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| 00:31.05 | bzdoug_ | hmm, I am in louisville, evensville is like 2 hours away |
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| 01:29.50 | doughecka | hey TimRiker |
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| 01:37.39 | doughecka | hey patlabor221 |
| 01:37.44 | patlabor221 | lo |
| 01:39.05 | doughecka | hows the rpm workin out? :P |
| 01:44.33 | TimRikerOLS | doughecka: the rpm was great thanx! I didn't get hw 3d working on the machines yet though. |
| 01:46.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:05.23 | bzg | does anyone know if theres a bzfs port for freebsd? |
| 02:08.28 | bzg | looks like 1.7g0 is in there |
| 02:10.36 | TimRikerOLS | bzg: someone needs to update it to g2. the g0 server should work, but g2 is more stable. |
| 02:11.42 | bzg | but i could compile g2 still? |
| 02:12.07 | TimRikerOLS | yes. the build changed to ./configure but it should work. |
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| 02:47.07 | bryjen | hrm. i think the sunlight is greenish in 1.9 on my home box. colors look ok for "night", but tinted if i roll the sun back up :( |
| 02:47.46 | bryjen | i don't think the machine at work does that. |
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| 02:51.28 | SGI | hello |
| 02:51.46 | bzg | hi |
| 02:52.24 | SGI | sorry for yesterday |
| 02:52.38 | bzg | what? |
| 02:52.39 | SGI | i dont know why I silenced you |
| 02:52.48 | bzg | oh you silenced me yeah :) |
| 02:53.01 | SGI | you forgotten |
| 02:53.02 | bzg | i suspect your not the only one, so np |
| 02:53.19 | SGI | but Im sure I didnt |
| 02:53.45 | SGI | I did the command k and * |
| 02:53.51 | SGI | two times |
| 02:54.15 | SGI | ~seen Quol |
| 02:54.15 | | quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 23h 26m 21s ago, saying: 'I am off to bed - g'night all'. |
| 02:54.32 | SGI | where is Quol |
| 02:54.37 | SGI | vacation |
| 02:55.07 | SGI | ~seen bzbabe |
| 02:55.08 | | SGI: i haven't seen 'bzbabe' |
| 02:55.29 | bzg | ~bzgirl |
| 02:55.29 | | somebody said bzgirl was the coolest around |
| 02:55.29 | SGI | :o) |
| 02:56.07 | fiberchunks | wow -- who said that ;) |
| 02:56.13 | SGI | something wrong with the server |
| 02:56.24 | bzg | har har |
| 02:56.29 | SGI | somebody check the server please |
| 02:56.35 | Patlabor221 | Ibot knows all |
| 02:56.35 | | and don't you forget it |
| 02:56.35 | bryjen | ~fiberchunks |
| 02:56.40 | Patlabor221 | see |
| 02:56.43 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 02:56.44 | bryjen | lol |
| 02:57.12 | SGI | let me try with SGI |
| 02:57.15 | fiberchunks | she's cool enough, but a canadian, so that's gotta mean negative points somewhere ;) |
| 02:57.23 | SGI | ~SGI |
| 02:57.33 | SGI | nothing |
| 02:57.42 | SGI | you see Im nothing |
| 02:57.44 | SGI | nada |
| 02:57.52 | SGI | niente |
| 02:57.58 | fiberchunks | me too, sgi, we've not attained super-stardom :\ |
| 02:58.07 | bryjen | or you cannot be described with words ;) |
| 02:58.18 | SGI | let me try again |
| 02:58.24 | fiberchunks | yes, but that's probably a bad thing ;) |
| 02:58.27 | SGI | ~Such a Good Idiot |
| 02:58.29 | bzg | fiberchunks: i'll ignore the Canadian jab....this time. |
| 02:58.34 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 02:58.41 | SGI | I love canada |
| 02:58.54 | SGI | one point for SGI |
| 02:59.00 | bzg | :) |
| 02:59.07 | SGI | lucky |
| 02:59.09 | fiberchunks | for a week |
| 02:59.17 | SGI | but stay away from YYZ |
| 02:59.20 | fiberchunks | to a 30k acre ranch in calgary |
| 02:59.26 | Patlabor221 | canada is no hot like it is here, so it's gotta be good |
| 02:59.55 | fiberchunks | that my buddy owns (he'll probably have me dig post holes while I'm out there too :\ |
| 03:00.22 | SGI | or clean the................ |
| 03:00.38 | fiberchunks | so whaz happenin peoples? my laptop is being gentooified right now |
| 03:02.10 | SGI | Korean food tonight for dinner |
| 03:02.17 | fiberchunks | ooo, kim-chi? |
| 03:02.18 | bzg | Thai for me |
| 03:02.19 | SGI | with a good beer |
| 03:02.30 | bzg | no beer here though |
| 03:02.33 | SGI | I love kim-chi |
| 03:02.42 | fiberchunks | ditto -- the hotter the better |
| 03:02.57 | SGI | really spicy one |
| 03:02.57 | bryjen | the only good beer is a dea.... no, wait, that's not right |
| 03:03.03 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 03:03.16 | SGI | deamon |
| 03:03.22 | SGI | tennents |
| 03:03.27 | SGI | ceres |
| 03:03.50 | SGI | eku28 |
| 03:04.02 | fiberchunks | hey bzgirl, did you actually buy vmware? |
| 03:04.31 | bzg | fiberchunks: no, thinking about it, its alot of $$ |
| 03:04.47 | bryjen | but they're just canadian $ |
| 03:04.58 | SGI | yeah but is double |
| 03:05.08 | bzg | :) |
| 03:05.26 | SGI | they are bad kids |
| 03:05.27 | fiberchunks | yeah, that's why I asked |
| 03:05.38 | SGI | second points for SGI |
| 03:05.42 | fiberchunks | it's all T&P's fault |
| 03:06.19 | bzg | i think if i run bzfs from inside a vmware os, i neednt do the chroot thing? |
| 03:06.48 | SGI | guys Canada have something the americans dont have |
| 03:07.09 | bryjen | Anyone tried user-mode linux? |
| 03:07.11 | fiberchunks | good hockey? |
| 03:07.17 | SGI | SARS |
| 03:07.33 | SGI | I lost all my points plus 10 |
| 03:07.38 | bzg | bryjen: Paul has used it i think, said it was really good |
| 03:08.12 | bzg | we have lots you dont SGI |
| 03:08.31 | bzg | and you have SARS cases int he US now sad to say |
| 03:08.34 | fiberchunks | it's weird, wine on my desktop seems br0ken (for bzedit and a couple other apps -- it may be my glibc) bzgirl what version of glibc you got on your system? |
| 03:08.38 | SGI | brain |
| 03:08.46 | SGI | I know I dont have it |
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| 03:09.07 | SGI | really there is a SARS cases in US |
| 03:09.54 | bzg | fiberchunks: libdb1-compat 2.1.3-7 The Berkeley database routines [glibc 2.0/2. |
| 03:10.16 | SGI | how much cost vmware $300 |
| 03:10.36 | Patlabor221 | decent beer? |
| 03:10.46 | fiberchunks | if win4lin ran XP, I might think about that -- but no $300 for me :\ |
| 03:11.14 | SGI | student version?? |
| 03:12.04 | SGI | btw ....bzg she is mad with me now....IM negative 50 |
| 03:12.11 | fiberchunks | tsk tsk |
| 03:12.26 | Michaelh | Someone at my store said that microsoft randomly calls people with academic versions, of like XP pro.. think this is true? |
| 03:12.48 | bryjen | how would they know? |
| 03:13.02 | fiberchunks | knowing their propensity for FUD, it probably is, either that, or they send the jackboot BSA nazis in to storm student housing |
| 03:13.23 | SGI | probably guessing |
| 03:13.50 | SGI | just sending |
| 03:13.50 | Michaelh | I would suppose it's if people register :) |
| 03:14.01 | SGI | yeah |
| 03:14.07 | bryjen | erg. M$ probly collectes your # during forced registration. n/m |
| 03:14.22 | Michaelh | like duh.... should I register ...... |
| 03:14.43 | SGI | must |
| 03:14.53 | Michaelh | for the xp stuff right? |
| 03:14.57 | bryjen | so the question is do the academic versions force registration |
| 03:15.09 | SGI | dunno' |
| 03:15.10 | fiberchunks | I'm sure they do |
| 03:15.10 | Michaelh | oh well.. it's not something I know |
| 03:15.18 | Michaelh | mine didn |
| 03:15.20 | Michaelh | t :) |
| 03:15.34 | Michaelh | that was VS .net ... |
| 03:15.36 | fiberchunks | have you tried to do any security updates or the like? |
| 03:15.43 | Michaelh | yep |
| 03:15.48 | fiberchunks | nifty |
| 03:16.00 | Michaelh | I imagine that could ping me perhaps in response ...... |
| 03:16.04 | Michaelh | :) |
| 03:16.15 | Michaelh | hmmm is that an academic ping .. I THINK NOT! |
| 03:16.44 | Michaelh | I see we have lots of stains in pythbzflag |
| 03:16.54 | fiberchunks | just set up a linux box as a router that blocks all non-established connections and drops them |
| 03:16.55 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 03:17.15 | SGI | I screw up with the w2k one times |
| 03:18.04 | fiberchunks | bzg> is that idesk on your desktop? |
| 03:18.15 | bzg | yup |
| 03:18.19 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 03:18.30 | SGI | now there is no avaible update for my pc |
| 03:18.32 | fiberchunks | whaddya use for an FM? rox? |
| 03:18.33 | Michaelh | Is there some running client or what is running in pythbzflag..... |
| 03:18.36 | bzg | cool like the Fonz |
| 03:18.55 | fiberchunks | Michaelh> try ./observer.py -sbrlcad.org:4243 -u3D |
| 03:19.03 | fiberchunks | that'll give you a 1.9 client |
| 03:19.14 | Michaelh | so it's an observer thingee |
| 03:19.29 | Michaelh | for right now |
| 03:20.02 | fiberchunks | no, you can do worldgrabber, worldviewer, etc on it |
| 03:23.01 | SGI | Patlabor with Lightwave which kind of extesion you can write |
| 03:23.36 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 03:23.51 | Patlabor221 | lightwave does dxf 3ds, obj and lwo |
| 03:23.57 | Patlabor221 | but I can convert to almost anything |
| 03:24.02 | SGI | no IGES |
| 03:24.34 | bryjen | how many successes ? :) |
| 03:24.48 | Michaelh | a/lighted_girder.blend is big enough.................... |
| 03:24.53 | fiberchunks | bzgirl, what's the upgrade voodoo for 2.1? any special voodoo I need to know about? |
| 03:25.00 | SGI | 5+3+2=10=1=0 |
| 03:25.12 | Patlabor221 | I could get it into iges if you realy wanted |
| 03:25.15 | Patlabor221 | but I would have to go to work |
| 03:25.20 | Patlabor221 | it would be a crapy iges |
| 03:25.24 | Patlabor221 | no texture |
| 03:25.31 | Patlabor221 | lots of little faces |
| 03:25.40 | SGI | just the surfaces |
| 03:25.49 | SGI | i can have the texture |
| 03:25.50 | Patlabor221 | lightwave dosn't do surfaces |
| 03:26.02 | bzg | fiberchunks: for what? nano? |
| 03:26.02 | SGI | points |
| 03:26.04 | Patlabor221 | what are you gonna import it into? |
| 03:26.12 | fiberchunks | ya |
| 03:26.21 | SGI | autostudio |
| 03:26.25 | SGI | icem |
| 03:26.36 | SGI | alias |
| 03:26.55 | SGI | catia5 |
| 03:26.56 | Patlabor221 | alias will read a obj file |
| 03:27.09 | SGI | i dont remember |
| 03:27.19 | Patlabor221 | I can make it a parasolid or an acis file if you want |
| 03:27.20 | SGI | let me check |
| 03:27.26 | bzg | fiberchunks: what i did was hide the old nb script and copy the new one over, add the plugin dir, and add the "enable plugins" in the blog.conf |
| 03:27.27 | Patlabor221 | ok let me restate |
| 03:27.38 | Patlabor221 | alias WILL read an OBJ file :) |
| 03:27.42 | Patlabor221 | they invented it |
| 03:28.05 | fiberchunks | ah cool |
| 03:28.15 | fiberchunks | did you frag the old nb script when you were done? |
| 03:28.16 | SGI | yeah but ill be back |
| 03:28.59 | SGI | im using 99.9% of the time iges or wire ext |
| 03:29.10 | SGI | i dont remember all ext |
| 03:29.27 | bzg | fiberchunks: yeah, once i tested the new one |
| 03:29.34 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 03:29.47 | fiberchunks | where's the plugins dir supposed to go? |
| 03:30.13 | fiberchunks | you know, the ironic thing is, is there's a mod for blog support for phpbb |
| 03:31.02 | bzg | fiberchunks: cant remeber :) look in my pub_html. think its there |
| 03:31.20 | fiberchunks | yah, it's in ~/nanoblogger |
| 03:34.33 | Michaelh | so does pybzflag render from models? |
| 03:34.37 | SGI | OBJ ........master |
| 03:34.56 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.41 | fiberchunks | you can set your editor to anything for nano though, and do everything offline, then upload all the files |
| 03:35.46 | fiberchunks | i.e. ftp |
| 03:36.06 | Patlabor221 | no I mean if it ain't got a page with a form to fill in, I don't think she's gonna buy it. |
| 03:36.14 | fiberchunks | ah, I dig it |
| 03:36.29 | bryjen | gooey |
| 03:36.46 | SGI | can you turn on or off the tesselation when you save the file"OBJ" |
| 03:37.42 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:37.51 | Patlabor221 | all it is, is the teselation |
| 03:37.51 | Patlabor221 | so no |
| 03:37.57 | Patlabor221 | all game models are is triangles |
| 03:38.00 | Patlabor221 | no surfs |
| 03:38.02 | Patlabor221 | no solids |
| 03:38.05 | Patlabor221 | no curves |
| 03:38.08 | Patlabor221 | nothing fancy |
| 03:38.16 | Patlabor221 | just a butt load of triangles |
| 03:38.36 | SGI | poliygons |
| 03:38.40 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:38.42 | Patlabor221 | triangles |
| 03:38.50 | Patlabor221 | all polygons are broken into triangles |
| 03:39.03 | SGI | its ok |
| 03:39.18 | SGI | i can use the triangle for refence |
| 03:39.39 | SGI | reference |
| 03:39.40 | Patlabor221 | I can convert the triangles into surfaces for you and export an iges |
| 03:39.53 | Patlabor221 | but that seems overkill for a 192 triangle tank model |
| 03:40.09 | Patlabor221 | don't you have a real modeler, and not a cad package |
| 03:40.21 | SGI | in the gareage |
| 03:40.25 | SGI | garage |
| 03:40.41 | SGI | no only cad |
| 03:40.59 | Patlabor221 | cus usualy cad packages don't do textures and stuff |
| 03:41.01 | SGI | CATIA5 icemsurf or alias |
| 03:41.11 | bzg | fiberchunks: still building gentoo? |
| 03:41.12 | Patlabor221 | alias wavefront? |
| 03:41.18 | SGI | yes |
| 03:41.24 | Patlabor221 | that is a real modeler |
| 03:41.30 | Patlabor221 | it will read a triangle obj just fine |
| 03:41.38 | Patlabor221 | with texture cords and everything |
| 03:41.53 | SGI | with autostudio"alias" you can have a nice rendering |
| 03:41.58 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/tank.obj |
| 03:42.01 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 03:42.08 | Patlabor221 | if it's alias it should read an obj |
| 03:42.14 | SGI | and export the immage in TIFF format |
| 03:42.15 | Patlabor221 | it was there format |
| 03:42.17 | SGI | yes |
| 03:42.18 | Patlabor221 | eww |
| 03:42.20 | Patlabor221 | tiff is huge |
| 03:42.28 | Patlabor221 | the only format that is larger then it needs to be. |
| 03:42.37 | fiberchunks | bzg> indeed -- emerging system now |
| 03:42.40 | SGI | i can convert to psd or png ,gif jpeg |
| 03:42.55 | Patlabor221 | linux hates me, I am sure of it |
| 03:43.22 | SGI | talk to him |
| 03:43.31 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.36 | fiberchunks | if it's the umpteen millionth time you've installed, it wouldn't have mattered, at least yer learning |
| 03:43.39 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 03:43.40 | SGI | tell "you are a beautiful os |
| 03:43.57 | fiberchunks | it has been my experience that sometimes redhat and mandrake are quite touchy about things |
| 03:44.13 | bzg | fiberchunks: why cant you search for packages on gentoos site? |
| 03:44.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh it installed just fine |
| 03:44.19 | bzg | by name i mean |
| 03:44.24 | Patlabor221 | won't get bz from CVS |
| 03:44.31 | Patlabor221 | well or it's down |
| 03:44.33 | fiberchunks | bzg> that's a good question, and one I've wondered about myself |
| 03:44.41 | fiberchunks | I suppose I should file a bug report about it |
| 03:44.55 | bzg | yes please |
| 03:45.02 | bzg | its annoying :) |
| 03:45.14 | Michaelh | trying to dual install redhat on a windows machine? |
| 03:45.21 | Michaelh | that messed up my partition table |
| 03:45.25 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 03:45.27 | bzg | is xchat an X app, a gnome app or a GTK app? |
| 03:45.28 | fiberchunks | concur -- but that's what portage is for :) |
| 03:45.32 | fiberchunks | hang on |
| 03:45.32 | Patlabor221 | redhat on it's own machine |
| 03:45.50 | fiberchunks | bzg> look in net-irc on the gentoo website |
| 03:45.52 | Michaelh | doh -- I hope that at least works |
| 03:46.34 | fiberchunks | the current masked/stable is 1.8.11, the current ~ARCH is 2.0.3-r1 |
| 03:46.54 | bzg | whats ~arch? |
| 03:47.05 | bzg | unstable? |
| 03:47.20 | fiberchunks | gentoo specifies architecture 'stability' based on ~x86 x86 or -x86 (i.e. arch) |
| 03:47.22 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 03:47.37 | fiberchunks | - means it don't work for that arch, and no prefix means it's stable |
| 03:48.04 | bzg | fiberchunks: so basically Debian Sid-like? |
| 03:48.16 | fiberchunks | what I really like about gentoo is the ability to very easily install 'brand-new' software (i.e. gnome2, gtk2, xchat2, etc) without much hassle |
| 03:48.49 | fiberchunks | bzg> I am unfamiliar with how debian does things in it's unstable branch -- gentoo has 'very fresh' packages (almost, cvs-like, if you ask me) |
| 03:48.50 | bzg | compiling KDE would be a hassle for me :) |
| 03:49.15 | fiberchunks | indeed -- that's why you should stick with flux -- but you _can_ only grab the baselibs, etc and compile those |
| 03:50.04 | fiberchunks | I've heard, that on a machine like this one (1.8 G athlon XP, 1G ram), that KDE takes an ungodly amount of time to compile (but so does gnome -- that's why I only use the libs) |
| 03:50.51 | fiberchunks | but, in reality, your system uses so little of it's cpu power, that you can renice an emerge, and do anything else while the compile continues on -- you don't have to wait for it |
| 03:51.02 | bzg | fiberchunks: im willing to try other OS's, I have little concern for how software is delivered to me, so long as it works :) But i wonder how much faster ans zippy it all is afterwards compared to a Debian system or RH |
| 03:51.43 | fiberchunks | for example, I usually have a couple of compiles going, play my music, do some blendering, surf the web, use xchat / gaim, ssh to places, etc, etc all at the same time -- never once have I had goofiness with a package (that wasn't due to pilot error) |
| 03:52.31 | fiberchunks | bzg> well, compared to my old mandrake distro, this _seems_ much faster (no empirical data), plus I have the added bonus of being able to configure my system precisely to suit my needs |
| 03:52.44 | fiberchunks | and the apps that reside on it (kernel, user-space, etc) |
| 03:55.33 | bzg | what i dont like about linux is probably its biggest strength, that "configurable/flexibilty" thing..you end up re learning how to install X, how to do this , how to do that, with every distro you try |
| 03:55.33 | fiberchunks | portage is a quite nice management tool, btw |
| 03:56.10 | fiberchunks | bzg> indeed -- one of the hold-ups to 'mainstream' acceptance is the lack of a unified configuration / filesystem layout (but the FHS helps in that regard) |
| 03:56.19 | Patlabor221 | "how do I deslect a face in blender" :) |
| 03:56.55 | fiberchunks | heh, shift click it |
| 03:57.03 | fiberchunks | act, shift+rmb it |
| 03:59.28 | Michaelh | fun interface isnt it |
| 03:59.34 | fiberchunks | indeed :\ |
| 03:59.52 | fiberchunks | I'm just getting the hang of it after 2 weeks of fiddling, stfw, rtfm, etc |
| 04:00.07 | Michaelh | probably want you to pay for a manual..... |
| 04:01.09 | fiberchunks | no, the 2.0 manual is free for download |
| 04:01.53 | fiberchunks | but it is incomplete, and the python API at any rate, changes like wildfire -- the problem is that they are converting everything to GPL/OS, so the code base is in a relative state of flux |
| 04:02.17 | fiberchunks | 2.28 is quite nice though -- colored face select is one thing, a better python API |
| 04:03.09 | fiberchunks | hrm, /me thinks it'd be nice to have a shell variable in main_index.htm that handled the sidebar linkage |
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| 04:10.09 | learner | mornin' pistachi |
| 04:12.27 | captain_pistachi | mornin! |
| 04:15.07 | captain_pistachi | doodeedoo! |
| 04:18.12 | captain_pistachi | scanline go to bed? |
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| 04:21.20 | Michaelh | cool explorer crashes every time I click on the tool bar now |
| 04:21.47 | captain_pistachi | erg! |
| 04:21.54 | captain_pistachi | what album is this song from?! i must know! |
| 04:22.15 | Michaelh | was because of course someone update the bz protocol and my bz crashed several times before I remember.......... |
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| 05:06.45 | SGI | good night |
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| 05:10.59 | Michaelh | there is some bug that crashes bzflag in windows non-debug mode........ |
| 05:11.07 | Michaelh | in g2 + |
| 05:11.25 | Michaelh | seems to happen when I get killed, but relatively infrequently |
| 05:18.28 | MrApathyCream | in 1.9 or pre 1.9 |
| 05:24.01 | MrApathyCream | F I S T |
| 05:24.49 | Michaelh | 1.9 doesn't have enough players to test it :) |
| 05:25.05 | Michaelh | definately 1.7g2 + |
| 05:25.10 | Michaelh | was not there in g1 |
| 05:25.28 | captain_proton | g1 is not a specific version |
| 05:25.31 | captain_proton | does it exist in g2? |
| 05:26.42 | MrApathyCream | never crashes in debug mode? |
| 05:27.00 | Michaelh | doesn't seem to |
| 05:27.09 | Michaelh | definately in g2 |
| 05:27.41 | Michaelh | it way be some funky VC++ compiler issue of course, if it were in unix I think others would notice |
| 05:28.14 | MrApathyCream | im vc, never seen |
| 05:28.16 | captain_proton | you said it occurred when you get shot |
| 05:28.24 | captain_proton | us unix kiddies just avoid getting shot ;-) |
| 05:28.29 | MrApathyCream | accessing a defunct shot perhaps |
| 05:28.43 | MrApathyCream | there was a problem with that awhile ago |
| 05:28.56 | MrApathyCream | --Dr it hurts when i do this. -- Don't do that |
| 05:29.07 | Michaelh | seems to happen a little bit after I get shot -- when it happens |
| 05:29.17 | MrApathyCream | but before you revive? |
| 05:29.36 | Michaelh | yes |
| 05:36.14 | Michaelh | so bum shots -- would that be like null shots? |
| 05:40.05 | MrApathyCream | there was a problem where the client looked up a shot by id, but the shot was already deleted from the shot array |
| 05:45.09 | Michaelh | where in the code was that? |
| 05:47.41 | captain_proton | playing.cxx |
| 05:47.44 | MrApathyCream | plaing |
| 05:47.45 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:47.52 | captain_proton | =) |
| 05:48.35 | Michaelh | arg.. whereabouts in there |
| 05:49.07 | Michaelh | I figured as much since it seems to crash somewhere in playingloop |
| 05:50.55 | MrApathyCream | getShot() maybe? |
| 05:50.59 | MrApathyCream | don't remember |
| 05:51.06 | MrApathyCream | probably actually in Player.cxx |
| 06:07.48 | Michaelh | it is so uncool when even printf doesn't work |
| 06:23.59 | Michaelh | does printf work in windows for the client? |
| 06:25.10 | MrApathyCream | not a console proggy |
| 06:25.32 | Michaelh | so .. in other words .. no ? |
| 06:25.56 | Michaelh | because it is a "window" app |
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| 06:45.07 | Michaelh | hmm perhaps I just needed to clean first :) |
| 06:45.39 | Michaelh | some funky crap can happen otherwise |
| 06:51.35 | MrApathyCream | look behind that dresser, it's pretty messy |
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| 07:25.38 | MrApathyCream | oh, getting somewhere... |
| 07:25.54 | learner | no your not |
| 07:26.06 | learner | :) |
| 07:26.08 | MrApathyCream | ya, still a while to go tho |
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| 07:26.12 | MrApathyCream | *sniff* |
| 07:26.26 | learner | heh, shame on you cap :) |
| 07:26.43 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/beginnings.jpg |
| 07:27.12 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what is that? |
| 07:27.18 | MrApathyCream | server weapons |
| 07:27.53 | learner | what's that spike coming out of the right |
| 07:28.01 | fiberchunks | what is learner packing for? |
| 07:28.20 | MrApathyCream | a laser and a shockwave fired by the world |
| 07:28.25 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:28.32 | MrApathyCream | (on timers) |
| 07:28.38 | learner | ah |
| 07:28.39 | captain_proton | learner: bastard :( |
| 07:28.45 | learner | cap: :) |
| 07:28.46 | TimRikerAway | MrApathyCream: no depth buffer? |
| 07:28.56 | MrApathyCream | mmm, maybe not.. checkin |
| 07:29.07 | MrApathyCream | cappy's BZDB ya know |
| 07:29.20 | fiberchunks | have fun :) |
| 07:29.46 | learner | oh, I will :) |
| 07:30.37 | MrApathyCream | depth buffer=on |
| 07:30.40 | captain_proton | wheeee |
| 07:30.58 | learner | ha |
| 07:31.19 | captain_proton | you're looking at over a jiggabyte of memory with six parallel processors.... |
| 07:31.20 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:35.35 | TimRikerAway | MrApathyCream: blending? |
| 07:37.36 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/MACs_Options.jpg :) |
| 07:39.15 | MrApathyCream | anyone remember, can you erase an container element using the iterator, and have the iterator still be valid? |
| 07:39.37 | MrApathyCream | or do you need to save off the ++ |
| 07:40.06 | captain_proton | the iterator will never be valid after you erase the element it points to |
| 07:40.38 | MrApathyCream | k |
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| 07:40.47 | captain_proton | yay for macgyver |
| 07:41.45 | MrApathyCream | sweet that was it |
| 07:42.35 | MrApathyCream | weapon |
| 07:42.35 | MrApathyCream | position 10 0 2 |
| 07:42.35 | MrApathyCream | size 1 1 1 |
| 07:42.35 | MrApathyCream | rotation 0 |
| 07:42.36 | MrApathyCream | type SW |
| 07:42.38 | MrApathyCream | initdelay 5 |
| 07:42.40 | MrApathyCream | delay 5 10 |
| 07:42.42 | MrApathyCream | end |
| 07:44.33 | captain_proton | neato |
| 07:51.25 | captain_proton | what a quality episode this is =) |
| 07:53.09 | MrApathyCream | aren't they all |
| 07:53.51 | captain_proton | =) |
| 08:00.23 | MrApathyCream | now thats a shot... when you get hit by a server shot, your client shutsdown :) |
| 08:01.41 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:03.29 | MrApathyCream | bah, 4am... guess i'll have to finish tomorrow |
| 08:03.35 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 08:09.28 | learner | mac is east coast?? |
| 08:13.49 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 08:14.00 | learner | you know where? |
| 08:15.05 | captain_proton | no |
| 08:15.26 | captain_proton | wow |
| 08:15.38 | captain_proton | i think i just implemented anaglyph in bzflag proper with only about 50 lines of code |
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| 08:33.46 | [dmp] | hiya learner :) |
| 08:38.36 | [dmp] | I wonder what happend to HoW. :-| |
| 08:39.04 | learner | cya everyone live from san diego ;) cheers! |
| 08:39.24 | fiberchunks | skol |
| 08:39.32 | [dmp] | cu |
| 08:50.09 | captain_proton | someone should try bzflag -view anaglyph ;) |
| 08:51.07 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 08:51.29 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): anaglyph for everyone! |
| 08:51.35 | captain_proton | there it is |
| 08:51.41 | fiberchunks | so, what's the story with 1.9? is a release in the works? |
| 08:53.00 | captain_proton | not that i've heard of |
| 08:53.05 | fiberchunks | and oh, by the way, if my notes are useless, please delete them |
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| 09:06.37 | captain_proton | naptime |
| 09:07.12 | fiberchunks | gnite |
| 09:12.21 | fiberchunks | ~dict luddit |
| 09:12.28 | fiberchunks | ~dict luddite |
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| 10:48.10 | scanline | boing |
| 12:53.17 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix video recorder bug- it would produce incorrect files when the JPEG encoder required more than one write() per frame |
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| 13:19.42 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Tweak the default lighting a bit |
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| 13:27.00 | david_v | hey |
| 13:27.21 | [dmp] | howdy |
| 13:27.49 | [dmp] | ~ducati |
| 13:28.50 | scanline | boing! |
| 13:29.02 | david_v | *world falls apart* |
| 13:31.13 | doughecka | hey |
| 13:35.03 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (movieconverter.py): Add support for multiple input files, making it easy to run "./movieconverter.py *.bzm" after a big recording session |
| 13:35.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (movieconverter.py): whitespace cleanup |
| 13:40.18 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/animations/ |
| 13:51.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Remove video recorder from TODO |
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| 14:23.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (3 files in 2 dirs): Move RenderState from ThreeDRender to GLDrawable, fixing rstate-related problems with RadarView |
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| 16:16.41 | terryc | Can anyone help me with GIMP? |
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| 16:24.12 | terryc | Patlabor221: Can you help me with GIMP? |
| 16:24.46 | Patlabor221 | I can try, but I don't use it much |
| 16:24.49 | scanline | what do you need? |
| 16:24.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah they are better at it |
| 16:25.09 | Patlabor221 | I use those dreaded comercial apps |
| 16:25.10 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 16:25.42 | scanline | indeedy |
| 16:26.37 | terryc | I need to make a portion of a bmp transparent |
| 16:26.56 | scanline | what sort of portion? |
| 16:27.00 | terryc | I'm making a Si Meter skin |
| 16:27.13 | terryc | A large portion |
| 16:27.28 | terryc | Almost the whole image |
| 16:27.37 | terryc | But still, not all of it |
| 16:27.43 | Patlabor221 | the eraser tool dosn't have an opacity seting? |
| 16:27.46 | terryc | And BMP doesn't support layers? |
| 16:27.54 | scanline | brb, phone |
| 16:27.56 | terryc | How do I set it? |
| 16:28.07 | Patlabor221 | well you can't do transperancy in a bit map |
| 16:28.16 | Patlabor221 | png or giff |
| 16:28.21 | terryc | Yes, I will trans it and rename PNG |
| 16:28.50 | Patlabor221 | don't rename it, just save it as a png |
| 16:28.59 | terryc | Yea :-) |
| 16:29.16 | scanline | back |
| 16:29.32 | scanline | terryc: yeah, BMP doesn't do transparency.. you'll want to save it as a png or a tga probably |
| 16:29.36 | Patlabor221 | the eraser tool has opacity |
| 16:29.42 | scanline | terryc: depending on what you're trying to select, there are a couple ways you can go about it |
| 16:30.01 | scanline | you could use the eraser tool, or you could use the select by color tool and erase the selection |
| 16:30.12 | scanline | first you'll want to right click the layer and add an alpha channel |
| 16:30.14 | terryc | But I have to save it as PNG first before trans'ing it? |
| 16:30.30 | scanline | no, just right click the layer and add an alpha channel |
| 16:30.38 | doughecka | scanline: could you tar up all the librarys needed for pybzflag? I had trouble setting some of it up |
| 16:30.46 | scanline | the format it was saved in doesn't have any effect on how you're editing |
| 16:30.51 | scanline | doughecka: no |
| 16:30.54 | terryc | Ok |
| 16:31.34 | Patlabor221 | I usualy copy and paste the image into a new layer, ditch the background, then just erase away |
| 16:31.54 | scanline | well, that works too, but adding the alpha channel is better and easier |
| 16:32.14 | terryc | Ok, I added an alpha channel |
| 16:32.48 | terryc | I need to move quickly cause in a minute I have to saw up some rebar for a basement wall |
| 16:33.59 | Patlabor221 | you shoudl just be able to draw in the alpha, white for where you want it to be solid, black for where you want it clear |
| 16:34.44 | scanline | that works too... |
| 16:34.56 | Patlabor221 | or use a selection |
| 16:34.57 | scanline | or you could add a layer mask and draw in that, then apply it before saving :) |
| 16:35.21 | scanline | the select by color tool is probably easiest, if you're making something continuous into a transparent area |
| 16:36.05 | terryc | Ok, OI just drew it in all black...But it's still visible |
| 16:37.29 | scanline | so you probably want select by color |
| 16:37.35 | scanline | it's the button that looks like a magic wand |
| 16:38.19 | terryc | And just drag it off of the image? |
| 16:38.31 | scanline | no, ctrl-k |
| 16:39.00 | scanline | if you've added an alpha channel, that will transparentify the area you have selected |
| 16:39.10 | scanline | (same thing as edit->clear) |
| 16:39.11 | terryc | Ok |
| 16:39.17 | terryc | Ok, thanks |
| 16:40.32 | scanline | np |
| 16:43.54 | terryc | ?? |
| 16:44.08 | terryc | Si Meter won't show it as being transparent |
| 16:44.13 | terryc | It's just black :-/ |
| 16:44.27 | scanline | what's Si Meter? |
| 16:44.55 | Patlabor221 | does it support transperancy? |
| 16:44.57 | terryc | It monitors drive activity and net activity and things like that |
| 16:45.03 | terryc | I think it does |
| 16:45.09 | terryc | www.simeter.com |
| 16:45.31 | Patlabor221 | do you have a skin that has transperancy in it so you can look an see how it does it? |
| 16:45.42 | terryc | No |
| 16:45.52 | terryc | Noone has made a transparent skin yet :-/ |
| 16:46.02 | scanline | it probably uses a color key if it supports transparency at all, since I don't think even windows does transparent windows with alpha yet... |
| 16:46.14 | Patlabor221 | windows can do alpha |
| 16:46.19 | Patlabor221 | but not in every OS |
| 16:46.21 | terryc | Yay |
| 16:46.22 | scanline | right, but shaped windows with alpha |
| 16:46.24 | scanline | ? |
| 16:46.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:46.41 | Patlabor221 | in XP |
| 16:46.45 | scanline | ah, that's good |
| 16:46.46 | scanline | I haven't seen any apps use it |
| 16:46.51 | scanline | ah, that might be why :) |
| 16:46.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah not many do |
| 16:47.02 | Patlabor221 | winamp can |
| 16:47.14 | Patlabor221 | it will smooth out all the edges of the saped windows |
| 16:47.17 | Patlabor221 | looks rather good |
| 16:47.37 | Patlabor221 | terry I would read the skining docs and see if they support transperancy |
| 16:47.41 | terryc | Making Winamp skins confuse me :-) |
| 16:47.47 | terryc | I havren't a clue how to |
| 16:47.48 | Patlabor221 | are you sure they even read png? |
| 16:47.55 | Patlabor221 | you don't know how to read? |
| 16:47.56 | terryc | It should |
| 16:48.03 | Patlabor221 | why should it? |
| 16:48.09 | Patlabor221 | are there other skins with png files? |
| 16:48.37 | Patlabor221 | it's a waste of your time to just guess |
| 16:48.42 | terryc | Everything is read through a .xml page that pretty much does everything for the skinning |
| 16:49.11 | Patlabor221 | ok and what kind of images are refrenced in the XML pages |
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| 16:49.27 | terryc | The origional .BMP file names |
| 16:49.38 | Patlabor221 | are they all bmp? |
| 16:49.43 | terryc | Yes |
| 16:49.45 | Patlabor221 | cus it may only support bmp |
| 16:49.48 | terryc | Except for what I just made |
| 16:49.59 | Patlabor221 | again, are you sure they support png? |
| 16:50.12 | Patlabor221 | I would try a png without transperancy and see if that even shows |
| 16:50.22 | scanline | it's very likely that even if it supports png, it doesn't support alpha |
| 16:50.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:50.33 | scanline | like IE! |
| 16:50.34 | Patlabor221 | it MAY do the color key |
| 16:50.51 | Patlabor221 | they should have a skininig doc |
| 16:50.59 | terryc | Have you ever had someone try to tell you clear is a color? |
| 16:51.13 | Patlabor221 | it can be, it depends on how they store it |
| 16:51.27 | terryc | Is too a color! It's a very very very very light light...light white |
| 16:51.32 | scanline | they might have a color key thingy in the XML file, or they might use color 0 in the palette, if it's palettized |
| 16:51.43 | Patlabor221 | some just use magenta |
| 16:51.50 | scanline | hm, true |
| 16:51.52 | Patlabor221 | terry go read |
| 16:51.52 | scanline | 'programmer pink' |
| 16:51.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:51.58 | terryc | I am |
| 16:52.00 | Patlabor221 | that's what our app does |
| 16:52.20 | scanline | they could also use the background color stored in the png, but not likely if they're using bmp for everything |
| 16:52.22 | Patlabor221 | but then we are "odd" |
| 16:53.21 | Patlabor221 | bahh no source for the metter thing, can't see what they do |
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| 16:53.41 | scanline | Patlabor221: what did you expect for a windows program? |
| 16:53.53 | Patlabor221 | bet there just doing bmp cus they can throw it into a dib |
| 16:54.02 | terryc | IT shows it ALL black |
| 16:54.13 | terryc | The whole layer in the program |
| 16:54.16 | Patlabor221 | well since it looks to be a port of that common linux one, I thought they would have barins |
| 16:54.17 | terryc | (Si Meter) |
| 16:54.22 | scanline | so that probably means it can't load pngs at all |
| 16:54.23 | Patlabor221 | then it dosn't do png man |
| 16:54.31 | terryc | Dang |
| 16:54.38 | scanline | time to invent RGBA .bmp files :) |
| 16:54.52 | Patlabor221 | they have 32 bit bmp |
| 16:54.58 | Patlabor221 | not many read them |
| 16:55.03 | Patlabor221 | PS 7 finaly does |
| 16:55.18 | Patlabor221 | textureMngr will now too :) |
| 16:55.21 | scanline | heh.. but when all you have is a flaky RLE compression, what's the point? |
| 16:55.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:56.03 | Patlabor221 | only time I use bmp now is for resources when i have to |
| 16:56.48 | scanline | you can stick arbitrary data in resources right? |
| 16:57.19 | terryc | IT won't support anything BUT BMP :-( |
| 16:57.27 | terryc | Oh well, future versions might |
| 16:57.52 | Patlabor221 | ask them |
| 16:57.53 | scanline | terryc: that's not surprising. If they only needed BMP for their themes, and they're not using some library that gives them support for many formats, why would they implement png support? |
| 16:58.42 | Patlabor221 | It kinda looks like they did it in mfc |
| 17:01.03 | terryc | Well, I need to get to cutting |
| 17:01.09 | terryc | See yu later |
| 17:02.57 | scanline | hehe |
| 17:03.06 | Patlabor221 | still has some little bugs |
| 17:03.10 | Patlabor221 | but its usable |
| 17:03.14 | scanline | haven't used firebird much |
| 17:03.17 | Patlabor221 | I am talking about on windows |
| 17:03.22 | scanline | I know |
| 17:03.25 | Patlabor221 | I use galleon on redhat |
| 17:03.45 | scanline | I tried firebird, but still like galeon a little better.. hence why I haven't used firebird much |
| 17:03.47 | Patlabor221 | next I need to find the source for firebird so I can build it |
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| 17:04.10 | fiberchunks | do bee doooo |
| 17:04.16 | Patlabor221 | it's buried way down in the mozilla tree |
| 17:04.55 | fiberchunks | kernel compile :) |
| 17:06.46 | fiberchunks | almost done with the initial system install on my lappy, then it's on to X and apps -- whee! |
| 17:06.57 | scanline | gentoo? |
| 17:07.01 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 17:07.06 | scanline | :) |
| 17:07.13 | fiberchunks | finally got time to get it on the lappy -- this box here has it |
| 17:10.45 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> did you tablify entries.htm as well? |
| 17:10.51 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:11.00 | fiberchunks | thought so |
| 17:11.09 | Patlabor221 | everything on the main page |
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| 17:33.37 | TimRikerOLS | captain_proton: nice hacking on the anaglyph! wish I had my glasses with me! |
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| 17:35.43 | SGI | hi |
| 17:35.48 | bzgirl | hi |
| 17:35.48 | SGI | hi |
| 17:36.02 | [dmp] | hi bzgirl |
| 17:36.47 | SGI | ~seen Quol |
| 17:36.53 | | quol <~quolsimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 14h 8m 59s ago, saying: 'I am off to bed - g'night all'. |
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| 17:46.09 | SGI | im back |
| 17:47.23 | scanline | Hi TimRikerOLS, how's the party? |
| 17:50.25 | scanline | hehe |
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| 18:09.43 | SGI | m |
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| 18:22.39 | fiberchunks_ | allo |
| 18:22.49 | fiberchunks_ | live to you from fresh gentoo |
| 18:22.51 | fiberchunks_ | on irssi |
| 18:23.34 | bzgirl | how long did it all take? |
| 18:24.19 | fiberchunks_ | ah, bout a day to get it to this state, but that's with an 8 hour break |
| 18:24.28 | fiberchunks_ | and starting from absolute scratch |
| 18:24.49 | fiberchunks_ | now it's time for X and other visual apps, but first I must find out about a problem |
| 18:24.53 | bzgirl | fiberchunks_ irssi because you didnt compile X? |
| 18:24.57 | fiberchunks_ | indeed |
| 18:24.59 | bzgirl | ahh ok |
| 18:25.23 | Patlabor221 | a day? |
| 18:25.27 | Patlabor221 | lucky bastard |
| 18:25.39 | fiberchunks_ | however, I kinda like it -- it may become my primary -- fast and light -- I just need to figure out how to switch 'windows' in irssi |
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| 18:25.50 | scanline | /win |
| 18:25.55 | fiberchunks_ | Patlabor221: I told you to try it :) |
| 18:25.59 | fiberchunks_ | thx scanline |
| 18:27.42 | bzgirl | fiberchunks alt+1 alt+2 etc etc |
| 18:28.00 | bzgirl | or /window next |
| 18:28.45 | scanline | ah, there's that.. |
| 18:29.27 | bzgirl | :) |
| 18:29.49 | fiberchunks_ | ah, I like the alt voodoo |
| 18:31.48 | fiberchunks_ | whee -- I really like this IRC client |
| 18:34.09 | doughecka | hmm |
| 18:34.17 | doughecka | dirc runs on windows? |
| 18:34.30 | scanline | dunno, probably |
| 18:34.44 | doughecka | cuz the website is down |
| 18:41.17 | doughecka | hmm, would be cool if the teleports had a window type effect to them :) |
| 18:44.04 | scanline | window type effect? |
| 18:44.38 | Patlabor221 | like a glare? |
| 18:44.47 | doughecka | yea, like when you look at it, you can see whats at the teleporter its linked to |
| 18:44.50 | scanline | ah yes... |
| 18:44.52 | scanline | oh |
| 18:45.04 | Patlabor221 | a portal effect you mean |
| 18:45.08 | doughecka | hmm, yea |
| 18:45.16 | Patlabor221 | cus it has a window effect now, you see what's behind it :) |
| 18:45.23 | doughecka | :P |
| 18:45.42 | fiberchunks_ | uh oh, scan's thinkin of nifty features again ;) |
| 18:45.53 | doughecka | hehe |
| 18:46.00 | scanline | hey, I'm busy writing a perlin noise function for the clouds and wind :) |
| 18:46.08 | scanline | already did shiny pyramids using cube maps though |
| 18:46.08 | fiberchunks_ | see |
| 18:46.16 | fiberchunks_ | are they truly shiny now? |
| 18:46.32 | scanline | yes |
| 18:46.46 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/animations/shiny_pyramid.avi |
| 18:46.58 | fiberchunks | nice Patlabor221 |
| 19:01.17 | fiberchunks | scanline> nice :) |
| 19:03.35 | scanline | :) |
| 19:03.50 | fiberchunks | what's the light source? |
| 19:04.04 | scanline | the objects around the pyramid |
| 19:04.14 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 19:04.21 | scanline | it's an environment map generated from the pyramid's point of view |
| 19:04.36 | scanline | though currently there's a bug that causes all the pyramids to use the same environment map :-/ |
| 19:05.13 | fiberchunks | have you gotten a hold of anyone regarding memory leakage? |
| 19:05.44 | scanline | haven't had any response from the pyopengl mailing list.. I'll probably just get around to learning SWIG and writing a bunch of patches to pyopengl to fix the problems I've been finding |
| 19:05.55 | scanline | s/writing/write/ |
| 19:05.57 | fiberchunks | that would be cool as well |
| 19:06.18 | david_v | fiberchunks: alt-<number key> for irssi, congrats on Gentoo :) |
| 19:06.38 | fiberchunks | david_v> it's on this machine (my desktop), just haven't had the time to get it on the lappy, but thanks :) |
| 19:06.45 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:07.15 | david_v | i use Gentoo virtually all the time |
| 19:07.34 | fiberchunks | that's all I use |
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| 19:07.42 | david_v | in fact it's hard for me to boot up Windows. have to go to the psychiatrist, both before AND after using it :) |
| 19:07.51 | fiberchunks | I'm upgrading the hw in another system of mine, and then gentoo'll go on there |
| 19:08.00 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:08.10 | david_v | a top-grade CPU is definitely in place |
| 19:08.15 | david_v | as well as lots of fast mem |
| 19:08.17 | fiberchunks | was a mandrake user, until rpm hell got the better of me -- portage is so much more elegant, imho |
| 19:08.38 | david_v | Mandrake is so... weird to me. plus i always got into bugs in the system |
| 19:08.39 | david_v | even with 9.1 |
| 19:08.44 | fiberchunks | it's an smp box currently, I may diddle with a dual mp setup, not sure yet |
| 19:08.49 | david_v | so i won't try Mandrake again i think :) |
| 19:08.53 | fiberchunks | same here |
| 19:08.56 | david_v | and RedHat is too commercialised |
| 19:09.03 | david_v | not to talk about SuSE |
| 19:09.07 | david_v | Debian is a good alternative |
| 19:09.16 | fiberchunks | i'll shy away from all .rpm based distros, stick with source from now on |
| 19:09.20 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:09.24 | david_v | have you tried Slack, LFS yet? |
| 19:09.40 | fiberchunks | did an lfs a while ago (~2 years), never tried slackware |
| 19:09.47 | david_v | ok. how was lfs? |
| 19:09.51 | david_v | the installation etc |
| 19:09.51 | fiberchunks | painful |
| 19:09.53 | david_v | :) |
| 19:10.13 | david_v | what degree of painfulness would you say |
| 19:10.25 | fiberchunks | imho, but then again, I was an rpm person as well, and didn't feel like fiddling with sources back then |
| 19:10.26 | david_v | like sticking a nail into your body, like ripping your head off, or worse? hehe |
| 19:10.42 | david_v | sources are neat when you have a decent computer |
| 19:10.46 | fiberchunks | david_v> no, like take gentoo, then take away all the niceness of portage -- that kind of pain |
| 19:10.53 | david_v | ahhh |
| 19:11.04 | david_v | yuk :) |
| 19:11.08 | fiberchunks | indeed, but you can also compile on another, better system (if available) and transfer over |
| 19:11.15 | david_v | yep |
| 19:11.26 | david_v | or use distcc |
| 19:11.32 | fiberchunks | xactly |
| 19:11.46 | david_v | i have distcc, but not much use for it when having only one comp... hehe |
| 19:12.01 | david_v | oh i do have two actually but the other is... well, old :) |
| 19:12.12 | fiberchunks | I would like to try BSD one of these days, on a spare box, perhaps the smp board I rip out in a month or so |
| 19:12.13 | david_v | AMD 350 with 128 MB RAM |
| 19:12.25 | fiberchunks | oooo, k6, those are fun |
| 19:12.28 | david_v | i could try distcc just for fun though |
| 19:12.38 | david_v | fun? heh |
| 19:13.22 | david_v | i'm considering trying an LFS and /or Slack install on that 350 MHz setup |
| 19:13.31 | fiberchunks | I'm thinking of taking the smp board, and a single slot intel board I have, removing a processor, and creating 1) a webserver, and 2) a linux router/firewall |
| 19:13.40 | fiberchunks | lfs would be good for that setup, imho |
| 19:13.45 | david_v | yeah |
| 19:13.55 | david_v | don't think i'd actually use it much though :) |
| 19:13.57 | fiberchunks | esp if it's just a toy system (or something you experiment with, that is) |
| 19:14.18 | david_v | almost a toy system. i got DOS installed on it too ... hehe. and i don't want to get that messed up |
| 19:14.33 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): A very slow but working perlin noise function |
| 19:14.43 | david_v | i could try doing some kind of dd trick to backup the important part of the drive and burn it to a CD |
| 19:14.45 | fiberchunks | you know, it's funny, I used to think that I could never get along without X, but the more I fiddle with cli stuff, the happier I become (esp since they're usually much smaller, mem wise) |
| 19:14.58 | david_v | dd is a great tool btw :) |
| 19:15.05 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 19:15.25 | fiberchunks | man screen |
| 19:15.26 | david_v | used it once to recover some files from a damaged floppy disk |
| 19:15.29 | fiberchunks | doh! |
| 19:15.29 | david_v | (not my disk) |
| 19:15.32 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:15.52 | david_v | another guy seems to have used it or a similar tool to recover data from memory. not bad :) |
| 19:16.12 | fiberchunks | yah, it's really amazing how powerful dd is, for such a 'simple' tool :) |
| 19:16.23 | david_v | =) but simple is power |
| 19:16.28 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 19:17.07 | david_v | i wouldn't do without X though, i have games to think about :) |
| 19:17.18 | fiberchunks | mud |
| 19:17.20 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 19:17.22 | david_v | lol |
| 19:17.25 | david_v | i hate that kind of game |
| 19:17.49 | fiberchunks | scanline> you use screen right? |
| 19:17.53 | david_v | have tried it a few times but always get annoyed with trying to keep track of everything |
| 19:18.44 | scanline | fiberchunks: yep |
| 19:19.51 | david_v | not sure what screen really does |
| 19:19.53 | fiberchunks | seems very cool |
| 19:20.20 | david_v | a wm of some sort, it says here... text wm, or what? |
| 19:20.35 | david_v | maybe it's making sense to me now |
| 19:22.24 | fiberchunks | think of it this way, you're in a vc, and you light off a proggie -- to access the cli, you either have to 1) kill the proggie, or 2) send it to the background, halting the process, screen enables you to open multiple progs within a single vc (if I understand correctly), and manages them for you |
| 19:23.35 | david_v | yeah that's what i thought after thinking a little |
| 19:23.57 | david_v | i think i'll install it just to see. sounds useful. might save one second or two for opening a new vc :) |
| 19:24.04 | david_v | (opening and logging in) |
| 19:24.28 | fiberchunks | yes, but what if you fill up all 6 or whatever vcs you have - then it saves oodles of time |
| 19:25.11 | david_v | sometime i might have used six, but that was mainly to do lots of emerges hehe |
| 19:25.28 | david_v | nevertheless it's installing now |
| 19:26.35 | david_v | installed :) |
| 19:32.56 | david_v | works nicely, i already learnt as much as i need to learn |
| 19:33.07 | david_v | ten windows should be enough |
| 19:33.11 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 19:33.14 | david_v | if not... sixty should :D |
| 19:35.28 | fiberchunks_ | and orders a grinder |
| 19:36.03 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:36.43 | david_v | reminds me, i need to fix nVIDIA drivers for the 2.6 test kernel. it seems like there's a working patch out there that i have downloaded |
| 19:37.12 | david_v | supposedly to be placed in Portage at some point |
| 19:38.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Noise.py): Some optimizations in the interpolation code that bring this to a mighty 0.158 FHz |
| 19:38.43 | fiberchunks_ | ah 2.6 -- good idea |
| 19:45.37 | fiberchunks_ | ah, the laptop is being worked now |
| 19:47.09 | david_v | hehe |
| 19:47.24 | david_v | going through the 2.6 settings before (possibly) recompiling 2.6 again |
| 19:47.37 | david_v | then i need to add nVIDIA, sound, and... hmm that's it? wait... |
| 19:47.38 | david_v | :) |
| 19:49.46 | fiberchunks_ | nice thing bout 2.6 is inclusion of alsa and a number of other things |
| 19:49.55 | fiberchunks_ | plus the build looks much cleaner now |
| 19:50.09 | david_v | indeed. i just forgot... thanks for reminding |
| 19:50.13 | david_v | about ALSA |
| 19:53.33 | david_v | heh, just typing "make && make modules_install" |
| 19:53.34 | david_v | quite nice |
| 19:53.55 | fiberchunks_ | does that handle bzImage too? |
| 19:53.59 | david_v | yep |
| 19:54.02 | fiberchunks_ | spiffy |
| 19:54.20 | david_v | there's nothing called "make dep" anymore either |
| 19:54.32 | fiberchunks_ | I assume mrproper is still around? |
| 19:55.24 | david_v | yeah |
| 19:56.33 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Keep everything at single precision |
| 19:57.01 | david_v | typing "make help" gives a nice summary of options |
| 19:57.41 | david_v | make bzdisk - for instance. seems like it will write a bootable floppy right away on the floppy |
| 19:58.40 | fiberchunks_ | nice |
| 19:59.03 | fiberchunks_ | took em long enough to clean it up :) |
| 19:59.48 | david_v | hehe |
| 20:06.27 | david_v | seems like it has completed |
| 20:23.00 | captain_proton | scanline: i had to submit a patch to pygame =) |
| 20:23.22 | scanline | for what? |
| 20:23.30 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): A few more small optimizations |
| 20:23.49 | captain_proton | GL_STEREO =) |
| 20:24.03 | scanline | hehe |
| 20:24.44 | david_v | brb |
| 20:24.58 | scanline | so.. we have perlin noise now |
| 20:25.17 | scanline | it should be plenty good enough for wind speeds, but we won't be able to do realtime cloud movement |
| 20:25.36 | captain_proton | unless... |
| 20:25.43 | scanline | after several optimizations I'm still only getting 4 FHz or so rendering a 96x96 patch of noise with 3 octaves |
| 20:26.11 | scanline | well, we could make a looping cloud animation that plays really slowly |
| 20:26.24 | scanline | it's not hard to modify the perlin noise algorithm to make looping in the X, Y, and time axes |
| 20:27.18 | scanline | in the interest of optimization the perlin noise code turned out really ugly and cryptic :-/ |
| 20:28.24 | scanline | hmm... |
| 20:28.38 | captain_proton | scanline: heh |
| 20:28.47 | scanline | could prerender some looping perlin noise in different forms for the clouds and for the water |
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| 20:48.37 | captain_proton | who made the bunny black? |
| 20:50.43 | MrApathyCream | prolly me w/observer changes oops |
| 20:51.01 | doughecka | bad MrApathyCream |
| 20:51.02 | doughecka | :P |
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| 20:53.05 | david_v | finally i'm back... on 2.6 kernel |
| 20:53.21 | david_v | i think i got nVIDIA to work too, but i need to recompile a module for X |
| 20:53.30 | captain_proton | nvidia works for me on 2.5 |
| 20:53.32 | captain_proton | err |
| 20:53.32 | captain_proton | 2.6 |
| 20:53.58 | david_v | ok. curious, where'd you get the patch from? the site i used sounded extremely unofficial |
| 20:54.08 | david_v | and i didn't find any clear instructions elsewhere |
| 20:54.11 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 20:54.15 | david_v | heh |
| 20:54.16 | captain_proton | gentoo applied the patch for me |
| 20:54.29 | david_v | but not for me. i must be missing something |
| 20:54.55 | captain_proton | you're on gentoo? |
| 20:54.57 | david_v | yes |
| 20:55.24 | david_v | i think i did the mistake to try out some patch that didn't work, and had that stored when trying to emerge nvidia kernel again |
| 20:55.41 | david_v | oh well |
| 20:55.46 | captain_proton | david_v: make sure your currently running kernel tree is at /usr/src/linux |
| 20:55.54 | captain_proton | looks like the ebuild checks that |
| 20:56.10 | david_v | hmm |
| 20:56.32 | david_v | ironic |
| 20:56.40 | david_v | nevertheless it should work now. well, thanks |
| 20:59.40 | david_v | hey do you remember where the xvideo X module is to be found, by any chance? |
| 20:59.56 | david_v | i just downloaded the X sources again and can't find it anywhere |
| 21:08.11 | david_v | hm, maybe i have to recompile X ? can this possibly be true? |
| 21:08.18 | david_v | it exits without error message |
| 21:13.32 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: did you do a full build, i rearranged whee rabbit was from 6 -> 7 (Team.cxx) |
| 21:14.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Perlin noise for wind speed and magnitude, yay |
| 21:15.15 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no |
| 21:15.16 | captain_proton | lemme do that |
| 21:16.23 | Chestal | radarcolor in team.cxx has wrong order |
| 21:16.41 | Chestal | it has white first, then obserevr-black |
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| 21:19.53 | david_v | heh had a little accident with irssi |
| 21:20.49 | david_v | captain_proton: do you know if i have to recompile X to get it to work with 2.6.0-test1 ? i've noticed it works partially though, but for some reason it quits without any error message (not in the log either) |
| 21:20.57 | captain_proton | david_v: worked fine for me |
| 21:22.01 | captain_proton | scanline: forgot to add Noise.py? |
| 21:22.27 | david_v | captain_proton: hmm k thx |
| 21:22.29 | scanline | hm.. I moved it, maybe I didn't re-add it |
| 21:22.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (clothtest.py): Clean up the wind code |
| 21:22.59 | scanline | captain_proton: says I already added it |
| 21:23.06 | scanline | should be in BZFlag now, not UI |
| 21:23.18 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.18 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.18 | captain_proton | ImportError: cannot import name Noise |
| 21:23.23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 21:23.27 | david_v | brb |
| 21:23.31 | scanline | old version of SpringSystem? |
| 21:23.37 | scanline | oh |
| 21:23.42 | scanline | never mind, I did forget to change it |
| 21:23.46 | scanline | it worked for me because of the .pycs |
| 21:23.50 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 21:24.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (SpringSystem.py): Whoops |
| 21:24.46 | scanline | actually, I should have just removed that whole line.. SpringSystem doesn't need Noise any more, that moved into Animated |
| 21:25.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (SpringSystem.py): Oopsie |
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| 21:25.33 | captain_proton | the self-intersecting cloth is cute |
| 21:25.33 | sussi | hi all |
| 21:25.58 | scanline | yeah.. I'm not sure how to go about doing collision detection on the cloth efficiently |
| 21:27.03 | scanline | it also needs to either have collision detection with the ground, or we need to make the flag smaller :) |
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| 21:27.46 | david_v | captain_proton: oh well, i rebooted and now X works. strange |
| 21:28.27 | scanline | hmm.. and perhaps I shouldn't let the wind be any random 3D vector, as it looks awfully weird when the wind is blowing mostly up or down |
| 21:29.41 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/common (Team.cxx): fix order of team colors |
| 21:48.10 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (TestWidget.py): Really put the TestWidget in the overlay pass |
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| 21:53.03 | fiberchunks_ | ah, X is up |
| 21:53.25 | fiberchunks_ | whoot |
| 21:53.35 | scanline | funny coordinate system |
| 21:54.31 | david_v | fiberchunks_: i'm happy that X is up... on 2.6 :) |
| 21:54.45 | fiberchunks_ | heh |
| 21:54.50 | fiberchunks_ | I've gotta restart irssi |
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| 21:55.23 | fiberchunks_ | ah, that's better |
| 21:55.28 | david_v | fiberchunks_: why restart irssi? |
| 21:55.40 | fiberchunks_ | had to change terminal background color :) |
| 21:55.42 | david_v | there is a /reload command :) |
| 21:55.54 | david_v | oh the terminal bg |
| 21:55.54 | fiberchunks_ | ah, jeez -- /me must man irssi and read docs |
| 21:56.03 | david_v | not reall |
| 21:56.04 | david_v | yy |
| 21:56.11 | david_v | oops... well, there's a /help command |
| 21:56.15 | david_v | i think that's all you need |
| 21:56.17 | fiberchunks_ | lol |
| 21:56.38 | david_v | /help help |
| 21:56.40 | david_v | :) |
| 21:56.54 | fiberchunks_ | I wonder if there's a way to name windows, like /window #bzflg |
| 21:57.29 | david_v | /window name :) |
| 21:57.36 | fiberchunks_ | tried, don't work |
| 21:57.39 | david_v | not? hm |
| 21:58.07 | fiberchunks_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:58.21 | fiberchunks_ | how's 2.6 treating ya? |
| 21:58.43 | david_v | hello? is my network still alive? |
| 21:58.46 | david_v | well, ok, it works ;) |
| 21:58.50 | david_v | 2.6 is fine |
| 21:59.04 | david_v | just had an issue with the xvideo module in X, don't know why |
| 21:59.40 | fiberchunks_ | indeed |
| 22:01.27 | fiberchunks_ | any suggestions? |
| 22:02.50 | captain_proton | mh! |
| 22:03.24 | scanline | mutt! |
| 22:03.34 | david_v | never used cli versions of mail clients heh |
| 22:03.39 | david_v | can try sometime though |
| 22:03.42 | scanline | I'm allowed to dislike mh because I've never tried it :) |
| 22:03.43 | david_v | lynx is nice, however |
| 22:03.47 | david_v | hehe |
| 22:03.48 | scanline | geh |
| 22:03.50 | fiberchunks_ | does mutt handle pop3? |
| 22:03.52 | fiberchunks_ | or just imap? |
| 22:04.01 | scanline | lynx is.. bleh... links, elinks, and w3m are all much better |
| 22:04.17 | fiberchunks_ | scanline: by the way, which one of those handles images? |
| 22:04.24 | scanline | fiberchunks_: I'm pretty sure it does pop3 and imap, I've only ever used it with local mail delivery though |
| 22:04.31 | scanline | w3m can do images |
| 22:04.36 | fiberchunks_ | what do you use to retrieve mail? |
| 22:04.36 | captain_proton | w3m does images if its running in an xterm |
| 22:04.43 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 22:04.50 | scanline | fiberchunks_: I don't retrieve mail, I run my own mail server |
| 22:04.55 | scanline | but fetchmail is good for that |
| 22:07.08 | fiberchunks_ | anyone know how to increase the font size in irssi? |
| 22:07.30 | scanline | eh.. you mean increase the font size in the terminal? |
| 22:07.43 | fiberchunks_ | oh right -- duh -- nevermind :) |
| 22:09.23 | sussi | but /help in bzflag isnt helpfull |
| 22:09.39 | david_v | captain_proton: that sounds cool, checking it out now |
| 22:11.43 | captain_proton | sussi: /help is populated by the server operator |
| 22:11.55 | fiberchunks_ | yay! bruce lee movie |
| 22:13.18 | david_v | captain_proton: nice program, w3m. almost too good with animated banners :) |
| 22:13.22 | sussi | and /help help ? |
| 22:13.57 | david_v | /help help is for irssi :) |
| 22:14.15 | david_v | i wasn't talking about anything else |
| 22:14.16 | sussi | not in a terminal |
| 22:14.25 | david_v | what do you mean? |
| 22:15.07 | sussi | do u know a command for /help that makes sense? in bzflag |
| 22:16.05 | fiberchunks_ | why on earth does imlib depend on gtk? |
| 22:16.06 | fiberchunks_ | urgh |
| 22:16.13 | david_v | if you type /help you should get a list of commands, no? |
| 22:16.23 | sussi | nothing |
| 22:16.38 | david_v | fiberchunks_: sounds logical to me |
| 22:16.49 | david_v | do you just dislike gtk or what |
| 22:17.23 | fiberchunks_ | no, just wondering why an image display library would depend on a widgeting toolkit -- I love gtk, actually |
| 22:17.41 | david_v | maybe the guys took the easy way out somehow :) |
| 22:17.46 | captain_proton | sussi: you don't get any output from it? |
| 22:17.54 | sussi | answer is :use help <page> but what page 1 or so? |
| 22:18.07 | captain_proton | if it doesn't list any help pages, then the server operator hasn't put any in |
| 22:18.09 | fiberchunks_ | it's a hard dependency too, can't get rid of it with USE="-gtk" |
| 22:18.26 | david_v | hm |
| 22:18.34 | david_v | isn't there a way around imlib then? |
| 22:18.46 | fiberchunks_ | dunno |
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| 22:19.28 | david_v | hey Chiko |
| 22:19.47 | Chikorita | hi davy |
| 22:20.11 | Chikorita | any1 gonna watch da TLZ vs. TAF match? |
| 22:20.42 | Chikorita | letz go davy |
| 22:20.45 | Chikorita | :) |
| 22:23.53 | Chikorita | <<<gone 2 ducati 59999 |
| 22:26.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Spiffy new Vector drawable, and a wind indicator for clothtest |
| 22:29.14 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Vector.py): Remove debuggative cruft |
| 22:33.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Don't enable line smoothing globally, as it doesn't work well in wireframe mode |
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| 22:36.36 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (SpringSystem.py): Catch exceptions in the spring system integration so we can reset a system that's become numerically unstable and exploded |
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| 23:08.40 | bzgirl | did the meatballs play another match today? |
| 23:09.05 | [dmp] | yep just won over tlz |
| 23:09.22 | bzgirl | free play? |
| 23:09.44 | [dmp] | free, spiff, asdf |
| 23:10.07 | bzgirl | ah a rare 3 on 3 match |
| 23:10.17 | [dmp] | yeah. |
| 23:10.23 | [dmp] | tlz dosnt seem that strong when its 3vs3 |
| 23:10.46 | david_v | but they lost with 9-2 on a 2v2 before on the same server |
| 23:11.05 | david_v | they blame lag though, and supposedly they play (much) better on the quol server |
| 23:11.18 | [dmp] | against who? |
| 23:11.28 | *** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC9EEF7B.ipt.aol.com) |
| 23:11.30 | david_v | TAF of course |
| 23:11.40 | david_v | well, duh |
| 23:11.49 | [dmp] | ah :) |
| 23:11.50 | david_v | re Chiko |
| 23:12.05 | david_v | TAF is #1 now |
| 23:12.06 | Chikorita | re Davy |
| 23:12.09 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 23:12.11 | Chikorita | heh |
| 23:12.17 | david_v | they deserve it |
| 23:12.21 | Chikorita | ya dey played good |
| 23:12.26 | MrApathyCream | tag, chestal |
| 23:12.28 | david_v | but they're rather new. they've had a tight match schedule |
| 23:12.48 | Chikorita | r dey stil gonna play a 2nd match double heada? |
| 23:13.29 | david_v | ? |
| 23:13.31 | Chikorita | dey should , so da lagginess iz reversed dis time |
| 23:13.34 | david_v | match double? |
| 23:13.41 | Chikorita | u kno |
| 23:13.48 | Chikorita | match on Quol server |
| 23:13.53 | david_v | they said they were going to match on quol, they've agreed to that before |
| 23:13.55 | david_v | not today though |
| 23:14.00 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 23:22.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): wind tweaks |
| 23:24.03 | fiberchunks_ | hrm, my win key is unbound now :\ |
| 23:27.11 | MrApathyCream | hmm, I guess i didn't check in Team.cxx... oops... thanks Chestal |
| 23:38.11 | captain_proton | yay for bruce |
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| 23:43.14 | lurgyman | ibot: seen captain_proton |
| 23:43.14 | | lurgyman: i haven't seen 'captain_proton ' |
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| 23:52.52 | fiberchunks_ | much better |
| 23:56.22 | david_v | bye folks |
| 23:56.45 | david_v | ok, i might have overpowered that a bit :) but i don't want to sleep |
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