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| 00:19.07 | wallydog | hey, anyone know anything about stock |
| 00:19.09 | wallydog | s |
| 00:20.10 | fiberchunks_ | I reiterate the above question in my "new" form |
| 00:22.44 | breadhat | stocks like... |
| 00:23.19 | Patlabor221 | like billets of steel? |
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| 00:24.23 | Patlabor221 | how would I format a drive from the command propmt? |
| 00:26.00 | breadhat | mkfs? |
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| 00:29.01 | breadhat | ./sbin/mkfs.ext2 ./sbin/mkfs.ext3 etc |
| 00:29.25 | Patlabor221 | I need to remove all the partditions too |
| 00:29.33 | Patlabor221 | the installer will format |
| 00:29.43 | breadhat | fdisk |
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| 00:31.29 | Noodleman | we should have known, orrin hatch is a software pirate :-) |
| 00:31.54 | Noodleman | supposedly, some code in his website is unlicensed |
| 00:32.26 | breadhat | your just now getting around to reading slashdot? |
| 00:32.27 | breadhat | :) |
| 00:32.48 | Patlabor221 | some people have more to do durnign the day then read it doug :) |
| 00:35.49 | Patlabor221 | I did that years ago |
| 00:35.57 | breadhat | ur also years older |
| 00:36.06 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 00:36.41 | breadhat | btw what does it take to get your pilots licence? |
| 00:36.47 | Patlabor221 | school |
| 00:36.51 | Patlabor221 | and 40 hours |
| 00:36.52 | breadhat | how much? |
| 00:36.58 | Patlabor221 | its' tests realy |
| 00:37.01 | breadhat | ah |
| 00:37.07 | Patlabor221 | you have to pass the ground school exams |
| 00:37.14 | Patlabor221 | have 40 hours with an instructor |
| 00:37.20 | Patlabor221 | and pass a number of flight tests |
| 00:37.24 | Patlabor221 | and pass a medical |
| 00:37.31 | breadhat | wow, how much does it cost? |
| 00:37.41 | Patlabor221 | depends |
| 00:37.49 | Patlabor221 | the fees for the tests are minimal |
| 00:38.00 | Patlabor221 | but instructiors cost |
| 00:38.04 | Patlabor221 | plane time costs |
| 00:38.10 | breadhat | yea... |
| 00:38.14 | Patlabor221 | plane time is usualy 100 an hour |
| 00:38.24 | breadhat | yikes |
| 00:38.27 | Patlabor221 | and you fly more then 40 |
| 00:39.14 | breadhat | hm, interesting |
| 00:39.39 | Patlabor221 | and you have to be recertified every year |
| 00:39.57 | breadhat | ouch, does that cost each year? |
| 00:39.58 | Patlabor221 | since I don't have to pay for any of it. |
| 00:40.00 | Patlabor221 | just gass |
| 00:40.18 | breadhat | hah, cool :) |
| 00:40.27 | Patlabor221 | depends on how much the instructor charges you and how much it costs to rent the plane |
| 00:40.27 | breadhat | I thought you did have it though |
| 00:40.35 | Patlabor221 | its NOT like the dmv |
| 00:40.41 | Patlabor221 | no I have never got the license |
| 00:40.45 | Patlabor221 | I can fly a plane |
| 00:40.51 | Patlabor221 | have done so on many ocasions |
| 00:40.51 | breadhat | ah, I see ;) |
| 00:40.53 | Patlabor221 | just no lic |
| 00:41.21 | Patlabor221 | know an instructor who would do it for free too |
| 00:41.27 | breadhat | oh? |
| 00:41.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:41.48 | breadhat | in calif I bet though... |
| 00:42.04 | Patlabor221 | umm yeah |
| 00:42.50 | fiberchunks_ | mke2fs -j /dev/foo |
| 00:45.06 | Patlabor221 | its not that hard |
| 00:45.46 | breadhat | just costs alot |
| 00:46.02 | Patlabor221 | again depends what you have |
| 00:46.09 | Patlabor221 | I coudl get mine for probably under 200 |
| 00:46.19 | breadhat | wow |
| 00:46.36 | Patlabor221 | cus it's just gas and the test stuff |
| 00:47.09 | Patlabor221 | got the plane |
| 00:47.15 | Patlabor221 | or least access to 2 of em |
| 00:47.20 | breadhat | company plane? |
| 00:47.22 | Patlabor221 | maybe 3, I don't reemember |
| 00:47.22 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:48.13 | Patlabor221 | onn no 2 one got sold |
| 00:48.17 | captain_proton | time for firesign |
| 00:48.29 | captain_proton | http://lurgyman.babylonia.flatirons.org/cinema/ |
| 00:48.50 | breadhat | hm, what kind? jets or prop? |
| 00:48.58 | Patlabor221 | did you find th4 william shatner splat thingy? |
| 00:49.01 | Patlabor221 | umm prop doug |
| 00:49.06 | Patlabor221 | jet is harder |
| 00:49.11 | Patlabor221 | and way more spensive |
| 00:49.16 | breadhat | oh |
| 00:49.21 | Patlabor221 | you have to get a prop, then a multi- then jet |
| 00:49.33 | Patlabor221 | and maybe comercial I don't recall |
| 00:49.50 | breadhat | ah, I have a friend who has all of those, he once got offered a job for an airline |
| 00:50.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's a lot of time to maintain those, so airlines love it when you have them |
| 00:51.06 | breadhat | hes also the guy who pulled a partially assembled air craft from oragon to north carolina |
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| 00:51.40 | captain_proton | TimRiker: can you quickly write up what you want to do re: version so i can do it if i get bored of bzdb? |
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| 00:52.49 | captain_proton | white lightning, white lighting, this is ground beef control! can you read me? over. |
| 00:52.53 | captain_proton | i read only good books. over. |
| 00:53.15 | Patlabor221 | well he's gone silly now hasn't he |
| 00:53.40 | breadhat | what book(s) is that? |
| 00:53.52 | captain_proton | breadhat: its from a firesign sketch |
| 00:54.07 | captain_proton | somewhat tasteless one, but its damn funny |
| 00:54.07 | breadhat | ah |
| 00:54.43 | captain_proton | and now they're doing a musical number about razing zion |
| 00:56.13 | captain_proton | and he said the word, and we ate it! hot dog! |
| 00:57.27 | Patlabor221 | well you have fun with that, I have some season 3 to watch |
| 00:57.30 | Patlabor221 | the asgard rock |
| 00:57.37 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooo |
| 00:57.49 | Patlabor221 | :P |
| 00:58.48 | Patlabor221 | asuming ye olde debian installs here, soon I can start ripin em |
| 01:06.57 | captain_proton | don't crush that dwarf! hand me the pliars.... |
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| 01:18.03 | captain_proton | say, who was born today? uh, nobody, hugh. i mean in history patty, before they changed the water. |
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| 01:33.37 | Patlabor221 | damned dvd playe is acking funky |
| 01:33.44 | Patlabor221 | guess I'll just get another |
| 01:33.57 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* i remember when they were expensice |
| 01:35.05 | Patlabor221 | good lord they are down to $35 |
| 01:37.40 | breadhat | hah |
| 01:41.04 | Patlabor221 | and it plays mp3s |
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| 01:49.55 | gurud00d | test |
| 01:50.09 | Noodleman | pong |
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| 01:53.15 | captain_proton | $35 ?? |
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| 02:07.54 | TimRiker | captain_proton: playerid -> u byte sync on client and server. |
| 02:08.13 | TimRiker | server determines entry point for client. |
| 02:08.27 | TimRiker | laser length to 1.5 normal shot |
| 02:08.45 | TimRiker | GM to 85% normal shot (or so) |
| 02:09.04 | captain_proton | TimRiker: well, specifically the version number - since until the list server separates them, its naughty to change the protocol |
| 02:10.08 | TimRiker | k. well when you check in the playerid change, go to 1.9 |
| 02:10.20 | TimRiker | or any other protocol breaking thing. |
| 02:10.35 | captain_proton | trivial change to 1.9a0 or do you want to go the whole route? |
| 02:10.57 | TimRiker | 1.9a0 is fine when the protocol changes. |
| 02:11.00 | captain_proton | ok |
| 02:11.07 | jzaun | I was reading the WIP page... there are plans to more to SDL totally? |
| 02:11.09 | captain_proton | mind if KotH goes in now then? ;-) |
| 02:11.10 | TimRiker | I'll do the text change later. |
| 02:11.34 | TimRiker | do the playerid switch and let's debug that for a while. |
| 02:11.47 | TimRiker | then we'll add things like KoTH |
| 02:12.00 | TimRiker | er KotH |
| 02:12.05 | captain_proton | alrighty |
| 02:12.22 | TimRiker | It would be fun to add tank scaling based on score. |
| 02:12.38 | captain_proton | doesn't the handicapped game style patch do that? |
| 02:12.55 | TimRiker | might. we should look. |
| 02:13.54 | captain_proton | ah, doesn't scale |
| 02:14.01 | TimRiker | size should be a range from max to min where max == highest score and min -- lowest (no matter the value). even distribution along that line. |
| 02:14.04 | captain_proton | just does speed & reload |
| 02:14.18 | TimRiker | hmm... speed and reload too. ;-) |
| 02:16.35 | TimRiker | http://halls.infogenix.com/gallery/jayce/SCO-Protest/dsc00347.jpg?width=640 |
| 02:17.26 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:17.26 | captain_proton | cute |
| 02:20.20 | TimRiker | http://halls.infogenix.com/gallery/jayce/SCO-Protest/dsc00358.jpg?width=800 |
| 02:37.27 | captain_proton | odd |
| 02:37.37 | captain_proton | viewcvs isn't showing all the revisions |
| 02:44.49 | TimRiker | viewcvs is 24 hours old |
| 02:45.22 | TimRiker | NOTE: ViewCVS is currently running against the backup CVS server; data shown may be up to 24 hours old. |
| 02:46.20 | TimRiker | looks like it's still not up to the re-HEADing I did. |
| 02:47.29 | captain_proton | yeah, i know |
| 02:47.35 | captain_proton | but it wasn't listing older revisions |
| 02:48.29 | captain_proton | god i wish cvs kept repository-wide revisions |
| 02:52.36 | scanline | you could host bzflag's subversion repository on navi! |
| 02:54.57 | captain_proton | scanline: or i could write a linuxfund proposal and do it the Right Way[tm] |
| 02:55.26 | scanline | or convince savannah to do subversion |
| 03:03.21 | captain_proton | // FIXME this should not be here! gag! |
| 03:03.21 | captain_proton | // oversight on Tim's part when checking in patches |
| 03:03.21 | captain_proton | #define INTERNALVERSION 0x17a0 |
| 03:03.23 | captain_proton | hmm :) |
| 03:03.56 | captain_proton | it gets used.... |
| 03:05.35 | scanline | #define INTERNALVERSION (random() & 0xFFFF) |
| 03:05.54 | captain_proton | oh my |
| 03:06.07 | captain_proton | its sending that number inside of MsgClientVersion |
| 03:09.15 | Patlabor221 | they were you of the$35 dvd players :( |
| 03:09.32 | captain_proton | you mean 'out' instead of 'you' ? |
| 03:09.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah sorry |
| 03:10.07 | Patlabor221 | bastards made me pay $15 more |
| 03:11.09 | Patlabor221 | the thing is tiny |
| 03:15.45 | TimRiker | captain_proton: yeah. but I could not fix it. it should be sending BZVERSION or something. |
| 03:20.16 | captain_proton | once i finish with this i'll take a look at how its used on the server side |
| 03:20.24 | captain_proton | because it seems '17a0' is probably a bit out of date |
| 03:22.25 | scanline | might be a little hard to do g2 in hex |
| 03:41.50 | captain_proton | i love some of these comments - // Tim Riker <Tim@Rikers.org> is responsible for this butt ugly hack |
| 03:44.06 | TimRiker | heh. that was there for just such an occasion. |
| 03:44.39 | TimRiker | captain_proton: iirc MsgClientVersion is sent but the server ignores it. |
| 03:46.10 | TimRiker | it should send a text stream like "1.7g3-1 Debian GNU/Linux compiled on 2003-06-09 19:44 on foo.example.com" |
| 03:46.32 | TimRiker | oh, left out "on ia64" |
| 03:47.27 | TimRiker | might want to ":" separate the fields or some screwy thing. |
| 03:47.32 | captain_proton | so i should be able to change the version numbers in configure.in and then run touchversion and thats it? |
| 03:48.23 | TimRiker | "1.7g2-20030603:s390:Debian GNU/Linux unstable:200306041944 on foo.example.com" |
| 03:48.37 | TimRiker | captain_proton: mostly. |
| 03:48.59 | TimRiker | grep -Irs g3 after that. there are still a few missing bits in touchversion |
| 03:49.39 | captain_proton | ah, got them |
| 03:49.42 | TimRiker | you mean changing both the text and numeric entries in configure.in, yes? you need to do both. |
| 03:49.56 | captain_proton | also looks like the .vcproj's are gone, so i'm pulling that from touchversion |
| 03:49.57 | captain_proton | TimRiker: yeah |
| 03:50.53 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: bump version number to 1.9a0 for protocol busting |
| 03:59.35 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 03:59.46 | captain_proton | bans make use of PlayerId::host |
| 04:29.10 | TimRiker | yep. server should have the IP in an Address struct. need to pass that info out to admin users, but not normal users. |
| 04:30.09 | TimRiker | scoreboard in debug mode would use it too. |
| 04:31.13 | TimRiker | 10704002 ? |
| 04:31.25 | TimRiker | it was 1.7d2? |
| 04:32.03 | captain_proton | apparently :) |
| 04:32.20 | captain_proton | i think package/mac is some turd left over by a failed attempt to port to os9 |
| 04:32.45 | TimRiker | project.pbxproj has a 1.7 someplace too iirc |
| 04:33.04 | captain_proton | i should have hit those |
| 04:33.04 | TimRiker | not failed. there is an os9 version. |
| 04:33.23 | captain_proton | well its apparently not maintained much ;) |
| 04:33.49 | TimRiker | now there you won't get any argument. |
| 04:34.10 | TimRiker | but don't nuke it. |
| 04:35.19 | captain_proton | wasn't planning on it |
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| 04:41.31 | bzgirl | hello |
| 04:41.44 | TimRiker | ~bzgirl |
| 04:41.49 | | methinks bzgirl is the coolest around |
| 04:41.57 | bzgirl | ibot :) |
| 04:41.58 | | (: |
| 04:43.14 | captain_proton | har |
| 04:43.20 | captain_proton | there are 'crippled version' turds in here |
| 04:44.20 | TimRiker | yep. I've not tried the timebomb in a long time. |
| 04:57.30 | captain_proton | this isn't timebomb |
| 04:57.40 | captain_proton | in ServerLink.cxx |
| 04:58.03 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.03 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.03 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.03 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.40 | TimRiker | ouch. forgot that was even there. |
| 04:59.00 | TimRiker | how does it know again? |
| 05:01.34 | captain_proton | it looks like it was in the protocol (or intended to be) at one point |
| 05:01.39 | captain_proton | gets it from ServerLink::getState() |
| 05:03.05 | captain_proton | can i temporarily break ban-by-name? =) |
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| 05:21.03 | TimRiker | captain_proton: sure. need to add the address display someplace though. /playerlist when admin ? |
| 05:24.01 | captain_proton | i don't think ban by IP is affected |
| 05:24.14 | captain_proton | i need to check that /playerlist is generated server-side (i think it is) |
| 05:27.19 | TimRiker | it is. |
| 05:27.38 | TimRiker | ban by IP will be fine, but without a new playerlist you won't know the IP. |
| 05:28.34 | TimRiker | perhaps disallow '/' in the player name and then have <playername>/24 and let the server do the math? |
| 05:28.49 | captain_proton | new playerlist? |
| 05:29.03 | TimRiker | just enhance playerlist I would think. |
| 05:29.16 | captain_proton | right now /ban translates a name to an IP if the format you give it isn't x.x.x.x |
| 05:29.26 | captain_proton | /playerlist should give player IP addresses |
| 05:29.44 | TimRiker | it would be nice to disallow playernames with leading numbers and then show the playernumber someplace. then you could "/ban 5/24" |
| 05:30.07 | TimRiker | where does it "translate" ? |
| 05:30.26 | TimRiker | keep in mind that I plan to add IPv6 support. so those won't be x.x.x.x |
| 05:31.31 | captain_proton | aha |
| 05:31.38 | captain_proton | nevermind, i'm just breaking the admin-by-keys patch |
| 05:41.55 | captain_proton | YAR |
| 05:43.16 | captain_proton | heh |
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| 06:31.25 | stibnite | i've prayed for cidr bans |
| 06:35.58 | TimRiker | stibnite: patches welcome |
| 06:36.09 | stibnite | i know |
| 06:36.17 | stibnite | I am also praying for the brains to do it |
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| 07:20.30 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 07:20.33 | captain_proton | well bzfs compiled :) |
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| 11:33.18 | Chikorita | hello |
| 11:34.08 | Chikorita | good morning |
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| 12:11.08 | CIA | mpanzi changed Patches 758363 (Avoid fast drop-grab limited flags.): Summary->'Avoid fast drop-grab limited flags.' |
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| 12:44.20 | Chikorita | is there an admin for Intermip here? |
| 12:44.39 | Chikorita | someone named "asshole" is cheating on that server |
| 12:44.59 | Chikorita | he is flying around the field |
| 12:45.09 | Chikorita | just wanted to let u know |
| 12:45.21 | Chikorita | bye |
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| 13:06.16 | [dmp] | somebody remind me to never toutch any hardware whatsoever :( |
| 13:06.25 | david_v | oh hi dmp |
| 13:06.31 | [dmp] | hi david_v. |
| 13:06.31 | david_v | that's how you damaged your mb? |
| 13:06.35 | david_v | statics right |
| 13:06.41 | [dmp] | want a cheap ladder-server? |
| 13:06.45 | david_v | lol |
| 13:06.54 | [dmp] | as a 1001 puzzle? |
| 13:07.03 | [dmp] | not that im tired of it.. noooooooooooooo way. |
| 13:07.08 | david_v | hm, sounded interesting before you mentioned the puzzle :) |
| 13:07.16 | Chestal | dmp: do you know what's broke and what's not? |
| 13:07.20 | david_v | haven't tried 3D puzzles before though |
| 13:07.27 | [dmp] | Chestal: nope, thats the problem. |
| 13:07.42 | david_v | so about what actually happened to the computer |
| 13:07.45 | [dmp] | Chestal: and i have no extra hardware to test it with. |
| 13:07.46 | david_v | if you knwo |
| 13:07.47 | david_v | *know |
| 13:08.54 | [dmp] | david_v: wanted to change psu. .cpu-fan defect (friction) .. bought a new cpu fan.. computer woudlnt boot (bios didnt even complain) .. everthing had power, through. Serveral people suggested it was a toasted motherboard.. [continued] |
| 13:09.40 | [dmp] | bought a new mobo.. found that the cpu-cooler didnt fit the new board. exchanged it with another one.. put everuthing into place.. And the exact same problem is still there. |
| 13:10.00 | [dmp] | no reaction, no boot, no beeps (doubltchecked soundconnector). |
| 13:10.17 | [dmp] | so, only thing left from the old setup is the cpu. |
| 13:11.38 | david_v | hmmmm |
| 13:11.59 | [dmp] | but its sure is soundless. it dosnt work, no reason to turn it on.. no sound.. I got what i wanted.. :-) |
| 13:12.04 | Chestal | hmm, when your cooler was broken, your CPU might have overheated before? |
| 13:12.13 | david_v | yeah, could be |
| 13:12.25 | david_v | the CPU seems to be damaged somehow |
| 13:12.29 | david_v | is my guess |
| 13:12.36 | [dmp] | it was running for like 5-10 sek before i shut it down.. when i look and smell it, it dosnt seems to be ood.. |
| 13:12.41 | [dmp] | i guess that too now.. |
| 13:12.54 | david_v | oh, it can overheat very very quickly |
| 13:12.58 | Chestal | what exactly happens when you turn power on? nothing at all? |
| 13:13.04 | david_v | is it an AMD, dmp? |
| 13:13.09 | [dmp] | yep |
| 13:13.11 | [dmp] | (David) |
| 13:13.32 | david_v | hmm... Intel processors can survive overheating by clocking down, AMD processors don't... |
| 13:13.39 | david_v | so it's less likely it has survived |
| 13:13.55 | [dmp] | fans start, power-led on board turns one. harddrives initiate (or whatever they do) .. but no beeps nor output to screen (have tried to change the gfx card and psu) |
| 13:14.23 | david_v | ohhh |
| 13:14.28 | david_v | but you said it was totally quiet |
| 13:14.58 | Chestal | must be CPU or board. And now that you switched the board, it's almost definitely the CPU |
| 13:15.01 | david_v | could even be the monitor... who knows |
| 13:15.09 | david_v | well, no beeps... forget it |
| 13:15.18 | david_v | wasn't thinking :) |
| 13:15.18 | [dmp] | david_v: no david. im using the monitor now :-) |
| 13:15.24 | david_v | hm ;) |
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| 13:15.29 | [dmp] | david_v: and the gfx card i used before :) |
| 13:15.39 | Chestal | in theory, it could also be your power supply if the lwoer voltages arenot generated, but Idoubt it |
| 13:15.55 | david_v | hey, a little trick... (don't know if this will help) |
| 13:15.58 | [dmp] | my new cpu cool. looks funny :) -> http://www.coolermaster.nl/asb-v73-u2.htm |
| 13:16.03 | david_v | do you know how to reset the mb BIOS with some switch or so? |
| 13:16.05 | david_v | CMOS i mean |
| 13:16.21 | david_v | my brother has a friend who had to do that in order to get the comp to start |
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| 13:16.46 | [dmp] | david_v: the board im currently using is brand new, so i doubt it will do any good? (tried to remove the batteri for 15 mins on the old board.. didnt change anything) |
| 13:17.01 | david_v | well his computer was brand new too... |
| 13:17.19 | david_v | i am not sure 15 mins will help. are you sure there is no CMOS reset switch on the MB? i would try that |
| 13:17.23 | david_v | i have one on mine at least |
| 13:17.27 | david_v | check the manual |
| 13:17.39 | david_v | not really a switch, but i don't know the right word right now |
| 13:17.55 | [dmp] | i guess i have. I just wanna pour fuel on it and have a blast right now. |
| 13:18.08 | [dmp] | at least if the mobo or cpu is cooked, it shoul dhave made some kind of fireworks :) |
| 13:18.14 | [dmp] | value-for-my-money :) |
| 13:18.30 | david_v | let me recommend 95-octane |
| 13:18.55 | [dmp] | chainsaw would properly be fun too.. or .. a tank .. |
| 13:19.27 | Chestal | too bad that PC boards usually don't have a service processor |
| 13:19.45 | david_v | usually? i didn't know about a single one |
| 13:19.58 | Chestal | but I really think your CPU is broken, but hard to test without another CPU |
| 13:20.14 | david_v | why would his CPU be broken if he gets beeps? |
| 13:20.19 | Mayhem | [dmp]: does the new mobo not help? |
| 13:20.25 | Chestal | well, I'd guess that some Xeon boards would have those |
| 13:20.26 | [dmp] | Mayhem: nope, same problem |
| 13:20.28 | david_v | i'd say it is working, even if i said the opposite just some minutes ago :) |
| 13:20.39 | david_v | Chestal: k... |
| 13:20.53 | Chestal | uhm, beeps? |
| 13:21.06 | [dmp] | i think its the cpu too. nothing else would make sense. |
| 13:21.09 | Mayhem | [dmp]: you tried different ram |
| 13:21.22 | [dmp] | the big question would then be, if the odl mobo is working after all. |
| 13:21.32 | [dmp] | Mayhem: no. but i havnt got it plugged in right now |
| 13:21.33 | david_v | Chestal: on the bootup, yes... plus the HDDs spin up, dmp said, no? |
| 13:21.43 | Chestal | david_v: he said, hdd spins, led turns on, but no beeps |
| 13:22.03 | david_v | doh, something's wrong with me today |
| 13:22.14 | david_v | hmm |
| 13:22.14 | Mayhem | hdd and leds just indicates power getting through, not much else |
| 13:22.19 | david_v | yeah |
| 13:22.37 | david_v | say whatever you want, i will agree ;) my mind hasn't started working yet |
| 13:24.34 | david_v | hmm... |
| 13:25.17 | david_v | well, it will probably tell you that |
| 13:25.26 | david_v | i think it can get to POST without RAM |
| 13:25.39 | david_v | but, i've never tried... :) |
| 13:26.03 | Mayhem | testing... |
| 13:26.09 | [dmp] | Mayhem: when it worked i would get some annoyed beeps from the bios. |
| 13:26.12 | david_v | *boom* :) |
| 13:26.30 | [dmp] | after bios reset: the same. Plugged 128mb into it. nothign changed. |
| 13:27.09 | [dmp] | but adjusting the fan is a reaaaaaaaal cool feature.. i can do that all day.. who cares if the cpu works or not :-) |
| 13:27.17 | Mayhem | with no ram, my test system gives long beeps, and doesn't post |
| 13:27.43 | david_v | k |
| 13:27.59 | david_v | [dmp]: lol :) |
| 13:28.39 | david_v | i've never had any problems with my system (yet) |
| 13:28.49 | [dmp] | I need to setup a ladder-for-food program, if i dont find another income soon :) |
| 13:28.56 | david_v | lol |
| 13:29.07 | david_v | i think you're getting desperate :) |
| 13:29.30 | [dmp] | I never cared much about hardware. it normally works. havnt had any major problems.. until now.. |
| 13:29.43 | david_v | for how long have you had that comp? |
| 13:29.53 | [dmp] | 7-8 months |
| 13:29.57 | david_v | hmm |
| 13:30.20 | david_v | i remember a scary situation i had once back in time... |
| 13:30.33 | david_v | i had put in some PCI card in a computer, and there wasn't much room |
| 13:30.44 | david_v | so the cable that was plugged to that card, actually touched the other PCI card... |
| 13:30.59 | david_v | the computer wouldn't start, just give some low-frequency noise |
| 13:31.05 | [dmp] | its just abit creepy. day1: cpu-fan problems. day2: sister motherboard dies. day3: i think mine is dead too. order a new .. day4: got new.... and stil the problems. |
| 13:31.11 | david_v | but, interestingly, it booted after i removed the card |
| 13:31.21 | david_v | man, i thought i had shortcircuited everything :) |
| 13:31.26 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:32.24 | david_v | at least i got some quality stuff (i hope), MSI motherboard, Chieftec case, boxed AMD processor with 3 year warranty... ahh :) |
| 13:32.43 | david_v | not that i think i will ever have any use for that warranty though... but hey, maybe |
| 13:32.56 | [dmp] | Im soo smart sometimes. I wanted my data stored centrally. on the server. so my password file is unavilable now.. so i cant write on bzbb :-) |
| 13:33.10 | david_v | can't you just pick the HDD out |
| 13:33.26 | david_v | or you can't connect it to your comp because it's SCSI or something? |
| 13:34.32 | [dmp] | no. plain ide. i proberly could get it working on this computer if i reconfigure the hardware.. but i have been living in the belief that im gotta get it up'm'running .. "soon" :) |
| 13:34.43 | david_v | ah |
| 13:34.53 | chatelaine | [dmp]: ask pat or fiber to reset your password |
| 13:34.56 | david_v | well, i gtg. good luck with the stuff |
| 13:34.59 | [dmp] | and now its weekend. |
| 13:35.16 | david_v | bye |
| 13:35.19 | [dmp] | chatelaine: nah, its okay. i dont write much there anyway. |
| 13:35.20 | [dmp] | cu david |
| 13:35.43 | [dmp] | just realized how dependent i was on that computer |
| 13:38.15 | Tupone | dmp: Have you tried to detach every board & cables from the mobo. Lefting CPU, Power, RAM,connection with the case and fan. Normally its my last resort. |
| 13:42.37 | [dmp] | Tupone: yes i have. |
| 13:43.00 | Tupone | dmp: Not working yet? |
| 13:43.04 | [dmp] | I guess i just need to get a new cpu. |
| 13:43.06 | [dmp] | Nope |
| 13:43.39 | Tupone | dmp: No spare CPU to try and burn? |
| 13:45.20 | Mayhem | [dmp]: you are going to end up with a second system at this rate :) |
| 13:45.43 | [dmp] | Mayhem: yep.. or alot of spare parts :) |
| 13:46.20 | [dmp] | Tupone: no. and no friends with hardware that i can use for testing. |
| 13:54.27 | Mayhem | [dmp]: how much does a cpu cost you? |
| 13:57.15 | [dmp] | 300 dkkr . .hmm wait.. ~ £32.83 .. its not that expensive.. (motherboard was around £60, cpu-cooler-stuff (including fan) £30, fan for old motherboard £10-15 .. (approx) |
| 13:58.13 | Mayhem | you need to setup a paypal account for donations :) |
| 14:02.34 | [dmp] | nah, i wouldnt do that. The guys who develops bzflag is putting much more effort into it, than i ever will. So that would be unfair. And I dont like paypal :) |
| 14:02.46 | chatelaine | how do you check what resolution X is running? like 1024x768 or whatever? |
| 14:04.09 | Mayhem | hmm. You could check the x logs, or run xvidtune |
| 14:04.12 | [dmp] | calico wants me to play. Chestal, if ducati gets hardware failure, it wasnt me :-) |
| 14:04.19 | Mayhem | hehe |
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| 14:45.34 | [dmp] | tds is victorious :-) |
| 14:46.44 | Mayhem | against who? |
| 14:47.37 | Mayhem | ah, bips |
| 14:47.42 | Chestal | Mayhem: greg is on 5156, you could do a 4th match vs. BiPs :-) |
| 14:48.04 | Mayhem | Chestal: I think we need to have a break from them... :) |
| 14:49.35 | Mayhem | especially since they will be out for revenge after their loss... |
| 14:49.36 | sussudio | ~eat laggers |
| 14:49.38 | | ACTION eats laggers and falls over dead |
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| 15:21.30 | mmu_man | ~tld .nu |
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| 15:22.46 | larsl_56k | Nauru? |
| 15:22.50 | larsl_56k | ~country .nu |
| 15:22.50 | | from memory, country .nu is niue |
| 15:22.52 | Mayhem | niui |
| 15:23.05 | Mayhem | Niue, sorry can't spell |
| 15:23.25 | mmu_man | ow, where si this one ? |
| 15:23.46 | Mayhem | ~google niue |
| 15:23.49 | Noodlebot | Register Your .NU Domain Name Today, http://www.nunames.nu/ |
| 15:23.49 | Noodlebot | Welcome General Information Event Calendar How to get there ... , http://www.niueisland.com/ |
| 15:23.49 | Noodlebot | CIA - The World Factbook 2002 -- Niue, http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ne.html |
| 15:24.12 | larsl_56k | Somewhere in the pacific, I guess. |
| 15:24.31 | mmu_man | http://www.brandsplus.com/cctlds.htm |
| 15:28.22 | Mayhem | ~country .tv |
| 15:28.22 | | [country .tv] tuvalu |
| 15:28.46 | Mayhem | yes, but they sold the tld... |
| 15:32.02 | Mayhem | What is so special about .nu as a domain? .tv I can understand... |
| 15:39.05 | [dmp] | in danish nu means now |
| 15:40.05 | breadhat | whereis tv.tv |
| 15:40.14 | breadhat | ~whereis tv.tv |
| 15:40.15 | Noodlebot | 207.202.37.167 is probably located in piscataway, new jersey, us at 40.55 latitude, -74.46, longitude |
| 15:40.15 | Noodlebot | 207.202.37.166 is probably located in piscataway, new jersey, us at 40.55 latitude, -74.46, longitude |
| 15:42.09 | Mayhem | I'm guessing 'nu' must mean 'new' to americans... |
| 15:45.05 | [dmp] | fights should be as they are now. everybody fights everybody else if they like. |
| 15:45.46 | Mayhem | I was thinking actually 3 divisions... |
| 15:46.34 | Chestal | I thought about divisions |
| 15:46.42 | [dmp] | ~5 teams each. |
| 15:46.43 | Chestal | but I came to the conclusion that it would only make things worse |
| 15:46.43 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 15:47.03 | Chestal | but maybe I underestimate the psychological components that teams don't like it to have a rating <1200 |
| 15:47.31 | [dmp] | perhaps we shouldnt show the points of teams, that never had played a match. |
| 15:48.30 | [dmp] | We are experiencing that we get rejected as possible opponent,as we are too strong. :-| |
| 15:49.51 | [dmp] | But i guess the problems is, plain and simple, that there is too few teams. |
| 15:50.36 | Mayhem | I think the number of teams is fine, but the spread of skill is quite large |
| 15:51.47 | Mayhem | eg. BzR and TES are quite close on the ladder, but when playing each other the results are marked... |
| 15:52.26 | Mayhem | I would like to see a round-robin, where each team plays every other team once. |
| 15:52.53 | [dmp] | Like some form of tournament? |
| 15:53.41 | chatelaine | they play more matches |
| 15:54.01 | chatelaine | you guys seem to be lazier :) |
| 15:54.30 | [dmp] | Well, i got 3-4 reject for a match :-( .. but otherwise you're right. |
| 15:54.49 | Mayhem | They have beaten Vbz, but not TDS |
| 15:54.53 | chatelaine | we had alot of mathes declined recently also |
| 15:55.28 | [dmp] | usd, blitz, bzr, tes dont want play us.. so there is not much active teams left.. anyway, this isnt really a problem. |
| 15:55.40 | [dmp] | i understand why they dont like to play us |
| 15:56.45 | Mayhem | No-one (except TES) wants to play teams they are unlikely to beat, which skews the rankings. |
| 15:56.56 | chatelaine | I think theres too much emphasis on winning, matches are fun, or should be, but playing against new teams is awful, i feel guilty playing TES |
| 15:57.15 | chatelaine | i played the whole atch looking only at radar |
| 15:57.23 | [dmp] | yeah. there is too much focus on these elo-points |
| 15:57.31 | Mayhem | chatelaine: that's often a good way to play :) |
| 15:58.10 | Mayhem | Isn't the point of matches to see who is the best, by winning? 5156 is for fun-playing. |
| 15:58.35 | chatelaine | i guess, but at the end of the day its a tank game :) |
| 15:58.36 | [dmp] | i got a depth-buffer problem. sometimes i cant enable it, and when that happens.. shots are drawn behind the shooter (if they shoot at me) covering the shot.. until it gets reaaaaal close. then i need to use radar :) |
| 15:59.53 | [dmp] | i like league matches because of the structure and that there is a duration of the match. But you already know that :) |
| 16:01.40 | Mayhem | chatelaine: edit your .bzflag to set radar size to 15 or so. Makes it a radar-dominated screen :) |
| 16:01.54 | chatelaine | that will work? |
| 16:01.55 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:02.00 | Mayhem | yes, it does |
| 16:02.22 | Chestal | I understand when teams don't want to play matches against a team which is a _lot- stronger |
| 16:02.24 | chatelaine | Mayhem: ive thought of the ability to swap radar with "out the window" would be fun |
| 16:02.28 | Chestal | those matches usually aren't much fine for either team |
| 16:02.46 | Mayhem | [dmp]: I think it would be good to have a tournament parallel to the elo ladder, to even out things like the number of matches HoW have played |
| 16:02.51 | Chestal | and an estimate if you can beat another team is the ELO rating, at leawst after a team has played enough matches |
| 16:03.07 | Chestal | it makes most sense for teams to have a match whose ratign is similar |
| 16:03.08 | chatelaine | Chestal: they arnet fun at all, i told bamf i dont want to play TES untill theyre stronger |
| 16:03.38 | Chestal | similar maybe meaning a difference of at most 200 |
| 16:03.46 | Mayhem | you also get a lot of variation in a team strength depending on who is playing |
| 16:03.55 | Chestal | Mayhem: for some teams, yes |
| 16:04.06 | Mayhem | I can beat all the HoW players except freelancer :) |
| 16:04.14 | [dmp] | Would it be usefull if a player could see how many point they might gain/loose when looking at the teamlist? |
| 16:04.17 | Chestal | I usually suggest that teams are formed in a way that the individual abilities do not vary too much |
| 16:04.23 | Mayhem | would be good if *who* was in the match was recorded |
| 16:04.31 | [dmp] | yeah. |
| 16:04.33 | Chestal | but that also depends on the team chemistry, some players are good for CTF |
| 16:04.56 | Chestal | liek rembo never has a great score, but along a strong killer he makes a very good team |
| 16:05.07 | [dmp] | Mayhem: i wanted to put this into my todolist, but didnt figure out how to handle (if) substitution. |
| 16:05.30 | Chestal | what we really need is to be able to record matches and replay them |
| 16:05.31 | Mayhem | [dmp]: yes, substitution complicates it |
| 16:05.53 | Mayhem | or if the server kept track of who was in the game, and how many flag-touches they had... |
| 16:06.20 | Mayhem | Chestal: recording games would be very useful, and fun |
| 16:06.24 | [dmp] | perhaps i should make a logfile parser :-) |
| 16:06.59 | Chestal | there is an additional problem when it comes to less experienced teams |
| 16:07.04 | [dmp] | .. when i get the server working. |
| 16:07.13 | Chestal | they usually consist of players which didn't play so much on the common CTF servers |
| 16:07.36 | Chestal | so usually, it's ahrder for them to arrange a match, and they're more chaotic, they don't know how to to things best |
| 16:08.38 | Chestal | bzr, avengers and USD should play each other I think |
| 16:08.53 | Mayhem | A large problem is the ad-hoc way matches are arranged... eg. HoW play a lot because they are always hassling people on 5156 for matches |
| 16:09.00 | Chestal | yes |
| 16:09.03 | chatelaine | BB :) |
| 16:09.07 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 16:09.14 | chatelaine | BBSpam |
| 16:09.16 | Chestal | there have been thoughts about how to do that better, but nothing has been accomplished |
| 16:09.23 | Mayhem | which is probably why so many teams have never played a match... |
| 16:09.34 | Chestal | I gues we should also try to make a list of 'official' league servers |
| 16:10.09 | chatelaine | then Cedric will know where all the matches are! |
| 16:10.12 | chatelaine | :) |
| 16:10.13 | Mayhem | unfortunately it is very hard to schedule matches... |
| 16:10.23 | Mayhem | lol @ chatelaine |
| 16:11.28 | Chestal | summer solstice today, btw. |
| 16:11.31 | Mayhem | Would it be unreasonable to expect each team to play one match a week, eg on a Saturday? |
| 16:11.57 | Chestal | Mayhem: right now I am lucky when I see one of my teammates a week |
| 16:12.00 | Mayhem | Chestal: so if it wasn't cloudy here, I would be seeing the most sun of the year? |
| 16:12.33 | Chestal | yep, from now on, it will get darker and darker. Winter is coming :-) |
| 16:12.38 | Mayhem | Chestal: yes, that is the problem. |
| 16:12.41 | Mayhem | noooooo |
| 16:13.10 | Chestal | well, you could also see it positively: summer has started! |
| 16:13.39 | Mayhem | Chestal: but if everyone *knew* that x o'clock every saturday was match time, people might turn up especially... |
| 16:14.28 | Mayhem | and teams that don't turn up forfeit :) |
| 16:15.33 | Chestal | we also had the idea to implement some kind of calendar on the league site for arrangign matches |
| 16:16.24 | Mayhem | Chestal: a root problem seems to be that most players suck at organisation :) |
| 16:17.01 | Mayhem | I'm always getting bzmessages arranging matches, but they never seem to happen as planned |
| 16:17.24 | Chestal | a year ago it was easy for me to get a match going |
| 16:17.37 | Chestal | at least 2 or 3 of my teammates had been around almost every evening |
| 16:17.59 | Mayhem | was that against other regular 5156 players? |
| 16:18.26 | Chestal | yes, mostly |
| 16:18.33 | Chestal | so, ad-hoc |
| 16:19.05 | Mayhem | Imagine if the local football league ran things the same way - teams have matches when they organise it between themselves :) |
| 16:21.01 | Chestal | but I don't want to force a hard schedule onthe players |
| 16:21.17 | Chestal | I don't think that most of them would be willing to play every Saturday or so |
| 16:21.41 | Mayhem | Would be interesting to find out... |
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| 16:22.25 | Mayhem | Teams of 5-6 players should be able to provide 2 players once a week... |
| 16:23.03 | Chestal | the other idea would be to go on with self-scheduled matches and try to oranize an event (tournament) now and then |
| 16:24.04 | Mayhem | how would you have a tournament? would those matches still be self-scheduled? |
| 16:24.21 | Chestal | the tournament should be done on one (or maybe two) days |
| 16:24.35 | Chestal | simplest way would be simple elimination |
| 16:24.54 | Chestal | the current ratings could be used to help assign matches |
| 16:24.55 | Mayhem | you mean *everyone* plays over one/two days. wow. |
| 16:25.10 | Chestal | well, with simpel elimnation, it wouldn't be that many matches |
| 16:25.19 | Chestal | for 16 teams, 8+4+2+1 match |
| 16:25.26 | Mayhem | then you have to get all the teams to appear for their match... |
| 16:25.29 | Chestal | but 16 teams seems to be unrealistic anyway |
| 16:25.40 | Mayhem | and the winners have to keep coming back for their next round. |
| 16:25.45 | Chestal | each round coudl take about 45 minutes |
| 16:25.53 | Chestal | so 4 rounds=3 hours |
| 16:25.58 | Chestal | we'd just need to have enough servers |
| 16:26.32 | Mayhem | would be great to do, I can imagine 16 teams all showing up on time though... |
| 16:26.40 | Chestal | with less servers, it woudl take longer of course |
| 16:27.04 | Chestal | 2 years or so ago, Valoche and I organized a single palyer tournament |
| 16:27.09 | Chestal | was a bit chaotic :-) |
| 16:27.18 | Mayhem | :) I can imagine |
| 16:27.27 | Chestal | we only did one match at a time then, with 3 or 4 players playing |
| 16:27.38 | Mayhem | The pre-game lounge idea would make something like this easier... |
| 16:27.38 | Chestal | and the best scoring of each match makign it to the next round |
| 16:27.55 | Mayhem | not a bad idea |
| 16:27.57 | Chestal | yes, we had to tell everyoen to come to irc |
| 16:28.31 | Mayhem | having running stats to keep everone interested while waiting for their match |
| 16:29.04 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/ is the results page |
| 16:30.08 | Mayhem | aww, "Chestal's PC crashed during the battle" |
| 16:30.12 | Mayhem | :) |
| 16:30.44 | Chestal | might have been better anyway, I was quite stressed organizing and playing at the same time |
| 16:31.21 | Mayhem | true, you need dedicated people to run these things and not play. I used to run competitions at lan parties, you are way too busy to play yourself. |
| 16:31.41 | Mayhem | Even with everyone in the same room, organising people is really hard. |
| 16:31.44 | Chestal | and the tournament took too long |
| 16:31.59 | Chestal | it already was too long as plannes, and of course it took longer |
| 16:32.05 | Mayhem | they always do... |
| 16:32.19 | Mayhem | You could have one round each week... |
| 16:32.39 | Mayhem | or the next day... |
| 16:33.00 | Chestal | yes, but I think that wouldn't have worked with single players |
| 16:33.08 | Chestal | lots of them wouldn't have been able to show up |
| 16:33.24 | Chestal | we had a registration like 2 or 3 weeks before the tournament |
| 16:33.25 | Mayhem | true, its hard keeping people |
| 16:33.29 | Chestal | and still some peopel didn't come |
| 16:34.06 | Chestal | actually, IIRC the winner (Blaster) hadn't registered at all, but filled a gap :-) |
| 16:35.36 | Mayhem | They never work neatly, or as planned, but I'd like to do something like this. |
| 16:37.38 | Mayhem | Would you want to run a team-based tournament? |
| 16:38.28 | Chestal | I'd like to see one, but I don't think I'd liek to organize it myself this time, maybe help with it |
| 16:38.39 | Mayhem | I'd like to help too :) |
| 16:39.46 | Mayhem | but volunteering to be the head-honcho takes a certain kind of insanity :) |
| 16:40.22 | [dmp] | you called? |
| 16:40.22 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:40.29 | Chestal | kernel panic wrote somethign about a tournament on turkey, but I don't really think it will work out |
| 16:40.41 | Mayhem | I vote [dmp] to organise the tourney. |
| 16:40.57 | [dmp] | i saw that.. you needed to pay 10$ or soemthing to participate? |
| 16:41.12 | Mayhem | wtf? |
| 16:41.29 | [dmp] | hmm gonna try to find it |
| 16:41.33 | Chestal | dmp: yes, because he wanted to make a real prize |
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| 16:43.35 | chatelaine | hi _paulj |
| 16:43.46 | _paulj | hi chatelaine |
| 16:43.47 | [dmp] | Might bee good, as people might feel more commited to it (and there by showing up) .. But I wouldnt participate, unless its free. I think. |
| 16:44.15 | Mayhem | logistics of money are complicated... |
| 16:44.28 | Chestal | I wouldn't play on turkey in any case, but personally I really don't like the idea of a fee |
| 16:44.30 | [dmp] | and source of many problems. |
| 16:44.43 | [dmp] | Me neither. |
| 16:45.21 | [dmp] | i guess it might scare off people too. if they feel they dont have a chance. |
| 16:45.22 | Mayhem | got a link to the discussion on bzbb? |
| 16:46.47 | [dmp] | seems like i cant search when im not logged in. |
| 16:48.30 | Chestal | Mayhem: it's not new, like 2 weeks old I think |
| 16:51.58 | Mayhem | I'm curious what chiko is trying to do with her 'rebel league' idea. Wonder if it will ever happen... |
| 16:52.56 | Chestal | the community is not big enough to support two leagues |
| 16:53.21 | Chestal | better to concentrate the efforts |
| 16:53.24 | Mayhem | although it seems to support multiple discussion boards... |
| 16:54.36 | JBDiGriz | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=694&highlight=tournament |
| 16:55.03 | Mayhem | ta JB |
| 17:00.09 | Mayhem | hmm, I can't imagine too many people taking up KP's idea |
| 17:01.21 | [dmp] | every time i ask her about it, i get "its a secret" :-| |
| 17:01.30 | [dmp] | (rebel league) |
| 17:01.38 | Mayhem | ah yes |
| 17:01.46 | sussudio | the secret of lag |
| 17:02.40 | Mayhem | $10 x 80 = $800 - <price of geforce> - <shipping> = ? |
| 17:04.10 | sussudio | 3 DOLLAH SOLDIAH BOY |
| 17:05.18 | Mayhem | np, I have duct tape... |
| 17:05.47 | sussudio | i have plastic sheeting. let's make an USian bomb shelter. |
| 17:06.08 | Mayhem | what the heck is that? |
| 17:06.16 | sussudio | duct tape and plastic! |
| 17:06.26 | sussudio | it's against terrorist dirty bomb attacks. |
| 17:06.28 | Mayhem | obviously... |
| 17:06.45 | sussudio | much like the 'duck, roll & cover' of the 50s against nuclear bombs |
| 17:06.49 | Mayhem | So does everyone in the US have one in their backyard? |
| 17:07.03 | sussudio | yes |
| 17:07.20 | Mayhem | I see not much has changed then... |
| 17:07.25 | sussudio | nope |
| 17:08.40 | sussudio | that's what george w is for, every time he opens his mouth |
| 17:08.45 | Mayhem | :) |
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| 17:09.45 | Chestal | time for T,EG,h |
| 17:09.53 | sussudio | PEEG? |
| 17:10.41 | Chestal | now that we broke protocol and we're possibly going to make some major changes, it might be best to use a different file name for the config file liek we did with 1.8? |
| 17:14.18 | sussudio | i suggest .bzflag-superduper-1.9 |
| 17:15.05 | Mayhem | s/duper/dooper/ ? |
| 17:15.34 | sussudio | nuh. |
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| 17:15.47 | Mayhem | greetings learner |
| 17:15.56 | learner | howdy |
| 17:15.58 | sussudio | or maybe .bzflag-headlikeaholeblackasyoursoulidratherdiethangiveyoucontrol-1.9 |
| 17:16.33 | Mayhem | what sort of music do you listen too? |
| 17:16.40 | sussudio | happy music |
| 17:16.44 | Mayhem | obviously... |
| 17:16.53 | sussudio | produced by bunnies from mars |
| 17:18.26 | Patlabor221 | bow down to godmoney |
| 17:18.37 | sussudio | godmoney can kiss my furry ass |
| 17:18.50 | Mayhem | rabit does taste bit like chicken, but stringier... |
| 17:19.04 | learner | :) |
| 17:19.09 | Mayhem | :p |
| 17:19.24 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 17:28.37 | learner | Probably in the evening |
| 17:28.43 | learner | oops |
| 17:28.51 | Patlabor221 | big night planed?:) |
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| 17:29.58 | [dmp] | Patlabor221: can you reset my bzbb password? I dont have access to my password-file (server is still dead) |
| 17:30.08 | NinjaSocks | sure |
| 17:30.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 17:30.47 | Patlabor221 | your email in your profile is still valid? |
| 17:32.03 | [dmp] | Patlabor221: it is, but the same server is handling mail, so i cannot read it it (its stored at my isp now, until i get it up or it bounces them) |
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| 18:05.59 | sussudio | where does win2000 keep its bootlogs? |
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| 18:12.00 | david_v | plong, has badin been around? |
| 18:14.31 | david_v | not that important... later |
| 18:35.40 | [dmp] | TDS have just earned to point after playing two matches :-) |
| 18:36.57 | Chestal | another draw? :-) |
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| 18:37.35 | Chestal | teams are have same rating now |
| 18:37.43 | strayer | hi... |
| 18:38.18 | Chestal | hi strayer |
| 18:38.43 | strayer | ...Glück auf... :) |
| 18:40.58 | Mayhem | TDS is playing BiPs as much as BzR... |
| 18:41.03 | sussudio | schweinhund? |
| 18:41.46 | strayer | sussudio: ? |
| 18:42.37 | sussudio | strayer : you're supposed to say "It's schweinEhund" |
| 18:44.46 | strayer | hm...I think I lost any context... |
| 18:45.02 | sussudio | :-P |
| 18:45.14 | sussudio | it works with prodan |
| 18:45.48 | strayer | :) ... well...but not with me... |
| 18:47.27 | strayer | ...but next time I'll remember this... :o) |
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| 19:31.22 | Mayhem | is the new HEAD available by anonymous cvs on sf? |
| 19:32.39 | Mayhem | or do I still need -r v1_7? |
| 19:36.15 | scanline | bzflag needs automatic snapshots |
| 19:36.29 | sussudio | ~french scanline |
| 19:36.31 | | ACTION sticks it's tongue down scanline's throat to taste what scanline had for dinner |
| 19:36.35 | larsl_56k | Nightly tarballs. |
| 19:36.52 | scanline | nightly is too slow |
| 19:36.57 | scanline | every 4 hours works better |
| 19:37.07 | scanline | sussudio: um, thanks.... |
| 19:37.07 | larsl_56k | You mean for build testing? |
| 19:37.22 | scanline | no, for people to download without screwing around with sf's broken anoncvs |
| 19:37.34 | larsl_56k | Hopefully they'll unbreak it soon. |
| 19:37.57 | scanline | picogui and openzaurus do the same thing, but mostly because they use source control systems less ubiquitous than CVS |
| 19:38.07 | Mayhem | a daily cvs tarball would suit me at the moment |
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| 20:03.56 | [dmp] | hi david_v |
| 20:05.53 | sussudio | hm hashmark went barf |
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| 20:40.05 | wallydog | lo |
| 20:41.18 | chatelaine | hello |
| 20:41.25 | wallydog | whoops |
| 20:41.33 | fiberchunks_ | that's better |
| 20:41.34 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
| 20:42.01 | chatelaine | you have a dog named wally? |
| 20:42.20 | fiberchunks_ | mmmm hmmm -- her real name is tasha, but we call her wally, walnut, whatever ;) |
| 20:43.38 | chatelaine | ahh |
| 20:49.14 | sussudio | pickled pigsfeet for everyone |
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| 20:56.16 | fiberchunks_ | foo |
| 21:00.16 | captain_proton | Chestal: when/if we change the config file format, we should move to .bzflag19 |
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| 21:06.47 | captain_proton | aw, hoda left without saying anything :) |
| 21:18.49 | david_v | [dmp]: hey, was playing :) |
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| 21:21.55 | [dmp] | david_v: kinda figured that :-) |
| 21:22.23 | david_v | [dmp]: hehe |
| 21:24.01 | [dmp] | david_v: so how is you ego-team? :-) |
| 21:24.10 | Mayhem | bwahahahaha |
| 21:24.25 | Mayhem | [dmp]: you've hit the nail with a hammer :) |
| 21:24.29 | david_v | :) |
| 21:24.48 | david_v | i'm doing quite fine. i always win, but it feels like i'm losing though. funny |
| 21:25.14 | david_v | playing against myself now and then, you know |
| 21:25.16 | [dmp] | you need to get some members, dude. we had 3 matches with badin today.. Kinda got enough banana for one day (eiik) |
| 21:25.57 | [dmp] | btw: was sussi a member for your team some time ago? |
| 21:26.50 | [dmp] | he had once "xitrof"-tag. |
| 21:27.30 | Mayhem | [dmp]: you know of the Hurd? |
| 21:28.43 | [dmp] | this gnu/"linux"-thingy ? |
| 21:29.01 | david_v | grrr :) |
| 21:29.07 | david_v | quiet ;) |
| 21:29.55 | [dmp] | then you otta join #david_v .. i think all you mates are there :-) |
| 21:30.09 | david_v | not yet, but thanks :) |
| 21:30.27 | Mayhem | [dmp]: yes. David had never 'hurd' of it :( |
| 21:30.43 | david_v | i said quiet :) is nobody listening :) |
| 21:31.03 | Mayhem | btw, thats 'his' pun, not mine |
| 21:31.34 | david_v | 'his' huh, what's wrong with me now :) |
| 21:32.01 | david_v | and no i'm not a woman, i hope you see that on my name :) |
| 21:32.39 | david_v | just in case... better write a full clause just to defend myself |
| 21:32.59 | [dmp] | davidella? |
| 21:33.04 | [dmp] | :) |
| 21:34.12 | david_v | i'm going and playing with Mayhem now, at least i can handle one insult at a time then :) |
| 21:34.18 | Mayhem | heh, and I thought I was always arguing with david... |
| 21:34.39 | david_v | brb |
| 21:34.43 | david_v_away | hehe |
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| 22:28.10 | Chestal | Cheers! |
| 22:33.18 | learner | Cheers! |
| 22:33.39 | sussudio | Squeels |
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| 23:04.56 | captain_proton | hang on to your pants |
| 23:05.39 | larsl_56k | I am. |
| 23:05.40 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: playerid->ubyte, eliminate reconnect |
| 23:05.46 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || g2 released 2003-06-17 || Subversive planning for the next release http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/WorkInProgress || everyone please debug playerid changes for a while |
| 23:13.15 | Chestal | uhoh, that commit sounds dangerous |
| 23:15.05 | learner | cap, is that the one that is supposed to prevent repeated reconnects? |
| 23:15.51 | learner | or something else |
| 23:18.19 | captain_proton | learner: no, its eliminating the reconnect port |
| 23:18.45 | captain_proton | prior, bzflag would connect to 5155, read a packet that contained the reconnect port number, and reconnect to that |
| 23:18.49 | captain_proton | (really stupid) |
| 23:18.57 | captain_proton | now it just uses 1 tcp port |
| 23:22.45 | larsl_56k | Nice. |
| 23:23.14 | captain_proton | but its a big complicated commit, so people need to test! |
| 23:28.09 | larsl_56k | playerid->ubyte, does that mean that the PlayerId no longer is a struct of InAddr, port, and other stuff? |
| 23:29.10 | captain_proton | yep |
| 23:29.26 | captain_proton | PlayerId is now the array index |
| 23:34.11 | Chestal | the only problem with the change that I can see (when you didn't do some errors :-) is that there might have been situations wher a playerid was stored for future reference, then that player left |
| 23:34.34 | Chestal | now it would be impossible to see whether it's the same or a siddferent player when the slot gets reused |
| 23:34.45 | Chestal | don't know if that happened anywhere, though |
| 23:35.10 | captain_proton | i don't -think- it happens |
| 23:35.21 | Chestal | how does the server assign UDP packets to player slots? |
| 23:35.27 | captain_proton | but thats what having people test it is for |
| 23:36.08 | Chestal | when I find the time, I'll run a 1.9 ducati tomorrow |
| 23:36.48 | captain_proton | the server still has address information |
| 23:37.42 | captain_proton | just the client does not |
| 23:37.43 | larsl_56k | Does this mean that the clients no longer have the player IPs, or do they get them some other way too? |
| 23:37.45 | Chestal | multicast code is still in there, sleeping? |
| 23:38.02 | captain_proton | i commented out a block of multicast sludge that was conflicting with this change |
| 23:38.08 | captain_proton | we should rip all the multicast stuff out |
| 23:38.22 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: correct. the only way to get a player's IP now should be /playerlist |
| 23:38.28 | larsl_56k | That's good. |
| 23:39.03 | Chestal | 2proton: what about bans in quick admin stuff? |
| 23:39.05 | larsl_56k | Couldn't multicast be useful on a LAN (if the routers actually support it) ? |
| 23:39.14 | captain_proton | Chestal: thats temporarily broken :) |
| 23:39.22 | Chestal | it woudl actually be very useful on the Internet, too |
| 23:39.25 | Chestal | if it would work |
| 23:39.37 | captain_proton | once we move to ipv6 we should look at multicast again |
| 23:39.43 | Chestal | but IMHO we should get rid of it for now |
| 23:39.50 | captain_proton | but until then the infrastructure just isn't there |
| 23:39.55 | larsl_56k | Does IPv6 have better multicast support? |
| 23:39.55 | Chestal | remove all the code, only makes since more complicated |
| 23:40.04 | Chestal | eh, since->thingfs |
| 23:40.11 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: IPv6 pretty much requires it for routers :) |
| 23:40.25 | larsl_56k | Nice. |
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| 23:40.29 | captain_proton | larsl_56k: a lot of the nonexistance of multicast routing stems from the fact that multicast is new, and IPv4 isn't |
| 23:40.40 | larsl_56k | Multicast would be great for internet radio. |
| 23:40.58 | captain_proton | and people don't want to replace their infrastructure just for some feature they probably won't use |
| 23:41.29 | captain_proton | multicast also breaks badly with NAT |
| 23:41.32 | Chestal | I really think we shoudl rip it out for now |
| 23:41.37 | Chestal | it's disables anyway |
| 23:41.37 | captain_proton | Chestal: agreed here |
| 23:41.56 | Chestal | but there's still some code in there which handled the different cases of realying, no relaying etc. |
| 23:42.58 | Chestal | about that email thingy: maybe we should replace it with 'team' and get it into the GUI |
| 23:43.14 | Chestal | which reminds me that one nice part of 1.8 was that it was easy to change the menus |
| 23:43.36 | Chestal | guess this was interoperating with the database stuff? |
| 23:43.50 | captain_proton | yeah, menus directly modified bzdb |
| 23:43.57 | Chestal | I think I like that |
| 23:44.09 | captain_proton | i plan to do that once i get bzdb integrated |
| 23:44.20 | captain_proton | since that'll work just as well with the current menus |
| 23:44.26 | captain_proton | even though the current UI sucks :) |
| 23:45.01 | Chestal | 1.8 already handled observer as a specia player or team type, right? |
| 23:45.11 | captain_proton | 1.8 used the JAFOPlayer object |
| 23:45.19 | captain_proton | which iirc exists in 1.7 as well |
| 23:45.25 | Chestal | yes, it exists |
| 23:45.28 | Chestal | but is not handled |
| 23:45.46 | Chestal | I wonder whether it's a good idea that observers can also be in a team |
| 23:46.01 | larsl_56k | It would be better to have an 'observer team'. |
| 23:46.03 | Chestal | I guess it could be usefl, however, there are also downsides to it |
| 23:46.17 | Chestal | for example in matches, this is used righ tnow |
| 23:46.27 | Chestal | substitues are observers in team color |
| 23:46.41 | captain_proton | i'm not sure the benefits outweigh the complexity |
| 23:48.39 | Chestal | the server should know the clients' revisions |
| 23:49.00 | Chestal | might also be neat to include the platform in that, so we can somethign like 1.9a0 w32 |
| 23:49.38 | Chestal | I could setup ducati to not allow windowes clients to connect this way;-) |
| 23:49.56 | captain_proton | hah |
| 23:50.06 | Chestal | but it would really be useful sometime |
| 23:50.29 | Chestal | and easy to do, especially when we go to a string in MsgCLientVersiob or whatever anyway |
| 23:52.39 | Chestal | k, good night, must get up early (well, kinda) for sports tomorrow |
| 23:52.47 | captain_proton | 'night |
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