| 00:00.38 | doughecka | lol |
| 00:02.44 | CIA | commit by atupone: Unnecessary library are not built - configure option |
| 00:04.15 | CIA | commit by atupone: Little fix: $(GLIBS) => $GLIBS |
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| 00:41.04 | TimRiker | nslookup rikers.org |
| 00:41.09 | TimRiker | ~nslookup rikers.org |
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| 02:36.05 | TimRiker | is crs really in the nemo credits? |
| 02:36.19 | patlabor221 | someone said they saw his name there |
| 02:36.26 | TimRiker | wild. |
| 02:36.29 | patlabor221 | I haven't seen it yet |
| 02:36.47 | patlabor221 | the neice has not draged me to see it yet |
| 02:37.00 | TimRiker | heh |
| 02:37.00 | kunphuzil | BZFlag is not wanting to run full screen for me.. I'm using Linux |
| 02:37.20 | patlabor221 | what card? |
| 02:37.29 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: mv ~/.bzflag ~/.bzflag.save and try again. |
| 02:37.45 | kunphuzil | Trident Cyberblade |
| 02:37.47 | patlabor221 | what does that do? |
| 02:37.54 | patlabor221 | oooooooooo funcky chipset |
| 02:38.02 | fiberchunks | starts a new config file |
| 02:38.02 | kunphuzil | I must note, I was able to run this before with Debian |
| 02:38.08 | TimRiker | just removes your saved settings in case there is something screwed up there. |
| 02:38.40 | KR | lol |
| 02:38.43 | patlabor221 | then I'm guessing it's drivers |
| 02:38.58 | TimRiker | patlabor221: ya think? |
| 02:39.10 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: does nothing. |
| 02:39.15 | kunphuzil | i mean, same result |
| 02:39.26 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: they don't? |
| 02:39.46 | kunphuzil | well, i dunno much about Trident, just that i have one :P |
| 02:39.48 | patlabor221 | not new ones, the cyberblade failed hroibly |
| 02:39.54 | TimRiker | bummer. what does it say for GLX as the last msg? (use -echo to get it on stdout) |
| 02:40.00 | patlabor221 | problaby built into your mobo too |
| 02:40.07 | kunphuzil | So, what to do now? |
| 02:40.10 | fiberchunks | btw, this is what he sees on startup: Looking up host name: Host name lookup failure | Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". | loading fixedmr... |
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| 02:40.42 | TimRiker | sounds like a kernel dri driver might be missing. |
| 02:40.56 | fiberchunks | someone told him to remove it earlier today |
| 02:41.00 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: someone told me to disable it, because my card is not supported |
| 02:41.03 | patlabor221 | is captan_proton or any other qualified clasical music detection specialist here? |
| 02:41.16 | TimRiker | ~clasical |
| 02:41.17 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 02:41.21 | TimRiker | ~spell clasical |
| 02:41.23 | | possible spellings for clasical: classical classically clausal clerical clinical classics classic clavicle lexical |
| 02:41.32 | patlabor221 | yeah one of those take your pick :) |
| 02:41.43 | michaelh2 | you mean who knows classical music or ?? |
| 02:41.47 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: what happened when you had the kernel module loaded? |
| 02:42.03 | patlabor221 | I have a track here, no clue what it is, but I want to know. |
| 02:42.06 | patlabor221 | as I like it |
| 02:42.30 | michaelh2 | this is like some *huge* file ? |
| 02:42.48 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: Hmm, well I kind of changed two things at once.. First it would not even load at all because of a GLX error, then I put Load "GLX" in my XFConfig, then they told me to disable DRI in the kernel. Now it loads, but not full screen. |
| 02:42.50 | michaelh2 | <-- bandwith impaired |
| 02:43.21 | michaelh2 | I'd have to download nutella :) |
| 02:43.25 | patlabor221 | 3.36 megs |
| 02:43.31 | michaelh2 | arg |
| 02:43.49 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/music/artist%20-%20Track%2014.mp3 |
| 02:43.51 | kunphuzil | Any suggestions? |
| 02:43.57 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: I'd suggest your local LUG meeting with machine in hand. ;-) |
| 02:44.11 | patlabor221 | yeah get drivers that support your chipset |
| 02:44.15 | patlabor221 | or a GF2MX :) |
| 02:44.48 | kunphuzil | How do I get drivers.. eh? :/ |
| 02:45.26 | patlabor221 | well you had them under debian it seems |
| 02:47.03 | patlabor221 | the more I listen to it, it reminds me of starwars, I wonder if it's the endor theme |
| 02:48.23 | michaelh2 | That's what the first bit of it sounds like to me |
| 02:48.24 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 02:48.36 | michaelh2 | ewwwwwwwwwwokkkkkkkkkks |
| 02:48.56 | patlabor221 | I think it is |
| 02:49.17 | michaelh2 | die ewoks die! |
| 02:49.21 | michaelh2 | kill em! |
| 02:49.25 | michaelh2 | eat them! |
| 02:49.31 | patlabor221 | anger management issues? |
| 02:49.43 | kunphuzil | Someone also told me to disable /dev/agpgart (AGP Support) |
| 02:50.01 | michaelh2 | just a wee bit too cutesy |
| 02:50.04 | patlabor221 | is it an agp card? |
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| 02:50.13 | doughecka | greetings |
| 02:50.14 | kunphuzil | [*] VIA chipset support ? i have that enabled.. |
| 02:50.32 | michaelh2 | are we recompiling a kernel here? |
| 02:50.59 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: how do i know? |
| 02:51.01 | patlabor221 | that is your mobo chipset |
| 02:51.04 | patlabor221 | I dono, look at it |
| 02:51.17 | patlabor221 | is it a real card? or does the screen plug into the mobo |
| 02:51.39 | kunphuzil | i think it's a "fake" card plugs into mobo |
| 02:52.03 | patlabor221 | so the chipset is on the mobo, it's pobably AGP, I would think you would not want to disable that |
| 02:52.10 | kunphuzil | ok |
| 02:52.22 | patlabor221 | best thing may be to find out how debian was set and set gentoo the same way |
| 02:52.41 | kunphuzil | in the kernel or XFConfig? |
| 02:52.50 | patlabor221 | in X morelikey |
| 02:53.38 | kunphuzil | Hmm, if I make a backup of my current config, and just copy the debian one to the current would hurt anything |
| 02:53.47 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 02:53.52 | patlabor221 | not a linux person |
| 02:53.55 | fiberchunks | kunphuzil> depends on what kernel version, patches, etc |
| 02:54.18 | kunphuzil | Hmm |
| 02:54.20 | patlabor221 | they might know more in like #gentoo or somethin like that |
| 02:54.29 | kunphuzil | heh, |
| 02:54.33 | kunphuzil | i was in there, then they sent me here :P |
| 02:54.41 | kunphuzil | i'll try again |
| 02:55.00 | patlabor221 | or you could go get a nvidia GF2MX :) |
| 02:55.06 | michaelh2 | I'm sorry sir that application is *not* supported by us :) |
| 02:55.29 | michaelh2 | non-nvidia? |
| 02:55.32 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 02:55.41 | patlabor221 | he's got a trident |
| 02:55.45 | michaelh2 | woah |
| 02:55.49 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: how much is that? |
| 02:55.50 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:55.50 | kunphuzil | michaelh2: ? |
| 02:55.52 | michaelh2 | they still exist? |
| 02:55.56 | kunphuzil | is a trident bad? |
| 02:56.03 | michaelh2 | how would I know |
| 02:56.04 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 02:56.05 | patlabor221 | it's just not well supported |
| 02:56.06 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 02:56.11 | kunphuzil | oh |
| 02:56.14 | patlabor221 | GF2MXs are running like 35$ |
| 02:56.18 | michaelh2 | are they still in existence? |
| 02:56.27 | patlabor221 | yeah they slap them on a lot of mobos |
| 02:56.31 | patlabor221 | from ECS and MSI |
| 02:56.39 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: oh.. cool |
| 02:56.41 | patlabor221 | some of our base systems have them |
| 02:56.42 | michaelh2 | oh the chipset thingee |
| 02:56.52 | kunphuzil | maybe i will buy one then |
| 02:56.59 | kunphuzil | but for now i want this to work :/ |
| 02:57.12 | patlabor221 | it's on the mobo with the vid chipset, usualy shares system ram, slower then heck |
| 02:57.38 | TimRiker | http://xfree86.org/current/Status34.html#34 |
| 02:57.42 | patlabor221 | I don't know if we sell 2MXs anymore |
| 02:58.03 | patlabor221 | see now TIm is 'theMan' when it comes to linux :) |
| 02:58.28 | patlabor221 | it's probably a cyberblade XP if it's a newer mobo |
| 02:58.40 | TimRiker | mE WONders iF PATLabor221 hAS A STuck shiFT Key |
| 02:58.50 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: thanks |
| 02:58.51 | patlabor221 | yes I do |
| 02:59.02 | patlabor221 | and a cat on me |
| 02:59.10 | TimRiker | or perhaps: yes I Do |
| 02:59.22 | michaelh2 | that's cool -- if some people upgrade they get *no* acceleration :) |
| 02:59.24 | patlabor221 | yES Id0 |
| 02:59.35 | TimRiker | ah, the kay on the keyboard. been there, done that. |
| 02:59.49 | patlabor221 | damn we have one for $25 |
| 02:59.55 | michaelh2 | cyberblade XP -- now there's a *lame* name if I've heard one |
| 02:59.57 | patlabor221 | ohh no that's a tnt2 |
| 03:00.00 | kunphuzil | CyberBlade/DSTN/i1 |
| 03:00.07 | kunphuzil | It says my card is supported |
| 03:00.17 | kunphuzil | lspci: VGA compatible controller: Trident Microsystems CyberBlade/i1 |
| 03:00.19 | TimRiker | what ver of X are you running? |
| 03:00.24 | kunphuzil | 4.3.0 |
| 03:00.30 | TimRiker | and kernel? |
| 03:00.41 | kunphuzil | 2.4.20 (gentoo patched_ |
| 03:00.48 | patlabor221 | there we go gf2 MX 200 32 meg $28.50 |
| 03:01.13 | patlabor221 | wow we do have some good prices |
| 03:01.23 | patlabor221 | there he is |
| 03:01.31 | michaelh2 | whose back? |
| 03:01.45 | patlabor221 | cap I need your musical detection mad SkIlLZ |
| 03:01.50 | michaelh2 | cap got back babey |
| 03:01.51 | kunphuzil | So.. it's supported.. now what? |
| 03:02.11 | patlabor221 | dri should use it then. |
| 03:02.28 | captain_proton | patlabor221: wuzzat |
| 03:02.36 | patlabor221 | what is this |
| 03:02.38 | michaelh2 | I'm pretty sure that is star wars pat-- not quite %100 classical |
| 03:03.14 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: I think you should have agpgart and a dri module loaded. but I've not used that card. |
| 03:03.17 | patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/music/artist - Track 14.mp3 |
| 03:03.17 | michaelh2 | at least not to a music snob |
| 03:03.28 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: should i just enable them in the kernel? |
| 03:03.30 | patlabor221 | yeah I think it's SWs too |
| 03:03.43 | patlabor221 | dri is in the x config isn't it? |
| 03:03.45 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: would i also have to put Load "DRI" in the XFConfig ? |
| 03:03.54 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: I'd do modules so you can test without recompiling all the time. |
| 03:04.04 | kunphuzil | [ ] Direct Rendering Manager (XFree86 DRI support) |
| 03:04.05 | kunphuzil | ok |
| 03:04.09 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: yes. and set permissions. |
| 03:04.11 | michaelh2 | perhaps you just have to make a sacrifice to the XFreeGod |
| 03:04.22 | michaelh2 | OpenGod |
| 03:04.22 | patlabor221 | chikens! |
| 03:04.29 | kunphuzil | TimRiker: ? |
| 03:04.31 | michaelh2 | OpenChickens |
| 03:04.41 | kunphuzil | hmm, won't let me load DRI as module. got to recompile anyway :/ |
| 03:05.00 | michaelh2 | sooon ... soooon you shall be reformatting |
| 03:05.02 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 03:05.19 | kunphuzil | i still have debian |
| 03:05.40 | michaelh2 | I forsee a reformat in your future ....... |
| 03:05.55 | patlabor221 | naw they don't have to format, they can boot to difrent kernels |
| 03:06.07 | patlabor221 | that part is rather neat |
| 03:06.17 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 03:06.35 | patlabor221 | wow we sell shutter glasses too |
| 03:06.37 | patlabor221 | like cheap |
| 03:06.42 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: we? |
| 03:06.42 | patlabor221 | 27$ |
| 03:06.49 | patlabor221 | one of the companys I work for |
| 03:06.54 | kunphuzil | heh |
| 03:06.57 | patlabor221 | never looked at the catoluge much |
| 03:06.59 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:07.01 | captain_proton | sounds so familiar |
| 03:07.05 | captain_proton | i can figure this out |
| 03:07.09 | patlabor221 | it's the endor theme isn't it? |
| 03:07.15 | michaelh2 | cat-o-luge ..... sounds like an event |
| 03:07.24 | TimRiker | http://www.blackfiveservices.co.uk/EPIAVidix.shtml looks interesting. |
| 03:07.25 | patlabor221 | I hate english |
| 03:07.31 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:07.35 | captain_proton | i think it might be |
| 03:07.55 | TimRiker | Section "DRI" |
| 03:07.55 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.55 | TimRiker | EndSection |
| 03:08.05 | TimRiker | kunphuzil: add that to XF86Config-4 |
| 03:08.17 | michaelh2 | the mark of the beast! |
| 03:08.19 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 03:08.21 | captain_proton | ...it must be |
| 03:08.31 | michaelh2 | or is it 0x666 ? |
| 03:08.33 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 03:08.36 | kunphuzil | ya, have that. but just DRI was not in the kernel so that will do me no good |
| 03:08.39 | patlabor221 | it's from an old CD an ex girlfriend made for me entitled "It's a CD damnit" |
| 03:08.51 | patlabor221 | she was very proud of it. |
| 03:08.53 | michaelh2 | "ex" huh? |
| 03:09.03 | patlabor221 | ex |
| 03:09.11 | patlabor221 | as in no longer |
| 03:09.23 | patlabor221 | or X if youwant |
| 03:09.27 | patlabor221 | meaning "mutant" |
| 03:09.31 | michaelh2 | lol |
| 03:09.43 | patlabor221 | her power was, Killer Jams tho |
| 03:09.48 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:11.48 | captain_proton | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=752146&group_id=3248&atid=303248 <-- thoughts? |
| 03:12.20 | patlabor221 | it makes it not jumpy |
| 03:12.48 | fiberchunks | kunphuzil> I did a quick search (terms: 'trident cyberblade') on gentoo forums -- there looked to be quite a few good responses about DRM and such |
| 03:12.52 | michaelh2 | where / when is it jumpy? is this new? |
| 03:12.58 | michaelh2 | come back! |
| 03:13.01 | kunphuzil | fiberchunks: why didn't i think of that.. :/ |
| 03:13.06 | kunphuzil | thanks |
| 03:13.12 | fiberchunks | mhmmmmm |
| 03:13.14 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 03:13.26 | michaelh2 | no you're not |
| 03:13.34 | fiberchunks | yes I am :) |
| 03:13.38 | michaelh2 | no you're not |
| 03:14.23 | patlabor221 | we don't know if he is or isn't untill we open the box, so he's both. |
| 03:14.48 | Nidhoggr | I'm sure we can smell him if he's dead, even if the box is closed. ;) |
| 03:14.50 | michaelh2 | so is that patch in regards to some new phenomenon or is it old? |
| 03:14.56 | patlabor221 | old |
| 03:15.00 | patlabor221 | I see it sometimes |
| 03:15.17 | patlabor221 | I it seems to be a "big ass polly texture artifact" |
| 03:15.23 | patlabor221 | I see it in my own stuff sometimes |
| 03:15.39 | michaelh2 | have to watch out for big ass polly..... :) |
| 03:15.45 | patlabor221 | yeah it's bad |
| 03:15.52 | michaelh2 | don't let her get away |
| 03:16.26 | patlabor221 | this is why you allways keep candy on you, for a distraction. |
| 03:16.29 | Nidhoggr | she's hard to loose. |
| 03:16.42 | patlabor221 | cus Candy knows kung fu. |
| 03:18.18 | patlabor221 | wow, quadro 2's are down to 53$, I remember when we were so happy to get 4 of those as testbeds, they were like $500 cards |
| 03:19.26 | kunphuzil | OMFG |
| 03:19.36 | kunphuzil | bzflag -geometry 800x600 |
| 03:19.40 | kunphuzil | bzflag is full screen now :P |
| 03:19.48 | patlabor221 | well not quite, |
| 03:19.56 | patlabor221 | it's in a window the size of your screen |
| 03:20.00 | patlabor221 | but close enough |
| 03:20.12 | captain_proton | the new ads for the quadro fx are amazing :P |
| 03:20.17 | patlabor221 | but I dont' think your FG had anything to do with it |
| 03:20.20 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: what do you mean? |
| 03:20.27 | kunphuzil | FG? |
| 03:20.40 | patlabor221 | you know what OMFG means :) |
| 03:21.00 | kunphuzil | oh, lol |
| 03:21.03 | patlabor221 | well if your screen was running like 1024x768, then it would be in an 800x600 window |
| 03:21.10 | kunphuzil | well, it is just an expression. |
| 03:21.12 | kunphuzil | oh.. |
| 03:21.13 | kunphuzil | hmm |
| 03:21.22 | patlabor221 | so is what I said :) |
| 03:21.30 | patlabor221 | what you did is fine, as long as it works |
| 03:21.38 | kunphuzil | well, i'm going to play for now, and if when i reboot it works, then i'm fine ;) |
| 03:21.47 | patlabor221 | oooooooooooo the FX5600 is only 190$ |
| 03:22.32 | kunphuzil | Only ? O_o |
| 03:22.43 | patlabor221 | you will have to put in the -window thing each time |
| 03:22.50 | patlabor221 | yeah that's not much, it's down from 250 |
| 03:23.38 | patlabor221 | cap, we got those funky shutter glasses for like $28 |
| 03:23.51 | captain_proton | hah, nifty |
| 03:23.53 | kunphuzil | bzflag is for right handed people :( |
| 03:23.56 | captain_proton | 'shame i don't have any |
| 03:24.04 | captain_proton | although i could mod them to work off a serial port =) |
| 03:24.29 | patlabor221 | they use a 1/8" mini sterio |
| 03:24.31 | captain_proton | err |
| 03:24.33 | kunphuzil | now i must use mouse on right hand to play |
| 03:24.34 | captain_proton | that came off weird |
| 03:24.40 | captain_proton | "shame i don't have any ports for them" |
| 03:24.44 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:24.50 | patlabor221 | it comes with a little card |
| 03:24.51 | captain_proton | i could use a sound card! |
| 03:24.56 | captain_proton | oh thats cheating |
| 03:24.58 | michaelh2 | gotta keep that left hand free huh |
| 03:25.02 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 03:25.05 | patlabor221 | that loops thru the VGA cable |
| 03:25.06 | captain_proton | it'd be cooler to send raw samples to the sound card to do it ;) |
| 03:25.15 | patlabor221 | yeah that would be cool |
| 03:25.16 | kunphuzil | michaelh2: don't you play bzflag ? :P |
| 03:25.29 | michaelh2 | can't you just reassign keys etc? |
| 03:25.38 | patlabor221 | or just move the mouse |
| 03:25.50 | michaelh2 | he's a mouseless player? |
| 03:25.55 | patlabor221 | dono |
| 03:26.16 | michaelh2 | could turn keyboard over if that's the case |
| 03:26.30 | patlabor221 | or sit in the char updside down |
| 03:26.37 | michaelh2 | there you go |
| 03:26.46 | kunphuzil | i'm a left handed player not mouseless |
| 03:26.54 | michaelh2 | Resolution -- Fixed! |
| 03:27.05 | michaelh2 | so how is the mouse left or right oriented? |
| 03:27.18 | kunphuzil | eh? |
| 03:27.25 | patlabor221 | some mice are curved |
| 03:27.34 | kunphuzil | can i re assign keys? |
| 03:27.34 | michaelh2 | pffft |
| 03:27.38 | michaelh2 | yes |
| 03:27.39 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 03:28.04 | michaelh2 | we're going to run out of keys eventually :) |
| 03:28.17 | kunphuzil | do I just use "Up" for up arrow? |
| 03:28.24 | patlabor221 | naw then BZ will just require those internet keyboards |
| 03:29.04 | kunphuzil | hmm. my internet is not in its supreme condition today. running slow |
| 03:29.40 | kunphuzil | be back later. fooding |
| 03:31.41 | kunphuzil | it's not blank though |
| 03:31.51 | patlabor221 | hence the joke |
| 03:32.11 | kunphuzil | oh |
| 03:32.17 | kunphuzil | <: |
| 03:32.26 | Nidhoggr | there are technical manuals in the military that have blank pages that say "this page intentionally left blank" |
| 03:32.40 | Nidhoggr | there is logic to it though. |
| 03:32.44 | patlabor221 | I've seen it in lots of books |
| 03:32.45 | michaelh2 | kind of like "// do nothing" |
| 03:33.09 | Nidhoggr | for classified stuff, you know that someone doesn't photocopy a classified page on one side and replace it. |
| 03:33.56 | kunphuzil | what if they photo copy both sides? ;P |
| 03:34.01 | michaelh2 | couldn't they just go to kinkos |
| 03:34.04 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 03:36.55 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: don't print lines if player is NULL |
| 03:39.46 | patlabor221 | lets see if cap can get this song. |
| 03:39.47 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/music/Track1.mp3 |
| 03:41.31 | trepan | captain_proton: Chestal already fixed that patch, you just reverted it |
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| 03:43.39 | captain_proton | ergh |
| 03:44.18 | Phactorial | Hello |
| 03:44.30 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: segment the ground to prevent jumpiness |
| 03:46.40 | trepan | hehe |
| 03:47.13 | kunphuzil | Can i program in numbers for bzflag? |
| 03:47.33 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: huh? |
| 03:47.33 | patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:47.52 | kunphuzil | for the keys |
| 03:48.03 | kunphuzil | i want to play using the numlock pad |
| 03:48.05 | kunphuzil | for firing |
| 03:48.09 | kunphuzil | and dropping flag etc. |
| 03:48.15 | captain_proton | all the standard keys on a 102-key keyboard should work |
| 03:48.19 | kunphuzil | (since mouse is left) |
| 03:48.20 | kunphuzil | ok |
| 03:48.37 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i scared away that girl who talks in compressed ebonics |
| 03:48.52 | patlabor221 | awwwww |
| 03:49.05 | kunphuzil | compressed ebonics? |
| 03:49.07 | kunphuzil | heh heh |
| 03:49.17 | patlabor221 | you made the girls cry again, didn't we have a talk about that? |
| 03:49.22 | kunphuzil | fireKey Left Mouse/Enter/8 OK? |
| 03:49.24 | captain_proton | haha |
| 03:49.30 | kunphuzil | captain_proton: what did she say? |
| 03:49.38 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: nothing |
| 03:49.45 | kunphuzil | fireKey Left Mouse/Enter/8 <= that ok |
| 03:49.50 | patlabor221 | if you were on BZBB you would ket it kunkph |
| 03:49.52 | captain_proton | she showed up, took a few nerf tank bullets and left |
| 03:50.05 | kunphuzil | captain_proton: well what is oppressed ebonics |
| 03:50.14 | patlabor221 | compressed |
| 03:50.33 | kunphuzil | er, yeah :P |
| 03:50.39 | patlabor221 | go register for theBZBB forums and look for Chikorita |
| 03:50.40 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: you can only map two "keys" to an action |
| 03:50.43 | patlabor221 | you will see |
| 03:50.48 | kunphuzil | ok |
| 03:51.33 | patlabor221 | whoop supermoves time. |
| 03:51.52 | patlabor221 | awwwwww yeah |
| 03:52.58 | patlabor221 | screamers will have the ability to play a song at the start of a team match and this WILL be one of the things that can play |
| 03:54.08 | captain_proton | gah |
| 03:54.16 | captain_proton | dervish should NOT try to talk about computer security |
| 03:54.21 | patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 03:54.22 | patlabor221 | where? |
| 03:54.29 | captain_proton | on the thing about the email |
| 03:54.40 | patlabor221 | now it just uses the comps host name? |
| 03:54.43 | captain_proton | he's saying that knowing the network name (NOT the fully-qualified network name, mind you) could help an attacker gain access |
| 03:54.49 | patlabor221 | how is that an issue? |
| 03:54.57 | patlabor221 | I am JeffM@Mihoshi |
| 03:54.58 | captain_proton | i don't know |
| 03:55.00 | patlabor221 | that's it' |
| 03:55.09 | captain_proton | nevermind that windows broadcasts it to the world for all to see -on its own- |
| 03:55.15 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:55.25 | patlabor221 | but it's allmost never a real domain |
| 03:55.36 | captain_proton | bzflag won't report the fully-qualified domain |
| 03:55.40 | captain_proton | just the hostname |
| 03:55.51 | patlabor221 | on windows thats' the machines name |
| 03:55.57 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:56.05 | captain_proton | but its not like you could get an IP address from that |
| 03:56.12 | patlabor221 | like "admin@gateway distinguieshed user |
| 03:56.33 | patlabor221 | what topic? |
| 03:56.57 | captain_proton | G2 rc1 |
| 03:58.06 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 03:58.11 | captain_proton | so cgw has an article on the animatrix |
| 03:58.21 | captain_proton | apparently beyond has about 40% computer-generated footage |
| 03:58.48 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 03:58.56 | patlabor221 | it looks SOOO good on DVD |
| 03:59.04 | captain_proton | uhhuh :) |
| 04:01.31 | kunphuzil | What's the bzflag server called? |
| 04:01.40 | kunphuzil | bzfs? |
| 04:01.45 | patlabor221 | jaa |
| 04:01.54 | captain_proton | " if u dunt like italics then maybe like BOLD type will do ...if colors thingie turns out to be unpopular and unworkable...or maybee not use different colors at all an jus use italics for team and bold type for PM ...if thats even possible ...cuz like in FFA there are already so many team colors like red green blu purple an rogue yellow(isnt that a nice color name? heehe rogue yellow...i want my kitchen done in rogue yellow , heh) |
| 04:01.59 | captain_proton | uhhh....WHAT? |
| 04:02.06 | captain_proton | parse error. core dumped |
| 04:03.57 | patlabor221 | WTF are you talking about? |
| 04:04.04 | patlabor221 | did you eat paint chips as a kid? |
| 04:04.45 | captain_proton | thats our favorite bzflag kid |
| 04:05.09 | patlabor221 | target audience |
| 04:05.17 | trepan | whoz dat, cap? |
| 04:05.27 | patlabor221 | ohh the whiner? |
| 04:05.42 | captain_proton | chikorita is a winnar! |
| 04:05.50 | patlabor221 | ohh then o |
| 04:05.52 | patlabor221 | no |
| 04:06.06 | learner | Riker's message actually used to be a strict requirement for government publications |
| 04:06.12 | patlabor221 | ahhhhhhhhgghghghg.... the burito is fissile. |
| 04:06.14 | kunphuzil | Where to download BZFS? |
| 04:06.22 | patlabor221 | you build it |
| 04:06.44 | learner | All blank pages *had* to be marked "This page intentionally left blank." |
| 04:06.46 | kunphuzil | I know.. But where is the source? |
| 04:06.46 | patlabor221 | or it shold be included with all the distros or where ever you got the exe |
| 04:06.54 | kunphuzil | oh, hmm |
| 04:06.55 | learner | Only recently stopped the requirement |
| 04:07.00 | patlabor221 | how did you get BZ in the first place |
| 04:07.09 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: emerge'd it |
| 04:07.22 | patlabor221 | it should have come with the server |
| 04:07.26 | kunphuzil | but there is only bzflag.. no bzfs :/ |
| 04:07.33 | patlabor221 | I didn't think any of the packages didn't have it |
| 04:07.33 | patlabor221 | odd |
| 04:07.38 | patlabor221 | www.bzflag.org |
| 04:07.39 | kunphuzil | yeah |
| 04:07.42 | kunphuzil | weird |
| 04:07.48 | kunphuzil | i remember debian's came with it |
| 04:07.56 | kunphuzil | it is bzfs right? |
| 04:08.06 | patlabor221 | we don't have it seperate |
| 04:08.11 | patlabor221 | it's all part of the same package |
| 04:08.15 | patlabor221 | same sources |
| 04:08.22 | kunphuzil | i mean program name |
| 04:08.23 | kunphuzil | oh.. |
| 04:08.26 | kunphuzil | it is not in my path |
| 04:08.27 | kunphuzil | strange |
| 04:08.37 | patlabor221 | then you got da' funk |
| 04:09.47 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 04:09.56 | captain_proton | apparently someone is using old whois database info to send spam |
| 04:10.16 | patlabor221 | damn they are geting more clever arn't they |
| 04:10.58 | patlabor221 | I like the ones that send a mail to a bad address, but send it as if it's from you, so you get the smtp error, from like yahoo, so it gets thru the spam filters |
| 04:11.14 | captain_proton | heh |
| 04:13.09 | learner | Chika's a sweetheart you guys -- makes the game pretty fun and funny. |
| 04:13.13 | kunphuzil | Neato, I can run bzfs w/o X? |
| 04:13.25 | *** part/#bzflag Phactorial (~Phactoria@dial36-222.sbm.net.sa) |
| 04:13.26 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: wouldn't be much of a server if it needed X |
| 04:13.41 | kunphuzil | cool, heh |
| 04:13.42 | captain_proton | learner: yeah, but i can't understand a damn thing she says |
| 04:13.58 | learner | lol, you're that old already? |
| 04:14.21 | kunphuzil | Would a 200Mhz 64MB ram server on a LAN be slow? Or would running it on the box that I am playing it on be slower? |
| 04:15.28 | patlabor221 | it gets hard some times, I can understand a bit, but sometimes you just have to let up a bit |
| 04:15.28 | captain_proton | naw, just hang around a different crowd |
| 04:15.28 | learner | heh heh |
| 04:15.28 | learner | She reminds me of an old buddy in college that used to talk like that; I'm used to it. |
| 04:15.53 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: thats more than enough power |
| 04:15.53 | patlabor221 | the server dosn't use much cpu |
| 04:16.04 | captain_proton | the biggest issue with the server is bandwidth |
| 04:17.46 | kunphuzil | oh ok |
| 04:18.56 | kunphuzil | running it on the box you are playing (for like a LAN party or something) wouldn't make it very slow right? |
| 04:19.03 | captain_proton | not at all |
| 04:19.05 | patlabor221 | not much |
| 04:19.07 | captain_proton | i used to do that all the time |
| 04:19.15 | kunphuzil | ok cool |
| 04:21.51 | learner | Question about server traffic: Does chatter and other packets from observers get sent to all clients and then get filtered by the individual clients based on destination, or does the server perform some intelligent routing? |
| 04:22.50 | captain_proton | server provides intelligent routing |
| 04:23.30 | patlabor221 | well there goes a bit of sillyness on BZBB :) |
| 04:24.47 | patlabor221 | ahah.... it's "Parade of the ewocks" |
| 04:25.09 | patlabor221 | the queen of all digital media has said so. |
| 04:25.50 | captain_proton | queen of all digital media? |
| 04:26.00 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:26.09 | patlabor221 | she must be obeyed in these maters |
| 04:26.28 | captain_proton | of whom do you speak? |
| 04:28.19 | patlabor221 | a gril |
| 04:28.23 | patlabor221 | girl even |
| 04:28.31 | patlabor221 | woman techincaly |
| 04:28.35 | patlabor221 | who I know |
| 04:28.50 | captain_proton | i see |
| 04:30.17 | patlabor221 | and she found one on the interweb that is titled as such, and is the same music |
| 04:30.21 | patlabor221 | she is GOOD |
| 04:30.26 | patlabor221 | and she smells nice. |
| 04:30.33 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:32.45 | kunphuzil | I can't remember if it is has always run kind of "jerky" or not on my computer |
| 04:34.09 | patlabor221 | well you are in software now |
| 04:34.12 | patlabor221 | aka CRAP |
| 04:34.28 | patlabor221 | cap I think your avitar suits you. |
| 04:34.33 | patlabor221 | hah I made a pun |
| 04:34.44 | kunphuzil | How do I get into hardware so it's not aka CRAP anymore? |
| 04:35.02 | patlabor221 | well that's the part where you get drivers that support your hardware |
| 04:35.02 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:35.10 | fiberchunks | patlabor221> what bit of silliness? |
| 04:35.13 | patlabor221 | or get hardware that has real driver |
| 04:35.24 | patlabor221 | you shall see fiber, you shall see |
| 04:35.30 | patlabor221 | actualy you can see now |
| 04:35.32 | fiberchunks | oh no |
| 04:35.32 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: he and i are debunking dervish's FUD |
| 04:35.38 | fiberchunks | which FUD |
| 04:35.40 | patlabor221 | no cap, it's not that |
| 04:35.43 | kunphuzil | :/ maybe i will reboot and see if it works |
| 04:35.45 | patlabor221 | tho that is funny too |
| 04:35.48 | captain_proton | its not? |
| 04:36.06 | patlabor221 | kunph no it won't you need to fix your origonal problem, you have just worked around it. |
| 04:36.16 | captain_proton | which forum? |
| 04:36.26 | fiberchunks | yah, /me wants to know too |
| 04:36.26 | kunphuzil | patlabor221: eh? could you retype that? |
| 04:36.40 | patlabor221 | you need to fix your origonal problem |
| 04:36.51 | patlabor221 | you have only made a workaround with the -window thing |
| 04:36.53 | fiberchunks | kunphuzil> you're rendering with software right now -- you need to check out the gentoo forums, cause rebooting ain't gonna fix it |
| 04:37.01 | patlabor221 | you still have a jacked X hardware driver |
| 04:37.12 | captain_proton | oh |
| 04:37.13 | captain_proton | my |
| 04:37.14 | captain_proton | god |
| 04:37.14 | kunphuzil | no.. reboot because I changed some stuff in the kernel |
| 04:37.22 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: what forum ? |
| 04:37.24 | kunphuzil | (enabled DRI and /dev/agp or whatever) |
| 04:37.26 | captain_proton | chat |
| 04:37.28 | fiberchunks | ah, well that might do it |
| 04:37.38 | patlabor221 | you can allways tru |
| 04:37.42 | patlabor221 | ya like that cap? |
| 04:38.04 | captain_proton | i'm scared |
| 04:38.15 | patlabor221 | come on, add your own |
| 04:38.16 | fiberchunks | what the HELL is that, defiling our forum? ;) |
| 04:38.18 | patlabor221 | you know you wana |
| 04:38.47 | captain_proton | naw |
| 04:38.49 | patlabor221 | japanese translated into romanji, translated to l33t |
| 04:38.52 | fiberchunks | ahahahahaha |
| 04:39.03 | captain_proton | my will to do things like that was sapped from me by how the dk64 developers used up their extra ROM space |
| 04:42.11 | patlabor221 | pfffft thats not valid |
| 04:44.26 | patlabor221 | damn that song almost looks like a base 26 dump of a data or something |
| 04:45.31 | fiberchunks | captain_proton> what FUD is this you were telling me about? |
| 04:46.06 | patlabor221 | the thing where derv was saying that a hacker coudl get into your machine if they knew your local machine name |
| 04:46.55 | fiberchunks | my local machine name? ok, horkinfiberchunks - now derv, get into it |
| 04:47.19 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:47.26 | patlabor221 | or as most people will have |
| 04:47.33 | patlabor221 | DELLDIMENSION |
| 04:47.39 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:47.41 | patlabor221 | and COMPAQ_CUST |
| 04:48.01 | patlabor221 | I'd like to see him hack me with |
| 04:48.04 | fiberchunks | was that in particular reference to windows shares or something of that nature? |
| 04:48.09 | patlabor221 | JeffM@Mihoshi |
| 04:48.43 | patlabor221 | if you have sharing turned on, windows broadcasts all over your subnet to find shares that arn't on a PDC |
| 04:50.13 | fiberchunks | that's the port 139 and family cruft I assume |
| 04:50.26 | patlabor221 | I think it uses one of those |
| 04:50.37 | *** join/#bzflag CobraA1 (CobraA1@68.114.205.4) |
| 04:50.40 | fiberchunks | netbios or some such thing? |
| 04:50.46 | patlabor221 | no thats over ipx |
| 04:51.07 | patlabor221 | but similar |
| 04:51.09 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:51.14 | patlabor221 | it's the MS TCP net proto |
| 04:51.31 | patlabor221 | what ever it is, it DOSN"T FREAKIN WORK in this house |
| 04:51.31 | fiberchunks | oh, they have their own standard for TCP too? neat . :\ |
| 04:51.42 | patlabor221 | jsut for there inter windows networking |
| 04:51.48 | patlabor221 | it's the stuff that samba does |
| 04:51.54 | patlabor221 | its normal TCP packets |
| 04:52.07 | fiberchunks | ah, smb protocol stuffs |
| 04:52.15 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:57.23 | kunphuzil | trying a reboot with new kernel |
| 04:57.40 | patlabor221 | good luck, victory or death!!!! |
| 04:58.35 | fiberchunks | hard core bz ritual |
| 04:58.37 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 04:58.41 | kunphuzil | heh |
| 04:58.52 | kunphuzil | what does bz stand for anyway? |
| 04:58.54 | patlabor221 | remember is OR not AND |
| 04:58.58 | patlabor221 | BattleZone |
| 04:59.07 | kunphuzil | oh |
| 05:03.26 | *** join/#bzflag kunphuzil (~jtmendes@69.10.99.186) |
| 05:03.31 | kunphuzil | MUHAHAHAHAHA |
| 05:03.39 | kunphuzil | Full screen, and no jerky |
| 05:03.50 | patlabor221 | bef jerkey? |
| 05:03.59 | kunphuzil | No aka CRAP |
| 05:04.00 | patlabor221 | or turkey jerkey? |
| 05:04.12 | patlabor221 | well it's a trident, it's still crap, just of a lesser extent :) |
| 05:04.19 | kunphuzil | i'm a vegetarian |
| 05:04.31 | patlabor221 | ahhh then karrot jerky |
| 05:04.40 | captain_proton | theoretical TURKEY JERKY |
| 05:04.57 | captain_proton | err..guess thats an inside joke :) |
| 05:05.16 | kunphuzil | i used to call jerky turkey when i was a tike |
| 05:05.31 | patlabor221 | a "tike"? people still talk like that? |
| 05:05.51 | kunphuzil | I talk like that |
| 05:05.59 | patlabor221 | wow |
| 05:06.08 | kunphuzil | Not normally |
| 05:06.13 | kunphuzil | I just wanted to say tike |
| 05:06.19 | kunphuzil | tiker-tot! |
| 05:06.21 | patlabor221 | so abnormaly you talk like that |
| 05:06.33 | kunphuzil | guess so |
| 05:06.43 | kunphuzil | tiker-tod is a cool word.. |
| 05:06.45 | kunphuzil | tot( |
| 05:06.48 | patlabor221 | cap, let the derv whumpin begin. he's on now. |
| 05:06.48 | kunphuzil | tot* |
| 05:07.35 | Noodleman | vegheads stick together, right kunphuzil? |
| 05:07.49 | patlabor221 | so you can be harvested? |
| 05:08.05 | patlabor221 | does that pickle you? :) |
| 05:08.11 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 05:08.19 | kunphuzil | Noodleman: you are too? |
| 05:08.25 | Noodleman | so'nuff |
| 05:08.34 | captain_proton | he leaves for his honeymoon tomorrow and he -came into work- |
| 05:08.46 | patlabor221 | oooo that's wumpin time |
| 05:09.09 | kunphuzil | what is whump? |
| 05:09.13 | patlabor221 | kumph where you from? |
| 05:09.24 | patlabor221 | ~dict whump |
| 05:09.25 | Noodleman | your guess is as good as mine |
| 05:09.36 | patlabor221 | ibot you suck |
| 05:09.36 | | :( |
| 05:09.49 | captain_proton | its the #bzflag vernacular |
| 05:10.01 | patlabor221 | no it's a real word |
| 05:10.12 | patlabor221 | Main Entry: whump |
| 05:10.13 | patlabor221 | Pronunciation: 'hw&mp, 'w&mp |
| 05:10.13 | patlabor221 | Function: intransitive verb |
| 05:10.13 | patlabor221 | Etymology: imitative |
| 05:10.13 | patlabor221 | Date: 1897 |
| 05:10.13 | patlabor221 | : BANG, THUMP |
| 05:10.15 | patlabor221 | - whump noun |
| 05:10.23 | patlabor221 | it's intransitive |
| 05:10.35 | kunphuzil | what does that mean? |
| 05:10.43 | kunphuzil | heffalumps and woosels :D |
| 05:10.44 | patlabor221 | to bang or thump |
| 05:10.55 | kunphuzil | no ehsy id intransitive |
| 05:11.03 | Noodleman | in other words, you can't thump someone |
| 05:11.09 | patlabor221 | sure you can |
| 05:11.10 | kunphuzil | sorry, what is intransitive? |
| 05:11.20 | Noodleman | then it must be transitive |
| 05:12.19 | patlabor221 | hey are you callin Merriam and Webster liars? |
| 05:12.27 | patlabor221 | cus Webseter will cry |
| 05:12.38 | patlabor221 | he's a little puss like that. |
| 05:12.52 | patlabor221 | : not transitive; especially : characterized by not having or containing a direct object <an intransitive verb> |
| 05:13.01 | Noodleman | maybe it's a different whump we are talking about then :-) |
| 05:13.13 | patlabor221 | it said "to bang or thump" |
| 05:13.18 | patlabor221 | what other kind is there? |
| 05:13.30 | Noodleman | dunno, i'm asking you :-P |
| 05:13.46 | patlabor221 | your asking me about english? have you gone mad? |
| 05:14.28 | captain_proton | hah |
| 05:14.29 | patlabor221 | ohh I posted news on stats, I hope you don't have to remove it :) |
| 05:14.33 | Noodleman | nuunen spaekona anglasieds |
| 05:15.35 | Noodleman | i'm just giving you a rough time |
| 05:15.37 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 05:16.46 | kunphuzil | What is the default port bzfs runs on? |
| 05:17.02 | Noodleman | 5155 and 5156 |
| 05:17.08 | Noodleman | both ports |
| 05:17.12 | patlabor221 | jess |
| 05:17.19 | captain_proton | both ports for tcp |
| 05:17.21 | captain_proton | just 5155 for udp |
| 05:19.51 | captain_proton | patlabor221: i'm gonna have to don the KFJ if derv starts saying that keeping your login name secret is security |
| 05:20.27 | patlabor221 | LOL |
| 05:20.30 | patlabor221 | http://images.clango.org/sideimages/basic-fashion-side.gif |
| 05:20.38 | patlabor221 | I orded it on monday |
| 05:21.08 | captain_proton | patlabor221: order? |
| 05:21.09 | patlabor221 | I will asist you in that endevor cap |
| 05:21.11 | patlabor221 | order |
| 05:21.18 | captain_proton | link me |
| 05:21.23 | captain_proton | i wanna see the bad-assedness |
| 05:21.24 | patlabor221 | as in useing the interweb for commerce |
| 05:21.33 | patlabor221 | it's the black one with white trim |
| 05:21.59 | patlabor221 | http://www.chinasprout.com/store/C394.html |
| 05:22.17 | patlabor221 | says right there "Kung Fu Jacket" |
| 05:22.18 | captain_proton | ah |
| 05:22.18 | captain_proton | neato |
| 05:23.26 | patlabor221 | did he post again after we said our "nuhuh"s? |
| 05:23.49 | captain_proton | nothing so far |
| 05:23.53 | patlabor221 | tho I think spiff was stupid and put his isp as his machine name |
| 05:23.59 | patlabor221 | ME will let you put a . in there |
| 05:24.02 | captain_proton | hah |
| 05:24.39 | patlabor221 | I mean I can see that as your domian, MAYBE if you had a XP style net, but not your machine name. |
| 05:24.40 | captain_proton | HARCOURT! |
| 05:24.43 | captain_proton | *ahem* |
| 05:24.53 | patlabor221 | it's also sent to every freaking web page they go to. |
| 05:26.42 | fiberchunks | linkage? |
| 05:26.56 | patlabor221 | what funny? |
| 05:26.59 | patlabor221 | there are many funnys? |
| 05:27.03 | fiberchunks | the derv spiff funny |
| 05:27.11 | fiberchunks | there are when they get involved ;) |
| 05:27.25 | patlabor221 | http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=697&start=15 |
| 05:27.48 | captain_proton | i especially like how people try to bring up computer security when something doesn't behave the way they want |
| 05:27.55 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:28.04 | patlabor221 | I say that about photoshop 7 |
| 05:28.04 | captain_proton | mostly because the people who generally do that know next to nothing about security |
| 05:28.10 | patlabor221 | cust they too away my airbursh |
| 05:28.41 | patlabor221 | it's cus they are sheeplike |
| 05:29.09 | captain_proton | perhaps |
| 05:29.22 | captain_proton | i think its because they feel like they're smart if they talk about security |
| 05:30.05 | patlabor221 | that too |
| 05:31.06 | fiberchunks | so if your whozitz is adapted to the whatjamacallit -- can we create a smart interface for an encrypted telekinetic bzflag input device? |
| 05:31.16 | patlabor221 | YES! |
| 05:31.17 | captain_proton | you left out a word |
| 05:31.18 | captain_proton | haptic |
| 05:31.19 | fiberchunks | please |
| 05:31.19 | patlabor221 | out of legos |
| 05:31.29 | patlabor221 | WTF is haptic? |
| 05:31.29 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:31.34 | captain_proton | telekinetic haptic interface |
| 05:31.35 | kunphuzil | There aren't any flags on my server.. How does the +f and -f options work? |
| 05:31.36 | fiberchunks | ~dict haptic |
| 05:31.37 | captain_proton | patlabor221: sense of touch |
| 05:31.43 | patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 05:31.51 | fiberchunks | allo? ibot? |
| 05:31.57 | captain_proton | kunphuzil: read the documentation :P |
| 05:32.01 | patlabor221 | thow "isoliniar" in there |
| 05:32.07 | captain_proton | hap.tic \'hap-tik\ \-ti-k*l\ aj [ISV, fr. Gk haptein to fasten] : relating |
| 05:32.07 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:32.10 | kunphuzil | i am and i don't get it |
| 05:32.17 | patlabor221 | or do +s 32 and get some random flags |
| 05:32.27 | patlabor221 | you do +f GM that gives you 1 GM |
| 05:32.29 | captain_proton | 32 is too many :) |
| 05:32.33 | kunphuzil | oh ok |
| 05:32.34 | fiberchunks | lolol, captain_proton: add a bs patch to sf.net containing buzzword bingo for the next new bzflag interface -- get everyone talking :) |
| 05:32.34 | patlabor221 | there is a code for each flag |
| 05:32.40 | patlabor221 | ok +s 5 |
| 05:33.53 | fiberchunks | wasn't there mention of some new-fangled thang for specifying quantity of flags? or is that already in there (been a loooongg time since I ran a server) |
| 05:34.09 | patlabor221 | I think so |
| 05:34.18 | fiberchunks | like +10f GM or some such |
| 05:34.21 | patlabor221 | like +f GM 3 or some thing |
| 05:34.31 | patlabor221 | wow they line up |
| 05:34.32 | fiberchunks | yeah....sumthin like that |
| 05:34.39 | fiberchunks | freaky |
| 05:34.51 | patlabor221 | psycic vibrations |
| 05:34.56 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:34.58 | patlabor221 | over udp |
| 05:35.18 | fiberchunks | haptic telekinesis driven by a lineal over-acceleration line |
| 05:35.36 | patlabor221 | then run thur ZLIB |
| 05:35.46 | fiberchunks | and pacified by grsec |
| 05:36.03 | patlabor221 | in a chroot prison |
| 05:36.32 | fiberchunks | on an encrypted filesystem |
| 05:36.46 | patlabor221 | running in ziplinux on a windows 98 machine |
| 05:37.12 | fiberchunks | on a cray |
| 05:37.18 | patlabor221 | in VM ware |
| 05:37.19 | fiberchunks | hrm.... |
| 05:37.52 | fiberchunks | we're almost up to 250, btw |
| 05:37.56 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:38.02 | patlabor221 | tho I had to remove 2 |
| 05:38.07 | fiberchunks | old accounts? |
| 05:38.11 | patlabor221 | 1 was |
| 05:38.13 | captain_proton | 'neverending' threads suck ass |
| 05:38.25 | fiberchunks | hehehe, had a feeling that that would be said ;) |
| 05:38.27 | patlabor221 | the other was just made by somoene to be ofenseice |
| 05:38.33 | patlabor221 | so I killed it |
| 05:38.34 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:38.47 | fiberchunks | we should go in there and root out all the dups and what not one of these days |
| 05:38.50 | patlabor221 | when the mail addy is "spiffsucks@yahoo.com" I kinda knew |
| 05:39.00 | fiberchunks | hrm, sussudio? |
| 05:39.09 | patlabor221 | or lt.d |
| 05:39.13 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:39.30 | patlabor221 | lt.d is on the shitlist allready |
| 05:39.42 | fiberchunks | cheating? |
| 05:39.51 | patlabor221 | that and being a farking idiot |
| 05:40.04 | fiberchunks | mmmm, there seems to be lots of them playing these days |
| 05:40.08 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:40.23 | fiberchunks | stop making bzflag #6 on the sf list, please -- and they'll go away ;) |
| 05:41.23 | patlabor221 | we could just ban the ever lovin piss outa them |
| 05:41.37 | fiberchunks | I suppose that one of these days, we could atticize some of those ancient posts too |
| 05:41.46 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:41.58 | patlabor221 | keep the dredgers from hiting them |
| 05:42.03 | fiberchunks | heh, autoban -- 'are you new?' Yes 'you have been autobanned' :) |
| 05:42.32 | patlabor221 | there are like 2 people that love to seem to hit every topic that has chaned since there last post. |
| 05:42.44 | fiberchunks | yeah, I'm one of em ;) |
| 05:42.58 | patlabor221 | no I mean like besides me and you |
| 05:43.03 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:43.06 | captain_proton | i usually only hit the ones where people require smackage |
| 05:43.13 | patlabor221 | and is SGI stupid? or just wierd? |
| 05:43.23 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 05:43.30 | fiberchunks | foreign -- he's in an entirely different category :) |
| 05:43.32 | captain_proton | ohh the guy not the company |
| 05:43.35 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:43.37 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:43.43 | patlabor221 | who does the ... crap? |
| 05:43.58 | fiberchunks | well...I do it sometimes ;) |
| 05:44.08 | patlabor221 | ohh I have no clue about the company |
| 05:44.08 | fiberchunks | but then again, I type how I speak |
| 05:44.19 | fiberchunks | poorly... ;) |
| 05:44.22 | patlabor221 | I mean the guy who does it like every 3 words |
| 05:44.34 | trepan | captain_proton: one last colorization question, do you want the alerts to be colorized or not? ('cause it needs to be touched up either way) |
| 05:44.36 | fiberchunks | SGI does it alot |
| 05:44.41 | captain_proton | because the 7 year old SGI viz system i have access to has higher polygon throughput than yer FX ;) |
| 05:44.53 | patlabor221 | as it shold be |
| 05:44.56 | captain_proton | alerts like flags? |
| 05:45.09 | trepan | ya, and messages go up there too |
| 05:45.22 | captain_proton | eh |
| 05:45.27 | trepan | i think that the flags are already fine |
| 05:45.31 | captain_proton | i'm happy with how it is now |
| 05:45.50 | trepan | the problem is that the text width is computed with the escape codes |
| 05:46.13 | trepan | it looks screwy (tech. term) |
| 05:46.16 | captain_proton | that should be easily fixable, no? |
| 05:46.20 | trepan | yup |
| 05:47.09 | patlabor221 | I tink it's time for some PSO then bed |
| 05:47.11 | fiberchunks | ah, speaking of messages -- I've noticed that long lines in the chat thingy, get cropped on either side of the HUD -- is this 'acceptable' behavior? |
| 05:47.29 | fiberchunks | when they get 'entered', not while editing |
| 05:47.37 | patlabor221 | yeah I had that issue when doing the admin thing |
| 05:47.40 | patlabor221 | it got funked |
| 05:47.52 | fiberchunks | should it get scaled down to fit? |
| 05:48.13 | patlabor221 | or just broke at the word before |
| 05:48.20 | patlabor221 | ahh well |
| 05:48.33 | fiberchunks | later on |
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| 05:53.57 | kunphuzil | What is Phantom Zone flag? |
| 05:54.29 | fiberchunks | read the help in bzflag -- it'll tell you |
| 05:55.30 | fiberchunks | it's kind of like a ghosting flag -- you're a ghost once you go thru a teleport, nothing can kill you but SB and SW -- but you can't shoot either |
| 05:57.20 | kunphuzil | oh, cool |
| 06:02.28 | kunphuzil | wow fiberchunks is in no. 1 |
| 06:03.21 | fiberchunks | no, that's old, and only collects stats from certain servers -- so it's prob not accurate |
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| 06:26.51 | trepan | omg, bzflag actually runs in wine |
| 06:27.15 | captain_proton | yikes |
| 06:27.15 | captain_proton | yikes |
| 06:27.16 | fiberchunks | it does? |
| 06:27.18 | captain_proton | yikes! |
| 06:27.19 | fiberchunks | wow |
| 06:28.13 | trepan | well, at least the install and gfx. my wine/net was broken anyways |
| 06:29.10 | captain_proton | now, another question comes up |
| 06:29.10 | captain_proton | why? |
| 06:29.19 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 06:29.29 | fiberchunks | because you can (tm) |
| 06:30.01 | trepan | (and 'cause i don't have anyways windows to test with) |
| 06:32.03 | captain_proton | i don't think wine is an adequate test for windows |
| 06:32.17 | captain_proton | the solution for that problem is to poke pat or MAC with a long stick |
| 06:33.26 | trepan | cap, whatcha wanna do with the alerts? |
| 06:34.19 | captain_proton | i'd suggest fixing the length issue |
| 06:35.04 | trepan | ok, already done then, i'll send you the patch (just OpenGLTexFont.cxx) |
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| 06:35.36 | captain_proton | i'm about to hit the sack |
| 06:35.39 | captain_proton | better to post on sf |
| 06:35.45 | trepan | will do, later |
| 06:35.48 | captain_proton | then Chestal will probably get to it |
| 06:36.17 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:40.00 | captain_proton | hi ak|ra |
| 06:40.01 | captain_proton | 'night :) |
| 06:40.44 | ak|ra | n8 |
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| 06:47.22 | trepan | heh, it does work in wine (with some weirdness) |
| 07:03.16 | ak|ra | which program trepan |
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| 07:13.00 | trepan | ak|ra: sorry, bzflag works in wine |
| 07:14.01 | ak|ra | :) |
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| 07:26.01 | [dmp] | morning |
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| 08:18.09 | bomber | moin |
| 08:18.30 | ak|ra | moin |
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| 10:32.45 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 10:35.27 | bomber | ~ducati6 |
| 10:57.00 | [dmp] | Chestal: awake? |
| 10:57.20 | ak|ra | he never sleeps |
| 11:00.58 | [dmp] | I guess that would depends on the definition of sleep. By awake, i mean; mentally available :) |
| 11:03.22 | ak|ra | he is not online at icq .. so i assume he is not available right now |
| 11:04.10 | [dmp] | Guess so. |
| 11:53.15 | bomber | ~ducati6 |
| 12:24.11 | bomber | ~ducati6 |
| 12:28.03 | bomber | someone expert in Qt ? |
| 12:33.58 | Chestal | dmp: barely |
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| 13:15.50 | bomber | chestal: what does it (R) mean in /lagstats |
| 13:22.55 | Chestal | bomber: that the person has /identified |
| 13:46.54 | Chestal | anyone remember Zig? |
| 13:50.02 | bzgirl | i do |
| 13:50.33 | bzgirl | havent seen him since that day he caused all that trouble on ducati |
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| 14:15.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 14:20.29 | Chestal | hi Tim |
| 14:29.26 | prot-work | what about Zig? |
| 14:29.50 | Chestal | he wrote a polite bzmessage to me |
| 14:30.09 | Chestal | he wants to come back and play on my servers |
| 14:30.40 | prot-work | hm |
| 14:30.43 | prot-work | what exactly did he do? |
| 14:30.52 | Chestal | to get banned? |
| 14:30.56 | prot-work | right |
| 14:31.09 | Chestal | someone forgot the / on the /passwd command |
| 14:31.16 | Chestal | he saw it and abused it |
| 14:31.36 | prot-work | ah |
| 14:31.42 | Chestal | now that I don't need the admin password anymore, he can come back :-) |
| 14:32.02 | Chestal | so, time to replace the MD5 class |
| 14:32.15 | Chestal | it's all new code, but I guess I'll just do a normal commit? |
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| 14:32.43 | Chestal | then I plan to actually use password hashes in the file |
| 14:33.07 | prot-work | i don't really see the benefit of password hashs |
| 14:33.12 | prot-work | but *shrug* |
| 14:33.48 | Chestal | well, there ar some advantages, and it's cool |
| 14:33.59 | prot-work | you just want to use your md5 class |
| 14:34.09 | Chestal | peopel have been using /register for some time now,including onmy servers, so it must be able to recognize the odo format and convert |
| 14:34.16 | Chestal | the otehr one is broken |
| 14:35.05 | Chestal | mine is, too, it shares some defects because they are in the reference implementtion already, but it's an improvement |
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| 14:36.29 | doughecka | greetings |
| 14:38.31 | bzgirl | hi doug |
| 14:39.00 | doughecka | :) |
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| 15:08.40 | prot-work | wahoo |
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| 15:43.38 | CIA | commit by chestal: replace old MD5 class with mine :-) |
| 15:44.38 | CIA | commit by chestal: store user passwords as md5 hashes, not plaintext |
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| 15:51.04 | Nidhoggr | so, if I already have a database with non-encrypted passwords, how will new bzfs treat it? |
| 15:51.58 | Chestal | it will be able to read it. Next time the serevr saves the file, it will use hashes |
| 15:52.04 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 15:52.10 | Nidhoggr | good work :) |
| 15:52.15 | Chestal | I used a simpel heuristic. Peopel who have a 32 letter password now, will be hosed :-) |
| 15:52.26 | Nidhoggr | I really dislike having to biff databases because of changes. |
| 15:52.29 | stibnite | some people like that |
| 15:52.39 | Nidhoggr | hi stib |
| 15:52.59 | Nidhoggr | no spoogebob since I emailed him. |
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| 15:53.42 | doughecka | what did you email him? |
| 15:53.47 | stibnite | haha, as much as I'd love to hear that he didn't come back, |
| 15:53.51 | Nidhoggr | I've lost another 2 pounds! went from 197 about 3 weeks ago, and down to 183 this AM. |
| 15:54.00 | fiberchunks | congratulations :) |
| 15:54.04 | stibnite | somehow I think he craves the attention |
| 15:54.06 | Nidhoggr | thanks :) |
| 15:54.15 | stibnite | congrats nidhoggr |
| 15:54.23 | fiberchunks | spoogebob? attention-starved --- naaaaaahhhhhhh ;) |
| 15:54.29 | Nidhoggr | well, since we know who he is, I think he might not be back. |
| 15:54.30 | stibnite | I'm thin again myself since my wife made me quit drinking |
| 15:54.43 | Nidhoggr | I have his phone number and cell phone number, and address. |
| 15:54.56 | Nidhoggr | and a friend in dallas who said he'll take a pic of his front door for me. :) |
| 15:54.58 | stibnite | wow, nice |
| 15:55.02 | fiberchunks | hehehe, what was his website address? |
| 15:55.03 | Patlabor221 | damn there goes my 32 letter password :( |
| 15:55.16 | stibnite | lol |
| 15:55.16 | Nidhoggr | it was his IP, fiber. dunno about the address now. |
| 15:55.20 | Nidhoggr | he took it offline. |
| 15:55.34 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 15:55.46 | fiberchunks | hrm, wonder why ? ;) |
| 15:56.05 | Nidhoggr | he was really careful for a long time... and finally slipped up. |
| 15:56.14 | Nidhoggr | it was bound to happen. |
| 15:56.30 | fiberchunks | hey Patlabor221, was there a line item : Harrass bzflag players to the point of insanity by being a general idiot -- on his resume? |
| 15:56.32 | Nidhoggr | and I wasn't all that focused on finding him before, either. |
| 15:56.41 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 15:56.42 | stibnite | lol |
| 15:57.11 | stibnite | note to self: Do not give nidhoggr reason to stalk me |
| 15:57.26 | Patlabor221 | it did say "am insecure about the size of my penis, so I make fun of others in psudo anonymous public internet venues" |
| 15:57.35 | fiberchunks | lol! |
| 15:57.52 | stibnite | that jerk copied my resume! |
| 15:58.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah he had a lot of files from your system |
| 15:58.27 | fiberchunks | pr0n1 pr0n2 pron3 directories -- ;) |
| 15:58.31 | stibnite | lol |
| 15:59.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah what is up with the goat porn tho man? |
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| 16:01.31 | creeperz | crs is in the credits for "Finding Nemo"? |
| 16:01.45 | stibnite | what can i say, i grew up on a farm |
| 16:01.49 | bryjen | goat porn. apparently _that's_ how to clear a room |
| 16:01.53 | stibnite | then, in '82, i grew a tail |
| 16:02.08 | stibnite | we loved the land, and the land loved us back |
| 16:02.16 | stibnite | haha |
| 16:02.28 | creeperz | stibnite is freakin' me out |
| 16:02.35 | stibnite | this is why i rarely speak |
| 16:02.42 | bzgirl | :) |
| 16:02.46 | bryjen | what a downward spiral this has become |
| 16:02.54 | bryjen | wheeeee! |
| 16:05.28 | creeperz | AO-'L NO |
| 16:05.32 | creeperz | :-) |
| 16:06.27 | fiberchunks | stibnite> is hashmark your server? |
| 16:06.43 | stibnite | yeah |
| 16:06.58 | fiberchunks | thought so |
| 16:07.02 | stibnite | i don't pay much attention to it these days, as is probably pretty obvious |
| 16:07.06 | fiberchunks | who are the admins there, besides you |
| 16:07.19 | stibnite | lemme see |
| 16:08.51 | Patlabor221 | gawd humans are dumb |
| 16:09.11 | fiberchunks | I only play one part time |
| 16:09.18 | fiberchunks | so I'm dumb only 1/2 the time |
| 16:09.28 | creeperz | :-) |
| 16:09.36 | creeperz | I know I am but what am I? |
| 16:09.41 | fiberchunks | sometimes 3/4 of the time, but it varies in proportion to how much I've drank that day |
| 16:11.18 | fiberchunks | stib? stib? wherefore are thou stib? |
| 16:11.46 | stibnite | i'm still looking that up |
| 16:12.00 | fiberchunks | ah, im just rushing you :) |
| 16:12.08 | JBDiGriz | fiber and stib playing "Romeo and Juliet", Is this a step up from the previous discussion? |
| 16:12.17 | creeperz | Hey, Patlabor221 |
| 16:12.48 | JBDiGriz | The what are you when not human? |
| 16:12.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:13.12 | fiberchunks | I prefer to consider myself metal |
| 16:13.19 | creeperz | When is Halo 2 coming out again? |
| 16:13.20 | Patlabor221 | jdb you need to expand your mind. |
| 16:13.23 | Patlabor221 | 2005 |
| 16:13.29 | creeperz | Great |
| 16:13.34 | creeperz | Halo for PC? |
| 16:13.39 | Patlabor221 | on my birthday |
| 16:13.47 | creeperz | When is that? |
| 16:13.52 | Patlabor221 | september |
| 16:13.54 | stibnite | looks like db/HPP is, and dr leviathan is |
| 16:14.04 | JBDiGriz | I'm on my first cup of coffee, it's still morning around here! :) |
| 16:14.06 | creeperz | Date? |
| 16:14.07 | stibnite | and sinep |
| 16:14.10 | Patlabor221 | 15th |
| 16:14.11 | creeperz | ? |
| 16:14.14 | stibnite | creeperz: no thanks, i'm married |
| 16:14.19 | creeperz | Heh |
| 16:14.31 | creeperz | Great |
| 16:14.40 | Patlabor221 | your PC will not run it |
| 16:15.20 | JBDiGriz | Why is everyone coming on to stib? Is there something about having a tail? |
| 16:15.21 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:15.25 | Patlabor221 | it's allmost done |
| 16:15.27 | Patlabor221 | I played it |
| 16:15.37 | fiberchunks | JBDiGriz> tails is sexaaaaayyyyyy ;) |
| 16:16.59 | Patlabor221 | crepper you know what halo was origonlay made for right? |
| 16:17.08 | creeperz | X-Box |
| 16:17.12 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 16:17.16 | creeperz | ? |
| 16:17.31 | creeperz | Can Halo really play on Linux? |
| 16:17.31 | Chestal | tuxscreen? |
| 16:17.32 | Patlabor221 | it became x-box exclusive after it's inception and first showing |
| 16:17.46 | Patlabor221 | you do know the history of bungie do you not? |
| 16:17.54 | Patlabor221 | halo was shown at macworld boston |
| 16:17.55 | creeperz | not a bit |
| 16:18.01 | creeperz | Really? |
| 16:18.12 | Patlabor221 | on the first G4 with a GF3 |
| 16:18.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:18.21 | Patlabor221 | bungie made mac games |
| 16:18.29 | Patlabor221 | it was to ship for the mac and the PC |
| 16:18.45 | creeperz | Wow |
| 16:18.45 | Patlabor221 | then they merged wtih MS and went to the box. |
| 16:19.04 | creeperz | I had never known that until now |
| 16:19.05 | Patlabor221 | and I thouhgt you read all the penny arcades |
| 16:19.13 | creeperz | No |
| 16:19.16 | creeperz | Not ALL of them |
| 16:19.20 | creeperz | Many of them |
| 16:20.08 | Patlabor221 | bungie sold there soul |
| 16:20.33 | creeperz | *tisk tisk tisk* |
| 16:20.35 | Patlabor221 | there was a great cry heard that day, like thousands of mac users crying out in terror, then sudenly silanced |
| 16:20.36 | bryjen | what other kind of deal can one make with the devil ? |
| 16:20.54 | Patlabor221 | he takes cash too |
| 16:20.56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: heh |
| 16:20.59 | Chestal | I never even heard of bungie or halo |
| 16:21.01 | Patlabor221 | and pie |
| 16:21.21 | Patlabor221 | well you probably arn't much into the retal gaming scene then |
| 16:21.25 | bryjen | major credit cards? |
| 16:21.28 | creeperz | Mac users must have had a massive suicide party that day |
| 16:21.33 | Patlabor221 | AMEX only |
| 16:21.35 | creeperz | Or formed the Taliban |
| 16:21.36 | Chestal | no,only thign I play if bzflag (and nethack now and then :-) |
| 16:21.43 | creeperz | :--) |
| 16:21.52 | Patlabor221 | Halo is a FPS |
| 16:22.10 | bryjen | Of course. 'cause nobody else does. so its must be his tool |
| 16:22.13 | JBDiGriz | No, but bungie caught a lot of grief from the Mac users, and the programmers grabbed their money and got out. |
| 16:22.37 | Patlabor221 | a goodly number of devs still work there |
| 16:22.40 | creeperz | :'-( |
| 16:22.46 | Patlabor221 | only 1 guy left at the merger time |
| 16:23.15 | Patlabor221 | bungie didn't have a lot of cash, and halo was going to take a lot to get done. the merger did let them make a great game |
| 16:23.19 | creeperz | Poor Mac users |
| 16:23.23 | JBDiGriz | I had heard that many have left since, but I haven't been following them. |
| 16:23.31 | Patlabor221 | halo will still ship for the mac |
| 16:23.35 | Chestal | my moon clock has gone crazy |
| 16:23.46 | bryjen | sure, evil pays well, if you don't mind that soul thing |
| 16:23.51 | JBDiGriz | Check out the Mac selection of games at MacWorld. It's still an active field. |
| 16:23.53 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 16:24.13 | Patlabor221 | actualy I hear they are fairly atutonomus, and have a lot more resources now |
| 16:24.27 | Nidhoggr | [mandrake@tiamat mandrake]$ /usr/games/pom |
| 16:24.27 | Nidhoggr | The Moon is Waxing Gibbous (89% of Full) |
| 16:24.31 | Patlabor221 | I've meet some of the guys they still seem cool |
| 16:24.55 | creeperz | Nidhoggr: I thought that was waning |
| 16:24.58 | JBDiGriz | A college roommate of mine went to work for the computer devil. He is now retired and working on a PhD. |
| 16:25.05 | Nidhoggr | nope |
| 16:25.15 | Patlabor221 | couple people I know work there |
| 16:25.19 | Patlabor221 | they say it's nice |
| 16:25.35 | Patlabor221 | free food and hooch at the release partys |
| 16:25.36 | Nidhoggr | gibbous describes something between half and full, either waxing or waning. |
| 16:25.37 | JBDiGriz | He claims that he is glad to be out of Redmond. |
| 16:25.48 | Patlabor221 | ahh problably depends on the dept |
| 16:25.50 | creeperz | Anyone been to DigiPen? |
| 16:25.54 | Chestal | moon clock recovered |
| 16:25.59 | Nidhoggr | cool :) |
| 16:26.21 | JBDiGriz | The last project he was on was Outlook. |
| 16:26.51 | Chestal | JBD: any backdoors? :-) |
| 16:26.54 | Patlabor221 | ahhh, well that product does suck. I know people who work on exchange, and XP |
| 16:27.20 | bryjen | Ahh. the MS Virus Delivery System Client |
| 16:27.21 | JBDiGriz | I don't know, I still don't use any M$ products on my home network. |
| 16:29.13 | creeperz | ~seen Noodleman |
| 16:29.14 | | noodleman <~tuckerm@bc183148.bendcable.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 11h 12m 6s ago, saying: 'both ports'. |
| 16:29.37 | Patlabor221 | he was on last night |
| 16:29.50 | creeperz | Darn |
| 16:29.53 | creeperz | :-/ |
| 16:29.56 | Patlabor221 | so send him a mail |
| 16:30.16 | Patlabor221 | the interweb has many forms of comunication |
| 16:30.18 | creeperz | Later |
| 16:30.21 | Patlabor221 | germany |
| 16:30.30 | creeperz | too* |
| 16:30.35 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> I thought it was hawaii |
| 16:30.54 | Patlabor221 | he was for a but, then he went to germany, then austraila, then back to hawaii iirc |
| 16:30.59 | creeperz | Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory looks cool |
| 16:31.23 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221> 'fore I go -- you have an email addy for him? his old one don't work no mo' |
| 16:31.37 | Patlabor221 | there is one on the stats main page, that's all I know |
| 16:31.51 | fiberchunks | yah, that's the one that don't work -- I'll have to quiz the noodle |
| 16:31.56 | doughecka | Patlabor221: heh, quake3 engines require more than my pc can give out :) |
| 16:31.58 | fiberchunks | alrighty -- |
| 16:32.19 | Patlabor221 | BSPs and PVS are not the way to go these days |
| 16:32.34 | Patlabor221 | it can't handle long views |
| 16:32.43 | doughecka | heh, thats so unreal |
| 16:32.51 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* |
| 16:33.19 | creeperz | Patlabor221: XP Pro still going for $91? |
| 16:33.32 | doughecka | the sigh of Patlabor221 does wonders |
| 16:33.41 | Patlabor221 | we sell home for 91 |
| 16:33.49 | Patlabor221 | pro is like 250 |
| 16:33.53 | Patlabor221 | but what do you need pro for? |
| 16:33.59 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you have a domain |
| 16:34.10 | stibnite | My dad says my mother was a pro |
| 16:34.10 | creeperz | Huh? |
| 16:34.15 | creeperz | Oh, creeperz.com |
| 16:34.25 | doughecka | no, like a real domain |
| 16:34.26 | Patlabor221 | the only dif between home and pro is some networking stuff |
| 16:34.46 | Patlabor221 | no like a windows networking domain and a PDC |
| 16:34.53 | creeperz | Oh |
| 16:34.59 | Patlabor221 | you don't need it |
| 16:35.00 | stibnite | but but but it has "Pro" in the name |
| 16:35.00 | doughecka | not a PDC! :) |
| 16:35.09 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se) |
| 16:35.13 | creeperz | I will at SOME time have a network |
| 16:35.23 | creeperz | 10-15 years |
| 16:35.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah, they realy do know how to get the munchies going |
| 16:35.25 | doughecka | home works perfectly fine in a network |
| 16:35.28 | Patlabor221 | you can still have a net with home |
| 16:35.31 | stibnite | if I've learned anything over the years with microsoft software, its that if there is a version of something with "Pro" in the name you HAVE to buy it |
| 16:35.43 | creeperz | G2G work |
| 16:35.45 | Patlabor221 | just a difrent type |
| 16:36.05 | Patlabor221 | heh, home relay isn't that muhc difrent |
| 16:36.12 | JBDiGriz | if I've learned anything over the years with microsoft software, its that its now worth the money spent. |
| 16:36.22 | Patlabor221 | just some installer defatults, and it won't log into a domain |
| 16:36.32 | bryjen | JBDiGriz: now? |
| 16:36.36 | Patlabor221 | he means not |
| 16:36.37 | JBDiGriz | not! |
| 16:36.42 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:36.49 | JBDiGriz | I have to finish that cup of coffee! |
| 16:36.56 | stibnite | haha that was maybe the worst possible typo for that particular statement |
| 16:37.03 | Patlabor221 | you can config home to be the same thing as pro with some tweaks |
| 16:37.15 | bryjen | billg's mind control in the monitor's vertical sync is getting to you |
| 16:37.37 | JBDiGriz | Ever since M$ bought a part of Apple, I have had occasional glitches. |
| 16:38.01 | Patlabor221 | no that's the normal MacOS for ya :) |
| 16:38.08 | stibnite | yah, I developed a nervous twitch |
| 16:38.12 | stibnite | who knew? |
| 16:38.16 | JBDiGriz | What part of MacOS is normal? |
| 16:38.41 | Patlabor221 | none of it, tha'ts the problem |
| 16:38.45 | *** join/#bzflag kunphuzil (~jtmendes@69.10.99.186) |
| 16:38.52 | JBDiGriz | That's the solution! :) |
| 16:40.04 | Nidhoggr | has anyone seen issues on a mac where bzflag won't do the depth and brightness controls, and the sound is choppy/echoey and the play is jerky? |
| 16:40.31 | Patlabor221 | sounds like it's in software |
| 16:40.33 | creeperz | Ahh |
| 16:40.57 | JBDiGriz | What version of bzflag, and MacOS? |
| 16:41.06 | kunphuzil | heh |
| 16:41.41 | Nidhoggr | bzflag built on the mac about a week or so ago with new cvs at the time. is jaguar. |
| 16:41.42 | kunphuzil | Patlabor221: z? |
| 16:41.50 | Nidhoggr | and my vid card is radeon 8500 |
| 16:41.56 | JBDiGriz | Jaguar 10.2.6? |
| 16:42.15 | Nidhoggr | it was current at the time. |
| 16:42.25 | Nidhoggr | installed new security update last nite. |
| 16:42.36 | Nidhoggr | haven't tested it since. |
| 16:42.44 | JBDiGriz | Do you have auto login set? |
| 16:42.52 | Nidhoggr | no |
| 16:42.58 | Nidhoggr | I log in every time. |
| 16:43.15 | Patlabor221 | son-of-a .... can anyone get to bzbb? |
| 16:43.36 | Nidhoggr | pat, I can |
| 16:43.43 | Patlabor221 | hmm ok then it's just me |
| 16:43.47 | Nidhoggr | I've had this problem for a while. |
| 16:44.02 | JBDiGriz | There is a glitch with the new security update, relating to login. If you have a problem with the <cr> click on the login button, but back to bz |
| 16:44.05 | Nidhoggr | first I tried getting it to compile on the mac, thinking that native libraries, etc., might help. |
| 16:44.28 | Nidhoggr | took a while, and had to updated developer tools to december release. |
| 16:44.31 | Nidhoggr | and it compiled fine. |
| 16:44.31 | JBDiGriz | I know there is a problem with enabling lighting in the options. |
| 16:44.56 | Nidhoggr | this greys out contrast, and depth, (I think it's depth) |
| 16:45.10 | creeperz | Out of the entire school year, I got 10 F's |
| 16:45.15 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 16:45.28 | creeperz | I passed too :-/ |
| 16:45.34 | Nidhoggr | wow. |
| 16:45.56 | Patlabor221 | must be a relay great school to let you do that |
| 16:45.59 | JBDiGriz | Are you running other apps (especially network apps) in the background while playing bz? |
| 16:46.10 | creeperz | But if I mess up within the -say first month of 9th- they'll send me back to 8th |
| 16:46.25 | creeperz | And next year I have all computer classes |
| 16:46.29 | Nidhoggr | usually xwindows, but I've tried it without. |
| 16:46.54 | creeperz | And the principal let me go because I got frammed for sexual harassment last year |
| 16:47.01 | creeperz | Off to work I go |
| 16:47.03 | creeperz | See yu |
| 16:47.10 | Nidhoggr | later creeperz |
| 16:47.15 | JBDiGriz | X windows isn't updating usually. I almost always have XDarwin up with several xterms. |
| 16:47.23 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 16:47.41 | Nidhoggr | I have a dual proc G4 500mhz |
| 16:47.44 | Nidhoggr | with a gig of ram |
| 16:48.19 | creeperz | Wait, 11 F's :-) |
| 16:48.26 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 16:48.36 | JBDiGriz | I've had occasional times when lag is bad where it will seem to freeze for a second, similar to the client hangs, but then it recovers. |
| 16:48.44 | creeperz | And 1 A |
| 16:48.46 | Nidhoggr | this is rhythmic |
| 16:49.00 | Nidhoggr | it's not episodic |
| 16:49.08 | JBDiGriz | What sort of network connection? |
| 16:49.11 | Nidhoggr | it's continual, and in a rhythm. |
| 16:49.17 | Nidhoggr | 100mb to switch. |
| 16:49.25 | creeperz | Damn it |
| 16:49.32 | Nidhoggr | switch to cable router |
| 16:49.48 | creeperz | I haven't even started yet and my dad is already taking a break |
| 16:49.51 | JBDiGriz | How many machines are sharing the cable? |
| 16:50.11 | Patlabor221 | how does bandiwth mater with frame rate? |
| 16:50.26 | Nidhoggr | anywhere from 4 to 6, but it's not a bandwidth problem, because I can use my PC fine for bzflag. |
| 16:50.28 | creeperz | Anyone ever see the movie October Sky? |
| 16:50.35 | Nidhoggr | and I could be only person in the house and it'll do it every time. |
| 16:50.56 | Nidhoggr | creeperz, nope. want to though. |
| 16:51.04 | creeperz | Very good movie |
| 16:51.19 | JBDiGriz | Last night, I was seeing a number of lost packets when other people were heavily loading my DSL connection. It made the tanks a little jumpy, although the sound was still smooth. |
| 16:51.52 | Patlabor221 | local movement should be smooth too, it will make the other tanks jump as you get there updates |
| 16:51.54 | Nidhoggr | this is just annoying... you could almost use it as a rhythm track in a very annoying song. :) |
| 16:52.04 | Patlabor221 | but your framerate is allways just you |
| 16:52.15 | Nidhoggr | framerate isn't great. |
| 16:52.19 | Patlabor221 | nid what is your FPS? |
| 16:52.22 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221: Exactly what I was seeing. |
| 16:52.26 | Nidhoggr | my other gl app works great. |
| 16:52.46 | Nidhoggr | I don't remember offhand. I'll have to look when I am home again, but it's not as good as I expected. |
| 16:52.58 | Nidhoggr | my PC frame rate is 180-200ish |
| 16:53.04 | JBDiGriz | Depending on the site, 30-160FPS on a Dual 1G Mac |
| 16:53.37 | creeperz | Someone want to loan me XP for about 15-20 days (time to get here install and send back) for $10? |
| 16:53.45 | Nidhoggr | my other gl app (tranquility) works great for sound and motion. it improved greatly when I installed the new video card. |
| 16:54.08 | Patlabor221 | creeper that is illegal |
| 16:54.12 | Patlabor221 | just go steal it |
| 16:54.25 | creeperz | That's illegal?! |
| 16:54.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah but at least then you just get YOU in trouble and not 2 people :) |
| 16:54.43 | creeperz | This world has gone all to hell :-/ |
| 16:54.56 | creeperz | :-) |
| 16:55.02 | Patlabor221 | you don't OWN any OS, you just license it |
| 16:55.04 | creeperz | I'm a minor. Bring it on! |
| 16:55.24 | JBDiGriz | Get linux, and install it, that's legal. |
| 16:55.27 | Patlabor221 | ohh they are trying minor computer criminals as adults these days |
| 16:55.31 | Patlabor221 | he has linux |
| 16:55.32 | creeperz | I have RHL9.0 |
| 16:55.41 | JBDiGriz | Then forget XP. |
| 16:55.44 | Patlabor221 | you will need more ram for XP anyway |
| 16:55.44 | creeperz | They are?! |
| 16:55.48 | Patlabor221 | just get more RAM |
| 16:55.54 | creeperz | I did |
| 16:55.58 | Nidhoggr | actually, if you are a minor, they'll prosecute your parents. there is a trend of that lately. |
| 16:56.17 | Patlabor221 | how much ram you have now? |
| 16:56.17 | creeperz | Then it took me to the config part and I got lost from there it the OS would never boot |
| 16:56.30 | Patlabor221 | config? for ram? |
| 16:56.38 | Patlabor221 | you just put the ram in and go. |
| 16:56.38 | creeperz | I honestly couldn't tell you |
| 16:56.43 | JBDiGriz | Nidhoggr: When you compile bz, are you using the development or deployment build style? |
| 16:56.45 | Patlabor221 | there is no config |
| 16:56.46 | creeperz | I know |
| 16:57.35 | Patlabor221 | that's the bios |
| 16:57.37 | bryjen | some IBM BIOSes boot to their config on "System Configuration Change"s |
| 16:57.39 | Patlabor221 | you don't need to go there for ram |
| 16:57.40 | creeperz | bios |
| 16:57.44 | creeperz | I know |
| 16:57.53 | Patlabor221 | he's got a compy |
| 16:57.55 | Patlabor221 | F1 |
| 16:57.55 | creeperz | But the OS wouldn't boot up when I put in new RAM |
| 16:57.59 | Nidhoggr | I've used the standard build. |
| 16:58.05 | Patlabor221 | then your ram is not the right kind |
| 16:58.10 | Patlabor221 | no setting will change that |
| 16:58.19 | creeperz | I know this |
| 16:58.20 | bryjen | Perhaps if your RAM decreased, its a warning somebody raided you box. |
| 16:58.33 | bryjen | ;) |
| 16:58.37 | Patlabor221 | does it beep a lot? |
| 16:58.38 | JBDiGriz | I think the project checked in was development, but it hasn't made that significant a difference for me. |
| 16:58.54 | creeperz | I don't remember |
| 16:59.11 | Nidhoggr | and compiled whatever is default |
| 16:59.35 | Patlabor221 | well perhaps you should try, and not just sluf it. |
| 16:59.47 | creeperz | Try what? |
| 16:59.54 | Patlabor221 | to find out what is wrong |
| 17:00.02 | Patlabor221 | remember stuff, all that |
| 17:00.02 | creeperz | I am |
| 17:00.12 | Nidhoggr | maybe it's a glx thing |
| 17:00.12 | creeperz | Ok |
| 17:00.15 | Patlabor221 | what kind of ram did you get? |
| 17:00.19 | creeperz | I don't remember any beeping |
| 17:00.20 | JBDiGriz | I'll have to try running the latest on an older imac, and see if I can get your symptoms. Which map/site were you running? |
| 17:00.29 | creeperz | I don't know |
| 17:00.37 | Nidhoggr | it doesn't matter. any will do it. try secretplace. |
| 17:00.42 | Nidhoggr | since that's my server, and where I usually go. |
| 17:00.48 | creeperz | The guy told me to get some numbers off of my comp and he'd get the right kind |
| 17:00.55 | JBDiGriz | I'll try it tonight, and let you know what I see. |
| 17:01.00 | Nidhoggr | cool thanks |
| 17:01.20 | Patlabor221 | creeper perhaps you should ask what he was geting you, and not just follow blindly |
| 17:01.26 | Nidhoggr | I suppose I could open a ticket with ATI, but that wouldn't explain the sound issues. |
| 17:01.34 | creeperz | Yea |
| 17:02.21 | Nidhoggr | and ATI support is really difficult. |
| 17:02.38 | Patlabor221 | as are most things ATI |
| 17:02.40 | Nidhoggr | you have to generate a huge report/profile from your machine. |
| 17:02.53 | Nidhoggr | I'd get a different video card if I thought it'd make a difference. |
| 17:03.27 | Patlabor221 | sucks that a mac can't use a normal GF card |
| 17:03.35 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 17:03.38 | Patlabor221 | then you could just pop one in for a test |
| 17:03.41 | Nidhoggr | gotta have the boot prom on it. |
| 17:03.45 | Patlabor221 | but then they have to "think difrent" |
| 17:03.54 | Nidhoggr | REEEEEEAL DIFFERNT |
| 17:04.02 | Patlabor221 | dosn't mater if it's bad, just as long as its difrent. |
| 17:04.28 | Nidhoggr | that's my roommate's joke... he made a sign with the little rainbow apple and put "Think Different - REAL Different" on it. |
| 17:04.53 | Nidhoggr | he is full of "The Funny" |
| 17:05.05 | Nidhoggr | he almost ended up on Who's Line. |
| 17:05.37 | Nidhoggr | I guess that's why we've been together for 16 years now. I'm a softy for "The Funny" |
| 17:05.56 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 17:06.07 | Nidhoggr | I don't know a funnier person. |
| 17:06.26 | Nidhoggr | except he has a hernia right now, so his funny level is down a bit. |
| 17:06.27 | Nidhoggr | :( |
| 17:07.40 | Nidhoggr | when I get home, I'll post my mac issues as a bug on sourceforge. |
| 17:07.43 | creeperz | Haha that's funny :-) |
| 17:07.47 | creeperz | Just kidding |
| 17:07.57 | Nidhoggr | gotta make sure I have all the right info before I post. |
| 17:10.02 | Patlabor221 | hah, give people a hint and the take off running, when the answer is right next to where they started, humans are so silly. |
| 17:10.10 | Nidhoggr | hrm. maybe I'll download the newest cvs and rebuild. looks like one of the bugs was fixed in a recent build. |
| 17:10.51 | Nidhoggr | patlabor.. that's the lesson of all the "quest for the Grail" legends, is that is is always found right where you started. |
| 17:11.04 | *** join/#bzflag iLLf8d (~neener@user-0can1b0.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 17:11.10 | Patlabor221 | why would you want to waste all the money? |
| 17:11.19 | JBDiGriz | Which bug are you looking at? |
| 17:11.37 | creeperz | Not a single clue, Patlabor221 |
| 17:11.49 | Patlabor221 | tho its funny what derv digs up, I haven't done most of those things ina while, and my real name is at the bottom of every page. |
| 17:11.49 | creeperz | You only live once |
| 17:12.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah but why not use the money for something else, so you can have more toys |
| 17:12.28 | Patlabor221 | alien ware machines arn't faster, they just cost more. |
| 17:12.32 | JBDiGriz | Your name is easy to find, along with the rest of the info from derv. Now if he had found a pic, I would have been a little more impressed. :) |
| 17:12.54 | Patlabor221 | there is a pic up, in a place everyone should know |
| 17:13.07 | Patlabor221 | like I say "closer then he thinks" |
| 17:13.24 | JBDiGriz | I haven't gone looking, but when I saw the comment, I was sure I should start at centrum. |
| 17:13.42 | Patlabor221 | centrum dosn't have personel pictures |
| 17:14.05 | creeperz | Although this idiot kid was told how "cool" and "gamey" they were, then I told him I was buying a new computer |
| 17:14.06 | Patlabor221 | tho noone ever looks up |
| 17:14.35 | creeperz | HE asked me if I was getting an AlienWare, I told him "No, I'm getting an Ultra" then he called me an idiot :-) |
| 17:14.49 | Patlabor221 | wtf is an "ultra"? |
| 17:15.10 | Patlabor221 | we are gonna have a single p4 1.8 soon for like 400$ |
| 17:15.13 | creeperz | They making the Motherboards for Dell and Gateway, I think |
| 17:15.26 | creeperz | I know |
| 17:15.30 | Patlabor221 | how much and what speed? |
| 17:15.37 | creeperz | But my dad is making me get this one :-( |
| 17:15.57 | Patlabor221 | we have system configurators online |
| 17:16.00 | creeperz | 80G HD |
| 17:16.13 | Patlabor221 | the pages have been all redone, we sell a lot more then we used to. |
| 17:16.23 | creeperz | 256MB DDR |
| 17:16.23 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221 : I don't think those are your pigtails! :) |
| 17:16.35 | Patlabor221 | pigtails? |
| 17:16.49 | creeperz | GF4 MX440 |
| 17:16.59 | Patlabor221 | what CPU? |
| 17:17.39 | Nidhoggr | it's easy to find pics of me online. some are even kinda recent. |
| 17:17.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:18.12 | creeperz | P4 1.8GHZ 512K 400FSB |
| 17:18.51 | Patlabor221 | monitor? |
| 17:19.09 | creeperz | 17" LCD Flatscreen |
| 17:19.16 | doughecka | price? |
| 17:19.22 | creeperz | 1500 |
| 17:19.31 | Patlabor221 | we have Price: $1,166.04 |
| 17:19.32 | doughecka | ugh |
| 17:19.35 | Patlabor221 | for the same system |
| 17:19.40 | creeperz | CD-RW and DVD-ROM |
| 17:19.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:20.13 | creeperz | Yea |
| 17:20.22 | creeperz | But this comes with XP-Pro |
| 17:20.36 | creeperz | And an anti-virus |
| 17:20.37 | Patlabor221 | so does this |
| 17:20.42 | Patlabor221 | well XP home |
| 17:20.47 | Patlabor221 | it's Price: $1,016.61 |
| 17:20.53 | doughecka | you dont need pro |
| 17:21.01 | stibnite | omg |
| 17:21.04 | Patlabor221 | with a 19" CRT, a GF FX, and 512 megs of ram |
| 17:21.04 | stibnite | full circle |
| 17:21.11 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:21.13 | creeperz | Some new anti-virus that don't charge for updates ;-) |
| 17:21.14 | doughecka | amazing aint it? |
| 17:21.31 | Patlabor221 | pro has no virus stuff in it |
| 17:21.46 | creeperz | They install it |
| 17:21.55 | creeperz | Ultra does |
| 17:21.55 | Patlabor221 | whopty freakin doo |
| 17:21.56 | doughecka | antivirus-smirus, just dont doownload any old file off the net :P |
| 17:22.07 | stibnite | pfft |
| 17:22.11 | Patlabor221 | is that worhh 400$ for you? |
| 17:22.15 | stibnite | that would separate me from my goat pr0n |
| 17:22.24 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:22.31 | stibnite | NOW we've come full circle |
| 17:22.32 | Patlabor221 | creeper just show him |
| 17:22.32 | Patlabor221 | www.rgpsales.com |
| 17:22.33 | bryjen | doughecka: or open your email |
| 17:22.35 | stibnite | ok, self-exile |
| 17:22.53 | Patlabor221 | you can configure the systems and see what it costs |
| 17:23.00 | doughecka | mym ISP renames all attachments with .exe, etc to .dayt |
| 17:23.04 | doughecka | or ~exe |
| 17:23.18 | Patlabor221 | we sell pro for 150 |
| 17:23.26 | creeperz | S&H costs money |
| 17:23.43 | Patlabor221 | yes but not more then 40 or 50 |
| 17:23.49 | Patlabor221 | we are reasonable on the shiping |
| 17:23.54 | bryjen | script code in html formatted email isnt an attachment |
| 17:23.54 | creeperz | Wow |
| 17:24.13 | doughecka | I use opera :P |
| 17:27.02 | fiberchunks | heya devs -- does the client debug mode make your client(s) jumpy? |
| 17:27.09 | creeperz | I am confused and frustrated beyond no end |
| 17:27.16 | creeperz | I don't know which I want |
| 17:27.21 | fiberchunks | lagstats reported, on average 130 ms or so -- yet a couple ppl reported me as 'jumpy' |
| 17:27.32 | Patlabor221 | it should just dump to stdio |
| 17:27.40 | bryjen | fiberchunks: too much caffiene ;) |
| 17:27.48 | fiberchunks | hrm... |
| 17:27.49 | doughecka | creeperz: if you buy Patlabor221's puter, you have tech support (sorta) :P |
| 17:28.03 | fiberchunks | anyone wanna fill me in on how to make a 'clean' client? |
| 17:28.04 | creeperz | So does this :-) |
| 17:28.06 | Patlabor221 | actulay we offer support for hardware yes |
| 17:28.08 | creeperz | (kinda) |
| 17:28.11 | fiberchunks | with this new build? |
| 17:28.13 | Patlabor221 | not OS support but hardware support |
| 17:28.31 | creeperz | Forums and I have him right here :-) |
| 17:28.35 | Patlabor221 | I think it's just make clean |
| 17:28.35 | JBDiGriz | fiberchunks: Was anyone losing packets? |
| 17:28.40 | creeperz | You do tech support, Patlabor221? |
| 17:28.45 | Patlabor221 | not any more |
| 17:28.49 | fiberchunks | didn't look that way no, griz |
| 17:28.51 | creeperz | :-) |
| 17:29.17 | fiberchunks | can I just ./configure; make clean; make -- to try with the vanilla, non-debug client? |
| 17:29.23 | creeperz | Go to www.funnyjunk.com and look for something on the right hand colomn about tech support |
| 17:30.09 | fiberchunks | well, lemme see if using the 'clean' client helps things out |
| 17:30.35 | bryjen | ./configure --disable-debug , but that might be the default |
| 17:30.45 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 17:38.55 | creeperz | http://www.funnyjunk.com/joke.php?d=1358 |
| 17:39.05 | bryjen | Chestal: the change to the password on-disk format doesn't break already created password files? |
| 17:39.31 | Patlabor221 | no he asumes if it's a password that does not have 32 characters it isnt' hashed |
| 17:39.33 | Patlabor221 | and hashes it |
| 17:39.47 | Patlabor221 | he's smart |
| 17:39.56 | bryjen | hashes are exactly 32 chars ? |
| 17:39.57 | fiberchunks | mkay -- is there someone in here, that doesn't suffer from packet lossage, who will join a server and see if my client looks alright please? |
| 17:40.25 | JBDiGriz | md5 hashes are exactly 32 chars |
| 17:41.14 | bryjen | ah. and its doubtfull any normal human bein' would create a 32 char password. Quite crafty this mole. |
| 17:42.06 | JBDiGriz | I wonder if we should have added a couple of type bytes to the beginning of the file? |
| 17:42.52 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 17:42.56 | Patlabor221 | not many people have it running now |
| 17:43.02 | Patlabor221 | it' sjust for those 5 people |
| 17:43.30 | JBDiGriz | It makes determination of what the file is a little easier, so we can change the format in the future if any need arises. |
| 17:43.57 | Patlabor221 | in the future it iwll be a database |
| 17:44.07 | Patlabor221 | this is realy just a temporary solution. |
| 17:44.24 | bryjen | remember the rads to degs world file switch? |
| 17:44.29 | JBDiGriz | and it will change RSN! :) |
| 17:44.42 | Patlabor221 | well the world format was lame |
| 17:44.49 | Patlabor221 | is lame |
| 17:45.50 | Patlabor221 | the lack of a tag, can be considerd a tag :) |
| 17:46.14 | JBDiGriz | Yes, but we have two formats with that tag :) |
| 17:46.34 | Patlabor221 | yes but there are only maybe 5 databases like that |
| 17:46.41 | Patlabor221 | I don't think it's worth it to change it again |
| 17:47.09 | Patlabor221 | the thing that sucks now is there is no way for someone to reset a password |
| 17:47.09 | JBDiGriz | Probably not, but I was just thinking out loud. |
| 17:47.31 | Patlabor221 | unless they have a MD5 hash for a known password |
| 17:47.51 | bryjen | needs a /setpass "USER" password |
| 17:47.57 | Patlabor221 | yes it does |
| 17:48.14 | Patlabor221 | I never got to that part tho |
| 17:48.28 | *** join/#bzflag trepan (~trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 17:49.01 | JBDiGriz | So the sequence is /identify <password>, /setpass <new password>? |
| 17:49.08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:49.37 | JBDiGriz | That's typically the right sequence, and anything else requires admin intervention in most systems. |
| 17:49.43 | bzgirl | in the future will it be possible to maintain one set of db files for say 3 cuncurrent servers? |
| 17:49.49 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:50.02 | Patlabor221 | tho tim wants to put it into the list server |
| 17:50.09 | Patlabor221 | and I think that is a poor place for it |
| 17:50.19 | bzgirl | a central db? |
| 17:50.22 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:50.25 | bzgirl | hmm |
| 17:50.44 | bzgirl | what if it goes offline for an hour or more? |
| 17:50.50 | Patlabor221 | I don't mind him providing a centeral DB that people can use, but they should also be able to use there own |
| 17:51.06 | Patlabor221 | say if you wanted multiple leauges with difrent databases |
| 17:51.08 | creeperz | Patlabor221: You read the one about the melted butter |
| 17:51.15 | Patlabor221 | yes creeper |
| 17:51.38 | bryjen | bzgirl: you could still play, just not as a recognized user. no special rights |
| 17:52.00 | Patlabor221 | I could see somone wanting a invite only leauge, but if you tie it to a list server, then you have to have your own list server as well |
| 17:52.29 | Patlabor221 | then noone sees your servers |
| 17:52.52 | bryjen | the code actually has provisions for multiple list servers. I brought it up before, but nobody seemed to interested. |
| 17:53.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah but still, why should someone have to know what list server your server uses just to get the userdatabase |
| 17:53.20 | Patlabor221 | that should all be transperant |
| 17:53.24 | Patlabor221 | and up to each server |
| 17:54.05 | Patlabor221 | I would like to see it where each server could specify what "type" of server it is, and have the server list group them by type |
| 17:54.18 | Patlabor221 | so you could have all CTF games, all leauge games, all Team DM, ect... |
| 17:54.36 | bryjen | why would someone need to get the database? the server knows what list its using, and its talking to that server for auth too. |
| 17:55.22 | Patlabor221 | well if a server could list with multiple list servers thats would make it work |
| 17:55.29 | Patlabor221 | but it seems like the wrong way to do it |
| 17:55.31 | bryjen | It can. take a look. |
| 17:55.48 | Patlabor221 | and I think that would be a good thing anyway to have multiple servers |
| 17:56.12 | Patlabor221 | but I just don't see how list server and password server are related, it would only be for convinience. |
| 17:56.45 | Patlabor221 | I think the entire "loby" section of BZ needs to be re-evaluated |
| 17:56.57 | Patlabor221 | to provide some leauge manangment, and better matchmaking. |
| 17:56.58 | bryjen | yeah. outside of the "lists" description. Lists of servers, Lists of Users... |
| 17:57.16 | creeperz_work | In BZFlag, there should be a part in bzfs for auto-admin for certain IP's |
| 17:57.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I mean sure you could run them on the same machine if you wanted to provide them as a default service |
| 17:57.24 | bryjen | Eeeep. Its becoming Active Directory! ;) |
| 17:58.00 | Patlabor221 | it is very similar to that, it checks a centarl server, and also checks your subnet |
| 17:58.27 | Patlabor221 | I can imagne that is a common operation of most file shareing systems too |
| 17:58.46 | Patlabor221 | creeper, that is handled by the new login stuff |
| 17:58.55 | Patlabor221 | onece you identify you get your permisions |
| 17:58.58 | Patlabor221 | no more /password |
| 17:59.04 | bryjen | It still multi/broad-casts for server on the local subnet? I thought that was ripped out. |
| 17:59.05 | creeperz_work | Great |
| 17:59.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah it looks for lan hosts |
| 17:59.36 | bryjen | Or was that just the multicast between clients? |
| 17:59.45 | Patlabor221 | cus you can run non public servers and they show on the subnet |
| 17:59.50 | Patlabor221 | I think just the client thing was pulled |
| 18:00.02 | Patlabor221 | I don't see how you could remove the server subnet scan |
| 18:00.10 | bryjen | Ah. That near MS moment had me confused. |
| 18:00.14 | Patlabor221 | then lan games would have to use a list serv |
| 18:00.32 | Chestal | hmm, mabye a read-only option for the user/admin stuff would be good |
| 18:00.42 | Chestal | that way, sahring a password file is less hassle |
| 18:00.54 | Chestal | all changes would have to be done on one of the servers |
| 18:00.56 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean read only? |
| 18:01.05 | Nidhoggr | multicast has really dropped in usage all over the net lately. |
| 18:01.09 | Chestal | say, I have three servers sharing user base |
| 18:01.13 | bryjen | Single Master updates. |
| 18:01.13 | Chestal | one has full acess |
| 18:01.17 | Nidhoggr | a multicast server would be really awesome, though. |
| 18:01.24 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 18:01.25 | Patlabor221 | I get it |
| 18:01.26 | Chestal | the other are slaves, and neither /register nor /setgroup etc. work on those |
| 18:01.39 | Patlabor221 | would be wierd, but I could see it as being easy |
| 18:01.52 | Patlabor221 | woudl be REALY easy to set up |
| 18:01.59 | Chestal | the commands that don't work on the slaves should then give a helpful message |
| 18:02.01 | Patlabor221 | confusing for the end user |
| 18:02.02 | creeperz_lunch | Maybe have bzflag interact with the league site more |
| 18:02.02 | bryjen | Nidhoggr: not enough support for multicasting configured into routers on the public net i believe |
| 18:02.03 | Nidhoggr | yeah.. I really want to centralize my servers but not necessarily share my userbase with other servers. |
| 18:02.14 | Nidhoggr | true, bryjen |
| 18:02.18 | creeperz_lunch | maybe do invites right from the client |
| 18:02.41 | creeperz_lunch | Then accepts or declines from the client' |
| 18:03.13 | Chestal | crepper: in a future version, there could be more itneraction between the bzflag client and some sites |
| 18:03.26 | creeperz_lunch | Great |
| 18:03.29 | Chestal | for example, we might have a central player registry, this could be accessed by websites and the clients |
| 18:03.35 | Chestal | all vague ideas for now, though |
| 18:03.36 | bryjen | Patlabor221 & Chestal : maybe that helpful message says "/setpass doesn't work from here: go to foo.bar.com instead" |
| 18:03.37 | Nidhoggr | I need to start using the admin functions on secretplace, when I can find time where I can restart it. |
| 18:04.11 | Patlabor221 | well a better way would be a seperate server for each, so you could share what you want. |
| 18:05.15 | creeperz_lunch | Maybe have a kinda of a chat room when you go to join server then the people there on the right and a server list that refreshes every 10 secs (?) above the chat fields |
| 18:05.25 | Patlabor221 | that's called a loby creeper |
| 18:05.33 | creeperz_lunch | lobby! There we go! |
| 18:05.33 | Patlabor221 | but that's not part of the admin thing |
| 18:05.34 | bryjen | lobby |
| 18:05.46 | Patlabor221 | and what would be a bit later |
| 18:05.58 | creeperz_lunch | I know this |
| 18:06.04 | creeperz_lunch | I'm just brainstorming |
| 18:06.10 | Chestal | uh, my hd is almost full |
| 18:06.25 | Patlabor221 | we sell new ones :) |
| 18:06.29 | creeperz_lunch | You and me both, brudda |
| 18:06.42 | Patlabor221 | yes but chestals is filled with work :) |
| 18:06.58 | bryjen | and password databases ;) |
| 18:07.05 | Patlabor221 | and pr0n |
| 18:07.09 | Chestal | Patlabor: sure, 80GB of source code I wrote myself ;-) |
| 18:07.14 | creeperz_lunch | Chestal |
| 18:07.16 | creeperz_lunch | :-) |
| 18:07.17 | Patlabor221 | see you are the man |
| 18:07.28 | doughecka | every revision |
| 18:08.04 | Patlabor221 | segate 7200 rom 120 gig drive 108$ |
| 18:08.28 | creeperz | See yu |
| 18:08.30 | Patlabor221 | that seems the best bang for buck |
| 18:08.39 | doughecka | yea |
| 18:08.47 | Patlabor221 | sorrs samsung |
| 18:08.50 | Patlabor221 | not segate |
| 18:08.54 | bryjen | rom? |
| 18:08.57 | doughecka | ugh |
| 18:09.00 | Patlabor221 | rpm |
| 18:09.01 | Patlabor221 | my bad |
| 18:09.24 | bryjen | got some wom disks too ? |
| 18:09.28 | creeperz | Screw work- I'm makin' Cheese cake |
| 18:09.40 | Patlabor221 | the WD 250 gig is only 361$ |
| 18:10.28 | bryjen | What's the home user supposed to use to back up these monsters? |
| 18:10.30 | Patlabor221 | we had some DVD RAM dives at one point, they were like WROMS |
| 18:11.10 | bryjen | no R - Write Only Memory. Youre thinking WORMS Write Once, Read Many |
| 18:11.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah sorry |
| 18:11.27 | Patlabor221 | tho these were eraseable |
| 18:11.30 | Patlabor221 | just REALY slow |
| 18:12.05 | bryjen | DVD RAM is supposed to by like huge f-in' floppies, random access. |
| 18:12.23 | Nidhoggr | really? |
| 18:12.25 | bryjen | or f-ni' huge floppies. whatever. |
| 18:12.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah they kinda worked like that |
| 18:12.37 | Patlabor221 | tho you had to get funky drivers |
| 18:12.44 | Patlabor221 | like 2.something gigs a side |
| 18:12.45 | bryjen | yup |
| 18:12.46 | Patlabor221 | and SLOW |
| 18:13.00 | bryjen | didn't I say like floppies ? ;) |
| 18:13.15 | creeperz | Play that funky music, drivers? |
| 18:13.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah they were in perma-cadys like old MO disks |
| 18:13.47 | Chestal | hmm, somethign is wrong with my user fule |
| 18:13.51 | Chestal | file, even |
| 18:14.04 | Patlabor221 | have you hand tweaked it? |
| 18:14.14 | bryjen | was correct first time. users is fules. |
| 18:14.31 | creeperz | Where can I find a good, cheap, reliable ZIP drive? |
| 18:14.46 | Patlabor221 | if you hand tweak it, don't remove the 2 blank lines after each user |
| 18:14.54 | Patlabor221 | crepper zip drives arn't relyable |
| 18:15.10 | creeperz | They aren't? |
| 18:15.11 | Chestal | Im not sure what happened |
| 18:15.21 | Chestal | the passwd fiel contains all users, bu tthe users file stops after about 40% |
| 18:15.30 | Patlabor221 | no es queno |
| 18:15.36 | Chestal | I just changed somethign, so bzfs wrote the files again, looks the same |
| 18:15.50 | Patlabor221 | each user shold have 4 lines, username, groups, explicid allows, explicid denys |
| 18:16.21 | Chestal | they have |
| 18:16.25 | Chestal | but 60% of the users are missing |
| 18:16.28 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 18:16.30 | Chestal | it goes up to 'Freebeer' |
| 18:16.32 | Chestal | yep |
| 18:16.52 | Patlabor221 | I don't know you guys made it that stream stuff, so I am never sure fo that. |
| 18:17.01 | bryjen | after Freebeer, what more do you need? |
| 18:17.30 | Chestal | hm, I coudl check with 'showgroup' whether it still knows about the other users |
| 18:17.32 | creeperz | Freevodka? |
| 18:20.14 | Chestal | Pat: I probably added an extra newlien after the free beer and did a /reload, not sure |
| 18:20.22 | Chestal | ah, beer is ok |
| 18:20.30 | Chestal | I bough ta new brand some days ago, it's tasty |
| 18:20.41 | bzgirl | beer makes your tummy chubby |
| 18:20.46 | creeperz | Mike's Hard Lemonade is better ;-) |
| 18:20.56 | doughecka | I never drink anything that cars can run off of |
| 18:21.05 | creeperz | Heh |
| 18:21.16 | creeperz | Water? |
| 18:21.27 | doughecka | do cars run off water? |
| 18:21.36 | creeperz | Not water per se |
| 18:21.39 | bryjen | do cars run off beer? |
| 18:21.46 | doughecka | alcohol |
| 18:21.47 | creeperz | Alcohol |
| 18:22.06 | creeperz | But beer is mostly water anyway |
| 18:22.14 | bryjen | most drinks are. |
| 18:22.15 | doughecka | so they tell you |
| 18:22.22 | creeperz | It's only usually 46% alcohol, anyway |
| 18:22.31 | bryjen | uh no |
| 18:22.42 | *** join/#bzflag kunphuzil (~jtmendes@69.10.99.186) |
| 18:22.50 | creeperz | Everclear :-) |
| 18:23.01 | creeperz | 99.9% |
| 18:23.09 | Patlabor221 | beer is uslualy like 8-12 |
| 18:23.33 | creeperz | I thought beer was more up in 16-20 |
| 18:23.46 | Patlabor221 | well old skunky beer maybe |
| 18:23.52 | creeperz | :-) |
| 18:24.31 | creeperz | ~seen captain_proton |
| 18:24.31 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui (20h 15m 56s) #bzflag (20h 15m 56s). Has said a total of 125 messages. Is idling for 11h 44m 30s |
| 18:24.54 | creeperz | He's quiet |
| 18:25.04 | Patlabor221 | he's problaby working |
| 18:25.12 | creeperz | For 11 hours? |
| 18:25.18 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:25.27 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't use that nick at work |
| 18:25.32 | Patlabor221 | or he's sleep |
| 18:25.37 | Patlabor221 | or just out |
| 18:25.37 | creeperz | ~seen prot-work |
| 18:25.38 | | prot-work is currently on #picogui (20h 17m 3s) #bzflag (20h 17m 3s). Has said a total of 25 messages. Is idling for 3h 16m 58s |
| 18:25.40 | creeperz | Yes |
| 18:27.56 | creeperz | Hmm |
| 18:28.16 | creeperz | I'm must be one of the brighter people |
| 18:28.32 | creeperz | Optical mouse and a mouse pad |
| 18:30.23 | doughecka | whats a mouse pad? |
| 18:31.31 | creeperz | "check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo"? |
| 18:32.27 | doughecka | Check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo. |
| 18:32.39 | Chestal | ~crs |
| 18:32.39 | Noodlebot | crs is in the credits for "finding nemo"? |
| 18:32.47 | doughecka | heh |
| 18:32.54 | doughecka | ~crs32 |
| 18:33.00 | doughecka | hrm, whats the number? |
| 18:33.02 | creeperz | Why is crs in the credits for "finding nemo"? |
| 18:33.08 | Chestal | ibot, crs? |
| 18:33.08 | | Chestal: are you using Windows? |
| 18:33.08 | doughecka | he works at pixar |
| 18:33.14 | creeperz | Seriously? |
| 18:33.18 | doughecka | yep |
| 18:33.19 | Chestal | ibot: are you dumb? |
| 18:33.20 | | Chestal: no idea |
| 18:33.24 | creeperz | :-) |
| 18:33.27 | creeperz | ~botsmack |
| 18:33.28 | | sure, wanna snort some with me? |
| 18:33.35 | doughecka | ~cookie |
| 18:34.21 | Chestal | uhuh, autoconf or somethign is giving me warnings |
| 18:34.51 | doughecka | all I've heard about autoconf is complaining :) |
| 18:35.09 | Chestal | it says I shouldn't be using auxiliary file like acconfig.h, I guess this 'bug |
| 18:35.12 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:35.19 | *** join/#bzflag Noodlebot (~noodlebot@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 18:39.02 | doughecka | huuh, my keybartd is freaking ut |
| 18:39.18 | doughecka | my o key wont wrk |
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| 18:39.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 18:52.28 | hardwire | lots oh ops in here. |
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| 19:08.15 | Noodleman | m00f0r0z |
| 19:08.31 | creeperz | 1 manifold on |
| 19:08.42 | creeperz | l33t cow? :-) |
| 19:09.05 | creeperz | Where yu been? |
| 19:18.07 | fiberchunks | Noodleman> any word from Jzaun? |
| 19:18.25 | Noodleman | nope, haven't heard hide nor hair of him :-( |
| 19:19.00 | fiberchunks | phoot |
| 19:24.58 | JBDiGriz | It's been quiet in here since I went for lunch. |
| 19:34.12 | captain_proton | Chestal: acconfig.h is necessary for support of older autoconfs |
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| 19:36.58 | Chestal | hmm, autoheader -W none has no effect |
| 19:37.30 | Chestal | tha tis, it seems to ignore the -W none, strange |
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| 19:49.07 | creeperz | I have never EVER seen my dad this discouraged |
| 19:49.24 | creeperz | #BZFlag,#Noodlebot Test |
| 19:49.31 | creeperz | Darn :-) |
| 19:49.49 | fiberchunks | jeezus - spiff maps really drag down fps: 'old turkey map' == 150 fps or so on average, 'new turkey map' == 60-70 or so, on average :\ |
| 19:50.22 | captain_proton | spiff maps piss me off |
| 19:50.24 | creeperz | What the hell kind of a video card you have, anyway?! |
| 19:50.28 | captain_proton | this isn't a game of hide & seek |
| 19:50.51 | captain_proton | even the old "complicated" gerbil maps couldn't compare |
| 19:50.54 | captain_proton | eg. ballpark |
| 19:50.54 | fiberchunks | ti 4600 |
| 19:50.56 | creeperz | 20-40 FPS on any map :-) |
| 19:51.12 | creeperz | I like Spiff's maps, actually |
| 19:51.25 | fiberchunks | heh, I don't have a prob with the principle of them -- I don't like how bad they cruft up my video though |
| 19:51.26 | creeperz | But that's my opinion |
| 19:51.41 | Nidhoggr | people keep saying that secretplace is too complicated for their vid cards. |
| 19:51.49 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 19:51.49 | Nidhoggr | slows them down. |
| 19:52.02 | Nidhoggr | I never had that |
| 19:52.17 | creeperz | Spiffs' maps are complex and full of action |
| 19:52.28 | creeperz | Spiff's* |
| 19:52.51 | bryjen | Does the "world" item in the world files not actually do anything? I'd read about it somewheres, but when I tried to use it.... nada. |
| 19:53.29 | fiberchunks | Nidhoggr> lowest on that one is 97 -- I'm happy ;) |
| 19:56.03 | captain_proton | well |
| 19:56.13 | captain_proton | if you consider searching for an ST player who's hiding "action" |
| 19:56.22 | captain_proton | bryjen: doesn't do anything at the moment |
| 19:56.37 | captain_proton | bryjen: afaict, it was intended to change the dimensions of the world |
| 19:56.42 | bryjen | looks like I should be able to change the size of the map..... |
| 19:57.00 | Patlabor221 | oooohhh the old map changein thing |
| 19:57.08 | Patlabor221 | that "sorta" works |
| 19:57.43 | bryjen | hmmm, no X Y Z, just one number that gets used as length and width.... |
| 19:57.57 | captain_proton | and it doesn't work at all :) |
| 19:58.12 | bryjen | captain_proton: so I noticed |
| 19:58.37 | Patlabor221 | it's not |
| 19:58.48 | Patlabor221 | but what is sent is a larger "wall" object |
| 19:58.54 | Patlabor221 | so it looks like it works |
| 19:58.58 | Patlabor221 | cus the walls are big |
| 19:59.11 | Patlabor221 | but nothing will spawn outside the +-400 range |
| 19:59.39 | JBDiGriz | Nidhoggr: Just for kicks, I tried the latest client on my ibook connecting to secretplace, 3FPS! :) |
| 19:59.41 | captain_proton | the wall object is sent |
| 19:59.47 | captain_proton | but there are hardcoded values used elsewhere |
| 19:59.50 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:01.04 | bryjen | I added world size 1600 end to one of my existing files just for kicks. Didn't look like anything changed. |
| 20:01.18 | Patlabor221 | it won't |
| 20:01.24 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't read it from the file |
| 20:01.30 | Patlabor221 | you have to hack the server to get it to work |
| 20:01.38 | Patlabor221 | it looks like it does, but it dosn't |
| 20:02.09 | Patlabor221 | if you change the constant onthe server, it will send the new wall size to the client as a wall object ( just don't make it smaller ). |
| 20:02.24 | bryjen | Hrrh? I'm not much on C++ but it looked like there was code for it in the server. |
| 20:02.42 | Patlabor221 | there is the start of iut |
| 20:02.45 | Patlabor221 | it was never finished |
| 20:02.54 | Patlabor221 | so it reads it but never sets the right variable |
| 20:03.36 | bryjen | I didn't read too far into the code. I thought I'd seen it in some *gasp* documentation somewheres |
| 20:04.17 | Patlabor221 | well it was never completed |
| 20:04.27 | bryjen | Meebee whoever started stubbing it in has commented on it before they were done |
| 20:04.50 | bryjen | s/has/had |
| 20:05.34 | bryjen | The current size seems to work Ok anyway |
| 20:12.54 | tvl | ibot, forget towers |
| 20:12.54 | | tvl: i forgot towers |
| 20:12.54 | tvl | forget towers, ibot |
| 20:12.54 | tvl | ibot! |
| 20:13.24 | larsl | ibot forget towers |
| 20:13.24 | | i didn't have anything called 'towers', larsl |
| 20:13.39 | creeperz | <ibot> tvl: i forgot towers |
| 20:14.12 | creeperz | ~towers |
| 20:14.31 | larsl | ibot, towers is down for hardware tests |
| 20:14.32 | | larsl: okay |
| 20:14.43 | creeperz | ~towers |
| 20:14.43 | | it has been said that towers is down for hardware tests |
| 20:15.13 | larsl | And since 'towers' is my gateway... |
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| 20:28.32 | creeperz | IT'S QUIET |
| 20:29.34 | Patlabor221 | so |
| 20:29.40 | captain_proton | SO? |
| 20:29.53 | creeperz | Noooo |
| 20:29.56 | creeperz | That's ok :-) |
| 20:30.14 | JBDiGriz | Patlabor221 should wash his face ;-) |
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| 20:38.01 | Patlabor221 | I love it when the router freaks |
| 20:39.18 | JBDiGriz | I hate it when the router freaks, and I'm offsite! |
| 20:41.18 | Noodleman | is sourceforge screwed up? |
| 20:41.42 | Noodleman | cvs [checkout aborted]: recv() from server cvs.sourceforge.net: EOF |
| 20:41.42 | JBDiGriz | It's slow, I managed to update sources after 10 tries |
| 20:41.58 | Noodleman | now it works |
| 20:42.00 | Noodleman | weird |
| 20:42.26 | Patlabor221 | perhaps they have too much funkitiude |
| 20:47.35 | Nidhoggr | so far over 24 hours with no SB SP |
| 20:47.46 | Nidhoggr | or his other bad callsign |
| 20:49.29 | JBDiGriz | Nidhoggr: There you are, I tried the latest client on my ibook connected to secretplace. There's definitely a weird rhythm to the sound, and frame rate was 3FPS! |
| 20:51.21 | Nidhoggr | wow |
| 20:51.31 | creeperz | :-) |
| 20:51.42 | Nidhoggr | which options are greyed out? |
| 20:51.49 | Nidhoggr | brightness is one. |
| 20:52.46 | JBDiGriz | Just lighting, this is a slow machine, and I had a number of things running simultaneously |
| 20:53.14 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:53.25 | Patlabor221 | 3fps should be expressed as .333 spf |
| 20:53.26 | Nidhoggr | still.. I've had it happen with nothing running. |
| 20:54.04 | JBDiGriz | I just checked, it's actually blending thats turned off on this machine. |
| 20:54.07 | Nidhoggr | it's wierd.. the sound has a rhythm, and in the soft spots, it echos the loud spots. |
| 20:54.12 | Nidhoggr | ah. |
| 20:54.18 | Nidhoggr | blending and brightness? |
| 20:54.37 | Patlabor221 | does an ibok even have hardware accelleration? |
| 20:54.37 | JBDiGriz | Which brightness option are you referring to? |
| 20:54.43 | Nidhoggr | the one in options |
| 20:54.50 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ibooks have crappy ati cards |
| 20:55.09 | Nidhoggr | mine is a newer ATI card in my desktop. |
| 20:55.10 | Patlabor221 | the mobility chips? like my crap dell? |
| 20:55.13 | Nidhoggr | an 8500 |
| 20:55.15 | Nidhoggr | radeon |
| 20:55.28 | JBDiGriz | This one has a crappy ATI Rage 3MPi card. |
| 20:55.53 | Nidhoggr | one of my partners has an ATI Rage in his PC, and his bz works great. |
| 20:56.04 | Nidhoggr | so it SHOULD work. |
| 20:56.26 | Patlabor221 | I run like crap on a rage |
| 20:56.32 | Patlabor221 | well unless evrything is off |
| 20:56.35 | JBDiGriz | Brightness and Depth Buffer are unavailable |
| 20:56.38 | Patlabor221 | maybe he's in software. |
| 20:56.43 | Nidhoggr | well, I bet it's better than my current mac settings. :) |
| 20:56.45 | Nidhoggr | ah, cool. |
| 20:56.49 | Nidhoggr | that's what I thought. |
| 21:03.04 | Nidhoggr | posted in bugs. |
| 21:03.39 | Nidhoggr | my partners are a little perturbed, because I bought a new ATI vid card for the mac, just so that bzflag would work, and it still doesn't. :) |
| 21:04.02 | Nidhoggr | I can still use my PC for now... but I hate my PC. |
| 21:04.03 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 21:04.35 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:07.30 | Patlabor221 | so ATI continues to suck ass. |
| 21:08.03 | Patlabor221 | install linux on the mac |
| 21:08.17 | creeperz | What happens if you permenantly take out a house bot? |
| 21:08.22 | creeperz | in RobotWars |
| 21:08.34 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you can |
| 21:08.46 | Patlabor221 | and go read the rules |
| 21:09.05 | JBDiGriz | I'll doublecheck which graphics card I have in my quicksilver. It might be one of the GEForce instead of the ATI. |
| 21:09.34 | doughecka | my dads quicksilver has a GF |
| 21:09.43 | doughecka | card, GF4ti somethin |
| 21:09.53 | doughecka | bzflag is nice on it |
| 21:10.04 | JBDiGriz | Some have ATI Radeon 7500 |
| 21:10.16 | captain_proton | 'why does the sun shine' is such a cool song :) |
| 21:28.47 | Patlabor221 | ummm you can stop that now. |
| 21:28.55 | creeperz | Not really |
| 21:29.06 | Patlabor221 | yes... yes you can. |
| 21:29.09 | creeperz | I'm testing for a channel |
| 21:29.17 | creeperz | And yes, I don't need to do that any more |
| 21:29.44 | Patlabor221 | there is no need to change your nick for any chanel |
| 21:29.52 | creeperz | Yes there is |
| 21:29.56 | creeperz | To re-identify |
| 21:30.07 | Patlabor221 | exit and enter the chanel |
| 21:30.20 | creeperz | my nick |
| 21:30.32 | creeperz | Not for the channel |
| 21:30.41 | Patlabor221 | there should never be a need to re-id |
| 21:30.46 | Nidhoggr | man.. I am really nice to people on the phone at work... I need mean lessons. |
| 21:30.47 | creeperz | :-) |
| 21:31.02 | Noodleman | hehe, i feel your pain, Nidhoggr |
| 21:31.04 | Patlabor221 | just imagne them as SB |
| 21:31.07 | creeperz | Whatever, Patlabor221 :-) |
| 21:31.41 | Nidhoggr | I am one of the few admins that get actual thankyou cards mailed from customers on a regular basis. |
| 21:31.54 | Patlabor221 | I used to get free beer when I was in support |
| 21:31.57 | Patlabor221 | and bike parts |
| 21:31.58 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 21:32.08 | Nidhoggr | I have a new favorite beer. |
| 21:32.30 | Nidhoggr | I've been drinking it for a while, but just recently realized it's my favorite beer. |
| 21:32.35 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 21:32.45 | Nidhoggr | Henry Weinhard's Private Reserve. |
| 21:33.02 | Patlabor221 | realy, I tink that stuff is skunky |
| 21:33.07 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 21:33.12 | Nidhoggr | I never had a skunky bottle. |
| 21:33.21 | Patlabor221 | Petes Wiked ale, strabery blonde. |
| 21:33.28 | Patlabor221 | that is da good beer |
| 21:33.45 | Noodleman | i got a plate of snickerdoodles from some customers once |
| 21:33.56 | Patlabor221 | what is a snickerdoodle? |
| 21:34.01 | hardwire | awesomeness! |
| 21:34.07 | Noodleman | ~dict snickerdoodle |
| 21:34.08 | Nidhoggr | I like a lot of european beers, but don't get them often. |
| 21:34.11 | hardwire | the best damn sugar cookie ever |
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| 21:34.39 | Noodleman | full of eggs and sugar :-) |
| 21:34.52 | hardwire | eggy suggarry nessy |
| 21:38.59 | JBDiGriz | Try Arrogant Bastard Ale from San Marcos Brewery, then we'll talk about good beers. |
| 21:39.45 | learner | lol, JB -- sounds like good stuff |
| 21:40.38 | JBDiGriz | Check out the web site http://www.arrogantbastard.com/ The title is "Are you worthy?" |
| 21:43.08 | JBDiGriz | learner: Nidhoggr had some interesting problems with the mac client, he's filed a bug on sourceforge. |
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| 21:43.56 | learner | Mkay, JB, I'll check it out (thx for the link ;) |
| 21:44.29 | JBDiGriz | When you're out this direction next month, you can check out the beer! :^) |
| 21:47.48 | doughecka | huh, I thought I could uninstall XP after an upgrade.. |
| 21:49.34 | Nidhoggr | it's funny when someone starts swearing secretplace, and an admin just appears and scolds them. logs are ever so fun. |
| 21:49.49 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:53.53 | bzgirl | is freshmeat and sourceforge the same people? |
| 21:54.12 | learner | No, not really |
| 21:54.21 | creeperz | Can someone test my channel for me? #creeperz |
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| 21:54.55 | learner | The freshmeat guys are friends with them (and more so with the slashdot guys) |
| 21:56.14 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: Link with libresolv on solaris |
| 21:56.44 | larsl | ibot, towers is <reply> see bzfquery glasstowers.homelinux.net:5155 |
| 21:56.45 | | ...but towers is already something else... |
| 21:56.52 | larsl | ibot, forget towers |
| 21:56.52 | | larsl: i forgot towers |
| 21:56.54 | larsl | ibot, towers is <reply> see bzfquery glasstowers.homelinux.net:5155 |
| 21:56.55 | | larsl: okay |
| 21:57.29 | Nidhoggr | well, hopefully in the next few minutes I'll have another few people here at work. been here by myself all day so far. |
| 21:57.37 | Nidhoggr | I'm taking over for a guy on vacation. |
| 21:57.46 | Nidhoggr | and we are normally here together on wednesdays. |
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| 22:14.24 | captain_proton | In file included from SceneNode.cxx:14: |
| 22:14.24 | captain_proton | ../../include/SceneNode.h:65: parse error before `->' token |
| 22:14.24 | captain_proton | ../../include/SceneNode.h:71: parse error before `->' token |
| 22:14.24 | captain_proton | ../../include/SceneNode.h:77: parse error before `->' token |
| 22:14.24 | captain_proton | ../../include/SceneNode.h:83: parse error before `->' token |
| 22:14.25 | captain_proton | wtf |
| 22:19.23 | larsl | captain_proton: I don't get that. |
| 22:19.53 | captain_proton | larsl: this is on sparc-sun-solaris2.8 |
| 22:20.00 | captain_proton | gcc 3.1 |
| 22:20.08 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:20.08 | captain_proton | 3.2 |
| 22:21.12 | larsl | 3.2.2, Linux. |
| 22:22.29 | captain_proton | most confusing part is that i don't see a '->' token on any of those lines |
| 22:22.44 | larsl | Is GLfloat defined as something strange? |
| 22:23.15 | captain_proton | typedef float GLfloat; |
| 22:23.23 | captain_proton | from /usr/include/GL/gl.h |
| 22:23.33 | larsl | Or maybe the glColor* functions are defined as macros. |
| 22:24.12 | larsl | Run cpp on it and see what it prints. |
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| 22:25.15 | Tupone | Hi all! |
| 22:28.39 | bzgirl | hi |
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| 22:33.40 | larsl | captain_proton: |
| 22:34.02 | captain_proton | larsl: |
| 22:34.29 | larsl | "To reduce function call overhead and improve performance for vertex calls in immediate mode, vertex commands such as glVertex, glColor , glNormal, glTexCoord and glIndex have been redefined as macros in the Sun OpenGL for Solaris software. You can use the compiler directive flag, -DSUN_OGL_NO_VERTEX_MACROS, to disable the vertex macro feature. |
| 22:34.48 | larsl | I don't know how the macros look though. |
| 22:35.08 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.09 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.10 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.14 | captain_proton | :P |
| 22:35.26 | Patlabor221 | whoa, they macroed them. |
| 22:35.30 | Patlabor221 | how wierd |
| 22:35.35 | captain_proton | ahh, i see |
| 22:35.40 | larsl | So we either use that flag, or change our names to avoid collisions. =P |
| 22:35.41 | captain_proton | configure.in had a type |
| 22:35.42 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:35.43 | captain_proton | typo |
| 22:35.54 | captain_proton | it defined SUN_OGL_NO_VERTEX_MACRO |
| 22:35.57 | captain_proton | missing the S |
| 22:38.12 | Tupone | larsl: |
| 22:38.27 | Chestal | jo |
| 22:38.30 | Chestal | oops |
| 22:38.35 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 22:39.21 | Tupone | larsl: Yesterday we fixed my problem on src/bzflag/Makefile.am Thats ok x yu? |
| 22:39.33 | larsl | It still works for me, so yeah. =) |
| 22:40.17 | captain_proton | Tupone: what problem> |
| 22:40.17 | captain_proton | ? |
| 22:41.12 | Tupone | larsl fixed a dipendency problem on the library included by bzflag. But he use the operator += interspaced with conditional |
| 22:41.31 | captain_proton | ah |
| 22:41.33 | Tupone | New automake explicitly says that for now it's not allowed |
| 22:42.08 | Tupone | So me and Tim rephrased that ... |
| 22:42.58 | Tupone | If you have seen CVS now you can build servers only with low effort :) |
| 22:45.07 | stibnite | ruller is a cheat, correct? |
| 22:48.01 | larsl | I've never seen him/her/it. |
| 22:50.08 | CIA | commit by atupone: typo. Added ref. to README.MINGW32, README.IRIX |
| 22:51.47 | david_v | ~ducati6 |
| 22:53.01 | Tupone | captain_proton: I'll try to fix make distcheck. But I'll do disconnected. NO one is working on it, yah? |
| 22:54.17 | captain_proton | isn't make distcheck fixed? |
| 22:54.45 | Tupone | I don't think so! wildcard problem I suppose. |
| 22:55.26 | captain_proton | make distcheck works fine for me |
| 22:55.31 | captain_proton | we should get rid of the wildcards though |
| 22:55.47 | larsl | I think I fixed that a while ago... it works for me too now. |
| 22:55.53 | larsl | 'make distcheck' I mean. |
| 22:56.07 | Tupone | Yesterday I tryed make distcheck in a parallel directory and did not work |
| 22:58.01 | Tupone | I made make dist in a parallel dircetory and then make distcheck! |
| 22:58.33 | larsl | Looks like dependencies aren't computed correctly in a separate build directory. |
| 22:59.02 | larsl | Might be because of that -I../../include that's still in there somewhere. |
| 22:59.12 | Tupone | Me and capt thinks is depending on the wildcard. OK x you capt? |
| 22:59.33 | larsl | I'm going to bed. |
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| 23:18.11 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: don't use solaris opengl macros |
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| 23:29.04 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 23:32.48 | doughecka | greetings |
| 23:34.04 | captain_proton | doughecka: do you have an autogreet? |
| 23:34.09 | captain_proton | because if so, turn it off |
| 23:35.57 | CIA | commit by davidtrowbridge: more solaris fixinating |
