irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030609

`00:01.57`	`patlabor221`	`I am`
`00:04.04`	`fiberchunks`	`preferably the ones with black labels, and twist off caps ;)`
`00:05.26`	`patlabor221`	`that would not do well for a sore throat`
`00:05.58`	`fiberchunks`	`sure it would, you'd be asleep in no time -- toss some sudafed in there for extra ass-kicking goodness ;)`
`00:06.14`	`patlabor221`	`sudafed is for sinuses`
`00:06.35`	`fiberchunks`	`and for knocking you out, when mixed with alcohol`
`00:06.52`	`patlabor221`	`falling asleep is not an issue :)`
`00:07.49`	`fiberchunks`	`I used to drink oodles of tea when i sang opera, before a recital, when i felt a bug coming on, etc -- worked wonders for me -- usually lemon-honey`
`00:11.36`	`bzgirl`	`http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=693`
`00:11.45`	`bzgirl`	`need your pics boys :)`
`00:12.07`	`patlabor221`	`how bout one of more then your freckled nose :)`
`00:12.32`	`bzgirl`	`hmm i dunno :)`
`00:12.48`	`bzgirl`	`i could pan it out a little more maybe`
`00:12.53`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, bzgirl, we're all anxiously awaiting your 'appearance' ;)`
`00:13.44`	`bzgirl`	`i wonder if thers an ap to convert photo to anmie`
`00:13.57`	`bzgirl`	`id do it then :)`
`00:14.11`	`patlabor221`	`ohh I could make you anime if you wanted`
`00:14.21`	`patlabor221`	`if you can do a nose I can do this then.`
`00:14.22`	`patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/head.jpg`
`00:14.42`	`fiberchunks`	`what is that?!?! ;)`
`00:14.48`	`patlabor221`	`I'm not sure`
`00:14.49`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:14.54`	`bzgirl`	`lol`
`00:15.10`	`bzgirl`	`go post it :)`
`00:15.12`	`fiberchunks`	`whoooo :)`
`00:15.23`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, absolutely, post that as your pic, patlabor221`
`00:15.30`	`patlabor221`	`heh`
`00:15.42`	`patlabor221`	`my hair isn't even that color any more`
`00:15.59`	`doughecka`	`colour`
`00:16.11`	`fiberchunks`	`coleur`
`00:16.17`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`00:16.38`	`bzgirl`	`you dyed it?`
`00:16.46`	`bzgirl`	`teased it? highlights?`
`00:16.50`	`patlabor221`	`that picture has it died`
`00:17.25`	`patlabor221`	`it was purple then`
`00:17.41`	`bzgirl`	`so you could make anmie from a real photo?`
`00:17.43`	`patlabor221`	`ooo found a picture of my HUGE cat`
`00:17.49`	`patlabor221`	`sure, you just draw over it.`
`00:17.51`	`patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/ccam.jpg`
`00:18.07`	`fiberchunks`	`wow, roxfiler is a killer little file manager for linux`
`00:18.10`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:18.23`	`bzgirl`	`fiber i use rox too`
`00:18.40`	`fiberchunks`	`just discovered it recently -- nice little app`
`00:18.44`	`bzgirl`	`infact theres a rox window manager also`
`00:19.12`	`bzgirl`	`its not bad, but not as good as flux`
`00:20.15`	`fiberchunks`	`there is 'much' dissent about the new colored console, btw patlabor221`
`00:20.28`	`patlabor221`	`yes I know`
`00:20.34`	`bzgirl`	`the colored text?`
`00:20.43`	`patlabor221`	`too bad tim likes it, tim likes it a LOT`
`00:20.47`	`captain_proton`	`if people don't like it, they can turn it off`
`00:20.49`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:20.49`	`bzgirl`	`im sorta getting used to it`
`00:20.52`	`fiberchunks`	`so do i, quite a bit`
`00:21.11`	`patlabor221`	`they shoudl have made it an option tho`
`00:21.21`	`fiberchunks`	`captain_proton: i guess the issue for those who don't like it, is that there is no 'return to 'classic'' type option :\`
`00:21.46`	`patlabor221`	`like the hud stuff, it was just changed with out any way to go back.`
`00:22.01`	`captain_proton`	`fiberchunks: umm`
`00:22.10`	`captain_proton`	`it occurs to me that there is`
`00:22.12`	`patlabor221`	`where do they turn it off, and I'll tell them so they will shuddap`
`00:22.22`	`fiberchunks`	`perfect solution`
`00:22.29`	`bzgirl`	`it dosent turn off completely`
`00:22.33`	`bzgirl`	`i tried`
`00:22.53`	`captain_proton`	`GUI options`
`00:22.59`	`captain_proton`	`bzgirl: what does it miss?`
`00:23.37`	`bzgirl`	`the guy you kill is in his team color`
`00:23.54`	`bzgirl`	`i dont need that info highlighted really`
`00:23.58`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`00:24.09`	`captain_proton`	`it should be completely grey when turned off`
`00:24.31`	`bzgirl`	`id just like pvt messagess different than anything else, and tema messeges in my team color`
`00:25.05`	`bzgirl`	`any server stuff like got hit by shot, i skim over anyhow`
`00:25.17`	`captain_proton`	`maybe in a later rewrite of the color stuff it'll be configurable`
`00:25.26`	`bzgirl`	`yeah, its no biggie`
`00:25.27`	`captain_proton`	`for now this is an improvement`
`00:25.32`	`bzgirl`	`im used to it now`
`00:25.34`	`fiberchunks`	`the whole thing is white when it's turned off -- is that what it is supposed to do?`
`00:25.43`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, nm, just read cp's line above`
`00:27.08`	`scanline`	`why in hell does this case have a ferrite bead around the front panel wires?`
`00:28.06`	`patlabor221`	`the put a choke on it?`
`00:33.24`	`scanline`	`yeah`
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`00:35.39`	`patlabor221`	`odd`
`00:35.48`	`patlabor221`	`not like there is a lot of power goin thru there`
`00:38.02`	`captain_proton`	`so the magnetic forces don't erase your hard disk!`
`00:39.34`	`captain_proton`	`bzgirl: i don't see the killee colored when console coloring is turned off`
`00:41.21`	`bzgirl`	`what is underline set to for you? text?`
`00:41.34`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: :)`
`00:42.01`	`captain_proton`	`bzgirl: cyan`
`00:42.17`	`captain_proton`	`bzgirl: when coloring is turned off it should strip -all- codes from the text, not just colors`
`00:43.09`	`bzgirl`	`captain_proton: ok....the "klled by" is white, but the "dropped flag" is grey`
`00:43.23`	`captain_proton`	`rowan atkinson is my hero`
`00:43.44`	`scanline`	`=)`
`00:44.44`	`patlabor221`	`that sounds vaugly familiar`
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`00:48.41`	`iLLf8d`	`hey is that bzfrag putz in channel?`
`00:49.28`	`iLLf8d`	`guess not`
`00:49.30`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:49.32`	`iLLf8d`	`too many cheats`
`00:49.49`	`iLLf8d`	`that mofo is constantly respawning on his base at will`
`00:49.58`	`iLLf8d`	`and always beats the flag explosion off the base`
`00:50.34`	`iLLf8d`	`you go to jump on the base he respawns you hear the clapping he's already dropping off the base while his teamates get creamed by your crossfield base to base fire`
`00:50.56`	`iLLf8d`	`the dude goes to ctf fields joins the team with the most flags then doesn't play a lick of ctf`
`00:51.00`	`iLLf8d`	`what a weenie`
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`00:57.30`	`patlabor221`	`http://www.fredart.com/fredart/co_graphics/PTCO2-final.jpg`
`00:57.56`	`bzgirl`	`heh`
`00:58.12`	`patlabor221`	`thought you might`
`00:59.03`	`bzgirl`	`thats cool`
`00:59.26`	`patlabor221`	`I think he's puting it on a shirt`
`01:01.54`	`patlabor221`	`I should get the 'overclocked' one as well`
`01:01.55`	`patlabor221`	`http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/mt-overclocked.jpg`
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`15:01.45`	`*** topic/#bzflag is http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) \|\| upgrade bzfs servers to CVS \|\| 1.7g2 coming RSN \|\| for a giggle, check for crs' name in the credits for Finding Nemo`
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`15:02.05`	`TimRiker`	`Xxf86vm allows mode switching on the fly under xfree86`
`15:02.42`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: need a visual on the scoreboard in the new protocol. lagstats is probably a good thing for now.`
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`15:05.42`	`captain_proton`	`TimRiker: well - usually the thing i like to do is 'make distcheck', but thats broken at the moment :)`
`15:06.44`	`Chestal`	`is there a way to undo the autoconf/automake steps?`
`15:06.55`	`captain_proton`	`undo?`
`15:07.02`	`Chestal`	`well, I want to have a clean cvs checkout`
`15:07.14`	`Chestal`	`cvs up usually breaks everything when there was a change to the automake stuff`
`15:07.31`	`Chestal`	`I coudl do rm -rf bzflag, cvs -d ... co of course`
`15:08.26`	`Chestal`	`have been doign this liek 10 times durign the last week...`
`15:08.27`	`captain_proton`	`you could just run the auto* commands again`
`15:08.32`	`captain_proton`	`or rerun autogen.sh`
`15:09.43`	`Chestal`	`well, I'll just checkout once more`
`15:10.00`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`15:10.05`	`captain_proton`	`pat posted some builds on bzbb`
`15:12.59`	`larsl`	`'make distclean'`
`15:13.20`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: that'll leave a ./configure lying around`
`15:13.23`	`larsl`	`Removes all Makefile.in.`
`15:13.31`	`larsl`	`'make distclean; autoconf'. =P`
`15:13.45`	`captain_proton`	`or you could just rerun automake, autoconf`
`15:13.50`	`larsl`	`True.`
`15:13.54`	`larsl`	`+aclocal.`
`15:14.04`	`larsl`	`And possibly autoheader.`
`15:14.52`	`Chestal`	`well, distclean didn't solve this problem`
`15:15.02`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: just rerun autogen.sh`
`15:15.04`	`Chestal`	`I think some dirs were excluded from the automake process lately`
`15:15.09`	`Chestal`	`but my code still wanted to go in`
`15:15.18`	`larsl`	`Did you rerun autoconf?`
`15:15.30`	`Chestal`	`it's especially annoying, because I ave to make manual changes to config.cache every tim`
`15:15.50`	`Chestal`	`oh well, after some time, changes to automake stuff should be very infrequent`
`15:17.46`	`captain_proton`	`yes`
`15:18.01`	`captain_proton`	`i think once g2 is out the door i'm going to redo all the package stuff, but there shouldn't be much more`
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`15:35.14`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: I do: cvs up \| grep ^? \| sed -e 's/^? //' \| xargs rm or something like that.`
`15:35.47`	`captain_proton`	`ibot: message for ak\|ra your moles patch split up an options page into two side-by-side panes, correct? how did you do that?`
`15:36.16`	`TimRiker`	`make maintainer-clean should get you most of the way there. it leaves the Makefile.in's though.`
`15:41.48`	`CIA`	`commit by chestal: add (R) to lagstats line for identified players; not the perfect solution, we do not see observers and it's not that pretty`
`15:41.50`	`Chestal`	`I'm off, later`
`15:42.00`	`captain_proton`	`cya Chestal`
`15:49.19`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: try cvsignore'ing more`
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`16:39.07`	`TimRiker`	`we should have a config.h for each platform. even win32.`
`16:39.34`	`TimRiker`	`just that non-autoconf platforms should have one pregenerated and add that to the include path. (copy?)`
`16:46.48`	`prot-work`	`welp, someone scheduled a meeting in the room that i have to work in without telling me`
`16:46.55`	`prot-work`	`so i think i'm gonna hack up a tardist build`
`16:48.00`	`TimRiker`	`is atupone here?`
`16:49.05`	`prot-work`	`no`
`16:49.40`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. think we can get him to join?`
`16:50.06`	`prot-work`	`he's been showing up recently as "Tupone"`
`16:50.15`	`prot-work`	`got a question for him?`
`16:51.22`	`TimRiker`	`just general autoconf/automake issues...`
`16:51.48`	`prot-work`	`i might be able to help - whats the issue?`
`16:52.11`	`TimRiker`	`what's (R) stand for?`
`16:52.18`	`TimRiker`	`that's not the issue...`
`16:52.29`	`prot-work`	`registered+identified i think`
`16:52.31`	`TimRiker`	`looking at the make distcheck issue.`
`16:52.37`	`prot-work`	`ahh`
`16:53.11`	`TimRiker`	`I'm adding atupone to the sf project. k`
`16:53.14`	`TimRiker`	`er k?`
`16:53.26`	`prot-work`	`fine by me`
`16:53.42`	`TimRiker`	`well, I was... then sf went down.`
`16:53.50`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`16:54.04`	`prot-work`	`you know you want to set me as an sf admin while you're at it ;)`
`16:54.38`	`TimRiker`	`~botmail for Tupone I suggest you register with NickServ. /msg NickServ help for instructions.`
`16:54.56`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: thinking about it, yes. ;-)`
`16:56.08`	`ak\|ra_`	`prot-work: u use 3dwm?`
`16:57.07`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra_: when i'm sitting at this machine, yes`
`16:57.19`	`Patlabor221`	`what is 3dwm?`
`16:57.20`	`prot-work`	`3dwm being the irix window manager, not the "3d workspace manager"`
`16:57.46`	`hardwire`	`3dwm makes me unhappy`
`16:59.22`	`prot-work`	`hm`
`16:59.28`	`prot-work`	`osx is usable if you turn off all the fluff`
`17:01.05`	`ak\|ra_`	`prot-work: isnt that 4dwm ?`
`17:01.15`	`ak\|ra_`	`on the irix-machine?`
`17:01.47`	`prot-work`	`err...maybe :)`
`17:01.58`	`prot-work`	`yes, i'm just being silly`
`17:02.09`	`ak\|ra`	`yes, 4Dwm`
`17:02.19`	`ak\|ra`	`:))`
`17:02.48`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra: did you get my question that i left with ibot?`
`17:03.25`	`ak\|ra`	`not yet ..`
`17:03.44`	`prot-work`	`ok, i'll ask again`
`17:03.47`	`ak\|ra`	`i am not very .. aufmerksam .. attentive to irc at the moment`
`17:03.57`	`prot-work`	`your moles patch had an option screen with two side-by-side "panes", correct?`
`17:04.34`	`ak\|ra`	`maybe :) long time ago`
`17:04.47`	`ak\|ra`	`how do i get messages from ibot?`
`17:04.48`	`prot-work`	`heh`
`17:04.55`	`prot-work`	`it should have told you when you logged on`
`17:05.04`	`prot-work`	`i don't suppose you recall how you did that?`
`17:05.17`	`ak\|ra`	`wait`
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`17:05.47`	`prot-work`	`yay, sourceforge lives`
`17:06.02`	`ak\|ra`	`ah, now i got this message`
`17:06.17`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, i have to take a look at bzflag again`
`17:06.19`	`TimRiker`	`~ x de en aufmerksam`
`17:06.37`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: as my translater told me ..`
`17:06.47`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`17:07.05`	`TimRiker`	`ibot's your friend (most of the time)`
`17:07.35`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, prot, please describe it again, i cant follow (stupid germen geek)`
`17:09.59`	`ak\|ra`	`what?`
`17:10.18`	`TimRiker`	`well if SF would stay up that is...`
`17:11.29`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra: the options menu is too long now, but i don't want to split it into multiple pages`
`17:11.41`	`prot-work`	`i remember that the moles patch had an options screen with two columns`
`17:11.50`	`TimRiker`	`key mapping is in two columns, should be similar code.`
`17:11.58`	`prot-work`	`oh it is? :P`
`17:13.39`	`TimRiker`	`I think the menu should be able to overlap the msg area now. we just need to make the msg area update correctly.`
`17:15.42`	`TimRiker`	`ie: mark the msg/radar areas as dirty when ever a menu changes.`
`17:16.27`	`prot-work`	`hrm`
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`17:17.56`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: really?`
`17:18.02`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: can we just columnize it for now and do that later once its a bit cleaner?`
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`17:19.11`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: i cant see this here in my version`
`17:19.32`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra: i might just be confusing you with the keymapping`
`17:19.54`	`prot-work`	`arg`
`17:20.13`	`ak\|ra`	`yeah, the keymappings are 2 panes`
`17:20.31`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, i search the patch`
`17:21.27`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: fine. just thinking outloud.`
`17:22.42`	`prot-work`	`damn i love this x server`
`17:22.59`	`Patlabor221`	`what else is left? just the testing?`
`17:23.14`	`prot-work`	`a little bit of testing`
`17:23.27`	`prot-work`	`i'm going to columnize the options menu so that it doesn't overlap with the control panel`
`17:23.48`	`prot-work`	`also some package changes for irix to get in (should be soon)`
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`17:24.00`	`dolphin`	`hi all`
`17:24.09`	`dolphin`	`what port bzflag server uses?`
`17:24.31`	`prot-work`	`dolphin: by default, 5155+5156 tcp, 5155 udp`
`17:24.45`	`dolphin`	`thx`
`17:24.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I haven't seen anything that is duplicatable on BZBB from the windows installer I put up there.`
`17:25.17`	`Patlabor221`	`the "crash on minimization" is no dupe for ( I bet he has crap drivers )`
`17:26.03`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: ok, i dont see anything in our patch that touches the keymapping menu`
`17:26.27`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: plus 5154 udp`
`17:26.40`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: huh? multiple udp ports?`
`17:26.45`	`prot-work`	`when did this happen?"`
`17:26.50`	`TimRiker`	`old multicast port #`
`17:26.57`	`prot-work`	`isn't that turned off?`
`17:27.12`	`TimRiker`	`probably is now unless you use -i or somthing.`
`17:27.31`	`TimRiker`	`I might move 1.9 to 5154 exclusively. thoughts?`
`17:27.53`	`TimRiker`	`iirc 5154 is registered at SGI for something bz ish.`
`17:27.59`	`prot-work`	`hm`
`17:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`is any one port better or worse?`
`17:28.18`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: you're update on SF now.`
`17:28.18`	`dolphin`	`any1 interested to help me by testing my server?`
`17:28.34`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: not really, just should use a registered one if there is one... ;-)`
`17:28.48`	`Patlabor221`	`that makes sense to me.`
`17:28.55`	`prot-work`	`there are a bunch of sgi demos in the 51** range, but i don't se bz`
`17:29.09`	`prot-work`	`also a note "the following are not official, so be careful"`
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`17:29.50`	`prot-work`	`oop`
`17:29.52`	`prot-work`	`there it is`
`17:29.55`	`prot-work`	`5133/udp`
`17:29.59`	`larsl`	`5133?`
`17:30.01`	`prot-work`	`"for the BZ demo port"`
`17:30.03`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: src/bzflag/menu.cxx : 725 .. KeyboardMapMenu::resize`
`17:30.15`	`ak\|ra`	`for (i = 1; i <= mid; i++) {`
`17:30.18`	`prot-work`	`service is listed as sgi-bznet`
`17:30.21`	`ak\|ra`	`for (i = mid+1; i < count; i++) {`
`17:30.34`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: i think thats what u are searching for`
`17:31.34`	`prot-work`	`might be worth an email to chris for clarification`
`17:32.26`	`TimRiker`	`http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers has 5153-5164 Unassigned`
`17:32.45`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: quick! stang 5155!`
`17:32.46`	`prot-work`	`err`
`17:32.50`	`prot-work`	`s/stang/snag/`
`17:37.40`	`Patlabor221`	`when you get slaped wiht some stank on it, it 'stangs'`
`17:38.31`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`17:41.13`	`prot-work`	`bleah`
`17:41.27`	`prot-work`	`apparently autoconf<=2.13 has an AC_CHECK_TYPE thats broken by design`
`17:42.52`	`prot-work`	`ultimate LART: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0000798L5/qid=/br=1-13/ref=b`
`17:42.55`	`prot-work`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:43.03`	`prot-work`	`eep`
`17:46.13`	`Noodleman`	`the Lempel-Ziv patent expires june 20`
`17:46.16`	`Noodleman`	`w00w00!`
`17:46.26`	`Noodleman`	`convert all your images to gif!`
`17:46.32`	`Noodleman`	`lzw compress your hdd!`
`17:47.09`	`*** part/#bzflag sandwich (~dolphin@roi-04b.cable.inet.fi)`
`17:47.21`	`prot-work`	`mmmm...dolphin sandwich`
`17:47.50`	`Noodleman`	`look at me! i'm a flippin' little dolphin, let me flip for ya!`
`17:47.59`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`17:49.09`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.businesswire.com/photowire/pw.060903/bb4.jpg`
`17:49.16`	`Noodleman`	`i should have waited for that pretty red color`
`17:49.40`	`Patlabor221`	`that's a bfp`
`17:49.52`	`Noodleman`	`what's bfp?`
`17:49.55`	`Noodleman`	`big fat pic?`
`17:49.55`	`Patlabor221`	`that`
`17:50.05`	`Patlabor221`	`fat was not the word I chose, but that works`
`17:50.17`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`17:50.35`	`Noodleman`	`i like looking for alternatives`
`17:50.56`	`Patlabor221`	`who would have thought that the music form a 90's PS1 game could be so good :)`
`17:51.41`	`Noodleman`	`what game?`
`17:51.45`	`Patlabor221`	`Wipeout.`
`17:51.54`	`Noodleman`	`ah, never heard of it`
`17:52.01`	`Noodleman`	`i'm not that much into video games`
`17:52.09`	`prot-work`	`"the image cannot be displayed because it contains errors"`
`17:52.25`	`Noodleman`	`just irc, and when i'm bored, g00gl3 wh4ck1ng!`
`17:52.37`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/game%20music/Wipeout%20Soundtrack/`
`17:52.58`	`Noodleman`	`i'm thinking i'll go back to work for a couple hours a day until i move`
`17:53.38`	`Patlabor221`	`this makes nice background "working " musicl`
`17:55.46`	`Patlabor221`	`now the tribes2 music, that makes good "I'm gonna blow you up" music :)`
`17:55.56`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`17:56.10`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm cap may even like the wipeout music`
`17:56.21`	`Noodleman`	`khachaturian's sabre dance makes great bzflag music :-)`
`17:56.36`	`Patlabor221`	`don't tink I know that one.`
`17:57.03`	`Patlabor221`	`for me I tink this one makes good`
`17:57.04`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/game%20music/Tribes2/lush.mp3`
`17:57.11`	`Noodleman`	`lemme get it to ya`
`17:58.23`	`Noodleman`	`just a sec, gotta rip it`
`17:58.40`	`Patlabor221`	`you mean you still have music on those spinny things?`
`17:58.52`	`Noodleman`	`yeah`
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`17:59.06`	`Noodleman`	`i'm always forgetting to rip stuff :-)`
`17:59.35`	`Noodleman`	`although i have 2 copy-protected cd's that i had to rip just to be able to listen to`
`17:59.43`	`Patlabor221`	`what type of portal?`
`17:59.55`	`prot-work`	`Patlabor221: no kind of portal, 'portal theory' is a band`
`18:00.01`	`Patlabor221`	`hehe`
`18:00.17`	`prot-work`	`damn good one too`
`18:00.18`	`Patlabor221`	`Perpetious Dreamer here`
`18:01.07`	`Noodleman`	`you have the ability to listen to oggs, right?`
`18:01.12`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`18:01.17`	`Patlabor221`	`winamp plays them all`
`18:01.29`	`Noodleman`	`good, you don't use WiMP`
`18:01.31`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`18:01.59`	`Noodleman`	`i like to call it that for certain derogatory reasons`
`18:02.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh god no`
`18:02.21`	`Patlabor221`	`why would I do that`
`18:02.29`	`Patlabor221`	`winamp does everyhing windows media does`
`18:02.33`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's way cooler`
`18:02.41`	`Noodleman`	`ride of the valkyries is great bzflag music too`
`18:02.58`	`Patlabor221`	`halo music works for that as well`
`18:03.36`	`Patlabor221`	`"Rock Anthem For Saving The World"`
`18:03.44`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`18:04.06`	`Patlabor221`	`the guy who did the halo music is realy good, he sets the mood perfectly`
`18:04.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and you can tell all the tracks are from the same "theme"`
`18:04.27`	`Patlabor221`	`but they are all difrent enough`
`18:04.41`	`doughecka`	`this is wierd, I am VNCing in from work to my PC at home, to instant message my mom to pick me up`
`18:04.55`	`Patlabor221`	`dude, just call her.`
`18:05.04`	`Patlabor221`	`or learn to drive :)(`
`18:05.05`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`18:05.11`	`doughecka`	`that would be so normal`
`18:05.16`	`Noodleman`	`you have serious thrill issues dude`
`18:05.19`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`18:05.21`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah and a lot faster`
`18:05.47`	`doughecka`	`bah, she aint online`
`18:05.55`	`prot-work`	`doughecka has a job?`
`18:06.19`	`doughecka`	`yes.....`
`18:06.29`	`Noodleman`	`my buddy wants a job as an official video game playtester`
`18:06.37`	`Noodleman`	`i don't think that will ever happen`
`18:06.41`	`prot-work`	`Noodleman: he obviously doesn't know what QA is about`
`18:06.52`	`prot-work`	`"playtester" doesn't mean playing games for a living`
`18:06.57`	`prot-work`	`it means testing software for a living`
`18:06.57`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`18:08.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah cus it burns the funn outa the game when you play it the 400th time on a compaq POS`
`18:08.30`	`Patlabor221`	`whilst taking notes`
`18:11.33`	`Patlabor221`	`whoooot, there goes the stack!!!!`
`18:11.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I am thinking when your stack is all 0xCCCCCCCC it's not good`
`18:12.04`	`prot-work`	`not really, no`
`18:12.55`	`Patlabor221`	`it's been ages since anyone actualy turned on these loging funcs, now I know why.`
`18:13.14`	`Patlabor221`	`uggg, mac style`
`18:13.36`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: add test for socklen_t`
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`18:16.56`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: poke poke`
`18:17.25`	`Noodleman`	`here's so good bzfragging music:`
`18:17.36`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.noodleroni.com/wagner__die_walkure_ride_of_the_valkyries.ogg`
`18:17.47`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.noodleroni.com/khachaturian__sabre_dance.ogg`
`18:23.40`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: Tupone is here`
`18:26.33`	`Noodleman`	`"all play, no work, makes Jack a dumb jerk"`
`18:27.28`	`TimRiker`	`trepan: welcome. "make distcheck" is wierd. ideas as to why?`
`18:27.41`	`TimRiker`	`Tupone: welcome. "make distcheck" is wierd. ideas as to why?`
`18:27.45`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`18:27.54`	`Noodleman`	`alien pigbunnies' rebellion`
`18:28.11`	`Noodleman`	`that's why`
`18:28.30`	`Tupone`	`Never tryed! I'll do!`
`18:29.36`	`larsl_food`	`Hm, -O2 is given twice when compiling. I don't think it's bad, but it looks a bit strange.`
`18:31.24`	`TimRiker`	`also, are Makefile.am's needed in every directory that wants to be included in the make tar type targets?`
`18:31.33`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: yes`
`18:31.50`	`TimRiker`	`larsl_food: perhaps that's -Osquared then? ;-)`
`18:32.06`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: no way around that? ugh... guess I'll back out my changes then.`
`18:32.11`	`larsl_food`	`You could write dist-hook targets in parent Makefile.ams if you really want to remove some of them.`
`18:32.31`	`prot-work`	`that ends up being a more confusing/ickier solution`
`18:32.35`	`larsl_food`	`Yes.`
`18:32.36`	`larsl_food`	`=)`
`18:32.36`	`TimRiker`	`larsl_food: tell me more... I'm interested if it's easy.`
`18:32.59`	`TimRiker`	`ugh. not if it's officially "ickier"`
`18:33.05`	`larsl_food`	`Any dist-hook targets in a Makefile.am gets called when you type 'make dist'.`
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`18:33.26`	`larsl_food`	`IIRC, after the dist directory has been created but before it's tarred and compressed.`
`18:33.38`	`Noodleman`	`M0oF`
`18:33.46`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: why do you think it's ickier?`
`18:33.55`	`larsl_food`	`So you could write a dist-hook that copied entire subdirectories into the dist directory.`
`18:33.58`	`Noodleman`	`Fo0M`
`18:34.05`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: because custom hook targets bother me a bit`
`18:34.47`	`TimRiker`	`there is not AC_IGNORE_BUT_INCLUDE_THESE_DIRS or similar? ;-)`
`18:34.58`	`Noodleman`	`i chopped up a dogcow when i mowed the lawn this morning :-(`
`18:34.59`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`18:36.30`	`TimRiker`	`~dict dogcow`
`18:36.42`	`TimRiker`	`~dict moof`
`18:37.39`	`TimRiker`	`ibot has issues with output wrapping.`
`18:37.40`		`TimRiker: I wish you would RTFM.`
`18:39.41`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: happy two-columned options menu`
`18:41.47`	`larsl_food`	`The current build system doesn't seem to like building in a separate directory.`
`18:42.19`	`larsl_food`	`Seems as if it can't find the global headers.`
`18:42.36`	`prot-work`	`which is weird`
`18:42.39`	`prot-work`	`because of -I../..`
`18:42.41`	`prot-work`	`err`
`18:42.44`	`prot-work`	`-I../../include`
`18:42.53`	`larsl_food`	`Aah.`
`18:43.26`	`larsl_food`	`Maybe that should be replaced with -I@whatever_the_top_src_dir_is_called@/include.`
`18:43.43`	`prot-work`	`ooh thats a nifty automake variable`
`18:44.47`	`larsl_food`	`It's actually @top_srcdir@. =)`
`18:46.24`	`TimRiker`	`yeah @top_srcdir@ is probably a Good Idea.`
`18:46.59`	`larsl_food`	`Hm, where is that -I../../include added?`
`18:47.42`	`Tupone`	`I cannot answer now 'cause I'm checking out again all with ssh`
`18:48.26`	`TimRiker`	`http://developer.apple.com/products/techsupport/dogcow/tn31.html <- so who's the stiff?`
`18:48.27`	`prot-work`	`hm`
`18:48.43`	`prot-work`	`the windows build has -I$(top_srcdir)/include`
`18:55.11`	`TimRiker`	`that looks better to me.`
`18:55.27`	`Tupone`	`Nothing to do with automake: yesterday while playing I was kicked off for excess speed. I had the speed flag, and perhas for the lag, system detected too much speed. Can we increase the limits?`
`18:55.31`	`Noodleman`	`http://www.cafeshops.com/mooficon`
`18:55.41`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: It's a server option.`
`18:56.00`	`Tupone`	`Yah! I was playing on xmission`
`18:58.34`	`TimRiker`	`Noodleman: that's the old small dogcow. The larger version is more cowish`
`18:59.17`	`Noodleman`	`yeahm i know :-)`
`18:59.23`	`TimRiker`	`xmission is set to defaults. defaults are probably a bit too agressive.`
`19:00.11`	`Tupone`	`I know I'm so lagging, normally 300 msec, from Italy dialup. I suppose sometimes lag changes`
`19:01.02`	`Tupone`	`and so the detected speed.`
`19:03.59`	`Noodleman`	`don't worry, i'm just obsessed`
`19:08.02`	`bzgirl`	`chestal any moles want a match?`
`19:12.14`	`Noodleman`	`One gentleman in the developer community took offense saying that "dogcow" was too close to "Dachau" and showed how the note had underpinnings of anti-Semitism. (I showed this one to my Jewish father-in-law, who had to be resuscitated, he was laughing so hard.)`
`19:12.58`	`larsl_food`	`$top_srcdir doesn't seem to be set when configure is running. =P`
`19:13.15`	`larsl_food`	`Maybe we'll have to add INCLUDES lines in all the Makefile.ams?`
`19:17.49`	`larsl_food`	`I have a rather hackish solution for the top_srcdir problem. =P`
`19:18.34`	`larsl_food`	`Since the variable isn't defined while the configure script is running, but it is defined in the Makefiles, I added '-I\$(top_srcdir)' to CPPFLAGS in configure.in.`
`19:19.04`	`larsl_food`	`Since $ is escaped, it will be written in the Makefiles as '-I$(top_srcdir)', and replaced with the correct value.`
`19:19.26`	`larsl_food`	`I still haven't found the line where -I../../include is added though.`
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`19:24.17`	`TimRiker`	`also can we move the datapath to a config.h instead of a -D option?`
`20:01.42`	`TimRiker`	`hmm... my build did not add -lGL or -lGLU`
`20:01.46`	`TimRiker`	`could be my end.`
`20:01.49`	`TimRiker`	`back later...`
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`20:05.55`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`20:06.47`	`Chestal`	`bzgirl: I am at home, tired and a tiny bit drunk. No match for me :-)`
`20:07.04`	`bzgirl`	`drunk?? :)`
`20:07.13`	`bzgirl`	`thats the best time to play`
`20:08.37`	`JBDiGriz`	`bzgirl: How often are you testing that theory?`
`20:09.20`	`bzgirl`	`not often JB, i dont mind some wine and BZ, but wine and IRC i fear the most`
`20:09.22`	`prot-work`	`Chestal: =)`
`20:09.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`I know learner goes for the Corona!`
`20:10.41`	`Chestal`	`well, I only had about 3 glasses of beer and already prepared the antidote`
`20:10.53`	`bzgirl`	`antiote?`
`20:11.04`	`Chestal`	`black tea`
`20:11.08`	`bzgirl`	`ahh`
`20:11.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`You have access to that good German bier! We only get the stuff that makes it across the pond.`
`20:11.37`	`Chestal`	`I tried a new one today, "Bosch Braunbier", very tasty`
`20:13.22`	`JBDiGriz`	`Sounds good, I usually go for the darker beers as well. Luckily, we have a fairly good assortment of microbreweries around here.`
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`20:16.45`	`prot-work`	`bah!`
`20:16.48`	`JBDiGriz`	`As an example of one of the local microbrewers I enjoy. Don't read it if easily offended! http://www.arrogantbastard.com/`
`20:16.50`	`prot-work`	`this projector has a password!`
`20:17.14`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:19.28`	`Patlabor221`	`should we rot13 the passwords that are on disk or something before we release G2?`
`20:19.47`	`TimRiker`	`nah.`
`20:20.08`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`20:20.13`	`doughecka`	`pgp :P`
`20:20.29`	`TimRiker`	`~rot13 it's easy enough to decrypt that. let's get the real solution in place and not worry about hacking up an interim.`
`20:20.29`		`vg'f rnfl rabhtu gb qrpelcg gung. yrg'f trg gur erny fbyhgvba va cynpr naq abg jbeel nobhg unpxvat hc na vagrevz.`
`20:20.30`	`prot-work`	`~sud`
`20:20.31`		`shut up doug`
`20:20.37`	`Patlabor221`	`doug you want to manyualy calcluate the pgp algo when you send your password?`
`20:20.55`	`JBDiGriz`	`Is crypt available on Win machines?`
`20:21.07`	`doughecka`	`wwhy not :)`
`20:21.09`	`Patlabor221`	`the password thing is a server only change`
`20:21.21`	`larsl_food`	`Don't we already have md5 in the source?`
`20:21.36`	`Patlabor221`	`for G0`
`20:21.38`	`Chestal`	`crypt() would only solve part of the problem`
`20:21.41`	`TimRiker`	`yeah, md5 is in there.`
`20:22.29`	`Chestal`	`the password would still be transmitted as plain text and a server admin would see it when logging messages`
`20:22.43`	`larsl_food`	`The only 'secure' way would be to have a public key system, where the servers send random challenges for the client to decode.`
`20:22.51`	`larsl_food`	`The question is if it's worth it. =P`
`20:23.07`	`Chestal`	`larsl: not for G3, after that: yes`
`20:23.13`	`Chestal`	`eh, G2`
`20:23.47`	`prot-work`	`BLAH`
`20:23.57`	`prot-work`	`a straight install of windows 2k now requires 7 reboots`
`20:24.03`	`larsl_food`	`'make distcheck':`
`20:24.05`	`larsl_food`	`bzflag-1.7g1.tar.gz is ready for distribution`
`20:24.05`	`doughecka`	`impressive`
`20:24.11`	`prot-work`	`larsl_food: yay`
`20:24.11`	`TimRiker`	`heh. do it in a vmware window. ;-)`
`20:24.25`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: these machines have to run windows :(`
`20:24.37`	`TimRiker`	`larsl_food: did you add back all the dirs I had removed?`
`20:24.47`	`larsl_food`	`Didn't touch them.`
`20:24.50`	`prot-work`	`i added back src/geometry/models`
`20:24.58`	`prot-work`	`i think it still needs debian & win32 dirs`
`20:25.42`	`CIA`	`commit by larsl: Miscellaneous build system fixes, 'make distcheck' should work now`
`20:25.45`	`larsl_food`	`TimRiker: I got the data dir symbol into config.h too.`
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`20:26.31`	`TimRiker`	`larsl_food: sweet!`
`20:26.52`	`Tupone`	`TimRiker: make on a separate directory has been fixed ?`
`20:27.17`	`larsl_food`	`-I../../include is still there, I don't know where it's added.`
`20:27.24`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: Yes, it should work now.`
`20:27.55`	`Tupone`	`Try make install! I don't think you have fixed installing data!`
`20:28.21`	`larsl_food`	`Probably not. =)`
`20:28.21`	`Tupone`	`The -I../../include is for including the config.h`
`20:28.53`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: But if you're building in another directory config.h isn't in ../../include.`
`20:28.54`	`prot-work`	`hm, odd`
`20:29.02`	`prot-work`	`AC_CHECK_TYPES isn't working on one of the linux machines`
`20:29.04`	`Tupone`	`It is!`
`20:29.32`	`Tupone`	`It is build with the discovered options macro, etc for the system you are building`
`20:30.09`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: It didn't work for me when I tried to build in another directory, I had to add $(top_srcdir)/include.`
`20:30.36`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`20:31.06`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: re-add Makefile.am`
`20:31.07`	`doughecka`	`XP totaly screwed up TCP/IP`
`20:31.07`	`Tupone`	`I know. For some of my crazyness I put config.h in the include directory just to avoid putting the -I option on the compiler`
`20:31.51`	`prot-work`	`can we remove the ./configure & make from autogen.sh?`
`20:31.52`	`Patlabor221`	`nooldeman can you portscan somone for me?`
`20:31.55`	`Tupone`	`Now if you build in a separate directory you have to put an AM_CPPFLAGS on the Makefile.am`
`20:32.00`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: re-add debian/Makefile.am`
`20:32.15`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: No, that's what I fixed. =)`
`20:32.30`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: I can`
`20:32.40`	`Patlabor221`	`pD9E50D9D.dip.t-dialin.net`
`20:32.46`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:33.16`	`Tupone`	`on every Makefile.am where you compile, except bfzrelay the does not need. It does only include system header files`
`20:33.18`	`doughecka`	`FTP is open`
`20:33.44`	`larsl_food`	`Tupone: No CPPFLAGS needed in the Makefile.ams, it works now.`
`20:33.48`	`larsl_food`	`At least on my system.`
`20:33.58`	`Tupone`	`What do you put instead?`
`20:34.11`	`Tupone`	`INCLUDES ??`
`20:34.26`	`larsl_food`	`CPPFLAGS="$CPPFLAGS \$(top_srcdir)"`
`20:34.29`	`larsl_food`	`in configure.in.`
`20:35.27`	`Tupone`	`understand. Just, I say, it's nothing to be discovered, show it work but I think it's not the better place :(`
`20:35.44`	`Tupone`	`s/show/should/`
`20:36.43`	`Tupone`	`'cause there is a Makefile.am variable for fixed configuration,and is called AM_CPPFLAGS`
`20:37.45`	`prot-work`	`ooh strange`
`20:37.53`	`prot-work`	`it didn't detect a socklen_t for me`
`20:38.13`	`prot-work`	`err`
`20:40.25`	`Tupone`	`have you run autoheader?`
`20:41.40`	`prot-work`	`yeah`
`20:41.56`	`prot-work`	`i'm having issues that gentoo likes to use autoconf 2.13 if it sees a configure.in`
`20:42.07`	`prot-work`	`and for some reason my 2.13 isn't recognizeing AC_CHECK_TYPES`
`20:42.45`	`prot-work`	`ah, there we go`
`20:42.53`	`prot-work`	`export WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5=1`
`20:44.23`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: it seems to be a gentooism`
`20:44.27`	`TimRiker`	`we should use 2.13 feature only. sorry folks, but I think that's the real world.`
`20:44.29`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: 2.13 works fine on the onyx`
`20:44.36`	`TimRiker`	`not on rh 7.3`
`20:44.50`	`prot-work`	`hrm`
`20:45.12`	`Chestal`	`I have 2.13 and 2.50 here, but default ist 2.13`
`20:45.34`	`larsl_food`	`The latest Mandrake still have autoconf 2.13 and automake 1.4.`
`20:45.57`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: avoid TYPE and make config.h local not system`
`20:47.00`	`Tupone`	`Have you tryed AC_CHECK_TYPE? Don't know the difference but it's supported on 2.13`
`20:47.03`	`JBDiGriz`	`Default on MacOS X 2.52`
`20:48.01`	`TimRiker`	`Tupone: hmm. I'll try it...`
`20:49.00`	`TimRiker`	/usr/bin/autoheader: Symbol `socklen_t' is not covered by /usr/share/autoconf/acconfig.h <- which might still be ok?
`20:50.30`	`prot-work`	`autoconf 2.1 docs say that AC_CHECK_TYPE only looks in sys/types.h, stdlib.h & stddef.h`
`20:50.41`	`TimRiker`	`/* #undef _BSD_SOCKLEN_T_ */ <- was that expected?`
`20:51.25`	`larsl_food`	`Hrm, might have to use AC_TRY_COMPILE then.`
`20:52.24`	`prot-work`	`hmmm`
`20:52.30`	`prot-work`	`sgi 1600SWs are so crispy`
`20:53.26`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: include debian directory in dists`
`20:53.50`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: i compiled distcc last friday and started to compile qt on 7 sgis parallel :)`
`20:54.02`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra: qt on sgis?`
`20:54.26`	`prot-work`	`last night on ebay i saw a lot of 17 working indys`
`20:54.28`	`ak\|ra`	`yep, but didnt worked yet. too much errors with mipscompiler. but the vim compile was VERY fast :)`
`20:54.45`	`prot-work`	`err..."presumed working"`
`20:54.47`	`prot-work`	`diskless`
`20:55.23`	`prot-work`	`that'd be funny`
`20:55.32`	`prot-work`	`a gpu cluster =-)`
`20:55.38`	`ak\|ra`	`exactly :))`
`20:56.08`	`ak\|ra`	`lets mainboards work together :))`
`20:56.52`	`prot-work`	`it would work if you could track down a license for dgl >:)`
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`20:58.13`	`prot-work`	`larsl_food: is there any way to make it so that 'make dist' produeced a .tgz instead of .tar.gz?`
`20:58.22`	`prot-work`	`until we move to 1.9 we should keep the versioning the same`
`21:00.33`	`prot-work`	`'specially because the rpm spec wants a .tgz`
`21:01.00`	`larsl_food`	`I don't know - you'd probably have to define your own 'dist' target.`
`21:03.41`	`larsl_food`	`Or we could simply define a 'dist-tgz' target that depends on 'dist' and moves the .tar.gz to .tgz.`
`21:06.49`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: reorder a bit`
`21:25.23`	`Chestal`	`uh, what evil is that?`
`21:25.32`	`Chestal`	`src/ogl/OpenGLTexFont`
`21:25.42`	`Chestal`	`define/enum evilness, most vile`
`21:26.09`	`Chestal`	`what are those ANSI_STR_* for, anyway, the're never used?`
`21:26.30`	`Chestal`	`ah, hmm`
`21:26.34`	`Chestal`	`I guess I'm confused`
`21:26.40`	`prot-work`	`Chestal: those are for console coloring`
`21:26.42`	`Chestal`	`prot-work: it isn't an enum`
`21:26.50`	`Chestal`	`somehow I thought it was an enum`
`21:27.06`	`prot-work`	`naw`
`21:27.09`	`prot-work`	`just some evil defines`
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`21:28.23`	`Chestal`	`I'm still thinking about changign the console look somehow`
`21:28.36`	`Chestal`	`maybe I'll try to use less saturation`
`21:28.40`	`prot-work`	`eh`
`21:29.05`	`prot-work`	`lets just get this out the door, then you can write something where the coloring is completely configurable via "prototypes"`
`21:29.19`	`Chestal`	`nah, I don't need that`
`21:29.32`	`Chestal`	`but it#s important that this colour thing does not keep peopel from updatign to g2`
`21:29.57`	`prot-work`	`i don't think it will`
`21:29.58`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`21:30.00`	`prot-work`	`its turnoffable`
`21:30.12`	`JBDiGriz`	`Except for Spiff.`
`21:30.17`	`Chestal`	`prot: it's not`
`21:30.18`	`prot-work`	`and most people like it after using it for a couple hours`
`21:30.29`	`Chestal`	`prot: you can turn it into somethign that's even more evil`
`21:30.50`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`21:30.54`	`larsl_food`	`After g2 we could add entries in the .bzflag file for all the different colours.`
`21:30.54`	`Chestal`	`prot: I adjusted to it, too. But visibility of chat messges is still less than perfect`
`21:31.12`	`Tupone`	`larsl_food: I found the problem with the -g -O2 repeated. Debugging or not, with gcc now its -g -O2. It's a problem? It's fixable!`
`21:31.13`	`prot-work`	`well...it'd be like xchat's "even message" configuration`
`21:31.33`	`prot-work`	`where you can use format strings (sortof) to format it how you want`
`21:31.42`	`Chestal`	`that's overkill IMHO`
`21:32.31`	`JBDiGriz`	`Tupone: Where did you find the problem?`
`21:32.50`	`Tupone`	`It's written in the autoconf manual.`
`21:33.05`	`Chestal`	`I wonder if it's easy to give text a bakcground colour?`
`21:33.15`	`prot-work`	`Chestal: not currently`
`21:33.17`	`Tupone`	`if AC_PROG_CXX is used without CXXFLAGS setted it gives that option`
`21:33.22`	`Tupone`	`more or less`
`21:33.40`	`prot-work`	`Chestal: ANSI provides codes for that, so it could be implemented (just draw a quad behind the text)`
`21:36.01`	`Tupone`	`I work to fix that (-g -O2)x2 problem.`
`21:42.09`	`prot-work`	`what problems do we have yet to fix before release?`
`21:42.33`	`prot-work`	`there's the AC_CHECK_TYPES issue, (-g -O2)x2, anything else?`
`21:42.38`	`Tupone`	`installing on a separate directory?`
`21:43.02`	`prot-work`	`Tupone: whats the issue there?`
`21:43.39`	`Tupone`	`I ear about configuring in a separate directory.`
`21:43.57`	`Tupone`	`It's a issue for now?`
`21:45.43`	`larsl`	`Tupone: Have you tested it since I committed the fix?`
`21:45.55`	`larsl`	`It works for me.`
`21:46.01`	`Tupone`	`Not yet. Have you installed ?`
`21:46.42`	`larsl`	`I think that some files are installed twice.`
`21:47.52`	`Tupone`	`'cause I make for me that AM_CCPFLAG stuff. Data were not installed. Don't know why? I stopped since you did that configure.in fix`
`21:49.58`	`Tupone`	`I repeat :) I make some different fix in my private directory for building in a separate dir. It seem tha make install didn't work to install data. Then i stopped all`
`21:51.09`	`larsl`	`It installs data for me. The .po files are installed to both share/bzflag and share/bzflag/l10n, though. Where are they supposed to go?`
`21:51.31`	`prot-work`	`larsl: share/bzflag/l10n`
`21:52.01`	`Tupone`	`What's happened to me is just some signal during the install. If your make has proceeded to the end .. no question`
`21:53.06`	`CIA`	`commit by larsl: PO files should only be installed once`
`21:53.07`	`larsl`	`Fixed.`
`21:54.05`	`prot-work`	`for AC_TRY_COMPILE, is FUNCTION-BODY the contents of mail?`
`21:54.09`	`prot-work`	`err`
`21:54.11`	`prot-work`	`main*`
`21:54.40`	`larsl`	`I think so.`
`21:55.36`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: reorder`
`22:00.34`	`prot-work`	/usr/bin/autoheader-2.13: Symbol `HAVE_SOCKLEN_T' is not covered by /usr/share/autoconf/acconfig.h
`22:00.50`	`prot-work`	`from: AC_TRY_COMPILE(unistd.h, [socklen_t a;], [AC_DEFINE(HAVE_SOCKLEN_T)])`
`22:01.21`	`Tupone`	`TimRiker: on bzfrelay.c I followed the autoconf instruction: they say to put #include <config.h> as the first. You changed to #include "config.h". Just to let you know!`
`22:09.04`	`prot-work`	`bah`
`22:09.04`	`prot-work`	`spiff is such a whiner`
`22:09.05`	`Chestal`	`wow, that bug was hard to find`
`22:09.05`	`Chestal`	`sometimes, auto-concatenatin os string literals seems to be a bad thing`
`22:09.05`	`prot-work`	`what bug?`
`22:09.05`	`Chestal`	`but what am I complaingign when I'm using macros anyway`
`22:09.05`	`Chestal`	`just experimenting here`
`22:09.05`	`Chestal`	`I added an item to the ColorStrings[] array, or at least I thought I head`
`22:09.12`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:09.12`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:09.13`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:09.23`	`Chestal`	`can you spot the bug? :-)`
`22:09.34`	`Tupone`	`,`
`22:09.45`	`Chestal`	`yep, bad thing is that the compierl doesn't barf at it`
`22:09.54`	`Chestal`	`because those macros are strign literals`
`22:09.58`	`larsl`	`It concatenates them?`
`22:10.53`	`JBDiGriz`	`In common.h, it still has #include <config.h>. Is there a reason for the '<' instead of the double quotes?`
`22:10.53`	`prot-work`	`Chestal: hehe`
`22:11.18`	`Chestal`	`we still have configs/ because noone could remove it?`
`22:11.41`	`Tupone`	`Its written in this way and explained in the info of autoconf. But don't say to explain you :)`
`22:11.53`	`larsl`	`I don't think they're used anywhere.`
`22:12.20`	`JBDiGriz`	`It used to be there was a difference between <> and "". There's still a difference on the Mac.`
`22:12.33`	`Tupone`	`config, Make-sys, Make-common ... most of them are not used`
`22:12.54`	`larsl`	`Isn't there still a difference in the order it searches the directories?`
`22:13.13`	`Tupone`	`I remember something about the fact that <> does not look in the current directory . Boh`
`22:13.51`	`prot-work`	`seems like for consistency it should be "config.h"`
`22:13.56`	`JBDiGriz`	`It searches different paths. On the mac, it doesn't search the local include directories. Therefore, I get an error.`
`22:14.03`	`Chestal`	`<> only looks at system supplied directories, "" loosk at user-supplied directories as well. The latter usually containt '.'`
`22:14.13`	`Tupone`	`Look at the autoconf info. It try to explain`
`22:14.42`	`JBDiGriz`	`Chestal: That's what I understand, but then it should fail for every compile!?`
`22:15.23`	`Tupone`	Use `#include <config.h>' instead
`22:15.24`	`Tupone`	of `#include "config.h"', and pass the C compiler a `-I.' option (or
`22:15.24`	`Tupone`	`-I..'; whichever directory contains `config.h'). That way, even if
`22:15.24`	`Tupone`	`the source directory is configured itself (perhaps to make a`
`22:15.24`	`Tupone`	`distribution), other build directories can also be configured without`
`22:15.24`	`Tupone`	finding the `config.h' from the source directory.
`22:15.25`	`Chestal`	`hmm, not necesarily, it's possible to add paths for <>`
`22:15.31`	`Tupone`	`Pass from autoconf`
`22:15.54`	`Tupone`	`I put autoconf info...`
`22:16.23`	`JBDiGriz`	`What's the syntax for adding to the system include search path?`
`22:17.06`	`prot-work`	`win 4`
`22:17.13`	`ak\|ra`	`win32: INCLUDE - variable :)`
`22:17.39`	`JBDiGriz`	`How about on a Unix/Linux system? :)`
`22:18.08`	`ak\|ra`	`CFLAGS="-Ifoo"`
`22:19.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`Last I checked, that was the local include search path, not the system.`
`22:19.08`	`prot-work`	`anybody have any thoughts on my autoheader issue?`
`22:19.18`	`Chestal`	`JBD: not really`
`22:19.44`	`Chestal`	`JBD: the paths specified with -I are searched righ tbefore the system paths, and this is done fo rboth <> and ""`
`22:20.33`	`JBDiGriz`	`Chestal: That's my understanding of the current situation. I was a bit surprised to get the error in Mac's Project Builder.`
`22:21.37`	`Chestal`	`oh my, it's takign me a long time, to get this "quck" test working`
`22:24.50`	`Tupone`	`prot-work: apart from the problem (make install work now, and I'm fixing debug) I suppose we have to update at least the README`
`22:25.12`	`Chestal`	`if I just had a clue about gl`
`22:25.25`	`prot-work`	`hmm`
`22:25.28`	`prot-work`	`autoheader templates...`
`22:25.54`	`ak\|ra`	`Chestal: whats the problem�`
`22:27.46`	`Chestal`	`hm, it kinda works now`
`22:28.47`	`ak\|ra`	`what are you trying to do?`
`22:29.04`	`prot-work`	`ARG`
`22:29.17`	`prot-work`	`i'm defining the autoheader template now, why won't it generate config.h.in??`
`22:29.58`	`Chestal`	`this resetstate() code when underlining looks a bit scary, but then it's maybe because I have no clue about gl`
`22:30.15`	`Chestal`	`akira: eperimenting with highlighting chat messages by using a bg colour`
`22:30.39`	`prot-work`	`hmm...local acconfig.h :P`
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`22:31.22`	`Tupone`	`prot-work: What do you think about lefting debug option while compiling and linking. You can always make install-strip if you like.`
`22:31.44`	`Tupone`	`And if it work :))`
`22:31.58`	`TimRiker`	`Tupone: my understanding is that "system" files get <> and "local" files get ""`
`22:32.28`	`Tupone`	`You get the explanation from the autoconf info. I can repeat again here:`
`22:32.44`	`Tupone`	The package should `#include' the configuration header file before
`22:32.44`	`Tupone`	`any other header files, to prevent inconsistencies in declarations (for`
`22:32.44`	`Tupone`	example, if it redefines `const'). Use `#include <config.h>' instead
`22:32.44`	`Tupone`	of `#include "config.h"', and pass the C compiler a `-I.' option (or
`22:32.44`	`Tupone`	`-I..'; whichever directory contains `config.h'). That way, even if
`22:32.45`	`Tupone`	`the source directory is configured itself (perhaps to make a`
`22:32.47`	`Tupone`	`distribution), other build directories can also be configured without`
`22:32.49`	`Tupone`	finding the `config.h' from the source directory.
`22:33.14`	`Tupone`	`Really don't understand all :))`
`22:33.16`	`larsl`	`Hm, maybe we shouldn't have config.h in include/ ?`
`22:33.32`	`ak\|ra`	`Chestal: query`
`22:33.47`	`TimRiker`	`that does not say <> though does it?`
`22:33.56`	`TimRiker`	`oh... me reads the rest...`
`22:34.53`	`larsl`	`Since we have to define include/ as a header directory we might accidentally include include/config.h instead of the one in the current build directory.`
`22:35.49`	`Tupone`	`But if you build in a separate directory, config.h will be on your own directory`
`22:36.36`	`Tupone`	`And I try, the system does not allow to configure a separate directory when the main have been configured`
`22:36.48`	`larsl`	`That's true.`
`22:37.07`	`TimRiker`	`wierd....`
`22:37.21`	`TimRiker`	`ok, adding back with a comment....`
`22:39.44`	`prot-work`	`yay it works`
`22:39.46`	`TimRiker`	`since we've nuked the config.h.in now, I think we can move config.h to . instead of include. thoughts?`
`22:40.23`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: what works?`
`22:40.32`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: AC_TRY_COMPILE for HAVE_SOCKLEN_T`
`22:40.37`	`prot-work`	`2.13 compatible`
`22:41.04`	`JBDiGriz`	`Just put it in double quotes instead of angle brackets, and I'll be happy! :)`
`22:41.06`	`TimRiker`	`sweet`
`22:41.28`	`Tupone`	`Asking to left debug symbol. You can always strip with make install-strip.`
`22:41.52`	`Tupone`	`Agree?`
`22:41.55`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: autoconf wierdness`
`22:42.32`	`prot-work`	`i think make install should strip the binary unless --enable-debug`
`22:42.34`	`Tupone`	`OK! We'll do later. Now I commit the (-g -O2)x2 fix`
`22:43.17`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: whitespace`
`22:43.24`	`TimRiker`	`so does configure.in get rebuilt on some platforms?`
`22:43.45`	`TimRiker`	`Tupone: agreed`
`22:44.57`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: use AC_TRY_COMPILE for socklen_t, add install-strip to rpm spec`
`22:46.39`	`CIA`	`commit by atupone: fix the (-g -O2)x2 compilation flag`
`22:48.22`	`Tupone`	`Who is in charge of updating README. New people has to know how to build. Better an English people.`
`22:49.08`	`Chestal`	`README could just say: "read INSTALL" :)`
`22:49.40`	`Tupone`	`INSTALL is too much generic :'(`
`22:50.10`	`larsl`	`Isn't it enough?`
`22:50.17`	`larsl`	`It says exactly how to do it.`
`22:50.31`	`Tupone`	`autogen.sh ????`
`22:50.36`	`prot-work`	`ok, time to get tardists building`
`22:51.10`	`larsl`	`With autogen.sh you can't specify install directories and other configure options.`
`22:51.29`	`ak\|ra`	`howi hate the new configure :)`
`22:51.35`	`ak\|ra`	`so many errors`
`22:51.36`	`prot-work`	`i think the ./configure & make should be removed from autogen.sh`
`22:51.45`	`prot-work`	`so that the script only creates ./configure`
`22:51.45`	`Tupone`	`Yes. But INSTALL is written by autogen`
`22:52.35`	`Tupone`	`We should say something. I can write something if you like, but documento can be somehow incoherent`
`22:52.46`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: oops`
`22:53.35`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, guys. i got the newest -r v1_7 cvs version and want to compile it. autogen.sh was executed. and now i got _alotta_ errors`
`22:53.50`	`TimRiker`	`try again. I broke bzfrelay.c`
`22:54.14`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: me?`
`22:54.26`	`Tupone`	`ak\|ra: You need automake and autoconf! You got ?`
`22:54.37`	`ak\|ra`	`Tupone: ... of coz`
`22:54.49`	`Chestal`	`akira: errors in which stage? compiling already?`
`22:54.51`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: yep, you bad and evil guy`
`22:54.51`	`TimRiker`	`ak\|ra: yeah. do a "cvs up" and see if things work`
`22:55.05`	`ak\|ra`	`its working better than before :)`
`22:55.10`	`prot-work`	`hehe`
`22:56.36`	`ak\|ra`	`that wouldnt be enough babe :)`
`22:57.00`	`CIA`	`commit by timriker: add win32/ to dist`
`22:57.04`	`Chestal`	`cyan on blue hurts my eyes`
`22:58.20`	`TimRiker`	`why acconfig.h ?`
`22:58.32`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: because 2.13 needs it`
`22:58.43`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: k.`
`22:59.05`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: i hunt u with sw`
`22:59.11`	`prot-work`	`TimRiker: any opinion on irix installing into /usr instead of /usr/local ?`
`22:59.24`	`ak\|ra`	`prot-work: /usr/freeware`
`22:59.24`	`Patlabor221`	`whoot, the KFJ is inbound.`
`22:59.39`	`prot-work`	`ak\|ra: good point`
`23:00.17`	`ak\|ra`	`zisch`
`23:00.30`	`TimRiker`	`prot-work: nope. whatever is the norm for the platform works for me.`
`23:00.39`	`ak\|ra`	`what is bzwtransform?`
`23:00.58`	`TimRiker`	`~kfj`
`23:00.59`	`Noodlebot`	`kfj is kung fo jacket`
`23:01.01`	`Patlabor221`	`an app that makes maps based on logical transfomations`
`23:01.40`	`TimRiker`	`oh yeah... should it be added back into the distro?`
`23:01.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know if anyone uses it`
`23:02.06`	`Patlabor221`	`BZedit does a similar function`
`23:03.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I think the rest of the world concurs with you.`
`23:03.27`	`TimRiker`	`might fit better at the bzflag/bzedit level of cvs.`
`23:03.59`	`Patlabor221`	`more then likely`
`23:04.16`	`TimRiker`	`do bots default to on now?`
`23:04.18`	`Patlabor221`	`a "tools" folder in cvs perhaps?`
`23:04.38`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: sure.`
`23:05.12`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: make it actually use the socklen test`
`23:05.23`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`23:05.55`	`larsl`	`I get warnings when running autoheader.`
`23:06.14`	`prot-work`	`larsl: deprecation warnings? unavoidable :P`
`23:06.20`	`larsl`	`OK.`
`23:06.43`	`Tupone`	`I wrote something on the README file. Should I commit or what (write here??)`
`23:07.51`	`TimRiker`	`add it to the README so we can see/edit it there. do not yet remove old stuff.`
`23:08.23`	`TimRiker`	`well, you can remove stuff that is incorrect as long as the new stuff completely covers the same topic.`
`23:08.36`	`Tupone`	`OK . so I commit now`
`23:08.52`	`Chestal`	`the backgroudn colour now _really_ makes chat messages stand out`
`23:09.34`	`Chestal`	`not quite sure what do do with transparent console`
`23:12.34`	`CIA`	`commit by atupone: building system changed to automake`
`23:13.17`	`ak\|ra`	`who the fu is cia ? :)`
`23:13.58`	`Patlabor221`	`commit bot`
`23:14.04`	`larsl`	`You know you're doing good when the textbox is full of blinking names. =)`
`23:14.06`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`23:14.20`	`Chestal`	`somethign is strange about the server mesages, liek welcoem messages, lagstats etc.`
`23:14.29`	`JBDiGriz`	`unless they're blinking because they killed you :P`
`23:14.33`	`Chestal`	`there seems to be a difference between welcome and other messages`
`23:14.47`	`Chestal`	`they are coloured differently by the client`
`23:15.11`	`larsl`	`Chestal: I noticed that when I wrote bzadmin too.`
`23:15.29`	`larsl`	`Welcome messages are from "(UNKNOWN)", other server messages are from yourself.`
`23:15.38`	`Chestal`	`should be fixed somehow, as soon as I understand it`
`23:15.49`	`Chestal`	`ah, then it's probably related to the old/new id hack`
`23:16.14`	`Chestal`	`messages from myself to myself are all white now`
`23:16.20`	`Tupone`	`bzfs compilation problem?`
`23:16.28`	`Chestal`	`maybe they should be cooured differently`
`23:16.53`	`larsl`	`Those are server messages, so people might want them to be highlighted somehow.`
`23:18.42`	`larsl`	`Bah, XEmacs refuses to syntax color bzfs.cxx.`
`23:18.49`	`larsl`	`"Buffer too big". =P`
`23:19.39`	`ak\|ra`	`muhahr`
`23:19.43`	`ak\|ra`	`vim rulez :)`
`23:20.27`	`ak\|ra`	`larsl: ever tried the gvim scp://foo@bar.com//kungfoo.txt ?`
`23:20.29`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`23:20.43`	`larsl`	`Vim is evil. =)`
`23:20.55`	`ak\|ra`	`bzfs.cxx ... just 8265 lines .. easy for vim :))`
`23:21.10`	`larsl`	`Strange though, it has worked fine in XEmacs before.`
`23:21.34`	`ak\|ra`	`xemacs -> 20 mb constant swapping. emacs -> the only reason for lisp :))`
`23:21.47`	`larsl`	`No swapping. =)`
`23:22.54`	`TimRiker`	`that's a playerid mangling artifact.`
`23:23.13`	`Tupone`	`Nobody get bfzs compilation problems?`
`23:23.30`	`larsl`	`Everything builds for me.`
`23:23.50`	`Tupone`	I got: ../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: In function `int uread(int, int)':
`23:23.50`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:2531: invalid conversion from `unsigned int*'
`23:23.50`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:23.50`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: In function `bool serverStart()':
`23:23.50`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:2977: invalid conversion from `unsigned int*'
`23:23.51`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:23.53`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: In function `void acceptClient()':
`23:23.55`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:4109: invalid conversion from `unsigned int*'
`23:23.57`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:23.59`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx: In function `void addClient(int)':
`23:24.01`	`Tupone`	../../../bzflag/src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:4205: invalid conversion from `unsigned int*'
`23:24.03`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:25.03`	`prot-work`	`Tupone: looks like its not correctly finding that you have socklen_t ?`
`23:25.27`	`Tupone`	`perhaps it's working only with the 2.13?`
`23:25.59`	`larsl`	`Nope, I have 2.57.`
`23:27.17`	`Tupone`	`In the config.h _BSD_SOCKLEN_T_ is commented`
`23:27.27`	`prot-work`	`Tupone: its "HAVE_SOCKLEN_T"`
`23:27.49`	`prot-work`	`_BSD_SOCKLEN_T_ was something that it seems to put in on its own, i couldn't get it to set it`
`23:29.45`	`Tupone`	`Sorry. _BSD_SOCKLEN_T_ is me that I set. I was trying to find the correct symbols. Wait a moment`
`23:32.45`	`Tupone`	`autoheader say me those:`
`23:32.48`	`Tupone`	WARNING: Using auxiliary files such as `acconfig.h', `config.h.bot'
`23:32.48`	`Tupone`	WARNING: and `config.h.top', to define templates for `config.h.in'
`23:32.48`	`Tupone`	`WARNING: is deprecated and discouraged.`
`23:32.48`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:32.48`	`Tupone`	WARNING: Using the third argument of `AC_DEFINE' and
`23:32.51`	`Tupone`	WARNING: `AC_DEFINE_UNQUOTED' allows to define a template without
`23:32.53`	`Tupone`	WARNING: `acconfig.h':
`23:32.55`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:32.57`	`Tupone`	`WARNING: AC_DEFINE([NEED_MAIN], 1,`
`23:32.59`	`Tupone`	WARNING: [Define if a function `main' is needed.])
`23:32.59`	`prot-work`	`yay tardist works =)`
`23:32.59`	`prot-work`	`Tupone: ignore those`
`23:33.01`	`Tupone`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:33.03`	`Tupone`	`WARNING: More sophisticated templates can also be produced, see the`
`23:33.05`	`Tupone`	`WARNING: documentation.`
`23:33.52`	`CIA`	`commit by davidtrowbridge: irix tardist`
`23:34.29`	`prot-work`	`i think its time to go home`
`23:34.47`	`Tupone`	`Variable is there now. Hope it work`
`23:35.07`	`Chestal`	`got chat messages with background highlighting working now`
`23:35.20`	`Chestal`	`not sure it works good with a transparent console`
`23:35.31`	`Chestal`	`the backgroudn is 100% opaque so far`
`23:35.52`	`Tupone`	`bzfs is ok now! Than`
`23:37.34`	`TimRiker`	`can we get X and GL stuff off the link line for bzfs/bzfls/bzfrelay ?`
`23:38.26`	`Tupone`	`You mean building just the server?`
`23:38.56`	`Tupone`	`s/server/servers`
`23:38.57`	`TimRiker`	`no. I mean linking the server to X/GL is not a good thing.`
`23:39.39`	`TimRiker`	`++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../../include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include -D_BSD_SOURCE -D_POSIX_SOURCE -I../../include -Wall -W -mcpu=i686 -fno-exceptions -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -c bzfs.cxx`
`23:39.40`	`TimRiker`	`^Qc++ -fno-exceptions -O2 -ffast-math -fomit-frame-pointer -fexpensive-optimizations -L/usr/X11R6/lib -o bzfs bzfs.o ../net/libNet.a ../common/libCommon.a -lGLU -lGL -lXi -lXxf86vm -lXext -lm`
`23:40.26`	`Tupone`	`I understand but I suppose being library no GL or X code will be part of the executable. No function will call it>`
`23:40.42`	`TimRiker`	`server does not use -lGLU -lGL -lXi -lXxf86vm -lXext and for debian the server is a separate .deb and this line causes it to require X and GL which might not be installed on a server.`
`23:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`ie for timr@juicy:~/bzflag$ ldd src/bzfs/bzfs`
`23:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.15`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.17`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.19`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.21`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.23`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.25`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.27`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.29`	`TimRiker`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:41.35`	`Tupone`	`I was wrong!`
`23:42.35`	`*** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@172-199.dynamic.visi.com)`
`23:42.47`	`Chestal`	`uhoh, just found out that 'generate tabs' in my editor does more than I bargained for`
`23:42.53`	`TimRiker`	`building just the servers would be a nice option too. With the current build order, the servers finish before the make fails.`
`23:43.04`	`Chestal`	`I hope I didn't already commit some transformed code in the past`
`23:43.15`	`Tupone`	`I will think about. When are you releasing the code?`
`23:43.20`	`TimRiker`	`RSN`
`23:43.25`	`ak\|ra`	`has bzflag a coding style? something like Lindent ?`
`23:43.34`	`Chestal`	`when someones wants to test my color change: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/bgpatch`
`23:43.40`	`Tupone`	`I'm Italian RSN???`
`23:43.46`	`TimRiker`	`ak\|ra: nothing formal at present. see the DEVEL docs`
`23:43.50`	`TimRiker`	`~rsn`
`23:44.07`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: rsn is Real Soon Now`
`23:44.07`		`TimRiker: okay`
`23:44.15`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: where?`
`23:44.23`	`ak\|ra`	`DEVINFO?`
`23:44.35`	`TimRiker`	`yeah. sorry.`
`23:44.40`	`michaelh2`	`ak yes`
`23:45.16`	`ak\|ra`	`TimRiker: its worth to define an indent rule ...`
`23:45.23`	`michaelh2`	`there is one`
`23:45.24`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`23:45.58`	`Chestal`	`I say: get rid of all the tabs in the future, they're evil`
`23:46.28`	`michaelh2`	`I can't even tell what's a tab and what's space with VC++`
`23:46.50`	`michaelh2`	`easy to make one program do that.....`
`23:47.57`	`ak\|ra`	`i dont like tabs too`
`23:48.19`	`ak\|ra`	`but with an indent alias i could convert it to bzflag-conform format`
`23:48.29`	`michaelh2`	`any thought of a common.cxx I put in a simple tokenizer into common.h, since there is no common.cxx`
`23:48.41`	`michaelh2`	`common.h that is`
`23:49.02`	`ak\|ra`	`LINK : warning LNK4049: locally defined symbol "__control87" imported -> one has an idea?`
`23:49.16`	`michaelh2`	`hmmm`
`23:49.49`	`michaelh2`	`is it possible for a project to get completely fubared via CVS? I'm just curious :)`
`23:50.17`	`ak\|ra`	`ok, i am to tired now`
`23:50.19`	`ak\|ra`	`cu laters`
`23:51.02`	`Chestal`	`n8 akira`
`23:52.39`	`Tupone`	`TimRiker: If I don't fall sleeping, You get soon that X, GL separation`
`23:54.14`	`TimRiker`	`AC_CHECK_LIB(GL, glBegin, [LIBS_GL="$LIBS_GL -lXft"]) and a linker line change should work, yes?`
`23:54.31`	`TimRiker`	`perhaps GUILIBS or similar?`
`23:55.30`	`TimRiker`	`michaelh2: huh? you mean does cvs mess with your source? well, it does expand some keywords if you are not careful that might mess you up. and it tries to do crlf conversion if you don't tell it not to.`
`23:55.32`	`Tupone`	`Something like that. There is a place to put that on bzflag Makefile.am bzflag_LDADD`
`23:56.15`	`Tupone`	`I mean doing that using X_LIBS`
`23:56.22`	`TimRiker`	`since that's the only X/GL/GLU binary perhaps you can talk AC_CHECK_LIB into changing that one directly?`
`23:56.32`	`michaelh2`	`na, Tim I meant like people try out so many features at one time -- or a couple of people make mistakes.... that suddenly it doesn't compile or anything :)`
`23:57.04`	`TimRiker`	`michaelh2: it's easy to distribute broken code, yes. but the history is there so you can back up.`

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