| 00:02.08 | siggraph | eek |
| 00:04.14 | patlabor221 | cap are there any more dead can dance song like that "summoning the muse" one? |
| 00:04.57 | captain_proton | plenty |
| 00:05.14 | captain_proton | though you'd probably be more interested in the stuff lisa gerrard has done on her own |
| 00:05.19 | captain_proton | since those are even better |
| 00:05.20 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 00:05.23 | patlabor221 | oooo |
| 00:05.26 | patlabor221 | better is good :) |
| 00:07.30 | patlabor221 | you are a king amoung men :) |
| 00:07.44 | patlabor221 | I swear she's casting |
| 00:09.10 | captain_proton | hahahahahaha - http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm |
| 00:10.17 | patlabor221 | LOL< Person X, a well-known atheist, was morally inferior to the rest of us. |
| 00:10.45 | patlabor221 | 13 is good too |
| 00:11.24 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:12.22 | patlabor221 | 223 and 224 are ones that are sadly used by real people |
| 00:13.16 | captain_proton | wow |
| 00:13.18 | captain_proton | 247 is like you |
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| 00:13.43 | patlabor221 | shuddap |
| 00:13.59 | patlabor221 | I like there trivia thing on the main page |
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| 00:14.13 | patlabor221 | "one nation under Canada" |
| 00:15.30 | captain_proton | =) |
| 00:22.59 | captain_proton | well |
| 00:23.03 | captain_proton | except for alaska |
| 00:25.33 | patlabor221 | one nation under and next to canada |
| 00:27.20 | captain_proton | and way out in the middle of the pacific too |
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| 00:28.38 | patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 00:28.43 | patlabor221 | one nation over mexico? |
| 00:28.55 | captain_proton | actually i think hawaii is parallel to mexico |
| 00:29.02 | captain_proton | one nation in the northern hemisphere! |
| 00:29.06 | patlabor221 | one nation all over th freaking world |
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| 01:06.27 | tea|tree | hi |
| 01:06.33 | tea|tree | i have 120 gb hd |
| 01:06.41 | tea|tree | and 60 in win xp |
| 01:06.45 | tea|tree | 60 is Linux |
| 01:06.59 | tea|tree | i would like too delete Linux and have 120 for win |
| 01:07.37 | bzdoug_ | buy partition magic |
| 01:07.49 | tea|tree | ore download it |
| 01:07.58 | captain_proton | its not free software |
| 01:07.58 | captain_proton | buy it |
| 01:08.07 | tea|tree | i know |
| 01:08.08 | bzgirl | use fdisk |
| 01:08.18 | tea|tree | how do i do that |
| 01:08.21 | bzgirl | delete the linux partiton |
| 01:08.30 | captain_proton | bzgirl: fdisk can't preserve the windows install |
| 01:08.42 | bzdoug_ | well, he can with 2 partitions |
| 01:08.43 | patlabor221 | just make the other 60 another drive |
| 01:08.46 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:08.56 | bzgirl | if theres 2 partitons it can cant it? |
| 01:08.57 | drinian | Could set up a separate partition |
| 01:08.58 | patlabor221 | do you need it all in one contious space |
| 01:08.59 | captain_proton | thats true |
| 01:09.01 | tea|tree | ? |
| 01:09.12 | tea|tree | im a n00b with that |
| 01:09.20 | drinian | can't format ntfs, though |
| 01:09.20 | patlabor221 | tea is it ok if the other 60 shows up as a second drive? |
| 01:09.21 | bzgirl | is the linux partition primay? |
| 01:09.31 | bzdoug_ | would you mind having 2 60 gig partitions, not one 120 gig? |
| 01:09.37 | tea|tree | what does that mean |
| 01:09.45 | drinian | probably have to make the other partition fat |
| 01:09.54 | tea|tree | what the |
| 01:10.02 | patlabor221 | drinian it'll format it what ever you want, don't confuse him |
| 01:10.16 | tea|tree | will Partion Magic 6 do it? |
| 01:10.21 | patlabor221 | tea|tree your existing drive would be C, the 60 that is left for linux would be drive D |
| 01:10.25 | patlabor221 | yeah it would |
| 01:10.37 | drinian | partition magic will do ntfs but not the linux formating tools |
| 01:10.55 | tea|tree | 3 am here |
| 01:10.55 | patlabor221 | but you don't need anything else if it's ok to have 2 partitions |
| 01:11.13 | captain_proton | drinian: it'll do ext2 |
| 01:11.20 | drinian | true. |
| 01:11.38 | drinian | but you'll lose nt file security, right? |
| 01:12.19 | drinian | if he doesn't mind the security loss, probably better to do fat32 |
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| 01:12.50 | ElectricElf | Damnit, the xmission cheat is back. Grr. |
| 01:13.38 | ElectricElf | (redmondq if anybody has the ability and inclination to kick 'em :) |
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| 01:17.19 | drinian | tea|tree: do you have partition magic? |
| 01:19.08 | tea|tree | ok guys |
| 01:19.14 | tea|tree | i have Partion Magic 6.0 open now |
| 01:19.21 | tea|tree | @ drinian |
| 01:19.36 | tea|tree | NTFS is win |
| 01:19.38 | tea|tree | ? |
| 01:19.54 | drinian | tea|tree: yes. it is the native file system for xp |
| 01:20.07 | drinian | If you can format it with ntfs that's better. |
| 01:20.09 | tea|tree | ok I have got 3 Linux Swap |
| 01:20.12 | tea|tree | lol |
| 01:20.13 | tea|tree | no |
| 01:20.15 | tea|tree | kill Linux |
| 01:20.32 | drinian | delete all the linux partitions including the swap partition |
| 01:20.57 | tea|tree | done |
| 01:21.05 | drinian | then make a new partition with all the open space |
| 01:22.01 | tea|tree | what system type? |
| 01:22.02 | tea|tree | FAT? |
| 01:22.09 | drinian | ntfs if it allows you |
| 01:22.13 | tea|tree | yes |
| 01:22.16 | tea|tree | but it says |
| 01:22.17 | drinian | if not, then fat |
| 01:22.19 | tea|tree | Windows NT only |
| 01:22.24 | tea|tree | but i can choose that |
| 01:22.26 | tea|tree | (still) |
| 01:22.30 | drinian | yes that's fine |
| 01:22.31 | captain_proton | if it does ntfs, why not just resize the current |
| 01:22.55 | drinian | that's true, but a little risky |
| 01:23.12 | captain_proton | not really |
| 01:23.19 | captain_proton | thats the reason why people pay for it |
| 01:23.42 | drinian | yes, but i've seen it go wrong before. |
| 01:24.46 | tea|tree | thats it |
| 01:24.53 | tea|tree | cant open PM 6 anymore |
| 01:25.08 | drinian | pagemaker? |
| 01:25.15 | tea|tree | Partions Magic |
| 01:25.24 | drinian | did you reboot |
| 01:25.28 | tea|tree | Cant read my hd letters? |
| 01:25.31 | tea|tree | no? |
| 01:25.42 | drinian | is it done formatting? |
| 01:25.48 | tea|tree | dunno? |
| 01:25.58 | captain_proton | gah |
| 01:25.58 | drinian | whats on the screen? |
| 01:26.05 | tea|tree | its germen ;D |
| 01:26.08 | captain_proton | if you're going to pirate software, you should at least know how to use it :P |
| 01:26.24 | tea|tree | not pirate software |
| 01:26.29 | tea|tree | installed form cd rom |
| 01:26.33 | tea|tree | and leagl cd key |
| 01:26.36 | tea|tree | legal |
| 01:26.45 | captain_proton | really |
| 01:26.49 | tea|tree | jup |
| 01:26.52 | captain_proton | is that why you were going to download it? |
| 01:27.02 | tea|tree | explain: |
| 01:27.20 | patlabor221 | making it 2 partions is really easy, you sure you don't want to jus do that? |
| 01:27.44 | patlabor221 | you don't even need PM for that. |
| 01:27.58 | tea|tree | Magazin PC Welt the 7/2003 / www.pc-welt.de / 2 top full versions / Partions Magic 6.0 and Disc Juggler 3.5 |
| 01:28.04 | tea|tree | ok captain_proton |
| 01:28.13 | tea|tree | look online if ya dont believe me |
| 01:28.22 | tea|tree | i can scann the magazine! |
| 01:28.30 | tea|tree | patty lets do that what u prefer |
| 01:28.41 | patlabor221 | it's up to you |
| 01:28.46 | patlabor221 | it's your computer |
| 01:29.00 | patlabor221 | I'm just leting you know options and risk |
| 01:29.10 | patlabor221 | if PM screws up, your hozed |
| 01:29.13 | tea|tree | which one is safer |
| 01:29.19 | patlabor221 | 2 partitions |
| 01:29.22 | patlabor221 | by far |
| 01:29.22 | tea|tree | k |
| 01:29.25 | tea|tree | lets do that |
| 01:29.39 | patlabor221 | then I'll tell you in a private message :) |
| 01:29.50 | tea|tree | ohhh how exciting ^^ |
| 01:30.26 | drinian | later all |
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| 01:35.06 | tea|tree | hey lego |
| 01:35.11 | Legolas | hey tea |
| 01:35.15 | tea|tree | no wonder we can hardly play |
| 01:35.21 | tea|tree | 3:30 am here |
| 01:35.22 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 01:35.23 | Legolas | has ski been online? |
| 01:35.27 | tea|tree | dunno |
| 01:35.30 | Legolas | lol |
| 01:35.38 | Legolas | sorta late |
| 01:35.38 | tea|tree | in the channel not |
| 01:35.41 | tea|tree | jup |
| 01:35.47 | Legolas | and ya have to get up for work :) |
| 01:35.56 | tea|tree | nope |
| 01:36.00 | tea|tree | not tomorrow |
| 01:37.08 | Legolas | day off? |
| 01:37.16 | Legolas | o ya |
| 01:37.24 | Legolas | its friday where you are :) |
| 01:37.26 | Legolas | lol |
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| 02:12.44 | tea|tree_ | geeesh |
| 02:16.49 | tea|tree_ | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/KnownCheats |
| 02:16.57 | tea|tree_ | very very slow shots |
| 02:17.06 | tea|tree_ | but that was on ducati some test dunno what |
| 02:17.12 | tea|tree_ | but i saw it lol |
| 02:17.26 | tea|tree_ | extremly slow going shots |
| 02:17.47 | tea|tree_ | and once on turkey exstream fast shots |
| 02:18.17 | tea|tree_ | gnight all |
| 02:19.09 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.14 | fiberchunks | even |
| 02:19.18 | tea|tree_ | night fiber |
| 02:19.23 | tea|tree_ | 20 beers so mad |
| 02:19.40 | tea|tree_ | but that aint 150x30 anymore |
| 02:27.23 | lurgyman | hang it from your car antenna |
| 02:27.58 | fiberchunks | heh, then where, on the plane, would I put my car? ;) |
| 02:28.25 | lurgyman | tie it to a wing |
| 02:28.28 | lurgyman | with some fishing wire |
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| 02:28.36 | SGI | hello |
| 02:28.41 | fiberchunks | ah, there's an idea ;) |
| 02:28.52 | lurgyman | that's what tailfins are for, see |
| 02:29.01 | fiberchunks | I wonder if that violates some national security act thing |
| 02:29.43 | SGI | Im curious |
| 02:29.48 | lurgyman | so long as you don't take it on the plane carry-on, it shouldn't trigger the metal detectors |
| 02:30.11 | lurgyman | SGI: we're discussing storage options |
| 02:30.18 | lurgyman | for fiberchunks' sleeping bag |
| 02:30.57 | SGI | is a tank |
| 02:32.42 | SGI | where you going in vacation |
| 02:33.05 | SGI | iraq afgani or north Korea |
| 02:33.12 | lurgyman | fiberchunks: good question |
| 02:33.50 | SGI | in north K you can have a kevlar sleeping bag |
| 02:34.09 | SGI | no problem for airsecurity check |
| 02:34.48 | SGI | if you decide afga or iraq you need a tanksleepingbag |
| 02:36.19 | lurgyman | maybe a good idea to put in a mine sweeper if it's n korea |
| 02:37.06 | SGI | btw im hoping for some peace there |
| 02:37.33 | lurgyman | as we all should |
| 02:38.08 | SGI | and Im pist off because I cant login in quol server |
| 02:38.42 | lurgyman | >:( |
| 02:39.20 | SGI | no my nouse its like :0( |
| 02:40.01 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 02:47.32 | SGI | i need another monitor |
| 02:47.53 | SGI | or a 42" monitor |
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| 02:57.03 | fiberchunks | do dooo doo |
| 03:00.12 | scanline | hmm.. where are you leaving to and/or arriving from? :) |
| 03:14.08 | captain_proton | scanline: py3d.org |
| 03:14.54 | scanline | seen that, though don't remember seeing anything impressive there |
| 03:15.19 | captain_proton | bindings for ODE :) |
| 03:15.48 | scanline | ah, yes. that's one of the reasons I was thinking about using ODE :) |
| 03:15.54 | scanline | didn't look to see how good the bindings were though |
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| 04:11.10 | Winky | Howdy |
| 04:11.22 | Winky | Anybody here an admin on ducati? |
| 04:11.32 | Winky | They've got a tk who's spoiling all the fun |
| 04:13.52 | Winky | anyone here? |
| 04:14.05 | Winky | Ah well.... |
| 04:14.10 | Winky | Cya! |
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| 04:29.14 | fiberchunks | scanline> going to canada, leaving from CT |
| 04:33.30 | fiberchunks | yoiks! and awwwwwaaaaaayyyyyy |
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| 09:54.22 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 10:03.06 | scanline | hmm.. has MsgPlayerUpdate changed again? |
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| 10:25.50 | Chikorita | ~d |
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| 11:14.33 | dougAtWork | mornin scanline |
| 11:14.43 | scanline | hi |
| 11:17.12 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (__init__.py): Use psyco if it's installed |
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| 11:26.46 | [dmp] | "Aug 1 09:49:36 daisy kernel: Out of Memory: Killed process 31393 (perl)." x 9128392 . Dead server.. again :-( |
| 11:59.21 | Chikorita | aww |
| 11:59.38 | Chikorita | wut duz dat mean dmpee? |
| 12:00.31 | [dmp] | that the server was offline 3 hours, because of the ladder-scripts.. |
| 12:02.15 | Chikorita | da bzflag-ctf league server? |
| 12:02.24 | Chikorita | u mean da webby? |
| 12:02.59 | Chikorita | so da ladder scripts dey take up 2 much memmory? |
| 12:03.29 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 12:03.39 | Chikorita | ahh |
| 12:03.42 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 12:05.01 | Chikorita | i am going 2 scream now... |
| 12:05.19 | Chikorita | AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH |
| 12:05.24 | Chikorita | :) |
| 12:05.25 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 12:29.45 | tea|tree_ | hi |
| 12:30.51 | [dmp] | Hi tea |
| 12:31.45 | Chikorita | hi tea |
| 12:31.51 | Chikorita | iz it tea time ? |
| 12:31.54 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 12:32.01 | tea|tree_ | hehe |
| 12:32.06 | Chikorita | i am having mah morning pepsi :) |
| 12:32.19 | Chikorita | have 2 have at least 2 cans b4 i can function |
| 12:35.50 | [dmp] | CocaCola in denmark had issue with some bottles that contains chemicals (for cleaning) that wasnt washed properly out ot the bottles (we (re)use glass-bottles here) ... yurck.. At least one person is in observations currently because of cocacola (and chemicals :)) |
| 12:37.43 | Chikorita | ugh |
| 12:37.50 | Chikorita | poor guy :\ |
| 12:37.57 | [dmp] | girl.. :) |
| 12:38.08 | [dmp] | so enjoy your liquid :) |
| 12:38.09 | Chikorita | i like pepsi betta dan cokacola |
| 12:38.22 | Chikorita | i am it very refreshing heehe |
| 12:38.25 | [dmp] | pepsi is abit too sweet for my likings. |
| 12:38.30 | Chikorita | nooo |
| 12:38.41 | Chikorita | cokacola iz sweeter 2 mee it seems |
| 12:38.49 | [dmp] | but afaik cocacola/pepsi taste different depending on whih part of the world you live in |
| 12:39.02 | Chikorita | o wel itz independant taste buds i guess |
| 12:39.09 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 12:39.13 | Chikorita | o i didnt kno dat |
| 12:39.30 | Chikorita | i tho coka cola an pepsi all taste da same where eva u r |
| 12:39.49 | Chikorita | wow thnx for da factoid i hafta remember dat |
| 12:39.56 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:40.04 | Chikorita | next time i go abroad i hafta try da sodas |
| 12:40.20 | Chikorita | i kno in canada dey have dis thing called pepsi-lite |
| 12:40.25 | [dmp] | Seems like the ladder behaves again. |
| 12:40.29 | [dmp] | So do we |
| 12:40.31 | Chikorita | itz half diet an half regular |
| 12:40.37 | [dmp] | and cocacola light |
| 12:40.41 | Chikorita | do u like it? |
| 12:40.47 | [dmp] | No |
| 12:40.57 | Chikorita | bzgirl sez itz sucky tasting |
| 12:41.14 | Chikorita | i tho it tasted kinda odd buh i could get used 2 it |
| 12:41.23 | Chikorita | i like da idea of less suga |
| 12:41.47 | [dmp] | Stop drinking cola then :) |
| 12:41.51 | [dmp] | and soda :) |
| 12:41.58 | Chikorita | nooooo |
| 12:42.04 | [dmp] | its sugarfree! |
| 12:42.07 | Chikorita | soda iz mah lifeblood |
| 12:42.22 | Chikorita | i need it |
| 12:42.24 | [dmp] | and then you can taste stuff again :-) |
| 12:42.50 | Chikorita | i can taste stuff now |
| 12:43.03 | Chikorita | i luv mah soda |
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| 12:43.35 | Chikorita | i would rather starve dan not have mah soda |
| 12:43.44 | [dmp] | ~bzgirls |
| 12:43.53 | [dmp] | silly you |
| 12:43.56 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 12:44.03 | [dmp] | is bzgirls server down for good? |
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| 12:44.20 | Chikorita | prolly so.. |
| 12:44.28 | Chikorita | i havent seen it up 4 awhile |
| 12:44.33 | Chikorita | in a long time |
| 12:45.31 | [dmp] | oh |
| 12:46.20 | Chikorita | ~chikorita |
| 12:46.21 | | Chikorita iz kewl |
| 12:46.28 | Chikorita | heeeh ty |
| 12:50.12 | Chikorita | PeEpLe! |
| 12:50.35 | Chikorita | wel i gtg , c u all laterz |
| 12:50.48 | Chikorita | bye dmpee |
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| 13:42.43 | tea|tree | wheres patty |
| 13:43.23 | tea|tree | I have 3 computers |
| 13:43.42 | tea|tree | one is via WLAN conected to the router the otheres 2 are via cable too the router |
| 13:43.55 | tea|tree | one is a Linux one and i want to use it as a server |
| 13:44.08 | tea|tree | but i cant get online with the Linux one |
| 13:44.29 | [dmp] | You use dhcp? |
| 13:44.40 | tea|tree | dunno what u mean lol |
| 13:44.45 | tea|tree | never used linux befor |
| 13:44.47 | tea|tree | e |
| 13:45.07 | tea|tree | the router is conected to DSL |
| 13:45.40 | [dmp] | in windows, you uou specify ip'adresses or do you click "get automatically" (or something like that) in network optiopsn |
| 13:45.49 | tea|tree | i have get autp |
| 13:45.52 | tea|tree | automaticly |
| 13:46.19 | tea|tree | cally |
| 13:46.24 | [dmp] | what do you use, Redhat? Debian? |
| 13:46.38 | tea|tree | Redhat 7.3 ( yes i know theres a 8.0 |
| 13:47.18 | [dmp] | oh.. I'm not familar with redhat. |
| 13:47.35 | [dmp] | what does /etc/network/interfaces contain? |
| 13:47.42 | dougAtWork | theres a redhat 9 out |
| 13:47.49 | tea|tree | i faught soi |
| 13:47.56 | dougAtWork | thats what I am using right now |
| 13:48.01 | tea|tree | hmm |
| 13:48.13 | tea|tree | i have got orginal redhat 7.3 |
| 13:48.14 | dougAtWork | dual monitors, 4 virtual desktops... :) |
| 13:48.19 | tea|tree | lol |
| 13:48.36 | tea|tree | i want to get online with redhat now |
| 13:48.42 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 13:49.15 | tea|tree | waiting for patty |
| 13:49.25 | tea|tree | he wanted to help me |
| 13:49.26 | dougAtWork | run setup |
| 13:49.34 | dougAtWork | goto network configuration |
| 13:49.51 | dougAtWork | tell it to get the ip address automaticaly |
| 13:50.17 | tea|tree | ehm |
| 13:50.38 | drinian | tea|tree: did you get your partition problem solved last night? |
| 13:50.47 | tea|tree | I HAVE NEVER USED LINUX BEFORE so please explain clearer |
| 13:50.52 | tea|tree | :D |
| 13:51.04 | tea|tree | drinian thats all done now thx |
| 13:51.22 | tea|tree | drinian the only problem is that theres still a double boot at the beginning |
| 13:51.25 | tea|tree | dougAtWork? |
| 13:52.29 | drinian | tea|tree: Hmmm...I'm not sure with xp but with win98 you could run fdisk /mbr to restore the master boot record and that will remove the boot loader. |
| 13:52.40 | dougAtWork | open up a terminal |
| 13:52.45 | dougAtWork | and type setup |
| 13:52.51 | tea|tree | whats the terminal |
| 13:52.53 | tea|tree | lol |
| 13:53.16 | dougAtWork | the terminal should be on the taskbar thing as a square black thing with a >_ on it |
| 13:53.32 | tea|tree | in windows the start thing?= |
| 13:53.41 | tea|tree | bottum left |
| 13:54.00 | dougAtWork | in linux |
| 13:54.03 | tea|tree | ye |
| 13:54.07 | tea|tree | then what? |
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| 13:54.14 | tea|tree | bryjen hello |
| 13:54.21 | bryjen | hi |
| 13:54.31 | dougAtWork | click the hat, or foot, or the big K, depending on what you have |
| 13:54.48 | dougAtWork | system tools |
| 13:54.51 | dougAtWork | consol |
| 13:54.58 | dougAtWork | or terminal |
| 13:55.04 | dougAtWork | or whatever its called |
| 13:56.22 | tea|tree | i am in panel |
| 13:56.25 | tea|tree | what shall i do |
| 13:56.27 | tea|tree | there |
| 13:56.52 | dougAtWork | in panel? |
| 13:57.16 | tea|tree | terminal sorry |
| 13:57.23 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 13:57.37 | dougAtWork | type in /sbin/ifconfig |
| 13:57.54 | tea|tree | hmm |
| 13:57.56 | dougAtWork | and press enter |
| 13:57.57 | tea|tree | in run? |
| 13:58.05 | dougAtWork | ARe you on windows or linux? |
| 13:58.08 | tea|tree | Linux |
| 13:58.12 | tea|tree | redhat 7.3 |
| 13:58.18 | tea|tree | other pc thow |
| 13:58.23 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 13:58.25 | tea|tree | have to run up and down |
| 13:58.31 | tea|tree | i have a foot |
| 13:58.38 | dougAtWork | me too |
| 13:58.42 | tea|tree | there is panel programmes etz |
| 13:58.42 | dougAtWork | I have 2 of them |
| 13:58.45 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 13:58.59 | dougAtWork | ok, better yet |
| 13:59.27 | dougAtWork | press ctrl alt F2, then press ctrl alt F7 to switch back |
| 13:59.40 | dougAtWork | so then press cntl alt F2 |
| 13:59.46 | dougAtWork | and type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 14:00.05 | dougAtWork | and/or type setup if you just want to setup the network card |
| 14:00.14 | tea|tree | aaaaaah |
| 14:00.20 | dougAtWork | or go ask in #redhat, which would problebly be alot better |
| 14:00.22 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:00.40 | tea|tree | hmm |
| 14:00.57 | dougAtWork | erk |
| 14:01.01 | dougAtWork | first, login as root |
| 14:01.06 | dougAtWork | then type those commands |
| 14:02.36 | tea|tree | ip adress? |
| 14:02.39 | tea|tree | netmask ? |
| 14:02.40 | tea|tree | .... |
| 14:02.49 | tea|tree | .root and my password that i know |
| 14:02.50 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 14:02.53 | dougAtWork | tell it to use dhcp |
| 14:02.55 | tea|tree | im in the stup |
| 14:03.02 | tea|tree | how that |
| 14:03.35 | dougAtWork | goto network configuration |
| 14:03.52 | dougAtWork | tell it to use dynamic IP configuration |
| 14:04.48 | tea|tree | ehm |
| 14:04.57 | tea|tree | im on ctrl alt F2 |
| 14:05.04 | dougAtWork | ok, did you log in? |
| 14:05.08 | tea|tree | typed root |
| 14:05.12 | tea|tree | then pass |
| 14:05.14 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 14:05.15 | tea|tree | then setup |
| 14:05.17 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 14:05.21 | tea|tree | then network configuration |
| 14:05.23 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 14:05.34 | tea|tree | not it says IP adress |
| 14:05.37 | tea|tree | Netmask |
| 14:05.42 | tea|tree | 2 others |
| 14:05.45 | dougAtWork | does it say dhcp anywhere? |
| 14:05.48 | dougAtWork | or bootp? |
| 14:05.55 | dougAtWork | or dynamic? |
| 14:05.56 | tea|tree | nothing |
| 14:06.06 | dougAtWork | wierd |
| 14:06.25 | dougAtWork | well then, on the windows computer, goto start, run, type cmd |
| 14:06.26 | tea|tree | dynamic |
| 14:06.34 | dougAtWork | dynamic is on there? |
| 14:06.39 | tea|tree | daynamic ip configuration bla bla |
| 14:06.47 | dougAtWork | ah, select that |
| 14:06.57 | tea|tree | yes |
| 14:06.59 | dougAtWork | then click OK |
| 14:08.34 | tea|tree | I am in the dynamic ip configuration (boot/dhcp= |
| 14:09.03 | dougAtWork | hm |
| 14:09.13 | tea|tree | i could hit ok |
| 14:09.17 | dougAtWork | yea |
| 14:09.19 | dougAtWork | hit ok |
| 14:09.21 | tea|tree | but i must type stuff in first |
| 14:09.26 | tea|tree | like IP? |
| 14:09.33 | tea|tree | ore Netmask? |
| 14:09.37 | dougAtWork | hm, go back to the dynamic ip, and press space |
| 14:09.39 | tea|tree | and the other 2 things |
| 14:09.49 | tea|tree | ????? |
| 14:09.56 | dougAtWork | is dynamic selected? |
| 14:10.40 | tea|tree | [ ] dynamic ip configuration (bootp/dhcp) |
| 14:10.46 | tea|tree | then it says IP bla |
| 14:10.52 | tea|tree | and the rest |
| 14:11.01 | dougAtWork | ok, so select dynamic, and then press space |
| 14:11.09 | tea|tree | how do i select |
| 14:11.14 | Tupone | use <tab> to |
| 14:11.16 | dougAtWork | arrow keys |
| 14:11.19 | dougAtWork | or tab |
| 14:11.20 | tea|tree | aaaah |
| 14:11.26 | tea|tree | <--- linux n00b |
| 14:11.30 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:12.17 | tea|tree | no im back with choose a tool |
| 14:12.39 | dougAtWork | ok |
| 14:12.39 | dougAtWork | then quit |
| 14:13.07 | tea|tree | ctrl alt F7? |
| 14:13.13 | dougAtWork | and then, once your back to the prompt, type in: ping google.com |
| 14:13.32 | tea|tree | prompt is the graphical linux? |
| 14:13.36 | dougAtWork | no |
| 14:13.42 | dougAtWork | the black area |
| 14:13.42 | tea|tree | hm |
| 14:13.43 | dougAtWork | F2 |
| 14:13.44 | tea|tree | aaah |
| 14:13.52 | tea|tree | ping google.com? |
| 14:13.55 | dougAtWork | yep |
| 14:13.55 | tea|tree | k |
| 14:14.20 | dougAtWork | it should say something like this: 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.51.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=43.9 ms |
| 14:14.32 | dougAtWork | wont be exactly like it, but it should be sorta the same |
| 14:15.08 | tea|tree | unknow host google.com |
| 14:15.13 | dougAtWork | uh huh |
| 14:15.26 | dougAtWork | does your network card light up? |
| 14:15.38 | [dmp] | what happens if you write ifconfig, tea? |
| 14:16.11 | dougAtWork | [dmp]: you take over |
| 14:16.12 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 14:16.14 | tea|tree | n |
| 14:16.16 | tea|tree | no |
| 14:16.24 | dougAtWork | have to get back to work =) |
| 14:16.35 | tea|tree | cu tad |
| 14:16.37 | tea|tree | and thx |
| 14:16.39 | [dmp] | :) |
| 14:17.04 | tea|tree | dmp? |
| 14:17.11 | [dmp] | tea|tree: in you console/terminal, write ifconfig |
| 14:17.12 | tea|tree | i have no lite blinkin at the back |
| 14:17.55 | tea|tree | console/terminal? |
| 14:18.07 | [dmp] | prompt |
| 14:18.10 | tea|tree | aaah |
| 14:18.11 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 14:18.12 | [dmp] | :)= |
| 14:18.15 | bryjen | the black text screen |
| 14:18.16 | tea|tree | ifconfig? |
| 14:18.18 | tea|tree | k |
| 14:18.21 | dougAtWork | yea, F2 |
| 14:18.26 | [dmp] | hey! :) |
| 14:18.49 | bryjen | back to work bzdoug! |
| 14:18.52 | dougAtWork | boss walks by, bing, back at my remote desktop :) |
| 14:18.54 | bzgirl | ;) |
| 14:19.10 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:19.19 | dougAtWork | ={) |
| 14:20.09 | tea|tree | what now |
| 14:20.41 | [dmp] | paste me the output, please |
| 14:20.48 | [dmp] | if you can :) |
| 14:20.52 | tea|tree | how that |
| 14:21.18 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 14:21.29 | [dmp] | does it write "lo" and "eth0" ? |
| 14:21.48 | tea|tree | its says |
| 14:22.02 | tea|tree | Link encap: Local Loopback |
| 14:22.11 | tea|tree | inet addr. 127.0.0.1 |
| 14:22.18 | tea|tree | Mask 255.0.0.0 |
| 14:22.18 | [dmp] | thats allright |
| 14:22.22 | tea|tree | bla bla bla |
| 14:22.27 | [dmp] | do it write eth0 as well? |
| 14:22.33 | tea|tree | ehmm |
| 14:22.35 | bryjen | that's beside lo |
| 14:23.20 | bryjen | tea: you said there was no lights lit on your network card? |
| 14:23.26 | tea|tree | no eth0 |
| 14:23.32 | tea|tree | yes |
| 14:23.33 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 14:23.36 | tea|tree | no lites |
| 14:23.39 | tea|tree | lights |
| 14:23.54 | bryjen | check the cable from the network card to whatever |
| 14:23.59 | dougAtWork | sounds like a unsupported ethernet card |
| 14:23.59 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:24.15 | tea|tree | calble must be ok |
| 14:24.20 | dougAtWork | what brand is your network card? |
| 14:24.26 | tea|tree | dunno |
| 14:24.30 | dougAtWork | ah |
| 14:24.45 | [dmp] | wouldnt the card normally blink anyway, doug? |
| 14:24.48 | bryjen | if there isn't a link light you're probly not getting a signal |
| 14:24.51 | Tupone | write that => lspci |grep -i eth |
| 14:25.27 | bryjen | most cards have a link light that should be solid on, and an activity light that blinks when its sending/recieving |
| 14:25.32 | dougAtWork | [dmp]: maybe, sometimes the OS turns the card on, thats the way it works with some devices :) |
| 14:26.42 | dougAtWork | :P |
| 14:26.45 | tea|tree | command not found |
| 14:26.47 | dougAtWork | perl and php |
| 14:27.02 | tea|tree | does the I have to be big? |
| 14:27.09 | Tupone | have you logged as root? |
| 14:27.11 | dougAtWork | try /sbin/lspci |grep -i eth |
| 14:27.12 | [dmp] | except libraries could be regarded as drivers? YUCK :) |
| 14:27.26 | tea|tree | I big? |
| 14:27.39 | [dmp] | tea|tree: no |
| 14:27.42 | bryjen | or just lspci to start with. |
| 14:27.59 | dougAtWork | I get lspci not found too |
| 14:27.59 | tea|tree | Ispci(space)|grep(space)-i(space)th |
| 14:28.10 | tea|tree | eth |
| 14:28.19 | [dmp] | tea|tree: you just need to be root (if you are not sure if you are root or not, write whoami) |
| 14:28.30 | tea|tree | i am root |
| 14:28.32 | Tupone | l like L |
| 14:28.35 | bryjen | redhat 7.3 not have lspci ? |
| 14:28.42 | dougAtWork | no, /sbin/lspci(space)|grep(space)-i(space)eth |
| 14:28.55 | dougAtWork | yea, it does |
| 14:29.00 | tea|tree | germen keyboard :o((( |
| 14:29.27 | tea|tree | brb |
| 14:30.06 | bryjen | i'd still bet if there's no link light, its a physical problem |
| 14:31.05 | [dmp] | that would be my guess too. |
| 14:31.06 | tea|tree | no suck file ore dictionary |
| 14:31.10 | tea|tree | such |
| 14:31.15 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 14:32.32 | [dmp] | do you know if network and cable are ok? |
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| 14:32.46 | [dmp] | all my networks cards begin their lightshow when i turn the computer on |
| 14:33.15 | tea|tree | cable is ok |
| 14:33.19 | tea|tree | network i dunno |
| 14:33.25 | bryjen | what's it connected to ? |
| 14:33.30 | tea|tree | router |
| 14:33.42 | bryjen | what kind ? |
| 14:33.55 | tea|tree | WLAN router |
| 14:34.01 | tea|tree | 3 LAN slots |
| 14:34.06 | tea|tree | 1 WAN |
| 14:34.21 | dougAtWork | who made it? |
| 14:34.26 | bryjen | into one of the LAN ports ? |
| 14:34.50 | bryjen | and is there a link light on the router for that port ? |
| 14:35.08 | tea|tree | a few lights yes |
| 14:35.24 | tea|tree | 3 pcs now are conected to the router |
| 14:35.53 | dougAtWork | I know, take your cable thats going to the linux computer, and plug BOTH ends into the router, and see if 2 more lights turn on, if so, that means you got a crossover cable, and it wont work with a PC to hub setup |
| 14:36.14 | bryjen | there's usually a light for each port |
| 14:36.31 | bryjen | dougAtWork: or the routers hub does auto-crossover |
| 14:36.39 | dougAtWork | unplug one of the other computers, not this one, but the 2nd pc, not the linux one :) |
| 14:37.01 | dougAtWork | bryjen: yea, but it seems to be an older one ... |
| 14:37.26 | tea|tree | aaaah now it glowing |
| 14:37.34 | bryjen | whats glowing ? |
| 14:37.40 | tea|tree | network card |
| 14:37.49 | tea|tree | from linuc pc |
| 14:37.51 | bryjen | that sounds better |
| 14:37.55 | dougAtWork | yea |
| 14:38.04 | tea|tree | i didnt see it befour hand lol |
| 14:38.05 | bryjen | loose connection? |
| 14:38.44 | tea|tree | so what now |
| 14:38.53 | [dmp] | try ifup eth0 |
| 14:39.14 | dougAtWork | /sbin/ifup eth0 |
| 14:39.17 | dougAtWork | on redhat :0 |
| 14:39.48 | bryjen | if your root, /sbin/ should be in your $PATH and not necessary to type |
| 14:40.25 | dougAtWork | in thery |
| 14:40.39 | dougAtWork | not for me |
| 14:40.40 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:40.46 | Tupone | /etc/init.d/network restart (try this either) |
| 14:41.02 | bryjen | no. _if_ its in the PATH is will work. |
| 14:41.30 | tea|tree | Donaald becker and other bla bla link |
| 14:41.39 | tea|tree | Ip somthing.... |
| 14:41.45 | bryjen | oooh, driver copyright notice |
| 14:41.54 | [dmp] | so if you write ifconfig you get eth0 now? |
| 14:42.11 | Tupone | and try #ping 216.239.51.99 |
| 14:42.51 | [dmp] | (without #) |
| 14:43.05 | tea|tree | ip informyation for th0 faild! |
| 14:43.46 | bryjen | hrm |
| 14:43.49 | Tupone | Other PC on your lan how get theyr IP addresses? |
| 14:44.28 | dougAtWork | dhcp |
| 14:45.03 | tea|tree | ip config says that stuff aigan |
| 14:45.09 | bryjen | does it need a reboot to get the dhcp client started ? |
| 14:45.18 | tea|tree | but says nothing with eth0 |
| 14:45.29 | tea|tree | Tupone auto! |
| 14:45.49 | Tupone | have you tried /etc/init.d/network restart |
| 14:46.15 | tea|tree | ill trie |
| 14:46.46 | bryjen | ok, so maybe its doesn't /need/ to reboot, but would that be a simple way |
| 14:48.22 | tea|tree | what now Tupone |
| 14:48.31 | tea|tree | its loaded 2 things |
| 14:48.35 | Tupone | try againf ifconfig |
| 14:49.23 | tea|tree | eth0 faild by the way |
| 14:49.30 | tea|tree | showing the same thing |
| 14:50.32 | [dmp] | does it write anything else except it failed? |
| 14:50.39 | tea|tree | OK |
| 14:50.40 | [dmp] | how about the lights? Are the still on? |
| 14:50.42 | tea|tree | ^^ |
| 14:50.50 | [dmp] | or blinking.. |
| 14:50.52 | tea|tree | it says ok to the other stuff |
| 14:51.06 | tea|tree | and the network card has its normal light on |
| 14:51.16 | tea|tree | gosh why is it so complicated |
| 14:51.18 | dougAtWork | does it blink? |
| 14:51.27 | dougAtWork | becuase you need to read a linux book :) |
| 14:51.29 | tea|tree | router ore network card |
| 14:51.42 | dougAtWork | card |
| 14:51.56 | dougAtWork | there should be a blinking light, if there is traffice |
| 14:52.01 | dougAtWork | unless its a switch |
| 14:52.09 | dougAtWork | try typing ping google.com |
| 14:52.16 | dougAtWork | then watch the light |
| 14:53.07 | tea|tree | got it! |
| 14:53.14 | dougAtWork | it blinks? |
| 14:53.14 | tea|tree | shows eth0 uo |
| 14:53.18 | tea|tree | glows |
| 14:53.23 | tea|tree | wasnt conect propaly |
| 14:53.33 | dougAtWork | k |
| 14:53.35 | [dmp] | The only time i experience that i get failure on my network card is when it cant get the info from dhcp. |
| 14:53.44 | dougAtWork | what does ping google.com show? |
| 14:53.55 | dougAtWork | should be like: 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.51.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=47.7 m |
| 14:54.38 | tea|tree | works! |
| 14:54.55 | tea|tree | hould be like: 64 bytes from www.google.com (216.239.51.100): icmp_seq=1 ttl=46 time=47.7 m bla is flooding my screen full |
| 14:55.18 | tea|tree | great |
| 14:55.21 | tea|tree | what now? |
| 14:55.22 | dougAtWork | press cntl c |
| 14:55.35 | dougAtWork | ctrl-c it should stop it |
| 14:55.42 | dougAtWork | now, press ctrl alt F7 |
| 14:55.47 | dougAtWork | and surf the net |
| 14:55.48 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:55.55 | Tupone | somebody here has experience with Cisco 827? |
| 14:56.01 | dougAtWork | nope |
| 14:56.04 | tea|tree | statistics |
| 14:56.08 | tea|tree | form google.com |
| 14:56.24 | tea|tree | my father worked for Cisco once |
| 14:56.29 | dougAtWork | 2 packets transmitted, 2 received, 0% packet loss, time 1010ms |
| 14:56.29 | dougAtWork | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 47.724/57.111/66.499/9.390 ms |
| 14:56.35 | tea|tree | yeah |
| 14:56.42 | dougAtWork | ok, goto F7 |
| 14:56.47 | dougAtWork | and try web |
| 14:56.48 | dougAtWork | or something |
| 14:56.59 | dougAtWork | now, back to work must I be going now |
| 14:57.18 | tea|tree | cu and thanks |
| 14:58.14 | dougAtWork | np |
| 15:11.13 | tea|tree | works |
| 15:11.26 | tea|tree | i can go online the first time with linux |
| 15:11.39 | tea|tree | but i dunno what to download for bzflag lol |
| 15:12.50 | tea|tree | exit |
| 15:14.25 | bryjen | Tupone: I've got one 837 |
| 15:14.35 | bryjen | whoops |
| 15:14.51 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-217-133-255-98.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 15:14.56 | Tupone | ? |
| 15:17.17 | dougAtWork | Tupone: I've got one 837 |
| 15:17.28 | dougAtWork | huh |
| 15:17.34 | Tupone | 827 but I'm not able to go http |
| 15:18.11 | bryjen | http to web sites or the admin and setup for the router ? |
| 15:18.26 | Tupone | http via nat to outside |
| 15:18.31 | bryjen | ah |
| 15:18.50 | Tupone | chat has you see is working, bzflag to, mail, no http |
| 15:19.07 | bryjen | any access lists or just nat ? |
| 15:19.50 | Tupone | Can I work without |
| 15:19.53 | Tupone | ? |
| 15:20.30 | Tupone | ip nat inside source list 1 interface Dialer0 overload |
| 15:20.30 | Tupone | ip nat inside source list 2 interface Ethernet0 overload |
| 15:20.30 | Tupone | ip classless |
| 15:20.30 | Tupone | ip route 0.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 Dialer0 |
| 15:20.30 | Tupone | no ip http server |
| 15:20.31 | Tupone | ! |
| 15:20.33 | Tupone | access-list 1 permit 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255 |
| 15:20.35 | Tupone | access-list 2 deny 192.168.0.0 0.0.0.255 |
| 15:20.37 | Tupone | access-list 199 permit ip any any |
| 15:20.39 | Tupone | dialer-list 1 protocol ip permit |
| 15:21.06 | Tupone | can be access list 2 does not mean anything |
| 15:21.07 | bryjen | hmm |
| 15:21.23 | Tupone | and 199 either! |
| 15:21.46 | bryjen | if 199 isn't referenced anywhere else |
| 15:22.29 | Tupone | No! probably is safe to remove |
| 15:22.51 | bryjen | I don't think "inside" is supposed to be on both interfaces |
| 15:22.59 | Tupone | that ip nat inside source list 2 interface Ethernet0 overload can be removed too, perhaps |
| 15:23.07 | bryjen | errr |
| 15:23.13 | Tupone | I was just fighting hours with that configuration |
| 15:23.38 | bryjen | I think the ... inside .... Dialer0 ... line is probly wrong |
| 15:24.05 | bryjen | I'd imagine the Dialer is the _outside_ network |
| 15:24.17 | Tupone | Yes! it is |
| 15:24.52 | Tupone | now I'm working with the ip nat inside source list 1 interface Dialer0 overload only |
| 15:25.26 | bryjen | odd |
| 15:25.54 | bryjen | is your internal network 192.168.0.0 ? |
| 15:26.14 | Tupone | My PC is at 192.168.0.2 and router at 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:26.18 | bryjen | ah |
| 15:28.04 | bryjen | errr, uh. ok i think that's telling it to use the dialer0 's address as the source to translate to, so that's right after all |
| 15:28.58 | Tupone | If I go telnet to port 80 to a web server it's responding |
| 15:29.16 | bryjen | did it before ? |
| 15:29.29 | Tupone | Yes. |
| 15:29.39 | Tupone | Can be nat timers? |
| 15:29.53 | bryjen | does work in a web browser now ? |
| 15:30.30 | Tupone | I'm retrying .... |
| 15:32.27 | Tupone | or is extremely slow ... or the same problem |
| 15:32.52 | bryjen | hmm. odd that telnet works |
| 15:34.11 | Tupone | I don't know if it work. http protocol is obscure to me. I just say it write something like <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//IETF//DTD HTML 2.0//EN"> |
| 15:34.35 | Tupone | .... and then Connection closed by foreign host. |
| 15:34.48 | bryjen | that's the beginning of an HTML document |
| 15:35.21 | Tupone | yeah, but I don't know the way to ask for the entire html file via telnet |
| 15:35.45 | bryjen | GET filename or something like that |
| 15:36.19 | Chestal | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:36.19 | Chestal | GET /whatever.html HTTP/1.0 |
| 15:36.19 | Chestal | HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found |
| 15:36.36 | Chestal | if the sevrer runs virtual hosts, you have to do more, though |
| 15:36.44 | bryjen | the whole url |
| 15:37.05 | Tupone | I got via telnet GET http://www.tiscali.it/index.html |
| 15:37.11 | Chestal | you'd have to use a Host: www.foo.bar header then, I think it's Host: |
| 15:37.30 | Chestal | no, that's the syntax used for proxies |
| 15:37.53 | Chestal | or is it a proxy? I didn't read what it's about :-) |
| 15:38.31 | bryjen | Chestal: just a web site |
| 15:39.02 | Tupone | I'm still not able to get via mozilla or lynx :( |
| 15:39.26 | Chestal | you coudl try: |
| 15:39.27 | Chestal | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 15:39.27 | Chestal | HEAD / HTTP/1.0 |
| 15:39.27 | Chestal | Host: www.ibm.com |
| 15:39.34 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:39.47 | Chestal | should give you HTTP/1.1 302 Found etc. |
| 15:41.32 | Tupone | It says that:HEAD / HTTP/1.0 |
| 15:41.32 | Tupone | Host: www.ibm.com |
| 15:41.32 | Tupone | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:41.32 | Tupone | HTTP/1.1 302 Found |
| 15:41.32 | Tupone | Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:40:58 GMT |
| 15:41.33 | Tupone | Server: IBM_HTTP_SERVER/1.3.26 Apache/1.3.26 (Unix) |
| 15:41.35 | Tupone | Location: http://www.ibm.com/us/ |
| 15:41.37 | Tupone | Connection: close |
| 15:41.39 | Tupone | Content-Type: text/html |
| 15:41.55 | Chestal | when you replace HEAD with GET, you should get the content itself, too |
| 15:42.14 | Tupone | Nat timers could be my problems? |
| 15:43.17 | bryjen | if telnet works, i wouldnt think it was the router causing the problem |
| 15:43.47 | Tupone | If I use the 56k modem, all those stuff works |
| 15:45.57 | bryjen | i've never changed any timers on our routers. the defaults seem to work. |
| 15:46.54 | tea|tree | cu all |
| 15:47.00 | bryjen | bye tea|tree |
| 15:47.19 | Tupone | It works with wget too |
| 15:47.23 | [dmp] | good luck with you nice red hat, tea :-) |
| 15:48.56 | tea|tree | lol |
| 15:48.57 | tea|tree | thx |
| 15:49.02 | tea|tree | dunno what to download |
| 15:49.06 | tea|tree | for bz |
| 15:49.12 | tea|tree | no nothing with linux |
| 15:49.17 | tea|tree | know |
| 15:49.42 | [dmp] | what do you mean, for bzflag? |
| 15:51.40 | bryjen | Tupone: have you closed and restarted mozilla ? |
| 15:51.52 | Tupone | Yeah |
| 15:52.37 | Tupone | Now I try to find on Cisco site, via wget and local browsing. |
| 15:53.01 | tea|tree | i dunno what to download |
| 15:53.09 | tea|tree | sf.nez |
| 15:53.09 | Chestal | Tupone: strange, when wget works, Browsers should, too. Sure that you haven't configured a proxy? |
| 15:53.10 | tea|tree | net |
| 15:54.05 | Tupone | A proxy on the router? don't have. neither on my Linux Box |
| 15:55.06 | [dmp] | tea, think this is the one for you: http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/bzflag/bzflag-1.7g2-1.i386.rpm?download |
| 15:56.02 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.172.230) |
| 15:56.19 | Tupone | Looking for a site without any http address inside the page ... |
| 15:56.20 | tea|tree | and i cant get on X chat here |
| 15:56.22 | Chestal | Tupone: configured in your browser I thought. mozilla must be doing somethign different than wget |
| 15:56.24 | dougAtWork | Tupone: if you have an old pc with 2 ethernet cards... http://www.ipcop.org |
| 15:56.28 | tea|tree | it wants me to register the server |
| 15:56.31 | dougAtWork | easyer than cisco, by far |
| 15:57.22 | Chikorita | wee should have bad werd callsign filter... |
| 15:57.41 | Chikorita | so cheaterz an teamkiller cant make bad names |
| 15:57.51 | Tupone | I know. I have a Cisco for no money. I did not want to spend money for a modem if I can |
| 15:57.57 | Chikorita | an bad peeps too |
| 15:58.05 | Chikorita | an weirdoz |
| 15:58.43 | [dmp] | tea|tree: xchat is here: http://xchat.org/files/binary/rpm/xchat-2.0.4-0.i386.rpm |
| 15:58.53 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 15:59.09 | bryjen | Bah. Cisco r0x0rz. U just phear da cli ! |
| 15:59.22 | bryjen | and meebee the price tag :) |
| 15:59.33 | captain_proton | price tag sucks :) |
| 16:00.00 | bryjen | eeeep Chikorita is rubbing off on me! |
| 16:00.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 16:00.40 | bryjen | ~lart bryjen |
| 16:01.15 | bryjen | And I'm feeling muuuuch better now |
| 16:02.04 | [dmp] | more relaxed anyway :) |
| 16:07.03 | tea|tree | download doesnt work |
| 16:07.04 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~orchid@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 16:07.10 | tea|tree | never mind |
| 16:07.20 | tea|tree | tomorrow |
| 16:07.36 | bryjen | is another day |
| 16:21.01 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 16:21.02 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:27.09 | tea|tree | cu all |
| 16:28.01 | *** part/#bzflag tea|tree (~tea|tree@pD9E9579E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:28.30 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~SGI@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 16:28.35 | SGI | hello |
| 16:30.30 | lurgyman | widgey woo |
| 17:00.05 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 17:15.03 | bzgirl | what does this mean when running ./autogen.sh (1.7g2 sources): |
| 17:15.05 | bzgirl | WARNING: AC_DEFINE([NEED_MAIN], 1, |
| 17:15.06 | bzgirl | WARNING: [Define if a function `main' is needed.]) |
| 17:16.04 | lurgyman | i guess the bzflag autoconf is written such that it doesn't need this 'main' function.... and autoconf thinks it's a bit weird? |
| 17:16.25 | *** join/#bzflag GrizzlyAdams (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 17:16.30 | bzgirl | so i ignore it i guess |
| 17:17.49 | *** join/#bzflag dougAtWork (~dheckaman@64-44-153-2.user.uswo.net) |
| 17:17.56 | lurgyman | unless you end up with problems when you run configure |
| 17:22.10 | patlabor221 | there woudn't be a main on a windows build |
| 17:22.24 | lurgyman | ah |
| 17:22.25 | lurgyman | right on |
| 17:30.36 | bzgirl | Ok the source code compiled, but iget an error Cant Create Window, Exiting when running ./bzflag |
| 17:31.26 | lurgyman | patlabor221? |
| 17:31.35 | patlabor221 | sorry |
| 17:31.41 | patlabor221 | driloing hole in head |
| 17:31.44 | bzgirl | heh |
| 17:31.57 | bzgirl | dont stop till you get to the other side |
| 17:32.14 | patlabor221 | sounds like X filed |
| 17:32.18 | patlabor221 | failed |
| 17:32.24 | lurgyman | heheh |
| 17:32.26 | lurgyman | X filed |
| 17:32.27 | patlabor221 | try running it with -window |
| 17:32.28 | prot-work | bzgirl: try 'bzflag -view normal' ? |
| 17:32.45 | bzgirl | prot-work: ok, trying... |
| 17:33.00 | TimRiker | or try glxinfo or similar to be sure you have GL |
| 17:33.18 | bzgirl | prot-work: same error |
| 17:33.26 | prot-work | try TimRiker's ;) |
| 17:33.41 | prot-work | hmm |
| 17:33.43 | lurgyman | prot-work: this is windoze, i gather |
| 17:33.52 | prot-work | lurgyman: not with bzgirl |
| 17:33.57 | lurgyman | oh |
| 17:34.07 | lurgyman | then the autoconf message wasn't windoze-induced |
| 17:34.08 | bzgirl | lots of output for glxinfo, i have glx |
| 17:34.12 | bzgirl | i mean GL |
| 17:34.20 | bzgirl | tuxracer works :) |
| 17:34.25 | lurgyman | yay! |
| 17:34.25 | patlabor221 | no windows would not run from a ./ command line there lurgy |
| 17:34.41 | TimRiker | are you running as a normal user with the correct DISPLAY variable set? |
| 17:34.57 | patlabor221 | and you would not have to build for a windows run. |
| 17:35.08 | lurgyman | but you -could- build for a windows run |
| 17:35.10 | lurgyman | if you were |
| 17:35.11 | bzgirl | TimRiker: yes i didnt change any default env variables |
| 17:35.14 | lurgyman | a little weird |
| 17:35.30 | patlabor221 | yeah you could build command line style on windows but it's wierd. |
| 17:35.36 | patlabor221 | not sure if it even works |
| 17:35.47 | prot-work | TimRiker: it only gives the "can't create window" error when it has an error setting up the gl context somehow |
| 17:36.02 | patlabor221 | could it be the screen resize thing? |
| 17:36.14 | prot-work | hmm, possible i guess |
| 17:36.23 | patlabor221 | I would try it with -window -geometry 640x480 |
| 17:36.32 | prot-work | yeah, try window |
| 17:36.41 | prot-work | actually, probably easiest |
| 17:36.45 | prot-work | move your config file out of the way, then run |
| 17:39.36 | TimRiker | Chestal: you're a Master on Advogato too. |
| 17:40.43 | bryjen | autogen has always thrown warnings at me too, but it builds fine. IIRC , when I inquired here, somebody said it was due to making it work with several versions of the auto stuff |
| 17:40.52 | bzgirl | same dealio with -window -geometry 640x480 and my .bzflag file moved |
| 17:41.02 | prot-work | bzgirl: :P |
| 17:41.06 | prot-work | bryjen: yep |
| 17:41.24 | lurgyman | prot-work: at least diablo-d3 isn't certified master |
| 17:41.33 | TimRiker | prot-work: I wonder if I change my vote to Journeyer if you'll get that far... |
| 17:42.02 | prot-work | TimRiker: all the ranked people i've seen so far have 4 certs, whereas i've only got 3 |
| 17:42.05 | TimRiker | bzgirl: hmm. not cool. ldd tuxracer and bzflag and see if they are using the same libGL |
| 17:42.29 | bzgirl | ok |
| 17:42.41 | TimRiker | prot-work: nod. tried it. didn't work. |
| 17:42.59 | prot-work | bzgirl: along with that, make sure that libGL, etc are dynamically linked |
| 17:43.31 | TimRiker | so we need more bzflag devs on advogato so they can rank you. ;-) |
| 17:43.37 | prot-work | heh |
| 17:44.03 | TimRiker | bryjen: heh. doubtful. but I wonder if I've set a record. from 0 to Master in < day. |
| 17:44.29 | lurgyman | doo dee doo |
| 17:44.35 | bryjen | how many levels are there? |
| 17:44.54 | prot-work | TimRiker: so all the bzflag devs would be considered bad, and you'd be confused? ;) |
| 17:45.04 | TimRiker | I can't wait for the gpg web stats to be updated so I can see my changed rank there. (after the OLS keysigning) |
| 17:45.37 | TimRiker | prot-work: if we all peer-rank then at least you'd be ranked and able to do journal etc. |
| 17:45.49 | prot-work | TimRiker: anybody can do the diary |
| 17:46.07 | prot-work | wom 3 |
| 17:46.09 | prot-work | err |
| 17:46.15 | prot-work | wow, thats quite the irssi typo |
| 17:46.37 | lurgyman | hehe |
| 17:46.38 | lurgyman | wom |
| 17:46.40 | prot-work | silly small laptop keyboards |
| 17:49.18 | TimRiker | prot-work: hmm. ok, the join project and news post then. whatever is added when you get ranked. |
| 17:49.29 | prot-work | yep |
| 17:50.52 | TimRiker | prot-work: certify lurgyman |
| 17:51.29 | prot-work | hmm |
| 17:51.40 | prot-work | now the question is, is lurgyman an apprentice or a master? =) |
| 17:51.53 | Chestal | there's always the Observer :-) |
| 17:52.14 | prot-work | lurgyman: nice diary entry ;) |
| 17:52.50 | bzgirl | tuxracer and bzflag use the same libGLU.so.1 & libGL.so.1 |
| 17:52.57 | prot-work | bzgirl: oof |
| 17:53.23 | TimRiker | bzgirl: crap crap crap. no more ideas at present other than stracing to see where it fails. |
| 17:53.42 | TimRiker | oh. one more. tuxracer is not set uid anything is it? |
| 17:54.04 | bzgirl | no, standard deban package install |
| 17:54.06 | prot-work | should look at the window setup code |
| 17:54.09 | prot-work | since thats pretty dirty |
| 17:55.24 | bzgirl | i can apt-get the the official package i guess and use that |
| 17:56.46 | *** join/#bzflag KTL_ (~KTL@scotty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be) |
| 17:56.53 | prot-work | bzgirl: worth a try |
| 17:59.54 | lurgyman | bah |
| 18:00.00 | lurgyman | ~fishslap advogato interface |
| 18:00.01 | | ACTION slaps advogato interface up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 18:00.16 | prot-work | lurgyman: it does suck quite a bit, doesn't it? :) |
| 18:01.03 | lurgyman | yessir it does |
| 18:02.00 | prot-work | hrm, still no ranking for me :( |
| 18:03.44 | lurgyman | :) |
| 18:06.23 | prot-work | wow osx is confused |
| 18:06.29 | prot-work | two windows are drawn focused |
| 18:06.55 | *** join/#bzflag Quol_AtWork (~ianf@65.39.216.149) |
| 18:07.14 | bzgirl | hello Quol |
| 18:08.46 | Quol_AtWork | hey bzgirl - how are ya? - you go to the big show on wendenesday? |
| 18:14.53 | bzgirl | Quol_AtWork: nope, watched some on tv though |
| 18:16.10 | JBDiGriz | hi quol, how was the office cot? |
| 18:19.00 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.172.230) |
| 18:23.31 | JBDiGriz | Off Topic question for the group. Why are certain members here knocking on various doors of my machine? |
| 18:24.37 | bzgirl | how do i tell who is knocking on my door? |
| 18:24.56 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: huh? |
| 18:25.03 | JBDiGriz | /var/log/messages will give you the IP addresses, and then you can do some backtracking from there. |
| 18:25.54 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: Remember I asked about the freenode accesses the other day? Those were just a couple of the log entries I was investigating. |
| 18:26.28 | JBDiGriz | There are also a couple of pokes at anonymous ftp and other ports. |
| 18:29.42 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 18:29.56 | Chikorita | iz sum1 harrassing u Jaybee? |
| 18:30.07 | Chikorita | on irc? |
| 18:30.27 | JBDiGriz | I was noticing some odd accesses to my machine the other day, so I started investigating. |
| 18:30.38 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 18:30.45 | Chikorita | u mean sum1 tried 2 hack u? |
| 18:31.02 | JBDiGriz | I noticed that freenode does a poke for http proxys, which makes sense. |
| 18:32.24 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 18:32.29 | JBDiGriz | I doubt they're trying to hack me or anyone else on this group. It's the equivalent of going to everyone's houses and turning the doorknob to see if it's locked. |
| 18:33.55 | Quol_AtWork | JBDiGriz: the office cot was actually a combination between the floor and a coutch |
| 18:34.39 | JBDiGriz | Quol_AtWork: I hope your back is ok! Try to get home for a while this weekend! |
| 18:35.28 | Quol_AtWork | JBDiGriz: that's the plan :) the crisis is at the end, and now it's just the post-mortem going on :) |
| 18:35.48 | Quol_AtWork | I would like to actually see my wife and kids also - haven't seen them since sunday :) |
| 18:36.12 | JBDiGriz | I'm sure they're looking forward to seeing you as well! |
| 18:36.49 | [dmp] | david_v: success: http://daisy.baat.dk/toosmall.png :-) |
| 18:37.39 | david_v | somebody trying to talk to me? i can't see, somebody mumbled something about decreasing font sizes |
| 18:37.58 | Chikorita | hi david |
| 18:38.13 | david_v | hm, that length of the nick... must be Chiko :) |
| 18:38.30 | david_v | well how're you doing folks? |
| 18:38.41 | JBDiGriz | david_v: Quol_AtWork's nick is longer! ;-) |
| 18:38.42 | Chikorita | im good , u? |
| 18:38.59 | [dmp] | better before you arrived you bastard with huge font :-) |
| 18:39.21 | Chikorita | no fiberchunksAtWork iz da longest nick LoL |
| 18:39.34 | Chikorita | ni dunt even c half of it on mah screen |
| 18:41.05 | david_v | fine, Chiko, fine |
| 18:41.17 | david_v | [dmp]: hehe ;) |
| 18:42.01 | Chikorita | Jaybee should karoke dat song next time a stranger knocks on hiz irc door ;) |
| 18:42.07 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 18:42.28 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 18:42.32 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 18:42.40 | JBDiGriz | Maybe I should stream it to the next person who tries to poke at anonymous ftp? |
| 18:42.51 | Chikorita | lol ya |
| 18:42.55 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 18:43.00 | JBDiGriz | Who is chixor? |
| 18:43.07 | Chikorita | sum1 mocking mee ? |
| 18:43.08 | Chikorita | wahh |
| 18:43.18 | Chikorita | it was there earlier on too |
| 18:43.22 | Chikorita | :( |
| 18:43.36 | Chikorita | grr i go c |
| 18:43.39 | JBDiGriz | At least they have a positive score! |
| 18:45.49 | david_v | 2-1? :D |
| 18:45.58 | david_v | ~d |
| 18:46.08 | david_v | so much for positive score ;) |
| 18:51.52 | JBDiGriz | ~d |
| 18:52.23 | JBDiGriz | Chica is probably distracting them with comments now! ;-) |
| 18:55.44 | Quol_AtWork | lol JBDiGriz |
| 18:56.56 | david_v | :) |
| 19:05.10 | prot-work | wheebie |
| 19:06.15 | [dmp] | dont ask why :) |
| 19:06.29 | david_v | why should i? i can guess :D |
| 19:06.54 | [dmp] | Look on the bright side, you cna join again in 3 months :) |
| 19:07.08 | david_v | hmmmmm ;) |
| 19:07.25 | bzgirl | thanks for the kick dmp |
| 19:08.08 | Chestal | prot: uh? you know lars? |
| 19:08.09 | Quol_AtWork | [dmp]: I thought it defaults to whatever command you used last... |
| 19:08.19 | bzgirl | Quol_AtWork: nope |
| 19:08.34 | bzgirl | if your in the admin group, it defaults to kick |
| 19:08.39 | Quol_AtWork | really - because mine always goes to lagstats...? |
| 19:08.43 | bzgirl | after you log on |
| 19:08.46 | Quol_AtWork | nahhhh |
| 19:08.49 | Quol_AtWork | maybe |
| 19:08.51 | bzgirl | yaaah |
| 19:08.53 | bzgirl | :) |
| 19:09.08 | bzgirl | i kicked ches like that, and dmp just kicked me |
| 19:09.15 | [dmp] | if it just stayed at lagstats it would be nice |
| 19:10.48 | david_v | [dmp]: if it had been emacs you would probably find a bz-kick script for it easily! :) |
| 19:11.31 | prot-work | hmm |
| 19:11.38 | prot-work | someone rewrote advogato's trust metric in python |
| 19:11.38 | [dmp] | emacs: meta-x-bz-shoot |
| 19:11.43 | prot-work | pybzflag candidate, anyone? ;) |
| 19:11.49 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:13.16 | david_v | i just tried out "fwbuild" today, seems quite nice. a GUI with some abstraction for iptables work |
| 19:14.32 | david_v | what am i doing here though? off to bzflag |
| 19:15.08 | prot-work | heh |
| 19:15.48 | Chestal | hmm, is vcut broken or am I too dumb? it always complains: Unhandled special case: first file too short? |
| 19:18.53 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (~Chikumz33@205.197.172.230) |
| 19:21.07 | JBDiGriz | Chikorita: So who's chixor? |
| 19:21.25 | Quol_AtWork | I was just going to ask also :0 |
| 19:25.09 | bzgirl | that was me :) |
| 19:25.21 | bzgirl | and its cHix0r |
| 19:25.27 | bzgirl | not chixor |
| 19:26.32 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 19:26.36 | Chikorita | haha |
| 19:27.39 | Chikorita | i was tinkin bout makin a new name too taday.. |
| 19:27.48 | Chikorita | jus dis morning.. |
| 19:28.14 | Chikorita | "I Stole a Bible" name |
| 19:28.22 | Chikorita | or "GovtCheezSammich" |
| 19:28.25 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 19:28.26 | JBDiGriz | Excuse me, without tab completion, I take shortcuts! ;-) |
| 19:29.14 | prot-work | Chestal: perhaps the cut point you're giving it is beyond the end of the input? |
| 19:29.24 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: I'm not sure I believe you, last I looked cHix0r's score was negative! ;-) |
| 19:29.45 | Chestal | prot: I tried values liek 0, 5, 50, 100, 1000, 50000, 100000 to no avail |
| 19:29.45 | bzgirl | i wasnt playing well |
| 19:29.50 | Chestal | prot: also different files |
| 19:30.57 | prot-work | hmm |
| 19:31.08 | prot-work | is "Akira" on advogato the akira we know? |
| 19:31.21 | Chestal | is he on any projects? |
| 19:31.43 | prot-work | jayaCard, Pegais, okernel |
| 19:31.51 | prot-work | "Gilles Dumortier" |
| 19:32.08 | Chestal | no, that's someone else |
| 19:32.23 | Chikorita | iznt he on ur team? |
| 19:32.30 | Chestal | yes |
| 19:32.39 | prot-work | k |
| 19:32.46 | prot-work | he certified lurgyman, for some reason |
| 19:33.08 | Chestal | prot: why did you certify lars? |
| 19:33.56 | prot-work | because he's there? |
| 19:34.04 | Chikorita | heh |
| 19:34.14 | prot-work | is that not the lars we know? |
| 19:34.24 | Chestal | it's the Lars I know |
| 19:34.36 | Chestal | not the lars which sometimes is on this channel |
| 19:34.42 | prot-work | ohh |
| 19:35.24 | prot-work | observer is the default, no? |
| 19:35.39 | Chestal | I guess so |
| 19:36.08 | prot-work | seems to be |
| 19:38.06 | prot-work | arg |
| 19:38.19 | prot-work | i hate windowing systems that insist on the focused window being raised |
| 19:41.55 | bryjen | can anybody get a page from http://www.microsoft.com/ ? |
| 19:42.23 | prot-work | bryjen: looks like not |
| 19:42.35 | bryjen | hehe |
| 19:42.47 | Quol_AtWork | i can't from here either |
| 19:42.58 | Chestal | nope |
| 19:43.04 | Chikorita | mee 2 |
| 19:43.07 | Chikorita | o wel |
| 19:43.23 | Chikorita | bill gates iz gonna poop hiz pannies |
| 19:43.26 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 19:44.11 | Quol_AtWork | support.microsoft.com works |
| 19:44.36 | Quol_AtWork | so does msdn.... |
| 19:44.39 | david_v | ms.com is down ? heh |
| 19:45.39 | david_v | maybe they went bankrupt :) |
| 19:45.47 | Quol_AtWork | I think that maybe there will be a job opening at Microsoft in web development tomorrow |
| 19:45.58 | Quol_AtWork | anyone want to apply :) |
| 19:46.00 | david_v | they need it... lol |
| 19:46.17 | david_v | i don't like their site anyway |
| 19:46.40 | david_v | too weird and unstructured imo, plus you end up with errors not too seldom |
| 19:48.13 | Quol_AtWork | and you have to use explorer if you want the site to work right |
| 19:48.49 | david_v | i would think so yes |
| 19:48.54 | Quol_AtWork | they don't care at all about other browers and compatibility... |
| 19:49.00 | Chikorita | :\ |
| 19:49.05 | david_v | the interesting thing is they have stopped developing IE for Mac |
| 19:49.07 | prot-work | of course not |
| 19:49.11 | prot-work | they've got 95% market share |
| 19:49.19 | Chikorita | grr microsoft >_< |
| 19:49.23 | david_v | so i think they will need to care about *some* (tiny) bit of standards |
| 19:49.29 | prot-work | david_v: nope |
| 19:49.45 | prot-work | 99% of their customers use windows |
| 19:49.53 | david_v | prot-work: i'm just saying what they need to do, not what they do :) |
| 19:50.03 | bryjen | david_v: more likely a big pile of cash overcame the strength of the floor and crashed thru onto the web server in the room below and crushed it ;) |
| 19:50.05 | prot-work | they don't need nuthin' |
| 19:50.17 | david_v | guess so, i've actually never understood why they aimed for Macintosh in the first case |
| 19:50.20 | prot-work | it would be nice, but its not necessary for business |
| 19:50.29 | david_v | it's a little market of course, didn't know it was as little as < 1% though |
| 19:50.48 | david_v | bryjen: rotfl :) |
| 19:50.50 | Quol_AtWork | very funny bryjen |
| 19:51.30 | prot-work | david_v: well - in terms of pure business |
| 19:51.30 | Quol_AtWork | they saved Mac and came up with an agreement |
| 19:51.35 | prot-work | IE mac doesn't make them any money |
| 19:51.46 | david_v | no. but Office does |
| 19:52.03 | prot-work | yeah, but its insignificant compared to windows office |
| 19:52.05 | david_v | i think it would be relevant for them to maintain an IE for Mac if those users want support |
| 19:52.08 | bryjen | and IE win32 does? |
| 19:52.15 | Quol_AtWork | they gave them millions and payed half of their deptm in return all Mac's ship with IE and office - crush corel and others, dominate more market share |
| 19:52.23 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:52.42 | bryjen | oooops that's iewin32. 'cause the browser IS the operating system after all. ;) |
| 19:53.08 | david_v | talking about web standards, how do you think the rest of the market will react though? Mac is probably about 5% of the visitors of an average web page, no? |
| 19:53.28 | prot-work | probably average |
| 19:53.38 | Quol_AtWork | it's all about dominating the market share - if you dominate, then you can do whatever you want (almost) and the world will follow - accept for a very few percent.. |
| 19:53.39 | prot-work | but how many mac people do you know that hang out on microsoft.com? |
| 19:53.56 | david_v | prot-work: hehe i'm not talking about ms.com now, i mean any site out there |
| 19:54.17 | Chikorita | dey had 2 save mac othawise dey woulda been accused of bein a monopoly |
| 19:54.31 | prot-work | yeah, but the issue here was that microsoft is using nonstandard stuff that displays wrong |
| 19:54.37 | bryjen | Chikorita: they were anyway |
| 19:54.50 | david_v | Chikorita: they killed Netscape, and they didn't get any punishment... |
| 19:54.53 | Quol_AtWork | that's my point on Market share domination |
| 19:55.03 | david_v | bye bye Netscape |
| 19:55.15 | Quol_AtWork | if your broswer owns 98% of the market - then who says that it displays wrong |
| 19:55.16 | david_v | not sure what speed Mozilla will have now btw |
| 19:55.33 | Chikorita | i kno , buh if mac sank den M$ woulda had no otha real competition aN DA GOVT WOULDA forced dem to split up M$ |
| 19:55.34 | Quol_AtWork | Microsoft jsut says that all other's are the ones that aren't displaying correctly |
| 19:55.48 | david_v | lol |
| 19:55.51 | Chikorita | oops i hit caps lock by accident sowee |
| 19:55.54 | bryjen | Quol_AtWork: W3C ? |
| 19:56.10 | david_v | i'm a pro-W3C |
| 19:56.16 | Quol_AtWork | bryjen: I don't think they care about W3C... |
| 19:56.28 | david_v | seems like quite a number of sites start to use it nowadays, too |
| 19:56.42 | Quol_AtWork | bryjen: eventually the "Microsoft standard" will become the next update to the W3C... |
| 19:56.43 | Chestal | for M$ it's easier with some new (W3C) standards because they basically defined them themselves |
| 19:56.53 | david_v | heh |
| 19:56.54 | Quol_AtWork | just like JScript did over javascript |
| 19:56.57 | bryjen | Quol_AtWork: of course /they/ don't. but thats the standards body that says whats right or wrong |
| 19:56.58 | Chestal | like the web service stuff for example |
| 19:57.30 | Quol_AtWork | well - W3C are just "recomendations" |
| 19:57.44 | Chikorita | dey bundled IE wif windows for free dats how dey help kill netscape yes? |
| 19:57.52 | Quol_AtWork | and Microsoft is actulally starting to become more standards compliant... |
| 19:57.55 | Quol_AtWork | funny enough :) |
| 19:57.57 | Chestal | Netscape sucked anyway |
| 19:58.00 | Chestal | (so does IE) |
| 19:58.04 | david_v | Opera :) |
| 19:58.10 | Chestal | bah |
| 19:58.10 | Chikorita | i liked netscape , back in da day |
| 19:58.14 | david_v | Chestal: why not? |
| 19:58.24 | david_v | and what browser do you use then? |
| 19:58.28 | david_v | lynx? :) |
| 19:58.30 | Chikorita | i liked dat spinny world thingie an da comets wif netscape |
| 19:58.31 | Chestal | david_v: doesnt appeal to me, but then it's been over a year since I last tried |
| 19:58.46 | david_v | Chestal: i just don't see why, anything in particular that's wrong? |
| 19:58.48 | Chestal | david_d: galeon most of the time, it sucks, too, but it sucks less |
| 19:58.49 | Chikorita | all u get wif windows IE iz dat dum E or da wavy flag |
| 19:59.07 | bryjen | Chikorita: netscapes browser was free too. they made money on servers i believe. |
| 19:59.12 | Chestal | david_vI didn't liek the interface |
| 19:59.26 | david_v | Chestal: heh... i use Konqueror, only because i have multimedia issues with other browsers. but sometimes i need to use Opera as a complement... Konqueror is buggy too |
| 19:59.35 | Chikorita | yes buh netscape wasnt bundled wif any OS |
| 19:59.49 | david_v | Chestal: hm, that's interesting. i think it was quite polished enough. and the browser is fast and clean at the same time |
| 19:59.52 | Chikorita | u had 2 d/l it yes? |
| 19:59.53 | david_v | and functional :) |
| 19:59.55 | patlabor221 | I have been having good luck with Mozilla Firebird |
| 19:59.56 | Chestal | what strikes me most is that IE out of the box really is not usable nowadays |
| 20:00.01 | david_v | oh BTW, talking about IE... |
| 20:00.07 | Chestal | I mean who can live without easy way to block popups, ad images etc.? |
| 20:00.09 | david_v | Longhorn and above will have it bundled i guess |
| 20:00.13 | Chestal | and no tabbe dbrowing, either |
| 20:00.29 | david_v | Chestal: yes that sucks... |
| 20:00.39 | david_v | tried to find some good programs for blocking... free ones... |
| 20:00.43 | patlabor221 | chestal, the averatege home user dosn't use those features |
| 20:00.45 | david_v | bleh |
| 20:00.57 | david_v | patlabor221: blocking popups is a must, i think |
| 20:01.11 | patlabor221 | remember a goodly number of people still use AOL |
| 20:01.19 | Chikorita | :x |
| 20:01.31 | patlabor221 | a popup blocker may be beyond them |
| 20:01.32 | Quol_AtWork | AOL = IE anyways :) |
| 20:01.39 | david_v | now yes |
| 20:01.46 | david_v | how long will AOL be around though? |
| 20:01.59 | Chikorita | dey jus came out wif AOL 9.0 |
| 20:01.59 | prot-work | a long time |
| 20:02.01 | Chestal | and IE woudl never remember the window size I wanted to have |
| 20:02.03 | bryjen | and its nice the /browser/ lets you turn 'em off instead of having to use some cheesey 4th party utilits |
| 20:02.36 | Chikorita | yea |
| 20:03.03 | david_v | right, i can do that in Konqueror and still get popups when i need |
| 20:03.10 | bryjen | utiliwhattheheckdidisay |
| 20:03.18 | david_v | only some special stupid JavaScripts won't work |
| 20:04.01 | Chikorita | *yawn* |
| 20:04.04 | Chikorita | naptime |
| 20:04.09 | david_v | heh |
| 20:04.11 | Chikorita | bbl |
| 20:04.14 | david_v | cya |
| 20:04.15 | Chikorita | byez |
| 20:04.42 | david_v | Chestal: what distro are you using btw? |
| 20:04.56 | Chestal | david_v: Debian |
| 20:04.58 | david_v | ah |
| 20:05.08 | david_v | bryjen: too late. come back in a year when we've calmed down :) |
| 20:05.18 | patlabor221 | IE seems to have a problem rendering tables with image backgrounds. |
| 20:05.34 | david_v | hm, i don't think i've ever tried such pages |
| 20:05.56 | patlabor221 | my personal page uses them and it runs rather slow in ie, but fine in firebird |
| 20:06.05 | prot-work | pages like that should be banned |
| 20:06.18 | patlabor221 | the images are 1x4 pix cap |
| 20:06.21 | patlabor221 | not large |
| 20:06.27 | patlabor221 | they just repeat |
| 20:06.38 | prot-work | patlabor221: still |
| 20:06.38 | david_v | heh |
| 20:06.43 | prot-work | were you using it to format tabular data? |
| 20:06.49 | prot-work | or for layout? |
| 20:07.03 | david_v | or for style... |
| 20:07.22 | patlabor221 | it's layout, but it is in a tabluar style |
| 20:07.50 | patlabor221 | div tags would not do what I wanted. |
| 20:08.01 | patlabor221 | http://jeffm.bakadigital.com/ |
| 20:08.41 | patlabor221 | I didn't want to make tons of images tho |
| 20:08.53 | patlabor221 | so I tried to repeat as much as I could for low load times. |
| 20:09.35 | prot-work | divx would do that |
| 20:09.38 | prot-work | err |
| 20:09.39 | prot-work | divs |
| 20:09.51 | patlabor221 | I could not get them to work like I wanted |
| 20:09.55 | patlabor221 | tables make more sense |
| 20:10.12 | patlabor221 | least to me |
| 20:11.28 | prot-work | hmm |
| 20:11.34 | prot-work | i have an idea for a game for you to make! |
| 20:11.40 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 20:12.11 | bryjen | patlabor221: is today Fri, Aug 1 0 ? |
| 20:12.37 | david_v | interesting question |
| 20:12.40 | patlabor221 | that's what my calander says |
| 20:12.49 | bzgirl | patlabor221: howd you get a normal readable date? mine is like a big long one |
| 20:13.19 | patlabor221 | I think I have the older script, the one with the date bug |
| 20:13.26 | bryjen | is there a decimal point missing there? |
| 20:13.30 | prot-work | patlabor221: screamers! |
| 20:13.35 | patlabor221 | don't know why the 0 is there. |
| 20:13.44 | patlabor221 | cap, I'm working on the net code for that now |
| 20:13.57 | patlabor221 | total rewrite using enet |
| 20:14.13 | prot-work | nifty |
| 20:14.24 | patlabor221 | and self packing data chunk classes :) |
| 20:14.30 | david_v | well, i'll go and do some madness on ET... bbl :) |
| 20:15.13 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 20:17.00 | bryjen | Mmmm, chunky. peanutbutter |
| 20:17.03 | patlabor221 | hmm I was running the date thru a sed command from one of the plugins the nanobloger guy sent me, I think that's what was making the short date. |
| 20:17.59 | prot-work | patlabor221: what command? |
| 20:19.42 | bryjen | I wonder if your stray 0 was the first char of the time |
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| 20:55.45 | patlabor221 | it was doing, `echo $NB_EntryDate |cut -c0-11 |sed -e 's/ /, /'` |
| 20:55.52 | patlabor221 | I think it is the first char of the time. |
| 20:59.14 | bryjen | yeah. today is a one-digit date |
| 21:02.05 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 21:03.05 | bryjen | cut -c0-11 gets the first 11 chars, which worked when the day # was two digits |
| 21:03.21 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 21:03.34 | patlabor221 | I'm guessing there is no clean way to do it with a variable date |
| 21:04.34 | bryjen | meebee cut -d" " -f1-3 = the first three fields, using space as delimiter |
| 21:06.19 | patlabor221 | yeah that worked, thanks :) |
| 21:06.30 | bryjen | ya velcome |
| 21:12.55 | prot-work | bah bah bah bah |
| 21:13.01 | prot-work | stupid freaking java rollovers |
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| 21:35.30 | bryjen | is there a sheep in here? |
| 21:35.35 | prot-work | sheep? |
| 21:35.49 | bryjen | bah ~ baa |
| 21:44.48 | bzdoug | what was it? |
| 21:45.26 | JBDiGriz | The sun is shining, the beer is good, and who cares about the sandwiches? :-) |
| 21:45.38 | prot-work | heh |
| 21:45.39 | bzdoug | ah |
| 21:45.45 | bzdoug | that sort of fine lunch :) |
| 21:45.51 | prot-work | so i think this internet thing is really going to catch on |
| 21:46.00 | bzdoug | really? |
| 21:46.02 | prot-work | you can do useful stuff with it! |
| 21:46.18 | bryjen | no you can't! |
| 21:46.20 | JBDiGriz | Maybe I should invest in a startup company that does internet? |
| 21:46.29 | bzdoug | I heard about how people are actully doing work over it! |
| 21:46.47 | JBDiGriz | I heard it's mostly used for pr0n. |
| 21:46.50 | prot-work | for instance, i just ordered electricity for my apt starting in a couple weeks, and i didn't have to deal with a stupid telephone person |
| 21:47.13 | bzdoug | lol |
| 21:47.14 | bryjen | you have no electricity now ?!? |
| 21:47.20 | JBDiGriz | Will they deliver the electricity over the internet? |
| 21:47.27 | prot-work | bryjen: i haven't moved in yet |
| 21:47.31 | bzdoug | JBDiGriz: yea, Power Over IP :) |
| 21:47.42 | JBDiGriz | cool, POIP |
| 21:47.46 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: power-over-ethernet-internet ? |
| 21:47.49 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: yep. using the MPLampS protocol |
| 21:47.52 | patlabor221 | cap, you can scan find a place? |
| 21:47.55 | bzdoug | but really, they have power over ethernet, cisco uses it for there VoIP phones |
| 21:48.04 | prot-work | patlabor221: huh? |
| 21:48.16 | bzdoug | brb |
| 21:48.18 | patlabor221 | wen't you and scanline geting a place? |
| 21:48.20 | prot-work | yeah |
| 21:48.23 | JBDiGriz | Actually, I thought it was going to be power over online protocol. |
| 21:48.25 | patlabor221 | and big ol internet? |
| 21:48.28 | prot-work | that would be the place |
| 21:48.40 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: hang on, lemme find the rfc |
| 21:48.43 | patlabor221 | what kinda connect you gonna have |
| 21:49.00 | prot-work | load-ballancing over two dsl |
| 21:49.00 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I don't want to know where you're checking! ;-# |
| 21:49.07 | patlabor221 | coo |
| 21:49.22 | bryjen | are power over ip packets all 1's ? ;) |
| 21:49.40 | bryjen | ooooh or 101010... for A/C ? |
| 21:49.41 | JBDiGriz | Depends if it's AC or DC |
| 21:49.42 | bzgirl | JBDiGriz: so is learner drunk now? |
| 21:50.06 | JBDiGriz | We kept him to one beer, but it was a good one! |
| 21:50.12 | prot-work | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3251.txt |
| 21:50.18 | JBDiGriz | So he's as sober as I am. |
| 21:50.30 | bryjen | captain_proton: Har! |
| 21:50.48 | JBDiGriz | I could have guessed the date of that RFC. |
| 21:51.05 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: heh |
| 21:51.23 | prot-work | mostly its a clever jab at the ietf for creating their stupid sub-ip wg |
| 21:51.49 | JBDiGriz | There are several RFC's like that, and they all have the same date, although different years. |
| 21:52.02 | prot-work | uhhuh |
| 21:52.19 | prot-work | mostly because it was actually implemented |
| 21:52.23 | bryjen | I've heard of efforts to piggy-back data signals on hi-voltage transmition lines to get internet access to remote areas, but this..... |
| 21:53.20 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I didn't realize anyone really implemented that one. Cool! |
| 21:58.52 | bzdoug | prot-work: how does the load balancing thing work? |
| 21:59.14 | prot-work | bzdoug: with a gateway routing the packets |
| 21:59.27 | bzdoug | ah |
| 22:03.19 | JBDiGriz | How fast are the DSL lines? |
| 22:03.35 | prot-work | 640/256 |
| 22:03.50 | bzdoug | wow, so you have a T1 down, and half a T1 up, sorta |
| 22:03.55 | prot-work | yep |
| 22:03.59 | prot-work | for $60/mo |
| 22:04.04 | bzdoug | wow |
| 22:04.06 | bzdoug | each? |
| 22:04.07 | patlabor221 | not horible |
| 22:04.09 | prot-work | total |
| 22:04.12 | bzdoug | swee |
| 22:04.15 | bzdoug | sweet :) |
| 22:04.28 | patlabor221 | sounds about rate. |
| 22:04.38 | bzdoug | now can you download a single file over both connections, at full speed? |
| 22:04.41 | prot-work | it helps that the ISP is free to us |
| 22:04.41 | JBDiGriz | Is that for as long as you have the line, or an intro rate? |
| 22:04.51 | patlabor221 | ahh tha'ts good |
| 22:05.02 | JBDiGriz | Ahh, that makes sense! |
| 22:05.06 | prot-work | thats for as long as we have it |
| 22:05.09 | prot-work | plus we get a free month |
| 22:05.15 | bzdoug | hah |
| 22:05.30 | [dmp] | somebody is teamkilling with razzberrys name :-| |
| 22:06.58 | JBDiGriz | Darth razz |
| 22:15.05 | prot-work | so its looking like bzfls.py might be a good idea ;) |
| 22:30.14 | prot-work | Chestal: poke |
| 22:30.16 | prot-work | TimRiker: poke |
| 22:44.11 | TimRiker | prot-work: poke |
| 22:46.33 | prot-work | soo |
| 22:46.49 | prot-work | there's a reasonably nice extraction of advogato's trust metric |
| 22:46.50 | prot-work | in python :) |
| 22:48.11 | TimRiker | sweet. |
| 22:48.21 | prot-work | worth pursuing? |
| 22:48.30 | TimRiker | where does it store the data? |
| 22:48.33 | prot-work | the code is a little messy (guy is obviously a C programmer) |
| 22:49.25 | prot-work | the base implementation just uses a dictionary |
| 22:49.45 | prot-work | but it allows you to pass whatever class you want, so long as it implements the interface |
| 22:50.19 | prot-work | so we could write one to use minisql or something, although just pickling things is a nice way to do it |
| 22:59.03 | prot-work | time to go home |
| 23:03.42 | bzdoug | ~seen noodleman |
| 23:03.43 | | noodleman <~chatzilla@bc183148.bendcable.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 7d 17m 32s ago, saying: 'bzdoug_, :-P'. |
| 23:05.17 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-106-107.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 23:15.30 | TimRiker | ~spell infestation |
| 23:15.31 | | 'infestation' may be spelled correctly |
| 23:15.37 | TimRiker | ~dict infestation |
| 23:15.56 | TimRiker | ~thesaurus infestation |
| 23:15.58 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 23:43.30 | bzdoug | new modual? |
| 23:43.45 | bzdoug | ~thesaurus attack |
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