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| 00:09.20 | Chikorita | woah wut happened |
| 00:09.41 | Chikorita | tis crazee |
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| 00:18.58 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 00:21.08 | Chikorita | hello? |
| 00:21.11 | Chikorita | any1? |
| 00:21.45 | Chikorita | :( |
| 00:53.03 | captain_proton | scanline: enwaken thyself! |
| 00:54.19 | captain_proton | now! |
| 01:24.10 | scanline | captain_proton: yes? |
| 01:25.52 | captain_proton | scanline: you know how we were drooling over the onyx4 yesterday? |
| 01:26.31 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 3 dirs): overhaul picking |
| 01:27.02 | scanline | captain_proton: hmm... so the school bought one? |
| 01:27.07 | captain_proton | not quite |
| 01:27.11 | captain_proton | sgi is donating one to the bp center ^^ |
| 01:27.18 | scanline | ^_^ |
| 01:27.29 | captain_proton | and its the configuration listed on their web site as "extreme" |
| 01:27.39 | scanline | s/hom/him/ |
| 01:27.43 | scanline | woohoo! |
| 01:27.54 | eddienull | what kind of bot is CIA w/ cvs messages? |
| 01:28.05 | fiberchunks | lo |
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| 01:28.18 | scanline | eddienull: it's a CIA bot |
| 01:29.11 | scanline | eddienull: there's info about it in #commits |
| 01:29.16 | captain_proton | scanline: i'm going to make -damn- sure to go to their open house, to try to curry favor |
| 01:29.23 | captain_proton | then a week after that, it comes =) |
| 01:29.26 | fiberchunks | so it has no innate intelligence apart from what it's superiors tell it ;) |
| 01:29.40 | fiberchunks | much like the organization of the same TLA |
| 01:29.44 | captain_proton | hopefully i can get them to recruit me into helping them install it |
| 01:30.12 | scanline | cool |
| 01:31.41 | captain_proton | 4G antialiased polys/s |
| 01:38.29 | fiberchunks | what's new and exciting in the pybzflag world? |
| 01:38.32 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 01:38.46 | captain_proton | we have a widget! |
| 01:38.57 | captain_proton | and for some reason, when i modified the widget, it didn't save the .blend file :( |
| 01:38.59 | fiberchunks | I saw the widget :) |
| 01:39.12 | fiberchunks | or at least the .png of the widget |
| 01:39.29 | scanline | hmm |
| 01:39.35 | scanline | so captain_proton knows some blender now? |
| 01:39.40 | captain_proton | a tiny little bit |
| 01:39.48 | scanline | oh yeah.. I should bug you about how we want to do normals |
| 01:40.10 | captain_proton | normals you say |
| 01:40.16 | fiberchunks | ooooo, and the widget greyness has partial transparency too :) |
| 01:40.18 | scanline | blender's default VRML exporter doesn't save normals.. so we have to calculate them |
| 01:40.25 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 01:40.46 | scanline | I have it doing face normals right now, but it would be good to automatically switch to vertex normals if the angle between faces is small |
| 01:41.28 | scanline | or, we could use a different VRML exporter |
| 01:41.29 | fiberchunks | hrm -- is extra_media pawn not correct now? |
| 01:41.49 | scanline | fiberchunks: it works, but the pawn is really tiny on the model viewer |
| 01:41.59 | scanline | previously I stuck in a glScalef() to make it bigger |
| 01:42.24 | fiberchunks | wow -- really tiny is an understatement :) |
| 01:42.39 | scanline | and you can't zoom in on it really because it hits the near clipping plane |
| 01:42.49 | fiberchunks | yessir, just noticed that |
| 01:43.10 | captain_proton | scanline: did you see my "i can't believe its not truespace" SS? |
| 01:43.22 | scanline | captain_proton: nope |
| 01:43.25 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/truespace.png |
| 01:43.37 | scanline | hehe |
| 01:43.53 | scanline | on that screenshot it looks like you got it doing smooth shading |
| 01:44.02 | captain_proton | nope |
| 01:44.07 | captain_proton | just small enough that it isn't hideous |
| 01:44.31 | scanline | brb, food |
| 01:45.48 | fiberchunks | there's a new PIL ebuild that fixes a bug with 1.1.4 fyi capt_prot. |
| 01:45.58 | fiberchunks | rather, supposedly fixes a bug |
| 01:46.24 | scanline | what sort of bug? |
| 01:46.32 | fiberchunks | a bug with the PIL ebuild |
| 01:46.35 | fiberchunks | for 1.1.4 |
| 01:46.41 | scanline | ah |
| 01:47.25 | captain_proton | odd |
| 01:48.15 | fiberchunks | where's your taste in music scanline ;) |
| 01:48.45 | scanline | I dunno, I must be some sort of freak to hate 4-second looping samples |
| 01:49.45 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:49.53 | doughecka | 4 seconds |
| 01:49.54 | doughecka | ? |
| 01:50.03 | doughecka | comeon, its gotta be longer :) |
| 01:50.08 | scanline | no, it's not |
| 01:50.16 | scanline | it's some sound specific to the world he's in or something |
| 01:50.22 | doughecka | ah |
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| 02:04.06 | fiberchunks | bzgirl> ping |
| 02:04.26 | bzgirl | yes |
| 02:05.01 | fiberchunks | talked to the nanoblogger dude -- he said that he would welcome with open arms more complete docs |
| 02:06.45 | bzgirl | yeah cool, i found out today you can make it run bash stuff...like Last Entry `date` |
| 02:07.01 | fiberchunks | yeah, read that as well :) |
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| 02:15.39 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
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| 02:29.17 | Patlabor221 | got sucked into it again? |
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| 02:29.23 | learner | yup |
| 02:30.09 | learner | yes? |
| 02:30.14 | learner | ah ok |
| 02:30.30 | Patlabor221 | was I not notified of the pokefest? |
| 02:30.48 | learner | no, me looking for people not responding |
| 02:30.50 | Patlabor221 | ayone want to see if this works for them? |
| 02:30.52 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky/2/ |
| 02:30.53 | learner | :( |
| 02:31.17 | learner | negative pat |
| 02:31.19 | scanline | pff |
| 02:31.32 | scanline | MS3DViewerCtl? |
| 02:31.36 | learner | don't have whatever the plugin is |
| 02:31.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah thought it wound't |
| 02:31.50 | doughecka | hm |
| 02:31.51 | Patlabor221 | it's a 3d model viwer |
| 02:31.53 | doughecka | trillian is buggy |
| 02:31.57 | doughecka | http://www.scanline.com/ |
| 02:32.01 | Patlabor221 | probalby windows only :( |
| 02:32.03 | doughecka | thats the link it gave me :) |
| 02:32.07 | scanline | Patlabor221: how about a VRML file? :) |
| 02:32.13 | bzgirl | learner: |
| 02:32.17 | Patlabor221 | gonna try that next |
| 02:33.04 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (sphere.wrl): Add a sphere model, for debugging normals |
| 02:33.24 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hovytanky/2/tanky.wrl |
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| 02:34.12 | scanline | whee, my model viewer sorta-kinda-reads it |
| 02:35.06 | Patlabor221 | vrml dosn't seem to be "all there" does it? |
| 02:35.19 | scanline | oh, i think it's a terrible format |
| 02:35.27 | scanline | but I wrote a vrml parser :) |
| 02:35.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (Viewport.py): Move the near clipping plane closer |
| 02:35.37 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 02:36.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah 3 was a bit far away for a hither plane, but I didn't want to change it for you :) |
| 02:36.51 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/tanky.png |
| 02:37.06 | Patlabor221 | well thats part of :) |
| 02:37.17 | Patlabor221 | I need to find out how to do those shockwave model viewers |
| 02:37.26 | Patlabor221 | thos seem to work on lots of stuff |
| 02:44.01 | orchid | scuse me |
| 02:44.11 | fiberchunks | oooo, go scratch yer foot ;) |
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| 02:45.13 | learner | LOL! |
| 02:45.23 | Chikorita | ! |
| 02:45.34 | Chikorita | :) |
| 02:45.56 | Chikorita | hi learnerAtHome |
| 02:45.59 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 02:47.39 | learner | hi, chikichikislimchikorita |
| 02:48.31 | learner | lol, I just realized the "AtHome" :) |
| 02:49.29 | fiberchunks | hrm -- anyone any opinions on pulpware for blender? |
| 02:50.06 | Chikorita | <<da real slimchiki |
| 02:50.17 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 02:51.05 | Chikorita | my opinion iz.. |
| 02:51.10 | Chikorita | itz not a good idea |
| 02:51.19 | Chikorita | cuz u might break ur blender |
| 02:51.43 | Chikorita | maybee if u add sum wata it wil b ok |
| 02:52.22 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 02:52.31 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 02:53.02 | Chikorita | hi ibot how r u? |
| 02:53.04 | sussudio | ~ur |
| 02:53.05 | | [04:52] [apt!apt@not.leet.org] ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. |
| 02:53.06 | Chikorita | im doin good |
| 02:53.34 | Chikorita | ~shut up sussudio |
| 02:55.21 | bzgirl | get "punch drunk love" |
| 02:55.30 | learner | what's that? |
| 02:55.36 | bzgirl | its a movie |
| 02:55.43 | Patlabor221 | I shall see |
| 02:55.46 | learner | or are you telling him to punch his drunk lover? |
| 02:55.49 | Patlabor221 | mostly I am picking up one I orderd |
| 02:55.55 | Chikorita | lol L |
| 02:55.58 | Patlabor221 | I have a drunk lover? |
| 02:56.03 | Patlabor221 | damn where is she? |
| 02:56.04 | fiberchunks | where? |
| 02:56.04 | learner | cause if you are, that's not nice :) |
| 02:56.14 | learner | lol |
| 02:56.14 | Chikorita | get ghost in a machine :) |
| 02:56.17 | sussudio | Chikorita, the movie critic |
| 02:56.40 | Patlabor221 | you mean ghost in the shell? |
| 02:56.44 | sussudio | "i r reviewing 'punch drunk love' LOLOLOL iz about punchin' and drunkz! and love! rent it ROFL!" |
| 02:56.55 | fiberchunks | deus ex machina |
| 02:56.55 | Chikorita | o yea i mean ghost in a shell |
| 02:57.03 | Chikorita | so u seen it b4 |
| 02:57.13 | Patlabor221 | I own ghost in the shell as well as most of shirow's other works |
| 02:57.16 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 02:57.37 | Patlabor221 | GITS, Dominion, Appleseed, et all... |
| 02:57.39 | Chikorita | leave mee alone susstupido |
| 02:58.12 | Patlabor221 | just add him to your perminant ignore list |
| 02:58.39 | Chikorita | bye pat |
| 02:58.45 | sussudio | Chikorita, hint: "Grammar" does not mean your grandmother |
| 02:59.43 | learner | cya pat |
| 02:59.53 | learner | sussudio, please stop the personal attacks |
| 03:00.08 | fiberchunks | indeed -- it's getting old |
| 03:00.09 | sussudio | attacks? |
| 03:00.18 | captain_proton | sussudio: if you don't like someone, use /ignore |
| 03:00.20 | learner | that is what they are called, yes |
| 03:00.25 | captain_proton | but don't pollute this channel with insults |
| 03:00.28 | sussudio | All i ask is that people make an attempt to speak english in here.... |
| 03:00.43 | scanline | da, checkski |
| 03:00.57 | sussudio | if you're looking for attacks, try the bzbb |
| 03:01.00 | captain_proton | i ask you to be courteous but does that mean you listen? |
| 03:01.14 | Chikorita | ok then what part of Leave me alone dont u understand sussudio? |
| 03:01.34 | sussudio | almost |
| 03:03.04 | Chikorita | jus forget it im leaving |
| 03:03.11 | Chikorita | bye |
| 03:05.02 | learner | that really sucks sussudio |
| 03:05.27 | sussudio | what? |
| 03:05.34 | fiberchunks | being a dick |
| 03:05.36 | fiberchunks | frankly |
| 03:05.57 | sussudio | bull. |
| 03:06.18 | learner | it was uncalled for |
| 03:06.41 | sussudio | i don't see you calling chikorita a dick when it's the other way round |
| 03:07.03 | learner | I don't think she has the proper equipment |
| 03:07.29 | sussudio | avoiding an answer..... |
| 03:08.36 | fiberchunks | I don't see her harassing you on the channel, or rather, instigating harassment on the channel |
| 03:08.58 | learner | you provoked the situation |
| 03:09.13 | learner | due to your personal distaste |
| 03:09.18 | sussudio | selective blindness i'd call that. do you read the bzboard? or anything she says on here? do you go to ducati and see what her and spiff spew towards me? |
| 03:09.22 | fiberchunks | and I'm only referring to this instance, the instance I've seen, personally |
| 03:09.34 | fiberchunks | see above^^^ |
| 03:10.35 | captain_proton | sussudio: i've told you this many times, and i'm only going to repeat it once more. if you don't like someone, use your ignore list. do -not- start crap here |
| 03:10.42 | captain_proton | i'm not going to tolerate it any more |
| 03:12.19 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Tesselate quads into triangles, clean up triangle and normal code in preparation for automatically building vertex normals |
| 03:22.44 | learner | hrm.. infinite loop is bad |
| 03:26.58 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:27.05 | scanline | captain_proton: I think our normals for the pyramids were wrong |
| 03:27.08 | scanline | you forgot to normalize them |
| 03:27.21 | scanline | I added a normalize, and now they're not as bright :) |
| 03:27.55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:28.05 | captain_proton | i think i had a glEnable(GL_NORMALIZE) in the old bzedit =) |
| 03:28.18 | scanline | hehe |
| 03:29.23 | captain_proton | erg! |
| 03:29.33 | captain_proton | there's an article on 3d UIs in the acm, but they want me to buy it |
| 03:30.37 | learner | if you have an ID, I can see if I can dig it up |
| 03:31.33 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 2 dirs): Started a Vector module, now used by VRML and Pyramid |
| 03:33.14 | captain_proton | http://doi.acm.org/10.1145/571758.571765 |
| 03:34.07 | captain_proton | hmm, i thought that the uni had a subscription to it |
| 03:34.12 | bzgirl | ~bzg2 |
| 03:35.09 | captain_proton | aha, they do! |
| 03:35.42 | captain_proton | s |
| 03:41.10 | captain_proton | scanline: if you care to read - this is one on filesystems |
| 03:41.16 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/p16-chin.pdf |
| 03:41.49 | scanline | hmm |
| 03:41.50 | scanline | 404 |
| 03:41.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): Use the new python 2.2 dictionary iterators |
| 03:42.14 | captain_proton | aha, it was waiting for a password |
| 03:42.36 | captain_proton | there now - it kinda sucks :P |
| 03:42.57 | scanline | verboten! |
| 03:44.51 | scanline | bleh, this normal calculation is going to be slow |
| 03:45.10 | scanline | looks to be O(n^2) on the number of triangles |
| 03:45.54 | captain_proton | hrm... |
| 03:45.54 | scanline | of course, if VRML loading is too slow we could have it cache preloaded VRML objects in a pickle |
| 03:46.40 | scanline | that might be more relible than reading the OpenGLContext source :) |
| 03:46.51 | scanline | the big problem with this is that the triangles aren't in any particular order |
| 03:47.15 | scanline | a map from vertex number to all the triangles using that vertex might work |
| 03:47.45 | JBDiGriz | Where would I find the field and stream map? I thought it was on centrum, but I don't see it. |
| 03:48.01 | bzgirl | its on stats.org/worlds |
| 03:48.02 | fiberchunks | try shellshock JBDiGriz |
| 03:50.54 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: I don't see it there, but thanks! |
| 03:51.07 | fiberchunks | sry, your welcome |
| 03:51.20 | learner | heh |
| 03:51.28 | learner | listen to the girl :) |
| 03:51.54 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 03:52.01 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 03:53.29 | fiberchunks | oooo, there IS a desk under all that crufy |
| 03:53.33 | fiberchunks | cruft, even |
| 03:54.20 | learner | oh wait, there's some |
| 03:54.47 | fiberchunks | infinite loops, I believe, count as cruft ;) |
| 03:56.18 | learner | yup, I was sitting on that crufty bit |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | it's also a street in Cupertino |
| 04:02.00 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmm horibly fatening foods ........................ |
| 04:02.39 | learner | yum.. fatening foods.. *drrool* |
| 04:03.12 | captain_proton | argh |
| 04:03.18 | captain_proton | i can't think of anything :( |
| 04:03.23 | scanline | ah yes.. this method works much better |
| 04:03.44 | scanline | I just love how you can use almost anything as a dict key in python |
| 04:03.57 | scanline | I have a dict keyed by a vector :) |
| 04:04.01 | captain_proton | hah |
| 04:04.51 | JBDiGriz | learner: not everything is a typo |
| 04:07.10 | Patlabor221 | well unless I type it |
| 04:07.41 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:07.56 | fiberchunks | what flavor of horribly fattening food is on the menu this eve? |
| 04:10.28 | captain_proton | maybe i should try to think about other parts than editing |
| 04:14.35 | Patlabor221 | In-n-out double double |
| 04:14.52 | fiberchunks | oooo, innout burger? |
| 04:14.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:14.57 | fiberchunks | I wish there was one of those here |
| 04:15.00 | Patlabor221 | it's some goodness |
| 04:17.58 | Patlabor221 | and I am now the owner of Eddie Izzard Dressed to Kill on DVD |
| 04:18.07 | captain_proton | erg |
| 04:18.16 | fiberchunks | nice |
| 04:18.18 | Patlabor221 | as in a unit of energy? |
| 04:18.22 | captain_proton | the closer clip plane causes zbuffer artifacts when viewing the entire scene |
| 04:18.35 | Patlabor221 | what did it move to? |
| 04:18.40 | captain_proton | 0.1 |
| 04:18.40 | Patlabor221 | 3 was a bit too far out there? |
| 04:18.49 | Patlabor221 | you can try 0.5 |
| 04:19.16 | captain_proton | ohh he did 0.01 |
| 04:19.30 | scanline | hey, that chess piece is really tiny |
| 04:19.34 | scanline | :) |
| 04:19.50 | captain_proton | so scale it |
| 04:19.53 | captain_proton | but don't break the rest ;) |
| 04:19.59 | scanline | yeah yeah |
| 04:20.25 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (2 files): fix scanline's naughtiness, make eye separation correct |
| 04:21.25 | scanline | wooo.. my sphere is smooth a little |
| 04:21.35 | scanline | this algorithm still has a bug or two, but it's definitely almost working |
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| 04:21.58 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 04:33.40 | Patlabor221 | hey fiber what is the code to make a HR wider then 1 pixel? |
| 04:34.55 | learner | size=XXX |
| 04:35.08 | learner | you mean, higher, I assume |
| 04:35.09 | Patlabor221 | is the number in "quotes" ? |
| 04:35.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:35.20 | learner | not necessary |
| 04:35.36 | learner | as long as it's not a percentage, unless you are conforming to the xml xhtml spec |
| 04:35.56 | learner | xhtml/xml spec requires it for strict validation iirc |
| 04:36.15 | Patlabor221 | I'm just trying to make a fat HR :) |
| 04:36.23 | learner | heh |
| 04:37.12 | fiberchunks | I think quotes are required around all values for xhtml |
| 04:37.45 | scanline | yes |
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| 04:41.29 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Yay, vertex normal generation seems to work |
| 04:43.07 | fiberchunks | linkage? |
| 04:43.43 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/p16-chin.pdf |
| 04:44.08 | fiberchunks | forbidden |
| 04:44.39 | captain_proton | harumph |
| 04:45.06 | captain_proton | try now |
| 04:45.35 | fiberchunks | got it |
| 04:46.38 | fiberchunks | oooo, I quite like the look of that |
| 04:47.11 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Lookie a __BZFlag checkin: Fix crash with Flags::Null invalid use |
| 04:48.57 | captain_proton | i like it because they don't try to represent the size of directories |
| 04:51.16 | scanline | ha yeah.. that's what really screwed up fsv for me |
| 04:52.10 | fiberchunks | I really like the ability to arbitrarily position folders in depth, rather than x-y position |
| 04:52.19 | fiberchunks | platters, rather |
| 04:54.05 | captain_proton | i don't think its arbitrary |
| 04:54.12 | captain_proton | sounds like depth shows the hierarchy |
| 04:54.30 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 04:55.22 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.23 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:55.23 | MrApathyCream | AttributeError: Ground instance has no attribute 'parent' |
| 04:56.42 | captain_proton | thats...odd |
| 04:57.58 | scanline | captain_proton: have you looked at the new normal stuff? It appears to work fine on the sphere and the cubes, but the widget doesn't look quite right |
| 04:59.38 | fiberchunks | I believe you're correct proton -- interesting that the forward backward motion of the platters won out over up-down in hierarchy |
| 04:59.39 | captain_proton | scanline: i think the issue is that the widget's sphere is so few polys that the ickiness that normally only appears at the terminator shows a lot more |
| 05:00.04 | scanline | captain_proton: well, the sphere looks like I'd expect. The cones though aren't getting smoothed correctly |
| 05:00.11 | scanline | hmm, the pawn looks fine |
| 05:01.54 | scanline | hehe, cute |
| 05:02.00 | scanline | loads a bit slow, but cute |
| 05:02.23 | captain_proton | perhaps the cones have duplicated vertices? |
| 05:02.35 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:03.14 | scanline | no |
| 05:04.03 | captain_proton | scanline: ONYX FOUR! |
| 05:04.06 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 05:04.20 | scanline | hooray |
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| 05:13.08 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Attempt to add picking to modelviewer |
| 05:13.42 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Use repr instead of putting quotes around the result of str |
| 05:14.07 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm trying to add picking to modelviewer so it will give you the name of the mesh you click... but it always returns None |
| 05:16.05 | captain_proton | aha |
| 05:16.12 | captain_proton | you need to set the parent of the drawable |
| 05:16.20 | scanline | ah |
| 05:16.29 | captain_proton | and lemme commit a camera fix |
| 05:16.55 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): load the camera when picking |
| 05:17.04 | scanline | I should add a Scene.addObject function that will take care of that |
| 05:22.32 | scanline | why should modelviewer have to load the camera? |
| 05:22.33 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 3 dirs): Clean up adding scene objects |
| 05:23.33 | captain_proton | oh wait :) |
| 05:24.42 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): yep, that was braindead of me |
| 05:25.32 | captain_proton | still getting None... |
| 05:25.36 | scanline | yep |
| 05:26.11 | captain_proton | wow |
| 05:26.25 | scanline | hm? |
| 05:26.31 | captain_proton | with the combination of me getting used to it and fixing the eyesep, anaglyph doesn't yield headaches nearly as quickly |
| 05:26.42 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:28.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.56 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.57 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:28.59 | captain_proton | ZeroDivisionError: float division |
| 05:29.10 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (modelviewer.py): Nuke unnecessary parenthesis, this isn't C or Lisp |
| 05:29.11 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:29.47 | scanline | should normalize() return zero if you try to normalize a zero vector? |
| 05:29.57 | captain_proton | is that really a div0 on a literal? |
| 05:30.14 | captain_proton | i think it should |
| 05:30.15 | scanline | on a literal? |
| 05:30.23 | captain_proton | return (v[0]/l, v[1]/l, v[2]/l) |
| 05:30.29 | captain_proton | /1? |
| 05:30.34 | scanline | /l |
| 05:30.45 | captain_proton | L or 1? |
| 05:30.48 | scanline | L |
| 05:30.53 | captain_proton | bad font! sit |
| 05:31.41 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Vector.py): Return (0,0,0) on normalizing a zero vector |
| 05:34.40 | scanline | ok, well it seems to be rendering the scene correctly during picking |
| 05:35.18 | scanline | if I comment out the GL_SELECT stuff, the flip the display and pause after doing the pick rendering, I see a very very zoomed image of what I clicked on when I click |
| 05:36.01 | captain_proton | still doing the gluPickMatrix stuff? |
| 05:36.07 | scanline | yes |
| 05:36.18 | scanline | hence the very very zoomed part :) |
| 05:36.26 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:36.32 | scanline | so I guess this means it's not assigning names right? |
| 05:36.38 | captain_proton | likely |
| 05:36.51 | captain_proton | although that doesn't sound right |
| 05:36.57 | captain_proton | since all the name stuff is internal to the scene |
| 05:38.03 | scanline | hrm |
| 05:38.12 | scanline | this curname stuff you have won't work |
| 05:38.46 | scanline | you're incremenenting the name, but it never leaves the render pass function |
| 05:39.06 | captain_proton | works now |
| 05:39.11 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): parent is a function, not a variable |
| 05:39.30 | captain_proton | and re: curname, i beg to differ ;) |
| 05:39.38 | scanline | ah |
| 05:39.48 | scanline | on what grounds to you differ? |
| 05:39.54 | captain_proton | picking works |
| 05:40.01 | scanline | within one rendering pass yes |
| 05:40.10 | scanline | but try clicking on the teleporter field in decks for example |
| 05:40.14 | scanline | sometimes it thinks you clicked a widget |
| 05:40.44 | scanline | I'll just make a PickingState class |
| 05:41.06 | scanline | remember that integers are immutable, so when you +=1'ed it, you created a new int that was never passed back to anything |
| 05:41.27 | captain_proton | oh bleh |
| 05:41.50 | scanline | but this is good, a picker state class will also let us pull out the code for generating a new name |
| 05:43.50 | scanline | oh, another little note |
| 05:44.01 | scanline | when you're testing whether something is None, you can use 'is' instead of '==' |
| 05:44.11 | scanline | None is a singleton |
| 05:44.47 | scanline | but usually you only need to test against none if you need to be able to see the difference between an empty list, zero, and none |
| 05:48.58 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (ThreeDRender.py): Clean up and fixinate picking a bit |
| 05:49.20 | scanline | cool, mesh names |
| 05:49.34 | scanline | guess I should open this back up in blender and give the objects meaningful names :) |
| 05:50.50 | captain_proton | you should also make the other 2 surfaces & turn them greenish blue ;) |
| 05:50.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (VRML.py): Skip unicode conversion if the file is ascii |
| 05:51.04 | scanline | ha, you didn't save the changes? |
| 05:51.11 | captain_proton | i tried to |
| 05:51.14 | captain_proton | but realized it didn't happen :( |
| 05:51.17 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:52.34 | scanline | hmm, what for? |
| 05:52.55 | captain_proton | maybe i'm confused about how all this viewport stuff works |
| 05:53.03 | captain_proton | but for displaying multiple scenes side-by-side |
| 05:53.13 | scanline | ah, you can already do that |
| 05:53.20 | scanline | it's the same stuff the HUD uses |
| 05:53.44 | scanline | look at OpenGLViewport.region() |
| 05:54.09 | scanline | it actually just shallow-copies the current viewport and munges it a bit |
| 05:55.00 | captain_proton | ok, what should i call this view? :) |
| 05:55.12 | captain_proton | StereoView? |
| 05:55.26 | scanline | why do you need to make a new View? |
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| 05:56.00 | captain_proton | sorta |
| 05:56.11 | scanline | oh, right |
| 05:56.16 | scanline | hmm |
| 05:56.22 | scanline | SideBySideStereoViewOfDoom! |
| 05:56.36 | captain_proton | BZFlag just calls it 'stereo' |
| 05:56.38 | captain_proton | =) |
| 05:56.44 | scanline | this should eventually become part of a configurable view doodad though |
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| 06:13.41 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): bzfs doesn't forward MsgPlayerUpdates that are out of order |
| 06:17.40 | captain_proton | wow |
| 06:17.42 | captain_proton | real bzflag work |
| 06:18.22 | MrApathyCream | someone's got to do the ugly work |
| 06:18.33 | scanline | hm.. the 2D translate surfaces on this widget are still 1-sided polygons |
| 06:18.36 | MrApathyCream | all you pretty-boys working on the coolio stuff |
| 06:18.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (2 files): Fixed names and colors in the widget, added a walk surface |
| 06:22.56 | captain_proton | scanline: i checked - with the current code we should be able to get 30fps on just about any map with a 2048x768 display |
| 06:23.21 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:23.24 | scanline | on the onyx? |
| 06:23.28 | captain_proton | yep |
| 06:23.34 | captain_proton | you should do that list of functions thing ;) |
| 06:23.43 | scanline | but but.. display list |
| 06:24.01 | scanline | it's already putting each texture group into a big display list |
| 06:24.26 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:26.49 | scanline | ah.. I can just duplicate the vertices and flip normals |
| 06:26.49 | scanline | cool |
| 06:30.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (2 files): Make arrows smaller, make translate surfaces double-sided |
| 06:30.40 | captain_proton | so for half the viewport, i'd do Layout.Rect(viewport).left(0.5)? |
| 06:30.55 | scanline | should work |
| 06:31.15 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:31.45 | scanline | if you position the widget so the XZ and YZ translate surfaces overlap the XY surface, looks like part of the XY surface doesn't render |
| 06:32.24 | scanline | shouldn't we turn off z-buffer writes for the blended pass? |
| 06:35.05 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 06:38.25 | scanline | hmm |
| 06:38.36 | scanline | we would need to z-sort them for it to actually work right though |
| 06:41.00 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/extra_media (cone.wrl): Adding a cone as another test for the VRML loader. Cones seem to break its vertex normal calculation. |
| 06:44.42 | captain_proton | why z-sort? |
| 06:44.58 | scanline | because the result of blending depends on the order |
| 06:45.11 | captain_proton | hm, i suppose maybe if the colors are different |
| 06:45.14 | captain_proton | except....hrm |
| 06:45.28 | scanline | lets say you have a mostly-opaque red polygon behind a mostly-transparent blue polygon |
| 06:45.38 | scanline | you'd definitely notice if the order was wrong |
| 06:46.11 | scanline | it's not that important in our case, since in any given rendering pass most of our blended polys would have the same color |
| 06:49.50 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.50 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.50 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.50 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:49.50 | captain_proton | AttributeError: Rect instance has no attribute 'onDrawFrame' |
| 06:50.15 | scanline | you want to pass the rect into viewport.region() to get a viewport, not use the rect as a viewport |
| 06:53.01 | captain_proton | well i -think- its working... |
| 06:54.27 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (4 files): well, its an honest-to-gosh stereo display. probably broken, but it looks right |
| 06:55.41 | scanline | whee, cool |
| 06:56.38 | scanline | hmm, I'm not seeing any difference between the two sides |
| 06:58.50 | captain_proton | nope, its not doing it :( |
| 06:59.05 | captain_proton | can i make the children not observe the frame draw? |
| 06:59.07 | scanline | yeah.. I can get stuff awfully close to the camera and it still lines up with the edge in the same way |
| 06:59.08 | captain_proton | and handle it in the parent? |
| 06:59.17 | captain_proton | i just compared it in the gimp |
| 06:59.20 | captain_proton | its not doing stereo |
| 06:59.44 | scanline | hm, you could use the event's replace() method to provide your own handler |
| 06:59.54 | scanline | lemme look at what you're doing now |
| 07:00.12 | captain_proton | i'm doing it all wrong ;) |
| 07:00.30 | scanline | umm... |
| 07:00.32 | scanline | yes, you are :) |
| 07:00.40 | scanline | I think |
| 07:01.00 | scanline | this render() function you're defining never gets called? |
| 07:01.07 | captain_proton | no, i just fixed that |
| 07:01.23 | scanline | k |
| 07:02.55 | captain_proton | at least i think its doing stereo now |
| 07:03.01 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (StereoView.py): hey, thats cute! |
| 07:04.05 | scanline | yikes |
| 07:04.17 | scanline | it's.. yikes... |
| 07:04.26 | scanline | you have the main viewport and the two regions rendering |
| 07:04.41 | scanline | er.. |
| 07:04.46 | scanline | you have the main viewport rendering twice |
| 07:07.04 | captain_proton | ...twice? |
| 07:07.14 | scanline | yes, here's what's happening... |
| 07:07.23 | scanline | you're adding your render handler to onDrawFrame, not replacing anything |
| 07:07.49 | scanline | so.. the render functions work a little weird if you call a region's render function |
| 07:08.15 | scanline | all the viewports under one root share the same renderSequence.. had to do that so that the subviewports wouldn't all try to flip the backbuffer |
| 07:10.17 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:10.22 | captain_proton | i'm not quite sure what you're saying |
| 07:10.29 | captain_proton | if you care to fix it, i'll learn from how you fix ;) |
| 07:10.33 | scanline | I think this needs to happen in onSetupFrame instaed of render |
| 07:10.38 | scanline | I'm trying to fix it |
| 07:11.12 | scanline | actually... |
| 07:11.21 | scanline | this is all far more complicated than it needs to be |
| 07:17.51 | scanline | ok, this seems to be working |
| 07:18.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (StereoView.py): Yay, stereo |
| 07:19.27 | scanline | hmm... I should be able to view this by making the window smaller and crossing my eyes :) |
| 07:19.56 | captain_proton | hahahaha |
| 07:20.20 | scanline | whoa, that's cool |
| 07:20.25 | scanline | stereo with no special equipment |
| 07:21.35 | captain_proton | it worked?? |
| 07:21.40 | scanline | yep |
| 07:22.05 | scanline | has to be postage-stamp-size or so for it to work, but it's pretty neat |
| 07:23.10 | captain_proton | shall have to test it tomorrow at work =D |
| 07:23.16 | scanline | indeed! |
| 07:23.27 | scanline | should I keep the eye separation at 300? :) |
| 07:23.38 | captain_proton | it looked like it was at 12.5? |
| 07:23.46 | captain_proton | oh whoops |
| 07:24.01 | captain_proton | might as well keep it that way for now |
| 07:24.05 | captain_proton | we can tweak it tomorrow |
| 07:24.41 | scanline | it's pretty cool how the views resize correctly with the window |
| 07:24.59 | scanline | have you looked at the functional monstrosity that implements that layout stuff? :) |
| 07:25.47 | captain_proton | nope ;) |
| 07:26.24 | scanline | it has a callable class, abuse of lexical scoping, and abuse of lambda |
| 07:26.27 | scanline | all my favorite things |
| 07:27.14 | scanline | hmm |
| 07:27.23 | scanline | if you sit back a few feet, the eye crossing thing works full-screen |
| 07:28.38 | scanline | the color quality is a lot better |
| 07:28.42 | scanline | though it is headache-inducing |
| 07:34.39 | captain_proton | just imagine what this would look like on a 1600x1280 active display with 16x FSAA... |
| 07:34.49 | scanline | ahh... |
| 07:34.55 | scanline | we'd need better textures :) |
| 07:35.27 | captain_proton | yep |
| 07:35.47 | scanline | did those textures patlabor have end up anywhere? |
| 07:35.50 | scanline | s/have/has/ |
| 07:36.37 | captain_proton | i think so... |
| 07:36.45 | scanline | speaking of ending up places... |
| 07:36.53 | scanline | we should put them screenshots on bzflag.org :) |
| 07:39.06 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/data (caution.png): better teleporter texture |
| 07:40.10 | scanline | wow, that teleporter looks like it's taken a beating |
| 07:40.22 | scanline | now we just need some mud patches in the grass, oil stains, broken boxes :) |
| 07:40.29 | captain_proton | crates! |
| 07:40.33 | scanline | yes! |
| 07:40.47 | scanline | hmm... |
| 07:40.51 | scanline | now that would be cool |
| 07:41.16 | scanline | we could have ways of automatically texturing bzflag maps depending on the size, position, and surroundings of each object |
| 07:41.45 | scanline | long thin boxes that look like bridges could have tread marks going across them, small cubical-ish boxes on the ground could be crates... |
| 07:41.46 | scanline | :) |
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| 07:42.18 | scanline | bah, I scared them away with my insanity |
| 07:42.22 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:42.44 | scanline | would also be neat to have an animated texture for the teleporters |
| 07:42.49 | scanline | maybe the caustics from jetstream :) |
| 07:42.56 | captain_proton | hahaha |
| 07:42.57 | captain_proton | YES! |
| 07:43.22 | captain_proton | you may be insane, but thats a damn fine idea |
| 07:43.24 | scanline | hmm.... |
| 07:43.44 | scanline | maybe we need ways of specifying different texture schemes so we can have 'bzflag classic' and 'bzflag extreme' |
| 07:44.03 | captain_proton | that can happen later |
| 07:44.04 | captain_proton | caustics! |
| 07:44.09 | scanline | okey |
| 07:48.44 | scanline | I think I saw something in pygame for movie loading.. |
| 07:49.36 | scanline | MPEG |
| 07:50.32 | captain_proton | probably uses SMEG |
| 07:50.33 | captain_proton | which is bad |
| 07:50.41 | captain_proton | because i can't do smpeg on the onyx right now |
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| 07:50.51 | learner | PlayerState.cxx:25: prototype for `void* PlayerState::pack(void*) const' does |
| 07:50.52 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:50.52 | learner | ../../include/PlayerState.h:33: candidate is: void* PlayerState::pack(void*) |
| 07:50.54 | learner | make[2]: *** [PlayerState.o] Error 1 |
| 07:50.56 | learner | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 07:51.04 | learner | fyi |
| 07:51.05 | scanline | it's also a pain to encode to, since everybody ignores it now that we have divx |
| 07:51.14 | learner | gnite |
| 07:51.22 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:51.23 | captain_proton | real bzflag? |
| 07:51.25 | captain_proton | whats that? ;) |
| 07:51.31 | learner | lol |
| 07:52.00 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:52.17 | learner | Guido the Python Pimp -- oh yeah |
| 07:53.04 | scanline | captain_proton: so I suppose we're stuck with individual files? |
| 07:54.37 | captain_proton | scanline: yeah |
| 07:54.48 | captain_proton | perhaps should have its own rendering pass |
| 07:54.57 | scanline | why's that? |
| 07:55.11 | captain_proton | because the texture it binds will be different depending on the time |
| 07:55.17 | learner | ah, apparently Dave Brosius brokius it with his commit earlier |
| 07:55.31 | scanline | captain_proton: why would a new rendering pass help? I was just going to subclass Texture |
| 07:55.37 | captain_proton | oh |
| 07:55.39 | captain_proton | that would do it too |
| 07:55.41 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:55.46 | scanline | :) |
| 07:57.27 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:57.34 | captain_proton | this rendering engine has gotten pretty cute |
| 07:57.41 | scanline | indeed |
| 07:57.58 | captain_proton | AnimatedTexture |
| 07:58.15 | scanline | no, the name in the cache and in the drawable's textureName |
| 07:58.16 | captain_proton | =) |
| 07:58.18 | scanline | :) |
| 07:58.32 | scanline | so.. would be nice if it understood things like "caustic%02d.png" |
| 08:01.10 | scanline | sounds like a good idea |
| 08:06.00 | captain_proton | ok, naptime for me |
| 08:06.04 | scanline | g'night |
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| 08:20.30 | bomber | moin |
| 08:21.55 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (35 files in 3 dirs): Animated teleporters |
| 08:49.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI/Drawable (Teleporter.py): Tweaked textures and blending |
| 08:56.32 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/animated_teleporter.png |
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| 09:31.11 | scanline | mornin |
| 09:31.33 | doughecjka | :) |
| 09:32.41 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/images/bzflag/animated_teleporter.png |
| 09:35.09 | doughecjka | ooooooooooh |
| 09:35.12 | doughecjka | pretty |
| 09:35.17 | scanline | animated :) |
| 09:35.25 | doughecjka | cool |
| 10:05.28 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Starting work on a font engine. So far it can allocate space on texture pages and render glyphs to the pages on demand. |
| 11:14.14 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Still needs some tuning for the output to be completely correct, and still lacks blending.. but it's a font engine |
| 11:20.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Refactor frame rate indicator |
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| 11:52.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 2 dirs): Fix blending in GLText |
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| 12:35.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix the alignment and centering errors caused by a bug in the glyph magnification calculation |
| 12:38.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (GLText.py): Fix mipmapping errors by implementing the same gap technique FTGL uses |
| 12:39.20 | scanline | hooray... I declare this font engine working, and it looks to be rendering as well as FTGL, but also supporting Unicode :) |
| 12:39.26 | scanline | time to go to work |
| 12:41.37 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/include (PlayerState.h): fix const issue with PlayerState::pack() |
| 12:46.12 | dheckaman | hey david_v |
| 12:46.17 | dheckaman | I saw mayhem on ET :) |
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| 13:34.48 | david_v | dheckaman: heh, hi. do i know you? |
| 13:35.04 | david_v | brb |
| 13:35.26 | dheckaman | doughecka |
| 13:45.22 | david_v | back |
| 13:45.41 | david_v | oh |
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| 14:46.24 | captain_proton | ohh man |
| 14:46.28 | captain_proton | those caustics are sick and wrong |
| 14:46.32 | captain_proton | and beautiful |
| 14:48.27 | fiberchunks | allo |
| 14:51.13 | learner | someone say caustic? |
| 14:51.42 | captain_proton | learner: look at the teleporters in the 3d view |
| 14:51.47 | captain_proton | stargateesque ;) |
| 14:52.08 | dheckaman | all animated :) |
| 14:55.56 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> do you all have hooks for opening sound? |
| 14:56.01 | fiberchunks | in pybzflag? |
| 14:56.02 | learner | is there a way to move it around yet? |
| 14:56.23 | captain_proton | ...move it around? |
| 14:56.57 | captain_proton | (ctrl|shift|)+right mouse|left mouse |
| 14:57.28 | fiberchunks | cause if you do -- it has issues viewing worlds and what not with a currently open audio device |
| 14:57.48 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: pygame might do stuff internally |
| 14:58.05 | fiberchunks | didn't before this newest snap though -- which is odd |
| 14:58.25 | dheckaman | hah |
| 14:58.35 | captain_proton | learner: so fix the bindings ;) |
| 14:59.15 | fiberchunks | hehe -- those teleporters are bad-ass now :) |
| 14:59.32 | captain_proton | scanline is truly a crazy monkey |
| 15:01.17 | captain_proton | learner: use `http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/decks` as the argument to worldviewer, then use the = key to zoom in to a teleporter |
| 15:02.21 | learner | -shttp://... |
| 15:02.27 | captain_proton | nono |
| 15:02.34 | captain_proton | ./worldviewer.py http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/decks -u3D |
| 15:03.16 | fiberchunks | wow, pygame isn't intelligent enough to handle when the audio device is in use... hrm |
| 15:03.33 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: well - it may be, i'll need to look at some docs |
| 15:04.16 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: what error are you getting? |
| 15:04.25 | learner | quite cool |
| 15:04.37 | learner | going to add that to the c code? |
| 15:04.38 | fiberchunks | ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1078:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Interrupted system call |
| 15:04.38 | fiberchunks | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 15:04.38 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.38 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:04.51 | fiberchunks | that's after having killed worldviewer with ctrl-c |
| 15:04.59 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: only the last few entries in the traceback pls |
| 15:05.11 | captain_proton | so it starts up but complains? |
| 15:05.27 | learner | shame it's such a small repeat, but it _is_ pretty cool |
| 15:05.31 | fiberchunks | no -- doesn't start up at all -- hangs trying to open the audio device |
| 15:05.37 | learner | nice for a water effect |
| 15:06.01 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: ew |
| 15:06.11 | captain_proton | learner: i figured you'd enjoy it the most =) |
| 15:06.37 | fiberchunks | oh, >> File "./BZFlag/UI/Viewport.py", line 94, in __init__ |
| 15:06.37 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:06.37 | fiberchunks | << that's the 'most recent call' |
| 15:07.02 | learner | I wanna see caustics reflecting onto the ground around the portal :) |
| 15:07.17 | captain_proton | learner: that might be possible with decal textures |
| 15:07.46 | learner | perhaps |
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| 15:17.45 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> I was thinking about your UI widgetness -- and I think a good one is a couple of rotation / panning widgets |
| 15:18.30 | fiberchunks | like big arrows in 3space that curve (for rotation about x and y) and a left-right big arrow for pan |
| 15:19.09 | captain_proton | i think for the moment we're probably going to copy truespace's navigation thingy |
| 15:19.21 | fiberchunks | ah -- oh, where's that demo movie? |
| 15:19.38 | captain_proton | someone on caligari.com ;) |
| 15:19.43 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 15:23.23 | fiberchunks | man, their 'magic-ring' widget is neat |
| 15:23.29 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 15:34.06 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/doc (2 files): Update TODO and HACKING with ideas from this morning |
| 15:34.25 | captain_proton | scanline: caustics are beautiful =) |
| 15:35.26 | scanline | morning :) |
| 15:35.34 | scanline | tried fonttest.py? :) |
| 15:35.38 | captain_proton | yep |
| 15:35.56 | scanline | I think they fixed the horrible hinting defaults in SDL_ttf since I used it last |
| 15:36.01 | captain_proton | likely |
| 15:36.08 | scanline | without full font metrics it won't be as memory efficient as FTGL, but it does work |
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| 15:37.05 | captain_proton | we're not really taking the memory-efficient approach here |
| 15:37.17 | scanline | indeed |
| 15:37.29 | scanline | though I tend to value video memory more than system memory |
| 15:37.42 | scanline | at least I can still use GL_INTENSITY4, so the fonts don't use up much VRAM |
| 15:37.53 | scanline | and this font engine should be Unicode-friendly |
| 15:38.00 | captain_proton | heh |
| 15:40.41 | scanline | eep eep! |
| 15:41.15 | scanline | it took an amazingly tiny amount of code to do the caustics |
| 15:41.48 | scanline | and I have an idea to make it even smaller with some new features in Animated |
| 15:48.42 | captain_proton | xyzzy says, "so, the IDE RAID box has two brand new ethernet interfaces on it. so brand new that i haven't found an OS that |
| 15:48.42 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:02.19 | captain_proton | dowdy says, "new acronym: SMCPOSBDS - Super Mega Crappy Piece of Shit Dirk Spec'd" |
| 16:04.45 | captain_proton | patlabor221: did you have those other high-res textures for bz? |
| 16:05.22 | patlabor221 | can't be used, not totaly open |
| 16:05.33 | patlabor221 | only one that can is my TP texture |
| 16:05.49 | captain_proton | damn |
| 16:05.58 | patlabor221 | they didn't allow modification |
| 16:06.18 | patlabor221 | Tim said that wouldn't let them in the debian apt tingy\ |
| 16:06.37 | dheckaman | debian smiedian :) |
| 16:10.09 | patlabor221 | I can post up the 100 meg texture archive and you can go thru it, if you don't mind pybzflag having them. I got full permision from the author to use them |
| 16:10.32 | dheckaman | cant tim make the debian version use the older textures? |
| 16:10.44 | patlabor221 | it would be too much a pain |
| 16:10.53 | dheckaman | hm |
| 16:10.59 | patlabor221 | best thing would be to make these a seperate texture pack that is optional |
| 16:11.11 | dheckaman | yea |
| 16:16.44 | fiberchunks | scanline> does python support something similar to the ?: tertiary operator? |
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| 16:46.12 | prot-work | why is that surprising? |
| 16:46.22 | prot-work | microsoft keeps adding stuff on top of a crufty codebase |
| 16:46.32 | prot-work | so of course its going to get buggier as it gets more complex |
| 16:46.42 | dheckaman | exactly |
| 16:47.07 | dheckaman | thats why there is people still using NT 4 :) |
| 16:47.17 | dheckaman | that and becuase they cant afford 2000 upgrade... |
| 16:47.22 | prot-work | eh, not really |
| 16:47.25 | david_v | :) but things are moving faster now that they are dropping NT support |
| 16:47.38 | prot-work | its because nt4 does exactly what they need, and by upgrading they cause a bunch of downtime/delay |
| 16:47.58 | david_v | true. but it's stable :) |
| 16:48.04 | dheckaman | yea, thats why I am installing NT 4.0 so I can upgrade it to 2003 :) |
| 16:48.12 | david_v | my XP Home is less stable than any NT 4 i've seen |
| 16:48.30 | prot-work | nt4 is stable so long as you use it for what it was designed for |
| 16:48.40 | prot-work | it doesn't support too much tricky hardware |
| 16:48.45 | david_v | i've seen two crashes in NT4, but it was a Mac user who created them ;) |
| 16:49.20 | david_v | tricky hardware is one thing. i don't like either OS, though :) |
| 16:49.45 | david_v | and 2003... hm, i don't get the point of it |
| 16:49.52 | prot-work | 2003 is nice |
| 16:49.58 | david_v | Ballmer nags about "breakthroughs", but i wonder |
| 16:50.02 | prot-work | they made it so it only installs minimal, then you add on packages |
| 16:50.07 | dheckaman | yea, its got all kinds of improvements |
| 16:50.08 | david_v | well that's a plus |
| 16:50.28 | david_v | and after all these years they understand security issues :) |
| 16:50.29 | prot-work | thats really the only "improvement" i've seen |
| 16:50.35 | david_v | aha hehe |
| 16:50.37 | dheckaman | they pushed the number up 3 numbers for instance :) |
| 16:50.44 | david_v | lol |
| 16:51.06 | prot-work | although in their attempt to make windows domains and dns domains the same they made it a pain in the ass |
| 16:51.18 | prot-work | so i have to run a dns server on my domain controller :( |
| 16:51.39 | dheckaman | yea, they should have called it a workgroup controller or something ;) |
| 16:52.01 | prot-work | workgroups are different |
| 16:52.22 | dheckaman | yea, they dont have a central controller |
| 16:52.35 | prot-work | i don't even -use- windows for my day-to-day work and i know more than you? sick |
| 16:52.43 | david_v | lol |
| 16:53.09 | david_v | personally i used to be running Windows all the time. now i run Linux all the time. simply i didn't know about Linux back then |
| 16:55.07 | david_v | :) what distro? |
| 16:55.29 | david_v | Gentoo here, hm. i'm considering rearranging my partitions and trying out Debian again though |
| 16:55.37 | dheckaman | redhat 9 |
| 16:55.48 | david_v | ah |
| 16:55.51 | dheckaman | its actully got a "Add or Remove Packages" thing |
| 16:56.02 | david_v | yeah i know |
| 16:56.04 | dheckaman | scary |
| 16:56.09 | david_v | hehe |
| 16:56.19 | david_v | i've used RedHat 8, but it was too simple for my taste :) |
| 16:56.35 | dheckaman | prot-work: aww be quiet :P |
| 16:56.52 | david_v | in fact there isn't much difference between most major (especially the commercial) distros, if you're rather experienced in Linux |
| 16:56.58 | dheckaman | david_v: yea |
| 16:57.19 | dheckaman | but then again, redhat has things like support from redhat and actual Redhat Certifications |
| 16:57.54 | fiberchunks | only 'real' difference is in package management, imho |
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| 16:58.29 | dheckaman | yea, debian has debs', redhat and mandrake have rpms, gentoo has whatever it has :) |
| 16:58.45 | david_v | dheckaman: yah. personally i'd just like to see something like LSB getting some power. would simplify things |
| 16:58.45 | dheckaman | emerge? |
| 16:58.51 | david_v | yep |
| 16:58.57 | fiberchunks | portage |
| 16:59.04 | david_v | quite nice too, no "dependency !"&/(" |
| 16:59.04 | dheckaman | ah, thats right |
| 16:59.14 | dheckaman | david_v: oh? |
| 16:59.20 | dheckaman | how does that work? |
| 16:59.23 | fiberchunks | indeed |
| 16:59.26 | david_v | yep. you just type "emerge packagename" and it does the work for you |
| 16:59.28 | dheckaman | does it pull what it needs down? |
| 16:59.33 | dheckaman | ah, sweet |
| 16:59.33 | fiberchunks | the .ebuilds handle all dependency checking |
| 16:59.37 | david_v | every package has a list of what packages it needs |
| 16:59.57 | david_v | takes a while to compile though :) |
| 17:00.17 | david_v | dheckaman: what's wrong with it? |
| 17:00.25 | fiberchunks | I've never tried BSD (and therefore the ports system), but I much prefer portage to any .rpm pkg mgr |
| 17:00.26 | dheckaman | rpms suck |
| 17:00.26 | dheckaman | er |
| 17:00.45 | dheckaman | it wont install right, I type in apt-get and it says it cant find it |
| 17:00.48 | fiberchunks | but then again, it's the difference between binaries and from source |
| 17:02.05 | david_v | dheckaman: apt-get apt-get ;) j/k :) hm, never had a problem personally |
| 17:02.10 | fiberchunks | the other good thing about gentoo, (that you don't get with a binary based distro), is the ability to _completely_ customize your compilation environment, and what you compile against |
| 17:02.20 | fiberchunks | with relatively little pain |
| 17:02.21 | david_v | dheckaman: you can try downloading a new package manually from Debian though... |
| 17:03.15 | david_v | true. i still have to learn a few things about that though. sometimes it comes with unwanted decisions, so you have to be a bit careful before letting go of the Enter key :) |
| 17:03.22 | dheckaman | haha |
| 17:03.24 | fiberchunks | indeed :) |
| 17:03.38 | fiberchunks | emerge -pv package is your best friend ;) |
| 17:04.48 | dheckaman | ack, is google down? |
| 17:05.13 | fiberchunks | ~google for foo |
| 17:05.19 | dheckaman | whew |
| 17:05.21 | fiberchunks | no |
| 17:05.22 | dheckaman | use the ip |
| 17:05.23 | dheckaman | 216.239.51.100 |
| 17:06.13 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: ports on FreeBSD are great "cd /usr/ports/games/bzflag"; make" |
| 17:06.29 | JBDiGriz | It pulls everything you need down for you and compiles it all. |
| 17:06.43 | dheckaman | hah |
| 17:06.59 | dheckaman | pretty soon we will have apps that will code the thing from scratch |
| 17:07.22 | JBDiGriz | The IDE's give a pretty good start, especially on the Java apps. |
| 17:07.25 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> yah, that's what I gathered reading comparisons between gentoos portage and BSD's ports |
| 17:08.01 | JBDiGriz | I have a couple of FreeBSD servers at home in addition to the Macs. It simplifies my life! |
| 17:08.24 | dheckaman | the macs or freebsd? :) |
| 17:08.25 | fiberchunks | do you find yourself cron'ng a bunch of stuff? |
| 17:09.07 | JBDiGriz | Most of the stuff I need is already in crontab. I've written a few scripts to through in cron for the backup dialup and some other cleanup. |
| 17:09.17 | JBDiGriz | s/through/throw/ |
| 17:09.19 | dheckaman | hmm, mozilla has bit the dust :) |
| 17:09.35 | fiberchunks | well, I meant more on the order of cron'ng builds that you want to update constantly |
| 17:10.18 | JBDiGriz | I tried that on the server, and it works, but I didn't need the latest and greatest. It was easier to keep it stable since it was just a server. |
| 17:10.30 | fiberchunks | nor do I -- was just curious about what others do / don't do |
| 17:11.14 | fiberchunks | a lot of people in #gentoo recommend a crontab ent for emerge sync; emerge -Up world << that makes me nervous |
| 17:11.18 | JBDiGriz | Right now, I am updating one to become the gateway, it's at V5.1, my current gateway/fileserver is at 4.5, and my backup dialup is at 2.2. |
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| 17:11.50 | JBDiGriz | I need to split the gateway and fileserver machines for a couple of tests I'm working on. |
| 17:12.06 | fiberchunks | emerge sync is fine -- but emerge -Up world? that is silly |
| 17:12.44 | JBDiGriz | It's also a bit dangerous when they update the compiler. |
| 17:13.42 | dheckaman | hah, yea, compiler updates and then no more updates :) |
| 17:13.48 | fiberchunks | or glibc :\ |
| 17:14.36 | JBDiGriz | If I go back to kernel development, I would devote one machine to being updated like that, and keep another for development standby. |
| 17:15.07 | fiberchunks | is there a 'BSD' specific kernel? Mach? /me knows almost nothing about BSD |
| 17:15.14 | dheckaman | aha, sometimes doubleclicking on rpms dont work right |
| 17:15.53 | JBDiGriz | Back in 1978, when we all used V7 Unix, Berkeley took it and developed the Berkeley Software Distribution. |
| 17:16.16 | dheckaman | JBDiGriz: excuse me, "when we?..." :) |
| 17:16.32 | JBDiGriz | That branched and eventually a version became BSD-386. |
| 17:16.55 | fiberchunks | some of us remember 1978 doug ;) |
| 17:17.03 | JBDiGriz | BSD-386 was used as the basis of NetBSD, FreeBSD, and you can still used BSD-386 |
| 17:17.12 | dheckaman | heh |
| 17:17.20 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 17:17.29 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 17:17.30 | JBDiGriz | Mach was a separate project at CMU, under the direction of Rick Rashid. |
| 17:17.52 | JBDiGriz | It was a cool microkernel, but needed the rest of the kernel as well as the user space. |
| 17:18.11 | JBDiGriz | They adopted FreeBSD as one of the personalities on top of Mach. |
| 17:18.11 | fiberchunks | that is what OSx runs on, correct? |
| 17:18.35 | dheckaman | OS X has a mach kernel |
| 17:18.54 | learnerAtWork | a slightly bastardized one |
| 17:19.00 | dheckaman | yea :) |
| 17:19.04 | JBDiGriz | correct, NeXT hired Avi Tevanian, a CMU grad student and put their own personality on Mach. |
| 17:19.34 | JBDiGriz | Apple bought NeXT and used the FreeBSD personality with NeXT changes on top of Mach |
| 17:19.42 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:19.53 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: That's what Rick called them. |
| 17:20.17 | prot-work | scanline: POKE POKE POKE! |
| 17:20.29 | dheckaman | steve jobs started NeXT when he quit/fired, and then when he got hired back, he brought NeXT with him, and built his dream OS... OS X :) |
| 17:20.35 | learnerAtWork | banging on his head worked yesterday, cap |
| 17:20.50 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 17:21.02 | fiberchunks | thx for the history lesson jb :) |
| 17:21.20 | prot-work | ya know, anaglyph is cool, but not -nearly- as cool as polarized passive stereo |
| 17:21.26 | dheckaman | And that is... The Rest of the Story... |
| 17:21.42 | dheckaman | prot-work: :) and color correct also |
| 17:21.48 | prot-work | oh well, i guess scanline is just too busy |
| 17:22.16 | prot-work | well anaglyph is color correct |
| 17:22.19 | prot-work | if a bit eye-poking |
| 17:22.38 | dheckaman | so you have 2 projecters with polerized discs in seperate orientations, and glasses with the same orientation? |
| 17:22.45 | prot-work | yeup |
| 17:22.50 | dheckaman | cool |
| 17:23.03 | JBDiGriz | I think prot-work should change his nick to poke-work. |
| 17:23.08 | prot-work | and the polarization is actually spiral (don't ask me how it works) |
| 17:26.23 | prot-work | hrmph |
| 17:27.55 | JBDiGriz | Try poking it. |
| 17:28.13 | dheckaman | poking allways works |
| 17:28.29 | learnerAtWork | it's just a matter of time |
| 17:29.04 | fiberchunks | usually when prot-work pokes something - he kicks it out of IRC ;) |
| 17:29.13 | dheckaman | hehee |
| 17:29.19 | prot-work | ok, enough playing for now |
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| 17:29.58 | fiberchunks | frim-fram sauce -- louis armstrong and ella fitzgerald -- it gets no better ;) |
| 17:31.24 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: Are you listening to an Internet station? It sounds good! Old jazz and folk! |
| 17:31.57 | fiberchunks | nah -- my hard drive :) |
| 17:32.33 | JBDiGriz | I should update my iPod, and start listening to it again! |
| 17:34.54 | learnerAtWork | ineed ipod |
| 17:37.45 | fiberchunks | yeah, if they weren't 6.8 million dollars, that'd be nice ;) |
| 17:38.36 | learnerAtWork | heh I thought they were 5000 dollars and held 6.8 million songs |
| 17:38.54 | dheckaman | ebay |
| 17:39.45 | JBDiGriz | I bought an iPod when they first came out only 5GB hard drive, but it makes it easier to drag music everywhere! |
| 17:40.14 | fiberchunks | a 20G would suit me fine |
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| 17:50.14 | fiberchunks | speaking of which -- does anyone have any recommendations for an inet radio station(s)? |
| 17:51.07 | JBDiGriz | I've been listening to the classic rock stations, but I haven't found anything which is consistently good. |
| 17:51.47 | fiberchunks | what app do you need to listen to them? |
| 17:51.50 | fiberchunks | realplayer? |
| 17:52.09 | JBDiGriz | realplayer works for most, but I tend to use iTunes. |
| 17:52.15 | fiberchunks | I never listen to inet streams, so it's new to me |
| 17:56.38 | learnerAtWork | i never listened to inet streams until itunes.. |
| 17:56.59 | learnerAtWork | having a whole slew of stations organized at your fingertips is nice |
| 17:58.31 | learnerAtWork | you'd probably be better off using a website directory instead |
| 17:59.02 | fiberchunks | ah, another add to my TODO list ;) |
| 17:59.13 | learnerAtWork | http://shoutcast.com has some goodies |
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| 17:59.33 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 18:00.33 | learnerAtWork | that coupled with win/freeamp and you're set |
| 18:01.53 | prot-work | freeamp? |
| 18:01.56 | learnerAtWork | one of the top stations on shoutcast is somafm (http://www.somafm.com/), they have some really good independant artist music |
| 18:02.17 | fiberchunks | I think it's called liteamp now |
| 18:02.21 | prot-work | xmms? |
| 18:02.40 | fiberchunks | ah, no - freeamp is now called zinf |
| 18:03.03 | patlabor221 | fiber, found this on blender |
| 18:03.04 | patlabor221 | http://linuxfocus.org/English/July2003/article305.shtml |
| 18:03.30 | fiberchunks | right on! thanks much patlabor221 |
| 18:03.37 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 18:03.48 | patlabor221 | it was mentioned on a modleing site I frequent |
| 18:04.15 | learnerAtWork | freeamp was a fork of winamp, iirc, though now called zinf as fiber pointed out |
| 18:04.17 | fiberchunks | there's a blender user manual avail for free -- but it's not yet complete |
| 18:05.41 | fiberchunks | hey patlabor221, can you explain to me, why a face, designed to look real good in 3d mode, gets all screwy in perspective mode? |
| 18:06.06 | patlabor221 | 3d mode dosn't have perspecitve?!?!?! |
| 18:06.19 | fiberchunks | well, lemme see if I can find the tut that showed me this |
| 18:06.24 | patlabor221 | is it an ortho 3d mode? |
| 18:06.52 | patlabor221 | perspective will allways change how a model looks. you may need to set the FOV in blender to get a more natural view |
| 18:07.19 | patlabor221 | you sure you just don't want lighwave :) |
| 18:08.50 | prot-work | but blender vrml works in pybzflag ;) |
| 18:08.59 | prot-work | hrm...i should write a modelviewer that works in stereo |
| 18:08.59 | patlabor221 | icky vrml |
| 18:09.09 | patlabor221 | just do obj |
| 18:09.46 | prot-work | obj doesn't provide what we need |
| 18:09.48 | fiberchunks | shoot, I can't find it |
| 18:09.59 | patlabor221 | and that is? |
| 18:13.47 | patlabor221 | VRML 1 or 2? |
| 18:15.57 | prot-work | multiple objects, with names and relative transformations |
| 18:17.26 | patlabor221 | ahh the tranfroms |
| 18:17.33 | patlabor221 | obj can do the named objects |
| 18:21.12 | prot-work | and blender has vrml support built in |
| 18:21.55 | patlabor221 | built in or just a plugin that ships? |
| 18:22.20 | prot-work | built in |
| 18:22.30 | patlabor221 | coo |
| 18:23.03 | patlabor221 | they have soem VRML in/out plugins for lightwave |
| 18:24.57 | patlabor221 | one ships with the layout tool |
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| 18:26.32 | patlabor221 | http:/www.bakadigital.com/unnamed.wrl |
| 18:26.35 | patlabor221 | does that read? |
| 18:26.51 | prot-work | i'm not on a machine that i can run it at the moment |
| 18:26.56 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 18:26.57 | prot-work | check for yourself - modelviewer.py |
| 18:26.59 | patlabor221 | yeah work |
| 18:27.01 | patlabor221 | :) |
| 18:27.10 | patlabor221 | I gots no python on this machine |
| 18:27.16 | patlabor221 | I'm on a test station |
| 18:27.19 | prot-work | oh |
| 18:27.38 | patlabor221 | I'll be back at my desk in a bit |
| 18:31.45 | patlabor221 | naw it did n't like it :( |
| 18:31.47 | patlabor221 | parse error |
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| 18:35.21 | patlabor221 | got it to not geek on loading but it dosn't draw, probalby dosn't like quads and polys |
| 18:36.04 | prot-work | could be you need to zoom in a lot |
| 18:36.14 | prot-work | some models tend to be really small |
| 18:36.22 | patlabor221 | maybe |
| 18:36.41 | patlabor221 | seems there are many options for VRML |
| 18:36.56 | patlabor221 | your parser dosnt' seem to like "object prototypes" |
| 18:37.00 | prot-work | i think atm we only support a subset |
| 18:37.08 | prot-work | specifically, that which blender uses =) |
| 18:44.57 | learnerAtWork | bzg has some sweet tunes |
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| 19:51.40 | anacondaac | oh, hello asdf |
| 19:55.50 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: its like crack to you, isn't it? |
| 19:56.03 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 19:56.04 | fiberchunks | seems that way, doesn't it |
| 19:56.09 | JBDiGriz | except that he doesn't shove them up his nose! |
| 19:56.35 | JBDiGriz | or smoke them |
| 19:56.49 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: are you sure? |
| 19:57.07 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: Are you pouring that drink up your nose? |
| 19:57.51 | learnerAtWork | :) I don't freebase it |
| 19:58.24 | fiberchunks | liar ;) |
| 19:58.31 | JBDiGriz | I'm drinking Coke here, it's not going anywhere near my nose! <ouch> |
| 19:58.41 | learnerAtWork | cap, you sounds much more religous on your mornin cup of coffees :) |
| 19:59.01 | learnerAtWork | careful not to snort that stuff you your nose.. that _would_ hurt :) |
| 19:59.28 | JBDiGriz | It helps him until he sets up the caffeine IV for the rest of the day. |
| 20:00.01 | prot-work | hehe |
| 20:00.12 | prot-work | yeah, i need my coffee |
| 20:01.07 | learnerAtWork | jb, penguin mints go *really* well with coke :) |
| 20:01.43 | JBDiGriz | Note, no upper case 'c', which one does he mean? |
| 20:01.45 | learnerAtWork | plop two in, and you've got a good cup of coffee |
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| 20:02.11 | JBDiGriz | I'm starting to agree with prot-work |
| 20:02.54 | prot-work | hehe |
| 20:03.39 | learnerAtWork | I just had to listen to "X is not suitable for Y" as a *requirement* in a requirements document.. |
| 20:04.12 | learnerAtWork | I need a little caffeine buzz |
| 20:04.28 | Quol_AtWork | hello all |
| 20:04.37 | learnerAtWork | howdy quol |
| 20:04.47 | fiberchunks | documents are speaking to you now? I definitely know which one he means JBDiGriz ;) |
| 20:04.54 | fiberchunks | 'lo |
| 20:04.57 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: Sounds like the marketing types need some retraining about "requirements" |
| 20:05.03 | learnerAtWork | lol, fiberchunks |
| 20:05.20 | learnerAtWork | they're "analysts" |
| 20:05.58 | JBDiGriz | Good marketing people are supposed to be "analysts". Usually they're failed salespeople. |
| 20:06.19 | learnerAtWork | I think that's the first time I've seen a "statement" as a requirement, i'd like to see how that is traced back to implementation.. |
| 20:06.54 | fiberchunks | I am more accustomed to X _shall_ NF<foobar> do thus and such ... |
| 20:07.05 | learnerAtWork | exactly.. :) |
| 20:07.31 | fiberchunks | or, X shall not NFfoo be used in conjunction with Y |
| 20:07.32 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 20:08.11 | fiberchunks | but that's silly to make a reqid from a thing that shouldn't happen anyway -- although knowing the gubbernment, it don't surprise me :) |
| 20:08.22 | learnerAtWork | and the poor souls, bless their little hearts, spent almost a year on this document.. |
| 20:08.51 | fiberchunks | toss them a carrot and get back to work :) |
| 20:09.11 | fiberchunks | and pat them on the head for good measure |
| 20:09.13 | JBDiGriz | Just remember to sharpen the carrot, and throw it hard! ;{) |
| 20:09.21 | learnerAtWork | lol, jb |
| 20:09.47 | JBDiGriz | Projectiles have always been an important part of every major project I've worked on! |
| 20:09.58 | learnerAtWork | cya, fiberchunks |
| 20:10.08 | Quol_AtWork | cay fiber |
| 20:10.35 | Quol_AtWork | almost time to go home - how much time can I kill :) |
| 20:11.01 | JBDiGriz | You've already signed on to IRC, that's good for lots of wasted time. |
| 20:11.16 | Quol_AtWork | That's why I did it |
| 20:11.30 | Quol_AtWork | I have so much work to do - that I am denying that it exists |
| 20:11.39 | Quol_AtWork | in hopes that it will all just go away :) |
| 20:11.40 | learnerAtWork | hrm.. that sounds familiar |
| 20:11.57 | JBDiGriz | It works most of the time. |
| 20:12.16 | Quol_AtWork | :) |
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| 20:12.34 | Quol_AtWork | hey BZG |
| 20:12.44 | bzgirl | hello |
| 20:12.57 | Quol_AtWork | BZG: how are ya? |
| 20:13.00 | david_v | hi bzgirl |
| 20:13.35 | bzgirl | Quol_AtWork: not bad :) |
| 20:13.42 | Quol_AtWork | bzgirl: you mess around with chroot on debian yet for bzfs? |
| 20:13.54 | bzgirl | no not yet |
| 20:14.05 | Quol_AtWork | ok - just wondering |
| 20:14.08 | bzgirl | its on the list of "todo" though |
| 20:14.24 | Quol_AtWork | lol - if it's like mine it won't get done for a while :) |
| 20:14.25 | david_v | chroot is quite cool. used that to rescue my boot sector once |
| 20:14.41 | david_v | strike that "quite" :) |
| 20:15.00 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: you there? |
| 20:15.19 | learnerAtWork | he went to play pool |
| 20:15.19 | Quol_AtWork | bzgirl - I think he went away from his PC... |
| 20:15.24 | scanline | fiberchunks: python has no ternary operator, I think guido declared it too ugly |
| 20:15.29 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 20:15.40 | scanline | captain_proton: If only I had access to a computer more while I'm at work :) |
| 20:20.42 | anacondaac | hi bzg |
| 20:21.04 | bzgirl | hey anacondaac! |
| 20:21.16 | anacondaac | how are you? |
| 20:21.26 | bzgirl | oh good thanks |
| 20:21.38 | anacondaac | already played today? |
| 20:21.39 | bzgirl | i see your playing a fair bit lately |
| 20:21.51 | bzgirl | i played for ten minutes |
| 20:21.54 | anacondaac | yeah. but i really shouldn't |
| 20:22.04 | bzgirl | then my mouse freaked out and locked up again :( |
| 20:22.47 | anacondaac | no! so you need a new mouse that let you play bzflag in peace;-) |
| 20:23.35 | doughecjka | hey bzgirl anacondaac |
| 20:23.44 | anacondaac | nhi dough |
| 20:23.51 | bzgirl | hi doug |
| 20:23.54 | anacondaac | :)))) -> n |
| 20:24.03 | doughecjka | nlol |
| 20:24.03 | doughecjka | :P |
| 20:24.04 | bzgirl | i use a logitech trackball |
| 20:24.07 | doughecjka | eww |
| 20:24.13 | doughecjka | trackball |
| 20:24.29 | learnerAtWork | the old one or one of the new ones? |
| 20:24.30 | anacondaac | a trackball? |
| 20:24.42 | learnerAtWork | yup |
| 20:24.57 | bzgirl | whats wrong with trackballs? |
| 20:25.02 | anacondaac | well, it seems to work;-))))) |
| 20:25.11 | anacondaac | at least for bzgirl |
| 20:25.36 | anacondaac | i can't imagine playing bzflag with a trackball... |
| 20:26.05 | doughecjka | I use optical mice |
| 20:26.13 | anacondaac | me to |
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| 21:20.01 | fiberchunks | for a moment I'm back -- what's up bzgirl |
| 21:20.06 | fiberchunks | and thx scanline |
| 21:20.43 | scanline | hiya |
| 21:23.26 | fiberchunks | hey -- no ternary operator -- phoot :\ |
| 21:24.15 | prot-work | woobup |
| 21:29.29 | prot-work | scanline: if you have time, you should look at the error its getting |
| 21:31.13 | scanline | we're about to use a UV eprom eraser to trest a light sensor :) |
| 21:31.19 | scanline | er, test |
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| 21:31.33 | prot-work | scanline: well - sometime today, preferably |
| 21:33.20 | scanline | whato srot of error |
| 21:33.29 | scanline | er you know what I mean |
| 21:33.38 | prot-work | the blend enum thingy |
| 21:33.44 | scanline | ahh |
| 21:35.09 | scanline | maybe I could leave 30 min early and bug you |
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| 22:03.40 | scanline | wowwor, it got late fast |
| 22:03.45 | scanline | er, wor |
| 22:04.00 | scanline | s/(wor)+/wow/ |
| 22:05.54 | prot-work | yay for babylonia not being lagged |
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| 22:11.58 | niksie | Hello |
| 22:12.12 | niksie | whats new in CVS? |
| 22:12.52 | scanline | bunnies! |
| 22:12.57 | scanline | wow, navi isn't lagged any more |
| 22:13.39 | scanline | prot-work: I think pybzflag needs to usurp some of jetstream's nanobunnies technology |
| 22:14.34 | prot-work | hm, perhaps |
| 22:15.15 | scanline | prot-work: looks like I'm going to be able to leave a bit early to come help you |
| 22:15.27 | prot-work | neato - 4:30? |
| 22:15.38 | scanline | something like that |
| 22:15.50 | prot-work | i'll try to get it running down here |
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| 22:19.35 | scanline | are you downstairs or upstairs? |
| 22:20.25 | prot-work | downstairs |
| 22:20.44 | scanline | k] |
| 22:20.47 | scanline | er |
| 22:20.48 | scanline | pfft |
| 22:23.53 | scanline | ok, I'm on my way |
| 22:27.55 | Merry | On my way where? |
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| 22:28.05 | Merry | Hey BZG! |
| 22:28.16 | bzgirl | hi Merry |
| 22:29.45 | learnerAtWork | hi merry :) |
| 22:38.33 | Merry | hi learner |
| 22:38.54 | learnerAtWork | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:09.14 | learnerAtWork | ~d |
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| 23:36.09 | captain_proton | yay i'm back |
| 23:37.48 | learnerAtWork | boo i'm not |
| 23:38.01 | captain_proton | well whose fault is taht? |
| 23:38.05 | learnerAtWork | yours |
| 23:38.12 | captain_proton | hmm, another CGW magically showed up in my mailbox |
| 23:38.35 | captain_proton | grrr |
| 23:38.40 | captain_proton | i so wish i could attend siggraph :( |
| 23:38.55 | learnerAtWork | :P hehehe |
| 23:39.06 | learnerAtWork | I'll irc in from there and tell you all about it :) |
| 23:40.38 | learnerAtWork | maybe I'll take my camera along too so you can get some video |
| 23:41.11 | learnerAtWork | pretty sure I can't use it in the classrooms, theater, or expo floor |
| 23:41.31 | captain_proton | yeah, probably the case |
| 23:41.38 | learnerAtWork | but you could see a lot of geeks walking around |
| 23:42.33 | learnerAtWork | hey you get the onyx4, I wouldn't trade you -- but that's a good deal too :) |
| 23:42.55 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 23:48.08 | david_v | hm, two new very severe security issues in Windows have just been announced |
| 23:48.31 | learnerAtWork | yippie |
| 23:48.41 | david_v | yes isn't it nice |
| 23:48.51 | david_v | Linux can't possibly keep up with this tempo :) |
| 23:49.20 | david_v | but to be fair there are a whole lot of patches for Linux as well |
