| 00:00.02 | doughecka | wabbit hunt is KOTH |
| 00:00.09 | doughecka | and visa versa |
| 00:00.13 | Michaelh | which is |
| 00:00.19 | doughecka | king of the hill |
| 00:00.26 | doughecka | an american TV show |
| 00:00.42 | Michaelh | thanks |
| 00:00.49 | Michaelh | great help |
| 00:00.57 | Michaelh | cleared it all up |
| 00:00.57 | doughecka | google for it |
| 00:02.44 | larsl_56k | Michaelh: One player is the rabbit, the others try to kill the rabbit. |
| 00:02.48 | sussudio | Michaelh : would you care for a tazer to silence doug? |
| 00:03.00 | larsl_56k | And when the rabbit dies, another player becomes rabbit. |
| 00:03.22 | larsl_56k | And killing non-rabbits is the same as teamkilling. |
| 00:04.02 | Michaelh | this would require more than 1 player huh |
| 00:04.17 | Michaelh | Are the communication protocols still borked? |
| 00:04.25 | Michaelh | people n/r and suchforth? |
| 00:04.31 | bryjen | best with a half dozen or so |
| 00:04.40 | larsl_56k | I'd say most game styles require more than one player. =) |
| 00:05.20 | bryjen | i think that was playerId confusion, and its been sorted out |
| 00:07.14 | sussudio | this monitor sometimes goes black and i have to turn it off and on again when i switch from graphic to text mode... should i be worried? |
| 00:08.13 | doughecka | it needs a 3in1 oil treatment |
| 00:08.20 | sussudio | stfu doug |
| 00:08.25 | sussudio | someone ban doug again |
| 00:08.45 | doughecka | heya larsl_56k |
| 00:09.18 | Michaelh | ohhhhhh TextChunkManager has its very own files now .. woohoo |
| 00:09.35 | larsl_56k | doughecka: Yes? |
| 00:09.56 | Michaelh | of course we could just keep dumping more classes in the one big honking file...... |
| 00:10.11 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (4 files): separated out WorldInfo class from bzfs.cxx |
| 00:10.22 | Michaelh | woahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 00:10.41 | Michaelh | I am like...... quaking in my shoes |
| 00:10.45 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (5 files in 4 dirs): nuke incorrect MsgClientVersion |
| 00:11.15 | Michaelh | "brlcad" ?? |
| 00:11.22 | doughecka | learner |
| 00:11.29 | Michaelh | ah so |
| 00:11.49 | larsl_56k | What sort of commands is the CommandManager managing? |
| 00:11.55 | Michaelh | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 00:11.59 | Michaelh | very important ones |
| 00:12.06 | larsl_56k | Server and admin commands, or game commands like "jump", "shoot"? |
| 00:13.40 | Michaelh | or "crash that guys computer" |
| 00:13.48 | Michaelh | so it's a parser....... |
| 00:19.43 | larsl_56k | If I play alone on a rabbit server and kill myself, I will turn rogue and no one will be rabbit. |
| 00:22.15 | doughecka | wee, cvs crashes |
| 00:33.16 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): what if no GL? |
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| 01:25.26 | learner | made me think of burritos |
| 01:26.22 | doughecka | You cant rollerskate in a buffalo herd |
| 01:27.21 | fiberchunks | '\0 |
| 01:27.23 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 01:27.55 | doughecka | thats not wings |
| 01:29.07 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/debian (control): ogg/vorbis |
| 01:30.34 | ahbritto | Is there a way to move the mouse out of the window without quiting? |
| 01:30.45 | TimRiker | ahbritto: pause |
| 01:30.50 | sussudio | if you throw hard enough |
| 01:31.33 | ahbritto | Cool, thanks. |
| 01:32.38 | doughecka | then they will fire ya |
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| 01:43.56 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
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| 01:58.37 | Michaelh | should people be able to do commands like "zoom" etc. when in a menu? |
| 02:06.16 | Michaelh | I found that bug |
| 02:06.22 | CIA | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDui.cxx): Commands like "send message" -- 'n' by default mess up menu system when player is on a HUDUi list -- this change prohibits such commands in HudUIList as it is with HudUILabel. |
| 02:06.44 | ahbritto | I can't read the help when paused, the screen is dimmed and the font is too small. :P |
| 02:07.05 | steakAndMerlot | nick delmonicoAndMerlot |
| 02:07.07 | Michaelh | if you enter a game, go to options menu .. sit on a item which is a list item (most of them) |
| 02:07.11 | ahbritto | I mean when dead. |
| 02:07.15 | Michaelh | and hit n for messaging |
| 02:07.24 | Michaelh | now you are stuck in the menu system and can never get back to game |
| 02:07.59 | Michaelh | but you can't do the same on the static items... that go to other menus for example |
| 02:09.20 | Michaelh | sniff .. took me an hour to find :) |
| 02:10.19 | steakAndMerlot | that's cool, michael.. hopefully that's the same menu bug I ran into a couple weeks ago |
| 02:10.39 | Michaelh | where you can't get back to the game? |
| 02:11.00 | steakAndMerlot | actually, you could play, but you couldn't get rid of the menu |
| 02:11.06 | Michaelh | yep that's it |
| 02:11.36 | Michaelh | it allows you to press keys that you shouldn't be able to use basically... |
| 02:11.39 | steakAndMerlot | think it had something to do with getting killed while twiddling with gui options |
| 02:11.56 | Michaelh | hmmm |
| 02:12.24 | Michaelh | One thing I found was if you press 'n' for talking while in most of the options settings |
| 02:12.46 | Michaelh | if you can choose from a list of settings for an option -- that's an instance of HUIList |
| 02:13.00 | Michaelh | you can use a whole bunch of keys that you can't otherwise use |
| 02:15.40 | Michaelh | doh now you can't shoot while on those lists :) |
| 02:18.20 | CIA | 03michaelh20 * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (HUDui.cxx): Doh -- now can't shoot while on label -- solution not so simple :( |
| 02:20.55 | steakAndMerlot | heh, I think that's the first homer-ism I've seen in a commit message |
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| 02:22.28 | SGI | hi |
| 02:22.52 | steakAndMerlot | howdy sgi |
| 02:23.06 | SGI | good ...ski around |
| 02:24.59 | SGI | test |
| 02:25.02 | SGI | ntry |
| 02:25.15 | SGI | I hate the "n" key |
| 02:25.44 | steakAndMerlot | heheh, bzish |
| 02:26.43 | SGI | yes |
| 02:27.11 | TimRiker | Michaelh: test something _before_ committing. |
| 02:29.12 | Michaelh | doh sorry.. didn't think of fire as a key really |
| 02:31.37 | TimRiker | fire, jump, misslelock/identify are all keys. |
| 02:35.04 | Michaelh | so key events return true when the key has been handled? |
| 02:44.37 | SGI | no ski..where I can find this tank???? |
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| 03:02.16 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 3 dirs): New system for passing options to Client subclasses |
| 03:06.21 | SGI | still |
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| 03:57.37 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (6 files in 3 dirs): Finished interfacing CommandLine module with the new option style in Player. Now the observer demo utilizes the CommandLine module to easily set up a client instance. |
| 04:12.38 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (2 files in 2 dirs): Properly implement the iteration protocol for SceneList |
| 04:22.49 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/UI added to the repository |
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| 04:38.59 | SGI | night |
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| 05:47.37 | TerryC | It'll probably short out and explode and kill me and destroy the internet! :-) |
| 05:54.38 | *** part/#bzflag TerryC (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 05:56.13 | learner | Man... |
| 05:56.29 | learner | what a mind f*ck, cap.. :) |
| 06:00.04 | *** part/#bzflag learner (sean@chr160dhcp1675.chrchv01.md.comcast.net) |
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| 06:47.19 | fiberchunks | I thought you were going to bed? ;) |
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| 07:16.54 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (playing.cxx): yay for trailing whitespace |
| 07:48.43 | captain_proton | whoa.... |
| 07:48.49 | captain_proton | vim does keyword completion ^^ |
| 07:50.50 | captain_proton | oh man, thats damn cool |
| 08:13.50 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (4 files in 2 dirs): I love you too Evan |
| 08:18.59 | captain_proton | argh |
| 08:19.09 | captain_proton | i hate playing on teams with incompetants |
| 08:19.15 | captain_proton | on the other hand, i noticed something really neat |
| 08:19.18 | *** join/#bzflag helio (helio@p50813493.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:19.23 | captain_proton | drop a team flag directly on top of a superflag |
| 08:19.27 | captain_proton | can't see it on radar =} |
| 08:24.19 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:26.49 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (observer.py): And now to toss the first small bits of pygame into the mix |
| 08:30.41 | captain_proton | howso? |
| 08:31.00 | scanline | I'm not exactly sure, but it looks like it's ignoring my new constructor and calling the original one |
| 08:32.22 | captain_proton | ew |
| 08:32.42 | scanline | all of that code's in C, so they might have taken some shortcuts... |
| 08:34.49 | captain_proton | eww |
| 08:34.51 | captain_proton | bzfs segfault |
| 08:44.14 | captain_proton | #14 0x0805b0d3 in addPlayer (playerIndex=0) at bzfs.cxx:3606 |
| 08:44.17 | captain_proton | #15 0x08063d73 in handleCommand (t=0, code=25966, len=165, rawbuf=0x808ee20) at bzfs.cxx:5442 |
| 08:44.17 | captain_proton | #16 0x0806ae4c in main (argc=6, argv=0xbffff644) at bzfs.cxx:7401 |
| 08:44.21 | captain_proton | ^^^^ any thoughts on that, anyone? |
| 08:49.11 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.16 | scanline | I think my CVS is a little old for that |
| 08:49.24 | captain_proton | yeah, likely |
| 08:49.35 | captain_proton | learner was separating bzfs out into multiple files :) |
| 08:49.52 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:49.54 | scanline | ooh, yay |
| 08:50.32 | scanline | hmm, know what playerIndex is? |
| 08:51.30 | captain_proton | in my case it was 0 |
| 08:51.36 | captain_proton | listening on 0.0.0.0:5155 |
| 08:51.38 | captain_proton | Player [0] accept() from 127.0.0.1:35906 on 6 |
| 08:51.38 | captain_proton | Segmentation fault |
| 08:51.51 | scanline | interesting.. is player sane? |
| 08:52.16 | captain_proton | not sure, should be |
| 08:52.43 | captain_proton | one possibility is that its not sending the callsign correctly |
| 08:53.37 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzflag (RadarRenderer.cxx): draw team flags after normal flags on radar, so that team flags can't be hidden |
| 08:54.11 | scanline | yaknow, would be pretty easy to use this python stuff to make a proxy that sits between client and server and dumps the messages in a human-readable form |
| 08:56.52 | captain_proton | that'd be neat |
| 08:57.07 | captain_proton | another nifty use for it would be an observer proxy |
| 08:57.43 | captain_proton | heh, not quite what i meant ;) |
| 08:57.55 | captain_proton | like dircproxy, but neater! |
| 08:58.05 | scanline | hehe |
| 08:58.29 | captain_proton | ok, my head has hurt since the drive back |
| 08:58.32 | captain_proton | so i'm gonna hit the sack |
| 08:58.37 | captain_proton | 'night |
| 08:58.50 | scanline | ok, g'night |
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| 10:04.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (3 files in 3 dirs): Wow, it can sort of draw the world |
| 10:24.07 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): Somewhat more sane colors now. I'm still not sure if objectToPoly() is correct. |
| 10:51.51 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): Rearchitected EventLoop so it can do more than watch sockets, added some very primitive code to OverheadView for it to continuously redraw the display. This still needs a real system for tracking timers. |
| 11:02.34 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): Draw player locations on the OverheadView |
| 11:09.53 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (3 files in 2 dirs): Added some throwaway code to OverheadView to call game.integrate() for testing dead reckoning |
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| 13:57.35 | Chikorita | peepz! |
| 13:57.44 | Chikorita | hi :) |
| 14:00.01 | Chikorita | peopleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 14:00.06 | Chikorita | ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:00.13 | Chikorita | no 1 iz here :\ |
| 14:00.17 | Chikorita | wahh |
| 14:00.26 | learner | hello |
| 14:00.32 | Chikorita | i leavin... |
| 14:00.35 | learner | :) |
| 14:00.38 | Chikorita | learner!!! |
| 14:00.40 | learner | you woke me up. :) |
| 14:00.46 | Chikorita | heehe HIYAZ |
| 14:00.48 | Chikorita | morning |
| 14:01.04 | Chikorita | aww i sowee i disturbee u sleep |
| 14:01.06 | learner | mornin' |
| 14:01.11 | learner | nah |
| 14:01.25 | learner | it was time to get up |
| 14:01.28 | Chikorita | wanna morning pepsi? |
| 14:01.40 | learner | hehehee, that'd be good |
| 14:01.42 | Chikorita | i was jus gonna get mee 1 , 2 |
| 14:01.47 | Chikorita | kk |
| 14:01.56 | Chikorita | here u go >>> [-] |
| 14:02.11 | Chikorita | heehe itz a pepsi can |
| 14:02.18 | Chikorita | :) |
| 14:02.30 | learner | thx :) |
| 14:02.41 | Chikorita | itz a lil warm tho , i got it from da pepsi closet |
| 14:02.44 | Chikorita | :P |
| 14:03.10 | learner | mmm... hot pepsi, hot day |
| 14:03.21 | Chikorita | yes i have a closet jus for pepsi ...an sumtimes cokey cola |
| 14:03.28 | Chikorita | lol heehe yup |
| 14:03.37 | Chikorita | itz muggy out i dunt like it |
| 14:03.50 | Chikorita | cept wen i wear mee bikini |
| 14:03.55 | learner | you still at the beach? |
| 14:04.12 | Chikorita | ya buh i leavin lata today :( |
| 14:04.31 | Chikorita | heh |
| 14:04.42 | Chikorita | u kno wut... |
| 14:05.08 | Chikorita | oops brb PM... |
| 14:05.19 | Mayhem | morning learner :) |
| 14:05.33 | Chikorita | Mayhemmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:05.36 | learner | Mornin' Mayhem |
| 14:06.01 | Mayhem | yes, a bzrquorum |
| 14:06.18 | Chikorita | quorum? |
| 14:06.27 | Chikorita | wuts dat? |
| 14:06.34 | learner | ~dict quorum |
| 14:06.40 | Chikorita | iz dat like a paradox? |
| 14:06.57 | learner | hehe... |
| 14:07.01 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 14:07.05 | learner | yea.. kinda like a paradox, I guess. :) |
| 14:07.20 | Chikorita | ~dict paradox |
| 14:07.43 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 14:08.02 | learner | yep business == paradox, at least where I work :) |
| 14:08.12 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 14:08.12 | Mayhem | heh |
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| 14:08.44 | Chikorita | did u get caught playin BZ at werk? |
| 14:09.09 | Chikorita | itz nice here taday... |
| 14:09.11 | learner | only once.. months ago last winter :) |
| 14:09.19 | Chikorita | o i c |
| 14:09.43 | Chikorita | im gettin bored here ....i dun everything dat iz 2 do |
| 14:09.57 | learner | we can trade places |
| 14:10.05 | Chikorita | i met dis boy ...hez really cute , cept 4 hiz goatie |
| 14:10.18 | Chikorita | i HATE goatiess |
| 14:10.25 | Chikorita | :(- |
| 14:10.29 | Chikorita | ick |
| 14:10.39 | learner | heh |
| 14:10.42 | Chikorita | i jus wanna shave it offa him |
| 14:10.44 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 14:11.05 | Chikorita | othawise hee a cutie :) |
| 14:11.12 | Chikorita | wee went on da ferris wheel |
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| 14:11.23 | learner | aw.. chika's in luv |
| 14:11.37 | Mayhem | welcome david |
| 14:11.37 | Chikorita | he won mee a fluffy horsie :) |
| 14:11.41 | Chikorita | hi david! |
| 14:11.44 | david_v | hey all :) |
| 14:11.45 | Mayhem | aww, ain't that sweet :) |
| 14:12.04 | Chikorita | imma miss him wen i leave tonite :( |
| 14:12.28 | Chikorita | he lives in york pennsylvania |
| 14:12.28 | Chikorita | dats kinda far... |
| 14:13.01 | Chikorita | heehe :P |
| 14:13.34 | Chikorita | anywayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
| 14:13.53 | learner | so did you get him started playing bzflag? |
| 14:14.09 | Chikorita | so david how many times wee gotta beat ya til u join our team ;) heehe j/k |
| 14:14.16 | david_v | lol :) |
| 14:14.18 | Mayhem | ooooh |
| 14:14.20 | learner | lol |
| 14:14.22 | Chikorita | no he duznt kno bout BZ |
| 14:14.22 | david_v | tooooo late :) we're four now |
| 14:14.33 | Chikorita | hmmpf |
| 14:14.40 | david_v | i might pick one or two more members, then close the team |
| 14:14.46 | Chikorita | ooH |
| 14:14.48 | david_v | ... for new members, is implied :) |
| 14:15.32 | Chikorita | okies ..jus remember ...deres alwayz a spot open for an ol' consumption buddy ;) |
| 14:15.58 | david_v | hehe ;) |
| 14:16.18 | david_v | our team is working well now, i'm content with it |
| 14:16.20 | Chikorita | mah other boyfriend sez he tinks BZ iz dum :( |
| 14:16.32 | learner | that's grounds for dumping |
| 14:16.34 | david_v | hm |
| 14:16.55 | learner | unless he's really cute and has the "blin blin" |
| 14:16.58 | Chikorita | he playz dat game Rise of Nataions... |
| 14:17.09 | Chikorita | lol@bling bling |
| 14:17.11 | Mayhem | I take it he lacks a goatee? :) |
| 14:17.18 | Chikorita | ya he haz blingage |
| 14:17.30 | Chikorita | esp. on hiz car :P |
| 14:17.45 | learner | eww |
| 14:17.57 | Chikorita | if he had a goatie i would shave it offa him wen he sleepin ;) |
| 14:17.59 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 14:18.31 | Chikorita | ya dem gold lil badges on hiz car i tink r tacky lookin |
| 14:19.01 | learner | blingage on a car is usually a bad thing.. |
| 14:19.04 | Chikorita | wut otha games do yall like 2 play besides BZ? |
| 14:19.14 | Chikorita | i like starcraft |
| 14:19.37 | Chikorita | an umm...i was playin dis game da otha day im not sure wut itz called buh it looked weally kewl |
| 14:19.39 | Mayhem | david_v has got me hooked on Wolf-ET :) |
| 14:19.43 | Chikorita | lol learner |
| 14:19.52 | david_v | Mayhem: isn't it the other way around? ;) |
| 14:19.55 | Mayhem | moi? |
| 14:20.00 | david_v | you never know :) |
| 14:20.04 | Chikorita | o yea! i heard about dat free wolfenstein d/l |
| 14:20.50 | Mayhem | Any progress on the ISP front Chiko? |
| 14:21.13 | Chikorita | i found dis otha game itz free on da web an itz weally kewl buh i afraid if i tell u no one wil play BZ anymore :( |
| 14:21.25 | learner | hey, if david can find his teamies.. we might be able to have that 3-3 now.. |
| 14:22.07 | Chikorita | ya wee r gonna get alot done on our webby soon , buh cuz Evil nuggy iz bizzy moving it was stalled 4 awhile.. |
| 14:22.39 | david_v | learner: sounds fine, they should be around as i told them about a possible HoW match |
| 14:23.28 | Chikorita | brb |
| 14:26.48 | Chikorita | mayhem? |
| 14:26.55 | Chikorita | ur in england yes? |
| 14:27.09 | learner | he's in a cheeky place.. yes :) |
| 14:27.13 | Mayhem | scotland. close :) |
| 14:27.15 | Chikorita | lol |
| 14:27.17 | Chikorita | k |
| 14:27.25 | Mayhem | :p @ cheeky learner |
| 14:27.37 | learner | :) |
| 14:27.45 | Mayhem | ~dict cheeky |
| 14:28.26 | learner | see.. I nice bold place to live :) |
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| 14:28.39 | Skipp | how do u enable the report command on your server? |
| 14:29.05 | Chikorita | hi skippy |
| 14:29.09 | Skipp | hey |
| 14:29.48 | Chikorita | every1 plays wif da spitfire i dunno y |
| 14:30.01 | Chikorita | i like da p51 betta :) |
| 14:30.16 | Skipp | it is a cool plane |
| 14:30.28 | Skipp | what game u playing? |
| 14:30.50 | Mayhem | its a uk game, of course the prefer the spitfire :) |
| 14:31.14 | Chikorita | hmmpf |
| 14:36.06 | Skipp | do either of u guys know how to enable the /report command on a server? |
| 14:36.25 | Mayhem | sorry Skipp, never tried it. |
| 14:37.26 | Chikorita | hey guess wut i bought |
| 14:37.28 | learner | -reportfile <filename> |
| 14:37.41 | Skipp | cool, thanks learner |
| 14:37.46 | learner | there is also -reportpipe <filename> |
| 14:37.53 | learner | lemme see what the difference is |
| 14:38.00 | Skipp | k |
| 14:38.15 | Chikorita | skipp so u got cable now? |
| 14:38.21 | Skipp | yep :) |
| 14:38.24 | Chikorita | kewl :) |
| 14:38.27 | Chikorita | mee 2 |
| 14:38.27 | learner | ah.. if you have a script (like a mail prog) you can pipe the data to it using reportpipe |
| 14:38.27 | Skipp | very happy |
| 14:38.29 | Chikorita | i lub it |
| 14:38.33 | Chikorita | heehe yup |
| 14:38.36 | learner | otherwise, just use reportfile |
| 14:39.07 | Chikorita | mmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:39.10 | Chikorita | omg |
| 14:39.35 | Chikorita | so yummy dis super sweet strawberry spray candy |
| 14:39.38 | Chikorita | yum! |
| 14:40.05 | Skipp | u guys have gatorade in europe? |
| 14:40.14 | Chikorita | any1 tried fun dip b4? |
| 14:40.46 | Chikorita | artic gatorade iz mah fav gatorade :) |
| 14:41.03 | learner | other dev question.. does reportfile always append to EOF? |
| 14:41.10 | Chikorita | actually i like powerade betta |
| 14:41.14 | Mayhem | hmm, not sure if we get Gatorade here... I've seen it, but not sure where. |
| 14:41.17 | Skipp | how do u view your report learner? |
| 14:41.28 | learner | it should just be a text file, skipp |
| 14:41.40 | learner | -reportfile "testfile.txt" |
| 14:42.22 | learner | no you're not! |
| 14:42.29 | learner | :( |
| 14:42.35 | Chikorita | hehee okies |
| 14:42.42 | learner | :) |
| 14:42.44 | Mayhem | Umm, is this game supposed to be in japanese? |
| 14:42.52 | david_v | hehe |
| 14:43.01 | Chikorita | itz ritten in korean |
| 14:43.18 | Mayhem | oops, my bad. Should be able to recognise the difference :( |
| 14:43.29 | Chikorita | there iz a english menu translation on da UK AirAttack site |
| 14:44.04 | Chikorita | i think itz ...1 , 3 , den 1 again to get into da noobie server |
| 14:44.28 | Chikorita | an first u hafta set up ur preferences... |
| 14:45.18 | Chikorita | ooH neat |
| 14:45.41 | Mayhem | Chikorita: where is the translation file? |
| 14:47.16 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.132.217) |
| 14:48.24 | Chikorita | it should be listed on da left side on the website |
| 14:48.35 | Chikorita | lemme c if i can find it 4 u |
| 14:48.35 | Mayhem | ok |
| 14:48.38 | Chikorita | brb |
| 14:48.40 | Mayhem | I've got it |
| 14:50.13 | Chikorita | mayhem itz under Korean Menu Guide |
| 14:50.20 | Chikorita | on da left ... |
| 14:50.37 | Chikorita | under AirAttak Guide section |
| 14:51.20 | Chikorita | wuts phpNuke 6.5? |
| 14:51.32 | Chikorita | iz dat sum sort of webby code stuff? |
| 14:51.40 | learner | yes |
| 14:51.45 | Chikorita | o okies |
| 14:51.49 | Chikorita | dats wut i tho |
| 14:51.53 | sussudio | talk normal |
| 14:52.02 | learner | it's the code that runs the website |
| 14:52.24 | Chikorita | dunt pick da p38 cuz dat plane iz not weally good 4 noobies |
| 14:53.23 | Mayhem | Hmm, why is options 2 and 3 greyed out? |
| 14:54.00 | Chikorita | i dunno ... |
| 14:54.08 | Chikorita | i havent played it in awhile |
| 14:54.47 | Mayhem | Hmm, seem I have to sign up for an account. |
| 14:54.49 | Chikorita | wut options menu r u on rite now? |
| 14:55.04 | Chikorita | ya u have to register ur name , jus one time tho |
| 14:55.56 | Chikorita | :\ |
| 14:56.14 | sussudio | talk english |
| 14:56.28 | Chikorita | itz becuz u get rankings too in dat game |
| 14:56.44 | Chikorita | so u hafta register an stuff i tink |
| 14:57.19 | Chikorita | dunt tell susstupido bout it |
| 14:58.14 | sussudio | someone who talks in retard has no rights. |
| 14:59.15 | Chikorita | a-holes should have no rights either |
| 14:59.18 | Chikorita | heh |
| 14:59.38 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 14:59.48 | sussudio | yes, that was a very witty remark. your parents were cousins, weren't they? |
| 15:00.00 | learner | now now, kids |
| 15:00.22 | sussudio | is it so much to ask to talk english in here? |
| 15:00.28 | Chikorita | cousins i dunt tink so ... at least they r da same species unlike urs |
| 15:00.30 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 15:00.47 | Chikorita | lol learner |
| 15:00.47 | Chikorita | spank mee |
| 15:00.49 | Chikorita | ;) |
| 15:01.21 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:01.24 | sussudio | do kids in the US even go to school anymore? |
| 15:01.34 | Chikorita | sussudio prolly enjoyed it too LoL eww |
| 15:01.44 | Chikorita | he iz a sicko |
| 15:01.54 | sussudio | talk normal you stupid cow |
| 15:01.59 | Chikorita | itz sunday ...skool iz out fool |
| 15:02.05 | learner | ok.. this is crossing a line |
| 15:02.09 | Chikorita | dunt b an azz |
| 15:02.27 | Chikorita | no 1 iz even talkin 2 u susstupido |
| 15:02.58 | Chikorita | u alwayz jus butt into a convo an b ur usual azz self |
| 15:03.14 | sussudio | the US will fall into disarray in the next generation or 2, with drooling idiots like that. Canadians will have to come over and run the place. |
| 15:03.37 | Chikorita | canadians? LoLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 15:03.51 | Chikorita | iz dat u LT.D |
| 15:03.54 | Chikorita | ? |
| 15:04.05 | sussudio | god, i hope it won't breed. |
| 15:04.33 | Chikorita | canada=the 52nd state of the U.S. |
| 15:04.55 | Chikorita | itz da state wee dunt like to tink about |
| 15:05.16 | Chikorita | where wee dump our trash an watch da rats breed offa our waste |
| 15:05.22 | Chikorita | heehe |
| 15:05.51 | Chikorita | wen i tink of canada , john candy alwayz comes to mind |
| 15:06.06 | Chikorita | and da werd "hoser" |
| 15:06.10 | Chikorita | LoL |
| 15:06.29 | Chikorita | dat iz canadas contribution to society |
| 15:06.53 | Chikorita | anywayzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz |
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| 15:32.31 | learner | Any takes, David? |
| 15:32.35 | learner | er, takers? |
| 15:32.45 | david_v | i just came, what's it about? |
| 15:32.56 | learner | takers for a 3-3 match.. :) |
| 15:33.12 | Mayhem | dabomb is on ducati |
| 15:33.12 | Chikorita | yay 3-3! |
| 15:33.20 | learner | ~d |
| 15:33.43 | david_v | learner: sure count me in :) |
| 15:34.15 | Chikorita | i saw him there since 9am |
| 15:34.29 | Chikorita | ooH KR iz on eh |
| 15:34.45 | Chikorita | lol@asses of fire name |
| 15:35.02 | learner | hopefully not a tk'er |
| 15:35.49 | Chikorita | bbl |
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| 15:38.03 | CIA | 03brlcad * 12bzflag/src/platform/MacOSX/BZFlag.pbproj (project.pbxproj): updated project to include new bzfs class files |
| 15:38.09 | learner | Evening, Ches. |
| 15:38.14 | Chestal | hello, hello |
| 15:38.28 | Chestal | got fed up with bz earlier |
| 15:40.13 | learner | ah...... |
| 15:40.30 | learner | I just realized that CIA still reports the commit person.. |
| 15:40.41 | learner | who set it to *white*! |
| 15:41.17 | Chestal | white? |
| 15:41.17 | learner | that's as detrimental as setting it to black |
| 15:41.28 | Chestal | no colours here |
| 15:41.43 | learner | it's got text markup that says it should be color white if the client supports it |
| 15:41.59 | learner | my client apparently supports it |
| 15:43.36 | Mayhem | which bit is white? |
| 15:43.52 | learner | CIA: 3brlcad * 2b |
| 15:43.54 | Mayhem | for me, brlcad is green :) |
| 15:44.02 | learner | ok, code "3" |
| 15:44.08 | learner | :) |
| 15:45.12 | learner | 0Can anyone read this? |
| 15:45.26 | Mayhem | ? |
| 15:46.24 | learner | white on white == bad |
| 15:49.54 | Chestal | all the fun I am missing without colors :-) |
| 15:50.26 | david_v | Ctrl-Alt-F7 must be the best function :) |
| 15:50.48 | learner | windows-ism.. what's it do? |
| 15:50.54 | david_v | irssi on Windows? hehe |
| 15:51.20 | learner | Is it me or is -directory borked? |
| 15:51.39 | david_v | Ctrl-Alt-F7 in X in Linux, normally switches to your graphical display |
| 15:52.11 | learner | AH.. *that* ctrl-alt-f7 heheheh |
| 15:52.17 | david_v | hm :) |
| 15:52.43 | learner | I'm always on ctrl-alt f1-f6 :) |
| 15:52.49 | david_v | heh |
| 15:53.13 | Mayhem | learner: -directory wasn't working for me just before |
| 15:53.24 | Mayhem | had to make a symlink :) |
| 15:54.43 | learner | if I make it one directory up .. it will run |
| 15:54.54 | learner | but I get no resources loaded! |
| 15:55.10 | learner | buncha pink buildings .. :) |
| 15:55.20 | david_v | heh |
| 15:55.22 | Mayhem | heh, yep, I had that the other day, very funky |
| 15:55.28 | Mayhem | and smearing colours |
| 15:56.12 | learner | I bet, at least in my case, it has something to do with the different resource mechanisms os x is using |
| 15:56.33 | learner | probably assumes I'm built from project builder |
| 15:57.20 | learner | lol, sucker |
| 15:57.41 | Mayhem | I can block images, but not flash :( |
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| 15:58.04 | Mayhem | wb Chiko |
| 15:58.07 | Chikorita | ok im back |
| 15:58.09 | Chikorita | ty |
| 15:58.32 | Chikorita | ooH! |
| 15:58.43 | Chikorita | now i kno wut gregs "grml" means |
| 15:58.48 | learner | LOL |
| 15:58.52 | Chikorita | itz short for Grumble |
| 15:59.02 | Chikorita | grumble grimble |
| 15:59.05 | Chikorita | :P |
| 15:59.07 | learner | it means 'general resource markup language" to me.. :) |
| 15:59.15 | Chikorita | lol |
| 15:59.18 | Chikorita | hey umm |
| 15:59.21 | Mayhem | I thought it was 'Gregs markup language' |
| 15:59.26 | learner | heh |
| 15:59.31 | learner | that'd work too |
| 15:59.34 | Chikorita | any1 interested in playin USD in a match ums? |
| 15:59.53 | Mayhem | hmm, USD. 2v2 or 3v3? |
| 16:00.00 | Chikorita | KR and benny r on ducati an dey sed dey would b interested... |
| 16:00.03 | Chikorita | ~d |
| 16:00.14 | Chikorita | 2v2...i tink |
| 16:00.19 | learner | mmmm... |
| 16:00.40 | Chikorita | i like playin KR , he plays alot like mee so itz like a mirror... |
| 16:00.47 | learner | benny any good? :) |
| 16:01.06 | Chikorita | benny iz pretty good ya ... |
| 16:01.17 | learner | better than me? |
| 16:01.39 | Chikorita | dey were my former teamies wen i was on TSD..so i kno dey way dey play |
| 16:01.49 | Chikorita | he iz about da same as u |
| 16:01.55 | learner | that bad, huh? |
| 16:01.59 | Chikorita | both of ya r good ums :) |
| 16:02.03 | Chikorita | LoL learner |
| 16:02.33 | learner | well.. I need to give my wrists a break, then I'll go practice and warm-up some |
| 16:02.35 | Mayhem | I didn't know we had already played USD... bad memory |
| 16:02.40 | Chikorita | dunt worry i kno wee can beat dem ..didnt mee an u beat dem last time learner? |
| 16:02.47 | learner | we have? |
| 16:02.52 | learner | uh.. um.. |
| 16:03.00 | learner | yea.. suuuuuure. |
| 16:03.02 | Chikorita | awhile ago i thinks |
| 16:03.10 | Chikorita | it was KR an rammy last time |
| 16:03.18 | learner | oh wait.. I remember that |
| 16:03.25 | Chikorita | uh huh lol |
| 16:03.27 | Mayhem | odd, inconsistency in the league db |
| 16:03.44 | learner | heh, that's because ramstein was weak, though (no offense rammy!) |
| 16:03.48 | Mayhem | no, my bad |
| 16:04.21 | Chikorita | ya rammy kinda weak , (lol dunt tell him dat) buh he iz a nice guy |
| 16:04.44 | Chikorita | spiff held him back from playin in any matches... |
| 16:04.46 | learner | 2003-06-24 05:03:28 |
| 16:04.46 | learner | BzRebels vs. The Untouchable Scurvy Dogs |
| 16:04.46 | learner | 4 |
| 16:04.46 | learner | - |
| 16:04.48 | learner | 3 |
| 16:05.03 | Chikorita | yup |
| 16:05.04 | learner | eek, that paste didn't work the way I planned.. |
| 16:05.47 | Chikorita | i weally wanna beat dat TAF , spiff annoys mee 4 sum reason LoL |
| 16:05.58 | Chikorita | i jus wanna c wut he would say |
| 16:06.10 | Chikorita | jus 2 c hiz reaction |
| 16:06.32 | Mayhem | we would be able to hear the ego deflate all over the world |
| 16:06.37 | Chikorita | LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL |
| 16:06.54 | Chikorita | it would sound like a big long sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 16:07.12 | Chikorita | sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss wahh ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss sniff ssssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 16:07.16 | Chikorita | LoLLLLL |
| 16:07.19 | learner | they almost lost it yesterday to HoW, but alas they still won |
| 16:08.27 | Chikorita | rest dem wrists learner ;) |
| 16:08.40 | Chikorita | hmm dats a tongue twister |
| 16:08.56 | Chikorita | say "rest dem wrists" 10 time weally fast... |
| 16:09.03 | Chikorita | lollllllllllll |
| 16:09.09 | Chikorita | im so silly taday |
| 16:09.12 | Chikorita | :P |
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| 16:09.50 | Chikorita | hmm |
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| 16:10.34 | Chikorita | wb david |
| 16:10.37 | david_v | thx |
| 16:10.55 | Chikorita | okies i goin 2 ducati ta c wuts up , bbl |
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| 16:48.55 | Noodleman | m00f |
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| 16:50.16 | Noodleman | f00m |
| 17:52.09 | learner | m00? |
| 17:52.11 | Mayhem | I think we've damaged bens' brain |
| 17:52.16 | learner | yes |
| 17:52.26 | david_v | Mayhem: saw a part of the match... heh |
| 17:52.31 | Mayhem | no-one *wants* to play like TTT |
| 17:52.40 | Mayhem | david_v: you sure you wanna take us on again? |
| 17:52.56 | learner | man, I think we really broke their spirit on that second match after about 5 minutes |
| 17:53.03 | learner | that match seemed to last forever |
| 17:53.13 | Mayhem | yes, they really stopped playing well |
| 17:53.13 | Chestal | hmm, what happened? the first match was so good? |
| 17:53.20 | learner | that or the Corona started kicking in |
| 17:53.40 | Mayhem | hehe. just before I captured bens just stopped dead and let me shoot him. |
| 17:53.42 | david_v | Mayhem: haven't heard from HoW yet, was out a little late. so we could meet you ,yes |
| 17:53.44 | learner | my gameplay in the first match was horrible Chestal |
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| 17:54.04 | learner | worst match ever for me, even though I was able to make the shot the few times it counted |
| 17:54.09 | Mayhem | many times they didn't even attempt to dodge a double-shot |
| 17:54.14 | Chikorita | i tink dey took it badly :( |
| 17:54.16 | learner | second match was much more on par |
| 17:54.31 | Mayhem | you want the scores Chestal? |
| 17:54.34 | learner | many times they didn't even "attempt" |
| 17:54.45 | Chestal | I entered the first match |
| 17:54.49 | learner | what was the final score? I wasn't paying attention |
| 17:54.52 | Mayhem | second was 11-0 |
| 17:54.54 | Chikorita | ya i tink benny sorta gave up at one point :( |
| 17:55.01 | learner | ah |
| 17:55.20 | learner | he did started shooting a wall for no apparent reason and everything |
| 17:55.22 | Chikorita | i feel bad for dem ...buh wut can i say ...we played fair an square |
| 17:55.31 | Chikorita | nu guyz didn nuffin wrong |
| 17:55.37 | Chikorita | u |
| 17:55.42 | Chikorita | ndang n |
| 17:55.44 | Chikorita | grr |
| 17:55.46 | learner | the lost poorly and then wouldn't take advice on what they did wrong |
| 17:55.48 | Mayhem | I think it was more a moral thing |
| 17:55.54 | Mayhem | s/moral/morale/ |
| 17:55.59 | learner | :) |
| 17:56.08 | Chestal | yes, probably. They are quite good usually, oh well |
| 17:56.13 | learner | it might have been morally wrong to go to 11 .. :) |
| 17:56.27 | learner | I was a bit peaved at being called a cheater, though |
| 17:56.36 | Chikorita | well , wee lost to BiPs 3 times in a row , an wee didnt act like dat |
| 17:56.43 | learner | they just couldn't match close range combat really well |
| 17:56.55 | Chikorita | neva give up ...dats my motto :) |
| 17:57.54 | Mayhem | we have leap-frogged them on the ladder now |
| 17:57.59 | learner | my track and crew coaches would kick our *sses if we showed any hint of giving up during a race -- even if we were dead last |
| 17:58.04 | Chikorita | o well ,,,dey asked 4 da rematch ... |
| 17:58.21 | Chikorita | learner :) |
| 17:58.27 | learner | they were disillusioned by my rather poor performance ;) |
| 17:58.51 | learner | they though they were "close" to winning |
| 17:58.57 | Mayhem | team guideline - only rematch if you have just won |
| 17:59.08 | Chikorita | i dunt believe in givin up ...wen i played TLZ for da first time i lost bad buh wen i score mah first capture against dem it was like i feel i had won ;) |
| 17:59.18 | learner | Shows that I either 1) have to really warm up or 2) grab that Corona earlier :) |
| 17:59.43 | Chikorita | LoL learner |
| 17:59.57 | learner | heh, Chika.. that was like greg and i's match with tlz.. :) |
| 17:59.59 | Mayhem | how much corona do you drink learner? |
| 18:00.06 | Chikorita | corona iz ur secret weapon , lol |
| 18:00.17 | learner | only a half bottle.. |
| 18:00.23 | Chikorita | O.O |
| 18:00.25 | Chikorita | o.O |
| 18:00.27 | Chikorita | O.o |
| 18:00.35 | Mayhem | what, 2 litre bottle? |
| 18:00.37 | Chikorita | ^_^ |
| 18:00.39 | learner | heh |
| 18:00.43 | Chikorita | lol mayhem |
| 18:00.56 | Chikorita | dat would b funny if beer came in 2liter bottles |
| 18:01.12 | learner | you can get 1 ltr bottles |
| 18:01.20 | Chikorita | u would need a bigger bad to drink it wif ;) |
| 18:01.22 | Mayhem | I've seen cider in 5 ltr bottles... |
| 18:01.25 | Chikorita | bag |
| 18:01.41 | learner | that's called a "jug" when it's that big mayhem... :) |
| 18:01.43 | Chikorita | those arent bottles m those r jugs |
| 18:01.46 | Chikorita | LoL yup |
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| 18:02.24 | Chikorita | ni once bought a 5 liter jug of aloe vera juice... |
| 18:02.36 | Chikorita | it tasted funny , buh it was good |
| 18:02.38 | Mayhem | wow, that would get you off your face |
| 18:02.49 | Chikorita | made ur tongue kinda scratchy like.. |
| 18:03.15 | Chikorita | it taste like lemonade , buh wifout da sourness |
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| 18:03.34 | learner | hey.. that match bumped us up a notch on the scoreboard |
| 18:03.46 | Chikorita | ya itz good for ur face too , lol |
| 18:03.53 | Chikorita | and ur hair |
| 18:04.01 | Chikorita | i used it 4 everything ;0 |
| 18:04.09 | Mayhem | ^^^^ <Mayhem> we have leap-frogged them on the ladder now |
| 18:04.29 | learner | I missed that mayhemm... |
| 18:04.31 | Mayhem | learner: yeah, I had to work that one out too :) |
| 18:04.39 | learner | maybe I've had more corona that I realize |
| 18:04.44 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:04.52 | Mayhem | as long as it makes you play well, I don't mind |
| 18:05.22 | learner | if I pass two, my gameplay starts to suffer.. |
| 18:05.32 | learner | one seems to be a sweet spot, though |
| 18:05.32 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 18:05.49 | Mayhem | I spy Carnage on ducati |
| 18:05.57 | learner | !d |
| 18:05.59 | learner | ~d |
| 18:06.01 | david_v | hi MortimeR |
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| 18:06.04 | MortimeR | hi |
| 18:06.14 | Chikorita | ya ...he was talkin 2 mee so i left... |
| 18:06.28 | learner | he's been there a while |
| 18:06.47 | Chikorita | hez doin pretty good... |
| 18:06.59 | learner | developers: has anyone been messing with the resource/data dir loading? |
| 18:07.17 | larsl_56k | learner: I know that someone talked about doing it. |
| 18:07.19 | Chikorita | did anyone watch da HoW vs. TAF match last nite? |
| 18:07.32 | learner | something has changed in the past week |
| 18:07.49 | larsl_56k | captain_proton has been doing stuff with bzdb, I think. |
| 18:07.51 | Mayhem | the config stuff is all being changed, might be a side affect |
| 18:08.04 | *** part/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-226.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 18:08.16 | learner | I know there is a config setting option for the DATA dir.. but it's not supposed to be used on os x |
| 18:08.53 | Chikorita | i dunt trust G2.. |
| 18:09.14 | learner | why, chika? |
| 18:09.21 | learner | it's not that much different than g1 or g0 |
| 18:09.27 | Chikorita | i tink itz got so many patches , like band-aids on top of band aids... |
| 18:09.28 | Mayhem | bens had concerns about the radar in g2 |
| 18:09.32 | learner | at least, networking-wise |
| 18:10.25 | learner | I've seen shots go through yet "miss" before, but there was certainly nothing out of the ordinary |
| 18:10.44 | Chikorita | i remember bens tellin mee wen he first d/l an tried G2 dat da shots on radar looked like caterpillars(?) |
| 18:10.58 | learner | ?? |
| 18:11.03 | Mayhem | I had one kill lag about a second before he blew up, but apart from that seems ok |
| 18:11.08 | larsl_56k | You can set the shot length on the radar. Maybe the config file had changed somehow. |
| 18:11.08 | learner | you can set the shot length.. maybe that's what he means |
| 18:11.12 | Chikorita | i dunno either wut he meant |
| 18:11.23 | Chikorita | ooH i c |
| 18:11.32 | Mayhem | I have my shot length at full so I can judge trajectory easier |
| 18:11.48 | learner | he can set it to nice and short like g0 had. |
| 18:12.01 | learner | same, mayhem (well, one less than full) |
| 18:12.31 | learner | it shows direction, not just threat |
| 18:12.35 | Chikorita | ni have mine set at tiny |
| 18:12.45 | learner | "n"you do? |
| 18:12.50 | Chikorita | lol |
| 18:12.51 | Mayhem | hehe |
| 18:12.53 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 18:13.05 | Mayhem | we are the knights that say 'ni' |
| 18:13.12 | Chikorita | ni! |
| 18:13.18 | learner | nay! |
| 18:13.34 | Mayhem | non! |
| 18:13.47 | learner | noff! |
| 18:13.52 | Noodleman | nein! |
| 18:13.53 | Mayhem | nroff! |
| 18:14.01 | Mayhem | nix! |
| 18:14.06 | Mayhem | nuts |
| 18:14.11 | Noodleman | Noodleman, noodle, noodle!!! |
| 18:14.12 | learner | no I se |
| 18:14.14 | david_v | nuff now, guys :) |
| 18:14.16 | Chikorita | nicht |
| 18:14.25 | Mayhem | ok, I'm done :) |
| 18:14.32 | Chikorita | daviddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd |
| 18:14.44 | Mayhem | omg, d key stuck |
| 18:14.57 | larsl_56k | Does anyone else see a huge dark rectangle in the mountain background sometimes? |
| 18:15.01 | Chikorita | lol nuh uh |
| 18:15.01 | learner | I wanna play a match with chikums |
| 18:15.10 | learner | did you put your puter in the freezer yet? |
| 18:15.12 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: is what version? |
| 18:15.14 | larsl_56k | I see it behind red base on xmission all the time. |
| 18:15.16 | larsl_56k | g2. |
| 18:15.31 | Chikorita | hmm |
| 18:15.36 | larsl_56k | Sometimes it's 'sheared' too. |
| 18:16.03 | learner | never noticed, larsl |
| 18:16.38 | Chikorita | :) |
| 18:17.28 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: is it always there? I can't see it. |
| 18:17.30 | Chikorita | itz so hott in herre , even wif da a.c on |
| 18:17.35 | learner | larsl I don't see anything either |
| 18:17.48 | Chikorita | dis hotel room iz nice buh da a.c is kinda weak... :\ |
| 18:18.01 | learner | perhaps your missing one of the mountain textures |
| 18:18.14 | Mayhem | Chikorita: is that what you are doing with your holiday, sitting indoors at the hotel being geeky? |
| 18:18.15 | Chikorita | o yea dat makes sense |
| 18:18.31 | Chikorita | lol mee geeky? |
| 18:18.48 | Mayhem | you took your laptop on holiday... |
| 18:18.56 | Chikorita | sumtimes i sit out on da balcony , i have a awesum view of da boardwalk from here |
| 18:19.16 | larsl_56k | Mayhem: Almost always. But it doesn't have exactly the same shape all the time. |
| 18:19.26 | larsl_56k | Maybe my data files are borken somhow. |
| 18:19.32 | Mayhem | hehe @ learner |
| 18:19.37 | Chikorita | i brought mee laptop so i can check mee mail everyday...didnt expect to play BZ tho , LoL |
| 18:19.41 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: you can look at the texture files... |
| 18:19.46 | Chikorita | lol learner |
| 18:20.37 | Chikorita | *sigh* |
| 18:20.39 | larsl_56k | mountain.rgb looks fine in the Gimp. |
| 18:20.47 | Chikorita | i betta start my packing ... |
| 18:21.28 | Chikorita | my friend sez hi :) |
| 18:21.40 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: you need to get a screenshot for us |
| 18:21.48 | learner | hi friend |
| 18:22.06 | Chikorita | she sez she iz gonna leave mee here LoL |
| 18:22.20 | Chikorita | brb |
| 18:22.40 | learner | your friend needs to play bzflag :) |
| 18:22.55 | Mayhem | is that your goateed-friend? |
| 18:23.04 | Mayhem | oops, she, sorry :) |
| 18:23.50 | learner | hheheheh |
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| 18:24.51 | larsl_56k | Now I can't see the rectangle. =P |
| 18:25.00 | david_v | lol |
| 18:25.08 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: typical ain't it :) |
| 18:25.15 | david_v | hey, i have it |
| 18:25.20 | david_v | seek a doctor. it will help :) |
| 18:25.28 | david_v | nothing personal :) |
| 18:25.58 | learner | maybe a graphics card/texturing bug |
| 18:26.11 | david_v | hehe |
| 18:26.32 | learner | how's the background implemented? |
| 18:26.45 | larsl_56k | It seems to be a textured huge cylinder. |
| 18:26.54 | learner | texture applied to big cylinder or something? |
| 18:26.59 | larsl_56k | Yes. |
| 18:27.02 | learner | ah.. |
| 18:27.10 | larsl_56k | It's easy to see if you roam and get up really high. |
| 18:27.27 | learner | If I had a client that could.. I would... :( |
| 18:27.43 | Mayhem | the mountains look really silly when you zoom up like that |
| 18:28.07 | Mayhem | learner: you can't roam? |
| 18:28.31 | learner | I cannot roam around, no -- client keybindings aren't complete |
| 18:29.00 | learner | all I can do is look around from the center |
| 18:29.05 | larsl_56k | Doesn't xmission allow rogue observers anymore? |
| 18:29.23 | Mayhem | If someone wants to donate me an OS X machine I'll help with the development of the client :) |
| 18:29.28 | learner | heh |
| 18:29.57 | learner | fortix appears to be aligned and ready to fight.. |
| 18:30.15 | Mayhem | ooh, alignment |
| 18:30.37 | Mayhem | chiko, come back so we can fight fortix |
| 18:30.48 | larsl_56k | Got it! |
| 18:30.50 | learner | yell louder |
| 18:30.50 | david_v | chiko, we need you :) |
| 18:31.40 | learner | got what, larsl |
| 18:31.48 | Mayhem | typhoid? |
| 18:31.56 | learner | mumps? |
| 18:32.06 | larsl_56k | The rectangle. |
| 18:32.08 | Mayhem | if I cauld spell syphilis I would have said that |
| 18:32.14 | learner | lol mayhem |
| 18:32.15 | larsl_56k | It's like something out of 2001. |
| 18:32.22 | Mayhem | post it, post it |
| 18:32.28 | learner | where abouts |
| 18:33.05 | learner | found it in the code, or on the field? |
| 18:33.15 | larsl_56k | No, just on the field. |
| 18:33.41 | learner | screenshot? server? |
| 18:33.52 | larsl_56k | Uploading... |
| 18:34.03 | learner | which server? |
| 18:34.12 | larsl_56k | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/bzflag-odyssey.png |
| 18:34.13 | larsl_56k | Soon. |
| 18:34.30 | Mayhem | ~ducati5 |
| 18:34.50 | learner | wow.. |
| 18:35.03 | learner | that's a fight.. |
| 18:36.51 | larsl_56k | The screenshot is up now, getting another one. |
| 18:48.03 | larsl_56k | http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/bzflag-cylinder.png |
| 18:48.23 | larsl_56k | It's part of the mountain cylinder. |
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| 18:55.29 | david_v | hm |
| 18:55.38 | david_v | well surely never seen anything that big :) |
| 18:55.50 | david_v | so it's some curious issue you have. never tried zooming that much on the other hand |
| 18:56.30 | larsl_56k | It's visible even if I don't zoom. |
| 19:01.07 | david_v | oh |
| 19:01.16 | david_v | what kind of card have you got? |
| 19:01.40 | larsl_56k | GeForce2 MX. |
| 19:01.58 | larsl_56k | It's old, I know. =) |
| 19:02.16 | larsl_56k | I don't remember seeing those things earlier though. |
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| 19:07.38 | doughecka | bah |
| 19:11.34 | Mayhem | that was cool |
| 19:12.42 | Mayhem | larsl_56k: I'm using a Voodoo3, and I don't see it, so video card age doesn't apply :) |
| 19:13.39 | larsl_56k | I don't see it all the time either, I had to restart bzflag a couple of times to get those screenshots. |
| 19:13.47 | doughecka | what server? |
| 19:14.48 | larsl_56k | Those are on moongroup, but I've seen it on other servers too. It's a client problem. |
| 19:22.59 | Mayhem | man those are big pngs |
| 19:23.08 | learner | yep, I've certainly never seen that beauty |
| 19:23.32 | learner | hey larsl.. try turning the background on and then off while in the game and take screen shots of both |
| 19:23.52 | larsl_56k | Good idea. |
| 19:24.19 | learner | I'm thinking you run out of texture memory or something card-related |
| 19:24.32 | larsl_56k | Texture memory? |
| 19:24.55 | larsl_56k | Must be a leak somewhere, in that case... we're not really using a lot of huge textures. |
| 19:25.01 | learner | yes, your card (geforce 2mx) has texture memory |
| 19:25.35 | doughecka | mine is a 64 meg GF2mx and I never saw that problem |
| 19:25.48 | learner | depends on how all the stuff gets shoveled over to the opengl pipeline.. I haven't looked at that code yet |
| 19:26.16 | learner | I have 32 and never see it, I'd bank on it being some other issue still |
| 19:26.39 | learner | just ideas |
| 19:27.21 | learner | and get another screen shot where we can see the seam.. there's a triangle in the way .. |
| 19:27.33 | learner | er, pyramid |
| 19:27.39 | Mayhem | I get texture corruption if I run two copies of bzflag at once |
| 19:27.53 | larsl_56k | Seam? |
| 19:28.08 | larsl_56k | No pyramids in http://www.d.kth.se/~d00-llu/bzflag-cylinder.png |
| 19:28.24 | learner | that image wraps around the inside and loops.. it seems together on the image edge |
| 19:28.34 | learner | wanna make sure that break isn't on the image edge |
| 19:29.18 | learner | ah.. better shot, thx |
| 19:32.02 | learner | well, doesn't look like an image seam issue to me .. |
| 19:32.16 | Mayhem | I think its a sight-screen, like they use in cricket :) |
| 19:33.31 | learner | I think it's the gate that links you to the next level |
| 19:33.41 | learner | if you could just reach it.... |
| 19:34.49 | larsl_56k | You mean one of those cross-server teleporters that are mentioned in the TODO? =) |
| 19:34.57 | learner | =) |
| 19:35.20 | doughecka | You cant rollerskate in a buffalo herd... |
| 19:35.21 | larsl_56k | It looks just like the monolith in "2001". |
| 19:36.01 | doughecka | larsl_56k: :O |
| 19:50.35 | captain_proton | learner: about data files, yes |
| 19:50.45 | captain_proton | learner: it now uses mediafile to load pngs :) |
| 19:51.46 | sussudio | captain_proton: can you go through today's logs and then ban *.aol.com? |
| 19:52.37 | captain_proton | sussudio: only thing i look for in the logs are developer discussions :P |
| 19:52.57 | sussudio | captain_proton: exactly. |
| 19:53.42 | captain_proton | huh |
| 19:53.57 | sussudio | it was as far away from that as possible. |
| 19:54.10 | captain_proton | that's nice |
| 19:57.46 | larsl_56k | Can we load Vorbis now? |
| 19:57.54 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: not yet |
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| 19:58.10 | captain_proton | its in the build, but AudioFile isn't hooked up |
| 20:00.03 | larsl_56k | captain_proton: I saw your bug on SF, I couldn't reproduce it because bzflag crashed for me while it was loading the world. |
| 20:00.32 | larsl_56k | It didn't crash when connecting to a non-CTF server though. |
| 20:00.34 | captain_proton | i haven't debugged much on it because i really wanted to sleep :) |
| 20:00.40 | captain_proton | lemme try that |
| 20:01.14 | captain_proton | yep, works |
| 20:01.48 | larsl_56k | I looked at your backtrace, it might be that a std::string is initialized with a NULL pointer somewhere. I remember some problems with that earlier. |
| 20:02.18 | captain_proton | i'm guessing that player[playerIndex].callSign; is uninitialized |
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| 20:18.58 | larsl_56k | I like the channel stats: |
| 20:19.04 | larsl_56k | "CIA has quite a potty mouth. 0.8% words were foul language." |
| 20:19.44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 20:20.16 | larsl_56k | Bad bot! |
| 20:20.16 | learner | lol |
| 20:20.35 | learner | mmm.. enchilada |
| 20:20.52 | captain_proton | erg, player[index].callSign is a char* |
| 20:20.54 | larsl_56k | I have to get out before it gets dark. |
| 20:21.15 | captain_proton | and its completely valid :P |
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| 20:22.11 | learner | what's that cap? I'd hope it's valid |
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| 20:22.36 | captain_proton | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=766623&group_id=3248&atid=103248 |
| 20:22.44 | captain_proton | strangely enough, doesn't happen with non-ctf servers |
| 20:25.18 | captain_proton | hehe |
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| 21:02.55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: they're not that great |
| 21:03.05 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 21:03.23 | Patlabor221 | but I kinda should get a cell phone, and I can get web access for 0.20$ a day |
| 21:03.32 | captain_proton | thats expensive |
| 21:03.42 | Patlabor221 | it's prepay |
| 21:03.58 | captain_proton | $0.20/day is expensive |
| 21:04.38 | captain_proton | especially for a service that isn't all that great |
| 21:05.03 | Patlabor221 | well I see that ATT has it at 0.01$ a kb |
| 21:05.45 | Patlabor221 | I can't realy get a "real" cell phone plan |
| 21:05.52 | sussudio | yes(yes) you(you) should(should) really(rrrreally) get(gettttt) a(a a a a) web(we) phone(one one) |
| 21:06.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah the text entry must be fun |
| 21:07.19 | captain_proton | the palm tungsten W is probably the neatest thingy of that sort i've seen |
| 21:07.40 | Patlabor221 | I saw some pda phone combos |
| 21:07.44 | Patlabor221 | larger then hiptops |
| 21:07.47 | Patlabor221 | but that's too much |
| 21:08.36 | Patlabor221 | still think they could be built into guantlets :) |
| 21:09.02 | sussudio | you can buy those in japan |
| 21:09.15 | Patlabor221 | how big are they? |
| 21:09.24 | sussudio | an oversized wristwatch |
| 21:09.53 | Patlabor221 | ahh see I want larger then that, up to like the forarm, big screen, pda and all that |
| 21:09.55 | Patlabor221 | and a lazer |
| 21:10.30 | sussudio | hmm yes and a walking stick to support it |
| 21:10.53 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: does bzfs/bzflag crash for you with ctf games? |
| 21:11.09 | Patlabor221 | haven't tried |
| 21:11.15 | Patlabor221 | let meg et and build |
| 21:11.41 | Patlabor221 | if it was spread out over the entire arm, it wouldn't be that heavy |
| 21:14.19 | Patlabor221 | what is it to make a CTF game -cb ? |
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| 21:15.01 | scanline | so, pybzflag can render worlds incorrectly now :) |
| 21:15.29 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 21:15.47 | scanline | I could take a screenshot |
| 21:15.53 | scanline | the map looks sort of correct, but not.... |
| 21:15.57 | Patlabor221 | that would help descibe it |
| 21:16.07 | scanline | mmmyep |
| 21:16.14 | scanline | it looks like the boxes have the wrong sizes |
| 21:16.16 | Patlabor221 | you could also look at the map rendering code for BZEdit |
| 21:16.32 | Patlabor221 | it has it broken down per object |
| 21:16.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he's doing it in 2d =) |
| 21:16.43 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 21:16.50 | Patlabor221 | well still it shows how we read the map |
| 21:16.54 | Patlabor221 | and draw the stuff |
| 21:17.04 | Patlabor221 | like all the funk that teleporters do |
| 21:17.08 | captain_proton | true |
| 21:17.10 | scanline | well, this one's 2D... I want to try something more isometric-ish after this |
| 21:17.31 | scanline | I think this is handling teleporter links correctly already, but I'm not rendering them yet so I dunno |
| 21:17.42 | Patlabor221 | well you don't render links |
| 21:17.46 | captain_proton | scanline: which protocol is this? |
| 21:17.49 | scanline | well, I would for debugging |
| 21:17.55 | scanline | captain_proton: 1.9 protocol? |
| 21:17.58 | captain_proton | ok |
| 21:18.00 | Patlabor221 | ahh like I do thin the editor |
| 21:18.15 | scanline | there also seems to be a problem with the dead reckoning |
| 21:18.18 | Patlabor221 | here his how a teleporter is drawn, it dosn't follow the same rules as the other things |
| 21:18.32 | scanline | could be jerky because I don't use UDP yet... |
| 21:18.34 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Tutorials/Tutorial1/TP.gif |
| 21:18.38 | captain_proton | NameError: global name 'Color' is not defined |
| 21:18.55 | scanline | oh? |
| 21:19.31 | scanline | works here |
| 21:19.43 | captain_proton | perhaps you forgot to add something to cvs/ |
| 21:19.44 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:19.45 | scanline | maybe the version of pygame you have doesn't stick that in locals? |
| 21:20.05 | captain_proton | i've got 1.5.5 |
| 21:20.54 | scanline | all my files are in CVS |
| 21:20.58 | scanline | but I think my pygame's newer |
| 21:21.17 | scanline | let me just try making that reference to Color a bit more explicit... |
| 21:22.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag (Network.py): Raise a ConnectionLost exception if one of our file descriptors disappears when it comes select()-time |
| 21:23.32 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): Replace Color with pygame.color.Color to maybe improve compatibility with older versions of pygame |
| 21:23.56 | scanline | so... does that help? |
| 21:23.59 | captain_proton | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'color' |
| 21:24.04 | captain_proton | what version of pygame are you using? |
| 21:24.36 | scanline | 1.5.6 |
| 21:24.58 | scanline | doesn't seem like something so basic should have changed recently though... |
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| 21:28.27 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.28 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:28.28 | captain_proton | BZFlag.Errors.GameException: Unable to enter the game: badType |
| 21:28.31 | captain_proton | but the color works now |
| 21:28.52 | scanline | you can change the tank type and such it tries to use, try --help |
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| 21:30.00 | captain_proton | ah |
| 21:30.06 | captain_proton | ok, i think i know whats wrong |
| 21:30.27 | scanline | ah? |
| 21:31.15 | captain_proton | the 'size' for everything is actually the length from the origin of that object |
| 21:31.20 | sussi | hi |
| 21:31.31 | scanline | captain_proton: I think I'm getting that part right |
| 21:31.31 | captain_proton | so a box of size 5x5x5 will have a width & breadth of 10, and a height of 5 |
| 21:32.08 | scanline | captain_proton: take a look at BZFlag.UI.OverheadView.OverheadView.objectToPoly() |
| 21:32.31 | scanline | the object it gets is pretty much straight out of the binary world, and it does the job of converting it to a polygon |
| 21:33.01 | scanline | also, it looks like the rotation is counterclockwise, in radians.. is that right? |
| 21:33.32 | captain_proton | get rid of all the /2s |
| 21:33.42 | captain_proton | sounds right |
| 21:33.46 | scanline | ohhh |
| 21:33.59 | scanline | yaknow, that makes sense now that I think about it at a non-4AM time |
| 21:34.34 | captain_proton | amazing :) |
| 21:34.36 | scanline | ok.. so the objects are bigger now, they still don't jive with the motion of my player |
| 21:35.13 | scanline | the player and world are in the same coordinate system, right? |
| 21:35.17 | captain_proton | yep |
| 21:35.54 | scanline | have you tried connecting to the same server with bzflag and watching the player dots on the overhead view? |
| 21:39.23 | scanline | the map running on brlcad.org looks somewhat strange in pybzflag |
| 21:39.40 | captain_proton | scanline: i'm trying that now |
| 21:39.42 | learner | man.. :( |
| 21:40.55 | Mayhem | I wish i could predict my bzability at a particular time, instead of varying so much over one day. |
| 21:41.18 | learner | I think mine is simply a function of time.. |
| 21:41.42 | Mayhem | I think mine is a bell-curve |
| 21:42.08 | scanline | hm. it almost look slike it's getting the x, y, and z size mixed up |
| 21:45.07 | scanline | learner: where can I get the bzw file your server runs? |
| 21:45.30 | Patlabor221 | my rabbit map? |
| 21:45.33 | captain_proton | scanline: looks like the world is rotated 180 degrees from the player? |
| 21:45.35 | learner | well.. either from me or from patlabor |
| 21:45.52 | learner | I think it's on shellshock, yes pat? |
| 21:45.54 | Patlabor221 | it's on bzbb |
| 21:45.56 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:45.59 | Patlabor221 | never put it there |
| 21:46.05 | learner | ah, bzbb - knew you put it somewhere |
| 21:46.10 | learner | hehe, why? |
| 21:46.19 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/download.php?id=18 |
| 21:46.23 | Patlabor221 | version 2 |
| 21:46.33 | Patlabor221 | dono, just never put it anywhere else |
| 21:46.37 | scanline | Patlabor221: thanks |
| 21:46.39 | Patlabor221 | don't know if it's realy done |
| 21:46.42 | scanline | uhoh |
| 21:46.44 | scanline | Sorry but you are not authorized to view or download this Attachment |
| 21:46.51 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=800 |
| 21:47.00 | Patlabor221 | then just hit the link |
| 21:47.06 | Patlabor221 | it wants you loged in |
| 21:47.08 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): fix boxes somewhat |
| 21:47.28 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp |
| 21:47.32 | learner | it's in there now |
| 21:47.48 | Patlabor221 | are you running V1 or V2? |
| 21:48.41 | learner | what's v1/v2? |
| 21:48.50 | Patlabor221 | map your running |
| 21:48.54 | Patlabor221 | I updated it |
| 21:48.56 | learner | ah.. the two revisions you made? |
| 21:48.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:49.05 | learner | it's the last one you gave me, which is an update |
| 21:49.11 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 21:49.14 | Patlabor221 | how's it working out? |
| 21:49.39 | learner | haven't had a good match on it yet -- but in a little sparring with jb, it was pretty good |
| 21:49.51 | learner | all of the little blocks really changed gameplay a bit |
| 21:50.03 | learner | there's all kind of rico angles to take advantage of |
| 21:50.04 | Patlabor221 | for the better? |
| 21:50.10 | Patlabor221 | ahh cool, that's what I wanted |
| 21:50.14 | learner | hard to say yet - it was fun, though |
| 21:50.42 | learner | there's still a problem with all of the flags ending up in the middle of the map with none near the spawn corners |
| 21:50.46 | Patlabor221 | scanline: here is a picture of the map top view to compare your drawing to. |
| 21:50.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/images/runrabbitrun2.jpg |
| 21:50.55 | scanline | ah, a little bigger |
| 21:50.58 | scanline | thanks |
| 21:50.59 | learner | perhaps making the spawn areas under the H's? |
| 21:51.21 | scanline | Patlabor221: I assume that's with X+ right and Y+ up? |
| 21:51.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:51.34 | learner | X? |
| 21:51.45 | Patlabor221 | learner be nice if we had spawn regons |
| 21:51.46 | learner | ah, nvr mind, read "Y" wrong |
| 21:52.19 | learner | pat, what do you mean? you don't specify those? |
| 21:52.26 | Patlabor221 | ohh god no |
| 21:52.34 | Patlabor221 | there's nothing in the map that specifys that |
| 21:52.43 | Patlabor221 | BZ does the alog |
| 21:52.45 | Patlabor221 | algo |
| 21:52.48 | learner | how come one always spawns in the corner then? |
| 21:52.55 | learner | at least for that map |
| 21:53.03 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 21:53.12 | captain_proton | probably because the battles are occurring in the center? |
| 21:53.15 | Patlabor221 | the algo BZ uses trys to put you away from battles |
| 21:53.20 | learner | no, even when you're solo |
| 21:53.22 | Patlabor221 | so you don't snuff it |
| 21:53.30 | Patlabor221 | take a look at the code |
| 21:53.44 | learner | :) |
| 21:53.46 | Patlabor221 | if I could spec spawns, that would be wayyyyy cool |
| 21:53.54 | captain_proton | argh |
| 21:54.11 | captain_proton | server should tell the client where to spawn :) |
| 21:54.20 | Mayhem | ooh, moles are back on top |
| 21:54.29 | learner | yep happened the other day mayhem |
| 21:54.35 | learner | and they didn't even play a match :) |
| 21:54.52 | learner | oooo.. they DID play a match.... |
| 21:54.54 | Mayhem | well, they just beat TLZ too |
| 21:54.55 | learner | cool |
| 21:55.14 | scanline | Patlabor221: http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/tmp/pybzflag_rabbitrun.png |
| 21:55.34 | learner | pat, like the teleporter diagram.. you do that? |
| 21:55.42 | Mayhem | coolness |
| 21:55.56 | *** join/#bzflag ll_ (~larsl@md4692490.utfors.se) |
| 21:56.12 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 21:56.15 | learner | f'n awesome |
| 21:56.23 | learner | python client has a gui now.. : ) |
| 21:56.33 | scanline | well, it isn't correct |
| 21:56.35 | Mayhem | scanline is on FIRE |
| 21:56.45 | learner | da hot tamale |
| 21:56.51 | scanline | and graphically it needs a lot of work.. this is all bare-minimum to make sure it can understand the worlds |
| 21:56.52 | scanline | hehe |
| 21:57.33 | scanline | mmmm |
| 21:57.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah I made the TP diagram when I was making BZEdit |
| 21:57.51 | learner | pretty cool, pat |
| 21:57.59 | Mayhem | scanline: found any more faults in the Protocol wiki? |
| 21:58.07 | scanline | Mayhem: not yet |
| 21:58.16 | Patlabor221 | scanlne what happend to it |
| 21:58.18 | Mayhem | I think I fixed the ones you mentioned |
| 21:58.45 | scanline | Patlabor221: I'm not sure... it looks like it might be rotating the boxes wrong, but I'm not sure |
| 21:59.06 | Patlabor221 | you rotating them around the map origin, or there orgin? |
| 21:59.33 | Patlabor221 | order I do it is, move to pos, rotate, draw with X Y and Z scale |
| 21:59.35 | scanline | their origin |
| 21:59.38 | scanline | hmmmm. |
| 21:59.42 | captain_proton | Mayhem: i found one, but i fixed it :) |
| 21:59.44 | scanline | hey, I'm not, am I |
| 21:59.54 | Mayhem | captain_proton: yay, thats what Wiki is for :) |
| 22:00.04 | scanline | Patlabor221: thanks, I think that's indeed the problem |
| 22:00.09 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): Flip the overhead view so that y+ is up, make the player circles look a little less bad |
| 22:00.14 | Mayhem | captain_proton: what was it? I know the documentation better than the code at the moment... |
| 22:00.19 | Patlabor221 | the total width of a box is also 2x the scale in that axis |
| 22:00.26 | captain_proton | Mayhem: you had 'flag flight time' as a 3-byte value |
| 22:00.50 | Mayhem | argh, stupid reformatting of ascii boxes drives me nuts |
| 22:01.02 | captain_proton | indeed |
| 22:02.09 | captain_proton | it does |
| 22:02.28 | captain_proton | http://www.bzflag.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/WorkInProgress_2fNetworkProtocol?action=info |
| 22:02.30 | scanline | Patlabor221: hmm.. now most of the map looks right, but the long thin boxes seem to be rotated 180 degrees |
| 22:02.55 | captain_proton | although it only diffs between the current revision and an older one |
| 22:02.57 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/tmp/pybzflag_rabbitrun.png |
| 22:03.03 | captain_proton | can't diff between arbitrary revisions |
| 22:03.05 | Patlabor221 | maybe your Y and X scales are reversed? |
| 22:03.09 | Mayhem | well I'll be buggered. It seems I've been busy :) |
| 22:03.29 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 22:03.33 | Patlabor221 | hmm no that' can't be it |
| 22:03.43 | Patlabor221 | your rots must go the wrong way |
| 22:03.53 | learner | what happens if you have bases defined on a non-ctf-mode server? |
| 22:04.00 | Patlabor221 | I think I recall reversing them for GL |
| 22:04.02 | Patlabor221 | they are removed |
| 22:04.05 | Patlabor221 | and not sent |
| 22:04.09 | scanline | hmm |
| 22:04.14 | captain_proton | Mayhem: perhaps the appendices should be moved to other pages? |
| 22:04.42 | scanline | Patlabor221: ah, yeah... looks like the binary protocol has them going clockwise not counterclockwise |
| 22:05.11 | Mayhem | captain_proton: I was considering removing them and just referring to the .h files |
| 22:05.46 | Patlabor221 | well that is the direction of a positive rotation in normal cartesian space |
| 22:05.52 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): Fixed some transformation problems in objectToPoly(), the OverheadView seems to render worlds correctly now |
| 22:06.00 | Patlabor221 | 0 at X to +90 at Y |
| 22:06.17 | scanline | but that's counterclockwise...? |
| 22:07.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh they go clock |
| 22:07.06 | Patlabor221 | how messed up |
| 22:07.09 | Patlabor221 | dumbasses |
| 22:07.23 | Patlabor221 | maybe they work at apple |
| 22:07.26 | learner | ah.. scanline.. it IS in cvs.. :) |
| 22:07.36 | Patlabor221 | "think difrent, dosn't mater what it is, but make sure its difrent" |
| 22:07.43 | scanline | learner: yep |
| 22:07.45 | learner | why'd nobody say anything! :) |
| 22:07.50 | scanline | learner: CIA did :) |
| 22:08.17 | scanline | so far, the little observer demo will show you an overhead view of the world and little circles for each player |
| 22:08.25 | scanline | seems to act a bit choppy though |
| 22:08.33 | scanline | need to implement UDP |
| 22:09.26 | captain_proton | erg |
| 22:09.31 | learner | pat, could you put a couple rogue bases on the bunny map? |
| 22:09.33 | captain_proton | viz needs to release hng on dvd :P |
| 22:09.44 | captain_proton | ...rogue bases? |
| 22:09.47 | learner | or can someone point out a reference |
| 22:09.58 | Patlabor221 | there is no rouge base |
| 22:10.03 | learner | hmmm |
| 22:10.16 | learner | do you define bases per team? |
| 22:10.17 | Patlabor221 | there are only 4 base types |
| 22:10.19 | larsl_56k | Isn't that the same as the "safe base"? |
| 22:10.22 | Patlabor221 | yed |
| 22:10.41 | Patlabor221 | rouges are just random spawn in CTF |
| 22:10.53 | Patlabor221 | that is why they are rouges |
| 22:10.59 | Patlabor221 | all rougey and stuff |
| 22:11.01 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: if you're thinking of "safety zones", no :) |
| 22:11.10 | learner | so I should never *ever* entire this "restartOnBase" section in playing.cxx :) |
| 22:11.18 | learner | s/entire/enter/ |
| 22:11.19 | scanline | Is there any real point to the Wall objects? |
| 22:11.35 | Patlabor221 | not realy, they could be infered from the map data |
| 22:11.56 | Patlabor221 | the world size used to not be sent, so that was the only way to get the world size |
| 22:12.13 | scanline | ah |
| 22:12.18 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:12.47 | strayer | night all... |
| 22:12.50 | *** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p50913EC0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:13.09 | larsl_56k | Patlabor221: Were you planning to add non-rectangular worlds? |
| 22:13.45 | Patlabor221 | right now they are only square |
| 22:13.58 | Patlabor221 | but I am looking into other world types that would allow more variety |
| 22:14.20 | Patlabor221 | I think we need to look past the "bounded plane with a bunch of stuff in it" type of world |
| 22:14.22 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 22:14.26 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (WorldInfo.h): random whitespace cleanup |
| 22:15.09 | larsl_56k | A wrap-around rectangle would be cool. |
| 22:15.15 | larsl_56k | Like a flattened torus. =) |
| 22:15.30 | scanline | you could do that with python :) |
| 22:15.33 | larsl_56k | Probably hard to render though. |
| 22:16.01 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): New color scheme for OverheadView, only render players that are alive |
| 22:16.16 | Patlabor221 | anything could be done |
| 22:16.39 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-11-208.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 22:16.45 | Patlabor221 | your world view would be infinate tho |
| 22:16.48 | larsl_56k | Yes. |
| 22:16.59 | Patlabor221 | and that would get "wierd" |
| 22:17.13 | Patlabor221 | but you could do that with portals |
| 22:17.16 | larsl_56k | But since the renderer already ignores things that are too far away, it could just keep doing that. |
| 22:17.31 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/ (5 files in 5 dirs): Adding .cvsignore files |
| 22:17.33 | Patlabor221 | yes you could simple clip |
| 22:17.47 | Patlabor221 | tho the current renderer is not eficent about it all all |
| 22:17.51 | larsl_56k | Or add some fog. =) |
| 22:17.54 | Patlabor221 | it tests every ojbect |
| 22:17.58 | Patlabor221 | fog is for pussys |
| 22:18.00 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:18.04 | scanline | no octree? |
| 22:18.10 | Patlabor221 | pffft no |
| 22:18.15 | Patlabor221 | brute force |
| 22:18.17 | scanline | er, client |
| 22:18.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah it needs it |
| 22:18.48 | Patlabor221 | it's not like it's flodin the geo or fill pipelines now :) |
| 22:18.57 | Patlabor221 | we bottle nick on the vis calc |
| 22:19.12 | Patlabor221 | that's why all the maps with a lot of boxes, take a crap |
| 22:19.43 | larsl_56k | The first version of glasstowers had ~800 boxes. That was pretty slow. |
| 22:20.18 | learner | that's pretty sad |
| 22:20.20 | Patlabor221 | a better vis algo would speed everyone up |
| 22:20.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah it scales for shit |
| 22:20.40 | learner | is there any space paritioning going on ? |
| 22:20.44 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:20.46 | Patlabor221 | none |
| 22:20.53 | learner | yhgtbfkm! |
| 22:20.55 | Patlabor221 | each box is sphere tested against the frustum |
| 22:20.59 | Patlabor221 | it's sad |
| 22:21.06 | Patlabor221 | it's OLD |
| 22:21.17 | Patlabor221 | that's why I'm looking at difrent world types |
| 22:21.22 | Patlabor221 | ones that lead to better vis |
| 22:21.26 | Patlabor221 | like portals |
| 22:21.43 | Patlabor221 | portals could do your looping world |
| 22:21.45 | learner | it should/could be completely independant and still be much better.. |
| 22:21.48 | Patlabor221 | and 5d space tricks |
| 22:22.08 | Patlabor221 | yes world database needs to be totaly seperate from rendering |
| 22:22.25 | Patlabor221 | just give it a frustum and get back a list of "stuff to draw" |
| 22:22.32 | learner | mayhem, compare the date against the brlcad.org server |
| 22:22.48 | learner | they should match be real close |
| 22:23.19 | Patlabor221 | 2.5d psudoportals would probably work well for the current gameplay type |
| 22:24.01 | learner | portal/map jumping seems like a bit of a hack to me, though probably the easiest to implement right now |
| 22:24.29 | learner | I'd like to see super-sized maps that just load what is relevant on the fly |
| 22:24.43 | larsl_56k | BZVerse. |
| 22:24.51 | captain_proton | we could make it use jetcow >:) |
| 22:24.58 | learner | jetcow? |
| 22:25.00 | scanline | =) |
| 22:25.14 | Patlabor221 | evertank |
| 22:25.25 | Patlabor221 | ohh map jumping via a teleporter has all kinds of problems |
| 22:25.27 | scanline | learner: that's the idea |
| 22:25.29 | captain_proton | learner: the copy-on-write persistent database format that scanline devised for jetstream |
| 22:25.31 | Patlabor221 | what if the server is full |
| 22:25.46 | Mayhem | learner: what timezone are the dates on your server in? |
| 22:25.56 | learner | EDT |
| 22:25.59 | learner | -4 UTC |
| 22:26.00 | bryjen | Patlabor221: reverse teleport? |
| 22:26.03 | captain_proton | http://navi.picogui.org/svn/misc/trunk/jetstream/extra_media/jetcow-original.png |
| 22:26.20 | captain_proton | and who can forget... |
| 22:26.22 | captain_proton | http://navi.picogui.org/svn/misc/trunk/jetstream/extra_media/jetcow2.png |
| 22:26.27 | Patlabor221 | what bout shots that go thru? |
| 22:26.30 | larsl_56k | Patlabor221: You could be suspended in a pause bubble until you make sure that there is a free slot on the destination server. |
| 22:26.41 | bryjen | shots can be dropped |
| 22:26.51 | Patlabor221 | I would rather see a lobby then a poral system like that |
| 22:26.53 | bryjen | reversing them would be nasty |
| 22:27.04 | Patlabor221 | all sorts of stuff with it would be nasty |
| 22:27.44 | learner | a lobby could simply be a special map with different gameplay rules (like no shooting) |
| 22:28.07 | larsl_56k | And with map jumping teleporters. =) |
| 22:28.15 | Mayhem | aha, I'm not imagining things then |
| 22:28.36 | learner | maybe if everyone pokes him.. it'll get his attention |
| 22:29.08 | Patlabor221 | who hosts the loby? |
| 22:29.09 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/common (Flag.cxx): just couldn't resist... |
| 22:29.16 | Patlabor221 | what if it's down? |
| 22:29.18 | Patlabor221 | or full? |
| 22:29.37 | Patlabor221 | in game BZ doses not make a good chat room |
| 22:29.38 | larsl_56k | If you can't connect to it you get your own local lobby. |
| 22:29.47 | learner | I was actually thinking of a single server that has multiple maps |
| 22:29.49 | Patlabor221 | I would make a dedicated chat lobby |
| 22:29.50 | larsl_56k | Or something. |
| 22:29.59 | Patlabor221 | you want rooms |
| 22:30.05 | Patlabor221 | that is what is planed for screamers |
| 22:30.16 | Patlabor221 | tho the list server allso works as a chat server for lobby stuff |
| 22:30.26 | larsl_56k | We could simply hook it up to IRC. |
| 22:30.37 | learner | that would be coool |
| 22:30.39 | larsl_56k | #bzflag-lobby |
| 22:30.52 | scanline | I could hook up IRC really easily with this python code... |
| 22:31.15 | learner | making the bzflag chat irc chat brings up a whole world of interaction possibilities (good and bad) |
| 22:31.17 | captain_proton | yar! |
| 22:31.22 | captain_proton | we've got our first new flag! |
| 22:31.41 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure if you pythoned it, you could make the chat server also be an IRC server |
| 22:32.01 | learner | I could join a channel and observe the gameplay with any irc client |
| 22:32.12 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@172-109.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 22:32.51 | Michaelh | Is hudUI et al going to be in the new version of the menus? |
| 22:33.10 | learner | oops |
| 22:33.19 | learner | gues he just loves.. :) |
| 22:33.36 | captain_proton | ... new version of the menus? |
| 22:35.14 | Michaelh | are they going to completely revamp the menus? |
| 22:35.38 | captain_proton | i wasn't aware that anybody had decided to take that on |
| 22:38.42 | captain_proton | where did you get that bit of information? :) |
| 22:39.35 | Michaelh | someone said something about implementing the 1.8 version of the menus |
| 22:39.44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:41.00 | scanline | whee |
| 22:41.12 | captain_proton | bryjen: i'm looking at it :P |
| 22:42.36 | learner | told you to poke 'em ;) |
| 22:42.54 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/UI (OverheadView.py): Show player headings and heights on the overhead view |
| 22:43.04 | bryjen | every time i see poke, i think of Commodore 64 programming |
| 22:43.08 | scanline | anyone feel like joining brlcad.org so I have a few people to take a screenshot of? :) |
| 22:43.12 | learner | hmmm.... cannot see chat with the latest server |
| 22:43.35 | learner | see if you can chat scanline.. not working for me |
| 22:43.48 | learner | and the logs aren't showing chat messages either |
| 22:43.54 | scanline | learner: I haven't been able to chat for a while now |
| 22:44.53 | scanline | hmm, oh well |
| 22:45.02 | learner | eh? |
| 22:45.15 | learner | back up now.. wasn't recording the log on the web server |
| 22:45.22 | scanline | "Sir Lagsalot von Mpls" joined brlcad and I got a screenshot of one person :) |
| 22:45.50 | learner | who's Sir Lags? Is that you cap? |
| 22:46.02 | scanline | Added player 0 (0-0)[0] : Sir Lagsalot von Mpls (Michael Hoffman@Michael Hoffman) |
| 22:46.10 | learner | ah. ok |
| 22:46.18 | Michaelh | I woonder who that is |
| 22:46.34 | learner | should read my own logs.. |
| 22:46.38 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/tmp/pybzflag_rabbitrun.png |
| 22:46.40 | bryjen | Wherever you are, that's where you're @ |
| 22:46.42 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12CVSROOT/ (4 files): try to fix sfsnap |
| 22:47.02 | learner | w00t .. color |
| 22:47.39 | scanline | I should implement flag negotiation so when captain_proton adds more flags and I'm not paying attention to CVS I'll notice |
| 22:48.42 | captain_proton | >:) |
| 22:50.00 | captain_proton | fix0red |
| 22:50.10 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): trivial change to test snaps |
| 22:51.47 | scanline | "If there is a mismatch between client and server flags, MsgNull is sent by the server" |
| 22:51.50 | scanline | ? |
| 22:51.58 | scanline | that's awfully silly.. |
| 22:52.16 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 22:52.21 | captain_proton | i got mad when i saw that |
| 22:52.36 | learner | don't get mad, get Glad[tm] |
| 22:52.57 | learner | for the bodybag :) |
| 22:54.12 | scanline | why does the client need to get flag ids and abbreviations from the server? |
| 22:54.31 | captain_proton | scanline: so we can change flags without introducing undefined behavior into older clients |
| 22:55.21 | scanline | so the ids actually used in the rest of the protocol are the ones in that message, not the enum values? |
| 22:56.37 | captain_proton | should be =) |
| 22:56.47 | captain_proton | i hope |
| 22:57.05 | scanline | okey |
| 22:58.19 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/bzfs (bzfs.cxx): more whitespace cleanup while i try to wrap my head around this segfault |
| 23:06.21 | CIA | 03davidtrowbridge * 12bzflag/src/zlib (22 files): yawn |
| 23:13.39 | *** join/#bzflag Michaelh (Mouse@172-109.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 23:14.00 | Michaelh | there's a quirky bug -- |
| 23:14.34 | Michaelh | when dialogs are on the stack -- calling setDefaultKey() / setFocus() goofs up the menu system |
| 23:20.35 | Michaelh | what is python bz? :) |
| 23:21.11 | Michaelh | I keep getting python bz spam |
| 23:21.18 | Michaelh | ..... so now I want to know what it is ........ |
| 23:21.33 | Michaelh | Is it just command line? |
| 23:21.38 | Michaelh | or more? |
| 23:21.42 | scanline | it's just a set of modules for speaking the bzflag protocol |
| 23:21.56 | Michaelh | so command line stuff can be done in python? |
| 23:22.00 | scanline | but there are a lot of ways to use it... implement a client, implement a server, admin utils, chat gateway, web stuff... |
| 23:22.12 | scanline | and graphical stuff |
| 23:22.13 | Michaelh | do you have to do it all manually? |
| 23:22.14 | Michaelh | ?? |
| 23:22.29 | Michaelh | so every time they change some protocol.. you have to change it again? |
| 23:22.40 | scanline | well, yeah |
| 23:22.42 | learner | of course |
| 23:22.57 | Michaelh | can't magically speak with c++ ... ? :) |
| 23:22.59 | scanline | there's no way to automatically grab protocol info from the C++ source |
| 23:23.11 | Michaelh | or machine code...... |
| 23:23.13 | Michaelh | :) |
| 23:23.16 | learner | actually it .. could.. but bzlibraries are not that clean |
| 23:23.18 | scanline | I could theoretically make it a wrapper around the existing C++ code, but that defeats the purpose |
| 23:23.26 | scanline | I wanted something with a nice clean design, and 100% python |
| 23:23.49 | Michaelh | sort of like the "100% java" thang, huh? |
| 23:23.59 | learner | he's going to do that next |
| 23:24.04 | captain_proton | #0 0x08055bb5 in WorldBuilder::setBase(TeamColor, float const*, float, float, float, float const*) (this=0xbfffd880, team=59619, pos=0xbfffd7f0, rotation=-1.22722772e+17, w=-1.22722772e+17, |
| 23:24.07 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:24.09 | captain_proton | that doesn't seem right |
| 23:24.27 | sussudio | in soviet russia, java touches YOU |
| 23:24.32 | Michaelh | oahhhhh |
| 23:25.03 | Michaelh | You've got them junky variables.. woohoo |
| 23:25.11 | captain_proton | Michaelh: the current bzflag architecture makes doing things like wrapping the protocol preventative |
| 23:25.32 | scanline | Michaelh: http://navi.picogui.org/~micah/tmp/pybzflag_rabbitrun.png |
| 23:25.49 | scanline | Michaelh: that's a very simple observer client written with this python package |
| 23:26.12 | Michaelh | preventative? |
| 23:26.19 | Michaelh | ^^^^^^^^^^^^? |
| 23:26.31 | captain_proton | meaning "too much of a pain in the ass" |
| 23:26.42 | Michaelh | So you don't think we have a standard interface to bzflag? |
| 23:26.44 | Michaelh | what? |
| 23:26.51 | Michaelh | how shocking |
| 23:26.53 | captain_proton | have you -seen- the way the protocol is right now? |
| 23:27.00 | Michaelh | heh |
| 23:27.02 | captain_proton | there are pack statements all over the place |
| 23:27.15 | Michaelh | We should just make it a COM object :) |
| 23:27.30 | captain_proton | ok you do that, and i'll watch tim reject it ;-) |
| 23:27.32 | scanline | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/bzflag/pybzflag/observer.py?content-type=text/plain |
| 23:27.58 | Michaelh | Then we can all communicate with it using bizarre long numbers and strings.. woohoo |
| 23:27.59 | scanline | hmm wait.. that code appears to be old |
| 23:28.14 | captain_proton | scanline: viewcvs works off the anoncvs server :P |
| 23:28.24 | scanline | Michaelh: you should look at the way this python package wraps the protocol, it's beautiful :) |
| 23:28.26 | scanline | captain_proton: doh |
| 23:28.43 | Michaelh | god.. save me from yet another language |
| 23:28.55 | Michaelh | I'm learning C#.......... asp.net |
| 23:29.08 | scanline | python is probably a bit more worth learning than C# |
| 23:29.26 | scanline | python can really open your eyes about how easy a good object model can be to work with |
| 23:29.38 | learner | shame on you Michael.. :) |
| 23:29.46 | Michaelh | it's horrible isn't it |
| 23:29.49 | learner | yes |
| 23:29.56 | Michaelh | But maybe I can work for the evil empire one day |
| 23:30.03 | bryjen | heh @ .net http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20030706 |
| 23:30.14 | bryjen | hehe even |
| 23:30.23 | Michaelh | and people who actually can pay to run microsquash servers can usually pay their employees too |
| 23:30.32 | Michaelh | :) |
| 23:30.55 | Michaelh | or maybe not.. I dunno..... |
| 23:31.07 | learner | whatever.. :) |
| 23:32.05 | Michaelh | but wouldn't you think richer clients might just run stuff that costs a whole lot of money to buy? |
| 23:32.07 | captain_proton | learner: hrmph... |
| 23:32.18 | learner | :P |
| 23:32.20 | captain_proton | learner: WorldInfo stuff isn't sending bases to the client |
| 23:32.22 | Michaelh | I sure wouldn't |
| 23:32.41 | bryjen | Michaelh: unless they got rich be being intelligent with their money ;) |
| 23:32.43 | Michaelh | never would want to shell out that amount of money just to add some dynamic web pages |
| 23:32.53 | bryjen | s/ be / by |
| 23:32.57 | learner | hmm cap? |
| 23:33.05 | learner | related to the class separation??? |
| 23:33.07 | Michaelh | ah well.. I wish people would just stop creating new lanuages.. it's annoying..... |
| 23:33.13 | captain_proton | learner: looks like it |
| 23:33.22 | learner | omg, that shouldn't be possible |
| 23:33.39 | scanline | ~lart Michaelh |
| 23:34.04 | Michaelh | why does VC++ say that my .exe has no debuggin info.. the exe that is 2.25 MB ? |
| 23:34.49 | Michaelh | YOUR CLIENT IS NOT CAPABLE OF CARYING FLAGS FOUND IN THIS WORLD................................................... |
| 23:34.58 | Michaelh | stop it |
| 23:35.34 | captain_proton | learner: packDatabase |
| 23:36.12 | learner | that's where the patch was.. |
| 23:36.13 | scanline | er. captain_proton and learner |
| 23:36.30 | learner | database size, cap? |
| 23:36.32 | bryjen | scanline: are is correct. captain_proton & prot-work |
| 23:36.35 | bryjen | ;) |
| 23:37.04 | scanline | bryjen: just be glad I didn't bring scanlime with me |
| 23:37.07 | learner | size should now be a little smaller due to the protocol fix |
| 23:37.46 | learner | cap, the teleporter size was modified |
| 23:38.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.24 | learner | instead of (2 + 2 * 4) * 2 * numTeleporters; |
| 23:38.42 | scanline | did my patch break something? |
| 23:38.48 | learner | i think so |
| 23:39.08 | scanline | that's really strange |
| 23:39.12 | scanline | the new size is correct |
| 23:39.27 | learner | but the indexing that occurs later might be wrong |
| 23:39.39 | learner | look at the //add teleporters section |
| 23:40.25 | captain_proton | WorldCodeTeleporter expects 8*float + 2*ubyte |
| 23:40.41 | scanline | that line is for teleporter links, not teleporters |
| 23:40.41 | learner | bingo |
| 23:40.43 | captain_proton | hm, so teleporters match up |
| 23:41.01 | learner | er |
| 23:41.07 | Michaelh | should people be able to do inTheGame keys while in a menu? |
| 23:41.28 | learner | WorldCodeLink expect the same? |
| 23:41.39 | Michaelh | like be able to send a message while also setting their screen resolution etc.... |
| 23:41.41 | scanline | WorldCodeLink is two 16-bit side IDs |
| 23:41.55 | captain_proton | WorldCodeLink wants 2*ushort, looks good |
| 23:42.04 | scanline | so that's the 2*2, +2 for the header, *2 for 2 sides per teleporter |
| 23:42.36 | scanline | the *4 it had before was leaving uninitialized memory before the WorldCodeEnd |
| 23:42.57 | scanline | bzflag seems to ignore that, but pybzflag thew an exception |
| 23:43.07 | captain_proton | however, packDatabase is still neglecting to pack the team bases |
| 23:43.25 | learner | only one header per teleporter or per side? |
| 23:43.49 | scanline | one complete WorldCodeLink block per side |
| 23:44.06 | learner | perhaps is should've been (2 + 2 * 4) * numTeleporters |
| 23:44.22 | scanline | no |
| 23:44.34 | captain_proton | the packing code looks correct |
| 23:44.41 | captain_proton | save for the fact that it doesn't pack the bases :) |
| 23:44.49 | learner | details |
| 23:44.53 | *** join/#bzflag sussi (sussi@217-68-182-166.cable.primacom.net) |
| 23:44.55 | captain_proton | which i think is why we're getting all these ctf crashes |
| 23:48.30 | CIA | 03micahjd * 12pybzflag/BZFlag/Flag (3 files): Directory /cvsroot/bzflag/pybzflag/BZFlag/Flag added to the repository |
| 23:48.56 | captain_proton | hmm, they get packed elsewhere |
| 23:49.03 | captain_proton | thats...intuitive |
| 23:49.37 | scanline | that world packing code gives me the shivers |
| 23:51.57 | learner | can somebody exaplain what is going on in packDatabase().. Why are the box and pyramids the same size (7*4), yet different packing? |
| 23:52.04 | TimRiker | is pybzflag for cvs or 1.7 ? |
| 23:52.39 | Michaelh | the fist is speaking ........ :) |
| 23:52.52 | scanline | TimRiker: cvs |
| 23:53.59 | captain_proton | Michaelh: i am the fist, not TimRiker ;-) |
| 23:54.13 | learner | :-) was wondering abou tthat |
| 23:54.16 | captain_proton | learner: cruft in action |
| 23:54.18 | TimRiker | Michaelh: just little ol' me asking. ;-) |
| 23:54.28 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 23:54.57 | scanline | learner: pyramid should be bigger than box by a byte |
| 23:55.05 | scanline | learner: flipZ flag |
| 23:55.29 | captain_proton | ahahahaha |
| 23:55.35 | captain_proton | rabbit hunt screwed it up |
| 23:55.40 | captain_proton | its trying to pack a rabbit base |
| 23:55.47 | scanline | hehe |
| 23:55.52 | learner | heheh |
| 23:55.56 | TimRiker | should use neg height for flipz imho |
| 23:59.38 | CIA | 03timriker * 12bzflag/ (TODO): tim speaks |
| 23:59.55 | captain_proton | hee |
