irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030718

`00:05.28`	`TimRiker`	`wm: I'm the founder of the channel iirc`
`00:05.29`	`*** part/#bzflag eddienull (~kevin@63.195.130.242)`
`00:06.07`	`wm`	`TimRiker: would you accept 11000 USD from the estate of Dinah Alosin Overstreet?`
`00:07.25`	`captain_proton`	`-ChanServ- Founder: BZFlag, last seen: 29 weeks 6 days (15h 53m 42s) ago`
`00:08.32`	`patlabor221`	`that damned honstly crap`
`00:08.40`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files): Fold stereo and anaglyph modes into one modelviewer, with command line options`
`00:08.47`	`captain_proton`	`patlabor221: indeed`
`00:09.21`	`TimRiker`	`wm: sure.`
`00:09.37`	`TimRiker`	`we could host cvs on a server that actually works.`
`00:09.49`	`captain_proton`	`or even (get this) a VCS that doesn't suck`
`00:09.51`	`captain_proton`	`;-)`
`00:10.03`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. or even that. ;-)`
`00:10.30`	`wm`	`TimRiker: do you feel up to a trip to london then?`
`00:10.48`	`TimRiker`	`if needed, sure.`
`00:11.03`	`TimRiker`	`I'm headed to ottawa next week. that's not close enough? ;-)`
`00:11.12`	`captain_proton`	`hm, OLS?`
`00:11.23`	`TimRiker`	`captain_proton: yeah. speaking.`
`00:11.24`	`dheckaman`	`estate of dinah?`
`00:11.41`	`patlabor221`	`yes doug`
`00:11.45`	`wm`	`dheckaman: yes`
`00:11.49`	`dheckaman`	`yea I know, but whos wm?`
`00:11.56`	`TimRiker`	`scanline: buy prpplaugue's seat. I hear he may not make it.`
`00:11.57`	`patlabor221`	`percy, read`
`00:12.16`	`wm`	`percy himself is indisposed`
`00:12.18`	`TimRiker`	`wm: official email address for me is Tim@Rikers.org`
`00:12.32`	`scanline`	`TimRiker: well, I've known about it for a while, but decided to wait until a year when I'll have more money`
`00:13.05`	`TimRiker`	`wm: and my gpg key is CD98B20A (which you can get off many public servers too)`
`00:13.35`	`wm`	`TimRiker: there is a stipulation in the will, you can have 11000 USD or the royalties of the same works...`
`00:13.55`	`wm`	`TimRiker: why do i need your gpg?`
`00:14.17`	`fiberchunks`	`what is OLS?`
`00:15.03`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (StereoView.py): Remove attach() from StereoView`
`00:15.55`	`fiberchunks`	`~google for OLS`
`00:16.07`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
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`00:18.21`	`TimRiker`	`wm: gpg is so you can email me securely and verify that email comes from me.`
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`00:18.44`	`TimRiker`	`"royalties of the same works" ? what works?`
`00:19.11`	`TimRiker`	`wm: you are not in the uk though, you are in NY right?`
`00:19.15`	`wm`	`a book and a number of advertising campaigns`
`00:19.21`	`captain_proton`	`wm: perhaps you should explain the circumstances more - dinah was here a lot, but she was fairly private`
`00:19.23`	`wm`	`i am in NY yes`
`00:20.06`	`wm`	`cool!! i am in williamson!! :))`
`00:20.15`	`wm`	`i was in brighton today actually`
`00:21.27`	`TimRiker`	`cool. there is a "riker" cobblestone house up near williamson someplace.`
`00:21.47`	`wm`	`is it on ridge road do you know?`
`00:23.00`	`TimRiker`	`I think so, but I don't recall. my sister lives off ridge road, but that's over in greece`
`00:23.18`	`wm`	`cool i know places you know :))`
`00:24.53`	`fiberchunks`	`captain_proton> indeed, I would like to know who this kind benefactor is`
`00:24.55`	`TimRiker`	`so why is this in london, but you are in NY?`
`00:25.33`	`wm`	`dinah and percy are in london i agreed to find you or chestal on irc and find out who it goes to`
`00:25.52`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (StereoView.py): Make StereoView's camera system more friendly to the caller's camera`
`00:26.35`	`TimRiker`	`well feel free to talk to Chestal about it, but I'm the bzflag.org owner, the #bzflag founder and owner, and the bzflag project lead and copyright holder.`
`00:27.07`	`wm`	`you are channel founder who on the channel gets what or what charity gets the money is up to you`
`00:27.37`	`TimRiker`	`wm: nod.`
`00:28.17`	`TimRiker`	`well, get me the details. I'll probably talk to a lawyer about it.`
`00:28.20`	`wm`	`if it goes to charity they get the money and royalties, if it goes to a person/people you get money or royalties`
`00:28.45`	`TimRiker`	`It might be a good idea to incorporate and put the money in the company.`
`00:29.09`	`TimRiker`	`I've gotta run. updates here later or in email. Thanx!`
`00:29.12`	`learnerAtWork`	`TimRiker IS BzFlag`
`00:29.14`	`learnerAtWork`	`;)`
`00:29.28`	`TimRiker`	`send our condolences to the family (belated)`
`00:29.51`	`wm`	`we only just found her mother, i will tell her`
`00:30.06`	`TimRiker`	`k. gotta run. l8tr`
`00:32.26`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Report command line errors properly`
`00:41.54`	`captain_proton`	`hm, it actually works pretty well`
`00:42.02`	`captain_proton`	`not nearly as spectacular as the polarized stereo though`
`00:44.23`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Explain the use of os.path.abspath()`
`00:46.04`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: were you meaning to delete modelviewer-stereo?`
`00:46.16`	`scanline`	`yes, I thought I did`
`00:46.21`	`scanline`	`hmm, guess not`
`00:47.22`	`captain_proton`	`do we have a way to pass command line opts to the view yet?`
`00:47.33`	`scanline`	`not yet, I was going to work on cleaning all that up`
`00:47.39`	`captain_proton`	`ok`
`00:47.43`	`scanline`	`I really want to kill StereoGame and AnaglyphGame for example`
`00:47.52`	`captain_proton`	`would be nice to be able to set resolution & NOFRAME`
`00:47.58`	`scanline`	`yes`
`00:48.05`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer-stereo.py): Die!`
`00:48.14`	`scanline`	`hmm`
`00:48.26`	`wm`	`hrm i think we should make a bzflag that works with the 3d glases from the theater`
`00:48.36`	`captain_proton`	`wm: depends on which theater ;)`
`00:48.40`	`scanline`	`maybe we should just ditch optik and use something similar to pgserver's config system`
`00:49.15`	`wm`	`captain_proton: lowes?`
`00:50.01`	`captain_proton`	`wm: what kind of glasses? anaglyph? shutter?`
`00:50.17`	`wm`	`the ones that are paper and celophane`
`00:50.35`	`captain_proton`	`hmm - this: http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/retro.jpeg`
`00:50.36`	`captain_proton`	`?`
`00:51.13`	`wm`	`yesss!!! that i want that`
`00:51.24`	`captain_proton`	`its part of pybzflag`
`00:51.33`	`wm`	`pybzflag?`
`00:51.37`	`captain_proton`	`not really playable, but its fun to play around with`
`00:51.53`	`captain_proton`	`scanline's rogue python hack that i've been adding neat features to`
`00:52.15`	`wm`	`hrm scanline you run navi.picogui.org?`
`00:52.20`	`scanline`	`yep`
`00:52.36`	`wm`	`hrm nice rsync server you got huh?`
`00:52.48`	`scanline`	`haha.. I thought I shut that off?`
`00:53.06`	`scanline`	`yep.. still off`
`00:53.10`	`wm`	`:((`
`00:53.26`	`scanline`	`wm: sorry, it was sucking up too much bandwidth`
`00:53.34`	`wm`	`i have a crawl based rsync search engine`
`00:54.23`	`scanline`	`I can give out these URLs that only work until midnight MST`
`00:54.33`	`scanline`	`but I'm only on a cable modem`
`00:54.43`	`wm`	`huh?`
`00:55.04`	`scanline`	`it's a URL for downloading over HTTP, but it expires after it hits midnight here`
`00:55.08`	`wm`	`i am only on a cable connection aswell`
`00:55.20`	`scanline`	`right, but cable has very slow uploading bandwidth`
`00:55.23`	`wm`	`can i get amadeaus then?`
`00:55.35`	`scanline`	`yeah, lemme rummage up the secret URL of the day`
`00:55.41`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: found one of those envelope widgets yet/`
`00:55.42`	`captain_proton`	`?`
`00:56.10`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: eh, I haven't looked`
`00:56.39`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: I think most people's will.. I had a hard time deciding which sign was right for eyesep after I cleaned up the StereoView a bit`
`00:56.47`	`wm`	`scanline: thank you thankyou very much :))`
`00:56.58`	`scanline`	`wm: no problem :)`
`00:58.19`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: well normally it takes a while for the brain to adapt to really see the stereo image`
`00:59.17`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: so.. any ideas on options? This would make it really easy to add new options and test them anywhere, but there wouldn't be a real --help, there wouldn't be a way to automatically determine when different options are applicable`
`00:59.30`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: so anaglyph wireframe works - guess the onyx just has an older opengl implementation`
`00:59.48`	`captain_proton`	`hrm`
`00:59.56`	`captain_proton`	`it would be nice for things to add handlers at init`
`01:00.01`	`captain_proton`	`so --help would work`
`01:00.14`	`captain_proton`	`but if necessary, we can do --help for each individual program`
`01:00.15`	`scanline`	`no, --help wouldn't work then`
`01:00.38`	`scanline`	`and it doesn't really depend on the program, it depends on the classes involved`
`01:02.40`	`captain_proton`	`yay`
`01:02.49`	`captain_proton`	`it makes me happy that i can do workable stereo both here and in the vizlab`
`01:04.46`	`wm`	`oh no its biggus dickus!`
`01:05.32`	`wm`	`and incontinentia buttucs!`
`01:09.44`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Add a few items`
`01:10.19`	`captain_proton`	`huh?`
`01:11.07`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (TODO): Add a note about GLText gamma correction`
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`01:11.34`	`captain_proton`	`'lo bzgirl`
`01:11.40`	`bzgirl`	`hi`
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`01:44.48`	`fiberchunks`	`wm -- that from 'history of the world part I' ?`
`01:45.00`	`wm`	`fiberchunks: what?`
`01:45.12`	`wm`	`no its from the life of brian`
`01:45.13`	`fiberchunks`	`biggus dickus and incon....`
`01:45.16`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`01:45.21`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`01:45.26`	`wm`	`im watching it now ;)`
`01:46.09`	`wm`	`crucifiction? (yes) out of the door, line on the left, one cross each.`
`01:55.15`	`scanline`	`http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/xmission_tank.png`
`01:57.13`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 5 dirs): Starting support for tanks in ThreeDView`
`01:57.33`	`captain_proton`	`ooh`
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`02:29.54`	`fiberchunks`	`wb learner`
`02:30.13`	`learner`	`tanks`
`02:31.41`	`fiberchunks`	`I just got my ticket to Calgary for august`
`02:31.44`	`fiberchunks`	`>:)`
`02:31.52`	`learner`	`ooh, what's in august?`
`02:32.34`	`fiberchunks`	`meeting my bud ryan at his ranch (30k acres), and we + a couple others are driving down to butte montana for a week of drunkenness ;)`
`02:32.57`	`learner`	`sweeet`
`02:33.23`	`learner`	`(in that order)`
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`02:34.18`	`learner`	`?`
`02:34.48`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, brotha! -- lemme see: http://www.fs.fed.us/r1/bdnf/cabins/birch_cr_cabin.htm`
`02:34.56`	`fiberchunks`	`that's where we're staying`
`02:42.09`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (6 files in 3 dirs): New drawables to support groups and transformations`
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`03:03.37`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (5 files in 2 dirs): Added a RenderSettings class to encapsulate all attributes which change the way the rendering engine treats a Drawable.`
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`03:34.36`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (7 files in 4 dirs): Tanks in the 3D view can now move`
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`03:53.43`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Player.py): Account for falling and paused status when calculating player animation`
`04:05.20`	`scanline`	`morning`
`04:06.15`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (GameView.py): Tweak HUD layout`
`04:06.25`	`scanline`	`http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/3d_observer.png`
`04:07.00`	`captain_proton`	`nifty`
`04:07.51`	`scanline`	`it's amazing how close this is to being an actual game...`
`04:08.34`	`captain_proton`	`damn that monkey is conducive to stereo`
`04:08.58`	`scanline`	`:)`
`04:09.34`	`captain_proton`	`you'll see what i mean tomorrow`
`04:09.38`	`scanline`	`hmm, I suppose I should color these tanks according to teams instead of leaving them white`
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`04:17.28`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: quick, where's the list of colors it uses for each team's tanks?`
`04:18.34`	`captain_proton`	`src/common/Team.cxx`
`04:18.51`	`scanline`	`thanks`
`04:18.56`	`scanline`	`hmm...`
`04:19.06`	`scanline`	`these are a little more.. simple.. than I imagined`
`04:19.57`	`Michaelh`	`perhaps we could have mauve tanks`
`04:20.09`	`Michaelh`	`& bone`
`04:20.18`	`scanline`	`well, I mean they're all 100% saturated 100% brightness`
`04:20.47`	`Michaelh`	`so explain to me why blue hardly shows up on radar?`
`04:20.47`	`captain_proton`	`purple isn't`
`04:20.55`	`captain_proton`	`radar colors are different than tank colors`
`04:21.06`	`scanline`	`that's blue, not purple`
`04:21.14`	`scanline`	`ok, so blue is a little more imaginitive`
`04:21.25`	`captain_proton`	`oh right`
`04:23.37`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDView.py): Added the boring official BZFlag tank color scheme`
`04:24.36`	`scanline`	`hmm, and this rogue tank is very very black`
`04:25.39`	`scanline`	`http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/frightening_colors.png`
`04:25.58`	`captain_proton`	`hm, so it is`
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`04:31.25`	`doughecka`	`speedy, 786 megs of ram now :)`
`04:31.32`	`scanline`	`786?`
`04:31.40`	`Michaelh_`	`doh I had to edit the registry to fix cygwin after I moved a drive`
`04:31.52`	`doughecka`	`something around there`
`04:32.01`	`doughecka`	`768 then :P`
`04:35.08`	`captain_proton`	`ugh`
`04:35.10`	`Michaelh_`	`so if I add a source file to the bzflag directory, I just edit the Makefile.am file?`
`04:35.16`	`captain_proton`	`how can people with ST be content to leave campers live?`
`04:35.26`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`04:35.28`	`Michaelh_`	`and stick it under`
`04:35.28`	`Michaelh_`	`bzflag_SOURCES =`
`04:35.30`	`captain_proton`	`Michaelh_: yeah - the windows and mac guys can fix their own stuff`
`04:35.31`	`Michaelh_`	`?`
`04:35.33`	`doughecka`	`whos complaining?`
`04:35.53`	`Michaelh_`	`I'm also one of the windows guys :)`
`05:02.33`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: um`
`05:02.39`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:02.39`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:02.39`	`captain_proton`	`AttributeError: Mesh instance has no attribute 'render'`
`05:02.59`	`scanline`	`clear your mesh cache`
`05:03.05`	`scanline`	`rm ~/.bzflag-cache/*.wrl.p`
`05:03.34`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:03.34`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`05:03.34`	`captain_proton`	`AttributeError: TextureGroup instance has no attribute 'drawables'`
`05:03.53`	`scanline`	`eh?`
`05:04.11`	`captain_proton`	`ah`
`05:04.12`	`scanline`	`ah`
`05:04.15`	`captain_proton`	`just had to remove dead .pycs`
`05:04.35`	`scanline`	`mm.. no.. this is an actual problem`
`05:04.47`	`scanline`	`the texture group doesn't have a 'drawables' any more, it has 'static' and 'dynamic'`
`05:05.07`	`scanline`	`so I could change that to iterate over both, but I'd rather move this picking code into TextureGroup`
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`05:08.56`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): Fixes exception on picking, but picking still doesn't work.. hmm...`
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`05:12.49`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): Ah, I suppose we shouldn't use display lists during picking`
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`06:34.20`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Say goodbye to z-fighting on box tops`
`06:37.25`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Box.py): Fix the bottom side of boxes`
`06:39.14`	`captain_proton`	`hmm scanline`
`06:39.20`	`captain_proton`	`box textures are world-aligned now?`
`06:39.24`	`scanline`	`yep`
`06:39.31`	`scanline`	`it was really easy to code :)`
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`06:59.39`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`06:59.49`	`captain_proton`	`the arb vertex buffer extension is nifty`
`07:00.16`	`scanline`	`now this is odd...`
`07:00.28`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (4 files in 2 dirs): Some infrastructure for multitexturing`
`07:00.32`	`scanline`	`the scene is very dark, and everything appears to have the teleporter texture on it`
`07:01.31`	`scanline`	`does each texture unit have a separate glEnable(GL_TEXTURE_2D)?`
`07:02.29`	`captain_proton`	`i don't think so...`
`07:03.06`	`scanline`	`actually, it seems like they must.. how else would you turn off texture units you're not using`
`07:03.06`	`scanline`	`?`
`07:04.49`	`scanline`	`do you know where the real documentation for ARB_multitexture is? I'm finding bits and pieces, but nothing that, for example, would tell me how to figure out how many texture units there are`
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`07:05.22`	`captain_proton`	`oog`
`07:05.33`	`captain_proton`	`looks like the real documentation is incorporated into the opengl 1.2.1 spec :P`
`07:07.06`	`scanline`	`hmm, and the spec is nowhere to be downloaded, I suppose?`
`07:07.47`	`scanline`	`aha, this one's better than what I had been looking at:`
`07:07.48`	`captain_proton`	`i'm sure you can find it somewhere on opengl.org`
`07:07.49`	`scanline`	`http://www.opengl.org/developers/code/sig99/advanced99/notes/node61.html`
`07:07.56`	`captain_proton`	`ooooooh`
`07:07.58`	`captain_proton`	`http://oss.sgi.com/projects/ogl-sample/registry/APPLE/client_storage.txt`
`07:08.07`	`captain_proton`	`they made it public =)`
`07:08.19`	`scanline`	`whee`
`07:08.47`	`captain_proton`	`so -thats- how they do it!`
`07:13.00`	`captain_proton`	`hehe`
`07:13.08`	`captain_proton`	`someone implemented a sound-triggered IFS in a fragment program`
`07:13.15`	`captain_proton`	`music visualization on the GPU`
`07:13.28`	`scanline`	`=)`
`07:14.15`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`07:14.20`	`captain_proton`	`i bet we could do anaglyph purely on the gpu`
`07:16.08`	`scanline`	`they have it for linux now?`
`07:16.33`	`captain_proton`	`they've had it for a while`
`07:16.37`	`captain_proton`	`emerge nvidia-cg-toolkit =)`
`07:16.43`	`scanline`	`hmm :)`
`07:17.32`	`captain_proton`	`i figure we can use cg, then compile it to ARB_*_program for use anywhere`
`07:19.55`	`captain_proton`	`at least until gl2/GLslang become more of a reality`
`07:23.44`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`07:23.58`	`captain_proton`	`damn!`
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`07:26.30`	`Chikorita`	`hello fiber?`
`07:28.27`	`Chikorita`	`hello fiberchunks?`
`07:28.36`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): Better multitexture-aware code for binding textures`
`07:29.14`	`fiberchunks`	`yes ma'am?`
`07:31.04`	`Chikorita`	`umm can u do mee a favor fiber?`
`07:31.15`	`fiberchunks`	`what do you want?`
`07:31.19`	`Chikorita`	`ur like an admin on da BZ centrum site yes?`
`07:31.49`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: does it actually use multitexturing yet?`
`07:32.08`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: ThreeDRender supports it, but nothing gives it more than one texture yet`
`07:32.31`	`fiberchunks`	`yes`
`07:32.39`	`Chikorita`	`fiber could u delete my profile please?`
`07:32.50`	`fiberchunks`	`I suppose so, why would you want me to?`
`07:33.58`	`Chikorita`	`becuz`
`07:35.16`	`Chikorita`	`i jus would like to have my profile deleted please`
`07:35.21`	`fiberchunks`	`k`
`07:35.28`	`Chikorita`	`i have mee reasons`
`07:35.37`	`Chikorita`	`thank you fiber`
`07:35.43`	`Chikorita`	`:)`
`07:36.02`	`fiberchunks`	`done`
`07:37.11`	`captain_proton`	`harumph`
`07:37.19`	`captain_proton`	`seems like the only way to learn cg is to buy the book :P`
`07:37.51`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/data (2 files): Adding some images for playing with multitexturing`
`07:37.55`	`Chikorita`	`aww itz ok learner`
`07:38.14`	`Chikorita`	`tis 4 da best mee thinks`
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`07:55.48`	`scanline`	`aha.. glTexEnvf`
`07:56.23`	`Chikorita`	`gnite all`
`07:56.30`	`Chikorita`	`c u tommorrowz`
`07:56.31`	`fiberchunks`	`nite`
`07:56.44`	`Chikorita`	`nite l nite fiba`
`07:56.45`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`07:57.36`	`fiberchunks`	`on that note, I'm out as well -- take it easy y'all`
`08:04.42`	`scanline`	`well, the textures definitely still need tweaking...`
`08:04.46`	`scanline`	`but multitexturing works`
`08:05.02`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Multitexturing works`
`08:08.49`	`captain_proton`	`hey, neat`
`08:09.55`	`CIA`	`03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Box.py): Tweak texture scales`
`08:10.25`	`scanline`	`http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/dirty_boxen.png`
`08:12.40`	`captain_proton`	`its a good thing i have a copy of watt`
`08:12.59`	`captain_proton`	`yay for having all the light reflection model equations =)`
`08:13.51`	`scanline`	`yay`
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`08:19.21`	`captain_proton`	`its kind of creepy to think that i just reprogrammed my graphics pipeline`
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`08:26.22`	`captain_proton`	`wheee`
`08:26.25`	`captain_proton`	`shaders are freaking fast`
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`08:30.19`	`captain_proton`	`....whoa`
`08:30.43`	`captain_proton`	`i should go to bed before i hurt myself with these`
`08:30.50`	`scanline`	`hehe`
`08:32.06`	`captain_proton`	`ok, naptime`
`08:32.22`	`scanline`	`g'night`
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`14:17.31`	`Tupone`	`Current bzfs does not work to me. It discard all MsgPlayerUpdate`
`14:17.57`	`Tupone`	`somebody noticed?`
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`14:44.38`	`learner`	`Geesh.. you'd think using REG_NOSUB would speed up matching, but NOOoooo...`
`14:44.43`	`learner`	`grr`
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`14:48.22`	`tea\|tree`	`gosh im getting old ;)`
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`14:52.32`	`learner`	`Hrm. Mac version of America's Army is released today.`
`14:53.05`	`fiberchunks`	`learner, you got blender?`
`14:53.12`	`fiberchunks`	`on that mac?`
`14:53.15`	`learner`	`somewhere`
`14:53.21`	`fiberchunks`	`nifty`
`14:53.31`	`learner`	`used to follow the cvs sources, but no longer`
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`14:55.21`	`dheckaman`	`learner: yea, I saw that, woo woo :)`
`14:55.58`	`learner`	`about f-n time, dang contractors..`
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`16:37.58`	`strayer`	`hiho :)`
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`16:56.48`	`prot-work`	`scanline: poke`
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`16:58.24`	`strayer_`	`gna...`
`17:13.49`	`prot-work`	`By now you have heard about the vulnerability in Cisco routers that`
`17:13.49`	`prot-work`	`makes attacks easy. This morning, the Department of Homeland Security`
`17:13.49`	`prot-work`	`was informed that an exploit for this vulnerability has been seen in`
`17:13.49`	`prot-work`	`the wild. ...`
`17:17.14`	`dheckaman`	`are people stupid?`
`17:17.28`	`dheckaman`	`why put out the vurnerability if theres a fix out`
`17:17.30`	`dheckaman`	`:)`
`17:17.39`	`dheckaman`	`why not put it in as a security fix`
`17:17.45`	`dheckaman`	`requiered`
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`17:42.45`	`patlabor221`	`damn time zone on the BZBB was still wrong ( GMT +7 not GMT -7)`
`17:44.13`	`prot-work`	`scanline: poke poke poke!`
`17:44.50`	`prot-work`	`patlabor221: Cg is nifty`
`17:45.02`	`patlabor221`	`it is`
`17:45.15`	`prot-work`	`pretty mathy though`
`17:45.38`	`patlabor221`	`yeah that's all it is, just ways to apply math to stuff as it's rendered`
`17:46.08`	`prot-work`	`it was kind of neat to actually apply some of the formulas in a graphics textbook =)`
`17:46.35`	`patlabor221`	`heh, yeah`
`17:47.16`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh .. congrats on your first shader, cap :)`
`17:47.33`	`patlabor221`	`where are the tank colors stored?`
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`17:49.45`	`bzgirl`	`hi`
`17:49.52`	`patlabor221`	`hello`
`17:49.52`	`learnerAtWork`	`hi`
`17:50.18`	`bzgirl`	`learner thnx for the links`
`17:50.27`	`Chestal`	`hello`
`17:50.33`	`prot-work`	`patlabor221: src/common/Team.cxx`
`17:50.42`	`wm`	`lo Chestal hear the news yet?`
`17:50.59`	`Chestal`	`learner: MAC broke it, I think he forgot to commit the latest changes of his playerstate class. The order never gets incremented`
`17:51.07`	`Chestal`	`wm: more or less, I glanced at the backlog`
`17:51.36`	`wm`	`Chestal: you and TimRiker need towork out who gets it`
`17:51.49`	`learnerAtWork`	`yea, chestal -- I figured that`
`17:51.57`	`learnerAtWork`	`haven't seen him to bug him about it`
`17:52.24`	`Chestal`	`wm: I have no idea about the details. So is there a written statement which tells who exactly it should go to?`
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`17:53.01`	`wm`	`no it is bequeathed to "whomsoever represents #bzflag as either a person or organization"`
`17:54.18`	`Chestal`	`that description would fit Tim better than myself`
`17:55.18`	`wm`	`of course it could just go to the users on #bzflag dinah knew`
`17:55.46`	`wm`	`not work 11000USD?`
`17:55.54`	`wm`	`s/work/worth`
`17:56.02`	`TimRiker`	`wm: most of us here knew her. I only knew her from IRC. anyone know her in person?`
`17:56.21`	`wm`	`besides me an percy? i dont think so`
`17:56.25`	`TimRiker`	`wm: setting up the corportation might be more trouble than it's worth.`
`17:56.39`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: corp? hrm`
`17:56.48`	`prot-work`	`nonprofit?`
`17:56.52`	`Chestal`	`I know of only one player who obviously chatted with dinah a little more sometimes. Not a regular on this channel, though`
`17:56.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`There's an amount of work to forming a corporation. Tim will be able to use it no matter what.`
`17:56.59`	`TimRiker`	`we should be able to handle everything as me, then I'd do the Right Thing.`
`17:57.03`	`wm`	`Chestal: who?`
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`17:57.22`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: i think you're trustworthy ;)`
`17:57.23`	`Chestal`	`wm: sn0w_m0nkey aka m0nkey_b0y`
`17:57.33`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: non-profit (in the true sense) is a lot of work.`
`17:57.38`	`wm`	`hrm odd nick for dinah to associate with`
`17:57.42`	`patlabor221`	`yes she did talk to him a fair amount`
`17:57.54`	`patlabor221`	`he came into #dinah with us on ocasion.`
`17:57.58`	`TimRiker`	`wm: we're all a bit odd from time to time. ;-)`
`17:58.18`	`prot-work`	`scanline: poke poke poke poke!`
`17:58.26`	`prot-work`	`scanline: i have to leave soon, do you want to see a 3d monkey or not?`
`17:58.40`	`Chestal`	`wm: well, I don't know how much they talked. when dinah died, percy contacted me on irc and I told a few persons about it. And it turned out that mb probably was 'closest' to her as far as I can tell`
`17:58.40`	`learnerAtWork`	`I don't want to see your monkey`
`17:58.52`	`wm`	`hrm no mention of her on the consumption page... odd`
`17:59.06`	`prot-work`	`learnerAtWork: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/heyheyweretheymonkeys.jpg`
`17:59.24`	`wm`	`prot-work: 404 error`
`17:59.24`	`patlabor221`	`404`
`17:59.35`	`prot-work`	`oops i can type, really`
`17:59.42`	`learnerAtWork`	`not they .. the`
`17:59.46`	`prot-work`	`learnerAtWork: http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/heyheywerethemonkeys.jpg`
`17:59.48`	`learnerAtWork`	`cool`
`18:00.03`	`prot-work`	`learnerAtWork: looks a lot cooler on the polarized-stereo screen >:)`
`18:00.05`	`wm`	`heh`
`18:00.06`	`Chestal`	`wm: monkey then tried to contact percy with an email address I had, but it was invalid`
`18:00.07`	`learnerAtWork`	`so that's what your monkey looks like, eh? :)`
`18:00.17`	`prot-work`	`learnerAtWork: yep`
`18:00.32`	`wm`	`Chestal: percy has had an email since grp went underground`
`18:00.42`	`wm`	`s/has/hasn't`
`18:01.00`	`JBDiGriz`	`Your monkey definitely needs the stereo vision!`
`18:01.30`	`TimRiker`	`wm: consumtio page? you mean the stats page? that's cleaned every 24 hours. have to check the logs to find her.`
`18:01.49`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: i think he means the ctf team`
`18:01.52`	`wm`	`TimRiker: the teams leage page`
`18:02.04`	`TimRiker`	`ah`
`18:02.06`	`Chestal`	`wm: the team was in stasis for a long time, then someone else took over. I'm not sure if the current players really knew dinah anymore`
`18:02.20`	`wm`	`itzo would have`
`18:02.44`	`prot-work`	`awwww`
`18:02.47`	`learnerAtWork`	`saw itzo last night.. forgot to ask him`
`18:02.49`	`prot-work`	`my iced latte is gone :(`
`18:02.57`	`wm`	`err izto i mean`
`18:03.46`	`wm`	`no booze at work? i take it your not in the newspaper biz?`
`18:04.02`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, nope`
`18:04.10`	`prot-work`	`hmm`
`18:04.19`	`wm`	`half the writers i know are never sober`
`18:04.29`	`prot-work`	`i knew a guy who worked for another of the computer support orgs here who drank at work every so often`
`18:04.50`	`prot-work`	`would always grumble something to the effect of "i'm getting a head start"`
`18:05.06`	`wm`	`uhoh i wonder it the team has a lisence to use dinahs picture...`
`18:06.12`	`learnerAtWork`	`well.. there's drinking .. and there's being allowed to drink :)`
`18:06.27`	`prot-work`	`learnerAtWork: indeed!`
`18:07.37`	`prot-work`	`wm: you mean their team logo? if its dinah's artwork, she's the one who put it there`
`18:07.59`	`wm`	`yeah but she has very odd legal arangements on her works`
`18:09.51`	`wm`	`cat /dev/coffee > /prot-work`
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`18:10.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`I don't think capn is in the root directory, better cp that over to /home`
`18:11.46`	`scanline`	`prot-work: we just got out of the clean room. still there?`
`18:11.50`	`prot-work`	`scanline: yeah`
`18:12.00`	`prot-work`	`scanline: meet me in the viz lab in 1 minute or so`
`18:12.08`	`wm`	`whoo hoo its scanline`
`18:12.10`	`wm`	`:))`
`18:12.11`	`scanline`	`er`
`18:12.15`	`scanline`	`I can't leave that soon`
`18:12.21`	`prot-work`	`how soon can you? :P`
`18:13.09`	`scanline`	`I don't know, we're discussing`
`18:13.49`	`scanline`	`ok, be right there`
`18:18.11`	`*** join/#bzflag sik (~skammerdi@proxyr.kodak.com)`
`18:20.05`	`learnerAtWork`	`mmmm.. fish`
`18:21.48`	`*** join/#bzflag Michaelh_ (Mouse@171-189.dynamic.visi.com)`
`18:23.48`	`wm`	`i had the best whitefish yesterday...`
`18:26.38`	`sik`	`sorry about the hitting people with sushi thing, but I am an irc Newbie and a Mirc virgin, and I right clicked something I still have nno idea`
`18:27.16`	`sik`	`how large is your salmon ;->`
`18:27.48`	`Noodleman`	`a vicious, blood-thirsty guppy`
`18:28.19`	`learnerAtWork`	`jees, lotta hungry people in here`
`18:29.41`	`sik`	`From a newbie ? Why do some messages appear in purple, and others in black (Mirc) and how do I change my fish type?`
`18:30.15`	`Noodleman`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`18:34.49`	`wm`	`my bro had an oscar it got two feet long`
`18:35.03`	`wm`	`then it died`
`18:35.16`	`Noodleman`	`i like those things :-)`
`18:35.31`	`Noodleman`	`mine got quite huge, and then we moved, and i sold it`
`18:36.45`	`Noodleman`	`but what i really like is jack dempseys and convict cichlids`
`18:37.22`	`sik`	`our cat tried to get at the Oscar and it gave her such a bite she hasn't gone near the tank since. Damn thing is almost like a pirhana`
`18:37.32`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`18:37.56`	`Michaelh_`	`so what kind of creature is this?`
`18:37.59`	`TimRiker`	`sik: hey!`
`18:38.05`	`sik`	`It's disturing to see claw marks on a fish and realize the FISH WON!`
`18:38.10`	`Noodleman`	`i don't think it did anything more than scare the crap out of the cat tho`
`18:38.13`	`wm`	`its a chilid ;)`
`18:38.38`	`TimRiker`	`~fishslap sik`
`18:38.53`	`Michaelh_`	`doh`
`18:39.06`	`learnerAtWork`	`ibot, eat the fish`
`18:39.26`	`Michaelh_`	`ibot eat the fish`
`18:39.32`	`learnerAtWork`	`ibot die? poor ibot`
`18:39.34`	`Michaelh_`	`hmm`
`18:39.43`	`bryjen`	`~eat fish`
`18:39.54`	`Noodleman`	`i'll bring it back to life`
`18:42.09`	`*** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172)`
`18:42.09`	`* topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ \|\| forums http://bzbb.bzflag.org \|\| put javadoc-style / comments */ in headers! \|\| cvs snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ \|\| Network Meeting Notes @ http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/NetMeeting`
`18:42.10`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ`
`18:42.14`	`wm`	`ibot: botsnack`
`18:42.14`		`:), wm`
`18:42.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`~botsmack`
`18:42.36`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`18:42.42`	`wm`	`ibot: botsmack`
`18:42.43`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`18:42.53`	`wm`	`ypu`
`18:42.57`	`wm`	`yup ;)`
`18:43.04`	`learnerAtWork`	`ibot, eat the guppy`
`18:43.06`		`ACTION eats the guppy and falls over dead`
`18:43.06`	`wm`	`ibot: whois wm?`
`18:43.06`		`wm: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`18:43.25`	`wm`	`ibot: whois wm?`
`18:43.26`		`i guess wm is god`
`18:45.14`	`Michaelh_`	`ibot: who is ibot`
`18:45.15`		`i guess ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`18:49.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: I found a streaming station which is playing a fair amount of Steeleye Span today.`
`18:50.23`	`bzgirl`	`my Dad listens to them`
`18:50.33`	`fiberchunks`	`Steeleye Span?`
`18:50.36`	`bzgirl`	`yeah`
`18:50.42`	`bzgirl`	`hes a Hippie :)`
`18:50.45`	`fiberchunks`	`who dat`
`18:50.58`	`fiberchunks`	`I like the capital H there bzg ;)`
`18:51.05`	`TimRiker`	`~fishslap sik`
`18:51.06`		`ACTION slaps sik up side the head with a wet fish.`
`18:51.13`	`JBDiGriz`	`Lots of old time music with an Irish flavor to it.`
`18:51.19`	`fiberchunks`	`cool`
`18:52.16`	`JBDiGriz`	`bzgirl: When's your dad going to start playing bzflag?`
`18:52.37`	`bzgirl`	`JBDiGriz: when i convince him the internet isnt a "fad"`
`18:52.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`Would he like a tank with a peace symbol on the side?`
`18:52.57`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`18:53.06`	`Noodleman`	`~whowas !@*.penguinstalon.com`
`18:53.13`	`bzgirl`	`"it will never catch on"`
`18:53.23`	`Noodleman`	`bah`
`18:53.48`	`JBDiGriz`	`The early developers were all "hippies".`
`18:54.01`	`fiberchunks`	`they still are ;)`
`18:54.05`	`bzgirl`	`yeah they all have beards too`
`18:54.17`	`TimRiker`	`Noodleman: hmm. ibot could do that, but he does not at the moment. patches welcome.`
`18:54.34`	`JBDiGriz`	`We're starting to lose a number of them.`
`18:54.38`	`Noodleman`	`i was trying to do an irc command, and i did a ~ instead :-)`
`18:54.45`	`learnerAtWork`	`jb, which station is that?`
`18:54.49`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> beards -- or hippies?`
`18:54.57`	`TimRiker`	`Noodleman: would likelu just be a wildcard on seen. ie: seen !@*.penguinstalon.com`
`18:54.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`bzgirl: I tend to shave my beard every year.`
`18:55.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: the early developers.`
`18:55.23`	`Noodleman`	`TimRiker: is ibot modular?`
`18:55.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`learnerAtWork: http://musicsojourn.com/Cat/Folk/Streams/FRS1.htm`
`18:55.42`	`learnerAtWork`	`or, better, where is it in the itunes radiolist`
`18:55.45`	`learnerAtWork`	`ah, thx :)`
`18:56.09`	`JBDiGriz`	`Right now they have some Fairport Convention on.`
`18:56.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`It isn't in itunes, I decided to go looking after the other day for a more unconventional selection.`
`18:56.59`	`TimRiker`	`Noodleman: yeah. insofar as perl can be.`
`18:57.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks inspired me!`
`18:58.10`	`fiberchunks`	`anyone know how to add a net stream to xmms?`
`18:58.27`	`Noodleman`	`play a net stream?`
`18:58.31`	`wm`	`add url to playlist`
`18:58.45`	`Noodleman`	`menu, play location...`
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`19:02.36`	`fiberchunks`	`well, I just added that link that JBDiGriz pasted to my playlist, and clicked play -- it buffers a little bit, and then doesn't play anything`
`19:03.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`That link is for the station, it contains the link to the playlist as well as a link to the current selection. Open it in your browser first.`
`19:04.31`	`fiberchunks`	`I tried that, but it seemed to hang while transferring data`
`19:04.57`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, a reload helped`
`19:07.22`	`fiberchunks`	`got it, thanks JBDiGriz`
`19:07.23`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`19:15.43`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> by the way, Clannad is on that channel right now`
`19:16.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`Hmm, I have Janis Ian right now. I wonder if I'm ahead or behind you?`
`19:18.24`	`fiberchunks`	`'cool_celtic'? dunno`
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`19:18.48`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm on the folk channel. I was going to check out the celtic channel sometime.`
`19:19.09`	`fiberchunks`	`yup, just remembered were on different channels :)`
`19:20.35`	`learnerAtWork`	`folk rock cafe stream commercials.. heh`
`19:21.18`	`david_v`	`my life is about to end... i'm running Windows, against my will :)`
`19:21.51`	`learnerAtWork`	`there's no such thing! you can always kill yourself first :)`
`19:21.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`david_v: That's not a problem, just open port 135 and we'll take care of your machine. ;{)`
`19:22.11`	`david_v`	`JBDiGriz: thanks for the support :D`
`19:22.18`	`david_v`	`learnerAtWork, and you too :)`
`19:23.37`	`Noodleman`	`david_v: we could also send you any virus, of your choosing of course :-)`
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`19:24.36`	`david_v`	`Noodleman, hmm... hard :)`
`19:24.38`	`david_v`	`hi bzgirl`
`19:24.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`Noodleman: send him the linux virus!`
`19:24.42`	`bzgirl`	`hi`
`19:24.48`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`19:24.56`	`david_v`	`i have two Linuxes on the HDD already :)`
`19:25.09`	`david_v`	`and they're "viral" too according to the latest Java /LGPL issues`
`19:25.25`	`Noodleman`	`:-P`
`19:26.55`	`david_v`	`only reason i'm running in Windows is because i need a proper development tool for C++ GUI programs... i'm learning OpenGL`
`19:27.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`david_v: Get a mac!`
`19:27.21`	`david_v`	`JBDiGriz, but that's worse :)`
`19:27.50`	`learnerAtWork`	`Mmmm.. opengl programming on the mac is nice`
`19:27.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`Wothing's nurse than Windoes! :\`
`19:28.02`	`learnerAtWork`	`gui programming is even nicer with interface builder`
`19:28.19`	`david_v`	`if i had to choose between monopolistic bugs, and a monopolistic imflexible too-easy-to-use system, i'd choose the first :)`
`19:28.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`Since when is Darwin monopolistic or inflexible?`
`19:28.52`	`david_v`	`learnerAtWork, on the other hand i don't need the actual GUI stuff, i was a bit unclear there. this is probably going to be all OpenGL stuff`
`19:29.03`	`david_v`	`Darwin? i was talking about Mac :)`
`19:29.13`	`Noodleman`	`darwin IS mac`
`19:29.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`So was I! :-P`
`19:29.25`	`david_v`	`see how much i care about it ;)`
`19:29.32`	`david_v`	`well, sorry :) hm`
`19:29.34`	`learnerAtWork`	`silly david`
`19:29.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`Be like learner, expand your mind!`
`19:30.06`	`learnerAtWork`	`poof`
`19:30.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`Not that much!`
`19:30.08`	`david_v`	`monopolistic it is. they have control over hardware in a large extent`
`19:30.15`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`19:30.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`Darwin runs on PC's as well.`
`19:30.26`	`Noodleman`	`i plan on getting one of those new G5's when i finish moving`
`19:30.45`	`david_v`	`as for the inflexibility, it's about the hardware as well, partially due to that monopoly, partially to the physical structure`
`19:30.49`	`learnerAtWork`	`we all "plan`
`19:30.51`	`learnerAtWork`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:30.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`I plan on getting a G5 when I can find a company to help pay for it.`
`19:30.54`	`david_v`	`but hey am i getting into a PC /Mac debate lol :)`
`19:31.03`	`learnerAtWork`	`it's a matter of finding the cash :)`
`19:31.13`	`david_v`	`i can understand Macs... if you run Linux on them :)`
`19:31.17`	`Noodleman`	`oh, i have the cash`
`19:31.18`	`JBDiGriz`	`There's no debate, you can go on, and we'll try to educate you! :{)`
`19:31.26`	`learnerAtWork`	`Noodleman: can I have some?`
`19:31.26`	`david_v`	`lol`
`19:31.32`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`19:31.41`	`david_v`	`sign me up too :)`
`19:32.09`	`david_v`	`anyway, my major point was the OpenGL programming part. seems to have been lost here... :)`
`19:32.32`	`learnerAtWork`	`david_v: os x isn't much different than linux once you crack open a command-line shell`
`19:32.40`	`david_v`	`hoping to make it (a little game project) quite portable by using OpenGL, OpenAL, and a bit of layering`
`19:32.42`	`learnerAtWork`	`opengwho?`
`19:33.06`	`david_v`	`learnerAtWork, yah i know. but nothing will change my love for Linux :)`
`19:33.21`	`david_v`	`Open GL ?`
`19:33.25`	`david_v`	`www.opengl.org !`
`19:33.32`	`Noodleman`	`the only real difference is that it doesn't use X for the gui, and that the kernel is BSD`
`19:33.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`A little bit of learning can change a lot of things, including how you feel about different OS'es`
`19:33.50`	`david_v`	`Noodleman, but the system is too easy to use :)`
`19:34.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`So open an xterm and have at it!`
`19:34.10`	`Noodleman`	`you can use a terminal`
`19:34.32`	`learnerAtWork`	`heheh, david_v I was kidding about gwho :)`
`19:34.57`	`david_v`	`learnerAtWork, excuses, excuses? ;)`
`19:35.07`	`learnerAtWork`	`eh?`
`19:35.22`	`david_v`	`you just pretend to know about opengl don't you :)`
`19:35.35`	`learnerAtWork`	`of course I do.. :)`
`19:35.49`	`david_v`	`Noodleman, you scare me :)`
`19:35.57`	`Noodleman`	`hehe, why?`
`19:35.58`	`learnerAtWork`	`I know absolutely nothing about graphics, or even computers for that matter :)`
`19:36.26`	`learnerAtWork`	`what the heck is this dohicky box in front of me?`
`19:36.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`rotflmao!`
`19:37.19`	`david_v`	`Noodleman, problem with Macs: you can't get BSODs! :)`
`19:37.32`	`david_v`	`except for fake ones`
`19:37.39`	`learnerAtWork`	`sure you can, the B stands for black :)`
`19:37.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`david_v: There's a program which will put one up. It was written for the switchers who miss it!`
`19:38.23`	`david_v`	`JBDiGriz, that's why i refuse to use fake BSODs, see above :) i have such a screensaver for Linux too`
`19:38.42`	`david_v`	`JBDiGriz, is there a random reboot simulator though? no! hah! :)`
`19:38.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`I like the screensave for Linux because it's egalitarian, even has the mac and HP/UX!`
`19:39.13`	`david_v`	`yep hehe`
`19:39.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's closer to Linux for the random reboot simulator, you just have to wait a few more months before you can get to it! ;-)`
`19:40.28`	`david_v`	`i'll be hanging tight :)`
`19:40.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`I believe fiberchunks will be hanging tight during his vacation! ;{)`
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`19:42.39`	`Noodleman`	`m00, Quol_AtWork`
`19:43.07`	`learnerAtWork`	`hanging tightly to the porcelain god`
`19:43.15`	`Quol_AtWork`	`hey noodle - what's up...long time no speak :)`
`19:43.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`"tight" is yet another expression!`
`19:43.41`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`19:43.45`	`Quol_AtWork`	`learner: drunk again are you?`
`19:43.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`Hi Quol_AtWork, it's definitely another friday on IRC!`
`19:44.16`	`david_v`	`JBDiGriz, i should be able to argue that :)`
`19:44.21`	`fiberchunks`	`by the way, speaking of macs and X -- do they use a server at all?`
`19:44.27`	`learnerAtWork`	`lol, fiber`
`19:44.35`	`Noodleman`	`i don't know about that`
`19:44.38`	`fiberchunks`	`it's true, you know ;)`
`19:44.41`	`learnerAtWork`	`yes, it's creatively called the WindowServer`
`19:44.47`	`fiberchunks`	`how unique`
`19:44.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: I'm not sure what you mean?`
`19:44.57`	`fiberchunks`	`'think different' and all that learnerAtWork ;)`
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`19:45.10`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> an analog to X on linux -- is there one on macs?`
`19:45.25`	`fiberchunks`	`learnerAtWork> why didn't they just use X?`
`19:45.32`	`learnerAtWork`	`You can also install X11, if you want -- it works just fine`
`19:45.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm running X windows on the mac, alongside the Mac GUI Aqua`
`19:45.37`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, cool`
`19:45.41`	`learnerAtWork`	`even alongside Aqua`
`19:46.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's just a matter of which window I click on as to which wm handles it.`
`19:46.24`	`fiberchunks`	`so, in the absence of an X server -- does Aqua serve as both WM and WindowServer -- or is WindowServer it's own entity?`
`19:47.03`	`learnerAtWork`	`yea.. the X mouse bindings seem silly once they are directly comparable to the mac behavior (imo), though you get used to it`
`19:47.40`	`learnerAtWork`	`fiberchunks: yes to both`
`19:48.36`	`fiberchunks`	`interesting -- why did they start from scratch, instead of just making X better :\`
`19:48.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`Apple did a surprisingly good job of integrating Unix and Mac styles.`
`19:49.20`	`learnerAtWork`	`fiberchunks: long uninteresting but reasonable reasons`
`19:49.23`	`Noodleman`	`i think they should have used gecko instead of khtml for safari`
`19:49.23`	`JBDiGriz`	`They didn't start from scratch. They took NeXT and MacOS and did them separately so the userbase wouldn't go completely berserk.`
`19:49.33`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`19:50.04`	`learnerAtWork`	`NeXT did most of the leg work`
`19:50.10`	`learnerAtWork`	`if not all of it`
`19:50.20`	`learnerAtWork`	`Apple just slapped on some new graphics (mostly)`
`19:50.49`	`Quol_AtWork`	`NeXT - I remember that - poor old Steve Jobs getting kicked out of apples only to find out that NeXT didn't work out at all and ends up going back there :)`
`19:50.58`	`JBDiGriz`	`I would prefer that the window system had the remote server capability.`
`19:51.27`	`fiberchunks`	`oh, it can't do remote X things?`
`19:51.45`	`JBDiGriz`	`Quol_AtWork: Interesting interpretation, but I interviewed at NeXT when they were starting up. The hardware was tolerable, but the software really was worthwhile.`
`19:52.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: It can do remote X things, but remote Aqua things aren't automatic like in X Windows. I miss that capability, probably due to working at the low levels of the X window system.`
`19:53.21`	`Quol_AtWork`	`JBDiGriz: their hardware was alright - and the OS was the key to the whole thing - way way overpriced though`
`19:53.33`	`Quol_AtWork`	`JBDiGriz: I guess that's why they died...`
`19:53.50`	`learnerAtWork`	`There is support for remote communication with the window server, it's just not yet user-land friendly`
`19:54.04`	`fiberchunks`	`apple hardware (or anything jobs is involved with), has historically been _much_ more expensive than a similar x86 arch -- that's not to say it isn't worth it, just a notation`
`19:54.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`Quol_AtWork: They sold out to Apple instead of dying. They were definitely overpriced for the market.`
`19:55.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: Most comparisons I've seen show Apple hardware is only slightly more expensive than equivalent X86 hardware. The _much_ more expensive comparisons have always been to cheap X86`
`19:55.16`	`learnerAtWork`	`If I remember my stories correctly, the bid for OS X was between NeXT and BeOS. Gassee really messed up the offer, though.`
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`19:55.59`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, i disagree -- but then again, my knowledge of current cpu goodies from the apple side of the fence has waned since I tossed my IIsi`
`19:56.11`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: As a current example, the Apple iSight is a webcam for $150. People are comparing it to the cheap webcams for $30`
`19:56.13`	`fiberchunks`	`and apple hardware in general`
`19:56.47`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> yah, but compare a fully-packed dell inspiron 8500 (~2500) to a fully loaded equivalent tibook -- are those close?`
`19:56.57`	`fiberchunks`	`i.e. 15" screen, mega-ram, etc, etc`
`19:57.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`the iSight is firewire, comes with some autofocus and zooming capability. You won't find anything like that in the cheap webcams.`
`19:57.11`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed`
`19:57.11`	`TimRiker`	`~dict wap`
`19:57.19`	`TimRiker`	`~dict wapi`
`19:57.23`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: Are you comparing it to the 17" tibook?`
`19:57.23`	`fiberchunks`	`wireless access point`
`19:57.24`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`19:57.39`	`TimRiker`	`and the keys are called?`
`19:57.40`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> no -- there is a 15" tibook right?`
`19:57.50`	`fiberchunks`	`dunno`
`19:58.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'd have to go through the web page, and look through the current offerings. Top of the line is the 17".`
`19:59.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`It would probably be about 20% more expensive to get the Apple.`
`19:59.24`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> like I say, my comparisons are ancient (historically speaking), but apple hardware was enormously different costwise 'back in the day' -- for example, my IIsi was fully loaded when I got it -- but the equivalent fully-loaded x86 system was at least 2k cheapr`
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`19:59.42`	`fiberchunks`	`really? that's not that bad then`
`20:00.30`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: At that point, I recall the fully-loaded x86 didn't have sound/network/... Adding those didn't make up all the cost, but it brought it into reality.`
`20:02.01`	`bryjen`	`somebody try this please: http://63.147.94.149:8000/~bzserve/xmission.png`
`20:03.08`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> not really, from my recollection -- but that was at least 10 years ago -- so my data is incredibly outdated ;)`
`20:03.15`	`JBDiGriz`	`It comes up. Did you have a question about it?`
`20:03.25`	`Quol_AtWork`	`bryjen: I see the png file...`
`20:03.36`	`bryjen`	`Cool. Thanks.`
`20:04.20`	`Quol_AtWork`	`bryjen: really dark though - maybe it's just my video settings though??`
`20:04.46`	`bryjen`	`No. Its dark here too. Needs some gimp'ing`
`20:04.52`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: I remember having this discussion several times since the 1980's and Apple was always 20-50% more expensive, but never more than that if you added the equivalent capabilities.`
`20:05.13`	`fiberchunks`	`that may have been true -- I was a weenie kid back then ;)`
`20:05.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`I bought my first mac in Sept '84 for $2500. Every mac I bought new was about the same price since then.`
`20:06.12`	`fiberchunks`	`heh -- one of them portable jobbies?`
`20:06.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`I donated mine to a school, of course it had some major hardware mods before that!`
`20:06.39`	`patlabor221`	`our schools won't take them`
`20:07.02`	`fiberchunks`	`it amazes me that schools think they need uber-hardware to teach kids`
`20:07.11`	`patlabor221`	`no, they have no mac software`
`20:07.13`	`fiberchunks`	`either that, or 'legal issues' is the hassle`
`20:07.14`	`JBDiGriz`	`I actually carried that first mac up to MacWorld SF in 1985. That thing was heavy!`
`20:07.19`	`patlabor221`	`they take our old PCs just fine`
`20:07.43`	`fiberchunks`	`that's cool -- I've tried to donate several of my old boxen -- but no one would take them for 1 of the above 2 reasons`
`20:07.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`We have an enlightened teacher at my kids school. She set up a mac network and will take anything that works so the kids have more to use.`
`20:08.04`	`fiberchunks`	`good for her!`
`20:08.27`	`patlabor221`	`this is a Performa 600 :(`
`20:08.45`	`Quol_AtWork`	`I take it that you guys love you Mac`
`20:09.01`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's a tool and it gets the job done!`
`20:09.04`	`fiberchunks`	`I still do, though my home is entreched in the x86 mafia`
`20:09.16`	`patlabor221`	`they took my G4 away`
`20:09.20`	`Quol_AtWork`	`I remember playing loadrunner on mny old apple IIe`
`20:09.28`	`Quol_AtWork`	`I used to love that silly game :)`
`20:09.32`	`fiberchunks`	`I may get an emac (or whatever the all-in-ones are called for my kid`
`20:09.45`	`fiberchunks`	`loderunner r0x0rz! ;)`
`20:10.10`	`JBDiGriz`	`I bought a couple of used imacs on ebay, and a refurb emac for wife and kids.`
`20:10.32`	`fiberchunks`	`imac is that thing that looks like it's from war of the worlds, right?`
`20:11.03`	`patlabor221`	`I have a prototype G4 board, cpu and PS around somewhere, I should build it up one of these days`
`20:11.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: The new one looks like a luxo lamp. The old one looks like a VW beetle.`
`20:11.21`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh`
`20:11.56`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> out of curiousity -- how much did the refurb unit cost you? and how has it held up?`
`20:12.19`	`bryjen`	`http://63.147.94.149:8000/~bzserve/xmission.png That's a bit brighter. Now the goofy pyramid is more visible.`
`20:12.51`	`JBDiGriz`	`The refurb came from Apple at $600, and it's a solid unit. I've had it for 3 months now. My only complaint is they tightened the access plate too much!`
`20:13.43`	`bryjen`	`~seen TimRiker`
`20:13.44`		`i haven't seen 'timriker ', bryjen`
`20:13.46`	`fiberchunks`	`cool -- that's a nice deal -- is it one of the newer emacsen, or the older (15" vs 17" screen is primarily what I mean)`
`20:14.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'd have to doublecheck, since I'm rarely allowed to go near it.`
`20:15.16`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`20:15.43`	`fiberchunks`	`thx for the info -- think I may get one of them for the kid for christmas`
`20:16.12`	`fiberchunks`	`courtesy of 'his santaness'`
`20:16.16`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`20:16.19`	`patlabor221`	`is it a color? or gray?`
`20:16.28`	`patlabor221`	`emacs are only one color ( gray ) iirc`
`20:18.36`	`fiberchunks`	`ah good, blender is now managed by fluxbox -- much better`
`20:18.38`	`learnerAtWork`	`my emacs uses lots of color when I program :))`
`20:18.49`	`fiberchunks`	`VI! blashpemer! ;)`
`20:18.57`	`JBDiGriz`	`emacs are snow white!`
`20:19.12`	`patlabor221`	`fiber, remember that talk we had about zellots?`
`20:19.25`	`fiberchunks`	`I'm not a zealot, I'm a fanatic ;)`
`20:19.31`	`learnerAtWork`	`:heh`
`20:19.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`~dict zellot`
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`20:19.44`	`bryjen`	`~spell zellot`
`20:19.50`		`possible spellings for zellot: zealot sellout zloty Elliot zealots Celt slot Cello cello Eliot allot helot Zelda ballot cellos pellet Elliott celled`
`20:19.50`	`fiberchunks`	`:wq`
`20:19.55`	`patlabor221`	`jbd are you related to dervish duckot?`
`20:19.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`Maybe it's a cross between a zebra and a shallot?`
`20:20.03`	`fiberchunks`	`I wonder if I could map vi bindings to xchat`
`20:20.06`	`fiberchunks`	`;)`
`20:21.15`	`learnerAtWork`	`oooh tease and toy with me vile being!`
`20:21.27`	`fiberchunks`	`hehehe`
`20:21.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`He'll get you one too, if you ask nicely!`
`20:21.50`	`fiberchunks`	`it's mich ultra, so I'm not exactly sure that it qualifies as 'beer' per se -- but it tastes the same ;)`
`20:21.51`	`learnerAtWork`	`Doesn't taste the same`
`20:22.09`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh`
`20:22.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`fiberchunks: It looks like all emacs are 17"`
`20:22.53`	`fiberchunks`	`I need the 'low carbs' to try and deplete my overly abundant figure`
`20:22.59`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> cool -- that's nice to know`
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`20:23.27`	`JBDiGriz`	`learnerAtWork needs something better to hug!`
`20:23.44`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, true :)`
`20:24.23`	`learnerAtWork`	`nothing worth considering within at least a half-mile, though`
`20:24.28`	`fiberchunks`	`heh, we should have an 'east-coast style' vs. 'west-coast crew' bzflag battle one night -- i think it's about even`
`20:25.08`	`JBDiGriz`	`great we have patlabor221 and me! :-P`
`20:25.19`	`fiberchunks`	`and capt / scan too`
`20:25.41`	`JBDiGriz`	`cap, how do you feel about being called a west coaster?`
`20:26.11`	`fiberchunks`	`we could make it global -- bisect the earth at some arbitrary point (i.e. indiana - moscow) and do a 'hemi-spherical' challenge :)`
`20:26.38`	`fiberchunks`	`I wonder how many people south of the equator play bz --`
`20:27.00`	`learnerAtWork`	`ooo, good question`
`20:27.12`	`Quol_AtWork`	`there are a couple I have met in Australia - but not many...`
`20:27.13`	`learnerAtWork`	`there are people down there??`
`20:27.19`	`fiberchunks`	`I've seen a couple of aussies personally -- but samerica I'm not sure about`
`20:27.21`	`Quol_AtWork`	`lol learnerAtWork`
`20:27.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`I think I've run into a couple from South America`
`20:27.48`	`Quol_AtWork`	`I have met a couple in brazil, and cuba and mexico....`
`20:28.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`You would think it would be popular in Brazil. ;-)`
`20:28.11`	`fiberchunks`	`it seems mostly us, germany, britain, and japan (when japan isn't cheating that is ;) )`
`20:28.14`	`bryjen`	`I think Austrailia's got poor connectivity via US west coast`
`20:28.36`	`Quol_AtWork`	`Canada is at least 2 people strong :)`
`20:28.41`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed`
`20:28.43`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`20:28.48`	`Quol_AtWork`	`or 2 tank strong :)`
`20:29.04`	`fiberchunks`	`nah -- they should dress you in red and stick you on a horse-tank ;)`
`20:29.11`	`Quol_AtWork`	`lol`
`20:29.17`	`JBDiGriz`	`I can think of 3 off the top of my head from Canada, at least 2 of whom are here!`
`20:29.29`	`Quol_AtWork`	`whose the 3rd?`
`20:29.31`	`fiberchunks`	`quol and bzgirl, right?`
`20:29.36`	`Quol_AtWork`	`yup - that's right`
`20:30.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`Let's just say that the third is somewhat disreputable.`
`20:30.15`	`learnerAtWork`	`I know a third :)`
`20:30.21`	`learnerAtWork`	`er, the third`
`20:30.41`	`Quol_AtWork`	`where are you located learner?`
`20:30.54`	`learnerAtWork`	`Maryland, US`
`20:31.22`	`Quol_AtWork`	`ahh, I knew it was the US - forgot where`
`20:31.40`	`learnerAtWork`	`:)`
`20:32.07`	`Quol_AtWork`	`I have met a bunch of West Coast BZers - there are lots over there..`
`20:32.10`	`fiberchunks`	`learner and I'll take all you westerners on, oh yah, and you canucks too ;)`
`20:32.19`	`patlabor221`	`there are?`
`20:32.22`	`patlabor221`	`I know of 3`
`20:32.27`	`learnerAtWork`	`The internat's are usualy offended if I just use the state code :)`
`20:32.40`	`fiberchunks`	`you, jb, and derv -- there must be more`
`20:32.50`	`Quol_AtWork`	`Can't remember who they are - but I remember 3 years ago or so and being surprised that there were so many`
`20:33.00`	`patlabor221`	`noodleman is/was in oregon`
`20:33.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`There are a number up around the bay area.`
`20:33.07`	`fiberchunks`	`yup`
`20:33.51`	`fiberchunks`	`quite a few germans too`
`20:33.56`	`patlabor221`	`yes`
`20:34.00`	`fiberchunks`	`why is that?`
`20:34.09`	`learnerAtWork`	`I knew of 3 just in MD, but I forget who the 3rd is now.. hrmph`
`20:34.25`	`Quol_AtWork`	`Open Source is bigger oversees than in North America - maybe that's a reason??`
`20:34.40`	`learnerAtWork`	`those germans are just crazy I tell ya ..`
`20:34.49`	`patlabor221`	`Germany also does have those restrictions on game content as well`
`20:34.51`	`fiberchunks`	`dunno -- just seems a disproportionate number of germans play, compared with the rest of europe ips`
`20:35.03`	`fiberchunks`	`really? didn't know that -- how are they restricted?`
`20:35.14`	`patlabor221`	`you can't show killing people`
`20:35.16`	`patlabor221`	`no blood`
`20:35.28`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, that's almost funny`
`20:35.29`	`fiberchunks`	`interesting`
`20:35.29`	`patlabor221`	`UT was changed to where all the players were robots`
`20:35.36`	`Quol_AtWork`	`for commercial games - does that apply to internet games also??`
`20:35.39`	`fiberchunks`	`wow`
`20:35.42`	`patlabor221`	`probably not`
`20:35.58`	`patlabor221`	`but if there are less games there more people will probbly turn to free games`
`20:36.06`	`JBDiGriz`	`I'm not sure how they would expect to enforce that on open-source games.`
`20:36.13`	`patlabor221`	`they don't`
`20:36.23`	`patlabor221`	`even mods for comercials are exmpt`
`20:36.29`	`patlabor221`	`its just what you sell`
`20:36.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`At least they're only being half-silly.`
`20:37.03`	`patlabor221`	`since they can't buy quake 3, the people with the action itch will go searching the net for online action games`
`20:37.22`	`learnerAtWork`	`and download the quake demo?`
`20:37.24`	`fiberchunks`	`or download it from some warez site, I imagine`
`20:37.29`	`patlabor221`	`some yes`
`20:37.43`	`patlabor221`	`others will find games like BZ, cube, what have you`
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`20:38.01`	`patlabor221`	`I'm just saying there is probably more searching for stuff like this, so a bit more people find there way here.`
`20:38.12`	`fiberchunks`	`well, that's good then :)`
`20:38.33`	`patlabor221`	`where as like in the US, there isn't realy a need for searching cus there is a derth of other action games ( warez or not ).`
`20:38.53`	`fiberchunks`	`more blood, more it sells in the us`
`20:39.06`	`bryjen`	`~dict derth`
`20:39.25`	`patlabor221`	`ahhh byrgen is related to derv as well it seems :)`
`20:39.29`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`20:39.38`	`bryjen`	`who?`
`20:39.44`	`JBDiGriz`	`That was even funnier than the original comment!`
`20:40.21`	`JBDiGriz`	`bryjen isn't related to Derv. Bryjen has a sense of humor! ;-P`
`20:40.29`	`patlabor221`	`ahhhh yes this is true`
`20:41.16`	`Quol_AtWork`	`haven't heard about cube before - some really nice textures and worlds...`
`20:42.10`	`fiberchunks`	`at least you have a thick skin about it ;)`
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`20:42.10`	`fiberchunks`	`prot-work> you around?`
`20:42.10`	`Legolas`	`hey all`
`20:42.10`	`fiberchunks`	`heys`
`20:42.37`	`patlabor221`	`cube is interesting`
`20:42.44`	`patlabor221`	`it's a wierd engine tho`
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`20:43.20`	`fiberchunks`	`fun!`
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`20:44.53`	`Quol_AtWork`	`lots of Netsplit's happening all of a sudden...`
`20:45.09`	`fiberchunks`	`I think it's a planned thang`
`20:45.46`	`Quol_AtWork`	`cube looks cool - they should have spealt it with a Q though as in Qube :)`
`20:46.10`	`Quol_AtWork`	`spealt = spelled :(`
`20:47.13`	`Quol_AtWork`	`well guys/galls - I am outta here, see you later...`
`20:47.23`	`fiberchunks`	`later on quol`
`20:47.28`	`Bagheera`	`cya`
`20:50.42`	`patlabor221`	`is the world followd by "it"`
`20:50.49`	`learnerAtWork`	`yup`
`20:50.49`	`JBDiGriz`	`Remember heading home means "beer", that's the only word you would have to say!`
`20:51.02`	`learnerAtWork`	`heheh, jb`
`20:51.35`	`wm`	`mmmm give wm beer`
`20:51.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`wm: You have to ask fiberchunks nicely`
`21:02.46`	`Bagheera`	`beer, did someone say beer`
`21:02.57`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed!`
`21:03.59`	`JBDiGriz`	`What's the official beer of bzflag?`
`21:04.10`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, beer fight!`
`21:04.21`	`Bagheera`	`only one?`
`21:04.35`	`JBDiGriz`	`beer is plural!`
`21:04.46`	`JBDiGriz`	`You can't have one beer!`
`21:04.52`	`learnerAtWork`	`JB, I need to find that devil brew you mentioned when I make it out there :)`
`21:05.18`	`learnerAtWork`	`what was it called?`
`21:05.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`Arrogant Bastard, San Marcos Brewery. I'll doublecheck where it's on tap.`
`21:05.38`	`fiberchunks`	`yes he is ^^ ;)`
`21:05.39`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, that's it :)`
`21:05.44`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's a gargoyle, not a devil!@`
`21:05.53`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, fiber`
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`21:06.24`	`JBDiGriz`	`If you haven't read the pitch for AB Ale, you should!`
`21:07.15`	`learnerAtWork`	`I read the whole site.. sounds like good stuff :)`
`21:07.44`	`learnerAtWork`	`http://www.beeradvocate.com/beer/rate_results/147/8951/`
`21:07.49`	`freelancer`	`anyone here know what you have to do to make bz work with a joystick??`
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`21:09.25`	`learnerAtWork`	`hehehe.. I love this quote: "it is quite simply an unforgettable beer - I am sure I can still taste it"`
`21:09.35`	`freelancer`	`anyone here know what you have to do to make bz work with a joystick??`
`21:09.48`	`learnerAtWork`	`I hear an echo`
`21:09.58`	`learnerAtWork`	`wasn't there a thread on bzbb about that?`
`21:09.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`21:10.08`	`bzgirl`	`hi nicky`
`21:10.17`	`freelancer`	`i'll take a look`
`21:10.23`	`learnerAtWork`	`I'm not sure, fiber`
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`21:10.53`	`bzgirl`	`hi Chikorita`
`21:11.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hey angie`
`21:11.06`	`Chikorita`	`hi bzg`
`21:11.17`	`patlabor221`	`hey chia`
`21:11.30`	`Chikorita`	`hello :)`
`21:11.45`	`Chikorita`	`heehe did any1 c spiffs pix`
`21:12.01`	`patlabor221`	`the boy needs a comb`
`21:12.02`	`Chikorita`	`funny stuff`
`21:12.09`	`Chikorita`	`LoL pat!`
`21:12.18`	`Chikorita`	`prolly break it too`
`21:12.23`	`Chikorita`	`snicka`
`21:12.25`	`Chikorita`	`j/k`
`21:13.00`	`Bagheera`	`hell learn`
`21:13.04`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, where's spiffs pic?`
`21:13.05`	`Chikorita`	`i tink he took his pix off da wen learner`
`21:13.09`	`JBDiGriz`	`learnerAtWork: The location where they were sampling is about a mile from me, but it's not walking distance from the hotel.`
`21:13.29`	`Chikorita`	`now u kno y i dunt post mine...`
`21:13.30`	`Chikorita`	`:P`
`21:13.34`	`Bagheera`	`BEER SAMPLES?`
`21:13.36`	`learnerAtWork`	`ah, jb.. that's within cab distance which is good enough for me :)`
`21:14.03`	`learnerAtWork`	`Chika, he took em off cause of me??`
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`21:14.22`	`Chikorita`	`oops i mean web*`
`21:14.28`	`Chikorita`	`no not cuz u`
`21:14.35`	`Chikorita`	`i made a typo boo boo`
`21:14.37`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`21:14.46`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh, ok`
`21:15.26`	`JBDiGriz`	`learnerAtWork: http://www.stonebrew.com/placementlist/data/area10.html`
`21:16.40`	`JBDiGriz`	`patlabor221 never makes typos, he just has a warped sense of humor that only the irc types can appreciate!`
`21:17.11`	`Chikorita`	`heehe sumtimes typos r funny`
`21:17.18`	`patlabor221`	`~ban-everyone`
`21:17.18`		`: are you sure you want to ban everyone? <Y,n,a>`
`21:17.23`	`Chikorita`	`fiber made one last nite , it was actually a kewl new werd`
`21:17.32`	`Chikorita`	`no ban mee :(`
`21:17.53`	`patlabor221`	`if I baned everyone I would be talking to myself`
`21:17.59`	`patlabor221`	`and that's just not as fun anymore`
`21:18.05`	`JBDiGriz`	`That's not unusual.`
`21:18.08`	`Chikorita`	`fiber sed "automagically" wen he meant "automatically"`
`21:18.09`	`Bagheera`	`could be the first sign of insanity`
`21:18.20`	`patlabor221`	`no it's the first sine of sanity`
`21:18.24`	`learnerAtWork`	`it's automatic magic`
`21:18.26`	`Chikorita`	`heehe sumtimes i tink my puter werks automagically`
`21:18.38`	`JBDiGriz`	`Chikorita: That's an old word.`
`21:18.42`	`Chikorita`	`esp. wen it downloads stuff`
`21:18.44`	`Bagheera`	`could be automagically, i work with magic nets, and they are auto routed`
`21:18.44`	`patlabor221`	`your computer has the magic smoke in side that makes it run`
`21:18.51`	`Chikorita`	`o it iz?`
`21:18.53`	`patlabor221`	`cus it don't work when the smoke comes out`
`21:18.55`	`learnerAtWork`	`most of my software works automagically`
`21:18.57`	`Chikorita`	`lol pat`
`21:19.09`	`Chikorita`	`<<<has a non-smokin puter :)`
`21:19.14`	`learnerAtWork`	`patlabor221: I thought they were hamsters, not snakes`
`21:19.28`	`JBDiGriz`	`Don't let the magic smoke out, or it won't work anymore!`
`21:19.29`	`patlabor221`	`snakes can't turn the wheels`
`21:19.33`	`Chikorita`	`ooh so many PMs, brb`
`21:19.38`	`Chikorita`	`lol pat`
`21:19.39`	`learnerAtWork`	`heheh`
`21:19.43`	`Bagheera`	`grumble, grumble, beer`
`21:19.44`	`Chikorita`	`maybee dem gerbils?`
`21:19.48`	`Chikorita`	`grml`
`21:20.05`	`patlabor221`	`the Gerbil Relational Markup Languate?`
`21:20.14`	`bryjen`	`we let the smoke out of a HDD the other day. It was brand new too :(`
`21:22.47`	`learnerAtWork`	`heheh, sgi cheated worse than me with the pics :)`
`21:24.00`	`Bagheera`	`cya all, back to work`
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`21:25.24`	`fiberchunks`	`I am having issues with rotational stability of my 'non-full cancer pack tower'`
`21:25.36`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
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`21:27.38`	`Chikorita`	`hi david`
`21:27.45`	`david_v`	`hey Chiko`
`21:27.54`	`david_v`	`BTW, i just tried ET in Windows XP Home`
`21:27.56`	`david_v`	`worked fine`
`21:28.05`	`david_v`	`so you have some curious problem`
`21:28.12`	`Chikorita`	`u gonna beat us up again taday david?`
`21:28.13`	`david_v`	`or had, now that you deleted the game, as i understand it`
`21:28.29`	`Chikorita`	`:(`
`21:28.32`	`david_v`	`hm, i can try? two teamies are around`
`21:28.40`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`21:28.43`	`Chikorita`	`bz bully u`
`21:28.46`	`Chikorita`	`j/k`
`21:28.47`	`Chikorita`	`;)`
`21:28.48`	`david_v`	`heh`
`21:28.54`	`Chikorita`	`i was impressed tho`
`21:28.58`	`Chikorita`	`esp. wif sussi`
`21:29.03`	`Chikorita`	`he much improve`
`21:29.32`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`21:29.44`	`david_v`	`Chikorita: if you want you can come to #fortix and make your suggestion :)`
`21:29.53`	`Chikorita`	`imma try to install ET wif win98`
`21:30.02`	`Chikorita`	`o okies`
`21:30.22`	`Chikorita`	`#fortix /join`
`21:30.23`	`Chikorita`	`oops`
`21:30.27`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`21:30.29`	`Chikorita`	`how i do dat i forgot`
`21:30.35`	`david_v`	`other way :)`
`21:30.38`	`Chikorita`	`o okies`
`21:30.39`	`Chikorita`	`duh`
`21:34.30`	`learnerAtWork`	`mmm.. nice tune on that station now`
`21:37.52`	`Chikorita`	`lol sum1 wif da callsign Keyser Soze on secretplace`
`21:37.56`	`Chikorita`	`funny name`
`21:38.09`	`Chikorita`	`and Dan Rather name too`
`21:38.12`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`21:38.17`	`patlabor221`	`who is kyser soze?`
`21:38.34`	`Chikorita`	`from da movie "da usual suspects"`
`21:38.43`	`patlabor221`	`I know, that was the joke :)`
`21:38.45`	`Chikorita`	`he iz da ficticious bad guy`
`21:38.50`	`Chikorita`	`o i c`
`21:38.53`	`Chikorita`	`heehe pat`
`21:39.07`	`Chikorita`	`WhO iZ KeiZa SoZe!`
`21:39.10`	`prot-work`	`keyser soze is one of the embedded linux guys who hangs out with the picogui crew`
`21:39.11`	`Chikorita`	`:$`
`21:39.38`	`patlabor221`	`not so fictisious in the end was he?`
`21:39.47`	`prot-work`	`apparently not`
`21:40.02`	`prot-work`	`woo!`
`21:40.10`	`learnerAtWork`	`that was a good movie`
`21:40.13`	`prot-work`	`why did i ever think that shaders were hard?`
`21:40.20`	`learnerAtWork`	`dunno cap ;)`
`21:40.39`	`patlabor221`	`they shouldn't be`
`21:40.48`	`learnerAtWork`	`you can work on my photon-map shader next for me, mkay? thx ;)`
`21:41.07`	`JBDiGriz`	`What's it pay?`
`21:41.39`	`learnerAtWork`	`heh`
`21:42.34`	`Chikorita`	`eww gummymints`
`21:42.36`	`learnerAtWork`	`lol, gummymint :)`
`21:42.40`	`learnerAtWork`	`hehehehehh`
`21:42.42`	`learnerAtWork`	`that's great`
`21:42.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`I think they're related to Penguin Mints.`
`21:43.02`	`Chikorita`	`hi JB :)`
`21:44.32`	`fiberchunks`	`JBDiGriz> if only the gummymint were as tasty as it sounds ;)`
`21:44.42`	`fiberchunks`	`but ... it isn't`
`21:44.50`	`JBDiGriz`	`It's as sticky as it sounds! ;-)`
`21:44.55`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed :)`
`21:45.11`	`Chikorita`	`mints r only good as hard candy`
`21:45.18`	`Chikorita`	`like candy canes`
`21:45.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`I can think of a couple of other good uses for mints.`
`21:47.08`	`learnerAtWork`	`lol, fiber`
`21:48.11`	`Chikorita`	`o yum`
`21:48.18`	`Chikorita`	`those r so good`
`21:48.28`	`learnerAtWork`	`veeeery gooood`
`21:48.37`	`Chikorita`	`those an push ups`
`21:48.43`	`Chikorita`	`and italian ices`
`21:49.05`	`Chikorita`	`ok im going 2 59999 to get beat up by fortix`
`21:49.09`	`Chikorita`	`bbl`
`21:49.18`	`Chikorita`	`:4`
`21:49.25`	`Chikorita`	`oops`
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`21:57.36`	`Bagheera`	`flubbyerdy flubberdy, hit wrong key started irc chat......fluberdy`
`22:03.06`	`learnerAtWork`	`am I split?`
`22:03.59`	`learnerAtWork`	`hello?`
`22:04.35`	`*** join/#bzflag learnerAtWork (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net)`
`22:04.50`	`learnerAtWork`	`my first netsplit or just a quiet room... hrm`
`22:06.19`	`fiberchunks`	`hello`
`22:06.35`	`fiberchunks`	`you ain't split`
`22:08.15`	`learnerAtWork`	`and I haven't even started drinking`
`22:13.56`	`fiberchunks`	`then you should start :)`
`22:16.24`	`learnerAtWork`	`I should :(`
`22:19.14`	`learnerAtWork`	`"she can't take much more of this, captain!"`
`22:19.53`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`22:20.04`	`fiberchunks`	`when did you get a sex change? ;)`
`22:20.13`	`learnerAtWork`	`lol`
`22:20.28`	`learnerAtWork`	`whew`
`22:20.42`	`fiberchunks`	`prot-work> is sfsnap still snappin?`
`22:21.22`	`fiberchunks`	`last one was 0602 your time -- have there been commits since then? (I have no idea how to check for this)`
`22:21.39`	`learnerAtWork`	`that sounds right`
`22:21.53`	`prot-work`	`i don't think there have been commits since then`
`22:22.02`	`learnerAtWork`	`that would've been about when scanline went to bed :)`
`22:22.52`	`prot-work`	`naw, thats when scanline left for work`
`22:23.21`	`learnerAtWork`	`oh, really? so he doesn't sleep then .. okay`
`22:23.25`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, cool`
`22:23.36`	`learnerAtWork`	`that explains a lot`
`22:25.04`	`prot-work`	`he keeps about a 36-hour day`
`22:25.16`	`prot-work`	`up for 24, sleeps for 12`
`22:25.31`	`CIA`	`03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/common (WordFilter.cxx): increased limit, found REG_NOSUB to be rather useless`
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`22:37.01`	`*** join/#bzflag Chikorita (Chikorita@AC8761ED.ipt.aol.com)`
`22:38.19`	`Chikorita`	`everybodyyyy everyboDyyyyy evErBodyyy EvErybodyyy`
`22:38.21`	`Chikorita`	`:D`
`22:38.23`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`22:38.57`	`Chikorita`	`hi again every1`
`22:39.53`	`Chikorita`	`hmm`
`22:40.04`	`Chikorita`	`so quiet in herre...`
`22:40.55`	`fiberchunks`	`everyone sleepin`
`22:41.01`	`Chikorita`	`ooH`
`22:41.10`	`Chikorita`	`okies i b quiet`
`22:41.49`	`Chikorita`	`mumu man...`
`22:41.54`	`Chikorita`	`he snores`
`22:41.59`	`Chikorita`	`heehe`
`22:42.01`	`Chikorita`	`:x`
`22:42.24`	`prot-work`	`yay for using shaders as an excuse to use the onyx, and using the onyx as an excuse to learn shaders!`
`22:42.53`	`Chikorita`	`yay :)`
`22:43.30`	`Chikorita`	`dat remind mee i need ta call da dealership up`
`22:44.21`	`doughecka`	`why do you talk like that`
`22:44.40`	`Chikorita`	`not talking`
`22:44.41`	`Chikorita`	`typing`
`22:45.00`	`Chikorita`	`y do u ask y?`
`22:45.49`	`doughecka`	`at least I use full and complete words`
`22:46.35`	`Chikorita`	`dats nice`
`22:46.48`	`Chikorita`	`4 u`
`22:47.22`	`fiberchunks`	`why do you care?`
`22:47.54`	`doughecka`	`its hard to read :)`
`22:48.01`	`Chikorita`	`iz it?`
`22:48.02`	`Chikorita`	`gee`
`22:48.09`	`learnerAtWork`	`you'll get used to it soon enough :)`
`22:48.10`	`fiberchunks`	`I agree, but I don't care -- I can still decipher it`
`22:48.23`	`Chikorita`	`sorry if it take too much of ur brain effort`
`22:48.38`	`doughecka`	`learnerAtWork: unfortunly :)`
`22:48.51`	`Chikorita`	`theres alwayz da ignore button ...`
`22:49.06`	`Chikorita`	`if u dunt like da way i type`
`22:50.19`	`Chikorita`	`phew`
`22:50.52`	`doughecka`	`learner, learnerAtWork: wow, 2 places at one time ;)`
`22:50.57`	`Chikorita`	`like i was sayin , i mus have a sign on mee head dat sez "PiCk On MEe"`
`22:52.03`	`fiberchunks`	`dunno, can't see you from here`
`22:52.37`	`learnerAtWork`	`I'd rather only be where learner is`
`22:53.09`	`prot-work`	`ok, i think i'm gonna close up for the day`
`22:54.20`	`fiberchunks`	`even prot-work`
`22:54.28`	`fiberchunks`	`whoops, evening`
`22:54.43`	`doughecka`	`hes detached :P`
`23:13.31`	`*** join/#bzflag hans (~fugalh@128.187.242.99)`
`23:14.40`	`hans`	`we're doing a lug lanparty tomorrow, gonna play bzflag. some of us (like me) are newbies to bzflag and I'm sure others are experts. Any suggestions for options and/or worlds?`
`23:15.13`	`learnerAtWork`	`ctf 2-shot (no jumping!), flags optional`
`23:17.12`	`doughecka`	`and the spirals map`
`23:17.13`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`23:17.25`	`Chikorita`	`try FFA an CTF`
`23:17.55`	`Chikorita`	`like intermip :)`
`23:18.07`	`*** join/#bzflag david_v (~david@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se)`
`23:18.10`	`learnerAtWork`	`or decks`
`23:18.14`	`fiberchunks`	`jumping! learnerAtWork only says that cause he can't jump ;)`
`23:18.18`	`Chikorita`	`hi david`
`23:18.21`	`david_v`	`hey Chiko`
`23:18.21`	`Chikorita`	`bye david`
`23:18.27`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`23:18.27`	`Chikorita`	`i gtg all goin out tanite`
`23:18.33`	`david_v`	`found out that i was still idling here... had forgot about that lol :)`
`23:18.37`	`david_v`	`cya Chiko... :)`
`23:19.58`	`fiberchunks`	`ahhhhhhh`
`23:22.25`	`captain_proton`	`yay i'm home`
`23:22.38`	`learnerAtWork`	`boo i'm not`
`23:22.40`	`captain_proton`	`deeeeecks`
`23:22.50`	`captain_proton`	`although if there are experts, decks isn't so hot`
`23:23.17`	`learnerAtWork`	`ffa is usually pretty good if there's a lot of ctf experts`
`23:23.29`	`learnerAtWork`	`given 10 shots and all heck breaks loose`
`23:23.38`	`learnerAtWork`	`everyone dies`
`23:23.40`	`david_v`	`i hate ffa... ducati is my life`
`23:23.47`	`learnerAtWork`	`me too`
`23:24.02`	`david_v`	`i occasionally try some FFA server, only to leave after about ten minutes`
`23:24.09`	`learnerAtWork`	`classic game is .. well .. classic :)`
`23:24.11`	`david_v`	`either due to extreme lag or just me refusing to learn it`
`23:24.33`	`david_v`	`see lags around 400-500 ms sometimes`
`23:25.16`	`captain_proton`	`most FFA servers kinda suck a lot`
`23:25.33`	`fiberchunks`	`there is no learning in ffa, mostly just shoot and hope, imho`
`23:25.48`	`david_v`	`i think so too`
`23:26.00`	`david_v`	`especially with the lag!`
`23:26.04`	`fiberchunks`	`so's I could whoop on learner ;)`
`23:26.05`	`learnerAtWork`	`I don't get the appeal, to be honest, but to each their own`
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`23:26.11`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ`
`23:26.13`	`david_v`	`shoot, and hope the guy hasn't already sneaked behind you :)`
`23:26.19`	`learnerAtWork`	`lol, fiberchunks`
`23:26.22`	`learnerAtWork`	`bring it on :)`
`23:26.23`	`captain_pistachi`	`freakin' hell`
`23:26.35`	`david_v`	`hi pistachi`
`23:26.45`	`fiberchunks`	`think of it this way -- if you were just starting -- the easiest, most familiar thing, is to shoot alot and avoid shooting - at least that's my idea of it`
`23:27.01`	`david_v`	`shoot alot and avoid shooting? sorry :)`
`23:27.10`	`fiberchunks`	`heh, avoid being shot :)`
`23:27.30`	`david_v`	`i kinda figured :) well, it sounds simply, but i get disgusted everytime`
`23:27.34`	`fiberchunks`	`pseudo-beer begins to take effect`
`23:27.36`	`david_v`	`i think it's too late for me to rescue and FFA skills`
`23:27.44`	`david_v`	`*any`
`23:27.48`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`23:28.16`	`fiberchunks`	`well, imho, any server over 20 ppl with 10 shots is just obscene -- the only way to get anything accomplished is to camp`
`23:28.31`	`fiberchunks`	`score wise, that is`
`23:28.39`	`david_v`	`and i hate campers. i still have nightmares about GMs... see, i don't get anywhere`
`23:29.06`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, I don't care about campers, that's more reason to pick up ST or whatever, and go hunting :)`
`23:29.19`	`learnerAtWork`	`yay for pseudobeer`
`23:29.24`	`david_v`	`well that's a prob i can't even get a suitable flag without being shot over and over`
`23:29.31`	`fiberchunks`	`I'll try to get 'em like 5 times in a row too, just for good measure :)`
`23:29.37`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed`
`23:29.54`	`fiberchunks`	`overloaded server, with too many shots -- I think the best FFA is 3 shots with no rico`
`23:30.01`	`learnerAtWork`	`another way to think about the whole ffa vs. ctf is that most of the ctflagers are generally much better players`
`23:30.13`	`fiberchunks`	`kiss my nuggets you ;)`
`23:30.27`	`learnerAtWork`	`it's rather discouraging to try and do well against a field of moles and company`
`23:30.33`	`fiberchunks`	`in their element I agree`
`23:30.38`	`david_v`	`learnerAtWork: explain that. i am a big big loser at ffa :)`
`23:30.47`	`learnerAtWork`	`hehehe`
`23:30.52`	`fiberchunks`	`but for example, you're a good ctf player -- but toss you into ffa and you get whooped`
`23:31.19`	`fiberchunks`	`just as I get whooped whenever I set foot on ctf`
`23:31.28`	`david_v`	`btw i just can't handle ffa mentally. i get shot too much, and don't see any point in it when i can go back and have fun with ctf :)`
`23:31.28`	`learnerAtWork`	`quite true`
`23:31.30`	`fiberchunks`	`set tread rather :)`
`23:31.41`	`david_v`	`fiber, heh`
`23:31.53`	`learnerAtWork`	`it just takes a while to get used to the different strategy in ffa`
`23:31.57`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, I like the chaos of ffa -- it (believe it or not) relieves stress :)`
`23:31.59`	`fiberchunks`	`indeed`
`23:32.15`	`david_v`	`of course. but i just can't stay there. it's physically impossible`
`23:32.18`	`fiberchunks`	`imho, there is NO point to teams in ffa -- it's actually quite retarded`
`23:32.25`	`learnerAtWork`	`I can hold middle ground after a half-hour or so if I really try`
`23:32.37`	`learnerAtWork`	`I like to take shots at all the jumpers :)`
`23:32.38`	`david_v`	`fiber, yes, i think so too`
`23:33.10`	`david_v`	`taking shots at jumpers is easy... at least when they reach the ground`
`23:33.13`	`david_v`	`and if they don't LAAAGGG`
`23:33.22`	`david_v`	`just to emphasize my hatred for it :)`
`23:33.29`	`learnerAtWork`	`rabbits will bring a whole different light to ffa.. it'll be interesting`
`23:33.34`	`fiberchunks`	`mmmm, I have a built-in jump reflex now -- which _really_ hurts me when I ctf it`
`23:33.41`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`23:33.43`	`learnerAtWork`	`heheh`
`23:34.00`	`learnerAtWork`	`I have a built-in no jump reflex`
`23:34.03`	`david_v`	`i have a built-in no-jump no-flags no-ffa etc reflex`
`23:34.04`	`fiberchunks`	`I'm loooking forward to how many people switch from straight ffa to hunt the rabbit -- I think it will be many`
`23:34.07`	`david_v`	`hehe :)`
`23:34.12`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`23:34.32`	`david_v`	`what exactly is the rabbit thing about, i haven't been around to follow the discussions`
`23:34.42`	`david_v`	`just try to shoot a tank, and then you are the rabbit?`
`23:34.48`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`23:34.51`	`david_v`	`ah`
`23:34.52`	`doughecka`	`king of the hill`
`23:34.53`	`fiberchunks`	`essentially, whoever has the best ratio is the rabbit, and the others are on a team to kill the rabbit`
`23:35.04`	`fiberchunks`	`and then a new rabbit gets birthed`
`23:35.05`	`fiberchunks`	`etc etc`
`23:35.06`	`david_v`	`k`
`23:35.13`	`fiberchunks`	`it's lots o fun`
`23:35.19`	`david_v`	`i'll keep to ctf :) anyone stays with me? i'll be alone soon lol :)`
`23:35.22`	`learnerAtWork`	`hrmmmm.. birthing of rabbits.. what a mental image`
`23:35.32`	`david_v`	`learner? please :)`
`23:35.44`	`fiberchunks`	`there should be a 'plop' sound when a new rabbit is born`
`23:35.48`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`23:35.56`	`learnerAtWork`	`LOL!!`
`23:36.27`	`david_v`	`well, i like details too :)`
`23:37.08`	`david_v`	`brb`
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`23:37.29`	`david_v`	`(just switched clients)`
`23:37.30`	`fiberchunks`	`the nice thing, imho, about rabbit mode, is that campers won't stand a chance in hell`
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`23:37.32`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`23:37.41`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: hehe`
`23:40.28`	`learnerAtWork`	`yea, it automatically makes everyone focus on who is the current best`
`23:40.42`	`learnerAtWork`	`way practical`
`23:42.21`	`david_v`	`sorry for breaking the topic, but i remind myself about the coming challenges... i will have to boot Windows again`
`23:42.27`	`david_v`	`it hurts, deeply :)`
`23:42.36`	`david_v`	`cya learner`
`23:43.43`	`fiberchunks`	`what challenges are these? and why do you need windows? ;)`
`23:45.11`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: it's tragic... i could commit suicide just thinking about Windows`
`23:45.12`	`captain_proton`	`ooh`
`23:45.18`	`captain_proton`	`the Cg standard lib has a lerp()`
`23:46.13`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: but i won't... Linux backs me up against Windows. supposedly with commands like mke2fs /dev/hdb3 :)`
`23:47.03`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: anyway, it's that i've just started with OpenGL programming and find no other reasonable way than to (sniff, sob) boot Win :)`
`23:47.39`	`patlabor221`	`you don't have the GL libs on linux?`
`23:47.41`	`fiberchunks`	`why? there are oodles of opengl tuts out there for linux..`
`23:47.42`	`david_v`	`also for practical reasons i need to work with Windows binaries... long story`
`23:47.56`	`fiberchunks`	`whatever waves yer flag man; )`
`23:47.56`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: yah, that's not it actually. i need to be developing a Windows program right now`
`23:47.59`	`david_v`	`hehe`
`23:47.59`	`captain_proton`	`bah!`
`23:48.01`	`captain_proton`	`do it in python!`
`23:48.04`	`david_v`	`lol!`
`23:48.05`	`captain_proton`	`opengl for everyone!`
`23:48.16`	`david_v`	`captain_proton: you just made my day ;)`
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`23:48.48`	`david_v`	`fiberchunks: i'd certainly avoid it if i could. the good news is that i'm making this thing portable (well, i hope :)`
`23:48.57`	`patlabor221`	`or just use SDL for the OS stuff then you get a buch of OSs`
`23:49.00`	`david_v`	`OpenGL, OpenAL, gives a good solid layer for OSS`
`23:49.20`	`fiberchunks`	`so does sdl, as herr labor mentioned`
`23:49.24`	`david_v`	`where OSS is OpenSource in this case`
`23:49.30`	`patlabor221`	`SDL rocks`
`23:49.31`	`david_v`	`hm...`
`23:49.52`	`patlabor221`	`I use SDL for all my window set up and event handaling, works on multiple OSs`
`23:49.54`	`david_v`	`this is tricky. isn't OpenGL much more advanced?`
`23:49.58`	`patlabor221`	`enet for UDP`
`23:50.03`	`patlabor221`	`huh?`
`23:50.08`	`david_v`	`than SDL`
`23:50.12`	`patlabor221`	`you just use SDL to get you an openGL context`
`23:50.13`	`fiberchunks`	`no`
`23:50.15`	`david_v`	`ah`
`23:50.16`	`fiberchunks`	`yup`
`23:50.17`	`patlabor221`	`then go to town wiht GL`
`23:50.20`	`patlabor221`	`they are difrent things`
`23:50.27`	`david_v`	`i thought so but i wasn't saying it for some reason`
`23:50.42`	`fiberchunks`	`but it'll handle all your input, sound as well`
`23:50.46`	`patlabor221`	`just make your SDL surface with the SDL_OPENGL`
`23:50.47`	`david_v`	`yea i figured`
`23:50.55`	`patlabor221`	`if you want take a look at the screamers code`
`23:50.56`	`david_v`	`i should see into it`
`23:50.59`	`patlabor221`	`or go the python way`
`23:51.04`	`david_v`	`umm :)`
`23:51.21`	`patlabor221`	`ether way gets you crosplat`
`23:51.26`	`david_v`	`C is shorter to type, sounds like a better language :)`
`23:51.35`	`learnerAtWork`	`it is :)`
`23:51.44`	`patlabor221`	`python is newer`
`23:51.51`	`patlabor221`	`cap and scanline love it`
`23:51.56`	`patlabor221`	`I don't know much about it`
`23:52.19`	`david_v`	`i know nada. i know Perl though`
`23:52.24`	`david_v`	`so Python isn't too far away`
`23:52.30`	`patlabor221`	`nor is C`
`23:52.33`	`david_v`	`but i would never use it for graphics intense apps...`
`23:52.37`	`patlabor221`	`they are all very similar`
`23:52.41`	`patlabor221`	`in syntax`
`23:52.45`	`david_v`	`sure`
`23:52.46`	`patlabor221`	`what are you making?`
`23:52.47`	`david_v`	`PHP too`
`23:52.54`	`david_v`	`well, theoretically a sort of game`
`23:52.58`	`captain_proton`	`python is a bit slow combined to C`
`23:53.00`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`23:53.03`	`captain_proton`	`s/combined/compared`
`23:53.14`	`captain_proton`	`but its really neat to write code that just works outta-the-box on lots of systems`
`23:53.17`	`david_v`	`but my major goal is to learn using SDL /OpenGL /OpenAL`
`23:53.26`	`patlabor221`	`what is going to be "grapicly" intensive?`
`23:53.45`	`david_v`	`captain_proton: true indeed. it certainly has its strong points. but i want to see Python games in the stores ;)`
`23:53.45`	`patlabor221`	`moving objects around the screen?`
`23:54.02`	`captain_proton`	`some games already do use python`
`23:54.04`	`captain_proton`	`for scripting`
`23:54.06`	`david_v`	`maybe this one is not going to be`
`23:54.36`	`david_v`	`i've decided to spare Python anyway`
`23:54.38`	`patlabor221`	`well if you want, grab the Screamers code from cvs on asgard.bakadigital.com, or grab caps python stuff`
`23:54.42`	`patlabor221`	`from bz CVS`
`23:54.48`	`patlabor221`	`they both use SDL and open GL`
`23:54.52`	`patlabor221`	`and work on multi platform`
`23:55.06`	`david_v`	`ok`
`23:55.17`	`david_v`	`thanks`
`23:55.45`	`david_v`	`hm, i was focused on OpenGL. you guys are building a jungle for me :)`
`23:55.59`	`david_v`	`quite a lot of choices`
`23:56.26`	`captain_proton`	`it is a jungle`
`23:56.40`	`captain_proton`	`if you just want opengl, its easy to set up a window with SDL and leave it at that`
`23:56.47`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm... {python\|C\|C++} --> SDL --> opengl`
`23:57.29`	`patlabor221`	`yeah`
`23:57.33`	`david_v`	`captain_proton: i am considering doing something like that just to get started`
`23:57.35`	`patlabor221`	`SDL is also nice for simple events`
`23:57.56`	`patlabor221`	`most of the openGL tutorials on gametutorials.net have been moved to SDL`
`23:58.02`	`david_v`	`what exactly does SDL give besides helping with cross-platform issues and combining audio /video ?`
`23:58.03`	`patlabor221`	`they have some simple ones`
`23:58.09`	`david_v`	`oh`
`23:58.10`	`patlabor221`	`input`
`23:58.14`	`patlabor221`	`joysticks`
`23:58.20`	`david_v`	`ah`
`23:58.25`	`patlabor221`	`base SDL dosn't do audio`
`23:58.31`	`patlabor221`	`SDL mixer, does`
`23:58.36`	`david_v`	`oh yes`
`23:58.40`	`patlabor221`	`or openAL`
`23:58.45`	`fiberchunks`	`nor does it do networking, but sdl_net does`
`23:58.46`	`captain_proton`	`SDL does very basic audio`
`23:58.49`	`patlabor221`	`yeah`
`23:58.52`	`patlabor221`	`but SDLNEt sucks`
`23:58.55`	`patlabor221`	`enet is way cooler`
`23:59.04`	`fiberchunks`	`hey, I'm just mentioning it ;)`
`23:59.11`	`patlabor221`	`ohh yeahit will give you a buffer to the main device`
`23:59.16`	`patlabor221`	`but not to hardware mixing.`
`23:59.18`	`david_v`	`ok calm down please :) i'll have to look this through somehow`
`23:59.37`	`david_v`	`happy to see your support, only it's reaching confusion soon :)`
`23:59.40`	`patlabor221`	`take a look at the tuts, they start realy simple`
`23:59.54`	`david_v`	`patlabor221: i just looked at opengl.org and picked the first tutorial`

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