
`22:23.24`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it is geting better`
`22:23.27`	`Patlabor221`	`the mac is difrent`
`22:23.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know if it's allways a good difrent`
`22:23.36`	`JBDiGriz`	`Think different!`
`22:23.39`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's difrent`
`22:23.45`	`Spiff`	`bzgirl- What does it mean when someone's name is in Yellow while they talk? Is that like a PM?`
`22:23.52`	`Spiff`	`Hmm`
`22:24.02`	`bzgirl`	`thats a highlight`
`22:24.05`	`Patlabor221`	`it means they put your name in the text Spiff`
`22:24.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`The machines are just tools. My main concern is that I can make a living from them, and I'm not spending so much time taking care of them.`
`22:24.24`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`22:24.38`	`Spiff`	`Oh. That's cool.`
`22:24.41`	`Spiff`	`Patlabor221`
`22:24.43`	`Patlabor221`	`Macs are my second favorate computer`
`22:24.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not using xchat`
`22:24.56`	`Spiff`	`Do you guys prefer Spiff or BZSpiff? :-)`
`22:25.02`	`Patlabor221`	`it's your name`
`22:25.08`	`bzgirl`	`Spiff: you can make it beep on highlighted words, like your name or whatever`
`22:25.15`	`brlcad`	`Spiff, Spiff, Spiff .. I'm a yellow Spiff word`
`22:25.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`Macs are my favorite computer to give to my wife and kids! I don't have to be in there helping them!`
`22:25.23`	`fiberchunks_`	`yes, I use linux mostly as a political 'screw the machine' statement -- that and the freedom of it`
`22:25.44`	`Spiff`	`When you guys say "Spiff".... it isn't yellow. However.. when Patlabor said "fiberchunks_".. it was yellow. :-)`
`22:25.44`	`Patlabor221`	`heck Ive even made screamers suposedly mac compatabale and will be buging learner &\| jbd to help get it running when its ready :)`
`22:26.00`	`Patlabor221`	`check your highlight list`
`22:26.06`	`brlcad`	`Having a whole UNIX environment sitting under that hood makes for a terrific playground for geeks`
`22:26.08`	`Spiff`	`Where is that? :-)`
`22:26.28`	`Patlabor221`	`somewhere in the prefrecens, look around, don't be scared`
`22:26.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`I use FreeBSD for my servers since that's what I'm used to and I don't have to spend as much time learning about it.`
`22:27.07`	`Patlabor221`	`brlcad you should send jbd that crapy mac subspace clone I did :)`
`22:27.20`	`JBDiGriz`	`One day spiff will make a good tester at a company. He has a good attitude for it! ;-)`
`22:27.27`	`brlcad`	`Apple has done some serious magic slapping together a user-friendly interface over a beast the likes of bsd`
`22:27.38`	`brlcad`	`lol`
`22:27.43`	`brlcad`	`shave away :)`
`22:27.52`	`brlcad`	`leave the muff, though`
`22:27.56`	`bzgirl`	`fiberchunks_: pics`
`22:28.09`	`JBDiGriz`	`You know you're getting old when you have to shave more under the nose than on top!`
`22:28.10`	`fiberchunks_`	`http://goldengallery.homelinux.org -- look for the fat dude ;)`
`22:28.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`that would be me ;)`
`22:28.38`	`Spiff`	`Spiff`
`22:28.43`	`Spiff`	`Someone say Spiff please?`
`22:28.52`	`Patlabor221`	`what Spiff`
`22:29.06`	`Spiff`	`Okies.. it seems to work okay now. :-)`
`22:29.19`	`Spiff`	`And I'm curious, JB, is that a compliment? LoL`
`22:29.20`	`brlcad`	`I will NOT say Spiff!`
`22:30.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`Good testers are valuable to have at any company.`
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`22:31.52`	`Spiff`	`I could be a video gam tester.... hmmm... or not.`
`22:31.59`	`Spiff`	`game^`
`22:32.08`	`Patlabor221`	`it's rather booring`
`22:32.14`	`Spiff`	`My thought exactly.`
`22:32.18`	`Patlabor221`	`most testing is`
`22:32.33`	`Spiff`	`Besides... I have good eyes.. I'd like to keep 'em that way. ;-)`
`22:32.41`	`brlcad`	`hmm.. bzfs.cxx has been trimmed down by 60%. 10000 lines total, about 6000 in bzfs.cxx`
`22:32.50`	`larsl`	`JBDiGriz: Do you have hair on the top of your nose? =)`
`22:32.52`	`brlcad`	`granted about 1000 of those were not necessary prior to the split`
`22:33.37`	`Patlabor221`	`a properly calabrated monitor should be no worse on your eyes then looking outside`
`22:33.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`larsl obviously isn't old enough to know about hair migration!`
`22:34.01`	`brlcad`	`what if looking outside hurts your eyes`
`22:34.11`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm luikeen eldtrich or troll berzerker`
`22:34.14`	`Spiff`	`Hmm... I dunno.`
`22:34.20`	`Patlabor221`	`then you are screwed`
`22:34.27`	`Patlabor221`	`and should get out more :)`
`22:34.31`	`brlcad`	`hehe`
`22:34.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`His bicycle arrives tomorrow!`
`22:34.47`	`Patlabor221`	`don't fear the big blue room`
`22:35.20`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: I see the bandana guy with the guitar. Where's the fat guy?`
`22:36.03`	`brlcad`	`different album`
`22:36.21`	`Spiff`	`You know.....`
`22:36.32`	`Spiff`	`This screen is easier on my eyes when the resolution is higher.`
`22:37.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`Mr. White Castle?`
`22:40.18`	`brlcad`	`mmmm.. gurgers`
`22:40.24`	`brlcad`	`eep .. burgers`
`22:42.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`I think I found him. http://goldengallery.homelinux.org/album08/p8070056`
`22:42.50`	`brlcad`	`yep`
`22:42.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`on the left?`
`22:43.12`	`Spiff`	`Who?`
`22:43.18`	`brlcad`	`yep`
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`22:51.31`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`is this #poker?`
`22:51.49`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`eh`
`22:52.01`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i ate indian food, becareful ;)`
`22:54.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`look at the 'mountain hike' photos`
`22:56.27`	`larsl`	`What happened to the picture thread in bzbb:Players?`
`22:56.33`	`larsl`	`Or was that another forum?`
`22:56.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`rather, the 'hike to boot lake' photos -- I'm the one, that if you've seen 'Fandango' who looks like Dorman`
`22:57.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`larsl: I think you're thinking of the Images topic in the Etc... category`
`22:57.32`	`larsl`	`fiberchunks_: Yes, that's it. Thanks.`
`22:58.43`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks_: We were looking at the last ones in Mine Shaft`
`22:59.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`you won't see me in the mine shaft photos -- I was snapping all the pics`
`22:59.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`brlcad claimed that was you in the final couple of pics.`
`22:59.54`	`JBDiGriz`	`the group shots`
`23:00.03`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh yeah, indeed, forgot about those`
`23:04.08`	`fiberchunks_`	`http://goldengallery.homelinux.org/album04/p8080011 is most representative of my 'nature' ;)`
`23:05.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`I would have expected to see you in a lotus position with beer bottle resting by one knee! ;-)`
`23:05.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`lol`
`23:05.43`	`fiberchunks_`	`good idea for a photo though, thanks ;) (I'd probably break something attempting to lift one leg over the other though)`
`23:05.52`	`larsl`	`fiberchunks_: Have you seen this: "Warning: Unknown(): Your script possibly relies on a session side-effect blah blah blah"`
`23:06.01`	`JBDiGriz`	`Do the half lotus instead of a full lotus!`
`23:06.08`	`fiberchunks_`	`yah, I have -- I gotta fix that`
`23:07.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`Feel better pat!`
`23:14.01`	`fiberchunks_`	`larsl, can you check again, I think I fixed it`
`23:15.04`	`larsl`	`fiberchunks_: Yes, no warning.`
`23:15.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`Looks better in my browser as well.`
`23:16.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`cool`
`23:16.15`	`fiberchunks_`	`thx`
`23:19.27`	`fiberchunks_`	`man, it's hot up here`
`23:19.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`~weather ksan`
`23:20.05`	`fiberchunks_`	`~weather groton, CT`
`23:20.11`	`larsl`	`~stockholm`
`23:20.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah`
`23:20.45`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah, now stockholm I could handle -- 54 -- that's lovely`
`23:20.51`	`fiberchunks_`	`errr, 57 rather`
`23:21.06`	`larsl`	`But that's mostly because it's 1:19 AM here. =)`
`23:21.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`23:21.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`a little chilly for my taste, but it is evening there!`
`23:23.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`~weather kokx`
`23:24.15`	`fiberchunks_`	`~weather kokx`
`23:24.36`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm not sure you can say that in a family channel! ;-)`
`23:24.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`hrm, is ibot having issues? I keep getting messages regarding fork count`
`23:26.25`	`larsl`	`Me too.`
`23:26.34`	`fiberchunks_`	`so, I'm taking my girlfriend and son on a cruise to cozumel, ocho rios, and grand cayman in a couple of months`
`23:27.18`	`*** join/#bzflag DTRemenak (~DTRemenak@host-224-48.dialup.innercite.com)`
`23:27.43`	`Spiff`	`Grand Cayman r0x0rz, fiber. :-)`
`23:27.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`cool`
`23:28.00`	`fiberchunks_`	`7 day cruise, should be fun`
`23:28.06`	`Spiff`	`You should go to the Church Of God on Walkers Road there...... everyone and their brother knows me. :-D`
`23:28.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`now spiff, you know I'm not religious ;)`
`23:28.40`	`Spiff`	`So? :-) You'd like the church.. it's cool.. and the people are awesome. :-)`
`23:32.39`	`fiberchunks_`	`yay! the usual suspects is on at 8 -- finally a decent movie is on`
`23:32.58`	`Spiff`	`So.. are you just stopping for like an afternoon? Or do ya get to stay for a while?`
`23:33.20`	`fiberchunks_`	`just for a few hours on land in both cayman and ocho rios -- cozumel is almost a day`
`23:34.06`	`Spiff`	`Bummer.`
`23:34.37`	`Spiff`	`But then again.... half of those are girl's houses... that might not be good. :-)`
`23:35.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`lol`
`23:38.00`	`Spiff`	`Cayman is awesome for snorkeling tho.. and that's more fun that girls. ;-)`
`23:38.04`	`Spiff`	`Or is it? 0:)`
`23:40.42`	`Spiff`	`Btw fiber... is TazMainiac around much? I've seen him once in like two or three months.`
`23:40.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`haven't seen him in ages`
`23:43.48`	`Spiff`	`Hmmmm. I wonder if he's aliased more often now. He was starting to do that about the time Turkey started slowing down.`
`23:48.22`	`Spiff`	`It seems as if The Titans have sorta... disbanded. Not totally tho.`
`23:48.24`	`tea\|tree_`	`hello all`
`23:48.37`	`Spiff`	`Hiya tea. Geez.. a bit late there, isn't it? :-)`
`23:49.48`	`BZSpiff`	`Finally. :-)`
`23:53.44`	`fiberchunks_`	`yah, but they were never together, since there is no such animal as an FFA league`
`23:53.47`	`fiberchunks_`	`?`
`23:55.55`	`tea\|tree`	`yeah`
`23:56.00`	`BZSpiff`	`That's pretty much true. :-( We usually saw eachother a lot though. The team is made up of most of the old Turkey crowd.`
`23:56.21`	`BZSpiff`	`Except for Quol. He wasn't as much of a Turkey junkie.. same with BuBu.`
`23:56.30`	`tea\|tree`	`Quol rockerz`
`23:56.36`	`tea\|tree`	`know him nearly 2 years`
`23:56.40`	`tea\|tree`	`and that via BZ ^^`

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