| 00:00.16 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.131.224) |
| 00:00.18 | Chikorita | i tho he fell offa da BZ plane of existance 4 a momo |
| 00:00.19 | enlightened | boliva eh? so *that* is his _excuse_ .. sheesh -- slacker |
| 00:00.27 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:00.45 | Chikorita | no he really iz there , he told mee awhile ago he was going |
| 00:00.52 | sussudio | 2 teamkillers on xmission, Krazyfool@12.234.92.65 and "i shit my pants"@65.71.64.191. if anyone's an admin here, ban em. otherwise, blah. |
| 00:02.18 | enlightened | bryjen: what's the point of the /command code on the client-side?? |
| 00:02.19 | Chikorita | i was a lil worry 4 him cuz it can b alil dangerous travelin down there in central america |
| 00:02.34 | enlightened | bolivia's not too bad |
| 00:02.39 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 00:03.02 | Chikorita | *looks at a map* |
| 00:03.09 | enlightened | even for a englaterrian like him |
| 00:03.35 | enlightened | mexico is much worse -- columbia can be hell |
| 00:04.25 | enlightened | chika, it's due north of argentina and to the west and south of brazil |
| 00:04.44 | Chikorita | o bolivia iz in south america ..not central |
| 00:05.00 | Chikorita | i was tinking BELize |
| 00:05.08 | Chikorita | n/m |
| 00:05.15 | [dmp] | the gui-menus (where you find servers and stuff) .. cant they be used for commands as well? like you press a key, which brings up a menu (kinda like when you press escape) and you can select the commands available? |
| 00:05.16 | sussudio | ok nobody gives a rat's ass. why do i even bother. |
| 00:05.52 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:05.56 | [dmp] | .. not a pig? :) |
| 00:05.57 | Chikorita | :x |
| 00:06.13 | enlightened | he wanted a rat's this time.. *shrug* |
| 00:06.50 | patlabor221 | he dosn't know that admins don't really hang out here |
| 00:06.56 | enlightened | ~xmission |
| 00:07.09 | enlightened | pfft! tim is on there |
| 00:07.16 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:07.24 | JBDiGriz | Well, the admin of xmission is right there as an observer, and he probably read about it here. |
| 00:07.29 | bryjen | and Tim's here alot. Just not _here_ |
| 00:07.46 | enlightened | hehe -- he moved! |
| 00:07.47 | patlabor221 | he's here :) |
| 00:07.47 | Chikorita | hi tim |
| 00:08.09 | JBDiGriz | I guess someone did give a rat's ass! |
| 00:08.19 | bryjen | Put that flag back in the game. You're not supposed to be using them here. ;) |
| 00:08.21 | enlightened | you keep those handy too, tim? |
| 00:08.39 | JBDiGriz | Tim's pretty handy with the trout. |
| 00:08.42 | patlabor221 | sussudio is just an angry monkey |
| 00:09.09 | Chikorita | uh oh |
| 00:09.10 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:09.16 | patlabor221 | scared of a little fish? |
| 00:09.29 | JBDiGriz | Have you seen the size of those suckers? |
| 00:09.29 | Chikorita | wen itz in tims hands yes |
| 00:09.38 | enlightened | Mmm.. sushi |
| 00:10.10 | TimRiker | xmission does need more admins, but many admins abuse the power. bad admins are worse than no admins |
| 00:10.28 | patlabor221 | this is one of the truths of the universe |
| 00:10.50 | patlabor221 | often those who are worthy of the power don't want it. |
| 00:10.53 | JBDiGriz | Find people who don't want to be admins, they tend not to abuse the power. |
| 00:11.06 | Chikorita | tru |
| 00:11.08 | patlabor221 | heh, |
| 00:11.09 | TimRiker | yeah, but how to find them? |
| 00:11.14 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: Great minds think alike! |
| 00:11.14 | larsl | But how would you persuade them to be admins? =) |
| 00:11.20 | patlabor221 | I was thinking the same thing |
| 00:11.26 | patlabor221 | Tim, bake sale? :) |
| 00:11.29 | Chikorita | lol |
| 00:11.33 | bryjen | bribery? |
| 00:11.34 | Chikorita | cookies ! |
| 00:12.03 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 00:12.14 | JBDiGriz | Those all sound like good ideas to me! (along with sushi) |
| 00:14.13 | patlabor221 | haven't have raw fish in a bit now |
| 00:14.23 | patlabor221 | or even tepan |
| 00:14.52 | bryjen | heh. we're up to five pages of servers. and all the players are still on the first page. |
| 00:14.53 | enlightened | Mmm.. sushi |
| 00:15.04 | JBDiGriz | ~bzflist |
| 00:15.08 | patlabor221 | 50 servers for 100 people |
| 00:15.08 | enlightened | sushi sounds like a great idea |
| 00:15.24 | JBDiGriz | 49 servers for 47 players |
| 00:15.35 | patlabor221 | that's now? |
| 00:15.43 | patlabor221 | I was thinking on average :) |
| 00:15.51 | Chikorita | wel...itz da evening lull period..itll pick up again lata |
| 00:16.13 | JBDiGriz | The west coast hasn't started up yet. |
| 00:16.14 | patlabor221 | rarely gets over 100 people tho |
| 00:16.16 | Chikorita | wen all da west coast peeple get home an play |
| 00:16.18 | Chikorita | ya |
| 00:16.24 | patlabor221 | it's 5 here now |
| 00:16.42 | JBDiGriz | and everyone is on the freeway fighting traffic |
| 00:16.49 | bryjen | still drive-home time then |
| 00:17.02 | Chikorita | hmm no1 on spirals.. |
| 00:17.02 | patlabor221 | for the time the logger has been running it hasn't ever goten over 100 |
| 00:17.45 | TimRiker | so who's a good admin? I've seen ElectricElf around a lot. |
| 00:17.49 | patlabor221 | yearly average is 34 servers for 48 players |
| 00:18.04 | enlightened | so .. does anyone know what is up with the "commands" in the bzflag client-side code? ServerCommandKey class (extends from HUDuiDefaultKey class) |
| 00:18.27 | enlightened | that sounds like a command menu or something |
| 00:18.28 | patlabor221 | that's how all the commands are processed now |
| 00:18.53 | enlightened | where is that? -- it's part of the HUD? |
| 00:19.17 | TimRiker | patlabor221: where'd you get that? from http://list.bzflag.org/ ? |
| 00:19.20 | enlightened | or is it like keybindings for the various commands? |
| 00:19.21 | patlabor221 | all actions in the game are now in the command list |
| 00:19.24 | patlabor221 | TimRiker yeah |
| 00:19.36 | patlabor221 | it's part of they keybindings |
| 00:19.41 | Chikorita | jus dunt make Budhha with Shockwave an admin...big mistake |
| 00:19.42 | patlabor221 | keys are bound to commands |
| 00:19.58 | patlabor221 | like your i key problem |
| 00:20.00 | enlightened | it's a shame that the command list is duplicated there |
| 00:20.22 | patlabor221 | well you can bind multiple keys to the same command |
| 00:20.29 | patlabor221 | or I think a slash command |
| 00:20.41 | patlabor221 | basicly the command list is all posible commands |
| 00:20.50 | patlabor221 | they key map is just one way to call them |
| 00:21.01 | patlabor221 | that's what I got from it when I dug thru it |
| 00:21.21 | enlightened | it would've been more convenient code-wise to have the client query the server for provided commands |
| 00:21.29 | enlightened | that way there'd be no duplication |
| 00:21.35 | patlabor221 | not all commands are server side |
| 00:21.53 | patlabor221 | this is all commands in the game |
| 00:21.59 | patlabor221 | including like "jump" |
| 00:22.02 | patlabor221 | and "inspect" |
| 00:22.04 | patlabor221 | and all that |
| 00:22.14 | patlabor221 | so you could bind them to any input device |
| 00:22.18 | enlightened | gotcha -- still would be nice for the server-provided ones :) |
| 00:22.26 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:22.37 | enlightened | and away he goes! |
| 00:22.50 | patlabor221 | just have the server give the strings, trigers, and the message format to send |
| 00:23.07 | patlabor221 | I think this is the first part of moving that direction |
| 00:23.14 | patlabor221 | the server still has it all hardcoded |
| 00:23.15 | enlightened | yep |
| 00:23.30 | enlightened | yes.. the commands are like in 4 places total.. |
| 00:23.36 | patlabor221 | in the worlds most ugly nested iff |
| 00:23.43 | patlabor221 | so fix it :) |
| 00:23.52 | enlightened | I'm contributing to it =) |
| 00:24.06 | patlabor221 | least your one one side of the fence :) |
| 00:24.30 | enlightened | that's only because I fell off the wagon :) |
| 00:24.50 | patlabor221 | you should get a moped or somethiing |
| 00:25.23 | TimRiker | ./me ops ElectricElf |
| 00:25.30 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:25.39 | Chikorita | he iz ok |
| 00:26.00 | TimRiker | yeah, I see him on enough. |
| 00:26.03 | bzgirl | TimRiker: good choice, Toronto lad too :) |
| 00:26.13 | Chikorita | he used 2 play ducati , buh now he a xmission reg now |
| 00:26.21 | TimRiker | bzgirl: heh. he said he'd bug you if he needed help. ;-) |
| 00:26.21 | enlightened | dunno if that's a smart choice given his potential power issues :) |
| 00:26.45 | bzgirl | :) |
| 00:26.58 | TimRiker | enlightened: I told him it was a trial. email me reports. both positive and negative. |
| 00:27.15 | TimRiker | we should start a karma system even if it's not tied into the game. |
| 00:27.25 | enlightened | :) |
| 00:27.26 | TimRiker | ~karma timriker |
| 00:27.26 | | timriker has karma of 1 |
| 00:27.26 | bzdoug | ~karma for TimRiker |
| 00:27.26 | | for timriker has neutral karma |
| 00:27.34 | enlightened | ~karma learner |
| 00:27.34 | | learner has neutral karma |
| 00:27.41 | enlightened | :/ |
| 00:27.53 | TimRiker | no motivation to do real karma in ibot/jbot though. |
| 00:28.11 | scanline | jbot? |
| 00:28.25 | patlabor221 | JiveBOT |
| 00:28.26 | TimRiker | ibot's non-logging cousin |
| 00:28.29 | bzdoug | jokingbot |
| 00:28.36 | scanline | ah |
| 00:28.43 | TimRiker | ~jbot is another blootbot like ibot that does not log to disk |
| 00:28.44 | | TimRiker: okay |
| 00:28.55 | *** join/#bzflag ElectricElf (david@electricelf.usercloak.freenode) |
| 00:28.55 | bzdoug | hmm, I could add it to noodlebot :) |
| 00:29.08 | Chikorita | hi elf |
| 00:29.12 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Hey again. |
| 00:29.12 | enlightened | will jbot translate ibot's speach into jive ?? =) |
| 00:29.18 | ElectricElf | Hey Chikorita :) |
| 00:29.20 | TimRiker | ~fishslap noodlebot |
| 00:29.21 | | ACTION slaps noodlebot up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 00:29.21 | bzdoug | enlightened: patches welcome |
| 00:29.34 | TimRiker | enlightened: not yet. patches welcome. |
| 00:29.46 | TimRiker | ohh. bzdoug beat me. ;-) |
| 00:30.01 | bzdoug | :) |
| 00:30.05 | enlightened | bzdoug: pfffft! |
| 00:30.14 | enlightened | tim: pfffft! |
| 00:30.18 | ElectricElf | noodlebot a blootbot? |
| 00:30.24 | bzdoug | no |
| 00:30.25 | ElectricElf | Er, ibot. |
| 00:30.31 | ElectricElf | So it is. |
| 00:30.32 | bzdoug | its a perl bot built by noodleman |
| 00:30.33 | patlabor221 | ibot is |
| 00:30.34 | | patlabor221: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:30.34 | ElectricElf | Spiffy. |
| 00:30.51 | bzdoug | and it doesnt require any silly additions like ibot does |
| 00:31.00 | patlabor221 | but it does a lot less |
| 00:31.20 | TimRiker | bzdoug: additions? like this? |
| 00:31.26 | TimRiker | ~1+2+3+4+5 |
| 00:31.26 | | 15 |
| 00:31.28 | Chikorita | heh |
| 00:31.34 | bzdoug | ~1*pi |
| 00:31.35 | | 3.1415 |
| 00:31.37 | bzdoug | hah |
| 00:31.42 | bzdoug | wow |
| 00:31.44 | Chikorita | can it do roman numerals now? |
| 00:31.53 | TimRiker | not yet. patches welcome |
| 00:32.12 | bzdoug | ~200*pi/2 |
| 00:32.12 | | 314.15 |
| 00:32.30 | patlabor221 | got a pi fettish there doug? |
| 00:32.46 | bzdoug | does it caculate pi each time? :) |
| 00:32.57 | Chikorita | ~karma Chikorita |
| 00:32.57 | | chikorita has neutral karma |
| 00:33.02 | patlabor221 | like it's gonna change? |
| 00:33.02 | Chikorita | :| |
| 00:33.08 | bzdoug | it might |
| 00:33.16 | patlabor221 | riiiiiiiigggggghhhhhhhttttttt |
| 00:33.23 | bzdoug | :D |
| 00:33.43 | TimRiker | !pi |
| 00:33.45 | TimRiker | ~pi |
| 00:33.46 | | somebody said pi was 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
| 00:33.48 | bzdoug | ack! |
| 00:34.20 | TimRiker | no. pi is a factoid as well as a search/replace in the math lib. |
| 00:34.27 | bzdoug | cool |
| 00:35.07 | scanline | ~literal pi |
| 00:35.49 | patlabor221 | it's not a factoid, so probably no literal |
| 00:36.04 | bzdoug | ~pii is <reply> see 7/21 |
| 00:36.08 | bzdoug | whats pi anyway? |
| 00:36.28 | patlabor221 | you mean what is it the ratio of? |
| 00:36.33 | patlabor221 | you don't know that? |
| 00:36.44 | enlightened | ~dict pi |
| 00:36.53 | bzdoug | the general consense of it :) |
| 00:37.11 | TimRiker | bzdoug: there is no exact math to get it. |
| 00:37.11 | patlabor221 | it's the circumference over the diamater of a circle |
| 00:37.30 | patlabor221 | it's one of the basic tennents of 7th grade geometry |
| 00:37.37 | enlightened | ouch |
| 00:37.41 | bryjen | pii is an intel processor |
| 00:38.00 | patlabor221 | pi * r ^2 you know all those formula |
| 00:38.05 | bzdoug | enlightened: bug bite? |
| 00:38.07 | TimRiker | if you can precisely measure the circumference and diamater to infinite precision then you can calculate it (given a calculator with infinite presision) |
| 00:38.09 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Who are the other admins on xmission? |
| 00:38.58 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: I don't keep a real list. some of the developers here know the admin password, but they have likely forgotten it anyway. ;-) |
| 00:38.59 | patlabor221 | really doug, noone ever tought you what pi was? |
| 00:39.08 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Oh, allright :) |
| 00:39.09 | bzdoug | I know what pi IS |
| 00:39.11 | patlabor221 | or you changed it :) |
| 00:39.41 | TimRiker | patlabor221: same one? |
| 00:39.43 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: You feel like going into more detail about the karma stuff you were talking about? |
| 00:39.46 | Chikorita | ~dict Hausodorff Metric |
| 00:39.47 | bzdoug | just forgot how to get soemthing to calc it almost :) |
| 00:39.58 | patlabor221 | I don't have the old one so dono |
| 00:40.19 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: (I can't stand carrying on a conversation in bzflag, so I really didn't want to get into it at that point :) |
| 00:40.24 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: http://bzflag.org/wiki/KarmaSystem |
| 00:40.33 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Thanks. |
| 00:41.28 | TimRiker | problem with advogato is that there is no motivation to rank people lower so eventually everyone ends up being master. |
| 00:42.05 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: There's also outright graft, which is more the kind of thing I look at in these kinds of systems. |
| 00:42.23 | TimRiker | I didn't sign up for the longest time, and then it took me like 3 days to get to Master. http://www.advogato.org/person/timriker/ |
| 00:42.39 | bzdoug | haha |
| 00:42.43 | TimRiker | graft? |
| 00:42.54 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Yeah, "you scratch my back I scratch yours." |
| 00:43.00 | TimRiker | ah. |
| 00:43.03 | TimRiker | ~dict graft |
| 00:43.05 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: At least a dozen people have offered that kind of thing to me. |
| 00:43.09 | bryjen | would having more levels help? |
| 00:43.23 | ElectricElf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.23 | ElectricElf | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:43.28 | ElectricElf | That's the way I was using it |
| 00:43.51 | ElectricElf | bryjen: It might make who was doing that sort of thing more apparent, since they'd need to do it a lot more. |
| 00:43.57 | patlabor221 | but illicit advantages are the best kind of advantages |
| 00:44.10 | TimRiker | bryjen: the KarmaSystem would have a variable ranks. you would rank people on a smaller scale though. say 1-10 or -5 to 5 etc. |
| 00:44.31 | ElectricElf | http://www.advogato.org/person/ElectricElf/ |
| 00:44.33 | Chikorita | o u can grow cherry tree parts on a plum tree? i didnt kno dat |
| 00:45.22 | ElectricElf | Chikorita: Oh, when I was young my mum took me to where she worked (Ministry of Agriculture in Food), and they did nifty stuff like that all the time. |
| 00:45.30 | ElectricElf | Chikorita: Very cool-looking plants :) |
| 00:45.41 | bryjen | wasn't there some confusion with someone call akira when some of you guys signed up? the one there isn't the one here? |
| 00:46.10 | TimRiker | Chikorita: yep. lots of fruit trees will take grafts from other types. |
| 00:46.27 | Chikorita | kewl |
| 00:46.44 | TimRiker | there are a lot of akiras in the world. |
| 00:47.31 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/ServerCommands is up-to-date? |
| 00:47.53 | Chikorita | mutant trees! ahh |
| 00:48.05 | Chikorita | i saw a tree dat grew str8 into a fence |
| 00:48.38 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: looks right. might be some minor issues. feel free to update it if you find errors. |
| 00:48.40 | patlabor221 | ElectricElf it looks to have the latest stuff, so yeah |
| 00:48.41 | Chikorita | i mean ,,,it actually grew into it an it became a part of it |
| 00:48.43 | bryjen | ElectricElf: should be about as close as the man page. that's where i copied it from ;) |
| 00:48.46 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Will do. |
| 00:48.53 | ElectricElf | patlabor221, bryjen: Thanks and thanks :) |
| 00:49.05 | patlabor221 | tho some of that is only in 1.9 i think |
| 00:49.12 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-194.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 00:49.19 | ElectricElf | bryjen: Not bzflag(6), surely? |
| 00:49.36 | ElectricElf | Might just be in the Debian package that it's missing. |
| 00:49.49 | Chikorita | wb jaybee |
| 00:49.53 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.11 | patlabor221 | well I don't think /deregister callsign is |
| 00:50.27 | learner | hi ho silver returns |
| 00:50.33 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: I think 1.9 man pages got updated, but not the 1.7 ones |
| 00:50.47 | patlabor221 | tho /set seems to be missing from that list and I know that's in 1.9 |
| 00:51.09 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.10 | TimRiker | ElectricElf: ahh. man bzfs |
| 00:51.11 | patlabor221 | should put what min version each of those commands is in |
| 00:51.23 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: Aaah :) |
| 00:51.25 | patlabor221 | then that must be all the g2 stuff |
| 00:51.42 | TimRiker | and it is in the debian bzfs man page |
| 00:51.53 | ElectricElf | TimRiker: No doubt yeah. I don't have the package installed though :) |
| 00:52.12 | patlabor221 | the orange one? :) |
| 00:52.49 | TimRiker | bryjen: next time put that in the page too. ;-) |
| 00:53.00 | bryjen | uh, doubtful. my terminal windows are normally black. I'd definately remember orange :) |
| 01:03.30 | patlabor221 | what happens if I cast a refrence to a class as an unsigned int? |
| 01:03.48 | learner | don't do that |
| 01:03.54 | TimRiker | ~fishslap patlabor221 |
| 01:03.55 | | ACTION slaps patlabor221 up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 01:03.59 | TimRiker | that |
| 01:04.19 | patlabor221 | well I didn't know |
| 01:04.30 | patlabor221 | I just need an ID for each class |
| 01:04.50 | scanline | if you want the address, you need to use the & operator |
| 01:05.07 | patlabor221 | I thought so |
| 01:05.18 | patlabor221 | but a guy here keesp going "they are just like pointers" |
| 01:05.22 | scanline | but casting to an unsigned int will only be safe if sizeof(unsigned int) == sizeof(void*) |
| 01:05.24 | TimRiker | pointer do not always equal the size of an int |
| 01:05.35 | patlabor221 | true |
| 01:05.49 | learner | bad things happen :) |
| 01:05.57 | patlabor221 | I can imagine |
| 01:05.58 | scanline | you'll probably want to use the preprocessor to search for a data type that's the same size as a pointer |
| 01:06.18 | patlabor221 | well I'll just make my own GUID thingy, it's easyer |
| 01:06.22 | patlabor221 | well safter |
| 01:06.27 | scanline | well, if all you need is a unique ID it wouldn't really be bad, since it's unlikely you'd end up with two objects that have the lower x bits identical |
| 01:06.29 | TimRiker | and if you serialize and deserialize it the address will change. but then you might consider that a new instance anyway. ;-) |
| 01:06.31 | patlabor221 | was just trying to find a way to get a player ID |
| 01:07.13 | patlabor221 | well I was trying to get away from keeping an ID->Peer map |
| 01:07.19 | TimRiker | in bzflag? there is a playerid. or in another project? |
| 01:07.38 | patlabor221 | it's research for BZ |
| 01:07.47 | patlabor221 | so it's not the same codebase |
| 01:07.58 | scanline | that sounds familiar |
| 01:08.00 | patlabor221 | enet gives me a "peer" refrence |
| 01:08.08 | TimRiker | ah. I suspect that clients and servers want to be able to pass small player numbers so you will need a network player id anyway. |
| 01:08.12 | patlabor221 | for each person you are connected to |
| 01:08.41 | TimRiker | is the peer value the same for anyone in the network? |
| 01:08.50 | patlabor221 | no it's not a value |
| 01:08.53 | patlabor221 | it's a class |
| 01:08.57 | patlabor221 | a refrence to a class |
| 01:09.07 | learner | recommendations on a safe way to pull the second word out of a user-provided string without hand coding my own parser? |
| 01:09.15 | learner | something ala sscanf |
| 01:09.16 | TimRiker | ah. so that's no good. you need an id you can send over the net. so you need a map. |
| 01:09.22 | ElectricElf | learner: sed(1)? :) |
| 01:09.28 | patlabor221 | but since in this model all comms go thru the server |
| 01:09.31 | learner | EE: C code |
| 01:09.40 | ElectricElf | learner: :) |
| 01:09.42 | learner | er, C++ code to be more specific |
| 01:09.44 | patlabor221 | so I could use the addy of the peer as the ID |
| 01:09.45 | scanline | learner: strchr() |
| 01:09.56 | scanline | bah, to be more specific? :P |
| 01:10.01 | patlabor221 | but only if I can take the ID back to the peer |
| 01:10.01 | learner | :) |
| 01:10.01 | TimRiker | patlabor221: so the server will have a unique id for each. and all the players should know that map. |
| 01:10.12 | scanline | C and C++ are different enough, especially in string processing... |
| 01:10.23 | TimRiker | you need to afaict |
| 01:10.25 | patlabor221 | well the server sends the players ID to all the clients when it joins |
| 01:10.44 | TimRiker | and you cache that, yes? |
| 01:10.49 | learner | scanline: that would be my path if I parse it myself |
| 01:10.49 | patlabor221 | the clients do |
| 01:11.14 | learner | is there a std::string method that might work well enough? |
| 01:11.14 | patlabor221 | the clients can't use the value cept to the server as there are no client client connections |
| 01:11.14 | scanline | learner: is this an STL string or a C string? |
| 01:11.24 | scanline | ah |
| 01:11.29 | learner | scanline: doesn't matter -- iether will do if it's clean enough |
| 01:11.34 | scanline | learner: http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/table_of_contents.html |
| 01:11.37 | learner | and overflow safe |
| 01:11.40 | patlabor221 | the only real enet "peer" the client has is to the server |
| 01:12.03 | TimRiker | ah |
| 01:12.12 | patlabor221 | and I'm not woried about 3 bytes |
| 01:12.24 | patlabor221 | but a 64 bit void* would jacke me up |
| 01:12.31 | patlabor221 | so I can't use it |
| 01:13.06 | patlabor221 | mostly I was just trying to be slick :) |
| 01:13.22 | learner | mmmm.. std::string->find() could do the trick |
| 01:14.03 | patlabor221 | I've allways used strstr for that |
| 01:14.23 | patlabor221 | or stristr, but I don't know if you have that |
| 01:14.39 | patlabor221 | no |
| 01:14.48 | patlabor221 | I have some difrent str funcs then you do |
| 01:14.56 | patlabor221 | I for case insensitive |
| 01:15.10 | patlabor221 | there is also strrstr |
| 01:15.46 | learner | you should have (and use) strnstr -- it's the overflow-preventive strstr |
| 01:16.01 | patlabor221 | I don't need to |
| 01:16.11 | patlabor221 | I was just saying what I have used in the past |
| 01:16.26 | scanline | why don't you need strnstr? |
| 01:16.33 | patlabor221 | cus strstr works |
| 01:16.45 | learner | strnstr is almost always a better choice over strstr |
| 01:16.46 | patlabor221 | and I'm not comparing string right now :) |
| 01:16.59 | scanline | er |
| 01:17.00 | patlabor221 | I'm sending UDP packets |
| 01:17.25 | scanline | learner: are you sure about strnstr? strstr shouldn't need overflow protection since it doesn't write to anything |
| 01:17.40 | patlabor221 | I have used strnstr when I need to, like when I don't know what the input string is |
| 01:17.58 | patlabor221 | I only use it when I want to limit a search |
| 01:18.02 | learner | if the memory is precorrupted -- you could still get hosed |
| 01:18.05 | patlabor221 | like if there is crap I don't know about at the end. |
| 01:18.17 | patlabor221 | then what would you put in for the N? |
| 01:18.28 | patlabor221 | some "big" number? |
| 01:18.40 | learner | your max expected input |
| 01:18.57 | patlabor221 | just make sure your input is terminated then |
| 01:18.58 | TimRiker | strnstr just allows you to check a buffer that might not be null terminated. |
| 01:19.02 | patlabor221 | make all kidns of stuff early |
| 01:19.24 | patlabor221 | tho when I have to do that stuff I have the CString class |
| 01:22.47 | patlabor221 | damn, never gonna be able to have more then 4 billion players on at a time :) |
| 01:23.21 | patlabor221 | have to tell china they can't play |
| 01:23.37 | learner | at least not all at once :) |
| 01:23.48 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:23.54 | patlabor221 | they would have to take turns |
| 01:24.10 | patlabor221 | or I think at that point I could open up another server |
| 01:25.00 | patlabor221 | just to be nice. |
| 01:25.15 | learner | heh |
| 01:25.34 | patlabor221 | make sure ya cooke em first |
| 01:25.36 | learner | taco's or sushi.. hrmmm.. |
| 01:26.05 | patlabor221 | or perhaps the fact that there isn't enough RAM to do that |
| 01:26.16 | bzdoug | hah |
| 01:26.51 | patlabor221 | still these self packing, self sending messages are soo nice :) |
| 01:27.03 | patlabor221 | message.Send(peer); |
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| 02:52.17 | learner | jeesh -- i leave for an hour and not a word is said.. |
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| 02:53.16 | Patlabor221 | word |
| 02:54.07 | Patlabor221 | word! |
| 02:54.22 | learner | up! |
| 02:54.29 | Patlabor221 | G! |
| 02:54.35 | learner | sup |
| 02:54.48 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmm cruchy koolaid :) |
| 02:55.44 | learner | new dorito flavor? |
| 02:56.04 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:56.09 | Patlabor221 | got the mixture a bit off |
| 02:56.25 | Patlabor221 | considering I just poured some in and put some water in it |
| 02:56.45 | learner | heh |
| 02:57.01 | learner | don't think I've drank koolaid in over a year |
| 02:57.22 | Patlabor221 | DON"T mix it with taquiia |
| 02:57.37 | learner | Mmm.. yes -- that's good just strait up |
| 03:10.09 | ElectricElf | learner: Here's hoping you're talking about the tequilla :) |
| 03:10.44 | learner | heh, of course ;) |
| 03:10.51 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmm kool-aid powder :) |
| 03:10.52 | ElectricElf | Good good ;) |
| 03:11.05 | ElectricElf | Patlabor221: More of an Iced Tea power man myself, but to each his own. |
| 03:12.01 | learner | man.. this bzfs /command func is nasty |
| 03:12.12 | Patlabor221 | very |
| 03:12.28 | learner | someone remind me to make all of the commands individual functions with a well defined interface and defined in one place |
| 03:12.35 | Patlabor221 | but then I say that about all sentances that start with BZFS |
| 03:12.42 | learner | heh |
| 03:13.03 | Patlabor221 | no you must have the GIANT cascading IF with string compares |
| 03:13.32 | learner | how about I replace it all with goto and set/longjmps :) |
| 03:14.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:15.08 | Patlabor221 | or just do byte offsets in the stack |
| 03:15.22 | learner | glad we're on the same page :) |
| 03:16.12 | learner | I'm thinking there needs to be some sort of command class/registry object where commands can be registered |
| 03:16.18 | Patlabor221 | but send the offsets to the client for storage and make them send the offset with each comment |
| 03:16.57 | learner | then parseCommand would be a very simple call and would just perhaps setup and argc/argv style set of arguments |
| 03:17.22 | learner | then each /command would just be a method or callback func that get's called by the registry class |
| 03:17.24 | Patlabor221 | that would be the smart wayt |
| 03:17.41 | Patlabor221 | then hook up a python interperter and have server side plugins register command handalers |
| 03:17.59 | learner | Oo.. |
| 03:18.07 | Patlabor221 | but then that's just silly talk |
| 03:18.11 | learner | crazy talk |
| 03:18.27 | Patlabor221 | not that, that's what I have planed :) |
| 03:18.35 | learner | at least scanline didn't hear that.. *ahem* |
| 03:18.40 | Patlabor221 | tho even further down, on a message type level |
| 03:20.25 | Patlabor221 | I really wanted to use the address of the peer as it's ID, :( |
| 03:20.35 | Patlabor221 | that would have been SOOOO slick |
| 03:20.40 | scanline | silly Patlabor221, addresses are for pointers |
| 03:20.50 | scanline | it would have been a silly security hole, not slick :P |
| 03:20.53 | learner | shhhhh.. he's here! |
| 03:21.00 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 03:21.18 | scanline | and a very good way for the client and server to segfault each other |
| 03:21.25 | Patlabor221 | so now it's just an int that keeps geting biger |
| 03:21.46 | learner | this new command is turning out to be one of the largest/most complicated |
| 03:21.52 | learner | really should be a routine.. |
| 03:22.21 | Patlabor221 | now you know why it took me 2 trys to do the admin commands |
| 03:22.27 | Patlabor221 | try adding a texture :) |
| 03:22.41 | learner | that's the _second_ try .. :) |
| 03:22.57 | bzgirl | learner: what command are you adding? |
| 03:23.08 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.18 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.23 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.32 | learner | but the latter two are very simple |
| 03:23.50 | Patlabor221 | the first one probably needs a number of paramaters |
| 03:23.59 | learner | that's what's making it hairy |
| 03:24.04 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.05 | Patlabor221 | and it's a pain to verify those things |
| 03:24.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:24.09 | learner | yup |
| 03:24.17 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.26 | Patlabor221 | had issues with that with the group commands |
| 03:24.34 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:24.36 | Patlabor221 | got VERY long |
| 03:24.53 | Patlabor221 | _ /vote hell_yeah |
| 03:25.14 | learner | I'm throwing in /poll vote|veto just to ease confusion |
| 03:26.00 | bzgirl | can observers vote/poll? |
| 03:26.12 | learner | what do you think? |
| 03:26.30 | bzgirl | well, 4 observers could kick someone off maybe |
| 03:26.39 | bzgirl | 4 bad guys |
| 03:26.45 | bzgirl | unlikely i suppose |
| 03:26.59 | Patlabor221 | or 4 bots that are observers |
| 03:27.05 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 03:27.34 | learner | same could be said of 4 cheaters/bots |
| 03:27.38 | learner | that are playing |
| 03:27.39 | Patlabor221 | 4 of those nice admin consoles, or pybzflags, hacked right |
| 03:27.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:27.47 | bzgirl | can anyone vote? otr registerd only? |
| 03:27.53 | Patlabor221 | but observers are less likey to be noticed |
| 03:27.54 | learner | configurable |
| 03:28.11 | learner | I'm going to leave the permissions up to the quaint permissions system |
| 03:28.35 | Patlabor221 | did you add a new perm? |
| 03:28.48 | learner | I was saving that for later |
| 03:28.53 | Patlabor221 | well probably 2 perms |
| 03:29.03 | Patlabor221 | poll and vote |
| 03:29.11 | learner | ah, I added that |
| 03:29.14 | Patlabor221 | perms arn't hard to add |
| 03:31.01 | learner | i was having issues with the hasPerm(t, poll), etc at first until I realized that it was what was blocking the command |
| 03:31.33 | learner | am i mistaken in my conclusion that if I wanted the command to be on by default, that there is a little section to say that (like for lagstats) |
| 03:31.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah there is a part where the default group is set up |
| 03:32.02 | Patlabor221 | just add it to the the initalisation of the default group |
| 03:32.11 | learner | okay, good -- then i'm pretty sure I set that right |
| 03:32.52 | Patlabor221 | it's where these are set |
| 03:32.53 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.53 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:32.53 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:33.03 | learner | yep - that's it |
| 03:33.14 | learner | good |
| 03:33.18 | learner | so... |
| 03:33.25 | Patlabor221 | admin autmaticly sets them all |
| 03:34.04 | learner | I'm leaning towards requiring registration -- just to limit abuse mainly |
| 03:34.29 | Patlabor221 | well we don't set the registed group by default |
| 03:34.30 | Patlabor221 | but you could |
| 03:34.35 | learner | there's less tendancy for a bad player to register.. so they won't influence the vote and make it easier to get a majority |
| 03:34.36 | Patlabor221 | and set that as there perm |
| 03:34.54 | learner | eh? |
| 03:35.12 | learner | I was thinking of using the accessInfo.verified field |
| 03:35.38 | Patlabor221 | no, when you register you are asigned to the "registerd" group |
| 03:35.41 | Patlabor221 | don't hard code it |
| 03:35.47 | Patlabor221 | do the same thing I did with default |
| 03:35.53 | Patlabor221 | but only set your new perms |
| 03:36.00 | Patlabor221 | cus somone may not care about it |
| 03:36.12 | Patlabor221 | they may want to do anyone |
| 03:36.16 | learner | I'm not following you |
| 03:36.30 | learner | ah -- wait -- now i am |
| 03:36.57 | learner | you're saying there _is_ a registered group |
| 03:37.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:37.06 | learner | it just needs to be set when a user registers |
| 03:37.07 | Patlabor221 | it's just a name |
| 03:37.16 | Patlabor221 | it IS set when somone registerd |
| 03:37.23 | Patlabor221 | it's just not made by default |
| 03:37.29 | Patlabor221 | so you never get any perms from it |
| 03:37.31 | learner | "made"? |
| 03:37.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:37.45 | Patlabor221 | we only create 2 groups automaticly |
| 03:37.48 | Patlabor221 | ADMIN and DEFAULT |
| 03:37.57 | Patlabor221 | all the others are loaded from the groups file |
| 03:38.12 | Patlabor221 | you could make REGISTERD at start up ( if it's not in the file ) |
| 03:38.16 | learner | gotcha -- we'd need to add a registered one |
| 03:38.21 | Patlabor221 | and add your vote perm |
| 03:38.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:38.35 | learner | can an admin's perms still override it? |
| 03:38.37 | Patlabor221 | so then by default ( i.e. if a server admin dosn't set a group file ) |
| 03:38.40 | Patlabor221 | allways |
| 03:38.46 | Patlabor221 | admin gives every permission |
| 03:38.47 | learner | er, admin's groups file |
| 03:39.04 | Patlabor221 | there may or may not be an admin group in the file |
| 03:39.07 | learner | say, if an admin didn't want to require registration |
| 03:39.12 | Patlabor221 | if there is not, admin has all perms |
| 03:39.29 | Patlabor221 | then he would add your vote perm to the default group in the file |
| 03:39.36 | learner | no, no -- i mean if an admin didn't want to require registration, could their groups file describe this? |
| 03:39.39 | learner | ah.. |
| 03:39.45 | learner | you answered there ;) |
| 03:39.55 | Patlabor221 | groups only add perms, never take them away |
| 03:40.09 | Patlabor221 | all your group perms are cumulitive |
| 03:40.28 | learner | so, he would be screwed if he wanted only admins to vote/poll, but that wouldn't make sense |
| 03:40.38 | learner | since admin's can kick/ban anyways |
| 03:40.41 | learner | so it's good |
| 03:41.16 | Patlabor221 | no if he wanted that he would add a "registerd" group that did NOT have your vote perm |
| 03:41.29 | learner | i might be poking you later about setting up that registered group |
| 03:41.34 | Patlabor221 | that would cause the automatic group to not be created |
| 03:41.43 | Patlabor221 | we only auto create groups at startup if they don't exist |
| 03:41.46 | learner | I'm going to get it working first, though - permissionless |
| 03:42.00 | Patlabor221 | hooking up perms is easy |
| 03:42.16 | learner | so says the guy that wrote the perms code ;) |
| 03:42.36 | Patlabor221 | well I tried to make it easy |
| 03:42.38 | learner | we'll see when I try adding :) |
| 03:43.00 | learner | it was easy enough to add the vote/poll/ban perms |
| 03:43.03 | Patlabor221 | just copy the "default" code, and change the name to REGISTERD |
| 03:43.12 | Patlabor221 | then set your perms you want |
| 03:43.18 | Patlabor221 | then just check for them in your commands |
| 03:43.18 | learner | and I understood/found the explicitAllows thing |
| 03:43.19 | Patlabor221 | that's it |
| 03:43.23 | Patlabor221 | the rest is working |
| 03:43.55 | Patlabor221 | well there is no in game interface to set explicid allow or deny yet |
| 03:44.16 | Patlabor221 | if you just call the hasPerm() funk it will take care of reading it |
| 03:44.39 | Patlabor221 | it first checks to see if you are denyed it |
| 03:44.45 | Patlabor221 | then if you are allowed it |
| 03:44.49 | learner | there are two of those explicitAllows sections -- one in the /reload handler, the other in main |
| 03:44.53 | Patlabor221 | then it checks if any of your groups have it |
| 03:44.55 | learner | set it in both? |
| 03:45.06 | Patlabor221 | you never set those |
| 03:45.11 | Patlabor221 | never ever ever |
| 03:45.24 | Patlabor221 | the are only read from the file |
| 03:45.45 | Patlabor221 | it allows an admin to add or take away a single perm with out using a group |
| 03:45.47 | learner | I'm not following -- that's where lagstats is setup |
| 03:45.59 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 03:46.16 | learner | I'm referring to the same bit of code you pasted earlier |
| 03:46.20 | learner | it's in two sections |
| 03:46.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 03:46.29 | Patlabor221 | well yeah that is a chese |
| 03:46.36 | learner | once in main() and once in /reload |
| 03:46.38 | Patlabor221 | a group and a user use the same structure |
| 03:46.54 | Patlabor221 | groups only check the allow fields |
| 03:46.57 | Patlabor221 | they don't use the deny |
| 03:47.31 | Patlabor221 | cus people allmost allways belong to more then one group |
| 03:47.45 | Patlabor221 | everyone is in default |
| 03:48.01 | Patlabor221 | everyone who registers is in "REGEISTERED" |
| 03:48.17 | Patlabor221 | if you have any groups in your player database those are added as well |
| 03:49.23 | learner | I'm adding what I think looks right -- you can chastize me and burm me in sacrifice to the coding gods later if I miss anything |
| 03:49.56 | Patlabor221 | ehh well they riped my code a new one so It's not mine anymore |
| 03:50.03 | Patlabor221 | it got UGLY |
| 03:50.19 | learner | suure.. blame it on 'they' |
| 03:50.53 | learner | cool. that should work better |
| 03:51.08 | Patlabor221 | ok, Cap and Chestal |
| 03:51.10 | learner | I'd been undecided about whether to require registration by default or not |
| 03:51.12 | Patlabor221 | them is they :) |
| 03:51.15 | learner | heh |
| 03:51.16 | Patlabor221 | I would |
| 03:51.34 | learner | yea -- as I was writing it, I came to that conclusion |
| 03:51.50 | learner | there's enough precedent of abuse to limit it as much as is possible |
| 03:51.54 | Patlabor221 | slap it in and make them change it |
| 03:52.19 | learner | it'll also promote user registrations |
| 03:52.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:52.38 | learner | which would be a very good thing if the server had better logging facilities :) |
| 03:52.55 | Patlabor221 | maybe we can have a wave file that plays if they don't register that says "F**ING REGISTER@!!!!" |
| 03:53.06 | learner | hehe |
| 03:53.36 | Patlabor221 | did you watch the Red Vs. Blue movies? |
| 03:54.03 | learner | not yet |
| 03:54.09 | Patlabor221 | ohh you need to |
| 03:54.32 | learner | I was watching OLS, but it really made my coding productivity drop :) |
| 03:54.52 | Patlabor221 | the RvB ones are short |
| 03:54.56 | Patlabor221 | couple min each |
| 03:57.12 | learner | do I need to do anything to set up the "REGISTERED" accessGroup array entry other than setting those explicitA... and setting that to the group entry? |
| 03:57.32 | Patlabor221 | well change the name :) |
| 03:57.46 | Patlabor221 | do the same thing just with the difrent name |
| 03:58.06 | learner | don't use REGISTERED? |
| 03:58.17 | Patlabor221 | use registeed |
| 03:58.32 | Patlabor221 | do the same as default, just change it to registerd |
| 03:59.01 | Patlabor221 | bwahahahaahahahahahah |
| 03:59.58 | learner | cool, then that was easy enough |
| 04:00.04 | Patlabor221 | seeeeeee :) |
| 04:00.21 | learner | still have to see if it works :) |
| 04:00.27 | Patlabor221 | then I can make a server that makes everyone shout "mortalll kombat" every 15 min :) |
| 04:00.37 | learner | lol |
| 04:00.52 | Patlabor221 | and "finish him" |
| 04:01.03 | learner | and allow admins to send random wav's to the clients =} |
| 04:01.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:01.14 | Patlabor221 | "who wants some" |
| 04:01.21 | learner | "STOP CHEATING YOU ASSCLOWN!" .. |
| 04:01.25 | learner | *ahem* |
| 04:01.37 | Patlabor221 | you do need to watch RvB |
| 04:01.53 | Patlabor221 | has the line "I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over your constant TEAMKILLING" |
| 04:01.57 | learner | oh crap -- it's midnight |
| 04:02.05 | learner | hehe |
| 04:02.08 | Patlabor221 | and "you team killin fucktard" :) |
| 04:02.52 | Patlabor221 | actualy you should rate the servers |
| 04:03.06 | learner | voice chat would be a cool trick if we didn't have so many network issues as it is |
| 04:03.19 | Patlabor221 | god that would KILL the pipe |
| 04:03.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah lets send MORE packets |
| 04:03.37 | learner | :) |
| 04:04.01 | Patlabor221 | ever try the voice chat on marathon? |
| 04:04.25 | learner | yeah, even the games that have it implemented half decently (counterstrike?) -- it ends up being played with and eventually not used |
| 04:04.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:04.42 | learner | just too many annoying players :) |
| 04:04.49 | Patlabor221 | some of the console games used it to a good sucsess |
| 04:04.57 | Patlabor221 | socom:navy seals |
| 04:05.21 | Patlabor221 | on UT lan games we would get on team conferice calls |
| 04:05.22 | learner | it's hard enough to *read* all the whining -- much less *hear* it |
| 04:05.49 | learner | yes.. the clancy games were rather effective |
| 04:05.57 | Patlabor221 | that was a lot of "no no no no no, SHOOOOOT HIM... NOT ME.... go go go go.. where the hell is he" |
| 04:06.16 | learner | but our fields aren't that well organized -- perhaps for league matches |
| 04:06.45 | Patlabor221 | the best one was the guy next to me was on the other team, shouting "I am soo GODLIKE" right before I shot him in the head |
| 04:06.58 | learner | LOL! |
| 04:06.59 | Patlabor221 | for teh 10 people who play league? |
| 04:07.20 | learner | well.. as long as I'm one of the 10.. YES! :) |
| 04:07.23 | Patlabor221 | and UT is funny cus the anouncer goes "HEAD SHOT" when you do that |
| 04:08.01 | Patlabor221 | BZ needs an anouncer |
| 04:08.10 | learner | BZ needs a lot of stuff |
| 04:08.24 | Patlabor221 | like a rip and tear :) |
| 04:09.33 | learner | hey .. another question -- how's a good way to deal with timing the poll? |
| 04:09.46 | learner | the countdown clock just uses a little ol' global |
| 04:10.00 | learner | that is updated periodically |
| 04:10.26 | Patlabor221 | who processes the poll? the server? |
| 04:10.27 | learner | I'd rather no go the global route, but am not seeing how to integrate it nicely with something like the bzdb |
| 04:10.35 | learner | the server does, yes |
| 04:10.38 | Patlabor221 | do you have to? |
| 04:10.44 | Patlabor221 | integrate I mean? |
| 04:10.45 | learner | the poll will last for N seconds (i.e. 60) |
| 04:10.51 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 04:11.07 | Patlabor221 | well you need some globals like if a poll is allready on and stuff |
| 04:11.14 | learner | then the server will need to invoke an action |
| 04:11.23 | Patlabor221 | I thought BZDB was more for stuff that was transmited |
| 04:11.26 | learner | i have a flag in bzdb if the poll is on/off |
| 04:11.44 | Patlabor221 | just set a start time in bzdb then |
| 04:11.50 | Patlabor221 | and check it all the time |
| 04:11.50 | learner | that's only for persistent data -- it is also set up for non-persistent data |
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| 04:12.08 | learner | check it where? |
| 04:12.45 | Patlabor221 | you have to have some place in the main loop that checks to see when the poll ends |
| 04:12.49 | Patlabor221 | and wehn to take actions |
| 04:12.51 | Patlabor221 | it has one |
| 04:12.54 | learner | ah, okay |
| 04:12.58 | Patlabor221 | you'll have to slap it in there |
| 04:12.59 | learner | I'll peek better |
| 04:13.03 | Patlabor221 | it's not just message diriven |
| 04:13.04 | learner | eck |
| 04:13.21 | Patlabor221 | it can't be, it has to know when to poll the net and stuff |
| 04:13.24 | learner | I was thinking of making the poll itself fork a timed thread that would make a callback |
| 04:13.34 | Patlabor221 | overkill much? |
| 04:13.39 | learner | yea |
| 04:13.57 | learner | but then it wouldn't be another dozen hacked in lines |
| 04:13.59 | Patlabor221 | oooo then your poll could run on another CPU :) |
| 04:14.09 | Patlabor221 | so don't hack it, make it clean |
| 04:14.16 | learner | i need smp anyways -- for the aggressive filter |
| 04:14.17 | Patlabor221 | make a reall "idle" event function |
| 04:14.20 | Patlabor221 | and call your stuff |
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| 04:14.38 | learner | if there is a long string -- the aggressive filter can starve out the main loop |
| 04:15.00 | learner | even though the system is not pegged, resource-wse |
| 04:15.42 | learner | explain pat -- the idle loop would call this idle even function? |
| 04:15.47 | learner | or the spawned thread |
| 04:15.53 | learner | or forked process |
| 04:16.33 | Patlabor221 | make a clean idle func |
| 04:16.45 | Patlabor221 | remember you would have to make the process work on windows too |
| 04:16.59 | learner | hehe ppffffftt!! |
| 04:17.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh and don't forget the PDAs |
| 04:17.15 | learner | that's not a problem -- I have smp routines |
| 04:17.27 | learner | we'd work on sgi, linux, sgi, solaris, etc etc etc |
| 04:17.41 | Patlabor221 | cept windows |
| 04:17.45 | learner | and windows |
| 04:17.55 | learner | ProcessCreate or something like that |
| 04:18.00 | Patlabor221 | your call, but I think it's overkill |
| 04:18.13 | Patlabor221 | for just making a simple idle loop |
| 04:18.20 | learner | i think so to - maybe for 1.9.1 |
| 04:18.22 | Patlabor221 | just so you can trap a timer |
| 04:18.44 | learner | for know i'll bite my lip till it bleeds |
| 04:18.49 | Patlabor221 | gonna need timers for a LOT more thigns in the future |
| 04:19.02 | Patlabor221 | have fun |
| 04:24.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Implemented Z-sorting in SoftwareSpriteRenderer, added a tweak control for it to particletest |
| 04:25.39 | Patlabor221 | so how is the py coming along? |
| 04:41.21 | learner | g'night all |
| 04:45.51 | Patlabor221 | see yah |
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| 05:42.59 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 05:43.19 | Patlabor221 | self packing/sending/receving messages :) |
| 05:44.02 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:44.18 | Patlabor221 | and now they group themselves |
| 05:46.20 | Patlabor221 | interesting thing here is, the client never knows it's own ID :) |
| 05:46.36 | Patlabor221 | well to it', it's allways -1 :) |
| 05:47.28 | Patlabor221 | cus the sever allways knows who you are |
| 05:48.01 | ElectricElf | dheckaman: Oh. |
| 05:48.04 | ElectricElf | Oops, wrong channel. |
| 05:49.02 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): fix the constants, and actually use em |
| 06:00.36 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): if -timemanual specified, don't auto restart game on first connect, after /superkill or /gameover commands |
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| 07:05.44 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): hopefully fix the thief lifetime problem |
| 07:22.11 | MrApathyCream | is there a captain in the house? |
| 07:22.20 | captain_proton | for a minute |
| 07:23.09 | MrApathyCream | does BZDB know how to handle pi ? |
| 07:25.51 | captain_proton | hmm...don't think so |
| 07:26.02 | captain_proton | probably should add a constant _pi that's set to M_PI |
| 07:28.44 | MrApathyCream | modifyable? :) |
| 07:28.51 | captain_proton | no :) |
| 07:28.57 | MrApathyCream | on this server it's 2.89 |
| 07:29.06 | captain_proton | they can change the formulae that use it instead |
| 07:29.24 | MrApathyCream | just kiddin' |
| 07:35.07 | MrApathyCream | ibot, ibot manual? |
| 07:35.08 | | i guess ibot manual is at http://www.infobot.org/guide-0.43.x.html |
| 07:37.00 | MrApathyCream | ibot, help send? |
| 07:37.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (8 files in 3 dirs): More bzdb cleanup, endless...just endless |
| 07:41.20 | MrApathyCream | ibot send to chestal "burrow should show the entire turrent from muzzle up, it doesn't" |
| 07:41.20 | | You are moron #17, MrApathyCream |
| 07:41.27 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 07:41.32 | MrApathyCream | why thank you |
| 07:41.50 | MrApathyCream | ibot message chestal, "burrow should show the entire turrent from muzzle up, it doesn't" |
| 07:42.11 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 07:42.33 | MrApathyCream | ibot botmail chestal, "burrow should show the entire turrent from muzzle up, it doesn't?" |
| 07:43.02 | MrApathyCream | botmail chestal, "burrow should show the entire turrent from muzzle up, it doesn't?" |
| 07:45.33 | captain_proton | turrent? |
| 07:45.40 | MrApathyCream | turret? |
| 07:45.47 | MrApathyCream | the top of the tank thingy |
| 07:45.52 | MrApathyCream | (that should spin) |
| 07:46.34 | captain_proton | ooh, i just love this interweb connection |
| 07:46.37 | captain_proton | its almost as fast as yours |
| 07:46.44 | MrApathyCream | almost |
| 07:47.02 | captain_proton | mmmyep |
| 07:47.14 | captain_proton | not quite |
| 07:47.27 | captain_proton | i think we've got a full 52 kilobits, but its being shared between 6 machines right now |
| 07:47.50 | MrApathyCream | botmail MrApathyCream "testing" |
| 07:48.23 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 09:09.42 | Chestal | botmail? |
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| 09:24.02 | bomber | moin |
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| 11:32.04 | rooter | what exactly does moin mean? |
| 11:32.12 | learner | ~dict moin |
| 11:32.21 | learner | ~moin |
| 11:32.22 | | methinks moin is North German for everything you would say for salutatory |
| 11:32.47 | rooter | ah... i see... my english-german dictionary didn't have it listed |
| 11:32.49 | rooter | thx |
| 11:33.06 | learner | yep -- german version of "howdy" :) |
| 11:33.14 | rooter | :) |
| 11:33.31 | rooter | you aren't making fun of south US are you? ;) |
| 11:33.40 | learner | hell no |
| 11:33.45 | learner | I always say howdy :) |
| 11:33.54 | rooter | we'll have ta russle up some yankees |
| 11:36.24 | dheckaman | howdy |
| 11:36.35 | rooter | howdy partner |
| 11:36.52 | rooter | i wish i could say that with a straight face |
| 11:36.59 | dheckaman | lol |
| 11:37.40 | dheckaman | hah |
| 11:41.26 | rooter | my gf's family lives in Lakeland FL |
| 11:46.47 | bomber | wau |
| 11:46.59 | bomber | are you green ? |
| 11:47.28 | dheckaman | purple |
| 11:47.34 | bomber | :o) |
| 11:56.52 | dheckaman | ~mail for Chestal: testing |
| 11:59.49 | larsl | ~literal mail |
| 11:59.50 | | mail is on it's way :-) |
| 12:00.13 | dheckaman | ~botmail for larsl: test |
| 12:00.25 | dheckaman | ~botmail |
| 12:00.49 | dheckaman | botmail check :) |
| 12:03.09 | learner | ~mail for learner: testing |
| 12:04.10 | learner | bah! |
| 12:14.07 | dheckaman | poor house plants |
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| 14:19.01 | captain_proton | wow |
| 14:19.13 | captain_proton | 56k is kind of almost fast when i've got it to myself |
| 14:21.26 | BagsAtWork | 58k, <shiver>.....have you tried dual modems? |
| 14:21.39 | BagsAtWork | n s/56/58 |
| 14:21.48 | BagsAtWork | n s/58/56 |
| 14:21.52 | [dmp] | ah :) |
| 14:22.28 | captain_proton | its only a temporary thing |
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| 14:48.17 | scanline | it isn't possible to ever get a full 56k from a modem due to some FCC regulation.. it should always max out at 53k |
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| 14:53.20 | KR | hi all - need an admin at Ducati - "I shit my pasnts (anonymous)" is teamkilling there |
| 14:53.27 | KR | ^pants |
| 14:55.49 | BagsAtWork | scanline: yes, but many isps are using additional compression which "simulates" some faster downloads, they are also prefetching data and buffering it local to, again, "simulate" faster rates |
| 14:56.25 | BagsAtWork | but the effective comm. rate is less than 56k |
| 14:57.02 | BagsAtWork | some isps allow dual connections allowing rates of ~100k up and down. |
| 14:57.11 | BagsAtWork | n dual or more |
| 15:06.44 | scanline | soon enough we'll have dual DSL |
| 15:07.36 | BagsAtWork | <drooling> dual dsl's |
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| 15:49.09 | [dmp] | ah, it was spooglebob visiting ducati before |
| 15:49.31 | [dmp] | (if sussido is correct) |
| 15:53.11 | KR | it came back once more I booted it :) |
| 15:53.27 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 15:53.32 | [dmp] | with same ip? |
| 15:53.56 | KR | started with eirher 217 or 317 |
| 15:54.02 | KR | that right? |
| 15:54.10 | KR | maybe not smae one |
| 15:54.43 | [dmp] | i banned 65.71.64.191 |
| 15:54.54 | [dmp] | 317 isnt the one :-) |
| 15:55.04 | KR | I will keep a pad by the computer to write down tk IP's |
| 15:55.13 | KR | ah well :) |
| 15:55.39 | [dmp] | i log all my bzflag-games, so i dont need to write anything down :-) |
| 15:55.45 | [dmp] | or used to. |
| 15:56.08 | KR | console command at startup, or a setting in the .rc file? |
| 15:56.22 | KR | how do you do it, I mean |
| 15:57.18 | [dmp] | "bzflag -echoClean" whne starting then all output from inside bzflag will be echoed to std out |
| 15:57.28 | Chestal | http://nice.sourceforge.net/ looks quite nice |
| 15:57.43 | [dmp] | (-echo can be used, but then you'll get the ansi-colorcodes as well) |
| 16:02.40 | patlabor221 | they have a roadmap, no fair |
| 16:02.59 | ElectricElf | [dmp]: Yay colour codes. |
| 16:03.19 | [dmp] | ElectricElf: damn annoying to grep stuff from :-) |
| 16:03.59 | ElectricElf | [dmp]: Yeah. But there's always postprocessing. |
| 16:04.09 | larsl | Chestal: It looks like Java with some C++ features. |
| 16:04.42 | [dmp] | ElectricElf: i have no use for the colors, so i use clean. But then again, i dont use logfiles much anyway |
| 16:04.46 | ElectricElf | Need timestamping too. |
| 16:05.10 | ElectricElf | [dmp]: I have it display on another head as I'm playing, and the colours would look good there, and fulfill their purpose. |
| 16:05.19 | [dmp] | ah |
| 16:05.21 | ElectricElf | In the game itself I find it simply makes the text unreadable, especially in the console. |
| 16:05.35 | [dmp] | i dont have the room to have another monitor here. |
| 16:05.53 | ElectricElf | [dmp]: The second head of which I speak is actually my laptop. But I hear ya :) |
| 16:06.14 | Chestal | larsl: andmore, has multimethods and design by contract |
| 16:06.20 | Chestal | might be a good teaching language |
| 16:06.30 | ElectricElf | Python supports method overloading, right? |
| 16:06.43 | Chestal | don't know, not doing python |
| 16:06.48 | ElectricElf | Chestal: Right :) |
| 16:07.47 | Chestal | I don't think that python has multimethod dispatch |
| 16:08.25 | larsl | Chestal: What's the difference between multimethods and normal parameter overloading? I don't get the example the have there. |
| 16:08.34 | larsl | they |
| 16:08.50 | Chestal | I guess they could be implemented in python somehow becasue to my understanding python does not to static type checking at all |
| 16:09.10 | Chestal | larsl: imagine polymorphism based on the type of all parameters |
| 16:09.51 | Chestal | larsl: normal polymorhpism only takes the type of the object into consideration, aka type or first, hidden parameter |
| 16:10.28 | Chestal | whatever, at least it looks like nice solves a lot of Java's problems |
| 16:10.42 | patlabor221 | does it have GL bindings? |
| 16:11.53 | larsl | Closures look nice. C++ really should have something like that for all the functional stuff. |
| 16:11.57 | Chestal | it has java bindings |
| 16:12.09 | Chestal | and some form of generics |
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| 16:12.46 | asdf | hi guys |
| 16:12.52 | Chestal | hi asdf |
| 16:13.00 | Chestal | someone withj 1.9 here to join me on ducati for a test? |
| 16:13.01 | asdf | how's everyone doing? |
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| 16:13.48 | dheckaman | Mmm, instant lunch |
| 16:13.54 | asdf | not sure what happened there |
| 16:16.00 | [dmp] | The number of fooditems on this table is increasing; I better prepare for dinner :-) |
| 16:16.45 | dheckaman | lol |
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| 16:18.19 | asdf | why am i listed twice with different nicks? |
| 16:18.38 | patlabor221 | did you log in twice? |
| 16:18.47 | asdf | no |
| 16:18.51 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 16:19.03 | *** kick/#bzflag [enchufe!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (begone foul doppleganager) |
| 16:19.14 | patlabor221 | there ya go :) |
| 16:19.17 | asdf | hold on, i must have accidently started two xchat programs |
| 16:19.21 | asdf | thx |
| 16:19.35 | asdf | yeah, thats what happened |
| 16:19.46 | [dmp] | once my xchat (1.x) would join the same server twice.. quite annoying |
| 16:20.04 | asdf | must have accidently double clicked or something |
| 16:20.06 | asdf | i have 2.0.0 |
| 16:20.15 | [dmp] | the problem was solved when i moved to 2.x |
| 16:20.22 | asdf | right |
| 16:23.24 | bryjen | Test, Chestal ? |
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| 16:32.38 | bryjen | more clones! |
| 16:32.59 | Spiff | Hehe. Silly Trillian.... it was slow so I connected twice. Oopsa! ;-) |
| 16:33.41 | Spiff | One sec. |
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| 16:53.16 | Chestal | bryjen: still here? |
| 16:53.52 | bryjen | Yup |
| 16:54.08 | Chestal | let's test on 1.9 ducati |
| 16:54.08 | bryjen | You were needing testers? |
| 16:54.11 | bryjen | Ok |
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| 17:03.17 | BagsAtWork | i guess the build versions for windows 1.9 are out of date. unable to join the ducati server, could join brclad. |
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| 17:25.28 | BZSpiff | Just a quick question.... why is Barrel not banned from the League servers? He's a real jerk. :( |
| 17:28.12 | BZSpiff | I come back for the first time in over a week and within five minutes he's calling names. |
| 17:32.35 | BagsAtWork | use the silence command |
| 17:33.28 | BZSpiff | Oh.. I will. But it's not that.... it's the principal. |
| 17:33.44 | BZSpiff | I don't even get a hello.. I just get treated bad. Prettttttttttty rude. |
| 17:37.46 | bryjen | Weird. |
| 17:38.07 | bryjen | Adjusting world parameters in game is neat. |
| 17:38.21 | larsl | Very. |
| 17:38.31 | larsl | Can we relink teleporters too? =) |
| 17:38.58 | bryjen | Too confusing to do for a real game. but nice for a demo |
| 17:39.40 | bryjen | with teleporters/links being world objects, I dont think so |
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| 17:45.35 | patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 17:45.41 | patlabor221 | like make them change in game? |
| 17:52.07 | bryjen | Chestal: was tweaking speeds and such while we were in ducati |
| 17:52.16 | bryjen | whoops |
| 17:52.44 | JBDiGriz | Wise saying: When people claim "It's not the money, it's the principal", it's the money. |
| 17:52.52 | bryjen | !@#$ tab completion with a : |
| 17:53.22 | bryjen | For a loan officer its moot |
| 17:54.44 | JBDiGriz | and for the loan arranger, it's "Hi-yo silver!" |
| 17:55.11 | larsl | ~dict principal |
| 17:56.07 | JBDiGriz | ibot, are you there? |
| 17:56.08 | | JBDiGriz: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 17:56.18 | JBDiGriz | Our principle mischief maker is missing in action. |
| 17:56.43 | patlabor221 | who? |
| 17:57.03 | JBDiGriz | She's there, just slow today! |
| 17:59.30 | patlabor221 | has enough changed to warant a new windows build? |
| 18:00.07 | JBDiGriz | Did anyone hack the configure change to remove vorbis dependency? |
| 18:00.52 | patlabor221 | dono, don't use the config :) |
| 18:03.37 | larsl | No, it still checks. |
| 18:03.42 | JBDiGriz | I just checked, and it appears that vorbis is still there. |
| 18:03.59 | JBDiGriz | larsl: Do you have vorbis installed? |
| 18:04.12 | larsl | Yes. |
| 18:13.12 | BagsAtWork | ibot, how do i balance the national debt? |
| 18:13.13 | | BagsAtWork: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 18:13.45 | BagsAtWork | ibot, how do walk on air? |
| 18:13.46 | | BagsAtWork: bugger all, i dunno |
| 18:14.02 | BagsAtWork | ibot, is this all there is? |
| 18:14.02 | | BagsAtWork: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:14.17 | BagsAtWork | ibot, yes |
| 18:14.18 | | You dont say! |
| 18:14.26 | BagsAtWork | ibot, quite |
| 18:14.26 | | BagsAtWork: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 18:14.54 | BagsAtWork | ibot, you drink light beer dont you? |
| 18:14.55 | | bugger all, i dunno, BagsAtWork |
| 18:15.36 | BagsAtWork | ibot, display mission goals |
| 18:15.37 | | BagsAtWork: are you using Windows? |
| 18:16.08 | BagsAtWork | ibot, thanks |
| 18:16.08 | | BagsAtWork: my pleasure |
| 18:16.27 | patlabor221 | you can stop that now :) |
| 18:16.47 | JBDiGriz | Are you referring to BagsAtWork or ibot? ;-) |
| 18:16.53 | BagsAtWork | :) |
| 18:16.56 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:16.57 | Nidhoggr | yes. :) |
| 18:17.02 | Nidhoggr | hahahahaha GMTA |
| 18:17.11 | JBDiGriz | ~GMTA |
| 18:17.11 | | somebody said gmta was Great Minds Think Alike |
| 18:17.17 | patlabor221 | naw I'm just precog |
| 18:19.23 | patlabor221 | 8.20 windows build is up |
| 18:19.30 | BagsAtWork | danke |
| 18:20.35 | BZSpiff | Hmm.. pry a stupid question... but why do my servers not show up on the list? Could it be because my ISP blocks webservers or something? |
| 18:21.01 | patlabor221 | did you make the server public? |
| 18:21.05 | Nidhoggr | bzspiff, I was having the same problem last week, so I had to start hard coding the server address. |
| 18:21.12 | Nidhoggr | it just stopped working. |
| 18:21.22 | Nidhoggr | the hard coding worked then. |
| 18:21.23 | larsl_fuchsian | BZSpiff: Either because you're not reporting to the list server correctly, or because the list server can't connect to your server to confirm. |
| 18:21.28 | patlabor221 | hmmm cap was talking about messing with the list server |
| 18:21.31 | Nidhoggr | something definitely going on. |
| 18:21.51 | BZSpiff | Hmmmm. One sec.. I'll relaunch and see if any of you can see it. |
| 18:22.00 | patlabor221 | put in the list server manualy |
| 18:22.24 | patlabor221 | 208.186.182.172:5156 |
| 18:22.30 | larsl_fuchsian | -publiclist bzflist://208.186.182.172:5156 |
| 18:22.38 | Nidhoggr | my BZFlag.pl module for blootbot stopped working, too, after I started having this problem. |
| 18:28.21 | BZSpiff | It should be listed as "12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com" |
| 18:28.29 | TimRiker | should use list.bzflag.org instead of the hard IP. the IP will change again in a few weeks |
| 18:28.52 | Nidhoggr | tim, why would the BZFlag.pl start failing? |
| 18:29.03 | Nidhoggr | I just get "No Players" when I query secretplace. |
| 18:29.12 | Nidhoggr | when ibot gets the right info |
| 18:29.46 | patlabor221 | spiff did you give it a publicaddr ? |
| 18:30.09 | BZSpiff | "C:\Program Files\BZFlag1.7g1\bzfs.exe" -admsg "Play fair, be nice, and have fun!" +f good +f good +f good +f good +f good -f bad -j -maxidle 10 -mo 6 -mp 6,0,0,0,0 -ms 7 -p 5155 -passwd 5tuph -pr 5156 -public "Spiff's server!" +r -r -requireudp -srvmsg "Welcome to BZFlag." -tk -world "C:\Jeremiah\BZ Levels\Canyon\Canyon Resurrected.map" |
| 18:30.13 | BZSpiff | How's that? |
| 18:30.25 | patlabor221 | no you didn't |
| 18:30.29 | patlabor221 | so it will show as your IP |
| 18:30.40 | BZSpiff | Okies. I'll add it. |
| 18:31.01 | patlabor221 | does your ISP block stuff? |
| 18:31.06 | patlabor221 | you mentioned webservers |
| 18:31.42 | BZSpiff | I think it does. I know they have some sorta policy against webservers. |
| 18:31.52 | patlabor221 | then you may not have a real IP |
| 18:32.00 | patlabor221 | you may be behind a nat or something |
| 18:32.06 | patlabor221 | and they may block all servers |
| 18:32.23 | BZSpiff | The server runs fine. I've had people on it before. I just can't get it to show up on the list. |
| 18:32.49 | patlabor221 | you don't need the -p and the -pr |
| 18:33.49 | patlabor221 | since you have them set to the default |
| 18:35.28 | BagsAtWork | could say the same about the -requireudp, since that is default now, eh |
| 18:36.03 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:36.22 | BagsAtWork | i like the password though... :) |
| 18:36.30 | Nidhoggr | was it default in the g1 code, as well? |
| 18:36.33 | BZSpiff | LoL. You think I put the real one in there? ;-) |
| 18:36.41 | patlabor221 | g1 is g2 |
| 18:36.57 | patlabor221 | should use server registraton not that silly password :) |
| 18:37.15 | BZSpiff | The password is less headache. :) |
| 18:37.16 | patlabor221 | g1 was the dev for g2 there never was a g1 releae |
| 18:37.24 | Nidhoggr | server reg is working pretty good on secretplace. I really like it. |
| 18:37.55 | Nidhoggr | it'd still be nice to be able to share userbases between servers on my network. |
| 18:40.27 | BZSpiff | Well... the server runs okay. But how do I check to see if it shows up on the list? |
| 18:41.51 | BagsAtWork | spiff, ummmmmm, do you really want to call it Spiff's server with all the "vengeful" hackers out there? |
| 18:42.49 | BZSpiff | No. :-) |
| 18:42.51 | BZSpiff | I'm just testing. LoL |
| 18:43.26 | BagsAtWork | ok.......good sense |
| 18:43.33 | Nidhoggr | I don't see a spiff's server on the list. |
| 18:43.36 | Nidhoggr | what was the addy? |
| 18:43.45 | BZSpiff | Sorry.. just shut it down. One sec. :-) |
| 18:44.02 | Nidhoggr | you can check bzflag.dragon.org/stats.php |
| 18:48.52 | BZSpiff | *sigh* Looks like I'll just be running a private server. |
| 18:50.29 | Nidhoggr | what's your command line look like, now? |
| 18:51.02 | BZSpiff | "C:/Program Files/BZFlag17g2/bzfs.exe" -publiclist bzflist://list.bzflag.org -admsg "Play fair, be nice, and have fun!" +f good +f good +f good +f good +f good -f bad -j -maxidle 10 -mo 6 -mp 6,0,0,0,0 -ms 7 -p 7000 -passwd 5tuph -pr 7001 -public "Spiff's server!" +r -r -requireudp -srvmsg "Welcome to BZFlag." -tk -world "C:\Jeremiah\BZ Levels\Canyon\Canyon Resurrected.map" |
| 18:51.08 | bzgirl | what does autopilot do? |
| 18:51.22 | BZSpiff | I tried changing the port.. I heard once that it could help if your ISP didn't allow webservers. |
| 18:54.33 | BagsAtWork | Marc Cohn - Paper Walls |
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| 19:05.54 | BagsAtWork | sometime,send me the map file........cant play it right away |
| 19:06.05 | BZSpiff | I sorta figured that. ;-) |
| 19:06.29 | BZSpiff | I'll finish up some of the more noticably boring features and send ya a copy. |
| 19:06.55 | BagsAtWork | gotcha........i need some new ideas... ;) |
| 19:09.16 | BZSpiff | LoL |
| 19:09.33 | BZSpiff | Actually... looking at other maps is a good way to get new ideas. :-) |
| 19:10.22 | BZSpiff | I do that a lot... I see something interesting, give it my own twist, and make it into a part of my map. Of course... as odd as it may seem.. both Canyon and Silent Death were a couple of my first maps. I've just edited and re-edited them to make them better. |
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| 19:38.58 | *** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org || put javadoc-style /** comments */ in headers! || cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ Win32 versions http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/19 || Network Meeting Notes @ http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/NetMeeting |
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| 20:23.53 | bryjen | gues its not so full in here that one can't slip an enchilada in edgewise. |
| 20:24.10 | bryjen | more likely PPP tho |
| 20:26.20 | david_v | can anyone here get to bzflag.org, bzbb or linux.org? |
| 20:26.29 | david_v | other sites works slowly for me as well though... |
| 20:27.16 | bzgirl | all 3 work for me |
| 20:27.33 | patlabor221 | yeah the entire internet is down :) |
| 20:27.45 | bryjen | ok here. must be you :( |
| 20:28.02 | david_v | patlabor221: you have probs too? |
| 20:28.08 | bryjen | patlabor221: no, google.com works |
| 20:28.13 | patlabor221 | no, I'm making fun of you :) |
| 20:28.17 | david_v | heh |
| 20:28.26 | david_v | probably my silly ISP again |
| 20:28.56 | david_v | bah, even a fast site like google loads slowly here |
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| 20:35.06 | BZSpiff | Hiyaz Noodleman. :-) |
| 20:39.44 | [dmp] | hi david_v |
| 20:39.57 | david_v | hey |
| 20:40.08 | david_v | i can't get anywhere on the Net today. how nice |
| 20:41.18 | [dmp] | you are here? Or you mean www ? |
| 20:41.28 | david_v | some things work, some don't |
| 20:41.33 | david_v | IRC is generally fine |
| 20:41.49 | david_v | some sites don't work at all, and those that do, very slowly |
| 20:42.03 | david_v | even Google is slow for me |
| 20:45.06 | BZSpiff | Brb |
| 20:48.06 | Tupone | david_v: Your connection is|seems good. |
| 20:48.36 | david_v | to IRC yes |
| 20:48.55 | david_v | that's the weird thing. some things work relatively fine |
| 20:49.05 | david_v | it seems that the latency is generally not a problem, bandwidth is though |
| 20:49.11 | david_v | (for today) |
| 20:49.40 | Tupone | david_v: just IP Packet to you and back go fast |
| 20:50.00 | david_v | what kind of package are you using? ;) |
| 20:50.20 | Tupone | david_v: traceroute |
| 20:51.00 | david_v | right. and again the issue is bandwidth. a guy in another channel mentioned a worm and says he has problems too... hmm |
| 20:51.50 | Tupone | So I don't think your problem is the Net |
| 20:52.10 | david_v | so what do you think it is? the moon phase? :) |
| 20:52.22 | david_v | it seems like it might be a European node that has an issue |
| 20:52.31 | Tupone | Could be ... or the constellation ... |
| 20:52.58 | Tupone | i c: my connection from you to me is good ... |
| 20:53.13 | david_v | you said that three times now :) |
| 20:53.38 | Tupone | I'm saying taht 'cause I'm too in Europe |
| 20:53.55 | [dmp] | i had reconfigure my mailserver yesterday night.. when i got up (later) yesterday i saw it rejecting mail .. was worried that i'd misconfigure it, until i realize that dk was under attack by this Sobig-worm. |
| 20:54.03 | david_v | Tupone: you're on the south side though :) |
| 20:54.38 | Tupone | A few degree north from Africa |
| 20:55.22 | [dmp] | oh, i didnt know it was that hot in sweden ;) |
| 20:55.25 | [dmp] | argh |
| 20:55.28 | [dmp] | stupid me. |
| 20:55.34 | [dmp] | you're italian |
| 20:55.39 | david_v | i can agree on the next to last comment :) |
| 20:55.46 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 20:56.14 | david_v | hey Spiff |
| 20:56.26 | BZSpiff | Hey hey. :) |
| 21:08.19 | david_v | l8r... |
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| 23:08.53 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 23:24.45 | patlabor221 | hello guest406 |
| 23:25.12 | orchid | way to go :) |
| 23:25.28 | patlabor221 | what?!? I bathed |
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| 23:26.30 | orchid | hi guest759 |
| 23:27.08 | DTRemenak | Strayer, is it? |
| 23:27.32 | patlabor221 | damn |
| 23:27.35 | DTRemenak | lol |
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| 23:27.51 | salsa | would you guys stop scaring off the guests |
| 23:28.03 | orchid | hi Chikorita |
| 23:28.05 | DTRemenak | http://p5091284b.dip.t-dialin.net/frame.php?lang=eng&site=bzflag |
| 23:28.18 | Chikorita | hi orchid |
| 23:28.55 | Chikorita | da quest was prolly mee i try 2 get in buh i couldnt cuz mah nick was already here if dat makes any sense :P |
| 23:29.51 | Chikorita | was sum1 else using my nick? |
| 23:30.37 | orchid | dont think so |
| 23:31.33 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 23:34.23 | orchid | http://sigkill9.tripod.com/bzflag.html who made that? |
| 23:34.25 | Chikorita | AOL iz such a pain in da butt it disconnect mee wen i switch s/n's |
| 23:34.34 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 23:34.36 | patlabor221 | don't use it :) |
| 23:34.37 | patlabor221 | ot |
| 23:34.43 | patlabor221 | it's costing you too much anyway :) |
| 23:36.08 | salsa | wow, that's from almost a year ago |
| 23:36.41 | orchid | sussudio used to have a page like that too, lost the url though |
| 23:36.52 | Chikorita | lol riseman smiles alot |
| 23:37.02 | orchid | but i meant, ibot makes the stats? |
| 23:37.17 | orchid | ibot did you make the stats? |
| 23:37.18 | | orchid: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:37.31 | orchid | its like a page of stats |
| 23:37.56 | patlabor221 | ~log |
| 23:37.56 | | i heard log is as piece of wood |
| 23:38.00 | patlabor221 | ~logs |
| 23:38.02 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/, or stats http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 23:42.13 | orchid | http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/bzflag.html <--learner :) |
| 23:43.14 | Chikorita | wow i am #2! |
| 23:43.16 | Chikorita | lol |
| 23:43.45 | patlabor221 | I wish Tim would keep one that totals the logs |
| 23:43.54 | patlabor221 | not the one day thing |
| 23:43.54 | Chikorita | gee i didnt realize i talked so much |
| 23:44.04 | patlabor221 | just yesterday :) |
| 23:44.16 | patlabor221 | wow only 66 I sucked yesterday |
| 23:44.21 | Chikorita | o dat was jus 4 yesterday |
| 23:44.25 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 23:44.26 | Chikorita | lol pat |
| 23:44.26 | salsa | jeesh.. talk about random quote of the day.. |
| 23:44.29 | salsa | *sigh* |
| 23:44.34 | Chikorita | lol l |
| 23:44.41 | Chikorita | potty mouf u |
| 23:44.45 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 23:45.28 | Chikorita | i should smile more so i get ranked da person who spreads da most happyness |
| 23:45.33 | salsa | hrm.. that must be like one day's stats |
| 23:45.34 | Chikorita | :) |
| 23:46.47 | patlabor221 | it is 1 day |
| 23:46.51 | salsa | LOL: "learner brings happiness to the world. " |
| 23:47.03 | salsa | :) |
| 23:47.26 | Chikorita | lol |
| 23:47.48 | Chikorita | i am da second most sad person :( |
| 23:47.55 | orchid | aww :( |
| 23:48.03 | DTRemenak | You're working toward it today too ;) |
| 23:48.17 | learner | hrm.. |
| 23:48.34 | Chikorita | :) + :( = :| |
| 23:48.34 | learner | sorry, girl |
| 23:48.35 | Carnage | chick? |
| 23:48.39 | Chikorita | carny? |
| 23:48.46 | Carnage | can we match? |
| 23:48.55 | Chikorita | o |
| 23:48.56 | orchid | learner: ! |
| 23:49.04 | learner | :) |
| 23:49.13 | DTRemenak | learner: you didn't, necessarily...you were just the last one to do so :) |
| 23:49.16 | patlabor221 | wow I wonder what I came in that day I went off on mac :) |
| 23:49.16 | orchid | oh |
| 23:49.17 | learner | I feel so used |
| 23:49.19 | learner | dang jb :) |
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| 23:53.57 | Chikorita | wounders |
| 23:53.57 | Chikorita | lol |
| 23:55.00 | learner | oops -- hehe -- "groggy has quite a potty mouth " |
| 23:58.10 | learner | carny: maybe in a couple hours -- this is our downtime right now |
| 23:58.18 | Chikorita | yea |
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