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| 00:02.46 | BZSpiff | Well.... I'm off. |
| 00:02.49 | BZSpiff | C-ya later all. :-) |
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| 00:05.11 | captain_proton | hey neat |
| 00:05.16 | captain_proton | it read everything into bzdb correctly =) |
| 00:05.45 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~QuolSimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:07.15 | sussudio | just when you think you think people can't be any more stupid, legolas opens his mouth. |
| 00:11.37 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: begin integration of bzdb |
| 00:14.57 | captain_proton | aha, jbd is 5th down, middle column |
| 00:18.11 | captain_proton | hmm, no windows kids to update the dsps |
| 00:18.46 | learnerAtWork | dynamic space partitions? |
| 00:18.56 | scanline | digital signal potato? |
| 00:19.43 | learnerAtWork | dynamic sweet potatos? |
| 00:20.06 | scanline | ooh, did CU have another round of paying people? |
| 00:20.25 | scanline | hooray |
| 00:20.27 | scanline | money |
| 00:21.32 | TimRiker | http://rikers.org/tmp/dwollner.gif |
| 00:22.01 | captain_proton | cute |
| 00:22.01 | learnerAtWork | hehehehehehe.. |
| 00:22.03 | learnerAtWork | original? |
| 00:22.32 | TimRiker | ftp://ftp.uu.net/published/usenix/faces/ucsd.edu/dwollner.Z |
| 00:22.54 | learnerAtWork | yeppers, the original |
| 00:23.21 | TimRiker | that's not the one on ther other image though. it's a later picture from what I can tell. |
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| 00:24.03 | Quol | hello all |
| 00:24.59 | learnerAtWork | perhaps later, but couldn't be by much |
| 00:28.03 | learnerAtWork | whadayaknow..found a bunch of other faces I know |
| 00:35.38 | learnerAtWork | tim, what's the encoding on those images? uuencoded? hex? |
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| 00:53.08 | doughecka | where is the bzseen code? |
| 00:53.16 | doughecka | its perl right? |
| 00:54.49 | learnerAtWork | tim has it in his back pocket |
| 00:54.55 | doughecka | oh |
| 00:55.00 | doughecka | its perl? |
| 00:56.09 | learnerAtWork | dunno |
| 00:56.25 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~QuolSimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:56.34 | learnerAtWork | [dmp] would know.. |
| 00:56.39 | captain_proton | doughecka: since its a blootbot module, i'll give you 3 guesses as to the lanugage its written in |
| 00:56.42 | captain_proton | and the first two don't count |
| 00:56.53 | doughecka | its a blootbot modual allready? |
| 00:57.14 | learnerAtWork | ok engrish, spanglish, or gaelic |
| 00:57.43 | captain_proton | doughecka: have you been paying any attention to this? |
| 00:58.03 | doughecka | I havnt been here all day |
| 00:58.06 | doughecka | so no |
| 00:58.54 | captain_proton | doughecka: but you were here when people were discussing it :P |
| 00:59.08 | captain_proton | because you were asking the same questions, which had been answered already by the discussion |
| 00:59.23 | doughecka | huh, must have missed it |
| 00:59.29 | captain_proton | must have... |
| 00:59.29 | *** part/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 01:04.56 | sussudio | been sniffin' the glue again, doug? |
| 01:10.03 | scanline | bryjen: eh, why would I need opengl for a protocol library? |
| 01:10.06 | scanline | not that it's hard to do from python |
| 01:10.28 | scanline | nah, the cool things a protocol lib would be good for probably don't involve opengl: |
| 01:10.31 | scanline | 1. bots |
| 01:10.37 | scanline | 2. alternative bzfs implementations |
| 01:10.49 | scanline | 2. IRC to BZflag chat gateways |
| 01:10.54 | scanline | er |
| 01:10.56 | scanline | s/2/3 |
| 01:10.57 | scanline | :) |
| 01:11.12 | sussudio | 3. profit |
| 01:11.17 | bryjen | of course I was jesting at a client re-write ;) |
| 01:11.30 | learnerAtWork | it was called 1.8 |
| 01:11.34 | learnerAtWork | so I'm told |
| 01:11.41 | captain_proton | learnerAtWork: 1.8 wasn't a rewrite |
| 01:11.46 | bryjen | but it was still C++ |
| 01:11.52 | learnerAtWork | well.. close enough :) |
| 01:11.53 | captain_proton | but what happened was a lot of stuff was ripped out and not replaced |
| 01:12.05 | captain_proton | and nobody else wanted to reimplement the broken features :P |
| 01:12.10 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 01:12.13 | bryjen | lobotomy |
| 01:12.16 | learnerAtWork | who did that? |
| 01:12.30 | captain_proton | did what? :) |
| 01:12.45 | learnerAtWork | the work on 1.8? chris? |
| 01:13.03 | learnerAtWork | never seen him in here.. he rebelling? |
| 01:13.31 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 01:13.37 | captain_proton | right now he's busy at The Job |
| 01:14.44 | captain_proton | during most of the 1.8 fiasco he was unemployed, so he hung out here |
| 01:14.57 | learnerAtWork | ah, poor fella |
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| 01:15.29 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 01:15.43 | learnerAtWork | shame most of the effort will be lost, even if chestal's trying |
| 01:15.54 | learnerAtWork | mornin' pat :) |
| 01:16.01 | captain_proton | eh |
| 01:16.06 | captain_proton | i'm working on pulling some of the stuff |
| 01:16.32 | captain_proton | it did teach us that we're restricted in what we can do, because of the motivation of some people >:P |
| 01:16.50 | Patlabor221 | morning? |
| 01:16.54 | learnerAtWork | motivation/time I imagine.. |
| 01:16.59 | Patlabor221 | it's 6:16 PM :) |
| 01:17.07 | learnerAtWork | yep.. mornin' |
| 01:17.13 | bryjen | I thought captain_proton was merging stuff from 1.8 and Chestal was fixing 1.9 as cap broke it ;) |
| 01:17.24 | learnerAtWork | heheh |
| 01:17.53 | captain_proton | =} |
| 01:17.57 | learnerAtWork | that faces repository is pretty neat |
| 01:18.09 | learnerAtWork | found a lot of old pics of people I know |
| 01:18.23 | learnerAtWork | guys are gonna love seeing them next week |
| 01:19.04 | learnerAtWork | I even found a face of a guy that cost me two weeks worth of non-stop debugging! grr |
| 01:19.48 | captain_proton | heh |
| 01:19.53 | learnerAtWork | who would make an array of polynomial coefficients where 0 is the n'th, 1 is the n |
| 01:20.04 | learnerAtWork | 1 is the n-1, 2 is the n-2, etc |
| 01:20.16 | learnerAtWork | why not 0 is 0th, 1 it 1st, etc.!! |
| 01:20.19 | learnerAtWork | punk |
| 01:20.58 | Patlabor221 | it's gonna be sad when we can't just build bzflag right outa cvs |
| 01:21.44 | learnerAtWork | why/when will that happen? |
| 01:21.45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: huh? |
| 01:21.51 | Patlabor221 | vorbis |
| 01:22.05 | Patlabor221 | code not in cvs that is needed |
| 01:22.29 | Patlabor221 | I'll have to work in an environ varaible, cus unline you guys we don't have a standard place for headers and libs |
| 01:22.39 | learnerAtWork | nobody's going to pull in code? |
| 01:23.08 | Patlabor221 | the vorbis code won't be in cvs, just the calls to the libs |
| 01:23.12 | Patlabor221 | that's how it was done last time |
| 01:23.16 | Patlabor221 | per the man |
| 01:23.41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well - this time its a little bit easier |
| 01:23.51 | Patlabor221 | how so? |
| 01:24.07 | captain_proton | last time the vorbis stuff had to be manually built, because the latest release had a bug that was fixed in CVS |
| 01:24.14 | captain_proton | now you can just install libvorbis from the binary |
| 01:24.19 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:24.23 | Patlabor221 | that is nicer |
| 01:24.32 | bryjen | vorbis made it to 1.0 |
| 01:24.41 | Patlabor221 | but still I'll have to get the dsp to point to it. |
| 01:24.49 | Patlabor221 | unless it goes in the VC default dirs |
| 01:25.01 | captain_proton | you'd have to see where it installs |
| 01:25.11 | Patlabor221 | I am looking now |
| 01:25.32 | learnerAtWork | ah.. found an itunes plugin |
| 01:25.36 | learnerAtWork | that'll do |
| 01:25.52 | captain_proton | http://www.vorbis.com/download_mac.psp |
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| 01:28.02 | Patlabor221 | disn't install |
| 01:28.11 | Patlabor221 | least not on windows |
| 01:28.15 | Patlabor221 | just prebuild libs |
| 01:28.17 | Patlabor221 | so that's nice |
| 01:28.45 | Patlabor221 | what are the redist liscenses for the dlls? |
| 01:28.58 | Patlabor221 | BZFlag is gonna get it's first DLL, awwww :) |
| 01:29.08 | Patlabor221 | or could go static |
| 01:29.31 | Michaelh | d:\bzstuff\bz_19_clean\src\bzflag\playing.cxx(4163) : error C2955: 'list' : use of class template requires template argument list |
| 01:29.32 | Michaelh | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:29.32 | Michaelh | Generating Code... |
| 01:29.45 | Michaelh | ? |
| 01:29.56 | Patlabor221 | cvs? |
| 01:30.01 | Michaelh | yeppers |
| 01:30.10 | Michaelh | perhaps I should try it clean |
| 01:30.16 | Patlabor221 | let me try |
| 01:30.20 | Patlabor221 | ssh cvs or anon? |
| 01:30.24 | Michaelh | ssh |
| 01:30.24 | captain_proton | what version of vc++? |
| 01:30.30 | Michaelh | 6errrrrr |
| 01:30.45 | Patlabor221 | let me see what cap broke, one sec |
| 01:30.48 | Michaelh | I haven't downloaded the latest huge patch thingee though |
| 01:31.13 | Michaelh | I also have .snot I could try that one :) |
| 01:31.25 | Patlabor221 | sure you didn't |
| 01:31.46 | captain_proton | my changes were closer to 490 than 4100 |
| 01:32.18 | Patlabor221 | ohh yah busted |
| 01:32.23 | Patlabor221 | let me check hist |
| 01:32.32 | Patlabor221 | cus it built at like 2:30 for me |
| 01:33.18 | Michaelh | could be the non-standard stl thingee |
| 01:33.33 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't look like normal STL |
| 01:33.41 | Patlabor221 | it's missing what it's a list of |
| 01:33.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh, no |
| 01:34.01 | Patlabor221 | you can't have a paramater called list |
| 01:34.06 | Patlabor221 | it's a keyword |
| 01:34.08 | Michaelh | lol |
| 01:34.14 | captain_proton | keyword MY ASS |
| 01:34.20 | Patlabor221 | it's a template |
| 01:34.27 | Patlabor221 | and I don't know anhything about your ass :) |
| 01:35.36 | captain_proton | so what you're saying is that VC++ just has busted namespace enforcement ;-) |
| 01:35.48 | Patlabor221 | probably\ |
| 01:35.53 | Patlabor221 | I'm fixing |
| 01:36.18 | Patlabor221 | still bad form old man, makes it harder to read. |
| 01:36.27 | captain_proton | howso? |
| 01:36.34 | captain_proton | its a list |
| 01:36.40 | captain_proton | seems a very appropriate variable name |
| 01:36.49 | Patlabor221 | what is it a list of? |
| 01:36.53 | Michaelh | woohoo fixed |
| 01:37.08 | Michaelh | name it list2 -- |
| 01:37.09 | Michaelh | :) |
| 01:37.15 | Patlabor221 | naw, daList |
| 01:37.28 | Michaelh | or like I always do it mrList |
| 01:37.32 | Michaelh | mrQueue |
| 01:37.40 | Michaelh | mrQ for short |
| 01:38.03 | Michaelh | mrHash etc.. |
| 01:38.05 | Patlabor221 | actualy I'm gonna callit rgnList |
| 01:38.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: redist? its gpl... |
| 01:38.09 | Patlabor221 | just to be all nice |
| 01:38.14 | Michaelh | aw |
| 01:38.15 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 01:38.27 | captain_proton | you're not wanting to put them in our repository, are you? :P |
| 01:38.46 | Patlabor221 | no no, if I use the dlls for the installer |
| 01:38.55 | Michaelh | oops |
| 01:38.56 | Michaelh | bzflag.obj : error LNK2001: unresolved external symbol "public: bool __thiscall ConfigFileManager::read(class std::basic_string<char,struct std::char_traits<char>,class std::allocator<char> >)" (?read@ConfigFileManager@@QAE_NV?$basic_string@DU?$char |
| 01:38.56 | Michaelh | _traits@D@std@@V?$allocator@D@2@@std@@@Z) |
| 01:39.09 | captain_proton | ah |
| 01:39.10 | Michaelh | lol |
| 01:39.18 | captain_proton | that would be because nobody put ConfigFileManager into the windows build :) |
| 01:39.25 | Michaelh | I understood that.. didnt you? |
| 01:39.25 | captain_proton | SLACKERS |
| 01:39.41 | Patlabor221 | cap, you know about that "comunication" thing |
| 01:39.42 | Patlabor221 | what file? |
| 01:40.00 | captain_proton | include/ConfigFileManager.h src/common/ConfigFileManager.cxx |
| 01:40.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: well...i assume since you do get commit messages that you'd notice 'file added' ;) |
| 01:40.30 | Patlabor221 | I get digetst I told you. |
| 01:40.44 | captain_proton | silly |
| 01:40.57 | Patlabor221 | I get a lot of mail at work |
| 01:41.19 | Patlabor221 | and you shouldhave known it was busted and put it into the bugs list :) |
| 01:42.10 | Patlabor221 | now what I need to do is set up a windows snap thing like you have, and have it mail me when there is a problem :) |
| 01:42.14 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool |
| 01:42.50 | Michaelh | # Microsoft Developer Studio Generated Build File, Format Version 6.00 |
| 01:42.50 | Michaelh | # ** DO NOT EDIT ** |
| 01:43.06 | Patlabor221 | I edit those all the time |
| 01:43.32 | Patlabor221 | hmmmmm your configfilemanager dosn't link, any other files? |
| 01:43.40 | *** part/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.132.217) |
| 01:43.55 | captain_proton | what symbols is it missing? |
| 01:43.59 | Michaelh | so which file does the overall linking |
| 01:44.12 | Patlabor221 | didn't add filemanager.cxx ether |
| 01:44.13 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 01:44.27 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 01:44.46 | Patlabor221 | that links the bzflag.exe? |
| 01:44.51 | Michaelh | yeppers |
| 01:44.59 | Patlabor221 | the bzflag dsp |
| 01:45.16 | Patlabor221 | it inclueds the libs made from the other projects |
| 01:45.55 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: fixes for windows buildageness. |
| 01:45.57 | Patlabor221 | each dsp tells the linker what to make |
| 01:46.33 | Patlabor221 | the dsw just has pointers to various dsps and there dependencys |
| 01:46.48 | Patlabor221 | there ya go that sould be fine now |
| 01:46.54 | Michaelh | throwing the two files into the common.dsp didn't fix it .... |
| 01:47.08 | Patlabor221 | what files did you throw in? |
| 01:47.21 | Michaelh | the ones previously mentioned |
| 01:47.29 | scanline | hmmdeedoo... |
| 01:47.30 | Patlabor221 | you get filemanager.cxx? |
| 01:47.30 | scanline | import BZFlag.ListServer |
| 01:47.30 | scanline | for server in BZFlag.ListServer.getDefault().list(): |
| 01:47.30 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:47.44 | Michaelh | perhaps it needs to do it clean... |
| 01:47.46 | Michaelh | yes that's what I mean |
| 01:47.51 | captain_proton | scanline: gimme! :) |
| 01:48.11 | Patlabor221 | if you update it will be fine |
| 01:48.15 | scanline | captain_proton: lemme stick in in the misc svn on navi |
| 01:48.16 | Patlabor221 | I commited the fixes |
| 01:48.32 | Michaelh | so.. scan .. we start doing in C# then ? :) |
| 01:48.37 | captain_proton | scanline: eh, i might as well put it in the misc directory in bzflag cvs |
| 01:48.51 | Michaelh | uses System.BZFlag |
| 01:48.52 | Michaelh | ...... |
| 01:49.02 | scanline | captain_proton: well, you could, but then I wouldn't be able to finish it unless you gave me access to it, and you wouldn't want to do that right? |
| 01:49.05 | captain_proton | Michaelh: thats python, not C# |
| 01:49.05 | scanline | =) |
| 01:49.15 | captain_proton | scanline: heh, true |
| 01:49.17 | Michaelh | ohhh ahhh |
| 01:49.26 | captain_proton | you're probably pretty trustworthy, but i'd have to ask tim |
| 01:49.37 | scanline | captain_proton: I'll just stick it on navi for now, it can go in bzflag CVS once it's a bit more working.. all it does right now is list server |
| 01:50.39 | scanline | hmm, maybe I should hook up the navi-misc repository to CIA :) |
| 01:51.22 | captain_proton | scanline: you're not putting it into trunk? :) |
| 01:51.32 | scanline | whoops |
| 01:51.46 | captain_proton | and you added the byte-compiled files? ;) |
| 01:51.51 | scanline | I just removed those |
| 01:52.04 | scanline | I overestimated 'svn import's intelligence :) |
| 01:52.10 | captain_proton | ooh its all pydoced and everything |
| 01:52.51 | scanline | okey, should be in trunk now |
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| 02:26.26 | scanline | hmm... |
| 02:26.27 | scanline | >>> s.add("brlcad.org:5155", 0, "BZFS109a", "02ee000c000200000000000000000000000c0000000000000000000100500064000a0000", "Squeegie Hunt") |
| 02:27.27 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:28.02 | scanline | cute little list server :) |
| 02:28.20 | captain_proton | i like how you're giving it the whole bitfield as a string |
| 02:28.35 | scanline | well, I need to make a class to represent that |
| 02:29.11 | scanline | hmmmmm |
| 02:29.15 | scanline | that's a ping packet reply? |
| 02:29.28 | captain_proton | hrm? |
| 02:29.42 | scanline | bzfs uses this to make the gameInfo field: |
| 02:29.44 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.44 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.17 | captain_proton | what line is that? |
| 02:30.33 | scanline | 2761 |
| 02:30.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 02:30.44 | scanline | hehe: |
| 02:30.45 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.46 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:30.58 | captain_proton | i think it may have originally been intended to act as a ping reply |
| 02:31.09 | captain_proton | err |
| 02:31.27 | captain_proton | actually, i think the list server does periodic pings to make sure the server is still active |
| 02:31.36 | captain_proton | and it probably sends that data string as the reply |
| 02:31.44 | captain_proton | been a LONG time since i looked at the list server |
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| 02:31.49 | scanline | I think it does that too, but I think this is something different |
| 02:32.08 | scanline | I think it's just happening to use a struct pingReply to send game info to the list server |
| 02:32.13 | captain_proton | scanline: well what i'm saying is that bzfs just uses the same pingReply structure to pack the data |
| 02:32.22 | scanline | ah |
| 02:33.11 | captain_proton | haha |
| 02:33.22 | scanline | can the server update the map during the game? |
| 02:33.26 | captain_proton | no |
| 02:33.29 | captain_proton | not yet anyway |
| 02:33.32 | captain_proton | patches welcome ;-) |
| 02:33.35 | scanline | :) |
| 02:33.40 | scanline | how about creating shots that hover? |
| 02:34.57 | captain_proton | iirc Patlabor221 had a cheat client that did that |
| 02:35.07 | bryjen | mines? |
| 02:35.08 | captain_proton | poop a stationary bullet out the back of the tank |
| 02:35.21 | Patlabor221 | well not stationary |
| 02:35.23 | scanline | I remember that.. I can't think of any reason why the server couldn't do that on its own, but I at this point know pretty little about the protocol :) |
| 02:35.24 | Patlabor221 | REALY slow |
| 02:35.29 | bryjen | nice verb cap |
| 02:35.46 | captain_proton | with a "phoot" sound |
| 02:35.50 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:35.52 | Patlabor221 | they phoonted |
| 02:36.01 | bryjen | there's a visual. a tank with..... cheeks |
| 02:36.08 | captain_proton | scanline: well - shots have to be associated with a player |
| 02:36.12 | Patlabor221 | tho it seemed it ignored the shot life |
| 02:36.20 | Patlabor221 | and they didn't stay around very long |
| 02:36.28 | captain_proton | the server provides a playerid for the server, but i think you'd run into issues when the client tried to figure out what team to make the bullet =) |
| 02:36.39 | captain_proton | err |
| 02:36.43 | captain_proton | client has a playerid for the server |
| 02:36.44 | Patlabor221 | to make the client know |
| 02:37.07 | scanline | well, you could just have a GameMaster player :) |
| 02:37.35 | scanline | if only the server could send new textures, then you could make a dungeon... |
| 02:37.51 | Patlabor221 | in Treadmarks we just allways had a player called "the world" |
| 02:37.58 | Patlabor221 | it didn't show in score lists |
| 02:38.09 | Patlabor221 | but when the map had nukes in it, it was who got the kills |
| 02:38.26 | captain_proton | scanline: well - you'd just have to make a special class for the game master, and return it from the lookup, iirc |
| 02:38.50 | captain_proton | (associate it with the server playerid) |
| 02:42.19 | Patlabor221 | what are you gonna do? make a new game type? |
| 02:42.40 | scanline | right now I just think it'd be cool to have a python package implementing the protocol |
| 02:42.49 | scanline | where we go from there.. who knows |
| 02:43.08 | captain_proton | scanline: i think it'll be most useful in the bot context |
| 02:43.27 | scanline | ooh, useful? |
| 02:43.33 | captain_proton | scanline: once you're done with that, if you want to reimplement the really sucky bot code in that, i'd be thrilled to rip out the bots from the source =} |
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| 02:44.03 | captain_proton | there's an unholy meld between the client & the bots right now |
| 02:44.17 | learner | that's soon to be broken |
| 02:44.22 | scanline | I was a little creeped out about that when I first heard of it :) |
| 02:44.31 | captain_proton | learner: well - scanline is helping =) |
| 02:44.48 | learner | scanline, are you the one doing the thesis? |
| 02:44.51 | scanline | learner: BTW, your server is "Squeegie Hunt" now |
| 02:45.01 | learner | heh, why's that? |
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| 02:45.16 | scanline | ok, ok, now it's Duckie Hunt |
| 02:45.44 | learner | ah.. :) |
| 02:45.46 | captain_proton | learner: he's just playing with the beginnings of his neat new python module |
| 02:46.01 | learner | can it be seen in action/ |
| 02:46.02 | learner | ? |
| 02:46.12 | captain_proton | http://navi.picogui.org/svn/misc/trunk/pybzflag/ |
| 02:46.39 | scanline | so far all it can do is mess with the list server |
| 02:47.05 | learner | ah. hehe |
| 02:47.07 | scanline | there, now navi.picogui.org, which is really a pretty old bzflag, shows up in the list server as v1.9, entitled "Duckie Hunt" |
| 02:47.52 | scanline | captain_proton: any way to turn off mouse grabbing without recompiling? |
| 02:50.44 | learner | interesting indeed.. |
| 02:51.08 | scanline | bah, this is nothin |
| 02:51.19 | scanline | the bzfs protocol isn't even binary, except for this funny little gameinfo field |
| 02:51.39 | scanline | what's going to be really fun is when you can write a bzfs completely in python and insert code into it from inside the game :) |
| 02:52.17 | learner | that's sounds a bit nuts, but if it floats your boat -- more power to you |
| 02:52.23 | learner | :) |
| 02:52.25 | scanline | hmm.. with distcc and three athlons I can compile bzflag in 2m4.913s |
| 02:53.05 | learner | dunno if it was just a side effect, but when you changed the title, there were bogus values for all of the map characteristics (65k max players, etc) |
| 02:53.14 | scanline | I did that on purpose :) |
| 02:53.18 | learner | ah :) |
| 02:53.35 | captain_proton | scanline: you mean bzfls protocol? |
| 02:53.46 | scanline | er, yeah |
| 02:54.13 | scanline | bah, more fireworks outside my window |
| 02:55.42 | Patlabor221 | arn't they a day early? |
| 02:56.27 | scanline | captain_proton: does anything use the 'build' field in the bzfls ADD command? |
| 02:57.45 | captain_proton | scanline: dunno =) |
| 02:58.12 | scanline | bzfs appears to send VERSION % 1000, which seems to be zero |
| 03:00.13 | captain_proton | look at what g2 sends |
| 03:00.16 | captain_proton | could end up sending 2 ;) |
| 03:00.41 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 03:00.51 | captain_proton | anybody know what basic_string::find returns if it can't find? |
| 03:02.27 | captain_proton | my little test is giving me 4294967295, which seems awfully random |
| 03:03.08 | scanline | >>> hex(4294967295) |
| 03:03.09 | scanline | '0xFFFFFFFFL' |
| 03:03.11 | scanline | so, -1? |
| 03:03.23 | captain_proton | hmm, maybe :) |
| 03:05.09 | captain_proton | aha |
| 03:05.12 | captain_proton | std::string::npos :) |
| 03:10.03 | scanline | would be good to have an easy way to identify what's client->server and what's server->client |
| 03:10.12 | scanline | how abouts Request and Response vs just Msg? |
| 03:10.32 | scanline | hmm.. and for server->client messages that don't follow a request, Notify? |
| 03:10.41 | captain_proton | look at the bottom of Protocol.h |
| 03:11.10 | scanline | right |
| 03:11.16 | scanline | but I think a naming convention would help that |
| 03:11.28 | scanline | or.. I could just put server->client and client->server in different python modules :) |
| 03:11.36 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:11.39 | captain_proton | might as well ;) |
| 03:11.42 | scanline | so you'd get things like Packet.FromServer.MsgSuperKill |
| 03:11.58 | captain_proton | and maybe put a higher level abstraction on it that would provide certain handshake sequences |
| 03:12.23 | Patlabor221 | http://www.lanceandeskimo.com/cgi-bin/anime2.cgi |
| 03:12.37 | Patlabor221 | I think we should use that for BZFlag release names |
| 03:13.02 | Patlabor221 | Atomic Cat Girl Chipehe |
| 03:13.03 | captain_proton | hehehehehehe |
| 03:13.05 | captain_proton | Mecha Spy Dorichi |
| 03:13.07 | scanline | "Shiny Android Gekini" |
| 03:13.18 | Patlabor221 | Bikini Spirit Shiyabako |
| 03:13.25 | scanline | Zen Gangster Ryamida |
| 03:13.31 | scanline | this needs to become a blootbot module! |
| 03:13.40 | scanline | it will rival the mighty... |
| 03:13.40 | Patlabor221 | Sensual Priestess Chugera |
| 03:13.43 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 03:13.47 | scanline | ~sci-fi du jour |
| 03:13.47 | | It's some kind of charged electron emission amplifier in the construct, ensign travis |
| 03:14.03 | Patlabor221 | heh, Naked Kitty Erama |
| 03:14.14 | captain_proton | Kung Fu Orphan Charetsu |
| 03:14.20 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 03:14.26 | Patlabor221 | Pretty Starship Hebonu |
| 03:14.56 | Patlabor221 | All-Purpose Mutant Fraulein Chumemo |
| 03:14.56 | scanline | Shiny Naughty Gangster Nureda |
| 03:15.10 | scanline | yikes |
| 03:15.12 | scanline | did it just die? |
| 03:15.19 | captain_proton | looks like it |
| 03:15.20 | captain_proton | :( |
| 03:15.21 | Patlabor221 | I think we killed it |
| 03:15.25 | scanline | ooh, there it is |
| 03:15.27 | captain_proton | oop, back up |
| 03:15.38 | Patlabor221 | The Legend of Magical Kitty Napema |
| 03:15.58 | scanline | Silent Monkey Boy Gakyado |
| 03:16.17 | Patlabor221 | see now THIS is what the internet is USED for |
| 03:16.59 | scanline | Kitty Android Hezumu |
| 03:17.26 | scanline | Electric Ninja Kenine |
| 03:17.36 | scanline | hooray for electric ninjas! |
| 03:17.39 | Patlabor221 | Electric Ninja that's good |
| 03:17.59 | Patlabor221 | Record of Wrathful Biker Zezope |
| 03:18.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh my |
| 03:18.15 | Patlabor221 | Manly Priestess Tenuryo |
| 03:18.16 | scanline | Bunny Ninja Zosonoa |
| 03:18.32 | Patlabor221 | I think bunny ninjas out rank eletric ones |
| 03:19.20 | hot_dog | ~dict shittah |
| 03:19.40 | captain_proton | learner: still amused by that? :) |
| 03:19.50 | learner | hehe, yes captain |
| 03:20.03 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 03:20.13 | Patlabor221 | Candy Student Rechigoe |
| 03:20.24 | Patlabor221 | Naked Schoolgirl Zonze 1/2 |
| 03:20.41 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:20.52 | captain_proton | my family's plane arrives in 10 minutes |
| 03:21.02 | Patlabor221 | shoudl you not go get them? |
| 03:21.13 | captain_proton | they left a car at the airport |
| 03:21.27 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, very forward thinking of them |
| 03:21.36 | captain_proton | quite |
| 03:21.54 | Patlabor221 | All-Purpose Lovely Lover Fushinia |
| 03:23.32 | scanline | ooh.. this would be a great use for metaclasses |
| 03:23.32 | Patlabor221 | I just love the musica de cowboy bebop |
| 03:23.50 | captain_proton | scanline: link me to a document on metaclasses |
| 03:24.17 | scanline | this is the one njs pointed me to when I asked about them: |
| 03:24.19 | scanline | http://www.python.org/2.2/descrintro.html |
| 03:25.03 | scanline | I'm pondering a metaclass that, given a list describing a structure's entries, will create a python class wrapping that structure |
| 03:28.40 | bzgirl | Quol_: you there? |
| 03:28.56 | captain_proton | scanline: thats both really cool and really terrifying |
| 03:30.55 | Patlabor221 | Underwear Orphan Pudani |
| 03:31.04 | Patlabor221 | Lovely Martial Arts Witch Yochone |
| 03:37.25 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: more progress towards BZDB |
| 03:44.32 | captain_proton | heh |
| 03:50.10 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@balt-209-163-100-71.qis-dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 03:50.28 | *** join/#bzflag heinola (~heinola@63.98.3.81) |
| 03:50.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what is this config file 2? |
| 03:50.49 | MrApathyCream | no idea |
| 03:52.45 | captain_proton | oh wait its !win32 |
| 03:53.41 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 03:54.24 | captain_proton | ooh they return the same thing |
| 04:15.20 | *** join/#bzflag kyleTron (~chatzilla@ppp-67-115-60-181.dialup.scrm01.pacbell.net) |
| 04:28.16 | MrApathyCream | dag, i think mediafile/png work |
| 04:29.08 | captain_proton | really? |
| 04:30.21 | MrApathyCream | seems har to believe, but yes i think so |
| 04:30.52 | MrApathyCream | i have no boxwall.rgb in directory, and i see boxes |
| 04:31.13 | scanline | hooray, recent file formats, with compression! |
| 04:32.05 | scanline | class PingPacket(Struct): |
| 04:32.06 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.06 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.06 | scanline | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.12 | scanline | =) |
| 04:34.19 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: sure its not picking up a global data dir? |
| 04:34.40 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: and...did you hook up the RGB reader to mediafile? |
| 04:36.49 | MrApathyCream | rgb reader yes |
| 04:36.54 | MrApathyCream | global data? |
| 04:39.23 | MrApathyCream | hmm, wonder what i do with this steaming pile of bits |
| 04:43.22 | MrApathyCream | yes it's reading rgb for for the files that don't exist in png yet |
| 04:44.39 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:44.51 | captain_proton | at least you missed my horrible horrible pun earlier |
| 04:46.29 | MrApathyCream | that being? |
| 04:47.03 | captain_proton | you really want to know? |
| 04:47.14 | MrApathyCream | i'm a sucker for bad humor |
| 04:47.19 | captain_proton | "add ogg, because its the wav of the future" |
| 04:47.20 | *** join/#bzflag creeperz (~creeperz@host-11-76-220-24.midco.net) |
| 04:47.30 | MrApathyCream | ah, saw that |
| 04:47.49 | MrApathyCream | it was too sub-tile for me the first time i read it |
| 04:48.02 | captain_proton | its cleverly disguised as a typo |
| 04:50.01 | MrApathyCream | oh well, it's the 4th of July, i can excuse the checkin on the alcohol |
| 04:51.47 | captain_proton | =} |
| 04:52.29 | captain_proton | wooo |
| 04:52.32 | captain_proton | bzdb is workin' =) |
| 04:55.49 | scanline | (gdb) print sizeof(ServerId) |
| 04:55.49 | scanline | $5 = 8 |
| 04:55.52 | scanline | (gdb) print sizeof(PingPacket) |
| 04:55.52 | scanline | $7 = 1 |
| 04:55.54 | scanline | ? |
| 04:56.51 | scanline | according to my python code so far, a PingPacket should be 48 bytes, but the length of the data bzfls returns is 36 bytes after dehexification |
| 04:56.59 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Bring over MediaFile for png from 1.8 |
| 05:00.01 | scanline | oh, bah... |
| 05:00.45 | scanline | it doesn't send an entire PingPacket, just all the 16-bit fields, indivicually extracted in src/net/Ping.cxx |
| 05:04.30 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Bring over zlib for PNG from 1.8 |
| 05:06.18 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Bring over MediaFile for PNG from 1.8 |
| 05:08.50 | learner | look for either aiko or utada hikaru |
| 05:10.38 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Win32 projects to support PNG |
| 05:11.19 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Add PNG projects to Win32 dsw |
| 05:11.25 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/bzfls |
| 05:11.30 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 05:11.32 | captain_proton | go MrApathyCream! |
| 05:11.44 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 05:13.09 | scanline | they should be in there.. that's the entire list server, no filtering |
| 05:13.53 | MrApathyCream | ah, yes, ok... didn't wait for it to load |
| 05:14.04 | scanline | yep, there some are.. it's just hard to browse through such a debuggatively-formatted list |
| 05:14.24 | captain_proton | scanline: you should make that cgi script do the neat mouseover things that plone does |
| 05:14.36 | scanline | hehe |
| 05:14.47 | scanline | right now it's just a shell script that sets content type to text/plain and runs list.py |
| 05:15.22 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:15.43 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@adsl-63-204-118-6.dsl.sndg02.pacbell.net) |
| 05:15.45 | scanline | though if I used navi_cgi it would only be a few lines of code :) |
| 05:17.54 | captain_proton | scanline: well - i mean you could list the name of the server |
| 05:18.03 | captain_proton | then when that was moused over, it would display all the info in a neatly-formatted box |
| 05:19.42 | captain_proton | navi_cgi doesn't do that, does it? |
| 05:19.42 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Use Multithreaded libs in Win32 projects to support PNG |
| 05:19.47 | scanline | well, not yet |
| 05:19.51 | scanline | but if I did it, I'd stick it in there |
| 05:20.05 | scanline | I just don't want to mess with Javascript and DHTML right now :) |
| 05:20.26 | captain_proton | shouldn't be any of that |
| 05:20.31 | captain_proton | can do it in pure CSS ;) |
| 05:20.37 | scanline | really... |
| 05:21.19 | captain_proton | http://www.meyerweb.com/eric/css/edge/popups/demo.html |
| 05:22.50 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: Unleash mediafile on the world |
| 05:24.44 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: are you not linking with any of the AudioFile stuff? |
| 05:26.36 | MrApathyCream | not yet |
| 05:27.01 | MrApathyCream | i only wanted to foobar half of it |
| 05:30.58 | learner | build error in BzfMedia.cxx now.. |
| 05:31.25 | learner | ~nslookup 66.7.100.25 |
| 05:32.25 | learner | Who's Rman23? |
| 05:32.26 | MrApathyCream | learner what's the error |
| 05:32.53 | learner | ugh.. the only part my log captured was: |
| 05:33.02 | learner | BzfMedia.cxx: In member function `virtual unsigned char* |
| 05:33.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.03 | learner | BzfMedia.cxx:176: warning: unused parameter `int&dz' |
| 05:33.03 | learner | texture.cxx: In function `unsigned char* getTextureImage(const std::string&, |
| 05:33.03 | learner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:33.03 | learner | texture.cxx:28: warning: unused parameter `int&depth' |
| 05:33.04 | learner | make[2]: *** [bzflag] Error 1 |
| 05:33.06 | learner | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 05:33.08 | learner | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 05:33.18 | learner | stdout is going to /dev/null... :( |
| 05:34.06 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:34.08 | MrApathyCream | hold on |
| 05:35.19 | MrApathyCream | s/b just warnings..lessee |
| 05:36.05 | learner | yes, the error was apparently sent to /dev/null.. ugh |
| 05:36.36 | learner | lemme catch in manually |
| 05:36.54 | learner | ah.. symbol erorr |
| 05:36.55 | learner | ld: Undefined symbols: |
| 05:36.55 | learner | MediaFile::readImage(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&, int*, int*) |
| 05:37.03 | MrApathyCream | hmm, did something happen in PingPacket? |
| 05:37.31 | captain_proton | learner: i'm workin' on it :) |
| 05:37.38 | learner | This was the last update that did it: P src/bzflag/texture.cxx |
| 05:37.38 | learner | P src/platform/BzfMedia.cxx |
| 05:37.43 | learner | ah, ok cap |
| 05:37.52 | captain_proton | learner: there are other more important problems |
| 05:37.58 | captain_proton | like the fact that zlib/mediafile aren't built yet |
| 05:38.04 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 05:38.36 | learner | hence the link error |
| 05:38.50 | MrApathyCream | heeh |
| 05:38.56 | MrApathyCream | nix build, ok |
| 05:39.21 | scanline | captain_proton: is http://www.bzflag.org/developers/protocol.php the most complete protocol spec? |
| 05:39.58 | captain_proton | scanline: no, the wiki should be most complete |
| 05:40.12 | captain_proton | though there are bigish differences |
| 05:40.18 | learner | I think I asked this a month ago, but I'll ask again -- is there a coding style _written_ anywhere that we are supposed to follow |
| 05:40.19 | scanline | hmmkay |
| 05:40.22 | captain_proton | protocol.php should fairly accurately describe 1.7 |
| 05:40.24 | captain_proton | wiki is 1.9 |
| 05:40.28 | captain_proton | learner: DEVINFO |
| 05:40.31 | scanline | mainly I ask because Protocol.h is only constants, not structures |
| 05:40.45 | scanline | ah yes.. I was on this wiki page earlier |
| 05:41.34 | MrApathyCream | scanline, perhaps but there are errors from newly changed stuff |
| 05:42.21 | MrApathyCream | MsgAddPlayer, MsgScore being two |
| 05:42.50 | scanline | mmkay.. so I should just use the wiki to get an idea how the messages flow, but still get the actual definitions from the source? |
| 05:42.52 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: for ogg, it may make sense to just pull in the sound manager from 1.8 |
| 05:43.08 | MrApathyCream | MsgKilled is a third |
| 05:43.24 | MrApathyCream | prolly |
| 05:45.15 | learner | any windows builders in here? |
| 05:45.29 | learner | I need a compilation test |
| 05:48.45 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:49.12 | learner | you responding to me, apathy? |
| 05:49.59 | MrApathyCream | yes, sorry distracted |
| 05:50.23 | learner | ok.. excellent |
| 05:51.02 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/BadWordsFilter.cxx |
| 05:51.08 | learner | and BadWordsFilter.h |
| 05:51.18 | learner | and badwords.txt |
| 05:51.20 | MrApathyCream | ok, one second |
| 05:51.27 | learner | get those three and build the .cxx |
| 05:51.35 | learner | should run as a console app |
| 05:51.57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: nice domain |
| 05:52.07 | MrApathyCream | 404 |
| 05:52.10 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: thanks |
| 05:52.43 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you realize...there are only about 5 people who still know what #10 means on the top 10 |
| 05:52.49 | learner | heheh, if you accidentally drop the "b", it get's hilarious.. :) |
| 05:53.08 | learner | ah, same as www.. :) |
| 05:54.55 | *** join/#bzflag Quol_ (~ianf@65.39.216.155) |
| 05:55.07 | Noodleman | Quol_: m00f |
| 05:55.40 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: yah |
| 05:56.12 | MrApathyCream | learner: yeh, an idea i had... have to get around to it |
| 05:56.39 | learner | http://brlcad.org/tmp/ |
| 05:56.54 | learner | had wrong permissions and gave you the wrong name.. |
| 05:56.57 | MrApathyCream | ok, there you go |
| 05:57.23 | MrApathyCream | are these in bzfs proj or bzflag? |
| 05:57.37 | learner | it's standalone |
| 05:57.44 | MrApathyCream | oh, ok |
| 05:57.47 | learner | there's a main |
| 05:58.49 | learner | I'm interested in 1) if it builds with any problems, and then 2) if it runs and gives the output I get same as here |
| 05:59.17 | MrApathyCream | unknown regex.h |
| 05:59.47 | learner | hmmm |
| 05:59.56 | *** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 05:59.59 | learner | what does windows use for posix regular expressions? |
| 06:00.08 | BZSpiff | Thank God.. someone is on here. LoL :-) |
| 06:00.30 | BZSpiff | Anyone have any idea what sort of program I'd have to have in order to make pics into icons? |
| 06:00.32 | MrApathyCream | *shrug* |
| 06:00.51 | MrApathyCream | (to learner) |
| 06:00.54 | learner | what platform, spiff? |
| 06:01.03 | BZSpiff | Windows. |
| 06:01.05 | learner | ok, apathy.. lemme dig a little, thx |
| 06:02.08 | MrApathyCream | nada |
| 06:02.21 | learner | it's probably just named something differnt |
| 06:02.33 | learner | regexp() is fairly new even for bsd/linux |
| 06:02.45 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 06:03.04 | learner | everyone used to use re_exec |
| 06:03.06 | BZSpiff | Cool proton. :-) |
| 06:03.21 | learner | yep.. we are now ready for relase 3.0 |
| 06:03.33 | Noodleman | BZSpiff: try microangelo |
| 06:03.47 | Noodleman | it's really spelled that way :-) |
| 06:04.17 | BZSpiff | Scary. ;-) |
| 06:04.21 | MrApathyCream | re_exec..strike two |
| 06:04.46 | learner | well.. guess not "everyone" :) |
| 06:07.17 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: fix non-windows builds |
| 06:07.40 | captain_proton | if diablo shows up now, don't tell him that i'm davidtrowbridge :) |
| 06:07.48 | captain_proton | learner: can you test that? |
| 06:08.39 | BZSpiff | Okies found it Noodleman. |
| 06:08.45 | BZSpiff | The name still scares me tho. ;) LoL |
| 06:08.49 | learner | yep, cap |
| 06:08.49 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 06:08.59 | BZSpiff | Thank ya. :-) |
| 06:09.13 | learner | it'll test automatically every 10 minutes ;) |
| 06:09.20 | learner | 40 sec to go |
| 06:11.12 | learner | autoheader: include/config.h.in is unchanged |
| 06:11.12 | learner | src/Makefile.am:2: required directory src/zlib does not exist |
| 06:11.12 | learner | src/Makefile.am:2: required directory src/mediafile does not exist |
| 06:11.12 | learner | make[1]: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1 |
| 06:11.12 | learner | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:11.22 | captain_proton | are you doing cvs up -Pd? |
| 06:11.35 | learner | supposed to be.. lemme check |
| 06:11.43 | learner | ugh. no I wasn't |
| 06:13.31 | learner | Making all in zlib |
| 06:13.31 | learner | make[2]: *** No rule to make target `all'. Stop. |
| 06:13.31 | learner | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:13.31 | learner | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 06:14.05 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 06:14.08 | learner | ah.. my bad |
| 06:14.15 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:14.17 | learner | new dir.. have to reconfigure |
| 06:14.21 | captain_proton | forgot to rerun autogen? ;) |
| 06:15.16 | MrApathyCream | anyone have a tool that bulk converts rgb's to png's? |
| 06:15.39 | learner | graphic converter |
| 06:15.42 | learner | yes |
| 06:16.07 | MrApathyCream | need all the data rgb's checked in as pngs |
| 06:16.24 | MrApathyCream | (and for cappy) with -kb |
| 06:16.41 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: actually cvs does that on its own now |
| 06:16.56 | captain_proton | learner: yeah, i checked, it does |
| 06:17.01 | learner | cool |
| 06:17.34 | learner | so convert data/*.rgb to png |
| 06:17.36 | learner | ? |
| 06:17.44 | learner | any others? |
| 06:18.19 | captain_proton | nope |
| 06:18.30 | learner | what about png options? |
| 06:18.39 | learner | compression interlacing, etc |
| 06:18.59 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: texture no longer needs BzfMedia.h |
| 06:19.00 | MrApathyCream | learner yes |
| 06:19.07 | MrApathyCream | just rgb -> png |
| 06:19.25 | learner | so no options? |
| 06:19.32 | MrApathyCream | there's something we don't support |
| 06:19.33 | MrApathyCream | hold on |
| 06:20.10 | MrApathyCream | no filtering no interlacing |
| 06:20.29 | MrApathyCream | compression is fine tho |
| 06:21.06 | learner | mkay |
| 06:21.10 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:23.30 | learner | that means it build fine, cap |
| 06:24.16 | captain_proton | k |
| 06:30.59 | CIA | commit by dbrosius: When joining a rabbit world, force player's team to be rogue so you don't get team full messages |
| 06:31.17 | scanline | "Most messages begin with the length of the message in bytes followed by a 16 bit code. The length is 16 bits and excludes itself and the code, so it's the actual length of the message minus 4." |
| 06:31.25 | scanline | does that really mean most messages or all messages? |
| 06:31.38 | captain_proton | most ;) |
| 06:31.42 | scanline | bleh |
| 06:31.43 | MrApathyCream | most? |
| 06:31.46 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 06:31.48 | scanline | thank goodness for subclassing |
| 06:31.54 | captain_proton | i think... |
| 06:31.56 | MrApathyCream | what doesn't? |
| 06:32.13 | captain_proton | dunno, i thought i remembered seeing some in a packet capture |
| 06:32.25 | MrApathyCream | maybe msggetworld chunks |
| 06:37.42 | MrApathyCream | living in OJ's house |
| 06:37.48 | learner | bah.. that lois lane lady even kept distracting superman |
| 06:37.58 | MrApathyCream | touche |
| 06:38.06 | JBDiGriz | Man of Steel, Woman of Kleenex |
| 06:40.02 | learner | do you want me to store a gamma in the png? |
| 06:40.33 | learner | I'll do one, and if it's good, I'll do the rest |
| 06:41.16 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 06:41.36 | MrApathyCream | hmm, do robots in general shoot at teammates? |
| 06:41.44 | learner | usually it would be a good thing.. but those rgb's weren't made on my system |
| 06:41.45 | MrApathyCream | cause they do in rabbit |
| 06:42.03 | learner | so my gamma is already not the same as the creator (unless he used osx.. ) |
| 06:42.03 | MrApathyCream | learner, without |
| 06:42.15 | MrApathyCream | i don't think we take the gamma into consideration anyway |
| 06:42.37 | learner | they should eventually get used, though -- less gamma twiddling needed in the app |
| 06:42.49 | JBDiGriz | Amazing, that Larry Niven short story is available in its entirety at http://www.rawbw.com/~svw/superman.html |
| 06:43.07 | captain_proton | learner: eh - the global gamma works fine |
| 06:43.52 | JBDiGriz | We might be breaking the robot code entirely depending on the network code reorg |
| 06:44.08 | scanline | MrApathyCream: once I rewrite the client I'll do fonts |
| 06:44.13 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:44.27 | captain_proton | well - i don't think its debatable that we're separating the client from the robots |
| 06:44.28 | MrApathyCream | so 2-3 weeks then? |
| 06:45.10 | scanline | s/weeks/hours/ |
| 06:45.13 | MrApathyCream | even if the robots were just as dumb, but did different things |
| 06:45.17 | MrApathyCream | scanline: :) |
| 06:45.39 | scanline | I mean, this already can read from the list server, and that's at least 1000x harder than making a new client |
| 06:45.42 | MrApathyCream | (and had names: bouncy, kamikaze, ... |
| 06:45.51 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: well - i'm encouraging him that once he finishes this pybzflag lib, to reimplement the current bot ai with it |
| 06:45.58 | captain_proton | then we can get rid of the robots in the client |
| 06:45.59 | scanline | :) |
| 06:46.18 | scanline | like bzflag-based RPGs |
| 06:46.20 | scanline | and game shows! |
| 06:46.28 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:46.40 | CIA | commit by brlcad: conversion of rgb data files to png |
| 06:46.48 | MrApathyCream | sw33t |
| 06:47.03 | learner | see if it did the conversion proper |
| 06:47.14 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:47.21 | learner | took all of 10 seconds once I found the folder.. |
| 06:47.25 | MrApathyCream | "You find yourself on the "Let's make a deal show" |
| 06:47.32 | MrApathyCream | Monty hall shows you three doors. |
| 06:47.49 | MrApathyCream | Behind two of the doors is a scooter |
| 06:47.58 | MrApathyCream | Behind the third door, is a brand new BZFlag tank. |
| 06:48.11 | scanline | yep, you have the idea |
| 06:48.15 | MrApathyCream | He asks you to pick a door, and you will receive what's behind it. |
| 06:48.30 | JBDiGriz | learner: beating up old men again? |
| 06:48.36 | learner | heh |
| 06:48.44 | learner | you're not that old, old man |
| 06:48.47 | MrApathyCream | You do, but before he shows you what you've won, he opens up one of the other doors to reveal a scooter |
| 06:48.58 | MrApathyCream | He then asks you if you'd like to change your door. |
| 06:49.08 | MrApathyCream | Should you? or doesn't it matter? |
| 06:49.09 | JBDiGriz | yeah, but Monty certainly is. I was at a taping of his show |
| 06:50.19 | learner | there were already a bunch of attic'd png's... this has been tried before.. |
| 06:50.48 | MrApathyCream | learner: looks good |
| 06:50.54 | learner | cool |
| 06:50.54 | MrApathyCream | learner: yes: this code came from 1.8 |
| 06:51.34 | MrApathyCream | So has anyone an answer? should you switch doors, keep your original door, or doesn't it matter? |
| 06:52.01 | captain_proton | doesn't matter |
| 06:52.09 | MrApathyCream | any other guesses? |
| 06:52.39 | learner | interesting.. the png's actually are more data that the rgb's??? |
| 06:52.45 | learner | that doesn't seem right |
| 06:52.51 | learner | 2mb vs 1mb |
| 06:53.47 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: the common argument is that by re-choosing, you're playing 1/2 instead of 1/3 |
| 06:54.01 | captain_proton | but you get those same odds by choosing the same door you had already chosen |
| 06:54.13 | MrApathyCream | that may be the common argument |
| 06:54.18 | learner | ah... frucking "du" returning wrong numbers... |
| 06:56.01 | learner | er.. no it's right |
| 06:56.32 | learner | ugh.. I dun't care |
| 06:57.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: if my answer is still incorrect, then please correct me ;) |
| 06:58.45 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i've come up with my answer |
| 07:00.24 | MrApathyCream | :ears: |
| 07:00.37 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: what i said above is my answer |
| 07:00.42 | MrApathyCream | bah |
| 07:00.45 | captain_proton | if its incorrect, prove to me that it is so |
| 07:00.51 | captain_proton | if not, stop dissenting ;) |
| 07:01.01 | MrApathyCream | write a simulator in python |
| 07:01.05 | MrApathyCream | you'll see you are incorrect |
| 07:01.43 | learner | ah, mr apathy creame.. just read your question |
| 07:01.57 | learner | you should always switch after seeing a choice |
| 07:02.01 | BZSpiff | Is it possible to simply make icons transparent? So all you see is the title text? |
| 07:02.02 | learner | it's a statistical classic |
| 07:02.26 | learner | odds go from being right 1/3 to 1/2 |
| 07:02.46 | captain_proton | learner: but you get those same odds choosing the door you had already chosen |
| 07:02.51 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: if you were wrong on your original guess, then by switching you win 100% of the time, correct? |
| 07:03.15 | captain_proton | yes |
| 07:03.20 | learner | cap.. write a program that simulates the choice.. it'll make a lot more sense |
| 07:03.24 | MrApathyCream | what percentage are you wrong on your original guess? |
| 07:04.00 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 07:05.35 | MrApathyCream | nope. |
| 07:05.39 | MrApathyCream | it's the truff |
| 07:05.45 | learner | toying with his mind, that is |
| 07:05.49 | MrApathyCream | You win 66% of the time by switching |
| 07:05.52 | learner | even if it is that truth |
| 07:05.53 | learner | :) |
| 07:08.57 | learner | :) |
| 07:09.30 | learner | ok, du was being a bitch |
| 07:09.40 | MrApathyCream | survey says? |
| 07:09.47 | MrApathyCream | png or rgb bigger? |
| 07:10.03 | learner | just computed the totals manually and rgb is 973783 |
| 07:10.12 | learner | png is 401196 |
| 07:10.15 | MrApathyCream | w00t |
| 07:10.19 | learner | w00t |
| 07:10.27 | MrApathyCream | Ok here's another one, before going to bed |
| 07:10.30 | learner | wtf is up with du?? |
| 07:10.45 | MrApathyCream | A man is a salesman who travels consistently |
| 07:10.58 | learner | heheh, consistently or constantly? |
| 07:10.59 | MrApathyCream | He always uses an airport and arrives back at it at the same time |
| 07:11.07 | MrApathyCream | consistently |
| 07:11.33 | MrApathyCream | His family always leaves there house at the same time and arrive at the airport at exactly the same time as he lands |
| 07:11.39 | MrApathyCream | They pick him up, and take him home. |
| 07:12.00 | MrApathyCream | One day, the man arrives 1 hour earlier than normal. |
| 07:12.16 | MrApathyCream | Realizing that his family will not show up for an hour, he decides to start walking |
| 07:12.34 | MrApathyCream | and will meet his family along the route, where they will turn around and go back home. |
| 07:12.56 | MrApathyCream | So he starts walking, they meet after a while, and go back home. |
| 07:13.18 | MrApathyCream | When he gets home he realizes that he has arrived home 20 minutes earlier than he normally does |
| 07:13.29 | MrApathyCream | For how long did he walk? |
| 07:16.52 | scanline | what's a good name for that first packet the server sends with the version and client ID? |
| 07:17.03 | captain_proton | whoa |
| 07:17.13 | captain_proton | vim gets really cranky when its being used in the middle of an upgrade |
| 07:17.31 | captain_proton | well not -really- confused, but it complains about syntax |
| 07:17.37 | learner | versionClientPacket |
| 07:17.47 | learner | clientVersionPacket |
| 07:17.52 | scanline | hmm, I get that too, but I'm not in the middle of an update |
| 07:18.03 | scanline | learner: I'm capable of making up names too :) |
| 07:18.08 | scanline | learner: so I guess there's no official name? |
| 07:18.14 | learner | :P you asked |
| 07:18.17 | scanline | hehe |
| 07:19.06 | captain_proton | hmm strange |
| 07:19.17 | captain_proton | vim is all upgraded to 6.2 now, but its still looking for the 6.1 syntax files |
| 07:21.14 | BZSpiff | Well...... it's 2:20 AM. |
| 07:21.17 | BZSpiff | Time for bed. |
| 07:21.21 | BZSpiff | Laterz all. :-) |
| 07:21.35 | BZSpiff | It's been fun watching your chat. :D |
| 07:24.38 | learner | lol |
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| 07:25.38 | scanline | captain_proton: looks like a typo you should be correcting :) |
| 07:28.41 | CIA | commit by brlcad: removed after conversion to png |
| 07:30.42 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:33.33 | captain_proton | hmm, not bad |
| 07:33.37 | captain_proton | png cuts data down by 600k |
| 07:33.52 | captain_proton | learner: what compression level did you use? |
| 07:34.02 | scanline | and png isn't a format people will give you weird looks for using :) |
| 07:34.17 | scanline | damnit! |
| 07:34.20 | captain_proton | scanline: hey, rgb is great for opengl ;) |
| 07:34.36 | captain_proton | just read in the header, read the data into memory and create a texture directly from it |
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| 07:38.44 | learner | cap, I didn't have an option -- i believe that's the lossless wavelet compression for the app I was using |
| 07:39.11 | learner | I'll see if I can find out |
| 07:43.54 | scanline | png is always going to be lossless, it uses zlib.. but you get a compression level from 0 to 9 |
| 07:44.22 | scanline | if there is a wavelet encoding for png, I doubt libpng would support it |
| 07:45.37 | learner | there still wasn't an option during the conversion process to set a level -- if it's lossless, though; you'd almost always want the best |
| 07:45.51 | learner | cputime being the tradeoff, i believe |
| 07:45.54 | scanline | what did you use to convert? |
| 07:45.55 | captain_proton | yep |
| 07:46.14 | learner | graphic converter |
| 07:46.22 | scanline | that's a bit general, no? |
| 07:46.37 | learner | it's an old app |
| 07:47.00 | learner | it's a beast converter |
| 07:47.50 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:48.06 | learner | 175 or so importers 75 or so exporters |
| 07:48.17 | learner | http://lemkesoft.com/en/gcabout_formats.htm |
| 07:48.37 | learner | apple ships a licensed version of it on all macs |
| 07:49.11 | scanline | I have a mac, never heard of it :) |
| 07:49.21 | learner | you gotta be kidding? |
| 07:49.34 | learner | check in your "Extra Tools" folder.. :) |
| 07:49.36 | scanline | is this OS < 10 only? |
| 07:49.43 | learner | pre and post |
| 07:49.54 | learner | back to at least os 8 |
| 07:50.00 | scanline | I've never seen an 'extra tools' folder in OS X |
| 07:50.07 | learner | no, that would be pre x |
| 07:50.49 | scanline | anyway, just sounds kind of odd for it not to give you options about png compression.. snag a copy of imagemagick or the gimp |
| 07:51.06 | learner | bah.. I have photoshop |
| 07:52.11 | learner | I love oss, but photoshop is my tool of pref by and large when it comes to my image editing |
| 07:52.40 | learner | gimp is "good" but still can't touch PS in terms of high-quality print production |
| 07:52.52 | scanline | sure, but for file conversion? |
| 07:52.59 | learner | ;) |
| 07:53.12 | learner | graphic converter :) |
| 07:53.20 | scanline | heh |
| 07:54.07 | learner | tool me all of a couple seconds to file->convert->selctFromDir->selectToDir->Select "go" |
| 07:55.07 | learner | you can download a fully functional nagware version (makes you count down 10 seconds on initial startup) |
| 07:55.45 | learner | So, then do you have PixelNhance neither? |
| 07:55.53 | learner | that was another freebie |
| 07:56.19 | learner | and the art director's toolkit |
| 07:56.43 | scanline | I don't think MacOS X comes with any of this |
| 07:56.53 | scanline | and if it did, I'd just install linux and use Gimp anyway :) |
| 07:56.58 | learner | I have a lab full of them at work :) |
| 07:57.09 | learner | os x doesn't come with it -- new machines do |
| 07:57.41 | scanline | oh.. I never bothered installing those CDs of extra junk |
| 07:57.41 | learner | did you buy a new machine? |
| 07:57.47 | learner | ah.. bingo |
| 07:58.00 | scanline | and mine didn't come with OS X, I got that afterwards |
| 07:58.13 | scanline | so all the stuff it came with was OS 9 softawre |
| 07:58.32 | learner | extra_junk == licenses_you_paid_for |
| 07:59.22 | learner | what's your machine? |
| 07:59.47 | scanline | just because I paid for it doesn't mean I have to like it or want to use it |
| 07:59.54 | scanline | 500Mhz ibook |
| 08:00.15 | scanline | when I got it, OS X was just barely out, but not shipping on new computers yet |
| 08:00.27 | learner | heheh, that sounds rediculous scanline :) |
| 08:00.40 | scanline | why? |
| 08:00.46 | learner | "just because I paid for dinner doesn't mean I have to like it or want to eat it" |
| 08:00.53 | scanline | um... |
| 08:00.56 | scanline | I paid for the machine |
| 08:01.05 | scanline | they throw in extra junk that I didn't ask for, I don't have to use it |
| 08:01.27 | learner | they didn't "throw" it in -- you paid for it whether you like/admit it or not :) |
| 08:01.31 | scanline | that's like saying I should be forced to eat an after-dinner mint because I paid for it when I bought dinner |
| 08:02.02 | learner | better example may be the salad, but your point is made |
| 08:02.33 | scanline | besides, I use OS X very little |
| 08:02.41 | scanline | it's too fruity for me... prefer linux |
| 08:02.52 | learner | so you run yellowdog? |
| 08:02.56 | scanline | no |
| 08:02.57 | scanline | gentoo |
| 08:03.02 | learner | ah |
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| 08:39.03 | learner | the fonts are funky now |
| 08:39.14 | learner | reminds me of the movie se7en |
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| 09:42.03 | Chestal | tag |
| 09:42.26 | david_v | this is not good, if people die at this rate, Fortix will not have anyone to meet |
| 09:44.35 | Chestal | who's dying? |
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| 10:10.27 | david_v | learner ? |
| 11:54.40 | scanline | hmmmm |
| 11:54.51 | scanline | anyone know if the MsgPlayerUpdate description on the wiki is accurate? |
| 11:54.55 | scanline | I'm getting some really odd numbers |
| 11:55.01 | scanline | MsgPlayerUpdate - Player 1 at (-1.8341017950689373e-35, 9.3622827971576807e-33, 1.727660876666067e-41) |
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| 12:02.12 | scanline | hmm, well the size of that packet on the wiki doesn't agree with the diagram |
| 12:09.08 | scanline | aha |
| 12:20.08 | scanline | whee |
| 12:20.18 | scanline | MsgPlayerUpdate - Player 1 at (8.0365638732910156, -73.654884338378906, 0.0) |
| 12:20.44 | scanline | now for a little more socket code, some event glue, and maybe some dead reckoning... |
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| 13:07.53 | Quol | anyone available to do a quicK test with me on my CTF tournament server?? (65.39.216.155:59999) |
| 13:08.10 | Quol | people tried to play last night and it was all broken :(.... |
| 13:08.35 | Quol | bular |
| 13:08.39 | Quol | bular |
| 13:09.53 | Chestal | still need one? |
| 13:10.04 | Quol | ya - if you have 2 seconds?? |
| 13:10.28 | Chestal | I'm in |
| 13:14.03 | Quol | i left myself spawned in chestal... |
| 13:14.29 | Quol | see if you can kill me as yesterday people could connect - but they couldn't see each other or kill each other...all NR?? |
| 13:19.48 | Chestal | get disturbed by students all the time :-( |
| 13:20.11 | Chestal | I don't see you |
| 13:29.58 | Quol | `you are right |
| 13:31.02 | Quol | is there anyway to force BZ to use a certain UDP port - isn't that the reconnect port option?? |
| 13:32.15 | Quol | brb... |
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| 13:39.12 | Quol | you there chestal - I saw you disconnect from the server..... |
| 13:39.24 | Chestal | more students :-( |
| 13:39.28 | Quol | no prob... |
| 13:39.33 | Chestal | UDP to and from server will go the the -p port, so 59999 inthis case |
| 13:39.47 | Quol | that's what *SHOULD* be doing |
| 13:40.00 | Chestal | what operatign system are you using? |
| 13:40.07 | Quol | but ny firewall is droping UDP packets :17200 from you in this case. |
| 13:40.11 | Quol | redhat 8 |
| 13:40.13 | Chestal | ah, hmm |
| 13:40.24 | Chestal | you should allow UDP packets to your port 59999 |
| 13:40.24 | david_v | i set up a bzflag server yesterday without problems |
| 13:40.27 | Quol | and I have no problems with the other 2 servers?? |
| 13:40.32 | david_v | just had to add two rules to my firewall |
| 13:40.35 | Chestal | the cleint will use 17200 or following |
| 13:40.41 | Quol | do i need to declare the public address and ports... |
| 13:40.56 | Quol | with the public statement I mean |
| 13:41.11 | Quol | #-publicaddr 65.39.216.155:59999 |
| 13:41.12 | Chestal | no, this only affects visibiliy in the server list |
| 13:41.13 | david_v | gtg though good luck... |
| 13:41.21 | Quol | tha'ts what I thought |
| 13:41.24 | Chestal | this must be a firewallproblem |
| 13:41.41 | Quol | but thats the only difference between my other CTF config and this one... |
| 13:41.48 | Chestal | when the other servers work, it means that the firewall routed UDP packets sent to the other ports just fine,but drops those to 59999 |
| 13:42.33 | Chestal | you looked into the firewall logs? yusaid it dropped my packets? |
| 13:42.38 | Quol | but that's the thing - the clients seemt o be using arbitrary ports - some 17200, some 42481 |
| 13:43.07 | Chestal | those not using 17200 are probably behind NAT |
| 13:43.39 | Chestal | their router remaps their port |
| 13:43.56 | Chestal | you'll simply have to allow UDP packets to the -p ports |
| 13:44.20 | Quol | but in this case the -p is 59999 |
| 13:44.24 | Chestal | yes |
| 13:44.30 | Quol | why is the client not using that port then? |
| 13:44.34 | Chestal | it does |
| 13:44.41 | Chestal | client: 17200 to server: 59999 |
| 13:45.19 | Chestal | source port from client is 17200, target port is 59999 |
| 13:45.22 | Quol | oops - sorry - I just had a brain fart there :) |
| 13:45.53 | Quol | you are right again - ahhhhhhhh not enough sleep lately - and the scary thing is this is what I do for a living :) |
| 13:46.07 | Chestal | hehe |
| 13:47.03 | sussudio | Quol: pigfarmer? |
| 13:47.26 | Quol | ya - exactly sussudio... |
| 13:48.16 | Quol | catherder - sounds fun |
| 13:48.48 | sussudio | slightly easier than a daycare center |
| 13:49.04 | Quol | i don't know about that .... :) |
| 13:49.11 | Quol | daycare's can kill a man |
| 13:49.16 | Quol | and a woman :) |
| 13:49.37 | sussudio | that's what tazers are for |
| 13:50.14 | Quol | tazers? |
| 13:50.23 | sussudio | ~dict tazer |
| 13:50.31 | sussudio | :-P |
| 13:50.40 | sussudio | you know..... "Waaah you are hunting me!" *ZAP* |
| 13:52.27 | sussudio | http://www.eliteselfdefense.com/tazer.htm |
| 13:52.29 | Quol | ahhhh |
| 13:52.45 | Quol | poor kids at your daycare :) |
| 13:52.56 | sussudio | hmm ninja throwing spikes |
| 13:53.26 | sussudio | this is a fun website |
| 13:55.42 | Quol | frigen firewall!!! |
| 13:56.09 | Quol | i had the rule there - but I just figured out that there is a limit in defining service grups |
| 13:56.11 | Quol | groups |
| 13:56.24 | Quol | and I am at the limit *!&^%@)*&^#_)&(!^@)&%_(*&$#*)&%#$^%!@(*&^)*^&#@$()^*@#$ |
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| 13:59.56 | Quol | hmm - i am at home, and for some reason my work PC just joined the channel - go figure |
| 14:00.31 | Quol | OK - i combined service groups - not the best thing but I think I fixed my firewall issue - anyone available to test out my CTF server?? |
| 14:00.41 | Quol | 65.39.216.155:59999 |
| 14:02.51 | sussudio | \bz |
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| 15:23.32 | percy | hello mates |
| 15:25.02 | sussudio | ~dict percy |
| 15:25.34 | percy | yeah i know my ancesters sucked |
| 15:25.48 | sussudio | "percy" is also slang for weiner |
| 15:25.59 | percy | shut it you |
| 15:26.23 | percy | i 'eard that enough growin up |
| 15:27.28 | sussudio | "point percy at the porcelain", which of course means urinate. |
| 15:27.43 | percy | im lookin for somone, patlabor or somat |
| 15:27.51 | sussudio | piglabor? |
| 15:28.00 | percy | i dont know his bloody name |
| 15:28.31 | percy | know he used to host some things for dinah, |
| 15:28.47 | sussudio | kraft dinnah? |
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| 15:29.19 | percy | sussudio: thats no way to speakof the disceased |
| 15:29.46 | sussudio | mac'n'cheese is dead? |
| 15:30.20 | percy | bloody hell. |
| 15:30.59 | Chestal | ah, hi percy |
| 15:31.25 | percy | sussudio: the late dinah overstreet, ya berk |
| 15:31.48 | percy | Chestal: you know somone named Patlabor or somethin like it? |
| 15:32.15 | Chestal | percy: Patlabor is usually on this channell later in the day |
| 15:32.43 | percy | Chestal: s'fine if i hang about then? |
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| 15:33.39 | Chestal | guess the channel can take it :-) |
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| 15:58.39 | Chestal | hi Pat. This percy guy was looking for you |
| 16:00.02 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:00.16 | Patlabor221 | percy,that's been a while |
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| 16:09.43 | Patlabor221 | anyone know why there are 2 ping.cxx files? |
| 16:13.43 | CIA | commit by jeffm2501: 2 pings for the price of one. That's more ping then any one can handle. toned it down to one. |
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| 16:41.25 | Patlabor221 | welp they did the software xbox crack |
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| 16:44.54 | larsl_56k | Cool! |
| 16:45.58 | larsl_56k | Maybe I should get one as a BZFlag machine. =) |
| 16:46.59 | Patlabor221 | no hardware GL yet |
| 16:47.05 | sussudio | yeah.. or you could get a PC for less that isnt a piece of ms crap. |
| 16:47.28 | larsl_56k | I know. But just to spite them. |
| 16:47.32 | Patlabor221 | but it wont' have the mem bandwith and those cool controllers :) |
| 16:47.43 | sussudio | so to spite them, you give them money...... hm. |
| 16:48.03 | Patlabor221 | that's what I am reading now, they thing that MS wants modchips |
| 16:48.09 | Patlabor221 | cus it makes people by stuff |
| 16:48.12 | larsl_56k | Aren't they still loosing money on selling the XBoxes without games? |
| 16:48.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:48.23 | sussudio | you cant get one without games |
| 16:48.26 | Patlabor221 | some |
| 16:48.27 | larsl_56k | Oh. |
| 16:48.35 | Patlabor221 | it's buneled with 2 |
| 16:48.44 | Patlabor221 | but they loose money on the console sale |
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| 17:14.49 | larsl_56k | Hehe, it's nice of the spammers to filter themselves by using an invalid character encoding. =) |
| 17:15.27 | karim | Hi, I tried to game bzflag on my old mandrake 8.2 , but there are some mesages about UDP ? Why that ? |
| 17:15.56 | larsl_56k | karim: Most servers require that you turn on UDP networking in your client. |
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| 17:16.23 | karim | Larsl_56k : Is there a option to turn it on in the game ? |
| 17:16.31 | larsl_56k | Because it's usually faster and less laggy than TCP. |
| 17:16.41 | larsl_56k | karim: Yes, look in the "Options" menu. |
| 17:17.20 | karim | I` m behind a firewall from my host, is this a problem for using UDP ? |
| 17:18.02 | larsl_56k | No, that should work. You are only using outgoing connections. |
| 17:18.06 | larsl_56k | I think. Anyone else? |
| 17:18.23 | Quol | As long as your firewall allows/translates the traffic - everything whould be OK |
| 17:18.30 | Quol | what type of firewall?? |
| 17:18.43 | Quol | whould = shoud :) |
| 17:18.50 | Quol | should - ack, can't type |
| 17:19.37 | karim | No it works, I switched UDP on, it works. (don` t know the type of firewall) |
| 17:20.15 | karim | Is it better to play with the mouse cursor or with the keybord keys ? |
| 17:20.46 | Quol | I use the mouse - never got used to the keyboard |
| 17:20.54 | Quol | more control with the mouse.. |
| 17:21.21 | karim | O.k , I will try it out. Thanks a lot folks |
| 17:21.31 | sussudio | teh mouse sux |
| 17:22.07 | larsl_56k | Keyboard can be good if you need to stand completely still, or move straight forward. |
| 17:22.31 | Quol | I just never got used to it - |
| 17:22.33 | larsl_56k | But I mostly use the mouse too. |
| 17:22.58 | Quol | easier to control (i find) with the mouse - you can control your speed to a finer degree of control and all |
| 17:23.24 | Mayhem | you can do 'wiggle dogdes' with the mouse. |
| 17:24.27 | sussudio | yeah, very effective ones. not. |
| 17:24.38 | sussudio | space space boom |
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| 17:50.26 | learner | ~seen bzgirl |
| 17:50.26 | | bzgirl <~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 14h 21m 46s ago, saying: 'Quol_: you there?'. |
| 17:50.51 | learner | Qual.. you're 59999 server won't display a countdown clock |
| 17:55.17 | larsl_56k | My lag always gets worse this time of day. |
| 17:55.35 | larsl_56k | Darned US surfers. |
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| 18:32.24 | Noodleman | m00 |
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| 18:35.41 | Carnage_ | . |
| 18:39.06 | learner | where's the "mailbox" in here? I forget how to use it |
| 18:39.43 | larsl_56k | ~botmail |
| 18:39.53 | larsl_56k | ~help |
| 18:40.26 | learner | you killed ibot |
| 18:40.39 | learner | i'll hunt the log.. thx, though |
| 18:40.54 | larsl_56k | Nothing in the help. |
| 18:40.57 | Patlabor221 | you can also live memos |
| 18:41.00 | Patlabor221 | use memoserv |
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| 18:41.58 | JBDiGriz | ibot is around, ibot's very particular about who to reply to :{) |
| 18:41.59 | | JBDiGriz: no idea |
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| 18:42.22 | sussudio | ~pig learner |
| 18:42.23 | | learner is 29% pig! |
| 18:42.24 | Greel | Fun |
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| 18:43.21 | Patlabor221 | see this is why we can never have any new people sussudio |
| 18:51.28 | sussudio | that wasn't 'new people', if you paid attention, you would have seen that was a clone of creeperz. |
| 18:51.45 | sussudio | do you want idiotboy here in twice? |
| 18:53.11 | learner | memosrv.. that's what I was looking for -- thanks |
| 18:53.35 | learner | oink |
| 19:14.55 | Patlabor221 | fiiiighttttt it |
| 19:15.01 | Patlabor221 | don't let biology win |
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| 19:42.27 | learner | mornin' cap |
| 19:42.32 | learner | that was one long nap |
| 19:42.35 | learner | :) |
| 19:43.05 | Noodleman | learner's a poet and he don't know it |
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| 19:49.59 | captain_proton | haha |
| 19:50.05 | captain_proton | a font lets you run unsigned code on the xbox |
| 19:50.43 | Mayhem | ain't it wonderful :) |
| 19:50.43 | Noodleman | now, that's funny :-) |
| 19:54.33 | larsl_56k | Yes, we bzflag hackers would never put any stupid bugs like buffer over/underruns in the code. =) |
| 19:54.45 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 19:55.05 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: the thing that gets me is that microsoft wouldn't listen to him, so he just posted to bugtraq =) |
| 19:55.48 | larsl_56k | They probably preferred that to doing what they wanted and sign a bootloader for Linux. |
| 19:56.36 | captain_proton | eh, not really |
| 19:56.47 | captain_proton | sounds like this guy just thought they should fix it |
| 19:58.26 | larsl_56k | It _is_ funny. Hopefully the XBox-Linux people will update their Mandrake distribution to do the font magic automatically. |
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| 19:59.56 | captain_proton | its a bit tricky |
| 20:00.13 | captain_proton | looks like it requries dumping a special font file in a directory on the disk |
| 20:00.17 | captain_proton | "special" :) |
| 20:00.18 | sussudio | seems iron foot wants to get in the highscores. using his own server. and about 12 bots. while he's using Geno. |
| 20:00.37 | calico | lol |
| 20:00.47 | captain_proton | iron foot? |
| 20:00.52 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 20:01.07 | sussudio | one of those servers. |
| 20:01.45 | larsl_56k | captain_proton: If there's a hard way there's probably also an easy way. =) |
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| 20:49.34 | larsl_56k | "Reconnecting isn't cheating because it's less efficient than GM." |
| 20:49.43 | larsl_56k | Now there's a waterproof argument. |
| 20:49.52 | sussudio | snort? |
| 20:50.17 | larsl_56k | Snort? |
| 20:50.19 | sussudio | it just needs translation |
| 20:50.32 | sussudio | it actually means "I'm a cheater and i'll make any lame excuse for it i can" |
| 20:50.58 | larsl_56k | Aah. |
| 20:51.06 | sussudio | or, as a shortcut: |
| 20:51.07 | sussudio | ,pig |
| 21:01.25 | bryjen | ~bzfquery 24.88.254.236:5155 |
| 21:02.03 | Mayhem | what a lamer |
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| 21:19.16 | learner | OH.. MY .. GOODESS... .:) |
| 21:19.28 | learner | ha hahahahaha |
| 21:19.34 | learner | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?p=8743#8743 |
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| 21:20.26 | learner | that's is SO funny!!!! |
| 21:20.31 | learner | hehhehehe |
| 21:21.57 | sussudio | why is there a pig's head on that chicken on the right? |
| 21:22.15 | learner | *snort* |
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| 21:23.59 | percy | Patlabor221: any luck then? |
| 21:24.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:31.47 | learner | heat must be getting to me |
| 21:31.50 | Patlabor221 | phantom pokeage? |
| 21:31.59 | Noodleman | i don't know what the heck iron foot is doing with those bots, but he won't make it onto the high scores on s.b.o |
| 21:32.12 | learner | I saw Quol's post on bzbb and associated it with irc somehow.. |
| 21:32.27 | learner | i talked to him briefly yesterday |
| 21:32.52 | learner | he said he actually was working on development -- though he didn't seem to be doing anything really |
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| 21:42.08 | sussudio | barry white's kicked the mc nugget bucket |
| 21:46.37 | learner | someone working on zlib? |
| 21:46.39 | learner | Making all in zlib |
| 21:46.39 | learner | .deps/gzio.Po:10: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 21:46.39 | learner | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 21:47.35 | captain_proton | no i |
| 21:48.51 | learner | maybe a configure fluke -- rebuilding |
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| 21:53.51 | learner | having the vorbis codec as an external library is really annoying |
| 21:55.37 | Patlabor221 | was media file added? |
| 21:55.49 | learner | yes |
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| 21:56.10 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: partially |
| 21:56.11 | captain_proton | its got png hooked up |
| 21:56.14 | captain_proton | not audiofile yet |
| 21:56.19 | david_v | Chestal: Bz Rebels had a match today vs Fortix. they won with 3-2 |
| 21:56.22 | Patlabor221 | cus I build sans vob lib |
| 21:56.33 | learner | Chestal's not here.. |
| 21:56.36 | david_v | oh |
| 21:56.36 | learner | :) |
| 21:56.42 | david_v | who can upload the stuff then? |
| 21:56.51 | learner | I'll leave him a message |
| 21:57.09 | david_v | k |
| 21:57.17 | Patlabor221 | ohh oggaudio file was not added to project |
| 21:57.52 | Patlabor221 | you said hooked up |
| 21:58.01 | Patlabor221 | that's difrent from being just there |
| 21:58.21 | Patlabor221 | may as well hook up the environ var now |
| 21:58.50 | Patlabor221 | dynamic or static? |
| 21:58.59 | captain_proton | linux i was planning dynamic |
| 21:59.11 | Patlabor221 | then I shall do the same on windows |
| 21:59.14 | Patlabor221 | it's better that way |
| 21:59.20 | captain_proton | eh, use your judgement ;) |
| 21:59.29 | captain_proton | windows dynamic libs are more of a pain |
| 21:59.31 | Patlabor221 | linking to an export lib is easyer |
| 21:59.34 | david_v | see, windows is not rain proof |
| 21:59.42 | david_v | because of all the holes :) |
| 21:59.43 | Patlabor221 | not for just simple dll like this |
| 21:59.56 | Patlabor221 | static gets me all kinds of conflicts |
| 22:00.00 | Patlabor221 | dynamic just easy |
| 22:00.16 | Patlabor221 | just means I need to put the dll in the install, no worrys |
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| 22:04.32 | captain_proton | well - no reason to actually link them yet :) |
| 22:05.19 | Patlabor221 | just to get it done, dosn't hurt anything |
| 22:06.12 | captain_proton | unless you wanna yank the sound manager from 1.8... ;) |
| 22:09.44 | Patlabor221 | well geting to play nice and automaticly set up the build environ for debugin is gonna be fun :) |
| 22:11.53 | learner | that sucked |
| 22:12.18 | learner | rain was coming down horizontall.. :) |
| 22:12.51 | captain_proton | heh, sounds like the rain i did in 1.8 :) |
| 22:14.53 | corona | still have the error in zlib |
| 22:14.56 | corona | Making all in zlib |
| 22:14.57 | corona | .deps/gzio.Po:10: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 22:14.57 | corona | make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 22:17.36 | captain_proton | make maintainerclean and start over? |
| 22:20.20 | corona | was trying that again now |
| 22:20.36 | corona | er, not again -- but am doing that now |
| 22:21.57 | corona | would anyone complain if I embedded the entire mac os x ogg vorbis sdk into src/platform/MacOSX? |
| 22:23.40 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:23.48 | captain_proton | it'd be neat if i hooked this all up to pgbuild once its done :) |
| 22:23.49 | corona | still building |
| 22:24.04 | corona | "pg"? |
| 22:24.08 | captain_proton | then we could just tell the build system to fetch it |
| 22:24.15 | captain_proton | corona: its the build system scanline is writing for picogui |
| 22:24.24 | corona | ah |
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| 22:47.06 | corona | cap, autoconf cruft -- it builds |
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| 22:59.32 | bryjen | ibot: seen Noodleman |
| 22:59.32 | | i haven't seen 'noodleman ', bryjen |
| 22:59.45 | bryjen | ~seen Noodleman |
| 22:59.45 | | i haven't seen 'noodleman ', bryjen |
| 23:00.24 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 23:01.04 | bryjen | Warning: mysql_connect(): Access denied for user: 'readwrite @localhost' (Using password: YES) in /var/www/stats.bzflag.org/index.php on line 6 |
| 23:01.29 | Noodleman | hehe, lemme fix that |
| 23:02.31 | corona | ConfigFileManager makes a call to the CommandManager (CMDMGR) |
| 23:02.49 | corona | yet the CommandManager is not in libcommon (it's in bzflag) |
| 23:03.14 | captain_proton | corona: ah, good point |
| 23:03.23 | Noodleman | bryjen, should work now |
| 23:03.31 | corona | should command manager be moved, or the reference removed |
| 23:04.38 | bryjen | Noodleman: Server Info seems to work. Online players is empty tho |
| 23:04.48 | Noodleman | i'm working on that onw |
| 23:05.08 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: move command manager to common |
| 23:05.21 | captain_proton | try that |
| 23:06.23 | Noodleman | bryjen: fixed |
| 23:08.37 | corona | good stuff, cap |
| 23:09.40 | corona | nah |
| 23:10.21 | corona | jb, I have a new pb with all the new goodies in it |
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| 23:11.01 | JBDiGriz | corona: I guess I'll have to start an update. Have you gone outside today? |
| 23:11.16 | corona | yep, had to let my puppy out :) |
| 23:11.24 | Patlabor221 | LOL activision is suing Viacom/Paramount cus current StarTrek sucks |
| 23:12.12 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: What's the temperature like in your part of the world? |
| 23:12.21 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's hot |
| 23:12.38 | Patlabor221 | let me fine the real temp |
| 23:12.39 | JBDiGriz | over 100 hot, or in the 90's hot |
| 23:12.50 | Patlabor221 | I think 90 |
| 23:12.52 | Patlabor221 | 's hot |
| 23:13.00 | JBDiGriz | Thanks! |
| 23:13.11 | Patlabor221 | how is it down there? |
| 23:13.33 | JBDiGriz | It's warm, but that means high 70's to 80's. The beach is always nice! |
| 23:13.37 | corona | yep, cap.. happened last night after -> png |
| 23:13.45 | Patlabor221 | it's very very sunny today |
| 23:14.38 | Patlabor221 | hmm they say it's 78 |
| 23:14.46 | Patlabor221 | feels more then that tho |
| 23:15.03 | Patlabor221 | ehh it probably is 78 in camarillo |
| 23:15.19 | corona | weather.com says it's presently 86 and feels like 90 |
| 23:15.24 | corona | here |
| 23:15.39 | Patlabor221 | how does a website know what it feels like ? :) |
| 23:16.06 | JBDiGriz | It's the new clammy sensors they've attached to the weather stations. |
| 23:16.08 | Patlabor221 | cap, you in the 90s? |
| 23:17.07 | Patlabor221 | our temp shoudld be close JBD, I think you are the closest BZer to me |
| 23:17.43 | JBDiGriz | I'm about 2 miles from the ocean. It makes a big difference in the temp around here. |
| 23:18.28 | bryjen | the fonts a fugly against the sky. looks ok if i face a box |
| 23:18.47 | Patlabor221 | yeah that does |
| 23:18.59 | Patlabor221 | I'm at the end of a long valley that ends at the ocean |
| 23:19.06 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: probably close |
| 23:19.09 | Patlabor221 | so we get da wind |
| 23:19.36 | Patlabor221 | why do you have an "everything" of doom? |
| 23:19.58 | JBDiGriz | That breeze makes all the difference. We keep the windows open around here. |
| 23:20.05 | bryjen | to offset your things "of justice" ? ;) |
| 23:20.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 23:20.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah forgot about that |
| 23:20.23 | Patlabor221 | does that mean I'm his nemisis? |
| 23:20.45 | JBDiGriz | I don't think justice fights doom. justice fights iniquity |
| 23:20.56 | Patlabor221 | well I am the anit-linux |
| 23:21.05 | bryjen | ~dict iniquity |
| 23:21.19 | JBDiGriz | We'll just call you anity then! |
| 23:21.25 | Patlabor221 | powers of darkness, tha'ts kinda doom like |
| 23:21.36 | JBDiGriz | ~dict doom |
| 23:21.59 | Patlabor221 | wow id got it in the dictionary |
| 23:22.08 | Chestal | ~dict moster |
| 23:22.12 | JBDiGriz | Sounds like doomed could be a form of justice |
| 23:24.48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm every time I hear this music, I think of a bunch of people walkin thru vegas in slow mo |
| 23:25.12 | JBDiGriz | Sounds sort of quiet to me. |
| 23:26.14 | Patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/SoundTracks/Ocean's%2011/Various%20Artists%20-%20Dialogue-%20$160%20Million%20Chinese%20Man.mp3 |
| 23:27.24 | JBDiGriz | It tells me I need a password. Is it the same as my other login? |
| 23:27.31 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:27.40 | JBDiGriz | Didn't think so. |
| 23:28.13 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: look ma, no background! |
| 23:28.26 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool if I could tie them together :) |
| 23:29.13 | Patlabor221 | well best would be get it all moved into asgard so it's on a proper webserver |
| 23:29.56 | captain_proton | ...should i do it? |
| 23:30.08 | Patlabor221 | do what? |
| 23:30.13 | captain_proton | commit this half-done |
| 23:30.20 | Patlabor221 | walk thru vegas slow mo? |
| 23:30.34 | captain_proton | it all seems to be working, such as it is |
| 23:30.44 | captain_proton | and it'd be nice to get other people to test |
| 23:32.10 | Patlabor221 | what is "it"? the sound manager? |
| 23:32.27 | captain_proton | integration of BZDB |
| 23:32.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 23:32.49 | Patlabor221 | that was all the config stuff wasn't it? |
| 23:32.57 | captain_proton | that was preparation for it |
| 23:33.03 | captain_proton | i've started merging things over to the new config |
| 23:33.19 | JBDiGriz | learner: Mediafile.h: No such file or directory |
| 23:35.50 | captain_proton | any objections? =) |
| 23:39.10 | CIA | commit by brlcad: updated pb project: added libz and libMediaFile frameworks, removed rgb resources, added png, added new cxx files, and added make distclean to config.h target |
| 23:39.42 | JBDiGriz | ah, i'll try again! |
| 23:39.53 | learner | I hadn't commited yet jb -- update and try it now |
| 23:40.11 | learner | I'm having trouble getting it to find the data directory, but it builds hitchless |
| 23:43.14 | captain_proton | well, since nobody objected... ;) |
| 23:43.38 | captain_proton | hold on to yer pants |
| 23:43.52 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: integrate BZDB somewhat (warning: there are now -two- active config files) |
| 23:44.36 | JBDiGriz | learner: libMediaFile seems to have a dependency on libogg.a libvorbis.a and libvorbisenc.a |
| 23:45.25 | learner | jb, yes we have to have the ogg vorbis sdk installed now. |
| 23:45.36 | learner | it's set up to assume /usr/local |
| 23:46.08 | learner | http://vorbis.com/download_mac.psp |
| 23:46.15 | JBDiGriz | It's set up to assume it's at a particular level in the directory tree. We need to remove all those "../../.." and so forth. |
| 23:46.42 | learner | that should be okay... |
| 23:46.43 | captain_proton | learner: OggAudioFile should not be in the build yet |
| 23:47.03 | captain_proton | no reason to add the dependency until we actually use oggs |
| 23:47.43 | learner | there are symbols in media file that required it to resolve |
| 23:47.50 | captain_proton | shouldn't be |
| 23:47.59 | learner | perhaps it was vorbis dep |
| 23:48.00 | captain_proton | but oh well :) |
| 23:48.21 | captain_proton | what i mean is.. |
| 23:48.28 | captain_proton | are you compiling OggAudioFile.cxx? |
| 23:48.33 | captain_proton | and do you have to? |
| 23:49.20 | learner | yep -- will it harm anything? that's where we'll eventually be, yes? |
| 23:49.32 | captain_proton | it'll force you to link with the vorbis libs |
| 23:49.42 | captain_proton | and yes, it'll eventually be integrated |
| 23:49.47 | learner | this week or next week, doesn't matter ;) |
| 23:50.05 | learner | it's done |
| 23:50.22 | JBDiGriz | Did you install the include files in /usr/local/include as well? |
| 23:50.38 | learner | and it'll give me plenty of time to gripe in advance about it.. |
| 23:50.42 | learner | yes, jb |
| 23:54.15 | learner | does anyone have any ideas on a "good" way to do posix regular expressions on windows? |
| 23:54.46 | learner | otherwise, the agressive filter will not work for windows bzfs servers |
| 23:55.06 | Patlabor221 | cygwin? |
| 23:55.20 | learner | what about cygwin? |
| 23:55.21 | Patlabor221 | and noone runs perm windows BZFS servers |
| 23:55.25 | Patlabor221 | they lock up |
| 23:55.32 | learner | hehehe |
| 23:55.34 | captain_proton | find a library that does posix regex? |
| 23:55.37 | Patlabor221 | it's true |
| 23:55.45 | learner | I looked for some, cap |
| 23:55.56 | sussudio | isnt winnt supposed to be posix compliant |
| 23:55.59 | learner | there are a handful to choose from -- heck I have an implementation |
| 23:56.27 | learner | that means nothing as to including posix feature X suss |
| 23:58.07 | JBDiGriz | learner: ld: warning dynamic shared library: /usr/local/lib/libogg.dylib not made a weak library in output with MACOSX_DEPLOYMENT_TARGET environment variable set to: 10.1 |
| 23:58.29 | JBDiGriz | It shouldn't make a difference, but I just wanted to make sure you were aware of it. |
| 23:59.14 | JBDiGriz | learner: and I see you're still compiling in /Volumes/Home/Archive/BZ/bzflag |
| 23:59.24 | learner | yeah I saw that |
| 23:59.46 | learner | heh.. what'd I miss? |
