| 00:00.33 | fiberchunks | oh yeah, Patlabor221: if you do decide to fiddle with gentoo -- there are 3 places you can start from: 1) the stage 1 install, which means you start from scratch, 2) the stage 2 install (bootstrapping and the basic system are taken care of), and 3) all the previous is done for you -- but you still have to do the kernel compile, etc. |
| 00:00.55 | Patlabor221 | ooo the K word |
| 00:01.15 | *** join/#bzflag captain_proton (~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com) |
| 00:01.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_proton] by asimov.freenode.net |
| 00:01.30 | fiberchunks | but none of those are difficult - as long as you follow the docs), and with a stage 1 install, you can customize / optimize the whoot out of your sys. |
| 00:01.38 | Tupone | captain_proton: A minute for me? |
| 00:02.49 | Patlabor221 | see custimisation for me is just the pointy clicky things :) |
| 00:03.16 | Patlabor221 | well and maybe samba that works |
| 00:04.05 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 00:04.12 | Patlabor221 | and anjunta |
| 00:04.16 | fiberchunks | well, try em out, see which one suits your style |
| 00:04.23 | fiberchunks | anjuta's nice with gtk2 interface |
| 00:04.36 | Patlabor221 | and something that can figure out what the heck the USB web cam is |
| 00:04.55 | fiberchunks | what kind of cam is it? |
| 00:05.14 | Patlabor221 | a kensington |
| 00:05.26 | fiberchunks | if you know the chipset, it makes life much easier |
| 00:05.33 | fiberchunks | cause there may be kernel support for it |
| 00:05.42 | Patlabor221 | I don't thats the problem |
| 00:05.49 | fiberchunks | crack that sucker open ;) |
| 00:05.54 | Patlabor221 | I think it's kensington "dumpserware" |
| 00:05.59 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:07.55 | Patlabor221 | ick 20k a sec |
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| 00:18.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:19.54 | patlabor221 | debian is 7 cds? |
| 00:20.02 | fiberchunks | dunno |
| 00:20.10 | fiberchunks | gentoo's 1 |
| 00:20.11 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 00:20.24 | fiberchunks | 40 M stage 1 install |
| 00:20.59 | fiberchunks | what kind of hardware in that machine patlabor221? |
| 00:21.02 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 00:21.28 | learner | ~bzg |
| 00:21.35 | fiberchunks | wow, a search engine playin bzflag -- now it's getting big ;) |
| 00:21.50 | patlabor221 | AMD XP 1900+ in some mobo,GF2 with both IDe and scsi cdrom drives |
| 00:22.01 | fiberchunks | real scsi? |
| 00:22.11 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:22.14 | doughecka | nice |
| 00:22.24 | fiberchunks | shouldn't be a problem -- IDE hard drives? |
| 00:22.53 | patlabor221 | ya |
| 00:23.08 | fiberchunks | what about audio? |
| 00:23.14 | fiberchunks | integrated or seperate? |
| 00:23.21 | patlabor221 | via, on the mobo stuff |
| 00:23.22 | fiberchunks | and lan? |
| 00:23.31 | fiberchunks | that might be tricky -- |
| 00:23.34 | patlabor221 | or an ensoniq |
| 00:23.40 | patlabor221 | or a SB live |
| 00:23.44 | fiberchunks | well then that's no problem |
| 00:23.47 | fiberchunks | lan? |
| 00:23.48 | patlabor221 | I have a pile |
| 00:23.59 | fiberchunks | integrated or separate -- this is important for gentoo |
| 00:24.08 | patlabor221 | I have 5 nick here to chose from |
| 00:24.17 | patlabor221 | 3com, dlink, realtec etcc |
| 00:24.18 | fiberchunks | cool -- then that's no problem either -- |
| 00:24.32 | patlabor221 | it's got it on the mobo too |
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| 00:24.38 | fiberchunks | you know what kind? |
| 00:24.45 | doughecka | my work has like 30 video cards scattered all over the place :) |
| 00:24.48 | fiberchunks | via probably |
| 00:24.48 | patlabor221 | via stuff |
| 00:24.58 | patlabor221 | ohh it's allready got a sb live in it |
| 00:25.17 | fiberchunks | sb live is good stuff -- hardware mixing support in the module for alsa |
| 00:25.53 | bryjen | ibot: bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 00:26.44 | patlabor221 | I must be spoiled, I'm thinking 42 min to get 210 megs is too long |
| 00:26.56 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 00:26.57 | patlabor221 | I remember when 4k/s was godly |
| 00:27.17 | fiberchunks | and nutscrape nippletwister was the god of browsers |
| 00:27.32 | patlabor221 | it was the only browser |
| 00:27.48 | patlabor221 | I remember geting IE on a CD |
| 00:28.38 | captain_proton | gah |
| 00:28.38 | patlabor221 | is gentoo compatable with cathair? |
| 00:28.43 | patlabor221 | LOTS of cat hair? |
| 00:28.44 | captain_proton | derv & spiff complaining about hunting |
| 00:28.53 | patlabor221 | no they are whining |
| 00:28.57 | captain_proton | patlabor221: you don't want gentoo :P |
| 00:29.00 | fiberchunks | patlabor221> cat hair is it's strongest selling point |
| 00:29.04 | fiberchunks | sure he does ;) |
| 00:29.07 | patlabor221 | fiber says I do |
| 00:29.19 | patlabor221 | I am scared |
| 00:29.28 | patlabor221 | but debian is FARKIN huge it seems |
| 00:29.30 | captain_proton | gentoo requires a specific amount of knowledge to really get everything working |
| 00:29.32 | fiberchunks | fiber says do what you feel, I think gentoo's fine for n00bs |
| 00:29.37 | fiberchunks | if you can read |
| 00:29.40 | captain_proton | and if you don't have that, it'll just piss you off |
| 00:29.59 | fiberchunks | kernel knowledge seems to be the biggest stumbling block |
| 00:30.37 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: you think patlabor221 has ever configured a kernel? :P |
| 00:30.49 | fiberchunks | no, but that's what ppl like you and I are for ;) |
| 00:30.58 | patlabor221 | jesus what do they do sleep in this thing when I am not here\ |
| 00:31.12 | fiberchunks | and if he keeps his old kernel config around for later reference -- shouldn't be too tough |
| 00:31.20 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: i spend all day doing tech support type things for people |
| 00:31.28 | fiberchunks | yeah, but you're a nice guy ;) |
| 00:31.31 | captain_proton | i don't like having to spend my free time doing it as well :P |
| 00:31.35 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:31.58 | fiberchunks | well, alright, then that's what #gentoo, and I am here for then ;) |
| 00:32.09 | patlabor221 | so cap, your saying I'm stupid then right? |
| 00:32.09 | captain_proton | #gentoo sucks |
| 00:32.19 | captain_proton | patlabor221: no, i'm saying you're inexperienced with linux |
| 00:32.55 | patlabor221 | aww hell I'm a windows user I'm use to reinstalling what can the harm be? :) |
| 00:33.01 | captain_proton | and a more non-linux-guru distribution will give you fewer headaches |
| 00:33.01 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:33.37 | fiberchunks | really? hrm, hasn't been my experience with it, but ymmv |
| 00:33.39 | bryjen | meebee you've not applied enough voltage |
| 00:34.25 | captain_proton | bryjen: very possibly |
| 00:35.01 | patlabor221 | ooooo I could do BeOs :) |
| 00:35.15 | captain_proton | you could also stab yourself in the eye |
| 00:35.20 | bryjen | OS2 ? |
| 00:35.21 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 00:35.25 | fiberchunks | dos |
| 00:35.29 | patlabor221 | ive done that before |
| 00:35.49 | patlabor221 | ohh I could do .net 2k3 and be done with it but where is the fun in that |
| 00:36.03 | captain_proton | 2k3 is a server :P |
| 00:36.14 | patlabor221 | yes I know |
| 00:36.22 | patlabor221 | this is not for my main machine |
| 00:36.23 | bryjen | and the difference between NT server and workstation is ..... ? |
| 00:36.34 | scanline | bryjen: price |
| 00:36.35 | patlabor221 | it looks coller |
| 00:36.42 | patlabor221 | and will run direct X :) |
| 00:36.46 | patlabor221 | and supports USB |
| 00:37.14 | bryjen | DX won't run on a "server" product? |
| 00:37.27 | patlabor221 | no, on the NTs |
| 00:37.38 | bryjen | W2K = NT5 |
| 00:37.42 | patlabor221 | actualy it won't run on ether WS or Servr |
| 00:37.45 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:37.56 | patlabor221 | 2k has support for all kinds of stuff |
| 00:38.00 | patlabor221 | XP = NT6 |
| 00:38.06 | patlabor221 | guess what 2k3 is :) |
| 00:38.08 | learner | BeOS was sweet |
| 00:38.22 | captain_proton | was |
| 00:38.38 | patlabor221 | but if I installed BeOS they would have 6 users then |
| 00:38.40 | learner | tried to get it to install on my old 486 a couple weeks ago... hehehehe |
| 00:38.46 | captain_proton | now its a loosely supported half-in-development OS without any apps |
| 00:38.49 | learner | lol, pat |
| 00:38.54 | bryjen | old argument still applies. "server" or "workstation" is mostly a marketing/pricing thing. mostly the same. |
| 00:39.04 | patlabor221 | not realy |
| 00:39.16 | patlabor221 | in the NT side, server had a lot more stuff |
| 00:39.22 | patlabor221 | as did 2k |
| 00:39.32 | patlabor221 | 2k server came with IIS, and active directory |
| 00:39.39 | patlabor221 | and it's kenel supported them |
| 00:39.47 | patlabor221 | and it supports more processors |
| 00:39.50 | bryjen | can you say bundled apps? |
| 00:40.07 | patlabor221 | well it was more then that cus they needed services in the OS to run |
| 00:40.14 | bryjen | and a constant defined at compile time. |
| 00:40.15 | patlabor221 | AD is very tight to the OS |
| 00:40.21 | patlabor221 | probably |
| 00:40.33 | patlabor221 | it surely was a marketing choice |
| 00:40.40 | patlabor221 | server came with more docs and stuff |
| 00:40.51 | patlabor221 | and a lot of stuff that most people didn't need |
| 00:41.06 | bryjen | The theory started back in NT4 time that workstation and server differed only slightly |
| 00:41.08 | patlabor221 | and licenses for 25 users |
| 00:41.23 | patlabor221 | yes it started like that |
| 00:41.29 | bryjen | some even suggested you could change one to the other with some deep registry voodoo |
| 00:41.39 | patlabor221 | I think in NT3.51 you chose server or ws at install time. |
| 00:41.55 | patlabor221 | on NT4 maybe, regiistry and DLL replacement |
| 00:42.02 | patlabor221 | now it would be almost a full install |
| 00:42.19 | bryjen | That's what I'm doubting |
| 00:42.43 | patlabor221 | I tried it with 2k, it didn't work |
| 00:43.02 | patlabor221 | replacing the dlls in system 32 are not somehting that they designed end users to do |
| 00:43.19 | captain_proton | XP includes all sorts of crap that 2k3 server doesn't |
| 00:43.31 | bryjen | meebee you didn't pronounce the incantations correctly ;) |
| 00:43.32 | patlabor221 | yeah like the lame as greeter thing |
| 00:43.48 | captain_proton | while the core kernel may be similar |
| 00:44.02 | patlabor221 | they use the same drivers iirc |
| 00:44.03 | captain_proton | the "operating system / user environment" is very different |
| 00:44.05 | bryjen | OR your sacrifice lied and wasn't really a virgin. |
| 00:44.16 | patlabor221 | she was 9 |
| 00:44.47 | bryjen | well. that got unfunny fast. |
| 00:44.59 | patlabor221 | yeah I know how to stop the sillyness :) |
| 00:45.20 | bryjen | Youse guys would tell me if I cross the line from smart a*to dumd a* :) |
| 00:45.31 | patlabor221 | now there isn't much dif between XP home and XP pro |
| 00:45.42 | patlabor221 | mostly networking stuff |
| 00:45.49 | patlabor221 | and default install settings |
| 00:45.56 | captain_proton | and XP home tries to help you out a lot more |
| 00:46.31 | patlabor221 | yeah it took me a bit to tell it,"JUST DO DHCP DAMNIT" |
| 00:46.38 | patlabor221 | I try to only install pro if I can help it |
| 00:46.53 | captain_proton | "lets start the networking wizard, to guide you through the process of selecting DHCP!" |
| 00:47.03 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:47.21 | patlabor221 | tho the first thing I do is turn off the "I am an idiot" checkbox |
| 00:47.25 | bryjen | Have I already used the "This is were..." M$ crack today? |
| 00:48.19 | bryjen | "I am an idiot" checkbox <- heh. and there's lots of those. |
| 00:48.23 | bryjen | checkboxes |
| 00:48.33 | patlabor221 | 5 of them in the shell |
| 00:48.58 | patlabor221 | then I install my "I am realy not an idiot, shell extenstions" :) |
| 00:49.30 | patlabor221 | I do need to finish my right click CR/LF converter thingy |
| 00:49.49 | bryjen | At work we turn most of the XP eye candy/web-like stuff off. |
| 00:50.00 | patlabor221 | yeah as do we |
| 00:50.06 | captain_proton | eye candy? |
| 00:50.13 | patlabor221 | heck all my comps run the aqua theme |
| 00:50.25 | captain_proton | you call that green & blue splooge "eye candy" ?!? |
| 00:50.41 | doughecka | moldy eye candy :P |
| 00:50.43 | patlabor221 | my first windows, theme |
| 00:50.50 | bryjen | One of the lusers with apparently half-a-clue, took a look at his new XP machine and said "What Windows this?" "It doesn't look like XP" |
| 00:50.53 | patlabor221 | he probalby means the effects |
| 00:51.06 | patlabor221 | and the folder tips and stuff |
| 00:51.47 | bryjen | Useless visual junk. |
| 00:51.53 | bryjen | Meebee not candy then |
| 00:52.53 | bryjen | Fluff pixels |
| 00:53.30 | bryjen | Hmmm, what something with no nutritional value or flavor? |
| 00:53.39 | patlabor221 | cellery |
| 00:53.54 | patlabor221 | air |
| 00:53.58 | doughecka | air |
| 00:54.13 | patlabor221 | too slow |
| 00:54.26 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/desky.jpg |
| 00:54.32 | doughecka | hmm, air helps keep people alive... :) |
| 00:54.34 | patlabor221 | that is my XP desktop |
| 00:54.46 | patlabor221 | no, just most humans doug |
| 00:56.10 | bryjen | Oh-muh-gawd Adelphia sucks. |
| 00:56.13 | fiberchunks | 'do you think that's air you're breathing now......... hm?' |
| 00:57.02 | bzgirl | patlabor221: you like paul oakenfold? |
| 00:57.20 | captain_proton | its in fact not air that doughecka is breathing at the moment, but a specially handcrafted blend of olive oil and aspic |
| 00:57.20 | bzgirl | i luv that stuff |
| 00:57.29 | patlabor221 | I have heard very little but yes |
| 00:57.57 | patlabor221 | that song is great too bad the movie that the quotes are from sucked. |
| 00:58.27 | doughecka | aspic? |
| 00:58.52 | bryjen | patlabor221: dualhead ? |
| 00:58.58 | patlabor221 | of course |
| 00:59.18 | bzgirl | omg, you listen to "unknown artist" hes great also |
| 00:59.21 | patlabor221 | tho I need to get a larger second monitor |
| 00:59.29 | patlabor221 | yeah unknown ROCKS |
| 00:59.35 | doughecka | gah, mirc :) |
| 00:59.35 | patlabor221 | I love track 3 |
| 00:59.39 | bzgirl | heh, ive got lots by him |
| 00:59.47 | bryjen | hehe -> "killstick" |
| 01:00.03 | patlabor221 | it's a sony :) |
| 01:00.06 | fiberchunks | not literally ;) |
| 01:01.56 | patlabor221 | hmm that pic makes me realise I need to clean the desktop |
| 01:02.16 | bzgirl | is that 2 different sized monitors? |
| 01:02.28 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:02.31 | bryjen | he a bit lopsided |
| 01:02.32 | patlabor221 | a 19 and a 17 |
| 01:02.37 | patlabor221 | the 21 died:( |
| 01:03.12 | doughecka | yea, the last screen shot was diferent :) |
| 01:03.19 | doughecka | like, bigger :) |
| 01:03.30 | bryjen | ibot: bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 01:03.33 | patlabor221 | well I have sent screnies from all 3 main systems at one point or another |
| 01:03.40 | bryjen | Ooooo. Frest meat! |
| 01:04.33 | captain_proton | frest meat? |
| 01:05.13 | captain_proton | augh, my eyes |
| 01:05.25 | bryjen | grrrr. lagged to my own server. that's just wrong. |
| 01:06.03 | patlabor221 | gack I got no nero |
| 01:06.08 | bryjen | Haven't seen many players recently |
| 01:06.25 | doughecka | wow, the person who thought snap together plastic cd drives would be good should be shot |
| 01:06.53 | doughecka | ~brygen is see bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 01:06.53 | | okay, doughecka |
| 01:06.59 | doughecka | ~brygen |
| 01:06.59 | | brygen is, like, see bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 01:07.14 | doughecka | ~no, bryjen is <reply> see bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 01:07.34 | captain_proton | doughecka: stop playing with the bot |
| 01:11.12 | patlabor221 | well no burning till I gets a nero serial numbah |
| 01:13.21 | learner | bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 01:13.28 | learner | oops, sry |
| 01:13.45 | fiberchunks | oooo, I had one around here |
| 01:45.47 | *** join/#bzflag iLLf8d (~neener@user-0can1b0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 01:46.01 | iLLf8d | hey anyone got admin on xmission? |
| 01:46.14 | iLLf8d | anyone? |
| 01:46.34 | iLLf8d | a cheater needs to be banned |
| 01:46.46 | iLLf8d | he's respawning on other peoples bases |
| 01:47.10 | iLLf8d | also had a ctf flag earlier and gms |
| 02:10.16 | patlabor221 | hey fiber you around? |
| 02:11.51 | fiberchunks | yessir |
| 03:01.51 | learner | quiet room |
| 03:05.08 | patlabor221 | loud world! |
| 03:05.20 | bzgirl | ~sul |
| 03:05.25 | bzgirl | hmm :) |
| 03:05.33 | patlabor221 | we can add that if you want |
| 03:05.56 | bzgirl | no no, just testing |
| 03:06.34 | patlabor221 | whoa my windows XP has ls |
| 03:06.38 | patlabor221 | how wierd |
| 03:07.18 | bzgirl | the command? |
| 03:07.29 | bzgirl | or some desiese? |
| 03:07.37 | patlabor221 | the command |
| 03:07.46 | bzgirl | i think linix has dir |
| 03:07.55 | bzgirl | yup |
| 03:07.59 | patlabor221 | but I've done ls on XP at work and it never works |
| 03:08.12 | patlabor221 | I do it by accedent all the time |
| 03:23.13 | learner | Does ibot catch patch submissions to sourceforge? |
| 03:25.06 | patlabor221 | no |
| 03:25.12 | patlabor221 | nor does CIA |
| 03:26.41 | learner | do they catch anything on sourceforge? |
| 03:27.06 | patlabor221 | CIA does commits |
| 03:29.22 | captain_proton | CIA was for a while |
| 03:29.27 | captain_proton | but its inexplicably broken :) |
| 03:31.55 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 03:32.00 | captain_proton | spiff is getting more and more whiny |
| 03:33.57 | patlabor221 | if it just turns into a whine fest I will lock it |
| 03:34.01 | patlabor221 | heck you can lock it |
| 03:34.21 | *** join/#bzflag rioter (j@1Cust106.tnt2.wollongong.au.da.uu.net) |
| 03:34.24 | bzgirl | i hunt monkey all the time |
| 03:34.32 | bzgirl | and vice versa |
| 03:34.36 | learner | ~ducati6 |
| 03:34.43 | learner | :( |
| 03:34.47 | captain_proton | bzgirl: i used to have that relationship with a LOT of people |
| 03:34.50 | captain_proton | and its funny |
| 03:34.56 | captain_proton | because they were the best at the time |
| 03:34.58 | captain_proton | and none of them whined |
| 03:35.05 | fiberchunks | spiff whines about you hunting him though captain_proton ;) |
| 03:35.14 | fiberchunks | thinks it's a vendetta or sumthin |
| 03:35.19 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: he whines to no end whenever anybody hunts him |
| 03:35.25 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 03:35.31 | captain_proton | i could understand the whining if he was a newbie |
| 03:35.33 | captain_proton | but he's not |
| 03:36.07 | patlabor221 | it's called friendly rivalry, he should get used to it |
| 03:36.09 | learner | ah, young and emotionally high strung.. |
| 03:36.15 | bzgirl | chestal says im his favorite target :( |
| 03:36.42 | bzgirl | i get him back by making boatloads of feature requests :) |
| 03:36.58 | learner | lol, girl |
| 03:37.35 | captain_proton | bzgirl: =) |
| 03:37.44 | bryjen | does XP still have the "POSIX subsystem" ? |
| 03:38.00 | bzgirl | keep the mole busy i say. |
| 03:38.05 | bryjen | or was that just the API and not the common utilities? |
| 03:39.00 | learner | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/default.asp?url=/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/prkc_fil_wqcq.asp |
| 03:39.18 | learner | No, bryjen, not included |
| 03:41.14 | bryjen | Ah. I remember hearing that it wasnt all that. mostly just there to fill in checkbox on the marketing materials |
| 03:41.35 | learner | That's the Posix layer in NT/2000 |
| 03:41.41 | bryjen | about like the OS2 compatibility |
| 03:41.44 | learner | Navy paid for that checkbox |
| 03:42.18 | bryjen | 'cause everybody needs to run text-mode OS2 apps :) |
| 03:43.36 | learner | Is there a way to log server activity? I.e. capture text chatter, joins/leaves, kills, etc to a text file |
| 03:43.39 | bryjen | ibot: brygen |
| 03:43.40 | | brygen is probably see bzfquery 63.147.94.149 |
| 03:43.51 | bryjen | ibot: forget brygen |
| 03:43.51 | | bryjen: i forgot brygen |
| 03:44.03 | learner | ibot: forget learner |
| 03:44.37 | bryjen | no ack? |
| 03:44.40 | bryjen | ibot: brygen |
| 03:44.41 | | bryjen: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 03:44.52 | bryjen | strong, silent ibot |
| 03:45.03 | learner | factoid is too old, he won't remove me.. |
| 03:45.15 | learner | ibot: where is learner? |
| 03:45.17 | | you are probably bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 03:45.23 | learner | ibot: forget learner |
| 03:45.23 | | i forgot learner, learner |
| 03:45.28 | learner | thx |
| 03:46.43 | bryjen | bzfs -d 1 sets debug level one. lotsa stuff sent to stdout |
| 03:47.04 | learner | I was afraid that would be your answer.. hrmpf |
| 03:47.34 | bryjen | not too much stuff. |
| 03:48.36 | bryjen | oops. not -d 1 , just -d |
| 03:48.48 | bryjen | 1 -d for level 1 |
| 03:49.18 | learner | still not what I want, though |
| 03:49.43 | bryjen | gets joins, chat, autokicks, leaves |
| 03:49.55 | bryjen | a few other things |
| 03:50.05 | learner | Mainly a format issue -- I want to script parse it |
| 03:50.14 | learner | something like httpd log, etc |
| 03:51.57 | bryjen | Ah. There's just enough pattern to the messages to make you think they meant there to be ;) |
| 04:07.48 | patlabor221 | need the flamethower? |
| 04:08.07 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 04:09.09 | patlabor221 | you have admin, just ship it |
| 04:10.50 | captain_proton | hah |
| 04:16.08 | captain_proton | must discuss with apathy, Chestal, larsl |
| 04:17.39 | patlabor221 | 'chip IT!!!! |
| 04:18.02 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 04:18.36 | captain_proton | if i'm gonna pull a fist move like that, i need the backing of the team |
| 04:19.40 | patlabor221 | use the fist |
| 04:20.23 | captain_proton | if i ever do take over, the bzbb post is gonna scare people |
| 04:20.41 | captain_proton | "bzflag is now under my IRON FIST^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hloving care |
| 04:21.31 | captain_proton | betcha spiff would whine if i said that |
| 04:23.00 | fiberchunks | assuredly |
| 04:23.03 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:24.51 | patlabor221 | obey the fist |
| 04:25.10 | patlabor221 | ohh you should see what he said when he found out you were an admin :) |
| 04:26.48 | captain_proton | ooh tell me |
| 04:28.56 | patlabor221 | he was all freakd |
| 04:29.03 | patlabor221 | "you made cap an admin, ohh crap" |
| 04:30.01 | patlabor221 | like when creeper saw me as an op :) |
| 04:30.05 | captain_proton | worried i'd crush him with the fist? |
| 04:30.51 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:30.56 | captain_proton | =} |
| 04:31.00 | patlabor221 | but I told him you would be fair |
| 04:31.01 | captain_proton | that makes me happy |
| 04:31.03 | patlabor221 | and you have been |
| 04:31.14 | captain_proton | i've been more indifferent than fair :) |
| 04:31.24 | patlabor221 | well yes |
| 04:31.32 | patlabor221 | in admingin that is often seen as fair |
| 04:31.36 | patlabor221 | close enough |
| 04:31.45 | patlabor221 | it's not like I'm totaly nutral ether |
| 04:35.24 | fiberchunks | admin where, cap? |
| 04:35.39 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: the boards |
| 04:35.42 | patlabor221 | he is also an admin on BZBB |
| 04:35.52 | fiberchunks | heh, would be nice if patlabor221 would tell me these things ;) |
| 04:35.57 | captain_proton | =) |
| 04:36.00 | patlabor221 | sorry |
| 04:36.05 | patlabor221 | he's the only one |
| 04:36.16 | fiberchunks | not a problem -- don't care really -- caps a good dude ;) |
| 04:36.37 | fiberchunks | just don't make dervish or spiff an admin ;) lol |
| 04:36.42 | patlabor221 | I figured you would pick it up by the color of his name in the status |
| 04:36.43 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:36.45 | patlabor221 | hell no |
| 04:36.52 | patlabor221 | only if I was REALY REALY drunk |
| 04:36.57 | fiberchunks | haven't seen his name when I've been on -- so I haven't picked it up yet |
| 04:37.00 | patlabor221 | or they had a REALY hot sister |
| 04:37.09 | fiberchunks | when did this happen, out of curiousity? |
| 04:37.11 | patlabor221 | it's been like 2 months now |
| 04:37.29 | fiberchunks | jeezus! phbbt -- we'll have to work on your communication skillz ;) |
| 04:37.44 | patlabor221 | I'm laged |
| 04:37.48 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 04:38.31 | patlabor221 | I made BZGirl a moderator in servers so she could keep the local servers in line |
| 04:38.42 | fiberchunks | yah, saw that -- |
| 04:38.55 | patlabor221 | I don't think we need a mod anywhere else |
| 04:39.06 | fiberchunks | no, it's pretty self-regulating, imho |
| 04:39.08 | patlabor221 | not that I don't check the thing like 15 times a day |
| 04:39.11 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:39.20 | patlabor221 | tho we have had some people try some shit |
| 04:39.27 | captain_proton | we should make a no-whining rule |
| 04:39.30 | patlabor221 | that I have had to moderate |
| 04:39.34 | fiberchunks | same here -- we really do need to prune the non-used accounts sometime soon though -- I've a feeling there's tons of em |
| 04:39.42 | fiberchunks | no-spiffing ;) |
| 04:39.53 | patlabor221 | naw, just make a whining forum |
| 04:40.09 | fiberchunks | isn't that what 'chat' is for -- I do enough of it there ;) |
| 04:40.20 | patlabor221 | well yes |
| 04:40.31 | Noodleman | make the whining forum a 'symlink' to sucks500 |
| 04:40.55 | patlabor221 | tho I have thought about making like a "the basement" one, for more of the sillyness and not the chat |
| 04:41.22 | fiberchunks | good idea |
| 04:41.57 | fiberchunks | just double-check the perms when you set em expand em all out sos we don't get that anonymous postage like we did a few months ago |
| 04:42.14 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:42.33 | patlabor221 | tho it would be in "da basement" so it woudln't be too bad :) |
| 04:43.26 | captain_proton | yay for bandoneons |
| 04:43.29 | fiberchunks | is bzgirl around? |
| 04:43.41 | fiberchunks | doesn't seem so |
| 04:46.44 | patlabor221 | no she left |
| 05:23.07 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || upgrade bzfs servers to CVS || 1.7g2 coming RSN || for a giggle, check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo || hell hath no fury like the fist slighted |
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| 05:30.47 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: do you consider it to be in a shippable state? |
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| 05:34.48 | captain_proton | and then there were two |
| 05:34.52 | captain_proton | MrAC: you see my question? |
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| 05:45.39 | captain_proton | hello (echo) |
| 05:45.43 | captain_proton | is there anybody out there? |
| 05:46.23 | fiberchunks | me |
| 05:46.24 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:46.30 | fiberchunks | but I'm no use to you |
| 05:48.02 | Noodleman | m00f |
| 05:52.40 | patlabor221 | spooooooonnnn!!!!! |
| 06:09.22 | captain_proton | oops :) |
| 06:10.16 | fiberchunks | you always do that to the poor guy ;) |
| 06:10.37 | fiberchunks | 'the long arm of the IRON FIST!' |
| 06:15.38 | captain_proton | supermoves, muhar! |
| 06:21.49 | patlabor221 | bwahahahah, BZBB will now de-chikoritafy posts automaticly :) |
| 06:22.04 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 06:22.47 | patlabor221 | word censor :) |
| 06:22.53 | patlabor221 | does word replacements :) |
| 06:22.56 | captain_proton | haha |
| 06:23.04 | patlabor221 | b4 is now before |
| 06:23.09 | patlabor221 | dat goes to that |
| 06:23.19 | patlabor221 | she makes sense now |
| 06:23.22 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 06:23.40 | fiberchunks | I look forward to seeing it in action -- it'd be sweet if it did it while typing ;) |
| 06:24.09 | captain_proton | does it work on older posts of hers? |
| 06:24.34 | fiberchunks | don't think so -- don't think it's retroactive |
| 06:24.43 | patlabor221 | it is |
| 06:25.01 | captain_proton | hahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
| 06:25.01 | captain_proton | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=723 |
| 06:25.19 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 06:25.24 | patlabor221 | funny |
| 06:25.36 | fiberchunks | oh my -- tragedy -- reminiscent of dervish |
| 06:26.21 | patlabor221 | what is funny is he is doing exactly what he is saying is bad, taking a game to seriously |
| 06:26.26 | captain_proton | patlabor221: a couple more for ya: |
| 06:26.31 | captain_proton | tween->between |
| 06:26.32 | captain_proton | wee->we |
| 06:26.43 | captain_proton | ur->your |
| 06:26.45 | captain_proton | err |
| 06:26.52 | learner | Mmmmm.. that really sucks |
| 06:26.54 | captain_proton | i guess ur doesn't work |
| 06:27.01 | captain_proton | because it can translate to either your or you're |
| 06:27.02 | patlabor221 | I did ur |
| 06:27.05 | captain_proton | wut->what |
| 06:27.10 | captain_proton | mee->me |
| 06:27.24 | captain_proton | learner: he won't stay away :P |
| 06:27.25 | patlabor221 | no it looks for whole words unless I do *ur |
| 06:27.40 | captain_proton | learner: he's just being melodramatic |
| 06:28.08 | learner | I was referring to the filter.. |
| 06:28.17 | learner | (j/k (kinda..)) :) |
| 06:28.20 | captain_proton | patlabor221: its almost as funny as when he said to me "its just a game! the more personal you make it, the more i hate you" |
| 06:28.28 | scanline | hehe |
| 06:28.30 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 06:28.44 | patlabor221 | he can't take any bad things |
| 06:28.49 | captain_proton | everyone on the server started laughing at him |
| 06:28.56 | patlabor221 | sadly he prefers his world perfect |
| 06:29.00 | learner | that's a shame |
| 06:29.18 | learner | for both "sides" |
| 06:29.41 | fiberchunks | there -- locked that pos thread -- check it out -- see if my response is 'appropriate' |
| 06:29.52 | learner | I'd hope he doesn't leave over something like this |
| 06:29.55 | patlabor221 | did you call anyone a bitch or a panzy? |
| 06:30.17 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: looks good to me |
| 06:30.39 | captain_proton | did anyone actually start "calling names" ? |
| 06:31.07 | fiberchunks | yeah, spiff complained of whiners, and m0nkey responded with 'quit yer whining' |
| 06:31.12 | learner | which thread, fiber? |
| 06:31.25 | fiberchunks | under general discussion -- the 'excessive hunting' garbage |
| 06:31.33 | learner | ah |
| 06:32.30 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: i don't think monkey was saying "you're a whiner spiff", he was saying quit yer whining :) |
| 06:32.37 | fiberchunks | it's irritating, and trivial -- my new motto - stick to tetris |
| 06:33.04 | learner | tetris rocks |
| 06:33.04 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> no, there's a history between those two, I know this from discussions with both of em about it |
| 06:33.20 | captain_proton | bleh |
| 06:33.25 | captain_proton | i respect monkey infinitely more than spiff |
| 06:33.29 | learner | seems reasonable fiber (without having read all the previous blabber in the thread) |
| 06:33.30 | fiberchunks | and the next response from spiff was : 'me whining: sssuuuuuuuuurrrrrrreeee.' etc etc |
| 06:34.06 | fiberchunks | learner> heh, you don't need to - I think it's a case where it'll just denegrate -- if captain_proton or patlabor221 disagree, they are more than welcome to overrule me, of course ;) |
| 06:34.12 | captain_proton | and i have to say i've never seen monkey whine about anything |
| 06:34.13 | learner | I assume everyone also read Barrel's post in league |
| 06:34.19 | fiberchunks | same here captain_proton |
| 06:34.36 | fiberchunks | no, lemme catch up on the posts |
| 06:34.45 | learner | It's a thread to keep an eye on -- could get nasty |
| 06:36.30 | learner | I doubt my feeble attempt to diffuse with humor will help much.. :) |
| 06:37.12 | captain_proton | i think that needs to be locked -now- |
| 06:37.20 | fiberchunks | jeezus |
| 06:37.25 | fiberchunks | christ |
| 06:37.36 | learner | I talked to barrel for a while |
| 06:37.38 | fiberchunks | it does -- I'll do it |
| 06:37.43 | learner | he was pretty miffed |
| 06:38.02 | learner | and apparently so was spiff (hence his message) |
| 06:39.11 | captain_proton | how can people get so worked up on the internet? |
| 06:39.44 | patlabor221 | cus they take things to seriously |
| 06:39.54 | captain_proton | i mean DAMN |
| 06:40.37 | fiberchunks | done |
| 06:40.48 | captain_proton | "arguing on the internet is like the special olympics. even if you win you're still retarded" (very politically incorrect, but true) |
| 06:41.22 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:42.37 | fiberchunks | hehe |
| 06:42.50 | rioter | blah @ political correctness |
| 06:43.28 | scanline | learner: hmm.. your code ensures whoever executes it is always playing a game |
| 06:43.47 | scanline | though since that implies they're always having fun, I guess that's a good thing |
| 06:43.58 | scanline | s/ensures/insures/ |
| 06:44.38 | captain_proton | rioter: well, i by no means want to trivialize the mentally disabled, as they're often some of the nicest people i've met |
| 06:44.48 | rioter | captain_proton this is correct |
| 06:45.06 | fiberchunks | and, if you meet the right ones -- a hell of a lot smarter than most of us combined |
| 06:45.18 | rioter | like hawkings |
| 06:45.23 | fiberchunks | but PC is a bit ridiculous these days :\ |
| 06:45.28 | rioter | or the rainman :) |
| 06:45.37 | fiberchunks | no, hawking has a disease -- not retarded at all |
| 06:45.40 | captain_proton | hawkings? you mean stephen hawking? |
| 06:45.45 | captain_proton | because he's not mentally disabled |
| 06:45.50 | captain_proton | physically disabled |
| 06:45.55 | fiberchunks | scanline> my point :0 |
| 06:45.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 06:46.05 | rioter | there was a guy who used to live near me |
| 06:46.13 | rioter | and you could drop a bunch of matchs |
| 06:46.25 | rioter | and he could tell you how many there were by the time they hit the ground |
| 06:46.36 | learner | scanline, you got my point then |
| 06:46.55 | learner | it wasn't a "bug" -- it was intentional |
| 06:47.11 | scanline | oh :) |
| 06:47.12 | rioter | its like civil liabilty thats out of control these days well at least in australia |
| 06:48.03 | iLLf8d | night all |
| 06:48.42 | fiberchunks | patlabor221, paging patlabor221! add ums to the filter, por favor ;) |
| 06:48.52 | patlabor221 | what to change it to? |
| 06:49.12 | fiberchunks | dunno, you decide based on context: maybee i was in a crazee-happy-evil mood ums again ... |
| 06:49.21 | fiberchunks | I think a space is appropriate ;) |
| 06:49.27 | patlabor221 | or nothing |
| 06:49.36 | fiberchunks | right |
| 06:49.51 | patlabor221 | nope has to be a word or letter |
| 06:49.51 | scanline | but but.. what if it's supposed to be an acronym for the Unified Metadata System? |
| 06:49.52 | fiberchunks | mood-ums har :) |
| 06:49.59 | fiberchunks | lol :) |
| 06:50.39 | patlabor221 | then put in u.m.s. |
| 06:50.42 | patlabor221 | and it will be fine |
| 06:53.25 | fiberchunks | Mine is "Hunt to be hunted"... ask Dervish. LoL << spiff in a different post -- dervishes response you ask? >> hehehe, yup. |
| 06:53.25 | fiberchunks | *starting a new thread in general discussion about this* |
| 06:53.33 | fiberchunks | urgh |
| 06:53.42 | patlabor221 | ohh don't taunt them |
| 06:53.50 | fiberchunks | not going to |
| 06:54.18 | patlabor221 | I'm moving spifs post to players, seems to fit there better, since it's not a "global" thing |
| 06:55.04 | fiberchunks | fair enough |
| 06:56.26 | fiberchunks | hrm, xchat2 seems to be enjoying some high process time |
| 06:56.51 | fiberchunks | urp, nope, was galeon |
| 06:59.27 | fiberchunks | what's the xchat scriptage that shows what song is playing? |
| 07:08.01 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: don't you dare |
| 07:08.33 | rioter | thats one thing ive yet to figure out |
| 07:08.34 | fiberchunks | lol! I knew that'd get a rise out of you captain_proton ;) |
| 07:08.43 | rioter | why do people care what songs someone else is listening to |
| 07:09.50 | fiberchunks | rioter> I only use it when I'm shooting the shite with someone, and we get talking bout the tuneage -- then I can just /xmms it, and it pops up, instead of me typing it all out |
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| 07:19.06 | rioter | i cant do that |
| 07:19.09 | rioter | i have to get someone to do it for me |
| 07:20.55 | captain_proton | i couldn't about a week ago |
| 07:21.03 | captain_proton | but need has triumphed |
| 07:21.29 | patlabor221 | cap you need one of these when you take over |
| 07:21.30 | patlabor221 | http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/viewitem.html?II=245&UID=2003061303184264.167.76.49&OldLoc=/cart/listcategory.html&RID=1&NL=&CA=1 |
| 07:21.33 | rioter | heh doing better than i could |
| 07:21.52 | captain_proton | eh |
| 07:21.59 | captain_proton | i like ToyKeeper's tatertot cannon |
| 07:22.12 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 07:22.24 | patlabor221 | somone made one that fired cans of mt. dew |
| 07:22.34 | fiberchunks | heh, catch 'em if you can ;) |
| 07:22.48 | patlabor221 | it's considerd lethal |
| 07:22.57 | patlabor221 | punches holes in car doors |
| 07:22.59 | fiberchunks | no shit :) |
| 07:23.01 | captain_proton | aww fiberchunks |
| 07:23.07 | captain_proton | you shoulda let spiff go |
| 07:23.10 | captain_proton | and then come back in a week |
| 07:23.36 | fiberchunks | hey, I like the kid, when he's not being a dweeb -- he's a good admin (most of the time), and he's got some skillz |
| 07:23.43 | captain_proton | just like *ahem* dervish |
| 07:23.51 | fiberchunks | mmm, hmm, same thang |
| 07:24.25 | fiberchunks | I try being a nice guy to everyone -- course, that don't work with total wankers :\ |
| 07:24.38 | captain_proton | bzflag just isn't what it used to be |
| 07:25.45 | fiberchunks | oma herta is franks significant other ? is that right? |
| 07:25.50 | captain_proton | sorta :) |
| 07:26.00 | captain_proton | they always say "roommate" |
| 07:26.04 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:26.30 | fiberchunks | was there some sort of deceasedness going on there -- I never quite figgured that out |
| 07:26.48 | captain_proton | oma stopped doing bzflag to get a phd in particle physics |
| 07:27.06 | fiberchunks | ah, that's what the 'memorial' or whatever it was I saw was about |
| 07:27.25 | fiberchunks | oma is obviously NOT lacking in the brains department ;) |
| 07:27.41 | captain_proton | neither he nor frank is |
| 07:27.48 | fiberchunks | true enough |
| 07:28.18 | patlabor221 | tho frank needs to listen to others more about p2501 :) |
| 07:28.22 | fiberchunks | too bad frank can't spend a wee more time on the bz dev - what with the great bunch o devs now |
| 07:28.34 | patlabor221 | ok time to sleep on the floor |
| 07:28.43 | fiberchunks | have fun |
| 07:28.47 | captain_proton | maybe he'll realize that p2501 is butt-ugly and come back to bz :) |
| 07:28.56 | patlabor221 | ohh yeah, fun with cats |
| 07:29.03 | fiberchunks | and hair |
| 07:29.03 | patlabor221 | see ya |
| 07:29.06 | fiberchunks | later on |
| 07:29.10 | captain_proton | 'night pat |
| 07:29.18 | fiberchunks | damn, he's rapid ;) |
| 07:30.50 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> you got anything you'd like to see on the boards? features or what not? I'm feeling the itch to add something to it :\ |
| 07:31.07 | captain_proton | umm |
| 07:31.11 | captain_proton | not really |
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| 07:31.28 | fiberchunks | mebbe a file attachment type thang? |
| 07:31.36 | fiberchunks | for bz releases? |
| 07:31.39 | captain_proton | perhaps a "signup sheet" for a big decks game =} |
| 07:31.45 | captain_proton | no |
| 07:31.49 | captain_proton | bz releases should go through sf |
| 07:31.50 | fiberchunks | heheh, is anyone still hosting decks? |
| 07:31.54 | captain_proton | ...or do you mean private builds? |
| 07:31.59 | captain_proton | bzgirl is hosting decks right now |
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| 07:32.13 | fiberchunks | oh, private, cvs stuff like patlabor did recently, etc |
| 07:32.16 | captain_proton | moin mmu_man |
| 07:32.41 | captain_proton | hey cool |
| 07:32.49 | captain_proton | the scratch directory cleanup script i wrote actually works |
| 07:32.54 | fiberchunks | mebbe maps? dunno -- just feeling the need to put sumthin on there -- it's been a while since I diddled with it |
| 07:33.03 | fiberchunks | nice for you ;) |
| 07:33.32 | captain_proton | i just got a nice email saying i had some files that hadn't been touched for 90 days and they'd be deleted in two weeks |
| 07:33.35 | fiberchunks | a while ago I was thinking of 'portalizing' it, but decided against it for laziness reasons |
| 07:33.53 | fiberchunks | ooooo, you were courteous to yourself? :) |
| 07:34.18 | captain_proton | quite |
| 07:34.47 | fiberchunks | question is: do you respond to others with 'THE FIST HAS SPOKEN -- BOW TO THE FIST!'? |
| 07:35.02 | captain_proton | not usually |
| 07:35.18 | fiberchunks | I would love to see Herr Rikers reaction to a mail of that nature ;) |
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| 07:35.47 | captain_proton | last time i suggested the fist to him it lit a fire under his rear |
| 07:36.03 | fiberchunks | heh -- seems it's a good motivational tool |
| 07:36.31 | captain_proton | not that i blame him, this has been his baby for the last 5 years or so |
| 07:36.57 | fiberchunks | right ... did crs hand it directly to him? or was there another before that |
| 07:37.06 | captain_proton | crs handed directly to him |
| 07:37.10 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:37.13 | captain_proton | he started submitting too many patches for crs to keep up :) |
| 07:37.17 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:37.36 | captain_proton | and at the time it didn't really have the "open source" development model |
| 07:37.48 | captain_proton | ie. private cvs server, no real license, etc |
| 07:37.51 | fiberchunks | oh really? was it just an SGI baby ? |
| 07:38.58 | mmu_man | got hands on my patch ? |
| 07:39.09 | captain_proton | i've been looking at it |
| 07:39.15 | mmu_man | not as clean as it could be |
| 07:39.19 | captain_proton | not sure it'll get into g2 just because g2 is about to be cut |
| 07:39.33 | mmu_man | there are still debug printfs, but as it crashes... |
| 07:40.30 | mmu_man | I don't mind not being in this release, as long as it's in cvs and I can work further after a cvs co :) |
| 07:41.08 | captain_proton | hopefully we can accomodate :) |
| 07:41.31 | mmu_man | brb, shower |
| 07:41.57 | captain_proton | yieldCurrent still bothers me, but i suppose its unavoidable |
| 07:42.01 | fiberchunks | which patchage is this? |
| 07:42.17 | captain_proton | probably should be #ifdef __BEOS__ to avoid adding overhead |
| 07:42.19 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: BeOS port |
| 07:42.24 | fiberchunks | ah, neat |
| 07:43.59 | fiberchunks | well, as the ladies man says - my tequila is all done -- and therefore our time is up ;) |
| 07:44.08 | fiberchunks | later on captain_proton, have a good night / mornin |
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| 08:17.36 | mmu_man | ... |
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| 08:18.25 | mmu_man | captain_proton actually the old GL stack doesn't need it in BeOS I think... |
| 08:18.39 | mmu_man | and I don't know if it's needed for hw gl either... |
| 08:18.46 | mmu_man | but I need it here anyway |
| 08:19.27 | mmu_man | when I get it working I'll try to lower the number of calls to yield to a minimum |
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| 09:10.12 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.45 | mmu_man | plop |
| 09:11.30 | Chestal | tag |
| 09:32.05 | mmu_man | if you have P2P uploads going they might eat up all the BW, leaving not enough room for TCP ACK packets |
| 09:32.16 | mmu_man | you'll have to play with QoS |
| 09:35.11 | ak|ra | and even qos will not ensure stable and lagfree bzflagging |
| 09:35.33 | Chestal | QoS can improve things, I boostet the port(s) that are usually usedfor bzflag UDP at home |
| 09:35.54 | Chestal | but of course it's not the same as having no other traffic |
| 09:37.28 | Chestal | dmp: do you now use the CTF teams for the ladder? |
| 09:37.43 | Chestal | the league teams, that is |
| 09:40.40 | ak|ra | Chestal: the main problem for qos and a lot of users are simple: qos is just a queue and if there is high traffic from lets say mld on one machine u have to create also high traffic that qos will work ... but for multiplayer games there is no that much traffic |
| 09:42.47 | Chestal | wow, again some uproar in the community |
| 09:50.32 | [dmp] | ak|ra: i run a webserver + the ladderscripts |
| 09:51.21 | [dmp] | Chestal: i have a script, that updates teams according to the league-website. havnt added it to crontab yet. |
| 09:53.31 | ak|ra | cu alter |
| 09:54.12 | Chestal | dmp: only problem is that some people add the teamname to their callsign liek [TLZ] or similar |
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| 09:58.35 | bomber | hi |
| 10:00.36 | Chestal | hi bomber |
| 10:00.55 | mmu_man | plop |
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| 10:05.31 | [dmp] | Chestal: yeah, i'm aware of it. Actually Im not sure if I gonna keep it running, not sure how many is using it anyway. Anyway, i wanted to avoid having a new site, where people had to have another login/password to use. |
| 10:05.51 | david_v | hi dmp :} |
| 10:05.53 | [dmp] | perfect solution would be to integrate with another popular site. |
| 10:05.56 | [dmp] | hi david_v :) |
| 10:06.01 | david_v | note my smilie ;) |
| 10:06.11 | [dmp] | hehe, bastard :) |
| 10:06.14 | david_v | ;) |
| 10:06.36 | [dmp] | Bracket-man is gonna join your team.. And eat teamplates :) |
| 10:06.38 | david_v | the positive thing (for you) is i won't be here that long |
| 10:06.42 | david_v | lol |
| 10:06.51 | [dmp] | neither do i, lunch-time :) |
| 10:07.00 | david_v | urg, don't remind me :) |
| 10:07.15 | david_v | woke up too early this morning to go and buy a thing in a store, plus do another thing |
| 10:07.43 | david_v | and, logically, i went to bed too late last night :) |
| 10:07.53 | david_v | so i think i'm in a bigger need of food :) |
| 10:07.59 | [dmp] | hehe :) |
| 10:08.10 | [dmp] | well, i leaving for 30-45 mins. |
| 10:08.10 | [dmp] | cu |
| 10:08.40 | david_v | cya |
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| 11:18.07 | dolphin | isn't bzflag using UDP connection by default |
| 11:25.28 | dolphin | no one knows? |
| 11:26.24 | sussudio | why dont you look? |
| 11:27.30 | dolphin | from where |
| 11:27.34 | dolphin | I've firewall |
| 11:27.45 | dolphin | so I have to know it before starting services =) |
| 11:28.33 | sussudio | um. look in the friggin options menu when you start bzflag? |
| 11:28.56 | dolphin | I'm starting it from command line =( |
| 11:29.00 | dolphin | (startup) |
| 11:29.51 | dolphin | seems it's udp |
| 11:30.03 | dolphin | isn't there really linux version of the map editor???? |
| 11:30.51 | sussudio | ~+bzedit |
| 11:30.51 | | bzedit is, like, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 11:32.06 | mmu_man | bzflag -noudp ? |
| 11:32.12 | mmu_man | or is it onlyon server ? |
| 11:32.40 | dolphin | ibot: thx |
| 11:32.40 | | np |
| 11:32.47 | dolphin | I just got it via CVS =) |
| 11:32.53 | dolphin | I were so quick =) |
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| 11:56.42 | dolphin | anyone wants to help? |
| 11:56.55 | dolphin | trying to connect my bzflag server? |
| 11:57.15 | dolphin | s/try/by try/ |
| 11:58.19 | learner | bye |
| 12:02.27 | Chestal | dolphin: you need both TCP and UDP |
| 12:02.44 | dolphin | nope |
| 12:02.45 | Chestal | dolphin: actually, you need two TCP ports and one UDP port open |
| 12:02.52 | dolphin | when I set [X] No UDP |
| 12:03.02 | Chestal | hmm, ok, but you should be using udp |
| 12:03.08 | dolphin | why? |
| 12:03.12 | Chestal | because it's better |
| 12:03.30 | dolphin | it's unsafe |
| 12:03.35 | dolphin | it's too easy to crack |
| 12:03.36 | Chestal | unsafe? |
| 12:03.46 | dolphin | UDP doesn't care about loss |
| 12:03.57 | Chestal | yes, that's the point for using it for some mesasge types here |
| 12:04.15 | Chestal | because a retransmission of a message containing a tank's position is useless |
| 12:04.19 | Chestal | even more then that |
| 12:04.36 | Chestal | trust me, you really want to allow UDP for bzfs |
| 12:05.06 | dolphin | I only want to keep one port open |
| 12:05.21 | Chestal | you need two tcp ports anyway with the current protocol |
| 12:05.26 | Chestal | the -p and the -pr port |
| 12:06.11 | Chestal | and the -p port for UDP as well |
| 12:06.29 | dolphin | do you mean |
| 12:06.36 | dolphin | that UDP needs only one port? |
| 12:06.51 | Chestal | yes, the same port as the main TCP port |
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| 13:51.03 | rooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.11 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 13:52.04 | dolphin | ?? |
| 13:52.08 | [dmp] | hi root. |
| 13:52.13 | rooter | hello [dmp] |
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| 14:03.15 | rooter | hello bzgirl! |
| 14:03.19 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 14:03.24 | bzgirl | hi root |
| 14:04.23 | bomber | ~ducati6 |
| 14:04.34 | rooter | hey bomber |
| 14:05.13 | bomber | hey rooter |
| 14:05.31 | bomber | i am heading to home...have a nice weekend |
| 14:05.37 | Chestal | hi bomber, root, [dmp], bzgirl |
| 14:05.41 | rooter | bye |
| 14:05.49 | bzgirl | hello chestal |
| 14:05.49 | bomber | bye to all |
| 14:05.59 | Chestal | bye b |
| 14:06.11 | rooter | hey ches |
| 14:09.24 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 14:29.36 | bzgirl | dmp: http://www.bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0018.jpg? :) |
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| 14:35.49 | [dmp] | bzgirl: wow.. fame.. i just wish i sad something semi-smart :) |
| 14:37.48 | sussudio | rokroh |
| 14:39.48 | Chestal | I guess I did that screenshot, sorry :-) |
| 14:39.55 | bryjen | errr. bzgirl: notice the red players swearing in the chat box on that? |
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| 14:40.20 | Chestal | i thought I had erased all chat mesages from them though, hmm |
| 14:40.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:42.03 | rioter | lol no its still there :) |
| 14:49.31 | bzgirl | bryjen: [dmp] must have made him swaer |
| 14:49.36 | bzgirl | :) |
| 14:51.15 | bryjen | looks like [dmp] had just killed red. At first glance I figured red was whining about the GM guy. |
| 14:53.34 | [dmp] | "I could kill him" .. Smart guy :-) |
| 14:53.52 | [dmp] | just rarely play on those servers. must be along time ago. |
| 14:56.20 | captain_proton | TimRiker / Chestal: shippable state? |
| 14:56.40 | captain_proton | gah, why does everybody have the same brilliant anti-cheating ideas |
| 14:56.56 | rioter | great minds think alike? |
| 14:57.07 | captain_proton | =/ |
| 14:57.24 | rioter | or s/great/insane |
| 14:57.59 | captain_proton | oh its not insane |
| 14:58.05 | captain_proton | its just they haven't thought it through |
| 14:58.14 | captain_proton | it sounds great at first |
| 14:58.18 | larsl | "It would be cool if there was an opengl based client" |
| 14:58.19 | captain_proton | but it doesn't work at all |
| 14:58.29 | captain_proton | and in this case, it presents serious security issues |
| 14:58.32 | Chestal | proton: I think I'm more or less satisfied with it |
| 14:58.42 | captain_proton | larsl: your thoughts? shippable? |
| 14:58.44 | Chestal | proton: the new admin commands are not yet documented, are they? |
| 14:58.56 | captain_proton | Chestal: good point |
| 14:58.59 | larsl | captain_proton: What I've seen on Linux looks OK. |
| 14:59.33 | larsl | What anti-cheating ideas are you talking about? |
| 14:59.36 | Chestal | hmm, looks liek connect() isn't interruptible by signals either, that sucks |
| 14:59.44 | Chestal | I hate it when bzflag locks up when connecting a server |
| 14:59.54 | captain_proton | yay for blocking I/O! |
| 14:59.54 | Chestal | the code tries to set a timeout with alarm,but it's not workign for me on linux |
| 15:00.00 | sussudio | Chestal: patches welcome :-P |
| 15:00.14 | Chestal | we could try to use the evil setjmp patch from gethostbyname here, too :-| |
| 15:00.33 | Chestal | without making it threaded, I see no other choice |
| 15:00.40 | rioter | lol .net uses blocking i/o by default its a pain in the arse |
| 15:00.42 | sussudio | it locks up under windoze too |
| 15:02.26 | captain_proton | Chestal: sure thats necessary for g2? :P |
| 15:03.18 | mmu_man | multithreading roxorz |
| 15:03.36 | mmu_man | in BeOS bzflag has something like 10 threads |
| 15:03.39 | larsl | Has anyone seen any buildings inside bases on random CTF maps with recent CVS? |
| 15:03.49 | mmu_man | without explicitely launching any |
| 15:04.08 | mmu_man | soft gl threads audio threads, window threads ... |
| 15:04.19 | Chestal | proton: I'd liek to fix it _if_ it is easy to fix |
| 15:05.12 | mmu_man | lol |
| 15:05.43 | captain_proton | larsl: i actually think patlabor221 fixed it |
| 15:05.47 | mmu_man | I'd like to work if I only get payed :) |
| 15:06.23 | bryjen | s/like to work/line not to work/ |
| 15:06.36 | larsl | captain_proton: Actually, I think I fixed it - unless it broke again. |
| 15:06.44 | larsl | Which is what I was wondering. |
| 15:12.07 | Chestal | didn't see any problems |
| 15:12.14 | Chestal | but I didn't see them before. Did it only occur with 4 bases? |
| 15:13.22 | bzgirl | larsl: i only had that problem using purple vs blue ctf |
| 15:14.20 | larsl | bzgirl: Yes, it would still only check the red and green bases. |
| 15:14.26 | bzgirl | larsl: i recall it being fixed though, I should test it again to make sure i guess |
| 15:14.35 | larsl | It assumed that 2 team CTF = red vs green. |
| 15:14.58 | captain_proton | naughty Chestal |
| 15:16.10 | Chestal | naughty? me? |
| 15:16.33 | captain_proton | well, you're the one who did 2-team CTF |
| 15:16.38 | bryjen | hmmm farther down "-cr random ctf maps" "Wed Apr 17 10:27:53 2002 UTC (13 months, 3 weeks ago) by timriker " |
| 15:16.45 | Chestal | yep, but I am not the one who extended it to 4 bases :-) |
| 15:16.49 | Chestal | so, blame him |
| 15:17.20 | bzgirl | its fine now i think |
| 15:17.23 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 15:17.24 | Chestal | so, call me lazy,but not naughty |
| 15:17.48 | bzgirl | i tried about 20 recconects with no building errors |
| 15:17.55 | larsl | bzgirl: Great. =) |
| 15:18.51 | Chestal | proton: thoughts about the idea to make user file sharign easier by beign able to run servers in "slave" (= read only) mode? |
| 15:19.34 | larsl | Could we get the master server to tell the slaves when the files have been updated too? |
| 15:21.15 | captain_proton | Chestal: whats this? i haven't heard of any master/slave stuff |
| 15:21.26 | bryjen | couldnt the slaves just check the mod time of the files? |
| 15:21.52 | Chestal | proton: was discussing it with Pat |
| 15:22.00 | larsl | bryjen: But then they would have to do that in a loop. |
| 15:22.00 | bryjen | captain_proton: he wants to share 1 set of files between multiple instances of bzfs |
| 15:22.04 | Chestal | proton: the idea is that changes to the files should only be possible from one server |
| 15:22.08 | larsl | Which isn't neccesarliy bad, of course. |
| 15:22.13 | Chestal | proton: the others would only read it on start and /reload |
| 15:22.24 | Chestal | righ trnow, it's hard to keep those files in sync |
| 15:22.33 | captain_proton | ohh |
| 15:22.35 | captain_proton | for the admin stuff |
| 15:23.19 | captain_proton | would be nice i suppose |
| 15:23.22 | captain_proton | need some sort of FAM |
| 15:23.36 | bryjen | the server already is mostly a loop, right? |
| 15:23.59 | Chestal | FAM? |
| 15:24.10 | Chestal | bryjen: yes, but a biiiiig loop :-) |
| 15:24.23 | captain_proton | fam is a daemon on irix - the file alteration monitor :) |
| 15:24.32 | larsl | There is one one Linux too. |
| 15:24.33 | larsl | I think. |
| 15:24.41 | bryjen | as long as its not a fr00t l00p ;) |
| 15:26.39 | TimRiker | bryjen: what's wrong? |
| 15:27.28 | bryjen | TimRiker: just discussing sharing admin/user databases between instances of bzfs |
| 15:27.58 | bryjen | TimRiker: a loop for checking for file updates |
| 15:28.49 | larsl | Or the master server could send a message to its slaves whenever the files change. |
| 15:30.30 | Chestal | it would even be ok, if a manual reload is needee |
| 15:30.39 | Chestal | the main concern now is that I have to use sperate files |
| 15:30.46 | Chestal | and synch them manually |
| 15:30.52 | Chestal | (merge changes) |
| 15:33.26 | [dmp] | Better head for home. Can concentrate as my groupmembers rather would watch a movie, instead of finished this stupid project first :( *grr* |
| 15:35.05 | rooter | instead of being in the main loop it could be in a separate thread |
| 15:35.19 | rooter | or the main server could broadcast out that there are changes |
| 15:37.44 | Chestal | that's all too difficult for g2 |
| 15:37.59 | Chestal | we can do a better solution later, I'm only thinking of a minor change which could make life for admins easier |
| 15:38.56 | bryjen | even with just reading the files, wouldn't you need to be sure they were consistent first? manual reload simplifies that too |
| 15:45.32 | bryjen | What about a switch that turns the file write-out function into no-ops? return right away. |
| 15:46.09 | captain_proton | seems like a slave-type mode would be better |
| 15:46.27 | captain_proton | where it both disables commands that modify the database -and- monitors the files for changes |
| 15:46.30 | Chestal | the users must know that they cannot register on that server |
| 15:46.33 | mmu_man | how can I browse v1_7 from the webcvs on sf ?? |
| 15:46.40 | bryjen | well, he asked for something simple.... |
| 15:46.57 | Chestal | mmu: theres a dropdown list at the bottom where you can select the tag |
| 15:47.31 | Chestal | bryjen: not _that_ simple :-) The other thing would also be rather simple, just needs some checks for those commands |
| 15:47.40 | bryjen | the switch could also change the response of the /register /setpass and /setgroup commands |
| 15:48.00 | Chestal | it would be almost prefect if it would tell the user to go to the other server, but it might be sufficient if it just said somethign generic |
| 15:48.26 | Chestal | bryjen: yes, that's exactly what I ws thinking of (and what proton was referring to I think) |
| 15:48.31 | captain_proton | we could have it suggest the user look at /help to find out which server its slaved to ;) |
| 15:48.48 | mmu_man | Chestal ah, in bzflag/bzflag/ right :) |
| 15:48.50 | mmu_man | thx |
| 15:49.35 | bryjen | Ahhh. bzfs -master ducati:5156 then /register returns "/register doesn't work here, goto ducati:5156 instead" |
| 15:50.14 | captain_proton | thats a possibility |
| 15:51.03 | bryjen | the -master switch turns off the write-out, and alters the commands. the parameter is just to fill in the help message |
| 15:51.27 | mmu_man | http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/bzflag/bzflag/src/platform/?only_with_tag=v1_7 hmm what's this mess with Attic/ ?? seems webcvs is broken =) |
| 15:52.00 | larsl | mmu_man: It's because 1.7 isn't the main branch. |
| 15:52.07 | bryjen | prot-work: how does /help work ? |
| 15:52.22 | mmu_man | yes, but it has those files in platform, doesn't it ? |
| 15:52.25 | mmu_man | weird |
| 15:52.29 | captain_proton | it works like the -filemsg patch |
| 15:52.36 | bryjen | prot-whereever-you-are |
| 15:52.39 | captain_proton | its all in the man page/help :P |
| 15:53.38 | bryjen | hrm -filemsg is _not_ in the man page :( |
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| 15:58.38 | captain_proton | bryjen: no, but -helpmsg is |
| 15:58.53 | bzgirl | the -conf option for bzfs, is there a special format, can i do one option per line? |
| 15:59.03 | sussudio | snort. |
| 15:59.12 | mmu_man | don't forget the beos patch :p |
| 15:59.47 | bryjen | captain_proton: hmmmm, not mine. |
| 16:00.00 | larsl | bryjen: I can't find it either. |
| 16:00.01 | captain_proton | looking at the latest man page? :P |
| 16:00.10 | bryjen | Ah. bzfs -help explains it a bit |
| 16:00.49 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 16:00.56 | captain_proton | i was sure i added it to the man pages |
| 16:01.03 | captain_proton | oh well, figure it out later |
| 16:01.05 | captain_proton | work time |
| 16:03.53 | sussudio | C:\bzflag\src\net\multicast.cxx(427) : error C2065: 'socklen_t' : undeclared identifier |
| 16:03.53 | sussudio | C:\bzflag\src\net\multicast.cxx(427) : error C2059: syntax error : ')' |
| 16:03.55 | sussudio | :-P |
| 16:04.08 | TimRiker | every auth reference could check the file dates before doing it and reload if needed. |
| 16:04.27 | TimRiker | sussudio: platform? compiler? |
| 16:04.30 | bryjen | bzgirl: no special format, one per line or just space separated like you'd type em on the command line |
| 16:04.40 | sussudio | win32 msvc6 |
| 16:04.47 | bzgirl | ok |
| 16:04.47 | sussudio | i'm running cvs update again. |
| 16:04.58 | mmu_man | sussudio edit common.h and s/socketlen_t/socklen_t/ |
| 16:05.08 | mmu_man | hmm w8 |
| 16:05.13 | mmu_man | yes that's it |
| 16:05.28 | mmu_man | thought someone fixed that already ? |
| 16:05.36 | mmu_man | I removed it from my patch |
| 16:05.40 | sussudio | *shrug*... |
| 16:05.51 | TimRiker | sussudio: check the win32 config.h and see if the socklen_t check is there, and fix it if it's broken. |
| 16:06.07 | sussudio | does anyone here have a 19" monitor or bigger? is it too friggin big for normal home use? |
| 16:06.15 | TimRiker | mmu_man: that's been renamed already as far as I know. |
| 16:06.19 | larsl | I have a 19". |
| 16:06.24 | mmu_man | TimRiker you tell me |
| 16:06.29 | TimRiker | sussudio: I've got a 20" and I love it. |
| 16:06.37 | TimRiker | I'd take a 24" if I could get one. |
| 16:06.42 | bryjen | TimRiker: "...check the file dates...and reload if needed." file coherency issues? |
| 16:06.45 | larsl | It's no too big, if you have some space on the desk (it's a CRT). |
| 16:06.47 | sussudio | i'm thinking of getting either a 20" sun (18" viewable) or 17" ibm (16" viewable) |
| 16:06.54 | TimRiker | well, for a reasonable price. ;-) |
| 16:07.32 | sussudio | the 15" trinitron i have now is getting too dim, i have to turn bzflag gamma all the way up |
| 16:07.34 | TimRiker | bryjen: just save/reload in one go and we should be ok. I'm not planning to add retries in the case of failure though. |
| 16:08.01 | TimRiker | sussudio: be careful. not all sun monitors will work on PCs |
| 16:08.08 | larsl | If we want to be pedantic we could lock the files when updating several files at once. |
| 16:08.22 | larsl | If we ever do that. |
| 16:08.26 | TimRiker | larsl: yes, that would be easy and a Good Thing. |
| 16:08.38 | sussudio | TimRiker: it has a normal vga connector |
| 16:08.45 | TimRiker | open them all in one function and save all of them at once. |
| 16:08.50 | sussudio | gdme20e or something |
| 16:08.55 | bryjen | Eh? Instance 1 is the "master" and starts writing to the files, Instance 2 sees the mod time change and starts reading..... |
| 16:09.11 | TimRiker | sussudio: then it's more likely to work, google for the model number. ;-) |
| 16:10.04 | bryjen | Errrr. Ok, so maybe if #2 is only looking just before it needs to..... it wouldn't mess up as often |
| 16:11.42 | bryjen | Or am I was off? When does mod time chage, at the write or close ? |
| 16:11.50 | bryjen | s/was/way |
| 16:12.15 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 16:12.15 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 16:14.06 | doughecka | hey Patlabor221 |
| 16:14.15 | sussudio | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co |
| 16:14.22 | sussudio | what's the proper module name again? |
| 16:14.28 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:14.29 | doughecka | you wouldnt happen to know how to setup X on redhat? :) |
| 16:14.47 | bryjen | sussudio: bzflag |
| 16:15.07 | Patlabor221 | doug what do you mean? like run the configurator? or start it? |
| 16:15.15 | sussudio | 1.8 is gone? |
| 16:15.16 | doughecka | configurator |
| 16:15.18 | TimRiker | cvs -z6 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 |
| 16:15.28 | Patlabor221 | run xConfigurator I think |
| 16:15.29 | doughecka | I cant seem to start it, like its missing |
| 16:15.49 | Patlabor221 | locate it |
| 16:15.52 | doughecka | nope... hmm |
| 16:16.09 | Patlabor221 | there is a cap in there somwwhere don't recall if it was X or C |
| 16:16.15 | Patlabor221 | and did you install X? |
| 16:16.30 | bryjen | xf86config |
| 16:16.45 | Patlabor221 | it's not that on redhat, they have there own |
| 16:16.46 | doughecka | yea, it was running fine, but I added a video card, and now I cant set it up |
| 16:17.02 | Patlabor221 | doug, edit your config file |
| 16:17.07 | doughecka | ugh |
| 16:17.23 | Patlabor221 | what card did you put in? |
| 16:17.27 | Patlabor221 | an nvidia? |
| 16:17.31 | doughecka | matrox G450 |
| 16:17.39 | doughecka | dual head :P |
| 16:17.40 | bryjen | should this info not be on their website? |
| 16:17.40 | Patlabor221 | what was in there? |
| 16:17.55 | doughecka | an onboard thing |
| 16:18.03 | doughecka | and I cant disable it either |
| 16:18.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah find out how to get and install the matrox drivers |
| 16:18.18 | doughecka | bryjen: you might think so... |
| 16:18.23 | Patlabor221 | or get a mobo that sucks less |
| 16:18.32 | Patlabor221 | or that |
| 16:18.33 | doughecka | this mobo actully talks |
| 16:18.37 | bzgirl | doughecka: do whereis Xconfigurator |
| 16:18.44 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 16:18.45 | doughecka | I am in #redhat, very helpfull.... not |
| 16:19.05 | doughecka | no matches |
| 16:19.07 | bryjen | that card should work with stock XF86 drivers |
| 16:19.25 | Patlabor221 | let me find it on asgard one sec |
| 16:19.28 | bzgirl | doughecka: RH9? |
| 16:19.31 | doughecka | 8 |
| 16:20.00 | Patlabor221 | that's what asgard is runnin |
| 16:20.10 | doughecka | huh |
| 16:21.27 | doughecka | find | grep Xconfig* shows nothing |
| 16:21.32 | bzgirl | redhat-config-xfree86 |
| 16:21.43 | bzgirl | try that |
| 16:21.46 | bryjen | grep -i "xconfig" |
| 16:22.17 | doughecka | bzgirl: hey, its doin somthin :) |
| 16:22.19 | Patlabor221 | ahhh they musta changed it for 8, so it matches all there other apps |
| 16:22.28 | bzgirl | doughecka: read the docs :) |
| 16:22.30 | Patlabor221 | it was xCOnfigurator in 7.2 ( last time I used it ) |
| 16:22.30 | doughecka | oh bah, couldnt start xserver |
| 16:22.33 | bzgirl | doughecka: http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/ref-guide/ch-x.html |
| 16:22.54 | doughecka | hrm, I hate it when they change stuff |
| 16:23.08 | bryjen | whats that funny M word ? |
| 16:23.11 | *** join/#bzflag david_v (~david_v@c213-200-135-241.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:23.26 | doughecka | mmm, google? |
| 16:23.51 | Patlabor221 | or just a search on the redhat site, they have a lot of online docs |
| 16:24.19 | bzgirl | doughecka: www.google.com/linux is good too |
| 16:24.25 | sussudio | i think i got 1.8 :-| |
| 16:24.34 | doughecka | sussudio: see a zlib folder? |
| 16:25.10 | sussudio | INK : fatal error LNK1181: cannot open input file "vorbis_static.lib" |
| 16:25.26 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah thats 1.8 |
| 16:25.30 | doughecka | lol, they should really fix that |
| 16:25.37 | Patlabor221 | they will in 1.9 |
| 16:25.43 | sussudio | ~eat doug |
| 16:25.45 | | ACTION eats doug and falls over dead |
| 16:25.55 | Patlabor221 | you do a -r v1_7 after the co before the bzflag |
| 16:26.08 | sussudio | yeah that didnt work |
| 16:26.29 | Patlabor221 | I do that on linux and it works |
| 16:26.35 | sussudio | this is windoze |
| 16:26.49 | Patlabor221 | still shold work anywhere |
| 16:27.00 | bryjen | didnt work how? what kind of error message? |
| 16:27.27 | Patlabor221 | use TortoiseCVS :) |
| 16:27.40 | doughecka | yay, the onboard still works |
| 16:28.05 | sussudio | C:\>cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag |
| 16:28.05 | sussudio | r v1_7 |
| 16:28.05 | sussudio | cvs server: cannot find module `-r' - ignored |
| 16:28.05 | sussudio | cvs server: cannot find module `v1_7' - ignored |
| 16:28.05 | sussudio | cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules |
| 16:28.30 | larsl | -r v1_7 is before bzflag. |
| 16:28.35 | Patlabor221 | where yeah |
| 16:28.54 | Patlabor221 | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 16:30.08 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka_Work (~root@64-44-153-2.user.uswo.net) |
| 16:30.18 | Patlabor221 | quick hack him |
| 16:30.31 | doughecka_Work | good luck, theres a firewall inbetween |
| 16:30.32 | sussudio | bah. where's the challenge in hacking roothat. |
| 16:31.25 | TimRiker | please use cvs.bzflag.org |
| 16:31.54 | sussudio | muh? |
| 16:31.55 | doughecka_Work | ulch, that cappucinomilk was tainted, you feel faint |
| 16:31.56 | larsl | cvs.bzflag.org? |
| 16:32.18 | sussudio | what's the difference |
| 16:32.50 | larsl | doughecka_Work: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/4376/discussion/ |
| 16:33.24 | doughecka_Work | your welcome to try, if you break it, I am gonna put XP on it |
| 16:33.30 | larsl | Hehe. =) |
| 16:33.50 | larsl | Unfortunately I don't run Freenode. =) |
| 16:34.01 | doughecka_Work | hrm |
| 16:36.13 | bryjen | And then what? ~Administrator@64-44-153-2.user.uswo.net |
| 16:36.23 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.org |
| 16:36.23 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 16:36.29 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 16:36.29 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 16:36.56 | prot-work | cvs.bzflag.org is getting inconsistent |
| 16:37.10 | prot-work | because they're trying to phase out cvs.project in favor of cvs.sf.net |
| 16:38.09 | TimRiker | cvs.bzflag.org is mine and will always point to the cvs server. |
| 16:38.21 | TimRiker | what's out is cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net |
| 16:38.29 | prot-work | ah right |
| 16:38.47 | prot-work | i guess the inconsistencies has just been normal SF bustedness |
| 16:38.48 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net |
| 16:38.49 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 16:38.56 | *** kick/#BZFlag [Noodlebot!~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 16:38.56 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 16:38.57 | Noodlebot | timriker: :-P |
| 16:39.10 | prot-work | ~sud |
| 16:39.10 | | shut up doug |
| 16:39.55 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-173.hispeed.ch) |
| 16:48.09 | TimRiker | ~spell optimizing |
| 16:48.10 | | 'optimizing' may be spelled correctly |
| 16:48.10 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 16:48.50 | doughecka_Work | someone has tampered with Noodlebot :) |
| 16:49.09 | TimRiker | ~message for Noodleman please kill the annoying Noodlebot msg |
| 16:49.09 | Noodlebot | you think i'm just a stupid bot. go ask ibot instead. |
| 16:49.39 | *** part/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 16:49.41 | doughecka_Work | yay |
| 16:49.43 | doughecka_Work | I fixed it |
| 16:49.44 | doughecka_Work | :) |
| 16:50.17 | sussudio | ~fix doug |
| 16:55.11 | prot-work | it seems to me that its a big mistake to have two bots in the same channel that both react to ~ |
| 16:55.24 | prot-work | what is noodlebot's purpose anyway? |
| 16:55.42 | sussudio | annoyance? |
| 16:55.53 | sussudio | oh wait.. that's what doug is for. |
| 16:56.04 | JBDiGriz | Is doug a bot? |
| 16:56.18 | sussudio | no, doug is a pig |
| 16:56.22 | doughecka_Work | no, just a really small shell script |
| 16:59.29 | *** join/#bzflag rioter_ (j@1Cust98.tnt3.wollongong.au.da.uu.net) |
| 17:04.39 | prot-work | can i please ban him? |
| 17:05.31 | doughecka | whatever for? |
| 17:05.47 | prot-work | for excessive off-topicness |
| 17:06.21 | prot-work | and why in the world were you connected from that machine if you already had an accessible connection open? |
| 17:06.41 | Patlabor221 | cus he likes talking about his installs |
| 17:06.45 | doughecka | easyer to copy links from #xfree86 |
| 17:06.58 | Patlabor221 | so why come here with that acct? |
| 17:07.18 | doughecka | it auto connected :| |
| 17:09.42 | prot-work | can i please ban him? |
| 17:10.04 | sussudio | yes |
| 17:11.18 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 17:12.10 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*WOZNIAK@*.lou.bluegrass.net] by prot-work |
| 17:12.10 | *** kick/#bzflag [doughecka!~jupiter@161.97.199.99] by prot-work (poot) |
| 17:12.21 | sussudio | wee |
| 17:12.51 | sussudio | he'll just change his ident though |
| 17:13.09 | prot-work | true |
| 17:13.25 | *** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*WOZNIAK@*.lou.bluegrass.net] by prot-work |
| 17:13.37 | *** mode/#bzflag [+b *!*@*.lou.bluegrass.net] by prot-work |
| 17:24.38 | *** join/#bzflag sn0w_m0nkey (~guestuser@bgp01383177bgs.montbl01.nm.comcast.net) |
| 17:25.08 | prot-work | hiya monkey |
| 17:25.13 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD95339AE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:25.35 | bzgirl | hi ak|ra ;) |
| 17:25.41 | bzgirl | hi mb |
| 17:26.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi |
| 17:27.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | don't shoot me because i am the best player in the world |
| 17:27.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | thats my new alias... |
| 17:27.39 | bzgirl | no your not |
| 17:27.42 | bzgirl | i am |
| 17:27.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | hehe |
| 17:27.53 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:28.02 | Patlabor221 | I am, I have -1 :) |
| 17:28.10 | ak|ra | hi sn0w_m0nkey |
| 17:28.14 | ak|ra | hi bzgirl |
| 17:28.16 | sn0w_m0nkey | moin akira |
| 17:28.35 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 17:29.06 | prot-work | ooh this is an intuitive hotkey |
| 17:29.09 | bzgirl | ak|ra: moment? |
| 17:29.10 | prot-work | ctrl+alt+shift+f6 |
| 17:29.31 | prot-work | almost as good as ctrl+alt+f6+backspace+4 |
| 17:29.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | oof |
| 17:30.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | cu you later #bzflag |
| 17:32.26 | ak|ra | prot-work: :))) |
| 17:41.23 | *** join/#bzflag tuxipuxi (~tuxipuxi@p50871923.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:41.25 | tuxipuxi | hi |
| 17:41.43 | tuxipuxi | how many bandwith and which cpu do i need for a 4 slot bzflag server? |
| 17:42.02 | prot-work | cpu is minimal |
| 17:42.18 | tuxipuxi | is adsl enough? |
| 17:42.23 | prot-work | for 4 people, yes |
| 17:42.40 | prot-work | if you have the shots set low you could get more |
| 17:43.11 | sussudio | tuxipuxi: what's the upload speed of your connection? |
| 17:44.26 | tuxipuxi | 16kb maximum |
| 17:44.32 | sussudio | that'll do |
| 17:44.50 | sussudio | 3 or 4 shot max |
| 17:45.14 | tuxipuxi | ok |
| 17:45.16 | tuxipuxi | thanks |
| 17:57.04 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-9-16.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 17:59.11 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-9-16.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 17:59.51 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone_ (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-9-16.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 18:00.09 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-9-16.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 18:01.11 | *** join/#bzflag Tupone (~Tupone@ppp-62-11-9-16.dialup.tiscali.it) |
| 18:01.12 | prot-work | eek |
| 18:01.44 | Tupone | prot-work: ready to support me? |
| 18:02.52 | prot-work | what do you need? |
| 18:02.54 | prot-work | i'm a little busy |
| 18:03.20 | Tupone | OK! I'll put some changes on the install-data. I think I fix all. Then |
| 18:03.55 | prot-work | just remember to use $datadir/bzflag instead of $pkgdatadir |
| 18:03.56 | Tupone | I see that the locale files are not read via the INSTALL_DATA_DIR specificied directory |
| 18:04.15 | prot-work | they should be... |
| 18:04.58 | Tupone | I see that if you delete the directory on the .bzflag and you are not on where you build bzflag, locale does not work. |
| 18:06.08 | Tupone | He is reading the flag passed by command-line or in the .bzflag file. If not it read from data. Only for the l10n directory |
| 18:06.15 | prot-work | what key in .bzflag are you talking about? |
| 18:06.30 | Tupone | the directory keywork |
| 18:08.32 | Tupone | The reading of image and sound is made in BzfMedia and its OK! The handling of locale is in BundleMgr. They are not doing the same thing |
| 18:08.54 | *** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-202-1-4-96.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:09.47 | *** join/#bzflag dk5hr (~reiner@p508BA25B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:09.53 | dk5hr | hi |
| 18:09.55 | tuxipuxi | hey deki |
| 18:10.10 | dk5hr | which ports should be open for the bzflag server? |
| 18:10.18 | Patlabor221 | 5155 and 5166 |
| 18:10.18 | sussudio | :-P |
| 18:10.20 | prot-work | 5155/5156 tcp + 5155 udp |
| 18:10.23 | dk5hr | thx |
| 18:10.30 | Tupone | prot-work: I can fix if you are too busy. But what has to be the order ... .bzflag keyword, data and INSTALL_DATA_DIR or ... what? |
| 18:10.58 | prot-work | Tupone: current working directory should have precedence, then config file, then INSTALL_DATA_DIR |
| 18:11.24 | Tupone | prot-work: even if you specify with -directory |
| 18:11.37 | prot-work | Tupone: -directory should have top precedence |
| 18:11.52 | *** part/#bzflag rioter_ (j@1Cust98.tnt3.wollongong.au.da.uu.net) |
| 18:12.00 | prot-work | Tupone: i think if you fix this, it should be post-g2 - we've been testing the current codebase for a few days, don't really want to add anything this close to release |
| 18:12.47 | Tupone | prot-work: so I'll do later. The Makefile.am install , they are fixable now? |
| 18:13.29 | prot-work | depends what you define as "fixed" ;) |
| 18:14.34 | Tupone | I just change some lines of code, like the one I sent to you, replacing pkgdatadir ... They let the install work on separate directory |
| 18:14.57 | prot-work | make sure it still has the custom install hooks that install into $datadir/bzflag |
| 18:15.36 | Tupone | prot-work: but changing the custom hook to see if file are local or on the srcdir! |
| 18:16.00 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 18:16.10 | ak|ra | wb bzgirl |
| 18:16.24 | bzgirl | rehi |
| 18:16.31 | david_v | hey |
| 18:17.00 | Tupone | prot-work: I'll do that after rechecking make distcheck with automake-1.4 and autoconf2-13 |
| 18:19.02 | Chestal | does the current code build everywhere? |
| 18:19.40 | larsl | Builds here. |
| 18:19.53 | Tupone | It build and run on RedHat 9.0 |
| 18:20.00 | larsl | (MDK 9.0) |
| 18:20.07 | larsl | 9.1 I mean. =P |
| 18:20.07 | prot-work | builds on all the platforms i have access to (various linuxes, solaris2.8, irix) |
| 18:20.11 | sussudio | something builds on rh? |
| 18:20.26 | Tupone | ~rh |
| 18:20.27 | | i heard rh is large company in its own right, and they must be making money somehow |
| 18:23.34 | prot-work | should update man pages for -helpmsg & new admin commands |
| 18:25.56 | Patlabor221 | I gave a copy of the doc to Nidhoger he mentioned he may look it over and make it into real english |
| 18:26.05 | Patlabor221 | so it can be put into the man pages |
| 18:26.28 | prot-work | hehe |
| 18:26.58 | Patlabor221 | cus it's presently in jinglish |
| 18:29.13 | david_v | maybe i can help? i can write jinglish. only problem is i can't read it |
| 18:29.31 | Patlabor221 | ahhh see it nees to be read |
| 18:30.54 | david_v | nobody mentioned anything similar when i took the course. they fooled me :( |
| 18:31.04 | david_v | i want my money back! |
| 18:31.17 | Patlabor221 | how much did you pay? |
| 18:31.40 | Patlabor221 | now I could run it thru the de-Chikorita |
| 18:31.40 | david_v | 5000 Jinglos |
| 18:31.44 | Patlabor221 | that may help |
| 18:32.10 | david_v | sorry, Pat, that is a new term to me :) |
| 18:32.17 | Chestal | we don't need no rean English |
| 18:32.18 | david_v | i understand it though hehe |
| 18:32.23 | Chestal | we need manglish |
| 18:34.17 | prot-work | you're not from the planet gibber, are you? because our automatic translators have trouble with gibberish |
| 18:34.40 | david_v | depends on who you're asking, i'm from a lot of planets though |
| 18:34.56 | david_v | let me see if gibber is in the list......... nope, closest is gibcer |
| 18:35.06 | david_v | maybe a spelling error |
| 18:35.59 | Chestal | ~spell gibcer |
| 18:36.01 | | possible spellings for gibcer: gibbers giber gibes gibber giber's gibe gibbet gibed goobers |
| 18:36.03 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: short, trite man page addition for -helpmsg |
| 18:36.14 | Patlabor221 | well then just paste what is there into the man pages |
| 18:36.24 | Patlabor221 | all it realy needs is /reload added to it |
| 18:36.55 | bryjen | manglish? does that mean there's a womanglish? |
| 18:37.15 | Patlabor221 | bet womanglish smells nicer then manglish |
| 18:37.43 | bryjen | if you know manglish, womanglish is impossible to understand. |
| 18:38.28 | Patlabor221 | some things just don't translate |
| 18:39.49 | david_v | manglish and womanglish are not compatible, you need to use language in between called slapish. consists of just one word, so most should be able to handle it |
| 18:40.21 | david_v | let me replace "word" with "expression" to be accurate |
| 18:40.27 | sussudio | hm i sneezed on the monitor and it looked like a GM to me. i should play less bzflag. |
| 18:40.45 | prot-work | thats quite a sneeze |
| 18:40.56 | sussudio | it went PSSSSH too |
| 18:40.59 | bryjen | smoke and fire? |
| 18:41.03 | sussudio | yes |
| 18:41.05 | larsl | No, you should play more bzflag. |
| 18:41.35 | david_v | larsl: that's the spirit :) |
| 18:42.24 | Patlabor221 | you don't get to see much womanlish do you david? |
| 18:43.24 | bryjen | the ones in alt.binaries dont count. |
| 18:43.45 | prot-work | not at work, no |
| 18:43.48 | prot-work | its lonely here |
| 18:44.07 | prot-work | in fact i don't get to see too much of anybody |
| 18:44.35 | bryjen | Wrong david |
| 18:44.41 | prot-work | oh :) |
| 18:45.05 | bryjen | That's right, back in you're hole codemonkey! ;) |
| 18:45.08 | david_v | Patlabor221: i speak to myself sometimes and pretend to be a woman. that cheers me up a bit |
| 18:45.32 | david_v | bryjen: what? |
| 18:46.01 | bryjen | david_v: wrong person. Pat was talking to you and cap answered. |
| 18:47.17 | david_v | ah ah |
| 18:48.06 | bzgirl | ~bzg2 |
| 18:48.28 | david_v | prot-work: nice you told me, i forgot where my alter-ego went :) |
| 18:48.45 | *** part/#bzflag dk5hr (~reiner@p508BA25B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:48.49 | bryjen | lonely down there too |
| 18:48.56 | david_v | welcome to the club though :) |
| 18:49.54 | david_v | hm, now that nobody responded to my above comments, i'm worried someone would take them seriously :) |
| 18:50.05 | david_v | hint: never take me seriously. especially not now :) |
| 18:51.55 | fiberchunks | allo, people! ;) |
| 18:52.17 | david_v | hey |
| 18:52.17 | Patlabor221 | whoot the pen for my drawing tablet came, in, I wonder if I can play BZ with it :) |
| 18:52.28 | david_v | hm :) |
| 18:57.19 | bryjen | if your using the tablet/pen as a mouse, where are the buttons? |
| 18:57.40 | david_v | he turns the pen for right mouse button? hehe |
| 18:57.45 | david_v | or whatever function |
| 18:57.49 | Patlabor221 | the pen has 2 buttons |
| 18:58.02 | david_v | some have the "ink" on one end and "rubber" on the other |
| 18:58.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah not this one |
| 18:58.23 | Patlabor221 | the tip is a button |
| 18:58.34 | Patlabor221 | and it has a side button that has 2 poistions |
| 18:58.38 | Patlabor221 | so it would work |
| 18:59.07 | bryjen | ~spell dexterity |
| 18:59.08 | | 'dexterity' may be spelled correctly |
| 19:00.49 | rooter | Patlabor221: what brand? |
| 19:00.59 | rooter | i have a wacom like that |
| 19:01.51 | Patlabor221 | this one is way cheap |
| 19:01.55 | Patlabor221 | aipitek |
| 19:01.59 | rooter | ah |
| 19:02.12 | rooter | mines expensive... i should use it more |
| 19:02.56 | fiberchunks | oi, /me suffers from minor DTs after last night's adventure -- hard to type ;) |
| 19:03.18 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 19:04.52 | rooter | i'm not very good drawing with it yet |
| 19:06.52 | bryjen | We had a couple of these http://www.pbsolutions.com/summagraphics_ss3.htm at work with the four-button mouse-like thingy |
| 19:07.49 | bryjen | heh. Looks like the manufacturer went out of business or changed names.... no search hits |
| 19:08.19 | sussudio | craptek? |
| 19:09.19 | sussudio | i saw a craptek binoculars/digicam combi thing... they've gone as far as advertising it as '300.000 pixels' instead of 0.3mpixels, which, in short means CRAP |
| 19:10.18 | larsl | Has anyone seen team flags that are dropped and suddenly show up in a completely different place |
| 19:10.22 | larsl | ? |
| 19:10.40 | sussudio | yes, because you drop them on buildigs |
| 19:11.17 | larsl | It didn't go to the safety base, it went to some other random place. |
| 19:11.41 | bryjen | wasn't there some work done to keep flags from landing in "bad" places? |
| 19:11.58 | larsl | Yes, but shouldn't it go to the safety base in that case? |
| 19:12.34 | sussudio | it goes to the middle |
| 19:12.44 | bryjen | I dont know. Not familiar with what the rules and results were on that |
| 19:13.00 | prot-work | saftey is kind of confusing now |
| 19:13.17 | prot-work | the original implementation worked, because bases were always in the same place |
| 19:13.22 | larsl | sussudio: Yes, that is the safety base. |
| 19:13.57 | bryjen | ah, so if you used a custom CTF world.... |
| 19:14.26 | larsl | This was on xmission. |
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| 19:15.09 | larsl | I suppose it could be a network bug - some drop or grab package got lost somewhere. |
| 19:15.30 | prot-work | drop / grab should be reliable, no? |
| 19:15.38 | larsl | I don't know how it's implemented. |
| 19:15.51 | Chestal | it is |
| 19:16.00 | Chestal | client sends grab messages whenever it is close to a flag |
| 19:16.11 | Chestal | when server confirms this, client does the grab |
| 19:16.29 | sussudio | xmission has a lot of fake flags you cant pick up |
| 19:17.09 | larsl | All servers with flags have that. |
| 19:17.14 | Chestal | hmm |
| 19:17.23 | Chestal | never seen that on ducati, tha tis not for 2 ears |
| 19:17.27 | Chestal | years, even |
| 19:17.28 | larsl | For some reason the server thinks that they are carried by some non-existant player. |
| 19:17.37 | Chestal | but 5155 has not that many flags and isn't used very much |
| 19:17.45 | larsl | Might only be on jump servers, then. |
| 19:19.29 | Nidhoggr | w00 getting lasik next tuesday... got financing approved. |
| 19:19.36 | prot-work | i'll grope YOUR internet packets! |
| 19:19.39 | prot-work | Nidhoggr: good luck |
| 19:19.46 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 19:19.54 | Nidhoggr | thanks |
| 19:19.56 | Nidhoggr | I'm excited. |
| 19:19.58 | fiberchunks | Nidhoggr> good luck with it -- have a couple friends who loved it |
| 19:20.00 | bryjen | prot-work: wt? |
| 19:20.19 | Nidhoggr | this is the new laser that is tons more accurate. |
| 19:20.38 | Nidhoggr | old laser correct 250 time/second. this one corrects 4000 times a second. |
| 19:20.45 | CobraA1 | ??? |
| 19:21.11 | Nidhoggr | the machine tracks the center of your eye and autocorrects for any movement during the procedure. |
| 19:21.26 | Nidhoggr | old ones were very innacurate. |
| 19:21.27 | fiberchunks | yes, but does it make your eye 4000 times better ;) j/k |
| 19:21.50 | Nidhoggr | no, but it leaves the guesswork out of the surgery.. before the surgeon guided the laser with a joystick. |
| 19:22.00 | Nidhoggr | new ones are programmed in and autopilot basically. |
| 19:22.13 | fiberchunks | cool |
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| 19:24.18 | larsl | We're still on SF's "Most active" list. =) |
| 19:29.01 | TimRiker | sf is down. |
| 19:29.21 | TimRiker | http://sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:29.50 | larsl | Works for me. |
| 19:30.04 | bryjen | Here as well |
| 19:30.32 | prot-work | here too |
| 19:35.15 | Chestal | here four |
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| 19:41.25 | CIA | commit by atupone: Finally ... fixed make distcheck from separate dir |
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| 20:38.15 | Tupone | ~CIA |
| 20:38.16 | | methinks cia is a CVS/Subversion commit notification bot run on #commits among other channels, originally by scanline. http://navi.picogui.org/svn/picogui/trunk/tools/irc/cia.html |
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| 21:04.51 | prot-work | anybody know the link to pat's admin writeup? |
| 21:05.07 | bzgirl | yah..hold on |
| 21:09.00 | Nidhoggr | I still need to convert secretplace over to use admin fuctions. |
| 21:09.17 | Nidhoggr | I may wait until we can do some sort of central server thing. |
| 21:09.49 | Nidhoggr | but I am more interested in my own reg server, than using a pooled one for all of bzflag world. |
| 21:10.22 | bzgirl | prot-work: http://bzgirl.bakadigital.com/BZAdminCommands.txt |
| 21:10.36 | bzgirl | its missing the /reload command |
| 21:10.42 | prot-work | ok |
| 21:10.54 | Nidhoggr | so far it's working okay on dragon.org |
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| 21:24.56 | bzgirl | hello learner |
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| 21:27.50 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 21:29.23 | [dmp] | "learner" reminds of rookie, which eventuelally was told to change nick :) |
| 21:29.53 | bzgirl | who is rookie? |
| 21:29.59 | bzgirl | who is he now? |
| 21:30.15 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: new song in the bfoj |
| 21:30.37 | [dmp] | dont know. He was very active late last year. Havnt seen him in a long time. So perhaps he did change nick. |
| 21:30.37 | JBDiGriz | A rookie is a beginner, we should always be learner's. |
| 21:30.41 | prot-work | Patlabor221: what perms are granted to DEFAULT? |
| 21:30.49 | prot-work | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:31.09 | learner | [dmp], lol -- thx jb |
| 21:31.17 | foodl | And /report ? |
| 21:32.25 | JBDiGriz | learner: Are you back home? |
| 21:32.49 | learner | yes I am, jb. got home just a few minutes ago |
| 21:33.38 | JBDiGriz | And the first thing you do is log into #bzflag, I hope you grabbed a Corona on the way to the computer! |
| 21:33.47 | learner | ROTFL |
| 21:33.56 | learner | I almost did! |
| 21:42.36 | bryjen | doesn't look like /report requires any permissions |
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| 21:45.50 | bzgirl | bryjen: i think this rotating server is having problems reading the same DB files, people arnt being rcognized. i might need a set of DB's for all five maps :( |
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| 21:50.34 | bryjen | bzgirl: Wha? only one copy of bzfs running at a time, right? |
| 21:50.52 | bzgirl | yes in the script yes |
| 21:51.11 | bzgirl | but since rotating maps people have probs loginng in |
| 21:51.18 | bryjen | other server running too? using the same db files? |
| 21:51.34 | bzgirl | no the other 2 servers have their own set of files |
| 21:51.42 | bryjen | Otay... |
| 21:51.50 | bzgirl | i have to sync 3 sets i guess |
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| 21:52.39 | bryjen | Yup. was some discussion on that earlier today. Chestal's still pondering on a simple way to share files |
| 21:52.51 | learner | Ah, is it good to be home .. missed my computers.. [pet's monitor] |
| 21:52.54 | bzgirl | yeah |
| 21:53.18 | Noodleman | TimRiker: :-) |
| 21:53.19 | TimRiker | how's things? we ready to release? |
| 21:53.23 | Nidhoggr | a reg server would be really good. |
| 21:53.31 | TimRiker | ~nslookup rikers.org |
| 21:53.44 | Nidhoggr | ~bzflist |
| 21:56.22 | bryjen | prot-work: manage to close any bug reports? |
| 22:03.35 | learner | fiber, nice pic -- hehe |
| 22:04.01 | fiberchunks | heh, thx |
| 22:08.02 | learner | is there an alias/shortcut to get ibot to tell me if anyone is on rose? |
| 22:09.16 | bzgirl | learner: dont think so |
| 22:09.29 | Patlabor221 | just make one, it should be easy |
| 22:09.47 | learner | syntax? |
| 22:10.11 | bzgirl | do a ~literal of an exiting and copy it |
| 22:10.21 | learner | ok, thx |
| 22:11.39 | learner | ~rose is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.rosemeyers.net:5155 |
| 22:11.40 | | learner: okay |
| 22:11.44 | learner | ~rose |
| 22:11.52 | learner | thx |
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| 22:24.28 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: add admin-justice stuff to man page |
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| 22:28.11 | bzgirl | yaay |
| 22:28.32 | Tupone | ~yaay |
| 22:30.45 | Chestal | prot: maybe let this weekend pass to test some more, I plan to actually play with the client |
| 22:31.40 | prot-work | harumph |
| 22:31.44 | prot-work | i give you a day ;) |
| 22:33.14 | david_v | you seem generous to each other :) |
| 22:33.28 | Chestal | and I'm still thinking of that -slave change :-) |
| 22:34.02 | Chestal | there was another issue, but I forgot about that |
| 22:35.30 | Chestal | well, good night |
| 22:35.37 | bzgirl | cu |
| 22:35.41 | prot-work | 'night Chestal |
| 22:35.43 | learner | night ches |
| 22:36.34 | JBDiGriz | learner: Did you find that resource issue last night? |
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| 22:37.01 | learner | jb: nope |
| 22:37.20 | learner | jb: it held up my patch dangit |
| 22:37.36 | learner_irssi | quit |
| 22:37.39 | JBDiGriz | learner: Hmm, is it stopping you from starting the app, or just printing an error message? |
| 22:38.06 | learner | no, everything works just fine |
| 22:38.48 | JBDiGriz | I should start bz from the command line, and look for the messages. It might be loading them in the wrong directory. |
| 22:39.32 | learner | I think there is something else escaping me -- I can't get it to find the icon file either from the Resources dir |
| 22:39.39 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: What are the .tbolt.rgb files used for? I added them to the mac project, but there's evidently an issue. |
| 22:40.18 | JBDiGriz | Is it using the default application icon in the finder? |
| 22:40.33 | learner | jb: they load, and then an attempt to load them again is made, and an error is displayed for each |
| 22:40.47 | learner | jb, yes |
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| 22:50.12 | larsl | ibot, forget towers |
| 22:50.15 | | i forgot towers, larsl |
| 22:50.51 | larsl | ibot, towers is <reply> The server at glasstowers.homelinux.net will be back in August. |
| 22:50.52 | | okay, larsl |
| 22:50.57 | larsl | ~towers |
| 22:50.58 | | The server at glasstowers.homelinux.net will be back in August. |
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| 23:08.30 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: they're used for superbullet |
| 23:09.13 | JBDiGriz | prot-work: Thx! |
| 23:17.43 | learner_irssi | ~ducati6 |
| 23:48.54 | TimRiker | ~nslookup cvs.bzflag.org |
| 23:50.22 | captain_proton | TimRiker: do you ever go home? |
