| 00:07.31 | captain_proton | hmm, its a lot cheaper than i expected |
| 00:07.36 | captain_proton | ~$30 |
| 00:09.49 | scanline | hah.. CG's syntax reminds me a little of Verilog |
| 00:10.09 | captain_proton | yep |
| 00:10.16 | captain_proton | at least it doesn't remind you of VHDL ;) |
| 00:10.21 | scanline | :) |
| 00:10.29 | scanline | or VRML... either would be scary |
| 00:11.12 | Patlabor221 | cap how's this, www.bakadigital.com/tex.jpg ? |
| 00:11.45 | fiberchunks | whaz the command to see if a service is running on a specific port? |
| 00:18.09 | david_v | fiberchunks: i can only help you with netstat, if it's on *nix |
| 00:18.20 | david_v | doesn't really print the app name |
| 00:19.55 | fiberchunks | that's fine |
| 00:20.54 | fiberchunks | meaning I figured it out :) |
| 00:23.10 | david_v | hehe |
| 00:23.13 | david_v | how? |
| 00:24.02 | fiberchunks | just ps aux | grep foo; netstat -a | grep foo |
| 00:24.10 | fiberchunks | seemed to do what I wanted :) |
| 00:25.41 | fiberchunks | for named services anyway -- pretty sure it won't work for unnamed ones, but the port number is known in this instance, so I just grepped on that |
| 00:26.30 | david_v | yah |
| 00:29.42 | david_v | night |
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| 00:37.50 | Patlabor221 | fiber how's this look, http://www.bakadigital.com/tex.jpg ? |
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| 00:38.54 | captain_proton | hrm, some ACPI X unhappiness |
| 00:39.04 | Patlabor221 | you want to see it textured cap? |
| 00:39.28 | captain_proton | yah |
| 00:39.43 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/tex.jpg |
| 00:41.01 | scanline | captain_proton: these shader thingies are really spiffy |
| 00:41.44 | captain_proton | scanline: yep =) |
| 00:43.28 | captain_proton | GAH! |
| 00:43.36 | captain_proton | i can't set up a tunnel through HE because comcast blocks ICMP |
| 00:45.55 | captain_proton | maybe i do need to end up going through work |
| 00:46.16 | dougheckaa | tunnels for what? |
| 00:46.33 | captain_proton | IPv6 |
| 00:46.39 | dougheckaa | ooh, pretty textures Patlabor221 :) |
| 00:46.53 | dougheckaa | ah, I tries ipv6, it requieres I have a public AP |
| 00:46.56 | dougheckaa | er, IP |
| 00:46.57 | captain_proton | 64 bytes from ::1: icmp_seq=1 ttl=255 time=0.051 ms |
| 00:47.08 | captain_proton | at least i've got localhost on v6 ;) |
| 00:47.17 | dougheckaa | haah |
| 00:47.23 | captain_proton | i'm pretty sure i can get around the public IP thing somehow |
| 00:47.29 | dougheckaa | freenode has ipv6 |
| 00:47.31 | captain_proton | just need to figure out how |
| 00:47.47 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 00:47.51 | dougheckaa | good luck :P |
| 00:49.40 | scanline | captain_proton: there's a Cg language spec on nvidia's site |
| 00:51.15 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah |
| 00:52.41 | scanline | ooh.. swizzle operator makes me happy |
| 00:52.46 | captain_proton | at least now i've figured out why i was getting weird behavior with addrconf |
| 00:52.52 | captain_proton | it was assigning a v6 address to eth0 |
| 00:53.08 | dougheckaa | is that bad? |
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| 00:53.32 | captain_proton | dougheckaa: when the connection on eth0 can't do v6, it adds a bunch of routes that don't work |
| 00:53.40 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 00:53.45 | captain_proton | scanline: it looks like getting v6 up come move-in time will be a snap |
| 00:53.49 | captain_proton | since navi will have a public IP |
| 00:54.04 | captain_proton | we can get a /48 and route everything through it |
| 00:54.11 | scanline | well, we will have 5 public IPs |
| 00:54.17 | dougheckaa | heh |
| 00:55.03 | dougheckaa | I know a (soon-to-be) client who has the whole freaking network on public ips |
| 00:55.23 | dougheckaa | we saw everybit of public info on those boxes |
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| 00:59.56 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah, but we can still route all v6 traffic through navi |
| 01:00.22 | doughecka | is it possible to "buy" a single ip address? |
| 01:00.31 | captain_proton | doughecka: umm...depends |
| 01:00.48 | doughecka | hm |
| 01:00.55 | captain_proton | if you have a really good ISP, they'll arrange routing for an arbitrary address |
| 01:01.02 | captain_proton | usually you just get something through your ISP |
| 01:01.13 | doughecka | hmm, yea |
| 01:01.18 | doughecka | scanline: nice :P |
| 01:02.17 | captain_proton | scanline: i want to get the book because it actually has readable explainations of a lot of things, plus its full of formulas for things like the fresnel effect |
| 01:02.38 | scanline | captain_proton: ok.. though this language spec is actually very readable |
| 01:02.43 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:02.51 | captain_proton | but it doesn't actually tell you any techniques for rendering stuff |
| 01:07.57 | scanline | mwahaha... the GF3's profile doesn't support if, but it does support the ternary operator |
| 01:15.56 | fiberchunks | looks real good Patlabor221 |
| 01:29.59 | captain_proton | bwahaha |
| 01:30.02 | captain_proton | ima gonna order it =) |
| 01:30.16 | captain_proton | i can get about an addition $5 off through my mom's work |
| 01:30.52 | doughecka | where does your mom work? barns&noble? |
| 01:31.07 | captain_proton | no, but they have a dealybob with barnes & noble |
| 01:31.14 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 01:33.44 | scanline | Patlabor221: so.. decided whether you're taking pity on my textures yet? |
| 01:39.25 | Patlabor221 | scanline, no I've been doing something else, http://www.bakadigital.com/done.jpg |
| 01:39.40 | scanline | Patlabor221: I know.. I mean for your next project :) |
| 01:39.44 | doughecka | purty |
| 01:39.48 | scanline | the tank is looking quite nice though |
| 01:40.00 | Patlabor221 | I have some nice wall textures you can use at work |
| 01:40.09 | doughecka | still needs some neon lights though |
| 01:40.10 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:40.10 | scanline | I really like the treads. The body is good. Barrel kinda needs improvement though |
| 01:40.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah I didn't know what to do for the barell |
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| 01:43.08 | captain_proton | hmm, this is damn cool |
| 01:43.09 | fiberchunks | nice stuff Patlabor221 |
| 01:43.10 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 01:43.19 | captain_proton | you can assign any number of inet6 addresses to an interface without aliasing |
| 01:43.25 | captain_proton | and scope them =) |
| 01:43.31 | scanline | Patlabor221: the barrel would be fine if it lined up right and the texture wasn't so stretched out |
| 01:44.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what I need to tweak |
| 01:44.26 | Patlabor221 | milkshape dosn't have a cylindrical UV map tool :( |
| 01:49.11 | captain_proton | this is bizzare |
| 01:49.21 | captain_proton | glxinfo isn't reporting either of the fragment program extensions |
| 01:49.28 | captain_proton | but somehow fragment programs work |
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| 01:50.34 | doughecka | yth did ya ping me? |
| 01:50.48 | fiberchunks | blender imports dxf a treat -- yay, I don't have to mess around with importing .lwo or any of that jazz |
| 01:50.50 | BigSteve350 | sorry, just experimenting with the client... |
| 01:51.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:55.12 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/images/newtank/colors.jpg |
| 01:55.48 | scanline | way better than the old colors :) |
| 01:55.50 | doughecka | sweet, now does bzflag support all this cool prettyness? |
| 01:55.57 | scanline | though we need a white one still, for rabbit |
| 01:56.12 | Patlabor221 | arn't you done coding it up doug? |
| 01:56.19 | Patlabor221 | you did get the memo didn't yu? |
| 01:56.26 | doughecka | memos? :P |
| 01:56.34 | Patlabor221 | the green one looks minty |
| 01:56.37 | scanline | lemme get you another copy of that memo |
| 01:56.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah, check your inbox doug |
| 01:56.47 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 01:56.49 | Patlabor221 | what are you here for |
| 01:57.05 | doughecka | coding up texture support |
| 01:57.07 | scanline | ooh |
| 01:57.09 | doughecka | for, um, tanks |
| 01:57.21 | Patlabor221 | and don't forget to hook up model reading |
| 01:57.28 | doughecka | yea, first thing to do is learn C++ |
| 01:57.35 | doughecka | right |
| 01:57.37 | scanline | doughecka: or python :) |
| 01:57.51 | doughecka | scanline: hmm.......... |
| 01:57.52 | Patlabor221 | language is easy, just a tool |
| 01:57.58 | fiberchunks | looks good Patlabor221 -- looks real good |
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| 01:58.57 | Patlabor221 | thanks fiber |
| 01:59.01 | fiberchunks | but scanline is def. right, that barrel has misalignment going on :) |
| 01:59.06 | Patlabor221 | as scanline says I have to fix the barrel |
| 01:59.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:59.35 | scanline | it would also be nice if the texture in the front could be less stretched |
| 01:59.39 | fiberchunks | I thought you said NIST or something was a superior texturing tool ? |
| 01:59.47 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 01:59.57 | Patlabor221 | but sadly it only does quake 2 models |
| 01:59.57 | fiberchunks | you don't have it? |
| 01:59.57 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 02:00.09 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 02:00.09 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 02:00.11 | Patlabor221 | but this isn't a q2 model |
| 02:00.18 | Patlabor221 | and I would not put it in q2 format |
| 02:00.23 | Patlabor221 | as it would kill it |
| 02:00.37 | fiberchunks | damn, I can't wait to see those in game |
| 02:00.56 | Patlabor221 | they only allow +- 128 units of granularity in there vertex data ( signed char ). makes the models "chunky" |
| 02:01.52 | fiberchunks | got yer screamers model saved as a .blend -- imma see if I can get a clue with mapping tomorrow |
| 02:02.01 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 02:02.07 | Patlabor221 | did it save the existing maping? |
| 02:02.52 | fiberchunks | not sure -- and since I'm so new at it, I have no way of really knowing |
| 02:03.02 | fiberchunks | I'll have to read some tonight and tomorrow |
| 02:03.17 | fiberchunks | working on a cpl docs right now |
| 02:03.25 | Patlabor221 | easyest way would be to apply the texture to the material and see if it shows :) |
| 02:05.50 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 02:07.16 | fiberchunks | heh, I'll have to read that tutorial again to remember how to do that :) |
| 02:07.27 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/images/newtank/white.jpg |
| 02:07.33 | Patlabor221 | there's your wabbit |
| 02:11.52 | fiberchunks | might wanna make that a touch brighter for those of us with funky monitors -- every time I play, my screen goes blackish, and I have to mouse-click in the window to get it to normal |
| 02:12.12 | fiberchunks | well, it's not my monitor, but probably my wm |
| 02:17.53 | Patlabor221 | these are not gama comped for the game |
| 02:20.09 | scanline | hey, you can actually see a horizontal line of noise on a monitor when lightning strikes nearby |
| 02:20.34 | doughecka | hey, I would unplug everything, like, now |
| 02:20.45 | scanline | not that nearby |
| 02:20.48 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:20.49 | doughecka | ok |
| 02:21.15 | scanline | it's not noise from the power lines, it's RF noise |
| 02:22.49 | fiberchunks | man I love lyx |
| 02:24.54 | fiberchunks | too bad it isn't used in my corporate environment -- I may have to work on that |
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| 02:26.04 | Michaelh | does insert on a map return anything? |
| 02:27.11 | Michaelh | another iterator ? |
| 02:28.33 | Patlabor221 | probably, hit F1 |
| 02:29.46 | Michaelh | The msdn collection does not exist :) |
| 02:29.55 | Michaelh | been playing with my drives :) |
| 02:29.57 | Patlabor221 | you didn't install it? |
| 02:30.08 | scanline | http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/table_of_contents.html |
| 02:30.09 | Patlabor221 | just look at the prototype |
| 02:41.28 | captain_proton | hmm, i never realized |
| 02:41.33 | captain_proton | there's a scapegoat object in the csops moo |
| 03:07.51 | Michaelh | I'm separating out the server cache thingee .. saw it in the todo.. |
| 03:12.47 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/platforms.jpeg |
| 03:14.13 | Michaelh | well sure .. it isn't exactly sexy .. but still ... |
| 03:22.52 | captain_proton | scanline: i ordered the book =) |
| 03:23.03 | fiberchunks | ooo, very nice scan |
| 03:26.35 | scanline | captain_proton: hooray! I might have to borrow it after you become a Cg guru :) |
| 03:27.18 | scanline | fiberchunks: are you kidding or is hell freezing over? :) |
| 03:28.23 | scanline | ha, someone's firing a gun outside or something, and my mom's calling the cops |
| 03:33.02 | fiberchunks | nah, I like em :) |
| 03:33.33 | fiberchunks | definitely a large improvement over the current stuff |
| 03:43.52 | scanline | well, the big experiment is automatically applying different textures to boxes in current bzflag worlds |
| 03:44.30 | scanline | like right now, it uses that concrete-with-bolts texture for the edges of thin boxes that aren't on the ground, and it puts tread stains on what it thinks are bridges, big oil splotches on squareish large boxen |
| 03:45.54 | scanline | and I think I need to move the oil/tread stains into a separate rendering pass so I can avoid these Z-buffer artifacts.. |
| 03:48.11 | captain_proton | hah |
| 03:50.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 3 dirs): More texture tweaking. Removes the old concrete_dark and lighted_girder textures that sucked, adds a new platform edge texture that's a good bit better. Beginning the process of fixing up the box tops. |
| 03:50.55 | scanline | a general 'decal' rendering pass would be cool though.. could add bzflag logos onto random boxes :) |
| 04:04.09 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:06.00 | captain_proton | scanline: you multitextured the pyramids? |
| 04:06.08 | scanline | no |
| 04:06.25 | scanline | I have no idea what I want them to look like yet, so I just made a blue-tinted concrete texture for them until something better comes along |
| 04:06.31 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 04:06.53 | scanline | I'm pretty sure I'll want something completely different depending on the pyramid's slope |
| 04:07.19 | captain_proton | damn that grass is pretty |
| 04:07.20 | scanline | tall pyramids could be some kind of tower, maybe with a flag or some other decoration on top... very flat pyramids could be water :) |
| 04:07.28 | scanline | it's funny, the grass was so simple... |
| 04:07.36 | scanline | it's just some green-tinted noise and a plasma fractal |
| 04:09.49 | fiberchunks | wheres the screeny :) |
| 04:09.58 | fiberchunks | of this purty grass |
| 04:10.03 | scanline | you can see it in that last screenshot I posted |
| 04:10.08 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:10.10 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/platforms.jpeg |
| 04:10.26 | fiberchunks | oh, that is nice |
| 04:10.36 | scanline | or here, this is a better one: |
| 04:10.37 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/new_grass_and_concrete.jpeg |
| 04:11.01 | fiberchunks | wow, that looks quite like a well-manicured lawn :) |
| 04:11.07 | scanline | it actually isn't quite the same anywhere in the level, since there's a very big lightmap type dealy that covers it all |
| 04:11.41 | fiberchunks | is that sshot with the new brick textures too? |
| 04:11.52 | scanline | no, that's the old brick |
| 04:11.58 | scanline | I made a new brick, but it still sucks |
| 04:12.05 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:12.07 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/new_brick_and_wall.jpeg |
| 04:12.19 | scanline | I kind of like the new wall |
| 04:12.50 | fiberchunks | I like the new wall, you're right though, the brick needs work :) |
| 04:13.01 | fiberchunks | but it's better than I could ever do |
| 04:13.06 | scanline | it didn't turn out anything like I was expecting |
| 04:13.22 | fiberchunks | hrm -- /me goes digging on the web for a minute |
| 04:13.37 | scanline | but you have to understand, I have this thing against using 'clip art' |
| 04:14.54 | fiberchunks | heh, it won't be clip art if I find something good |
| 04:15.04 | fiberchunks | and you can always goof with it in gimp |
| 04:15.14 | scanline | it's not the quality I care about |
| 04:15.42 | scanline | if you find a photograph of brick that we can turn into a texture, that'd be fine.. but I hate just plopping in art someone else drew for a completely different purpose |
| 04:15.54 | fiberchunks | yah, no, it'll be a photo most likely |
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| 04:16.26 | scanline | if this texture goop with pybzflag actually turns out alright-looking, I'm sure we could do a similar technique in bzflag |
| 04:16.57 | fiberchunks | http://www.grsites.com/textures/brick001.shtml << oodles of brick texture photos |
| 04:17.07 | fiberchunks | that would be sweet |
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| 04:17.21 | Megachirops | G'evening everybody |
| 04:17.25 | scanline | those are really low-res |
| 04:17.37 | scanline | I'm shooting for 512x512 textures in most cases |
| 04:17.52 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:21.39 | captain_proton | woo! |
| 04:21.41 | captain_proton | sysfs is cool |
| 04:23.26 | fiberchunks | hrm, what about this one: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~akatosh/brick~images/strangeways.jpg |
| 04:23.44 | fiberchunks | ah, nm -- low res |
| 04:23.47 | scanline | dithering is bad |
| 04:24.00 | captain_proton | scanline: you could get something from mikeeusa's archives |
| 04:24.11 | scanline | captain_proton: oh boy, I should! |
| 04:24.24 | scanline | and then after I fix it up in gimp, it would end up right back in the archives |
| 04:25.21 | fiberchunks | what's this mikeeusa? |
| 04:25.23 | scanline | hrm.. glPolygonOffset really doesn't like me |
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| 04:26.04 | scanline | aha, there's a glEnable I need |
| 04:26.10 | fiberchunks | found it |
| 04:26.21 | Megachirops | may i join the 1.9 project? |
| 04:26.27 | fiberchunks | ah, bzflag stuff is in there :) |
| 04:27.43 | captain_proton | Megachirops: what do you want to work on? |
| 04:27.46 | scanline | hmmm |
| 04:27.53 | scanline | now here's an interesting technique to avoid z-fighting: |
| 04:28.02 | captain_proton | hah, he stole the arkhart textures too |
| 04:28.09 | scanline | render everything in the scene once normally |
| 04:28.18 | scanline | render everything again with z-writes off and depth buffer offset |
| 04:29.32 | Megachirops | i could work on anything you need done |
| 04:29.48 | scanline | ugh.. his blender models are all flat shaded with very few polygons... |
| 04:30.08 | captain_proton | Megachirops: well - take a look at TODO & BUGS, see what strikes your fancy |
| 04:31.07 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (TODO): pruning old entry |
| 04:31.18 | scanline | hahahahaha |
| 04:31.26 | scanline | he has a texture pack in there that's just perlin noise |
| 04:31.33 | scanline | stuff you could generate in Gimp in about 2 seconds |
| 04:31.53 | captain_proton | scanline: but its open source! you don't have to spend those two seconds because he's done it for you! |
| 04:32.09 | scanline | actually, that's not even fractal perlin noise, just plain old perlin noise |
| 04:32.39 | scanline | captain_proton: that's a good point |
| 04:33.44 | Megachirops | I'll take a look at that CP.. thx |
| 04:34.22 | fiberchunks | http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/gorbull-512.jpg ?? |
| 04:36.18 | scanline | looks like it's been underwater a little too long |
| 04:36.25 | captain_proton | lotsa jpg artifacts in that |
| 04:37.35 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:37.50 | scanline | captain_proton: any idea why textures with alpha wouldn't be working when GL_BLEND is on? |
| 04:38.41 | captain_proton | scanline: hmm...nope |
| 04:38.48 | captain_proton | perhaps the alpha channel is getting lost somewhere? |
| 04:39.06 | scanline | could be... I should make sure PIL is converting to RGBA properly |
| 04:39.06 | Megachirops | well.. GTG... TTY'all later |
| 04:39.45 | scanline | hmm |
| 04:40.05 | scanline | the alpha of the first pixel of each image straight out of PIL is always 255 |
| 04:44.40 | scanline | hmmm |
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| 04:51.57 | fiberchunks | http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/p3280043.jpg << think you could use that? I have a fort right next to my house |
| 04:52.25 | fiberchunks | big ole monement -- ancient stone house used as a library -- I can takes photos of any of em if you'd like |
| 04:52.32 | fiberchunks | s/monement/monument |
| 04:53.56 | scanline | that might actually work |
| 04:54.01 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:54.03 | scanline | I'll play with it in gimp after I fix this blending problem |
| 04:54.13 | scanline | thanks |
| 04:54.50 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:55.03 | fiberchunks | it's rotated a bit off kilter |
| 04:55.08 | scanline | that's easy to fix |
| 04:55.18 | fiberchunks | the monument has some killer stone work -- I should take a front-on shot of it |
| 04:55.27 | fiberchunks | same with the library |
| 04:55.51 | MrApathyCream | is that you in the picture? |
| 04:56.01 | fiberchunks | heh, no, that's my kid :) |
| 04:56.21 | MrApathyCream | thought there was a resemblance |
| 04:56.25 | scanline | aha |
| 04:56.31 | fiberchunks | not biological though |
| 04:56.40 | scanline | captain_proton had this thing hardcoded to 3 channels in the texture |
| 04:56.41 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:56.46 | MrApathyCream | fiberpebbles |
| 04:56.52 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:58.11 | captain_proton | holy crap |
| 04:58.24 | bryjen | batman! |
| 04:58.34 | scanline | holy cold fusion, batman! |
| 04:58.39 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (TODO): add todo |
| 04:58.48 | captain_proton | my inbox is 2.1G?!?!? |
| 04:58.53 | captain_proton | what the hell do i have in there |
| 04:58.58 | MrApathyCream | (all of micah's checkins |
| 04:59.01 | bryjen | p0rn spam |
| 04:59.18 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: those go to a separate folder |
| 04:59.23 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 04:59.56 | captain_proton | i think there must be some large attachments hiding |
| 05:00.13 | bryjen | someone email you some iso's ? |
| 05:00.24 | captain_proton | ooooh sexy |
| 05:00.28 | captain_proton | antialiased goodness |
| 05:04.11 | captain_proton | damn |
| 05:04.14 | captain_proton | evolution 1.4 is pretty |
| 05:04.48 | fiberchunks | I figured you for a mutt kind a guy cap :) |
| 05:05.46 | scanline | hooray for gimp's transform tool in corrective mode |
| 05:06.07 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: heh, naw |
| 05:06.20 | captain_proton | i use evolution because it keeps me organized such that i actually manage to do my homework |
| 05:06.25 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:06.35 | captain_proton | and when i need console email (like on navi), i use mh |
| 05:07.28 | fiberchunks | evo-1.4 is pretty -- just wish it were a little lighter resource wise -- I use sylpheed-claws right now -- but they don't ever plan on supporting gtk2 so I'm looking for a new one |
| 05:10.29 | learner | fiber: love the real genius reference :) |
| 05:10.41 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:10.47 | fiberchunks | one of my favorites |
| 05:10.56 | learner | one of my favorites |
| 05:13.23 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/seamless_brick.png |
| 05:14.30 | fiberchunks | some shadow in the bottom left and right corners that I dunno will match up, and some missing chinking |
| 05:15.06 | fiberchunks | but you could clonify all that crap I imagine |
| 05:15.06 | scanline | it should all tile fine, I shifted the image by 1/2 in each axis and cleaned up the seams |
| 05:15.34 | captain_proton | inbox down to 5.4M |
| 05:15.49 | fiberchunks | that was rapid cap :) |
| 05:17.24 | captain_proton | mostly it was old junk that i kept around because i needed it but then it got buried |
| 05:17.27 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/bricks_in_game.jpeg |
| 05:17.42 | scanline | would definitely look better if I filled in those missing bricks :) |
| 05:17.48 | fiberchunks | yeah |
| 05:18.07 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: re: synctime, it should just be folded into the MsgSetVar thing |
| 05:18.10 | captain_proton | once we have it |
| 05:18.32 | fiberchunks | heh, it's like there's peepholes everywhere :) |
| 05:18.40 | MrApathyCream | otay |
| 05:19.47 | fiberchunks | scanline> how does one do a corrective rotate in gimp? |
| 05:20.00 | fiberchunks | I found the rotate tool, but dunno bout corrective mode |
| 05:20.14 | scanline | use the transform tool.. double click it to get the tool options, hit the 'corrective' radio button |
| 05:20.20 | fiberchunks | ah, cool, thx |
| 05:20.32 | scanline | then drag the quadrilateral around the area you want, it will zoom it to the size of the image |
| 05:20.37 | captain_proton | ooo |
| 05:20.42 | captain_proton | gnome.org is all pretty now |
| 05:22.49 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/bricks_in_game.jpeg |
| 05:23.06 | scanline | more touchups with the clone tool, some brightness/contrast stuff |
| 05:23.15 | Patlabor221 | now you made the grass look like crap :) |
| 05:25.11 | scanline | it's just zoomed too close |
| 05:25.17 | scanline | I should change the repeats on the grass... |
| 05:26.30 | fiberchunks | the right side of the texture is just a touch funky |
| 05:26.33 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/better.jpeg |
| 05:27.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:27.33 | fiberchunks | and perhaps those pinkish bricks should be grayified a bit |
| 05:27.59 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (8 files in 4 dirs): New brick, changed the scale on the grass, added a decal rendering pass |
| 05:28.06 | scanline | could just recolor it to something more red like the old texture |
| 05:28.40 | fiberchunks | but hey, you're using my photo, so I shouldn't gripe ;) |
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| 05:32.32 | Patlabor221 | here is a wall for you, http://www.bakadigital.com/hsptl_wallpainted_gray.jpg |
| 05:32.58 | scanline | the whole thing, or just the top part? |
| 05:33.30 | Patlabor221 | it all repeats |
| 05:33.35 | Patlabor221 | gives a nice 2 tone |
| 05:33.41 | Patlabor221 | if you want just the top I can get you that |
| 05:34.09 | scanline | well, it's just that the bottom part is awfully black |
| 05:34.17 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:34.21 | captain_proton | bzflag tanks need a racing stripe |
| 05:35.07 | learner | you add that and people are gonna start asking for spoilers and big*ss tailpipes too |
| 05:35.19 | captain_proton | =) |
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| 05:35.45 | Patlabor221 | use my new model and put it in the texture |
| 05:36.54 | Patlabor221 | here's franks grass www.bakadigital.com/grass.jpg |
| 05:37.28 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/multitextured_new_brick.jpeg |
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| 05:38.09 | learner | and the fun begins |
| 05:38.21 | fiberchunks | I like that alot cept for the top 2 rows o bricks on the low part |
| 05:38.24 | captain_proton | "one last rehubbing" |
| 05:38.42 | learner | this week |
| 05:39.04 | Patlabor221 | and here is the ground I was gonna use, www.bakadigital.com/ground.png |
| 05:39.12 | Patlabor221 | that one should look better |
| 05:39.14 | Patlabor221 | higher res |
| 05:40.00 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 05:40.07 | captain_proton | i gotta screenshot this shader i just wound up with |
| 05:40.17 | Patlabor221 | and this is good for pyramids, www.bakadigital.com/marble10.jpg |
| 05:40.30 | fiberchunks | 404 |
| 05:40.30 | Patlabor221 | sorry .png |
| 05:41.20 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/marble10.png |
| 05:41.31 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/haha.jpg |
| 05:42.00 | Patlabor221 | funky environ map |
| 05:42.12 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:42.25 | captain_proton | straight environ map |
| 05:42.42 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tweaking the brick |
| 05:42.52 | fiberchunks | what is a .nvb? |
| 05:45.59 | captain_proton | nvidia's funky scene description format |
| 05:46.30 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:46.30 | scanline | probably completely undocumented, to discourage people from pilfering their nice models |
| 05:48.32 | captain_proton | nice RGB-cube-mapped car |
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| 05:50.35 | fiberchunks | learner -- you still around? |
| 05:58.20 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:58.37 | learner | fiber: yup |
| 05:58.56 | captain_proton | scanline: did you have a link for it? |
| 05:59.09 | scanline | for what? |
| 05:59.15 | captain_proton | decals |
| 05:59.25 | scanline | 'man glPolygonOffset' |
| 05:59.52 | scanline | I already knew pretty much how they worked, but had to google around a bit to find a glEnable I was missing |
| 06:00.56 | scanline | aha.. two problems... |
| 06:01.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/data (oilstain_1.png): Fix alpha channel |
| 06:01.14 | scanline | the Texture class wasn't loading alpha channels right, plus somehow I managed not to save the image with alpha when I was editing it |
| 06:01.39 | captain_proton | aha |
| 06:02.06 | captain_proton | so it draws the polygon but does it in the next depth buffer 'slot' from the polgon you're decalling? |
| 06:02.12 | scanline | yep |
| 06:02.18 | captain_proton | cute idea :) |
| 06:02.30 | scanline | a bit of a hack, but it definitely gets the job done |
| 06:02.47 | scanline | I'm using the decal rendering pass for oil stains and such on the boxen.. though we could also use it for some easter eggs :) |
| 06:03.00 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:03.01 | scanline | there are a couple quake 3 levels that have Dust Puppy decals on the underside of the level |
| 06:05.42 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Fix alpha channels on the other decal images |
| 06:07.37 | captain_proton | scanline: did you do some zbuffer hack? |
| 06:07.46 | captain_proton | i'm not getting conflicts anymore |
| 06:07.46 | scanline | no |
| 06:08.07 | scanline | that's because the main concrete texture is world-aligned, and the smudges that I'm in the process of adding will be decals that don't write to the z-buffer |
| 06:08.25 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 06:08.27 | captain_proton | that would explain it |
| 06:08.42 | scanline | there are still z-buffer errors on the walls in a lot of places |
| 06:09.04 | scanline | the pillar edges in decks, the outer wall in RunRabbitRun |
| 06:09.19 | scanline | I want to add depth to the outer wall though |
| 06:09.28 | captain_proton | outer wall in d46 |
| 06:09.37 | scanline | I need a copy of d46 for testing |
| 06:10.08 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/dinner4six |
| 06:10.12 | scanline | yay |
| 06:10.23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:10.27 | captain_proton | that'd be a fun rabbit level |
| 06:10.44 | scanline | 00:10:32 ERROR 403: Forbidden. |
| 06:10.46 | captain_proton | we should all play d46 tomorrow :) |
| 06:10.47 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 06:10.59 | captain_proton | try now |
| 06:11.03 | scanline | yay |
| 06:11.48 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files in 2 dirs): oops, remove some debug code I didn't mean to commit |
| 06:13.29 | scanline | ooh |
| 06:13.38 | scanline | the large teleporters in d46 look cool against the grass |
| 06:14.09 | scanline | the concrete, brick, and bolts make for an odd looking chair :) |
| 06:14.53 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 06:16.32 | scanline | wow.. my monitor really needed degaussing |
| 06:17.17 | scanline | hrm.. there's this brighter-than-usual line near the bottom of the screen that wiggles a bit |
| 06:18.54 | captain_proton | hmm Patlabor221 |
| 06:19.00 | captain_proton | you think spiff actually owns lw7? |
| 06:20.23 | Patlabor221 | I know he dosn't |
| 06:20.40 | captain_proton | perhaps you should give him a lecture on piracy, stealing and morality ;-) |
| 06:20.45 | Patlabor221 | not like he "uses" it tho |
| 06:20.51 | Patlabor221 | me?!?! |
| 06:21.53 | scanline | I could teach him blender! |
| 06:21.56 | Patlabor221 | tho I think I have a legit copy of MAX round here somehwere |
| 06:22.34 | Patlabor221 | loathe that app tho |
| 06:22.45 | captain_proton | i used to play with max |
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| 06:56.58 | scanline | whee |
| 06:57.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 3 dirs): Cleaned up box detection code, rework oil/tread stains to use decals |
| 06:58.49 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/high_traffic_area.jpeg |
| 06:58.59 | scanline | no z-buffer errors there :) |
| 06:59.43 | fiberchunks | ooo, that's purty -- looks like people been stomping on the gas just 'fore the 'porter |
| 06:59.45 | learner | now if those tracks were auto-generated based on real player movement -- we would totally rock |
| 06:59.56 | scanline | hmm, that would be possible |
| 07:00.07 | scanline | will have to wait until this is actually something playable rather than just a neat toy though |
| 07:00.15 | learner | yea |
| 07:00.34 | fiberchunks | hey, scanline -- a general question, have you ever looked @ twisted? |
| 07:00.39 | scanline | get codin :) |
| 07:00.46 | scanline | fiberchunks: yep. used it a little.. it's what CIA is written iwth |
| 07:00.48 | scanline | er, with |
| 07:00.57 | fiberchunks | thoughts, opinions? |
| 07:01.05 | scanline | really neat, need to learn more about it :) |
| 07:01.15 | fiberchunks | good deal |
| 07:01.48 | fiberchunks | I've read a little bit of the docs tonight -- seems like a nice package for network stuff (too bad UDP support isn't quite stable yet) |
| 07:02.27 | scanline | learner: if this did make it into the cpp codebase, would need a good way to scale down the textures for older video cards |
| 07:02.31 | fiberchunks | alrighty -- off to bed - gnite yall |
| 07:02.48 | scanline | learner: this should already deal with lack of multitexturing support alright, but it does use a few big textures |
| 07:03.22 | captain_proton | anyone here have photoshop? |
| 07:03.29 | learner | yea, that's a bigger problem in general too.. client optimization could probably use some work |
| 07:03.41 | learner | cap, yes |
| 07:04.06 | scanline | learner: well, this really sucks VRAM.. that teleporter has 33 textures, there are several 512x512 textures.. |
| 07:04.21 | captain_proton | learner: it has a paper-texture thingy, right? |
| 07:04.30 | scanline | still not as much as something like quake3 I'm sure, because they have a lot more textures |
| 07:05.02 | scanline | gimp has a paper pattern thingy |
| 07:05.03 | learner | we all have at least 32mb right? :) |
| 07:05.42 | captain_proton | scanline: it does? |
| 07:05.54 | scanline | captain_proton: yep.. "Crinkled Paper (128x128)" |
| 07:06.39 | captain_proton | scanline: where is that? |
| 07:06.57 | scanline | double-click the little pattern sample in the toolbox, you'll get the pattern selection window |
| 07:07.18 | captain_proton | ah, neat |
| 07:08.01 | learner | heh |
| 07:08.45 | scanline | hooray for decals |
| 07:08.58 | scanline | maybe this should randomly put a "Property of Tim Riker" logo on some of the boxes :) |
| 07:09.06 | captain_proton | i still need someone with photoshop |
| 07:09.12 | captain_proton | http://developer.nvidia.com/view.asp?IO=ps_texture_compression_plugin <-- grab the plugin |
| 07:09.46 | captain_proton | then convert these: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/tex/ |
| 07:09.48 | captain_proton | to .dds |
| 07:09.53 | captain_proton | if you would =) |
| 07:12.50 | learner | doesn't look good |
| 07:13.58 | learner | yea.. the plugin is dependant on dx9 |
| 07:14.34 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 07:19.04 | scanline | why do you need compressed textures? |
| 07:19.26 | scanline | trying to replace the ones in the car model? :) |
| 07:20.10 | captain_proton | was trying to do a charcoal technique |
| 07:22.04 | captain_proton | seems like cglabs is neat, but not quite ready for prime-time |
| 07:25.37 | captain_proton | scanline: the new decal stuff is amazing on the decks |
| 07:25.53 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:26.15 | scanline | I need to make a couple more decal patterns for different box shapes |
| 07:26.30 | scanline | right now I'm adding some dimension to the walls |
| 07:27.06 | scanline | so that's why there's some caution tape at the top of the wall |
| 07:27.14 | scanline | maybe it should get a sort of glowing texture for the top :) |
| 07:28.31 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:35.38 | captain_proton | whee! |
| 07:35.44 | captain_proton | i'm getting an episode of monk at 175kbps |
| 07:35.54 | scanline | wow |
| 07:42.42 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Thickify the walls |
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| 07:56.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): A force field to keep wayward players in line |
| 07:58.03 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/new_wall.jpeg |
| 07:59.30 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:59.32 | captain_proton | what a great show this is |
| 07:59.51 | captain_proton | ohhhh |
| 07:59.55 | captain_proton | its about a neurotic detective =) |
| 08:00.00 | scanline | ooh :) |
| 08:00.59 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Box.py): Boxes on the ground are not platforms |
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| 08:05.25 | captain_proton | i think you're having too much fun with all of this |
| 08:05.33 | scanline | probably |
| 08:07.30 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): check that config file loaded properly |
| 08:17.45 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 08:17.50 | captain_proton | he ended up as a substitute teacher =) |
| 08:18.05 | scanline | that would be good |
| 08:18.36 | scanline | hmm... this thinks I don't have anisotropic filtering |
| 08:20.31 | captain_proton | i've got it |
| 08:20.33 | captain_proton | GL_EXT_texture_filter_anisotropic |
| 08:20.57 | scanline | yep, glxinfo shows me having it too |
| 08:21.06 | scanline | but pyopengl doesn't think I have it |
| 08:24.21 | captain_proton | hm |
| 08:24.32 | captain_proton | i don't see anything in pygame for loading gl extensions |
| 08:24.55 | scanline | look at the BZFlag.UI.GLExtension module, you can see how it loads multitexturing |
| 08:25.25 | captain_proton | hm, cute |
| 08:25.52 | scanline | but I get: |
| 08:25.54 | scanline | >>> from OpenGL.GL.EXT import texture_filter_anisotropic |
| 08:25.55 | scanline | >>> texture_filter_anisotropic.glInitTexFilterAnisotropicEXT() |
| 08:25.55 | scanline | 0 |
| 08:27.10 | captain_proton | what is the return value supposed to be? |
| 08:27.14 | scanline | 1 |
| 08:27.23 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 08:27.24 | captain_proton | mailing list time? |
| 08:27.33 | scanline | oh hmm |
| 08:27.57 | scanline | but I added the test to GLExtension.py and got the same result |
| 08:29.03 | scanline | er, pyopengl |
| 08:29.26 | scanline | anisotropic filtering would make our surfaces look a lot better from a tank's-eye view |
| 08:29.49 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 08:30.30 | scanline | and more importantly, that little force field dealy quickly turns into a grey mush if you view it edge-on :) |
| 08:31.40 | scanline | hmm, the source to that module is really simple |
| 08:31.51 | scanline | defines the anisotropy-related constants, then the init just runs: |
| 08:31.54 | scanline | def glInitTextureFilterAnisotropicEXT(): |
| 08:31.54 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.54 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:32.22 | captain_proton | odd |
| 08:34.35 | scanline | but if it's just that test that's wrong, I should be able to just go ahead and put code into Texture to enable anisotropic filtering, and ignore any errors it generates |
| 08:34.45 | scanline | but that doesn't seem to work.. so I'm assuming I'm just doing it wrong |
| 08:38.17 | scanline | hah.. NVidia has an example document, but it's for MS Word |
| 08:38.32 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:38.49 | scanline | abiword++ |
| 08:39.22 | scanline | doesn't load any of the images, but it gets the text and the code samples |
| 08:40.18 | captain_proton | i think there's an environment variable associated with anisotropic filtering |
| 08:40.36 | captain_proton | though i'm unsure about whether that just overrides the filter modes that the app sets or enables the extensions |
| 08:40.53 | scanline | shouldn't need an environment var to enable them |
| 08:41.20 | scanline | aha |
| 08:41.29 | scanline | "GL.glGetFloatv(texture_filter_anisotropic.GL_MAX_TEXTURE_MAX_ANISOTROPY_EXT)" returns 8.0 |
| 08:43.17 | captain_proton | cute |
| 08:44.33 | scanline | ah |
| 08:44.40 | scanline | not perfect, but it does seem to help a bit |
| 08:44.59 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Support for anisotropic filtering |
| 08:45.15 | scanline | yay! |
| 08:45.54 | captain_proton | seems to print out a 1 somewhere ;) |
| 08:46.06 | scanline | whoops |
| 08:46.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (GLExtension.py): Smoosh the debuggative cruft |
| 08:50.40 | captain_proton | ok, naptime for me |
| 08:50.44 | scanline | g'night |
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| 10:15.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): Some easter eggs |
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| 11:19.29 | fiberchunks | easter eggs? :) |
| 11:21.42 | scanline | yep |
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| 11:45.46 | david_v | Chestal: i have a question about the match playing setup (ducati port 59999)... seems like anybody can run /superkill - doesn't seem that good to me... |
| 11:49.04 | Chestal | hmm, are you sure? I don't think that it should be possible |
| 11:50.00 | david_v | well, it seems so |
| 11:50.05 | david_v | sussi, my teamie, could do it |
| 11:50.26 | Chestal | maybe it is because of the authentication bug that is in 1.7g2, not sure |
| 11:50.33 | david_v | hmm |
| 11:50.42 | david_v | we can try it now if you want, if nobody's there |
| 11:51.28 | david_v | hm curious, it says unknown command to me, but still sussi did it somehow |
| 11:51.55 | david_v | i think he could do the countdown as well |
| 11:53.19 | david_v | well, the countdown is one thing... i just tried it, and... |
| 11:53.32 | david_v | anyone seems to be able to run that, which means you can restart the timer when you want |
| 11:54.56 | david_v | ha... |
| 11:55.11 | david_v | i just ran a superkill... need to double check though |
| 11:55.44 | david_v | hm... now it does it every time without asking |
| 11:57.44 | david_v | i don't know if this has anything to do with it, but i logged in with another nick and ran "/identify" |
| 11:59.04 | daBomb | ill try it |
| 12:00.34 | david_v | hmm... daBomb can run all the admin commands too, supposedly |
| 12:00.49 | david_v | this is a serious bug, i'd recommend some hacking |
| 12:04.10 | david_v | Chestal: until the server is restarted, all the admin commands (maybe not all, but most critical ones) are available for everybody, without identifying |
| 12:04.30 | david_v | Chestal: i think the bug lies in "/identify" without parameters, seems to be the trigger |
| 12:04.44 | Chestal | the bug is fixed |
| 12:04.44 | Chestal | but g2 still has it |
| 12:04.44 | Chestal | the problem is that the group privileges do not get reset properly |
| 12:05.23 | Chestal | identify withotu parameters should simply give you an error message |
| 12:05.42 | Chestal | liek I said there is a bug that got fixed, where player slot privileges do not get removed when the player leaves |
| 12:06.05 | Chestal | things liek these can hapen easily because of the error prone player slot handling in bzfs |
| 12:06.55 | david_v | yes identify gives an error message without parameters, it was the only thing that made sense though |
| 12:07.18 | Chestal | it should depend on the player slot |
| 12:07.35 | david_v | but if people get to know about this they could make a holocaust in there while folks are playing matches |
| 12:08.35 | Chestal | I restarted the server, should be "fixed" now |
| 12:09.03 | david_v | heh. but do the admin commands get available to anyone else as soon as i leave, or what? or just randomly? |
| 12:10.50 | Chestal | when someone identifies and is in additional groups than the player slot inherits these groups |
| 12:11.04 | Chestal | they should be removed when you leave or someone new joins in the same slot, but they don't |
| 12:11.32 | david_v | "player slot", should that be the same as the Nth player joining? |
| 12:11.48 | Chestal | depends, it's the slot shown in /playerlist |
| 12:11.53 | david_v | ah |
| 12:12.47 | david_v | well thanks then, now i know what to look out for |
| 12:16.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): More box decals |
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| 12:41.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Better look for large non-square boxes |
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| 12:54.02 | fiberchunks | scanline -- how could I get pybzflag to not enable sound, or at least timeout if sound device is busy? |
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| 12:55.56 | scanline | fiberchunks: not sure.. I never tell pygame to do anything sound-related, so it looks like a bug in pygame |
| 12:56.26 | fiberchunks | either that, or by default it turns it on (/me wonders if it initializes joysticks as well) ? |
| 12:56.59 | fiberchunks | bunch of cvs artifacts in latest snap :\ |
| 12:57.08 | scanline | cvs artifacts? |
| 12:58.23 | fiberchunks | >>>>>>> 1.11 |
| 12:58.23 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:58.23 | fiberchunks | <<<<<<< Box.py or are these things that have to be manually merged? |
| 12:58.23 | scanline | it shouldn't do that unless you've modified the file locally.. hmm |
| 12:58.23 | scanline | you'll have to bug captain_proton to make sfsnap get a clean checkout |
| 12:58.23 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 12:58.23 | scanline | I can make a tarball for you after I'm check in this new grass stuff |
| 12:58.27 | scanline | s/I'm/I/ |
| 12:58.28 | fiberchunks | thanks |
| 12:59.56 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Add grass at the bottom edge of boxes that are sitting on the ground |
| 13:02.00 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/pybzflag-20030720-0701.tar.bz2 |
| 13:02.13 | fiberchunks | thanks much scan |
| 13:02.16 | scanline | np |
| 13:04.53 | drinian | Is the pybzflag module going to be included in the next release? I understand they are some python modules that make rendering the graphics better. Is that right? |
| 13:05.12 | scanline | drinian: it's a separate project from bzflag proper, it just happens to be protocol-compatible |
| 13:05.33 | scanline | drinian: right now it's mainly a testing ground for new ideas... this new rendering architecture may eventually make it into the c++ code |
| 13:05.55 | drinian | What's the best way to mess around with it? |
| 13:06.05 | scanline | download, run, edit, repeat :) |
| 13:06.17 | drinian | Mmmm... |
| 13:06.45 | scanline | PyBZFlag itself is a set of modules dealing with graphics, networking, HUD, etc. There are a handful of frontend programs that use that to create level viewers, servers, clients... |
| 13:07.06 | scanline | it doesn't have a complete implementation of a bzflag server or client yet, but it can observe a game in progress |
| 13:07.20 | drinian | What it written from scratch or is it a part of another open source project. |
| 13:07.29 | scanline | from scratch |
| 13:07.39 | scanline | only took a little longer than 2 weeks :) |
| 13:07.53 | drinian | Wow. |
| 13:08.00 | scanline | hmm.. 12k lines of code so far :) |
| 13:08.16 | david_v | that's rather small |
| 13:08.30 | scanline | yep |
| 13:08.30 | david_v | or just efficient, depending on how you look at it :) |
| 13:08.32 | fiberchunks | your decal code doesn't check for box intersection does it? ;) |
| 13:08.48 | scanline | fiberchunks: nope.. nothing does actual collision/intersection testing yet |
| 13:08.55 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 13:09.21 | fiberchunks | interesting goofiness when a box and a platform collide |
| 13:09.27 | scanline | fiberchunks: if you're seeing z-buffer artifacts though that's probably not from decals, as those are done in a separate rendering pass without z-buffer writes turned on |
| 13:09.33 | scanline | yes, that's just the box sides |
| 13:09.46 | scanline | there are a couple ways that might get fixed... |
| 13:09.56 | scanline | could actually test for intersections, but that's painful and still error-prone |
| 13:10.20 | drinian | scanline: If PyBZFlag eventually makes it into the c++ code, does that mean it would be rewritten in c++ or is there a way to link the python code? |
| 13:10.22 | scanline | could just give objects with different side textures Z-buffer offsets :) |
| 13:10.43 | scanline | drinian: it would be rewritten in C. If the rendering code stays in python, there's really no point to having any of it in C++ |
| 13:10.49 | scanline | s/C/C++/ |
| 13:11.09 | scanline | still, i've been really impressed with python's speediness for this |
| 13:11.17 | fiberchunks | ditto |
| 13:11.28 | scanline | almost all the CPU load is for initialization, after that it can dump each rendering pass into a display list or two |
| 13:11.38 | fiberchunks | I didn't think it could handle things of this nature, it's quite surprising really |
| 13:11.39 | drinian | I thought I saw someone saying that you could use vrml like from blender with it. Is that right? |
| 13:11.54 | scanline | drinian: yes, I wrote a very minimal VRML parser for this to load models with |
| 13:12.03 | drinian | Now that is cool. |
| 13:12.26 | scanline | VRML is a nasty format, but it was the best thing I could export with blender without a plugin :) |
| 13:13.04 | drinian | It would be excellent to be able to use blender for making some of the graphics in BZFlag. |
| 13:13.26 | fiberchunks | scanline> http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/flag.png |
| 13:14.33 | scanline | fiberchunks: hehe.. it's supposed to be "BZFLAG" of course, but you just found the easy easter egg :) |
| 13:14.40 | scanline | there's another better one that's much less common |
| 13:14.53 | fiberchunks | oh, that's an easter egg? :) |
| 13:15.02 | scanline | hehe, a little one |
| 13:15.07 | scanline | it's common enough I'm sure everyone will find it |
| 13:15.16 | fiberchunks | the 'water pyramids' are sexy |
| 13:15.28 | scanline | actually I haven't really done anything with the pyramids yet |
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| 13:15.52 | scanline | they just have a concrete texture I colored blue... I was about to try doing more interesting things with the pyramids, after I make some more coffee :) |
| 13:16.09 | scanline | for example make the tall ones into some kind of tower, the really flat ones into water... |
| 13:16.15 | fiberchunks | man, do you _ever_ sleep? ;) |
| 13:16.28 | scanline | yeah, just not when most people do |
| 13:16.44 | fiberchunks | that would be sweet -- some sort of effect like the teleports have would be uber-cool on the flat pyrs |
| 13:16.48 | scanline | I only work half-time, this summer, so it seems to work |
| 13:16.53 | scanline | yep |
| 13:17.01 | scanline | animated textures are really easy with this system :) |
| 13:17.06 | fiberchunks | the platform concrete is real nice |
| 13:17.15 | scanline | thanks |
| 13:17.33 | scanline | it has a few different modes it goes into depending on the size and width/length ratio of the box |
| 13:17.45 | fiberchunks | oh, and those are my bricks too? neat |
| 13:17.50 | scanline | yep! |
| 13:17.52 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 13:17.58 | scanline | messed with them in gimp quite a bit |
| 13:18.20 | fiberchunks | heh, there's a tank in here |
| 13:18.54 | scanline | oh hmm.. |
| 13:19.07 | scanline | I think I forgot to have it test whether the tank is alive before displaying it |
| 13:19.20 | fiberchunks | ah, and grass up the middle pillar |
| 13:19.35 | fiberchunks | I do it in observer usually |
| 13:20.15 | scanline | worldviewer is nice because I don't have to wait for it to connect :) |
| 13:20.26 | fiberchunks | yah -- but that's why I use observer :) |
| 13:21.01 | scanline | notice the walls? |
| 13:22.12 | fiberchunks | http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/neatness.png << |
| 13:22.20 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:22.38 | fiberchunks | thickness! yay! |
| 13:22.56 | fiberchunks | but why is it in the pillar? ;) |
| 13:23.06 | fiberchunks | the grass up the pillar is neat -- intentional? |
| 13:23.12 | scanline | yes |
| 13:23.47 | fiberchunks | oooo, seg fault -- you want a traceback? |
| 13:23.52 | scanline | segfault? |
| 13:23.56 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 13:24.05 | fiberchunks | Pygame Parachute Traceback: |
| 13:24.05 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:24.05 | fiberchunks | Fatal Python error: (pygame parachute) Segmentation Fault |
| 13:24.05 | fiberchunks | Aborted |
| 13:24.14 | scanline | hmm... python shouldn't segfault unless there's a bug in the interpreter or one of the modules |
| 13:24.14 | fiberchunks | well, with pygame anyway |
| 13:24.37 | fiberchunks | well, I am running 2.2.3 -- so perhaps that's it |
| 13:24.44 | scanline | I'm running the same |
| 13:25.11 | scanline | hmm, I suppose after I spiff up the pyramids I might want to think about some sort of sky |
| 13:25.39 | fiberchunks | I have a couple of nice (although low-res :\ ) alaskan mountain scapes if you'd like to look at em |
| 13:25.56 | scanline | that'd be cool |
| 13:26.09 | scanline | captain_proton also mentioned that 1.8 has some neat sky code we could adapt for pybzflag |
| 13:26.36 | fiberchunks | hrm, I can't seem to get the camera to ground level (i.e. tank-eye view) |
| 13:26.54 | scanline | use ctrl-right to adjust the height of the camera focus |
| 13:27.22 | fiberchunks | yah, I am, but it stops, what looks like a tank height or 1.5 above the groun |
| 13:27.22 | fiberchunks | d |
| 13:27.57 | scanline | if you use ctrl-right to move the focus to the ground then right to tilt the camera all the way down it will be at exactly ground height |
| 13:28.32 | fiberchunks | hrm -- odd that it didn't do that before -- sorry pilot error :\ |
| 13:28.46 | scanline | np |
| 13:29.24 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/the_name_of_the_game.jpeg |
| 13:29.46 | fiberchunks | decals are _sweet_! |
| 13:29.51 | scanline | indeed :) |
| 13:29.55 | scanline | so much fun, so little code |
| 13:30.15 | fiberchunks | is that a drop-shadow I see as well? |
| 13:30.37 | scanline | hm.. probably not. that's the exact image bzflag uses on the title screen |
| 13:30.44 | fiberchunks | lol, you should make a neon 'eat at joes' decal -- that blinks ;) |
| 13:30.46 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 13:31.12 | fiberchunks | hrmph, another pygame parachute -- odd |
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| 13:32.41 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/easter_egg.jpeg |
| 13:32.56 | fiberchunks | ahahahahaha |
| 13:33.44 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 13:34.29 | fiberchunks | how difficult do you think all this joy would be to slap into bz proper? |
| 13:34.49 | scanline | dunno, I'm not familiar with its rendering code |
| 13:35.19 | scanline | it would probably need a real system for managing texture groups and rendering passes like pybzflag has |
| 13:35.35 | fiberchunks | patlabor's been talking about that for some time now |
| 13:35.38 | scanline | there's a certain purity python brings to it though :) |
| 13:35.48 | scanline | it takes about 5 lines of code to add a new rendering pass to pybzflag |
| 13:36.02 | fiberchunks | 8) |
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| 13:36.49 | fiberchunks | it actually looks like a real game now -- can't wait to see it with pl's tanks |
| 13:36.57 | scanline | indeed |
| 13:37.02 | strayer | hiho :) |
| 13:37.17 | scanline | will probably need to fix up the model loader though... this VRML code doesn't do texture coords because blender can't export those to VRML |
| 13:37.40 | scanline | suppose I could get a wavefront .obj from him, those are really easy to load |
| 13:37.40 | fiberchunks | hah! there's a box clear in the middle of nowhere on learners server |
| 13:37.58 | scanline | the gerbil map? |
| 13:38.09 | fiberchunks | blender needs to integrate import / export filters in the codebase, imho |
| 13:38.18 | fiberchunks | 4243 -- whatever map that is |
| 13:38.32 | scanline | well, the python plugin system is a great idea, it just needs to be integrated with the rest of blender better |
| 13:38.45 | scanline | part of that is that the plugin API itself is really in flux and has been for a while... |
| 13:38.59 | fiberchunks | yes, I've tried to get the import/export suite going -- but failed -- can't figure out why |
| 13:39.27 | scanline | yeah.. I think most of them were written for a different API than what's current |
| 13:39.39 | scanline | so that's what drove me to write the VRML loader :) |
| 13:40.06 | fiberchunks | well, there's a new import/export for 2.28, I'm trying to get it going with 2.27 -- I think it's just lack of knowledge on my part how blender does things |
| 13:41.34 | fiberchunks | http://fiberchunks.bakadigital.com/images/leftfield.png |
| 13:41.42 | scanline | hehe, yep |
| 13:41.56 | scanline | that's the gerbil map... found that a few days ago and was just as baffled |
| 13:42.13 | fiberchunks | I thought you had added a single star at first :) |
| 13:42.18 | scanline | hehe |
| 13:43.04 | fiberchunks | brb -- gotta give my dog her insulin shot |
| 13:48.06 | fiberchunks | steel |
| 13:48.21 | fiberchunks | riveted steel |
| 13:48.45 | scanline | hmm, that would be good for pyramids with a slope around 1/2 |
| 13:49.05 | scanline | then very flat pyramids get water and tall pyramids get some kind of pillar type thing |
| 13:49.24 | fiberchunks | black onyx for the uber-tall ones -- make em monoliths :) |
| 13:49.35 | scanline | ooh :) |
| 13:49.42 | fiberchunks | or black marble with white highlights |
| 13:50.05 | fiberchunks | actually - all the pyramids would look bad ass like that |
| 13:50.36 | fiberchunks | then slap logos that say 'dave -- where are you going dave? dave? dave?!?' :) |
| 13:51.12 | scanline | hmm, we do have a monkey head model :) |
| 13:51.18 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 13:51.52 | fiberchunks | now if only bzflag supported 3d primitives and boolean operations -- then we could have some _fancy_ stuff in the worlds |
| 13:52.17 | fiberchunks | but collision detection would be a nightmare |
| 13:53.04 | scanline | well, wouldn't be that bad if we could use an external CSG engine |
| 13:53.12 | fiberchunks | CSG? |
| 13:53.20 | fiberchunks | comp sim graphics? |
| 13:53.30 | scanline | constructive solid geometry |
| 13:53.32 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 13:56.19 | fiberchunks | ls |
| 13:56.25 | fiberchunks | whoops |
| 14:01.54 | fiberchunks | scanline> why is fonttest blank? |
| 14:02.07 | scanline | hmm, it shouldn't be blank |
| 14:02.14 | scanline | hmm, it's blank here too |
| 14:02.26 | scanline | will have to debug that.. I probably broke something in the HUD code |
| 14:04.57 | fiberchunks | off to do errands -- take it easy |
| 14:05.02 | scanline | have fun |
| 14:07.44 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/deck_support.jpeg |
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| 14:57.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): New pyramid textures |
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| 15:45.24 | SGI | hello |
| 15:45.33 | learner | hi, sgi! |
| 15:46.12 | SGI | let me see |
| 15:46.29 | bzg | hi |
| 15:47.00 | SGI | Im playing with xchat |
| 15:48.25 | SGI | curiosity :o) |
| 15:48.32 | SGI | is dangerous |
| 15:50.38 | bzg | hi scanline (the man who never sleeps) |
| 15:50.53 | scanline | =) |
| 15:50.54 | SGI | aka prozac |
| 15:51.12 | learner | you don't sleep, do you scanline? |
| 15:51.17 | scanline | who needs sleep when you have screenshots |
| 15:51.20 | learner | Heh |
| 15:51.24 | scanline | learner: I do sleep, just not that often |
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| 15:51.40 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/the_name_of_the_game.jpeg <-- yum |
| 15:53.05 | learner | cool, scanline |
| 15:53.31 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/deck_support.jpeg |
| 15:53.40 | learner | personally I'm not a fan of the grass though :) |
| 15:53.53 | learner | tanks rip grass to complete shreds |
| 15:53.56 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/high_traffic_area.jpeg |
| 15:54.05 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/easter_egg.jpeg |
| 15:54.16 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/new_wall.jpeg |
| 15:55.19 | learner | hey.. uf -- coool |
| 15:55.26 | scanline | think that's all the new ones for now :) |
| 16:05.10 | SGI | bye |
| 16:05.18 | SGI | talk you later |
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| 16:13.39 | MortimeR | Someone knows what libs are need to compile g2 |
| 16:13.53 | MortimeR | ? |
| 16:15.53 | learner | libs? |
| 16:16.09 | learner | only the bzflag ones and the c/c++ standard libraries afaik |
| 16:16.53 | scanline | well, and the opengl and windowing libs for whatever platform you're on |
| 16:17.07 | learner | heh, oh yea -- those silly things |
| 16:17.24 | MortimeR | opengl is what i need |
| 16:17.35 | learner | windows? |
| 16:17.43 | MortimeR | but i can compile g1, but not g2 |
| 16:17.54 | MortimeR | linux |
| 16:18.02 | david_v | MortimeR, maybe it's not a problem with libs. what error do you get? |
| 16:19.24 | MortimeR | undefined references to glEnd, glBegin, gl... |
| 16:19.35 | david_v | hm |
| 16:19.36 | MortimeR | i think is a lib problem |
| 16:19.44 | david_v | try updating the mesa libs |
| 16:19.47 | scanline | more likely a build system problem |
| 16:20.04 | scanline | is it linking with libGL? |
| 16:20.56 | MortimeR | i am doing it, but apt-get removes nvidia-glx, and i dont want that |
| 16:21.06 | MortimeR | and g2 binarys seems to work |
| 16:21.34 | david_v | hmm |
| 16:21.38 | scanline | MortimeR: you have the right libs installed, don't change that. Check whether it's trying to link with libGL (-lGL on the command line) |
| 16:21.40 | david_v | well i could compile it on Gentoo just fine |
| 16:22.39 | david_v | MortimeR, try updating nvidia-glx then |
| 16:22.57 | scanline | I really don't think you should try upgrading anything yet |
| 16:23.06 | scanline | make sure it's trying to link with the right libraries |
| 16:23.58 | david_v | hm if only i had Debian installed on this machine... but i haven't right now. besides running Windows at the mo... bleh |
| 16:25.39 | MortimeR | i dont see -lGL on the Makefile |
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| 16:29.10 | learner | ah.. was autoconf inserted into g2? I don't recall |
| 16:31.05 | MortimeR | ok, after i added -lGL to Makefile i get a new error |
| 16:31.17 | learner | yay for new errors |
| 16:31.18 | MortimeR | but this is similar to one i got compiling g1 |
| 16:31.42 | MortimeR | i hope is the same and i can fix it |
| 16:34.24 | david_v | seems like you need to run autoconf |
| 16:34.38 | david_v | i just downloaded the source and am looking... |
| 16:35.12 | MortimeR | where have to run autoconf? |
| 16:35.46 | learner | MortimeR: try ./autogen.sh |
| 16:35.59 | david_v | else |
| 16:35.59 | david_v | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.59 | david_v | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.59 | david_v | fi |
| 16:36.01 | david_v | that's in configure.in |
| 16:36.35 | david_v | yah autogen.sh should work... |
| 16:36.49 | learner | ah.. there is a configure -- for (probably many) some reason it couldn't find ogl |
| 16:36.52 | learner | good to know |
| 16:37.04 | learner | MartimeR: then run ./configure |
| 16:37.12 | learner | then make |
| 16:37.16 | MortimeR | doing autogen.sh, configure and make, i get same error |
| 16:37.19 | david_v | then make install ;) |
| 16:37.25 | david_v | learner, you don't think he knows that? ;) |
| 16:37.38 | david_v | weird |
| 16:39.15 | MortimeR | i posted the solution of the new error on forum at sourceforge, but i cant find it now XD |
| 16:40.22 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/water.jpeg |
| 16:40.28 | david_v | is it just me or is there no config.h in the include/ folder |
| 16:40.35 | david_v | ah... doh... |
| 16:40.48 | david_v | that's pointing to /usr/include or something i guess |
| 16:41.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Water pyramids |
| 16:42.18 | MortimeR | another new error, now i think i need xlibmesa-glu-dev |
| 16:42.34 | MortimeR | going to install it |
| 16:42.43 | david_v | hmm |
| 16:43.02 | learner | yes.. you need libmesa glu.. hrmm |
| 16:43.36 | MortimeR | but not for g1 |
| 16:47.19 | MortimeR | damn, it doesn't compile |
| 16:48.45 | MortimeR | this the point where i dont know what to do |
| 16:49.03 | learner | so you installed it and you get the same error? |
| 16:49.13 | MortimeR | i get an undefined reference to gluProject |
| 16:49.42 | MortimeR | the same error with and without mesa-glu |
| 16:50.02 | learner | can you show the compile line and the error |
| 16:50.32 | MortimeR | Entering directory `/home/aitor/bzflag/bzflag-1.7g2/src/bzflag' |
| 16:50.32 | MortimeR | c++ -fno-exceptions -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o bzflag MainWindow.o ControlPanel.o World.o SceneBuilder.o SceneRenderer.o BackgroundRenderer.o RadarRenderer.o HUDRenderer.o HUDui.o ShotPath.o ShotStrategy.o Region.o RenderNode.o Player.o playing.o LocalPlayer.o RemotePlayer.o RobotPlayer.o DeadPlayer.o ServerLink.o PlayerLink.o KeyMap.o daylight.o texture.o resources.o sound.o bzflag.o HU |
| 16:50.32 | MortimeR | DDialog.o menus.o ../net/libNet.a ../common/libCommon.a ../obstacle/libObstacle.a ../platform/libPlatform.a ../ogl/libGLKit.a ../scene/libSceneDB.a ../geometry/libGeometry.a -lXi -lXxf86vm -lXext -lSM -lICE -lX11 -lGL -lpthread -lc -ldl -lm |
| 16:50.49 | MortimeR | HUDRenderer.o(.text+0x3cb8): In function `HUDRenderer::renderTankLabels(SceneRenderer&)': |
| 16:50.50 | MortimeR | : referencia a `gluProject' sin definir |
| 16:50.52 | learner | where's mesa installed? |
| 16:51.58 | learner | "referencia a .. sin definir", sistema en español? |
| 16:52.07 | MortimeR | /usr/X11R6/lib/ |
| 16:52.38 | MortimeR | "referencia a .. sin definir" = "undefined reference to" |
| 16:52.55 | learner | I know.. but is your system in spanish? |
| 16:53.02 | MortimeR | yes |
| 16:53.04 | learner | (just curious) |
| 16:53.05 | learner | ah |
| 16:53.06 | learner | cool |
| 16:53.13 | learner | 'ta bueno :) |
| 16:53.38 | learner | hrmmm... |
| 16:54.32 | learner | oh wait.. did you rerun configure after you installed mesa glu? |
| 16:54.34 | learner | you need to |
| 16:54.50 | MortimeR | i ran it |
| 16:54.51 | learner | you're missing the -lglu link |
| 16:54.52 | MortimeR | i think |
| 16:55.06 | MortimeR | i'll add -lglu |
| 16:55.15 | david_v | there, so talks a hacker :) |
| 16:55.35 | david_v | reminds me, the other day i was upgrading KDE to 3.1.2... had to hack a source file to get a package to compile... :) |
| 16:56.15 | learner | I had to do that to bz the first few times :) |
| 16:56.19 | david_v | hehe |
| 16:56.34 | learner | new platform == many things missing |
| 16:56.41 | david_v | just annoys me, when i was newer to Linux and stuff i just gave up with non-installing packages |
| 16:56.50 | david_v | they weren't many, but still |
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| 16:57.50 | david_v | hi Pat |
| 16:58.09 | MortimeR | it compiles now... but, where is the binary? there is no bin dir |
| 16:58.21 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:58.37 | learner | heh, it's in the bzflag dir |
| 16:58.45 | learner | src/bzflag/bzflag |
| 16:58.46 | david_v | MortimeR, src/bzflag i think |
| 16:59.28 | MortimeR | ah, it's there |
| 16:59.32 | david_v | :) |
| 17:00.00 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:00.03 | learner | Happy birthday to you... |
| 17:00.06 | MortimeR | now i only need that my old g1 patch runs on g2 |
| 17:00.15 | david_v | MortimeR, what patch? |
| 17:00.38 | learner | if it's a new patch, you're better set and getting it working with the latest sources :) |
| 17:00.42 | david_v | MortimeR, i applied one for making sure the keyboard control stays in BZflag. is it that one? |
| 17:01.08 | MortimeR | david_v: i have one to switch between 1 and 2 zoom with a single key |
| 17:01.13 | david_v | ahhh |
| 17:01.20 | david_v | luxury stuff :) |
| 17:01.33 | MortimeR | i cant play without it |
| 17:01.35 | david_v | i use 3 now and then, so wouldn't have much use for such a button |
| 17:01.37 | david_v | hehe |
| 17:02.56 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Crates! |
| 17:04.00 | MortimeR | oh oh. it doesnt want to make a .deb @#$%/#@$ |
| 17:04.28 | david_v | hm |
| 17:04.39 | MortimeR | debian/buildsnap { cvs | release } - must be run in the project home directory |
| 17:04.43 | MortimeR | I am on it |
| 17:04.54 | MortimeR | or whats the project home dir? |
| 17:05.02 | learner | heh, you're on your own there linuxbouy :) |
| 17:05.05 | david_v | should be the directory where you have bzflag |
| 17:05.11 | david_v | the makefile, configure.in, and all that |
| 17:05.30 | MortimeR | yes, the bzflag dir, i am on ti |
| 17:05.33 | MortimeR | it |
| 17:05.39 | david_v | yeah... weird |
| 17:05.41 | MortimeR | strange |
| 17:06.05 | learner | ah s/on/in/ |
| 17:06.23 | MortimeR | sorry, i am spanish |
| 17:06.31 | learner | no hay problema :) |
| 17:07.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Tweak grass edge decal |
| 17:07.14 | david_v | learner, what distro are you using? |
| 17:07.25 | david_v | RedHat? |
| 17:07.29 | MortimeR | boo |
| 17:07.39 | learner | question for both MortimeR and others: do these characters appear properly? ñ á é í ó ü |
| 17:07.44 | david_v | yes |
| 17:07.50 | MortimeR | yes |
| 17:07.52 | learner | cool |
| 17:08.07 | MortimeR | ñ á é í ó ú ü |
| 17:08.29 | learner | ümlaut? |
| 17:09.16 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Box.py): Fix faint horizontal lines that appear in the grass edge |
| 17:11.43 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/metal_box.jpeg |
| 17:11.48 | MortimeR | what is this? |
| 17:11.52 | MortimeR | if [ -z "$1" -o ! -r config ] ; then ... |
| 17:11.59 | MortimeR | the -r part |
| 17:12.23 | learner | rather unrealistic texture.. but me likes :) |
| 17:12.33 | learner | readable |
| 17:12.36 | scanline | every game needs crates |
| 17:12.48 | MortimeR | i haven't that file |
| 17:13.02 | learner | MortimeR, hence, it would be not readable |
| 17:13.41 | learner | so the script will parse the "then" block |
| 17:14.25 | MortimeR | i have lots of config.blabla, but not config |
| 17:14.58 | MortimeR | the then block is the debian/buildsnap { cvs | release } - must be run in the project home directory |
| 17:18.36 | MortimeR | i have had enough for today |
| 17:18.53 | learner | dunno, sounds a bit bogus, but I don't have a debian on hand to check |
| 17:19.18 | MortimeR | thanks to all |
| 17:19.34 | learner | you don't have a config?? |
| 17:19.38 | learner | I have a config.. |
| 17:19.44 | MortimeR | no |
| 17:20.07 | learner | in the 1.8 source release, it's in the same dir as AUTHORS.. |
| 17:20.20 | MortimeR | i have config.gues, .log, .status, .sub, but not config |
| 17:20.28 | learner | hrm |
| 17:20.35 | learner | here http://brlcad.org/~sean/config |
| 17:21.53 | MortimeR | now its doing things... |
| 17:22.04 | learner | heh .. "doing things" funny |
| 17:23.41 | MortimeR | new error |
| 17:23.44 | MortimeR | cp -p bin/bzflag debian/bzflag/usr/games/ |
| 17:23.44 | MortimeR | cp: no se puede efectuar `stat' sobre `bin/bzflag': No existe el fichero o el directorio |
| 17:23.55 | MortimeR | and yes, bin/bzflag doesnt exists |
| 17:24.13 | learner | hrm |
| 17:24.14 | MortimeR | as i said before, there is no bin dir |
| 17:24.22 | learner | ah, make install |
| 17:24.31 | learner | wait.. maybe not |
| 17:24.36 | MortimeR | no, i want the package |
| 17:26.12 | learner | hrm, well something is clearly missing, but you could just try adding the dir and copying the binaries :) |
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| 17:26.29 | MortimeR | good idea |
| 17:28.19 | learner | mmm... greg on ducati; brb |
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| 17:32.53 | david_v | what are those guys up to now? |
| 17:33.14 | Patlabor221 | I'm just clensing |
| 17:34.24 | Noodleman | yes, learner, please take a shower |
| 17:34.29 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 17:40.18 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (4 files): Unbreak fonts and radar a bit with regard to multitexture support |
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| 17:44.11 | learner | :P |
| 17:47.20 | learner | aww.. and I just took a shower |
| 17:47.34 | JBDiGriz | You were still squeaking. |
| 17:47.37 | learner | I was "squeaky clean" |
| 17:48.06 | JBDiGriz | We didn't want you to rust. |
| 17:48.27 | learner | heh |
| 17:51.46 | Patlabor221 | well we're down to 171 users from over 250 now |
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| 17:56.47 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Just removing the inactives? |
| 17:57.39 | david_v | sounds logical to me from a statistical POV... |
| 18:01.05 | Patlabor221 | inactives, and accounts over monoths old with no posts |
| 18:02.40 | david_v | no posts? hmmm |
| 18:02.46 | david_v | what if you don't have anything to say? |
| 18:03.09 | david_v | could be temporary too |
| 18:03.18 | learner | does bzflag have any trasparent multi-threading support? |
| 18:03.37 | Patlabor221 | if you are just gonna lurk then you dn't need an account |
| 18:03.39 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 18:03.44 | Patlabor221 | at least say "hey" |
| 18:03.53 | Patlabor221 | I didn't delete yours don't wory |
| 18:03.58 | david_v | i was expecting that answer, but i haven't seen this policy before i think |
| 18:04.08 | david_v | i know that, i checked the login a bit ago ;) |
| 18:04.39 | Patlabor221 | there has been a post in the anoucements about the cleanup for a while now |
| 18:04.57 | david_v | let's take AVSIM for an example (www.avsim.com), they have about 7000 users in the forums and they have no problems with just deleting the inactive ones |
| 18:05.23 | Patlabor221 | 90% of the ones I removed were inactive |
| 18:05.34 | david_v | well, that's my point |
| 18:05.36 | Patlabor221 | most of the others were dupes, and just dumb ass names |
| 18:05.42 | david_v | ah |
| 18:05.44 | Patlabor221 | I do them by hand, not automated |
| 18:05.50 | david_v | kk |
| 18:06.02 | Patlabor221 | so it's not all cruel :) |
| 18:06.14 | david_v | :) |
| 18:06.39 | chuk | Hey, anybody know of anyone working on user documentation? |
| 18:06.52 | Patlabor221 | you mean the man pages? |
| 18:06.59 | chuk | Sure. |
| 18:06.59 | david_v | i'm going to try out pybzflag... what's the official place to get it? http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ ? |
| 18:07.11 | Patlabor221 | david it's in CVS |
| 18:07.27 | david_v | ok, i wasn't sure |
| 18:07.37 | chuk | Was thinking I could volunteer, if there's any interest in getting some slick docs done. |
| 18:07.38 | Patlabor221 | chuk the man pages are updated when new features are added, they should be fairly current |
| 18:07.45 | chuk | Okay. |
| 18:07.48 | chuk | Thanks. |
| 18:07.59 | Patlabor221 | for windows we convert the man pages to HTML |
| 18:08.06 | learner | he could compile an administration guide |
| 18:08.18 | chuk | I'd be glad to. |
| 18:08.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah, nothing wrong with more docs |
| 18:08.21 | learner | something akin to what is on dervish's site |
| 18:08.32 | chuk | Where's dervish's site? |
| 18:08.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah just make sure it's right :) |
| 18:08.42 | chuk | Heheh. Rule #1. |
| 18:08.45 | Patlabor221 | I think you mean shellshock |
| 18:08.48 | Patlabor221 | that's not derv |
| 18:08.59 | learner | er, dutchrai's site pardon |
| 18:09.06 | learner | yea http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/ |
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| 18:10.18 | chuk | Thanks. I'll see if there's anybody interested to team up there. |
| 18:10.18 | learner | you could also include the goody about how to set up bzfs in a chrooted environment into that same doc |
| 18:10.19 | learner | there's a post on bzbb about that |
| 18:10.19 | chuk | Yeah, I saw something about that on sf, too. |
| 18:10.29 | learner | getting that all into cvs sources would be very cool |
| 18:10.44 | learner | people are always asking "what is XXX" and "where is XXX" |
| 18:11.13 | chuk | Yeah. Some good docs for the geek impraired might be of real value to the project. |
| 18:11.38 | learner | OMG.. lol http://bzflag.tripod.com/ |
| 18:12.04 | chuk | Hah! |
| 18:12.20 | chuk | Gotta love fan art. |
| 18:16.05 | Patlabor221 | ohh you haven't seen that before? |
| 18:16.13 | learner | heh, never |
| 18:16.28 | learner | rodents rule is funny |
| 18:18.27 | captain_proton | um..thanks, i guess |
| 18:18.32 | Patlabor221 | eww |
| 18:18.40 | learner | heh |
| 18:19.01 | learner | jb greased me down, so I need to rub it off on everyone else |
| 18:19.16 | chuk | Moist towelette, anyone? |
| 18:19.42 | Patlabor221 | again, eww |
| 18:19.51 | learner | lol |
| 18:20.04 | Patlabor221 | you can keep your rubbin to yourslef |
| 18:20.34 | captain_proton | scanline: ! |
| 18:21.23 | captain_proton | scanline: the grass poking up by the edges of the boxes is gorgeous |
| 18:21.44 | learner | "Grease me down woman!" |
| 18:22.03 | chuk | "Okey-dokey." |
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| 18:27.32 | learner | got rid of the riff-raff |
| 18:27.32 | learner | :) |
| 18:27.32 | doughecka | whoops, sorry about that ;) |
| 18:27.54 | doughecka | drats, there coming back again, shields! |
| 18:28.32 | chuk | *doughecka drops genocide flag* |
| 18:28.41 | learner | heh |
| 18:29.04 | learner | I'm glad I didn't experience "his" problems |
| 18:29.35 | captain_proton | learner: hehe |
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| 18:34.11 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/pretty.jpg |
| 18:34.31 | learner | hrm |
| 18:34.32 | doughecka | ooooooh, purty |
| 18:34.37 | learner | that doesn't look quite right |
| 18:34.42 | learner | but the effect is neat |
| 18:34.49 | doughecka | now we need floating tank flags |
| 18:34.49 | chuk | Very cool. |
| 18:35.00 | captain_proton | learner: the issue is that the world has lots of small pyramids making up the water |
| 18:35.09 | captain_proton | so the edges don't align |
| 18:35.45 | doughecka | looks natural |
| 18:36.16 | learner | nah, not natural , but still very neat |
| 18:36.18 | learner | bettter |
| 18:36.39 | learner | the green astroturf needs a better texture, though.. |
| 18:36.47 | captain_proton | and of course, the caustics look better in motion |
| 18:37.08 | learner | ah.. that's what doesn't look right |
| 18:37.30 | learner | the image reflection should be morphed by the water caustic, and it's not |
| 18:37.37 | learner | that's what's bothering me |
| 18:38.01 | learner | no chance dealing with that in ogl, though |
| 18:38.03 | learner | afaik |
| 18:38.10 | captain_proton | you mean refraction? |
| 18:38.22 | captain_proton | and there is a way to deal with it in opengl ;-) |
| 18:39.20 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 18:39.27 | learner | allo fiber |
| 18:39.40 | captain_proton | learner: vertex and fragment programs =) |
| 18:41.38 | learner | aw, that's cheating =) |
| 18:42.18 | learner | not until 2.0 is prevalent |
| 18:42.52 | learner | none of this extension madness |
| 18:43.39 | captain_proton | hah |
| 18:45.20 | captain_proton | gl2 is too far away to wait for this stuff |
| 18:45.28 | learner | cap, is there any smp goodness in bzflag? |
| 18:45.59 | learner | some abstract threading/process detachment calls? |
| 18:46.04 | captain_proton | not at all |
| 18:46.11 | captain_proton | the audio creates a second process |
| 18:46.12 | captain_proton | but thats it |
| 18:46.19 | learner | mkay, thx |
| 18:46.38 | captain_proton | feel free to implement a threading abstraction |
| 18:47.28 | learner | I could write one up pretty quick in C, but handling the details of doing that safely in C++ is not in my context of cares right now.. |
| 18:47.56 | learner | i.e. some sort of threading/semaphore classes |
| 18:48.00 | chuk | gotta go. Seeya guys aroung. |
| 18:48.11 | captain_proton | c++ isn't too different |
| 18:48.37 | captain_proton | only safety thing you need to check is that nothing created in the scope of one thread gets destructed in the scope of another, which is usually not an issue |
| 18:49.28 | learner | yea, but I do recall there being several issues with constructor/destructors and other things specific to the language |
| 18:49.47 | learner | I'd have to pull out the c++ faq, but I remember there being a couple issues |
| 18:50.25 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> weeeeelllllll, haven't we been busy this morning :) |
| 18:51.42 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): improved the bin-packing check so that only minimum amount of words are compared; removed repetitive substring match |
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| 18:52.12 | learner | gotta run, bbl |
| 18:54.08 | Skipp_ | i recently installed rehat 7.0, and i am trying to put bzflag, on it, i downloaded the tar.gz file, i was reading the readme file for unix install: i don't understand what make <platform> means |
| 18:54.22 | learner | make linux |
| 18:54.41 | fiberchunks | yah, but you don't do it that way anymore? |
| 18:55.04 | learner | ah, yes .. that's for 1.7/1.8 |
| 18:55.11 | learner | ./autogen.sh |
| 18:55.12 | fiberchunks | ./autogen.sh |
| 18:55.12 | captain_proton | not g2 |
| 18:55.13 | learner | ./configure |
| 18:55.14 | learner | make |
| 18:55.15 | Skipp_ | i am installing g2 |
| 18:55.28 | Skipp_ | just need a step by step way to install it |
| 18:55.35 | captain_proton | Skipp_: read README, not README.UNIX |
| 18:56.02 | Skipp_ | did that 2, but still didn't understand most of it |
| 18:56.06 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): mention bad README.UNIX |
| 18:57.14 | Skipp_ | so how do i install the linux version of bz |
| 18:57.14 | fiberchunks | hey captain_proton, the snappage keeps getting weirdness in it |
| 18:57.41 | fiberchunks | cd to the directory the .tar.gz is extracted in; ./autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 18:58.38 | Skipp_ | all in the command line correct |
| 18:58.39 | fiberchunks | when I say weirdness, there's this <<<<<< Box.py and then ======= and then another <<<<<< Box.py etc |
| 18:58.43 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 18:58.45 | captain_proton | oh bleh |
| 18:58.48 | Skipp_ | thanks |
| 18:58.49 | captain_proton | bad merge somewhere |
| 18:58.51 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 18:59.13 | fiberchunks | np |
| 18:59.42 | captain_proton | bizzare that it wouldn't grok a merge, since there haven't been any local changes |
| 19:00.03 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: just with bzflag, nothing wrong with pybzflag? |
| 19:00.14 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> sorry, I meant pybzflag |
| 19:00.19 | fiberchunks | Box.py ;) |
| 19:01.07 | fiberchunks | thanks |
| 19:01.59 | fiberchunks | time == 1301 the latest and greatest? |
| 19:02.12 | captain_proton | sounds right |
| 19:02.15 | fiberchunks | k |
| 19:02.56 | doughecka | huh, cant download pybzflag |
| 19:04.25 | captain_proton | thats nice |
| 19:05.24 | fiberchunks | that edge grass is neat :) |
| 19:05.38 | fiberchunks | did you see the 'easter eggs' herr line slapped in there? |
| 19:05.52 | captain_proton | i haven't actually experienced it yet |
| 19:05.55 | captain_proton | but i know what it is ;) |
| 19:05.56 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 19:06.09 | fiberchunks | same here -- well, 2 of em anyway |
| 19:08.14 | fiberchunks | heh, monoliths |
| 19:12.32 | Skipp_ | to extract the file do u type tar and then the file name |
| 19:13.11 | fiberchunks | no, tar xzvf filename.tar.gz |
| 19:13.39 | Skipp_ | k, thanks |
| 19:13.44 | fiberchunks | so, tar xzvf bzflag-1.7g2.tar.gz; cd bzflag; ./autogen.sh; ./configure; make |
| 19:15.00 | doughecka | how do you get monoliths? |
| 19:15.06 | fiberchunks | you think of any fancy new widgetness cap? |
| 19:15.12 | fiberchunks | the black marble pyramids |
| 19:15.22 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:37.35 | fiberchunks | ahhhh, cleanliness |
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| 20:55.53 | Bagheera | anybody know any admins for xmission |
| 20:56.06 | fiberchunks | only one I'm aware of is tim |
| 20:56.15 | fiberchunks | ~xmission |
| 20:56.40 | Bagheera | oh well, someone using Razz's call sign was tk'ing up a storm |
| 20:56.49 | fiberchunks | isn't that nice :\ |
| 20:56.58 | Bagheera | yeah |
| 20:57.14 | Bagheera | hey fiber's girl was on there, any relation |
| 20:57.49 | fiberchunks | yeah - my gf's brother was playing |
| 20:57.55 | fiberchunks | he's done now |
| 20:57.59 | Bagheera | hahah |
| 20:58.06 | Bagheera | ok, back to killing |
| 20:58.10 | Bagheera | ncya |
| 20:58.10 | fiberchunks | enjoy :) |
| 20:58.14 | fiberchunks | nlater on |
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| 20:59.24 | terras | heh... people are automatically typing n before each message |
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| 20:59.49 | fiberchunks | not I, I got all mapped to W :) |
| 20:59.52 | fiberchunks | wsee ? |
| 20:59.54 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 21:01.16 | Skipp | i just downloaded g2 for linux, and started to compile it with the make command, and during the process an error came up and said "comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions" |
| 21:01.34 | Skipp | would bz still run? |
| 21:01.39 | terras | what sort of linux setup do you have? |
| 21:01.48 | Skipp | redhat 7.0 |
| 21:02.01 | captain_proton | thats a warning, not an error |
| 21:02.37 | Skipp | ah, so would bz be installed in the /usr/bin |
| 21:04.23 | Skipp | ? |
| 21:05.24 | captain_proton | depends on the prefix |
| 21:05.32 | captain_proton | probably /usr/local/bin |
| 21:06.08 | Skipp | would typing bzflag in the command line start the program |
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| 21:10.00 | captain_proton | it should |
| 21:13.16 | Skipp | command didn't work, and i couldn't find it in the /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin |
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| 21:15.17 | captain_proton | did you make install? |
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| 21:20.45 | Skipp | install? |
| 21:21.03 | Skipp | oh, the command make install |
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| 21:29.29 | Skipp | ok, it is installed, found it in the /usr/bin/local directory with bzfs, bzfls, bzfrelay |
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| 21:38.34 | fiberchunks | ~xmission |
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| 22:57.52 | captain_proton | mornin' scanline |
| 22:57.56 | scanline | captain_proton: I think pybzflag is ready for a sky :) |
| 22:57.57 | scanline | mornin |
| 22:58.10 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:58.12 | captain_proton | a sky you say |
| 22:58.42 | scanline | same mountains, but I suppose there are improved atmospheric effects? |
| 22:59.51 | captain_proton | sorta |
| 22:59.56 | captain_proton | i haven't looked at that code in a long time |
| 23:00.00 | captain_proton | but the night looked better |
| 23:06.54 | captain_proton | bwahahahahaha |
| 23:06.55 | captain_proton | %!sort |
| 23:07.10 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/the_name_of_the_game.jpeg <-- favorite screenshot :) |
| 23:07.20 | scanline | %!sort? |
| 23:07.30 | captain_proton | a vim command to sort the file =) |
| 23:07.34 | scanline | haha |
| 23:07.53 | scanline | hmm.. |
| 23:08.01 | scanline | looks like emacs has at least 7 commands for sorting the file |
| 23:08.49 | captain_proton | of course |
| 23:09.01 | captain_proton | vim uses the unix philosophy and just lets you apply the 'sort' command to the file |
| 23:09.04 | captain_proton | emacs does it all internally |
| 23:09.22 | scanline | yep |
| 23:09.28 | scanline | but with lisp! |
| 23:10.08 | captain_proton | yeah, lisp is good |
| 23:10.43 | captain_proton | but with :%!python, i could inline write a python script to apply to the current file ;-) |
| 23:10.53 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:11.47 | captain_proton | linkythingy? |
| 23:11.59 | scanline | like an embedded interpreter thing |
| 23:12.12 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/pretty.jpg |
| 23:12.23 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:12.32 | scanline | would be cool if it could tell when you're underwater and blueify the whole screen |
| 23:12.46 | david_v | :) |
| 23:12.58 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 23:13.13 | fiberchunks | and slow tank motion at the same time :) |
| 23:13.22 | fiberchunks | give you a 'snorkel' meter |
| 23:13.27 | scanline | wouldn't be hard after pybzflag gets a collision detection module |
| 23:13.30 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:14.46 | captain_proton | scanline: you should watch that show |
| 23:14.51 | scanline | ooh.. |
| 23:14.54 | scanline | indeed I should |
| 23:14.59 | scanline | but first, a before and after |
| 23:15.04 | scanline | before: http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0008.jpg |
| 23:15.10 | scanline | after: http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/deck_support.jpeg |
| 23:15.12 | scanline | :) |
| 23:16.09 | fiberchunks | oh, I like the obsidian effect, by the way :) |
| 23:16.22 | scanline | thanks :) |
| 23:16.56 | fiberchunks | is it possible to 'reflectify' it a bit? like make it glossy black marble? |
| 23:17.14 | scanline | it would, if we had a portal rendering engine |
| 23:17.23 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 23:17.53 | scanline | we'd definitely need some sort of frustum culling to do that, otherwise every pyramid would cause another copy of the rest of the scene to be rendered |
| 23:18.42 | captain_proton | just need to environment map it |
| 23:18.53 | scanline | oh bah, that's the easy way out |
| 23:18.55 | scanline | :) |
| 23:19.31 | scanline | does most hardware do cube mapping these days? |
| 23:21.38 | captain_proton | its part of the standard as of opengl 1.3 |
| 23:22.00 | scanline | neat |
| 23:23.26 | captain_proton | erg! |
| 23:23.31 | captain_proton | it thinks xfree86 is blocking :P |
| 23:23.48 | captain_proton | so i have to unmerge it, update xft, then reemerge |
| 23:27.49 | scanline | hehe, this is good |
| 23:29.17 | david_v | hmmm weird |
| 23:30.49 | scanline | "But they're mixed together" "But they're even" |
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| 23:36.23 | scanline | haha |
| 23:36.29 | larsl_56k | ~xmission |
| 23:36.49 | larsl_56k | There's a cheater on xmission who's been there almost all day, using different nicks. He's 'neckro' now. |
| 23:39.58 | captain_proton | scanline: i thought you'd like it =) |
| 23:40.06 | scanline | indeed. thanks |
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