| 00:12.35 | *** part/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 00:13.10 | *** join/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 00:19.06 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 00:20.16 | learner | hehe, we're in sync today, cap |
| 00:25.36 | captain_proton | >:) |
| 00:26.48 | learner | what does it use now? bzfrand()? |
| 00:27.42 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-107-100.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 00:27.42 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:28.33 | learner | I notices bzfrand uses rand, which is really lame, but then this _is_ only a game |
| 00:28.45 | learner | :? |
| 00:28.48 | captain_proton | looks like it just iterates over the flags in order |
| 00:28.53 | captain_proton | no randomness at all |
| 00:28.58 | learner | ew |
| 00:29.23 | larsl_56k | Yes, it just iterates. I added a check for team flags, but it's still ugly. =P |
| 00:30.15 | sussudio | Primus is sorta odd. |
| 00:31.12 | learner | sound good to me, cap |
| 00:31.13 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~sgi-tank@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:31.21 | SGI | hi |
| 00:31.37 | larsl_56k | =) |
| 00:31.43 | learner | heheheh.. ah.. okay :) |
| 00:32.10 | learner | I'll keep it in mind when I finish what I'm working on now ;) |
| 00:32.19 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): move locale to bzdb |
| 00:32.26 | learner | unless someone beats me to it |
| 00:34.56 | TimRiker | I noticed today that the g2 rpms don't have locale files included. |
| 00:35.15 | larsl_56k | Ouch. |
| 00:35.28 | larsl_56k | I wonder if someone else has noticed yet. =) |
| 00:37.09 | larsl_56k | captain_proton: On SGI's STL page it says that std::random_sample is a SGI extension and not part of the standard, is that old? |
| 00:37.54 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: hmm, could be |
| 00:38.02 | captain_proton | sgi extensions tend to become the standard |
| 00:39.02 | learner | ~google random_sample std |
| 00:39.24 | learner | ibot die |
| 00:39.24 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 00:39.49 | sussudio | ~eat learner |
| 00:39.50 | | ACTION eats learner and falls over dead |
| 00:39.59 | sussudio | ~google for random_sample std |
| 00:40.02 | sussudio | :-| |
| 00:40.23 | learner | ibot is not helpful |
| 00:40.24 | | learner: are you using Windows? |
| 00:40.26 | sussudio | where it's at? |
| 00:40.27 | *** join/#bzflag Legolas (~Legolas@adsl-68-73-89-127.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) |
| 00:41.00 | captain_proton | http://sgi.com/tech/stl/random_sample.html |
| 00:42.03 | captain_proton | if windows,etc don't have it, one possibility is to distrib algo.h |
| 00:42.03 | larsl_56k | It doesn't seem to be in the standard (at least not in august 2002): http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2002-08/msg01160.html |
| 00:42.22 | larsl_56k | Although libstdc++ seems to have it in another namespace. |
| 00:42.49 | learner | appears as though gcc supports it, but I'd be surprised if windows did |
| 00:43.14 | captain_proton | looks like its in __gnu_cxx |
| 00:43.14 | learner | s/gcc/gnu/ |
| 00:43.36 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 00:43.38 | captain_proton | -zoom is haunted |
| 00:43.47 | larsl_56k | -window too. |
| 00:43.49 | captain_proton | i moved it all to bzdb, yet somehow its still writing to the old config |
| 00:43.58 | larsl_56k | It crashes sometimes on debug clients. |
| 00:44.20 | captain_proton | -zoom also makes it move really freakin slow |
| 00:45.47 | learner | wrapping drand48() and/or rand() (for everyone else) into a class would probably be the simpliest way to get better random numbers, perhaps define support for std::sets, etc |
| 00:46.02 | SGI | bye |
| 00:46.06 | learner | bye |
| 00:46.25 | SGI | Patlabor221 ,,,I found the program for the license |
| 00:46.43 | SGI | sourceforge |
| 00:46.49 | SGI | bye bye |
| 00:46.52 | SGI | match |
| 00:47.11 | Patlabor221 | huh, who what where how, and for how many cookies? |
| 00:47.34 | SGI | deleted cookies |
| 00:47.51 | Patlabor221 | damn, I'll bet they had sprinkles too |
| 00:48.00 | SGI | the program is NSIS |
| 00:48.14 | Patlabor221 | that is the installer we use for BZ |
| 00:48.24 | Patlabor221 | and other stuff |
| 00:48.25 | SGI | yes |
| 00:48.30 | Patlabor221 | NSIS rocks |
| 00:48.36 | SGI | NSIS workbench |
| 00:48.43 | Patlabor221 | we only use 1.9x |
| 00:48.47 | Patlabor221 | not the new 2.x stuff |
| 00:48.52 | Patlabor221 | no IDE just a text file |
| 00:48.55 | SGI | I have the new |
| 00:49.02 | SGI | nnow I need to learn |
| 00:49.21 | captain_proton | erg |
| 00:49.25 | captain_proton | this is really creepy |
| 00:49.33 | SGI | ntalk you later |
| 00:49.49 | SGI | legolas waiting for a match |
| 00:49.52 | SGI | bye |
| 00:50.00 | *** part/#bzflag SGI (~sgi-tank@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 00:55.59 | captain_proton | erg |
| 00:56.03 | captain_proton | tupone broke the client build |
| 00:56.56 | sussudio | bad tupone! can't have any pot pie! |
| 00:57.08 | captain_proton | i do wish he'd stop trying to "fix" the configure stuff |
| 00:57.37 | Patlabor221 | so tell him |
| 01:06.15 | doughecka | where did tupone come from? he just showed up one day |
| 01:07.21 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (configure.in): unbreak the client build |
| 01:10.38 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-79.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 01:10.59 | MrApathyCream | nice job, scans |
| 01:11.21 | sussudio | MrApathyCream: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/mac.jpg |
| 01:12.29 | MrApathyCream | wow, where'd you dredge up that old picture... must be 10 years ago |
| 01:12.41 | sussudio | yup. |
| 01:12.54 | doughecka | MrApathyCream: that you? |
| 01:13.10 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 01:13.15 | sussudio | :-P |
| 01:13.16 | sussudio | http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/space/spaceguide/skyatnight/patrickmoore.shtml |
| 01:13.51 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 01:15.28 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/timr-christ.jpg |
| 01:16.18 | doughecka | TimRiker: gah, my eyes! |
| 01:16.25 | MrApathyCream | ah, here it is |
| 01:16.25 | TimRiker | heh |
| 01:16.26 | MrApathyCream | http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/MAC.jpg |
| 01:16.49 | doughecka | hahahaha |
| 01:18.08 | MrApathyCream | hmm, where'd i put that pic of tim & brother bill? |
| 01:21.56 | sussudio | ack! i sucked up some big black insect thing with my vacuumcleaner and it crawled back out! |
| 01:22.41 | doughecka | you sure its an insect? :P |
| 01:23.13 | sussudio | it looked like a miniature version of the thing from "Alien" |
| 01:23.24 | doughecka | ack, run! |
| 01:23.39 | sussudio | load "$",8,1 |
| 01:23.40 | sussudio | run |
| 01:23.45 | doughecka | well, at least he took my advice |
| 01:23.53 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (ChangeLog): ChangeLog for FlagDescs |
| 01:33.22 | *** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com) |
| 01:46.20 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 01:46.25 | captain_proton | so i move geometry to bzdb |
| 01:46.36 | captain_proton | and now the window manager does a div0 starting with a geo |
| 01:49.52 | captain_proton | yay |
| 01:50.02 | MrApathyCream | nice job, scans |
| 01:50.02 | sussudio | woot? |
| 01:50.04 | captain_proton | scanline: our little feathered friend revised his responses on linuxfund =) |
| 01:50.04 | scanline | so, anything explode while I was gone? |
| 01:50.10 | scanline | MrApathyCream: hehe, same to you :) |
| 01:50.17 | captain_proton | only that -geometry is haunted |
| 01:51.53 | MrApathyCream | wow browse cvs is really laggin |
| 01:51.56 | scanline | "I accept patches from anyone (as long as they arnt flawed in some way.)" <-- the person or the patches? |
| 01:52.10 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 01:54.08 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Don't add Null or Team flags to allowedFlags, also convert to vector, map not needed, and easier to do random |
| 01:55.15 | learner | heh, does that mean that nobody will be able to capture flag because it's not "allowed"? :) |
| 01:55.38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 01:55.43 | scanline | it will mean that if the server has team flags the client doesn't know about, the client won't get an error |
| 01:55.44 | MrApathyCream | it means there will only be one |
| 01:55.53 | learner | hmm.. MAC, bzfls hasn't been borked in a while -- you could work on that |
| 01:55.56 | scanline | so, anyone thought about the possibility of multiple team flags? :) |
| 01:56.20 | MrApathyCream | scanline, no this vector is just for spitting out random flags |
| 01:56.31 | learner | we need better flag management.. |
| 01:56.34 | scanline | MrApathyCream: ah |
| 01:56.40 | learner | this is bz_flag_ after all .. |
| 01:56.41 | scanline | learner: that's what we just did! :P |
| 01:56.43 | captain_proton | scanline: thats a good question :) |
| 01:56.59 | learner | scanline: I know.. I'm just jesting |
| 01:57.00 | MrApathyCream | where you have to capture all of them to get a point? |
| 01:57.01 | scanline | learner: and anyway, I still want my BZFlag RPG |
| 01:57.15 | captain_proton | but obviously scanline, it must be the patch |
| 01:57.27 | captain_proton | because i'm flawed, due to the fact that i think bzflag doesn't suck |
| 01:57.38 | scanline | ah, true |
| 01:57.38 | captain_proton | by the way everyone |
| 01:57.41 | captain_proton | apparently bzflag sucks |
| 01:57.46 | learner | eh? |
| 01:57.49 | scanline | :'-( |
| 01:57.52 | MrApathyCream | Proclamation of RCAM? |
| 01:57.53 | learner | you LIE! |
| 01:58.00 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: almost as good |
| 01:58.05 | captain_proton | proclamation of diablo-d3 |
| 01:58.09 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 01:58.16 | sussudio | ~google for diablo-d3 |
| 01:58.19 | learner | ah, mr all might devil himself |
| 01:58.43 | MrApathyCream | king of the dreaded bot checkin bug |
| 01:58.44 | learner | can't find a freaking bot, and he complains about bzflag.. sheesh |
| 01:59.14 | sussudio | hah. |
| 01:59.23 | sussudio | "Caught trolling on the freenode network. Possibly the same user as "Vampire_Banana" or one of his trolling buddies." |
| 02:00.24 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 02:01.00 | *** join/#bzflag SGI (~sgi-tank@pcp01642968pcs.sothfd01.mi.comcast.net) |
| 02:01.00 | learner | bzfs.cxx: In function `void randomFlag(int)': |
| 02:01.00 | learner | bzfs.cxx:3448: warning: initialization to `int' from `float' |
| 02:01.00 | learner | bzfs.cxx:3448: warning: argument to `int' from `float' |
| 02:01.10 | MrApathyCream | otay, ya ya |
| 02:03.20 | MrApathyCream | what'ya say we starting messaging the lists about how bzflag seems stable enough now to release, and see if we can give Chestal a coronary? |
| 02:03.36 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:03.38 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 02:03.55 | captain_proton | especially with our great hybrid-config |
| 02:04.22 | scanline | no, wait, I need to make it so you can send new worlds in the middle of the game first! |
| 02:04.29 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): fix float->int prob |
| 02:04.40 | scanline | that will open the door to BzRPG and the Multiplexing Teleportation Server of Doom |
| 02:04.59 | MrApathyCream | (TM) |
| 02:05.32 | scanline | hmm... EverTank could be possible |
| 02:05.51 | MrApathyCream | hmm, you'd have to squelch outbound messages to other players not in your world, but could be done |
| 02:06.24 | scanline | you could sort of scroll the world as the player moves through it |
| 02:06.42 | scanline | you'd just need a way to move the player by some relative distance at the exact time the new world loads |
| 02:06.54 | learner | will theere be goblins and trolls, scanline? |
| 02:07.07 | scanline | bunnies |
| 02:07.26 | learner | heh.. the enigmatic horrible dungeon of ... bunnies |
| 02:07.49 | sussudio | we need a holy grenade flag then. |
| 02:08.15 | learner | flamethrower.. I need a flamethrower |
| 02:08.28 | doughecka | and a cheese shop |
| 02:08.49 | sussudio | @mp3 (Moloko)_[14]_Killa_Bunnies.mp3 (3,366,162 bytes 192kbps Joint Stereo 2mins 21secs Genre:Electronic Year:1993 Album:Do You Like My Tight Sweater? |
| 02:09.20 | learner | I was going to secretly yank them.. but yes.. asking the fist is a good alternative |
| 02:09.35 | sussudio | http://www.inlyrics.com/display/Moloko_Lyrics/Killa_Bunnies_Lyrics/59081.htm |
| 02:09.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: in case you didn't hear, TimRiker wants to wait a while before adding anything else so we can beat this back into shape |
| 02:09.53 | MrApathyCream | how safe of him |
| 02:09.53 | scanline | yanking == adding? |
| 02:09.55 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 02:10.17 | MrApathyCream | haha |
| 02:10.19 | TimRiker | hehe |
| 02:10.23 | TimRiker | nite |
| 02:10.23 | scanline | o:-) |
| 02:10.32 | captain_proton | what |
| 02:10.38 | captain_proton | is he actually going home to spend time with his family? |
| 02:10.44 | MrApathyCream | shame on him |
| 02:10.58 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 02:11.07 | KR | hi all |
| 02:11.15 | MrApathyCream | hey KR |
| 02:11.56 | MrApathyCream | scanline: yanking == adding? ah, no |
| 02:12.10 | KR | nice picture of you on the BZ boards ;) |
| 02:12.24 | MrApathyCream | me? |
| 02:12.35 | SGI | hi |
| 02:12.39 | KR | you were referenced, yes :) |
| 02:12.43 | KR | nhi SGI |
| 02:12.49 | KR | "n" - eeks |
| 02:12.51 | SGI | nyou too the "n" |
| 02:12.57 | KR | lol |
| 02:13.24 | learner | latest server MAC? |
| 02:14.03 | MrApathyCream | you were compiling, i'm assuming your starting a new one, no? |
| 02:14.10 | learner | log in and log out and log in, and it should be the latest |
| 02:14.20 | learner | it auto-compiles |
| 02:14.34 | KR | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=693&start=180 <-- MrApathyCream, that page |
| 02:15.20 | learner | nice boat, KR :) |
| 02:15.38 | KR | thank you :) think so meselfs :) |
| 02:15.58 | KR | if you are ever in the area and want to sail, lemme know :) |
| 02:16.08 | KR | it's BYOB, however |
| 02:16.29 | MrApathyCream | that's not me |
| 02:16.37 | sussudio | bring your own bunnies? |
| 02:16.50 | MrApathyCream | do bunnies float? |
| 02:16.54 | sussudio | yes, they do |
| 02:16.59 | KR | the good part is (for you), under law, I can't drink any of your beer |
| 02:17.15 | SGI | im learnig to use the nsis |
| 02:17.21 | SGI | learning |
| 02:18.07 | SGI | patlabor221 ...have you see the Pyramid |
| 02:18.12 | SGI | map |
| 02:18.30 | MrApathyCream | bzfs +f V{100} +f A{100} |
| 02:18.34 | MrApathyCream | ?, learner? |
| 02:18.35 | scanline | so, apparently the client's collision detection gets rather confused if you make the world a 20-sided polygon rather than a square |
| 02:18.48 | learner | KR, where's "in the area"? |
| 02:18.54 | MrApathyCream | one would think |
| 02:19.09 | learner | mac, 100?? no, there should be 30 of each flag |
| 02:19.17 | KR | South Carolina USA (by the NC border) |
| 02:19.23 | learner | ah, nice |
| 02:19.25 | MrApathyCream | i don't think there's enough of them :) |
| 02:19.26 | learner | have family there |
| 02:19.47 | KR | root is going to come sail w/me perhaps later this summer |
| 02:19.57 | scanline | oh, wait |
| 02:20.00 | scanline | I got it to work |
| 02:20.08 | learner | actually, mac (though I didn't count), it didn't seem like 120 flags to me either, but I'm not going to count |
| 02:20.10 | MrApathyCream | +f SE{5} +f MQ{5} +f ST{5} +f CL{5} would also be nice |
| 02:20.15 | scanline | it's just picky about which side of the world is the inside |
| 02:20.39 | learner | stealth cloak.. what are the other two? |
| 02:21.33 | learner | it's supposed to have mq |
| 02:22.09 | MrApathyCream | Seer and Masquerade |
| 02:22.15 | scanline | hehe |
| 02:22.16 | learner | Seer? |
| 02:22.29 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: what's the BZDB entry for email |
| 02:22.53 | learner | MAC, you can see the config file at: http://brlcad.org/tmp |
| 02:23.37 | MrApathyCream | learner:k |
| 02:26.07 | MrApathyCream | ah, it's in the old one |
| 02:31.11 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/include (WordFilter.h): sensible order |
| 02:33.41 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): MrAC tries his hand at BZDB (email) |
| 02:34.17 | MrApathyCream | learner: is WordFilter used yet? |
| 02:36.21 | MrApathyCream | scanline: (circular) if only used your powers for good :) |
| 02:36.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Draw walls |
| 02:36.48 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I should get this thing hooked up to bzfls :) |
| 02:37.02 | sussudio | does pybzflag run on console or X? |
| 02:37.06 | scanline | yes |
| 02:37.25 | sussudio | :-| |
| 02:37.58 | learner | mac.. no, not yet :) |
| 02:39.10 | MrApathyCream | better keep it under 500k |
| 02:39.17 | MrApathyCream | er mb |
| 02:39.48 | learner | I have 2gb, so I'm not worried.. :) |
| 02:40.02 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 02:40.06 | learner | (j/k! (about being worried)) |
| 02:40.25 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Server (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/Server added to the repository |
| 02:40.26 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Client (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/Client added to the repository |
| 02:40.27 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/World (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/World added to the repository |
| 02:41.07 | MrApathyCream | ne1 for bunnies on brlcad? |
| 02:41.27 | learner | que? |
| 02:42.15 | learner | what? |
| 02:43.37 | bzgirl | goodnight |
| 02:43.53 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 02:44.31 | MrApathyCream | looking for players |
| 02:44.36 | MrApathyCream | but alas |
| 02:45.01 | MrApathyCream | bbiab |
| 02:47.58 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (5 files in 2 dirs): Split up server classes into separate files |
| 02:55.50 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (5 files in 2 dirs): Split up client classes into separate files |
| 02:58.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 3 dirs): More .cvsignore files |
| 03:01.02 | sussudio | why does only my left cursor key work in the latest sfsnap? |
| 03:01.27 | sussudio | snort? |
| 03:02.29 | learner | you'll probably also notice that firing a round will drop the flag you are presently carrying |
| 03:02.44 | learner | still wanna snort? |
| 03:02.52 | sussudio | wha? |
| 03:02.58 | learner | :) |
| 03:10.59 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (8 files in 4 dirs): Split up World code into separate files, in preparation for adding more world generators |
| 03:31.21 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: yay! |
| 03:40.12 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (5 files in 2 dirs): Implemented random worlds |
| 03:42.08 | scanline | why is bzflag caching the automatically generated worlds? |
| 03:42.55 | captain_proton | i think it caches them for a much shorter period of time |
| 03:43.01 | captain_proton | in case you have to reconnect |
| 03:43.08 | scanline | hmmkay |
| 03:49.53 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): zoooooooom |
| 03:51.56 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): last of the zbuffer cruft |
| 03:53.28 | captain_proton | you're redoing bzfls? :) |
| 03:53.37 | scanline | not yet, I was talking about the client |
| 03:53.42 | captain_proton | ah |
| 03:53.43 | scanline | but bzfls looks pretty simple |
| 03:53.56 | captain_proton | simple...FOR NOW! |
| 03:54.00 | scanline | =) |
| 03:54.04 | scanline | it needs a better web interface |
| 03:54.12 | scanline | I mean, the current one doesn't even decode the hexadecimagoop |
| 03:54.30 | captain_proton | we have designs to make bzfls a big scary monster |
| 03:54.35 | scanline | oooh |
| 03:55.02 | scanline | well, I could do one that supports all the current commands, but has a nicer web interface, and maybe new commands for doing regex version matches on LIST |
| 03:56.42 | scanline | what are the plans you speak of? |
| 03:57.31 | captain_proton | callsign registration, karma |
| 03:57.40 | scanline | in the list server? |
| 03:59.13 | captain_proton | well it is a nice centralized resource... :) |
| 03:59.38 | scanline | needs a flashier name than list server |
| 03:59.45 | scanline | especially since 'list server client' is clumsy |
| 04:00.08 | captain_proton | the bzflag meta-server! |
| 04:00.11 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@172-223.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 04:00.35 | scanline | methinks using 'service' instead of 'server' so it doesn't sound dumb when you try to name the client |
| 04:00.44 | captain_proton | meta-server-client? :) |
| 04:00.51 | scanline | meta-client? |
| 04:00.51 | scanline | :) |
| 04:01.18 | captain_proton | erg! |
| 04:01.22 | captain_proton | why is geometry haunted? |
| 04:01.22 | scanline | list service? bzflag hub? |
| 04:01.56 | captain_proton | hub service meta server client! |
| 04:02.11 | scanline | =) |
| 04:03.07 | scanline | but hmm.... |
| 04:03.07 | captain_proton | aw |
| 04:03.16 | captain_proton | you haven't replied to our feathered friend's post? |
| 04:03.21 | scanline | would be cool if the same server did that auto-reconnect-teleporter thing |
| 04:03.43 | captain_proton | the meta-teleport is a far off todo ;) |
| 04:03.44 | scanline | could I say anything worth saying? |
| 04:04.01 | scanline | captain_proton: true, but you have to plan the name to be all-encompassing for stuff like that |
| 04:04.08 | Michaelh | you mean like drive from one server to another? |
| 04:04.20 | captain_proton | Michaelh: yep :) |
| 04:05.00 | Michaelh | that would be weird |
| 04:05.06 | Michaelh | like a virtual bzring |
| 04:05.12 | captain_proton | well |
| 04:05.19 | captain_proton | the server list could eventually just become a ring of teleporters |
| 04:05.37 | scanline | how about we just call it the central server? |
| 04:05.44 | captain_proton | meta server! |
| 04:05.50 | captain_proton | OBEY THE FIST |
| 04:05.52 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 04:05.59 | scanline | er, server |
| 04:06.10 | scanline | that'd actually be pretty cool =) |
| 04:06.39 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Meta (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/Meta added to the repository |
| 04:06.51 | scanline | how is that 3 files? |
| 04:06.53 | Michaelh | then you just need some wind sounds like quake |
| 04:10.35 | captain_proton | erg! |
| 04:12.03 | captain_proton | someone care to test this to make sure i'm not going crazy? |
| 04:12.20 | scanline | hmm? |
| 04:12.57 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/haunted.diff |
| 04:14.19 | captain_proton | test with -window -geometry 1024x768 |
| 04:14.23 | captain_proton | its giving my window manager a div0 :P |
| 04:14.46 | Michaelh | and I suppose that's not good huh? |
| 04:14.47 | scanline | yikes |
| 04:16.11 | captain_proton | luckily most of my wm is written in a language thats pretty fault tolerant, so it doesn't cause too much damage >:) |
| 04:16.24 | scanline | hmm.. it works for me |
| 04:16.34 | captain_proton | ok, guess its just my machine thats haunted |
| 04:17.13 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): i seem to have lisp poltergeists. oh well, it works for scanline |
| 04:17.46 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 04:17.52 | Michaelh | your wm is written in lisp???? |
| 04:18.03 | captain_proton | most of it, yeah :) |
| 04:23.32 | scanline | it's amazing how fast you can fire by holding down the enter key... |
| 04:23.35 | scanline | is it supposed to do that? |
| 04:23.44 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:23.51 | scanline | cool :) |
| 04:24.27 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): yet another random value that nobody uses |
| 04:25.14 | captain_proton | 2 files? |
| 04:25.18 | captain_proton | oh right |
| 04:27.22 | scanline | would this make http://bzflag.org/list-server.txt on a meta-meta-server? |
| 04:28.11 | captain_proton | i believe it would =) |
| 04:30.15 | scanline | ooh |
| 04:30.57 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): wahoo, with this variable, ResourceDatabase is used by one fewer function |
| 04:31.56 | captain_proton | and playing.cxx hits revision 200 =) |
| 04:32.26 | scanline | hooray |
| 04:32.30 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): move quickMessages to new config |
| 04:34.54 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): move worldCacheLimit to bzdb |
| 04:36.45 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:36.50 | captain_proton | "const book fakeCursor... " |
| 04:38.53 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): false cursor for 3dfx passthrough |
| 04:40.14 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:40.21 | captain_proton | scanline: did you realize that your facts are incorrent and twisted? |
| 04:40.37 | scanline | facts? I have facts? |
| 04:40.38 | scanline | cool |
| 04:40.55 | scanline | as long as they're not corrent facts |
| 04:43.34 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (3 files): elminate all but the keybindings from ResourceDatabase |
| 04:43.39 | captain_proton | woobup |
| 04:44.56 | scanline | asynchronous programming is so much nicer with python's scoping rules |
| 04:46.09 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (menus.cxx): menus.cxx no longer needs resources.h |
| 04:49.15 | captain_proton | damn i love folds |
| 04:50.16 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:50.54 | captain_proton | (22:36:11) davidtrowbridge1: question for ya |
| 04:50.54 | captain_proton | (22:36:22) davidtrowbridge1: did those goodies actually go out? |
| 04:50.54 | captain_proton | (22:36:25) oOTHEJRCOo: 12 |
| 04:50.54 | captain_proton | (22:36:59) davidtrowbridge1: ...12? |
| 04:50.54 | captain_proton | (22:37:18) oOTHEJRCOo: well either twelve or batphouti |
| 04:50.55 | captain_proton | (22:37:24) oOTHEJRCOo: just say it... batphouti |
| 04:50.57 | captain_proton | (22:37:59) davidtrowbridge1: hows that pronounced? |
| 04:50.59 | captain_proton | (22:38:18) oOTHEJRCOo: uhm... bat (baseball bat) |
| 04:51.01 | captain_proton | (22:38:58) oOTHEJRCOo: foo tea (emphasise the foo and drop off with the tea but say it real quick... like BAtfOOti |
| 04:51.19 | scanline | heheh |
| 04:54.30 | learner | folds? |
| 04:54.41 | captain_proton | folds! |
| 04:56.01 | learner | functional programming? |
| 04:57.28 | learner | or social/educational/athletic/etc connotation |
| 04:57.44 | captain_proton | huh |
| 04:57.44 | learner | ~dict folds |
| 04:57.50 | scanline | this appears to still have been blocking on connect |
| 04:57.50 | captain_proton | :help fold |
| 04:58.04 | learner | ~dict fold |
| 04:58.55 | learner | context, cap? |
| 04:59.00 | captain_proton | vim |
| 04:59.31 | learner | ah.. vi-ism |
| 04:59.39 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): another keybinding to commands |
| 05:00.41 | learner | fold==context sensitive modality |
| 05:01.06 | learner | i.e. a vi-ism |
| 05:01.09 | learner | :) |
| 05:03.26 | captain_proton | HIYA MAC! |
| 05:03.27 | learner | http://citeseer.nj.nec.com/cachedpage/61982/1 |
| 05:03.39 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: caching: correct |
| 05:05.06 | captain_proton | a little of both |
| 05:05.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (8 files in 5 dirs): Yay, now socket connect and write are correctly nonblocking too |
| 05:06.16 | learner | that deadline I realized yesterday is gonna kick my @$$. I have a long night ahead of me.. :( |
| 05:08.05 | scanline | it was a quick branch :) |
| 05:08.16 | MrApathyCream | prolly the quickest ever |
| 05:08.24 | MrApathyCream | (in bzland that is) |
| 05:08.25 | captain_proton | only one ever |
| 05:08.29 | captain_proton | if you don't count 1.8 |
| 05:08.40 | MrApathyCream | so does the branch remain in cvs, or is it nuked |
| 05:08.52 | scanline | it stays in CVS |
| 05:09.12 | MrApathyCream | so future generations can enjoy your genious, i suppose |
| 05:09.18 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:10.14 | captain_proton | BLAH! |
| 05:10.19 | captain_proton | flag help is crufty |
| 05:10.21 | MrApathyCream | scanline: see my commits response about the 'p' and 't' prefixes for hashes? |
| 05:10.36 | scanline | MrApathyCream: missed it |
| 05:10.43 | captain_proton | scanline: *gasp* |
| 05:10.47 | captain_proton | you don't subscribe to bzflag-dev?!? |
| 05:10.57 | scanline | oh.. not yet |
| 05:11.14 | scanline | I've only been an actual bzflag developer since.. last night |
| 05:11.19 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:11.31 | MrApathyCream | you've come up to speed quicker than anyone too :) |
| 05:11.41 | scanline | whee: |
| 05:11.41 | scanline | metaURL = response.strip().split("\n")[-1].strip() |
| 05:11.55 | MrApathyCream | scanline: hashes are prefixed with 'p' when the world is from a world file, otherwise 't' |
| 05:12.02 | scanline | MrApathyCream: right, I got that |
| 05:12.06 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:12.19 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: what's crufty? |
| 05:12.24 | scanline | and in pybzflag I don't count that as part of the hash, it's a separate 'lifetime' enum |
| 05:13.07 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the whole thing how i can't just set displayFlagHelp |
| 05:13.12 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Meta (__init__.py): Strip HTTP headers from the response in getMetaserverURL() |
| 05:13.17 | captain_proton | it instead requires a call to HUDRenderer::setFlagHelp |
| 05:13.30 | captain_proton | hmm, i know how to solve this! |
| 05:13.33 | captain_proton | a callback! |
| 05:13.40 | MrApathyCream | ah, but not related to the FlagDesc stuff |
| 05:13.43 | scanline | callbacks solve everything |
| 05:13.51 | MrApathyCream | except for actors |
| 05:13.52 | scanline | especially when you can nest functions and they scope correctly |
| 05:14.19 | MrApathyCream | functors |
| 05:17.37 | scanline | hmm, sf's mailing list page is being unrespondful |
| 05:18.23 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 05:19.01 | captain_proton | yay for functors! |
| 05:19.18 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:35.17 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (7 files in 2 dirs): wow...the callback works |
| 05:35.49 | MrApathyCream | is BZDB done then? |
| 05:36.13 | captain_proton | not quite |
| 05:36.31 | captain_proton | 7 more keybindings to take care of |
| 05:36.33 | captain_proton | then it'll be done |
| 05:37.16 | MrApathyCream | coo |
| 05:38.37 | learner | coo |
| 05:38.51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hehe |
| 05:38.53 | MrApathyCream | if i can just check it in before riker gets back. |
| 05:42.13 | captain_proton | quick! |
| 05:42.26 | captain_proton | one thing that you can always do is write new features, but post a patch rather than commit |
| 05:42.35 | MrApathyCream | bah, were spoiled now |
| 05:44.22 | MrApathyCream | yay |
| 05:44.28 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:45.10 | scanline | does anyone know what the 'build' field in bzfls is supposed to do? |
| 05:45.26 | scanline | it seems to be zero when sent to bzfls, and it never comes back in LIST |
| 05:45.47 | captain_proton | scanline: tried seeing what the value is with g2? i think you'll find the value is '2' |
| 05:47.58 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 05:48.27 | MrApathyCream | bzflag.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "void __cdecl setFlagHelp(class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> > const &,void *)" (?setFlagHelp@@YAXABV?$basic_string@DU?$char_traits@D@std@@V?$a |
| 05:48.28 | MrApathyCream | llocator@D@2@@std@@PAX@Z) |
| 05:48.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: add callbacks.(h|cxx) to the build |
| 05:49.24 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:51.00 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): added orange, brown, yellow and cyan teams |
| 05:52.01 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/win32 (bzflag.dsp): added callback.cxx, .h to dsp |
| 05:52.15 | captain_proton | umm |
| 05:52.19 | captain_proton | took out the call to common.h? |
| 05:52.27 | captain_proton | include* |
| 05:53.07 | MrApathyCream | why, you don't build? |
| 05:54.51 | captain_proton | just wondering - i'd prefer if common.h was in everything |
| 05:55.00 | captain_proton | since its got some special macros & stuff |
| 05:55.46 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): The metaserver and metametaserver are both fully nonblocking now |
| 05:55.53 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:56.18 | scanline | now the example to list servers from bzfls is creepy |
| 05:56.20 | scanline | from BZFlag import Event, Meta |
| 05:56.20 | scanline | loop = Event.EventLoop() |
| 05:56.20 | scanline | def callback(servers): |
| 05:56.21 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.23 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.26 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.30 | scanline | Meta.MetaClient(loop).list(callback) |
| 05:56.32 | scanline | loop.run() |
| 05:56.34 | scanline | oop, thought it would remove those blank lines... |
| 05:56.42 | captain_proton | it did... ? |
| 05:56.53 | scanline | hm. they show up on my side |
| 05:57.01 | learner | didn't show up here |
| 05:57.21 | captain_proton | i think the server filters them out |
| 05:57.26 | scanline | that's good |
| 05:58.05 | learner | so geeks that fall asleep on the spacebar don't end up spamming channels.. |
| 05:58.06 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): message panel scrolling |
| 05:58.13 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:58.25 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 05:58.31 | scanline | =) |
| 05:58.34 | MrApathyCream | that would be me |
| 05:59.03 | scanline | hehe, I remember that |
| 05:59.11 | MrApathyCream | is he in college yet? |
| 05:59.22 | learner | tim's son? |
| 05:59.25 | MrApathyCream | ya |
| 05:59.28 | learner | heh |
| 05:59.45 | captain_proton | still a couple years away i think |
| 05:59.56 | learner | has daddy gotten him playing bzflag yet? |
| 05:59.57 | MrApathyCream | http://henrylyon.rikers.org/ |
| 06:00.03 | captain_proton | ah, here it is: |
| 06:00.05 | captain_proton | http://henrylyon.rikers.org/henryirc.txt |
| 06:00.11 | learner | slow cap.. slow |
| 06:00.18 | learner | :) |
| 06:02.13 | MrApathyCream | helarious |
| 06:02.46 | captain_proton | sooo |
| 06:03.03 | captain_proton | i'm pondering how to get the new keybindings to only act under certain conditions (like roaming) |
| 06:03.24 | captain_proton | i'm thinking of adding a 'condition' field to to bind command that would give a variable to BZDB->isTrue() - thoughts? |
| 06:03.47 | scanline | keybinding scopes! |
| 06:04.02 | captain_proton | heh, that'd sort of be the idea |
| 06:04.26 | learner | hmmm... could get messy |
| 06:04.53 | captain_proton | messy? |
| 06:04.58 | learner | that's putting app logic into a particular class -- they'd have to be kept in sync |
| 06:05.21 | learner | instead of the app just utilizing an event hierarchy |
| 06:05.30 | learner | for key processing |
| 06:06.10 | MrApathyCream | (the anti whitespace processer) |
| 06:06.33 | captain_proton | learner: well - right now it calls KEYMGR->get() on the key event |
| 06:07.11 | captain_proton | if the result of that is empty, it passes on through to the next layer |
| 06:07.25 | captain_proton | so the keymanager would query bzdb to see if the binding was in scope |
| 06:07.31 | captain_proton | and return std::string() if not |
| 06:07.45 | MrApathyCream | Is there any use for the DeadPlayer class anymore? |
| 06:08.11 | captain_proton | DeadPlayer is for players no longer connected? |
| 06:08.19 | captain_proton | (who used to be in the HUD) ? |
| 06:08.37 | MrApathyCream | yes. but since we don't show them in the hud.... |
| 06:08.47 | captain_proton | heh - hands up if you remember dead players in the hud! |
| 06:09.05 | MrApathyCream | i actually liked that feature too. |
| 06:09.18 | MrApathyCream | breakcrumbs |
| 06:09.22 | MrApathyCream | ah, yah, |
| 06:09.25 | MrApathyCream | breadcrumbs |
| 06:09.53 | learner | hmm |
| 06:10.38 | learner | so it's polling for keys.. |
| 06:10.45 | captain_proton | no |
| 06:10.52 | learner | no? |
| 06:10.54 | captain_proton | it recieves a key event |
| 06:10.57 | learner | keymgr->get()? |
| 06:10.59 | captain_proton | checks to see if its bound |
| 06:11.06 | captain_proton | if not, passes on down |
| 06:11.28 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 06:12.50 | learner | so lemme see if I understand this |
| 06:13.12 | captain_proton | you don't |
| 06:13.13 | captain_proton | give up now |
| 06:13.14 | captain_proton | errr |
| 06:13.17 | captain_proton | go on... |
| 06:14.41 | learner | platform generates a key event, key event is passed on to the keymgr, keymgr returns a non-empty result if the event is bound, the platform then decides what to do when it is bound |
| 06:14.48 | learner | ha ha, funny you |
| 06:15.25 | captain_proton | platform generates a key event |
| 06:15.43 | captain_proton | event is passed either to doKeyNotPlaying or doKeyPlaying |
| 06:15.50 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 06:15.54 | captain_proton | those do some stuff depending |
| 06:15.58 | captain_proton | then pass it to doKeyCommon |
| 06:16.32 | fiberchunks | by the way, methinks it's doKeyCommon that b0rks things for us keyboard users, fyi |
| 06:16.32 | scanline | static const float ListServerReAddTime = 30.0f * 60.0f; |
| 06:16.43 | scanline | anyone know off the top of their head what unit that's in? |
| 06:16.46 | captain_proton | doKeyCommon queries the keymgr to see if its bound |
| 06:16.58 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: well - its the roam bindings |
| 06:17.03 | captain_proton | which is why i want to scope keybindings |
| 06:17.19 | MrApathyCream | seconds? |
| 06:17.33 | scanline | 30 minutes seems a bit long to wait between bzfls postings |
| 06:17.42 | learner | eek, mode after mode in platform -- it's not much different than your scope idea, except X method calls get converted to a scope check |
| 06:17.56 | learner | sorta |
| 06:18.11 | captain_proton | sorta |
| 06:18.13 | learner | scope would probably clean it up a bit |
| 06:18.15 | MrApathyCream | speak of the devil: http://bzflag.mebigfatguy.com/henry_riker.jpg |
| 06:18.17 | captain_proton | but right now its all one big hardcoded mess |
| 06:18.30 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hehe |
| 06:18.31 | fiberchunks | mebigfatguy? |
| 06:18.33 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 06:18.38 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:18.40 | learner | eeek, M$ shirt |
| 06:18.47 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 06:21.29 | MrApathyCream | OH! i didn't even notice that, WOW |
| 06:21.36 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: hah |
| 06:22.04 | learner | a description would be useful, but I think I'm agreeing preemptively now.. |
| 06:22.17 | learner | either that or work backwards |
| 06:23.06 | learner | get menu bindings storing cleanly, then work out the interface that utilizes those bindings (scoped or not) |
| 06:24.00 | learner | er, menu bindings => menu for setting key bindings |
| 06:24.36 | learner | MAC, hehehe |
| 06:24.39 | fiberchunks | learner: here's a thing I wrote up some time ago about my troubles with keys http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=665426&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 06:24.44 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 06:24.51 | learner | mornin' jb |
| 06:25.29 | fiberchunks | don't know if my reproduction methods are still the same, I wrote that for e7 I think |
| 06:25.50 | fiberchunks | yes, except it's very badly broken ;) |
| 06:25.51 | learner | wow... and it's still "Open" |
| 06:26.11 | fiberchunks | of course it is, cause most people use the mouse -- it's never been a top priority :\ |
| 06:26.35 | JBDiGriz | good evening learner |
| 06:26.42 | fiberchunks | hello jb |
| 06:26.51 | JBDiGriz | high fiber! |
| 06:26.58 | fiberchunks | no, unfortunately ;) |
| 06:27.12 | learner | um.. barley doesn't count? |
| 06:27.17 | learner | and hops? |
| 06:27.20 | fiberchunks | not drinkin either :\ |
| 06:27.25 | learner | ouch |
| 06:27.43 | JBDiGriz | It's late, or rather early, in your part of the world. |
| 06:27.49 | fiberchunks | yessir |
| 06:28.04 | fiberchunks | got back from shootin stick earlier, and never left the machine |
| 06:28.25 | JBDiGriz | I discovered some interesting things about the mac client earlier today. |
| 06:28.29 | learner | fiber, I've noticed all the bugs you pointed out.. but I figured they were a "feature" of playing with the keys.. :) |
| 06:28.31 | fiberchunks | learner> oh yeah, and I have no idea about any 'new' bindings that have been added, haven't fiddled with any of those |
| 06:28.50 | learner | fiber, don't worry -- it just completely breaks playing with the keys |
| 06:28.52 | fiberchunks | learner> bah -- I think someone once tried to convince me of that as well ;) |
| 06:29.01 | learner | heh, I won't try to convince |
| 06:29.15 | learner | I thought it was os x specific |
| 06:29.41 | learner | jb, yes? |
| 06:29.42 | fiberchunks | I would honestly buy whoever fixes the keys issue a case of whatever beer they'd like for fixing it, and ship it to them |
| 06:29.50 | JBDiGriz | The pb build works, if you execute it from the shell, although it has the pastel like colors. |
| 06:29.51 | learner | lol! |
| 06:30.12 | JBDiGriz | The pastel colors become normal if you play around with the options. |
| 06:30.27 | learner | ah... jb.. like pink buildings? |
| 06:30.29 | JBDiGriz | Flags are dropped if you shoot. |
| 06:30.44 | learner | keybindings are borked, jb |
| 06:30.47 | fiberchunks | I think that ^^^ is platform independent |
| 06:31.18 | JBDiGriz | I think we're being screwed by the keybindings, environment variables, and config options. |
| 06:32.00 | learner | hmm.. maybe a generic -catch all- event handler in sdl? |
| 06:32.20 | fiberchunks | dunno -- I am a code twit, I can bug hunt well though |
| 06:32.29 | fiberchunks | or at least tell you what's wrong ;) |
| 06:33.36 | learner | heh. I'm still learning the particulars of the existing code base |
| 06:33.42 | fiberchunks | good luck |
| 06:33.47 | learner | I've tried to stay out of the client, to date |
| 06:34.02 | learner | limiting myself to bzfs |
| 06:34.36 | learner | jb, I think part of that was the new .bzflag19 that got generated |
| 06:34.46 | learner | had default values which was everything turned off |
| 06:34.49 | fiberchunks | 6570 lines for playing.cxx seems a bit much, from a twit |
| 06:34.54 | learner | threw me for a while, as well |
| 06:35.08 | learner | it's obsessively much |
| 06:35.20 | learner | bzfs.cxx was 9000+ lines |
| 06:35.22 | JBDiGriz | I've just started really tearing into the client this week. I'm still not appreciating the finer points of c++. |
| 06:35.34 | learner | and I had a patch that was going to add another 1000 |
| 06:35.42 | learner | so I started breaking it up |
| 06:35.54 | learner | others starting jumping in the "fun" |
| 06:36.03 | learner | now bzfs.cxx is about 6500 lines iirc |
| 06:36.07 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:36.13 | learner | jb: heh |
| 06:36.33 | learner | fiber, shouldn't usually |
| 06:36.49 | learner | usually modifiers have their own handler, but that's platform specific |
| 06:37.29 | fiberchunks | well, I was thinking that many of my problems could be solved by having to shift+<up arrow> for example, to cycle through the player I want to send to (which is currently impossible) |
| 06:38.20 | fiberchunks | SDL does some sort of thing, iirc, like handleFoo(SHIFT_MASK | CTRL_MASK | ALT_MASK) or something like that |
| 06:38.50 | learner | yea, something like that |
| 06:39.01 | learner | hey.. there's not 1000! :) |
| 06:39.07 | learner | just 30 |
| 06:39.09 | learner | :) |
| 06:39.22 | learner | there's 90 other "non-useless" flags |
| 06:40.01 | learner | squeaky clean? |
| 06:40.15 | captain_proton | squeaky WET! |
| 06:40.22 | JBDiGriz | I couldn't hold onto the flags on brlcad tonight. They dropped after every shot! |
| 06:40.41 | captain_proton | scanline: you need to reply to diablo asking which of your facts are incorrent and twisted ;) |
| 06:40.53 | scanline | :) |
| 06:40.58 | scanline | ok |
| 06:41.22 | MrApathyCream | hmm, dropFlag on shoot is coming from the server, not the client |
| 06:41.41 | learner | cap, what about a real "key event" object (guts would be part of platform) that provides some sort of subscription interface? |
| 06:42.07 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:42.11 | learner | pieces of code that care about bindings would subscribe to them and would get notification |
| 06:42.15 | learner | when they occur |
| 06:42.32 | scanline | captain_proton: postski'ed |
| 06:43.07 | MrApathyCream | ah, it's the limits stuff |
| 06:43.58 | learner | that way, cap, the subscribing code already knows if the game is in a valid state (e.g. a menu handler would check if the menu is active) to handle the event it receives |
| 06:44.34 | learner | that way key handling code is not fuddled/tied to app logic |
| 06:45.01 | learner | you could update the key handler independant, likewise modify the app and leave the key handler alone |
| 06:45.47 | captain_proton | how would you tie it in to the config? |
| 06:46.46 | learner | those would be initialization parameters to the key/event manager |
| 06:47.07 | learner | key i generates the following events |
| 06:47.23 | learner | then app code would register event X |
| 06:47.32 | learner | er, register _for_ event X |
| 06:48.27 | learner | eeek! |
| 06:49.00 | captain_proton | what about events that don't strictly require app code? |
| 06:49.09 | learner | such as? |
| 06:49.22 | captain_proton | like the existing toggle commands |
| 06:49.33 | learner | ?? |
| 06:49.36 | learner | toggle? |
| 06:49.44 | captain_proton | toggles the state of a variable in bzdb |
| 06:50.53 | fiberchunks | gnite all |
| 06:50.53 | learner | perhaps "I/O Event Handler" would be a better name for the object/service |
| 06:50.59 | learner | gnite fiber |
| 06:51.17 | captain_proton | so maybe add a command for a key to 'post an event' |
| 06:51.26 | learner | yes! |
| 06:51.28 | captain_proton | and allow keys to be bound to any arbitrary number of things |
| 06:51.43 | MrApathyCream | hmmm, it would appear that flagMap isn't populated when CmdLineOptions is ctored |
| 06:52.02 | learner | platform code keys would post events to the event manager, the event manager would then inform all subscribers to that event |
| 06:52.04 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: but when CmdLineOptions uses flagMap, it should get initialized... |
| 06:52.17 | MrApathyCream | What the heck is this? |
| 06:52.18 | MrApathyCream | std::map<std::string, FlagDesc*>& FlagDesc::getFlagMap() { |
| 06:52.18 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.18 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.18 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 06:52.34 | captain_proton | its larsl's sick and twisted version of a singleton |
| 06:52.34 | learner | gnite jb |
| 06:52.41 | learner | lol, cap |
| 06:53.20 | captain_proton | hmm, if we do this right, it won't require too much architecting |
| 06:53.27 | learner | the twisted part is the stl good oozing from that static object return |
| 06:53.37 | learner | s/good/goo/ |
| 06:53.45 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (6 files in 5 dirs): Publicizing servers to bzfls should work now |
| 06:53.46 | captain_proton | we just need an event posting/listening system |
| 06:54.17 | learner | if you say so -- I honestly don't know the existing event code that well (yet) |
| 06:54.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Meta (.cvsignore): Be quiet, CVS |
| 06:54.29 | learner | just what you've explained here tonight.. |
| 06:54.59 | captain_proton | plus some refactoring of the keymgr to allow a key event to be bound to an arbitrary number of commands |
| 06:54.59 | learner | and what I've seen in the os x platform lib |
| 06:54.59 | scanline | sooo.... this bzfls stuff should work, but it doesn't.. and it turns out, I can't get a normal bzfs to show up on the list either |
| 06:55.09 | captain_proton | scanline: perhaps you need -publicaddr? (nat) |
| 06:55.15 | scanline | captain_proton: I'm trying that |
| 06:55.21 | scanline | doesn't seem to work |
| 06:55.29 | learner | seen my config scanline? |
| 06:55.36 | scanline | no? |
| 06:55.41 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/ |
| 06:55.44 | MrApathyCream | getFlagMap is completely borked |
| 06:56.12 | learner | shouldn't be.. |
| 06:56.35 | MrApathyCream | but tis |
| 06:56.46 | learner | how so? |
| 06:56.48 | MrApathyCream | who changed it over to this hairbrained scheme? |
| 06:57.02 | learner | scanline :) |
| 06:57.02 | MrApathyCream | The map is never populated |
| 06:57.10 | MrApathyCream | no scanline, did not |
| 06:57.15 | MrApathyCream | it was working last he had it |
| 06:57.16 | learner | no? sry |
| 06:57.42 | captain_proton | iirc larsl did, because cmdlineoptions was trying to use flags before it was initializing, causing a crash on some systems |
| 06:57.47 | learner | well.. "his" version from last night sent my server bus erroring for hours.. :) |
| 06:58.08 | MrApathyCream | yah, well know it's created, but there aren't any flags in it!! |
| 06:58.27 | learner | that wouldn't be the singleton.. something else maybe |
| 06:58.45 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: can both be turned into bzdb/keymgr/filemgr/etc-style singletons? |
| 06:59.43 | MrApathyCream | farking global initialization ordering problems |
| 07:00.43 | captain_proton | so for now, i think i'm gonna get all the old keybindings working, though bork keyboard players |
| 07:00.54 | captain_proton | then we can do this super-whoopie-event-notification thing :) |
| 07:01.22 | captain_proton | lemme try something, hang on |
| 07:01.24 | MrApathyCream | I suppose we need a function that initializes the whole mess, explicitly called early on |
| 07:02.29 | MrApathyCream | how so? |
| 07:02.33 | MrApathyCream | 'splain |
| 07:02.48 | MrApathyCream | So we have Flags namespace with a bunch of FlagDesc * ctors |
| 07:02.56 | MrApathyCream | in the ctor, the flag adds itself to the map |
| 07:03.31 | MrApathyCream | if this namespace doesn't get processed before CmdLine, it's busted |
| 07:03.55 | captain_proton | hmm...namespace you say... |
| 07:04.02 | MrApathyCream | Flags:: |
| 07:04.37 | MrApathyCream | maybe the flagMap should belong to the namespace |
| 07:04.50 | scanline | Flags::map would be cool |
| 07:04.59 | MrApathyCream | trying.... |
| 07:05.36 | MrApathyCream | prolly can't use map |
| 07:05.52 | MrApathyCream | well, i guess you can, never mind |
| 07:05.55 | MrApathyCream | different ns |
| 07:06.40 | scanline | I have an ancient bzfs installed on navi |
| 07:08.15 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 07:08.21 | captain_proton | wtf is going on with the left arrow key |
| 07:09.00 | learner | scanline.. brlcad.org :) |
| 07:09.09 | scanline | eh? |
| 07:09.19 | learner | bzfs running on brlcad.org |
| 07:09.32 | scanline | yes...? |
| 07:09.51 | learner | you said you had an ancient version installed on navi.. |
| 07:10.05 | learner | brlcad should _always_ be running the current cvs |
| 07:10.27 | scanline | right.. the issue isn't that I need a server to connect to, I'm debugging server-type-stuff |
| 07:10.48 | learner | ah.. heheh |
| 07:11.29 | scanline | specifically I have a python bzfs that I'm trying to get to identify itself to list servers... so to make sure the list server can route pings to me I wanted to test with a regular bzfs |
| 07:11.47 | learner | mkay |
| 07:12.34 | learner | your statement makes a world of different sense, now.. :) |
| 07:14.05 | MrApathyCream | grrrr |
| 07:16.42 | learner | singleton woes? |
| 07:17.12 | MrApathyCream | not even. |
| 07:17.18 | MrApathyCream | I think we can't use the namespace |
| 07:17.27 | MrApathyCream | perhaps we need to change Flags namespace to class Flags |
| 07:24.43 | scanline | aha.. ethereal tells all |
| 07:26.27 | captain_proton | heh...scanline |
| 07:26.34 | captain_proton | guess you can't use sloccount to prove diablo wrong |
| 07:26.42 | scanline | hm? |
| 07:26.47 | scanline | he replied already/ |
| 07:26.48 | captain_proton | Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 57,115 |
| 07:26.51 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:27.26 | scanline | ah.. that's for shadowconflict? |
| 07:27.50 | captain_proton | apparently |
| 07:28.11 | scanline | whee, the list server just called me back |
| 07:28.23 | scanline | and indeed I show up on the list now |
| 07:28.25 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (bzflag.cxx): bind roaming keys slightly differently to unbork keyboard players |
| 07:29.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 3 dirs): bzfs.py now properly adds itself to the metaserver's list |
| 07:30.33 | scanline | so, looks like I also need to make this networking code smarter... it doesn't like multihomed machines like navi |
| 07:41.25 | learner | heh.. sloccount.... cool, I'd forgotten all about that thing |
| 07:42.03 | learner | cap, 57K is like 3-4 months of development.. |
| 07:42.17 | learner | or were you going for ... less.. :) |
| 07:42.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Fix Socket.listen() for machines with multiple network interfaces |
| 07:45.27 | captain_proton | learner: i was surprised that 2k lines of code that do as little as this does would be 3-4 months |
| 07:45.31 | MrApathyCream | hm, i can't really see how to do this with out uglifying it |
| 07:46.11 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Server (Stateful.py): Don't make server public by default |
| 07:46.24 | captain_proton | think sloccount on bzflag would be 10 years? =) |
| 07:46.45 | scanline | hmmmmm |
| 07:46.52 | scanline | sloccount on pybzflag is 8.76 months |
| 07:46.56 | learner | that tool very minimally analysess code "quality", afaict -- it rated a little script I wrote in a couple minutes at about $1500 |
| 07:47.00 | scanline | I started it last thursday :-/ |
| 07:47.00 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (5 files): move radar zooming to bzdb |
| 07:47.29 | captain_proton | scanline: hehe |
| 07:47.43 | captain_proton | scanline: you just need a $500k salary to make it worthwhile |
| 07:48.06 | scanline | yyep |
| 07:48.13 | captain_proton | hmm, interesting |
| 07:48.17 | captain_proton | bzflag has 12 lines of objc? |
| 07:48.37 | learner | probably in the os x interface |
| 07:49.06 | learner | though that is still surprising.. I haven't seen any |
| 07:49.23 | learner | heh. $2.6M |
| 07:50.34 | captain_proton | BZFlag_Prefix.h |
| 07:51.04 | learner | ah yes.. the #imports |
| 07:51.16 | learner | that's six of them |
| 07:51.19 | learner | there are probably others |
| 07:51.36 | learner | hmm. one other |
| 07:51.40 | captain_proton | nope |
| 07:51.45 | learner | ah.. main.m |
| 07:51.45 | captain_proton | BZFlag_Prefix.h is 12 lines long... |
| 07:51.55 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:51.56 | learner | it's not used "yet", but it's all objc |
| 07:52.25 | captain_proton | NSApplicationMain? |
| 07:52.40 | captain_proton | ...created quite recently |
| 07:52.45 | learner | yes |
| 07:53.09 | learner | I have been working on completely reworking the os x client |
| 07:53.31 | learner | it's using a lot of carbon lib calls, and is generally a bit messy |
| 07:53.45 | learner | plus there is so much that was left unfinished |
| 07:53.49 | CIA | 03dbrosius * 12bzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Document global initialization order problem, caused by |
| 07:54.04 | learner | I've started working on rewriting a majority of it |
| 07:54.15 | MrApathyCream | 2 docs? |
| 07:54.19 | learner | have sweet new display code |
| 07:54.36 | learner | osx'll finally be able to run in window'd mode |
| 07:55.52 | MrApathyCream | sl33p time |
| 07:56.05 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: ah, removed an AList include |
| 07:56.06 | captain_proton | 'night MrApathyCream |
| 07:56.15 | MrApathyCream | nite |
| 07:59.11 | scanline | hooray |
| 08:00.07 | learner | cool, my word filter is worth 10g's :) |
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| 08:01.33 | learner | holy cow! |
| 08:02.12 | learner | my testing framework that I wrote in borne shell is reportedly worth $25.5 million bucks |
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| 08:02.52 | learner | there's some sweet value added software :) |
| 08:03.24 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Basic support for setting game style options on the command line |
| 08:05.24 | captain_proton | heh |
| 08:05.59 | learner | I wrote that puppy for myself (and others) |
| 08:06.05 | scanline | Apparently a file full of fonts encoded in arrays that I just autogenerated is worth $ 306,546 |
| 08:06.16 | learner | it's a rather robust execution framework |
| 08:06.29 | learner | I've considered open sourcing it of late |
| 08:07.04 | captain_proton | how many lines of bsh is it? |
| 08:07.22 | learner | ability to perform regression/whitebox/blackbox/otherbox testing automatically/remotely/step-wise, etc |
| 08:09.07 | learner | I don't recall exactly how many, but it's certainly in the high thousands |
| 08:09.22 | learner | er, lemme check |
| 08:12.06 | learner | yes, it's about 10K lines, give or take a thousand |
| 08:12.13 | captain_proton | yow! |
| 08:12.17 | learner | :) |
| 08:12.22 | captain_proton | naptime! |
| 08:12.22 | learner | it's non-trivial |
| 08:12.31 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 08:12.35 | learner | nite cap |
| 08:12.41 | scanline | g'night captain_proton |
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| 08:13.36 | learner | debugging the intricacies of non-posix compliant borne shells is a bitch |
| 08:13.58 | learner | and posix compliant ones are much better |
| 08:15.09 | learner | ugh |
| 08:26.48 | learner | i think sloccount is a rather bogus, though for simple code it's a really rough judgement |
| 08:27.26 | learner | my test code is maybe worth 50k at best :) |
| 08:37.57 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 4 dirs): Remove most of the insanity from the CommandLine module |
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| 09:57.48 | Chestal | tag |
| 09:58.10 | scanline | mornin |
| 10:01.08 | learner | groanin' |
| 10:07.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Server (2 files): Some option tweaks |
| 10:18.06 | Chestal | what is this strange commit by MAC where it says he added browen teams etc? |
| 10:18.14 | Chestal | all he did was to remove includes from bzfs which broke it |
| 10:18.21 | scanline | no idea |
| 10:21.03 | Chestal | readding header files now |
| 10:21.42 | learner | hmm.. he supposedly added a bunch of new team colors |
| 10:22.15 | learner | Chestal, do you read commits from the irc chat log, or do you have a cia log packed away somewhere? |
| 10:25.27 | Chestal | was going through the mailing list |
| 10:27.03 | learner | bzflag-devel does not.. |
| 10:27.35 | Chestal | hmm, they are addressed to bzflag-commits@lists.SourceForge.net |
| 10:28.01 | learner | hmm. mkay, thx. I'll dig later |
| 10:28.07 | Chestal | off to lunch |
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| 12:36.22 | CIA | 03chestal * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): readd some header files to bzfs.cxx which have mysteriously vanished |
| 13:01.22 | david_v | i haven't find dmp online these days - have anyone else noticed this? a guy just joined my team without my approval and i didn't even get a notification from the system |
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| 13:24.40 | learnerAtWork | cap wake up yet? |
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| 15:07.24 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: something you wanted? |
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| 15:14.24 | learnerAtWork | ah.. maybe for bzflag-commit |
| 15:14.29 | captain_proton | because i'm just that huggable? |
| 15:14.35 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 15:14.56 | learnerAtWork | I need sleep causing I'm seeing things.. |
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| 15:15.51 | learnerAtWork | cap you need to manually add me? I don't think I ever received anything for bzflag-commit other than (waiting for moderator ..) |
| 15:16.13 | captain_proton | the list isn't join-controlled |
| 15:16.30 | learnerAtWork | hrm |
| 15:33.31 | learnerAtWork | does anyone know if sourceforge requires matching e-mail on return receipt confirmations? |
| 15:33.42 | learnerAtWork | or is the id sufficient |
| 15:34.41 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (4 files): move slow-keyboard to bzdb |
| 15:34.48 | captain_proton | oh man, i'm sooo close |
| 15:35.01 | bzzdoug | close? |
| 15:35.09 | learnerAtWork | mmm.. aparently not since bzflag-bugs works.. |
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| 15:37.35 | bzzdoug | heya patlabor221 |
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| 15:38.46 | learnerAtWork | hmm... dev, league, and users worked just fine, but I wasn't added to commits or cops for some reason |
| 15:38.59 | learnerAtWork | maybe just bad timing with all of the sf puking |
| 15:39.28 | patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:40.17 | captain_proton | bah |
| 15:40.23 | captain_proton | ssh-type cvs server is being cranky |
| 15:40.38 | patlabor221 | and this Tim it will make cap happy |
| 15:40.42 | patlabor221 | and chestal happy |
| 15:40.54 | captain_proton | ...oh? |
| 15:40.55 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/ (BUGS): add amusing shot-drop bug |
| 15:41.25 | learnerAtWork | all of sf seems to be acting rather flaky -- I'm having trouble getting the website to respond as well |
| 15:41.27 | patlabor221 | cookies? |
| 15:41.58 | learnerAtWork | "personal favors" to influence grades, ches? :) |
| 15:42.11 | patlabor221 | wow, multiple files in bzfs lookit that |
| 15:42.29 | Chestal | no, it is from a bzflag player (whose identiy I will not reveal at this point, want to thank him first :-) |
| 15:42.36 | learnerAtWork | I started madness |
| 15:42.48 | captain_proton | Chestal: whatcha get? |
| 15:43.06 | Chestal | captain_proton: B.A.f.H. (book) |
| 15:43.20 | captain_proton | whats that stand for? |
| 15:44.25 | Chestal | "Bastard Assistant from Hell", it's about an assistent at a German University |
| 15:44.43 | captain_proton | heh |
| 15:44.52 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): whoops, don't leave code commented out |
| 15:45.33 | Chestal | proton: any idea what this 'add brown, cyan... teams' commit of MAC was all about? all it did was to break bzfs.cxx by removing some header files |
| 15:45.55 | captain_proton | Chestal: he was making a joke with the message |
| 15:46.02 | captain_proton | and i don't know why he removed all those includes |
| 15:46.10 | Chestal | well, I added them again :-) |
| 15:47.04 | Chestal | hmm, roaming keys have changed, I am not sure I like that |
| 15:47.15 | captain_proton | Chestal: temporarily |
| 15:47.34 | captain_proton | until we do the super-whoopie-keybind-event-subscription thing |
| 15:47.44 | Chestal | I saw the scxoreboard for dead players has been discudssed briefly? |
| 15:48.00 | captain_proton | MAC was wondering if we could rip out DeadPlayer, iirc |
| 15:48.01 | Chestal | I had several players asking me whether we could put it back |
| 15:48.25 | captain_proton | i think its a very silly thing |
| 15:48.28 | learnerAtWork | ah.. cap still remembers from last night. yay |
| 15:48.29 | Chestal | maybe have 3 states? no scoreboard, only active players, all players? |
| 15:48.35 | captain_proton | those players are no longer in the game :P |
| 15:48.55 | Chestal | proton: well, ony obvious reason to want tohave it is to see the score of a player that has left |
| 15:49.25 | captain_proton | one compromise would be to keep dead players around for a couple minutes |
| 15:50.05 | Chestal | the information is still used when a players rejoins AFAIK, for the relative score |
| 15:50.19 | captain_proton | harumph |
| 15:50.28 | Chestal | but I am not sure, if that is needed |
| 15:50.36 | Chestal | it's actually quite confusing sometimes |
| 15:50.47 | Chestal | it's only a few bytes |
| 15:50.59 | captain_proton | per player |
| 15:51.12 | captain_proton | what happens if you leave a client running for a week? the footprint gets a good deal bigger... |
| 15:51.14 | Chestal | this whole word filter stuff is not active by default, is it? |
| 15:51.16 | learnerAtWork | I can show you "balooning".. :) |
| 15:51.24 | learnerAtWork | 590mb of it .. :) |
| 15:51.30 | Chestal | well, it should obviously have some means of removing old entries |
| 15:51.59 | Chestal | depending on font sizes and screen resolution, more than 10-20 old players do not fit on the screen anyway |
| 15:52.09 | learnerAtWork | w00t... "Welcome to the \"BZFlag-commits\"" |
| 15:52.57 | Chestal | proton: so, when will the migration to BZDB be finished? |
| 15:55.32 | captain_proton | Chestal: today =) |
| 15:56.51 | patlabor221 | there now we won't get a crash if the world changes format but the protocoll dosn't :) |
| 15:57.09 | patlabor221 | where was the wiki page with the world send protocoll? |
| 15:58.18 | captain_proton | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress_2fNetworkProtocol |
| 15:59.23 | patlabor221 | I made the first thing it sends is a "mapVersion", and moved all the shoot thru and drive thu stuff into a bitmask |
| 15:59.53 | patlabor221 | if the map versions don't match, you get the "error downloading database" message |
| 16:00.34 | captain_proton | perhaps it would be better to have one u16 'protocol version' field? |
| 16:00.45 | captain_proton | that would get bumped whenever someone made a protocol change? |
| 16:00.56 | patlabor221 | yeah to the map data |
| 16:01.15 | patlabor221 | we just have the string now |
| 16:01.26 | patlabor221 | we need something |
| 16:01.43 | captain_proton | well - it seems like it should be able to span over more than just the world-download messages |
| 16:01.53 | patlabor221 | agreed |
| 16:05.07 | bzzdoug | patlabor221: you have the RH 9 ISOs? |
| 16:05.12 | patlabor221 | somewhere |
| 16:05.31 | bzzdoug | k |
| 16:05.42 | captain_proton | time to head in to work |
| 16:07.06 | bzzdoug | how fast is your upload? |
| 16:07.33 | patlabor221 | why don't you get them from RHN |
| 16:07.44 | bzzdoug | too slow |
| 16:07.45 | bzzdoug | :) |
| 16:07.51 | patlabor221 | how fast? |
| 16:07.56 | bzzdoug | 75 kbs |
| 16:08.06 | patlabor221 | ain't gonna get faster then that from me |
| 16:08.08 | david_v | slow? :) |
| 16:08.14 | patlabor221 | just wait it out |
| 16:08.24 | bzzdoug | 2 hours per iso?! :P |
| 16:08.37 | david_v | why not? :) |
| 16:08.50 | fiberchunks | download mandrake if you need an .iso directly -- their mirrors are usually very good |
| 16:09.06 | bzzdoug | well, the boss man requested redhat 9 :) |
| 16:09.11 | david_v | heh |
| 16:09.15 | bzzdoug | so I plan on sucking up all the T1 to get it |
| 16:09.22 | fiberchunks | then stop chatting, and get to downloading |
| 16:09.24 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 16:09.25 | patlabor221 | you will live wanker boy |
| 16:10.00 | bzzdoug | :) |
| 16:10.16 | david_v | bzzdoug: shouldn't you be able to get three ISOs at 75 kBps each? |
| 16:10.25 | david_v | so that's two hours for three ISOs |
| 16:10.53 | bzzdoug | in thery, but the server end slows down to 3 kbs on the other downloads |
| 16:11.24 | david_v | try three different IPs if possible :) |
| 16:11.34 | bzzdoug | hmmmm |
| 16:12.00 | bzzdoug | I do have the backup wireless avalible :) |
| 16:12.04 | david_v | hehe |
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| 16:13.42 | david_v | well gtg, good luck with the d/ls ;) |
| 16:13.46 | bzzdoug | heh |
| 16:13.47 | bzzdoug | cya |
| 16:13.53 | david_v | bye |
| 16:15.09 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): Moved all object opts into a single 1 byte bitmask, added map version so we don't crash |
| 16:19.48 | patlabor221 | now to work on some scrawl |
| 16:20.02 | fiberchunks | penmanship? ;) |
| 16:20.11 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:20.19 | patlabor221 | scrawl is na editor |
| 16:20.30 | fiberchunks | ah -- leenox or windoze |
| 16:20.33 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:20.38 | patlabor221 | :) |
| 16:20.39 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 16:20.58 | patlabor221 | well I should say it could be lin, I don't have a X version of LGE |
| 16:21.12 | fiberchunks | ah -- you're editor? |
| 16:21.17 | fiberchunks | s/you're/your |
| 16:21.19 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:21.24 | fiberchunks | nifty |
| 16:21.33 | patlabor221 | the framework BZedit should have used |
| 16:21.43 | patlabor221 | I made it to be more portable then BZedit |
| 16:22.04 | fiberchunks | yay! ;) |
| 16:22.18 | patlabor221 | the MFC that scares the text heads, is all wraped up safe so they don't have to see it |
| 16:22.42 | fiberchunks | is this going to be some sort of bzedit replacement? |
| 16:22.46 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:22.52 | patlabor221 | well you never know |
| 16:22.57 | fiberchunks | ah, then why the motivation? |
| 16:23.00 | patlabor221 | but it dosn't edit BZ style worlds |
| 16:23.42 | patlabor221 | it is going to edit something a bit "difrent" |
| 16:23.43 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/sample.jpg |
| 16:24.27 | fiberchunks | schpiffy -- what's that of? |
| 16:24.41 | patlabor221 | just sample geometry |
| 16:25.10 | fiberchunks | looks like the house I wanna build one day ;) |
| 16:25.18 | fiberchunks | cept it isn't underground |
| 16:25.20 | patlabor221 | well I asume you want a roof |
| 16:25.40 | fiberchunks | yes, that would help :) |
| 16:26.21 | patlabor221 | but first it is time for a new playlist |
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| 16:29.11 | fiberchunks | ah, geez patlabor221, you haven't even changed the bzbb link on artemisgames yet ;) |
| 16:29.24 | learnerAtWork | wow.. bzflag-commits is rather useful! |
| 16:30.00 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 16:30.10 | patlabor221 | I rarely even go there anymore :) |
| 16:31.44 | patlabor221 | there fixed |
| 16:32.21 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 16:32.40 | patlabor221 | it's all ASP so I rarely edit the page |
| 16:34.05 | learnerAtWork | yuck |
| 16:35.56 | patlabor221 | you are smarter then the average bear :) |
| 16:37.43 | bzzdoug | ulch, that meat was tainted, you feel deathly ill |
| 16:38.19 | fiberchunks | patlabor221> where should those DLLs in DLLKit go for wine -- Windows dir? |
| 16:38.41 | patlabor221 | they can go there or in the app dir |
| 16:38.50 | fiberchunks | k |
| 16:39.22 | fiberchunks | just cp that entire 'DLL Kit' directory to the app folder? |
| 16:39.35 | patlabor221 | not the dir |
| 16:39.39 | patlabor221 | the loose DLLs |
| 16:39.43 | fiberchunks | coolio |
| 16:39.44 | patlabor221 | it dosn't know to search sub dirs |
| 16:40.15 | prot-work | wow... |
| 16:40.23 | prot-work | patlabor221: do we really need a u32 for map version? |
| 16:40.41 | patlabor221 | it should be a short |
| 16:40.47 | patlabor221 | when its' packed |
| 16:40.49 | prot-work | you put 4 bytes in the protocol doc |
| 16:40.52 | patlabor221 | I did? |
| 16:40.58 | patlabor221 | I am soo lame |
| 16:41.00 | patlabor221 | I will fix |
| 16:41.31 | patlabor221 | editing that thing with the bits is a pain :) |
| 16:42.10 | prot-work | well - tim has an alternative format above ;) |
| 16:42.31 | patlabor221 | I like that |
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| 16:45.37 | patlabor221 | is server time a float? |
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| 16:46.49 | patlabor221 | there, changed it to the nice format :) |
| 16:48.29 | prot-work | i don't think world size is a float... |
| 16:49.39 | prot-work | hmm maybe it is |
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| 16:53.34 | patlabor221 | how I hate this computer |
| 16:53.53 | learnerAtWork | we hate it too |
| 16:54.04 | JBDiGriz | I thought you had the new great machine! |
| 16:54.09 | patlabor221 | every so often random restarts |
| 16:54.12 | patlabor221 | that's at home |
| 16:54.17 | patlabor221 | I'm at work now |
| 16:54.27 | patlabor221 | flakey P4 2.53 |
| 16:54.36 | bzzdoug | does it bluescreen? |
| 16:54.41 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 16:54.42 | learnerAtWork | pat needs an os x box -- none of that random stuff -- only reliable ones! :) |
| 16:54.45 | patlabor221 | I know what it is doug |
| 16:54.52 | patlabor221 | it's not the OS |
| 16:54.54 | patlabor221 | it's hardware |
| 16:54.57 | bzzdoug | ew |
| 16:55.09 | learnerAtWork | sure.. that's what they all say |
| 16:55.14 | patlabor221 | no it is, |
| 16:55.16 | patlabor221 | mobo |
| 16:55.20 | patlabor221 | new one is on order |
| 16:55.31 | learnerAtWork | yet you continue to use it.. heheh |
| 16:55.40 | patlabor221 | I have no choice |
| 16:55.46 | patlabor221 | it is the company computer |
| 16:55.48 | JBDiGriz | Have you tried Darwin? |
| 16:55.58 | patlabor221 | umm no |
| 16:56.00 | bzzdoug | JBDiGriz: oh... shaddup :P |
| 16:56.07 | patlabor221 | no, I just need a new mobo |
| 16:56.16 | learnerAtWork | I'd want a hammer |
| 16:56.16 | bzzdoug | JBDiGriz: darwin doesnt have aqua! :( |
| 16:56.32 | learnerAtWork | bzzdoug: that's a blessing and an evil |
| 16:56.38 | bzzdoug | If I had a hammer! |
| 16:56.41 | patlabor221 | so eager to bust up taxpayer money with a hammer? :) |
| 16:56.45 | JBDiGriz | Does doug change his nick every day to make me add him to ignore daily? |
| 16:57.00 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 16:57.01 | learnerAtWork | I have a nice shiny hammer I could lend you |
| 16:57.06 | bzzdoug | JBDiGriz: heh |
| 16:57.15 | JBDiGriz | aqua isn't part of the OS. |
| 16:57.24 | patlabor221 | cap, world size is a float I was gonna say before I restarted. I checked the code |
| 16:57.34 | prot-work | yes! get darwin! it almost looks like unix! |
| 16:57.35 | patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.40 | bzzdoug | yea yea, darwin in the unlying OS to aqua |
| 16:57.50 | prot-work | patlabor221: yeah, i found that |
| 16:57.57 | bzzdoug | and all that fancy pretty stuff :) |
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| 16:58.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 16:58.08 | patlabor221 | so the doc should be accurate now |
| 16:58.13 | patlabor221 | and in Tims new format |
| 16:58.24 | patlabor221 | at least for the world part |
| 16:59.08 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: bzflag -zoom 2 ;) |
| 17:00.16 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: First step, don't let them know you're "conning" them |
| 17:00.19 | bzzdoug | when someone = prot-work then make alternitive OS parts :) |
| 17:00.32 | patlabor221 | naw I think people respond well to the truth |
| 17:00.38 | patlabor221 | they think it's a "joke" |
| 17:00.42 | learnerAtWork | heh, cap -- not what I meant |
| 17:00.48 | patlabor221 | I find it breaks the ice well :) |
| 17:00.52 | *** part/#bzflag sik (~skammerdi@proxyr.kodak.com) |
| 17:00.57 | patlabor221 | actualy it dosn't have to be cap |
| 17:01.06 | patlabor221 | I'm sure he has a lot to do |
| 17:01.19 | bzzdoug | like code bzflag :P |
| 17:01.26 | patlabor221 | like get payed |
| 17:01.33 | patlabor221 | and watch tennis girls |
| 17:01.53 | bzzdoug | hah |
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| 17:02.12 | fiberchunks | mmmmmm, tennis girls |
| 17:02.36 | patlabor221 | tho it's not realy a "port" for scrawl, it's more like implemting the interface on other OSs, cus these are the parts that arn't portable |
| 17:05.06 | fiberchunks | so I met this guy in NC, who drinks heavily diluted, food-grade hydrogen peroxide about 6 times a day -- |
| 17:05.22 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 17:05.49 | fiberchunks | for health, I imagine -- I didn't really ask -- anyone who drinks hydro-peroxide that much scares me ;) |
| 17:05.59 | patlabor221 | humans are WIERD |
| 17:06.08 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 17:06.31 | fiberchunks | reason I mention that is that I sit here, looking at my big ole bottle of peroxide, going 'hmmmmmmmm' |
| 17:09.27 | larsl_56k | Why are the bzflag mailing lists "not yet archived"? Not high enough traffic? |
| 17:12.24 | prot-work | larsl_56k: they should be... |
| 17:12.40 | prot-work | its probably sourceforge dicking around again |
| 17:13.36 | learnerAtWork | fiber: "Hmmmmm" OR "Mmmmmmmm" :) |
| 17:14.54 | JBDiGriz | I can't get to sf right now, but on Tuesday TimRiker fixed the mailing lists so they were archived again. |
| 17:15.36 | larsl_56k | Maybe the archives won't appear until the end of the month. |
| 17:16.06 | JBDiGriz | They appeared immediately after being fixed. Who knows what sf is doing to the interface? |
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| 17:18.08 | larsl_56k | They're not letting me subscribe either, I clicked the button 10 minutes ago and Mozilla still says "Waiting for reply". |
| 17:18.50 | learnerAtWork | I was having trouble earlier with sf today |
| 17:18.57 | learnerAtWork | it's being a bitch |
| 17:19.18 | learnerAtWork | after a few retries, it would eventually work |
| 17:19.28 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: There's a new theory about stonehenge in the news today. |
| 17:19.39 | patlabor221 | aliens? |
| 17:19.44 | sussudio | bunnies? |
| 17:19.46 | learnerAtWork | it was me |
| 17:19.59 | JBDiGriz | http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/science/07/10/stonehenge.fertility.reut/index.html |
| 17:20.39 | patlabor221 | I see |
| 17:20.43 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 17:24.35 | fiberchunks | neat |
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| 17:29.09 | larsl_56k | Very slowly. |
| 17:31.03 | fiberchunks | or is that uber-retarded |
| 17:31.04 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 17:31.12 | learnerAtWork | shush you |
| 17:31.14 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 17:31.34 | learnerAtWork | cap would have us all migrate to "that other version control system" |
| 17:31.35 | fiberchunks | oh yeah, then I'd be kicked instead of sf -- no thanks |
| 17:31.43 | fiberchunks | subversion ;) |
| 17:32.00 | JBDiGriz | Do you have a site which can host it? |
| 17:32.01 | learnerAtWork | shush you :) |
| 17:32.25 | fiberchunks | no, I don't -- but with all these monster servers out there, I'm sure one of the kind bzflaggers would |
| 17:32.41 | fiberchunks | e.g. nidhoggr, or razzberry (www.linuxorbit.com) |
| 17:33.01 | JBDiGriz | Volunteering other people's bandwidth? |
| 17:33.11 | fiberchunks | no, just making a suggestion |
| 17:33.18 | prot-work | the thing is that if we're going to manage our own vcs, we need control over the machine |
| 17:33.26 | fiberchunks | ah, good point |
| 17:34.19 | prot-work | i've sort of lightly suggested we get community donations + apply for a linuxfund grant to get a colocated dev server |
| 17:34.31 | fiberchunks | hey, if I had a T1 and an extra box I'd do it, but my paltry dsl can't handle the upload |
| 17:34.55 | fiberchunks | actually, I have a piii 650 board around here that I'd donate if you want it |
| 17:35.05 | prot-work | but at the same time, cvs sucks =) |
| 17:35.13 | fiberchunks | no case or any other stuff, but the board is there |
| 17:35.16 | fiberchunks | and proc |
| 17:35.38 | prot-work | the machine is not the issue, its the hosting |
| 17:35.50 | fiberchunks | that's what I assumed |
| 17:36.27 | fiberchunks | has anyone asked any of the community about such a thing? |
| 17:36.53 | Mayhem | is it possible to get a copy of the cvsroot from sf? |
| 17:37.11 | learnerAtWork | probably possible to scp it out |
| 17:37.24 | learnerAtWork | but having it on sf is nice |
| 17:37.26 | prot-work | fiberchunks: eh - nidhoggr is probably the only one capable of providing the service we need, and he can't give it out for free |
| 17:37.32 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:37.37 | learnerAtWork | they are just having issues through august |
| 17:37.38 | prot-work | i'm not comfortable just handing it off to some random person |
| 17:37.57 | fiberchunks | makes sense |
| 17:38.15 | prot-work | bah |
| 17:38.28 | prot-work | and while we're waiting for august, i can't get anything done because the freakin' server doesn't work |
| 17:38.31 | prot-work | *(@#&%*()&Y*(#&%()@#*& |
| 17:38.43 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> they are having 'issues' through august, but they have 'issues' all the time |
| 17:38.52 | larsl_56k | What's going to happen in august? |
| 17:38.57 | JBDiGriz | sf will keep having issues beyond august. We'll always want something more than they provide. |
| 17:39.01 | learnerAtWork | larsl_56k: new issues |
| 17:39.09 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 17:39.16 | prot-work | supposedly in august they get new machines for their cvs servers |
| 17:39.18 | JBDiGriz | sf is supposed to have new servers installed in august |
| 17:39.37 | JBDiGriz | Anyone who's been involved in scheduling knows what that probably means |
| 17:39.49 | learnerAtWork | and my cvs update every ten minutes multiplied by a thousand probably doesn't help |
| 17:40.10 | prot-work | well - i'm happy to work with what sourceforge provides, and we can farm out things elsewhere |
| 17:40.26 | prot-work | but when i can't cvs up at all, it makes things hard |
| 17:41.18 | fiberchunks | the price of 'free' I suppose |
| 17:41.46 | larsl_56k | I wonder if Savannah would be better? |
| 17:42.07 | JBDiGriz | larsl_56k: What's Savannah? |
| 17:42.23 | larsl_56k | FSF's SF clone. |
| 17:42.25 | learnerAtWork | wow, it's acting like anonymous now |
| 17:42.34 | learnerAtWork | if you try often enough, it works :) |
| 17:42.39 | learnerAtWork | eventually |
| 17:43.02 | prot-work | i've been trying constantly for about 20 minutes |
| 17:43.14 | learnerAtWork | I was just able to, cap :) |
| 17:43.17 | learnerAtWork | :P |
| 17:43.22 | Mayhem | There are many SF clones, eg. berlios.de |
| 17:43.23 | prot-work | larsl_56k: to get on savannah, your project needs to be part of gnu |
| 17:43.33 | larsl_56k | savannah.nongnu.org |
| 17:43.46 | prot-work | oh -that- savannah |
| 17:43.50 | learnerAtWork | try faster |
| 17:43.55 | prot-work | i thought you were talking about savannah.gnu.org ;) |
| 17:44.58 | fiberchunks | hehe, the fist wants the subversion ;) |
| 17:48.02 | JBDiGriz | It's not clear if there are "political" ramifications to savannah. |
| 17:50.07 | fiberchunks | what do you mean -- and where is that info? |
| 17:51.15 | JBDiGriz | We would need to provide tech support to our developers to use berlios, I don't speak German :-( |
| 17:52.03 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: I was looking through the coding standards, but it isn't clear what the process is for "accepting" a project. |
| 17:52.13 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:52.22 | Mayhem | JBDiGriz: I don't speak (much) German either, but there are English versions of the pages |
| 17:52.30 | larsl_56k | Don't the coding standards only apply to GNU projects? |
| 17:53.00 | prot-work | FINALLY |
| 17:53.03 | prot-work | my update finished |
| 17:53.15 | JBDiGriz | Not from my first read of the Savannah non-GNU site. I don't mind the GNU philosophy, but I don't want to force it on everyone. |
| 17:55.28 | JBDiGriz | Mayhem: Well there are Germlish versions of the pages, but I think I could deal with those. Thanks for the reference! |
| 17:55.56 | fiberchunks | well, I would imply that if it's categorized under the 'gnu software' section that it must comply fully, and that if under 'non-gnu' software, that it doesn't in some regard |
| 17:56.45 | prot-work | well - it looks like registering for nongnu includes applying for gnu |
| 17:56.54 | prot-work | and we do some things that don't sit well with gnu |
| 17:56.58 | prot-work | like our vc++ project files |
| 17:57.11 | Mayhem | while I'm at it I'll plug another project I like to tinker with: http://developer.berlios.de/projects/dcgui/ |
| 17:57.17 | JBDiGriz | I have saved the sites, and I'll search them more fully later. My first glance was that gnu software would be distributed with gnu-linux |
| 17:57.34 | larsl_56k | prot-work: There is a list of registered non-gnu projects. |
| 17:57.38 | larsl_56k | 1462 of them. |
| 17:57.40 | prot-work | "a GNU progream should not recommend the use of any non-free program" |
| 17:58.03 | prot-work | larsl_56k: but what i'm not sure about is whether nongnu wants stuff that isn't aiming to be gnu |
| 17:58.06 | fiberchunks | prot-work> we don't recommend the use of VC++, it's just that it builds for windows |
| 17:58.49 | Chestal | the net meeting is this Saturday? |
| 17:58.51 | Mayhem | quote: This web site (called Savannah) is a central point for development, distribution and maintenance of Free Software that runs on free operating systems. |
| 17:59.01 | prot-work | at any rate |
| 17:59.15 | prot-work | looking at the savannah front page, they seem to have at least as many problems as sf |
| 17:59.19 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: yes, 1900 UTC, rtft |
| 17:59.34 | JBDiGriz | :-) |
| 17:59.40 | Chestal | k, must schedule my movies accordingly |
| 18:00.23 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: You're probably not the only one! |
| 18:01.55 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: Would it make more sense to forward the commit email into a bot which then schedules the update? |
| 18:02.14 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@216.228.183.148) |
| 18:02.22 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: you had me set you up for email notification, why don't you use it? ;) |
| 18:02.23 | *** join/#bzflag metal_magic (magic@e118.brno.mistral.cz) |
| 18:02.42 | metal_magic | ches are u here? |
| 18:02.47 | learnerAtWork | JBDiGriz: of course it would |
| 18:03.06 | learnerAtWork | I've yet to do the e-mail rerouting.. :( |
| 18:03.15 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: What needs to be set up, besides subscribing to the commit mailing list? |
| 18:03.36 | Chestal | metal: yes |
| 18:03.37 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: well - the commit mailing list is a pain, because you may get many emails for a single commit |
| 18:04.15 | metal_magic | how are you? haven't heard of you for months. :-) |
| 18:04.26 | metal_magic | Chestal: i have a question. |
| 18:04.43 | prot-work | metal_magic: the answer is "no, thats disgusting" |
| 18:04.54 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 18:04.57 | JBDiGriz | Subscribe bz_commits@mydomain.xxx to the commit mailing list. Whenever it receives anything, it tosses the mail and schedules a cvs update to occur in 10 minutes. |
| 18:05.06 | fiberchunks | prot-work> are you about to make a new snap? |
| 18:05.10 | fiberchunks | for today, that is |
| 18:05.17 | prot-work | huh? |
| 18:05.19 | prot-work | snaps are automatic |
| 18:05.44 | fiberchunks | ah, k, I'll get the 9th then |
| 18:05.58 | metal_magic | Chestal: oh, what's disgusting? you know my question? :-) |
| 18:06.35 | metal_magic | Chestal: i guess you still have your bot Paul |
| 18:06.37 | JBDiGriz | I only have about 100 email aliases. I don't even qualify for the aaa leagues. :-P |
| 18:06.48 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 18:06.55 | Chestal | metal: hmm, well, I have been here and/or playing, jsut not that often |
| 18:07.09 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): couple more roaming keys |
| 18:07.11 | prot-work | can people test whether F6/F7 still work now? :) |
| 18:07.16 | Chestal | metal: hmm, not sure about my poort bot. I guess I have the code still lying around somewhere, but don't know if it will compile out of the box |
| 18:07.21 | sussudio | do the cursorkeys work again? |
| 18:07.34 | prot-work | sussudio: maybe. try and find out |
| 18:07.37 | metal_magic | Chestal: i would like to put your bot on my server, would it be possible? |
| 18:07.40 | prot-work | you may need to wipe out your 1.9 config |
| 18:07.54 | metal_magic | Chestal: does its license make it possible? |
| 18:08.39 | learnerAtWork | metal_magic: that's disgusting :) |
| 18:08.56 | metal_magic | learnerAtWork: :-) |
| 18:09.30 | metal_magic | Chestal: I am runnig a server on e118.brno.mistral.cz |
| 18:09.36 | metal_magic | Chestal: but have slow connection |
| 18:10.04 | Chestal | metal: hmm, well, it's basically an old bzflag version which I have modified |
| 18:10.05 | learnerAtWork | hey... the mistral admin... |
| 18:10.24 | Chestal | metal: I could give you the sources. I don't quite remember, has been some tiem since someone wanted to get the bot to work |
| 18:10.25 | metal_magic | Chestal: it is CTF league rules server. so I would like to put one bot in each team to have more players :-) |
| 18:10.41 | Chestal | metal_magic: the last person had some problems |
| 18:10.53 | Chestal | metal: the bot will only sit there and shoot, though |
| 18:11.15 | fiberchunks | hrm, why is there no bzflag binary in src/bzflag? |
| 18:11.17 | metal_magic | Chestal: better than nobody sitting there :-) |
| 18:11.48 | metal_magic | Chestal: how big is the source? |
| 18:12.26 | learnerAtWork | not really metal_magic |
| 18:13.02 | learnerAtWork | having no players is disappointing but non-confusing, idiot players can actually confuse some people |
| 18:13.17 | learnerAtWork | frustrating even |
| 18:13.24 | prot-work | hmm |
| 18:13.28 | prot-work | python 2.3 iterators are neat |
| 18:13.48 | learnerAtWork | uh.. cap is getting pulled into scanline's dark side |
| 18:13.54 | prot-work | hehe |
| 18:14.08 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: i'm more attracted to functional programming than scanline is |
| 18:14.10 | learnerAtWork | "stay away from the light" |
| 18:14.28 | learnerAtWork | coool.. not many functional programmers out there |
| 18:14.44 | prot-work | so while scanline is going on about metaclasses, i'm reading about the new functional methods in python |
| 18:15.17 | prot-work | yay for sml/nj |
| 18:15.51 | learnerAtWork | I think I still have some sml/nj code somewhere.. wonder what the that code rater thing would say it's worth... :) |
| 18:16.19 | prot-work | the problem with sml is that you get so much done in so few lines of code... ;) |
| 18:16.23 | fiberchunks | help me out here -- can't get bzflag binary to compile from latest sfsnap |
| 18:16.56 | prot-work | hmm, odd |
| 18:17.02 | metal_magic | learnerAtWork: Paul is not an idiot, he is only a bit static :-) |
| 18:17.05 | prot-work | those snaps are old... |
| 18:17.35 | learnerAtWork | "His name is Robert Paulson" |
| 18:18.28 | metal_magic | Chestal: can u please give me the source? |
| 18:18.41 | Chestal | metal: have to find it first... |
| 18:18.45 | learnerAtWork | cap, indeed very power 5-10 lineers.. :-) |
| 18:19.16 | learnerAtWork | it's a rather different way of thinking, though |
| 18:19.32 | fiberchunks | hrm, can't do it ... I am perplexified |
| 18:21.42 | learnerAtWork | what's the problem fiber? |
| 18:22.09 | prot-work | can people with real compilers test f6/f7 in roaming? |
| 18:22.45 | learnerAtWork | lol |
| 18:23.31 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> using the same method I've used with other snaps, i.e. ./autogen.sh --enable-debug -- the bzflag binary does not get compiled with the latest snap on sfsnap |
| 18:23.57 | larsl_56k | "Unsupported response from server during flag negotiation" - I suppose I have to run my own server? |
| 18:24.15 | prot-work | larsl_56k: brlcad.org should work |
| 18:24.18 | prot-work | xmission is old |
| 18:25.02 | Chestal | metal: I found something, will try to compile it first |
| 18:25.16 | larsl_56k | "Error downloading world database", 5 times in a row. |
| 18:25.17 | prot-work | fiberchunks: grab the latest now |
| 18:25.22 | prot-work | ohh |
| 18:25.34 | prot-work | thats probably because learnerAtWork's isn't up to date with patlabor221's silly change |
| 18:25.37 | prot-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:25.39 | prot-work | run yer own! |
| 18:26.16 | learnerAtWork | yes I am |
| 18:26.29 | learnerAtWork | log out and log back in to cause bzfs to restart |
| 18:26.36 | larsl_56k | prot-work: I'm trying, but the server exits immediately after I start it. |
| 18:26.41 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 18:26.42 | prot-work | hrmph |
| 18:26.45 | learnerAtWork | :P |
| 18:27.04 | prot-work | ohh larsl_56k |
| 18:27.08 | prot-work | it exits if it can't bind |
| 18:27.18 | prot-work | check to see that you don't have a bzfs already running |
| 18:27.43 | larsl_56k | Hehe, I did. |
| 18:28.09 | larsl_56k | Now bzflag segfaults when I join though. |
| 18:29.12 | larsl_56k | #4 0x0805397e in World::initFlag(int) (this=0x85fdc88, index=0) at World.cxx:392 |
| 18:29.48 | Chestal | metal: join me on ducati 5155 for a quick test |
| 18:30.00 | metal_magic | Chestal: OK |
| 18:31.43 | fiberchunks | segfault as well trying to join learners server (thx for the new snap prot-work) |
| 18:32.19 | prot-work | 392... |
| 18:32.29 | fiberchunks | 0x0814914e in FlagSceneNode::setColor(float, float, float, float) (this=0xc3b787e4, r=1, g=1, b=1, |
| 18:32.29 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.02 | prot-work | what about traceback items 0-2? |
| 18:33.23 | fiberchunks | #0 0x0814914e in FlagSceneNode::setColor(float, float, float, float) (this=0xc3b787e4, r=1, g=1, |
| 18:33.23 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.23 | fiberchunks | #1 0x0805387a in World::initFlag(int) (this=0x8600bc8, index=0) at World.cxx:392 |
| 18:33.23 | fiberchunks | #2 0x080a020a in enterServer (serverLink=0x85cfe90, world=0x8600bc8, myTank=0x86062d0) |
| 18:33.23 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:33.42 | larsl_56k | 0-3 in my core is kill(), raise(), dying(), __libc_sigaction(). |
| 18:34.18 | larsl_56k | Looks like flagNodes[index] isn't allocated (or initialized). |
| 18:34.44 | sussudio | cvs snap bzflag crashes on me :-| |
| 18:36.52 | prot-work | can someone tell me what world->maxFlags is set to at World.cxx:780? |
| 18:37.47 | prot-work | i'm betting what happened is that patlabor221 is packing mapVersion on the server and not unpacking on the client |
| 18:38.23 | prot-work | hmm... |
| 18:38.26 | prot-work | no, thats not it |
| 18:39.00 | learnerAtWork | Hmmm.. me didn't see any communication to client before client died |
| 18:39.21 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/crash1.png |
| 18:39.23 | sussudio | snort. |
| 18:39.26 | fiberchunks | did you just get my attempt to connect to you learnerAtWork? |
| 18:39.39 | learnerAtWork | yes |
| 18:39.48 | prot-work | sussudio: we're working on it |
| 18:39.54 | prot-work | snorting won't help :P |
| 18:40.09 | learnerAtWork | mmm. null pointer being dereferenced according to that pic |
| 18:40.10 | JBDiGriz | That depends on what he's snorting. |
| 18:40.16 | sussudio | bunnydust |
| 18:40.40 | JBDiGriz | The stuff you find on the bottom of the rabbit hutch? |
| 18:40.59 | learnerAtWork | perhaps it's related to the singleton stuff that pat was complaining about last night cap? |
| 18:41.10 | sussudio | no. it's what's left after you shove bunnies into an incinerator |
| 18:42.43 | Chestal | metal: the code is a patched 1.7e5 client |
| 18:42.53 | metal_magic | Chestal: so can you please send me a patch to mkolaja@mistral.cz? |
| 18:43.09 | Chestal | metal: so it probably won't be god enough to just give you the changes source files, because combining it with 1.7g2 soruces would fail |
| 18:43.47 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): pack things in the same order that we unpack |
| 18:43.51 | metal_magic | Chestal: so I can patch it against 1.7e5 |
| 18:43.52 | prot-work | try it now |
| 18:44.33 | metal_magic | Chestal: i hope 1.7e5 sources are available somewhere :-) |
| 18:44.45 | Chestal | metal: ftp://ftp.unix-ag.org/user/thilo/bots.tgz is the tarball I prepared a long time ago |
| 18:44.55 | learnerAtWork | updated |
| 18:44.56 | Chestal | metal: but it only contains the changed source files and a small readme I think |
| 18:45.09 | learnerAtWork | fiber, give it a try |
| 18:45.15 | Chestal | metal: well, e5 itself was a dev version, so there really is no such thign as "the" e5 |
| 18:45.23 | learnerAtWork | yeay |
| 18:45.30 | Chestal | metal: alternatively I coudl just make a big tarball of my local directory |
| 18:45.32 | prot-work | patlabor221: did you even test it before you committed mapVersion? :P |
| 18:45.44 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: i assume it works now? |
| 18:45.45 | learnerAtWork | sheeeeeeeeett..that extra -d ... makes .. a difference |
| 18:45.51 | Chestal | testing _before_ comitting? *gasp* |
| 18:46.01 | prot-work | Chestal: i know, its weird! |
| 18:46.17 | prot-work | now could people test the f6/f7 change i committed? =) |
| 18:46.18 | fiberchunks | works -- but what's with the lack of textures? |
| 18:46.19 | learnerAtWork | cap, fiber seems to have successfully connected |
| 18:46.39 | learnerAtWork | shutting server down to get rid of 4th -d.. |
| 18:46.49 | metal_magic | Chestal: maybe it would work with e4 |
| 18:46.55 | Chestal | metal: maybe |
| 18:46.58 | prot-work | fiberchunks: probably you need to run with a proper datadir path |
| 18:47.11 | fiberchunks | -directory ../../data |
| 18:47.15 | metal_magic | Chestal: got it, thak you, ches |
| 18:47.17 | fiberchunks | is that not correct anymore? |
| 18:47.20 | Chestal | metal: you coudl downlaod the small tarball and try with e4 and coem back if you have problems, then I would prepare the full tarball |
| 18:47.23 | prot-work | should world... |
| 18:47.27 | prot-work | s/world/work |
| 18:47.31 | learnerAtWork | sry for the kicks, fiber |
| 18:47.35 | fiberchunks | np |
| 18:47.40 | fiberchunks | rejoining |
| 18:47.46 | prot-work | its possible something got geeked with bzdb |
| 18:47.47 | learnerAtWork | had to get rid of the debug option -- way too much blather |
| 18:47.58 | Chestal | metal: if you know some c++ you could change it to only become active when teamsizes are different or something |
| 18:49.01 | fiberchunks | oooo, neat -- f6 and f7 don't do anything, as no one else is on server for me to observe ;) |
| 18:49.42 | fiberchunks | also, it seems that alt-<uparrow> causes me to float up non-stop until I issue alt-<downarrow> -- same with shift-<arrowkey> |
| 18:50.02 | prot-work | fiberchunks: hmm, sounds like the 'up' bindings aren't correct |
| 18:50.27 | metal_magic | Chestal: i am not a programer, i will be happy if i compile it :-) |
| 18:51.23 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@172-58.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 18:51.32 | fiberchunks | prot-work> same with side motion as well -- also note that I cannot rotate for some reason |
| 18:51.47 | JBDiGriz | The lack of textures might be related to a similar problem I observed with MacOS. Try setting all of the options, saving, and then setting the options for what you want. |
| 18:52.14 | fiberchunks | well, upon restart of the client -- textures are now there -- same command, by the way |
| 18:52.45 | JBDiGriz | It's the config file. Try removing it and restarting. |
| 18:53.00 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> essentially, I did just what you mentioned. Setting the options in the menu does not change the settings dynamically, it seems |
| 18:53.09 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> yah, works |
| 18:53.50 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: It changes them, but not in the way I expected. I had to play with entering and exitting the game before I saw the changes. |
| 18:54.19 | fiberchunks | prot-work> seems to be, that if you remove the shift key, and still hold down the directional key, then you continue moving - you _can_ release the arrow key and continue motion afterwards |
| 18:54.55 | fiberchunks | e.g. hold down shift+<leftarrow> release shift, release arrow -- will continue moving |
| 18:55.40 | fiberchunks | no rotation, and no forward / backward motion at all |
| 18:56.16 | fiberchunks | just side-side and up-down |
| 18:56.20 | fiberchunks | in ob mode anyway |
| 18:57.47 | Michaelh | <inserty whitty comment here> |
| 18:58.37 | bryjen | ~dict whit |
| 18:58.45 | JBDiGriz | ~dict wit |
| 18:59.10 | JBDiGriz | He did insert a "whitty" comment |
| 18:59.44 | fiberchunks | an, nm, rotation works if I hold the ctrl+<directional>, so scratch that comment -- but I still can't figure out forward / backward motion |
| 19:00.15 | fiberchunks | unless I rotate, then move side to side |
| 19:00.32 | bryjen | XY movement used to be shift+ and Z was alt+up/dn |
| 19:01.26 | fiberchunks | hrm, now shift+<left arrow> sends me right, and vice versa |
| 19:02.01 | learnerAtWork | if we reverse up and down, you just have to flip your keyboard |
| 19:02.25 | fiberchunks | entirely true -- forward / backward works -- I just forgot what to slap in shift+up|down |
| 19:02.54 | fiberchunks | it's tough to type upsidedown ;) |
| 19:03.05 | learnerAtWork | downsideup? |
| 19:03.12 | fiberchunks | diagonalways |
| 19:03.15 | fiberchunks | slantways |
| 19:03.41 | JBDiGriz | If there's no gravity, which way is down? |
| 19:04.34 | learnerAtWork | it's in the oppposite direction of anti-gravity |
| 19:04.53 | fiberchunks | ah, if you pass through rotation Z == 0 (I think), the left-right motion inverts itself |
| 19:05.59 | prot-work | fiberchunks: ok, thats because of how it temporarily works |
| 19:06.09 | fiberchunks | ic |
| 19:06.11 | prot-work | when we do the multi-scoped-binding-thing it'll work |
| 19:06.39 | fiberchunks | learnerAtWork> can you join as regular player, so I can do this f6 f7 thing prot-work wants me to do |
| 19:06.44 | fiberchunks | s/me/us |
| 19:06.45 | learnerAtWork | nope |
| 19:07.48 | fiberchunks | bryjen is on, but paused -- f6 and f7 seem to have no effect |
| 19:08.05 | bryjen | only 1 player |
| 19:08.08 | fiberchunks | wait, wouldn't you need >1 players to use f6 f7 ? |
| 19:08.10 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 19:08.31 | bryjen | I tried starting a second client, but it sefaulted |
| 19:09.09 | fiberchunks | flag still drops on shot fired (but you all knew that) |
| 19:09.28 | bryjen | w00t! I'm driving thru the boxes?!? |
| 19:09.34 | fiberchunks | yes he is ;) |
| 19:09.39 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-172-6.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 19:09.54 | learnerAtWork | need me to kick the cheater? :) |
| 19:09.59 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 19:10.24 | bryjen | and shooting thru them too! |
| 19:10.29 | fiberchunks | anything else I can test? |
| 19:10.50 | learnerAtWork | sounds like you didn't get the map bryjen |
| 19:11.01 | learnerAtWork | or it wasn't initialized properly or something similar |
| 19:11.22 | fiberchunks | I can do it as well |
| 19:11.29 | fiberchunks | fyi |
| 19:11.46 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-173-50.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 19:12.02 | learnerAtWork | TWO cheaters... rebelious h4(k0rs |
| 19:12.27 | fiberchunks | note that key motion as a regular player is like playing with 'slo-mo' on all the time (even with V) |
| 19:13.27 | fiberchunks | scratch that -- V does increase velocity, but it's still painful slow (so does A) |
| 19:14.05 | learnerAtWork | I'm really helpful |
| 19:14.24 | fiberchunks | mouse motion, of course, works fine |
| 19:14.34 | prot-work | a switches between slow & non-slow |
| 19:14.47 | prot-work | "a" key |
| 19:15.07 | fiberchunks | hrm, started me off in 'slow' mode, but indeed prot-work, you're correct -- that solves it |
| 19:15.27 | learnerAtWork | you making up key binding as you go along, cap? |
| 19:15.36 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: no |
| 19:15.41 | learnerAtWork | "a" ? |
| 19:15.47 | prot-work | that was the default |
| 19:15.48 | fiberchunks | no, that's been there - I usually map it to d |
| 19:15.54 | fiberchunks | hence my confusion |
| 19:16.10 | prot-work | odd that it started on slow mode... |
| 19:16.15 | fiberchunks | what's the line for specifying a certain config file to use? |
| 19:16.23 | bryjen | pyramids all upsidedown fiber? |
| 19:16.25 | fiberchunks | -bzconf? |
| 19:16.29 | prot-work | ...certain config file... ? |
| 19:16.45 | prot-work | there is no such argument, iirc |
| 19:16.47 | fiberchunks | isn't there a switch to use a config file other than the default? |
| 19:17.01 | fiberchunks | oh, that was -bzdb or something, my bad |
| 19:17.16 | prot-work | bzfs allows you to specify a config file... |
| 19:17.20 | learnerAtWork | -conf |
| 19:17.47 | fiberchunks | yah, I got confused (yet again), sorry |
| 19:18.30 | prot-work | the default db items has it turned off |
| 19:18.32 | prot-work | so i dunno |
| 19:18.36 | prot-work | maybe you hit a or something |
| 19:19.02 | learnerAtWork | bzflag-cops reply: |
| 19:19.07 | learnerAtWork | "Your request has been forwarded to the list administrator for approval" |
| 19:19.12 | learnerAtWork | second time |
| 19:19.14 | fiberchunks | I'm pretty sure I didn't... but daz ok. |
| 19:19.33 | fiberchunks | does bzflag query particular places (i.e. ~/.bzflag) for config files? |
| 19:19.37 | prot-work | yes |
| 19:20.02 | fiberchunks | then I'm definitely wondering why my ~/.bzflag wasn't used when I started up this debug session |
| 19:21.02 | bryjen | ~/.bzflag19 |
| 19:21.10 | fiberchunks | gdb; (gdb) file ./bzflag (gdb) run -directory ../../data -window -geometry 1400x1050 <<< is this the correct way to start this up? |
| 19:21.35 | prot-work | should work |
| 19:21.37 | fiberchunks | sure enough bryjen - didn't know that |
| 19:21.58 | fiberchunks | prot-work> will it query an old config, or just the new ~/.bzflag19 ? |
| 19:22.11 | prot-work | .bzflag is still used for 1 or 2 keyboard bindings |
| 19:22.16 | prot-work | i've been migrating things |
| 19:22.19 | fiberchunks | seems that's what it did, was write a new .bzflag19 config, instead of using the old |
| 19:24.52 | fiberchunks | interesting as well, is that the keymapping in the Options menu is correct per my 'usual' way of playing, but none of the maps work (this is known, yes?) |
| 19:26.43 | fiberchunks | and again, changing them in the config does not 'activate' them, nor does quitting the game, and restarting 'activate' them |
| 19:28.35 | prot-work | thats because the keymap menu hasn't been hooked up to the new stuff at all |
| 19:29.39 | fiberchunks | ah, that makes sense then |
| 19:29.59 | fiberchunks | well, until 2 people join brlcad, I can't test out f6 f7 |
| 19:35.34 | fiberchunks | hrm -- for some reason I can't move at all -- no keyboard, no mouse |
| 19:37.58 | fiberchunks | ~convert 26000 .jp .usd |
| 19:38.19 | fiberchunks | ~exchange 26000 .jp .usd |
| 19:38.25 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 19:38.37 | prot-work | ~change 26000 .jp .usd |
| 19:38.50 | prot-work | ~change 26000 .jp to .usd |
| 19:39.10 | fiberchunks | thanks |
| 19:44.43 | bryjen | looks like all the object are shootthru and drivethru. And all the pyramids are flipz |
| 19:45.15 | fiberchunks | mmmmm, perhaps the new stuff patlabor did broke his other format? dunno |
| 19:45.17 | prot-work | damnit patlabor |
| 19:45.30 | learnerAtWork | that would be the patmeister |
| 19:45.31 | prot-work | it seems he made all these map changes without actually testing any of it |
| 19:45.56 | fiberchunks | that's cause he's on the 'development platform of choice' ;) |
| 19:46.12 | learnerAtWork | palm pilot? |
| 19:46.39 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): while we're at it, break F8 too |
| 19:46.46 | learnerAtWork | :) lol |
| 19:47.11 | bryjen | I had two clients going for a moment. Then X froze :( |
| 19:48.02 | fiberchunks | palm pilot lol :) |
| 19:54.14 | prot-work | vim src/bzflag/bzflag.cxx |
| 19:54.18 | prot-work | eek |
| 19:54.58 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 19:56.34 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (2 files): busted hunt key |
| 20:10.22 | metal_magic | I am able to compile 1.7g2 but not 1.7e4 :-( (maybe too new gcc?) |
| 20:16.13 | metal_magic | this is the first time I can see the C++ files as .cxx :-) |
| 20:21.03 | metal_magic | does anyone know how to build a package (with dpkg-buildpackage) with g++-2.95 on Sarge? |
| 20:23.05 | Chestal | magic: ah yes, you need 2.95 for the bot |
| 20:23.21 | Chestal | never used dpkg-buildpacke |
| 20:24.07 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks_ (~frobozzpf@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 20:24.22 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks_ (~frobozzpf@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 20:24.57 | metal_magic | Chestal: it seems, I need 2.95 even for bzflag-1.7e4 (not patched by the bot) :-) |
| 20:25.10 | Chestal | metal: yes |
| 20:25.31 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~frobozzpf@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 20:25.32 | Chestal | metal: for the normal make process, you'd edit configs/config-linux and change the lines for gcc/g++ |
| 20:26.01 | Chestal | must be off, good luck |
| 20:26.02 | bryjen | maybe export CC = gcc-2.95 ? or is the a variable for C++ compiler too? |
| 20:28.06 | metal_magic | thanks for your support, ches; I'll tell how far did I get after few days :-) |
| 20:29.06 | metal_magic | i tried: CC=gcc-2.95 dpkg-builpackage -rfakeroot ... and nothing :-( |
| 20:29.28 | sussudio | builpackage? |
| 20:29.54 | bryjen | looks like its CXX for the C++ compiler |
| 20:34.03 | prot-work | learnerAtWork: met your deadline? |
| 20:34.15 | learnerAtWork | it's over |
| 20:34.22 | learnerAtWork | yes and no |
| 20:34.26 | learnerAtWork | I finished in time |
| 20:34.55 | learnerAtWork | then they decided to "hold back" the submission |
| 20:35.00 | prot-work | ugh |
| 20:35.08 | prot-work | go home :) |
| 20:35.42 | learnerAtWork | cya later :) |
| 20:35.52 | learnerAtWork | quit sleep walking home |
| 20:47.53 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-173-50.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 20:58.19 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221dead (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 20:59.51 | prot-work | patlabor221: did you test the mapVersion stuff at all before comitting? :) |
| 21:00.47 | patlabor221 | best I could with out running the app full screen |
| 21:00.50 | patlabor221 | I'm at work :( |
| 21:01.09 | patlabor221 | is it not good? did I bust it in a clean up? |
| 21:03.11 | patlabor221 | ohh I see |
| 21:03.20 | patlabor221 | I did break it in a cleanup |
| 21:03.50 | patlabor221 | tho you didn't fix it right |
| 21:04.07 | patlabor221 | need to add 4 to the size too |
| 21:04.11 | patlabor221 | well2 |
| 21:06.58 | prot-work | you were packing it out of order |
| 21:07.02 | prot-work | causing clients to crash all over |
| 21:07.07 | patlabor221 | I see that |
| 21:07.12 | patlabor221 | but also the size is wrong |
| 21:07.24 | patlabor221 | I messed up my merge :( |
| 21:07.41 | patlabor221 | it was 28 before I added the new item |
| 21:07.48 | patlabor221 | needs to be 30 now |
| 21:07.51 | patlabor221 | fixing and testing. |
| 21:10.09 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): fixed badness. Bad me. bad bad me. |
| 21:10.44 | patlabor221 | should realy make that pack stuff into a class that just takes all the data and keeps track of how big it is. |
| 21:10.59 | patlabor221 | like a generic "chunk" interface |
| 21:12.15 | bryjen | Is sfsnap not snapping again? |
| 21:13.13 | prot-work | its not, but i can't see a reason why it wouldn't be |
| 21:13.25 | prot-work | i need to debug it, but for the moment i don't have the motivation |
| 21:14.06 | prot-work | patlabor221: that will be discussed at the saturday thing |
| 21:16.16 | bryjen | Are the tests for drive|shoot thru and flipz correct in src/bzflag/World.cxx WorldBuilder::unpack ? |
| 21:19.29 | prot-work | probably not |
| 21:20.04 | scanline | you folks killed flipZ yet? |
| 21:20.06 | bryjen | Just wondering if that was causing the behavior fiberchunks and I were seeing earlier |
| 21:20.15 | prot-work | scanline: patlabor221 is fighting desperately for its life |
| 21:20.20 | scanline | hrm... |
| 21:20.22 | prot-work | at least its only a bit now instead of a byte :) |
| 21:20.43 | prot-work | btw, mornin' |
| 21:20.51 | scanline | mornin |
| 21:21.37 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 21:21.53 | bzgirl | hello |
| 21:21.59 | Mayhem | hi bzgirl |
| 21:22.01 | david_v | hi bzgirl |
| 21:22.09 | scanline | prot-work: I'm guessing the pyramid isn't supposed to have both a bit and a byte for flipZ? |
| 21:22.47 | Mayhem | scanline: all the objects now just have a byte, which is a bitfield of shoot/drive through, and flipz for the pyramid |
| 21:22.54 | scanline | patlabor221: what's wrong with just having negative Z == flipZ and doing away with the byte? |
| 21:23.05 | scanline | Mayhem: right, but that's not what the protocol doc says :) |
| 21:23.23 | Mayhem | scanline: no, the doc has been made outdated by the changes in cvs :) |
| 21:23.30 | scanline | forgot to delete the fz field |
| 21:24.15 | Mayhem | I think Pat wanted to maintain two different types of behaviour, re: inverted pyramid or upside-down pyramid |
| 21:24.38 | Mayhem | negative Z is a bit kludgy |
| 21:25.11 | scanline | if by kludgy you mean sensible and intuitive, then yes |
| 21:25.18 | bryjen | Errr, or that negative scales are always invalid. When was the last time you measured something as -5 feet long? |
| 21:25.29 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 21:26.21 | scanline | bryjen: negative scales usually cause flipping in any 3D editor, and generally in mathematics |
| 21:26.53 | Mayhem | its a height, not a scale. -ve height makes no sense. |
| 21:27.19 | scanline | a negative height above a base is the same as a height below a base |
| 21:27.22 | Mayhem | a 'rotation' field would be better |
| 21:27.28 | bryjen | maybe "dimensions" fits my meaning better |
| 21:28.25 | scanline | I'm not the one that made changes to the code, so I don't know what changed! |
| 21:28.37 | Mayhem | you can read diffs, right? |
| 21:28.40 | david_v | hehehe |
| 21:28.53 | david_v | sorry :) |
| 21:28.55 | Mayhem | thats what I've been doing to keep the doc up-to-date |
| 21:29.17 | scanline | heh... I updated the doc when I changed the flag negotiation :P |
| 21:29.21 | prot-work | yeehaw! i finished dropping microphones |
| 21:29.32 | sussudio | Chestal, are you here? |
| 21:29.42 | bryjen | prot-work: all broken now? |
| 21:29.56 | prot-work | nope |
| 21:30.18 | prot-work | so the idea about flipz is that instead of just encoding it as a negative value, we'll disallow negative values and send extra data |
| 21:30.50 | prot-work | so its impossible to do an "inverted" pyramid, because it drops the sign |
| 21:31.00 | scanline | well.. at least whoever implemented the changes to the world format should update the protocol doc |
| 21:31.39 | Mayhem | scanline: I think you're hoping for a bit much :) |
| 21:31.41 | fiberchunks | prot-work> what is the difference between an inverted pyramid, and a flipped pyramid? |
| 21:31.41 | *** join/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
| 21:31.55 | TimRiker | no extra data. send the neg please. |
| 21:31.56 | fiberchunks | wb learner |
| 21:31.58 | prot-work | learner: what are you doing awake? |
| 21:32.10 | learner | heh (*ugh*) |
| 21:32.11 | scanline | TimRiker: wow, some sanity :) |
| 21:32.12 | sussudio | admin abuse on ducati, news at eleven. |
| 21:32.39 | prot-work | it just seems to be patlabor221 who doesn't understand this whole "extra data" thing >:) |
| 21:32.42 | TimRiker | and the drive/shoot through bits need to get merged. |
| 21:32.44 | learner | just got home, thought I'd check the chatter before i crash |
| 21:32.55 | bryjen | didn't the inverted (negative Z) turn it inside-out of something? |
| 21:33.04 | prot-work | bryjen: yes, before patlabor221 "fixed" it |
| 21:33.18 | TimRiker | though I suppose if I kept in the same vein, the x/y could be inverted to mean drive/shoot through. |
| 21:33.32 | fiberchunks | I thought the whole reason for flipZ was to fix the 'goofy' behavior of -Z pyramids |
| 21:33.42 | Mayhem | TimRiker: yep, gotta save those precious bytes :) |
| 21:33.54 | prot-work | TimRiker: hehe |
| 21:34.03 | bryjen | TimRiker: now that getting ugly x or y have nothing to do with that |
| 21:34.03 | TimRiker | fiberchunks: don't need an extra byte to fix the goofy behavior. |
| 21:34.04 | Mayhem | fiberchunks: I think it was |
| 21:34.23 | prot-work | TimRiker: well - if we just send a bitfield, flipz can be one of those bits (until we run out) |
| 21:34.35 | TimRiker | bryjen: yeah. I tend to agree. so I'll put up with the extra byte for drive/shoot through. |
| 21:34.35 | prot-work | eventually i'd like to have a whole 'material' system |
| 21:34.37 | prot-work | friction, etc |
| 21:34.57 | learner | Tim, I read the "Henry on IRC" log from a year or so ago last night ... heheh hilarious! :) |
| 21:35.19 | fiberchunks | learner> what's this? |
| 21:35.27 | TimRiker | learner: hehe. yep. I'll get cameron on here when he can type a bit. |
| 21:35.36 | TimRiker | henry just sends me email now (he's 4) |
| 21:35.46 | learner | :) that's great |
| 21:36.35 | scanline | is the 0x03 in the document for flipZ supposed to be 0x04? |
| 21:36.35 | prot-work | heh |
| 21:36.46 | prot-work | scanline: yes |
| 21:36.57 | scanline | k |
| 21:37.04 | prot-work | learner: eek! |
| 21:38.12 | Mayhem | scanline: are you updating it? |
| 21:38.23 | scanline | Mayhem: as soon as I'm sure I have the right format |
| 21:38.40 | Chestal | hmm, I think I remember that we fixed an ugly bug in the authentication/admin code after g2? |
| 21:39.03 | prot-work | hmm |
| 21:39.16 | prot-work | bzflag is lgpl! i can link it with the trackd-api! |
| 21:39.40 | learner | lgpl? really? (/me never checked) |
| 21:40.07 | TimRiker | prot-work: you're welcome |
| 21:40.24 | prot-work | hehe |
| 21:40.26 | TimRiker | learner: recent change. |
| 21:40.44 | learner | wow. rather significant change.. |
| 21:40.59 | learner | you mean with .. the fist |
| 21:41.15 | prot-work | the fist, -wearing- the glove! |
| 21:41.21 | learner | hhehe |
| 21:41.44 | learner | how recent is "recent"? |
| 21:41.46 | TimRiker | learner: yes. but true to the intentions I believe. |
| 21:41.52 | prot-work | oooooooooo |
| 21:41.57 | TimRiker | g2 was the first lgpl release. |
| 21:42.10 | prot-work | fakespace just came out with a UXGA active stereo projector |
| 21:42.34 | learner | coo |
| 21:43.57 | prot-work | http://www.fakespacelabs.com/products/pinch.html <-- the glove |
| 21:45.32 | learner | a shoot event |
| 21:45.47 | prot-work | problem is the button requires contact betwen the pads of two fingers |
| 21:46.05 | learner | thumb to index.. :) |
| 21:46.11 | prot-work | hehe |
| 21:46.14 | sussudio | ~d |
| 21:46.15 | scanline | learner: is your server on the latest CVS? it seems to be sending a different WorldCodeStyle block than the code would indicate |
| 21:46.41 | learner | scanline, log in log out, check the date/time |
| 21:46.52 | sussudio | ok, asdf just needs to be banned from ducati. |
| 21:46.54 | learner | it will be unless build fails |
| 21:47.16 | learner | Hey.. my teammate's on -- too bad I'm in no condition to play |
| 21:47.24 | scanline | but, I can't log in if it's sending the wrong world format |
| 21:47.54 | learner | ah.. check again now -- I forced a restart |
| 21:48.02 | bryjen | scanline: the build time is in the list server entry |
| 21:48.26 | scanline | bryjen: I'm not motivated enough to look up when this change happened |
| 21:48.33 | scanline | learner: thanks! |
| 21:49.22 | learner | hmmm.. sussudio |
| 21:49.33 | scanline | it would be nice of the blocks in the world format had length fields, like the messages do... |
| 21:49.57 | scanline | right now if you try to decode a world where something has changed size, it just chokes on an unknown block size |
| 21:50.04 | scanline | er, block type |
| 21:50.07 | prot-work | learner: yes, do it! |
| 21:50.30 | learner | you think that would be good, cap? |
| 21:51.16 | learner | I wish there was a way to gracefully shutdown with a message sent to all players |
| 21:51.37 | scanline | you could pipe a message into the server via chat.py, wait a bit, then kill it |
| 21:51.37 | learner | something like what "shutdown" does |
| 21:51.44 | prot-work | send a gameover |
| 21:51.45 | bryjen | bzadmin ? |
| 21:52.12 | prot-work | use pybzflag to do gameover =) |
| 21:53.38 | scanline | arrrrgh, damnit |
| 21:53.51 | scanline | bzfs is sending garbage bytes before the end of data block again |
| 21:54.25 | bryjen | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:54.36 | prot-work | something like that |
| 21:54.39 | scanline | on learner's server, I get four 0x30's before the 0x6564 block |
| 21:55.31 | prot-work | ugh |
| 21:56.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (2 files in 2 dirs): Updated for the still-undocumented changes to the world format. Doesn't work yet because yet another bug has been introduced into bzfs that nobody noticed because bzflag's world unpacking silently ignores format errors. |
| 21:56.39 | learner | scanline, can you give me a one-liner example using send.py that will send a message |
| 21:56.52 | scanline | chat.py? |
| 21:57.05 | scanline | echo Hello Game | ./chat.py -s brlcad.org:4242 |
| 21:57.17 | sussudio | prot-work: do you know of an exploit in bzfs that allows someone to kick players without having admin rights? |
| 21:57.40 | scanline | there are more command line options for setting the callsign, delaying before exiting the server in case the messages don't have time to appear.... |
| 21:57.50 | prot-work | sussudio: no, but that doesn't eliminate the possibility |
| 21:57.58 | sussudio | prot-work: asdf was doing it on ducati. |
| 21:58.05 | prot-work | thats nice |
| 21:58.09 | prot-work | i don't run ducati |
| 21:58.11 | learner | so.. a reasonable example scanline.. :) |
| 21:58.33 | sussudio | that means it's probable he's doing it on other servers too. |
| 21:58.49 | prot-work | or he somehow got the ducati admin password |
| 21:58.59 | learner | which is more likely |
| 21:59.10 | bzgirl | sussudio: its more likely the groupdb file got messed up |
| 21:59.34 | sussudio | [~A~] asdf: i'm not using a pasword here |
| 21:59.39 | scanline | learner: you can use --help, no? |
| 21:59.41 | learner | heh.. it'd be interesting if anyone could authenticate kick (or perhaps he just guessed the password) |
| 21:59.45 | bzgirl | it happened to my servers when i tried to sync 3 files |
| 22:00.14 | learner | so... it's Chestal's fault :) |
| 22:00.24 | JBDiGriz | ducati is using the new group permissions |
| 22:00.33 | bzgirl | well, its not easy to maintain 3 sets of db files |
| 22:00.35 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: but the admin passwords still exist |
| 22:00.40 | bzgirl | i gave up :) |
| 22:00.59 | learner | which made registering.. fun :) |
| 22:01.04 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: I didn't think you needed the admin passwords if you were included in the group which had permissions. |
| 22:01.05 | sussudio | well it would show up in the logs what asdf did. |
| 22:01.11 | prot-work | you don't need it |
| 22:01.14 | prot-work | but it still exists |
| 22:01.20 | bzgirl | prot-work: i dont know if ches uses a pass, i didnt, i relied on the db |
| 22:02.05 | sussudio | ~d |
| 22:03.00 | learner | wow.. dbrosius must be close |
| 22:03.11 | prot-work | learner: hmm? |
| 22:03.41 | learner | his isp is local to my area afaik |
| 22:04.39 | prot-work | ah |
| 22:05.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (WorldInfo.cxx): Fix the size calculation for teleporters |
| 22:06.57 | doughecka | scanline: does that work? |
| 22:07.02 | learner | updated |
| 22:07.09 | doughecka | wow |
| 22:07.12 | scanline | thanks |
| 22:07.18 | doughecka | I want one like learner! :P |
| 22:08.16 | scanline | hmm... |
| 22:08.23 | learner | try again |
| 22:08.28 | scanline | I can connect to my local bzfs fine, but learner's server gives the same error |
| 22:08.29 | scanline | oh |
| 22:08.34 | scanline | yay |
| 22:09.15 | *** join/#bzflag larsl_56k (~larsl@md4690cad.utfors.se) |
| 22:09.42 | patlabor221 | math make brain hurt |
| 22:09.55 | learner | ok, Mr. rtfh scanline ;) |
| 22:09.57 | learner | bash-2.05a$ ./chat.py --help |
| 22:09.57 | learner | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:09.57 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.57 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.57 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:09.59 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:10.01 | learner | ImportError: Bad magic number in ./BZFlag/Client.pyc |
| 22:10.07 | sussudio | i'd like to ask whoever has access to the ducati logs and can see what asdf did to place an announcement on it on the bzboard and have him banned from the server. |
| 22:10.25 | scanline | learner: looks like you upgraded your python and it's choking on old compiled files? |
| 22:10.30 | scanline | learner: remove all the .pyc files |
| 22:11.09 | learner | bash-2.05a$ find . -name \*pyc -exec rm {} \; |
| 22:11.09 | learner | bash-2.05a$ ./chat.py --help |
| 22:11.09 | learner | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:11.09 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.09 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.09 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.11 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.13 | learner | ImportError: cannot import name Client |
| 22:11.39 | scanline | are you sure you have a good copy of the source? |
| 22:11.49 | scanline | cvs up -Pd |
| 22:12.00 | learner | just updated, but lemme check to make sure there were no conflicts |
| 22:12.00 | scanline | I added some directories since you updated probably |
| 22:12.17 | learner | bingo, thx |
| 22:12.22 | scanline | yay |
| 22:13.54 | learner | hmm.. error |
| 22:14.01 | learner | ./chat.py -sbrlcad.org:4242 -cAdministrator -pobserver -w20 hello |
| 22:14.12 | learner | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 22:14.13 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.13 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.13 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.13 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.14 | learner | ... |
| 22:14.21 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.21 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:14.21 | learner | socket.error: (36, 'Operation now in progress') |
| 22:14.33 | scanline | ehh? that should be fixed... |
| 22:14.52 | scanline | BTW, putting hello on the command line like that doesn't work yet, but I could make it work pretty quick |
| 22:14.59 | learner | mkay |
| 22:15.14 | learner | same error without it |
| 22:15.35 | scanline | ahh |
| 22:15.44 | scanline | found the problem, it's a portability issue in the socket code |
| 22:15.57 | prot-work | hmm? |
| 22:15.58 | learner | fix it! |
| 22:16.00 | learner | :) |
| 22:16.31 | learner | bah, cap, just the whole mess with the deadline |
| 22:16.41 | learner | pissed me off, but I was too tired to care |
| 22:16.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Network.py): Detect the 'operation now in progress' error a little more portably |
| 22:17.14 | learner | ah |
| 22:17.30 | scanline | so try pipeing "echo hello" into chat |
| 22:18.03 | learner | you mean it takes stdin .. |
| 22:18.05 | learner | coo |
| 22:18.09 | scanline | yes |
| 22:18.22 | scanline | it's designed for interactive use, but since it exits on EOF you can pipe things to it also |
| 22:18.26 | learner | so what happens if I stream a here now doc? |
| 22:18.34 | scanline | that should be fine |
| 22:18.37 | scanline | I've piped figlet into it :) |
| 22:18.46 | learner | I'll be testing that :) |
| 22:18.59 | scanline | also, you might not want the '-p observer' option |
| 22:19.05 | scanline | bzfs doesn't really support that right yet |
| 22:21.21 | scanline | yeah... -p observer joins as JAFO rather than as a tank, and bzfs doesn't really deal with that right yet |
| 22:22.34 | scanline | figlet Boing | ./chat.py -sbrlcad.org:4242 -c Duckie -w10 |
| 22:23.03 | learner | hmm.. behavior is a bit odd, but I'm liking it |
| 22:23.22 | scanline | odd howso? tried it without -p? :) |
| 22:23.26 | learner | i'd expect it to close the connection (after -wtimeout) on EOF |
| 22:23.41 | scanline | it does, at least it does here |
| 22:23.53 | fiberchunks | hrm, segfault on bzflag startup - same bzflag I used earlier |
| 22:24.07 | learner | ah.. I was just being impatient |
| 22:24.09 | learner | :) |
| 22:24.17 | scanline | ok, that's good :) |
| 22:24.30 | learner | feeding it Ctrl-C at different points was fun too.. |
| 22:24.37 | scanline | in order to both read from stdin and keep the bzflag connection up I had to use threads in chat.py, and sometimes those aren't really done right in python |
| 22:24.54 | fiberchunks | 0x0807763c in TimeKeeper::operator=(TimeKeeper const&) (this=0x224, t=@0x81ad360) |
| 22:24.54 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:24.54 | fiberchunks | 73 seconds = t.seconds; |
| 22:24.57 | fiberchunks | ?? |
| 22:25.29 | learner | TimKeeper looks so much like TimRiker when you're tired |
| 22:25.42 | scanline | hmm... |
| 22:25.46 | fiberchunks | heh, _Tim_keeper ;) |
| 22:25.51 | learner | heh |
| 22:25.57 | scanline | whoa... |
| 22:26.01 | learner | TimeRiker |
| 22:26.14 | scanline | I think everything's drivethrough and flipz on learner's server |
| 22:26.22 | scanline | and shootthrough |
| 22:26.22 | prot-work | hah |
| 22:26.35 | fiberchunks | bryjen and I saw that today scanline |
| 22:26.38 | learner | don't blame me, I'm just the host |
| 22:26.42 | fiberchunks | it's not supposed to be that way ;) |
| 22:26.45 | scanline | learner: I know |
| 22:26.50 | learner | :) |
| 22:30.50 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzeditw32/BZEdit32 (world.cpp): remove whitespace from object Type names before we look for them |
| 22:31.17 | bzgirl | is there a limit to the # of boxes in a map in bzedit? i have 4237 |
| 22:31.31 | patlabor221 | there is no real limit |
| 22:31.37 | patlabor221 | tho that map will run VERY slow |
| 22:31.47 | bzgirl | it wont run at all |
| 22:31.49 | scanline | why so many? |
| 22:32.13 | bzgirl | i was using trepan's bmp convertor |
| 22:32.31 | bzgirl | but it put all the boxes at XYZ 0 :( |
| 22:32.43 | patlabor221 | will run out of GL list IDs at 2,147,483,648 objects |
| 22:32.54 | patlabor221 | I just replyed to that on the boards |
| 22:33.15 | patlabor221 | it puts extra spaces after the word box and the word end |
| 22:33.20 | patlabor221 | BZedit does not like that |
| 22:33.48 | patlabor221 | and like a newline between objects would kill the guy :) |
| 22:33.49 | fiberchunks | just recompiled with prot-work new snap -- still get timekeeper segf |
| 22:34.34 | prot-work | yay |
| 22:34.40 | prot-work | intel is recovering in the markets |
| 22:34.51 | sussudio | is that good? |
| 22:34.58 | scanline | can the server use one UDP socket for all the clients? |
| 22:34.59 | prot-work | yes |
| 22:35.02 | prot-work | means money for me |
| 22:35.13 | sussudio | so they sold a cpu then? |
| 22:35.47 | fiberchunks | what the fsck is going on here :\ |
| 22:35.56 | sussudio | fiberchunks: wha? |
| 22:35.59 | bzgirl | patlabor221: is there an image convertor that dosnt do that? |
| 22:36.08 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 22:36.10 | learner | scanline, what all should I do every cvs update for python dir? |
| 22:36.12 | patlabor221 | I am fixing BZedit now |
| 22:36.23 | prot-work | image converters should be banned |
| 22:36.24 | scanline | learner: nothing |
| 22:36.29 | learner | ok |
| 22:36.36 | sussudio | prot-work: tell that to blind ambition |
| 22:36.44 | bzgirl | prot-work: its hard to make a map by hand you know :) |
| 22:37.01 | patlabor221 | well the image convertrs do make ineficent maps |
| 22:37.09 | prot-work | it just ends up with these huge maps that don't play well |
| 22:37.18 | learner | With 400 boxes, I can imagine that'd be hard by hand! |
| 22:37.26 | learner | and tedious! |
| 22:37.29 | sussudio | only 400? |
| 22:37.57 | learner | er, 4237 |
| 22:38.14 | learner | :/ |
| 22:38.26 | learner | even _without_ vi .. :) |
| 22:39.15 | learner | neva! |
| 22:39.39 | learner | that's and editor I just never "understood" |
| 22:40.20 | JBDiGriz | That's because you never used the RT-11 editor and YALOE |
| 22:40.27 | learner | how a software designer could end up with something so modal, pragmatic, and opaque.. |
| 22:41.16 | learner | heh |
| 22:41.38 | JBDiGriz | I'll remind the good captain next time he complains about Apple hardware running too hot! :-P |
| 22:41.49 | fiberchunks | is anyone else having issues compiling? |
| 22:41.50 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (~Joe@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 22:42.02 | fiberchunks | rather, running a freshly compiled snap? |
| 22:43.06 | scanline | why are MsgShotEnd and MsgShotBegin UDP messages? |
| 22:43.14 | prot-work | i've never complained about apple hardware running too hot |
| 22:43.31 | patlabor221 | try this |
| 22:43.31 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/edit/BZE_1.6.0_Installer.exe |
| 22:43.34 | prot-work | scanline: i've never understood why |
| 22:43.58 | scanline | ha |
| 22:44.23 | CIA | 03jeffm2501 * 12bzeditw32/ (3 files in 2 dirs): more whitespace autostrip |
| 22:44.24 | learner | The Ti's can get rather toasty after compiling for 20 min (or playing BZ for that matter) |
| 22:45.17 | JBDiGriz | patlabor221: What's the name of the config file on windows? |
| 22:45.24 | patlabor221 | for what? |
| 22:45.26 | patlabor221 | BZ? |
| 22:45.41 | JBDiGriz | Lots of people are asking me about removing the email line for bz |
| 22:45.47 | patlabor221 | bzflag.bzc19 |
| 22:45.53 | sussudio | C:\Documents and Settings\username\My Documents\bzflag.bzc |
| 22:45.59 | patlabor221 | or that one |
| 22:46.26 | sussudio | or add -anonymous |
| 22:46.35 | prot-work | that will be renamed to bzflag19.bzc once i can remove the old config stuff |
| 22:46.57 | patlabor221 | well it's in my docs like sus says |
| 22:47.06 | patlabor221 | asuming you have a my docs |
| 22:47.39 | sussudio | the latest sfsnap compiles here under windoze |
| 22:47.47 | scanline | yikes |
| 22:47.48 | JBDiGriz | Why would I have your docs? I have been pointing people towards centrum to get the latest info. |
| 22:48.13 | sussudio | i'm still driving through buildings though |
| 22:48.14 | patlabor221 | jbd, I mean the "my documents" folder :) |
| 22:48.19 | patlabor221 | not any actualy documentation |
| 22:48.50 | JBDiGriz | Ah, another windows expression, I'm not the person who picks up on those ;-) |
| 22:49.54 | patlabor221 | is this you scanline? http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-07-07&res=l |
| 22:50.45 | scanline | haha |
| 22:50.45 | sussudio | mr period? |
| 22:51.07 | scanline | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=809 <-- the unholy punctuation I refer to |
| 22:51.18 | patlabor221 | tho I find this one rather funny |
| 22:51.19 | patlabor221 | http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-06-30&res=l |
| 22:51.46 | patlabor221 | yah cap could use a comma or 5 :) |
| 22:56.24 | Mayhem | scanline: I believe MsgShotBegin is UDP because the client sees the shot start when it gets that message. If the packet gets lost and retransmitted (as with TCP) the shot would appear at a totally wrong time. |
| 22:56.56 | prot-work | its something to discuss on sat |
| 22:57.02 | scanline | I see.. it's better the shot doesn't appear at all instead of appearing late |
| 22:57.44 | prot-work | in practice, udp messages get dropped very rarely |
| 22:57.44 | Mayhem | scanline: I think thats the idea. |
| 22:58.21 | prot-work | ok, time to go home |
| 22:58.32 | Mayhem | I don't understand why MsgShotEnd messages are sent most of the time though. |
| 22:58.55 | metal_magic | prot-work: I think it is a time to go to bed :-) |
| 22:59.27 | learner | I need a bzfs mod to test my auto-server reset.. :) |
| 22:59.34 | scanline | Mayhem: aren't they sent by a player when the shot hits them? |
| 22:59.38 | learner | cap, go home :) |
| 23:00.27 | Mayhem | scanline: yes, but the player also sends a MsgKilled, so the MsgShotEnd is kinda redundant |
| 23:00.44 | scanline | does MsgKilled give a shot ID? |
| 23:00.50 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): Whitespace change |
| 23:01.03 | Mayhem | yes |
| 23:01.17 | scanline | ah |
| 23:01.40 | Mayhem | The only time I can think when MsgShotEnd is needed is when it his a player with the Shield flag |
| 23:01.49 | learner | eek... my client bus-errors on connect |
| 23:02.01 | Mayhem | apparently its also used when a GM hits the ground... |
| 23:02.27 | learner | yeay, .. bzfs mod.. 8min it should swap |
| 23:02.59 | Mayhem | all this unnecessary spamming of cvs just to trigger things :) |
| 23:07.41 | JBDiGriz | Most of us attend too many meetings. This one might be a little different. |
| 23:08.15 | learner | someone kindly connect to brlcad and let me know if you see a message in 1-2 minutes |
| 23:11.06 | JBDiGriz | learner: the messages were coming through |
| 23:11.16 | scanline | my client segfaulted right before the action :-/ |
| 23:11.17 | learner | ah, cool deal :) |
| 23:11.32 | sussudio | i was using segfaulting bullets. |
| 23:11.34 | learner | I noticed 2 or three of you dropped right as the client logged on |
| 23:11.39 | Mayhem | c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I../../include -Wall -W -mcpu=i686 -Werror -g -Wno-deprecated -c Bundle.cxx |
| 23:11.41 | JBDiGriz | Never try to play bzflag on a 12" screen |
| 23:11.49 | Mayhem | ^^^ just a little bit of redundancy :) |
| 23:13.21 | learner | sweet.. so now the server should *always* really only be running the very latest within about 1-5 minutes of a commit |
| 23:14.25 | learner | nice work, scanline |
| 23:14.36 | scanline | :) |
| 23:14.40 | scanline | I'm glad it works |
| 23:15.23 | learner | though there should still be another admin interface to manage all aspects of bzfs |
| 23:17.17 | learner | Ooh.. pistachios.. |
| 23:17.42 | learner | Mmmmm .. I just got over the ones from a couple days ago last night.. Yum |
| 23:22.37 | scanline | learner: does it only restart on updates to bzfs, or anywhere in CVS? |
| 23:23.22 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (World.cxx): All the logic for decoding world object flags was backwards, causing most objects to appear drivethrough, shootthrough, and flipZ'ed |
| 23:23.45 | learner | updates to bzfs |
| 23:23.47 | *** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-6-151.stny.rr.com) |
| 23:23.52 | scanline | ok |
| 23:24.03 | learner | see http://brlcad.org/tmp/bzAutoUpdate.sh |
| 23:25.03 | scanline | ah, it diffs the bzfs |
| 23:25.48 | Mayhem | would using -z compression on the update create a higher cpu load on the already stressed sf cvs server? |
| 23:26.56 | learner | sf, requests that everyone use z3 |
| 23:27.21 | learner | I believe they are bandwidth restrained, not cpu |
| 23:27.26 | Mayhem | ah, ok |
| 23:27.34 | metal_magic | sussudio: :-) |
| 23:28.01 | JBDiGriz | I was thinking it was bandwidth as well, except why are they replacing servers to fix the problems? |
| 23:28.53 | learner | I thought I remembered reading that they had broken systems |
| 23:29.03 | learner | they are getting parts/replacements |
| 23:30.00 | sussudio | ~d |
| 23:30.20 | learner | uh oh.. bzfs just crashed |
| 23:30.37 | learner | Thread 0 Crashed: |
| 23:30.37 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.37 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:30.37 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.49 | learner | give up mayhem.... :) |
| 23:32.03 | Mayhem | he, playing in wireframe mode is funky :) |
| 23:32.14 | learner | uread() discard packet! 217.155.141.174:17200 choices p(l) h:p |
| 23:32.35 | learner | hehe, server running on 4242 crashes on line 4242 |
| 23:32.43 | learner | coincidence? |
| 23:32.48 | learner | :) |
| 23:32.52 | JBDiGriz | Russian spam from the bz dev mailing list :-( |
| 23:34.29 | metal_magic | I have got enough of coding today, going to bed, good night, cu |
| 23:43.51 | learner | thought you were -OH free, fiber... :) |
| 23:44.32 | JBDiGriz | That was last night, not all the time! :-) |
| 23:44.54 | learner | heh, guess so |
| 23:46.32 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks has been known to come back from weekend benders and we can see his fingers staggering across the keyboard. :{) |
| 23:47.43 | sussudio | how do you get pybzflag? |
| 23:47.49 | bzdoug | Huh. |
| 23:48.35 | learner | cvs checkout pybzflag |
| 23:49.08 | JBDiGriz | It might not have made it to the anoncvs server yet. |
| 23:49.45 | scanline | it's in the anoncvs, but it's probably old |
| 23:49.51 | captain_proton | the latest isn't on anoncvs, but pybzflag was started days ago |
| 23:50.00 | scanline | and it definitely won't support the protocol changes done today |
| 23:51.59 | scanline | would be neat if sfsnap worked with all the cvs modules, putting them in separate tarballs |
| 23:54.51 | david_v | does anyone know what dmp is doing these days? i found a bug in the league system |
| 23:55.09 | JBDiGriz | ~seen dmp |
| 23:55.10 | | JBDiGriz: i haven't seen 'dmp' |
| 23:55.14 | sussudio | eating bacon, probably |
| 23:55.18 | sussudio | ~seen [dmp] |
| 23:55.18 | | [dmp] <~dennis@3E6B486F.aalb.stofanet.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 8d 2h 16m 17s ago, saying: 'it didnt work :)'. |
| 23:55.26 | david_v | 8d!! |
| 23:55.33 | david_v | and what a nice phrase too ;) |
| 23:55.36 | david_v | hmmm |
| 23:55.42 | JBDiGriz | Sounds like he might be taking some time off. |
| 23:56.03 | learner | Thread 0 Crashed: |
| 23:56.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:56.04 | david_v | Chestal: can you upload a bugfix on the league server? |
| 23:56.28 | captain_proton | learner: that sounds suspiciously like the world header isn't being packed/unpacked correctly |
| 23:57.09 | scanline | might do that if you're running an old bzflag, since the header changed size... |
| 23:57.21 | sussudio | i didnt think seagates got that hot. |
| 23:58.02 | david_v | how can you know it's not the wd? ;) |
| 23:58.06 | sussudio | it's the same model seagate they put in x-boxes |
| 23:58.24 | sussudio | the only thing i changed is the harddisk |
| 23:58.58 | JBDiGriz | david_v: [dmp] was playing on ducati about 8 hrs. ago |
| 23:59.14 | david_v | JBDiGriz: hm, but i can't reach him anywhere. did send a mail though |
| 23:59.28 | captain_proton | 'night learner |
| 23:59.31 | david_v | night |
| 23:59.34 | learner | nite cap |
| 23:59.38 | JBDiGriz | later, learner |
| 23:59.50 | learner | same dave, jb and all else |
