| 00:00.01 | doughecka | http://planetside.station.sony.com/images/screenshots/ps_screenshot_506.jpg |
| 00:00.03 | doughecka | sweet |
| 00:01.35 | doughecka | what happens if you die? |
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| 00:21.29 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 00:21.32 | captain_proton | need to find somewhere to eat |
| 00:21.41 | sussudio | throw stuff on plate. |
| 00:21.59 | sussudio | ~ramen |
| 00:22.00 | | well, ramen is the midnight food of any good programming geek |
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| 00:29.57 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 00:29.58 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 00:30.19 | rooter | well at least you all addicts aren't playing bz on a friday night |
| 00:31.38 | sussudio | <Zer0Cool> why is it that anything i try to MAKE crashes my system and everything freezes ? <sussudio> Zer0Cool: crap hardware <Zer0Cool> i got great hardware <sussudio> Zer0Cool: no, you do not. |
| 00:31.39 | sussudio | snort. |
| 00:31.59 | rooter | interesting |
| 00:32.05 | rooter | well... not really |
| 00:32.22 | rooter | but i felt like i should say something |
| 00:32.25 | rooter | ibot right? |
| 00:32.26 | | rooter: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 00:32.27 | sussudio | squeel |
| 00:32.36 | rooter | ibot no i haven't |
| 00:32.36 | | rooter: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 00:33.05 | rooter | sussudio: are you bunnies? |
| 00:33.24 | sussudio | rooter: are you rootpig? |
| 00:33.57 | rooter | bunnies! |
| 00:34.01 | sussudio | pig! |
| 00:34.03 | rooter | well that explains alot |
| 00:34.14 | sussudio | it does? |
| 00:34.17 | rooter | what are you doing on IRC on a friday night? |
| 00:34.19 | rooter | sure |
| 00:34.32 | rooter | when you are tipsy everything explains a lot |
| 00:34.34 | sussudio | friday night? it's 02:35am |
| 00:34.50 | rooter | well... it's only 8:34 PM here |
| 00:35.30 | sussudio | your clock must be slow then |
| 00:35.53 | rooter | lol.. by about 6 hours |
| 00:36.00 | rooter | that would put you around... germany |
| 00:36.12 | sussudio | not really |
| 00:36.17 | rooter | ph |
| 00:36.18 | rooter | oh |
| 00:36.28 | rooter | well... at least in the same time zone |
| 00:36.38 | sussudio | i got about the same ping as chestal on ducati :-| |
| 00:36.51 | rooter | that only covers a small vertical slice of the worl |
| 00:36.59 | rooter | well... he's in Germany |
| 00:37.06 | sussudio | about norway to antarctica |
| 00:37.31 | rooter | yeah... you live in antartica? |
| 00:37.36 | sussudio | nope |
| 00:37.42 | sussudio | but my penguinpig does |
| 00:37.51 | rooter | i'll bet there aren't very good connections in antartica |
| 00:38.05 | sussudio | they're getting fibre |
| 00:38.09 | rooter | odd.. i thought that penguinpigs prefer warmer weather |
| 00:38.25 | rooter | why not just use satalite? |
| 00:38.38 | rooter | well... i need to make me a new drink |
| 00:38.44 | sussudio | lagged, low bandwith |
| 00:38.56 | sussudio | i think it even needs to store most and offload it later |
| 00:39.42 | rooter | it depends on what kind of satalite connection |
| 00:39.52 | rooter | but that's not what i'm here to talk about |
| 00:40.10 | sussudio | so it'll lag as much as iluxa |
| 00:40.25 | sussudio | or maybe CapN |
| 00:41.08 | captain_proton | satellite can be very high bandwidth |
| 00:41.11 | captain_proton | but its always high latency |
| 00:41.14 | rooter | CapN doesn't lag that much... now Chick! |
| 00:41.20 | sussudio | or Pig Barrel |
| 00:41.20 | rooter | yes... upload sucks |
| 00:41.28 | rooter | my boss has satalite |
| 00:41.42 | rooter | it's fairly good down. |
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| 00:44.55 | rooter | ~kumquat |
| 00:44.55 | | from memory, kumquat is a any of several small yellow to orange citrus fruits with sweet spongy rind and somewhat acid pulp that are used chiefly for preserves |
| 00:45.15 | rooter | i like kumquats |
| 00:45.25 | rooter | well... bye all |
| 00:45.43 | sussudio | cu pig |
| 00:45.55 | doughecka | speed of light and all that |
| 00:46.15 | ksuther | Anybody ever have this error? |
| 00:46.21 | sussudio | no |
| 00:46.23 | doughecka | nope |
| 00:46.26 | ksuther | FATAL: fglX11CMMFreeSurface: firegl_FreeBuffer() failed! |
| 00:46.30 | ksuther | You fools :-p |
| 00:48.13 | ksuther | Anybody? :\ |
| 00:50.06 | doughecka | kaboom |
| 00:50.17 | ksuther | Yes, but I want to fix it :-D |
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| 00:51.30 | doughecka | greetings |
| 00:51.33 | captain_proton | ksuther: looks like an internal driver error |
| 00:51.38 | sussudio | a vital step in getting help in a channel is to start by calling the people fools |
| 00:51.55 | ksuther | captain_proton: Yea, but UT2k3 works, which is annoying :\ |
| 00:52.42 | doughecka | ut2k3 != bzflag |
| 00:52.42 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:53.01 | ksuther | :-p |
| 00:53.26 | ksuther | Which is odd, because you'd think the less demanding game would work, and the more demanding one wouldn't |
| 00:53.29 | doughecka | even though we would welcome patches that would make bzflag look like it :) |
| 00:53.29 | captain_proton | ksuther: since its erroring on a function thats part of the driver and never called by bzflag, i'd talk to the firegl driver maintainer |
| 00:53.39 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 00:53.40 | | shut up doug |
| 00:53.56 | ksuther | What's even weirder, is it stopped working for no reason |
| 00:53.58 | ksuther | :\ |
| 00:54.18 | ksuther | You're not very helpful |
| 00:54.33 | captain_proton | ksuther: there's not really anything i can help with :P |
| 00:54.54 | captain_proton | unless you can get me a detailed traceback from that point |
| 00:55.01 | doughecka | its just what you said came out of a book |
| 00:55.02 | ksuther | I was talking to doughecka, not you :) |
| 00:55.03 | doughecka | :) |
| 00:55.19 | captain_proton | ksuther: no, he's not very helpful |
| 00:55.20 | captain_proton | :) |
| 00:55.46 | ksuther | Oh well |
| 00:55.51 | ksuther | I'll keep working on it |
| 00:55.57 | captain_proton | luck to ya |
| 00:55.59 | ksuther | Oh, I have an idea... |
| 00:56.05 | doughecka | try reinstalling the OS? |
| 00:56.09 | ksuther | No way |
| 00:56.23 | ksuther | I don't want to watch all my packages compile again |
| 00:56.28 | doughecka | gentoo? |
| 00:56.31 | ksuther | Ya |
| 00:56.34 | sussudio | HAHAHAHA |
| 00:56.35 | doughecka | hah |
| 00:56.37 | ksuther | lol |
| 00:57.09 | ksuther | What's wrong with Gentoo? :( |
| 00:57.14 | captain_proton | ksuther: absolutely nothing |
| 00:57.21 | ksuther | ok :) |
| 00:57.28 | captain_proton | ksuther: you must realize that sussudio is a militant debian user and doughecka is incompetant |
| 00:57.34 | ksuther | ah |
| 00:57.35 | doughecka | amen and amen |
| 00:57.45 | ksuther | Only time I tried using debian, the installer continually crashed on me |
| 00:57.51 | ksuther | So that didn't work so well :D |
| 00:58.35 | ksuther | Well, I'm gonna try to get this to work |
| 00:58.47 | ksuther | Thanks |
| 00:58.49 | doughecka | good luck :) |
| 01:07.00 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 01:07.10 | captain_proton | autoconfiscation looks quite complete |
| 01:08.39 | captain_proton | arg |
| 01:08.50 | captain_proton | i need access to an sgi machine with a licensed compiler to test it |
| 01:33.07 | captain_proton | eeegh |
| 01:33.10 | captain_proton | gotta upgrade gcc |
| 01:44.06 | captain_proton | any devs present? |
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| 03:38.23 | Chestal | grmpf |
| 03:38.56 | captain_proton | mornin' chestal |
| 03:39.16 | Chestal | there are clouds near the horizon blocking my view |
| 03:39.39 | captain_proton | :( |
| 03:40.55 | Chestal | I'll try and wait a little longer, than it's back to bed with me :-) |
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| 04:13.17 | creeperz | ? |
| 04:13.21 | creeperz | Wow |
| 04:13.28 | creeperz | Topic protection |
| 04:13.48 | creeperz | How...low |
| 04:13.53 | creeperz | And degrading |
| 04:14.05 | creeperz | There's a dog in my room |
| 04:14.10 | creeperz | A white dog |
| 04:14.17 | creeperz | I have a black dog |
| 04:14.57 | creeperz | Mees is reading up on "Elements of Programming with Perl" |
| 04:16.25 | creeperz | Then onto "Learning Perl" |
| 04:16.52 | creeperz | Darn |
| 04:16.58 | creeperz | Wish Tim was here :-/ |
| 04:17.03 | creeperz | ~seen TimRiker |
| 04:17.03 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 6h 1m 23s ago, saying: 'but does /quit mean exit the client? or shutdown the server? ;-)'. |
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| 04:38.16 | Patlabor221 | can't I'm drivin the truc |
| 04:39.43 | fiberchunks_ | wha? |
| 04:40.13 | Patlabor221 | well now I just drove the APC |
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| 04:42.00 | Patlabor221 | the galaxy is cool but it's a pigh |
| 04:56.34 | fiberchunks_ | gentoo is up and running on my box - hooray! now dl'ng and compiling the 'essentials' |
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| 05:05.26 | captain_proton | hiya MrApathyCream |
| 05:17.53 | MrApathyCream | howdy |
| 05:18.20 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:19.01 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:19.15 | captain_proton | we've started merging, but tim isn't really involved |
| 05:19.29 | captain_proton | discussed earlier that it may make sense for someone else to take over as maintainer |
| 05:19.40 | Patlabor221 | did he even comment on that? |
| 05:19.56 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:20.11 | Patlabor221 | what did he say? |
| 05:20.18 | captain_proton | said that its very possible, and that he's sorta been "in the way" for a good while |
| 05:21.05 | MrApathyCream | i nominate Mr. wiggly |
| 05:21.11 | captain_proton | ooh |
| 05:21.39 | MrApathyCream | although he sometimes tends to be difficult to follow |
| 05:23.40 | Patlabor221 | did anyone voleneere? |
| 05:24.05 | captain_proton | i'm sorta toying with the idea of volunteering |
| 05:24.25 | captain_proton | especially if i can get my army of ninja monkeys |
| 05:24.26 | Patlabor221 | be a difrent game when you got done :) |
| 05:24.39 | captain_proton | well |
| 05:24.46 | captain_proton | it would certainly be an actively developed game :P |
| 05:24.48 | Patlabor221 | ohh you need me to get them outa there cages? |
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| 05:31.41 | Patlabor221 | how woudl you change it from tims "vision"? |
| 05:31.55 | fiberchunks | lo |
| 05:31.56 | captain_proton | eh i dunno |
| 05:32.04 | Patlabor221 | more monkey? |
| 05:32.07 | captain_proton | i'd actually be perfectly happy to continue in his |
| 05:32.17 | fiberchunks | what is the bz vision? |
| 05:32.28 | captain_proton | but you can bet that backwards compatibility between versions would be out the window |
| 05:32.41 | Patlabor221 | but would you still keep the "throw your fave feature on the cvs wall" and see if it sticks? |
| 05:32.52 | Patlabor221 | or would you make some sort of plan |
| 05:32.53 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 05:33.17 | captain_proton | probably some sort of plan for major things like network retooling, etc |
| 05:33.29 | captain_proton | but i like the sticky feature thing |
| 05:34.07 | Patlabor221 | I think that will never let you get any realy BIG things done |
| 05:34.40 | captain_proton | well - thats for random new features that people come up with |
| 05:34.51 | fiberchunks | did you guys quiz tim at all today about the project? |
| 05:34.54 | captain_proton | but we do need to get people to cooperate on big things |
| 05:35.35 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: a bit |
| 05:35.43 | fiberchunks | what was his inclination? |
| 05:37.06 | captain_proton | seemed like a cross between agreeing & apathy |
| 05:37.17 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:38.39 | MrApathyCream | sorry, i wasn't involved |
| 05:38.47 | MrApathyCream | must have been someone else? |
| 05:38.59 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry but it realy seems like he dosn't give a hoot. |
| 05:39.00 | captain_proton | must have been |
| 05:39.59 | captain_proton | well |
| 05:40.06 | captain_proton | he may give a hoot but its not a high priority for him right now |
| 05:40.26 | Patlabor221 | then delegate |
| 05:41.42 | captain_proton | hopefully we can get this all decided in the next few days, then get g2 out |
| 05:43.18 | MrApathyCream | i'd do it the other way around |
| 05:43.42 | MrApathyCream | kick g2 out, it's too old to stay at home |
| 05:43.43 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: tim hasn't had time to cut the release for the last two months.... |
| 05:43.54 | MrApathyCream | why do we need him to cut the release? |
| 05:44.14 | captain_proton | we're not so sure we do anymore :P |
| 05:44.22 | MrApathyCream | Can't he just say ickity, ackity, ookity, go do it? |
| 05:45.02 | MrApathyCream | i've been cutting the win32 version for several revs now. |
| 05:45.13 | MrApathyCream | you can do the *nix ones |
| 05:45.42 | captain_proton | not quite so easy |
| 05:45.47 | captain_proton | for instance |
| 05:45.55 | captain_proton | i can't do debian or redhat packages |
| 05:45.58 | captain_proton | well |
| 05:46.01 | captain_proton | i might be able to do redhat |
| 05:46.03 | captain_proton | at work |
| 05:46.30 | Patlabor221 | you have a shell on asgard, it's redhat |
| 05:46.40 | MrApathyCream | well if redhat and win32 show up on sourceforge as "RELEASED! CRUSHING MONKEY'S RELEASE" |
| 05:46.40 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: is it nvidia redhat? |
| 05:46.48 | MrApathyCream | you can bet others will volunteer to do others |
| 05:46.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah I think so |
| 05:47.00 | captain_proton | that won't work then |
| 05:47.13 | captain_proton | plus i'd need to grill tim about it |
| 05:47.16 | MrApathyCream | HEH, i'll post win32 then :) |
| 05:47.16 | Patlabor221 | don't think I ever installed drivers tho |
| 05:47.24 | captain_proton | because its a funky process thats different than the docs say |
| 05:47.45 | captain_proton | well right now i'm working on integrating the automake/autoconf patch |
| 05:47.47 | MrApathyCream | got ta love 'operating' systems |
| 05:47.52 | captain_proton | so cutting the source release will be easy |
| 05:47.56 | captain_proton | 'make dist' |
| 05:50.34 | MrApathyCream | i'll call it win g1-1/2 |
| 05:52.32 | MrApathyCream | that's livin' |
| 05:52.41 | captain_proton | isn't it though? |
| 05:53.25 | MrApathyCream | btw, did riker say whether or not he saw his shadow? |
| 05:53.43 | captain_proton | no he didn't |
| 05:53.56 | fiberchunks_ | heh, does that mean six weeks more until g2? |
| 05:53.57 | MrApathyCream | rats 6 more weeks of coding |
| 05:54.05 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 05:54.13 | captain_proton | didn't say* |
| 05:55.00 | fiberchunks_ | ooooo, i think i'm fallin for gentoo -- how nice this distro is (besides the initial learning curve anyway) |
| 05:55.34 | captain_proton | so lessee |
| 05:55.46 | captain_proton | we need to get people to sign up for makin' packages |
| 05:56.11 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: can you label cvs? |
| 05:56.21 | fiberchunks_ | is it an involved process? i could do one for mandrake if it ain't that tough |
| 05:56.27 | fiberchunks_ | never done it before |
| 05:56.45 | captain_proton | fiberchunks_: i think the rpm build is probably the trickiest one :P |
| 05:56.53 | fiberchunks_ | lol, of course |
| 05:56.57 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: you mean tag? yeah, i'll have to read up on it though, been a while |
| 05:57.12 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 05:57.24 | captain_proton | i think anyone with commit access can do it |
| 05:57.31 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 05:58.03 | captain_proton | on the other hand, i'm not sure just anyone is allowed to post a release on sf |
| 05:58.23 | MrApathyCream | i think you need admin rights |
| 05:58.34 | MrApathyCream | riker twiddle some bits for me, iirc |
| 05:58.59 | captain_proton | we can probably drop support for o32 mips |
| 05:59.06 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:59.08 | MrApathyCream | and powerpc |
| 05:59.13 | captain_proton | should figure out how to build a package for n32 mips though |
| 05:59.31 | captain_proton | you mean ppc rpm? |
| 05:59.37 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 05:59.47 | captain_proton | yeah, unless someone wants to build one for us |
| 06:00.57 | captain_proton | i should try to switch the irix builds over to gcc on monday |
| 06:02.30 | captain_proton | then we can go with reckless abandon so long as it compiles on linux gcc3 & windows |
| 06:06.39 | MrApathyCream | woot |
| 06:07.08 | MrApathyCream | till then |
| 06:35.40 | captain_proton | haha Patlabor221 |
| 06:35.44 | captain_proton | i like your new sig on bzbb |
| 06:36.22 | Patlabor221 | ninjas |
| 07:06.31 | Patlabor221 | bah this game is unplayable on this card |
| 07:06.43 | Patlabor221 | runs on a GF2 my ass |
| 07:08.56 | captain_proton | which game? |
| 07:09.45 | captain_proton | what a great song this is |
| 07:11.58 | Patlabor221 | planetside |
| 07:12.02 | captain_proton | ah |
| 07:12.04 | captain_proton | got the demo? |
| 07:13.52 | Patlabor221 | there is no demo |
| 07:14.07 | captain_proton | bought a sub? |
| 07:14.44 | fiberchunks_ | there is no spoon |
| 07:15.01 | Patlabor221 | I just picked it up |
| 08:35.16 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 08:35.19 | captain_proton | big commit |
| 08:43.57 | fiberchunks_ | X and flux are running now :) |
| 08:44.07 | fiberchunks_ | and gentoo's version of bz |
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| 09:02.26 | fiberchunks | nice |
| 09:02.45 | fiberchunks | foo |
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| 09:17.00 | Mayhem | mornin' all |
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| 10:05.31 | strayer | hiho... |
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| 10:49.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 10:54.11 | strayer | hey [TeA|TrEE]...havn't seen 4 a long long time ;p |
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| 10:56.20 | [dmp] | oops |
| 10:56.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | hehe# |
| 10:56.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | #gay-elite| tea|tree |
| 10:58.32 | [dmp] | "Will the real unix owner, please stand up" -> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=65718&cid=6057100 :-) |
| 11:05.17 | strayer | [dmp]: hehe...someone had to much freetime :) |
| 11:10.54 | [dmp] | strayer: yeah :)I think most slashdotters got too much time :) |
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| 13:31.58 | Mecworks | ibot: seen timr? |
| 13:31.58 | | Mecworks: i haven't seen 'timr' |
| 13:32.07 | Mecworks | ibot: seen timriker? |
| 13:32.07 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 15h 16m 27s ago, saying: 'but does /quit mean exit the client? or shutdown the server? ;-)'. |
| 13:32.32 | Mecworks | ibot: thanks |
| 13:32.32 | | Mecworks: no worries |
| 13:32.33 | doughecka | hrm |
| 13:34.00 | doughecka | waste sounds pretty cool |
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| 13:45.39 | larsl | GLfloat == float ? |
| 13:49.45 | Mayhem | hi dmp |
| 13:51.26 | Mayhem | or should that be \[dmp\] :) |
| 13:56.57 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 13:57.05 | [dmp] | hi Mayhem |
| 13:57.55 | Mayhem | you coding today? |
| 13:59.42 | [dmp] | well be in a few minutes |
| 14:02.00 | [dmp] | will even. |
| 14:04.55 | [dmp] | I offered my help to my gfs brother for his homepage. But as I do this free of charge, i think im entitled to choose when i do this (i didnt promise anything). He wants me to call some dude right now and start working on it. I dont want to do that today. He gets angrey, i hate talking with a person who just wanna tell me know disappointed he is, not listiign to my reasosn.. I say bye and hangs up... and now, i just feel like finding a tank for m |
| 14:04.55 | [dmp] | e and him and solve this "problem" right now on ducati :-) |
| 14:05.28 | doughecka | hrm |
| 14:11.31 | [dmp] | If he paid me, i could see his point. OH well, better stop beeing nice, and just charge per hour :-) |
| 14:12.31 | Mayhem | hmm, not good if he is upset at you when you were doing it for nothing... |
| 14:13.38 | [dmp] | He is very much. Well, I have no intention for helping him now. Think the whole deal is childrish. |
| 14:13.51 | [dmp] | Time is better used coding someting "else" :-) |
| 14:15.37 | Mayhem | indeed :) |
| 14:20.25 | Mayhem | [dmp]: can I pick your brain about the league site? |
| 14:20.36 | [dmp] | sure |
| 14:20.42 | [dmp] | pick away :) |
| 14:21.23 | Mayhem | heh. obviously its very broken at the moment, but I understand the main parts |
| 14:22.12 | [dmp] | Good. |
| 14:22.14 | Mayhem | are you intending the templates to be like in 'old' or totally different. |
| 14:23.37 | Mayhem | ie. would I use old/home.php as a base for new templates? |
| 14:24.27 | [dmp] | Yeah, until we got a new design. |
| 14:24.57 | Mayhem | ok, so old means the design, not the style of code. |
| 14:25.42 | [dmp] | Yep. |
| 14:27.29 | Mayhem | i like the object orientation and seperation of code, very different to my usual style ;) |
| 14:28.19 | [dmp] | Mayhem: cool :) Glad you arent new to that idea :) |
| 14:28.31 | [dmp] | I hate when stuff get too mixed. |
| 14:28.54 | [dmp] | only quick'n'dirty sites like the ladder is all-in-one :) |
| 14:29.59 | Mayhem | I usually break out common functions etc, but tend to have it all (code + html) in one file |
| 14:30.04 | [dmp] | Actually I used a template-class to store html in at first. But I guess having a php-template file is both more flexible and faster. |
| 14:30.44 | *** part/#bzflag Mecworks (marc@208.186.182.173) |
| 14:30.49 | Mayhem | you are still ending up with html with bits of php in it, but at least its just references to var etc. |
| 14:31.30 | [dmp] | Yeah, but then its only layout related. Looping through variables ot make a list and such. |
| 14:32.04 | Mayhem | yeah. that the un-lazy way to do it :) |
| 14:32.18 | [dmp] | :) |
| 14:34.22 | [dmp] | Would you like me to commit bzforums so you can take at look at this (its more complex than "home" and "login") .. it isnt done yet, but you can view the stuff ive written so far. |
| 14:35.39 | Mayhem | think I'll stay away from the forums for now, as that is probably the most complex bit :) |
| 14:36.16 | Mayhem | am working on the match results as an easing-in project |
| 14:36.28 | [dmp] | that and mail. but you can view the code as an example of how the new structure works |
| 14:37.49 | Mayhem | if you think login doesn't give enough of an example... |
| 14:39.00 | [dmp] | I think its okay :). I hope someday that login can be simplified :) |
| 14:40.20 | Mayhem | hmm, gotta change my editor so I don't change all you tabs to spaces :) |
| 14:40.41 | [dmp] | thanks :) |
| 14:46.08 | Mayhem | have you done the login template? |
| 14:47.44 | [dmp] | yes |
| 14:48.14 | [dmp] | ah, i didnt commit it |
| 14:48.47 | [dmp] | they are now |
| 14:49.31 | Mayhem | ah, mucho better :) |
| 14:50.31 | Mayhem | took me a while last night to work out why nothing was working. All files were mode 640, so apache couldn't read em. |
| 14:50.41 | [dmp] | yeah, i had that problem too. |
| 14:51.05 | [dmp] | you need to change that each time cvs toutches the files. Dont know how to avoid this |
| 14:51.56 | Mayhem | hmm |
| 14:53.51 | Mayhem | not sure if it derived from the permissions of the files in the cvsroot... |
| 14:55.42 | [dmp] | "drwxr-xr-x 4 cvsd cvsd 4096 May 16 18:30 bzleague" |
| 14:57.24 | Mayhem | what about the .php,v files? |
| 14:58.27 | [dmp] | -r--r----- 1 cvsd cvsd 7491 May 22 17:12 index.php,v |
| 14:59.47 | [dmp] | But you cvs-account is a virtual one. Only CVS knows of your user (no mayhem shell account exists), so Im not sure how it handles the attributes. |
| 15:00.58 | Mayhem | I know I've had this problem in the past, but never remember the details. The files themselves are only ever read by the cvsd user, so thats not a problem. |
| 15:03.22 | Mayhem | quote from the cvsbook: But please don't ask why the files themselves are read-only -- there are historical reasons for that, having to do with the way RCS works when run as a standalone program. |
| 15:03.38 | [dmp] | =) |
| 15:58.02 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~bigbarrel@adsl-65-67-133-149.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 15:58.08 | Big_Barrel | hi dmp |
| 15:58.14 | [dmp] | hi |
| 15:58.18 | Big_Barrel | ~insult [dmp] |
| 15:58.19 | Noodlebot | [dmp], thou wilt be as valiant as the wrathful dove, or most magnanimous mouse. |
| 15:58.27 | [dmp] | odd that you cant read my text anymore :-\ |
| 15:58.38 | Big_Barrel | yes it is very strange |
| 15:58.47 | [dmp] | ~big_barrel |
| 15:58.48 | | big_barrel is probably a dude without a life |
| 15:58.48 | Noodlebot | big_barrel is probably a dude without a life |
| 15:58.50 | Big_Barrel | ~[dmp] |
| 15:58.51 | | is reachable at dennismp@users.sf.net |
| 15:58.57 | [dmp] | :) |
| 15:59.02 | Big_Barrel | lol, i really like ibot |
| 15:59.05 | [dmp] | still works |
| 15:59.35 | jraitala | hello |
| 15:59.39 | [dmp] | hi jraitala |
| 15:59.40 | Big_Barrel | ~x de en das Gleichgewicht wird zum Verlust |
| 15:59.53 | [dmp] | SILENCE Big_Barrel |
| 15:59.53 | Big_Barrel | hi fraitala |
| 15:59.54 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:00.06 | Big_Barrel | n***jraitala |
| 16:00.06 | jraitala | bb, dmp |
| 16:00.34 | [dmp] | Big_Barrel: you just get empty messages? |
| 16:00.43 | Big_Barrel | yes |
| 16:00.56 | Big_Barrel | what icq client do you use? |
| 16:01.02 | Big_Barrel | AIM? |
| 16:01.02 | [dmp] | what if you look into the history-buffer? are they empty as well there? |
| 16:01.05 | [dmp] | Miranda icq |
| 16:01.11 | Big_Barrel | hmmm |
| 16:01.17 | rooter | ~dmp |
| 16:01.17 | | dmp is, like, all that and a bag of chips |
| 16:01.19 | Big_Barrel | let me check history |
| 16:01.32 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 16:01.35 | Big_Barrel | ~rooter |
| 16:01.36 | | from memory, rooter is a curious guy |
| 16:01.36 | [dmp] | Big_Barrel: you are the only one (who told me) that have this problem |
| 16:01.37 | [dmp] | *grr* |
| 16:01.43 | rooter | hello |
| 16:01.48 | [dmp] | hi :) |
| 16:02.06 | doughecka | rooter is a curious guy? |
| 16:02.26 | Big_Barrel | well now my text is blank |
| 16:02.35 | [dmp] | :) |
| 16:02.45 | [dmp] | kidna sounds like a problem on your end, triggered by me. |
| 16:02.54 | rooter | doughecka: that's what the all mighty ibot says |
| 16:03.18 | Big_Barrel | yes |
| 16:03.29 | Big_Barrel | it also happens with fanta also |
| 16:03.35 | Big_Barrel | sometimes |
| 16:03.46 | [dmp] | you know which icq he uses? |
| 16:03.50 | Big_Barrel | i have tried reinstalling icq |
| 16:04.00 | Big_Barrel | no clue what he uses |
| 16:04.54 | [dmp] | mm odd. Well i dont wanna hear you join-me-cryouts anyway :-p |
| 16:05.24 | rooter | does anybody here have an ipod? |
| 16:05.42 | [dmp] | Not me. |
| 16:05.49 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
| 16:05.50 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:07.53 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra_ (~mathias@pD9E472A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:40.27 | Big_Barrel | dmp r u there? |
| 16:41.24 | [dmp] | yep |
| 16:41.36 | Big_Barrel | nevermind i think chestal got it :) |
| 16:41.40 | Big_Barrel | i need someone kicked |
| 16:41.45 | Big_Barrel | tk |
| 16:41.53 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
| 16:41.54 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:43.34 | Big_Barrel | dmp? |
| 16:43.37 | Big_Barrel | r u there? |
| 16:43.56 | Big_Barrel | chestal is bussy can you come kick cedric, he is a team killer |
| 16:44.25 | Big_Barrel | nevermind he left :) |
| 16:50.17 | [dmp] | :) |
| 17:03.20 | Chestal | sf https is dead? |
| 17:09.42 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@81.68.134.159) |
| 17:09.42 | Chestal | how does this new autoconf stuff work? |
| 17:10.24 | sussudio | i think asdf is PMSing or something |
| 17:10.42 | sussudio | [Team] asdf (ProXS): seriously, go get thier fucking flag asshole |
| 17:13.50 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-173-106-21.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 17:13.51 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 17:15.05 | Chestal | hi Pat |
| 17:18.01 | Patlabor221 | hi |
| 17:18.53 | Chestal | do you know how this automake stuff is supposed to work? |
| 17:19.07 | Chestal | I guess I can ignore it for now because the old build system is still in place |
| 17:19.16 | Patlabor221 | nope, I've never ever been able to get automake to work for me, even for non bz stuff |
| 17:21.23 | Patlabor221 | why? do you realy like green and brown? |
| 17:21.38 | Chestal | hmm, intersting, autogen.sh has the x flags set, soemthign whcihI always wanted for misc/bzfqueries.pl |
| 17:22.05 | Chestal | months ago someone said this could not be achieved, obviously it can :-) |
| 17:23.23 | Patlabor221 | realy anything can be done, it's just who spends the time to do it. |
| 17:23.51 | Patlabor221 | didn't someone also get it to build on windows with cygwin? |
| 17:23.57 | fiberchunks | morning all |
| 17:24.02 | Chestal | Pat; there's a patch for cygwin |
| 17:24.05 | Patlabor221 | suo |
| 17:24.10 | Chestal | hi fiber |
| 17:24.26 | Patlabor221 | may want to put that in the release, since it gives a way to compile on windows for free. |
| 17:24.36 | Patlabor221 | if it dosn't jack up the other stuff |
| 17:25.45 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~bigbarrel@adsl-65-67-133-149.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 17:25.49 | Big_Barrel | r u there dmp? |
| 17:26.01 | [dmp] | Big_Barrel: No, not now, im gonna eat within a few minutes |
| 17:26.12 | Big_Barrel | ok maybe later :) |
| 17:26.16 | [dmp] | sure :) |
| 17:29.39 | Chestal | hmm, interesting, the mac files have +x, too |
| 17:29.43 | *** join/#bzflag Secret_Hamster (piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 17:30.42 | larsl | Chestal: Did you get the autotools patch to work? |
| 17:31.22 | Chestal | larsl: I haven't tried, I'm not familiar with it |
| 17:31.36 | Chestal | right now, I'm trying tosolve the mystery of the +x |
| 17:33.30 | *** join/#bzflag ak|ra (~mathias@pD9E472A4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:33.39 | larsl | OK. It worked OK for me, I just unpacked the tarball into the bzflag directory and run autogen.sh. |
| 17:33.41 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:34.44 | Chestal | tarball? |
| 17:34.50 | Chestal | hi akira |
| 17:34.53 | larsl | We probably shouldn't add it to CVS until we're really sure that it works though, since it generates Makefiles that overwrites the current ones. |
| 17:35.02 | Chestal | it already is in CVS |
| 17:35.17 | larsl | Really? |
| 17:35.29 | Chestal | looks like proton added it last night |
| 17:35.38 | larsl | Oh, there it is. |
| 17:36.14 | ak|ra | hi Chestal |
| 17:38.50 | Chestal | interesting, the cvs info file says that file permissions get lost when transferrign files to/from the repository, but I see +x flags nevertheless |
| 17:39.33 | larsl | Me too. |
| 17:43.02 | larsl | I suppose it means 'all permissions except +x'. =) |
| 17:44.08 | larsl | Because it would be annoying if you had to make all scripts executable when you check out a new working directory. |
| 17:44.33 | Chestal | and how would I add +x to misc/bzfquery.pl now? |
| 17:45.45 | Mayhem | if you make the repository file executable, it will be checked out with +x |
| 17:46.04 | Chestal | and how would I do this? |
| 17:46.41 | larsl | Might be some 'cvs admin' command. |
| 17:47.05 | Mayhem | hmm, on sourceforge I don't know, you don't have shell access do you? |
| 17:47.16 | larsl | Or it might not be possible once you've added the file. |
| 17:47.23 | Chestal | there is shell access, but I'm not sure if we can access the repository directly |
| 17:47.30 | larsl | I don't think so. |
| 17:47.35 | Chestal | nonetheless, this hasn't happened for the files which have +x for sure |
| 17:47.51 | Mayhem | Quote from cvsbook: When you import or add an executable file, CVS preserves the executable bits, so if the permissions were correct from the start, you have nothing to worry about. However, if you accidentally add the file before making it executable, you must go into the repository and manually set the RCS file to be executable. |
| 17:48.09 | Chestal | uah |
| 17:48.10 | Chestal | that sucks |
| 17:48.19 | larsl | I have a couple of other scripts in 'misc' that are executable. |
| 17:48.44 | larsl | You could post a support request on the Alexandria project. =) |
| 17:50.22 | Chestal | so without direct access to the repository it looks like I woudl have to remove and readd the file to add +x? |
| 17:50.48 | larsl | That might not work either. |
| 17:50.56 | Mayhem | I'm trying to find some info about a PreservePermissions option in CVS... |
| 17:51.07 | larsl | CVS keeps a file in the repository even if it's marked as deleted. |
| 17:52.29 | Chestal | it would delete the file's history anyway, which is not good |
| 17:53.13 | Patlabor221 | I think it's time for a good old fasioned sty cleaning |
| 17:54.36 | Mayhem | time to switch to subversion? ;) |
| 17:56.17 | Patlabor221 | After I make this apt. no stink, I'm going to test admin fucntions, if those work, does anyone want to try it on other OSs? |
| 17:56.51 | larsl | What OSs are 'other'? |
| 17:57.14 | doughecka | linux |
| 17:57.14 | doughecka | :) |
| 17:57.15 | larsl | I can test it on MDK 9.1. =) |
| 17:57.20 | Chestal | 'admin functions' ? |
| 17:57.22 | doughecka | I can test on XP |
| 17:57.25 | Patlabor221 | I am goaing to test on windos |
| 17:57.39 | Patlabor221 | and rh9 if it will be nice |
| 17:57.44 | Chestal | debian here |
| 17:57.45 | Patlabor221 | so realy anyone |
| 17:57.59 | sussudio | ~kick doug |
| 18:05.45 | Chestal | I'm testing the 'easy admin' patch |
| 18:08.19 | Patlabor221 | so is this like a bzflag coupe? |
| 18:08.35 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p50911EDB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:08.38 | fiberchunks | nah, it's a bzflag sedan :) |
| 18:08.43 | strayer | hi |
| 18:09.12 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't have 4 doors |
| 18:09.29 | fiberchunks | no, but it has a damn fine paint job :) |
| 18:10.16 | Patlabor221 | you would have to remap the UVs |
| 18:10.19 | Chestal | the patch seems to be ok, one minor flaw which I detected: for /lagwarn, it sends "/lagwarn " when I do not specify a threshold, the server will then set it to zero |
| 18:10.28 | Chestal | mayeb this should be changed in the parsign of the lagwarn command anyway |
| 18:10.56 | strayer | @all: is it possible to call bzflag with arguments...so that automatically server and port R set and I only have to connect? |
| 18:11.29 | Chestal | bzflag -port 5156 ducati.bzflag.org |
| 18:11.32 | Chestal | I think it autoconnects |
| 18:11.57 | Patlabor221 | you can also do -callsign right? |
| 18:12.11 | strayer | cool...I will try it....when it works I can combine it with the server- / playerlist ... :) |
| 18:12.13 | Chestal | yes, "bzflag -h" works, too |
| 18:12.24 | strayer | oki |
| 18:12.41 | Patlabor221 | wow too may beer bootles in here |
| 18:12.53 | fiberchunks | good night last night? |
| 18:12.57 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 18:13.00 | strayer | seems so ;) |
| 18:13.04 | Patlabor221 | they have been collecting for some time |
| 18:13.18 | fiberchunks | ah -- i have a collection like that as well |
| 18:13.33 | Patlabor221 | last night was planetside no time to drink |
| 18:13.45 | Patlabor221 | tho now I have to get a new vid card in this machine |
| 18:13.49 | strayer | Chestal: yeah...it works.... :) |
| 18:16.36 | doughecka | Patlabor221: um, a new one? I thought you swapped cards weekly |
| 18:22.07 | Big_Barrel | ~x en de do you want a match or not? |
| 18:22.44 | Big_Barrel | ~x en de would you like a match or not |
| 18:24.24 | Chestal | anyone else tested the easy admin patch? |
| 18:24.29 | Big_Barrel | ~x en de i must smoke |
| 18:24.45 | Big_Barrel | ~x en de must |
| 18:25.02 | Big_Barrel | ~x en de i need to smoke |
| 18:27.10 | sussudio | ~x en de pig barrel |
| 18:27.43 | fiberchunks | what's the key code to do the fancy SS in xchat? |
| 18:28.08 | doughecka | SS? |
| 18:28.14 | doughecka | like the german b looking thing? |
| 18:28.22 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 18:28.35 | fiberchunks | it's ss, i.e. Schweinfass |
| 18:28.59 | doughecka | hrm |
| 18:29.11 | doughecka | dont know how xchat does that kind of stuff |
| 18:29.34 | Mayhem | its the OS that does it... |
| 18:29.53 | fiberchunks | hrm -- wonder how i do that |
| 18:35.17 | larsl | ß |
| 18:35.27 | fiberchunks | how'd you do that? |
| 18:35.31 | larsl | Alt-S. |
| 18:35.36 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 18:35.39 | Big_Barrel | ~insult sussudio |
| 18:35.40 | Noodlebot | thy breath stinks with eating toasted cheese, sussudio |
| 18:35.53 | doughecka | :Þ |
| 18:35.57 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 18:35.58 | doughecka | unicode is fun |
| 18:36.04 | fiberchunks | hrm -- won't do it for me |
| 18:36.22 | doughecka | :ø |
| 18:36.52 | fiberchunks | phbbt |
| 18:37.00 | larsl | fiberchunks: It depends on your X settings. |
| 18:37.04 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 18:37.20 | fiberchunks | what am i missin, any idea? |
| 18:37.32 | doughecka | money? |
| 18:37.49 | fiberchunks | yeah, that's true |
| 18:38.25 | sussudio | ~pig Big_Barrel |
| 18:38.26 | | Big_Barrel is 58% pig! |
| 18:39.49 | doughecka | ~particle of the day |
| 18:39.50 | | magneto-ionized proton |
| 18:40.08 | doughecka | captian_magneto-ionized_proton |
| 18:40.20 | sussudio | ~berserker |
| 18:43.38 | Patlabor221 | wow seting up my own cvs server was like the best thing I ever did :) |
| 18:44.41 | Patlabor221 | here let me get that for ya |
| 18:44.46 | *** kick/#bzflag [doughecka!~jeffm@adsl-64-173-106-21.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net] by Patlabor221 (Patlabor221) |
| 18:44.46 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 18:45.26 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:45.28 | *** part/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 18:45.31 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 18:45.44 | doughecka | odd, what was that? |
| 18:46.03 | Patlabor221 | a boot to da head! |
| 18:46.22 | doughecka | no ban? |
| 18:46.33 | doughecka | huh, my client thought I was still in there |
| 18:46.36 | Patlabor221 | "you too shall be honored to learn a lesson" |
| 18:46.49 | Patlabor221 | well I can test it again |
| 18:46.55 | doughecka | no thanks |
| 18:47.08 | doughecka | how is planetside? |
| 18:47.25 | Patlabor221 | rather fun |
| 18:47.31 | Patlabor221 | dosn't quire run right here tho |
| 18:47.37 | Patlabor221 | quite even |
| 18:47.52 | doughecka | ah, thats why you need a an other video card |
| 18:47.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:48.02 | Patlabor221 | maybe, or a clean install |
| 18:48.06 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:48.28 | Patlabor221 | it's rather cool to take a facility with like 40 or 50 other people |
| 18:48.34 | doughecka | wow |
| 18:48.48 | doughecka | in other games you would be lucky to get 5 to help you |
| 18:48.49 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:48.54 | doughecka | ah, hows that work? |
| 18:49.11 | Patlabor221 | I go and get a Mesquito, fly over and shoot stuff |
| 18:49.13 | doughecka | click bomb this spot and run? :) |
| 18:49.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:49.19 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:49.19 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:49.23 | Patlabor221 | I don't have bombs |
| 18:49.24 | doughecka | brrb |
| 18:49.33 | Patlabor221 | right now just a light chanigun |
| 18:50.27 | Big_Barrel | , /kick ibot |
| 18:50.36 | Big_Barrel | >>>>/kick ibot |
| 18:50.39 | Patlabor221 | I need to get certified for the rever |
| 18:50.48 | sussudio | kick barrel |
| 18:51.50 | doughecka | ah, cool |
| 18:52.07 | doughecka | so what happens if you get killed? |
| 18:52.08 | Patlabor221 | moslty I can do anti-infantry |
| 18:52.21 | doughecka | you loose all your money? |
| 18:52.24 | Patlabor221 | you have a number of respawn choices |
| 18:52.27 | Patlabor221 | there is no money |
| 18:52.36 | doughecka | creds? |
| 18:52.44 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:52.50 | doughecka | you dont like have to buy your aircraft? |
| 18:52.52 | doughecka | ah, I see |
| 18:52.52 | Patlabor221 | you requisition all you need |
| 18:52.53 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:52.54 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:53.06 | Patlabor221 | you go to a air terminal and just hit the button |
| 18:53.08 | Patlabor221 | and it makes one |
| 18:53.15 | doughecka | haah |
| 18:53.25 | doughecka | a instant-aircraft machine |
| 18:53.26 | Patlabor221 | "nanites" |
| 18:53.29 | Big_Barrel | how do you load ibot on a channel? |
| 18:53.33 | doughecka | you don |
| 18:53.35 | doughecka | you dont |
| 18:53.42 | Patlabor221 | he's set to a specific group |
| 18:53.51 | Big_Barrel | how do i set him? |
| 18:53.58 | doughecka | how much does it cost? :) |
| 18:53.58 | Patlabor221 | you don't |
| 18:54.03 | doughecka | it sounds so neat |
| 18:54.07 | Patlabor221 | the game? or the monthy? |
| 18:54.12 | Big_Barrel | ok....how do i get my own ibot? |
| 18:54.13 | doughecka | hrm |
| 18:54.16 | doughecka | both |
| 18:54.18 | doughecka | total |
| 18:54.29 | Patlabor221 | basicly you can requision anything you are certified for |
| 18:54.39 | Patlabor221 | and you get more certs the higher you go in battle rank |
| 18:54.49 | Big_Barrel | how do i get my own iboT? |
| 18:54.50 | Patlabor221 | game goes for between 40 and 50 |
| 18:55.01 | doughecka | ouch |
| 18:55.07 | doughecka | well, it aint too bad |
| 18:55.10 | Patlabor221 | BB you get the blotbot perl script, config it and run it |
| 18:55.16 | doughecka | plus a monthly fee |
| 18:55.18 | Patlabor221 | doug then 13 a month |
| 18:55.36 | Big_Barrel | where do i get the script from? |
| 18:55.37 | Patlabor221 | less if you sign up for more then one month at a time |
| 18:55.43 | Patlabor221 | ~ibot |
| 18:55.43 | | well, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 18:55.43 | Noodlebot | ibot is a retard |
| 18:55.44 | | Noodlebot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 18:56.16 | doughecka | shew |
| 18:56.20 | Big_Barrel | thx |
| 18:56.46 | Patlabor221 | I would like to get galaxy certified at some point |
| 18:56.50 | Patlabor221 | but I'll have to level more |
| 18:57.02 | doughecka | whats that? |
| 18:57.03 | Patlabor221 | I can't even hack stuff now |
| 18:57.08 | Patlabor221 | the huge transport |
| 18:57.16 | doughecka | ooh |
| 18:57.17 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:57.37 | Patlabor221 | sometimes I fly cover for them |
| 18:57.42 | Patlabor221 | but I realy need to get a reaver |
| 18:58.07 | doughecka | sounds like something with a big rail gun |
| 18:58.30 | Patlabor221 | I need one more level for that, and 24 hours for my reinforced exo cert to be turned in, then I will have enough cert point to get the reaver cert |
| 18:58.45 | Patlabor221 | it's got cannons and rockets |
| 18:59.00 | doughecka | cool |
| 18:59.23 | Patlabor221 | the nice thing about the mosquito is it's so small it dosn't show on radar |
| 18:59.30 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:00.25 | Patlabor221 | sometimes I drive the ANT truck too, to refeul facilities |
| 19:03.27 | Patlabor221 | yay the room is clean |
| 19:04.25 | fiberchunks | booooo - you should always have a certain level of filth -- makes it look 'lived in' :) |
| 19:04.58 | Patlabor221 | well it's my version of "clean" |
| 19:05.10 | Patlabor221 | basicly it dosn't stink |
| 19:05.15 | Patlabor221 | and most of the crap is off the floor |
| 19:05.21 | Patlabor221 | and I have forks I can use again. |
| 19:05.36 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 19:05.51 | fiberchunks | i have a collection of cancer stick boxen |
| 19:05.59 | Patlabor221 | does need a vacumin tho |
| 19:06.31 | fiberchunks | what's the date today? |
| 19:06.39 | fiberchunks | ~date |
| 19:06.43 | | Sat May 31 19:06:43 2003 |
| 19:06.45 | Patlabor221 | 5-31 |
| 19:06.45 | doughecka | 31 |
| 19:06.50 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 19:06.52 | Patlabor221 | day before rent id due |
| 19:07.10 | fiberchunks | yeah -- i suppose i should do my checkbook today |
| 19:07.33 | Patlabor221 | I thankfully only have to write 1 check a month |
| 19:07.45 | fiberchunks | wow -- how so fortunate? |
| 19:07.46 | Patlabor221 | ok morgate payment then |
| 19:07.58 | Patlabor221 | its just the rent that takes a check |
| 19:08.03 | Patlabor221 | everything else is online |
| 19:08.07 | doughecka | pah |
| 19:08.08 | Patlabor221 | I just get a mail and click it |
| 19:08.15 | Patlabor221 | and it's payed |
| 19:08.19 | sussudio | paid |
| 19:08.25 | Patlabor221 | that too :) |
| 19:08.36 | doughecka | paiyed |
| 19:08.37 | Patlabor221 | phone, DSL, power, gas, and sat |
| 19:08.58 | Patlabor221 | car insurance does the same |
| 19:09.08 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:09.09 | fiberchunks | what bill pay service? |
| 19:09.09 | Patlabor221 | car payment is auto deducted from my paycheck |
| 19:09.23 | Patlabor221 | no, all the utils here have pay by net options |
| 19:09.59 | fiberchunks | oh, lucky you |
| 19:10.09 | Patlabor221 | for the car payment, I loaned myself the money to pay for it, so it's auto deduct :) |
| 19:10.29 | Patlabor221 | 401K loan, it's cool you pay intrest, but the interst goes back into your own account. |
| 19:10.59 | doughecka | crazy |
| 19:11.22 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 19:11.47 | Patlabor221 | I've seen lots of 401k plans that let you do that |
| 19:12.12 | Patlabor221 | like you can also take a big ol chunk out to get your first house if you need it |
| 19:12.13 | doughecka | no, the whole pay onlinme thing |
| 19:12.18 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 19:12.22 | Patlabor221 | makes it a lot easyer |
| 19:12.28 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:12.43 | doughecka | "and heres my 10 year old check book" |
| 19:12.55 | Patlabor221 | and I don't have to ballance my checkbook on paper, it's all tracked online |
| 19:13.00 | sussudio | your checkbook for 10 year olds |
| 19:13.04 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:13.38 | Patlabor221 | I can even request a payday advance online if I need to get something realy big, or need some extra cash |
| 19:13.48 | doughecka | hah |
| 19:14.18 | Patlabor221 | since all my paychecks are direct deposit |
| 19:14.38 | doughecka | so you dont get a paper paycheck |
| 19:14.39 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:15.07 | Patlabor221 | it's not a check, but I get a paper stub |
| 19:15.17 | doughecka | hah |
| 19:15.17 | Patlabor221 | that shows pay, and taxes and stuff |
| 19:15.35 | Patlabor221 | then I just pitch them into a drawer, cus they are allways thes same |
| 19:15.41 | Patlabor221 | except for like the last 2 of the year |
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| 19:16.17 | Patlabor221 | they are usualy a tad higher, cus the tax deductions are lower since our pay company allways screws up |
| 19:16.46 | doughecka | cool |
| 19:17.44 | Chestal | hmm, I wonder if anyone thought of localization when doing any of the recent changes |
| 19:17.57 | Patlabor221 | probably not |
| 19:18.01 | Patlabor221 | I know I didn't |
| 19:18.16 | doughecka | sheesh |
| 19:18.17 | Chestal | I haven't thought of it, either, but I'm not sure if I did any relevant changes |
| 19:18.19 | Patlabor221 | is there a standard way of geting strings? |
| 19:18.53 | doughecka | I have gone through over 5 ethernet cards trying to get linux on the network |
| 19:19.53 | Patlabor221 | any idea why makehtml and man2html are in the windows project |
| 19:19.59 | Patlabor221 | when they don't even work on windows? |
| 19:20.04 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:20.37 | Chestal | Pat: strings get autoconverted in all the right places :-) |
| 19:21.07 | Chestal | Patlabor: well, the idea is to provide windows users with HTML versions of the man pages, but don't ask me any details |
| 19:21.39 | Patlabor221 | how do they get auto converted? are they read from a file? or a translator thing? |
| 19:21.54 | Patlabor221 | and I kow about the HTML man page thing, it's just the utilitys don't work on windows |
| 19:22.00 | Patlabor221 | that do the conversion |
| 19:22.07 | Patlabor221 | yet they are in the dsw |
| 19:22.12 | Patlabor221 | and the installer is in there |
| 19:22.24 | Patlabor221 | and we don't use the old bz installer/uninstaller anymore |
| 19:22.33 | Patlabor221 | it's all nsis |
| 19:22.36 | Chestal | Patlabor: there are locale files and two classed Bundle and BudleMgr |
| 19:22.56 | Chestal | in some places, there's code like std::string text = BundleMgr::getCurrentBundle()->getLocalString(std::string((char*)msg)); |
| 19:23.01 | Patlabor221 | do you need to call the bundle manager to get the strings? |
| 19:23.13 | Patlabor221 | odd but ok |
| 19:23.30 | Patlabor221 | I didn't see that anywhere in the server side code |
| 19:23.51 | Chestal | I guess the server itself isn't localized |
| 19:23.58 | Chestal | but the client might autotranslate some server messages |
| 19:24.10 | Patlabor221 | I've never seen a system do that |
| 19:24.20 | Patlabor221 | usualy it's just an index into a string list or something |
| 19:24.32 | Patlabor221 | then you replace the string list with local versions at run time |
| 19:24.50 | Chestal | the index is the english string here |
| 19:24.56 | Chestal | I guess it's a map |
| 19:25.15 | Chestal | usually, you don't have to care, when you add strings tothe code |
| 19:25.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah, then you could say if you don't find the translation just use the english |
| 19:25.33 | Chestal | if you don't do anythign about it, they'll work, but will not be translated I think, unless they have been used elsewhere already |
| 19:25.34 | Patlabor221 | just difrent then I normaly see |
| 19:25.37 | Patlabor221 | seems slower |
| 19:26.00 | Chestal | yes, it adds some overhead at runtime |
| 19:26.04 | Patlabor221 | for lots of text you would be doing a number of map lookups |
| 19:26.57 | Patlabor221 | damn I need a PDC here, the net is screwy |
| 19:26.59 | Chestal | I'm not 100% sure how it works, IIRC, MAC added it |
| 19:27.09 | Chestal | so, what do you think of the easy admin patch? |
| 19:27.18 | Patlabor221 | I have not tried it |
| 19:27.26 | Patlabor221 | but it sounds like a good idea |
| 19:27.31 | Chestal | only glitch I see now is that it takes a parameter for /countdown, but this is a command which doesn't expect parameters |
| 19:27.36 | Chestal | then try it :-) |
| 19:27.38 | Patlabor221 | and as long as the stuff is intuitive and doced |
| 19:27.49 | Patlabor221 | I'm testing my admin changes now :) |
| 19:27.54 | Chestal | ok |
| 19:27.56 | Patlabor221 | well trying to |
| 19:28.10 | Patlabor221 | and I can't apply patches here for some reason |
| 19:29.34 | Chestal | the . function still seems to be buggy |
| 19:29.48 | Chestal | when the player you have last talked to has left, you can get some garbage |
| 19:30.21 | Patlabor221 | that was a michaelh pathc wasn't it? |
| 19:30.38 | Chestal | yes |
| 19:30.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah he dosn't allway get all the little things, probably still some hacker left in him |
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| 19:31.03 | FantaZee | hi all |
| 19:31.26 | Chestal | hi Fant |
| 19:31.26 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 19:31.31 | Patlabor221 | he's geting better tho |
| 19:31.36 | FantaZee | .) |
| 19:31.38 | Chestal | Patlabor: the bug is unrelated to his change, it's in the old code |
| 19:31.43 | FantaZee | bb here? |
| 19:31.45 | Chestal | maybe even mine :-) |
| 19:31.53 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 19:31.57 | Patlabor221 | well then fix it :) |
| 19:32.22 | Patlabor221 | how can I see what dhcp IP my linux machiene got? |
| 19:33.01 | Chestal | string_util::tokenize looks liek it might be real slow, but then it's only calles when you use the keys to ban someone |
| 19:33.09 | Chestal | ifconfig |
| 19:33.22 | *** part/#bzflag FantaZee (~trillian@p508F21C0.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:34.18 | Chestal | heh, I cannot kick myself with the patch :-) |
| 19:35.14 | strayer | thats a feature...and not a bug (MicroSoft) |
| 19:35.39 | sussudio | Patlabor221: ifconfig? |
| 19:35.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what it was, thanks |
| 19:36.27 | sussudio | or /sbin/ifconfig eth0 | grep "inet addr" | sed -e 's/^.*inet addr://' -e 's/ .*$//', or ifconfig eth0 | awk '/inet addr:/{sub("addr:","");print $2}', or hostname -i |
| 19:36.49 | Patlabor221 | I'll just stick with the easy way thanks :) |
| 19:41.43 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 19:41.44 | | shut up doug |
| 19:44.18 | doughecka | hrm |
| 19:44.23 | doughecka | let me try that command : |
| 19:45.01 | doughecka | hah, it doesnt work :) |
| 19:48.16 | Chestal | Pat: hmm, there's a problem when we want to get both the easy admin patch and your patch in |
| 19:48.44 | Chestal | Pat: right now the patch puts the commands into two groups: user commands / admin commands |
| 19:48.54 | Patlabor221 | icky |
| 19:49.09 | Chestal | Pat: and it checks for the server reply 'You are now an administrator' to toggle a flag |
| 19:49.11 | Patlabor221 | I just added my commands to the end of the list |
| 19:49.18 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 19:49.25 | Patlabor221 | well that dosn't happen anymre |
| 19:49.30 | Chestal | so it only cycles throguh the available commands |
| 19:49.49 | Patlabor221 | unless you do the old style password |
| 19:49.54 | Chestal | this is ok now, although its not 100% correct for /countdown because that can be made a user command already |
| 19:50.19 | Chestal | the client couldn't possibly know which commands are available to it and which aren't |
| 19:50.37 | Chestal | as I understand it, this is configurable with your patch |
| 19:50.50 | doughecka | hmmm |
| 19:50.59 | doughecka | what ports would I need open... hrm |
| 19:51.27 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:51.50 | Patlabor221 | each command now checks to see if you are an admin, or have the perm for that item |
| 19:52.03 | Patlabor221 | gahh none of the machiens are cooperating here |
| 19:52.16 | Patlabor221 | I have my stuff in a cvs server if you want to see it |
| 19:54.35 | doughecka | hmm, how can I make sure my linux router will route EVERYTHING through the router? |
| 19:54.40 | doughecka | before I hook it up? |
| 19:54.55 | Patlabor221 | you have a dmz option? |
| 19:55.04 | doughecka | nope |
| 19:55.23 | doughecka | this is gonna be for a whole network |
| 19:55.30 | doughecka | and I dont want to block anything |
| 19:56.28 | Patlabor221 | it's it being a NAT? or just a router? |
| 19:56.29 | doughecka | it says it allows everything about 1024, but I am wondering about udp |
| 19:56.33 | doughecka | hrm |
| 19:56.45 | doughecka | I suppose its a nat |
| 19:56.57 | Patlabor221 | then it's only one IP |
| 19:57.07 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:57.08 | Patlabor221 | so it can't just send EVERYTHIng to all the machines |
| 19:57.11 | doughecka | on the outside |
| 19:57.15 | Patlabor221 | so one machine needs to be dmz |
| 19:57.29 | Patlabor221 | it has to know what LAN IP to send any unknown packet too |
| 19:57.39 | doughecka | hrm, ok, I want to make sure all apps can work through the router |
| 19:57.41 | Patlabor221 | but you only need that if your serving |
| 19:57.45 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:58.01 | Patlabor221 | if they are on the inside going out, they should be fine, that's what the nat does |
| 19:58.15 | doughecka | some games and stuff have things going in though |
| 19:58.17 | doughecka | right? |
| 19:58.35 | Patlabor221 | usualy only if you server |
| 19:58.43 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:58.53 | doughecka | well if I host a server it would be on the box its self |
| 19:58.59 | Patlabor221 | what do I whois as? |
| 19:59.08 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:59.13 | Patlabor221 | whois me |
| 19:59.18 | Patlabor221 | and tell me what I whois as |
| 19:59.21 | larsl | ~jeffm@adsl-64-173-106-21.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net |
| 19:59.33 | doughecka | ~jeffm@adsl-64-173-106-21.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net (Jeff) |
| 19:59.42 | Patlabor221 | whoot IP changed big time |
| 19:59.45 | Patlabor221 | no wonder |
| 19:59.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:01.38 | Patlabor221 | does this look right? |
| 20:01.39 | Patlabor221 | -ms 2 -j -t -r +r -public "Patlabors public test server" -publicaddr "myhouse.bakadigital.com:5155" -passdb passdb.txt -groupdb groups.txt -usersdb userdb.txt |
| 20:01.57 | doughecka | impressive |
| 20:02.42 | sussudio | ~slick |
| 20:02.46 | | Shut up, Doug. |
| 20:02.46 | Patlabor221 | that should get me publik right? |
| 20:02.58 | sussudio | Patlabor221: no |
| 20:03.05 | Patlabor221 | what else? |
| 20:03.10 | sussudio | you don't put the port with the ip |
| 20:03.15 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 20:03.16 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 20:03.16 | sussudio | or in "'s |
| 20:03.42 | sussudio | * Unable to resolve myhouse.bakadigital.com |
| 20:03.47 | sussudio | and your name doesnt resolve |
| 20:03.54 | Patlabor221 | give it 4 more min, I just made it |
| 20:04.05 | Patlabor221 | takes a bit to set |
| 20:04.13 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:04.28 | Patlabor221 | no realy it does |
| 20:04.46 | Patlabor221 | resolves for me now :) |
| 20:05.08 | doughecka | hah |
| 20:05.34 | Patlabor221 | ~nslookup myhouse.bakadigital.com |
| 20:05.40 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:05.46 | Patlabor221 | hasn't got there yet then |
| 20:05.58 | Patlabor221 | my dns host says it can take up to 5 min |
| 20:07.14 | doughecka | can you think of any port < 1024 that I would need? I have: 113, 80, 23,24,53,110, and 21 |
| 20:12.17 | larsl | Sure you can put the port with the address. |
| 20:12.32 | larsl | And the " doesn't matter, the shell will just strip them away. |
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| 20:16.57 | Patlabor221 | what ports should I need router? |
| 20:17.03 | Patlabor221 | 5155, and what else? |
| 20:17.49 | larsl | The reconnect port. |
| 20:17.55 | larsl | Usually 5156. |
| 20:17.57 | larsl | Doh. |
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| 20:18.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 20:18.39 | larsl | Usually 5156. |
| 20:18.41 | larsl | The reconnect port. |
| 20:18.48 | Patlabor221 | I just dmzed :) |
| 20:19.53 | Patlabor221 | tho now the ip has to update ahhhagain |
| 20:23.06 | Patlabor221 | can anyone see if they can see my server? |
| 20:23.39 | larsl | I see it. |
| 20:23.48 | larsl | Can't connect, though. |
| 20:24.15 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
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| 20:27.15 | dougheckaa | greetings |
| 20:27.32 | dougheckaa | huh, it dont work |
| 20:28.01 | captain_proton | Chestal: my idea in committing it is that we still have the old makefiles (since cvs doesn't version deletes) in case we need to roll back |
| 20:28.16 | captain_proton | i don't *think* we'll have to, considering it works for me on all the platforms i have available |
| 20:28.25 | captain_proton | well, except irix, which i'll fix on monday |
| 20:28.27 | Patlabor221 | can you connect now? |
| 20:28.36 | Patlabor221 | I can now connect localy |
| 20:28.41 | Patlabor221 | I couldn't before |
| 20:28.46 | dougheckaa | lo |
| 20:28.47 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 20:28.59 | dougheckaa | how many people use bzflag on irix? |
| 20:29.09 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yep, I can connect now. |
| 20:29.44 | Patlabor221 | I saw :) |
| 20:29.50 | Patlabor221 | now to see if it regisered my name |
| 20:30.10 | dougheckaa | let me try |
| 20:30.25 | Patlabor221 | it's down |
| 20:30.27 | Patlabor221 | and it's not |
| 20:30.31 | Patlabor221 | I didn't specify files |
| 20:30.36 | dougheckaa | k |
| 20:30.37 | Patlabor221 | but at least it parsed the command |
| 20:30.44 | captain_proton | doughecka: some |
| 20:31.04 | captain_proton | doughecka: just because you've never even seen an irix box doesn't mean that people don't use them |
| 20:32.31 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 20:32.37 | dougheckaa | who said I never saw one |
| 20:32.47 | captain_proton | i just knew that |
| 20:33.03 | dougheckaa | you are correct, and win nothing ;) |
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| 20:40.17 | Patlabor221 | ahh these are some very nice infinate loops I have made here :) |
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| 20:44.53 | captain_proton | JBDiGriz: you're an osx guy, right? |
| 20:45.03 | JBDiGriz | Yes |
| 20:45.18 | captain_proton | care to see if the new automake/autoconf stuff works there/ |
| 20:45.19 | captain_proton | ? |
| 20:45.32 | JBDiGriz | Sure, what happened to Reid Ellis? |
| 20:45.42 | captain_proton | reid ellis? |
| 20:46.07 | JBDiGriz | Wasn't he (rae) in charge of the Max OS X development? |
| 20:46.17 | captain_proton | maybe |
| 20:46.25 | captain_proton | i never really tracked what was going on with osx |
| 20:46.46 | JBDiGriz | I've been working with learner to update the OS X build to the latest Apple compiler. |
| 20:46.59 | JBDiGriz | He has a number of changes which seem to help the client. |
| 20:47.20 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 20:47.54 | JBDiGriz | I didn't want to step into another developer's territory though! |
| 20:48.31 | JBDiGriz | Is everything available through cvs at Source Forge now? |
| 20:48.40 | captain_proton | as always |
| 20:49.19 | captain_proton | eep |
| 20:49.48 | Patlabor221 | so when do we drive down to texas with nerf AK47's and demand the maintainership "for the people" |
| 20:50.01 | captain_proton | hehehe |
| 20:50.10 | JBDiGriz | Usenix is next month in San Antonio. :) |
| 20:50.32 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 20:50.38 | JBDiGriz | Nerf AK47's have always been appreciated at that conference! |
| 20:50.38 | captain_proton | we've hosted usenix before :) |
| 20:51.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh for that, I would have to use the nerf spas12 |
| 20:51.29 | Patlabor221 | or the nerf LAW |
| 20:51.40 | JBDiGriz | I think we were only kicked out of the hotel in Nashville though. |
| 20:52.16 | Patlabor221 | and they said you could not power a nerf gun with C02 :) |
| 20:52.38 | JBDiGriz | It was never said at Usenix! :) |
| 20:52.53 | Patlabor221 | proabalby true |
| 20:53.26 | JBDiGriz | I'll be back in 15 minutes. |
| 20:53.40 | Patlabor221 | actualy the final design used compressed air, in a fire extinuisher casing |
| 20:54.02 | Patlabor221 | nerf that leaves welts :) |
| 20:57.55 | Patlabor221 | shouldn't std::string::empty() make a string 0 len? |
| 20:58.43 | Patlabor221 | bahh, I'm geting confused with CString :) |
| 20:59.12 | Patlabor221 | is std::string = ""; aceptable? |
| 21:01.39 | larsl | Patlabor221: Yes. |
| 21:02.29 | Patlabor221 | compiler isn't liking it |
| 21:02.41 | Patlabor221 | : no operator defined which takes a right-hand operand of type 'char [1]' (or there is no acceptable conversion) |
| 21:03.06 | captain_proton | thats odd |
| 21:03.12 | captain_proton | its got a constructor for char* |
| 21:03.28 | captain_proton | compiler should do the implicit conversion |
| 21:07.17 | Patlabor221 | rather |
| 21:07.49 | Patlabor221 | i'll just do this |
| 21:07.49 | Patlabor221 | name.erase(name.begin(),name.end()); |
| 21:08.03 | captain_proton | that works too |
| 21:12.37 | JBDiGriz | I'm back and running autoconf, it looks like I have some undefined macros in this environment. |
| 21:12.54 | Patlabor221 | who wants to come and try to register a name on my little server? |
| 21:13.16 | fiberchunks | me! what server |
| 21:13.32 | Patlabor221 | patlabors public test server :) |
| 21:13.41 | Patlabor221 | myhouse.bakadigital.com |
| 21:13.44 | dougheckaa | haa |
| 21:14.19 | fiberchunks | how do i try to register? |
| 21:14.41 | dougheckaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:15.07 | Patlabor221 | what is the playerlist command? |
| 21:15.11 | fiberchunks | nice |
| 21:15.19 | fiberchunks | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.45 | Patlabor221 | hmm well I busted that then |
| 21:15.49 | dougheckaa | haa |
| 21:16.11 | fiberchunks | what does the /register command write to, a db? |
| 21:16.16 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:16.20 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 21:16.25 | larsl | Password Accepted, welcome back. |
| 21:22.31 | captain_proton | http://www.frenchcreekboatsales.com/details.asp?File_Number=BOP12 <-- they're gonna build the raft :) |
| 21:23.13 | dougheckaa | for you? |
| 21:23.16 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 21:24.33 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 21:24.35 | dougheckaa | I wonder... |
| 21:24.59 | Patlabor221 | pfffft a steam cat, how weak |
| 21:25.06 | dougheckaa | it seems bzadmin allows one to paste in stuff |
| 21:25.23 | *** join/#bzflag paul_ (~paul@s0.alphyra.bbnplanet.net) |
| 21:25.34 | larsl | That probably depends on your terminal. |
| 21:25.34 | captain_proton | dougheckaa: you obviously didn't get my reference |
| 21:25.56 | dougheckaa | hm, I guess not |
| 21:25.59 | dougheckaa | larsl: ah |
| 21:27.07 | larsl | Why would the whole BZFlag client enter an infinite loop when I create a BoltSceneNode and don't do anything with it? |
| 21:27.57 | larsl | Correction: It dumps core. |
| 21:28.09 | Patlabor221 | well I have to go to the office now, and I think it's time to redo windows on this hear machina de' ovitai |
| 21:28.30 | Patlabor221 | if anyone wants to play with fixing the bugs in the nick stuff, it' |
| 21:28.36 | Patlabor221 | it's in asgards CVS |
| 21:29.49 | fiberchunks | that's real nice work Patlabor221 -- thx |
| 21:30.14 | Patlabor221 | well it's not done yet :) |
| 21:30.19 | larsl | Yes, it's looking very promising. =) |
| 21:30.38 | Patlabor221 | I think it also needs stuff to list groups, list what perms you have |
| 21:30.39 | Patlabor221 | ect.. |
| 21:30.58 | Patlabor221 | also there is no way to set explicid allows or denys yet, but the system stores them |
| 21:31.13 | Patlabor221 | there should also be a way for an admin to reset someones password |
| 21:32.00 | Patlabor221 | and an option to auto kick if you don't identify in X amount of time |
| 21:32.35 | fiberchunks | that's excellent -- how long did this hack take ya? |
| 21:32.40 | dougheckaa | and a way to auto admin a person if the person IDs and is on the admin group |
| 21:32.49 | Patlabor221 | ohh just like a couple hours |
| 21:32.54 | Patlabor221 | I did it at work inbetween stuff |
| 21:33.01 | fiberchunks | shame on you ;) |
| 21:33.12 | Patlabor221 | doug, the admin group has all permisions |
| 21:33.21 | Patlabor221 | I don't think you relasise what is going on in there |
| 21:33.25 | fiberchunks | gonna go fiddle with my bios now -- bbiaw |
| 21:33.48 | Patlabor221 | I split up the admin comamnds, so you can give out just the commands you want to just the people you want |
| 21:33.57 | Patlabor221 | like I could give somone kick but not ban |
| 21:34.03 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 21:34.05 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 21:34.11 | Patlabor221 | the admin group has all perms |
| 21:34.27 | Patlabor221 | so once you identify, you have those perms |
| 21:34.32 | Patlabor221 | no more /password |
| 21:34.47 | Patlabor221 | the sample file has groups for cop and ref as well |
| 21:34.59 | Patlabor221 | COPS:KICK BAN BANLIST UNBAN INFO |
| 21:35.05 | Patlabor221 | REF:FLAGMOD COUNTDOWN ENDGAME SUPERKILL INFO |
| 21:35.17 | larsl | Once all that is working, automatic identification should be an easy hack. =) |
| 21:35.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what module? "bzflag" ? |
| 21:35.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:35.42 | Patlabor221 | easyer then ziping and posting to get it to and from home :) |
| 21:36.32 | Patlabor221 | right now it just writes all the data to local file, it should also take a mysql url as well if you want |
| 21:36.38 | Patlabor221 | for each of the 3 dbs |
| 21:37.28 | Patlabor221 | ok I go now, I be back l8or |
| 21:37.36 | dougheckaa | c ya |
| 21:42.22 | larsl | Nice, my shots are standing still in the air. |
| 21:42.26 | larsl | Matrix-like. =) |
| 21:42.54 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 21:44.17 | larsl | That would be a cool flag - DB, Deflect Bullets. Any bullet approaching you will slow down and finally stand completely still in the air. |
| 21:44.36 | captain_proton | haha |
| 21:44.36 | larsl | Except SB, of course. |
| 21:45.44 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 21:45.56 | captain_proton | or SW |
| 21:46.01 | captain_proton | or SR |
| 21:46.11 | sussudio | SW should stop missiles, when active |
| 21:46.17 | dougheckaa | how about having the flag so it would activate only for a short time |
| 21:46.34 | dougheckaa | sussudio: that was my idea, rejected long ago :P |
| 21:46.43 | sussudio | no it wasnt your idea |
| 21:46.58 | captain_proton | a lot of people have had that idea |
| 21:47.04 | captain_proton | and i'm not sure its ever been formally rejected |
| 21:47.18 | captain_proton | its just that dougheckaa doesn't realize that feature bitching doesn't work |
| 21:48.09 | dougheckaa | you keep bringing that up |
| 21:48.29 | dougheckaa | ~topic add feature bitching doesn't work |
| 21:48.29 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || upgrade bzfs servers to CVS || 1.7g2 is coming RSN || if you don't own a KFJ, GET OUT! || feature bitching doesn't work (dougheckaa) |
| 21:49.48 | captain_proton | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=667636&forum_id=9555 |
| 21:51.13 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~mef@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 21:51.27 | fiberchunks | ah, the joys of biod twiddling :) |
| 21:51.43 | fiberchunks | bios, that is |
| 21:53.58 | captain_proton | ya know dougheckaa |
| 21:53.58 | captain_proton | its funny |
| 21:54.05 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 21:54.07 | captain_proton | i don't see that with your name on it in the SF RFE tracker |
| 21:54.18 | Patlabor221 | there we go one new drive, one new video card |
| 21:54.23 | dougheckaa | yea, odd |
| 21:54.23 | Patlabor221 | now to see if it all works |
| 21:54.56 | *** join/#bzflag Patalbor2211 (~JeffM@adsl-64-173-107-53.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 21:55.46 | Patalbor2211 | icky it's just a GF4 Ti 4200 |
| 21:56.00 | dougheckaa | listen to yourself |
| 21:56.07 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 21:56.09 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:56.18 | dougheckaa | its "just" a GF 4 Ti 4200 |
| 21:56.20 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 21:56.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:56.28 | dougheckaa | a few months ago that was top of the line |
| 21:56.29 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 21:56.30 | Patlabor221 | you know i put GF2's in servers right? cus they are crap |
| 21:56.38 | Patlabor221 | no the 4200 was never top of the line |
| 21:56.40 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 21:56.43 | dougheckaa | close |
| 21:56.59 | Patlabor221 | no it was the low end of the 4 TI line |
| 21:57.08 | Patlabor221 | 4400's and 4600's came out the same time |
| 21:57.22 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 21:57.26 | dougheckaa | still... :) |
| 21:57.29 | fiberchunks | and my 4600 now officially kicks anus :) |
| 21:57.37 | Patlabor221 | as it shold |
| 21:57.47 | Patlabor221 | that is the best "bang" 4 buck one |
| 21:57.51 | fiberchunks | 120+ fps @ 1600x1200 in bz, i am a _HAPPY_ camper |
| 21:58.03 | Patlabor221 | heh my FX5200 does that |
| 21:58.07 | fiberchunks | on the old turkey map anyway |
| 21:58.11 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 21:58.12 | Patlabor221 | and it was 1/2 the price of yours |
| 21:58.23 | fiberchunks | phbbt |
| 21:58.48 | dougheckaa | fiberchunks WAS a happy camper |
| 21:58.56 | dougheckaa | till Patlabor221 popped his bubble :) |
| 21:58.57 | fiberchunks | i still am |
| 21:59.12 | Patlabor221 | well yours will be faster at other stuff |
| 21:59.26 | Patlabor221 | then the FX5200 |
| 21:59.28 | fiberchunks | now - to see which of these bundled games i can get running under winex |
| 21:59.34 | Patlabor221 | BZ just dosn't push cards much |
| 21:59.43 | fiberchunks | yeah, you've told me that before |
| 22:00.00 | fiberchunks | hence why i'm not an unhappy camper |
| 22:00.19 | Patlabor221 | tho if cap pulls his coupe, then there may be some hope |
| 22:00.22 | Patlabor221 | maybe |
| 22:00.27 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 22:00.29 | dougheckaa | like fur tanks |
| 22:00.41 | Patlabor221 | like more then 6 textures I am hoping |
| 22:00.47 | Patlabor221 | and a better vis alog |
| 22:00.52 | dougheckaa | and that :P |
| 22:00.55 | fiberchunks | flame job tank :) |
| 22:01.18 | dougheckaa | how about tanks with ?? pieces :P |
| 22:01.40 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 22:01.45 | Patlabor221 | tanks have peices now |
| 22:01.50 | Patlabor221 | 5 of them |
| 22:01.55 | dougheckaa | like, 100 peices :) |
| 22:02.12 | dougheckaa | so tanks like, scatter around the field like leaves |
| 22:02.26 | Patlabor221 | umm so you just want a better boom? |
| 22:02.31 | Patlabor221 | munchkin! |
| 22:02.51 | Patlabor221 | I would not make the tanks out of parts just for them to explode, it's not good modeling |
| 22:03.03 | Patlabor221 | I would make a seperate "exploding" model |
| 22:03.07 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 22:03.39 | Patlabor221 | the only real reason to make tanks have parts would be if you wanted to "turn off" parts with difrent skins |
| 22:03.56 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 22:04.44 | fiberchunks | this may be an entirely retarded question (it prob is), but if the coup happens, do you have any intention of incorporating screamers into bz or vice versa? |
| 22:05.59 | Patlabor221 | I could see a "BZ" game type plugin for screamers |
| 22:06.11 | Patlabor221 | but I don't think cap would change it that much |
| 22:06.20 | Patlabor221 | if anything branch and make a "high res" client |
| 22:06.43 | larsl | Ick. |
| 22:06.46 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 22:06.46 | Patlabor221 | so the old folks could play on there software driven machines using there tseng 4 meg VGA cards |
| 22:06.52 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 22:07.04 | Patlabor221 | but the game code would have to be made nice and modular |
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| 22:13.55 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.163.100.26) |
| 22:15.03 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 22:17.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't think anyone here woud take over the project to change them game, or make it there own pet project, it would be easy enough to just start another |
| 22:17.50 | dougheckaa | hmm, rename needs to be better.. car2020.jpg.jpg..jpg..jpg |
| 22:18.00 | dougheckaa | keeps adding stuff :P |
| 22:18.21 | MrApathyCream | hiya |
| 22:18.24 | Patlabor221 | tho I'm sure they will ban doug :) |
| 22:19.10 | Patlabor221 | help or die! |
| 22:19.55 | fiberchunks | heh |
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| 22:39.11 | Chestal | hmm, I haven't testes as many patches as I wanted today, basically only the easy admin patch which is basically ok (I only changed one thing), but might have to be adjusted when we also want Patäs patch |
| 22:39.46 | Patlabor221 | well I have to get mine fully working first |
| 22:39.52 | Patlabor221 | and that happens after I reinstall windows |
| 22:39.57 | Chestal | uhoh |
| 22:40.11 | captain_proton | Patäs patch? |
| 22:40.12 | Patlabor221 | it's been time for me to do this |
| 22:40.41 | Patlabor221 | I wasn't even gonna make it a patch :) |
| 22:41.01 | Chestal | you can always make it a patch :-) |
| 22:41.04 | Patlabor221 | chestal, but we did a basic test, it lets you register and log in |
| 22:41.13 | Patlabor221 | hadd issues with ghost |
| 22:41.16 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel (~Eric_Kels@adsl-65-67-132-60.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 22:41.17 | Patlabor221 | and some other commands |
| 22:41.31 | Patlabor221 | but the general idea worked |
| 22:41.33 | Big_Barrel | ~ducat6 |
| 22:41.44 | Big_Barrel | ducati6 |
| 22:41.48 | Patlabor221 | it knew your nick was registerd and told you to identify |
| 22:41.51 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 22:41.53 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 22:42.22 | Patlabor221 | if more people want to work on it, it's in the CVS server, I can give dev access to who ever needs it ( cap and larls have it allready ) |
| 22:42.24 | Chestal | sounds like we better use the following week to get g2 right, so maybe releae in 2 |
| 22:43.21 | larsl | I'll have to get started on some books, I have an exam on thursday. So I'm afraid I won't do much hacking next week. =P |
| 22:43.34 | Patlabor221 | maybe not one person takes over maintinership but many? |
| 22:43.38 | Chestal | well, I'm not sure if it's worthwhile to work on it with seevral people now, my plan was to wait until it's basically finished, then test it, was unde rthe impression that there's not that much to do? |
| 22:43.39 | Patlabor221 | like a bzflag council |
| 22:44.09 | Patlabor221 | there isn't |
| 22:44.12 | Chestal | we'll make the bzflag protocol an ISO standard ;-) |
| 22:44.13 | Patlabor221 | its just some little things |
| 22:44.22 | Mayhem | no, it needs to be an RFC |
| 22:44.25 | Patlabor221 | no then it will take FOEVER to change it |
| 22:44.27 | Chestal | RFC's suck |
| 22:44.34 | Chestal | RFCs, even |
| 22:44.41 | Chestal | ISO is good, it's stable :-) |
| 22:45.20 | Chestal | anyway, must go to bed, cu |
| 22:45.27 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 22:45.34 | Mayhem | night ches |
| 22:45.44 | Mayhem | ~x de en Lutsch mein Schwanz |
| 22:46.09 | Mayhem | any takers on a translation of that? |
| 22:46.31 | Patlabor221 | suck my ass? |
| 22:47.05 | Mayhem | one way to get away with an offensive nick... |
| 22:47.48 | Patlabor221 | well here is to hoping I got everyhgin off the D drive |
| 22:48.06 | sussudio | no, it means "suck my dick" |
| 22:48.28 | Mayhem | in what language? |
| 22:48.33 | sussudio | german |
| 22:48.46 | Patlabor221 | I was close |
| 22:48.51 | Patlabor221 | I was just guessing too |
| 22:48.52 | Mayhem | is it misspelt? |
| 22:49.05 | sussudio | i dont think so |
| 22:49.07 | Big_Barrel | ibot what is cocaine? |
| 22:49.08 | | well, cocaine is this stuff my mom used to make me snort when i was younger.....it really burned my nose |
| 22:49.15 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 22:49.58 | Mayhem | sussudio: is it slang? |
| 22:50.13 | sussudio | as much as 'todger' is slang |
| 22:50.29 | Mayhem | ah, explains why its not in the dictionary ;) |
| 22:52.55 | fiberchunks | ~x de en Suchen an mein Pimmel |
| 22:52.59 | Big_Barrel | ~ducat6 |
| 22:53.02 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 22:53.03 | Mayhem | hahaha |
| 22:53.14 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 22:53.18 | fiberchunks | back to work |
| 22:53.21 | Big_Barrel | ibot what is cocaine? |
| 22:53.21 | | rumour has it, cocaine is this stuff my mom used to make me snort when i was younger.....it really burned my nose |
| 22:53.38 | Mayhem | thats what it said last time Big_Barrel... |
| 22:53.45 | Big_Barrel | lol |
| 22:53.53 | Big_Barrel | ibot is just too funny |
| 22:53.53 | | wish i knew, Big_Barrel |
| 22:53.53 | fiberchunks | where does ibot get it's translation from? |
| 22:54.04 | Mayhem | fiberchunks: I think its babelfish |
| 22:54.07 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 22:54.12 | Big_Barrel | it is a pearl script |
| 22:54.20 | Big_Barrel | ibot who is ibot? |
| 22:54.20 | | [ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 22:54.37 | sussudio | ~pig_barrel |
| 22:54.38 | | Big_Barrel is a barrel of pork offal, mostly pig's noses, lips and todgers. |
| 22:54.49 | Mayhem | hahahahaha |
| 22:55.09 | Big_Barrel | no, ibot, big barrel is a really cool guy :) |
| 22:55.25 | Patlabor221 | you can't use commas |
| 22:55.30 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel? |
| 22:55.39 | Big_Barrel | ~pig barrel |
| 22:55.40 | | barrel is 12% pig! |
| 22:56.07 | Big_Barrel | ibot is not a pbotty |
| 22:56.08 | | no idea, Big_Barrel |
| 22:56.23 | Big_Barrel | ~big barrel |
| 22:56.24 | Noodlebot | big barrel is matchwhining again |
| 22:56.40 | Mayhem | hehe, they know you too well |
| 22:56.59 | Big_Barrel | no noodlebot big barrel is a good guy |
| 22:57.17 | Patlabor221 | noodlebot dosn't do "no" |
| 22:57.42 | Patlabor221 | noodlebot isn't a blootbot |
| 22:58.17 | Patlabor221 | shoud put ibot and noodlebot in #bottards |
| 23:00.12 | Big_Barrel | pbotty's are the best |
| 23:00.32 | Patlabor221 | heh, this is what doug would be if he played planetside http://www.gamespy.com/dailyvictim/ |
| 23:00.41 | captain_proton | ibot: bzedit |
| 23:00.42 | | bzedit is, like, http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 23:00.42 | Patlabor221 | "heavy support slacker" |
| 23:01.03 | captain_proton | ibot no, bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 23:01.04 | | okay, captain_proton |
| 23:01.06 | captain_proton | ibot: bzedit |
| 23:01.07 | | extra, extra, read all about it, bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 23:06.31 | Big_Barrel | ibot: big barrel |
| 23:06.32 | | Big_Barrel: wish i knew |
| 23:10.36 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/rcam |
| 23:10.37 | captain_proton | =) |
| 23:11.43 | *** part/#bzflag Mayhem (~Mayhem@dsl-217-155-141-174.zen.co.uk) |
| 23:12.21 | Patlabor221 | what ever hapend to that guy? |
| 23:13.12 | captain_proton | disappeared |
| 23:13.14 | Big_Barrel | ibot: big barrel |
| 23:13.15 | | big barrel is probably the greatest |
| 23:13.30 | Big_Barrel | my work is done here :) |
| 23:14.00 | Big_Barrel | ibot: ibot |
| 23:14.04 | | well, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 23:14.51 | Big_Barrel | ~ducati6 |
| 23:14.51 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 23:18.36 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: pah |
| 23:35.47 | captain_proton | opinions on making input a config option rather then autosense? |
| 23:36.51 | Patlabor221 | I get anoyed when I change to key movement accedentaly |
| 23:37.03 | Patlabor221 | cus I hit up arrow to get my last message I typed :) |
| 23:39.53 | captain_proton | i can't see a legitimate use for switching between them |
| 23:40.10 | captain_proton | these fools made us add keyboard movement, they don't need to use the mouse ;) |
| 23:40.29 | Patlabor221 | unless you plug in a mouse in the middle of a game session or some wierd thing like that |
| 23:42.16 | captain_proton | then they can hit the options screen |
| 23:44.02 | Patlabor221 | uggg this format time is killing me |
| 23:48.30 | captain_proton | ? |
| 23:51.19 | Patlabor221 | re-installing windows |
| 23:51.27 | Patlabor221 | drive format takes forever |
| 23:51.33 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 23:52.02 | Patlabor221 | least I"ll be clean now |
| 23:52.12 | Patlabor221 | this system has been upgraded far to many time |
| 23:56.52 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
