| 00:01.26 | TimRiker | captain_proton: not yet. |
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| 00:17.30 | bryjen | bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 00:17.30 | bryjen | ibot: bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 00:21.42 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 00:21.59 | learner | ~bzg |
| 00:22.02 | learner | ~rose |
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| 00:28.54 | bryjen | ~bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 00:31.15 | bzgirl | ~spell baclava |
| 00:31.15 | | possible spellings for baclava: baklava Vaclav balaclava baklavas Bacall Barclay |
| 00:31.30 | learner | mmmm... yummy |
| 00:31.34 | bzgirl | ~dict baklav |
| 00:31.39 | bzgirl | ~dict baklava |
| 00:31.45 | bzgirl | yup |
| 00:31.48 | bzgirl | thats the one |
| 00:32.03 | bryjen | ~dict Barclay |
| 00:32.22 | learner | ~dict empanada |
| 00:32.31 | learner | ~dict corona |
| 00:32.39 | learner | bah! |
| 00:33.58 | bzgirl | bryjen: Barclay, IL |
| 00:33.58 | bzgirl | ? |
| 00:36.06 | bryjen | http://www.corona.com/ |
| 00:36.47 | bzgirl | Sorry. You must be of legal drinking age to enter.!! |
| 00:38.13 | learner | :) lol |
| 00:38.38 | learner | hehe I like the cell phone game |
| 00:38.49 | bzgirl | why do they want your state, zip code and DOB just to enter the site? |
| 00:39.16 | bryjen | variations in legal drinking age? |
| 00:39.52 | learner | I assume.. |
| 00:40.11 | learner | no naked ladies in there .. *shrug* |
| 00:40.22 | bryjen | possibly illegal in some places to advertise alcohol to underage persons? |
| 00:40.30 | bzgirl | i guess |
| 00:40.32 | learner | ah, good point |
| 00:40.42 | bryjen | errrr, or not. Lotsa TV 'mercials arent there. |
| 00:41.07 | bzgirl | yep |
| 00:43.52 | learner | Function: noun |
| 00:44.51 | bryjen | bryjen:~/src/bzflag$ cvs -z 3 |
| 00:45.16 | bryjen | sf.net> not even if you say pretty please >:( |
| 00:47.03 | fiberchunks | hrm, has anyone complained about glitchiness with the new client? |
| 00:47.27 | bryjen | I haven't heard any |
| 00:47.52 | fiberchunks | I seem to experience glitchiness -- wonder if it's my setup -- how can I tell? |
| 00:47.54 | learner | just the same glitches as before.. |
| 00:48.31 | fiberchunks | choppy motion -- but /lagstats reports no packet lossage, and my lag is usually in the <100 ms range to where I play |
| 00:48.49 | learner | ah, I've seen that too |
| 00:49.03 | fiberchunks | any ideas? only with new client? |
| 00:49.05 | learner | especially when I have a really low ping (> 50) |
| 00:49.11 | fiberchunks | hrm... |
| 00:49.12 | learner | not sure |
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| 00:49.33 | learner | er < 50 |
| 00:49.36 | fiberchunks | I may submit a bug -- but I want to ensure that it actually is bz and not my rig |
| 00:49.59 | fiberchunks | think I'll recompile the new client and run it from gdb from now on :\ |
| 00:50.01 | learner | there's not much to go on to fix it |
| 00:50.25 | fiberchunks | well, this new client has segfaulted on me several times, at least |
| 00:50.40 | learner | ah, now that's easier.. hehehe |
| 00:50.42 | fiberchunks | of course, I'm never running in gdb when this happens (phbbt) |
| 00:50.49 | learner | of course not |
| 00:51.35 | fiberchunks | alrighty -- lemme reup my cvs and recompile... what's the command? autogen.sh; ./configure --enable-debug? that right? |
| 00:51.55 | Tupone | yes |
| 00:52.01 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 00:56.57 | *** part/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-2-45.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 00:58.21 | fiberchunks | learner, wanna make sure I do this correct when I run it from gdb -- what's the usual process? gdb ; file ./bzflag run -directory ../../data -anonymous? |
| 01:02.34 | learner | gdb [exec] |
| 01:02.52 | learner | then "gdb: run [args] |
| 01:03.13 | learner | gdb ./bzflag |
| 01:03.28 | learner | gdb: run -directory ../../data -anonymous |
| 01:04.43 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 01:05.11 | learner | what you said works too, cept "file ./bzflag" is a separate command |
| 01:05.34 | fiberchunks | right, knew that ;) |
| 01:12.30 | bzgirl | learner: wheres irissi? |
| 01:12.41 | learner | he left.. :) |
| 01:12.44 | bzgirl | :) |
| 01:13.04 | learner | he'll be back monday around noon.. :) |
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| 01:15.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 01:17.22 | learner | anyone know how to get ibot to chain commands together? |
| 01:18.02 | fiberchunks | wb patlabor221 |
| 01:35.03 | patlabor221 | thanks |
| 01:35.14 | patlabor221 | learner what do you mean, chain? |
| 01:37.52 | patlabor221 | yay, new bed is up and installed :) no more sleepin on the floor :) |
| 01:39.13 | fiberchunks | congratulations |
| 01:39.16 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 01:39.22 | patlabor221 | f'n thing was HEaVY |
| 01:39.22 | fiberchunks | did you see my ugly mug on bzbb? |
| 01:39.35 | bzgirl | i did fiberchunks :) |
| 01:39.40 | patlabor221 | yeah, good thing you don't have that beard stripe anymore :) |
| 01:39.44 | patlabor221 | and yeah we do look similar |
| 01:39.56 | fiberchunks | heh, I used to have a much longer beard, and ridiculously longer hair ;) |
| 01:39.59 | bzgirl | that skinny goat |
| 01:40.14 | patlabor221 | I never let mine get long at all |
| 01:40.16 | fiberchunks | ahem -- moment of un-pc -- 'the flavor saver' if you please ;) |
| 01:40.29 | learner | lol, fiber |
| 01:40.38 | learner | never heard that one before.. :) |
| 01:41.30 | fiberchunks | sorry, bzgirl, didn't mean to offend ya -- I'm just a guy :\ :) |
| 01:41.58 | bzgirl | fiberchunks: it was over my head anyhow |
| 01:42.04 | fiberchunks | good ;) |
| 01:42.18 | learner | over mine too -- I thought you were talking about food.. :| |
| 01:42.27 | fiberchunks | I was |
| 01:42.34 | learner | yeah.. |
| 01:42.43 | bzgirl | un-pc > |
| 01:42.45 | bzgirl | ? |
| 01:42.46 | fiberchunks | that's where I store the little pizza bits that fall off ;) |
| 01:42.58 | fiberchunks | nm, one day it'll come |
| 01:43.11 | bzgirl | omg |
| 01:43.35 | fiberchunks | whoops, methinks you got it |
| 01:43.38 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 01:43.57 | bzgirl | :) |
| 01:44.40 | fiberchunks | my college buddies had all manner of names for goatees |
| 01:45.14 | bzgirl | go on |
| 01:45.24 | mmu_man | ok, night |
| 01:45.24 | bzgirl | now im curious |
| 01:45.31 | mmu_man | don't forget my patch :) |
| 01:46.08 | learner | I don't think you *really* want to know, girl.. |
| 01:47.24 | bzgirl | we have names too you know |
| 01:47.46 | patlabor221 | such as? |
| 01:48.11 | learner | oo, this I have to hear.. :) |
| 01:48.44 | bzgirl | some other time , when im drunk maybe :) |
| 01:48.51 | learner | pick up that bottle |
| 01:48.57 | learner | :) |
| 01:50.19 | bzgirl | do you ever play bz drunk? |
| 01:50.21 | fiberchunks | 1 bottle of tequila later, no hangover, no drunkenness -- very agitated fiber :\ |
| 01:50.28 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 01:50.38 | bzgirl | asdf was hammered today i think |
| 01:50.44 | bzgirl | he was hilarious |
| 01:50.46 | patlabor221 | I wrote most of BZEdit drunk |
| 01:50.52 | bzgirl | ha |
| 01:51.00 | learner | lol, really? that's funny |
| 01:51.08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:51.27 | patlabor221 | that's why when I came back to fix the bugs later it was "who the hell wrote this" |
| 01:51.30 | learner | was asdf winning? :) |
| 01:51.37 | bzgirl | yup |
| 01:51.39 | learner | pat: heh |
| 01:51.58 | bzgirl | learner: but he was all freindly and chatty |
| 01:52.10 | patlabor221 | a fair number of people play EQ drunk |
| 01:52.14 | learner | lol, must have been drunk, indeed |
| 01:52.17 | patlabor221 | they are funny |
| 01:52.34 | fiberchunks | too bad it's too difficult to properly slur your speech in typing ;) |
| 01:52.43 | patlabor221 | Ive seen it |
| 01:52.52 | bzgirl | i blurt out stupid stuff |
| 01:52.52 | learner | yyesss occiffer |
| 01:52.59 | fiberchunks | hehehe |
| 01:52.59 | bzgirl | well, more so than normal |
| 01:56.13 | fiberchunks | back |
| 01:56.22 | fiberchunks | he's a happy iguana tonight :) |
| 02:02.19 | patlabor221 | BZ needs bump maping, and volumetic lighing like halo2 |
| 02:05.36 | fiberchunks | it needs to be: 'bump mapped for your protection' ;) |
| 02:05.56 | patlabor221 | for great justice |
| 02:06.06 | patlabor221 | have you seen the halo2 game footage? |
| 02:06.21 | patlabor221 | I did not know you could push that thru a little gf2 |
| 02:06.24 | patlabor221 | sorry gf3 |
| 02:06.39 | learner | heh heh, okay -- how about closest to hs? or earlier? |
| 02:07.08 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 02:07.22 | patlabor221 | tho I don't think we will ever see it on a PC or mac |
| 02:07.53 | patlabor221 | http://www.o1.com/halo/ |
| 02:07.59 | fiberchunks | what learner, pics? |
| 02:08.19 | learner | nvr mind, fiber |
| 02:08.30 | learner | historic saga |
| 02:10.09 | patlabor221 | halo 1 on the PC is to ship on my birthday, the godess has destined me to play this game |
| 02:10.11 | fiberchunks | can one of you explain why I see silly little boxes with numbers in each corner, instead of like kanji, etc? |
| 02:10.23 | fiberchunks | linux of course, is me os |
| 02:10.29 | patlabor221 | joo got no font |
| 02:11.35 | fiberchunks | mee want ums fontiage |
| 02:11.44 | fiberchunks | happy joy fun ball fontage |
| 02:12.08 | fiberchunks | hrm - wonder what pkg the big-5 fonts and all that jazz are in |
| 02:16.45 | captain_proton | eep |
| 02:17.00 | patlabor221 | I'm scared dave.... will I dream? |
| 02:17.07 | captain_proton | you'll dream |
| 02:17.10 | captain_proton | you'll dream GOOD |
| 02:17.24 | learner | lol, cap |
| 02:17.24 | patlabor221 | sw33t with a capital 3 |
| 02:18.26 | fiberchunks | oooo, patlabor221, going with da gentoo? ;) good on ya |
| 02:18.53 | patlabor221 | well I see no installer so allreayd I am in full blown terror mode |
| 02:19.08 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 02:19.25 | fiberchunks | hehehehehe, lol |
| 02:19.36 | fiberchunks | read the docs luke, read the docs |
| 02:19.46 | patlabor221 | that's what I have been dooing |
| 02:19.50 | fiberchunks | good man |
| 02:20.23 | fiberchunks | i'll be on prob all night...so if you've q, just /msg me or sumthin |
| 02:20.48 | fiberchunks | I think I'm developing a slow case of creeping chikorititis |
| 02:21.08 | patlabor221 | well I can't install the filters here to fix it |
| 02:21.16 | fiberchunks | :) |
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| 02:23.38 | patlabor221 | buy the godess this is a lot of stuff |
| 02:23.49 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 02:23.54 | captain_proton | buy the goddess? |
| 02:24.03 | fiberchunks | heh, he's regression captain_proton :) |
| 02:24.04 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 02:24.10 | fiberchunks | *regressing, even |
| 02:24.15 | patlabor221 | I am? |
| 02:24.38 | fiberchunks | tech is becoming overpowering -- therefore revert to old ways -- pretty soon you'll be wearing a toga ;) |
| 02:24.59 | patlabor221 | not nesisarialy |
| 02:25.16 | patlabor221 | TCP/IP could be considerd a force of nature |
| 02:38.49 | patlabor221 | man this is SOOOOOOO PURDY |
| 02:38.53 | patlabor221 | cap must see this |
| 02:39.07 | fiberchunks | what is it? |
| 02:39.09 | captain_proton | ? |
| 02:39.47 | patlabor221 | halo2 high res footage |
| 02:40.03 | patlabor221 | http://www.o1.com/halo/ |
| 02:40.13 | captain_proton | hah |
| 02:40.18 | captain_proton | i got an apology from spiff |
| 02:40.30 | captain_proton | saying he's been looking back and realized that he reacted badly to, well, everything |
| 02:42.41 | captain_proton | hm |
| 02:42.47 | captain_proton | must not be a very popular file at the moment |
| 02:43.06 | patlabor221 | o2 has some bandwith for this :) |
| 02:43.18 | captain_proton | well |
| 02:43.26 | captain_proton | i'm pulling 115kbps over the torrent |
| 02:43.35 | patlabor221 | hey don't complain |
| 02:44.20 | captain_proton | if it was popular, i'd be seeing 300, maybe 400kbps |
| 02:45.26 | captain_proton | ah, up to 175 |
| 02:46.14 | patlabor221 | good lord, they did DOF in the engine too |
| 03:00.57 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 03:01.03 | captain_proton | sound on the wmv9 one is off |
| 03:11.16 | bryjen | bzadmin, she no link |
| 03:12.26 | bryjen | Ah. there's no longer a lib/ in bzflag/ just like there's no more bin/ |
| 03:16.21 | bryjen | there we go |
| 03:22.12 | bryjen | ~bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
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| 03:42.41 | captain_proton | patlabor221: eh, reasonably pretty |
| 03:44.58 | patlabor221 | for a GF3 |
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| 04:11.07 | patlabor221 | why would dS make a poll on thread locking? there have been like squat for locks in the forum |
| 04:11.23 | bzgirl | i just read that yeah |
| 04:11.29 | bzgirl | thought he left too |
| 04:11.44 | patlabor221 | I dono his post that was locked was like from january too |
| 04:11.48 | learner | hehe, you could lock the poll.. :) |
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| 04:12.00 | patlabor221 | ohh don't tell me I didn't think about it |
| 04:12.15 | patlabor221 | we had 2 locks yestday but that is like a SUPER rare event |
| 04:12.24 | patlabor221 | and that would have goten ugly |
| 04:12.31 | learner | no kidding |
| 04:12.44 | learner | looks like they're cooling over somewhat, though |
| 04:12.58 | patlabor221 | yeah they are, and that's good |
| 04:13.03 | patlabor221 | that is one thing a lock helps |
| 04:13.08 | patlabor221 | gives them some time |
| 04:13.28 | patlabor221 | it's easy to reply angry |
| 04:13.47 | patlabor221 | but most people won't make a thread just to say "no your a wanker..." |
| 04:14.36 | *** kick/#bzflag [fiberchunks!~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-64.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by patlabor221 (no you are.) |
| 04:14.41 | learner | LOL |
| 04:14.41 | patlabor221 | :P |
| 04:15.36 | bzgirl | he'll be back |
| 04:15.41 | bzgirl | they all come back |
| 04:15.42 | patlabor221 | wow no autorejoin for him |
| 04:15.44 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~frobozzpf@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 04:15.45 | patlabor221 | yeah |
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| 04:18.44 | patlabor221 | It could be a mallet of justice |
| 04:18.46 | fiberchunks | phbbt -- kick me |
| 04:18.47 | patlabor221 | that would work too |
| 04:19.03 | *** kick/#bzflag [fiberchunks!~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-64.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by patlabor221 (Double Dukes!!!!!) |
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| 04:19.23 | patlabor221 | I'm guessing that was NOT the auto join function |
| 04:19.30 | fiberchunks | rat bastich! ;) |
| 04:19.55 | fiberchunks | there, auto rejoin is enabled -- do it, I double-dog dare ya ;) |
| 04:20.14 | learner | do it |
| 04:20.14 | *** kick/#bzflag [fiberchunks!~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-64.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by patlabor221 (My feet hurt..... WITH DESTINY!!!!) |
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| 04:20.15 | *** kick/#bzflag [fiberchunks!~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com] by captain_proton (captain_proton) |
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| 04:20.19 | fiberchunks | har har |
| 04:20.20 | captain_proton | oops my finger slipped |
| 04:20.24 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:20.24 | captain_proton | =} |
| 04:20.25 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:20.37 | fiberchunks | evil ops, eviiiiiillllllll ooooopppppppssssss. |
| 04:20.44 | patlabor221 | tho I have found something better then kick |
| 04:20.53 | fiberchunks | don't ban me, por favor |
| 04:20.54 | patlabor221 | do a /mode +q |
| 04:20.58 | patlabor221 | nope not a ban |
| 04:21.04 | fiberchunks | what is that, the quiet mode |
| 04:21.10 | bzgirl | it silences him? |
| 04:21.39 | patlabor221 | yeah:) |
| 04:21.43 | patlabor221 | no talky |
| 04:21.51 | patlabor221 | did you lock him cap? |
| 04:22.00 | bzgirl | whats +v for ? |
| 04:22.01 | captain_proton | no lock |
| 04:22.12 | captain_proton | bzgirl: allows one to talk if the channel is moderated |
| 04:22.17 | captain_proton | i lub /mode +q |
| 04:22.20 | patlabor221 | I mean the topic he was refering to |
| 04:22.25 | captain_proton | its the one thing the freenode people did right |
| 04:22.30 | creeperz | Give. Me. Voice! |
| 04:22.37 | captain_proton | patlabor221: its dS's post about locking |
| 04:22.40 | captain_proton | creeperz: no |
| 04:22.44 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:22.46 | patlabor221 | voice isn't used here |
| 04:22.47 | creeperz | I tried |
| 04:22.51 | creeperz | I know |
| 04:22.55 | creeperz | Not +m |
| 04:22.59 | fiberchunks | does that prevent you from speaking in the channel? or just silences everything you type? |
| 04:23.08 | patlabor221 | cap I know, but the one he had locked was in like freakin january |
| 04:23.09 | creeperz | Noone hears |
| 04:23.12 | patlabor221 | so it can't be you |
| 04:23.17 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: mode +q silences |
| 04:23.20 | creeperz | Change your nick to Cell to try |
| 04:23.28 | patlabor221 | no that will autoban him |
| 04:23.31 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:23.36 | creeperz | Will it? |
| 04:23.41 | patlabor221 | hell yeah |
| 04:23.44 | captain_proton | you can try it in #only-commits |
| 04:23.51 | captain_proton | where we've got a /mode +q *!*@* |
| 04:23.53 | captain_proton | =} |
| 04:23.57 | patlabor221 | BBJ will kick in and ban ya |
| 04:24.05 | creeperz | BBJ |
| 04:24.11 | creeperz | ? |
| 04:24.26 | patlabor221 | Big Boot o' Justice |
| 04:24.33 | creeperz | Ah |
| 04:24.35 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:24.41 | patlabor221 | the BBJ is ever watchfull |
| 04:24.49 | creeperz | Can't it be BGJ? |
| 04:25.04 | creeperz | Gloves hurt more :-) |
| 04:25.19 | creeperz | Leather ones in particular |
| 04:25.19 | captain_proton | the sunshine delay is when the traffic slows down because the sun is in your eyes |
| 04:25.19 | patlabor221 | no, I think steel toes do. |
| 04:25.27 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:25.29 | captain_proton | on days like today, you should be lucky to make it home in the first place |
| 04:25.34 | captain_proton | man, what a great group |
| 04:25.36 | creeperz | steel toe boot of justice |
| 04:25.46 | captain_proton | steel toes are overrated |
| 04:25.50 | captain_proton | gimme a ninja sock anyday |
| 04:26.03 | creeperz | ...I made a sword |
| 04:26.05 | patlabor221 | well boots also kick in more "sensitve" areas then gloves do |
| 04:26.21 | creeperz | :-) Gloves don't kick |
| 04:26.27 | patlabor221 | areas that involve the word "bojangles" |
| 04:26.32 | captain_proton | patlabor221: depends how you use the glove |
| 04:26.46 | patlabor221 | yes but then you are like freaky |
| 04:27.00 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:27.01 | patlabor221 | oh wait, this is Cap I am talking to :) |
| 04:27.03 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> what do you use to burn discs (gui), in gentoo, anything, or are you a cli type guy? |
| 04:27.15 | fiberchunks | BOJANGLES! |
| 04:27.34 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/sunshine_delay.ogg |
| 04:27.49 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: for data CDs i use straight-up mkisofs/cdrecord |
| 04:27.56 | fiberchunks | what bout audio |
| 04:28.02 | fiberchunks | primarily mp3/ogg |
| 04:28.04 | captain_proton | for audio cds, i use gcombust |
| 04:28.14 | fiberchunks | that's the name of it -- thx, forgot |
| 04:28.17 | captain_proton | but usually decompress to wav first |
| 04:28.35 | captain_proton | and thats mostly because i've not taken the time to figure out how to do audio cds right with the cli tools |
| 04:28.59 | fiberchunks | yah, I'll do that soon, I like cli better anyway, less chance of borkage |
| 04:29.01 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 04:29.12 | fiberchunks | more control too |
| 04:29.39 | captain_proton | mostly the reason i use cdrecord is because i started doing cd stuff before the GUI clients were any good |
| 04:29.50 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 04:29.52 | captain_proton | this song is great too |
| 04:30.06 | patlabor221 | put them in the bfoj!!! |
| 04:30.08 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/c64.ogg |
| 04:30.55 | captain_proton | knocks on the door....please don't disturb me, i'm here with my c64 |
| 04:31.54 | captain_proton | its like geeks making pop music! |
| 04:32.39 | fiberchunks | burnin burnin burnin -- let's see if I make coasters |
| 04:32.55 | patlabor221 | shushh cap, your interupting albion....... |
| 04:32.57 | fiberchunks | bfoj will get some goodies tonight, methinks |
| 04:33.08 | captain_proton | expand 'bfoj' |
| 04:33.20 | patlabor221 | we need to get folder borowsin on in there |
| 04:33.25 | fiberchunks | big folder o justice |
| 04:33.28 | captain_proton | ah |
| 04:33.37 | patlabor221 | cap you have access to /home/bfoj on the asgardness |
| 04:33.38 | captain_proton | its called /navi/public/media |
| 04:33.41 | fiberchunks | patlabor221> yes, but /me is not the best person to do that too |
| 04:34.02 | fiberchunks | I think it's just ListIndex <bool> or some such thing |
| 04:34.13 | fiberchunks | no, AllowIndex <bool> |
| 04:34.14 | patlabor221 | or maybe some sort of php thing that lets you browse them |
| 04:34.25 | fiberchunks | sumthin like that |
| 04:35.48 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> you ever looked into dvdr devices + linux? found any compatible ones? |
| 04:40.40 | fiberchunks | huzzah! no coasters here! ;) |
| 04:41.50 | captain_proton | there ya go |
| 04:41.52 | captain_proton | indexes ;) |
| 04:42.01 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: there are probably bunches that work |
| 04:43.55 | fiberchunks | right on |
| 04:43.59 | patlabor221 | dosn't work for the root cap |
| 04:44.26 | patlabor221 | tho probalby should put it all in a music folder |
| 04:44.31 | fiberchunks | hrm -- why is bfoj.bakadigital.com redirecting me to the test page |
| 04:44.40 | captain_proton | thats because there's an index.html |
| 04:44.46 | patlabor221 | I took out the index |
| 04:44.51 | fiberchunks | oh |
| 04:44.52 | patlabor221 | now it goes to test page |
| 04:44.53 | captain_proton | oh |
| 04:44.54 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:45.13 | fiberchunks | so now what? |
| 04:45.15 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:45.38 | patlabor221 | wait like 3 min, he'll ninja fix it, he's like that |
| 04:45.48 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:47.02 | fiberchunks | hey, sftp, if I ship a dir of tuneage -- do I have to put it mode +b or any voodoo of that nature? |
| 04:47.14 | captain_proton | +b? |
| 04:47.17 | fiberchunks | binary |
| 04:47.27 | captain_proton | i don't think sftp knows the difference |
| 04:47.32 | fiberchunks | mkay, cool |
| 04:47.36 | captain_proton | and specifically on non-windows, there is no difference |
| 04:48.43 | bryjen | do you often talk to command line tools? |
| 04:49.33 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 04:49.37 | learner | ~rose |
| 04:49.40 | learner | ~bag |
| 04:49.41 | | bag is used to buffer data. URL: http://www.foi.hr/~dpavlin/projects/bag/ |
| 04:49.42 | learner | ~bzg |
| 04:51.56 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 04:52.43 | fiberchunks | well, this could take a night or so |
| 04:53.51 | captain_proton | patlabor221: can the web server go down for a minute? :) |
| 04:54.10 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 04:54.21 | patlabor221 | as long as it comes back :) |
| 04:54.27 | learner | heh |
| 04:55.11 | patlabor221 | damn forgot how hard it was to draw freehand with a mouse, I wish I had rememberd to bring the tablet home |
| 04:56.35 | bzgirl | whats the fasted way to copy a bunch of mp3's to your server? i used scp, but i guess its encrypting them |
| 04:56.42 | bzgirl | took forever |
| 04:56.58 | fiberchunks | same thing I'm doin |
| 04:57.01 | bzgirl | looking at rsync now |
| 04:57.30 | patlabor221 | you can try FTP, it's installed |
| 04:57.35 | patlabor221 | I don't know if I have rsync |
| 04:58.53 | learner | "fastest" way? that would be ttcp |
| 04:59.04 | patlabor221 | none of you are in the FTPs chroot of Doom |
| 04:59.08 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:59.12 | bzgirl | :) |
| 04:59.20 | learner | it's a raw tcp packet shoveler |
| 04:59.45 | bzgirl | learner: i want the files to ariive safe and sound |
| 04:59.57 | learner | it's still reliable |
| 05:00.10 | bryjen | heh. sound. |
| 05:00.29 | learner | do you have ttcp installed? |
| 05:01.08 | captain_proton | arg |
| 05:01.16 | captain_proton | it got messed up when i ran it in debug mode |
| 05:01.21 | captain_proton | left an shm segment hanging :P |
| 05:01.41 | bzgirl | learner: me? |
| 05:01.48 | learner | ttcp is one of those old core tools like, ping, yes you bag |
| 05:01.55 | learner | ack! |
| 05:01.58 | bzgirl | grr |
| 05:01.59 | learner | girl |
| 05:01.59 | patlabor221 | bag? |
| 05:02.08 | bryjen | ~dict bag |
| 05:02.10 | learner | [removes foot from mouth] |
| 05:02.12 | fiberchunks | wow |
| 05:02.17 | captain_proton | there we go |
| 05:02.21 | captain_proton | all fixored up |
| 05:02.40 | patlabor221 | ooooo thanks cap |
| 05:02.47 | learner | girl: ttcp -r > filename |
| 05:02.55 | learner | on the recipient end |
| 05:02.59 | learner | then |
| 05:03.16 | captain_proton | ...bag? |
| 05:03.24 | learner | ttcp -s [hostname] < filename |
| 05:03.31 | learner | on the sender's end |
| 05:03.35 | fiberchunks | should slap an .htaccess file on that dir |
| 05:03.38 | captain_proton | bzgirl: is there something you're not telling us? :} |
| 05:03.59 | bzgirl | prot: it was a typo :) |
| 05:04.53 | bzgirl | :) |
| 05:05.02 | learner | ha ha cap |
| 05:05.09 | learner | :P |
| 05:05.39 | fiberchunks | smurf theme? |
| 05:05.51 | bryjen | erk. gDict returns stuff from "Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)". lotsa current usage examples in there I'm sure. |
| 05:06.25 | captain_proton | bryjen: out of copyright :) |
| 05:06.40 | fiberchunks | thy participle doth hangeth |
| 05:07.10 | patlabor221 | listen to it |
| 05:07.14 | patlabor221 | it makes brain hirt |
| 05:07.16 | patlabor221 | hurt |
| 05:07.23 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:07.42 | patlabor221 | it's smurf techno |
| 05:08.28 | patlabor221 | the dot hack stuff is good, cap can testify on it's accord. |
| 05:08.33 | patlabor221 | maybe it's prelude too |
| 05:09.02 | fiberchunks | ooo, shift all that other goodness on bfoj |
| 05:09.55 | patlabor221 | it is |
| 05:09.59 | patlabor221 | look in da root |
| 05:10.04 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:10.11 | patlabor221 | I should put mac pluss up there too, it' has goodness |
| 05:12.18 | fiberchunks | hrmph -- can't seek on /dev/hdb -- how then, can I modify the partition table -- any ideas, cap? |
| 05:13.01 | captain_proton | run fdisk |
| 05:14.46 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> heh, fdisk is the one giving the error :\ |
| 05:14.57 | captain_proton | ooh not at all |
| 05:15.01 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: use the offline-type one |
| 05:15.15 | captain_proton | boot disk! |
| 05:15.15 | fiberchunks | what, drop into single user mode? |
| 05:15.21 | fiberchunks | ah, phbbt |
| 05:15.38 | fiberchunks | it's not a disk I'm working with, or is mounted -- makes no sense to me |
| 05:15.47 | captain_proton | this song is so touching |
| 05:15.53 | patlabor221 | it's got about 7 gigs I think |
| 05:16.07 | captain_proton | about a kid who falls in love with a 25-year old sexy sweedish sysadmin |
| 05:16.09 | patlabor221 | I'm geting another drive to go in there as well soon |
| 05:16.16 | captain_proton | and starts phreaking so he can make the long distance calls to her bbs :) |
| 05:16.23 | learner | on the receiving end, you do: ttcp -r | tar xvpf - |
| 05:16.45 | captain_proton | err...32 :) |
| 05:18.26 | bzgirl | learner: wrong window |
| 05:18.57 | fiberchunks | 3 parts of leary are in the bfoj now |
| 05:19.12 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:19.13 | patlabor221 | I should put Eddie Izzard up there |
| 05:19.20 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i lub your response to my wanker comment :) |
| 05:19.34 | patlabor221 | we can lock it now :) |
| 05:19.51 | captain_proton | i think fiberchunks should intervene :) |
| 05:20.04 | captain_proton | since you and i obviously can't handle ourselves |
| 05:20.28 | patlabor221 | not untill one of us calles the other a "cleft eyed donkey wrangeler" |
| 05:20.38 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:21.00 | fiberchunks | I'll lock it ;) |
| 05:21.09 | fiberchunks | no I won't, I'll let it run it's course |
| 05:21.13 | fiberchunks | or will I |
| 05:21.14 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 05:21.15 | captain_proton | so apparently in gold hill (where my family lived up until i was about 2 years old), there was a communal donkey |
| 05:21.19 | captain_proton | named tweedles |
| 05:21.25 | fiberchunks | ROFL |
| 05:21.32 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 05:21.34 | captain_proton | and it would wander around |
| 05:21.36 | patlabor221 | communal? |
| 05:21.37 | captain_proton | and people would feed it |
| 05:21.41 | fiberchunks | tweedles the communal donkey -- you should name the next release that |
| 05:21.59 | captain_proton | nobody owned it :) |
| 05:22.35 | fiberchunks | new and improved bzflag - 'tweedles the communal donkey' ;) |
| 05:22.38 | fiberchunks | whew |
| 05:24.53 | *** join/#bzflag NinjaSocks (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-64.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:24.59 | fiberchunks | hey cap, if I did dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hdb -- that should frag that disk, and hopefully fix the part table right? |
| 05:25.10 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 05:25.18 | fiberchunks | mounted, or unmounted |
| 05:25.18 | captain_proton | "cannot seek" sounds like a more serious situation |
| 05:25.21 | NinjaSocks | well then I guess I should not have stuck my foot in the open PC |
| 05:25.25 | captain_proton | perhaps one that would consider rebooting for |
| 05:25.28 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:25.54 | fiberchunks | thing is -- the disk is perfectly readable, mountable, etc -- I think the old mandrake disk partitioning tool hosered up it's part table |
| 05:25.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 05:26.17 | captain_proton | the scientists and engineers have managed to condense my very essense |
| 05:26.18 | fiberchunks | so if I just overwrote the first 512 bytes of /dev/hdb -- then perhaps fdisk could handle it... |
| 05:26.24 | captain_proton | i've fallen in love with my replicant.... |
| 05:27.14 | captain_proton | ooh Patlabor221 you have to listen to this song |
| 05:27.40 | captain_proton | http://bzflag.net:3000/obsoletion.ogg |
| 05:28.44 | Patlabor221 | I ain't clickin on shit till this iso burns |
| 05:28.49 | *** join/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 05:29.45 | fiberchunks | well, we'll give the dd idea a shot |
| 05:29.57 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:30.27 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> are you burnin in linux or winderz? |
| 05:31.37 | captain_proton | ooooooooooooooooooooooooooAAAAAAAAAAAAoooooooooooooooooooo |
| 05:31.48 | Patlabor221 | win |
| 05:31.56 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:31.59 | Patlabor221 | the only thing that has a burner in it now |
| 05:32.17 | fiberchunks | heh, too bad there's no nice in windows ;) |
| 05:32.43 | captain_proton | you know a band is good when they have songs with names such as "robot trouble" |
| 05:33.07 | bryjen | will the process list in task manager let you fiddle with priorities? |
| 05:33.33 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:33.42 | captain_proton | i don't think windows has sexy I/O scheduling |
| 05:33.43 | Patlabor221 | the problem was not software |
| 05:33.51 | Patlabor221 | it was wetware |
| 05:34.15 | fiberchunks | 'why don't we drink soooommmmeeee very seeeexxxxxxyyyyyy wiininiiinnnnneeeee' |
| 05:34.19 | Patlabor221 | foot----->Open side of PC-----------> sound card. |
| 05:34.27 | captain_proton | =} |
| 05:34.36 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> dd worked |
| 05:36.24 | captain_proton | we really need to have a big #bzflag party sometime |
| 05:36.39 | captain_proton | when people have money to travel a bit :) |
| 05:37.21 | fiberchunks | colorado? hell, I'll go there anytime |
| 05:37.26 | captain_proton | although the germans would get left out :P |
| 05:37.54 | captain_proton | colorado isn't really 'west' |
| 05:38.01 | captain_proton | and i personally am east of the continental divide |
| 05:38.03 | captain_proton | ;) |
| 05:38.12 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 05:38.15 | learner | ~bzg |
| 05:38.17 | learner | ~rose |
| 05:38.30 | Patlabor221 | I'm west |
| 05:38.38 | captain_proton | learner: can you do your server queries in a /msg to ibot? |
| 05:38.39 | Patlabor221 | like the westyiest |
| 05:38.43 | captain_proton | right |
| 05:38.48 | captain_proton | any westier |
| 05:38.53 | captain_proton | and he'd be in puget sound |
| 05:38.56 | captain_proton | and you know what that means |
| 05:38.58 | learner | sure, cap |
| 05:39.46 | captain_proton | hm |
| 05:39.58 | captain_proton | anyone up for a half hour or so on bzgirl's decks? =) |
| 05:40.04 | Patlabor221 | no I would have to be northyer |
| 05:40.05 | fiberchunks | heh, it's further west than CT |
| 05:40.15 | fiberchunks | sure |
| 05:40.15 | learner | definately |
| 05:40.18 | fiberchunks | is it public? |
| 05:40.25 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 05:40.36 | learner | oh, you said "decks".. grumble |
| 05:40.45 | captain_proton | learner: something wrong with decks? :) |
| 05:40.55 | bzgirl | learner cant jump :) |
| 05:40.58 | Patlabor221 | yeah cap has snow |
| 05:40.59 | learner | jumping |
| 05:41.04 | learner | hey! |
| 05:41.07 | captain_proton | can't jump? |
| 05:41.13 | fiberchunks | alrighty, when we doin this? |
| 05:41.16 | learner | I _refuse_ to jump -- I can just fine |
| 05:41.34 | bzgirl | oh cmon and jump |
| 05:41.37 | captain_proton | learner: thats a shame, because decks can be a blast when everyone is boinging from platform to platform :) |
| 05:41.40 | fiberchunks | then you drive around on the ground, and we'll be up top - mocking your jumping skillz ;) |
| 05:41.53 | learner | haha, fiber |
| 05:41.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:41.58 | learner | alright |
| 05:42.03 | captain_proton | lesssago |
| 05:42.08 | fiberchunks | righto |
| 05:42.15 | Patlabor221 | he has no mad jump sillz? |
| 05:42.22 | Patlabor221 | hell even I can jump |
| 05:42.38 | Patlabor221 | I can't shoot |
| 05:42.49 | Patlabor221 | I can get shot well tho, I have honed that skill |
| 05:43.20 | captain_proton | bzgirl: is it down? i don't see it in the list? |
| 05:43.41 | bzgirl | its running |
| 05:43.50 | bzgirl | port 6000 |
| 05:44.00 | captain_proton | whats the server name? |
| 05:44.15 | bzgirl | bzgirl.bzflag.org |
| 06:47.40 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-252-175-3.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:48.18 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD9E479FC.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 06:48.43 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:48.52 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-252-175-3.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:49.53 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-252-175-3.client.attbi.com) |
| 06:54.51 | Patlabor221 | everyone's playin |
| 06:55.17 | learner | heh |
| 07:04.59 | Patlabor221 | whoot final score 66 |
| 07:05.01 | Patlabor221 | in the neg |
| 07:05.05 | fiberchunks | well done! ;) |
| 07:05.17 | Patlabor221 | at least I did some killin |
| 07:05.42 | Patlabor221 | and I got a screeny of the list of players |
| 07:08.01 | fiberchunks | jeezus, I never realized how good proton really is at bz |
| 07:08.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah he is |
| 07:08.09 | Patlabor221 | I SUCK :) |
| 07:08.17 | ak|ra | :) |
| 07:08.18 | Patlabor221 | like giant donkey NUZ |
| 07:08.25 | fiberchunks | lol, we all pale in comparison to he, it seems |
| 07:08.34 | Patlabor221 | no realy I suck |
| 07:08.41 | ak|ra | the snowmonkey doesnt pat :) |
| 07:08.44 | Patlabor221 | like the suckyest stuck that ever done suck |
| 07:08.46 | fiberchunks | heheh, that's because you do useful things :) |
| 07:08.53 | Patlabor221 | like get shot? |
| 07:09.11 | fiberchunks | whilst lazy bastards like me sit and play bz all day ;) |
| 07:09.23 | fiberchunks | that too |
| 07:09.46 | Patlabor221 | well at one point you all were just those 3 dots on the top of the tank, as the card lost all the tank lists |
| 07:09.56 | Patlabor221 | so that made it "interesting" |
| 07:10.18 | fiberchunks | yeah, I've seen that before, but it was quite a while ago |
| 07:10.32 | fiberchunks | question: how do the 'world' messages get handled? |
| 07:10.43 | Patlabor221 | they are sent as player -1 |
| 07:10.47 | captain_proton | hehe, i'm rusty |
| 07:10.54 | fiberchunks | player->server->players and then HUD rendered, correct? |
| 07:11.29 | captain_proton | but then again, nobody else remembers the decks moves, so i'm ok |
| 07:11.41 | fiberchunks | or, player->server->players-1 ==> HUD renderer |
| 07:12.10 | captain_proton | ok, wetroom time |
| 07:21.58 | Patlabor221 | I posted a screeny of our scores :) |
| 07:22.05 | fiberchunks | sweet |
| 07:22.10 | fiberchunks | bzbb? |
| 07:22.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:22.16 | Patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=728 |
| 07:22.46 | Patlabor221 | now it is time for sleep |
| 07:22.48 | Patlabor221 | have a good night |
| 07:30.15 | captain_proton | wahoo |
| 07:30.29 | captain_proton | that was fun re-edumacating the community about what bz is really like :) |
| 07:30.36 | fiberchunks | that was a good match -- much fun -- I think 2 shots would've been cooler |
| 07:30.45 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 07:30.49 | captain_proton | its arguable between 1 and 2 |
| 07:30.52 | captain_proton | but never more than 2 |
| 07:31.10 | trepan | killall bzflag |
| 07:31.13 | fiberchunks | man, I like that server -- no flags -- 2 shots - decks -- that's a great format |
| 07:31.20 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 07:31.27 | captain_proton | it was the fave format for about 3 years |
| 07:31.36 | fiberchunks | musta been a while ago hrm? |
| 07:31.58 | fiberchunks | i been playing for 1.5 yrs, and madcity / turkey were the rages then |
| 07:32.58 | trepan | sorry 'bout that, trying to get window minimization for linux... |
| 07:33.21 | captain_proton | it started to lose its following right about 1.75 years ago |
| 07:33.32 | captain_proton | and was just winding down as you started |
| 07:33.36 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:34.02 | captain_proton | its hard to get new people to accept it though |
| 07:34.05 | fiberchunks | yeah, I vaguely remember a decks server -- perhaps bamf, or someone |
| 07:34.09 | fiberchunks | hosted it |
| 07:34.12 | captain_proton | because they refuse to join a server with less than 10 shots |
| 07:34.15 | fiberchunks | played there a few times |
| 07:34.19 | fiberchunks | bah -- I like it |
| 07:34.27 | fiberchunks | oh that's right ;) |
| 07:34.29 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:35.00 | captain_proton | but the sad part is that once they play a real game there, they love it |
| 07:35.16 | fiberchunks | yeah, true true |
| 07:36.29 | captain_proton | i no longer have any interest in servers where score is accumulated by chance |
| 07:37.40 | captain_proton | hee |
| 07:37.47 | fiberchunks | well, avoiding the hundreds of bullets is tough on a big-shot server -- but the real thing with those is the flaggage -- you couldn't have a match like the one we just had on a 10 shotter |
| 07:38.02 | captain_proton | i dunno |
| 07:38.09 | captain_proton | at one point i tried no-flags 10 shot decks |
| 07:38.13 | captain_proton | worked decently well |
| 07:38.30 | fiberchunks | oi, dunno if I could handle 10 shot decks ;) |
| 07:38.42 | captain_proton | the biggest thing is that no matter where you are, you can jump without worrying about landing back down on your attacker's bullets |
| 07:38.45 | captain_proton | so they have to chase you |
| 07:38.52 | fiberchunks | that's true |
| 07:39.14 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-202-1-3-2.w81-50.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:39.23 | captain_proton | but when talking gameplay, nothing beats 1-2 shot |
| 07:39.49 | fiberchunks | and determination of true skill |
| 07:40.20 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (dennis@blade3.cs.auc.dk) |
| 07:40.24 | captain_proton | except where people start doing what spiff was doing and camp out on top, waiting for people to jump up into his bullets |
| 07:40.46 | fiberchunks | heheh, you two were surprisingly civil this evening ;) |
| 07:40.52 | captain_proton | eh |
| 07:40.59 | captain_proton | i think he finally realized that i have nothing against him |
| 07:41.04 | captain_proton | and that i'm always joking |
| 07:42.03 | captain_proton | so when i was talking at him about it, i wasn't saying "you bastard, stop being a coward and get down here", i was trying to guide him to the TROO PATH |
| 07:42.32 | fiberchunks | lol -- so he could be l337 ! ;) |
| 07:42.40 | captain_proton | yes! |
| 07:43.40 | captain_proton | haha |
| 07:43.47 | captain_proton | pat's screenie has me saying "get down here, spiffy boy" |
| 07:43.48 | captain_proton | :) |
| 07:43.52 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 07:43.59 | fiberchunks | and I'm fargin [nr] |
| 07:44.02 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 07:44.05 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:44.29 | captain_proton | in other news, the server list cache in action is really freakin cool |
| 07:44.39 | fiberchunks | I've noticed -- and I'm not sure at this point whether it's my rig or the new client -- lockups, seg faults, and other thangs |
| 07:44.49 | fiberchunks | yeah, that is a nice feature |
| 07:45.16 | captain_proton | have you been tracking cvs or just started to use g1 recently? |
| 07:46.08 | fiberchunks | just got the latest cvs tonight -- but been mucking with the other post IRON FIST cvs builds as well |
| 07:46.20 | captain_proton | did you use it pre IRON FIST? |
| 07:46.21 | fiberchunks | haven't really put any concerted bug hunting effort into it though |
| 07:46.25 | fiberchunks | oh yes |
| 07:46.37 | captain_proton | any problems pre fist? |
| 07:46.42 | fiberchunks | was much more stable on my system, imho -- the one on my laptop is uber solid |
| 07:46.57 | fiberchunks | which is the 'true' 1.7g1 + a couple of older cvs'ngs |
| 07:47.48 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 07:47.57 | captain_proton | well if you can get me tracebacks of segfaults, i can try to fix them |
| 07:48.02 | fiberchunks | like I say, not sure if it's my system or not -- |
| 07:48.19 | fiberchunks | yeah -- I'm planning on compiling it debug, and running it from gdb for the next couple of weeks |
| 07:48.46 | captain_proton | i haven't personally encountered any release-critical bugs |
| 07:49.54 | fiberchunks | welp -- release the bad boy -- it's prob my oc'd system -- dunno |
| 07:49.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 07:50.17 | fiberchunks | but imma put it in debug mode tomorrow and see if I can't catch it segfaulting a few times |
| 07:51.27 | fiberchunks | it's seg'd on my about 7 times since I got the newest (read: since 2 days ago), builds |
| 07:51.38 | fiberchunks | and it's hung about 3 (soft hangs) |
| 07:51.55 | fiberchunks | reminiscent of the 1.7e series -- those types of bugs |
| 07:52.51 | captain_proton | ohh overclocking? |
| 07:52.52 | captain_proton | bleah |
| 07:53.16 | fiberchunks | extremely mild -- every other 3d app (including the prev. bzflag) was / is rock solid |
| 07:54.57 | fiberchunks | I think I may get an old version of bz, compile it, and try it out - to see if it is the hardware or not -- would that serve as a valid test for you? |
| 07:55.06 | fiberchunks | like a 1.7g0 version |
| 07:55.17 | captain_proton | well, mebbe |
| 07:55.29 | captain_proton | i can't -do- anything without tracebacks / profiles |
| 07:55.50 | fiberchunks | right, understand, but I mean from a 'is my hardware, or is bz at fault' perspective |
| 07:56.24 | captain_proton | it could be that the new bz does something weird that the old one doesn't (video card, etc), and thus it might be both |
| 07:57.00 | fiberchunks | ah -- hrm... well, I'll fiddle this weekend and try to get things to behave badly -- and hopefully capture all the data I can for you |
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| 08:18.52 | fiberchunks_ | sorry, router is crapping out -- think I found the source of my damned bz hangs -- this POS f***in linksys router |
| 08:19.08 | captain_proton | :P |
| 08:19.48 | fiberchunks_ | any suggestions for a high-quality, relatively low-priced, 100% linux and UDP capable router? |
| 08:20.42 | captain_proton | not really |
| 08:20.48 | captain_proton | at home i've got a newish linksys |
| 08:20.55 | captain_proton | and at work we use either cisco or openbsd |
| 08:21.03 | fiberchunks_ | hrm |
| 08:21.08 | fiberchunks_ | dammit! |
| 08:22.32 | fiberchunks_ | dammit - brb |
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| 08:23.11 | fiberchunks | that's better :\ |
| 08:23.31 | fiberchunks | I'll have to quiz pl tomorrow, he recommended one to me once, but I can't remember the name |
| 08:25.08 | captain_proton | larsl: it technically wasn't a protocol breaking change |
| 08:25.26 | larsl | But older clients can 'cheat'. |
| 08:25.41 | larsl | They capture flags by driving in under the base. |
| 08:25.49 | captain_proton | at the time people actually upgraded their software |
| 08:26.06 | larsl | I'm playing against someone with 1.7e2 right now. |
| 08:26.15 | captain_proton | :P |
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| 10:08.00 | Mayhem | hi all |
| 10:09.39 | Mayhem | Thinking out loud... what if when you died in game, the outside view faded to black, as did the radar, and the sound was muted. |
| 10:10.17 | Mayhem | you would be very dead, unlike now when you can still see tanks and pick your respawn time by watching the radar... |
| 10:10.55 | Mayhem | You could also stay in that state instead of having to pause if you wanted the sound muted |
| 10:11.19 | Mayhem | Comments? |
| 10:11.57 | Mayhem | anyone who has played counterstrike with the 'fadetoblack' option enabled would recognise this :) |
| 10:20.50 | [dmp] | hi Mayhem |
| 10:25.16 | Chestal | tag |
| 10:25.53 | [dmp] | Hi Chestal |
| 10:45.19 | Mayhem | hi [dmp] |
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| 10:46.22 | Mayhem | greetings david_v |
| 10:46.26 | david_v | hey :) |
| 10:47.33 | [dmp] | urgh.. him.. again.. |
| 10:47.37 | [dmp] | .. better go |
| 10:47.39 | [dmp] | :) |
| 10:48.21 | david_v | oh no you're here! help! |
| 10:48.35 | david_v | i need fresh air :) |
| 10:48.42 | david_v | or a bracket filter |
| 10:49.09 | Mayhem | you two are getting along well... |
| 10:49.36 | david_v | how did you know :) |
| 10:50.56 | Mayhem | [dmp]: I think there is a bug in your ladders. How the heck could I reach #4 on the ducati ladder? :) |
| 10:51.13 | david_v | the real question is, how could [dmp] so easily get to #1 ? ;) |
| 10:52.00 | david_v | ~ducati6 |
| 10:52.13 | david_v | is anybody up for playing a bit? |
| 10:52.20 | Mayhem | aww |
| 10:52.24 | Mayhem | yep |
| 10:52.31 | david_v | k going there |
| 10:52.51 | Mayhem | lets see how long it takes before we attract a crowd... :) |
| 11:33.29 | [dmp] | Mayhem: The CTF ladder dosnt show if you are good at CTF, but it shows if you are good at picking the wining team :-) |
| 11:36.34 | david_v | ;) |
| 11:37.10 | david_v | the opposite of Murphy's law about queues? :) |
| 11:37.27 | david_v | or, something :) |
| 12:13.12 | Mayhem | hmm, the ctf ladder doesn't distinguish between me picking the winning team, or the winning team picking me :) |
| 12:13.58 | david_v | that's also a way to see it :) |
| 12:15.02 | Mayhem | would be nice if bzfs kept stats on how long you carried enemy flags for etc. |
| 12:15.15 | Mayhem | scores, assists... |
| 12:16.01 | david_v | assists indeed. several times i try to take the enemy flag, i shout to my team "cover" well before i go there. do you think they even approach? no way :) |
| 12:16.10 | Mayhem | :) |
| 12:16.44 | Mayhem | some people think 'cover' mean dogfighting the enemy on the other side of the map |
| 12:16.46 | [dmp] | If I even had the possibility for doing stuff like that, I would surely need some more ram and diskspace :) |
| 12:16.54 | david_v | Mayhem: i guess so! :) |
| 12:17.01 | Mayhem | how much is it chewing up already dmp? |
| 12:17.49 | [dmp] | memory wise? top says 24megs.. But I had to install 512mb ekstra just too keep mysql running (it coredumped). ever since it havnt complained at all. I normally got around 20mega for free memory when system is running. |
| 12:17.57 | [dmp] | diskspace is about 250megs |
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| 12:18.34 | david_v | hmm |
| 12:18.47 | Mayhem | that is when it does an update, or usual activity? |
| 12:19.23 | [dmp] | it dosnt change much. That stuff is kept low priority (once in a hour) .. |
| 12:19.43 | [dmp] | I only need to mesure, somehow, how much bandwidth it uses |
| 12:19.59 | [dmp] | not that i can afford to do anything about it :) |
| 12:20.08 | Mayhem | hmm, stats on kills/deaths (eg. how often you kill while being killed, how often you die alone) |
| 12:20.14 | Mayhem | heh ;) |
| 12:20.31 | Mayhem | kills and deaths from direct shots vs ricos |
| 12:20.57 | Mayhem | side of tank hit ratios (front, rear, left, right) ahh, statistics are cool |
| 12:21.19 | [dmp] | i actually got a x:1-ladder (maximum scores before getting killed (twice) and 1:x (max death before killing your 2nd target) |
| 12:21.36 | [dmp] | But yes, they are cool :) |
| 12:22.01 | Mayhem | how about 'average proximity to enemy flag' |
| 12:22.06 | [dmp] | Some day I would like to fix this duration ladder, so I can see who is the most addicted person :) |
| 12:22.15 | Mayhem | would indicate if you are ctf'ing or just shooting tanks |
| 12:22.28 | Mayhem | what is wrong with the duration ladder? |
| 12:22.35 | [dmp] | it dosnt work :) |
| 12:22.44 | Mayhem | ... |
| 12:22.52 | david_v | [dmp]: maybe i can help? :) |
| 12:23.02 | [dmp] | Chestal played a few hours but he only got 30mins in duration-ladder. |
| 12:23.02 | Mayhem | me, me too :) |
| 12:23.06 | david_v | hehe |
| 12:23.12 | Mayhem | yeah, I get that too |
| 12:23.47 | david_v | what's the link to the duration ladder? |
| 12:24.07 | david_v | for ducati |
| 12:24.51 | [dmp] | wait.. I'll enable it for a short while.. |
| 12:25.04 | david_v | k |
| 12:25.46 | david_v | i'm not even listed :) |
| 12:26.00 | david_v | but wait, this is for teams |
| 12:26.13 | [dmp] | reload frontpage |
| 12:26.24 | david_v | ah hehe |
| 12:26.32 | [dmp] | you noisy bastard,you are too quick :) |
| 12:26.51 | Mayhem | hehe, I got that too :) |
| 12:26.53 | david_v | ;) |
| 12:27.32 | [dmp] | bastards :) |
| 12:27.37 | Mayhem | what sort of magnitude is it out? |
| 12:27.45 | [dmp] | alot. |
| 12:28.06 | [dmp] | I have no idea why it dosnt sum it properly.. havent looked into that at all. |
| 12:28.15 | [dmp] | just disabled it, when i became aware of it. |
| 12:28.32 | Mayhem | any code to look at? |
| 12:28.32 | david_v | i don't see any specific faults in the duration ladder at a first glance |
| 12:28.46 | david_v | it seems like it's just using the last week's duration |
| 12:29.12 | david_v | that's why people will bump up and down very rapidly on this ladder :) |
| 12:30.09 | david_v | Mayhem: i was wondering the same. how much do you program BTW? |
| 12:30.28 | david_v | i haven't been doing that for a while, need to practise |
| 12:30.28 | Mayhem | about this much >--------------------< |
| 12:30.31 | Mayhem | :) |
| 12:30.38 | david_v | hm, hard to measure, but, ok :) |
| 12:30.44 | Mayhem | Its what I do for a job... |
| 12:30.46 | [dmp] | you need to have the database-structure too, otherwise the code wont make sense.. |
| 12:30.49 | david_v | Mayhem: ahh :) |
| 12:31.10 | david_v | [dmp]: we could guess ;) |
| 12:31.36 | Mayhem | I don't even appear on this week's stats |
| 12:31.36 | david_v | why not just put some comments in the code though, or document it in some way in any case |
| 12:33.56 | [dmp] | this is the script which is the base for the duration-ladders.. http://bzflag.baat.dk/time_ladder.txt |
| 12:33.56 | Mayhem | wonder if the problem is the data not being accurate, or its being processed incorrectly |
| 12:34.06 | [dmp] | Both i think. |
| 12:34.14 | Mayhem | goody :) |
| 12:34.20 | david_v | bingo ;) |
| 12:34.35 | Mayhem | woot, perl :) |
| 12:34.40 | [dmp] | I am at the university, writing stupid silly proofs. So I cant really add documentation write now :) |
| 12:34.41 | [dmp] | yeah :) |
| 12:35.19 | david_v | perl is really nice :) |
| 12:35.28 | david_v | some say Python is better though, but i haven't tried it yet |
| 12:35.45 | Mayhem | php is a bit easier to read |
| 12:36.05 | david_v | yeah |
| 12:36.07 | [dmp] | Python is more OOish than perl.. But perl still got CPAN. I dont like OO-perl much. |
| 12:36.12 | david_v | but Perl is *made* to be hard to read ;) |
| 12:36.23 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 12:36.27 | [dmp] | s/perl/learn/ |
| 12:36.29 | [dmp] | tired. |
| 12:36.32 | david_v | lol :) |
| 12:36.49 | david_v | my brain is slow too, i actually thought you wanted to learn "perl python" :) |
| 12:37.01 | [dmp] | heheehe |
| 12:37.02 | [dmp] | silly. |
| 12:37.16 | david_v | hey, umm, a little hint... ? :) |
| 12:37.26 | [dmp] | the code? |
| 12:37.27 | david_v | there is something in that text that you don't want to show everyone :) |
| 12:37.42 | [dmp] | what text? the code? |
| 12:37.44 | david_v | yes |
| 12:37.46 | Mayhem | db password? |
| 12:37.53 | david_v | better put it in a separate file :) |
| 12:37.54 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:38.10 | [dmp] | everything should be restructured. |
| 12:38.14 | david_v | hehe |
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| 12:38.26 | [dmp] | but i dont wanna.. not now :) |
| 12:38.30 | Mayhem | Hiya CIA :) |
| 12:38.35 | Mayhem | bye CIA |
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| 12:38.41 | Mayhem | man that bot has problems... |
| 12:39.21 | Mayhem | are you actually tracking what team the player is on? |
| 12:39.43 | [dmp] | observation_* tables is where the data from servers are stored. the ladder_time_users is where the processed "sessions" are stored.. Then the ladder-scripts (which is fairly generic) picks up the data it needs to generate the durtion ladders |
| 12:39.53 | [dmp] | I track everything |
| 12:40.02 | [dmp] | I can tell if you like red or green the most :) |
| 12:40.18 | Mayhem | Eeeevvvvrrrryyyythiiiinnngggg :) |
| 12:40.22 | [dmp] | almost |
| 12:40.23 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:40.26 | Mayhem | big brother dmp is watching :) |
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| 12:40.30 | [dmp] | yeah :) |
| 12:40.40 | [dmp] | but i dont store IPs or anything like that. |
| 12:40.45 | david_v | not? ;) |
| 12:40.52 | david_v | what is this? call_isp() |
| 12:40.56 | david_v | and, sue_user() |
| 12:41.02 | david_v | oh, commented though |
| 12:41.27 | Mayhem | haha |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | $duration = $row->{'duration'}; |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | if( $duration < (3*60) ) |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | { |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | $duration = 3*60; |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | } |
| 12:43.00 | Mayhem | $duration = $duration / 60; |
| 12:43.03 | Mayhem | ? |
| 12:43.37 | Mayhem | save me some brain cycles here dmp... |
| 12:44.01 | david_v | you missed the if ($nick == "[dmp") :) |
| 12:44.41 | Mayhem | hehe, we gotta add that, == "[dmp]" || "david_v" || "Mayhem" |
| 12:44.49 | [dmp] | :) |
| 12:44.54 | david_v | right :) |
| 12:45.43 | david_v | ahhh, programming ecstacy again, i've been away from it too much :) |
| 12:46.22 | [dmp] | Mayhem: if duration is less than 3 mins. I change it to 3 mins, as i doubt that very many people play for less than 3 mins. Afterwards I split the duration so i got duration in mins to work with, not seconds.. an else would fit perfectly in there :) |
| 12:46.49 | david_v | ah, i thought it was 3 hours lol :) |
| 12:48.23 | [dmp] | i hope not :) |
| 12:48.39 | [dmp] | that coulod be considered as.. "oops" |
| 12:48.43 | david_v | :) |
| 12:49.46 | Mayhem | could you extract some data eg. mine, from the obs table for me to play with |
| 12:50.00 | [dmp] | you might think that this perlcode is ugly.. Then you really dont like me, after you see the php code :) |
| 12:50.14 | Mayhem | looks quite neat to me :) |
| 12:50.42 | [dmp] | Mayhem: sure. But Ill do that when I get home.. |
| 12:50.58 | david_v | [dmp]: hehe :) |
| 12:51.04 | david_v | i'd like you to comment more :) |
| 12:51.05 | Mayhem | I spend a lot of my time changing other people code... refactoring/ripping up |
| 12:51.22 | david_v | Mayhem: cleaning programmer :) |
| 12:51.32 | [dmp] | You're hired Mayhem :-) |
| 12:51.36 | david_v | lol |
| 12:51.39 | Mayhem | I usually reduce the size of source files by at least 50%... |
| 12:51.56 | Mayhem | if they were written badly to start with... |
| 12:51.56 | [dmp] | TODOLIST= find . -name "*.php" .. :) |
| 12:51.58 | david_v | wow... i don't want to see that code :) |
| 12:52.03 | Chestal | Mayhem: by shortening all variable names to one letter? ;-) |
| 12:52.08 | david_v | :) |
| 12:52.10 | Mayhem | you're right, you don't :) |
| 12:52.12 | david_v | hey Chestal |
| 12:52.16 | Mayhem | Chestal: yep ;) |
| 12:52.20 | [dmp] | using global vars? :) |
| 12:52.35 | Mayhem | just simple things, like breaking out common functions. |
| 12:52.43 | Chestal | global vars are called 'SIngleton' these days :-) |
| 12:53.07 | [dmp] | I dont clean peoples code. I say I want to, then I break it and give up :) |
| 12:53.22 | david_v | [dmp]: let me debug that for you. in Bash, that'd be: TODOLIST= find . -name *.php \n $TODOLIST :) |
| 12:53.35 | david_v | oh with quotes around |
| 12:54.16 | [dmp] | david_v: *sigh* .. it was the perl code you were supposed to debug :) |
| 12:54.50 | david_v | [dmp]: am i doing too much? ;) |
| 12:54.59 | david_v | \n didn't work that well in Bash though, hm |
| 12:55.33 | [dmp] | guess it dont understand swedish thinking very well :) |
| 12:55.52 | david_v | be happy about it :) |
| 12:56.04 | david_v | i just lost focus for a second hehe |
| 12:57.16 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 12:57.32 | david_v | well, i just looked through the code. i don't see anything weird with it. although i'd prefer to lock the database, but that's another story :) |
| 12:58.01 | david_v | what is the problem anyway? you want it to add up the hours, so that it increases week after week, right? |
| 12:58.20 | [dmp] | every monday its reset. |
| 12:58.27 | david_v | yeah, so what is the problem? :) |
| 12:58.34 | [dmp] | it dosnt count properly. |
| 12:58.38 | [dmp] | it misses some hours. |
| 12:58.52 | Mayhem | where some is an unknown, possibly large, number |
| 12:58.54 | david_v | can you give me an example that's in the ladder now, i haven't found anything |
| 12:59.04 | Mayhem | I played about 2 hours last night... |
| 12:59.12 | david_v | or i'll just dig through the script on a bughunting mission |
| 12:59.22 | [dmp] | no i cant, david.. Havnt look into it in a looooong time. |
| 12:59.24 | david_v | well, maybe it's not running all the time? |
| 12:59.35 | david_v | or a connection is lost, or something |
| 12:59.52 | david_v | with your ISP... :) don't know where you run this ladder though |
| 13:00.11 | [dmp] | doubt it.. I would love to look into it now. But i need to write this text before relaxing. Sorry :-( |
| 13:00.47 | david_v | hehe |
| 13:00.58 | david_v | what text? |
| 13:01.55 | [dmp] | project about the travelling salesman. |
| 13:02.08 | [dmp] | whoever that might be :) |
| 13:02.12 | david_v | hm :) |
| 13:03.21 | Mayhem | heh, that guys never gives up ;) |
| 13:03.39 | [dmp] | perhaps after i reinstall my computer, i should set up a shell accounts so you can destroy my lovely hacks :) |
| 13:03.40 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:03.51 | Mayhem | sounds like fun :) |
| 13:04.45 | david_v | hehe |
| 13:12.43 | david_v | i think i might have found something interesting |
| 13:13.04 | david_v | line 78; i'm not completely into the code yet, though, but... |
| 13:13.17 | david_v | < '$ts' on that line |
| 13:13.23 | david_v | $ts is set to whatever record is last |
| 13:13.38 | david_v | but that record isn't supposedly the record with highest value on 'timestamp', right? |
| 13:13.51 | david_v | shouldn't it be something like $max_ts |
| 13:14.46 | david_v | i'm curious about $hwm too |
| 13:15.22 | [dmp] | $hwm = highwatermark. to avoid processing more than needed.. it stores the last processed id, and next time it starts from there |
| 13:16.36 | david_v | maybe when i think of it the newest records will always be last... hmm |
| 13:16.50 | david_v | but i will read the rest of the code before making any excuses ;) |
| 13:17.29 | david_v | just an optimization question though, do you really need timestamp, timestamp_first and timestamp_last, why not remove "timestamp" ? |
| 13:18.12 | [dmp] | in the lines around 78? |
| 13:18.25 | david_v | no 40-60 and possibly more |
| 13:18.50 | david_v | 106 also |
| 13:19.07 | [dmp] | o.timestamp is the timestamp of a observation (when server gets data).. |
| 13:19.42 | [dmp] | the script tries to collect one or more observations to a "session".. beginning from timestamp_start and ending with timestamp_end. |
| 13:20.34 | david_v | well timestamp_first seems to be equal to timestamp |
| 13:20.38 | david_v | as for the value |
| 13:20.45 | david_v | i don't see any code setting timestamp_first anyway |
| 13:20.56 | david_v | maybe that's done in another script |
| 13:21.12 | Mayhem | we don't know what fields are in the tables... |
| 13:21.26 | david_v | nope :) so i'm guessing a bit, in typical Swedish style ;) |
| 13:28.16 | david_v | hmm... |
| 13:28.31 | david_v | here it seems like it will only update the record if the user has played that day, otherwise it will make a new one |
| 13:28.53 | david_v | do you clear out the ladder_time_users table every day or what? |
| 13:29.02 | david_v | i'm still missing something, i think... :) |
| 13:30.50 | david_v | i don't see the point of separating the values day by day. hm |
| 13:32.13 | david_v | nevertheless i wonder if the problem isn't in the script that reads that table |
| 13:45.42 | [dmp] | seperating values is done by the ladder-generation script.. This scripts only prepares the data. So the ladder-script contains all logic on how to split up the data. |
| 13:45.55 | [dmp] | (didnt see your comments, sorry.. :)) |
| 13:46.09 | david_v | hehe |
| 13:49.05 | david_v | well i gtg... would like to see the ladder script though, i am getting convinced the error is there (or another external problem) |
| 13:49.15 | david_v | cya folks |
| 13:49.46 | Mayhem | cya david |
| 13:50.30 | [dmp] | cya david_v. And thansk for the effort :) |
| 13:50.44 | david_v | hehe :) np |
| 13:50.52 | [dmp] | Faveller :) |
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| 14:33.15 | sussudio | look, Secret_Hamster, jailbait!: http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/meep.jpg |
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| 14:37.42 | Tupone | captain_proton: |
| 14:38.19 | Tupone | ~CVS |
| 14:38.19 | | [cvs] Concurrent Versions System and is at http://www.handhelds.org/sources.html or at http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/ and at http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/03/cvs_intro.html and http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/01/17/cvsadmin.html and http://www.red-bean.com/cvsbook/ |
| 14:38.20 | Noodlebot | cvs is annoying |
| 14:38.37 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: yea kinda cute. looks more like a gerbil? |
| 14:38.50 | sussudio | nuh. it's a 5 week old russian dwarf hampster |
| 14:38.51 | Secret_Hamster | nope it's a hamster. no tail |
| 14:38.59 | Secret_Hamster | yea cute |
| 14:39.07 | Secret_Hamster | we had a russian hamster |
| 14:39.22 | Secret_Hamster | called it spike, cause it's fur stuck up |
| 14:39.39 | sussudio | =:-B |
| 14:39.50 | sussudio | seems config.h is buggered again btw |
| 14:39.52 | Secret_Hamster | Ended up a good name. Vicious little bugger, just like Spike out of Buffy the Vampire Slayer |
| 14:40.57 | Tupone | Guy .. what happens to CVS? .. I don't see last 3-4 day fixes |
| 14:41.33 | sussudio | snort? |
| 14:48.00 | sussudio | who is guy? |
| 14:49.09 | Tupone | Anyone who knows something! |
| 14:50.15 | sussudio | use cvs.bzflag.org not the sourceforge one |
| 15:00.26 | Tupone | sussudio: thanx |
| 15:54.22 | Nidhoggr | there. admin functions are active on secretplace. |
| 15:55.53 | Nidhoggr | is sourceforge not going to be kept current, sussudio? |
| 16:16.38 | sussudio | *shrug*. |
| 16:17.00 | sussudio | cvs.sourceforge.net is just a PITA |
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| 16:20.47 | tuxipuxi | want to play a round? tuxipuxi.homelinux.org |
| 16:22.47 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 16:24.05 | Mayhem | greetings learner |
| 16:24.17 | Tupone | ~PITA |
| 16:24.18 | | pita is, like, pain in the ass |
| 16:25.55 | Nidhoggr | I don't mind not using sourceforge. :) |
| 16:28.50 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:42.28 | mmu_man | ETA on my beos patch ? |
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| 16:44.25 | david_v | does anyone have any hints for the Linux client, an application running in the background (say gaim) can easily hijack the keyboard :( |
| 16:44.56 | david_v | the mouse still works though, and standard Linux keycuts, but the game is simply not playable without keyboard :) |
| 16:47.27 | mmu_man | <troll>use a real OS</troll> |
| 16:47.36 | mmu_man | what about fixing gaim ? |
| 16:47.53 | david_v | real os, like...? :) |
| 16:47.55 | trepan | david_v: patch XGrabKeyboard() into the code... |
| 16:48.07 | mmu_man | david_v BeOS \o/ |
| 16:48.08 | david_v | if you say Windows, i'll have nightmares :) |
| 16:48.13 | david_v | ah BeOS, never tried it |
| 16:48.23 | sussudio | david_v: nobody else has either |
| 16:48.30 | mmu_man | *slap* :p |
| 16:48.32 | david_v | trepan: into BZflag? i know nothing about the code |
| 16:48.37 | david_v | mmu_man: ;) |
| 16:48.41 | david_v | feel alone, very alone :) |
| 16:48.57 | mmu_man | david_v there are many more BeOS users than you think |
| 16:49.13 | sussudio | yeah all 2 of them |
| 16:49.19 | david_v | mmu_man: 2? :) |
| 16:49.20 | david_v | hehe |
| 16:49.31 | trepan | ya, into the code, is Gaim giving you popups? |
| 16:49.34 | mmu_man | you are the weakest link, ->[] |
| 16:49.47 | david_v | trepan: it is but it's a bit buggy, they're not supposed to popup, so i can't turn it off |
| 16:50.13 | david_v | and no i'm NOT going to hack gaim code :) |
| 16:50.19 | trepan | hmmm, what's you window manager? |
| 16:50.35 | david_v | KDE 3.1 |
| 16:50.52 | david_v | so what file am i supposed to hack? oh let me get the source first |
| 16:51.22 | trepan | haven't used it Kwm, but maybe you could adjust the stacking priorities so that bzflag always stays on top |
| 16:51.33 | david_v | source is here, happened to have the tarball |
| 16:51.43 | trepan | david_v: bzflag/src/platform/XDisplay.cxx ;) |
| 16:52.10 | david_v | hm, i don't think there are any stacking priorities. besides it's hard or impossible to change when it's running in fullscreen mode or locking the cursor to its window |
| 16:55.09 | david_v | urg, KDE seems buggy |
| 16:55.45 | david_v | just locked in some weird mode now where windows won't be activated until i click twice... |
| 16:55.50 | david_v | even if i changed the setting |
| 16:56.52 | trepan | I like icewm, no session management, kiss style |
| 17:00.45 | david_v | trepan: hmm where am i supposed to find that patch |
| 17:01.01 | david_v | or code snippet |
| 17:02.13 | trepan | one second, I'll try it |
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| 17:02.43 | mmu_man | hi |
| 17:02.48 | Patlabor221 | hi |
| 17:04.43 | david_v | trepan: you'd need to help me further than that, i'm afraid :) |
| 17:05.13 | sussudio | Patlabor221: the install.dsw thing needs to be updated |
| 17:05.27 | Patlabor221 | no it needs to be removed |
| 17:05.33 | Patlabor221 | we don't use the old installer anymore |
| 17:05.33 | sussudio | :-B |
| 17:05.45 | Patlabor221 | I pulled it from the dsw |
| 17:06.15 | trepan | david_v: it just added XGrabKeyboard and XUngrabKeyboard next to the similiar XGrabPointer calls in XWindow.cxx |
| 17:06.19 | Patlabor221 | we now use nsis for windows installs |
| 17:06.20 | Nidhoggr | what is option to disable client compile? |
| 17:07.10 | david_v | trepan: i don't find XGrabPointer anywhere :| |
| 17:07.50 | trepan | no guarantees on the patch, but I'll DCC it to you if you want |
| 17:08.29 | david_v | sure, i can just view it to see if it will make any sense |
| 17:08.43 | david_v | i think something's missing, or i need CVS code? |
| 17:09.19 | trepan | beats me, i don't know how much the particular file would have change |
| 17:11.13 | david_v | trepan: nothing coming yet? failed, it says |
| 17:11.18 | david_v | let me see... |
| 17:11.35 | david_v | try again, might be that dcc/ folder was nonexistent... doh |
| 17:12.24 | david_v | hehe, better :) thanks |
| 17:12.42 | trepan | hope it helps |
| 17:13.11 | trepan | just in case, you do have C+A+Backspace enabled on you Xserver? :O) |
| 17:13.28 | david_v | 2002-06-04 on my XWindow.cxx. January 2003 on yours |
| 17:13.41 | david_v | think that explains things |
| 17:13.48 | david_v | trepan, yes ;) |
| 17:13.53 | david_v | but i normally just kill bzflag |
| 17:14.35 | trepan | not if something weird happens and you get stuck with bzflag running, and no keyboard |
| 17:14.43 | david_v | i'll get a CVS copy |
| 17:15.05 | trepan | have fun, ciao |
| 17:15.13 | david_v | cya then |
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| 17:19.06 | david_v | hm, can't login to get a copy of the CVS tree |
| 17:20.06 | Patlabor221 | anon works for me, as well as ssh |
| 17:20.08 | david_v | can anyone else access BZflag CVS right now? |
| 17:20.10 | david_v | hmmm |
| 17:20.16 | david_v | it won't get anywhere |
| 17:20.39 | sussudio | use cvs.bzflag.org :-| |
| 17:20.45 | Patlabor221 | what server you puing in? |
| 17:20.49 | david_v | before when i tried to get a package from sf.net i got an error message, and could download anyway after one or two tries... now i get an error message and it won't download at all |
| 17:21.04 | david_v | the one that's mentioned on the site, cvs.sf.net |
| 17:21.18 | Patlabor221 | i'm doing cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 17:21.37 | david_v | so what could be wrong, hm :( |
| 17:21.45 | Patlabor221 | and its geting as we type |
| 17:22.08 | david_v | i've even opened up my INPUT frame on iptables |
| 17:22.17 | david_v | which shouldn't be needed |
| 17:22.52 | david_v | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login , then cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag |
| 17:22.57 | Patlabor221 | they may have one of there domains down or something like that |
| 17:22.58 | david_v | and it doesn't work |
| 17:23.03 | david_v | maybe |
| 17:23.07 | Patlabor221 | that will not get you 1.7 |
| 17:23.12 | david_v | oh? |
| 17:23.21 | david_v | that's what it said on the site... |
| 17:23.24 | Patlabor221 | the last should be co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 17:23.31 | david_v | hmmm |
| 17:23.34 | Patlabor221 | yes well 1.7 is't head in cvs |
| 17:23.52 | david_v | sussudio: always nice with support :) |
| 17:24.00 | sussudio | CVS.BZFLAG.ORG |
| 17:24.11 | Patlabor221 | that works too |
| 17:24.15 | sussudio | snort. |
| 17:24.23 | david_v | sussudio: bzflag.org links to sf.net for instructions ;) |
| 17:24.54 | Patlabor221 | he's saying use that for the domain in the cvs co |
| 17:25.13 | david_v | bzflag.org doesn't work either... |
| 17:25.20 | david_v | now it's getting really curious |
| 17:25.31 | Patlabor221 | then you have what are called "issues" |
| 17:25.32 | david_v | maybe my CVS program is buggy |
| 17:25.46 | Patlabor221 | what are you using for a cvs client? |
| 17:25.50 | david_v | what version do you use? |
| 17:26.06 | Patlabor221 | I use the tourtice one |
| 17:26.06 | david_v | 1.11.6 from http://www.cvshome.org/ |
| 17:26.07 | Nidhoggr | someone rooted one of our shared web servers at work. |
| 17:26.22 | sussudio | Concurrent Versions System (CVS) 1.11.5 (client) |
| 17:26.25 | Patlabor221 | david, I'll post a source zip |
| 17:26.28 | Patlabor221 | if youwant |
| 17:26.32 | david_v | i can just download it |
| 17:26.33 | sussudio | david_v: lin or win |
| 17:26.36 | david_v | Lin |
| 17:26.42 | sussudio | oh gentoo. |
| 17:26.43 | sussudio | bleh. |
| 17:26.46 | david_v | ;) |
| 17:27.04 | sussudio | the one in deb works fine. |
| 17:27.06 | david_v | i don't know what to say about it yet before i've seen more of the other distros |
| 17:27.09 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/BZ/G1/bzflag17g1-614-03.zip |
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| 17:27.29 | sussudio | the one in deb/sarge is 1.11.5 too |
| 17:27.59 | trepan | david_v: heh, worked for me (I popped and xterm up 1 second after with and without the patch) |
| 17:28.42 | trepan | s/and/an |
| 17:29.52 | Patlabor221 | I wish I could keep a mirror of SF cvs on my cvs server |
| 17:30.03 | sussudio | just zip it daily |
| 17:30.42 | Patlabor221 | I mean with history and stuff |
| 17:31.53 | david_v | trepan: i don't find any XGrabPointer in this file still... lol |
| 17:32.30 | david_v | oh wait i take that back |
| 17:33.10 | david_v | interesting. mc finds it in that file, vim does not? *confused* |
| 17:33.35 | david_v | ah it was XWindow.cxx |
| 17:33.37 | david_v | tsss ;) |
| 17:33.59 | david_v | i have that in g0 too |
| 17:34.31 | david_v | man, i thought you said XDisplay. i don't see what i'm doing |
| 17:34.59 | david_v | ah you did, but you changed your mind later :) |
| 17:35.37 | trepan | ya, i'm fickle like that |
| 17:35.40 | david_v | ;) |
| 17:38.13 | david_v | finally, compiling the source |
| 17:39.00 | david_v | is this /will this be fixed in versions higher than g0? |
| 17:39.30 | trepan | depends if the patch is applied to CVS |
| 17:40.09 | david_v | heh, i was wondering if they permanently fixed /will fix it |
| 17:40.25 | Patlabor221 | what is the fix? |
| 17:40.40 | david_v | for making sure backgrounded applications don't hijack the keyboard |
| 17:40.48 | trepan | just add XGrabKeyboard as well as XGrabPointer to XWindow.cxx |
| 17:40.51 | david_v | i've had that problem several times. extremely annoying |
| 17:41.00 | Patlabor221 | does it affect anything else adversly? |
| 17:41.05 | trepan | (and the associated XUngrabs) |
| 17:41.14 | trepan | Patlabor221: not that I've seen so far |
| 17:41.28 | Patlabor221 | you 2 test the piss out of it, and I'll merge it. |
| 17:43.39 | Patlabor221 | send me a patched XWindow.cxx |
| 17:44.13 | trepan | the patch is up on SourceForge |
| 17:44.22 | Patlabor221 | ahhh I see that now |
| 17:44.38 | Patlabor221 | ust adding to grab mouse, and ungrab mouse? |
| 17:44.46 | david_v | trepan: i know that now :) thanks for your help though |
| 17:44.46 | david_v | Patlabor221: i don't think so but it's just three extra rows in the code |
| 17:44.51 | Patlabor221 | I have to apply it manualy ( no patch installed yet) |
| 17:45.19 | david_v | yeah, those two functions |
| 17:45.22 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:45.22 | Patlabor221 | done |
| 17:45.24 | david_v | :) |
| 17:46.10 | bzgirl | https://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=848024&forum_id=9553 |
| 17:46.15 | bzgirl | i like tat idea |
| 17:46.17 | david_v | thanks... now i need to get this to compile though, it refuses to do so |
| 17:46.24 | bzgirl | that* |
| 17:46.46 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh a friends list |
| 17:47.09 | Patlabor221 | that would need some sort of central server |
| 17:47.16 | bzgirl | yeah, could be based off the registed player db? |
| 17:47.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:47.24 | learner | heh, this is going to turn into a regular chat client before long.. |
| 17:47.29 | bzgirl | :)) |
| 17:47.34 | Patlabor221 | it coudl be part of the DB Server |
| 17:47.53 | david_v | oh BTW, i see code for hiding the mouse here. however, it never has done that in my g0 |
| 17:47.59 | trepan | just merge bzflag with IRC? :) |
| 17:48.04 | david_v | hehe |
| 17:48.15 | Patlabor221 | what do you think I'm doin :) |
| 17:48.22 | david_v | ;) |
| 17:48.28 | learner | you could do it with some peer-to-peer |
| 17:48.29 | bzgirl | learner: id like a hot-key to swap my radar window with #bzflag channel |
| 17:48.41 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.02 | learner | oh, bzg, that *would* be cool |
| 17:49.18 | Patlabor221 | what we realy need is a way for a server to get message from some other place, other then a client |
| 17:49.31 | Patlabor221 | then we can do all sorts of fun stuff |
| 17:49.39 | bzgirl | an observer bot |
| 17:49.53 | david_v | oh doh now i know why it won't compile... the copy-and-paste excluded a line in the middle (hm, that's nice :) |
| 17:49.53 | learner | if the servers were all interconnected p2p clients, you'd have just that |
| 17:50.04 | trepan | Patlabor221: you really adding IRC access to bzflag? |
| 17:50.07 | learner | they could share player details |
| 17:50.13 | learner | server status, etc |
| 17:50.16 | david_v | oh no it didn't ... sigh |
| 17:50.52 | Patlabor221 | no, but I added some irc like commands, and I am pondering some more |
| 17:52.15 | learner | ah, aaliyah .. |
| 17:52.30 | trepan | david_v: any luck yet? |
| 17:52.45 | david_v | trepan: uh, i don't know. but i discovered i was trying to use Perl commenting style... lol :) |
| 17:53.48 | david_v | replaced that now, and trying again :) |
| 17:54.16 | david_v | s/^#/\/\// :) |
| 17:56.03 | david_v | now it compiled... hehehe |
| 17:57.09 | trepan | david_v: if you want to force a popup # bzflag & sleep 1 ; xterm |
| 17:57.52 | david_v | good idea |
| 17:58.19 | david_v | s/xterm/Eterm/ though :) |
| 17:59.03 | trepan | too fancy for me, probably have to learn new options and stuff |
| 17:59.09 | david_v | good, didn't steal the keyboard (but that was expected :) |
| 17:59.23 | david_v | hm, i never use any special options for terminals |
| 17:59.34 | david_v | *terminal emulators |
| 18:00.53 | trepan | david_v: neat, you're done then. popups musta been bloody annoying for you |
| 18:01.07 | david_v | yes and no, i simply turned off gaim before playing |
| 18:01.10 | david_v | until today when i forgot it |
| 18:01.33 | david_v | oh BTW if you don't mind, what program can i run to find out the path of a certain program? whereis doesn't seem to work always |
| 18:01.34 | trepan | ah, well, small potatoes then, either way ;) |
| 18:01.37 | david_v | hehe |
| 18:01.53 | david_v | no this is nice, because i'd like to have gaim running |
| 18:02.28 | trepan | i usually use 'which' to find program locations |
| 18:02.35 | david_v | which, thanks :) |
| 18:04.13 | david_v | cya later then |
| 18:04.20 | trepan | ciao |
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| 18:14.43 | trepan | darn, now with XGrabKeyboard, my logitech keys can't control my music |
| 18:25.36 | mmu_man | X11 suxor ? |
| 18:27.52 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should make it a config option |
| 18:37.33 | trepan | yup, could do that. YAO (yet another option) |
| 18:39.04 | trepan | it would be nice with XGrabKeyboard, but with passthru keys |
| 18:39.46 | trepan | (optionnable passthru keys ;) |
| 18:52.54 | Patlabor221 | if it now prevents somethign that used to work from working now, I won't commit it till I ask cap |
| 18:53.46 | trepan | that's fair |
| 19:00.49 | trepan | i'll go see why some keys passthru currently |
| 19:01.20 | trepan | should also see if ICCCM can help with X11 iconification |
| 19:05.14 | trepan | ah, my WM is grabbing the keys before they get to the bz window |
| 19:05.59 | mmu_man | TWM roxor |
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| 19:06.51 | trepan | icewm roxorer |
| 19:11.38 | Chestal | icewm is my wm for the X server I run bzflag on |
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| 19:46.30 | tuxipuxi_ | hi |
| 19:46.40 | tuxipuxi_ | i want to thank you for this great game :) |
| 19:47.55 | tuxipuxi_ | i can manage 3 clients with just adsl |
| 19:47.58 | tuxipuxi_ | it doesn't lag |
| 19:48.02 | tuxipuxi_ | it's a great funny game |
| 19:48.49 | Patlabor221 | how many did we have last night on your DSL BZGirl? |
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| 19:52.11 | [dmp] | Hi dudes and dudettes |
| 19:52.20 | tuxipuxi_ | hi |
| 19:54.12 | [dmp] | cool, bzflag for cellphones :) |
| 19:54.35 | Patlabor221 | heh, no... not neough CPU |
| 19:54.41 | Patlabor221 | not enogh cpu for breakout. |
| 19:55.04 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: i think 14 |
| 19:55.35 | Patlabor221 | I did't see any lag |
| 19:55.48 | tuxipuxi | adsl? |
| 19:56.00 | bzgirl | tuxipuxi: dsl |
| 19:56.21 | bzgirl | tuxipuxi: 3meg down/640 up |
| 19:56.33 | Patlabor221 | she has mega dsl |
| 19:56.36 | tuxipuxi | bzgirl: ah that's it. i have 786/128kb |
| 19:56.45 | bzgirl | tuxipuxi: or something like that :) |
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| 20:13.01 | fiberchunks | lo -- Patlabor221 you afoot |
| 20:14.47 | learner | that was great last night |
| 20:15.29 | fiberchunks | sure was |
| 20:15.35 | tuxipuxi | it was great today :) |
| 20:17.31 | tuxipuxi | want to have a game? tuxipuxi.homelinux.org |
| 20:32.05 | learner | anyone have an idea of why the resource loader would try to load something twice? |
| 20:33.17 | captain_proton | learner: are you talking about bundles? :) |
| 20:33.35 | captain_proton | because bundles are scary |
| 20:33.42 | learner | yes, I am |
| 20:33.57 | learner | all of the rgb resources loaded upon startup |
| 20:34.14 | learner | somehow it's trying to load a set of them twice.. |
| 20:34.25 | learner | not sure where to look |
| 20:35.19 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:35.22 | captain_proton | well bundles are scary |
| 20:35.34 | learner | lol, ok -- you're helpful. |
| 20:35.49 | captain_proton | i try :) |
| 20:36.59 | Chestal | hmm, mayve a /deleteplayer command would be useful |
| 20:37.10 | sussudio | bundles are not as scary as bunnies |
| 20:37.24 | learner | I'm scared of dust bunnies at night |
| 20:37.26 | Chestal | alternatively a /setpasswd "player" password |
| 20:37.36 | learner | how about just /passwd |
| 20:38.29 | fiberchunks | hey, could we modify the admin /register <password> patch for idiots like me who forget how it works and just type /register , instead of /register <password> ? Couldn't get it reset last night |
| 20:38.47 | fiberchunks | like have it not accept it if you don't have anything after the /register part |
| 20:39.29 | [dmp] | Chestal: a /identify [nick] <password> would be nice too. |
| 20:40.38 | learner | though there's room for abuse, dmp.. |
| 20:41.15 | learner | I could identify as you given I knew/guessed your passwd and you wouldn't know |
| 20:41.41 | [dmp] | You would anyway, unless i was online at that time. |
| 20:41.52 | learner | exactly |
| 20:42.55 | [dmp] | I just know that "some" players seems to behave different depending when admins joins. |
| 20:43.08 | Chestal | fiber: hmmm, when you jsut say /register,it doesn't give you an error message? |
| 20:43.32 | [dmp] | so it would be nice to join as anonmous and just monitoring, to confirm if there is a problem or not. |
| 20:43.56 | learner | that would be nice |
| 20:44.08 | fiberchunks | Chestal> yes, I seem to remember that last night when I did a /register <blank> it just happily chugged along |
| 20:44.26 | fiberchunks | and therefore caused me all sorts fo problems with /identify |
| 20:44.42 | fiberchunks | cause I had no password, ya see |
| 20:44.43 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 20:44.44 | Chestal | fiber: "/register" or "/register " ? |
| 20:44.59 | Chestal | they should both be rejected, anyway |
| 20:45.02 | fiberchunks | Chestal> I believe i just did "/register" |
| 20:45.03 | fiberchunks | right |
| 20:45.55 | Chestal | just had bzflag crashing |
| 20:46.15 | fiberchunks | ah, good, at least i'm not the only one |
| 20:46.25 | Chestal | I don't know why,though |
| 20:46.29 | fiberchunks | neither do i |
| 20:46.33 | Chestal | I switched back to the other xserver and then hit some wrong keys |
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| 20:46.57 | fiberchunks | I've had, as I told herr proton, several crashes, and a couple soft-lockups (tho I attribute the soft lockups to my shitty linksys router) |
| 20:47.11 | fiberchunks | crashes == seg faults in my vocab |
| 20:49.15 | Chestal | yes, was a segfault |
| 20:49.25 | Chestal | but I don't know what coudlve triggered it, it was a bitchaotic just before |
| 20:49.34 | Chestal | and Iwas playing with the client for over an hour without problems before |
| 20:50.23 | fiberchunks | yeah, it always _seems_ to happen with me after an hour or so |
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| 20:50.56 | fiberchunks | I just did .configure -enable-debug; make - and then when I play it for the next week or so, i'll run it from gdb |
| 20:53.52 | Chestal | the biggest change in the client lately is the colour stuff |
| 20:54.04 | Chestal | so this migh tbe the most probable which is causing this,just guessing, though |
| 20:54.37 | fiberchunks | has anything network wise changed? |
| 20:55.05 | mmu_man | fiberchunks I don't think so, it still crashes here on connection :) |
| 20:55.15 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 20:55.40 | Chestal | fiber: no |
| 20:55.54 | Chestal | I changes a small bug regarding '.' |
| 20:55.55 | fiberchunks | well, that ain't it then |
| 20:56.05 | fiberchunks | what about server code |
| 20:56.06 | Chestal | it had an error before when the player you had last talked to left, but it should be fixed now |
| 20:56.31 | Chestal | I also changed the message buffer code |
| 20:56.37 | Chestal | where the history |
| 20:56.48 | Chestal | nwas a mess before, but maybe it's borken now? |
| 20:57.19 | JBDiGriz | Does anyone compile bzfrelay these days? It doesn't include config.h. |
| 20:58.29 | fiberchunks | Chestal> btw, I almost have all of World on a Wire |
| 20:58.30 | Chestal | does it workat all? :-) |
| 20:58.30 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 20:58.41 | Chestal | fiber: I already burned it on CD :-) |
| 20:58.45 | fiberchunks | phbbt |
| 20:59.17 | JBDiGriz | I don't know if it works, but it messes up the build, so I was wondering if it's included in other builds. |
| 21:00.02 | Chestal | I got a bzfrelay executable |
| 21:02.10 | JBDiGriz | What machine are you building on, and where is it defining socklen_t? |
| 21:02.32 | fiberchunks | hrm -- this is very interesting |
| 21:03.48 | fiberchunks | running 2 bzflag clients -- one on older machine (older client), one on new machine (the crashy one -- newer client). Older client hung while on hashmark -- I restarted that machine (hard hang), and joined with this machine -- there is NO bzflag process on the old machine, and yet the HUDscore thang still lists the old client's callsign and score |
| 21:03.51 | fiberchunks | buggage |
| 21:04.10 | Chestal | Debian Linux here |
| 21:05.53 | fiberchunks | now, however, after a second reconnect, the ghost client is gone -- it's as if the client was cached in the score renderer for a period of time |
| 21:09.24 | mmu_man | BeOS here |
| 21:09.54 | mmu_man | :P |
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| 21:13.29 | fiberchunks | bz has some definite issues now |
| 21:13.31 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 21:14.21 | fiberchunks | so, I just started up the new client under gdb -- got a soft hang -- which absolutely killed my X session -- but it wasn't my router that caused this, as I could still links the outside world and so on. there is something fishy in denmark, imho |
| 21:15.59 | fiberchunks | and the old client 'ghost' issue |
| 21:16.37 | fiberchunks | hrm -- /me wonders if it's a fullscreen issue, since I usually run in windowed mode |
| 21:17.06 | JBDiGriz | Sounds like the mac hang problem, the client hangs in an opengl call, but the rest of the machine is fine. |
| 21:17.24 | JBDiGriz | The mac only runs in fullscreen mode. |
| 21:17.35 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> i think this may be something |
| 21:17.53 | fiberchunks | I'm running in gdb in windowed mode for a while, let you know if I get the same effect |
| 21:17.54 | JBDiGriz | Do you run with blending and/or lighting turned on? |
| 21:18.30 | fiberchunks | I turn everything on ;) |
| 21:18.54 | JBDiGriz | Try running with blending off, and see if it still hangs. That seems to fix the problem on the mac. |
| 21:19.00 | fiberchunks | all of the rendering options are on, and the coloring of the console is not the default |
| 21:19.04 | fiberchunks | just fyu |
| 21:19.10 | fiberchunks | fyi, fer chrissakes |
| 21:19.14 | JBDiGriz | fyu too! :) |
| 21:19.22 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:19.34 | fiberchunks | just blending off, or both blending and lighting? |
| 21:19.57 | JBDiGriz | learner runs with blending and lighting turned off, I have been successful just turning blending off. |
| 21:20.14 | fiberchunks | mkay -- well, imma do that if it still b0rks up in windowed mode |
| 21:20.16 | JBDiGriz | What video card are you using? |
| 21:21.09 | fiberchunks | gf4 ti 4600 |
| 21:21.46 | JBDiGriz | I have an ATI 7500 in the mac, so it's probably not the openGL code. |
| 21:21.50 | fiberchunks | with the latest drivers (4363) in case you're interested |
| 21:22.24 | JBDiGriz | I'm just trying to find some commonalitys in the problems. |
| 21:22.57 | fiberchunks | yah, I dig it |
| 21:22.59 | Nidhoggr | I need to find time to play with my mac some more. |
| 21:23.10 | Nidhoggr | one of my 2 wacom tablets died this morning. :( |
| 21:24.36 | bzgirl | hmm..spiff looks like a young Val Kilmer |
| 21:28.38 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> perhaps it has something to do with the interaction between X and bz? I.e. if it runs in windowed mode just fine, then the window manager is essentially wrapped around that process -- ? |
| 21:28.52 | fiberchunks | dunno, my skillz are not superior, just a suggestion |
| 21:31.27 | fiberchunks | cause it seems to be fine in windowed mode for me |
| 21:42.54 | fiberchunks | it does work flawlessly in windowed mode |
| 22:09.10 | learner | I've also been successful just turning off blending |
| 22:10.21 | learner | fiber: we don't use X on the mac |
| 22:11.02 | fiberchunks | learner> well, from an x86 perspective -- it seems that just windowing the derned thing solves the problem |
| 22:11.31 | fiberchunks | ran it both in 1600x1200, 1280x1024, works a treat, no lock ups, etc (course, I've only played for about 30 minutes ) ... |
| 22:11.45 | fiberchunks | but if non-windowed -- locks up |
| 22:11.46 | learner | but windowed? |
| 22:11.46 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 22:11.47 | Nidhoggr | nothing like cleaning up the mess of a compromized server. not my favorite work day in a long time. |
| 22:11.51 | learner | ah |
| 22:11.54 | fiberchunks | windowed, nothing -- works fine |
| 22:12.38 | fiberchunks | so I'm thinking that for us x86 folk with X, that if you window it, and allow the WM to handle it (for some reason), then it's stable. |
| 22:12.47 | fiberchunks | but i am no code / process wizard |
| 22:12.48 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 22:12.57 | learner | did you try turning off blending? |
| 22:13.05 | fiberchunks | in fullscreen, no |
| 22:13.07 | fiberchunks | I didn't |
| 22:13.10 | fiberchunks | I can though |
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| 22:13.29 | fiberchunks | lemme go play for about 10 with blending turned off |
| 22:14.48 | learner | cool |
| 22:17.32 | Chestal | good night |
| 22:17.46 | bzgirl | nite Chestal |
| 22:18.14 | [dmp] | bzgirl: what 3d card are you using? |
| 22:18.49 | bzgirl | ninvida geforce2 32mb |
| 22:19.42 | [dmp] | then our setup should be similar. But yet, i cant compile bzflag anymore |
| 22:20.41 | bzgirl | what are the errors? |
| 22:21.40 | [dmp] | my guess would be that its related to "checking for X... no" (configure) |
| 22:21.57 | [dmp] | it cant find GL/gl.h |
| 22:22.59 | Tupone | dmp: Distribution you use? |
| 22:23.16 | [dmp] | debian/unstable |
| 22:23.45 | Chestal | uhm |
| 22:23.49 | Chestal | dmp: do you have /usr/include/GL/gl.h ? |
| 22:24.27 | [dmp] | no, but i got /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL/gl.h |
| 22:24.32 | bzgirl | and you have libGL.so.1.2 |
| 22:24.37 | bzgirl | ? |
| 22:25.06 | Tupone | can you look at config.log? |
| 22:25.20 | Tupone | Must be something that does not compile well |
| 22:25.38 | [dmp] | bzgirl: yes |
| 22:26.08 | Tupone | 'cause checking for X must be yes! |
| 22:26.16 | fiberchunks | learner -- that seems to do it yes |
| 22:26.33 | fiberchunks | but it makes it look like shite ;) |
| 22:27.29 | [dmp] | Tupone: configure:3257: checking for X |
| 22:27.29 | [dmp] | configure:3363: gcc -E conftest.c |
| 22:27.29 | [dmp] | configure:3367: X11/Intrinsic.h: No such file or directory |
| 22:27.41 | [dmp] | gonna check if i got that file |
| 22:27.51 | [dmp] | i dont. |
| 22:28.07 | Tupone | So you miss that file. I suppose it is in some package you have not installed |
| 22:28.30 | Tupone | something like XFree86-devel |
| 22:29.56 | JBDiGriz | yeah, it looks terrible, but it helps us to narrow down the problem. We have to start looking at fullscreen mode. |
| 22:30.32 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> but yes, that seems to do it |
| 22:30.42 | [dmp] | Tupone: could it be xlibmesa-dev ? |
| 22:31.00 | Tupone | No. It is from XFree86 |
| 22:31.01 | fiberchunks | course, I only played for about 12 minutes or so -- but I'll play fullscreen from now on with blending off |
| 22:31.28 | JBDiGriz | I would appreciate that a lot, if we can narrow down this problem, we can probably fix it for everyone! |
| 22:31.50 | fiberchunks | yeah, I'll play that way -- (my poor eyeballs ;) ) |
| 22:32.05 | JBDiGriz | And then I can have the pretty super bullets like everyone else! :) |
| 22:32.34 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> but still though -- why would blending work in windowed and not full screen mode? ---- oh, you said that you need to look at fullscreen above |
| 22:32.36 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 22:32.37 | fiberchunks | nm |
| 22:33.22 | JBDiGriz | We don't have windowed mode on the mac, since it's not running under X11. I'm curious about the difference in blending between the modes. |
| 22:33.44 | Tupone | dmp: could be xlib-dev |
| 22:34.06 | Chestal | grmpf, my connection at home went down, cannot checkwhetehr I have Intrinsic.h |
| 22:34.13 | Chestal | butI guess I have because it works fine for me |
| 22:34.13 | Tupone | dmp: or to be more precise xlibs-dev |
| 22:34.37 | Tupone | dmp: try to install that and see if the file come-up |
| 22:34.56 | [dmp] | Tupone: argh, damn, just found it :) |
| 22:38.19 | [dmp] | Tupone: it found x now. |
| 22:39.55 | [dmp] | Tupone: compiling, it seems to work. thanks. |
| 22:39.58 | [dmp] | doh. |
| 22:40.37 | Tupone | dmp: build bzflag? |
| 22:41.15 | [dmp] | Tupone: tried. it failed, still cant find GL/gl.h |
| 22:41.15 | Tupone | ~doh |
| 22:41.33 | Tupone | dmp: Now you have got something from nvidia? |
| 22:41.58 | [dmp] | Tupone: /usr/share/doc/NVIDIA_GLX-1.0/include/GL/gl.h .. yes. |
| 22:42.17 | Tupone | but it must be on /usr/include/GL/ |
| 22:42.30 | Tupone | or a symlink |
| 22:42.34 | [dmp] | should i add --x-includes=/usr/share/doc/N../includes/ ? |
| 22:42.35 | [dmp] | oh |
| 22:42.49 | Tupone | dmp: look at /usr/include GL is there |
| 22:43.42 | Tupone | dmp: do not add nothing to configure! It should work cause I build it. but with mesa. It's unplayable |
| 22:43.50 | [dmp] | Tupone: No GL. |
| 22:44.10 | [dmp] | Tupone: in /usr/include/ |
| 22:44.45 | Tupone | dmp: Try to install the mesa |
| 22:45.03 | Tupone | dmp: after yo build we can accelerate .... |
| 22:46.22 | [dmp] | Tupone: installing xlibmesa-dev .. |
| 22:47.38 | Tupone | when You was configuring it have looked at some checking for GL .. and checking for GLU? |
| 22:49.19 | [dmp] | Tupone: it didnt find them before, but do now. |
| 22:50.06 | Tupone | After installing mesa? |
| 22:50.21 | [dmp] | yep |
| 22:50.50 | bzgirl | dmp you can build a .deb also if you want |
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| 22:53.55 | Tupone | dmp: What do you get from nvidia? A debian package? |
| 22:54.24 | [dmp] | Tupone: no, their own package |
| 22:54.30 | [dmp] | from nvidia. |
| 22:54.48 | Tupone | dmp: In debian format? |
| 22:55.49 | [dmp] | Tupone: No, its their own format with an installer. |
| 22:57.12 | learner | fiber: saw your reply.. heheh -- yes looks like shite, but fixes the problem. |
| 22:58.05 | Tupone | dmp: the libGL.so and libGLU.so are in the correct location? (the one from NVIDIA) |
| 22:58.36 | learner | fiber: what's your system? linux? |
| 22:59.31 | fiberchunks | yessir |
| 22:59.48 | fiberchunks | Linux horkinfiberchunks 2.4.20-gentoo-r5 #1 Sun Jun 1 23:16:45 EDT 2003 i686 AMD Athlon(tm) AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux |
| 23:00.07 | [dmp] | Tupone: how do i tell, its a regular libGL or the one from nvidia? |
| 23:00.23 | learner | love the system name, fiber |
| 23:00.35 | fiberchunks | hehe, from a Denis Leary routine :) |
| 23:00.39 | Tupone | dmp: don't know? try strings on that? |
| 23:01.44 | fiberchunks | any of you linuxers using a hardware NAT router (i.e. linksys, dlink, netgear) for your lan? If so, what kind, and would you recommend it? |
| 23:01.56 | Tupone | dmp: like strings /usr/lib/libGL.so|grep -i nvidia |
| 23:02.20 | learner | heheh, Spiff actually looks like Calvin! |
| 23:02.26 | [dmp] | Tupone: no nvidia string found |
| 23:03.02 | Tupone | dmp: have you got other libGL.so in other location. If not try to reinstall nvidia now |
| 23:03.03 | bzgirl | calvin & hobbes? |
| 23:03.10 | learner | :) yes |
| 23:03.18 | [dmp] | Tupone: the same goes for the stuff in /usr/X11R6/lib/.. |
| 23:03.39 | Tupone | dmp: they are symlink. I suppose |
| 23:04.03 | Nidhoggr | fiber.. I'm using a linksys, and am not totally fond of it. |
| 23:04.30 | bzgirl | thats fibers favorite kind of router! |
| 23:04.36 | Nidhoggr | some quirky bits with multiple players using same bzflag server from behind NAT |
| 23:05.28 | [dmp] | Tupone: nvidia installer dont like me having X running (well, no surprise, just abit annoying :-| ) |
| 23:05.50 | Tupone | dmp: I know that. |
| 23:06.23 | Tupone | dmp: If you want to try with 0 3d acceleration just use that mesa libs. It's really slooowly |
| 23:06.26 | bzgirl | Nidhoggr: if i join from another pc, even to observe, my linksys makes the client im playing with go nr |
| 23:07.02 | Nidhoggr | nod same here. |
| 23:07.36 | bzgirl | its a pain, cos i cant even play against my brother :( |
| 23:07.39 | Nidhoggr | but... if my partner gets on server, and starts rolling and gets a flag, and I join and start going right after, it works. |
| 23:07.55 | Nidhoggr | but it sometimes breaks unexpectedly |
| 23:08.06 | bzgirl | oh..? i'll try that maybe |
| 23:08.16 | Nidhoggr | yeah, it's worth a go. |
| 23:08.20 | fiberchunks | will this work? make &> | maketext.foo |
| 23:08.26 | fiberchunks | will this work? make &> | makefoo.txt |
| 23:08.39 | Nidhoggr | I don't think so. |
| 23:08.51 | Nidhoggr | make > makefoo.txt |
| 23:08.54 | Tupone | Why just don't use script? |
| 23:08.56 | Nidhoggr | make > makefoo.txt & |
| 23:09.01 | fiberchunks | yes, but what about stderr |
| 23:09.04 | fiberchunks | ah, the & |
| 23:09.10 | Nidhoggr | make > makefoo.txt 2>&1& |
| 23:09.28 | Nidhoggr | 2> directs sterr |
| 23:09.30 | Nidhoggr | stderr |
| 23:09.41 | fiberchunks | yes, so does &> iirc |
| 23:09.50 | Tupone | make 2> |
| 23:09.52 | learner | >& |
| 23:10.12 | JBDiGriz | which shell are you using, bash is different than csh |
| 23:10.15 | fiberchunks | the idea is to take stdout and stderr, and pipe it to say, more |
| 23:10.17 | fiberchunks | bash |
| 23:10.28 | JBDiGriz | foo 2>&1 > mk.log |
| 23:10.28 | [dmp] | Tupone: it works, and it dosnt use software rendering. |
| 23:10.30 | Tupone | make 2>&1 & |
| 23:10.33 | fiberchunks | i.e. make &> | more |
| 23:10.48 | Tupone | dmp: frame x sec? |
| 23:10.58 | JBDiGriz | make 2>&1 | more |
| 23:11.04 | fiberchunks | righto, thx |
| 23:11.07 | learner | I usually build to a log and then watch the log |
| 23:11.13 | [dmp] | 70-80ms (normal) |
| 23:11.14 | learner | make >& build.log & |
| 23:11.16 | learner | then |
| 23:11.17 | fiberchunks | tail -f the log? |
| 23:11.22 | learner | tail -f build.log |
| 23:11.25 | JBDiGriz | now we'll go into how to do macros in vi and emacs ;) |
| 23:11.25 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 23:11.29 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 23:11.38 | learner | lol |
| 23:11.53 | Tupone | dmp: so it's slow for GeForce 2. You should get 60/70 fps |
| 23:12.03 | learner | you can turn that whole thing into a one-liner piping it to "tee" |
| 23:12.09 | JBDiGriz | we send an awk script grepping after Nidhoggr |
| 23:12.10 | Nidhoggr | so far, I haven't seen Spoogebob once since we emailed him. |
| 23:12.16 | fiberchunks | yay! |
| 23:12.19 | Nidhoggr | this has to be a record. |
| 23:12.21 | bzgirl | me either |
| 23:12.30 | Nidhoggr | I think he knows he's busted. |
| 23:12.39 | JBDiGriz | I think you might have nailed him! Great Work! |
| 23:12.46 | learner | Sounds good. |
| 23:12.46 | Nidhoggr | besides.. my friend in dallas said he'd go take a pic of his front door for me. |
| 23:12.50 | [dmp] | Tupone: im tired. i get 70-80 fps .. sorry |
| 23:12.54 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:13.23 | Tupone | dmp: OK. Remember to install again nvidia to get more. Bye |
| 23:13.26 | JBDiGriz | learner: do you want my changes to the build script, or should i create a patch. |
| 23:13.43 | learner | I'd love to have them |
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| 23:14.31 | Nidhoggr | I hope I can make it through the next hour and 45 minutes of work. |
| 23:14.34 | Nidhoggr | been a long day. |
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| 23:16.24 | [dmp] | ..and suddenly its bedtime :) |
| 23:16.40 | [dmp] | oh, hi david :) |
| 23:16.44 | Nidhoggr | mmmm |
| 23:16.53 | Nidhoggr | I bought a really nice bottle of wine last night. |
| 23:17.02 | fiberchunks | ah, a wine drinker |
| 23:17.09 | Nidhoggr | 1998 King Estates Pinot Noir |
| 23:17.17 | Nidhoggr | I also like beer |
| 23:17.18 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:17.27 | david_v | [dmp]: dave is away. he was last seen crushing his home after sucking badly at bzflag |
| 23:18.14 | fiberchunks | but I rarely drink the wine -- mostly shots and beer for this blue-collar type dude ;) |
| 23:18.18 | [dmp] | david_v: so what else is new? :-p |
| 23:18.20 | Nidhoggr | they only had 1 1998 in stock. I grabbed it so fast, made some heads spin. |
| 23:18.26 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 23:18.48 | Nidhoggr | I drink far more beer than wine, though. |
| 23:19.09 | david_v | [dmp]: i'm a limited bot and can only understand limited commands. my interpretation, however, is that you wonder about the local news. i'm not programmed to report that |
| 23:19.35 | david_v | [dmp]: on the other hand, though, what is a robot? |
| 23:19.41 | learner | lol, david |
| 23:20.03 | david_v | :) |
| 23:23.40 | [dmp] | david_v: You win, i go :) .. cu |
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