| 00:00.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah, you blow up and the chicken goes to the next closest in score. |
| 00:00.20 | learnerAtWork | yea, but the poor chicken -- he'd be roasted |
| 00:00.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:01.22 | Patlabor221 | there are a lot of game varitaions that would be fun |
| 00:01.25 | Patlabor221 | like domination |
| 00:01.25 | JBDiGriz | tag would probably work in the opposite way, you gain points if you're not tagged. |
| 00:01.35 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 00:02.11 | Patlabor221 | would be wierd in a large group tho |
| 00:02.27 | Patlabor221 | some people would never be near the it |
| 00:02.36 | Patlabor221 | and would get the largest score by default |
| 00:02.40 | Patlabor221 | he who hides wins |
| 00:02.44 | JBDiGriz | It's a game that works well in a large group of kids, and they all have fun. |
| 00:02.59 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 00:03.10 | Patlabor221 | CTC would be more competitive |
| 00:03.13 | JBDiGriz | It needs a map where hiding is not necessarily the best option |
| 00:03.30 | JBDiGriz | CTC would be a lot more competitive and better for the more skilled players |
| 00:03.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah, the modes are largely map dependet |
| 00:03.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:03.57 | Patlabor221 | CTC gets all harry cus the hunters can't hurt each other :) |
| 00:04.08 | michaelh2 | I would think the best thing to do would be to enable a bunch of features that allow any number of playing modes... |
| 00:04.09 | Patlabor221 | put it on a 10 shot server :) |
| 00:04.18 | JBDiGriz | Yikes! |
| 00:04.30 | Patlabor221 | UT style mutilators would be cool |
| 00:04.41 | Patlabor221 | but that would be a huge change. |
| 00:04.43 | michaelh2 | or to at least use that as a base ... |
| 00:05.16 | michaelh2 | rather than have strict separate modes that are all encased in if and case statements :) |
| 00:05.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:05.36 | Patlabor221 | but that's gonna take a major reorg of the code |
| 00:05.47 | Patlabor221 | for screamers each game type was it's own class |
| 00:05.52 | michaelh2 | so KOTH is in the code right now? |
| 00:05.59 | Patlabor221 | derived off of a base class |
| 00:06.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what I just changed to rabbit chase |
| 00:06.28 | michaelh2 | well whatever works I suppose.. but I imagine people will keep adding modes |
| 00:06.42 | Patlabor221 | or something |
| 00:07.04 | michaelh2 | are there servers running the 1.9? |
| 00:08.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:09.12 | Patlabor221 | tho if you get CVS from right now it wont' work with rabbit chase untill they update |
| 00:09.19 | Patlabor221 | cus one of the messages changed |
| 00:09.42 | michaelh2 | there's just one i assume? |
| 00:09.54 | Patlabor221 | one what? |
| 00:09.57 | michaelh2 | server? |
| 00:10.31 | Patlabor221 | one KOTH one normal I think |
| 00:11.13 | JBDiGriz | chestal, bzgirl, and learner were running test 1.9 servers for a while. |
| 00:11.24 | Patlabor221 | BZGirls is the koth one, when I see her I'll tell her to update and I'll update the windows builds |
| 00:11.51 | Patlabor221 | is learners koth or normal? |
| 00:13.06 | JBDiGriz | when he gets up, he should be able to tell us! :{) |
| 00:13.11 | Patlabor221 | I didn't want to change them message, but I figured it was better to do it now, then later have a real KOTH mode not be able to use 'nk' as a message |
| 00:13.21 | Patlabor221 | so I made it 'nR' |
| 00:13.21 | learnerAtWork | mines not running? |
| 00:13.27 | learnerAtWork | oh, i guess not.. hold on |
| 00:13.39 | Patlabor221 | update to cvs |
| 00:13.47 | learnerAtWork | now? |
| 00:13.54 | JBDiGriz | It's a good time to change everything, it's defined to be unstable and we should get it right. |
| 00:13.55 | learnerAtWork | I didn't see the commit |
| 00:13.55 | Patlabor221 | then you can be a RC instead of a KOTH |
| 00:14.02 | Patlabor221 | I did |
| 00:14.04 | Patlabor221 | all changed |
| 00:14.07 | Patlabor221 | one message changed |
| 00:14.17 | Patlabor221 | nk = nR now |
| 00:14.46 | JBDiGriz | And we won't have to listen to anyone complaining that it should be nr at any point in the future! |
| 00:15.35 | Patlabor221 | nr was used |
| 00:15.41 | Patlabor221 | for not responding |
| 00:15.48 | Patlabor221 | so I did capital R |
| 00:16.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's best to not leave the crap in there |
| 00:16.18 | Patlabor221 | that's how cluges get in |
| 00:18.07 | Patlabor221 | windows installer updated |
| 00:20.08 | JBDiGriz | Time to head home, so I can update my build! |
| 00:22.07 | doughecka | bfoj? |
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| 00:22.23 | Patlabor221 | big folder of justice |
| 00:22.25 | learnerAtWork | justice fist |
| 00:22.31 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:22.39 | Megachirops | good afternoon (in the Americas) everyone |
| 00:22.49 | Megachirops | good day to everyone else |
| 00:22.55 | learnerAtWork | hi, chirops |
| 00:22.58 | Patlabor221 | or night |
| 00:23.04 | Megachirops | day=24hrs |
| 00:23.06 | Megachirops | :) |
| 00:23.15 | Nidhoggr | someone is replacing my switch in my datacenter rack. I'm just waiting for my connectivity to die. :) |
| 00:23.28 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 00:23.32 | doughecka | replacing? hah |
| 00:23.37 | Megachirops | everyone see my post in the chat forum? |
| 00:23.42 | Patlabor221 | where you at megachirops? |
| 00:23.48 | Nidhoggr | replacing an hp2424 with an hp2524 |
| 00:23.52 | Megachirops | Cali |
| 00:24.06 | Patlabor221 | where in there? |
| 00:24.22 | doughecka | sacrimento |
| 00:24.27 | Megachirops | El Dorado - Greater Sac |
| 00:24.34 | doughecka | hah |
| 00:24.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh up by derv |
| 00:24.43 | Megachirops | lol |
| 00:24.49 | Megachirops | cool |
| 00:24.54 | Nidhoggr | heh.. doug giving up on ircing from logos? :) |
| 00:25.44 | doughecka | naw |
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| 00:25.52 | doughecka | epic is still cool :P |
| 00:26.01 | Nidhoggr | logos is a quiet machine. |
| 00:26.10 | doughecka | oh? |
| 00:26.14 | doughecka | whys that |
| 00:26.37 | Nidhoggr | you, I and chris are the only ones that are ever on it. |
| 00:26.39 | Nidhoggr | so it's quiet. |
| 00:26.50 | Nidhoggr | all it does is gather mail, server web pages, and bzfs. |
| 00:27.00 | doughecka | ah |
| 00:27.04 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:27.30 | Nidhoggr | hrm. bill is being slow about replacing switch. |
| 00:28.15 | Nidhoggr | going from a 1U to a 2U switch. I told him he could do it as long as I didn't get charged for the extra rack unit. |
| 00:28.40 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:29.03 | Nidhoggr | I'm not too picky... I just wanna make sure I have my snmp. :) |
| 00:29.30 | learnerAtWork | time to leave at a more reasonable hour today.. cya soon |
| 00:29.38 | michaelh2 | what are the registry dirs in Win2k? |
| 00:29.39 | Nidhoggr | later, learner |
| 00:30.00 | doughecka | hmm, btw, know how to USE snmp? I have it installed on XP, but I dont see how to use it |
| 00:30.06 | michaelh2 | WINNT/config? |
| 00:30.26 | doughecka | I want to access other devices |
| 00:30.32 | doughecka | like routers and servers |
| 00:30.43 | Nidhoggr | doug... you don't use snmp... someone could use snmp to track stuff on your machine remotely though. |
| 00:30.58 | Nidhoggr | snmp is only really useful for managing resources. |
| 00:31.32 | Patlabor221 | doug you want like tellnet |
| 00:31.34 | Patlabor221 | or slip |
| 00:31.35 | doughecka | well, I just want to do *something* with it :) |
| 00:31.44 | Nidhoggr | I use mrtg to graph bandwidth that a machine is using. |
| 00:31.47 | Patlabor221 | ask in #crapywindowsservers |
| 00:32.01 | Patlabor221 | now I go home |
| 00:32.21 | doughecka | its on everything, I just want to access whatever data it gives out |
| 00:32.39 | Nidhoggr | there are a handful of things that will do that. |
| 00:32.53 | Nidhoggr | I was confused by snmp for a long time. |
| 00:33.01 | Nidhoggr | then I took a 2 week class. |
| 00:33.11 | doughecka | maybe its in there |
| 00:33.12 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 00:33.17 | Nidhoggr | it should be. |
| 00:34.22 | Nidhoggr | I haven't played with one yet. |
| 00:34.53 | Nidhoggr | I wanna get another LARGE drive for logos, and a net card, and make a back door connection to my other server... and mount filesystems across the 2 servers. |
| 00:35.11 | doughecka | oooh :) |
| 00:35.12 | Nidhoggr | maybe I'll do that tomorrow. |
| 00:35.31 | doughecka | snap servers have nfs |
| 00:35.52 | Nidhoggr | well, I lost another 2 pounds. |
| 00:35.57 | Nidhoggr | down to 181. |
| 00:36.04 | Megachirops | good job... |
| 00:36.09 | Nidhoggr | thanks. :) |
| 00:36.18 | Nidhoggr | I was 197 this time last month. |
| 00:36.47 | doughecka | woohoo :P |
| 00:36.49 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 00:37.12 | doughecka | I am thin naturely |
| 00:37.16 | Nidhoggr | one more day of medicinal eye drops. |
| 00:37.20 | doughecka | I eat and eat, yet never get fat |
| 00:37.27 | Megachirops | same here.. |
| 00:37.31 | Nidhoggr | doug... it'll catch up to you... wait til you're 25. |
| 00:37.42 | doughecka | :P |
| 00:37.58 | Nidhoggr | good thing I love salads. |
| 00:38.43 | Nidhoggr | either he replaced the switch, and I didn't notice, or he's REALLY slow. |
| 00:38.44 | Megachirops | mmmmmm... steak salad with 1 cup of blue cheese dressing |
| 00:38.50 | Nidhoggr | hahahaha |
| 00:38.55 | Nidhoggr | actually, I make my own dressings. |
| 00:39.03 | Nidhoggr | olive oil, vinegar, and spices. |
| 00:39.09 | Nidhoggr | different vinegars for different moods. |
| 00:39.09 | Megachirops | that's all it needs.. |
| 00:39.27 | Megachirops | i enjoy Old Bay seasoning on my salads |
| 00:39.33 | doughecka | my dad makes his own blue cheese salad dressing |
| 00:39.38 | Nidhoggr | I haven't tried old bay. I should. |
| 00:39.46 | Megachirops | it goes with EVERYTHING |
| 00:39.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 00:40.03 | *** topic/#bzflag by creeperz -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while || anoncvs sucks, so here are some snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ || Be sure to check out #Saladchat |
| 00:40.32 | Nidhoggr | I should check out 1.9, and see what's cool. |
| 00:40.40 | Megachirops | so what's the deal with this KOTH i hear about |
| 00:41.03 | *** topic/#bzflag by creeperz -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while || anoncvs sucks, so here are some snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 00:41.24 | Nidhoggr | king of the hill game |
| 00:41.33 | Nidhoggr | 1.9 has various games it can do. |
| 00:41.35 | Nidhoggr | or will do. |
| 00:41.39 | Megachirops | i see |
| 00:41.48 | Megachirops | i downloaded it.. then did nothing... |
| 00:42.10 | Megachirops | well, off to eat for me |
| 00:42.51 | Nidhoggr | later |
| 00:43.05 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || <TimRiker> I have slice for want english speak too. |
| 00:43.38 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while || anoncvs sucks, so here are some snapshots: http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 00:45.21 | Nidhoggr | w00... 1.9 rebooted my PC :) |
| 00:45.42 | doughecka | sweet |
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| 00:46.37 | doughecka | look who the apple tree drug in |
| 01:02.07 | Megachirops | well, im off to play a video game.. talk to y'all later |
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| 01:19.55 | michaelh2 | perhaps we should just skip C++ and go directly to c# |
| 01:20.03 | michaelh2 | har har har |
| 01:21.08 | michaelh2 | arg I need a faster computer............. |
| 01:25.00 | michaelh2 | well it compiles and runs :) |
| 01:25.41 | michaelh2 | wt* is a "Solution" ????????? |
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| 01:40.09 | michaelh2 | runs better w/ vsync disabled... |
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| 01:53.33 | JBDiGriz | bzgirl: Pat added some changes to koth, and put together a windows client, it requires a new server as well. |
| 01:53.45 | JBDiGriz | It's now rabbit hunt |
| 01:53.53 | bzgirl | yeah i was wondering |
| 01:53.57 | bzgirl | hmm |
| 01:54.11 | bzgirl | i cant compile it now tohugh :( |
| 01:54.36 | bzgirl | it will interfere with the players on my other server probably? |
| 01:54.48 | bzgirl | it can wait i guess |
| 01:55.26 | JBDiGriz | it can wait until pat's around, people won't use the new client until then |
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| 03:08.49 | Noodleman | wireless is kinda flaky out in the hammock |
| 03:20.40 | learner | Does anyone know for sure whether Debian can run RedHat binaries out of the box? |
| 03:20.51 | Noodleman | should be able to |
| 03:21.01 | learner | Yes.. I know it "should".. :) |
| 03:21.11 | Noodleman | you probably can't install rpm's tho |
| 03:21.26 | learner | no, just vanilla binaries and .so's |
| 03:22.05 | Noodleman | there's no reason why it shouldn't unless the libc's are incompatible |
| 03:23.17 | learner | hence my question.. |
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| 03:38.01 | learner | wow, I'm having the oddest problems connecting to bzg's server |
| 03:38.15 | learner | hey girl! |
| 03:38.28 | bzgirl | whats happening? i see alot of people logon/off |
| 03:40.33 | learner | there's linux binaries of the latest bunny code at http://brlcad.org/~sean/bzbunny.tar.gz |
| 03:40.41 | learner | for anyone interested |
| 03:41.36 | learner | it was built on a i686 box, so I make no promises.. ;) |
| 03:44.37 | bzgirl | learner: was there a cvs commint? |
| 03:45.15 | learner | earlier today, yes |
| 03:45.29 | bzgirl | with that new code? |
| 03:45.30 | learner | pat converted everything to be bunny hunt |
| 03:45.51 | learner | "that new code" == ?? |
| 03:46.10 | bzgirl | bunny hunt whatever, not code, changed words |
| 03:46.33 | learner | ;) |
| 03:46.41 | learner | -king changes to -rabbit |
| 03:47.24 | bzgirl | oh ok |
| 03:49.18 | bzgirl | ~bzg |
| 03:49.42 | bzgirl | ~bzg3 |
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| 03:58.29 | Noodleman | ninjaaaaaaaasoooooooocks! awaaaay! |
| 04:00.31 | learner | hey pat |
| 04:00.48 | learner | patch looked good :) |
| 04:00.52 | patlabor221 | ninjasocks was here? damn I issed him |
| 04:01.06 | patlabor221 | he allways steals the icecream sandwitches |
| 04:01.42 | Noodleman | gotta go inside, the skeeters are getting me |
| 04:02.34 | patlabor221 | blood calls out for blood |
| 04:02.44 | patlabor221 | learner I don't think I missed any |
| 04:10.41 | scanline | rabbit of the hill? |
| 04:11.37 | patlabor221 | where does it say that? |
| 04:11.44 | patlabor221 | I thought I got them all |
| 04:12.24 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 04:12.35 | patlabor221 | you know me and engrish, don't scare me like that :) |
| 04:12.41 | scanline | =) |
| 04:22.27 | patlabor221 | wow it does really need grouping |
| 04:50.12 | patlabor221 | and now for the testing |
| 04:53.44 | JBDiGriz | Where are you testing? |
| 04:53.55 | patlabor221 | a rabbit map |
| 04:54.16 | patlabor221 | sadly my server crashes :) |
| 04:54.22 | learner | heh, really? |
| 04:54.32 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:54.35 | patlabor221 | debuging now |
| 04:54.39 | JBDiGriz | Would that be a rabbit warren? |
| 04:55.14 | patlabor221 | no |
| 04:55.19 | patlabor221 | it's kinda out in the open |
| 04:55.27 | JBDiGriz | Sometimes it's tough not to be a little harsh on new players :( |
| 04:55.30 | patlabor221 | nowhere for the rabbit to hide, has to run |
| 04:55.45 | patlabor221 | not all things can cater to new players |
| 04:56.00 | patlabor221 | and with the team thing, they will mostly have everyone else on there team |
| 04:56.13 | JBDiGriz | learner and I were just on bzgirl ctf, and there were a couple of players who didn't listen |
| 04:56.30 | bzgirl | listen to what? |
| 04:56.32 | patlabor221 | there will allways be people like that |
| 04:56.56 | JBDiGriz | yeah, but sometimes it makes me grumpy, and I wish I could be a little more tolerant |
| 04:57.11 | learner | yeah, wsn't much fun |
| 04:57.52 | JBDiGriz | hopefully they'll play for a while, and learn a bit more about group etiquette |
| 04:57.53 | learner | so... who's ported bzedit to non-windows? :) |
| 04:58.01 | bzgirl | JBDiGriz: so long as your not abusing them, like making them feel like idiots :) |
| 04:58.10 | patlabor221 | learner, thre is a linux bzedit |
| 04:58.18 | patlabor221 | there was one before there was my bzedit |
| 04:58.23 | learner | oh.. he put your filter to good use, girl -- don't you worry! |
| 04:58.27 | patlabor221 | my bzedit can't be ported |
| 04:58.45 | bzgirl | the filter took a beating tonight |
| 04:58.49 | learner | hehehe |
| 04:59.15 | learner | pat, where? |
| 04:59.21 | bzgirl | JBDiGriz: the big problem is that most newbies dont know the "unwritten rules" |
| 04:59.30 | JBDiGriz | That'll be the day learner! |
| 04:59.48 | patlabor221 | in CVS |
| 04:59.50 | learner | wait what am I talking about -- i have a windows emulator lying around here somewhere |
| 04:59.55 | patlabor221 | been there forever |
| 05:00.13 | patlabor221 | heavly dependent on GTK tho |
| 05:00.25 | learner | dat's ok -- dat'll work |
| 05:00.29 | JBDiGriz | Spiff left red, so one of the players switched from red to green making it 4 v 1, and I was a little annoyed by it. I didn't need to comment, but I did. |
| 05:00.32 | patlabor221 | then CVS |
| 05:00.41 | patlabor221 | needs gtk-glarea |
| 05:00.46 | patlabor221 | and gnome headers too |
| 05:00.48 | learner | is it better than yours? |
| 05:00.50 | JBDiGriz | learner: You're hanging around chika too much. |
| 05:00.51 | patlabor221 | not just gtk |
| 05:00.55 | patlabor221 | it has less features |
| 05:00.56 | patlabor221 | it's caps |
| 05:01.15 | learner | actually I've seen her once in the past 2 weeks on the field |
| 05:01.47 | learner | ;) |
| 05:02.04 | JBDiGriz | learner: write a lisp module for emacs, that will work everywhere! :{) |
| 05:02.16 | learner | oh, that would be cool |
| 05:02.21 | learner | I'd like that |
| 05:02.35 | learner | writing major modes is a bit of work, though.. :( |
| 05:02.47 | patlabor221 | welp I'm never using bzedit ever again |
| 05:03.02 | bzgirl | it rebooted your computer? |
| 05:03.04 | learner | why's that? |
| 05:03.08 | patlabor221 | wiped the map |
| 05:03.20 | bzgirl | :( |
| 05:03.25 | patlabor221 | big time |
| 05:03.43 | patlabor221 | it was very nice too |
| 05:03.55 | bzgirl | you dont save as you go i guess |
| 05:04.00 | patlabor221 | I did |
| 05:04.04 | patlabor221 | that is why I am mad |
| 05:04.12 | patlabor221 | saved and quit |
| 05:04.18 | patlabor221 | musta been the quit |
| 05:04.19 | bzgirl | and no map! |
| 05:04.25 | patlabor221 | 0k |
| 05:04.44 | patlabor221 | I saved, then quit and it asked to save again, that musta been it |
| 05:05.02 | learner | you're not promoting your software that I'm downloading right now very well.. pat... |
| 05:05.13 | patlabor221 | no waranty :) |
| 05:05.29 | patlabor221 | I do need to move it into the scrawl framework |
| 05:05.34 | patlabor221 | then it will be much nicer |
| 05:05.35 | learner | ~dict waranty |
| 05:05.45 | learner | ~ispell waranty |
| 05:05.46 | | possible spellings for waranty: warranty warrant warranter variant warrants guaranty warpaint warranty's arrant variantly warrant's warranted rant want |
| 05:05.49 | learner | :) |
| 05:05.51 | patlabor221 | see don't have one :) |
| 05:06.11 | patlabor221 | and it was such a cool map too |
| 05:06.17 | bzgirl | :(( |
| 05:06.27 | learner | sure it was.. |
| 05:06.37 | bzgirl | computers ruin everything |
| 05:06.49 | learner | artemisgames? |
| 05:06.53 | patlabor221 | programing would be realy fun cept for the computer |
| 05:06.54 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:07.03 | learner | k |
| 05:07.22 | JBDiGriz | Your dad just bought you a bad computer. |
| 05:07.36 | patlabor221 | my dad? |
| 05:07.38 | learner | hmmm... half the images won't load |
| 05:07.50 | JBDiGriz | Old SNL skit, a parody of an apple ad. |
| 05:07.58 | patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:08.18 | patlabor221 | cus I bought the first 'real' computer in famialy |
| 05:08.22 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/BZEdit/ |
| 05:08.31 | patlabor221 | those don't load? |
| 05:08.47 | JBDiGriz | Who bought the first "unreal" computer in your family? |
| 05:08.59 | patlabor221 | damn and I thougt that was one of my better sites |
| 05:09.00 | learner | not through the emulator for some reason.. but I found the link |
| 05:09.16 | patlabor221 | ohh that would be my dad, the comodore 64 |
| 05:09.21 | patlabor221 | you want these |
| 05:09.21 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/BZE_1.5.9f10_Installer.zip |
| 05:09.25 | learner | Does it run on a mac, pat? |
| 05:09.26 | learner | j/k |
| 05:09.27 | patlabor221 | and http://www.artemisgames.com/BZEdit/DLLKit.zip |
| 05:09.31 | learner | heheh :) |
| 05:09.34 | patlabor221 | no clue |
| 05:09.39 | patlabor221 | seems it works on linux tho |
| 05:10.43 | patlabor221 | acording to a relyable source |
| 05:10.44 | learner | I had just noticed your comment about your theme.. |
| 05:11.07 | patlabor221 | heh yeah |
| 05:11.27 | patlabor221 | I got comments "but your running it on a mac, come on release it!!" |
| 05:11.55 | learner | what'd you do the gui with? |
| 05:12.04 | patlabor221 | MFC!!! :) |
| 05:12.11 | learner | eeek |
| 05:12.21 | patlabor221 | I told you it can't be ported |
| 05:12.47 | patlabor221 | the world read/write/draw classes are all nice and portable tho |
| 05:13.09 | patlabor221 | ooOOOoooOOOoooo nyquill kickin in |
| 05:13.15 | patlabor221 | look at the funny collors |
| 05:14.10 | learner | might steal them if you don't mind.. |
| 05:14.18 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 05:14.30 | patlabor221 | I can send you the latest code tomrow if you want |
| 05:14.34 | patlabor221 | the code up there is old |
| 05:14.40 | learner | later |
| 05:14.45 | learner | I am interested, though |
| 05:14.48 | learner | quite |
| 05:15.13 | learner | ugh, my head hurts |
| 05:15.45 | patlabor221 | now makes me wonder if my map was a nyqull induced halucination |
| 05:17.44 | patlabor221 | well I think I can rebuild it tomorow |
| 05:17.46 | patlabor221 | was a simple map |
| 05:20.30 | patlabor221 | if I don't go to work tomorow I'll probably end up implemetnig some of BZEdit in scrawl just so I can make my map |
| 05:20.33 | patlabor221 | but for now. |
| 05:22.00 | learner | dangit.. bzedit didnt' work and the man left! |
| 05:25.42 | learner | so is she? |
| 05:26.19 | learner | heh, oops |
| 05:26.37 | learner | I need to hone by irc-fu skills |
| 05:33.03 | learner | a browser that won't do css2 (basic text/font style) is going to be from around 1996 or so |
| 05:33.13 | learner | dangit! |
| 05:37.47 | bzgirl | iuse what now? -bunny? |
| 05:38.07 | learner | hehe :) |
| 05:38.12 | learner | no |
| 05:38.22 | learner | -rabbit |
| 05:38.34 | bzgirl | oh |
| 05:38.36 | bzgirl | :) |
| 05:40.45 | bzgirl | ok looks like it works |
| 05:42.03 | learner | girl, did you recompile? |
| 05:42.09 | bzgirl | yes |
| 05:42.10 | learner | can I take the link down now? |
| 05:42.12 | learner | ok |
| 05:43.54 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 06:05.18 | JBDiGriz | Go to sleep learner, g'nite |
| 06:06.19 | learner | heh |
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| 08:06.32 | bomber_ | moin |
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| 08:49.05 | ak|ra | moin |
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| 09:57.30 | Chestal | ~d |
| 09:58.55 | bomber_ | where is ducati? |
| 10:00.14 | Chestal | it's back |
| 10:02.27 | bomber_ | ok... |
| 10:07.04 | ak|ra | ~d |
| 10:07.07 | ak|ra | ~d6 |
| 10:27.12 | [dmp] | ~d6 |
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| 12:05.15 | Chestal | ~dict annoint |
| 12:05.21 | Chestal | ~spell annoint |
| 12:05.22 | | possible spellings for annoint: anoint anoints anointer anent Antoine appoint amount anion Antoni unmount announce anointed anon Antony anions |
| 12:05.25 | Chestal | ~dict anoint |
| 12:05.35 | Chestal | hmmm |
| 12:41.04 | CIA | commit by chestal: MsgNewRabbit uses TCP now; handle cases where there is no rabbit (only observers) and some general rabbit sanity |
| 12:51.13 | sussudio | rabbit sanity? |
| 12:51.21 | sussudio | =:-B |
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| 13:35.08 | Nidhoggr | yay! the national do-not-call registry opened today. |
| 13:40.46 | sussudio | that's nice.. or something |
| 13:42.05 | Chestal | "anoint" doesn't makesense for the rabbit, does it? |
| 13:42.38 | sussudio | not unless you want to oil up the rabbit |
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| 13:54.53 | bryjen | change it to pullNewRabbitFromHat() ? |
| 13:55.06 | bryjen | ;) |
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| 14:03.44 | CIA | commit by chestal: slot 0 is good enough for me, so I'll use it; no candidate rabbit found -> set rabbitIndex accordingly |
| 14:10.04 | bryjen | ooops. somebody did s/king/rabbit and now we have things like networrabbit , kicrabbit , spearabbit |
| 14:12.06 | bryjen | Chestal: not that I expect to see a server with 255 players on it, but was there a problem with using a negative to mean no rabbit ? |
| 14:13.01 | Chestal | bryjen: it's unsigned |
| 14:13.18 | bryjen | ah |
| 14:13.33 | Chestal | ah, cool :-) |
| 14:16.04 | CIA | commit by chestal: the damn rabbits multiplied |
| 14:16.15 | bryjen | LOL :) |
| 14:17.53 | bryjen | Hmmm const int MaxPlayers = 200 that must be why some of the public servers claim 200 players. "Lets twist this dial as far as it will go and see what happens" |
| 14:19.31 | Chestal | I guess it defaults to the max when you don't specify anything |
| 14:21.54 | bryjen | could be |
| 14:22.31 | Chestal | I setup a rabbit-style 1.9 server, not unlike the 1.7 on 5155 |
| 14:24.43 | bryjen | yup max 200 players |
| 14:25.19 | bryjen | bzgirls 1.9 rabbit server has that too |
| 14:25.45 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:25.52 | Chestal | actually, I thought I had put up a limit |
| 14:27.16 | Chestal | I used -mp 8,0,0,0,0 to limit it to 8 rogues, and no other colours allowed |
| 14:31.20 | bryjen | odd. flag alert during rabbit game? |
| 14:31.44 | MrCooper | what's up with ducati? |
| 14:32.54 | bryjen | and inconsistent rabbitness between clients |
| 14:33.35 | bryjen | learner: what date was the code you were using ? |
| 14:33.50 | learner | hmm... from late last night |
| 14:34.16 | bryjen | i had just fetched bzflag-2003-06-27-08.03.32.tar.gz |
| 14:34.53 | learner | I'm rebuilding the latest right now |
| 14:35.07 | bryjen | theres another one after that (just a spelling fix i believe) |
| 14:35.12 | learner | there were messaging problems too -- that are not on my test server |
| 14:35.25 | sussudio | there's nobody on the 1.9 servers :-P |
| 14:36.01 | bryjen | oh yeah. Chestal: when we tried to send messages to all they somehow became private messages |
| 14:36.30 | bryjen | although there were only two players, so there was really no one else to talk at |
| 14:38.50 | Nidhoggr | how does hunt the bunny work? |
| 14:39.23 | learner | someone's a bunny -- everyone else hunts him down |
| 14:40.00 | bryjen | Player with the top score or something is bunny. There's a formula |
| 14:40.01 | learner | the player alive and with highest score becomes bunny when the existing is captured |
| 14:40.48 | Nidhoggr | ah, cool. |
| 14:42.33 | learner | lets try again.. I have new client |
| 14:43.18 | Nidhoggr | took me hours to get 1.9 cvs yesterday. |
| 14:51.03 | learner | what's the jump flag? "J" ? |
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| 15:04.06 | bryjen | ack. X froze up on me. |
| 15:04.24 | learner | how do I get only certain flags onto a map? ... |
| 15:04.42 | learner | without unspecifying all the flags I *don't* want |
| 15:04.59 | bryjen | bzfs +f L +f G +f SW |
| 15:05.26 | bryjen | don't use +s |
| 15:05.44 | learner | then how do I get N flags? |
| 15:06.01 | bryjen | narrow? add +f N |
| 15:06.09 | bzgirl | # you mean? |
| 15:06.20 | learner | yes, # |
| 15:06.27 | bryjen | ah, oops |
| 15:06.52 | bryjen | do a +f for each ? ;) |
| 15:07.12 | bzgirl | no theres a way to do that.. |
| 15:07.32 | bzgirl | +f V/7 |
| 15:07.35 | learner | so I need to do +s ### -f .. -f .. -f .. |
| 15:07.37 | bzgirl | something like that |
| 15:07.45 | bryjen | i think you can also do something like +f GM +f ST {3} |
| 15:07.52 | bryjen | to get 1 GM and 3 STs |
| 15:07.52 | learner | hm.. |
| 15:08.35 | bryjen | +s gets you a specified number of random flags. then the -f blocks out certain kinds |
| 15:09.05 | bryjen | +f lets you add individual flags by hand |
| 15:09.40 | learner | neither -f J {30} or -f J/30 worked.. |
| 15:10.57 | [dmp] | -f J{30} (no space) ? |
| 15:11.50 | bzgirl | try +f J{30} |
| 15:12.19 | bzgirl | -f is asking "dont put 30 flags" isnt it? |
| 15:12.37 | learner | er, I meant + |
| 15:12.47 | learner | no space seems to work |
| 15:13.23 | [dmp] | bzgirl: I think so :) |
| 15:14.21 | bzgirl | learner: i have incompatible server version connecting to yours now |
| 15:14.45 | learner | yes... I just (unfortunately) rebuilt it |
| 15:14.52 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 15:14.56 | learner | it's a bit borked now too |
| 15:15.10 | learner | player chat isn't working right |
| 15:15.14 | bzgirl | "jacked" :) |
| 15:15.18 | learner | :) |
| 15:15.47 | learner | can you connect to chestal's? |
| 15:16.06 | bzgirl | yes |
| 15:16.16 | learner | really! |
| 15:16.23 | bzgirl | yes |
| 15:16.24 | learner | we should be running the same server -- lemme restart it |
| 15:16.39 | learner | try again |
| 15:17.34 | bzgirl | ok now |
| 15:17.43 | bzgirl | holy flags! |
| 15:18.03 | bryjen | batman! |
| 15:18.39 | bryjen | re-make-ing |
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| 15:24.29 | Nidhoggr | my pc (bzflag computer) keeps locking up. I think it's the vid card. :( |
| 15:26.01 | Nidhoggr | I think I'm going to finally ditch this readeon 9700 |
| 15:27.28 | Patlabor221 | radeon suxorz |
| 15:27.44 | Nidhoggr | what's a GOOD cheap alternative for linux? |
| 15:28.14 | sussudio | pigs |
| 15:28.24 | sussudio | just put mem=nopentium in lilo.conf |
| 15:28.36 | Patlabor221 | a FX5200 is under $100 |
| 15:28.45 | sussudio | radeon rulez |
| 15:28.52 | sussudio | nvidia is teh sux |
| 15:28.56 | Patlabor221 | the hardware may but drivers are crap |
| 15:29.02 | sussudio | :-P |
| 15:29.06 | Nidhoggr | sussudio... I used to do that, and it'd lock the computer even worse. |
| 15:29.08 | Patlabor221 | they don't even have a comliant GL implmention |
| 15:29.43 | Nidhoggr | I think I got a faulty card at the time. |
| 15:30.36 | sussudio | 2screen[1024x768 32bit 120Hz] |
| 15:30.45 | sussudio | my radeon works fine |
| 15:30.52 | Nidhoggr | this is even locking on boot now. |
| 15:31.15 | Nidhoggr | it was just when I was on bz before.. now it's not even getting past booting. |
| 15:31.24 | sussudio | sounds more like inadequate cooling or faulty mem |
| 15:31.44 | Nidhoggr | it might be cooling, but the mem had been replaced previously. |
| 15:31.52 | Nidhoggr | I'll have to open it up again. |
| 15:32.04 | Nidhoggr | this ATI card had the same problem in my other computer. |
| 15:32.41 | Nidhoggr | gunna go relax my eyes for a bit, then make a plan of attack. |
| 15:32.45 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 15:37.41 | bryjen | learner: what snap of the server were we on? |
| 15:37.56 | learner | Nidhoggr: have a test for you to try |
| 15:38.05 | Nidhoggr | learner? |
| 15:38.22 | learner | Nidhoggr: try turning off blending add see if it still crashes on you.. (seriously) |
| 15:38.38 | learner | snap? |
| 15:38.54 | Nidhoggr | learner, it hasn't even booted yet. |
| 15:39.06 | bryjen | i've been getting the cvs via snapshots http://sfsnap.babylonia.flatirons.org/ |
| 15:39.09 | Nidhoggr | it's locking on boot now. |
| 15:39.27 | learner | ah snapshot.. none -- it's the latest cvs from about 5-10 minutes ago |
| 15:39.50 | learner | did you try reseeding your pci/agi devices? |
| 15:39.54 | bryjen | ah. i havent had much luck with anonymous cvs lately |
| 15:40.06 | learner | ah, yes anonymous is borked |
| 15:40.30 | learner | the latest snapshot should be the most recent still |
| 15:40.32 | bryjen | the last snapshot is from a little over and hour ago, i think |
| 15:40.49 | learner | that sounds right |
| 15:41.09 | bryjen | timestamped by one of those Mountain time zone weirdos |
| 15:41.09 | learner | they get rebuilt after every commit |
| 15:41.25 | bryjen | ;) |
| 15:41.42 | bryjen | ~seen Chestal |
| 15:41.44 | | chestal is currently on #bzflag (22h 10m 47s). Has said a total of 54 messages. Is idling for 1h 14m 28s |
| 15:41.58 | learner | heheh |
| 15:42.08 | Patlabor221 | hey they were almost stamped by one of use pactific time zone wierdos |
| 15:42.48 | bryjen | eh. At least you hear about PST. Nothing's scheduled by MST |
| 15:44.14 | sussudio | not even hogfights? |
| 15:44.37 | learner | EST-baby. It's the way to go. ;) |
| 15:45.42 | bzgirl | so whats the problem with the messages? |
| 15:45.53 | bzgirl | they all go t bunny as pvt? |
| 15:46.00 | bryjen | public messages seem to go to player 0 |
| 15:46.04 | learner | no, they all went to you as private.. |
| 15:46.15 | learner | :) |
| 15:46.29 | learner | I think that sounds right. darn player 0 issue again |
| 15:46.35 | bzgirl | do pvt messages work? |
| 15:46.40 | learner | yes |
| 15:46.49 | bryjen | bzgirl: at first they were going to you, then when you left, they worked. Weren't you the first one in? |
| 15:46.56 | bzgirl | yes |
| 15:46.58 | bzgirl | ahh :) |
| 15:49.32 | bryjen | hehe. Ches fixed up the rabbit proliferation :) |
| 15:51.03 | bryjen | hmm i wonder if that was just in the server |
| 15:52.41 | bryjen | heh. ./include/Protocol.h: MsgNewRabbit player is relinquishing rabbitship |
| 15:52.46 | Secret_Hamster | what would be a good 3d Video card to use a Linux box? |
| 15:53.13 | Patlabor221 | depends who you ask |
| 15:53.21 | Patlabor221 | I say anything by nvidia |
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| 15:54.01 | Patlabor221 | are there even any NON 3d cards made these days? |
| 15:54.17 | bryjen | I've have an ATI and a Matrox |
| 15:54.24 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 15:54.29 | bryjen | 've have |
| 15:54.41 | bryjen | Patlabor221: :P |
| 15:54.54 | Patlabor221 | what ATI? |
| 15:55.08 | bryjen | Radeon 7500 |
| 15:55.24 | Patlabor221 | under linux or windows? |
| 15:55.30 | bryjen | linux |
| 15:55.31 | Secret_Hamster | Sorry pressed the wrong button. |
| 15:55.45 | Patlabor221 | they have hardware drivers for that thing? |
| 15:55.48 | Secret_Hamster | So any Radeon past the 7500, which matrox cards |
| 15:55.59 | bryjen | don't put the kill-me-now button next to enter ;) |
| 15:56.07 | bryjen | Matrox G450 |
| 15:56.11 | Patlabor221 | I say nvidas, cus they just freaking work |
| 15:56.28 | Patlabor221 | I thought ATI only had hardware drivers for 8000's and up |
| 15:56.44 | bryjen | Wha? |
| 15:56.53 | Patlabor221 | are you just using dri? |
| 15:56.57 | bryjen | Drivers in kernel and from XFree86 and DRI |
| 15:57.02 | Patlabor221 | eww |
| 15:57.21 | Patlabor221 | then you don't have full hardware |
| 15:57.27 | Secret_Hamster | so which nvidia, and who are Proline? |
| 15:57.30 | bryjen | Just 'cause NV does their own doesn't mean everbody has to. |
| 15:57.40 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 15:57.49 | Patlabor221 | but the DRI stuff isn't fully done for the radeons yet |
| 15:58.01 | bryjen | Works good enough for me. |
| 15:58.27 | bryjen | better than my previous *cough* 3dfx *cough* |
| 15:58.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah those SUCK |
| 15:58.44 | Secret_Hamster | sorry not Proline, Prolink. they seem to be the most expensive ones on the site I'm looking at |
| 15:58.48 | Patlabor221 | any nvidia realy, they all work the same |
| 15:58.56 | Patlabor221 | where are you lookin? |
| 15:59.01 | bryjen | Like so many, once they were all that, and now they are gone. |
| 15:59.02 | Patlabor221 | and how much you want to spend? |
| 15:59.06 | Secret_Hamster | http://www.web-systems.co.uk/?page=Products&gid=12 |
| 15:59.18 | Chestal | some messges are still broken after the playerid has changed |
| 15:59.22 | Patlabor221 | we have GF2MX fro like $28 |
| 15:59.23 | Chestal | msgmessage needs an ovrhaul I guess |
| 16:00.03 | bryjen | Did somebody somebody stutter? ;) |
| 16:00.06 | Secret_Hamster | Not much to spend. Looking at getting another PC for development work, thought I might as well get a groovy vid card to get BZflag working well |
| 16:00.21 | Patlabor221 | well BZflag dosn't use much |
| 16:00.39 | Patlabor221 | screamers wont' work right on a ATI :( |
| 16:00.55 | bryjen | I don't think I've seen a plain VGA card in a looooong while |
| 16:01.01 | Patlabor221 | they don't make them |
| 16:01.08 | bryjen | probly not |
| 16:01.14 | Secret_Hamster | yea at the mo I have a ATI Rage 128 and is piss poor |
| 16:01.14 | Chestal | I think I remmeber that in 1.8 we had some special ids whichwere for server and everyone etc. |
| 16:01.17 | Patlabor221 | they just make crap 3d cards, or not crap 3d cards |
| 16:02.04 | Patlabor221 | chestal what was the big change to playerID? |
| 16:02.21 | bryjen | Oooh, I remember buying a card that the box bragged about 2D accelleration |
| 16:02.41 | Patlabor221 | all cards have 2d accell now :) |
| 16:02.44 | bryjen | for a 386 i believe |
| 16:02.46 | Chestal | Patlabor: eh,well, using 1 byte now |
| 16:02.54 | Patlabor221 | instead of 2? |
| 16:03.06 | Secret_Hamster | Well when I originally bought this PC (upgraded MB now) the Rage128 was the hottest thing |
| 16:03.21 | Patlabor221 | the rage 128 was NEVER the hotest thing :) |
| 16:03.29 | Patlabor221 | rage pro was :) |
| 16:04.39 | bryjen | 2 bytes for player IDs? 65536 players? |
| 16:04.44 | Secret_Hamster | anyway I need an updgrade, so me looking at summit, and transferring the rage to the tother machine |
| 16:05.01 | Chestal | patlabor: before it was ip/port |
| 16:05.18 | bryjen | playerId = port |
| 16:05.25 | bryjen | or somesuch |
| 16:05.31 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh |
| 16:06.00 | Patlabor221 | hence all the nat wackyness we had in 1.9 for a while |
| 16:06.46 | bryjen | Patlabor221: public chat messages seem to be whacked still. All going to player 0 |
| 16:08.16 | bryjen | Unless there is no player 0 , then they work |
| 16:09.47 | Patlabor221 | I won't say all, but I have seen some do that yeah |
| 16:10.01 | Patlabor221 | when I was behind a nat, it was funky and sometimes I showed up as cap |
| 16:12.27 | bryjen | ventriloquism |
| 16:19.57 | Patlabor221 | make that a flag :) |
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| 16:24.11 | bryjen | No thanks. Those who spew foulness should not have a way to route it through me. |
| 16:27.19 | Patlabor221 | the antidode coudl be the "exorcism" flag :) |
| 16:28.20 | bryjen | to do that the turret would have to spin around. ;) |
| 16:28.34 | Patlabor221 | shooting green bullets |
| 16:28.38 | bryjen | ewwwwww |
| 16:29.26 | [dmp] | ~seen strayer |
| 16:29.32 | | strayer <~s-t-r-a-y@p50911457.dip.t-dialin.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 22h 36m 33s ago, saying: 'oh..he still is'. |
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| 16:32.52 | sussudio | ~seen pigs |
| 16:32.53 | | sussudio: i haven't seen 'pigs' |
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| 16:49.56 | [dmp] | Anybody remembers what ascii value escape got? |
| 16:50.15 | sussudio | 27 |
| 16:50.37 | Patlabor221 | 1b :) |
| 16:51.03 | [dmp] | thanks |
| 16:51.04 | sussudio | #27 :-| |
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| 16:51.18 | Patlabor221 | 1b is 27 |
| 16:53.18 | [dmp] | hmm do bzflag still -echo ansi codes the stdout? I do i just have an old version? |
| 16:53.29 | [dmp] | s/the/to/ |
| 16:53.54 | larsl_56k | Mine does (CVS from yesterday). |
| 16:54.33 | larsl_56k | -echoClean will strip the color codes. |
| 16:54.37 | bryjen | theres -echo and -echoClean in g2 |
| 16:57.38 | [dmp] | ah. Then i wont bother with doing ansi-stripping.. |
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| 16:58.43 | larsl_56k | Hm, -echo won't reset the text properly. The text is still bold when bzflag has quit. |
| 17:00.34 | bryjen | jup. How would it know what to put it back to? |
| 17:00.46 | larsl_56k | It could un-bold it. |
| 17:01.03 | bryjen | Well, yeah :| |
| 17:01.24 | larsl_56k | \e[0m or somethin. |
| 17:01.31 | larsl_56k | g |
| 17:01.37 | bryjen | I thought mine looked whiter than normal. maybe it was just bold-er. |
| 17:01.55 | larsl_56k | It's actually 'bright', but most terminals interprets that as 'bold'. |
| 17:02.42 | bryjen | Any people with their terminal color set green or amber just need to deal with it. ;) |
| 17:03.06 | larsl_56k | They should set their 'default' text style to that color. |
| 17:03.19 | larsl_56k | So when the terminal was reset, it would use that style. |
| 17:04.23 | bryjen | Ah. I'm not familiar with the ansi codes. I thought BZ would have to know what color to restore to. |
| 17:10.38 | larsl_56k | Hm, someone seems to have added the 'bright' code to the 'reset' code deliberately. |
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| 17:30.44 | CIA | commit by larsl: Reset the terminal properly, don't leave brightness on |
| 17:32.08 | Chestal | anyone care for a bunny test on ducati? |
| 17:32.14 | sussudio | :-P |
| 17:33.14 | bryjen | Sure |
| 17:33.37 | sussudio | that blew |
| 17:34.34 | larsl_56k | "rabbit"... I liked it better when I was the king. =) |
| 17:40.48 | larsl_56k | I can't type public or team messages, even if I use 'n' or 'm' everything goes as a privmsg to bryjen. |
| 17:41.12 | bryjen | I'm probly player 0 |
| 17:41.16 | larsl_56k | And when I was the rabbit I heard the team flag alert whenever someone picked up High Speed. |
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| 17:41.22 | bryjen | lemme quit and we'll see |
| 17:41.25 | larsl_56k | Is HS flag number 0? |
| 17:41.27 | strayer | hiho :) |
| 17:41.42 | bryjen | Chestal bzgirl larsl_56k : try messages to all now |
| 17:42.15 | larsl_56k | bryjen: Yes, it works now. |
| 17:42.24 | bryjen | thought so |
| 17:43.00 | larsl_56k | Now everything goes to you again. =) |
| 17:43.31 | larsl_56k | Must be a bug with the new PlayerIDs. |
| 17:44.20 | bzgirl | who joined that match first? bryjen? |
| 17:44.33 | bryjen | Yup. T'was I |
| 17:44.36 | bzgirl | when bry signed off the messages worked |
| 17:44.58 | bzgirl | then when he rejoined they were "jacked" :) |
| 17:45.01 | Patlabor221 | didn't someone yesterday say there was a bug in bzedit? |
| 17:45.03 | larsl_56k | So we either need to start counting at player 1, or use another ID for 'all players'. |
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| 17:45.58 | larsl_56k | That's another bug. The rabbit shouldn't be allowed to pause. =) |
| 17:46.37 | Patlabor221 | why not -1 |
| 17:46.40 | Patlabor221 | or is it signed? |
| 17:46.49 | larsl_56k | Maybe not. |
| 17:48.56 | larsl_56k | It's unsigned, uint8_t. |
| 17:48.59 | larsl_56k | So no -1. |
| 17:49.52 | JBDiGriz | So make it 65535. |
| 17:50.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:50.16 | larsl_56k | [Chestal->] yes / bryjen2: dropped Shock Wave flag / bryjen2: grabbed High Speed flag |
| 17:50.16 | larsl_56k | [Chestal->] warning |
| 17:50.16 | larsl_56k | Heard it again. |
| 17:50.16 | larsl_56k | [bryjen2->] ches? / [Chestal->] I think I know why / [Chestal->] at least 50% |
| 17:50.19 | Patlabor221 | or use 0 |
| 17:50.23 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' relay matter |
| 17:50.25 | larsl_56k | Sorry about stealing your messages. =) |
| 17:50.25 | Patlabor221 | just doc it |
| 17:51.39 | larsl_56k | Or 255, since it's 8 bits. |
| 17:52.08 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't realy matter :) |
| 17:52.21 | larsl_56k | 255 for 'all', 251 - 254 for 'teams'. |
| 17:52.23 | larsl_56k | Or something. |
| 17:52.41 | Patlabor221 | hmm only 254 players, that's going to impact my evertank mod |
| 18:02.31 | larsl_56k | Messages broken again... |
| 18:03.25 | Chestal | several bugs in there |
| 18:03.38 | Chestal | we need to define player ids for team/server/all I guess |
| 18:03.42 | Chestal | and use those in msgmessage |
| 18:03.50 | Chestal | somethign with the flags is also strange |
| 18:04.08 | Chestal | whenever someone picks up one of the highspeed flags on my server, the rabbit gets a capture the flag warning sound |
| 18:05.26 | larsl_56k | The HS type has probably the same ID as the team flag for the rabbits would have. |
| 18:08.38 | Chestal | ah,good idea |
| 18:08.40 | larsl_56k | I don't see a rabbit in my client. |
| 18:08.51 | larsl_56k | Although bryjen says he's the rabbit. |
| 18:09.02 | Patlabor221 | how old is your client? |
| 18:09.21 | larsl_56k | About 15 minutes. |
| 18:09.24 | Patlabor221 | I changed king to rabbit and one of the message IDs changed |
| 18:09.29 | bryjen | i'm rabbit and dead with lars alive ! |
| 18:09.31 | Patlabor221 | ohh then you should be rabbit enabled |
| 18:10.06 | larsl_56k | We're leaking rabbits. |
| 18:10.14 | Patlabor221 | ewwwww |
| 18:10.21 | Patlabor221 | do we need to call hasmat? |
| 18:10.33 | larsl_56k | I won't get a rabbit in my client even if I kill bryjen. |
| 18:10.44 | larsl_56k | Or myself. |
| 18:10.49 | Chestal | I'll add a curent bugs section to the TODO file in CVS |
| 18:11.06 | Chestal | think this is good to communicate bugs which have been introduced by new code |
| 18:11.12 | bryjen | somebody else join to give us a player 0 again |
| 18:12.33 | CIA | commit by chestal: add 'current bugs' section to TODO, add some bugs |
| 18:13.04 | stibnite | oh my |
| 18:13.06 | stibnite | so many goodies |
| 18:13.11 | stibnite | mrtg |
| 18:13.13 | stibnite | i love it |
| 18:13.18 | Chestal | my X server has crashed |
| 18:13.31 | stibnite | I feel like i'm 5 again, on christmas day |
| 18:13.54 | larsl_56k | it seems as if several clients can believe that they're the rabbit at the same time. |
| 18:15.29 | Chestal | hmm, really? shouldn't happen |
| 18:15.36 | Chestal | do you when when it happens? |
| 18:15.56 | Chestal | mayeb we should add slot id to the scoreboard |
| 18:16.03 | Chestal | so we can see, if player lists are always in synch |
| 18:16.41 | larsl_56k | I rejoined, and then I was the rabbit, but bryjen was rabbit too (in his client). |
| 18:19.37 | Chestal | hmm, you should only get rabbit on joining when there is no rabbit in the game |
| 18:20.40 | larsl_56k | Sometimes when I'm rabbit and rejoin I stay rabbit in my client, and bryjen's client get no rabbit. |
| 18:22.28 | larsl_56k | Same problem when he's rabbit and rejoins. |
| 18:22.54 | bryjen | larsl_56k: are you it ? |
| 18:22.59 | larsl_56k | yes. |
| 18:23.05 | bryjen | hold on |
| 18:23.25 | larsl_56k | You now? |
| 18:23.44 | bryjen | yes. you were above 0 score. i wasnt a while ago |
| 18:24.07 | larsl_56k | It doesn't seem to like too fast rejoins. |
| 18:24.42 | bryjen | larsl_56k: what now? |
| 18:24.46 | larsl_56k | Ick, now I'm not the rabbit. |
| 18:24.50 | larsl_56k | Although I'm alone. |
| 18:24.56 | bryjen | your negative score |
| 18:25.02 | larsl_56k | Aah. |
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| 18:25.11 | larsl_56k | No rabbit? |
| 18:25.52 | JBDiGriz | You can be rabbit with a negative score, it should still pick the highest. |
| 18:27.40 | larsl_56k | Now I became rabbit, with negative score. |
| 18:31.34 | bryjen | larsl_56k: lunchtime for me. be back later |
| 18:31.40 | larsl_56k | OK. |
| 18:31.57 | larsl_56k | It's not only when the rabbit rejoins, I lost the rabbit on my client in the middle of the game (when we both died). |
| 18:33.09 | CIA | commit by chestal: typo |
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| 18:34.49 | CIA | commit by chestal: when all players are dead, choose player with hghest ratio as rabbit, even if he was the former rabbit |
| 18:34.58 | Chestal | ok, have to go now, later |
| 18:35.00 | larsl_56k | Aah, that was the bug? |
| 18:36.02 | Chestal | no,I don't think so |
| 18:36.08 | Chestal | actualy, I think my comment is wrong |
| 18:36.17 | Chestal | jsut removed a useless piece of code |
| 18:38.26 | Chestal | mor changes to bzfs, guess I"ll ontroduce more bugs :-) |
| 18:42.09 | CIA | commit by chestal: almost always use curMaxPlayers instead of maxPlayers |
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| 18:50.07 | larsl_56k | I think I fixed the High Speed alert bug. |
| 18:52.51 | CIA | commit by larsl: Rabbits will no longer hear the team flag alert when someone grabs a V flag |
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| 19:06.43 | bryjen | $ make more |
| 19:11.11 | bryjen | shouldn't ratio in NewRabbit() be NetWins _divided by_ TotalWins ? |
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| 19:12.00 | bryjen | or Wins _divided by_ Losses |
| 19:12.35 | larsl_56k | I don't know. |
| 19:12.43 | larsl_56k | What is it now? |
| 19:13.23 | larsl_56k | New bzadmin for 1.9-servers in the patch tracker. |
| 19:15.18 | bryjen | (player[i].wins - player[i].losses) * player[i].wins |
| 19:15.53 | bryjen | ( NetWins ) _multiplied by_ TotalWins |
| 19:15.53 | larsl_56k | NetWins * TotalWins ? |
| 19:16.22 | bryjen | it was (player[i].wins - player[i].losses) * ( player[i].wins / 10.0f ) at one point |
| 19:16.34 | larsl_56k | That means that someone who plays for a long time and stays barely above 0 score will be rabbit all the time. |
| 19:16.36 | larsl_56k | Almost. |
| 19:17.19 | bryjen | Hmmm |
| 19:17.43 | bryjen | If they Net to 0 or less, there "ratio" is 0 or less |
| 19:19.17 | CIA | larsl changed Patches 745567 (bzadmin: Curses-based text client): |
| 19:23.54 | larsl_56k | It seems weird to make it proportional to the number of wins. |
| 19:24.09 | larsl_56k | That will only benefit people who has been on for a long time. |
| 19:24.47 | larsl_56k | wins/losses would make more sense, as you say... |
| 19:25.50 | bryjen | an actually be a ratio instead of a product ;) |
| 19:25.58 | larsl_56k | Yeah. |
| 19:27.26 | larsl_56k | I don't really want to change it though, I don't know how the authors meant it to be. |
| 19:28.23 | bryjen | Who started this mess anyways ;) ? |
| 19:28.53 | larsl_56k | Captain proton merged it into CVS, I don't know who actually wrote it. |
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| 19:29.59 | larsl_56k | dbrosius |
| 19:30.04 | larsl_56k | wrote the patch. =) |
| 19:30.24 | BZSpiff | Maaan. Have any of your seen asdf? |
| 19:30.38 | larsl_56k | He says that the formula (wins - losses) * wins/10 is used in the patch description. |
| 19:30.47 | larsl_56k | So I suppose that's what he meant. =P |
| 19:30.50 | larsl_56k | asdf? |
| 19:31.39 | BZSpiff | asdf..... a guy on my CTF team. :) |
| 19:32.52 | bryjen | dbrosius = MrApathyCream |
| 19:33.03 | larsl_56k | Ah. |
| 19:33.10 | [dmp] | BZSpiff: i dont think that he uses irc |
| 19:33.27 | BZSpiff | Oh? I thought I saw him here once..... but I guess not. :) |
| 19:33.43 | learnerAtWork | I've yet to see him in here ever spiff |
| 19:33.56 | bryjen | ibot: seen asdf |
| 19:33.59 | | asdf <~ccarroll@39.233.95.24.cfl.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 28d 18h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'what is that saying all about anyhow?'. |
| 19:34.13 | learnerAtWork | heh |
| 19:34.17 | BZSpiff | He's not on AIM at the moment.. but should be soon. He's on EST, so he should be home soon. |
| 19:34.20 | BZSpiff | Told ya he'd been here. ;) |
| 19:34.27 | BZSpiff | It's just been ages. :) |
| 19:34.30 | bryjen | almost a month ago |
| 19:34.31 | learnerAtWork | that's a month ago.. :P |
| 19:34.47 | learnerAtWork | I started in here 2-3 weeks ago.. so there! |
| 19:34.49 | BZSpiff | Well... he used to stay on here some... back when I was first playing BZ. :) |
| 19:35.08 | BZSpiff | Sorta like one long sleep-over, huh? :P |
| 19:38.23 | larsl_56k | Hehe, we're still ahead of Abiword in the CIA stats. =) |
| 19:39.17 | learnerAtWork | larsl_56k: where are those stats |
| 19:39.28 | larsl_56k | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/cia_stats.cgi |
| 19:39.53 | larsl_56k | We're behind KDE, GNOME, Linux and GCC though. =) |
| 19:39.54 | learnerAtWork | asdf did mention interest in getting into the development, so maybe he'll start showing his letters around here again |
| 19:40.20 | BZSpiff | Sounds cool learner. :) |
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| 19:46.42 | learnerAtWork | 14th place.. not bad -- could be better |
| 19:46.58 | learnerAtWork | could also just be commit style |
| 19:47.32 | larsl_56k | Probably. |
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| 19:47.52 | bryjen | Eep. KDE with 143 commits _today_ |
| 19:47.53 | learnerAtWork | some groups are encouraged to only commit files at a time |
| 19:48.02 | learnerAtWork | single files, that is |
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| 19:49.25 | learnerAtWork | where the heck is top on a solaris box! jeesh |
| 19:49.51 | bryjen | Wha? |
| 19:50.09 | bryjen | Oh. Not /usr/bin/top ? |
| 19:50.17 | learnerAtWork | nvr mind, found a custom-compiled version.. |
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| 19:50.22 | learnerAtWork | no, it wasn't there |
| 19:50.31 | JBDiGriz | top is a process monitoring program which isn't usually included with Unix(tm) |
| 19:51.44 | learnerAtWork | problem was, I new this box had top .. somewhere .. grr. solaris always causes me headaches |
| 19:52.25 | larsl_56k | ~koth |
| 19:52.26 | | i guess koth is King of the Hill |
| 19:52.26 | Noodlebot | koth is now rabbit chase |
| 19:52.26 | learnerAtWork | of the 6 or so different systems I work with, it is the *one* I can almost be sure will not work |
| 19:52.40 | larsl_56k | ibot, forget koth |
| 19:52.40 | | i forgot koth, larsl_56k |
| 19:52.45 | Chestal | learner: /opt/bin? /usr/local/bin/? /usr/ucb? |
| 19:53.13 | larsl_56k | ibot, koth is King of the Hill, now known as rabbit hunting. |
| 19:53.13 | | larsl_56k: okay |
| 19:53.15 | learnerAtWork | negative, Ches.. checked those |
| 19:53.17 | JBDiGriz | Solaris is a marketing response to AT&T. It's roughly based on System V, which was a bad implementation at the time |
| 19:53.32 | learnerAtWork | I found it hidden elsewhere, though |
| 19:53.42 | learnerAtWork | quite, JB |
| 19:54.03 | JBDiGriz | There's a package available which installs top and a bunch of other utilities in /opt. I always created my own and put it into /usr/local/bin |
| 19:54.41 | JBDiGriz | I don't recall that Solaris had /usr/ucb, wasn't that only up to SunOS 4? |
| 19:54.47 | learnerAtWork | not my system to admin, fortunately/unfortunately |
| 19:55.57 | learnerAtWork | at least not this week.. |
| 19:56.02 | larsl_56k | Our school computers has ucb stuff, they're Solaris 8 or something like that. |
| 19:56.56 | JBDiGriz | Did they still create the separate /usr/ucb directory for installation? I thought they had pushed all of that to /opt. |
| 19:57.17 | larsl_56k | Umm... |
| 19:57.23 | learnerAtWork | my install has a real /usr/ucb |
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| 20:00.11 | larsl_56k | It has /usr/ucb. uname -sr says SunOS 5.8, although it says Solaris when I log in. |
| 20:00.52 | JBDiGriz | SunOS 5 was the first Solaris which was System V-like. SunOS 4 was based on BSD. |
| 20:02.03 | [dmp] | where in the source, is public messages send to other players (from the client) ? |
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| 20:05.35 | learnerAtWork | is Carnage getting kicked or having connection problems? |
| 20:05.43 | larsl_56k | [dmp]: Somewhere in playing.cxx. |
| 20:07.21 | larsl_56k | Although the actual code for sending it is in ServerLink.cxx. |
| 20:07.53 | [dmp] | ah |
| 20:07.59 | larsl_56k | And in libNet.a. |
| 20:08.03 | larsl_56k | All over the place. =) |
| 20:08.31 | larsl_56k | playing.cxx could use some refactoring. |
| 20:08.40 | BZSpiff | Hey dmp.... root wants to know if you will play (if asdf shows)..? |
| 20:09.55 | [dmp] | BZSpiff: sure |
| 20:10.14 | BZSpiff | Okies. :-) asdf should be home within the hour... at least I hope he is. |
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| 20:12.34 | larsl_56k | If he's on EST it's 22:11 where he lives. |
| 20:12.55 | bryjen | US EST |
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| 20:13.17 | larsl_56k | I thought "European Standard Time". |
| 20:13.19 | larsl_56k | No such thing. |
| 20:13.24 | bryjen | or EDT this time of year |
| 20:14.43 | larsl_56k | I need food. |
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| 20:15.57 | Legolas | hi |
| 20:16.15 | [dmp] | hi Legolas |
| 20:16.23 | Legolas | I just got it installed |
| 20:16.30 | Legolas | thanx to carnage |
| 20:18.37 | learnerAtWork | hi, legs |
| 20:18.44 | Legolas | hey learner! |
| 20:18.50 | Legolas | sup? |
| 20:21.53 | Carnage | any teams want a match later on today? |
| 20:22.43 | learnerAtWork | I'd love to later tonight, but I have no clue when I'll get home or where my teamies are |
| 20:22.55 | Carnage | oh |
| 20:23.07 | learnerAtWork | ~d |
| 20:23.08 | Carnage | free or crash will be on later |
| 20:23.26 | learnerAtWork | whadayaknow.. there's one of them, thx Legs |
| 20:24.22 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-202-1-3-153.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:24.37 | learnerAtWork | mmu_man... |
| 20:24.48 | mmu_man | plop |
| 20:24.49 | learnerAtWork | what do you know about BeOX Max Release? |
| 20:24.55 | *** part/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@198-79-108-235.hi.net) |
| 20:25.19 | mmu_man | it's based on the "Dev Edition" |
| 20:25.32 | mmu_man | which itself is R5.0.3 + a lot of stuff from bebits |
| 20:26.20 | learnerAtWork | what about hardware-wise -- did they get it to go back and support older (486) hardware? |
| 20:27.04 | BZSpiff | ibot: seen Dervish |
| 20:27.05 | | dervish <~icechat@adsl-64-172-15-14.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 155d 12h 38m 22s ago, saying: 'well, no one else actively checking their irc client... I'll make a post about it. Thanks for responding :)'. |
| 20:27.15 | learnerAtWork | or is it just new drivers and whatnot for the newer systems |
| 20:27.24 | BZSpiff | Yikes...... he hasn't been on for a LONG time. |
| 20:28.30 | Carnage | spiff both david and sussi are on |
| 20:28.47 | BZSpiff | Yes.... and no asdf. |
| 20:28.52 | Carnage | to bad |
| 20:29.01 | Carnage | i havent a teammie eighter |
| 20:29.03 | BZSpiff | Yeah.. I know. We could have three matches right now. |
| 20:29.15 | Carnage | wish BB was on |
| 20:32.12 | [dmp] | is there any way to pipe output from prog1 to prog2 and output from prog2 to prog1 ? |
| 20:32.51 | JBDiGriz | [dmp]: Programmatically, or from the shell? |
| 20:33.05 | [dmp] | shell, if it can be done |
| 20:33.25 | JBDiGriz | There isn't a syntax designed for that from the shell. |
| 20:33.29 | bryjen | make some fifos ? |
| 20:33.40 | learnerAtWork | programmatically isn't hard, shell is.. |
| 20:33.48 | [dmp] | i did "tail -f prog2.out | prog1 | prog2 >>prog2.log" |
| 20:33.55 | [dmp] | but it dosnt work |
| 20:34.11 | learnerAtWork | hehe, not bad, dmp |
| 20:34.18 | learnerAtWork | did prog2.out exist? |
| 20:34.23 | [dmp] | yep |
| 20:34.33 | [dmp] | it worked when it starts, but not afterwards |
| 20:34.48 | bryjen | mkfifo 1to2 2to1 ; prog1 < 2to1 > 1to2 & prog2 < 1to2 >2to1 ? |
| 20:35.04 | learnerAtWork | might want to take a look at "tee" too -- it will split a pipe |
| 20:35.46 | bryjen | I'm just guessing. Never tried anything like that. |
| 20:36.33 | Chestal | depending on the kind of synchronization you migh thave to make sure those programs flush their output early enough |
| 20:36.47 | Chestal | otherwise, block buffering might stall them both |
| 20:37.16 | learnerAtWork | and that they don't terminal their output, send EOF, etc |
| 20:39.21 | bryjen | mknod makes device specials, right? I've got a mkfifo command here. |
| 20:39.27 | [dmp] | me too. |
| 20:39.51 | [dmp] | im not very familiar with mknod.. didnt know a mkfifo existed. (it does.. seems to work nicely) |
| 20:39.53 | JBDiGriz | mkfifo came from 4.4BSD, and I've never used it, but it looks as though it should work. |
| 20:41.02 | learnerAtWork | I assumed you wanted a non-sysadmin-needed answer, dmp.. :) |
| 20:41.27 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 20:41.34 | [dmp] | this is ONE huge hack anyway :) |
| 20:41.56 | bryjen | you don't have to be root to mkfifo |
| 20:42.08 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: mkfifo only requires write permission in the parent directory. |
| 20:42.11 | learnerAtWork | I cannot imaging why on earth you would *need* to be neeeding that.. |
| 20:42.35 | Chestal | I needed it once, too. Long time ago |
| 20:42.51 | bryjen | His programs are lonely and want to talk to each other ;) |
| 20:42.59 | JBDiGriz | Just reading the man page :) |
| 20:43.16 | JBDiGriz | Chestal: You're UTC+2, right? |
| 20:43.24 | [dmp] | bryjen: mkfifo dont complain whem im non-root |
| 20:43.40 | bryjen | yup |
| 20:44.13 | [dmp] | learnerAtWork: Okey.. Hack is: bzflag output to perlscript. perlscript makes stats and feeds it back to my bzflag client.. which sends is a public message. |
| 20:44.25 | [dmp] | I know this isnt the way to do it, but i just wanna try :) |
| 20:44.30 | learnerAtWork | omg! |
| 20:44.46 | [dmp] | auch :) |
| 20:44.49 | Chestal | JB: right now, yes |
| 20:44.51 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 20:45.15 | bryjen | bz doesn't take input..... |
| 20:45.21 | [dmp] | mine does :) |
| 20:47.44 | bryjen | One of these days someone will make a library out of the network stuff and people will stop twisting the GUI client to do these things |
| 20:49.45 | *** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 20:49.52 | BZSpiff | dmp.... I got asdf. :) |
| 20:49.55 | BZSpiff | Shall we match? |
| 20:49.59 | [dmp] | sure |
| 20:50.06 | BZSpiff | Okies..... what server do you prefer? |
| 20:50.17 | [dmp] | ducati:59999 |
| 20:50.18 | JBDiGriz | As the conversation turns: that's why I was asking Chestal about time, we're trying to organize a meeting to discuss the network code, and he's one of the time extremes. I'm the other. |
| 20:50.40 | BZSpiff | Okay. I think asdf is cool with that..... I'll ask him. |
| 20:51.15 | learnerAtWork | yes.. getting west coast and germany talking will be a neat trick! |
| 20:51.36 | Chestal | extreme? me? never :-) |
| 20:51.55 | JBDiGriz | It looks like 1900UTC will be the best compromise. |
| 20:52.02 | *** join/#bzflag larsl_56k (~larsl@md4690649.utfors.se) |
| 20:52.19 | *** part/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 20:52.43 | sussudio | tee - read from standard input and write to standard output and files |
| 20:52.54 | learnerAtWork | ugh.. now just if I could remember my UTC offset.. |
| 20:53.07 | JBDiGriz | learnerAtWork: -4 |
| 20:53.28 | learnerAtWork | ah, yes.. |
| 20:54.08 | *** join/#bzflag niksie (~nkist@3eea1525.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 20:54.12 | niksie | Greetings |
| 20:54.36 | learnerAtWork | what's the difference between Atlantic standard and Eastern standard (one is UTC+4 other is UTC+5) |
| 20:55.39 | sussudio | 1? |
| 20:55.44 | learnerAtWork | ha ha |
| 20:55.51 | Patlabor221 | an houre |
| 20:56.02 | niksie | would it be cheating if I slightly tweak some stuff like the size of flags? |
| 20:56.13 | niksie | err size of flags with sides in CTF |
| 20:56.15 | niksie | on the radar |
| 20:56.20 | sussudio | there's a timezone to the right of EST with newfoundland and stuff. |
| 20:56.22 | niksie | I have difficulty seeing the flags |
| 20:57.00 | bryjen | EST=UTC-5 / EDT=UTC-4 Standard / Daylight |
| 20:57.26 | sussudio | so set bzflag to a lower resolution |
| 20:57.45 | niksie | that wouldn't teach me anything about programming :) |
| 20:58.06 | learnerAtWork | ah, so I may be an hour late to this meeting, is what you're telling me .. :) |
| 20:58.50 | niksie | stupid sourceforge anoncvs |
| 20:59.30 | sussudio | EST is not the timezone closest to GMT in the US..... |
| 20:59.45 | niksie | oh, and does the CVS protocol differ from the ltest releasedd version? |
| 20:59.50 | bryjen | learnerAtWork lingers in the darkness too long and is eaten by a grue. |
| 21:00.14 | sussudio | you are in a twisty maze with tunnels all alike. filled with starbucks shops. |
| 21:00.37 | bzdoug | ulch, that meat was tainted. You feel faint. |
| 21:00.40 | learnerAtWork | lol, bryjen -- haven't heard that in a while! |
| 21:00.41 | bryjen | niksie: cvs HEAD is version 1.9, yes its protocol is different from latest released 1.7g2 |
| 21:01.56 | bryjen | not that I played the game. head about it here : http://www.userfriendly.org |
| 21:01.59 | niksie | ok, are there many servers for 1.9? |
| 21:02.10 | bryjen | niksie: just a few for testing |
| 21:02.52 | bryjen | is there an ibot command to list BZ servers? |
| 21:03.24 | niksie | ok |
| 21:03.36 | bryjen | Patlabor221: ? |
| 21:03.44 | niksie | so no quallity games with CVS? |
| 21:04.07 | bryjen | for normal play, just download 1.7g2 |
| 21:04.41 | niksie | ok |
| 21:05.11 | bzgirl | hes in a meeting |
| 21:05.19 | bryjen | asleep then ;) |
| 21:05.22 | bzgirl | they have ice cream at the meeting |
| 21:05.25 | bzgirl | :) |
| 21:05.32 | bryjen | Ah |
| 21:06.39 | niksie | weird, in the download dir, bzflag-1.7g2.tar.gz and bzflag-1.7g2.tgz being different sizes |
| 21:09.24 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-175-199.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:10.45 | sussudio | ~bzflist |
| 21:11.44 | bryjen | those would be the v1.7 servers. |
| 21:12.00 | bryjen | I'd imagine nobody's added a switch for v1.9 yet |
| 21:13.29 | niksie | any cool new features? |
| 21:13.45 | bzdoug | ~bzflist |
| 21:14.12 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 21:14.24 | bzdoug | hey david_v |
| 21:14.26 | david_v | bzgirl: are you there? we have problems with your server at 59999 |
| 21:14.32 | david_v | hi doug |
| 21:15.07 | bryjen | niksie: so far mostly cleaning things up to make it easier to add stuff in the future |
| 21:15.16 | niksie | ok |
| 21:15.30 | niksie | I will limit my hacking to 1.7g2 then |
| 21:17.39 | bzgirl | david_v: i dont kbow whats going on |
| 21:18.06 | bzgirl | david_v: people seem to log off as soon as i join |
| 21:18.20 | bzgirl | david_v: people seem to log off as soon as THEY join |
| 21:18.25 | david_v | bzgirl: they don't log off as you join, but oman and sussi get kicked as soon as they join |
| 21:18.29 | david_v | yeah |
| 21:18.37 | bzdoug | The perfect server... |
| 21:18.41 | bzgirl | david_v: are you there now? |
| 21:18.46 | david_v | but it sure seems weird, they shouldn't be able to join at all? |
| 21:18.47 | bryjen | bzfquery bzgirl.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 21:18.57 | bzdoug | er *cough* is that bad? :) |
| 21:19.05 | bzgirl | david_v: im going to restart the server maybe, it was oding this last night also |
| 21:19.08 | david_v | yes i'm there, and samurai... i even rejoined fine |
| 21:19.14 | david_v | ok bzgirl |
| 21:19.17 | sussudio | Server version: 'BZFS107e' |
| 21:19.17 | sussudio | Using server as relay |
| 21:19.17 | sussudio | Communication error joining game |
| 21:19.26 | bzdoug | server as relay? |
| 21:19.40 | david_v | bzgirl: maybe it's limiting the number of people to 2? |
| 21:19.48 | bzgirl | david_v: no |
| 21:19.52 | david_v | bzgirl: just saw another guy who got kicked |
| 21:20.07 | david_v | bzgirl: i'm not asking for what it's *supposed* to do, but what it does :) |
| 21:20.11 | bzgirl | david_v: can you tell them i will restart it |
| 21:20.15 | david_v | i have |
| 21:20.24 | bryjen | if there was a player limit, i don't think you'd see them join |
| 21:20.31 | david_v | not sure about oman and sussi though, not sure where they are |
| 21:20.38 | bryjen | msgmsgmsgmsgmsg |
| 21:20.50 | david_v | bryjen: in normal cases no, but this isn't normal anyway |
| 21:22.57 | bryjen | Chestal: lemme guess, playerId in MsgMessage is unsigned too, so using -1 to mean everybody won't work |
| 21:23.32 | bzdoug | hah, no wonder this mac doesnt work, the apps folder is, um, missing |
| 21:24.18 | bryjen | Chestal: Maybe ( MaxPlayers + 1 ) = to everybody ? |
| 21:25.04 | bzgirl | bzfquery bzgirl.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 21:25.06 | bryjen | I was going to suggest that for rabbitIndex this morning |
| 21:25.07 | Patlabor221 | I was in a meeting |
| 21:25.10 | Patlabor221 | with icecream |
| 21:25.12 | Patlabor221 | it was good |
| 21:25.20 | david_v | bzgirl: if you would happen to see sussi, call him please |
| 21:25.27 | bzgirl | ok |
| 21:25.36 | Patlabor221 | brygen what is up? |
| 21:25.46 | bryjen | Patlabor221: If you didn't bring enough to share, don't brag about it ;P |
| 21:26.02 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: hmm, meetings with ice cream... |
| 21:26.02 | bryjen | Patlabor221: just a silly ibot question |
| 21:26.04 | Patlabor221 | actualy there is some still in there, you didn't show up |
| 21:26.08 | Patlabor221 | we waited |
| 21:26.19 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 21:26.25 | bryjen | Sha, I'm sure you did. |
| 21:26.54 | Patlabor221 | hey we have to start whent he bossman says to start |
| 21:26.55 | bryjen | It'd have to be damn good ice cream to drag me out there from here |
| 21:27.15 | Patlabor221 | it was 'ok' |
| 21:27.38 | learnerAtWork | time to watch office space and fight club.. :) |
| 21:27.57 | bzgirl | is Office Space good? |
| 21:28.03 | Patlabor221 | yes very |
| 21:28.18 | bzdoug | there are some people who shouldnt be allowed to use macs |
| 21:29.10 | learnerAtWork | office space is great -- if you work in an office :) |
| 21:29.40 | bzdoug | get photos |
| 21:29.51 | Patlabor221 | thy took my swingline |
| 21:29.56 | learnerAtWork | hehehe |
| 21:30.08 | bzdoug | :) |
| 21:30.12 | learnerAtWork | my coworkers are screaming.. gotta run! |
| 21:30.13 | Patlabor221 | we hired that exact guy here |
| 21:30.16 | Patlabor221 | he's scarry |
| 21:30.18 | learnerAtWork | we have one too |
| 21:30.21 | learnerAtWork | :) |
| 21:30.23 | learnerAtWork | cay |
| 21:30.29 | Patlabor221 | cya |
| 21:30.31 | bzdoug | screaming? |
| 21:30.57 | bzdoug | today I unplugged a runner domain server :) |
| 21:31.40 | bzdoug | ooh, backup tapes :P |
| 21:33.54 | niksie | where can I get bzedit? should I get it from CVS? |
| 21:34.04 | bzdoug | ~bzedit |
| 21:34.05 | | i heard bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 21:34.23 | niksie | thank you |
| 21:35.16 | Patlabor221 | I am just thinking about puting win bzedit in SF cvs |
| 21:36.11 | bzdoug | hah, good luck |
| 21:36.21 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:36.28 | Patlabor221 | why do you say that? |
| 21:36.52 | bzdoug | sf is buggy :) |
| 21:37.01 | Patlabor221 | no, anon CVS is buggy |
| 21:37.05 | Patlabor221 | ssh is working fine :) |
| 21:37.12 | bzdoug | ah |
| 21:39.54 | bzdoug | hows the tapes? :) |
| 21:40.03 | bryjen | Black. |
| 21:40.49 | sussudio | can anyone vouch for carnage's trustworthyness? |
| 21:40.55 | niksie | wow |
| 21:42.52 | bzgirl | sussudio: cheating? |
| 21:43.17 | niksie | cheating is too easy |
| 21:43.23 | bzgirl | sussudio: i guess anyone can cheat |
| 21:43.46 | niksie | is the CVS protocol more secure? |
| 21:43.59 | Patlabor221 | I can say that he has the exact same IP range as another person who cheated |
| 21:44.29 | bzgirl | oh i know for certian he's cheated before |
| 21:44.35 | bzgirl | using LTD |
| 21:44.41 | niksie | LTD? |
| 21:44.48 | Patlabor221 | the name LTD |
| 21:44.52 | bzgirl | LT.D |
| 21:45.00 | Patlabor221 | he's also use All Capone and some others. |
| 21:45.01 | Chestal | haven't seen him doing anything nasty lately |
| 21:45.05 | Patlabor221 | he cheated in leauge games. |
| 21:45.12 | bryjen | niksie: one of the planned improvements for 1.9 is to have the server track game state |
| 21:45.37 | sussudio | bzgirl: i have reasons to think carnage is not using a standard client. |
| 21:45.38 | niksie | like not having the client know which flags are which? |
| 21:45.43 | Patlabor221 | 1.7g2 tracks some of the state now to implement some cheat protection. |
| 21:45.43 | bzgirl | Chestal: no not lately and id talked to him about trying to actually learn to play without cheating |
| 21:46.14 | bryjen | "cheated in leauge games" < now that takes brains. |
| 21:46.30 | sussudio | i was just on ducati and i saw his client do thing that weren't kosher. and he's using e6. who still uses e6? |
| 21:46.54 | sussudio | i confronted him with it and he said "i like e6 better". |
| 21:46.55 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-175-199.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 21:46.59 | sussudio | there he is. |
| 21:47.01 | bzgirl | yeah, i have asked him several times why e6, he said hes used to it |
| 21:47.14 | sussudio | nobody likes e6. |
| 21:47.23 | bryjen | o32 mips2 on SF is only up to e6 |
| 21:47.26 | niksie | maybe his modifications don't patch cleanly to current? |
| 21:47.47 | Patlabor221 | he Is NOT a programer |
| 21:47.57 | Patlabor221 | he gets cheats from others |
| 21:47.58 | sussudio | o32? |
| 21:48.05 | Patlabor221 | he asked me to make some for him. |
| 21:48.05 | niksie | thats lame |
| 21:48.06 | bzgirl | Carnage: do you still use e6 client? |
| 21:48.17 | niksie | if you are going to cheat you should at least implement your own cheats |
| 21:49.17 | bryjen | sussudio: I dont know. I assume its an architecture thing. there are two Irix packages |
| 21:49.34 | sussudio | does anyone actually use the mips version? |
| 21:50.12 | bryjen | the other one is up to current |
| 21:51.15 | bryjen | the PowerPC version also lags |
| 21:51.38 | sussudio | what's the diff between the ppc and osx version then |
| 21:51.55 | bryjen | oh well, our rs6000 doesn't have a video card anyways... |
| 21:52.33 | bryjen | ppc rpm... possibly for Linux on PPC |
| 21:52.45 | niksie | the macosx version doesn't lag... |
| 21:53.01 | Patlabor221 | snyke, can you please put your posts in the proper forums when you post them? |
| 21:53.03 | niksie | bryjen: I got a ppc running linux upstairs if you guys need a compiler.. |
| 21:53.38 | bryjen | I don't know why its that far behind. Probly nobody working on it. |
| 21:54.23 | bryjen | I Am Not A Programmer either. I just point at bugs. |
| 21:55.35 | snyke | Patlabor221: ? |
| 21:55.47 | Patlabor221 | on the BZBB |
| 21:55.55 | Patlabor221 | the hasmark thing goes in the servers forum |
| 21:56.01 | Patlabor221 | I moved them all to there proper place |
| 21:56.03 | snyke | what? |
| 21:56.17 | snyke | in which forum |
| 21:56.21 | snyke | what posts |
| 21:56.29 | Patlabor221 | do you post on the BZBB? |
| 21:56.50 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think somone has a name similar to yours sorry |
| 21:56.50 | snyke | no |
| 21:56.54 | Patlabor221 | they do snike |
| 21:56.56 | Patlabor221 | my bad |
| 21:57.02 | snyke | no problem |
| 21:57.09 | snyke | happens to the best ;) |
| 21:57.57 | Patlabor221 | lot of names on that board |
| 21:59.13 | bryjen | Hey Patlabor221 : you put one in Servers: General Discussion and one in Servers: Policing |
| 21:59.20 | Patlabor221 | oh I did |
| 21:59.26 | Patlabor221 | opps |
| 22:00.03 | bryjen | There both hashmark admin. Caps may differ. |
| 22:00.06 | Patlabor221 | there :) |
| 22:01.17 | sussudio | ok carnage quits without responding, i guess we have the answer. |
| 22:01.51 | bryjen | General Discussion is mostly just the list of servers TOS |
| 22:03.29 | bryjen | s/is mostly/is full of |
| 22:16.23 | niksie | heh |
| 22:16.38 | niksie | I made the GM flag a different colour |
| 22:17.39 | sussudio | on the map? |
| 22:17.48 | niksie | and on the main view |
| 22:17.52 | sussudio | cheater :-P |
| 22:17.55 | niksie | :) |
| 22:18.00 | niksie | just having fun hacking the source |
| 22:18.18 | sussudio | GM suxors |
| 22:18.38 | niksie | what do you use? |
| 22:18.56 | sussudio | SR is fun. |
| 22:19.03 | niksie | SR? |
| 22:19.06 | sussudio | especially when the people jump. |
| 22:19.09 | sussudio | steamroller |
| 22:19.16 | niksie | steamroller? |
| 22:19.17 | niksie | hmm |
| 22:19.50 | sussudio | V is good too |
| 22:19.53 | niksie | V? |
| 22:20.00 | sussudio | Velocity. |
| 22:20.00 | niksie | I don't know the acronyms :) |
| 22:21.03 | *** join/#bzflag larsl_56k (~larsl@md46908bf.utfors.se) |
| 22:21.20 | Patlabor221 | so what do you call your cheat? |
| 22:21.35 | niksie | my cheat? |
| 22:21.46 | Patlabor221 | the flag color thing |
| 22:21.48 | niksie | its just an implentation of the cheats listed on the wiki |
| 22:21.56 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 22:22.26 | niksie | I think I will add one for shockwave and then I will start looking for creative stuff :) |
| 22:22.28 | larsl_56k | Not the color-GMs-and-lasers-and-other-good-flags cheat? |
| 22:23.08 | Patlabor221 | why not use your powers for good? |
| 22:23.39 | larsl_56k | That has to be one of the simplest sneaky cheats ever. |
| 22:23.54 | JBDiGriz | The first way to defeat a cheat is to create the scenario where you can discover it. |
| 22:24.00 | niksie | sneaky? |
| 22:24.18 | niksie | I wonder how long I can use that cheat before people start noticing |
| 22:24.30 | larsl_56k | Next to impossible to motice. |
| 22:24.32 | Patlabor221 | the only way to get around the flag thing is not send the data |
| 22:24.35 | larsl_56k | Why would you want to do that? |
| 22:24.46 | niksie | social experiment :) |
| 22:25.07 | larsl_56k | Patlabor221: Yes, but the flags don't change type, so we would have to not send the flag IDs either. |
| 22:25.09 | niksie | Patlabor221: elaborate :) |
| 22:25.09 | Patlabor221 | in being an asshole? |
| 22:25.36 | Patlabor221 | larsl that's what I mean, don't send the flag IDs unless the client needs it. |
| 22:25.41 | larsl_56k | OK. |
| 22:25.45 | JBDiGriz | I've noticed people who are fairly prescient in their choices of flags. I've check /flaghistory on them. |
| 22:26.04 | larsl_56k | There are probably lots of people who are using some variant of that cheat. |
| 22:26.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:26.15 | larsl_56k | It requires next to 0 coding ability. |
| 22:26.20 | niksie | no, in testing the social control executed by several different server communities :) |
| 22:26.25 | niksie | larsl_56k: I managed to code it |
| 22:26.30 | niksie | negative coding abillity |
| 22:26.38 | Patlabor221 | so being an asshole. |
| 22:26.47 | JBDiGriz | The next step would be to follow the person around to see if they deliberately avoid certain flags. |
| 22:27.12 | larsl_56k | I think we really should do something about it in the 1.9a protocol. |
| 22:27.31 | Patlabor221 | like I say the only way is to only send the flag ID when they need it |
| 22:27.54 | Patlabor221 | been done before |
| 22:27.58 | niksie | how much bandwith does a bzflag server use? |
| 22:28.00 | larsl_56k | Yes, and only send a message saying "there's a flag over here" when a flag appears. |
| 22:28.01 | Patlabor221 | change your version number |
| 22:28.06 | JBDiGriz | HisBlindAmbition has put together a list of subtle cheats which should be looked at for 1.9 |
| 22:28.15 | JBDiGriz | Check Knightmare's server |
| 22:28.18 | niksie | I got the idea from that list |
| 22:28.23 | Patlabor221 | larsl yeah, have to take care of the people with ID tho, and send the flags only near them |
| 22:28.45 | Patlabor221 | if you do change your version number, and you have to release source for all your cheats |
| 22:29.00 | Patlabor221 | then at least the binarys can't be used on nomal servers |
| 22:29.15 | niksie | perhaps have the client send the ID of the nearest flag and have the server check it and then return the name of the flag? |
| 22:29.54 | Chestal | protocol breakign change coming your way |
| 22:29.55 | Patlabor221 | there have been a number of disctions on how do it it |
| 22:30.06 | Patlabor221 | I'll update windows |
| 22:30.09 | larsl_56k | ID messes it up a bit. |
| 22:30.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah but you can maybe get it close enough |
| 22:30.34 | Patlabor221 | or remove identify from the game |
| 22:30.40 | CIA | commit by chestal: introduce special player ids (no, all, team, server), use them for MsgMessage, get rid of team in MsgMessage |
| 22:30.45 | larsl_56k | Nice. |
| 22:31.00 | JBDiGriz | Is there a reason for the server to designate what the flags are before they are picked up? |
| 22:31.11 | niksie | for ID |
| 22:31.12 | Patlabor221 | IS |
| 22:31.14 | Patlabor221 | ID |
| 22:31.18 | Patlabor221 | that's it |
| 22:31.18 | larsl_56k | JBDiGriz: It always has the same number of flags of a certain type. |
| 22:31.33 | Chestal | someone get buidl the CVS client and join me on ducati please :-) |
| 22:32.04 | JBDiGriz | larsl_56k: exactly, if it had a list of flags that are in use, it could choose whatever it wants for the next flag at any time. |
| 22:32.33 | larsl_56k | JBDiGriz: Yes. We could have a pool of 'free flags' and pick a random one when someone grabs a flag. |
| 22:32.56 | JBDiGriz | Therefore, nobody knows what a flag is before it is grabbed. |
| 22:33.18 | Patlabor221 | but then ID breaks that |
| 22:33.50 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you sould schedule a meeting on that after the net proto meeting |
| 22:33.56 | larsl_56k | Chestal: No ducati in the list. |
| 22:33.59 | [dmp] | cvs -d .. checkout bzflag is enough? |
| 22:34.11 | larsl_56k | [dmp]: Yes. |
| 22:34.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah 1.9 has no tag, it's head |
| 22:34.17 | JBDiGriz | Or perhaps someone else could pick up the ball on defeating subtle cheats? |
| 22:34.19 | Chestal | larsl: not yet, I'm still compiling myself |
| 22:34.23 | larsl_56k | Ah. =) |
| 22:34.30 | niksie | ~cvs |
| 22:34.31 | | methinks cvs is Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
| 22:34.45 | niksie | sorry |
| 22:34.45 | Chestal | up now |
| 22:35.39 | Patlabor221 | windows client build is updated if anyone needs it |
| 22:42.18 | *** join/#bzflag BZSpiff (~BZSpiff@12-222-147-141.client.insightBB.com) |
| 22:42.26 | BZSpiff | Hey dmp. Are you here? :) |
| 22:44.03 | BZSpiff | Hmm..... well.. okies. Just wondering how I could get ahold of calico. :) C-yaz. |
| 22:46.45 | niksie | knightmare seems to be down |
| 22:48.45 | larsl_56k | rabbitIndex = NoPlayer; |
| 22:48.59 | larsl_56k | if (i != oldRabbit && player[i].state == PlayerAlive) { <set new rabbit> } |
| 22:49.15 | larsl_56k | So if everyone's dead, no new rabbit. |
| 22:49.18 | niksie | whats with the rabbit? |
| 22:49.24 | larsl_56k | It's dead. |
| 22:49.34 | niksie | let me rephrase that, what is a rabit? |
| 22:49.42 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, it shoudl then check for rabbits on the next respawn |
| 22:49.47 | CIA | commit by chestal: bug fixed with rabbit reassignment |
| 22:49.48 | JBDiGriz | The rabbit died, I didn't think anyone used that test anymore! |
| 22:50.03 | Patlabor221 | it's the rabbit in the rabbit chase game type |
| 22:50.11 | larsl_56k | Patlabor221: One of the clients got a rabbit, the one that died last. |
| 22:50.17 | larsl_56k | The other one got no rabbit. |
| 22:50.21 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:50.30 | Patlabor221 | what if it's 1 on 1 and both die? |
| 22:50.40 | larsl_56k | That's what me and Chestal did. |
| 22:51.01 | Patlabor221 | what's the fix? |
| 22:51.06 | Chestal | next try please |
| 22:51.49 | larsl_56k | There. |
| 22:58.00 | *** join/#bzflag ahdil (ahdil@c66.168.23.228.mad.wi.charter.com) |
| 23:01.27 | niksie | Chestal: comming in |
| 23:02.42 | Chestal | ok, that seems to work now, although internally some thigns are not handled quite correct |
| 23:03.47 | CIA | commit by chestal: remove a bug from TODO |
| 23:07.05 | CIA | commit by larsl: Removed one-byte player ID item from TODO |
| 23:08.11 | niksie | Chestal: rabbit mode |
| 23:08.33 | Chestal | niksie: uhm? |
| 23:09.20 | sussudio | duck mode! |
| 23:09.22 | Chestal | hmm, this automake stuff has auto-dependencies, doesn't it? |
| 23:09.26 | larsl_56k | Yes. |
| 23:09.33 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (~Joe@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 23:09.42 | niksie | I tried it, its looks like fun on a big server with 10 players :) |
| 23:09.57 | niksie | I'm still interested in rabid mode :) |
| 23:10.17 | CIA | commit by chestal: we have auto-dependencies already |
| 23:10.33 | Chestal | niksie: we just tested it with 1 on 1, doesn#t make sense then :-) |
| 23:10.45 | niksie | heh, yeah |
| 23:11.01 | Patlabor221 | we had what 6-7 the other nite? |
| 23:11.10 | niksie | the idea is that everybody goes chasing one person right? |
| 23:11.16 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: I added a reference to subtle cheats design to the wipi, and I made the network reorg its own project. Anyone who wants to adopt the subtle cheats project can add their name to it. |
| 23:11.19 | bzdoug | what happens if the king shoots himself? |
| 23:11.21 | niksie | and that the team protects a guy |
| 23:11.51 | Patlabor221 | he dies |
| 23:12.01 | bzdoug | does it switch to someone? |
| 23:12.10 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:12.12 | niksie | jbd? |
| 23:12.17 | Chestal | the protocol description in the wiki is more up to date than that in CVS, right? |
| 23:12.19 | Patlabor221 | since it is a death |
| 23:12.21 | niksie | I think I was playing him |
| 23:12.24 | Patlabor221 | jbd |
| 23:12.24 | Chestal | both are not accurate, though |
| 23:12.37 | CIA | commit by larsl: Removed single port item from TODO |
| 23:12.46 | niksie | thats me |
| 23:12.49 | niksie | :) |
| 23:12.58 | Chestal | bzd: whenever rabbit dies and there are players alive, it swtiches |
| 23:13.17 | niksie | I'm currently trying to make team flags bigger |
| 23:13.21 | niksie | on the radar |
| 23:13.21 | bzdoug | to a random player? |
| 23:13.29 | JBDiGriz | mayhem was updating the protocol description in the wiki. |
| 23:13.34 | niksie | JBDiGriz: where you looking for me? |
| 23:13.37 | larsl_56k | bzdoug: To the living player with the best 'score'. |
| 23:13.41 | bzdoug | ah, cool |
| 23:13.44 | niksie | JBDiGriz: and where you just kicking a rogues ass on ducati rabit? |
| 23:13.48 | larsl_56k | Where 'score' isn't really the score. |
| 23:13.48 | Chestal | bzdoug: no, it chooses the one with the highest 'ratio', where ratio is defined by a questionable formula |
| 23:14.11 | larsl_56k | Which isn't really a 'ratio'. =) |
| 23:14.11 | bzdoug | hah |
| 23:14.13 | JBDiGriz | niksie: I don't start playing until after 1700PDT |
| 23:14.41 | niksie | JBDiGriz: ok..must have been someone else with a 3 letter name, but why where you looking for me? :) |
| 23:14.59 | JBDiGriz | niksie: The "looking at" is more of a reference to finding volunteers to adopt projects in the work in progress page in the wiki |
| 23:15.28 | JBDiGriz | I adopted the wipi, and I'm encouraging people to help keep it updated. |
| 23:15.49 | Patlabor221 | wiki evil... wiki make me spell correctly. |
| 23:16.10 | JBDiGriz | I have also been pushing hard to get started on the network code reorganization, and the first meeting should be occurring in the next couple of weeks. |
| 23:16.30 | niksie | JBDiGriz: I can adopt that... |
| 23:16.39 | niksie | JBDiGriz: except I've never noticed anyone cheating :) |
| 23:16.48 | larsl_56k | JBDiGriz: Yes, I saw the message on BZBB a few hours ago. |
| 23:16.54 | JBDiGriz | Neither of these projects actually requires coding expertise, just a little bit of brazenness |
| 23:16.59 | Chestal | hmm, there's still a problem |
| 23:17.02 | niksie | brazeness? |
| 23:17.39 | JBDiGriz | Willingness to ask people to work without any promise of reward. |
| 23:17.52 | larsl_56k | Chestal: What problem? |
| 23:18.39 | Patlabor221 | most of those subtle cheats can't be taken care of with out a server state |
| 23:18.42 | niksie | JBDiGriz: I can work without reward, except that when I get bored of it I will drop it really quickly :) |
| 23:18.48 | JBDiGriz | niksie: Feel free to add your name to the wipi, after that it's up to you to make it happen. Everyone here is willing to assist in providing ideas |
| 23:18.53 | Patlabor221 | and I think a full server state is outside the range of a 1.9 release |
| 23:19.07 | niksie | JBDiGriz:make what happened exactly? |
| 23:19.14 | niksie | :) |
| 23:19.35 | JBDiGriz | niksie: If it's your project, you get to decide. That's the wonder of it all! |
| 23:19.41 | niksie | heh |
| 23:20.12 | niksie | I could write articles on how a beginning programmer modifies bzflag, but I don't think that would be appreciated by the mainstream bzflag players :) |
| 23:20.33 | Patlabor221 | in genreal it's bad form to encourage cheaters |
| 23:21.56 | niksie | yeah,hmm |
| 23:22.14 | Chestal | larsl: when I just joined the server, I was the first player, but wasn#t the rabbit |
| 23:22.19 | *** join/#bzflag Carnage (strayer@dyn216-8-173-73.ADSL.mnsi.net) |
| 23:22.22 | niksie | any developer: would me making a patch to make team flags bigger on the radar be considered a cheat or a feature? |
| 23:22.43 | Patlabor221 | that's more of a feature, since it's the same data that is allready there |
| 23:22.49 | larsl_56k | niksie: The team flags are coloured anyway, so I don't see how it would be cheating. |
| 23:24.12 | niksie | ok |
| 23:25.58 | larsl_56k | Has anyone hacked up a way for a registered server admin to get the IPs of the players (for the quick key admin stuff, and maybe bzadmin) ? |
| 23:27.23 | Chestal | don't think so |
| 23:27.36 | Chestal | only way would be to do a /playerlist in the background |
| 23:28.30 | larsl_56k | Or add two new messages to the protocol: MsgGetIP + a reply. |
| 23:29.34 | CIA | commit by chestal: complain about missing or wrong documentation |
| 23:38.37 | sussudio | larsl: playerlist |
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| 23:48.10 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:48.46 | niksie | Chestal: are you leaving? |
| 23:50.11 | larsl_56k | Good night. |
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