| 00:00.08 | learner | which lang is that? |
| 00:00.56 | fiberchunks | germal |
| 00:00.59 | fiberchunks | german, even |
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| 01:32.14 | captain_proton | TimRiker: any news on the dinah front? |
| 01:34.48 | TimRiker | captain_proton: nope. |
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| 02:01.51 | MrApathyCream | so was theServerId thing the shaketime problem? |
| 02:03.19 | captain_proton | no |
| 02:03.27 | MrApathyCream | st still exists? |
| 02:04.13 | MrApathyCream | i think |
| 02:04.15 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.15 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:04.18 | MrApathyCream | were borken too |
| 02:04.57 | captain_proton | howso |
| 02:05.18 | MrApathyCream | angular was something like 2xe-44 or something |
| 02:05.21 | MrApathyCream | linear was 0 |
| 02:05.32 | captain_proton | so both 0? :) |
| 02:05.42 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 02:05.44 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 02:05.53 | MrApathyCream | someone added WordFilter.h to bzfs.cxx |
| 02:06.03 | MrApathyCream | (even tho it's not used) |
| 02:06.12 | MrApathyCream | and now win32 doesn't build |
| 02:06.14 | MrApathyCream | unknown regex.h |
| 02:06.24 | MrApathyCream | /me removes till fixed |
| 02:06.46 | learner | yea, MAC -- sry bout that |
| 02:06.59 | MrApathyCream | ah, it IS used |
| 02:07.03 | MrApathyCream | rats |
| 02:07.07 | learner | :) |
| 02:07.13 | learner | go ahead and remove it |
| 02:07.30 | fiberchunks | what's the name of the server that /msg <somename> help will tell you about ignore and all that jazz? |
| 02:07.31 | MrApathyCream | unless filter_t isn't |
| 02:07.33 | learner | someone has an autoconf check for regex that'll get things good later |
| 02:08.04 | captain_proton | learner: windows doesn't use autoconf ;-) |
| 02:08.18 | learner | eek, really? |
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| 02:08.36 | learner | mkay, I'll put a compile-time fix in now |
| 02:08.43 | learner | gimme a few |
| 02:08.56 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 02:09.12 | fiberchunks | learner> who is learner on aol? is that you? |
| 02:09.22 | learner | learner on aol?? |
| 02:10.08 | fiberchunks | indeed -- I thought it was you :) whoopsy |
| 02:10.30 | fiberchunks | heh, I keep typing to this character and he's like what? who? where? ;) |
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| 02:11.19 | learner | do you mean aim, my aim account is "that other name I use" |
| 02:11.38 | learner | hardly ever have it on, though |
| 02:11.58 | fiberchunks | that 'other name you use'? |
| 02:12.23 | fiberchunks | ah, well then I'll just delete you >:) |
| 02:12.32 | learner | heh |
| 02:15.57 | MrApathyCream | so cappy, any clue, then, on -st? |
| 02:16.15 | MrApathyCream | other than general cruftiness? |
| 02:19.10 | MrApathyCream | *sigh*, i guess cappy is off eating py |
| 02:19.21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: no clue :P |
| 02:19.32 | captain_proton | its got the correct value, seems to be packing the correct value into the buffer |
| 02:19.39 | captain_proton | then when i do a packet capture, its got garbage |
| 02:19.44 | MrApathyCream | the old fist, i knew would have solved it by now |
| 02:19.54 | MrApathyCream | *sniff* |
| 02:20.20 | MrApathyCream | garbage on the bzfs side? |
| 02:23.19 | captain_proton | bzfs side seems good =/ |
| 02:23.38 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 02:23.59 | captain_proton | except the packet capture isn't :P |
| 02:24.01 | MrApathyCream | i agree with you, it does suffer from cruftiness |
| 02:27.25 | MrApathyCream | learner: http://people.delphiforums.com/gjc/gnu_regex.html |
| 02:27.33 | MrApathyCream | (for win32 possibly) |
| 02:28.22 | MrApathyCream | now that's a funny |
| 02:28.22 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/nobull.wmv |
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| 02:30.00 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): added compile-time directives for non-regexp systems; separated out character alphanumeric checking |
| 02:30.01 | learner | give that a try |
| 02:30.50 | learner | I looked at gnu regexp.. it had a couple issues |
| 02:31.11 | learner | Perhaps sometime later I'll give it another glance later (or someone else is welcome too) |
| 02:31.42 | learner | but it simply wouldn't match anything (and I didn't investigate as to why) |
| 02:31.53 | learner | it was also noticeably much slower |
| 02:33.46 | MrApathyCream | learner: #include <stdint.h> too :) |
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| 02:34.00 | learner | stdint! ugh |
| 02:35.23 | MrApathyCream | learner: also can't initialize const members inside the class |
| 02:35.28 | MrApathyCream | must be outside |
| 02:35.37 | MrApathyCream | (MAX_FILTERS) |
| 02:35.49 | MrApathyCream | (MAX_WORDS) |
| 02:36.43 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): removed stdint.h |
| 02:37.21 | MrApathyCream | just define them in the class, and in the cxx, do the initialization |
| 02:38.39 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): moved static constants external to class |
| 02:39.19 | learner | that's add -- why doesn't it allow in-class init or static const int? |
| 02:39.27 | learner | s/or/of/ |
| 02:39.47 | MrApathyCream | i think it gets confused that your trying to define pure virtual "= 0" |
| 02:39.50 | learner | I don't recall msvc++ doing that |
| 02:40.17 | MrApathyCream | i think this was originaly in c++ standard, probably has been changed since then |
| 02:40.25 | MrApathyCream | and msvc hasn't kept up |
| 02:41.24 | learner | afaik, static const int's have been a part of the standard since it was standardized (floats, on the other hand are another story) |
| 02:41.40 | learner | could be wrong though -- doesn't matter |
| 02:43.15 | MrApathyCream | i just don't think you used to be able to initialize variables in the class itself in the beginning |
| 02:43.54 | learner | *shrug* |
| 02:44.04 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 02:44.25 | learner | hey, which pure virtual?? i don't recall using any pure virtual dust bunnies in there.. |
| 02:45.02 | MrApathyCream | you didn't but i think msvc saw |
| 02:45.23 | MrApathyCream | MAX_FILTERS = 256; |
| 02:45.30 | MrApathyCream | and thought you were doing MAX_FILTERS = 0; |
| 02:45.40 | MrApathyCream | (pure virtual) |
| 02:45.43 | MrApathyCream | i think it gets confused on that |
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| 02:47.12 | learner | eh? it's an int, not a method/function |
| 02:47.33 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (common.h): need strncasecmp defined for win32 |
| 02:48.55 | learner | and UINT8_MAX should have been 255, not 256 |
| 02:49.11 | learner | if it was defined and zero... |
| 02:49.28 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): don't reuse for loop vars |
| 02:49.34 | MrApathyCream | learner: yes, not a function, msvc gets confused |
| 02:50.06 | learner | so am I, but that's okay :) |
| 02:50.46 | MrApathyCream | e:\bz\bz_cvs\bzflag\src\common\wordfilter.cxx(704) : error C2440: 'initializing' : cannot convert from 'class std::_Tree<struct WordFilter::filter,struct WordFilter::filter,struct std::set<struct WordFilter::filter,struct WordFilter::expressionCompa |
| 02:50.47 | MrApathyCream | re,class std::allocator<struct WordFilter::filter> >::_Kfn,struct WordFilter::expressionCompare,class std::allocator<struct WordFilter::filter> >::const_iterator' to 'class std::_Tree<struct WordFilter::filter,struct WordFilter::filter,struct std::s |
| 02:50.47 | MrApathyCream | et<struct WordFilter::filter,struct WordFilter::expressionCompare,class std::allocator<struct WordFilter::filter> >::_Kfn,struct WordFilter::expressionCompare,class std::allocator<struct WordFilter::filter> >::iterator' |
| 02:50.50 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:57.18 | bryjen | ~seen Noodleman |
| 02:57.18 | | bryjen: i haven't seen 'noodleman ' |
| 02:57.28 | Noodleman | m00, bryjen |
| 02:58.08 | Noodleman | my provider's provider is having problems, if that's what you are asking |
| 02:58.42 | learner | MAC, any suggestions on that one? I don't see why it's complaining about a const iterator |
| 02:59.14 | MrApathyCream | lessee |
| 02:59.36 | MrApathyCream | fixing.... one sec |
| 03:00.29 | MrApathyCream | hmm, why the '\' at the ends of the lines? |
| 03:00.36 | MrApathyCream | never saw that... |
| 03:00.41 | MrApathyCream | vc doesn't complain tho |
| 03:01.04 | learner | it's line continuation |
| 03:01.15 | learner | all concat to a single line after preprocessing |
| 03:04.53 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): use const_iterators since the methods are defined as const |
| 03:05.13 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (common.dsp): add WordFilter to common.dsp |
| 03:05.24 | MrApathyCream | learner: ya, obviously i've seen it in scripts, just not c++ source |
| 03:05.39 | learner | ah, ok |
| 03:06.03 | MrApathyCream | what's the point there? |
| 03:06.32 | MrApathyCream | common.lib(WordFilter.obj) : error LNK2005: "bool __cdecl isAlphanumeric(char)" (?isAlphanumeric@@YA_ND@Z) already defined in bzfs.obj |
| 03:06.34 | MrApathyCream | ..\src\bzfs\debug/bzfs.exe : fatal error LNK1169: one or more multiply defined symbols found |
| 03:06.56 | MrApathyCream | ah , needs inlining |
| 03:06.57 | MrApathyCream | fixing |
| 03:07.35 | learner | not if you saw how many cpu cycles it ends up chewing on, scanline |
| 03:07.45 | scanline | why should that matter? |
| 03:07.46 | learner | and more importantly .. how much memory |
| 03:08.02 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): procs in headers need to be inline to avoid dup links |
| 03:08.22 | scanline | you could have it generate a regex that matches all the bad word combinations on startup, then just have the regex engine that's already written in optimized C to process it |
| 03:08.39 | learner | that's what it does |
| 03:09.17 | learner | MAC, why was it getting multiple defined symbols for isAlpha? |
| 03:09.48 | learner | inline just makes it go away.. it shouldn't be multiple defined, though.. hrm |
| 03:09.49 | scanline | so why would it be slower if it was written in a higher level language? |
| 03:13.13 | learner | is it kosher to throw in inline defines? I don't see mention of it in DEVINFO |
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| 03:14.55 | Michaelh | yo captain, what should I call teh server cache thingee? |
| 03:15.05 | Michaelh | ServerCache, ServerItemCache ? |
| 03:16.10 | learner | is it a cache of items or of servers? |
| 03:16.12 | scanline | learner: a lot of people just assume things will be slow language even when more than 90% of the CPU time is spent in library functions written in C |
| 03:16.25 | scanline | s/slow language/slow in a slow language/ |
| 03:16.32 | Michaelh | it's a cache of ServerItem's :) |
| 03:16.58 | learner | scanline: age old argument, and I agree (mostly) |
| 03:17.16 | learner | the filter is that core piece that would get written in C, though |
| 03:17.35 | scanline | I thought you said all the matching was already done by regexes? |
| 03:18.20 | scanline | and even if it isn't already, it could be written so that you have a giant regex doing all the matching |
| 03:18.23 | learner | it does a bit more than that, but the core match for the agressive filter is done via regexps eventually |
| 03:18.42 | learner | hehe, I tried that |
| 03:18.47 | learner | ran out of memory real fast |
| 03:18.59 | scanline | well, python has a better regex engine than glibc |
| 03:19.02 | learner | the expression for a single word is already about 512 chars uncompiled |
| 03:19.12 | scanline | you can use it as a flex replacement really :) |
| 03:19.13 | learner | i'm not using glibc |
| 03:19.29 | learner | gnu's regexp library was horribly slow |
| 03:19.41 | learner | linux users may be using it, though |
| 03:19.58 | scanline | which one are you using? |
| 03:21.07 | learner | libSystem |
| 03:21.33 | learner | (apple optimized C lib) |
| 03:23.01 | scanline | mmheh... |
| 03:23.23 | learner | the individual regexp's are pretty cool though -- they're "big" |
| 03:23.43 | scanline | would be interesting to see how fast and small a word filter done in python could be... |
| 03:24.03 | learner | I'm relying on intelligent regcomp, which is probably wishful thinking |
| 03:25.47 | learner | scanline: I'd love to see a python filter that does exactly the same thing (feature/match-wise) |
| 03:26.32 | scanline | i'm curious how well python's regex engine would perform on such a giant regex |
| 03:26.49 | learner | WordFilter.h has all the feature details if you decide to hack at it |
| 03:27.06 | learner | or I can just give you a regex or two to try |
| 03:27.33 | scanline | well, python's regex engine has a lot of extensions this could probably use |
| 03:28.01 | scanline | for example could make named groups for all the subexpressions that could match against one characterr |
| 03:28.03 | scanline | er, character |
| 03:28.58 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:29.11 | captain_proton | i think i've managed to fix my wireless mouse to the point where it works well enough to use |
| 03:29.41 | Michaelh | captain what do you think the name of the cache class should be? |
| 03:30.00 | captain_proton | ServerListCache? |
| 03:30.13 | Michaelh | you want a .h and a .cxx class? |
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| 03:31.09 | captain_proton | sounds good |
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| 04:05.55 | learner | cap or tim, any comments on usage of the "inline" keyword? |
| 04:06.29 | Michaelh | if I put #include "menus.h" in another header file, is it not guaranteed to put all the menus stuff in? |
| 04:07.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Viewport.py): Set the glClearColor back to black |
| 04:07.50 | Michaelh | I'm getting undeclared identifier errors -- |
| 04:08.56 | Michaelh | my #include "menus.h" doesn't seem to do just that |
| 04:10.04 | captain_proton | i don't think menus.h has all the class defs |
| 04:11.58 | Michaelh | I only need ServerItem -- that one is in it for sure |
| 04:43.30 | fiberchunks | ~d |
| 04:43.48 | fiberchunks | ~xmission |
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| 05:10.00 | MrApathyCream | learner the .h is included in two cxx, so two versions |
| 05:13.16 | learner | oh really? hmm What's the other? |
| 05:13.39 | MrApathyCream | bzfs.cxx and WordFilter.cxx |
| 05:14.01 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: what's the point of this? |
| 05:14.02 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.03 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:14.12 | MrApathyCream | (WorldBuilder::unpack |
| 05:14.20 | learner | ah... yes, thx mac |
| 05:14.21 | MrApathyCream | why do we jump into the middle of the packet? |
| 05:17.17 | MrApathyCream | ah! never mind thats for finding the world itself |
| 05:26.54 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): more info on -st anomoly |
| 05:29.01 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): added alphanumeric matching methods |
| 05:34.25 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): time of day was being written to wrong offset, causing -st to be bad |
| 05:34.33 | captain_proton | oooh |
| 05:34.42 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:34.44 | captain_proton | remember to kill it from BUGS |
| 05:34.45 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): multiple matches per input now handled (yay\!); improved word boundary matching; now handles punctuation prefixing case; handles terminating match on a word start boundary case |
| 05:34.49 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 05:35.37 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): remove -st bug listing |
| 05:37.10 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:37.17 | fiberchunks | meat helmets |
| 05:37.58 | MrApathyCream | :|___ |
| 05:38.42 | MrApathyCream | so learner, how much cpu is the word filter gonna suck down? |
| 05:39.21 | learner | depends how many words are in the filter |
| 05:39.37 | fiberchunks | 2.8 million, have you accounted for that case ;) |
| 05:41.12 | learner | depending on whether suffix/prefix matching are "turned on", a single word effectively expands to 50/150 separate expression comparisons (respectively) |
| 05:42.24 | learner | my current master bad words list has roughly 1350 words in it now |
| 05:43.12 | learner | that results in either 1350 comparisons, 50000 comparisons, or 300000 comparisons |
| 05:44.08 | fiberchunks | whoo - 300k how long's that take? |
| 05:44.28 | learner | I haven't tested that one in a while .. :) |
| 05:46.02 | learner | memory is also an issue as there are three representations of each filter word that are precomputed (and presently all stored simultaneously) |
| 05:46.19 | learner | there's the string, the regular expression expansion, and the compiled regular expression |
| 05:47.07 | learner | that results in too much memory usage as your filter list increases |
| 05:54.01 | learner | hmm.. resident memory doesn't go over 141M, which is good.. |
| 05:54.10 | fiberchunks | 141M ?!? |
| 05:54.20 | learner | heh.. its "loading" the file :) |
| 05:54.37 | fiberchunks | one hundred and forty one << is that right? |
| 05:54.51 | fiberchunks | or 14.1 |
| 05:54.53 | learner | heh, like i said "too much" |
| 05:55.02 | fiberchunks | wowsers, I'll say :) |
| 05:55.40 | fiberchunks | I'm surprised it hasn't gone 'barf!' at you :) |
| 05:55.43 | learner | the string and regular expression versions could be trashed after loading (which would seriously limit thememory usage) |
| 05:59.00 | learner | here's a better number.. virtual memory usage is 630MB for the 300K word representations |
| 05:59.26 | learner | depending on how much of that is required to match a string will determine how much actually goes resident |
| 05:59.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (clothtest.py): Beginning to experiment with a cloth simulation using Numeric. So far this is just an example of using vertes arrays |
| 05:59.37 | fiberchunks | oh ... my ... ghod. |
| 05:59.44 | learner | that's why that kind of match is turned off :) |
| 06:00.02 | learner | if someone has a beast and wants a little more robust matching, though.. it's there :) |
| 06:00.11 | captain_proton | scanline: you crazy monkey |
| 06:00.16 | fiberchunks | all for a bad world filter ;) |
| 06:00.22 | fiberchunks | heh, word |
| 06:01.03 | scanline | learner: yaknow, maybe it's time to look for a different algorithm |
| 06:01.29 | learner | that's not the run-time algorithm |
| 06:01.35 | learner | er, default |
| 06:01.47 | scanline | heh |
| 06:01.51 | MrApathyCream | "all for a bad world filter ;)" :)) |
| 06:02.05 | learner | that's to match an obscene number of comparisons with individual expressions for every prefix/suffix combination |
| 06:02.13 | fiberchunks | bad world! bad world! sit, stay ... good world |
| 06:02.55 | scanline | learner: perhaps maybe strip off prefices and suffices first then do a normal comparison rather than trying all possible combinations? |
| 06:03.31 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (LocalPlayer.cxx): AutoPilot restarts your tank after destruction |
| 06:03.38 | learner | even with 300K entries using all that memory, the response time to perform the match is down to a second or two on my box (using one cpu) for simple chat input |
| 06:03.47 | learner | scanline: it does that |
| 06:04.11 | learner | I was expaining the worse possible compiled case |
| 06:04.16 | scanline | so where's the big memory hog? all the different 31337-proofing measures? |
| 06:04.40 | learner | no, it's the triple representation that the wordfilter object carries around |
| 06:05.11 | learner | it could easily be cut by at least a third getting rid of two that are unnecessary during runtime |
| 06:07.50 | learner | but like I said, the actual filtering that'll get used with -filterChat is 2 orders of magnitude less |
| 06:08.14 | learner | and pretty darn near as robust |
| 06:10.06 | scanline | still seems an awfully huge amount of work for a little censorship :) |
| 06:10.39 | learner | I rarely do anything half-*ssed |
| 06:11.03 | learner | plus it was pretty fun :) |
| 06:16.38 | MrApathyCream | riker will be cranky if pulls any measurable cpu |
| 06:17.24 | learner | you have to request it for it to be used |
| 06:18.07 | learner | and there is a simple filter for the cpu-conscious that does simple matches |
| 06:18.11 | captain_proton | NOT GOOD ENOUGH! |
| 06:18.50 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 06:19.07 | learner | heh |
| 06:19.12 | captain_proton | trained monkey butlers, thats how |
| 06:19.48 | learner | fly my pretties, fly! |
| 06:20.09 | captain_proton | =) |
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| 06:21.41 | learner | tim, question for you regarding default word filter lists |
| 06:22.08 | learner | I have a list of about 1350 multilingual swear words for the new "badwords" filter |
| 06:22.18 | captain_proton | hmm, speaking of swear words |
| 06:22.57 | learner | I'd imagine that'd be something useful to others, yet probably not a good idea to "distribute" by default |
| 06:23.07 | learner | would it be useful to put it in cvs as a resource? |
| 06:23.23 | TimRiker | sure. in misc perhaps? |
| 06:23.39 | learner | mkay, will do |
| 06:23.47 | captain_proton | ok |
| 06:23.51 | captain_proton | time for me to bang out a few bugs |
| 06:23.55 | captain_proton | so MrApathyCream can add more flags =) |
| 06:25.34 | captain_proton | argh! |
| 06:25.43 | captain_proton | i just tried to do 'if BZDB->isTrue(name):' |
| 06:27.47 | scanline | =) |
| 06:33.14 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): turns out there was only one callback needed |
| 06:36.10 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (README.UNIX): fix the readme |
| 06:36.32 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): get rid of the readme reference |
| 06:38.10 | MrApathyCream | wow REAL bzflag checkins woowoo! |
| 06:42.05 | scanline | er, reality |
| 06:42.35 | TimRiker | ~spell realtiy |
| 06:42.38 | | possible spellings for realtiy: reality realty Realtor relaid relate realties relater |
| 06:43.03 | MrApathyCream | scanline: how's that font engine comin' |
| 06:44.02 | scanline | MrApathyCream: doesn't support unicode yet, but it seems to be working alright |
| 06:44.20 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.24 | scanline | well, it does support unicode.. but not automatic loading of unicode fonts |
| 06:44.53 | scanline | MrApathyCream: http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/gltext.png |
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| 06:47.46 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 06:51.47 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (ShotStrategy.cxx): Get Thief shot length right |
| 06:54.39 | MrApathyCream | dang it autopilot tanks are smarter than robots with only about 20 lines o' code |
| 06:54.57 | MrApathyCream | scanline really ought to whip something up, don't cha think? |
| 06:56.11 | scanline | will get around to that... |
| 06:56.39 | scanline | right now I'm still in the Super-Sproingy-Multitextured-Squishy-Polygon-Of-Joy mode |
| 06:57.32 | captain_proton | =) |
| 06:57.32 | MrApathyCream | sounds painful |
| 06:57.36 | MrApathyCream | Targetting Computer (TC) + HUD shows where to aim for lead-ahead based on dead reckoning |
| 06:57.53 | captain_proton | its a new product |
| 06:57.55 | captain_proton | all the rage in europe |
| 06:59.04 | MrApathyCream | How bout a trickster flag... Let's you do rolls and flips when jumping, etc... :) |
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| 07:01.08 | MrApathyCream | well, ok, except for the cpu-sucker module |
| 07:12.41 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/misc (multilingualSwearList.txt): initial multilingual swear word list |
| 07:36.39 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): turned on simple repetitive suffix matching |
| 07:43.12 | learner | sweet.. Qt on DirectFB |
| 07:43.27 | learner | hehe, how's that cap |
| 07:43.38 | learner | I compiled it, i didn't generate it (for the most part) |
| 07:44.06 | learner | :P |
| 07:53.16 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 07:53.22 | learner | nite cap |
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| 08:26.08 | bomber_ | moin |
| 08:56.59 | Chestal | tag |
| 09:05.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): New ArraySurface drawable for dynamic vertex grids stored in Numeric arrays, and a small demo for it. |
| 09:30.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix backwards surface normals |
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| 11:21.28 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Starting a spring system module |
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| 12:01.36 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (6 files in 2 dirs): Convert as much as the vector math as possible to Numeric |
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| 12:56.02 | david_v | is anybody up for a match on Ducati? |
| 13:10.17 | dheckaman | gah, my eyes |
| 13:10.37 | dheckaman | :) |
| 13:11.54 | dheckaman | uh huh |
| 13:12.10 | dheckaman | captain_proton: fyi if you middle click in xchat, it pastes... |
| 13:15.32 | david_v | middle click is great :) |
| 13:15.41 | david_v | as soon as i run Windows, i miss that function a lot |
| 13:16.01 | david_v | just select and click, no annoying keycuts :) |
| 13:16.09 | dheckaman | hehe |
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| 13:26.49 | david_v | hm, calico had problems with bzflag... so he went... and there was a guy there who had to go... and there was a lagger... (621 ms) |
| 13:26.54 | david_v | hello, wake up folks. i wanna play! :) |
| 13:31.39 | learner | :) |
| 13:46.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): A very numerically instable spring system |
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| 14:30.39 | captain_proton | dheckaman: uhh |
| 14:30.52 | captain_proton | dheckaman: if you middle click in anything it pastes |
| 14:30.58 | captain_proton | thats how X programs work |
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| 14:42.35 | david_v | captain_proton: *almost* anything :) some programs don't work for me |
| 14:42.41 | david_v | don't remember which |
| 14:43.52 | captain_proton | yeah, but those are the sucky programs |
| 14:44.04 | david_v | hehe. depends. trying to find out which one isn't working |
| 14:46.11 | david_v | hm... can't find out right now |
| 14:49.42 | david_v | oh well, i guess the program will find me :) |
| 14:50.16 | david_v | or maybe it was fixed in some upgrade |
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| 14:56.29 | david_v | oh hi Chiko, didn't see you ;) |
| 14:57.25 | Chikorita | hi :) |
| 14:57.33 | Chikorita | brb |
| 14:57.50 | david_v | ~d |
| 14:58.03 | david_v | aha... going to 5156 |
| 14:58.12 | Chikorita | k |
| 14:58.23 | Chikorita | c u dere... |
| 14:58.42 | Chikorita | <<<afk |
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| 15:09.52 | david_v | no fun play on 5156 |
| 15:09.59 | david_v | newbies around, no help from the team |
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| 15:37.33 | Chikorita | byez |
| 15:37.41 | david_v | bye |
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| 17:03.30 | prot-work | yay for tennis girls |
| 17:04.32 | patlabor221 | I think you need to take a digital camera with you |
| 17:04.51 | prot-work | heh |
| 17:05.40 | david_v | prot-work: hmm i recognise that phrase hehe |
| 17:05.41 | prot-work | oooo verio provides ipv6 connectivity |
| 17:05.53 | prot-work | its a shame they don't operate here :( |
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| 17:09.00 | Quol_AtWork | I heard that there may be a bug with the /register command in BZFS that allows a user who is not an admin to access some admin commands? anyone know if that's true?? |
| 17:09.49 | patlabor221 | it would depend on what your groups are set to |
| 17:10.15 | patlabor221 | if you give default users or registered users access to some admin commands then they would be able to use them |
| 17:10.31 | Quol_AtWork | right - I understand taht one... |
| 17:10.39 | Quol_AtWork | but other than that - no known issues? |
| 17:10.55 | patlabor221 | I haven't heard of any |
| 17:10.58 | patlabor221 | where have you heard this? |
| 17:11.03 | Quol_AtWork | OK - |
| 17:11.41 | Quol_AtWork | well I can't remember who told me, but I was playing BZ on my servers and someone informed me that they heard from chestal that there may be issues.... |
| 17:11.52 | Quol_AtWork | maybe it was SGI?? |
| 17:11.57 | patlabor221 | in any specific version? |
| 17:11.58 | Quol_AtWork | don't know for sure though.. |
| 17:12.07 | Quol_AtWork | no - that's all I got |
| 17:12.15 | Quol_AtWork | I am running G2 though |
| 17:12.35 | patlabor221 | if it was from chestal he would have 1) fixed it, or 2) put in a proper bug report. |
| 17:12.49 | Quol_AtWork | that's what I figured - but just wanted to make sure |
| 17:13.11 | Quol_AtWork | maybe he was refering to the group thing - in which if someone just added everyone to the default admin |
| 17:13.21 | Quol_AtWork | then there would be issues with that |
| 17:13.41 | patlabor221 | well everyone on the server is part of the "default" group |
| 17:13.55 | patlabor221 | and everyone who registers is part of the "registered" group |
| 17:14.02 | Quol_AtWork | right - and of you grant that group admin commadns |
| 17:14.09 | patlabor221 | if you add admin functions to those groups then everyone gets them. |
| 17:14.10 | Quol_AtWork | then boom |
| 17:14.27 | patlabor221 | well if that's not what you wanted to do |
| 17:15.21 | Quol_AtWork | I don't know why one would grant admin access to everyone - that's asking for trouble I think |
| 17:15.36 | patlabor221 | well you do understand that there isn't a single "Admin" access anymore |
| 17:15.47 | Quol_AtWork | if you use the groups you mean |
| 17:15.53 | Quol_AtWork | I do understanf that |
| 17:15.53 | patlabor221 | still |
| 17:16.00 | patlabor221 | you could give everyone playerlist |
| 17:16.07 | patlabor221 | I could see somone doing that |
| 17:16.16 | patlabor221 | or game start and end commands |
| 17:16.28 | Quol_AtWork | yes - but not allthe admin commands like kick, ban etc.. |
| 17:16.32 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:16.50 | patlabor221 | it's actualy hard to give everyone those, you have to type in every command into the group |
| 17:17.22 | Quol_AtWork | ya - I have experimented lots with the groups on my servers.. |
| 17:17.43 | patlabor221 | they are there to be used :) |
| 17:17.52 | Quol_AtWork | is there anything in the works to make them easier to work with across multiple instances...? |
| 17:18.01 | patlabor221 | not yet |
| 17:18.07 | Quol_AtWork | right now I found the best way was to have seperate files / bzfs instance |
| 17:18.21 | patlabor221 | yes, thats what it wants |
| 17:18.35 | patlabor221 | noone has decided on a plan on how to make them share data |
| 17:18.46 | patlabor221 | I would like to put each database in it's own server |
| 17:19.20 | Quol_AtWork | hmmm - meaning that they wouldn't share? |
| 17:19.28 | patlabor221 | meaning they would share |
| 17:19.41 | patlabor221 | instead of specifying a file, you specify a database server |
| 17:20.11 | patlabor221 | so like if you wanted to share the user list of like ducati, but use your own local groups and permisions files |
| 17:20.15 | Quol_AtWork | ahhh - that would be a good step forward |
| 17:20.25 | Quol_AtWork | that way you could have PGP like authentication |
| 17:20.43 | patlabor221 | it's a game, I don't know if that's fully needed |
| 17:20.51 | patlabor221 | everyone has there own opinions. |
| 17:20.54 | Quol_AtWork | ya |
| 17:20.59 | Quol_AtWork | PGP is overboard |
| 17:21.16 | patlabor221 | a MD5 hash is probably fine for the password |
| 17:21.17 | Quol_AtWork | but it would be neat to have an AAA means so that no one else can "impersonate" you |
| 17:21.28 | patlabor221 | again, it's a freakin game |
| 17:21.41 | Quol_AtWork | and then get you banned or something along thos line - and the PKI infrastructure is complicated for the everyday user |
| 17:21.59 | patlabor221 | your talking about more security then even everquest uses |
| 17:22.24 | Quol_AtWork | I know - but that's what I do |
| 17:22.34 | Quol_AtWork | I guess it comes out in my everything I do |
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| 17:22.55 | Quol_AtWork | Security Security Security - that's how I put bread on the table :) |
| 17:22.56 | patlabor221 | well BZ is an unstructured "throw your favorate feature in" type of project, so go ahead :) |
| 17:23.22 | patlabor221 | BZ will make you no money |
| 17:23.39 | Quol_AtWork | I know that on pat - it doesn't have to... |
| 17:23.45 | Quol_AtWork | it keeps my sanity though |
| 17:23.51 | patlabor221 | as it should :) |
| 17:24.01 | Quol_AtWork | when I am frustrated at work - just play BZ alittle and everyhint is MUCH better :) |
| 17:24.51 | Quol_AtWork | :) |
| 17:24.53 | patlabor221 | I would do that in planetside too if it didn't suck soo much |
| 17:25.19 | david_v | why not make money out of sucking? :) |
| 17:25.26 | david_v | but i'm afraid i'd win |
| 17:25.55 | patlabor221 | those 2 lines should not be taken out of context |
| 17:26.19 | david_v | lol |
| 17:26.40 | patlabor221 | planetside needs some work on it's techincal issues, it's too chunky |
| 17:26.50 | Quol_AtWork | man - I have blown so much time interviewing idiots - it's starting to really upset me :) |
| 17:27.12 | JBDiGriz | you blow less time interviewing idiots than hiring them! |
| 17:27.26 | Quol_AtWork | I know that one JB |
| 17:27.35 | Quol_AtWork | that's why I am doing the interviewing this time around :) |
| 17:27.50 | Quol_AtWork | I just had to let go of a couple on my team because there was just no hope |
| 17:27.57 | Quol_AtWork | I hated doing it though |
| 17:28.36 | JBDiGriz | Need another body? (Note that I do contract work for a living ;-) |
| 17:29.02 | Quol_AtWork | well - we are not looking at relocating anyone... |
| 17:29.04 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: See if you work it right, bz could make you some money! ;{) |
| 17:29.15 | Quol_AtWork | lol |
| 17:29.24 | patlabor221 | how? |
| 17:29.55 | JBDiGriz | contacts, contacts, contacts, You make money in this industry by who you know, and what you have done. |
| 17:29.57 | Quol_AtWork | you would be amazed by the amount of people who put in their resume that they are masters of TCP/IP switching/routing.... |
| 17:30.01 | Quol_AtWork | and they know nothing |
| 17:30.12 | Quol_AtWork | I asked one guy - 10 years experience with tcp/IP |
| 17:30.16 | patlabor221 | actualy I make money by sitting on my ass :) |
| 17:30.24 | david_v | :) |
| 17:30.27 | JBDiGriz | They took the CNE course and were told they know TCP/IP. :( |
| 17:30.33 | patlabor221 | and for game industry contacts I have enough of those |
| 17:30.43 | david_v | JBDiGriz: hah... |
| 17:30.49 | Quol_AtWork | what are the ranges for CLASS a,b,b - he couldn't answer that... |
| 17:31.14 | JBDiGriz | the network class ranges have been downgraded in favor of the bitfields. |
| 17:31.21 | david_v | Quol_AtWork: i feel proud, even i know that much :) |
| 17:31.41 | david_v | well bitfields are nice |
| 17:31.53 | Quol_AtWork | oops - should be a c after that last b...he actually said "I wasn't aware that this would be a technical interview so I am not prepared" |
| 17:32.22 | Quol_AtWork | I lost it at that point - and started playingf BZ soon after :) lol |
| 17:32.24 | JBDiGriz | It's only a matter of what you call it. |
| 17:32.57 | david_v | Quol_AtWork: lol.... |
| 17:33.15 | prot-work | yay for cidr |
| 17:33.19 | JBDiGriz | Never tell an interviewer that you are unprepared for anything!!!! |
| 17:33.24 | prot-work | especially ipv6 cidr =) |
| 17:33.48 | david_v | what's cidr? |
| 17:33.57 | Quol_AtWork | prot - I didn't even go into VLSM/CIDR - he couldn't answer the class ones - never mind confuse things with classless :) |
| 17:34.05 | prot-work | hehe |
| 17:34.32 | prot-work | david_v: bitcount separation between network and host |
| 17:35.19 | prot-work | for example, one of our networks is 128.130.205.128/25 |
| 17:35.36 | JBDiGriz | New way of saying the same old thing. |
| 17:35.38 | prot-work | where the network part of the address is 25 bits, even though its a class B |
| 17:35.52 | Quol_AtWork | that's a good one - makes those theory guys so - taht's impossible :) |
| 17:36.04 | Quol_AtWork | so = say |
| 17:36.39 | Quol_AtWork | I through those at my candidates all the time :) helps me weed out the individuals fairly fast |
| 17:37.12 | david_v | prot-work: ah ok |
| 17:37.13 | JBDiGriz | Are you looking for IT guys or developers? |
| 17:37.21 | Quol_AtWork | IT.. |
| 17:37.28 | Quol_AtWork | Senior Network admin |
| 17:37.43 | Quol_AtWork | responsible for network/lan/servers - a good generalist |
| 17:38.22 | Quol_AtWork | should be comfortable in routing protocols/switched environments, and have the basic security concepts |
| 17:38.39 | Quol_AtWork | that sort fo thing - really hard to find up here in Montreal though |
| 17:38.48 | JBDiGriz | Does your ad ask for certification? |
| 17:39.00 | Quol_AtWork | yes - or equivalent |
| 17:39.33 | Quol_AtWork | we got 1000 resumes in the first week though - I have only gone through a couple of hundred though |
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| 17:39.56 | Quol_AtWork | brb.. |
| 17:40.11 | JBDiGriz | IMHO certification is a counter-indication. |
| 17:40.14 | prot-work | network adminning is a good college job, but i don't think i want to do it forever |
| 17:40.23 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: depends on the cert |
| 17:40.42 | JBDiGriz | I haven't seen a good one, but I'm willing to check it out. |
| 17:41.16 | JBDiGriz | Admin is a good job if you're happy making other people's code work. |
| 17:41.44 | JBDiGriz | I like making my own code work, and experimenting with new ideas. |
| 17:42.30 | prot-work | its hard to argue with CCIE |
| 17:44.22 | Quol_AtWork | it also depends on the job |
| 17:44.39 | Quol_AtWork | if you are a windows .NET shop with e-applications and are an ASP... |
| 17:45.02 | Quol_AtWork | then you will want people who are knowledgable and are able to learn new concepts quickly |
| 17:45.15 | JBDiGriz | According to Cisco, it's a 2-hour exam and a lab. On the web site, one of the most important requirements of the lab exam is that you pay $1250. |
| 17:45.41 | Quol_AtWork | sometimes just a degree won't cut it - there are a lot of complex things with Active directory that no colledge course touches on |
| 17:45.43 | JBDiGriz | I will look at it more closely, but I'd rather see a requirement of some number of hours on Cisco equipment. |
| 17:46.21 | Quol_AtWork | pat: what? |
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| 17:46.35 | patlabor221 | glasses sorry :) |
| 17:46.37 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: yeah - but only about 1/100 of the people who actually -get- to the lab portion make it through |
| 17:46.58 | Quol_AtWork | JB - it's rated as the hardest cert to get on earth |
| 17:47.01 | JBDiGriz | Depending on the college, the degree should teach you how to learn and think. |
| 17:47.48 | Quol_AtWork | you do the lab the first day...and then that night cisco CCIE's screw up your network and you have to fix it within the timeframe |
| 17:47.52 | david_v | ~d |
| 17:48.12 | Quol_AtWork | it's practical and hands on - good for the networking side of things - not sogood for the server side of things though |
| 17:48.30 | prot-work | Quol_AtWork: i was just using it as an example of a cert that doesn't really suck |
| 17:48.31 | JBDiGriz | Quol_AtWork: Cool! I like that sort of lab. If you get some creative people screwing things up it would make you think! |
| 17:49.17 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: That's my point, most certs suck, and I've developed a distaste for many of them. Part of that comes from being a dinosaur. |
| 17:49.21 | Quol_AtWork | prot - ahh - OK - was just letting JB know that it wasn't a "memorize these questions and answers and you got it" |
| 17:49.58 | Quol_AtWork | I have a freind that took it and failed - and he knows his stuff |
| 17:50.26 | Quol_AtWork | they through all sorts of things at him - poisoned routes - redistributing invalid static routes |
| 17:50.48 | JBDiGriz | That's also an important part of the certification. Too many of them make it difficult to impossible to fail. |
| 17:50.49 | Quol_AtWork | IPX crap in there also - even physical cabling problems - VLAN loops and STP issues |
| 17:51.15 | Quol_AtWork | all sorts of stuff - he took to long to troubleshoot and ran out of time |
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| 17:57.14 | Quol_AtWork | learner - you and your pokes :) |
| 17:57.24 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 17:57.53 | JBDiGriz | capn is the nastier poker. |
| 17:58.34 | learnerAtWork | hehe, jb's usually bashing me.. |
| 17:59.02 | JBDiGriz | You learned a bit of etiquette! |
| 18:00.04 | Quol_AtWork | brb |
| 18:00.42 | david_v | for my own safety, i'm leaving this channel :) |
| 18:00.45 | david_v | later |
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| 18:01.23 | JBDiGriz | That's scary, when people start running away, it's usually best to join them! |
| 18:02.14 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 18:02.30 | learnerAtWork | and I was going to poke him too .. shucks |
| 18:03.05 | learnerAtWork | cap, protocol question for you |
| 18:03.12 | prot-work | shoot |
| 18:03.31 | learnerAtWork | are we in lock-down, or am I in the clear to add some new Reject codes for the server? |
| 18:03.54 | prot-work | i think we're ok |
| 18:04.06 | prot-work | perhaps rather than add new reject messages, just refactor it to have one reject message + a reason |
| 18:04.12 | learnerAtWork | it's backwards compatible, client will respond with "unknown response" if it doesnt know the code |
| 18:05.06 | prot-work | backwards compatibility isn't a huge factor at this point |
| 18:05.16 | learnerAtWork | when team's are full -- it does that kind of rejection, so I'd figure if I'm going to add another reject code, I might as well clean house a little |
| 18:06.38 | learnerAtWork | mkay, good to know -- thx |
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| 18:17.17 | Chestal | reject codes need some cleanup anyway |
| 18:17.39 | Chestal | AFAIK some reject codes are already abused in the name of backward compatibility |
| 18:19.55 | bryjen | Having a seperate code for every possible reason seems a bit much. Just a message for "rejected" with a textual reason, like cap suggested, seems more flexible. |
| 18:24.39 | learnerAtWork | yes they are -- they are abused a bit -- I like the idea of a simple server rejection with arbitrary messages (not sent to the chat window!) |
| 18:24.46 | learnerAtWork | this might be a good time to do that |
| 18:26.55 | Chestal | yes, using a generic reject message seems to make sense, that is unless there are some reject reasons for which the client should react in a different way |
| 18:27.25 | learnerAtWork | iirc, there aren't presently, but that's a good point |
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| 19:56.04 | Skipp | does anyone know how to install gcc 3.3, it's a compiler for linux |
| 19:57.04 | Bagheera | redhat, suse.... ? |
| 19:57.22 | Skipp | redhat 7 |
| 19:57.43 | Bagheera | where did you pick up the rpm |
| 19:57.56 | Skipp | freshmeat |
| 19:57.59 | learnerAtWork | rpm -I?? |
| 19:58.12 | Skipp | was a tar.gz |
| 19:58.27 | learnerAtWork | sounds like a source tarball |
| 19:58.35 | learnerAtWork | tar zxvf blah.tar.gz |
| 19:58.43 | learnerAtWork | build it |
| 19:58.46 | Skipp | did that |
| 19:58.47 | learnerAtWork | install it :) |
| 19:58.53 | Skipp | and then ./configure |
| 19:58.56 | Skipp | right? |
| 19:59.00 | learnerAtWork | perhaps |
| 19:59.08 | learnerAtWork | there should be a README or an INSTALL |
| 19:59.19 | Skipp | it is all jumpled |
| 19:59.19 | Tupone | have you used the language keyword? |
| 19:59.24 | Skipp | doesn't make any sense to me |
| 19:59.25 | learnerAtWork | but normally ./configure ; make ; sudo make install |
| 19:59.47 | Skipp | so last command should be sudo make install |
| 20:00.12 | learnerAtWork | well, run make install as a user with privileges |
| 20:00.32 | learnerAtWork | sudo'll give you superuser for that command if you're sut up with sudo |
| 20:00.46 | Skipp | i am having warnings that come up with my compiler when i make the bzflag file |
| 20:00.49 | learnerAtWork | otherwise run "su" then run make install |
| 20:01.06 | Bagheera | this is for bz |
| 20:01.13 | learnerAtWork | ?? when you "make the bzflag file"? |
| 20:01.14 | Bagheera | ? |
| 20:01.27 | Bagheera | the rpm does not work |
| 20:01.29 | Bagheera | ? |
| 20:01.46 | Skipp | yes, when i type: make , after ./configure, the compiler exits with an warning |
| 20:02.21 | learnerAtWork | nah, if it exits unsuccessfully, it's not because of a warning .. :) |
| 20:02.23 | Skipp | and when i do make install, it doesn't install the bzflag file in the /usr/local/bin |
| 20:02.35 | learnerAtWork | first are you talking about gcc or bzflag? |
| 20:02.47 | Quol_AtWork | skipp - there should be an RPM for redhat 7 - you can also use the mandrake cooker's |
| 20:02.57 | Skipp | i am trying to install a new versiom of gcc |
| 20:03.10 | Skipp | of bz quol? |
| 20:03.11 | Quol_AtWork | right - if you use the RPM you don't have to worry about building it |
| 20:03.15 | Bagheera | ??to get bzflag to install? |
| 20:03.47 | Skipp | at the sourceforge site? |
| 20:04.02 | learnerAtWork | ah.. me thinks Skipp thinks he needs to build bzflag to be able to install it -- you don't: use the bzflag rpm |
| 20:04.03 | Quol_AtWork | Skipp: I will look - you can try rpmfind.net thoug |
| 20:04.16 | Skipp | ok |
| 20:04.30 | Quol_AtWork | skipp - you trying to install BZ by building it? |
| 20:04.41 | Quol_AtWork | or are you trying to just update your gcc? |
| 20:04.45 | Bagheera | razz is the only person i know that has had problems with the sourceforge rpms......so its a good bet |
| 20:04.56 | Skipp | i was |
| 20:05.02 | Skipp | and yes on the 2nd one 2 |
| 20:05.12 | Skipp | i just want to install bz mainly tho |
| 20:05.16 | Skipp | to run a server |
| 20:05.29 | Quol_AtWork | ahh - grab the linux RPM from sourceforge then |
| 20:05.38 | Quol_AtWork | works well - that's what I am using |
| 20:05.53 | Skipp | even tho it says for rehat 8+ |
| 20:06.51 | Quol_AtWork | use the i386 RPM for gcc2 |
| 20:07.16 | Skipp | ah, so look for files with i386 RPM |
| 20:07.25 | Bagheera | yep |
| 20:07.31 | Skipp | that helps |
| 20:07.47 | Skipp | man i am so oblivious to the world of linux |
| 20:07.55 | Quol_AtWork | ya - most should be compatible with redhat - even if they are compiled and packed on another distribution |
| 20:08.05 | Quol_AtWork | you do have to be a bit carefull though |
| 20:08.21 | Quol_AtWork | the worst that can happen is you have to re-install your box :) |
| 20:08.24 | Skipp | well its just bzflag for now |
| 20:08.32 | Quol_AtWork | kidding |
| 20:08.44 | Skipp | i am taking a course this year about linux and programming :) |
| 20:08.51 | learnerAtWork | if you see smoke come out of your case .. run :) |
| 20:09.04 | Quol_AtWork | and get the marshmellows |
| 20:09.07 | Skipp | lol, my robot i build last week almost caught on fire |
| 20:09.11 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
| 20:09.22 | Skipp | battery pack melted |
| 20:09.24 | Quol_AtWork | robot - what did it do? |
| 20:09.32 | Bagheera | we call that a Bill gates Camping Trip here |
| 20:09.41 | prot-work | i didn't know robots smoked |
| 20:09.47 | Skipp | it had sensors and was programmed to avoid stuff and follow light |
| 20:10.05 | Skipp | my friend and mine did the best |
| 20:10.11 | Skipp | through the maze |
| 20:10.15 | Skipp | was very fun |
| 20:10.37 | Quol_AtWork | sounds cool |
| 20:10.49 | Skipp | execpt for when the battery pack melted |
| 20:10.57 | Quol_AtWork | sounds hot |
| 20:11.22 | Skipp | smelled bad as well |
| 20:11.39 | Quol_AtWork | ya- plastic melting - not a pleasant smell |
| 20:11.50 | Bagheera | what caused it?, hot drive motors? |
| 20:12.41 | Skipp | we used metal washers on the microcontroller and it sent the power source back to the wires so the chip didn't take any power in and it started burning |
| 20:13.15 | prot-work | so you shorted your power supply? |
| 20:13.22 | Skipp | took 3 college graduates to figure out that all we needed to fix it was plastic washers |
| 20:13.35 | Skipp | yes |
| 20:13.45 | prot-work | what kind of batteries? |
| 20:13.48 | prot-work | =) |
| 20:13.50 | Skipp | just AA |
| 20:13.55 | Skipp | 4 of them |
| 20:13.56 | prot-work | ah |
| 20:14.06 | prot-work | alkalines get toasty warm when shorted :) |
| 20:14.11 | Skipp | lol |
| 20:14.26 | prot-work | not as fun as most lithium batteries though |
| 20:14.35 | prot-work | which explode quite impressively |
| 20:14.38 | Skipp | lol |
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| 20:15.33 | Skipp | well i'm off to get that bz stuff working |
| 20:15.34 | Bagheera | dont feel bad, i had a .1F cap(300v)......forgot to discharge the bugger and jolted myself with a screw driver....i was young and foolish |
| 20:15.41 | Skipp | lol |
| 20:15.56 | Skipp | bet that woke u up |
| 20:16.23 | Bagheera | yepper, the good news is I only did it twice more......it was a very long project |
| 20:16.48 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): Warning on missing regex stuff |
| 20:17.00 | Bagheera | but, i dont need coffee anymore |
| 20:17.38 | learnerAtWork | oh, cool tupone |
| 20:18.10 | Tupone | Not so cool, just simple test, don't know wtd if not found. Now just a warning |
| 20:19.00 | learnerAtWork | the code presently is hoping for someone to at least check for regex.h and define HAVE_REGEX_H |
| 20:19.26 | learnerAtWork | right now it just says "if windows it's false, otherwise assume true" |
| 20:19.51 | Bagheera | ? me lost, talking about the CIA warning |
| 20:20.18 | learnerAtWork | Bagheera: that's a commit log message, not a cia warning |
| 20:20.20 | Tupone | :( Now I just send a warning. But it's easy to put that define in. So wait .... |
| 20:20.36 | Bagheera | danke |
| 20:20.56 | learnerAtWork | de nada |
| 20:21.39 | prot-work | LIES! |
| 20:21.46 | prot-work | its the CIA wanting everyone to have regex stuff! |
| 20:21.52 | prot-work | hi guys :) |
| 20:22.26 | learnerAtWork | cap musta just had his evening coffee :) |
| 20:22.39 | Bagheera | great, i am just learning this irc stuff, give an old man a break..........(dont let the CIA know) |
| 20:23.37 | fiberchunks | *knock knock* -- step away from the IRC sir, step away from the IRC... |
| 20:23.50 | bryjen | dont mess with the CIA. they'll tell W that your hiding weapons, and you know what happens next.... |
| 20:24.31 | Bagheera | nah, i have clearance for that |
| 20:24.50 | Skipp | i got another question for u guys |
| 20:25.13 | Bagheera | yes, molson is an acceptable beer |
| 20:25.26 | learnerAtWork | yes, sudo rm -rf / is cool |
| 20:25.35 | fiberchunks | no, you shouldn't wear women's clothing |
| 20:25.40 | Skipp | i got an error when i typed bzflag into the command line: error while loading shared libraries libstdc++.s0.5 |
| 20:26.00 | learnerAtWork | yuck |
| 20:26.09 | Bagheera | goya |
| 20:26.09 | Quol_AtWork | when you installed redhat 7 - what did you choose to install? |
| 20:26.10 | Skipp | how do i fix tha |
| 20:26.23 | Quol_AtWork | you are missing some required libraries... |
| 20:26.24 | Skipp | just the standard workstation package |
| 20:26.33 | Quol_AtWork | hmm - you may need some dev stuff |
| 20:26.40 | Skipp | desktop package, whatever |
| 20:27.03 | Skipp | would the program MESA have that |
| 20:27.40 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. libstdc++ is a g++ b0rkage |
| 20:27.59 | Tupone | give this command => ls -l /usr/lib/libstdc++.so* and see the result |
| 20:28.02 | fiberchunks | rpm -ivh libstdc++-devel |
| 20:28.17 | fiberchunks | or, if mandrake, urpmi libstdc++-devel |
| 20:29.07 | fiberchunks | speakeasy.rpmfind.net << good place for rpm hunting |
| 20:29.19 | Quol_AtWork | ya - fiber is right - you need that package - that's what I got - Skipp - you can get it off the CD's or off the FTP sites |
| 20:29.43 | Skipp | what should i look for on the cd |
| 20:29.59 | fiberchunks | actually, rpm -ivh libstdc++; rpm -ivh libstdc++-devel |
| 20:30.08 | learnerAtWork | why on earth are we dependant on the developer libs? |
| 20:30.14 | fiberchunks | Skipp> libstdc++ and libstdc++-devel |
| 20:30.34 | Tupone | don't think he need devel |
| 20:30.40 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> actually, he may not be, but he may not have a compiler installed |
| 20:30.49 | fiberchunks | s/he/we |
| 20:30.49 | learnerAtWork | that's what I was thinking |
| 20:30.56 | Skipp | nothing at the rpm.net site |
| 20:31.05 | fiberchunks | wait one |
| 20:31.29 | fiberchunks | http://speakeasy.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libstdc%2B%2B&submit=Search+... |
| 20:31.32 | Tupone | I think he/she have library installed, otherwise desktop does not work |
| 20:32.07 | Skipp | which one should i install, the latest |
| 20:32.23 | Tupone | I think just a different version ... |
| 20:32.24 | Quol_AtWork | the latest for redhat 7 |
| 20:32.27 | fiberchunks | which ever one matches your distro in the distro list, or you can search by distro |
| 20:32.55 | fiberchunks | a better link for RH specific ones: http://speakeasy.rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libstdc%2B%2B&submit=Search+...&system=redhat&arch= |
| 20:33.50 | Skipp | so redhat 7.0 i386 updates would be the right one |
| 20:34.06 | fiberchunks | for i386, yah, probably |
| 20:34.18 | Skipp | i wish i had 2 monitors, 1 monitor for 2 machines is a pain to switch |
| 20:35.14 | fiberchunks | doesn't redhat have some sort of a package management / listing tool that you can search on? |
| 20:35.38 | Quol_AtWork | rpm -qa |
| 20:36.09 | Quol_AtWork | rpm -qa | grep -i libstdc |
| 20:37.07 | fiberchunks | Quol_AtWork> yah, but I was thinking more along the lines of mandrake's urpm{i|f|q} |
| 20:37.21 | Skipp | well it didn't work |
| 20:37.31 | Skipp | i downloaded and installed the rpm |
| 20:37.39 | Skipp | still the same error message |
| 20:38.07 | Skipp | should i try installing bzflag again |
| 20:38.07 | Tupone | rpm -ql libstdc++ |
| 20:38.13 | fiberchunks | what version of redhat you running? |
| 20:38.15 | Quol_AtWork | ahh - sorry fiber |
| 20:38.17 | Skipp | 7.0 |
| 20:39.36 | Skipp | should i try a older version of bz |
| 20:39.48 | fiberchunks | heh, this is why I don't use rpm based distros anymore :) |
| 20:39.58 | learnerAtWork | skipp, did you build or try the bzflag rpm? |
| 20:40.16 | Skipp | i installed the bzflag rpm for g2 |
| 20:40.34 | fiberchunks | ah, hold on |
| 20:40.42 | learnerAtWork | hmm.. me thinks the g2 linux maintainer needs to fix this :) |
| 20:41.24 | Tupone | Skipp: can you try this command for me by root: rpm -ql libstdc++ |
| 20:41.49 | Skipp | k |
| 20:41.51 | Bagheera | ....coming in way late........for the redhat machines here we use the up2date stuff |
| 20:42.04 | fiberchunks | ah, up2date, that's what it is |
| 20:42.22 | Bagheera | yep, up2date-nox -u updates the hell out your machine |
| 20:42.55 | fiberchunks | http://speakeasy.rpmfind.net//linux/RPM/freshrpms/redhat/9/bzflag/bzflag-1.7g2-fr1.i386.html <<< if you go here you will see all the dependencies necessary for bzflag17g2 to function -- just click on the links and grab the rpms |
| 20:43.14 | Skipp | said the -ql command isn't found |
| 20:43.36 | learnerAtWork | pwd |
| 20:43.39 | learnerAtWork | eek |
| 20:44.07 | Tupone | after su - and then root-password give rpm -ql libstdc++ it should work |
| 20:44.08 | Skipp | boy that list helps fiber |
| 20:44.48 | fiberchunks | good |
| 20:44.56 | Tupone | Just I suppose you have to load a compat-libstdc++ rpm |
| 20:45.03 | Skipp | well i will download all of them to make sure |
| 20:45.19 | Bagheera | not install on the 8.0 machines here, and bzflag installed fine....... |
| 20:45.33 | fiberchunks | libstdc++ ? |
| 20:45.36 | Skipp | thanks for the help, it is much apprecheated |
| 20:45.40 | Skipp | can't spell |
| 20:45.46 | Bagheera | whoops, bag typo |
| 20:45.56 | Tupone | try that => ls /usr/lib/libstdc++.so* |
| 20:45.59 | Skipp | i have redhat 8.0 |
| 20:46.15 | Skipp | i think i will convince my dad to install that |
| 20:46.16 | learnerAtWork | i hate bag tupos |
| 20:46.30 | Skipp | he got the server version of redhat 7.0 |
| 20:46.39 | Skipp | said it was better than plain 8.0 |
| 20:46.42 | Bagheera | yepper, i have libstdc++.so.5.0.1 installed here |
| 20:46.54 | Skipp | what is gentoo |
| 20:47.14 | fiberchunks | >:-) |
| 20:47.23 | learnerAtWork | gentoo is good stuff |
| 20:47.39 | Bagheera | gentoo, another vendor |
| 20:47.40 | fiberchunks | www.gentoo.org << read and read - it's a source-based distro |
| 20:47.50 | Skipp | oh an os? |
| 20:48.04 | fiberchunks | no, a distro |
| 20:48.11 | Skipp | how do u guys do that purple messages |
| 20:48.12 | Bagheera | no, another "group" like redhat |
| 20:48.13 | fiberchunks | a variant of linux |
| 20:48.28 | Bagheera | is it purple or magenta |
| 20:48.31 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:48.34 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 20:49.12 | learnerAtWork | me thinks you all sound crazy as he reads his uncolorified clean text irc jabber |
| 20:50.16 | Bagheera | ?blender?, margaritas sound good |
| 20:50.40 | fiberchunks | I think it's pinkish-puce personally |
| 20:51.14 | fiberchunks | dinner time -- bbiaw |
| 20:51.15 | Bagheera | do i have the diner for you......... |
| 20:51.36 | Bagheera | bbiaq (be back in awhile) ? |
| 20:51.44 | Bagheera | bag typo |
| 20:52.19 | Quol_AtWork | maybe I will try gentoo linux... |
| 20:52.31 | CIA | 03atupone * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): defined HAVE_REGEX_H if available |
| 20:52.54 | Bagheera | the rumours i here are that it is still a little "raw"........but they are rumours |
| 20:52.56 | Tupone | learner: good luck |
| 20:54.02 | learnerAtWork | tupone: gracias |
| 20:54.18 | Tupone | learnerAtWork: de nada ... |
| 20:54.27 | JBDiGriz | OpenBSD is good for security, but the guys who work on it are a little "tetched" |
| 20:54.46 | Quol_AtWork | tetched? |
| 20:55.13 | learnerAtWork | ~dict tetched |
| 20:55.21 | learnerAtWork | ~dict tetch |
| 20:55.35 | Bagheera | ~dict beer |
| 20:55.43 | Quol_AtWork | JB - you ever try NetBSD - I haven't in a while - but that is all I used to use... |
| 20:55.48 | learnerAtWork | forgot barley |
| 20:56.04 | Bagheera | needs an update |
| 20:56.16 | Bagheera | nice feature though |
| 20:57.29 | Quol_AtWork | tetched = Somewhat unbalanced mentally; touched. |
| 20:57.53 | Quol_AtWork | thank you dictionary.com |
| 20:58.39 | JBDiGriz | I was using NetBSD in the early years. |
| 20:59.11 | Quol_AtWork | That is the first i386 *nix I used |
| 20:59.24 | JBDiGriz | I felt they would be more robust since they were porting to architectures which had different sized pointers/integers. |
| 20:59.33 | learnerAtWork | tetched => variant of teched => mentally unbalanced (m-w.com) |
| 20:59.54 | learnerAtWork | I think we're all a bit "tech"ed |
| 21:00.25 | Quol_AtWork | I thought it was funny that you can have that OS run on an ATARI system - and now on DreamCast and other gaming platforms like amiga |
| 21:00.25 | learnerAtWork | well, at least I am |
| 21:00.53 | JBDiGriz | That argument lost a lot of credibility over the years, so I switched to FreeBSD since there were fewer politics involved. |
| 21:01.08 | Quol_AtWork | in the words of seal - we will never survive unelss we get a little crazy :) |
| 21:01.37 | Quol_AtWork | I never got into FreeBSD because of it's size - Maybe I should give it another shot... |
| 21:01.47 | JBDiGriz | There's nothing wrong with being a little crazy, as long as you realize it! ;{) |
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| 21:02.11 | Bagheera | ooooooo, SEAL, is he still putting out albums, been awhile.......dang the doobie brothers broke up...... |
| 21:02.37 | Quol_AtWork | I don't know - never really liked Seal though - the song just popped in my head ;) |
| 21:02.38 | bryjen | the more crazy you are, the less you realize it ;) |
| 21:02.48 | JBDiGriz | Like all *nix distributions, you can change the size with a bit of reconfiguration. Unfortunately, the method for reconfiguring is different for all of them. :-( |
| 21:03.01 | learnerAtWork | OMG -- the slashot thread on getting back into shape is hilarious!!! |
| 21:03.02 | Bagheera | thats why i am completely normal |
| 21:03.32 | JBDiGriz | Bagheera: You can't be normal, you think Molson is beer. |
| 21:03.42 | Bagheera | a beer |
| 21:03.44 | Quol_AtWork | these 2 cows are talking - one of them says "aren't you afraid of all this mad coy disease scare" the other cow says "no - I'm not scared at all - it won't effect me, I'm a penguin" |
| 21:04.14 | JBDiGriz | http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ |
| 21:05.17 | Bagheera | lol |
| 21:05.21 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 21:05.48 | JBDiGriz | I'm a bit biased! ;-) |
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| 21:06.22 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 21:06.29 | JBDiGriz | m00f |
| 21:07.00 | learnerAtWork | s/ord/ork/ |
| 21:07.07 | Noodleman | ork! |
| 21:07.09 | Bagheera | NO, NOT SED |
| 21:07.16 | Skipp | got it working |
| 21:07.16 | JBDiGriz | awk! |
| 21:07.20 | Noodleman | that's also perl |
| 21:07.29 | Bagheera | based on sed |
| 21:07.38 | Noodleman | to an extent |
| 21:09.21 | Bagheera | need coffee, irish coffee |
| 21:09.23 | Noodleman | 101 degrees F over here |
| 21:09.33 | Bagheera | 101!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:09.47 | Noodleman | without air conditioning :-) |
| 21:10.11 | Noodleman | no humidity, thank gooness |
| 21:10.15 | Noodleman | gooness |
| 21:10.21 | Quol_AtWork | rainy and damp over here - we could use some of that 101 noodle |
| 21:10.43 | Bagheera | 85 or so here, sunny, a little humid |
| 21:11.05 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.24 | Bagheera | ~dict gooness |
| 21:11.26 | JBDiGriz | 75 around here, a little humid 87% |
| 21:11.39 | Noodleman | Bagheera: :-P |
| 21:12.05 | Bagheera | ok, i need to go feed the dogs.... |
| 21:12.07 | JBDiGriz | gooness is a measure of humidity |
| 21:12.35 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:13.03 | JBDiGriz | There's some gooness in the air! |
| 21:15.42 | Quol_AtWork | I hate it when scales of humidity are in the air |
| 21:16.03 | Quol_AtWork | sorry - I am a little tired |
| 21:16.34 | JBDiGriz | It's no worse than the rest of us. We're all a bit teched. |
| 21:16.41 | Quol_AtWork | lol |
| 21:19.33 | bryjen | woah. spam from the future. |
| 21:19.57 | bryjen | or some idiot can't set their clock. |
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| 21:51.01 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@12-206-137-38.client.attbi.com) |
| 21:59.45 | Tupone | ~xmission |
| 22:00.07 | Tupone | yooooo is cheating ... |
| 22:00.41 | Tupone | prot-work: Have you got time to read that SDLMedia patch |
| 22:09.31 | prot-work | not yet |
| 22:13.24 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-19-155.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 22:15.38 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~Adam@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
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| 22:24.23 | drinian | ~xmission |
| 22:24.41 | drinian | ~hashmark |
| 22:33.56 | *** part/#bzflag drinian (~Adam@pcp153139pcs.hamntn01.nj.comcast.net) |
| 22:34.15 | prot-work | bah |
| 22:34.29 | prot-work | i hate it when people come here just to get bzfls stuff :P |
| 22:39.39 | learnerAtWork | ~d |
| 22:39.44 | fiberchunks | another unnecessary hassle from corporate amerika |
| 22:40.08 | learnerAtWork | hehe |
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| 22:51.22 | JBDiGriz | When you whack someone with an octopus, how many legs do you hold onto? |
| 22:51.47 | fiberchunks | the beak, that way you get the 8-pronged attack ;) |
| 22:52.08 | JBDiGriz | Careful, those things are sharp! ;-) |
| 23:26.54 | fiberchunks | whew |
| 23:27.02 | fiberchunks | thunder and lightnin, YAY! |
| 23:38.45 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Wow, the cloth sim now is more like cloth and less like a jumble of random vertices |
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| 23:39.23 | scanline | this is written in Python, and simulating+rendering at 254 FHz |
| 23:40.29 | scanline | only about 600 springs in this one though |
