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| 00:05.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): And now for the third dimension |
| 00:05.52 | scanline | hah |
| 00:05.59 | scanline | captain_proton: this is rather funny |
| 00:06.48 | captain_proton | scanline: haha |
| 00:07.06 | scanline | you see it get all wibbly after you let it sit for a while? |
| 00:07.12 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:07.18 | captain_proton | looks pretty ok until then |
| 00:07.22 | captain_proton | perhaps could be denser |
| 00:07.30 | scanline | try wireframe |
| 00:07.38 | scanline | the mesh is already fairly dense, but the normals aren't very accurate |
| 00:07.47 | captain_proton | ah, indeed |
| 00:07.50 | captain_proton | wireframe looks good |
| 00:08.03 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:08.10 | captain_proton | sometimes it takes forever to get wibbly |
| 00:08.24 | scanline | I think something isn't being simulated quite correctly on that edge of the cloth |
| 00:08.42 | scanline | if I turn off the small force in the Y direction so it falls without ever folding, the right side drops a little lower than the left |
| 00:09.06 | captain_proton | hah |
| 00:09.13 | captain_proton | after getting wibbly it calms down again |
| 00:09.19 | scanline | weird, eh? |
| 00:09.31 | scanline | but in wireframe you can usually still see all the vertices over there vibrating |
| 00:09.37 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:09.43 | scanline | I should probably just implement wind and see how it does after that |
| 00:09.59 | captain_proton | first you should make it somewhat more robust ;) |
| 00:10.08 | scanline | bah, I'm curious |
| 00:10.20 | scanline | besides, it would just be an affector that's easy to enable and disable |
| 00:10.42 | scanline | it's amazing how simple the code turns out with Numeric... |
| 00:10.56 | scanline | whoa |
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| 00:11.01 | scanline | mine just got reeeeealy wibbly |
| 00:11.12 | scanline | my screen is filled with a mess of confused vertices |
| 00:12.03 | scanline | the wibblyness probably occurs when the simulation timestep gets too high |
| 00:12.08 | scanline | ah, yep |
| 00:12.18 | scanline | if I drag around my mozilla window on the other screen it goes wibbly right away |
| 00:13.48 | learnerAtWork | is the nanoblogger dude here? |
| 00:21.47 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> I'm a nanoblogger dude ;) |
| 00:26.03 | learnerAtWork | hehe, hush fiber -- were hunting a mole :) |
| 00:26.34 | learnerAtWork | aw, he left -- punk |
| 00:40.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (SpringSystem.py): Add more springs to make the cloth less flexible, use a fixed simulation time step until there's a way to make the variable time step simulation more stable |
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| 00:41.02 | scanline | captain_proton: seems to work a lot better now |
| 00:41.21 | scanline | though it's only getting around 60 FHz because it's simulating a lot more springs... |
| 00:49.54 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 00:50.28 | learnerAtWork | damn her peers |
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| 00:50.32 | scanline | well, right now it's only calculating one normal per grid square rather than doing real vertex normals |
| 00:50.54 | scanline | though it looks like I might be able to get better normals pretty cheaply after the cross products I'll need to do for the wind anyway |
| 00:50.56 | captain_proton | the issue is more a problem with the geometry than the lighting |
| 00:51.39 | captain_proton | so right now, its using triangles like this: |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | +----+ |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | |\ | |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | | \ | |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | | \ | |
| 00:51.45 | captain_proton | | \| |
| 00:51.46 | captain_proton | +----+ |
| 00:51.53 | captain_proton | is it possible to do it like this: |
| 00:51.57 | captain_proton | +----+ |
| 00:51.57 | captain_proton | |\ /| |
| 00:51.57 | captain_proton | | \/ | |
| 00:51.58 | captain_proton | | /\ | |
| 00:52.00 | captain_proton | |/ \| |
| 00:52.02 | captain_proton | +----+ |
| 00:52.10 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:52.15 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 00:52.22 | scanline | that middle location would just be the midpoint between the four vertices? |
| 00:52.37 | captain_proton | middle location would be a vertex itself |
| 00:52.50 | scanline | ahh |
| 00:54.09 | scanline | hmm.. the only parts of this code that make assumptions about how the cloth array maps to triangles is in rendering and placing the springs.. so it shouldn't be hard to do that |
| 00:54.46 | captain_proton | would need a different tristripping algo |
| 00:54.50 | scanline | but if we're going to abandon the simple grid, maybe there's an even better shape to use? |
| 00:54.55 | scanline | it doesn't do tristripping, just vertex arrays |
| 00:55.00 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 00:55.20 | scanline | would be easy to add tristrips though |
| 00:55.55 | scanline | take a look at the ArraySurface drawable |
| 00:56.25 | scanline | it would just mean using GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP instead of GL_TRIANGLES and changing prepareIndices |
| 00:57.22 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/funkygeo.jpg |
| 00:58.05 | scanline | yeah.. it's worst when wrinkles are going diagonally to the vertex grid |
| 00:59.38 | scanline | hmm |
| 00:59.55 | scanline | so with the new triangle layout you're suggesting, how would that map to a 2D array? |
| 01:00.33 | captain_proton | grr |
| 01:00.55 | captain_proton | most of the season 1 episodes are in 110mb wmv |
| 01:01.07 | scanline | actually it doesn't have to be a 2D array.. could do more dimensions |
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| 01:01.35 | captain_proton | don't you just need a one-dimensional array of springs? |
| 01:01.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 01:01.44 | captain_proton | which indexes a one-dimensional array of vertices? |
| 01:02.49 | scanline | technically, but this processes all equal-length springs in one pass, so it needs springs to be regularly spaced on a 2D array |
| 01:03.23 | scanline | take a look at ClothSpringAffector.integrateSprings :) |
| 01:04.36 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 01:04.45 | captain_proton | monk solved a game of clue before they started =) |
| 01:05.11 | captain_proton | what a quality show |
| 01:05.24 | captain_proton | scanline: bandwidth sucks |
| 01:05.27 | captain_proton | i'll give you a choie |
| 01:05.38 | captain_proton | i can either give you a couple cds of stuff to copy on |
| 01:05.44 | captain_proton | or you can wait until we move in |
| 01:05.55 | scanline | I can wait |
| 01:07.12 | captain_proton | "i don't feel so good. this is like a feng schwei nightmare here" |
| 01:10.05 | scanline | I think this would actually look fine if that middle vertex was just a midpoint rather than part of the simulation |
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| 01:10.40 | scanline | I'm messing with the forces to get different types of folds, and the ones that go the same direction as the triangle edges look good |
| 01:11.55 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/cloth_folds.png |
| 01:13.14 | captain_proton | scanline: but the midpoint won't always be in the same spot |
| 01:13.41 | scanline | it would calculate it each frame, like the normals |
| 01:13.52 | captain_proton | thats not what i mean |
| 01:14.01 | captain_proton | i mean the two crosslines won't intersect |
| 01:14.03 | scanline | hmm.. that would still need some funky array arrangement in ArraySurface... |
| 01:14.24 | scanline | right |
| 01:15.12 | Patlabor221 | cap, since you are the secret admin ninja, you should know I posted this, http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=890 |
| 01:15.19 | scanline | hmm! |
| 01:15.47 | scanline | captain_proton: this is noticeably better if I just use GL_QUADS instead of TRIANGLES |
| 01:16.15 | scanline | I'm sure I'm breaking rules by giving it non-coplanar quads though |
| 01:16.39 | Patlabor221 | it should just make them fans |
| 01:17.03 | captain_proton | scanline: makes sense |
| 01:17.13 | captain_proton | then you don't get the peaks |
| 01:17.30 | scanline | well, you can tell it still splits them into two triangles |
| 01:17.37 | scanline | but it might be doing something smarter with the normals |
| 01:18.18 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/cloth_gl_quads.png |
| 01:18.46 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:19.09 | scanline | any way I can disable backface culling but have proper normals for the back side without flipping them myself? |
| 01:20.51 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:20.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Render with GL_QUADS to get somewhat better quality |
| 01:21.04 | scanline | I should make this use GL_QUAD_STRIP now |
| 01:27.42 | scanline | ahh... |
| 01:28.54 | scanline | the reason quads looked better was that the joint between triangles was slanted the wrong way before- the vertex it was calculating the normal at was 1/2 triangle off from where it was supposed to be |
| 01:29.03 | scanline | er, 1/2 grid squre |
| 01:33.13 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Triangle strips! |
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| 02:10.22 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (ArraySurface.py): Reorganize ArraySurface normal calculations to save intermediate results that we'll need for the wind affector |
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| 02:20.03 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (ArraySurface.py): Draw the back side of the cloth too |
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| 02:34.22 | learner | still at work, quol? |
| 02:35.36 | Quol_AtWork | no - just SSHing through my work box... |
| 02:35.55 | Quol_AtWork | didn't feel like connecting through my XP box at home :) |
| 02:36.16 | Quol_AtWork | I use trillian - and it just sucks up all my memory when I open it :( |
| 02:36.31 | learner | heh |
| 02:36.39 | learner | silly windows user |
| 02:36.46 | learner | :P |
| 02:36.47 | Quol_AtWork | lol |
| 02:37.50 | Quol_AtWork | i would use linux/*nix at home also - but my wife isn't comfortable on linux/*nix |
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| 02:38.37 | learner | hrm.. |
| 02:43.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Wind! lots of wind! |
| 02:43.44 | fiberchunks | Quol_AtWork> I would play on that, for sure, I loved that map / flag set |
| 02:43.56 | fiberchunks | no jumping uber-rapid ctf would be cool too |
| 02:43.59 | fiberchunks | 2 shot |
| 02:45.38 | Quol_AtWork | fiberchunks: uber-rapid ctf?? |
| 02:46.23 | learner | that would be cool |
| 02:47.06 | Quol_AtWork | you mean all hogh speed CTF?? don't follow uber-rapid.. |
| 02:47.51 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 02:48.02 | fiberchunks | but not hogh, high :) |
| 02:48.08 | Quol_AtWork | lol - thanks |
| 02:48.17 | Quol_AtWork | I was thinking about that also... |
| 02:48.29 | fiberchunks | mebbe even just V and A |
| 02:48.34 | Quol_AtWork | although it would get tough as the person who grabs the flag will be soooooooooo sloooooooooow |
| 02:48.41 | fiberchunks | oooo, with angular momentum enabled in bzfs :) |
| 02:48.51 | fiberchunks | Quol_AtWork> good :) |
| 02:49.22 | Quol_AtWork | i was also thinking about something silly like all Lazer board with no rico...just for fun |
| 02:49.27 | Quol_AtWork | don't know though |
| 02:50.03 | Quol_AtWork | I usually hate flags - I like it better when everyone either has the same flag, or no flags |
| 02:50.30 | fiberchunks | I was contemplating designing a board once, that was for the most part, all reflections |
| 02:50.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make it look sort of flag-like |
| 02:50.58 | learner | what would be more cool would be the ability to specify world physics |
| 02:50.58 | fiberchunks | like, creating a pyramid at a given point and angle, that would perfectly reflect and kill people on higher platforms |
| 02:51.15 | learner | kind of like xpilots |
| 02:51.22 | fiberchunks | dunno, never played it |
| 02:51.33 | fiberchunks | just like rico, but along Z too |
| 02:51.34 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 02:51.41 | learner | 2d vector line asteroids on steroids clone |
| 02:51.47 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 02:52.29 | fiberchunks | lemme know what your screen name is |
| 02:52.42 | fiberchunks | so's I can add you to me buddy list (ghod I hate that name) |
| 02:53.07 | learner | heh, fiber: I agree |
| 02:53.29 | fiberchunks | 'buddy list' urgh |
| 02:53.48 | fiberchunks | how bout just friends fer chrissakes |
| 02:54.04 | fiberchunks | amigos, compadres, whatever |
| 02:54.15 | Quol_AtWork | what do you use fiber - ICQ, AOL, MSN? |
| 02:55.09 | fiberchunks | aol |
| 02:55.18 | fiberchunks | same nick as here |
| 02:55.43 | learner | fiber, here's a screenshot of Xpilot |
| 02:55.53 | learner | http://www.j-a-r-n-o.nl/Multiplayer/Images/xpilot2.gif |
| 02:56.14 | fiberchunks | wow -- that looks involved :) |
| 02:56.27 | learner | pretty nifty old game |
| 02:56.55 | learner | has particle engine, powerups, map editors, user configurable ships, etc |
| 02:56.58 | fiberchunks | asteroids is the bomb, that, and tempest are the 2 greatest games of all time |
| 02:56.58 | Quol_AtWork | i used to play that - years ago...forgot all about xpilot |
| 02:57.04 | learner | and a pretty good physics engine |
| 02:57.31 | fiberchunks | well, and defender too :) |
| 02:58.11 | learner | xpilot was written in 91 iirc |
| 02:58.12 | learner | http://www.xpilot.org/ |
| 02:58.29 | learner | er, started in '91 |
| 02:59.49 | Quol_AtWork | I don't know about those games as the greatest fiberchunks - myself I would vote the zelda series as the greatest... |
| 02:59.56 | Quol_AtWork | that and pong of course :) |
| 03:00.51 | learner | Xpilot's highlights list reads like bzflag's todo list :) |
| 03:01.01 | learner | save a few that are already done .. |
| 03:03.29 | fiberchunks | Quol_AtWork> try jabber |
| 03:03.49 | Quol_AtWork | fiberchunks: OK |
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| 03:05.25 | Quol | I don't know about these GTK GUI's |
| 03:05.33 | Quol | very blocky and messy |
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| 03:08.06 | Quol | fiberchunks: does Jabber support multiple protocols - or just AOL? |
| 03:09.20 | Quol | never mind - I found it... |
| 03:09.57 | learner | heh, I like patlabor's 17 ways to win friends and influence people.. |
| 03:11.36 | learner | :) I like #10: (AKA this is not IRC) |
| 03:12.37 | Quol | learner: where did you read them? |
| 03:12.46 | learner | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=890 |
| 03:14.05 | fiberchunks | indeed - it does, and Patlabor221 and I were talking about that earlier learner :) |
| 03:14.18 | learner | fiber, you help write that? |
| 03:14.33 | Patlabor221 | I'm making a FAQ now |
| 03:14.44 | learner | take a bow, good sirs |
| 03:14.50 | Patlabor221 | he spell checked it for me :) |
| 03:14.54 | learner | heheh |
| 03:14.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 4 dirs): Now it's really a flag, yay |
| 03:15.41 | JBDiGriz | That means that fiberchunks had a huge part of the task! |
| 03:15.46 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 03:15.53 | Patlabor221 | he said I did good |
| 03:16.04 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> notice one of the items though -- you can't make fun of Patlabor221, at least on the board :) |
| 03:16.12 | JBDiGriz | Let's just say that he's only marginally better at finding typos |
| 03:16.19 | fiberchunks | phbbt ;) |
| 03:16.41 | JBDiGriz | This isn't the board, he can kick me from here as well, but I probably won't come back ;{) |
| 03:16.53 | fiberchunks | http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/scrm_good.jpg << pat |
| 03:17.14 | Patlabor221 | yay, your geting it |
| 03:17.16 | learner | still blendifying ? |
| 03:17.19 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 03:17.24 | JBDiGriz | Nice! |
| 03:17.25 | fiberchunks | yup -- learning UVmapping now |
| 03:17.30 | learner | coo |
| 03:17.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh you can make fun of me that's fine, just don't bitch when we ban ya :) |
| 03:17.56 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 03:18.00 | JBDiGriz | I like the new xchat, I can doubleclick on links now. |
| 03:18.12 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> you using 2.0.2? |
| 03:18.19 | JBDiGriz | If you ban me, you won't hear one word from me! ;-) |
| 03:18.21 | learner | so.. who added the "unless one of us is drunk" sideline? |
| 03:18.39 | fiberchunks | he did -- in reference to both of us, I wager (that and l33t karoki) |
| 03:18.42 | JBDiGriz | X-Chat Aqua 0.10.1 |
| 03:18.48 | fiberchunks | ah, mac, forgot |
| 03:19.15 | learner | better than ircle? |
| 03:19.18 | JBDiGriz | I still like my toy computers! |
| 03:19.52 | JBDiGriz | I tried ircle originally, and I liked the interface on X-Chat better. I haven't tried ircle lately. |
| 03:20.47 | fiberchunks | hey Patlabor221, my gf just mentioned that the panzer screamer looks like the landspeeder from empire strikes back |
| 03:20.58 | fiberchunks | and now that she mentions it, yah, it does :) |
| 03:20.58 | learner | heh, I don't believe there is a survey on whether purple is pink... |
| 03:21.16 | fiberchunks | learner> and all the lovely technical details too :\ |
| 03:21.18 | Quol | it looks pink from where I am |
| 03:21.30 | learner | heh |
| 03:22.16 | JBDiGriz | Quol: There was a problem on your ctf server earlier. Someone had disappeared and taken the flag with them. |
| 03:22.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah it kinda does have that look |
| 03:22.35 | Patlabor221 | tho it's canopy was difrent |
| 03:22.39 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 03:22.46 | Quol | JBDiGriz: did he go NR? |
| 03:22.48 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking of putting those flaps on the wings like they had in the movie |
| 03:23.08 | fiberchunks | and animating them? that would be sweet ;) |
| 03:23.09 | JBDiGriz | Quol: no, he wasn't on the field, but he had possession of his own flag. |
| 03:24.09 | Quol | JBDiGriz: was it continuous - did it fix itself or is it all the time? |
| 03:25.05 | JBDiGriz | Quol: it was continuous when I was watching. I had just joined as an observer, and people were complaining about it. I haven't been back to check recently. |
| 03:25.20 | JBDiGriz | Quol: The player's nick was orange. |
| 03:25.56 | Quol | I will check - on the regular CTF of the tournament one |
| 03:25.56 | Quol | ? |
| 03:26.06 | JBDiGriz | regular ctf |
| 03:26.12 | Quol | I will check the logs - do you think it was a cheat? |
| 03:26.42 | JBDiGriz | I couldn't call it either way. |
| 03:27.08 | Quol | just that one user though? |
| 03:28.03 | JBDiGriz | he was the only one with the flag. When I tried tracking the green flag as an observer, the display overlaid the red track display and became fairly messed up. |
| 03:29.06 | Quol | JBDiGriz: I will keep an eye on it.... |
| 03:31.32 | JBDiGriz | Buddy pounce is a feature that gives users the capability to send a message to a user as soon as they sign on. |
| 03:31.42 | JBDiGriz | http://www.cs.earlham.edu/~millebe/CS50/GAIM_v_2.html |
| 03:32.03 | Quol | ahhh - thanks JBDiGriz |
| 03:32.29 | JBDiGriz | Thank google, I only use the tools. |
| 03:33.55 | Quol | well guys - I am off to bed.... |
| 03:34.02 | Quol | see you later. |
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| 03:41.42 | Michaelh | is there something beyond adding files to the dsp that I need to do to add files to the bzflag dir? |
| 03:42.00 | Patlabor221 | how do you like the FAQ thread? http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=891 |
| 03:42.18 | Michaelh | is there any other config stuff? |
| 03:43.39 | Michaelh | I've been trying to include "menus.h" in another header file and it says that ServerItem is undeclared, even though it is declared in menus.h... any thoughts? |
| 03:45.05 | Michaelh | anyone alive? |
| 03:45.34 | learner | Ummm... I don't have a "BZFlag quicklinks" at the top of *my* page.. |
| 03:47.13 | JBDiGriz | Can I make fun of Patlabor221's spelling? |
| 03:47.18 | learner | lol "Yes a fair number of them, now calm down." |
| 03:49.32 | Patlabor221 | you don't? |
| 03:49.45 | Patlabor221 | not under the "logout" |
| 03:50.07 | Michaelh | is the order of compiling important for include files? |
| 03:50.09 | Patlabor221 | it's nice and big isn't it? :) |
| 03:50.23 | learner | ok, I see it now... yea.. _really_ noticeable |
| 03:50.26 | Patlabor221 | Michaelh sometimes |
| 03:50.36 | Michaelh | Does vc++ control that at all? |
| 03:50.53 | learner | I think my brain turned it into a hr or something |
| 03:50.54 | Patlabor221 | you do |
| 03:51.00 | Patlabor221 | it's the order you include them in |
| 03:51.12 | Patlabor221 | with your #include |
| 03:51.13 | learner | I don't think I've *ever* noticed it until just now |
| 03:51.19 | Michaelh | so is the dsp the only place I'd modify to include a couple of files |
| 03:51.41 | Patlabor221 | puting .h files in the dsp dosn't make them be compiled |
| 03:51.52 | Patlabor221 | only .c and cpp and cxx files are compiled |
| 03:51.57 | Patlabor221 | those files will include the .h files |
| 03:52.17 | Patlabor221 | puting the .h files in the dsp is just for ease of editing them |
| 03:52.29 | Michaelh | where is the compile step then? |
| 03:52.47 | Michaelh | dsw? |
| 03:52.47 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: The bzflag quicklinks are only there if you log in. |
| 03:53.01 | Patlabor221 | it compiles the c files in the order they are in the dsp |
| 03:53.10 | Michaelh | ah so |
| 03:53.21 | Patlabor221 | ahhh,I should have fiber change that so they are allways there. |
| 03:53.26 | Michaelh | Can .h files mysteriously not define themselves somehow? |
| 03:53.34 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:53.39 | Michaelh | like make an include never happen? |
| 03:53.56 | Michaelh | If I include something and it doesn't appear to actually include the stuff in the .h file |
| 03:53.56 | Patlabor221 | if the .h file has some #ifs or something in them sure |
| 03:54.05 | JBDiGriz | In the beginning of .h files, there is usually a define to prevent them from being included twice. |
| 03:54.10 | Patlabor221 | the.h file can have precompile loigic |
| 03:54.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:54.21 | Patlabor221 | the #ifndef _MY_DAMN_H_FILE_H |
| 03:54.38 | learner | fiber, I just noticed the 3dscreamers website |
| 03:54.39 | Michaelh | So does that mean I can't really include the .h file twice in two separate .cxx files that compile together? |
| 03:54.40 | learner | is that you? |
| 03:54.42 | Patlabor221 | why not explain your problem, instead of skirting the issue |
| 03:55.01 | Patlabor221 | fiber didn't do the screamers site, I did |
| 03:55.09 | Michaelh | added ServerCache.cxx and ServerCache.h |
| 03:55.10 | learner | ah, sry pat :) |
| 03:55.19 | learner | who's working on screamers? |
| 03:55.23 | Michaelh | Need to include menus.h in ServerCache.h to get ServerItem defined |
| 03:55.50 | Patlabor221 | Michaelh you can include it where ever you need to, the #ifndef will make sure the compiler only does it once. |
| 03:55.51 | Michaelh | but now when I compile it says that ServerItem is undefined when it gets to the ServerCache.h |
| 03:56.03 | Michaelh | (whilst compiling bzflag.cxx for example) |
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| 03:56.14 | Patlabor221 | so include it in the H file |
| 03:56.28 | Michaelh | I already did include menus.h |
| 03:56.31 | Patlabor221 | or make sure that menu is included before servercache everywhere you include server chace |
| 03:56.52 | Patlabor221 | did you include it before the use of the serveritem thing |
| 03:57.05 | Patlabor221 | learner, it's kinda stagnating while I work out the netlib and some other stuff. |
| 03:57.45 | fiberchunks | screamers is Patlabor221's baby -- he gave me the model and the psd to practice my blendering with |
| 03:58.31 | Michaelh | in bzflag I have menus.h included before "ServerListCache.h" |
| 03:58.59 | Michaelh | and it says that ServerItem is undefined when it hits "ServerListCache.h" |
| 03:59.09 | Michaelh | in bzflag.cxx that is |
| 04:00.16 | MrApathyCream | Michaelh: some other .h is including ServerListCache.h before the actual serverlistcache.h include? |
| 04:01.11 | Michaelh | lol |
| 04:02.15 | Michaelh | hmm menus.h includes serverlistcache.h |
| 04:02.17 | Michaelh | :) |
| 04:02.27 | Patlabor221 | circular linkage |
| 04:02.28 | MrApathyCream | there ya go |
| 04:02.55 | MrApathyCream | does ServerListCache use ServerItems in anything but Pointers or references? |
| 04:03.58 | Michaelh | in the class definition it uses them inside a map |
| 04:04.20 | Michaelh | inside the actual class it probably has a few actual ServerItems as temp values etc |
| 04:04.27 | Michaelh | Forward reference? |
| 04:05.05 | Michaelh | So if I just use pointers I can stick class ServerItem; in front of it? |
| 04:05.17 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:05.55 | fiberchunks | spell-chex0red |
| 04:06.08 | Michaelh | anyone know anything about cars? |
| 04:06.11 | Michaelh | :) |
| 04:06.44 | Michaelh | My fuel injected car is getting harder to start and I have to step on the gas sometimes to get it to start :) |
| 04:07.24 | fiberchunks | clean your injectors |
| 04:07.38 | fiberchunks | and/or replace your fuel filter |
| 04:08.12 | fiberchunks | but check your sparkplugs as well, it's amazing what a little carbon fouling or ancient plugs can do |
| 04:08.22 | Michaelh | so probably not major? |
| 04:08.33 | fiberchunks | most likely not, no |
| 04:08.44 | fiberchunks | just a restriction somewhere in the fuel system |
| 04:08.52 | Michaelh | how does one clean their injectors :) |
| 04:09.00 | fiberchunks | injector cleaner ;) |
| 04:09.04 | Michaelh | <-- car newb |
| 04:09.33 | Michaelh | it's been about a year since my oil was changed.. at least I think it is :) |
| 04:09.37 | fiberchunks | go to an autozone or the like, and grab yourself a bottle of an 'injector cleaner' type thing |
| 04:09.44 | fiberchunks | a year!?!?!?! |
| 04:10.00 | fiberchunks | get that done to, or even better, do it yourself, it's not rocket science |
| 04:10.04 | MrApathyCream | a year :) |
| 04:10.06 | Michaelh | I knew that would get you |
| 04:10.23 | Michaelh | it's an 88 celebrity.... 120,000 miles |
| 04:10.23 | fiberchunks | how many miles have you put on it in a year? |
| 04:10.39 | Michaelh | been putting more on them.. but it was about 300/month |
| 04:10.47 | Michaelh | more now than before |
| 04:10.56 | Michaelh | rusted through all over the place |
| 04:11.07 | fiberchunks | oh, well then that's not bad -- generally, you should change about 2800-3500 miles |
| 04:11.15 | fiberchunks | and do the filter every other oil change |
| 04:11.32 | fiberchunks | that's for standard, dinosaur based oils, by the way, not pure synthetics |
| 04:11.37 | fiberchunks | ala mobil 1 and the like |
| 04:11.40 | Michaelh | when I slam the door shut bits and pieces fall off |
| 04:11.49 | fiberchunks | lol don't slam the door |
| 04:11.58 | fiberchunks | shut it ------ gently ;) |
| 04:12.07 | Michaelh | no a/c either.... tried to fix it once .. then all the freon leaked out |
| 04:12.23 | Michaelh | $300 worth of freon |
| 04:12.30 | fiberchunks | probably just needs a recharge -- an 88 probably uses r-14 I wager |
| 04:14.18 | Michaelh | there's a pipe that burst.... |
| 04:14.28 | Michaelh | after he charged it :) |
| 04:14.42 | fiberchunks | ah, well then it needs a pipe too :) |
| 04:15.14 | Michaelh | he said it was a crap shoot right up front -- I guess any other thing can also go too |
| 04:16.37 | Michaelh | woohoo it linked |
| 04:18.47 | MrApathyCream | heh |
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| 04:19.57 | Michaelh | arg |
| 04:21.41 | Michaelh | is // ex: shiftwidth=2 tabstop=8 for something? |
| 04:21.47 | Michaelh | is the vi settings? |
| 04:21.58 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 04:23.55 | Michaelh | vi somehow picks up on that comment .. anywhere in the file? |
| 04:24.00 | learner | silly vi users with there odd hacks |
| 04:24.20 | learner | tricks are for kids |
| 04:26.25 | fiberchunks | phbbt |
| 04:34.06 | Michaelh | I thought that get() method was kind of weird, but it's a pretty cool little trick |
| 04:34.27 | MrApathyCream | what?.get() |
| 04:35.52 | Michaelh | making a static instance of a class inside the class and using a static get() method to return that instance |
| 04:36.37 | captain_proton | never fear, for THE FIST is here! |
| 04:36.41 | Michaelh | so you don't have to some how pass around pointers to an instance from class to class |
| 04:37.31 | Michaelh | although getInstance got shortened to get() :) |
| 04:38.31 | captain_proton | eek |
| 04:38.45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221 is going around telling everyone that i have ninja admin powers |
| 04:39.54 | fiberchunks | no, that would be me, would you rather not be listed? |
| 04:40.45 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 04:40.46 | captain_proton | Q) There are women here?!?! Women play BZFlag? |
| 04:40.46 | captain_proton | A) Yes a fair number of them, now calm down. |
| 04:40.46 | captain_proton | Q) Do you think any of them would go out with me? |
| 04:40.46 | captain_proton | A) No. |
| 04:40.57 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: naw, its ok |
| 04:41.28 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:41.33 | captain_proton | i like Patlabor221's heart boxers image |
| 04:41.53 | Michaelh | IT / development is certainly *not* the place to meet women :) |
| 04:42.17 | Michaelh | I also did a psych major -- 90 % of my classes were women :) |
| 04:42.39 | Michaelh | such a turn around from csci :) |
| 04:43.25 | TimRiker | ~dict phants |
| 04:43.26 | captain_proton | yay! |
| 04:43.30 | captain_proton | Q) Will you help me make my stupid game? |
| 04:43.30 | captain_proton | A) No we will not help you make your stupid game. |
| 04:43.40 | Patlabor221 | I thought you would like that one :) |
| 04:44.26 | scanline | =) |
| 04:44.34 | captain_proton | scanline: i scared clay with one of your quips |
| 04:44.35 | MrApathyCream | hey fist |
| 04:44.47 | captain_proton | there was a random sound, and i shrugged it off as the halon system =) |
| 04:44.53 | scanline | hehe |
| 04:46.18 | captain_proton | took him a few minutes before he realized i was joking |
| 04:46.24 | scanline | =) |
| 04:49.34 | MrApathyCream | fist: what's left for 19a2? |
| 04:50.00 | scanline | needs a new cupholder |
| 04:50.19 | Michaelh | hey captain -- when I submit this, can I add the two files ServerListCache.h and .cxx and submit the rest as a patch? |
| 04:50.32 | captain_proton | Michaelh: if it works, just commit it |
| 04:50.41 | Michaelh | ok.. not sure if it works under unix |
| 04:50.58 | captain_proton | Michaelh: did you change any code or just split it out? |
| 04:50.58 | Michaelh | compiles I mean... |
| 04:51.23 | Michaelh | mostly just split it out, but that required some changes in the other code naturally |
| 04:51.31 | Michaelh | no change in functionality |
| 04:51.34 | captain_proton | sounds ok |
| 04:51.46 | MrApathyCream | Michaelh: need to add it to makefile.am |
| 04:51.53 | Michaelh | yes I realize that.. |
| 04:52.11 | Michaelh | I get tired to renaming everything to .txt :) |
| 04:53.32 | fiberchunks | scanline> I was thinking a long time ago of having a 'screenshots' forum for the board |
| 04:53.37 | Michaelh | that's makefile.am in the bzflag dir right? |
| 04:53.41 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 04:54.11 | scanline | fiberchunks: or we could just update the ancient screenshot page on bzflag.org |
| 04:54.13 | Patlabor221 | fiber we shouldhave one now that we have attachements |
| 04:54.28 | scanline | fiberchunks: have sections for 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, pybzflag.. :) |
| 04:54.29 | Michaelh | is that file sensitive to tabs etc? |
| 04:54.30 | Patlabor221 | let people post interesting/funny shots |
| 04:54.52 | MrApathyCream | case sensitive for sure |
| 04:55.03 | scanline | Michaelh: tab sensitive also |
| 04:55.13 | Michaelh | tabs, no tabs ?? |
| 04:55.18 | scanline | yes |
| 04:55.18 | fiberchunks | indeed, with attachments life is much easier -- lemme get on that right now |
| 04:55.26 | TimRiker | if SF would ever update the version of python installed the wiki would handle image attachments on pages. |
| 04:55.43 | fiberchunks | where should I put it? |
| 04:55.47 | fiberchunks | in general? |
| 04:56.13 | fiberchunks | I'll put it in bzflag central |
| 04:56.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah best place |
| 04:56.32 | Patlabor221 | put it as the last one in that group |
| 04:57.42 | fiberchunks | I put it above help |
| 04:57.50 | MrApathyCream | anyone up for actually testing this mess on xmission? |
| 04:58.21 | fiberchunks | I'll make a Images forum in the etc... category, for other things |
| 05:00.20 | MrApathyCream | learner: in filterCharacters, previousCharPos is used before initialized |
| 05:00.30 | fiberchunks | there done |
| 05:00.36 | Patlabor221 | scanline I made a pybzflag topic you can put images in. |
| 05:00.51 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:01.02 | scanline | but it's more fun if it just says "bzflag screenshots" |
| 05:01.36 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 05:01.53 | Patlabor221 | then inside it has sections for each version |
| 05:02.19 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): Fixed used before inited warning |
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| 05:22.16 | scanline | aha |
| 05:22.17 | scanline | GL_LIGHT_MODEL_TWO_SIDE |
| 05:22.26 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 05:23.26 | scanline | yay, it works |
| 05:24.40 | scanline | 190 FHz to 205 FHz |
| 05:24.54 | Michaelh | For your rad machine at least :) |
| 05:25.03 | scanline | plus now I can use interleaved arrays without fear |
| 05:25.13 | scanline | Michaelh: it's just a flag |
| 05:26.18 | Michaelh | hmmm |
| 05:26.41 | Michaelh | so do you guys like never sleep? |
| 05:26.55 | scanline | =) |
| 05:27.04 | Michaelh | I actually have tommorow off |
| 05:27.11 | Michaelh | well .. today |
| 05:27.20 | fiberchunks | nah, there's no need for such mortal things ;) |
| 05:27.23 | MrApathyCream | gotta get up in 5 hours |
| 05:27.54 | fiberchunks | I just gnaw on some flesh, and I get all the requisite nourishment |
| 05:28.57 | scanline | bah, I'm improving ze flags! |
| 05:30.59 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/cloth.png |
| 05:32.05 | fiberchunks | oooo, pretty |
| 05:32.21 | scanline | so, that's the new stuff I made a flag out of :) |
| 05:32.35 | fiberchunks | nice, real nice |
| 05:32.36 | Michaelh | anyone else committing recently....... |
| 05:32.39 | scanline | I'm trying to get it textured and ran into a problem with glTexCoordPointer(), so I'm switching to interleaved arrays |
| 05:33.09 | Michaelh | ? |
| 05:34.06 | scanline | whoa.. using doubles where it expects floats is enough to give me a headache |
| 05:34.14 | scanline | flashing vertices all over the screen |
| 05:34.58 | captain_proton | yay |
| 05:35.01 | captain_proton | this show is so entertaining =) |
| 05:36.41 | Michaelh | cvs on dial up is fun fun fun |
| 05:37.21 | CIA | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (7 files): Extracting serverlistcache from menus.cxx |
| 05:40.26 | captain_proton | yay for projects that died horrible deaths |
| 05:41.04 | scanline | yay |
| 05:41.13 | Patlabor221 | to them we drink! |
| 05:42.17 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:42.30 | scanline | I get another extra 20 FHz using floats instead of doubles |
| 05:44.02 | Patlabor221 | I think the nvidia drivers are optimised for them |
| 05:44.18 | scanline | probably. only reason it was using double is that's Numeric's default |
| 05:44.40 | captain_proton | for now =) |
| 05:46.01 | Michaelh | fun fun fun |
| 05:46.22 | Michaelh | how about data 1, 2 ,3, 4, 5 |
| 05:46.24 | scanline | captain_proton: we could finally do camera exposure properly :) |
| 05:46.27 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.35 | scanline | Michaelh: hm? |
| 05:46.37 | Michaelh | remember C64 ? :) |
| 05:47.08 | captain_proton | there's a good barcelona song about c64s |
| 05:47.11 | Michaelh | In basic, the graphics were all entered as "data" statements |
| 05:47.22 | scanline | ah |
| 05:47.27 | Michaelh | data x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x |
| 05:47.30 | Michaelh | data x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x,x |
| 05:47.31 | scanline | yes.. that probably wouldn't handle a spring system simulation too well :) |
| 05:50.27 | CIA | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsp): add ServerListCache files |
| 05:57.02 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): Use interleaved arrays and GL_LIGHT_MODEL_TWO_SIDE. This gives a total of around a 30 FHz speed boost on my machine, plus makes texture coordinates possible. |
| 05:57.53 | scanline | now texture coords will be tricky, since they aren't the same length as vertices... |
| 05:58.22 | scanline | but ahh, I can give OpenGL a stride length to correct for that |
| 05:59.43 | captain_proton | you could do a 3d texture ;-) |
| 05:59.55 | scanline | well, that's what I was hoping for |
| 06:00.06 | scanline | but glInterleavedArrays only lets me do 2D or 4D texture coords |
| 06:00.09 | captain_proton | aw |
| 06:00.24 | captain_proton | it'd be so cool to just have a cube, and the texture coord is generated by vertex pos |
| 06:00.34 | scanline | grr.. there has to be a Numeric function for interleaving the last axis of a group of arrays |
| 06:00.37 | captain_proton | so the flag is really a flexible 2d slice of the cube |
| 06:00.41 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:00.55 | scanline | that'd be easy to do with texture coordinate generation |
| 06:00.58 | captain_proton | =} |
| 06:03.21 | captain_proton | scanline: its still got the bump thingies |
| 06:03.34 | captain_proton | no way to split each quad into 4 tris? |
| 06:03.48 | scanline | well, there is, but the bumps are a lot less bad now |
| 06:03.53 | scanline | I don't think adding more triangles would be worth it |
| 06:04.10 | scanline | it will probably look better after I un-screw-up the lighting |
| 06:04.39 | scanline | I have no idea why that flagpole is so much brighter than the flag |
| 06:04.51 | scanline | the colors are all <1, the normals should be normalized... |
| 06:05.00 | learner | had me worried there cap.. |
| 06:05.12 | learner | there was an aliased player that i first suspected was you |
| 06:05.13 | captain_proton | it still puts Patlabor221's flag to shame |
| 06:05.19 | scanline | :) |
| 06:05.21 | captain_proton | learner: what name? |
| 06:05.46 | learner | then the player was playing "suspiciously well" |
| 06:05.59 | scanline | ooh.. looks kinda neat when you get the normals and vertices swapped |
| 06:06.28 | captain_proton | screenshot! |
| 06:06.33 | learner | so I knew it couldn't have been you |
| 06:06.36 | learner | :) |
| 06:06.40 | captain_proton | learner: hah |
| 06:07.16 | learner | well.. suspicious in that the player is a suspect potential cheat |
| 06:07.29 | learner | not that you don't play well or anything :) |
| 06:07.44 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/wriggling_flag_mass.png |
| 06:08.04 | fiberchunks | funky |
| 06:08.06 | captain_proton | oog |
| 06:08.07 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 06:08.14 | learner | Clone Wars |
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| 07:11.23 | scanline | hmm, that's bizarre |
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| 07:12.44 | captain_proton | ? |
| 07:13.20 | scanline | if I switch to wireframe, my flag is blue (I'm using water.jpeg as a test texture) but I can't for the life of me get it to appear textured in normal mode |
| 07:13.29 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:14.08 | scanline | hmm, and it only appears blue in wireframe with an explicit glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D) and texture bind in my draw() |
| 07:15.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Hmm, it should be textured but it isn't. Time to ask davidtrowbridge for help |
| 07:15.37 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:16.36 | scanline | so, any ideas Mr. OpenGL Guru? :) |
| 07:19.20 | scanline | I have all the affectors commented out so the flag is pretty boring |
| 07:28.11 | captain_proton | strange |
| 07:28.18 | captain_proton | the texture 2d state is set |
| 07:29.37 | scanline | as far as I can tell the texture coords are fine, and even if they weren't we should be seeing blue instead of gray |
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| 07:39.48 | tommie | re |
| 07:40.05 | tommie | tommie: Did you get my eMail? |
| 07:42.43 | scanline | yeargh |
| 07:43.43 | scanline | yep.. looks like clothtest is leaking memory like crazy.. |
| 07:44.09 | captain_proton | leaking memory in python? |
| 07:44.11 | captain_proton | through numeric? |
| 07:44.31 | scanline | my best guess is that the interleaved array isn't getting freed because it thinks opengl has a reference to it |
| 07:44.32 | scanline | dunno |
| 07:44.50 | captain_proton | this texture thing has me stumped |
| 07:44.58 | captain_proton | in wireframe i get blue if i enable GL_TEXTURE_2D |
| 07:44.59 | scanline | :( |
| 07:45.05 | captain_proton | but GL_TEXTURE_2D is 1 anyways |
| 07:46.32 | scanline | my my this is leaking fast |
| 07:46.35 | scanline | about 1MB/s |
| 07:46.39 | captain_proton | yikes |
| 07:47.20 | scanline | I have it set to a higher resolution cloth for testing that... probably what makes this easily noticeable |
| 07:48.04 | scanline | yep.. no leak if the simulation still runs but I stick a 'return' right before it tries to interleave everything and draw it |
| 07:54.16 | captain_proton | freaky |
| 07:54.41 | scanline | looks like the leak is in PyOpenGL's binding for glInterleavedArrays |
| 07:56.23 | captain_proton | sucky |
| 07:56.38 | captain_proton | grr |
| 07:56.45 | captain_proton | patlabor set my tagline to "really needs new pants" |
| 07:57.15 | captain_proton | but he also set my avatar to a fist, so i'm ok |
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| 08:00.23 | fiberchunks | login sucessful? |
| 08:00.32 | scanline | yep |
| 08:00.57 | fiberchunks | coolio |
| 08:01.53 | fiberchunks | I love yer new logo cap :) |
| 08:02.01 | captain_proton | =) |
| 08:02.09 | fiberchunks | you do that, or jeff? |
| 08:02.22 | captain_proton | jeffy |
| 08:02.25 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:02.47 | fiberchunks | people are gonna start chanting power to the people when they're in channel ;) |
| 08:03.06 | captain_proton | power to the whatnow? |
| 08:03.17 | fiberchunks | old 60s/70s slogan |
| 08:03.21 | fiberchunks | the fist reminds me of that |
| 08:03.29 | captain_proton | hah! |
| 08:03.37 | captain_proton | xfree respects the ipv6 use flag |
| 08:05.37 | captain_proton | although |
| 08:05.40 | captain_proton | hrm, this is bizzare |
| 08:05.49 | captain_proton | i can resolve v6 dns |
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| 08:07.53 | fiberchunks | ~d |
| 08:08.12 | fiberchunks | back to modelling I go |
| 08:08.53 | scanline | hooray, my 23rd post on bzbb! |
| 08:09.02 | captain_proton | hooray! |
| 08:09.30 | scanline | hmm.. when you click on the attached images it annoyingly tries to make you download them |
| 08:09.46 | scanline | that might rather suck for a screenshot gallery type forum |
| 08:10.24 | captain_proton | holy shiat |
| 08:10.26 | captain_proton | gerbil posted |
| 08:17.54 | fiberchunks | scanline> well, you could just inline thumbs that link offsite |
| 08:18.13 | scanline | I could.. but my offsite is on a cable modem |
| 08:18.20 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:18.38 | scanline | suppose I could sneak a pybzflag screenshots directory onto bzflag.org :) |
| 08:19.03 | fiberchunks | or just inline sshots that are XxY to fit in a max window 800x600 (so 500x500 or so would be fine, I imagine |
| 08:19.10 | captain_proton | that you could |
| 08:19.46 | scanline | I was looking at how bzflag.org does its screenshots.. was expecting a php script to index images or something, but instead found a flat listing of them in HTML :-/ |
| 08:20.14 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:20.24 | captain_proton | you could do a php script for it |
| 08:20.27 | captain_proton | web page is in cvs ;) |
| 08:20.31 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:20.44 | scanline | I wrote one for the old picogui.org, but it sucked |
| 08:20.58 | scanline | had a shell script you had to use for manually generating thumbnails |
| 08:21.13 | scanline | could just install Gallery on bzflag.org |
| 08:22.56 | scanline | any problem with setting up gallery on bzflag.org? |
| 08:22.56 | captain_proton | scanline: emailed pyopengl's list re: leak yet? |
| 08:23.03 | captain_proton | i don't see a problem |
| 08:23.08 | captain_proton | should clear it with TimRiker first |
| 08:23.10 | scanline | captain_proton: no, I was going to dig into the problem some more first |
| 08:23.14 | scanline | ok |
| 08:23.31 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:23.43 | captain_proton | i remember once writing a really nifty gallery script |
| 08:23.47 | fiberchunks | damn, metaballs are neat |
| 08:23.48 | captain_proton | that would do lazy generation of thumbnails |
| 08:23.58 | scanline | captain_proton: gallery is pretty nifty |
| 08:28.23 | TimRiker | scanline: just uses local files and gens thumbs on demand or what? |
| 08:29.02 | scanline | TimRiker: it mainly lets you categorize screenshots and attach comments, but it automatically does thumbnails and has a nice management interface |
| 08:29.04 | scanline | all in php |
| 08:29.19 | fiberchunks | sf project? |
| 08:29.29 | scanline | gallery.sf.net |
| 08:29.29 | fiberchunks | or something you wrote? |
| 08:29.34 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 08:29.36 | TimRiker | where are the comments stored? |
| 08:29.49 | scanline | not sure, I haven't actually used it myself |
| 08:30.01 | scanline | just seen it used a lot, and almost set it up myself once :) |
| 08:31.02 | TimRiker | set it up in a subdir first and let's see what's needed then assuming it's all fine we'll check it into cvs and use it. k? |
| 08:31.10 | scanline | sounds good, thanks |
| 08:31.58 | TimRiker | I suspect that any uploaded images will need to be added to the wiki backup script. cause if they are world writeable then the "rm -rf /" cgi scripts that get run from time to time will wipe em out. |
| 08:32.15 | TimRiker | captions probably fall in the same category. |
| 08:32.48 | captain_proton | naptime for me |
| 08:32.55 | scanline | g'night captain_proton |
| 08:33.05 | captain_proton | see ya tomorrow |
| 08:38.39 | fiberchunks | 2+2=5 lol |
| 08:42.24 | scanline | hmm.. this gallery setup procedure is awfully familiar |
| 08:42.35 | scanline | I think I tried setting this up on picogui.org before we decided on Plone |
| 08:47.14 | TimRiker | ~1+1 |
| 08:47.18 | | well, 1+1 is 3 for large values of 1 |
| 08:47.30 | scanline | ~sci-fi du jour |
| 08:47.31 | | It's some kind of magneto-ionized positrino emission field in 10-forward, ensign kirk |
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| 08:52.25 | TimRiker | [dmp]: ah. you might have much better luck with a cvs version of blootbot. |
| 08:56.46 | [dmp] | TimRiker: Erhm. My bot wasnt supposed to be here :) |
| 08:57.12 | [dmp] | TimRiker: But ill look at it, and at your patch (just gotten home) |
| 09:10.15 | scanline | argh |
| 09:10.20 | scanline | no C compiler on the sf shell boxen? |
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| 11:44.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Make the interleaved array packing code a little bit more efficient |
| 11:50.01 | [dmp] | whats pybzflag? |
| 11:50.23 | scanline | it's a set of python modules for things related to bzflag |
| 11:50.32 | scanline | networking, world processing, rendering... |
| 11:51.33 | [dmp] | ah |
| 11:55.32 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/flag.jpeg |
| 11:55.42 | scanline | looks a lot better in motion :) |
| 11:58.17 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 11:58.54 | [dmp] | i saw your gallery, seems nice :) |
| 11:58.56 | scanline | bzflag's cloth is a couple sine waves, screamers has a prerecorded animation.. pybzflag uses a physical model of cloth :) |
| 12:01.35 | fiberchunks | looks good scan -- what was causing all that garbage on the other sschot? |
| 12:02.02 | scanline | oh, I had my arrays interleaved wrong, so it had the normals and vertices swapped |
| 12:02.17 | scanline | right now the cloth simulation itself is working great, but there are some other problems |
| 12:02.33 | scanline | there's a memory leak caused by a bug in PyOpenGL.. I asked on their mailing list about it |
| 12:02.46 | scanline | there's also a problem with textures that has captain_proton and I stumped |
| 12:02.57 | scanline | that flag is supposed to be textured, but it's not.. we can't figure out why |
| 12:05.21 | fiberchunks | neat can't wait to see the texturing :) |
| 12:05.27 | scanline | me too :) |
| 12:05.38 | scanline | should also look a lot better with un-screwed-up lighting |
| 12:05.55 | fiberchunks | how can there be a memory leak? I thought python handled garbage collection and all that well? |
| 12:05.55 | scanline | remains to be seen how detailed the flags can be once we have a ton of them in the game at once |
| 12:06.13 | fiberchunks | or am I as usual, confused ;) |
| 12:06.18 | scanline | fiberchunks: there's a leak in the SWIG wrapper around glInterleavedArrays, so it's in C code |
| 12:06.23 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 12:06.29 | fiberchunks | that makes sense then |
| 12:06.50 | scanline | and it is actually still possible to have memory leaks in python, it's just a lot harder with its good garbage collector |
| 12:06.56 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 12:07.17 | scanline | only case I know of is when it finds a group of objects with circular references, and more than one of them has a __del__ function, or something like that |
| 12:07.20 | scanline | relatively obscure |
| 12:07.39 | scanline | and even then, it puts the objects in a 'garbage' list where you can manually dispose of them |
| 12:08.22 | scanline | well, I should take a shower in preparation for work. bbiab |
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| 12:30.09 | [dmp] | hi david_v |
| 12:30.24 | david_v | [dmp]: ah hi :) haven't seen you for quite a while |
| 12:30.37 | david_v | enjoyed the vacation? (or whatever it was) |
| 12:32.48 | [dmp] | yeah i did. visited my mother + family. Have beeen soooo lazy :-) |
| 12:33.24 | [dmp] | Actually, a few days back i wanted to show my sister the wonders of bzflag.. But kinda failed. It crashed.. again and again.. So even if i wanted to play some, i coundnt. |
| 12:33.51 | david_v | arg |
| 12:34.48 | david_v | hey, while you were away i took the liberty of fixing a little bug on the site. that is, Chestal uploaded the fix. and in fact you had patched for it already, but not uploaded the patch ;) |
| 12:34.52 | [dmp] | well, i could get it running for 10+ mins if i played bzflag window'ed. buts its quite annoying when you get outside the window.. and wanna shoot :) |
| 12:35.12 | david_v | ah yes i see |
| 12:35.18 | [dmp] | hm |
| 12:35.37 | [dmp] | you know i made the patch? how did you know that? (im confused) |
| 12:35.41 | david_v | i try to keep my mouse cursor closer to the middle nowadays, should save some tenth of seconds supposedly |
| 12:35.50 | david_v | checked your CVS repository :) |
| 12:36.00 | [dmp] | ah |
| 12:36.00 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:36.09 | david_v | btw i wrote some weird mails to you too. ignore them :) |
| 12:37.08 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:37.33 | [dmp] | the stuff in my respository woudlnt work if i uploaded parts of them. its gonna be all or nothing :) |
| 12:37.37 | david_v | i have a little question... do you know if there's any official "booking" of the Ducati match area (59999) ? |
| 12:37.42 | david_v | ah... hehe |
| 12:37.55 | david_v | i considered this bug rather critical, that's why i messed with it |
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| 12:38.03 | david_v | the quote (") bug |
| 12:38.41 | [dmp] | there is no booking of d:99999 afaik.. people just uses it if its empty. |
| 12:38.55 | david_v | yeah that's what i thought |
| 12:39.03 | david_v | i think that's a missing feature though :) |
| 12:39.09 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 12:39.21 | david_v | sometimes teams get to wait, or find another server |
| 12:40.37 | [dmp] | Yeah. Could be a problem if we get 10*times the amount of matches than we currently have. But i never felt it was a problem. |
| 12:41.21 | david_v | supposedly not |
| 12:42.46 | david_v | btw we'll have a match on Sunday |
| 12:43.03 | david_v | vs Avengers. then we should try more experienced teams |
| 12:43.10 | [dmp] | ah |
| 12:45.10 | [dmp] | who is porter? |
| 12:45.17 | david_v | you ask me that? :) |
| 12:45.19 | david_v | he just joined... |
| 12:45.24 | [dmp] | ah |
| 12:45.25 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:45.31 | david_v | will kick him out in a week or so if he doesn't respond |
| 12:46.29 | [dmp] | i see you got mortimer too :) |
| 12:46.39 | [dmp] | now you just need to play us :) |
| 12:47.41 | david_v | not yet... not yet :) |
| 12:48.06 | david_v | but hey, got to eat. i'll brb |
| 12:56.37 | [dmp] | ~d |
| 13:02.47 | david_v | back |
| 13:02.58 | david_v | can't play right now... in a bit, maybe |
| 13:03.27 | david_v | how should i interpret that. are you leaving, or are you unexpectedly welcoming me? :) |
| 13:03.39 | learner | yes :) |
| 13:03.42 | david_v | hehe |
| 13:03.52 | david_v | that was a tricky answer too :) |
| 13:11.35 | david_v | hehe k |
| 13:12.00 | david_v | double morale. the other day you tried to convince someone not to go to work :) |
| 13:12.17 | learner | :) |
| 13:15.07 | learner | it's more of a random morale |
| 13:16.27 | learner | plus, I just like convincing people do to things that they know they want to do :) |
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| 13:52.11 | Quol_AtWork | morning learnerAtWork |
| 13:52.20 | learnerAtWork | mornin' Quol_AtWork |
| 14:05.19 | dougAtWork | :) |
| 14:05.31 | dougAtWork | morning *AtWork |
| 14:05.45 | learnerAtWork | mornin' dougAtWork |
| 14:05.50 | learnerAtWork | welcome to the club :) |
| 14:05.58 | dougAtWork | haha |
| 14:06.22 | learnerAtWork | the secret handshake is.. |
| 14:06.34 | learnerAtWork | oops -- was that on the public channel? |
| 14:06.40 | dougAtWork | heh |
| 14:07.16 | dougAtWork | dingdingdingdoooonnngggwrooochhchccchcchchccccchcchch |
| 14:07.21 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 14:07.26 | Quol_AtWork | lol |
| 14:07.36 | dougAtWork | hey, that was pretty close |
| 14:11.40 | dougAtWork | hah, I had breakfast burritos |
| 14:11.49 | dougAtWork | and a large piece of apple pie |
| 14:13.26 | dougAtWork | sizzling... |
| 14:13.30 | dougAtWork | smell |
| 14:13.44 | dougAtWork | Mmmm, Beef.... its whats for dinner/breakfast |
| 14:19.25 | fiberchunks | stupid things: http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/trekship.jpg |
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| 14:22.53 | dougAtWork | ! |
| 14:23.04 | dougAtWork | mplayer-common needs package mplayer... |
| 14:23.14 | dougAtWork | package mplayer needs mplayer-common |
| 14:23.33 | fiberchunks | dependency hell |
| 14:24.33 | learnerAtWork | gmornin' fiber you were sure up early |
| 14:24.50 | dougAtWork | aha, fine pritn |
| 14:24.53 | dougAtWork | NOTE: There are circular dependencies, so you must install them all at once |
| 14:26.50 | fiberchunks | mornin |
| 14:27.04 | fiberchunks | dougAtWork> of course there are -- is this an rpm based distro? |
| 14:27.16 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> heh, never went to bed :) |
| 14:27.43 | fiberchunks | I suppose I should though - did you see my hackish effort above? |
| 14:28.22 | dougAtWork | yea |
| 14:29.37 | learnerAtWork | omg, fiber -- I salute you :) |
| 14:30.44 | fiberchunks | I finally figured out enough to make a silly model, that looks like shite -- but it's a start :) |
| 14:32.04 | learnerAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.37 | learnerAtWork | powerfull, but the interface is obtuse as all fsck |
| 14:32.37 | fiberchunks | indeed -- once I get the interface down, I think I'll dig it |
| 14:33.15 | fiberchunks | yah -- I'm getting the hang of it -- if lightwave were open source, I probably wouldn't even consider blender, but it ain't, so I am :) |
| 14:33.32 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 14:33.59 | fiberchunks | once I get my head around it, I'll get my head around povray |
| 14:34.44 | Chestal | this is a strange time for sleep in most timezones that are usually represented on this # |
| 14:34.55 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 14:35.13 | fiberchunks | I am a nocturnal person, everyone else sleeps, I get things done (usually, anyway) |
| 14:35.31 | fiberchunks | wish I could run errands at 3 am though :\ |
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| 14:46.18 | david_v | fiberchunks: i'm still trying to figure out the Blender interface... something seems buggy, or i just need to rtfm :) |
| 14:46.35 | captain_proton | the interface isn't buggy, just unintuitive |
| 14:46.57 | Chestal | is there a spec? if not, it cannot be buggy anyways :-) |
| 14:47.13 | fiberchunks | david_v> oi, I've spent almost 30 hours last week trying to figure out the interface, and I think I've only touched about 1/100000th of it :\ |
| 14:47.13 | david_v | yes unintuitive, but when i click on some things i get empty workareas... i get nowhere |
| 14:47.21 | david_v | fiberchunks: lol |
| 14:47.35 | david_v | but i'll just check the docs anyway... oh well :) |
| 14:48.01 | fiberchunks | it's hard to find all the most current docs / tuts, they are scattered everywheres |
| 14:48.07 | david_v | ah |
| 14:48.25 | david_v | well, at least someone figured out how to use the program. did you guys check the Blender rendered movies yet? |
| 14:48.31 | david_v | there are six of them now |
| 14:48.36 | david_v | or more, let me recheck |
| 14:49.13 | david_v | http://www.blender3d.org/About/?sub=GalleryMovies - the first one should be an .avi - wrong link |
| 14:51.31 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 14:51.34 | fiberchunks | yeah, saw those neat stuff |
| 14:51.39 | david_v | :) |
| 14:51.55 | david_v | i like the 1st and the 5th |
| 14:51.57 | captain_proton | scanline: so i think i need to create a stereoscopic context in order for it to send a properly interlaced signal to the conference room |
| 14:52.46 | captain_proton | and i'm not sure that's possible with SDL / pygame |
| 14:54.01 | fiberchunks | david_v> if you need linkage, I have a whole boatload of em, they're in galeons xml format, but it's human readable |
| 14:54.08 | fiberchunks | linkage for docs, that is |
| 14:57.26 | david_v | ah. yea sure, dcc them |
| 15:01.27 | fiberchunks | can't dcc, I'll do up a webpage of my links (which I was planning to do anyway -- wait til next week or this weekend though, cause im gonna be busy the end of this week. |
| 15:01.58 | david_v | fiberchunks: ok, no problem. i won't be looking much into Blender right now anyway |
| 15:10.14 | learnerAtWork | the blender irc channels are on this network as well |
| 15:10.40 | fiberchunks | indeed, I've got em all open, 'in case of stupidity' :) |
| 15:11.24 | fiberchunks | and now, I'm off to bed -- gnite |
| 15:12.21 | david_v | nite |
| 15:16.13 | dougAtWork | bed? |
| 15:21.10 | learnerAtWork | sure, I'll take two please |
| 15:28.16 | david_v | too late, learner :) |
| 15:28.22 | david_v | i booked them yesterday |
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| 15:48.24 | captain_proton | patlabor221: whats this whole "really needs new pants" thing? |
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| 15:54.55 | patlabor221 | a joke |
| 15:55.01 | patlabor221 | I will change it |
| 15:56.18 | captain_proton | eh |
| 15:56.29 | captain_proton | just wanted to know where it came from |
| 15:56.42 | patlabor221 | If I could get scanlines conversion script I can make them VRML for ya, I did break them into objects so it could be made into VRML |
| 15:56.52 | patlabor221 | ohh I just came up with it one day |
| 15:57.23 | captain_proton | patlabor221: well... |
| 15:57.26 | captain_proton | its in pybzflag cvs. |
| 15:57.34 | patlabor221 | ahh cool |
| 15:57.46 | patlabor221 | I shall get it an see about converting the model then |
| 16:01.02 | patlabor221 | vrml can hold real UV coords? |
| 16:03.21 | patlabor221 | ugg, it dosn't look like it does |
| 16:03.29 | patlabor221 | the tank just has vertex data |
| 16:05.18 | patlabor221 | and I don't see any normals ether. |
| 16:05.44 | captain_proton | normals are generated on load |
| 16:06.13 | captain_proton | its only slightly crufty |
| 16:06.47 | patlabor221 | how does it know what to smooth? |
| 16:07.06 | patlabor221 | angle between the face normals? |
| 16:07.19 | patlabor221 | or is it just a flat shade thing for now? |
| 16:09.23 | captain_proton | it does vertex lighting, iirc |
| 16:09.50 | patlabor221 | still how does it know the vertex normal? |
| 16:09.57 | patlabor221 | since all you have is face normals |
| 16:10.00 | captain_proton | angle between faces |
| 16:10.07 | patlabor221 | ok so it smooths |
| 16:10.23 | captain_proton | its only a tiny bit crufty =) |
| 16:10.38 | patlabor221 | well it means it can't use my smoothing groups |
| 16:11.04 | patlabor221 | I will ask scanline if he supports normalIndex and textureCoordIndex |
| 16:11.24 | patlabor221 | the VRML generated from milkshape is very similar |
| 16:11.35 | patlabor221 | looks like I should be able to tweak it into your format easy |
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| 16:12.15 | captain_proton | i think i'm gonna head in |
| 16:13.14 | patlabor221 | I think your "water.jpg" was added as text |
| 16:13.19 | patlabor221 | as the image is all screwed for me |
| 16:13.45 | patlabor221 | the caustic images look a bit funky too |
| 16:17.16 | captain_proton | hm, indeed |
| 16:17.24 | captain_proton | i'll fix that up when i get in |
| 16:17.27 | captain_proton | later |
| 16:17.33 | patlabor221 | have fun |
| 16:17.39 | patlabor221 | say Hi to tennis ladies |
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| 16:43.45 | drinian | Could someone help me with a question I have about how something is implemented in BZFlag? |
| 16:44.49 | drinian | Does a message need to be sent to the server to indicate a player has a certain flag? |
| 16:44.50 | prot-work | yay i'm here |
| 16:44.55 | prot-work | no tennis ladies :( |
| 16:45.45 | drinian | In other words, is it through server messages that the other clients know how to render the type of shot you have? |
| 16:46.20 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12CVSROOT/ (cvswrappers): add "jpeg" to cvswrappers so scanline doesn't screw up |
| 16:47.48 | patlabor221 | drinian each shot has a type. when it's created it has the type in it. |
| 16:48.19 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/data (32 files): removing caustics |
| 16:48.55 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/data (32 files): readd caustics as binary |
| 16:48.58 | drinian | Yes, I see that. You create a new ShotStrategy object. But how to the other clients know you've done that? Through server messages? |
| 16:49.15 | patlabor221 | yes, you have to send a message for everthing you do |
| 16:49.30 | patlabor221 | it dosn't get to them by magic :) |
| 16:49.39 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/data (water.jpeg): remove water.jpeg |
| 16:50.00 | dougAtWork | it doesnt? sheesh, then thats what all that codes been doin :) |
| 16:50.03 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/data (water.jpeg): readd as binary |
| 16:50.31 | drinian | What is the message you send? Is sendGrabFlag the message that lets the other clients know how to render your shot? |
| 16:50.38 | patlabor221 | no |
| 16:50.46 | patlabor221 | like I say, the shot has the type in it |
| 16:51.00 | bryjen | MsgShotBegin |
| 16:51.06 | prot-work | patlabor221: all the data should work now |
| 16:51.08 | patlabor221 | you send a shot creation message with the shot type ( normal, GM, super, whatnot ) |
| 16:51.12 | patlabor221 | cool cap. |
| 16:52.14 | patlabor221 | the server does now do some checks to make sure you can create those shots, and will ditch bad shots to help prevent cheating. |
| 16:52.41 | drinian | Does it do that by verifying your flag? |
| 16:52.48 | patlabor221 | if it can yeah |
| 16:53.03 | patlabor221 | and also make sure the shot is not too fast, and stuff like that |
| 16:54.20 | patlabor221 | what are you trying to do? |
| 16:54.22 | drinian | I am working on a new flag and feature and I want to enable a certain type of shot for "victim". Can I do this by just setting his flag? |
| 16:54.58 | patlabor221 | add a new type |
| 16:55.05 | patlabor221 | and add shot strats to handle it |
| 16:55.20 | prot-work | drinian: what flag/feature? |
| 16:55.58 | prot-work | eww you eat those things? |
| 16:56.12 | drinian | I am working on a Temporal Incursion flag. This is based on "Year of Hell" in Star Trek Voyager. |
| 16:56.15 | learnerAtWork | Mmmmmm |
| 16:56.28 | patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 16:56.29 | prot-work | for those of us who couldn't stand the show, what does it do? |
| 16:56.58 | drinian | If shot by someone with this flag it "erases" them from time, which means that all thier score is set to 0 and other's scores are set as if they never existed. |
| 16:57.05 | learnerAtWork | ah, flag for 2.0? |
| 16:57.29 | patlabor221 | ummm... why? |
| 16:57.34 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 16:57.55 | patlabor221 | your gonna have to track what points came from what player as well |
| 16:58.16 | drinian | It seems that each client does it already. |
| 16:58.20 | prot-work | i'm a bit confused as to the point of this flag |
| 16:58.24 | bryjen | if they had a big negative score, you'd be doing them a favor ;) |
| 16:58.33 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: eh - he just wants some of the bugs fixed first |
| 16:58.38 | drinian | I saw Tim's last comment and I wasn't thinking of submitted it for a while. |
| 16:58.49 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 16:59.25 | drinian | bryjen: that's right. It woud be a good and bad flag...depending. I also thought of limiting it to one shot and then the flag drops. |
| 16:59.48 | patlabor221 | actualy it sounds rather lame to me. |
| 16:59.53 | patlabor221 | way to complex |
| 17:00.38 | learnerAtWork | this sounds like an anti-gm-user flag, yes? |
| 17:00.39 | prot-work | it doesn't sound useful to me |
| 17:00.41 | drinian | Well...perhaps...I thought it could be cool. |
| 17:01.06 | learnerAtWork | there are plenty of other lame flags pat.. didn't stop them :) |
| 17:01.12 | patlabor221 | this is true |
| 17:01.15 | drinian | Well, maybe it's good to get feedback before I code all night long. |
| 17:01.17 | patlabor221 | but that dosn't mean I have to give up |
| 17:01.22 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 17:01.24 | patlabor221 | that flag has no ballance |
| 17:01.36 | patlabor221 | one person wiht that could decimate a server |
| 17:01.49 | patlabor221 | and then how is it worse then a "GM camper" ? |
| 17:01.50 | learnerAtWork | at least score-wise |
| 17:02.12 | drinian | Yes, and it would really change the look of things on the scoreboard. |
| 17:02.21 | drinian | Could add some decent spice. |
| 17:02.33 | patlabor221 | it's a munchkin flag |
| 17:02.38 | drinian | Again, I was thinking of it only allowing one shot, too. |
| 17:02.53 | learnerAtWork | hehe, it might be funny to make the flag "trade' scores... |
| 17:02.59 | patlabor221 | theif |
| 17:03.05 | learnerAtWork | the retaliation is that it's only really useful once |
| 17:03.14 | learnerAtWork | kinda like bunny |
| 17:03.14 | prot-work | my concern is that the flag deals only with the scores |
| 17:03.17 | prot-work | and not with the game itself |
| 17:03.22 | bryjen | what could the counter-flag be? Shield is kind of a general purpose counter, but not much good when shot counts get high. |
| 17:03.32 | drinian | prot: What do you mean? |
| 17:03.44 | patlabor221 | in game terms all it does is kill them |
| 17:03.50 | prot-work | drinian: if you think about it, every flag is actually useful in the game |
| 17:03.58 | prot-work | you get a weapon, or a shield, or some ability |
| 17:04.09 | patlabor221 | something difrent then a normal shot |
| 17:04.11 | prot-work | scores are sort of auxiliary |
| 17:04.18 | drinian | That's true... |
| 17:04.19 | patlabor221 | some people don't even track score |
| 17:04.34 | bryjen | its all made up and the points don't matter ;) |
| 17:04.42 | learnerAtWork | while others track it with a vengence unfortunately |
| 17:04.45 | learnerAtWork | to each their own |
| 17:05.38 | prot-work | i don't want to keep you down, but there are other flags that (imho) should be done first |
| 17:05.42 | bryjen | anyone thought about making shield absorb multiple shots? |
| 17:06.16 | drinian | OK, I'll put it on the back burner if you think it wouldn't be a priority. |
| 17:06.35 | prot-work | drinian: take a look at the FlagList wiki page if you want any ideas =) |
| 17:06.44 | patlabor221 | I'm sure it was a very good episode of voager, but it dosn't sound like a good basis for a flag :) |
| 17:07.07 | drinian | All right, how about this one... |
| 17:07.08 | learnerAtWork | lol, pat |
| 17:07.16 | bryjen | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/FlagList |
| 17:07.21 | drinian | Provocation flag |
| 17:07.47 | drinian | This flag would make the victum shoot and you get the points from his shot. |
| 17:08.07 | learnerAtWork | eh? |
| 17:08.15 | patlabor221 | like you shoot them, they shoot? |
| 17:08.20 | drinian | yes. |
| 17:08.22 | patlabor221 | so you can't kill them at all with that? |
| 17:08.28 | drinian | correct. |
| 17:08.29 | patlabor221 | sounds tricky to actualy use |
| 17:08.40 | patlabor221 | what if they don't have any shots avalalbe? |
| 17:08.52 | drinian | But it they have shockwave and are by thier teammates you get a lot of points. |
| 17:09.13 | bryjen | shoot them to make them waste their shots, drop the flag, and shoot them again to kill them. hmmmm |
| 17:09.25 | patlabor221 | again, sounds rather limited in use and funky |
| 17:09.27 | drinian | Something like that. |
| 17:10.11 | bryjen | eh, but you'd be out of shots unless they'd already used some of theirs :( |
| 17:10.27 | learnerAtWork | you sound rather interested in points and score fairness... how about working on automatic team joining and balancing (perhaps skill/point based) |
| 17:11.03 | prot-work | patlabor221: mines have their own issues |
| 17:11.11 | drinian | learner: please elaborate |
| 17:11.17 | patlabor221 | code wise yes, but they would be usefull :) |
| 17:11.23 | prot-work | not just code-wise |
| 17:11.41 | patlabor221 | splain |
| 17:11.45 | learnerAtWork | drinian: there are lots issues and things to think about, but the gist is to try and keep teams fair |
| 17:11.47 | prot-work | frank's mines worked because they would cause damage from a distance |
| 17:12.03 | patlabor221 | yeah you would want to put some proximity on them |
| 17:12.06 | patlabor221 | not just the point hit |
| 17:12.24 | patlabor221 | it would need to be more then a "static" shot |
| 17:12.26 | learnerAtWork | drinian: you can help team fairness by keeping team's well balanced either score-wise or skill-wise |
| 17:12.40 | prot-work | the issue is that they can't be huge (would never run into one), but can't be too small (its not fun when you just die) |
| 17:13.00 | learnerAtWork | drinian: you could also limit the ability to join a team if a team is dominating (perhaps not allowing users to choose a team) |
| 17:13.13 | patlabor221 | yeah, I concur cap, but it could be balanced out. |
| 17:13.48 | drinian | Routiens that automatically switch your team to balance out the playing field, also? |
| 17:14.46 | prot-work | ok, time to make a patch for SDL =) |
| 17:15.08 | prot-work | patlabor221: i have a question for you - can you try bzflag -stereo and see if it works on windows? |
| 17:15.15 | learnerAtWork | drinian: yes, that's possible too |
| 17:15.28 | patlabor221 | I can try |
| 17:15.28 | drinian | Hmmm... |
| 17:15.31 | prot-work | the switch would need to be really explicit |
| 17:15.37 | learnerAtWork | perhaps a server-option that completely handles the teams |
| 17:15.41 | patlabor221 | let me get latest and build |
| 17:15.44 | prot-work | you think we have a problem with tks now, just wait until people's teams start changing on them |
| 17:15.54 | prot-work | patlabor221: it shouldn't have changed recently |
| 17:16.02 | patlabor221 | I haven't goten in weeks |
| 17:17.06 | drinian | What else would be a priority at this time? |
| 17:17.10 | learnerAtWork | another fun thing to work on could be flag classes and multi-flag capabilities |
| 17:17.19 | patlabor221 | take a look at the WIP wikki page |
| 17:17.24 | prot-work | and the TODO file |
| 17:17.28 | drinian | Ah, yes. |
| 17:17.33 | learnerAtWork | cap, other games do this already (auto-team switching) -- though they tend to be session based |
| 17:17.40 | learnerAtWork | sessions would also be cool |
| 17:18.02 | patlabor221 | the best games add good bots to ballance out a team |
| 17:18.25 | drinian | learner: what do you mean by sessions? |
| 17:18.44 | patlabor221 | the games run till a certan score or time is reached |
| 17:18.49 | patlabor221 | then change maps |
| 17:19.30 | learnerAtWork | kind of like auto-matches -- the "game" only lasts XX minutes long and then a server resets (and players are rejoined (on potentially different teams)) |
| 17:19.55 | patlabor221 | cap, it dosn't do anything |
| 17:20.24 | prot-work | patlabor221: does it start up? |
| 17:20.35 | patlabor221 | it does |
| 17:20.37 | patlabor221 | it runs as normal |
| 17:20.41 | patlabor221 | dosn't do anything difrent |
| 17:20.59 | prot-work | hm, interesting |
| 17:20.59 | prot-work | ok |
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| 17:21.24 | prot-work | hmm, interesting |
| 17:21.39 | prot-work | this machine (7 years old) has multisample buffers |
| 17:22.23 | learnerAtWork | O2? |
| 17:22.35 | learnerAtWork | didn't they have them? |
| 17:22.55 | prot-work | onyx2 |
| 17:23.05 | learnerAtWork | ooo that's right |
| 17:23.14 | prot-work | but that means... |
| 17:23.22 | prot-work | if i set things up correctly, it'll do FSAA... |
| 17:24.12 | learnerAtWork | should be able to |
| 17:26.18 | learnerAtWork | ah, the good ol' days of sgi in their hayday |
| 17:26.29 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: Have you checked out the NT password cracker from "/."? |
| 17:34.44 | patlabor221 | we looked at one a while ago |
| 17:35.05 | patlabor221 | that's why we modified our password procedure to make it harder for those tools |
| 17:37.06 | JBDiGriz | The web site mentioned that Unix passwords could be cracked in a similar method, using 4096 times the memory or 4096 times the speed. |
| 17:37.27 | JBDiGriz | That works out to 6TB of table space, which is possible, but not probable yet. |
| 17:37.29 | patlabor221 | if somone REALY wants in to any system, they will get in |
| 17:37.40 | JBDiGriz | Or 15 days, which is more probable. |
| 17:38.12 | JBDiGriz | My problem was that the time specified is used to match the tables, not generate them, so I'm wondering if that's really accurate. |
| 17:38.52 | JBDiGriz | True, but part of my interest is to make it more difficult for them to get in! |
| 17:39.02 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:39.15 | patlabor221 | I know our network here is complete crap |
| 17:39.24 | patlabor221 | but that's cus our IS guy is a mororn |
| 17:39.25 | Chestal | I also read a short article about it and I didn't understand it. I guess the article didn't include the vital details |
| 17:39.57 | Chestal | why are there only so few possible hash values? |
| 17:40.09 | JBDiGriz | I'm probably going to change my recommended password procedure to include at least 1 or 2 non-alphanumeric characters, but I need to figure out how to make it easier for people to remember. |
| 17:40.28 | dougAtWork | stickys |
| 17:40.54 | patlabor221 | we require at 2 non alpha, and at least 1 number, and lenths of 7 14 or 21 |
| 17:41.22 | JBDiGriz | The salt is 16 bits attached to the header of the encrypted DES password. I don't recall the details of the algorithm right now, but it seems like it's time for a review. |
| 17:41.48 | JBDiGriz | I'm also not sure if it would affect the MD5 passwords as well. |
| 17:43.12 | Chestal | well, you'd have to udnerstand how this attack works in the first place |
| 17:45.16 | dougAtWork | we require A password :P but thats gonna change very soon |
| 17:46.33 | JBDiGriz | They don't publish a lot of the details, but it looks like they generate a number of possible matches based on the characteristics of the hash, and use that to limit the search space. |
| 17:47.21 | JBDiGriz | Hopefully, they will publish the method so that it can be fixed. |
| 17:47.28 | Chestal | hmm, shouldn't it be impossible to say anything about the possible matches when only seeing the hash? |
| 17:47.51 | JBDiGriz | It depends on the algorithm. |
| 17:48.09 | Chestal | but whatever, doesn't really apply to Unix anyway |
| 17:48.47 | Chestal | locally, you usually have shadow passwords |
| 17:48.47 | JBDiGriz | They claim that it does, it just takes more memory or time. That's why I was asking patlabor221 if he had tried it. |
| 17:48.58 | Chestal | when you have a NIS server, that#s insecure anyway:-) |
| 17:49.49 | Chestal | when you have setup a secure Unix authntication, noone will see the hashes |
| 17:49.49 | JBDiGriz | In a large installation, it's hard to maintain only local passwords. |
| 17:49.59 | Chestal | yes, but NISas is is insecure |
| 17:50.11 | Chestal | an authentication server needs to use some means of cryptography |
| 17:50.16 | Chestal | not sure how windows handles this |
| 17:50.24 | Chestal | there are other solutions which use a secure channel |
| 17:50.35 | patlabor221 | I'm not much into password hacking |
| 17:50.45 | Chestal | I don't know very much about it, but I am pretty sure that with NIS, it would be far easier to spoof the server than to attack the passwords |
| 17:51.58 | JBDiGriz | IPSec/IPV6 will help a lot, but who knows when it will be deployed. |
| 17:52.30 | dougAtWork | I read about this one guy who had his isp's dns servers hacked, and everything went through someones elses dns... then they setup proxys which sucked the passwords out. |
| 17:53.06 | dougAtWork | he noticed it when the ssh server changed its keys |
| 17:54.06 | prot-work | thats not too uncommon |
| 17:54.21 | prot-work | i've seen very similar attacks in some wargames i played with arp poisoning |
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| 17:55.00 | JBDiGriz | Were you doing the poisoning to grab your opponents packets? |
| 17:55.32 | prot-work | no |
| 17:55.49 | prot-work | opposing team set up poisoning + bogus sshd |
| 17:55.57 | dougAtWork | hmm, wargames... that sounds like fun |
| 17:56.27 | JBDiGriz | You should have received notices of the ARP change as well as the ssh change. |
| 17:56.48 | Noodleman | i wanna play some wargames, too :-) |
| 17:56.51 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: the only way to tell the arp change was to look at the arp tables |
| 17:57.11 | prot-work | but we had set it up so it would fail on a key mismatch |
| 17:57.25 | dougAtWork | "Wouldn't you like to play a nice game of chess?" |
| 17:57.46 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I usually get a notice if the table MAC address changes, although I don't recall if it came from the kernel or a daemon. |
| 17:58.23 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: have to look at the tables with `arp` |
| 17:59.03 | JBDiGriz | Noodleman: I had friends who used to play these wargames too for fun, but soon realized that the person who took over the machine console first was the winner. |
| 17:59.09 | dougAtWork | lol |
| 17:59.14 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 17:59.18 | dougAtWork | lock the server up |
| 17:59.27 | dougAtWork | and disable vnc :) |
| 17:59.52 | JBDiGriz | it had everyone running for the machine room when it started, and then stopped because it wasn't fun anymore. |
| 18:06.15 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I don't see the message in the kernel from grepping through the sources. I'll play around with it again at home. The second thing to go is the memory! |
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| 18:08.31 | dougAtWork | and then the hard drives |
| 18:20.14 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: well - it depends on the game |
| 18:20.27 | prot-work | the one in question was where each team got a box with no local access |
| 18:23.07 | JBDiGriz | My friends were doing this on an ad-hoc basis. Ground rules would have helped a lot! |
| 18:23.58 | prot-work | yeah, i remember some ad-hoc open-root games my friends and i did |
| 18:24.02 | prot-work | degenerated quickly |
| 18:41.18 | bryjen | whooops.... ServerListCache.cxx:174:30: no newline at end of file |
| 18:46.23 | bryjen | And what's so exciting about "depth buffer callback!" that its printing to stdout ? ;) |
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| 19:08.36 | Michaelh | which pyopengl thingee do I want for windows? |
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| 19:55.27 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: I like the additions to the FAQ thread. We need to add the answer for "What is pybzflag?" |
| 19:55.36 | patlabor221 | ahh that we do. |
| 19:55.53 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: The spelling FAQ is outrageously funny, well done!!!!!! |
| 19:56.25 | JBDiGriz | You have also stated the ultimate truth and answer in the last one. "And as a general rule, if you have to ask to be an admin, you should not be an admin" |
| 19:57.01 | patlabor221 | the "nope, thanks for pointing it out" ? one? |
| 19:57.39 | JBDiGriz | Nope, that's your quote appended, and I agree with the sentiment. |
| 19:58.44 | patlabor221 | there added pybzflag |
| 20:01.17 | JBDiGriz | But now the one I really like isn't the last one! ;-) |
| 20:02.05 | patlabor221 | there |
| 20:02.10 | patlabor221 | now shuddddap :) |
| 20:17.02 | prot-work | wow |
| 20:17.07 | prot-work | bzbb -really- doesn't like ns4 |
| 20:17.16 | patlabor221 | ns4? |
| 20:17.24 | patlabor221 | ohh netscape |
| 20:17.28 | patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 20:17.50 | prot-work | doesn't show the thread at all |
| 20:17.53 | prot-work | just the surrounding stuff |
| 20:18.09 | patlabor221 | eww |
| 20:18.23 | patlabor221 | is NS4 css capable? |
| 20:36.52 | prot-work | a little |
| 20:40.26 | patlabor221 | that may be the problem, I know phpbb uses a lot of style sheet stuff |
| 20:41.39 | fiberchunks | yah, ns4 is not really supported by phpbb :\ |
| 20:43.51 | patlabor221 | fiber I added rule 18 |
| 20:44.08 | patlabor221 | 18) Give all admins pie when they ask for it. |
| 20:46.59 | bryjen | Mmmmmm, pie |
| 20:47.48 | dougAtWork | Mmmm, I discovered apple pie in the lunchroom today :) |
| 20:50.35 | JBDiGriz | ~pi |
| 20:50.36 | | it has been said that pi is 3.141592653589793238462643383279502884197169399375105820974944592307816406286208998628034825342117067982148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128481117450284102701938521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233786783165271201909145648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273724587006606315588174881520920962829254091 |
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| 20:58.04 | Noodleman | NS4 is of the devil |
| 20:58.21 | Noodleman | IE is to an extent |
| 20:58.30 | Noodleman | just in different ways |
| 20:58.56 | david_v | NS is dead now anyway... |
| 20:59.39 | david_v | try Opera :) |
| 21:00.00 | patlabor221 | I don't think he has a choice, he's probalbly on an SGI or something like that. |
| 21:00.00 | Noodleman | go to http://www.noodleroni.com/ using opera or IE |
| 21:00.07 | Noodleman | it's kinda funny |
| 21:00.20 | patlabor221 | wow man you are so very whitty |
| 21:00.44 | Noodleman | yes, if i do think so myself |
| 21:00.47 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 21:01.23 | Noodleman | it's history was under reconstruction, therefore very buggy |
| 21:01.38 | patlabor221 | also the mouse wheel dosn't work |
| 21:01.43 | Noodleman | but it's more stable than just about anything else now |
| 21:01.59 | Noodleman | which version did you use last? |
| 21:02.02 | patlabor221 | feels like beta code to me |
| 21:02.03 | david_v | patlabor221: in Mozilla? |
| 21:02.08 | patlabor221 | firebird |
| 21:02.11 | david_v | oh |
| 21:02.13 | patlabor221 | from about 2 days ago |
| 21:02.15 | Noodleman | everything works perfectly for me |
| 21:02.23 | Noodleman | but i don't usually use firebird |
| 21:02.25 | patlabor221 | full mozilla is to clunky and slow |
| 21:02.29 | Noodleman | it IS beta code |
| 21:02.42 | patlabor221 | firebird is fast, it's nice |
| 21:02.52 | Noodleman | yeah, i use it on my old laptop |
| 21:03.06 | patlabor221 | I would add code to it if I coudl actualy FIND the code |
| 21:03.15 | Noodleman | heh |
| 21:03.19 | david_v | hmm :) |
| 21:03.31 | patlabor221 | the firebird code is buried way down in the mozilla tree |
| 21:03.54 | patlabor221 | damn thing won't open a png ether |
| 21:04.14 | Noodleman | are you using a nightky or a release? |
| 21:04.21 | patlabor221 | a nightly |
| 21:04.27 | patlabor221 | the release was worse |
| 21:04.39 | Noodleman | that's funny |
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| 21:15.13 | Bagheera | works fine for me |
| 21:15.53 | Bagheera | mozilla that is, not firebird |
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| 21:32.44 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ServerListCache.cxx): No newline at end of file - don't compile with -Werror |
| 21:33.07 | Tupone | probably we should just remove -Werror on Makefile's |
| 21:33.54 | Chestal | uhm |
| 21:34.09 | Chestal | no newlien at end of file is an error :-) |
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| 21:34.16 | Chestal | but I dont seem to have -Werror here |
| 21:34.28 | Chestal | I got several warnings in the WordFilter, but it still compiled |
| 21:34.46 | Tupone | I configured with -enable-debug |
| 21:35.02 | Tupone | to debug, and this enable -Werror |
| 21:35.47 | Chestal | ah, ok |
| 21:35.53 | prot-work | -Werror stays |
| 21:36.01 | Chestal | who is doign the WordFilter btw.? |
| 21:36.07 | patlabor221 | just fix the files that don't have the newline |
| 21:36.08 | prot-work | gcc's warnings actually mean something |
| 21:36.12 | prot-work | Chestal: learnerAtWork is |
| 21:36.19 | Chestal | those warnign sabout usign char as array index should probably be taken seriously |
| 21:37.26 | Tupone | for MinGW32 there are a lot of warning, about #pragma warning (this is a MS-VC specific pragma I suppose) |
| 21:39.07 | patlabor221 | so fix it so it's only called for VC |
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| 21:54.09 | Chikorita | heloo |
| 21:54.17 | Chikorita | peeps |
| 21:54.27 | Chikorita | :) |
| 21:55.19 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 21:55.27 | learnerAtWork | hi! |
| 21:55.49 | Chikorita | hey L |
| 21:55.52 | Chikorita | ! |
| 21:55.55 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 21:55.58 | Chikorita | umm |
| 21:56.11 | Chikorita | sum peeps on ducati wanna match us |
| 21:56.22 | Chikorita | interested? or 2 bizzy? |
| 21:56.32 | Chikorita | r u @werk? |
| 21:56.35 | learnerAtWork | can't .. at work still |
| 21:56.35 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 21:56.37 | learnerAtWork | yea |
| 21:56.40 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 21:56.55 | learnerAtWork | who? spiff? |
| 21:56.59 | Chikorita | ensign = asdf |
| 21:57.06 | learnerAtWork | ah, mkay |
| 21:57.13 | Chikorita | ya TAF an also TDS wanna play us |
| 21:57.26 | Chikorita | calico went 2 look 4 sum hiz teamies |
| 21:57.30 | Chikorita | tuff teams |
| 21:57.34 | learnerAtWork | I see |
| 21:57.36 | Chikorita | buh i in a good mood ums :) |
| 21:57.42 | Chikorita | i was playin good jus now |
| 21:57.46 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 21:57.49 | learnerAtWork | :) |
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| 22:10.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 22:11.09 | Chikorita | gtg 2 a match , bbl |
| 22:23.02 | Noodleman | check this out, it's gotta be only about 10-20 miles away |
| 22:23.09 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/wildfire1.jpg |
| 22:23.11 | Noodleman | http://www.noodleroni.com/wildfire2.jpg |
| 22:24.38 | learnerAtWork | Oh |
| 22:24.44 | learnerAtWork | That's just me cooking dinner |
| 22:24.47 | learnerAtWork | Lemme put that out |
| 22:25.48 | patlabor221 | Fiberchunks, we got a bug with quick repy |
| 22:25.56 | patlabor221 | it lets you post in locked topics |
| 22:27.05 | bryjen | TimRiker: FYI, some comment about the xmission server: http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=885 |
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| 22:35.06 | bryjen | Email? |
| 22:35.13 | patlabor221 | yeah |
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| 22:35.29 | patlabor221 | it's not like his mail addy isn't in the description of the server |
| 22:35.32 | bryjen | Like maybe that's why he put his address in the server comment? ;) |
| 22:35.38 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:35.59 | patlabor221 | it's not like it's rocket science :) |
| 22:36.52 | patlabor221 | but I'll bet someone will say "but sending email is 'hard'" |
| 22:38.26 | bryjen | and Tim's address is too complicated to remember while switching from BZ to your email app. ;) |
| 22:38.37 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:38.56 | patlabor221 | the parts that are a @ a . and 'org' are just too hard |
| 22:39.06 | patlabor221 | considerng the rest is his NAME |
| 22:39.31 | bryjen | maybe.... |
| 22:39.33 | patlabor221 | no no, it's a rock |
| 22:39.41 | patlabor221 | it's just not giving me the blood |
| 22:40.06 | patlabor221 | I have to use a turnip? |
| 22:40.08 | patlabor221 | damn |
| 22:40.11 | doughecka | you know you cant get blood from a turnip |
| 22:40.26 | Noodleman | getting blood from beets is easier |
| 22:40.34 | bryjen | didn't you just fall off that wagon? |
| 22:40.38 | patlabor221 | still that topic got to a full page before anyone sugested to just mail him |
| 22:42.03 | patlabor221 | I think everyone gets that way sometimes |
| 22:42.30 | learnerAtWork | obvious? dead horse? shot who? |
| 22:42.47 | bryjen | The sherrif? |
| 22:42.47 | JBDiGriz | This is a good place for getting hit over the head. I know it's meant in good humor. |
| 22:43.20 | patlabor221 | no no, don't shoot him, that'll just make him angry |
| 22:43.31 | JBDiGriz | Mongo, Santa Maria! |
| 22:43.39 | bryjen | Trout. Ahhh, that's what that smell was. |
| 22:43.53 | patlabor221 | "no no.. mongo straight" |
| 22:44.08 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 22:45.03 | bryjen | har |
| 22:45.37 | JBDiGriz | Candygram for Mongo, candygram for Mongo! |
| 22:47.22 | bryjen | Mmmmm, candy. |
| 22:47.52 | learnerAtWork | Mmmm.. mango |
| 22:48.37 | patlabor221 | I was wondein when somone would do that |
| 22:50.54 | learnerAtWork | go home or go eat? |
| 22:51.28 | JBDiGriz | I think bryjen opened the candygram. ;-) |
| 22:51.49 | patlabor221 | say mmmm mongo |
| 22:52.49 | patlabor221 | damn where is fiber |
| 22:58.15 | patlabor221 | blueberry is better |
| 22:58.31 | learnerAtWork | Mmm.. grapenuts |
| 22:58.41 | JBDiGriz | You wanted fiber. |
| 22:58.56 | patlabor221 | you can still make it with bran right? |
| 22:59.16 | patlabor221 | we have a php bug on the board, and I dono how to fix it |
| 22:59.59 | learnerAtWork | rm -rf / works pretty good for most bugs |
| 23:00.20 | patlabor221 | well then no board :) |
| 23:00.27 | learnerAtWork | and no bug :) |
| 23:00.33 | patlabor221 | QR is allowing posts to locked topics |
| 23:00.50 | learnerAtWork | really?? <evil grin> |
| 23:00.53 | patlabor221 | even tho the button says "locked" |
| 23:01.15 | patlabor221 | it's ok, I will just delete them, and add to your "shitlist" |
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| 23:01.22 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 23:01.29 | Chikorita | heh |
| 23:01.35 | learnerAtWork | I have a "shitlist"? :) |
| 23:01.44 | patlabor221 | everyone doe |
| 23:01.49 | patlabor221 | it's universal |
| 23:01.50 | Chikorita | a to-do-poo list ;) |
| 23:01.55 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 23:01.58 | Chikorita | heh |
| 23:02.06 | learnerAtWork | I have a mime :) |
| 23:02.24 | Chikorita | :) mime i have a |
| 23:02.30 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 23:02.33 | Chikorita | i jus silly |
| 23:02.47 | learnerAtWork | you makin fun of my heh's chika? |
| 23:02.58 | Chikorita | heh |
| 23:03.03 | Chikorita | no i say heh all da time 2 |
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| 23:03.16 | Chikorita | heh iz half a heehe 2 mee |
| 23:03.22 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 23:03.22 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 23:03.26 | Chikorita | hi orchid |
| 23:03.30 | orchid | hello |
| 23:03.44 | learnerAtWork | g'mornin orchid |
| 23:04.06 | Chikorita | "wen u say goodbye , i say hello" |
| 23:04.13 | Chikorita | i like da song itz in mee head now |
| 23:04.22 | Chikorita | lol learner/orchid |
| 23:04.51 | Chikorita | aww |
| 23:04.56 | learnerLeaving | :) |
| 23:05.02 | Chikorita | goin home? |
| 23:05.07 | Chikorita | u werk late |
| 23:05.18 | learnerLeaving | going to the gym first |
| 23:05.19 | patlabor221 | identity issues there learner? |
| 23:05.23 | Chikorita | hey guess wut |
| 23:05.29 | learnerLeaving | wut |
| 23:05.36 | patlabor221 | or just exploring your feminin side? |
| 23:05.48 | Chikorita | i was helpin test ar$e new ctf server map |
| 23:05.48 | Chikorita | itz weally kewl |
| 23:05.57 | Chikorita | it has disco floor lites no joke |
| 23:06.01 | Chikorita | i dunno how he did it |
| 23:06.11 | bzg | :) |
| 23:06.13 | learnerLeaving | heh |
| 23:06.21 | Chikorita | i guess he put da purple field ontop of da green field an made it flashy |
| 23:06.46 | Chikorita | itz a 1 shot server too |
| 23:07.04 | Chikorita | buh i told him dat GM iz tooo powerful on a 1 shot server |
| 23:07.38 | Chikorita | dunt u agree? |
| 23:07.49 | Chikorita | anywayzzz |
| 23:07.57 | bzg | gm is ok if theres lots of places to hide |
| 23:08.10 | bzg | and stealth and SW to take him out |
| 23:08.11 | Chikorita | no his map iz open field |
| 23:08.22 | Chikorita | ST an SW r dere tho |
| 23:08.59 | Chikorita | dere iz no where 2 hide xcept in da disco room in da middle of da field |
| 23:09.07 | Chikorita | buh it getz really bouncy in there |
| 23:09.14 | Chikorita | cuz of da rico |
| 23:09.17 | Chikorita | :P |
| 23:09.45 | Chikorita | anywayzz |
| 23:09.52 | Chikorita | how iz every1 ? |
| 23:10.05 | bzg | im ok, how bout you? |
| 23:10.11 | Chikorita | im good |
| 23:10.24 | Chikorita | imma go c LXG again tonite |
| 23:10.34 | Chikorita | it was such a good movie i tho |
| 23:10.48 | Noodleman | can't you speak english instead of AOLese? |
| 23:10.58 | Chikorita | cuz da first time i saw it wee missed da first 20 minutes cuz mah g/f she was slowww |
| 23:11.08 | bzg | i was asked to got to the Stones/AC-DC concert next week |
| 23:11.16 | learnerLeaving | coo |
| 23:11.21 | bzg | 500,000 people! |
| 23:11.27 | Chikorita | wow |
| 23:11.31 | bzg | im not gonna go tho |
| 23:11.36 | Chikorita | good bands |
| 23:11.39 | Chikorita | y? |
| 23:11.59 | bzg | nah, i dont really like either one a whole lot, theyre ok, but not my faves |
| 23:12.24 | Chikorita | ya dey r ok , buh stil.. |
| 23:12.37 | Chikorita | stones arent gettin any younger LoL |
| 23:12.41 | bzg | yeah, well i have until monday to decide |
| 23:12.54 | bzg | heh, theyre like 60 now! |
| 23:12.57 | Chikorita | micky jagger dances funny |
| 23:13.03 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 23:13.08 | learnerLeaving | heh |
| 23:13.45 | Chikorita | hmm last concert i went 2 was a garbage concert |
| 23:13.51 | Chikorita | no wait .. |
| 23:14.20 | Chikorita | o yea i went to da puddle of mudd concert in da spring |
| 23:14.52 | bzg | i like them |
| 23:15.49 | Chikorita | yea i have their cd |
| 23:16.42 | bzg | id like to see all the bzflag players music collections :) |
| 23:16.49 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 23:16.55 | Chikorita | i like all kindsa music |
| 23:16.59 | bzg | then id like to download them ;-) |
| 23:17.02 | Chikorita | xcept umm |
| 23:17.10 | Chikorita | certain rap stuff an jazz |
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| 23:17.22 | Chikorita | dmx rox! heehe |
| 23:17.29 | Chikorita | he iz such a tuff guy heehe |
| 23:18.07 | Chikorita | dey play country msci all da time at mah werk place :P |
| 23:18.19 | Chikorita | i didnt like it at first buh now i got used 2 uit |
| 23:18.32 | Chikorita | music* |
| 23:19.33 | bzg | i used to hate country untill i drove across canada once, it seemd "right" listening to it on am radio |
| 23:19.45 | learnerLeaving | music collections, that is |
| 23:20.05 | learnerLeaving | lol, bzg |
| 23:20.20 | bzg | learnerLeaving: because it intrests me what other people deem good music |
| 23:20.30 | bzg | same for books etc |
| 23:20.33 | learnerLeaving | heh |
| 23:20.59 | Chikorita | techno music makes mee drive better |
| 23:21.00 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 23:21.30 | Chikorita | an sumtimes i listen 2 classical music cuz it calms mee |
| 23:21.37 | Chikorita | enya tooo |
| 23:21.48 | Chikorita | o i listen to all kindsa stuff really |
| 23:21.58 | bzg | techno's great for bz |
| 23:22.05 | Chikorita | lol yup |
| 23:22.25 | learnerLeaving | I usually prefer to groove on evanescense or delerium when I'm tankin' (haven't tried techno yet) |
| 23:22.29 | Chikorita | my friend gave mee da Matrix soundtrack it rox! |
| 23:22.37 | bzg | you get into a freaky killing spree :) |
| 23:22.48 | Chikorita | an so duz da Mortal combat soundtrack he gave mee |
| 23:22.55 | Chikorita | LoL bzg |
| 23:25.56 | Chikorita | u kno wut |
| 23:26.35 | Chikorita | i reallly wanna get dat 1 song dat garbage did for da james bond soundtrack |
| 23:26.44 | Chikorita | "da world iz not enuff" |
| 23:26.50 | Chikorita | omg i luv dat song |
| 23:26.52 | learnerLeaving | that's a great song |
| 23:26.57 | learnerLeaving | one of my most played |
| 23:27.06 | Chikorita | mmm hmm |
| 23:27.17 | Chikorita | gimme dat WaV learner |
| 23:27.18 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 23:27.21 | Chikorita | j/k |
| 23:27.33 | Chikorita | i'll find it sumwherez |
| 23:37.58 | bzg | what does "single byte players" mean in the network overhaul on 1.91a? |
| 23:38.33 | patlabor221 | how we send the playerID |
| 23:38.42 | patlabor221 | it was a larger number |
| 23:38.45 | patlabor221 | saves data |
| 23:39.11 | patlabor221 | since it is doubtfull that a server will host 4 billion players at a time |
| 23:39.18 | learnerLeaving | lol |
| 23:39.30 | bzg | oh ok, and less data is good for the server's overhead right? |
| 23:39.31 | learnerLeaving | hey, I was just planning on hosting that |
| 23:39.37 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:39.48 | patlabor221 | with a byte you can host 255 players per server |
| 23:39.50 | learnerLeaving | good for network too |
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| 23:40.30 | bzg | Chikorita: you still play that Wolfinstien game? |
| 23:42.12 | patlabor221 | hmmm current CVS does not like to quit with alt+F4, kills the window but leaves the process |
| 23:42.40 | Chikorita | oops sowee i was chattin wif L |
| 23:43.29 | Chikorita | no i stil havin probs wif it buh i wil try 2 re'download it from a different source maybee |
| 23:43.49 | Chikorita | i think da source i d/l from wasnt good |
| 23:43.54 | patlabor221 | what problems are you having? |
| 23:43.57 | Chikorita | maybee had sum bugz in it |
| 23:43.59 | patlabor221 | did it not extact? |
| 23:44.03 | Chikorita | it did |
| 23:44.05 | Chikorita | buh |
| 23:44.07 | Chikorita | umm |
| 23:44.26 | patlabor221 | if it extracted and installed then the DL was good |
| 23:44.33 | patlabor221 | if it won't run then there is some other issue |
| 23:44.41 | Chikorita | yea it didnt run |
| 23:44.50 | patlabor221 | what video card do you have? |
| 23:44.59 | Chikorita | had trubble in da opening console |
| 23:45.08 | Chikorita | ATI sumtin sumtin |
| 23:45.14 | Chikorita | lemme c , h/o |
| 23:45.16 | patlabor221 | yeah problaby couln't init the renderer |
| 23:45.20 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 23:45.22 | patlabor221 | eww ATI |
| 23:45.25 | Chikorita | :P |
| 23:45.29 | Chikorita | yea i kno i kno |
| 23:45.31 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 23:45.34 | patlabor221 | well get the latest directX and the latest drivers from ATI |
| 23:45.41 | Chikorita | k |
| 23:45.43 | patlabor221 | unless you have like a rage or a mobility |
| 23:45.47 | patlabor221 | then just don't even tryu |
| 23:45.54 | learnerLeaving | heh |
| 23:46.11 | patlabor221 | your on XP right? |
| 23:46.16 | Chikorita | ya xp |
| 23:46.33 | patlabor221 | go to windows update and get directX 9.0a |
| 23:46.43 | patlabor221 | then install that, then install the current drivers |
| 23:46.47 | Chikorita | i have both a rage an mobility :( :( |
| 23:46.50 | Chikorita | dum laptop |
| 23:46.55 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 23:47.03 | patlabor221 | yeah that's not gonna run it well at all |
| 23:47.13 | patlabor221 | it a dell? |
| 23:47.22 | Chikorita | compaq |
| 23:47.26 | bzg | cu learnerLeaving |
| 23:47.27 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:47.34 | patlabor221 | no upgrade for you then :( |
| 23:47.39 | Chikorita | nope |
| 23:47.42 | Chikorita | o wel |
| 23:47.44 | Chikorita | :) |
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