| 00:00.05 | Noodleman | but that doesn't mean he's stupid, just not in tune with the educational system |
| 00:00.15 | larsl | fiberchunks: What about those that get hurt? |
| 00:00.25 | Patlabor221 | well there is that whole "human compasion" thing and the people who got out would problably never learn any usefull job skills,a nd just mooch |
| 00:00.46 | Noodleman | there should be no welfare system, either |
| 00:00.47 | fiberchunks | i'm playing major devils advocate here, larsl, not being serious |
| 00:00.49 | Patlabor221 | noodleman what if you are stupid |
| 00:00.59 | Noodleman | then you are stupid ;-) |
| 00:01.01 | fiberchunks | shoot them too |
| 00:01.08 | larsl | OK... I thought you sounded a bit too radical. =) |
| 00:01.11 | fiberchunks | ;) |
| 00:01.14 | Patlabor221 | well that woudl take care of it |
| 00:01.28 | Patlabor221 | fiber you REALY need to watch equilibrium |
| 00:01.40 | fiberchunks | LOL |
| 00:01.46 | Patlabor221 | it shows one posible solution for social issues taken to an extreem |
| 00:02.00 | Noodleman | and they should neither teach darwinism or creationism in school or they should teach both |
| 00:02.05 | fiberchunks | i liked george carlins idea for violent criminals |
| 00:02.23 | larsl | Noodleman: Why limit yourself to only two theories? |
| 00:02.28 | Patlabor221 | noodleman, whos' creationism? there are soo many |
| 00:02.43 | Noodleman | teach a broad creationism |
| 00:02.52 | Patlabor221 | I prefer alien genetic manipulation |
| 00:02.55 | Noodleman | and now, there's only one theory taught |
| 00:03.03 | Noodleman | two would be infinitely better |
| 00:03.10 | fiberchunks | buy a couple states, surround em with electrified, barbed wire, and then stick em all in there -- no food, no shelter, no nothing -- they'll either co-exist (not likely), or they'll start killing in each, in which case -- televise the hell out of it, and balance the budget |
| 00:03.12 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 00:03.13 | Patlabor221 | may start more wars |
| 00:03.48 | Patlabor221 | ohh you mean running man/escape from NYC/ et all. |
| 00:03.54 | Noodleman | fiberchunks: i believe humans are basically evil, it wouldn't work :-) |
| 00:04.24 | Noodleman | ok, i'm getting way off the beaten track now ;-) |
| 00:04.51 | fiberchunks | sure it would -- just think: in this country, we're subjected to, imho, abnormal amounts of 'artistic' violence -- people would pay out the wazoo to see a couple of hard-core felons go at each other with someone else's femur |
| 00:05.23 | fiberchunks | or perhaps a random skull they picked up at the local drive-by |
| 00:06.37 | fiberchunks | you could have a big stadium, with vats of boiling oil, and the mob public controls the speed of the rope -- french-fried felon! People will come, oh yes, people will come (just build it) |
| 00:06.46 | fiberchunks | alright, that's enough of my insanity |
| 00:08.02 | fiberchunks | i need cancer sticks -- bbiaw |
| 00:08.47 | Noodleman | afk |
| 00:08.49 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221_ (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 00:11.26 | patlabor221_ | I hate that |
| 00:11.59 | patlabor221_ | anyone want to give an opinion between 2 images? |
| 00:12.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 00:13.24 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/body.png and http://www.bakadigital.com/numba2.png |
| 00:14.19 | Patlabor221 | very rough cuts |
| 00:21.00 | fiberchunks | besides what i said the other night about the torso shot -- numba2 rocks -- like |
| 00:21.30 | Patlabor221 | I changed a goodly part of the torso one |
| 00:21.36 | fiberchunks | cept her right hand fingers are just a tad goofy -- other than that the proportions look totally correct |
| 00:21.39 | Patlabor221 | like she has a new head, and 5 fingers |
| 00:21.44 | Patlabor221 | and I moved her boobs |
| 00:23.07 | fiberchunks | the torso, left hand nails aren't quite right, perspective wise, but she does look better, proportionally |
| 00:23.24 | fiberchunks | gonna move her right eyeball some/ |
| 00:23.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah the hands on both are jacked in my opinon |
| 00:23.39 | Patlabor221 | I may move it just a tad |
| 00:23.49 | Patlabor221 | it is not suposed to be a front on view |
| 00:23.52 | fiberchunks | numba2 is my kind of girl :) |
| 00:23.55 | Patlabor221 | but it IS way the heck over |
| 00:24.01 | Patlabor221 | this is for the main screamers page |
| 00:24.09 | Patlabor221 | to replace the current girl |
| 00:24.20 | fiberchunks | 3dscreamers.org? |
| 00:24.47 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/ |
| 00:24.53 | fiberchunks | it's buried somewhere in the morass of my bookmark file :) |
| 00:24.56 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 00:25.25 | fiberchunks | who is she? one of yours? |
| 00:25.30 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:25.38 | Patlabor221 | hence her need for replacement |
| 00:25.49 | fiberchunks | ah - copyright goofiness? |
| 00:26.01 | Patlabor221 | well I just don't know who did that one |
| 00:26.08 | Patlabor221 | and I shoudln't realy be using it |
| 00:26.53 | fiberchunks | m&ms has come out with their version of the Reeses piece -- I like em |
| 00:28.04 | fiberchunks | you gonna have the 'added a chicken' part in your official IPO 5 years from now ;) |
| 00:28.28 | Patlabor221 | ya never know |
| 00:28.43 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:29.00 | fiberchunks | it is rare to see chicken adding deserving of note in a changelog :) |
| 00:29.24 | Patlabor221 | it was the first animated mobile object |
| 00:29.52 | fiberchunks | the upper images the newer ones? |
| 00:29.57 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:30.15 | fiberchunks | sports cam? |
| 00:30.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah it kinda folows from a sorta fixed position |
| 00:31.22 | fiberchunks | does it rotate about the object and such -- or the pic just depends on what orientation your tank is to the camera? |
| 00:31.31 | Patlabor221 | so it's like a fixed camera that folows you , but zooms so you fill the screen |
| 00:31.43 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 00:31.48 | Patlabor221 | the cam is in the midle of the world |
| 00:32.00 | Patlabor221 | so it depends on how you move |
| 00:37.34 | fiberchunks | how long did it take you to do the rough / trace /refine thang on numba2 there? |
| 00:37.49 | Patlabor221 | did it over a couple says |
| 00:37.51 | Patlabor221 | days |
| 00:38.01 | Patlabor221 | probably 5-4 hours total |
| 00:38.17 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 00:38.34 | fiberchunks | i may borrow that to practice, if you don't mind |
| 00:38.49 | Patlabor221 | have ats it |
| 00:38.53 | fiberchunks | thx |
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| 00:39.07 | Patlabor221 | she realy needs to be cleaned up tho |
| 00:39.09 | Patlabor221 | I may ink it |
| 00:39.23 | creeperz | Back |
| 00:39.35 | fiberchunks | be interesting to see if i can draw the covered up parts of her arms .. |
| 00:39.43 | Patlabor221 | maybe BZG could tell me if any are ofensive to the female type people :) |
| 00:39.44 | fiberchunks | and torso for that matter |
| 00:39.55 | fiberchunks | i'm sure she would :) |
| 00:40.34 | bzgirl | painting the female form pat? |
| 00:40.39 | fiberchunks | her ear looks a little set back |
| 00:40.42 | creeperz | La la la lag |
| 00:40.51 | Patlabor221 | no paint |
| 00:40.51 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/body.png |
| 00:41.03 | Patlabor221 | or http://www.bakadigital.com/numba2.png |
| 00:41.11 | Patlabor221 | well fiber it can' be perfect |
| 00:41.25 | fiberchunks | not saying it should be -- you asked for opinions :) |
| 00:41.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:41.48 | Patlabor221 | I think she's going to get tweaked digitaly from now on, so I can move things all over the place |
| 00:41.53 | creeperz | Holy crap |
| 00:42.08 | Patlabor221 | tho she is based on mihosi |
| 00:42.09 | creeperz | I'm going to fall asleep trying to launch those stupid pages |
| 00:42.12 | fiberchunks | what do you do, define regions of the image, and then twiddle them about, or make templates and such for body parts? |
| 00:42.13 | creeperz | view* |
| 00:42.25 | Patlabor221 | layers, it's all about layers |
| 00:42.32 | Patlabor221 | layers are the godsend |
| 00:42.40 | Patlabor221 | can you read a PSD file? |
| 00:42.47 | fiberchunks | photoshop? |
| 00:42.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:42.53 | fiberchunks | i think gimp handles that, yeah |
| 00:42.59 | bzgirl | her eyes are huge |
| 00:43.10 | fiberchunks | makes her more cute ;) |
| 00:43.12 | Patlabor221 | most anime characters are :) |
| 00:43.16 | bzgirl | but she's otherwise quite healthy :) |
| 00:43.21 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 00:43.38 | creeperz | Patlabor221: Have you ever seen the first ep of Trigun yet? :-) |
| 00:43.49 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:43.59 | Patlabor221 | fiber this has all the layers |
| 00:43.59 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/hot_chick.psd |
| 00:44.53 | Patlabor221 | BZgirl one of those is to replace the girl on the screamers site, any opinion? |
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| 00:45.15 | bzgirl | whats the screamer url again? |
| 00:45.35 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/ |
| 00:45.56 | asdf | what is a kfj? |
| 00:46.31 | bzgirl | the new girl i like better |
| 00:46.42 | Patlabor221 | what one? did you look at both |
| 00:47.01 | Patlabor221 | if you don't know what a KFJ is you are too young to be told :) |
| 00:47.03 | bzgirl | i looked at that blonde girl with the large eye |
| 00:47.20 | Patlabor221 | there is also http://www.bakadigital.com/body.png |
| 00:47.35 | Patlabor221 | her eyes are even larger |
| 00:47.42 | fiberchunks | neat stuff |
| 00:47.54 | bzgirl | hmm...shes scary! |
| 00:48.03 | bzgirl | i mean those hollow eyes |
| 00:48.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah I didn't fill those in yet |
| 00:48.16 | Patlabor221 | she was just redone |
| 00:48.27 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Girl.png |
| 00:48.32 | Patlabor221 | that is her old version |
| 00:48.43 | Patlabor221 | or actualy |
| 00:48.45 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Girl2.png |
| 00:49.30 | fiberchunks | so you 'pencil' in the form, and then use layers to colorize it, is that the general idea? |
| 00:49.41 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:49.50 | Patlabor221 | and then you also clean the hell outa the outline |
| 00:50.04 | bzgirl | i think the blond girl might clash with your sites color layout though |
| 00:50.15 | Patlabor221 | those are just basic colors |
| 00:50.23 | Patlabor221 | they can and will change |
| 00:50.28 | bzgirl | ahh ok |
| 00:51.58 | Patlabor221 | maybe I should do her siting, I like the current one with the sitting on the bar |
| 00:52.23 | bzgirl | and with a jumpsuit that actually fits :) |
| 00:52.31 | bzgirl | j/k |
| 00:52.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah, but I shouldn't realy use her |
| 00:52.54 | Patlabor221 | not my art |
| 00:53.04 | Patlabor221 | hey the blond girl has clothes that fit |
| 00:53.38 | sussudio | ~ducati6 |
| 00:53.38 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 00:53.45 | Patlabor221 | probalby even comfortable pants :) |
| 00:53.46 | sussudio | ~kill noodlebot |
| 00:53.47 | | ACTION executes killall -9 noodlebot |
| 00:53.47 | creeperz | I can draw a stick person! |
| 00:53.52 | bzgirl | i know, actually her pants are awesome |
| 00:54.02 | sussudio | ducati seems locked up :-P |
| 00:54.13 | Patlabor221 | I thought about making them cargo pants |
| 00:54.28 | Patlabor221 | give it a kind of "mechanic" feel |
| 00:54.44 | bzgirl | the more unsexy pants are the more comfy they are |
| 00:54.55 | bzgirl | moores law of pants |
| 00:54.59 | Patlabor221 | depends what you find sexy |
| 00:55.12 | bzgirl | true |
| 00:55.23 | Patlabor221 | often the imagination is best at that |
| 00:55.28 | bzgirl | :) |
| 00:55.38 | creeperz | Red, low-cut skirt? |
| 00:55.50 | Patlabor221 | yeah your 13 |
| 00:55.53 | creeperz | Oh...you'rre conversation |
| 00:56.02 | creeperz | HEh |
| 00:56.14 | creeperz | I have an imagination, too |
| 00:56.18 | Patlabor221 | un comfy girls can get grumpy |
| 00:56.30 | Patlabor221 | grumpy girls arn't sexy |
| 00:56.34 | bzgirl | heh |
| 00:56.59 | creeperz | Unless you're fiber and think that a girl spitting in your face is sexy |
| 00:57.02 | creeperz | :-) |
| 00:57.09 | Patlabor221 | well time to go keep me dad from killin himself building a desk |
| 00:57.18 | Patlabor221 | some people like that creeper |
| 00:57.18 | creeperz | Heh |
| 00:57.24 | Patlabor221 | some people realy like wierd stuff |
| 00:57.33 | Patlabor221 | see ya all |
| 00:57.38 | bzgirl | cu |
| 00:57.39 | creeperz | Yup, see yu |
| 00:58.38 | creeperz | Hmm |
| 00:58.52 | creeperz | Needs darker color on the side away from the "camera" |
| 00:59.02 | creeperz | Like a shadow effect |
| 00:59.41 | creeperz | And maybe whiter skin |
| 01:00.27 | fiberchunks | my ears burn - who's talking about me |
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| 01:00.50 | fiberchunks | what lies and untruths are being splattered about? |
| 01:01.23 | *** part/#bzflag Ramstein (Ramstein@0-2pool177-254.nas20.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net) |
| 01:09.05 | creeperz | heh |
| 01:09.20 | creeperz | Aren't we the slow one :-) Just Kiding |
| 01:09.23 | creeperz | Kidding* |
| 01:11.27 | Moodleman | :-) |
| 01:20.38 | asdf | i'm not too you to know what KFJ is |
| 01:21.53 | bzgirl | whatg is it? |
| 01:22.14 | asdf | i don't know |
| 01:22.27 | asdf | i'm not too young to be told though |
| 01:22.28 | sussudio | killing for jesus! |
| 01:22.32 | asdf | ah |
| 01:22.49 | sussudio | dieeeeeee pigs! in jesus' name! |
| 01:23.05 | asdf | what is that saying all about anyhow? |
| 01:23.21 | sussudio | hm? |
| 01:25.24 | fiberchunks | what saying? |
| 01:25.47 | fiberchunks | and no, sussudio, that ain't it |
| 01:28.41 | *** part/#bzflag asdf (~ccarroll@39.233.95.24.cfl.rr.com) |
| 01:29.13 | sussudio | is too |
| 01:30.33 | fiberchunks | taint, i tell ya ;) |
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| 01:41.34 | sussudio | lo fartsalot |
| 01:43.57 | michaelh2 | greeeeeetings |
| 01:44.22 | michaelh2 | I have to come up with some nick that doesn't have some grumpy guy that had it before me |
| 01:44.47 | michaelh2 | (I must have been subconsiously inspired) |
| 01:44.48 | sussudio | how about michaelh3 |
| 01:44.57 | michaelh2 | hmmmmmm |
| 01:45.01 | sussudio | -NickServ- The nickname [michaelh] is not registered |
| 01:45.12 | michaelh2 | Nooo -- I mean in bzflag |
| 01:45.44 | sussudio | how about "imnotsirlagsalotbutiplayoneonbzflag" |
| 01:45.56 | michaelh2 | groberts -- the man of many names -- is the first guy who had that nick first |
| 01:46.08 | michaelh2 | that's kind of long.... :) |
| 01:46.45 | sussudio | so? |
| 01:46.52 | michaelh2 | I used to play as "me" or "arrrrrg" :) |
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| 01:47.07 | sussudio | it delays the admin kick considerably |
| 01:47.11 | ski | hello all |
| 01:47.16 | michaelh2 | hello one |
| 01:47.17 | sussudio | lo skipig |
| 01:47.30 | ski | it was you huh |
| 01:47.33 | michaelh2 | not if they had my patch :) |
| 01:47.34 | ski | nlol |
| 01:47.36 | sussudio | hm? |
| 01:47.52 | ski | you were on callin me pig sus |
| 01:47.55 | ski | :P |
| 01:47.59 | sussudio | pigsus? |
| 01:48.09 | sussudio | the winged baconhorse of greek mythology? |
| 01:48.09 | michaelh2 | my nifty admin by arrow keys patch --> which is awaiting approval........................... |
| 01:48.23 | ski | ~seen bzgirl |
| 01:48.23 | | bzgirl is currently on #bzflag (1h 9m 26s). Has said a total of 20 messages. Is idling for 26m 30s |
| 01:48.52 | bzgirl | hi ski |
| 01:49.02 | ski | hello :) |
| 01:49.44 | sussudio | frozen..yoghurt.....atetoofast |
| 01:50.58 | michaelh2 | ah so...... |
| 01:53.01 | michaelh2 | that's why it's called yog hurt |
| 01:54.53 | sussudio | so explain beans |
| 01:56.22 | michaelh2 | hmm |
| 02:12.47 | fiberchunks_ | lo captain_proton |
| 02:15.14 | Moodleman | Sweet :-) |
| 02:15.56 | rbergero | hahaha |
| 02:17.16 | michaelh2 | noodle == creepeeeerrrrz? |
| 02:18.07 | captain_proton | michaelh2: no |
| 02:18.12 | captain_proton | its just creeperz being creeperz |
| 02:18.52 | creeperz | michaelh2: You were arrrrrg? |
| 02:19.21 | creeperz | captain_proton: I thought it was quite humerous |
| 02:20.18 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:21.20 | creeperz | But thanks anyway for tthe comments ;-) |
| 02:25.48 | michaelh2 | yes |
| 02:26.47 | michaelh2 | I also played around with "himself" for obvious reasons :) |
| 02:26.59 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:27.33 | michaelh2 | that was when bzflag had no list server & it played like crud on dial up -- often enough |
| 02:27.48 | creeperz | Heh |
| 02:28.02 | michaelh2 | before they stuck the udp in I guess |
| 02:29.07 | creeperz | I used to play BZFlag when I had AOL 5.0 |
| 02:29.58 | creeperz | ?? |
| 02:31.30 | *** join/#bzflag ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) |
| 02:31.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ChanServ] by tolkien.freenode.net |
| 02:32.24 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:32.42 | michaelh2 | soooooo which signal is that? |
| 02:32.51 | michaelh2 | is that a core dump thingee? |
| 02:33.03 | michaelh2 | seg fault? |
| 02:35.35 | fiberchunks_ | think so |
| 02:36.01 | sussudio | man kill |
| 02:37.04 | michaelh2 | doesn't work on windows :) |
| 02:37.07 | *** join/#bzflag russian-code (killerno@gratisbsd.no) |
| 02:37.08 | sussudio | sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 02:37.32 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 02:37.59 | michaelh2 | ChanServ is a bot? |
| 02:38.07 | captain_proton | michaelh2: sort of |
| 02:38.25 | creeperz | It's actually a bot, yes. An "op bot" |
| 02:38.31 | creeperz | I think it's called |
| 02:38.37 | captain_proton | its a bot thats pretty closely tied in with the server |
| 02:38.42 | captain_proton | can do a bunch of stuff users can't |
| 02:39.17 | creeperz | Like report you if you say anything about weapons of mass destruction and get you banned |
| 02:39.38 | creeperz | So it's a cool bot |
| 02:39.38 | michaelh2 | *which* server would it be tied into ? :) |
| 02:39.46 | captain_proton | michaelh2: all of them |
| 02:39.55 | captain_proton | they all recognize "services." as a special host |
| 02:40.16 | russian-code | it's a part of services, a service working directly with the ircd with ircop/admin priveleges |
| 02:40.48 | creeperz | Who are you, russian-code? |
| 02:40.56 | captain_proton | russian-code: you wouldn't happen to be the friendly guy who wrote that DoS? |
| 02:41.00 | captain_proton | would you? |
| 02:46.34 | creeperz | HAHA! |
| 02:46.43 | creeperz | Someone made a tank for a bot! |
| 02:47.04 | creeperz | ...The tank died |
| 02:52.05 | *** part/#bzflag russian-code (killerno@gratisbsd.no) |
| 02:53.52 | fiberchunks_ | hrm, someone hauled anus pretty quick after captain_p asked em a question, wonder why? |
| 02:54.24 | creeperz | cap asked that question quite a while ago actually :-) |
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| 02:55.36 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 02:55.53 | creeperz | Hey, Pat |
| 02:56.12 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 02:56.21 | Patlabor221 | ugg this 1024x768 is gonna kill me |
| 02:56.27 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:56.39 | creeperz | You should see my screen res ;-) |
| 02:56.45 | Patlabor221 | 800x600 I'll bet |
| 02:56.53 | creeperz | So, the lower res I have, the faster it can be? |
| 02:56.58 | creeperz | Yup |
| 02:57.09 | Patlabor221 | since you are low on mem, yes |
| 02:57.28 | fiberchunks_ | heh, didn't even notice, no time stamps on this machine |
| 02:57.46 | creeperz | Patlabor221: What's a good CAD software>? |
| 02:57.53 | fiberchunks_ | solidworks :) |
| 02:57.55 | creeperz | Cheaper the better |
| 02:58.01 | fiberchunks_ | what OS? |
| 02:58.03 | creeperz | Good but cheap |
| 02:58.09 | creeperz | Windows |
| 02:58.11 | Patlabor221 | solidowks |
| 02:58.21 | Patlabor221 | what do you need to do? |
| 02:58.22 | creeperz | Hm |
| 02:58.26 | Patlabor221 | just 2d? |
| 02:58.26 | fiberchunks_ | I used cadkey for quite a while -- not sure how cheap it is, was cheap for me |
| 02:58.30 | Patlabor221 | or 3d solids? |
| 02:58.39 | creeperz | 2D is cool but prefer 3D |
| 02:58.47 | Patlabor221 | ashlar velum drawingboard is 2d and realy cheap |
| 02:58.58 | captain_proton | eh |
| 02:59.02 | captain_proton | so what if he scampered |
| 02:59.06 | fiberchunks_ | cadkey did both |
| 02:59.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah cadkey is good, but it's about 500 iirc |
| 02:59.22 | captain_proton | all i woulda done is thanked him for disclosing it to us first so we could get a patch out to the server owners before it got out into the wild ;) |
| 02:59.23 | fiberchunks_ | decent interface too, but again, I have no _real_ idea of what it cost |
| 02:59.31 | Patlabor221 | drwingboard is as lowas 100 |
| 02:59.31 | fiberchunks_ | ah, didn't know that Patlabor221, thx |
| 02:59.40 | fiberchunks_ | lol captain_proton |
| 02:59.52 | Patlabor221 | there are some freeware/shareware ones too |
| 03:00.02 | Patlabor221 | creep what are you drawing? |
| 03:00.25 | creeperz | I was thinking about the bot thing |
| 03:00.31 | creeperz | That and watching TV |
| 03:00.34 | creeperz | RobotWars |
| 03:00.47 | creeperz | And I kinda want to design one |
| 03:01.02 | Patlabor221 | then it depends on your drafting exp |
| 03:01.10 | Patlabor221 | supzor cap |
| 03:05.15 | Patlabor221 | I would check shareware.com or some place like that |
| 03:06.41 | creeperz | Yea |
| 03:06.49 | creeperz | download.com |
| 03:06.58 | creeperz | Any place like that, I guess |
| 03:09.03 | creeperz | Patlabor221: Ever hear or "Fantastic Sams"? |
| 03:14.09 | Patlabor221 | the haircut place? |
| 03:14.17 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 03:14.54 | creeperz | Yes |
| 03:15.04 | creeperz | My friend's dad owns it |
| 03:15.36 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 03:15.53 | creeperz | Cool huh |
| 03:15.54 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:16.11 | Patlabor221 | sure if you like REaLY bad haircuts |
| 03:16.21 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:16.30 | creeperz | He owns some other places too |
| 03:16.45 | captain_proton | does he own the company or a franchise? |
| 03:17.55 | creeperz | He owns the company |
| 03:18.04 | creeperz | And owns lots of others |
| 03:18.11 | fiberchunks_ | fantastic mikes: wanton palace, our motto is: have a hotdog and a hummer on the house! |
| 03:19.58 | Patlabor221 | he owns all the fantastic sam's in the world and he only has a hummer? |
| 03:20.42 | fiberchunks_ | heh, that would be my business, were I to have one (course, i'd have to move to vegas) |
| 03:20.45 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
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| 03:44.07 | creeperz | Hi |
| 03:44.13 | trepan | hi there |
| 03:44.33 | trepan | anyone know what's happening with 1_7g2? |
| 03:44.58 | captain_proton | waiting on tim to find time |
| 03:45.22 | trepan | ah... thx |
| 03:53.25 | creeperz | Extended Play hasa co-star and a new name? |
| 03:59.56 | fiberchunks_ | captain_proton: what does it mean when a linux system hangs after 'uncompressing linux... Ok, booting the kernel', and hangs with just a blinking cursor? |
| 04:00.14 | captain_proton | fiberchunks_: most likely that your kernel got corrupted |
| 04:00.53 | fiberchunks_ | hrm, fresh install - and i haven't diddled with the kernel(s) |
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| 04:19.30 | fiberchunks_ | captain_proton: wanna try and help me out with this? no one else seems able, and i can't find a damned thing about it anywhere pointing to an obvious solution |
| 04:20.48 | Nidhoggr | fiber.. my guess is a corrupted kernel |
| 04:21.56 | fiberchunks_ | mkay, next q: how can i slap a new kernel in there, if i can't compile one :\ |
| 04:22.28 | Nidhoggr | you can boot with a boot disk, and copy one in place after that. |
| 04:22.48 | fiberchunks_ | ah, good idea |
| 04:23.57 | Nidhoggr | do an fsck, though... just in case the corruption is further than the kernel. |
| 04:24.15 | fiberchunks_ | nah, everything is fresh -- new format tonite during install |
| 04:24.30 | Nidhoggr | I wonder how the kernel got wacked, then. |
| 04:24.33 | Nidhoggr | I'd still consider it. |
| 04:25.00 | fiberchunks_ | same here -- apparently the dudes in #mandrake are saying that the 9.1 and 9.0 kernels are like night and day |
| 04:25.10 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 04:26.11 | fiberchunks_ | which makes me seriously consider switching distros (although going from mandrake to gentoo or whatever on 3 boxen is a bit of a pita, imho) |
| 04:27.00 | Nidhoggr | gentoo is great if you don't mind a LOT of hands on... and is not suitable for production servers IMNSHO |
| 04:27.39 | captain_proton | oh no of course not |
| 04:27.46 | captain_proton | but it makes a great personal workstaiton |
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| 04:27.49 | Nidhoggr | nog |
| 04:27.51 | Nidhoggr | nod even |
| 04:29.45 | Nidhoggr | I went out for 2 hours to the botanical garden this morning, and was pretty much out of it for the rest of the day. |
| 04:29.56 | Nidhoggr | it was HOT today. |
| 04:30.06 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: where are you located? |
| 04:30.17 | Nidhoggr | Phoenix AZ |
| 04:30.22 | captain_proton | ah |
| 04:30.24 | Nidhoggr | it was 107 today. |
| 04:30.25 | captain_proton | pretty hot here |
| 04:30.33 | Nidhoggr | with some humidity |
| 04:30.39 | captain_proton | probably hit 100 (i'm a cold weather guy) |
| 04:30.39 | Noodleman | wow |
| 04:31.09 | Nidhoggr | supposed to get a little cooler, but the beginning of monsoon season is close, so we'll start seeing more humidity. |
| 04:31.39 | Nidhoggr | the monsoon type weather made it to tucson today, and we are having a windstorm/dust storm this evening. |
| 04:31.48 | captain_proton | summer for me is supposed to mean rain, not hotness :) |
| 04:32.07 | Nidhoggr | we get the big rain tease all summer long. |
| 04:32.21 | Nidhoggr | lots of clouds and wind, but little rain. |
| 04:35.07 | fiberchunks_ | don't mind the hands on, just don't like it when my machine don't boot, but used to :\ (and since it wasn't cheap, I really don't feel like buying new componentry) |
| 04:35.41 | Patlabor221 | still having issues? |
| 04:35.45 | Patlabor221 | what mobo you have? |
| 04:37.10 | fiberchunks_ | soyo dragon+ |
| 04:37.33 | fiberchunks_ | yeah -- now, at least, it boots without a black screen, but it hangs when it tries to load the kernel |
| 04:52.17 | fiberchunks_ | this is, in a word, bullshit (pardon my french) |
| 04:52.37 | fiberchunks_ | i am so irritated right now, i could switch to windows ;) |
| 05:00.44 | Patlabor221 | have you been able to try the boot CD thing? |
| 05:01.38 | Patlabor221 | I don't think scons likes me anymore |
| 05:02.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: howso |
| 05:02.24 | fiberchunks_ | heh, if i slap in a boot cd, it boots just fine (rescue mode) -- so it seems their new kernels are borked |
| 05:04.00 | Patlabor221 | *** no builder for target `Scrawl/Dialogs/About.cpp', needed by `Scrawl/dialogs/About.o'. stop |
| 05:04.23 | captain_proton | does "Scrawl/Dialogs/About.cpp" exist in the pwd of your build? |
| 05:04.32 | captain_proton | i'm betting you just want Dialogs/About.cpp |
| 05:04.44 | Patlabor221 | no it's just Dialogs/About.cpp |
| 05:04.54 | Patlabor221 | I think I see my problem |
| 05:05.03 | Patlabor221 | I don't need def prefixdir(name): |
| 05:05.05 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.10 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.12 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:05.19 | Patlabor221 | since the sources are in the same folder as the script |
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| 05:05.59 | Patlabor221 | I will learn to use this stuf!! :) |
| 05:08.27 | JBDiGriz | Kennel For Junior |
| 05:22.42 | fiberchunks_ | at least, for my system, their kernels are borked |
| 05:26.18 | Patlabor221 | well that means it's not hardware at least tho, right? |
| 05:28.12 | fiberchunks_ | seems to me that it does -- seems the hardware is doing it's job, but i am not totally assurred of that yet, since no X, but basic video display is there, yes |
| 05:29.05 | Patlabor221 | more then what your drive is doing at least |
| 05:29.06 | fiberchunks_ | and the rescue disk only recognizes 900+kB of my RAM, (as much as a non-enterprise kernel can recognize), so that may be another potential issue |
| 05:29.13 | fiberchunks_ | true enough. |
| 05:29.15 | Patlabor221 | is there anyway to update, or rebuild your kenel? |
| 05:29.26 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 05:29.35 | fiberchunks_ | not with the system in it's current state, no |
| 05:30.11 | fiberchunks_ | pisser of it is, all these supposed mandrake wizards tried (and i definitely give them credit for trying), but noone has come up with a solution |
| 05:30.49 | fiberchunks_ | which is one of the _major_ things that irritates me about some of these distros -- install a minimal -- works across the board -- system, then let the user dick with the kernel if they'd like |
| 05:30.50 | captain_proton | 900+kB? |
| 05:31.07 | fiberchunks_ | yeah. I have 1G ram in this box |
| 05:31.15 | fiberchunks_ | heh, sry, 900,000kB |
| 05:31.17 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
| 05:31.36 | fiberchunks_ | i'm getting tired, and this shite is really taking it out of me |
| 05:31.39 | creeperz | I have like 180 :-/ |
| 05:31.51 | creeperz | Wait |
| 05:31.58 | Patlabor221 | you have 64 megs |
| 05:31.58 | creeperz | Less than that! :'( |
| 05:32.03 | creeperz | :-) |
| 05:32.14 | creeperz | I can't be an impressionist? |
| 05:32.24 | Patlabor221 | not in text |
| 05:32.37 | fiberchunks_ | i do wish, in retrospect, that i had kept that card -- just to see if it is some hokey hardware thing (which i don't believe it is, imho) |
| 05:33.07 | fiberchunks_ | got a spare gf3 ti 500 lying about that i could borrow for a week or so, jeff? |
| 05:33.24 | creeperz | Just kidding :-) |
| 05:33.35 | Patlabor221 | if you realy need it I could get you another card |
| 05:33.48 | creeperz | Geez |
| 05:33.55 | Patlabor221 | I know I have a voodoo 5 |
| 05:34.01 | fiberchunks_ | just want a card equiv. to mine to see if there is any sort of video voodoo going on |
| 05:34.02 | Patlabor221 | that you coudl borrow |
| 05:34.07 | fiberchunks_ | but i doubt it |
| 05:34.11 | creeperz | I launched Galeon about half an hour ago and NOW it's up! |
| 05:34.19 | Patlabor221 | get more ram creeper |
| 05:34.24 | captain_proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/love_is_blindness.mp3 |
| 05:34.28 | Patlabor221 | or use windowmaker |
| 05:34.32 | Patlabor221 | that was a good song cap |
| 05:34.35 | creeperz | Patlabor221: My dad won't let me |
| 05:34.35 | fiberchunks_ | yeah, what is it, like 1.20 for 128 MB of ram these days? |
| 05:34.47 | Patlabor221 | 27$ |
| 05:34.58 | Patlabor221 | then run windowmaker instead of KDE |
| 05:35.01 | creeperz | I told him that's what I needed about a day after I installed RHL9.0 |
| 05:35.03 | Patlabor221 | or gnome |
| 05:35.08 | captain_proton | more singers need voices like that |
| 05:35.10 | fiberchunks_ | fluxbox |
| 05:35.13 | creeperz | He thinks I'm fairly stupid |
| 05:35.24 | fiberchunks_ | the ultimate in minimalism |
| 05:35.27 | creeperz | I think I'm fairly stupid |
| 05:35.42 | creeperz | But he said "Ohh, you don't know that" |
| 05:35.45 | fiberchunks_ | all parents think they're kids are fairly stupid, esp when they do stupid things ;) |
| 05:36.00 | fiberchunks_ | s/they're/their |
| 05:36.11 | creeperz | Then he tells me to talk to this guy about it and the guy is always busy and disagrees with everything I say |
| 05:36.36 | fiberchunks_ | ooo, she's a very nice voice |
| 05:36.56 | creeperz | The weird thing is that my dad knows jack about computers even compared to me |
| 05:36.57 | fiberchunks_ | what group, captain_proton |
| 05:37.02 | creeperz | Now that's pretty damn low |
| 05:37.28 | captain_proton | trespassers william |
| 05:37.38 | Patlabor221 | you should check and see if you even have another slot open |
| 05:37.47 | fiberchunks_ | just find some obscure passage about computers somewhere, and quiz the 'guru' friend of your fathers' about it -- but it must be highly obscure |
| 05:37.55 | fiberchunks_ | thx |
| 05:38.05 | fiberchunks_ | new group, old broup? |
| 05:38.09 | fiberchunks_ | group, even |
| 05:38.13 | captain_proton | sortof new |
| 05:38.17 | captain_proton | this album was 2002 |
| 05:38.19 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 05:38.26 | captain_proton | i think they put out one in 1997 but i haven't heard that |
| 05:38.52 | fiberchunks_ | little heavy on the reverb -- but it provides 'ambiance' ;) |
| 05:39.13 | captain_proton | the reverb works because in general the guitar/piano is pretty barren |
| 05:39.18 | fiberchunks_ | yeah |
| 05:39.44 | captain_proton | and...ohh man, her voice |
| 05:39.57 | fiberchunks_ | creeperz: make sure your father is there when you quiz the guru on the obscurity -- then you can impress 'im |
| 05:40.28 | creeperz | I asked the "guru" and the guy says that "that can't be the problem" |
| 05:40.32 | fiberchunks_ | she does have a _real_ nice voice -- very sulty |
| 05:40.35 | fiberchunks_ | sultry, even |
| 05:40.40 | fiberchunks_ | and full |
| 05:40.50 | creeperz | And the guy knows apps and thats about it |
| 05:40.51 | fiberchunks_ | don't ask, tell him |
| 05:41.01 | creeperz | Tell him what? |
| 05:41.59 | fiberchunks_ | as a matter of fact, purposely screw up a computer (like cut the ide cable connectors 4 and 12, or whatever, and then have Mr. Wizard diagnose it. He'll usually be wrong (because almost NOONE checks cabling), and you can just swap the cable out, and viola! you're a genious |
| 05:42.27 | captain_proton | its sad how noone checks cabling |
| 05:42.34 | captain_proton | because its the easiest problem to fix |
| 05:42.39 | fiberchunks_ | that's what the obscurity is for -- tell him he's wrong, point out why, and then show Mr. Wizard how to properly fix the thing |
| 05:42.45 | fiberchunks_ | concur, concur, concur |
| 05:43.02 | fiberchunks_ | wonder how many people have bought new ps's due to crap power cables? |
| 05:43.13 | fiberchunks_ | or hard drives, etc |
| 05:43.44 | Patlabor221 | I allways do that to the salespeople at comp stores |
| 05:43.55 | Patlabor221 | tell them they are wrong and what the customer ACTUALY needs |
| 05:43.57 | Patlabor221 | they hate me :) |
| 05:44.47 | fiberchunks_ | or some other really trivial thing -- don't seat your cards all the way (another thing that most don't check -- for what reason, I have NO idea), jumper the hard drive as a slave, when it should be cable select or master, etc |
| 05:45.02 | captain_proton | guy i know was trying to get a certain motherboard at compusa |
| 05:45.30 | captain_proton | salesperson couldn't understand that the case was a custom 1U and that "standard blah blah" wouldn't work |
| 05:46.06 | Patlabor221 | why woudl ANYONE shop at comp USA? |
| 05:46.22 | captain_proton | dunno |
| 05:46.26 | Patlabor221 | did he just have cash and time to waste? |
| 05:46.28 | captain_proton | i think he wanted the board the same day |
| 05:46.59 | Patlabor221 | but still |
| 05:47.12 | Patlabor221 | if you can't say ATX and tower, then they ain't gonna have it |
| 05:47.14 | fiberchunks_ | if you're gonna shop for parts retail, i say go Frys (which, regretfully, they have none of here) |
| 05:47.23 | captain_proton | none of those here |
| 05:47.27 | Patlabor221 | those are the people that hate me :) |
| 05:47.32 | fiberchunks_ | LOL |
| 05:47.50 | fiberchunks_ | they have, at least, a decent selection of 'bizarre' hardware (oscopes and what not) |
| 05:48.14 | Patlabor221 | the have good stuff |
| 05:48.15 | captain_proton | how much are their scopes? |
| 05:48.19 | captain_proton | (are they analog?) |
| 05:48.24 | Patlabor221 | they have many |
| 05:48.30 | fiberchunks_ | they've got digi too -- not sure how much |
| 05:48.31 | Patlabor221 | a dept for components actualy |
| 05:48.41 | Patlabor221 | they are usualy a bit more then net prices |
| 05:48.44 | captain_proton | digi = teh suck |
| 05:49.23 | Patlabor221 | we've got some scopes that I think we are gonna put on ebay |
| 05:49.25 | Patlabor221 | huge things |
| 05:49.48 | fiberchunks_ | feh, we've got a $50k digi oscope at work, works a treat for what we need it for (mostly uber high frequency stuff), those and the spectrum analyzers / network analyzers are ludicrously expensive |
| 05:50.02 | fiberchunks_ | and high sample rates |
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| 05:50.10 | captain_proton | fiberchunks_: i'm not saying that $50k digis are teh suck |
| 05:50.14 | captain_proton | just the affordable ones |
| 05:50.20 | fiberchunks_ | lol, true |
| 05:50.40 | captain_proton | whereas just about any analog scope will work |
| 05:50.51 | fiberchunks_ | textronics makes a nice dual-channel digi oscope to 2 G for about 5k, I think |
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| 05:50.58 | fiberchunks_ | true |
| 05:51.25 | fiberchunks_ | i almost peed myself when they told me how much the 50 GHz spectrum analyzer cost |
| 05:51.49 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 05:52.41 | fiberchunks_ | captain_proton: you use gentoo? |
| 05:53.04 | captain_proton | fiberchunks_: yah |
| 05:53.13 | fiberchunks_ | what're your h/ware specs? |
| 05:53.30 | fiberchunks_ | primarily interested in processor, vid card, |
| 05:53.58 | captain_proton | p4 1.7, 768M, gf3 standard |
| 05:54.19 | fiberchunks_ | any major installation issues that i should be aware of if / when i switch over? |
| 05:54.30 | captain_proton | eh |
| 05:54.31 | captain_proton | not really |
| 05:54.41 | captain_proton | gentoo is great for users who really know what they're doing |
| 05:54.47 | fiberchunks_ | I have an idea ;) |
| 05:54.50 | captain_proton | but anyone else is going to be hurting |
| 05:55.34 | fiberchunks_ | i think i might grab a stage 3 tarball, and argue with it on this box -- see if that helps anything (and if, indeed, it is mdk that's borked) |
| 05:56.10 | fiberchunks_ | which rev are you using, 1.4-rc3 (or whatever the latest is) |
| 05:57.35 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 05:57.59 | fiberchunks_ | cool - think i'll fiddle with it tomorrow |
| 05:58.30 | fiberchunks_ | but now, I must sleep, take it easy, thx for the info |
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| 11:35.05 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 13:29.02 | Big_Barrel__ | ~ducati6 |
| 13:29.03 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
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| 14:22.15 | doughecka | ~14400/60/60 |
| 14:22.16 | | 4 |
| 14:24.40 | rbergero | 4 hours? |
| 14:24.45 | doughecka | hehe |
| 14:24.52 | doughecka | how do I untar a file? |
| 14:25.18 | rbergero | tar xf <file> -C <destdir> |
| 14:25.24 | rooter | tar xvf file.tar |
| 14:25.39 | doughecka | thc |
| 14:25.40 | doughecka | thx |
| 14:25.43 | rooter | :) |
| 14:25.58 | rooter | doughecka: what? you got tar for windows now :) |
| 14:26.05 | doughecka | no |
| 14:26.14 | doughecka | I am trying to compile something for my zaurus |
| 14:26.20 | rooter | ooooh |
| 14:26.29 | rooter | cool beans |
| 14:26.53 | doughecka | on the handhelds cluster |
| 14:27.13 | rooter | really... wireless handheld cluster? |
| 14:27.40 | doughecka | not wireless, but they have like 15 arm pdas runnin linux |
| 14:27.54 | doughecka | http://www.handhelds.org/projects/skiffcluster.html |
| 14:28.06 | rooter | that's cool... i have an iPac i use wirelessly at home to control my audiotron |
| 14:28.13 | doughecka | heh |
| 14:28.45 | Big_Barrel__ | hi root |
| 14:28.57 | rooter | hey Big_Barrel__ |
| 14:29.18 | Big_Barrel__ | whatcha up to? |
| 14:30.01 | rooter | i'm creating a CD presentation in Director |
| 14:30.12 | rooter | you wouldn't happen to be a Lingo wiz would you? |
| 14:30.26 | doughecka | anyone have a crosscompiling setup with qt installed? |
| 14:30.35 | doughecka | for the arm chip? |
| 14:30.52 | Big_Barrel__ | no srry |
| 14:31.00 | rooter | lol... anyone happen to know my girlfriend's sister? |
| 14:31.05 | doughecka | no |
| 14:31.39 | Big_Barrel__ | i know her? |
| 14:32.47 | rooter | good... ask her to bring the other kumquats. |
| 14:37.22 | Big_Barrel__ | gefahrlich das gebrannte knid |
| 14:37.29 | Big_Barrel__ | n**kind |
| 14:38.08 | rooter | burned? |
| 14:38.57 | Big_Barrel__ | the burned child is dangerous.....lol |
| 14:39.21 | Big_Barrel__ | gefahrlich das gebrannte kind=the burned child is dangerous |
| 14:39.34 | rooter | i see |
| 14:39.51 | Big_Barrel__ | Ramstein - Feuer Frei |
| 14:40.07 | rooter | das gebrannte Kind ist gefährlich |
| 14:40.29 | rooter | fire free |
| 14:40.30 | doughecka | ~x de en das gebrannte Kind ist gefährlich |
| 14:41.28 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en das gleichgewicht wird zum verlust |
| 14:41.38 | Big_Barrel__ | nlol |
| 14:42.54 | rooter | ~x Ich mag Macs, aber ich mag nicht die meisten Mac-Benutzer. |
| 14:43.16 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en wer zu Lubzeit gut auf enden wird nach dam tod ein Engel werden den Blick gen Himmel fragst du Dann warum man sie nich sehen kann |
| 14:44.14 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en alle warten auf das licht |
| 14:44.54 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en Ich warte auf das licht |
| 14:45.22 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot you are too cool :) |
| 14:45.23 | | Big_Barrel__: what are you talking about? |
| 14:45.36 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot you are cool |
| 14:45.36 | | Big_Barrel__: what are you talking about? |
| 14:46.03 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot cool=rad dude |
| 14:46.03 | | Big_Barrel__: are you using Windows? |
| 14:46.08 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 14:46.11 | rooter | lol |
| 14:46.25 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot yes |
| 14:46.26 | | You dont say! |
| 14:46.33 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 14:46.43 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot you are a really funny guy |
| 14:46.43 | | Big_Barrel__: what are you talking about? |
| 14:46.57 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot funny=laughter |
| 14:46.57 | | Big_Barrel__: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 14:47.04 | rooter | lol |
| 14:47.06 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 14:47.12 | Big_Barrel__ | lmao |
| 14:47.33 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot wher is the f***** manual? |
| 14:47.33 | | ...but wher is already something else... |
| 14:47.52 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot help |
| 14:48.08 | rooter | ibot BB is crazy |
| 14:48.08 | | ...but bb is already something else... |
| 14:48.12 | rooter | ~bb |
| 14:48.12 | | Audio visual demonstration for your text terminal. URL: http://www.ta.jcu.cz/aa/bb/ |
| 14:48.19 | rooter | i see |
| 14:48.31 | rooter | ibot big_barrel is crazy talk |
| 14:48.32 | | okay, rooter |
| 14:48.39 | rooter | ~big_barrel |
| 14:48.39 | | i heard big_barrel is crazy talk |
| 14:49.18 | Big_Barrel__ | where can i find x? |
| 14:49.31 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot where can i find x? |
| 14:49.35 | | x is probably a generic standard. Maybe you mean Xfree86. |
| 14:50.43 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot are you using windows? |
| 14:50.44 | | i haven't a clue, Big_Barrel__ |
| 14:51.08 | Big_Barrel__ | ~big_barrel |
| 14:51.08 | | somebody said big_barrel was crazy talk |
| 14:51.21 | rooter | ibot do you use windows |
| 14:51.21 | | rooter: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:51.22 | Big_Barrel__ | ~rooter |
| 14:51.22 | | it has been said that rooter is a curious guy |
| 14:51.30 | doughecka | ~hooter |
| 14:51.55 | Big_Barrel__ | ~doughecka |
| 14:51.56 | | doughecka is probably a total loser that has a fubar zaurus |
| 14:51.56 | Noodlebot | doughecka is odd |
| 14:52.06 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 14:52.34 | Big_Barrel__ | ~ibot chestal |
| 14:52.35 | | a german gent that enjoys croissants with his pet duck, Tag. |
| 14:52.43 | Big_Barrel__ | lmao |
| 14:52.54 | Big_Barrel__ | you are just too funny for school ibot |
| 14:53.10 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot do you like beer? |
| 14:53.11 | | Big_Barrel__: are you using Windows? |
| 14:53.18 | Noodlebot | hey, george-cgi looks funny |
| 14:53.21 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot no |
| 14:53.22 | | YES |
| 14:53.43 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot no |
| 14:53.44 | | YES |
| 14:53.47 | rbergero | ibot yes |
| 14:53.47 | | You dont say! |
| 14:54.16 | Big_Barrel__ | ~noodlebot |
| 14:54.17 | Noodlebot | a Noodlebot, written by Noodleman |
| 14:54.17 | Noodlebot | check out #noodlebot on irc.freenode.net! |
| 14:55.14 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 14:55.16 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 14:55.58 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot what else are you good for? |
| 14:55.58 | | Big_Barrel__: what are you talking about? |
| 14:56.18 | Big_Barrel__ | is there a man page out there for ibot? |
| 14:56.39 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot are you a virgin? |
| 14:56.39 | | i haven't a clue, Big_Barrel__ |
| 14:56.43 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 14:57.24 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en fichen sie madchen nach der schule |
| 14:58.01 | Big_Barrel__ | hmmm, interesting |
| 14:58.13 | Big_Barrel__ | ~ducati6 |
| 14:58.18 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 14:58.32 | doughecka | ~insult Big_Barrel__ |
| 14:58.32 | Noodlebot | thy food is such as hath been belch'd upon by infected lungs, big_barrel__. |
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| 14:58.59 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult doughecka |
| 14:59.45 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult ibot |
| 14:59.45 | | go stick ibot's head in a pig, big_barrel__. |
| 14:59.45 | Noodlebot | ibot, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous. |
| 14:59.46 | | i don't know, Noodlebot |
| 15:00.10 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 15:00.19 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult noodlebot |
| 15:00.28 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult ibot |
| 15:00.29 | | go stick ibot's head in a pig, big_barrel__. |
| 15:02.48 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult rooter |
| 15:02.48 | Noodlebot | hast thou never an eye in thine head, rooter? |
| 15:03.02 | Big_Barrel__ | ~insult rooter |
| 15:03.52 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en wir sind de cusen |
| 15:04.20 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en wen wir crusen |
| 15:05.31 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en lighter |
| 15:05.59 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de en sprechen sie deutsch? |
| 15:06.35 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x sprechen sie iraq? |
| 15:07.07 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x de sprechen sie iraq? |
| 15:08.04 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot who are you? |
| 15:08.05 | | methinks ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 15:08.15 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot do you play bzflag? |
| 15:08.16 | | Big_Barrel__: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 15:09.45 | *** join/#bzflag Big_Barrel__ (~chatzilla@adsl-65-67-133-50.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) |
| 15:16.10 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de big barrel |
| 15:16.31 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de barrell |
| 15:16.55 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de big barrell |
| 15:17.34 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de crap eater |
| 15:17.58 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de feces eater |
| 15:18.25 | Big_Barrel__ | ~bzflag |
| 15:18.26 | | hmm... bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming |
| 15:18.26 | Noodlebot | bzflag is playable with software rendering if you use the lowest graphics settings, but a 3d accelerator will make it look a lot better |
| 15:20.15 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de i drink beer at least forty times a day |
| 15:20.29 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 15:21.36 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de hell on wheels is the best |
| 15:31.36 | *** join/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 15:34.08 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de bzflag is the best game in the world |
| 15:36.47 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de chestal you are a really cool dude |
| 15:37.56 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de chestal you are a really great dude |
| 15:38.24 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de good |
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| 15:39.13 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 15:40.04 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en de you are really good at bzflag |
| 15:41.54 | [dmp] | ~big_barrel |
| 15:41.55 | | big_barrel is probably a dude without a life |
| 15:43.11 | Big_Barrel__ | hiya dmp |
| 15:43.18 | Big_Barrel__ | ~[dmp] |
| 15:43.18 | | is reachable at dennismp@users.sf.net |
| 15:43.19 | [dmp] | hi :) |
| 15:44.04 | Big_Barrel__ | what is the abreveation for danish? |
| 15:44.19 | Big_Barrel__ | like deutsh is de, and english is en |
| 15:44.24 | [dmp] | da |
| 15:44.27 | Big_Barrel__ | nok |
| 15:44.42 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en da [dmp] is a cool guy |
| 15:44.43 | | okay, Big_Barrel__ |
| 15:45.00 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en da good |
| 15:45.19 | Big_Barrel__ | does ibot transulate danish? |
| 15:45.33 | Big_Barrel__ | ~x en ch good |
| 15:46.14 | Big_Barrel__ | ~MrCooper |
| 15:49.13 | nikt | ~drink |
| 15:49.14 | | ACTION chugs a Heineken. |
| 15:49.15 | nikt | ~beer |
| 15:49.16 | | from memory, beer is ummm, ummm good! |
| 15:50.02 | [dmp] | guess not, Big_Barrel |
| 15:50.39 | Big_Barrel__ | ~beer |
| 15:50.40 | | i heard beer is ummm, ummm good! |
| 15:50.46 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 15:50.59 | Big_Barrel__ | ~nikt |
| 15:51.14 | Big_Barrel__ | i think ibot is hung up |
| 15:51.27 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot are you on drugs? |
| 15:51.27 | | i haven't a clue, Big_Barrel__ |
| 15:51.32 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 15:51.47 | Big_Barrel__ | ~women |
| 15:52.11 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot what is the meaning of life? |
| 15:52.11 | | Big_Barrel__: what are you talking about? |
| 15:52.23 | Big_Barrel__ | you know...the meaning of life |
| 15:52.46 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot do you smoke? |
| 15:52.47 | | Big_Barrel__: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
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| 15:54.09 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot i will brb i must go smoke |
| 15:54.09 | | bugger all, i dunno, Big_Barrel__ |
| 15:54.33 | Big_Barrel__ | i promise, just give me 3 min ibot |
| 16:00.57 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot i am back |
| 16:00.57 | | bugger all, i dunno, Big_Barrel__ |
| 16:01.16 | Big_Barrel__ | ibot are you smart? |
| 16:01.16 | | wish i knew, Big_Barrel__ |
| 16:01.23 | Big_Barrel__ | lol |
| 16:01.35 | Patlabor221 | what was the quiet command again? |
| 16:01.50 | dougheckaa | -q or -g |
| 16:01.52 | dougheckaa | I forget |
| 16:02.03 | Chestal | bb: don't play with the bot in public so much |
| 16:02.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+ibt -g!*@*] by Patlabor221 |
| 16:02.15 | Chestal | too much channel noise |
| 16:02.17 | Patlabor221 | wow what the hell is G |
| 16:02.23 | *** mode/#bzflag [+ibt +g!*@*] by Patlabor221 |
| 16:02.32 | Chestal | uhm |
| 16:02.43 | Patlabor221 | don't think I shall do that again |
| 16:02.51 | Chestal | what's i and b? |
| 16:03.22 | Patlabor221 | i don't know |
| 16:03.29 | Patlabor221 | what is t? |
| 16:03.39 | Chestal | topic |
| 16:03.42 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 16:03.58 | dougheckaa | +q (quiet user) |
| 16:04.30 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
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| 16:09.45 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 16:09.47 | captain_pistachi | geez |
| 16:09.50 | captain_pistachi | why +i? |
| 16:10.00 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: was playing :) |
| 16:10.05 | Patlabor221 | that was all from -g |
| 16:10.18 | captain_pistachi | why +? |
| 16:10.20 | captain_pistachi | er |
| 16:10.23 | captain_pistachi | why +i? |
| 16:10.27 | Patlabor221 | I did -g then +g |
| 16:10.44 | Patlabor221 | what is I |
| 16:11.04 | dougheckaa | invite |
| 16:11.08 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 16:11.17 | captain_pistachi | right now nobody new can join |
| 16:11.19 | *** mode/#bzflag [-i] by captain_pistachi |
| 16:11.26 | Patlabor221 | dam |
| 16:11.28 | Patlabor221 | I"m sorry |
| 16:11.37 | Patlabor221 | see what I get for listenin to doug |
| 16:11.52 | dougheckaa | you asked, and I didnt have the webpage open :) |
| 16:13.08 | dougheckaa | hey cool, the knoppix live cd mounts NTFS drives |
| 16:14.06 | Patlabor221 | now I realy want to know what +G is suposed to do |
| 16:15.04 | dougheckaa | it doesnt have it on freenode |
| 16:15.14 | dougheckaa | +c (color filter) |
| 16:15.18 | dougheckaa | :) thats cool |
| 16:15.19 | Patlabor221 | It looks like an X-char macro or something |
| 16:15.31 | Patlabor221 | xchat sorry |
| 16:16.00 | dougheckaa | indeed |
| 16:16.37 | Patlabor221 | hmmm you can make plug-ins in C for this thing? |
| 16:16.59 | dougheckaa | yea, it looks like it, and perl too, I think |
| 16:17.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh suxor, only on linux as .so |
| 16:17.05 | dougheckaa | python |
| 16:17.10 | Patlabor221 | damn why no dlls |
| 16:17.23 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 16:19.08 | dougheckaa | I thought dlls are baaad |
| 16:19.16 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 16:19.31 | dougheckaa | dunno, I just thunk that :P |
| 16:19.34 | Patlabor221 | for what they are doing here they can be used in the same way as .so files |
| 16:19.39 | Patlabor221 | it's just a shared library |
| 16:19.41 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 16:19.44 | dougheckaa | right |
| 16:20.00 | dougheckaa | ah, perl, python, and .so files |
| 16:20.01 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 16:20.06 | Patlabor221 | some people go apeshit with them, and that, like any other excess, is bad |
| 16:20.20 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 16:20.42 | Patlabor221 | bahhh uses gtk |
| 16:21.42 | Patlabor221 | tho it shoudl be time to see if gtk is more stable in winderz |
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| 16:37.31 | fiberchunks_ | lo |
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| 16:37.38 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 16:38.55 | fiberchunks_ | so, i'm trying out gentoo -- and if it works - i'm ditching mandrake permanently -- this whole comp thing last night has really lit me fire off |
| 16:39.10 | doughecka | what comp thing |
| 16:39.30 | fiberchunks_ | long story |
| 16:55.03 | Patlabor221 | now that was funny |
| 16:55.33 | fiberchunks_ | wha? |
| 16:55.41 | Patlabor221 | Red vs blue * 8 |
| 16:55.46 | Patlabor221 | #8 |
| 16:55.56 | fiberchunks_ | i gotta get them |
| 16:56.43 | fiberchunks_ | i do believe i'm starting to like gentoo |
| 16:57.02 | fiberchunks_ | this memtest kernel i'm running right now is pounding the hell outta my ram |
| 16:57.15 | fiberchunks_ | and the l[12] cache |
| 16:57.27 | Patlabor221 | I have all the rvbs if you want them |
| 16:57.31 | Patlabor221 | well all the ones that exist |
| 16:57.44 | fiberchunks_ | same server? |
| 16:57.48 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:57.53 | fiberchunks_ | mkay |
| 16:58.03 | Patlabor221 | in /movie/BloodGulch/ |
| 16:58.20 | fiberchunks_ | grab some tonight |
| 16:58.51 | Patlabor221 | they are small, in the 20-30 meg range |
| 17:04.17 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 17:04.33 | KR | hi all |
| 17:04.52 | fiberchunks_ | lo kr |
| 17:05.06 | KR | i'm listening in on the SCO conference call with "industry executives and press" :) |
| 17:05.12 | KR | nlol |
| 17:05.25 | fiberchunks_ | joy -- i hope they burn in hell :\ |
| 17:05.37 | KR | me too :) trying to get the skinny |
| 17:06.00 | KR | nlol |
| 17:06.04 | KR | "n" |
| 17:06.16 | KR | i can hear the devil now... |
| 17:06.28 | stibnite | hey if you're gonna have flashbacks, unisys and .gif seem much milder than, say, trees with teeth that howl your name |
| 17:06.44 | KR | lmao |
| 17:06.47 | fiberchunks_ | depends on how many gifs you once had :) |
| 17:07.25 | fiberchunks_ | personally, i rather be chased by trees, than have to deal with a lawyer |
| 17:07.36 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
| 17:07.47 | KR | SCO claiming they own copyrights |
| 17:08.05 | KR | saying Novell is desoperatley currying favor w/Linux users/community |
| 17:08.37 | KR | SCO owns all rights (everything) Unix |
| 17:08.42 | KR | they claim |
| 17:08.43 | fiberchunks_ | whatever -- if they had copyright material in there, why is it that they bitch about it now?!? (notice they licensed some stuff to M$, btw) |
| 17:10.16 | KR | legalese and FUD so far |
| 17:10.44 | KR | and broad claims to ownership of liscenses and sub liscenses |
| 17:11.48 | fiberchunks_ | that's funny, i thought: http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/05/23/1053585678840.html |
| 17:11.58 | fiberchunks_ | The open group owned Unix tm |
| 17:12.00 | KR | "viewing oppportunites" start next week for liscensees and "observers" |
| 17:12.22 | KR | taking questions now |
| 17:12.23 | fiberchunks_ | check this out: http://www.internetweek.com/breakingNews/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=9901350 |
| 17:12.29 | KR | didn't say anything new yet |
| 17:12.43 | fiberchunks_ | hahahahah, sue commercial linux users -- whatever |
| 17:13.49 | fiberchunks_ | i surmise, that if IBM, novell, oracle, red hat, mandrake, linus, put their resources into it, that SCO will shut up relatively quickly |
| 17:13.55 | KR | q: are these proceedings causing questions/problems with your customers - a: no |
| 17:14.00 | fiberchunks_ | seems like a last stand for a dying company, to me |
| 17:14.04 | KR | me too |
| 17:14.06 | fiberchunks_ | hehehe |
| 17:14.12 | prot-work | eh |
| 17:14.28 | prot-work | someone on slashdot summarized the way that big companies handle this |
| 17:14.38 | prot-work | and they actually got it right |
| 17:14.44 | fiberchunks_ | which was? |
| 17:15.02 | prot-work | you can be sure that IBM is looking to find every single patent infringement that SCO has made |
| 17:15.15 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 17:15.16 | prot-work | then they'll present SCO with a 50 page list of IBM patents |
| 17:15.29 | prot-work | and ask if they want to sit down and maybe work out a cross-licensing deal |
| 17:16.01 | JBDiGriz | I hope they don't work out a cross-licensing deal. It implies that SCO actually has something to trade. |
| 17:16.01 | KR | linuxworld q: are u contributing to the "damage" u claim by not showing the "stolen code" - a:wait til next week |
| 17:16.18 | fiberchunks_ | prot-work: you ever run the gentoo memtest kernel? |
| 17:16.52 | fiberchunks_ | hrm, software patents -- yummy |
| 17:16.54 | prot-work | fiberchunks_: nah |
| 17:17.16 | KR | q: is this your last gasp roll of the dice? - a:no we are only company in the world who has 30,000 UNIX customers and this isnt hurting us at all |
| 17:17.24 | fiberchunks_ | just wonderin - want to test the whoot out of my mem -- but it takes a large chunk o time (wondering how many tests it runs) |
| 17:17.27 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: well, thats how it would work if SCO actually has real evidence |
| 17:17.41 | prot-work | fiberchunks_: might as well run memtest86 at that point |
| 17:17.46 | JBDiGriz | AT&T Unix was protected as a "Trade Secret". There weren't software patents at the time. |
| 17:17.55 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 17:18.17 | fiberchunks_ | i think that's all it is, really, but off of a boot disk, rather than from cli |
| 17:18.31 | fiberchunks_ | i think it's just about finished |
| 17:18.33 | prot-work | memtest86 is a floppy image |
| 17:18.40 | JBDiGriz | There was a Unix patent on the setuid bit, but it was related to hardware that Ken Thompson had done. |
| 17:18.47 | fiberchunks_ | yeah, then that's precisely what it is |
| 17:19.02 | KR | q:how come you mentioned no copyrights and patents when you talked about the Novell contracts - a:they show "intent", it is understood by us |
| 17:19.21 | KR | a:our contract rights are so strong we are holding aces |
| 17:20.07 | fiberchunks_ | look here: http://www.infoworld.com/article/03/05/21/HNmssco_1.html <-- wonder if this has anything to do with the recent foolishness (I would wager $100 it does) |
| 17:20.14 | JBDiGriz | Does anyone else remember the AT&T vs. BSDI suit? |
| 17:20.24 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: yep |
| 17:20.39 | KR | q: you are saying that *you* have the copyrights, is Novell wrong about that? - a: there is contract language that says we do, ,but whther or not we do, we have the rights to enforce the way we are |
| 17:20.45 | Patlabor221 | now why the hell didn't I install C++ on asgard |
| 17:22.17 | JBDiGriz | I actually thought SCO had gotten it's act together after kicking out its founder. |
| 17:22.19 | KR | q:as a formewr Novell exec were you caught off-guard by this? - a:no, Novell was sposed to come over and we were going to show them the code, but they didnt show |
| 17:22.52 | KR | a:and Novell timed their announcement to our earnings statement relaease, ,they were trying to screw that up |
| 17:23.17 | KR | a:we've been betrayed, and we were surprised by it |
| 17:24.20 | fiberchunks_ | can you patent air? i think that might be a lucrative business venture: 'do you use air, a: yes, q: have you bought the appropriate license for air? a: no - pay us' |
| 17:24.26 | fiberchunks_ | the bzflag air consortium |
| 17:24.28 | fiberchunks_ | :) |
| 17:24.48 | JBDiGriz | Maybe we should work on that rather than coding! :) |
| 17:24.53 | KR | q:could anyone be using Linux in a legitimate way and not be in violation of your claims - a:only if its really old Linux, but all the versions we've seen have our stuff in it, specificallly 2.4 and later |
| 17:24.58 | fiberchunks_ | we could pay the devs with the air proceeds |
| 17:25.27 | fiberchunks_ | do they ever clarify _which_ 'stuff' is in 2.4? |
| 17:25.40 | fiberchunks_ | or is that part of the 'next week we'll show you the code' thing |
| 17:25.41 | KR | some of their prop code |
| 17:25.42 | JBDiGriz | Has SCO made any claims against the BSD kernel, besides some offhand remarks directed at Apple? |
| 17:25.46 | KR | proprietary |
| 17:25.51 | KR | not yet |
| 17:25.54 | KR | :) |
| 17:26.34 | KR | is part of what wil comeout next week i guess |
| 17:27.20 | fiberchunks_ | *gasp* *gasp* - must ... levy ... lawsuit ... save ... our ... user base.... *gasp* *thud* |
| 17:28.17 | KR | gartner q:if u don't get a judgement in time for IBM renewal, what will u do, and has Linus or other in community tried to work w/you, if they have would you let them bring the kernel into compliance |
| 17:28.17 | JBDiGriz | SCO Unix User Base: 30,000 ... Apple Unix User Base: 2,000,000 ... Linux Unix User Base: ??? |
| 17:28.33 | fiberchunks_ | i would wager a lot more than apple |
| 17:28.44 | JBDiGriz | I bet it's larger than SCO certainly! |
| 17:28.46 | fiberchunks_ | 10's of millions |
| 17:29.13 | KR | a: first question - re IBM, we have a strategy but we arent saying what it is |
| 17:29.40 | JBDiGriz | I would wager it's at least in the range of Apple. |
| 17:29.43 | KR | a:2nd question - some have tried to get in touch with us, but he didn't give an answer, just that hes talked to someone |
| 17:30.23 | prot-work | SCO isn't gonna let them bring the kernel into compliance until its sucked some money |
| 17:30.39 | JBDiGriz | It didn't work for AT&T. |
| 17:30.54 | fiberchunks_ | JBDiGriz: there's no accurate way to count 'em imho, since there's no licensing / data collection mechanism, so I'm not sure how we could estimate 1) strict linux users (such as myself), 2) casual dual-booters |
| 17:31.41 | fiberchunks_ | pure windows users are easy to track (theoretically), since they must own a license for each machine they have (and for some machines that don't even run windows, for petes sake) |
| 17:31.51 | JBDiGriz | I would count dual-booters as linux users. |
| 17:32.25 | JBDiGriz | I'm probably counted as a windows user, since I have a license lying around somewhere, but I don't run any M$ software at home. |
| 17:33.07 | fiberchunks_ | yeah - my point - i've 3 old licenses 95 and 98, + visual studio -- but they haven't touched a machine in prob the last 4 years or so |
| 17:33.19 | fiberchunks_ | but i assure you, i'm in a M$ dbase somewhere |
| 17:33.25 | fiberchunks_ | :\ |
| 17:33.41 | KR | last question very convoluted, answer is that"we have a strong case, people in the know know that Unix code is in the kernel, we are comfortable with our position, the battle is fierce, but we will continue because we are fighting for our crown jewels" |
| 17:34.01 | JBDiGriz | My guess is that the Windows user base is highly inflated, and the linux user base is hard to estimate, but I would use Apple as a legitimate basis for comparison. |
| 17:34.15 | KR | statement "we are not going to show 2 lines of code, we will show 100's of lines, and thats the tip of the iceberg |
| 17:34.34 | fiberchunks_ | yeah - since their stats are prob backed by hardware sales, and not software (though the 2 are bundled -- hrm, does that make sense?) |
| 17:34.39 | KR | "if SysV code is in kernel, it will change the playing field" |
| 17:35.00 | fiberchunks_ | wasn't sysv att's baby? |
| 17:35.05 | fiberchunks_ | i thought they initiated that |
| 17:35.06 | KR | "so we are being responsive to our customers by showing some of this next week, but not all of it" |
| 17:35.31 | JBDiGriz | SysV was the version release by AT&T after SYS 3. |
| 17:35.38 | KR | "customers and media, if u want to see it, we will show you" but NDA's will be in effect - blah blah blah same BS |
| 17:35.55 | JBDiGriz | Both are derivatives of V7 which also spawned off BSD Unix |
| 17:36.11 | fiberchunks_ | did SCO buy out att unix? |
| 17:36.12 | KR | its over - nothing new said as far as I can tell |
| 17:36.24 | JBDiGriz | Linux was a completely different thread, but it inherited sockets from BSD |
| 17:36.29 | fiberchunks_ | my history on this is weak |
| 17:36.41 | prot-work | it inherited the BSD sockets API |
| 17:36.48 | prot-work | the tcp/ip stack is different |
| 17:36.51 | prot-work | unfortunately |
| 17:37.14 | JBDiGriz | It's rather convoluted. SAIC bought the code from AT&T, but someone else bought the Unix name. |
| 17:37.28 | KR | my understanding is that Novell owns Unix, $CO is who gets the right to collect the liscense money for a % |
| 17:37.33 | fiberchunks_ | according to The Open Group, they bought the name |
| 17:37.41 | JBDiGriz | That was them! |
| 17:37.47 | KR | yeah Open Group owns the Unix trademark |
| 17:38.11 | KR | Novell owns source, $CO is the collector for fees |
| 17:38.18 | JBDiGriz | SAIC sold the code to someone else who published it on the web, thus destroying any trade secret protection. |
| 17:38.29 | fiberchunks_ | ah |
| 17:38.29 | KR | what a bunch a frikkin idiots they seem to be |
| 17:38.40 | JBDiGriz | It was then bought by Novell, sold to SCO, who was purchased by Caldera |
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| 17:38.51 | KR | my take is that M$ is behind the whole thing |
| 17:39.07 | sussudio | KR: the flying pigs? |
| 17:39.09 | fiberchunks_ | funny, SAIC -- we have a subcontractor or two that work out of them -- they work for the 'Maryland procurement office' |
| 17:39.14 | KR | because they have no other effective working strategy that can beat Linux |
| 17:39.33 | prot-work | KR: yes they do |
| 17:39.39 | fiberchunks_ | KR: my opinion as well -- convenient that M$ licensed SCO stuff while this brooha is going on |
| 17:39.42 | KR | what? |
| 17:40.02 | sussudio | microsoft could choose not to piss off their users with that activation crap. |
| 17:40.12 | prot-work | they lock people into buying MS products with new hardware, plus their software is actually usable by the common idiot |
| 17:40.14 | KR | I've never seen it, I've only seen them rather ineffectually try to deal with a rising tide |
| 17:40.31 | JBDiGriz | They're trying to stall the major municipalities that are going Linux, e.g. Munich and China |
| 17:40.34 | fiberchunks_ | the 'Maryland Procurement Office', in case your interested, is NOT what it seems (think covert, very, very black, and all things top secret)... |
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| 17:40.48 | fiberchunks_ | JBDiGriz: concur |
| 17:40.54 | sussudio | . < munich O < china |
| 17:40.58 | KR | afa common idiots, some of the newer Linux distros aint far behind |
| 17:41.16 | JBDiGriz | SAIC specializes in government contracts, they usually spin off products to new companies. |
| 17:41.50 | fiberchunks_ | true, but they are, in reality, a subsidy for the NSA (a whole bunch of money from the NSA gets funneled through there, whether legitimate or not) |
| 17:42.29 | JBDiGriz | There's no reason Linux can't be as user friendly as Windows. Lindows is coming along nicely, and Mac OS X is a fine example. |
| 17:42.40 | fiberchunks_ | we were briefed on not being able to mention NSA in conversation with other contractors -- since you're not contractors, i assume i'm fine *knock* *knock* -- one |
| 17:42.55 | fiberchunks_ | ........ minute -- whoops - off to levinworth i go -- cya in a few years ;) |
| 17:43.03 | KR | try Xandros - I had *no* hardware config to do, and install takes <20 minutes |
| 17:43.22 | JBDiGriz | I've worked with SAIC on various contracts. None to NSA/NRA though! |
| 17:43.24 | sussudio | KR: knoppix takes like 2 minutes |
| 17:43.28 | KR | even easier than Lindows or Lycoris |
| 17:43.38 | KR | yeah knoppix rocks :) |
| 17:43.51 | sussudio | too bad the knoppix users think it's debian |
| 17:44.04 | fiberchunks_ | didn't say there needed to be an explicit link -- anytime we've handled contracts with them, it's _always_ been through the 'Maryland Procurement Office' designation |
| 17:44.20 | fiberchunks_ | but then again, we work with uber-crypto and such -- so that is prob the diff |
| 17:44.22 | JBDiGriz | I have to free up one of my servers to play around with new Linux distros. |
| 17:44.35 | KR | one of the forums I'm on, some guy was busting on knoppix for someothing, I was like - dude, you shoulda had to install RH4.x - you'd be amazed by knoppix :) |
| 17:45.02 | sussudio | KR: don't mention the R-word. |
| 17:45.22 | KR | just picked up a mag with DemoLinux in it, going to check that one out soon, sposed to be like knopppix |
| 17:45.35 | fiberchunks_ | live CD type thang |
| 17:45.39 | KR | "liveCD" |
| 17:45.43 | KR | yeah |
| 17:45.49 | KR | the Rword :) |
| 17:46.20 | fiberchunks_ | well, i'll let the memtest run for 2 hrs, then kill it -- i think it's safe to say that my RAM is kosher |
| 17:46.24 | JBDiGriz | My current client prefers it for development, so I don't knock them. |
| 17:47.03 | JBDiGriz | A kosher RAM? are you planning on eating it? :) |
| 17:47.12 | fiberchunks_ | only if it's bad :) |
| 17:47.29 | JBDiGriz | If it's bad, it wouldn't be kosher! :) |
| 17:47.29 | prot-work | in general its bad to soak your RAM in brine |
| 17:47.30 | fiberchunks_ | it was blessed by a rabbi, and shot once, in the head |
| 17:47.36 | fiberchunks_ | heh |
| 17:47.55 | fiberchunks_ | saw a mineral-oil box online once - crazyness |
| 17:47.57 | JBDiGriz | Definitely not kosher, it has to be sliced through the neck with a very sharp knife. |
| 17:48.24 | fiberchunks_ | ack, then i just have anglo ram -- that's prob what's causing me grief |
| 17:48.50 | JBDiGriz | Maybe if you cut the tip off one of the pins? :) |
| 17:48.56 | fiberchunks_ | typical, farmer-boy ram -- ah well :) |
| 17:49.01 | fiberchunks_ | heh, RAM-bris |
| 17:51.52 | KR | ah well I guess its back to work now - c yall later on the BZ Air_Consortium battlefields :) |
| 17:52.03 | KR | have to go renew my liscense |
| 17:52.08 | JBDiGriz | bye kr, does kr stand for "kosher ram"? |
| 17:52.13 | KR | lol |
| 17:52.28 | fiberchunks_ | later on |
| 17:53.02 | KR | i stand only for the national anthem, or to move forward in the free beer line :) |
| 17:53.11 | KR | c ya |
| 17:53.17 | *** part/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 17:55.45 | Patlabor221 | whoot it builds :) |
| 17:59.48 | *** join/#bzflag KR (~k@cae168-234-054.sc.rr.com) |
| 18:00.03 | KR | lol just saw this check it out :) http://www.arie.org/doh/ |
| 18:00.12 | KR | bye again |
| 18:18.33 | larsl | Does anyone know where to find a really simple IRC bot that I could just give a server and a channel as command line parameters, and then pipe messages into? |
| 18:24.34 | sussudio | Chestal: are you here? |
| 18:24.39 | sussudio | ~ducati6 |
| 18:24.40 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 18:24.57 | sussudio | we have a TKer on ducati |
| 18:25.46 | JBDiGriz | We've seen that call sign before. |
| 18:26.20 | fiberchunks_ | god, spoogebob |
| 18:26.36 | JBDiGriz | They act the same. |
| 18:26.45 | fiberchunks_ | they are the same, imho |
| 18:27.29 | sussudio | no, blood fart |
| 18:27.35 | fiberchunks_ | i think in reality it's the same person |
| 18:27.49 | sussudio | anyway, i left. too much laggers. |
| 18:28.46 | *** join/#bzflag ll (~ll@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se) |
| 18:29.01 | fiberchunks_ | prot-work: do you use reiser, or ext3? |
| 18:36.11 | rooter | ~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 18:42.49 | *** join/#bzflag doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) |
| 18:42.49 | doughecka | greetings |
| 18:43.49 | sussudio | peeg |
| 18:45.22 | prot-work | fiberchunks_: reiser |
| 18:45.35 | fiberchunks_ | thx, suffer any file lossage? |
| 18:45.42 | prot-work | nope |
| 18:45.49 | prot-work | thats what journalling is about :P |
| 18:45.57 | fiberchunks_ | cool - that helps immensely - think i'll try it out |
| 18:46.00 | prot-work | reiser isn't good if your disk has bad blocks |
| 18:46.12 | prot-work | because it can't track them like ext3 can |
| 18:46.28 | fiberchunks_ | it doesn't -- i use ext3 on all my drives now, but have heard that reiser is somewhat snappier |
| 18:47.04 | fiberchunks_ | but less robust -- (very good for small files, but less so with large ones) |
| 18:47.18 | fiberchunks_ | this is info from the #gentoo channel, not saying it's correct, just don't know |
| 18:48.54 | fiberchunks_ | opinion? |
| 18:50.14 | fiberchunks_ | k, thx |
| 18:54.56 | larsl | Cool, it works! |
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| 18:55.07 | bzecho | *** 'Lars' joined the game. |
| 18:55.07 | bzecho | *** '@bzecho' joined the game. |
| 18:55.07 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.09 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.11 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.13 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.15 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.17 | bzecho | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.22 | bzecho | *** 'Lars' left the game. |
| 18:55.38 | sussudio | wtf is that |
| 18:55.42 | fiberchunks_ | cool |
| 18:56.27 | larsl | A bz->irc hack based on bzadmin. =) |
| 18:56.43 | sussudio | :-P |
| 18:59.47 | Chestal | for your Europeans out there: sun is eclipsing early tomorrow (close to sunrise, depends on your location of course) |
| 19:00.01 | Chestal | partial only, but shoudl be well above 70% for most |
| 19:00.09 | larsl | Ugh, sunrise. That's something like 3:30 in the morning. |
| 19:00.46 | Chestal | about 5:00-5:30 in Germany |
| 19:00.49 | larsl | I suppose I could stay awake until then. =) |
| 19:01.23 | Chestal | better check a local news source to get more details about your region, lest you'll wait in vain :-) |
| 19:04.02 | larsl | 4:38 - 6:39. I'll probably miss it. |
| 19:19.51 | sussudio | [KR (USD)->] fuck you asshole |
| 19:19.56 | sussudio | nice mouth on kr there on ducati |
| 19:24.36 | Chestal | it's even worse than your 'pig' variations :-) |
| 19:25.50 | sussudio | he won't apologize either |
| 19:26.04 | sussudio | and now he's shouting at me in l33t5p4ak |
| 19:26.35 | Chestal | it was a private message, so it's a thing between you two. In general, KR is a very nice person |
| 19:27.32 | sussudio | ok, i'll take note that this is acceptable in privmsg then on ducati. |
| 19:28.34 | prot-work | sussudio: remember that 'SILENCE' command? |
| 19:28.48 | prot-work | its like /ignore, only the same |
| 19:29.08 | sussudio | i'd like to see a SILENCE command where it doesn't echo "Ignored message from xxxxxxx" all over my screen |
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| 19:34.02 | prot-work | sussudio: patches welcome |
| 19:40.03 | JBDiGriz | Is stats.bzflag.org working for other people? |
| 19:40.59 | JBDiGriz | I can get there, but the scripts don't appear to be taking arguments. |
| 19:44.01 | fiberchunks_ | seems that way to me |
| 19:44.18 | JBDiGriz | Thanks! |
| 19:44.30 | fiberchunks_ | np |
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| 20:03.47 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 20:04.40 | JBDiGriz | Hi there, we were just discussing stats.bzflag.org. |
| 20:04.45 | sussudio | Noodlebot: is your site buggered? |
| 20:05.05 | Noodleman | sussudio: yes, in your words, it is buggered :-) |
| 20:05.19 | sussudio | thought so |
| 20:05.42 | Noodleman | i upgraded php from the source tarball, and i can figure out where to put php.ini |
| 20:05.53 | sussudio | Noodleman: /etc ? |
| 20:06.22 | *** join/#bzflag chatelaine (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-100.s-ip.magma.ca) |
| 20:06.30 | Noodleman | lemme ask #php |
| 20:12.45 | Noodleman | ok, fixed |
| 20:13.36 | rooter | hey... can anybody here start the counter for rosemyers 59999? |
| 20:13.54 | JBDiGriz | Noodleman: Looks good, thanks! |
| 20:14.41 | Noodleman | it was an issue of the debian-packed php not having some important functions |
| 20:14.46 | Chestal | rosemeyers really should upgrade to current CVS |
| 20:14.46 | rooter | is there a way to reset the timer |
| 20:14.48 | rooter | ? |
| 20:14.59 | Noodleman | i compiled it from source, and then i had to set register_globals |
| 20:15.01 | Chestal | it's probably using an odl version where you have to be admin to do /countdown |
| 20:15.11 | rooter | Chestal: aah... /gameover doesn't work? |
| 20:15.13 | Chestal | or a new version and it's not using the option |
| 20:15.26 | Chestal | rooter: or is it autostarting? |
| 20:15.31 | JBDiGriz | rosemeyers was on 1.7g0 last I checked |
| 20:15.38 | Chestal | anyway, you have to be admin to do any of this |
| 20:15.39 | rooter | i think autostart |
| 20:15.43 | rooter | that sucks |
| 20:15.49 | rooter | anybody here have admin? |
| 20:16.06 | Chestal | bzgirl might have? |
| 20:16.16 | Chestal | she's on 5156 I think |
| 20:19.08 | *** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p5091357C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:19.38 | strayer | hi... |
| 20:20.20 | bzgirl | hello |
| 20:20.49 | strayer | :) |
| 20:21.35 | strayer | one of the rare responses here....lol |
| 20:21.48 | fiberchunks_ | lo >:) |
| 20:22.15 | strayer | oha..it's getting an acitve channel...hehe |
| 20:22.39 | strayer | ...becomes to... |
| 20:23.32 | strayer | my english sux these days...hm...it's always not the best... |
| 20:25.00 | Chestal | strayer: going to watch the eclipse at sunrise? :-) |
| 20:25.47 | strayer | I dunno...I dont have the right 'sun glasses' to look into the sun....but maybe...and U? |
| 20:26.11 | sussudio | use a couple of cd's |
| 20:26.33 | strayer | sussudio: that doesnt help |
| 20:26.38 | Chestal | not sure I have anything to shield my eyes, it should be ok to look at it unprotected when it's just rising, though |
| 20:26.53 | doughecka | Chestal's last words |
| 20:26.58 | strayer | hm...when exactly will it happen? |
| 20:26.59 | sussudio | ~slick |
| 20:27.00 | | Shut up, Doug. |
| 20:27.06 | Chestal | srayer: at sunrise :-) |
| 20:27.19 | strayer | gnaaaa....when is this? |
| 20:27.30 | Chestal | where do you live? should be at about 5:00 or 5:20 |
| 20:27.30 | sussudio | at... sun....rise.... |
| 20:27.40 | JBDiGriz | Use the pinhole through cardboard method. |
| 20:27.53 | strayer | JBDiGriz: good idea |
| 20:28.05 | strayer | Chestal: ok....wecker auf 5... :/ |
| 20:28.16 | strayer | I wanted to see it this morning ..but I overslept...hehe |
| 20:28.26 | Chestal | lucky :-) |
| 20:28.55 | strayer | ?...why that?...more the opposite...I think |
| 20:29.17 | Chestal | uhm, well, because it's tomorrow and you have gotten up for nothing |
| 20:29.39 | strayer | wasn't anything this mornign too? |
| 20:29.59 | Chestal | there was a sunrise this morning, yes |
| 20:30.16 | Chestal | but that's not very unusual ;-) |
| 20:30.49 | strayer | hm...don't say sth like this...it's long ago that I saw a sunrise... :)= |
| 20:31.19 | bzgirl | what file in bzfs contains the code to generate random maps? |
| 20:31.26 | prot-work | bzfs.cxx :) |
| 20:31.34 | larsl | bzgirl: There's only one file. |
| 20:31.36 | prot-work | because everything in bzfs is in bzfs.cxx |
| 20:31.41 | bzgirl | ahh ok |
| 20:31.44 | Chestal | not everything :-) |
| 20:31.52 | Chestal | there's some code in libs which it shares with the client |
| 20:31.58 | larsl | bzgirl: The function is called 'defineWorldRandom' or something like that. |
| 20:32.08 | prot-work | Chestal: well, true |
| 20:32.14 | prot-work | but its still one big honkin' file |
| 20:32.42 | Chestal | everything will get better after g2, we all know that |
| 20:32.50 | prot-work | uhhuh |
| 20:32.52 | prot-work | *ahem* |
| 20:32.57 | larsl | =) |
| 20:33.07 | bzgirl | larsl: i like your ncurses admin tool |
| 20:33.19 | larsl | Wasn't someone working on splitting the bzfs code into several files? |
| 20:33.32 | larsl | bzgirl: Nice. Which version are you using? |
| 20:33.40 | prot-work | larsl: it had been done in 1.8 |
| 20:33.45 | bzgirl | i downloaded the latest last night |
| 20:33.50 | prot-work | or at least moreso than it is in 1.7 |
| 20:34.00 | Chestal | larsl: I think I remember that I thought that someone was, maybe [dmp] to get his stats integrated? |
| 20:34.09 | bzgirl | larsl bzadmin-0.2d.tar.gz |
| 20:34.28 | Chestal | where's Tim? |
| 20:34.28 | larsl | Chestal: I don't remember who it was, I just remember that someone talked about it here. |
| 20:34.37 | larsl | bzgirl: That's the latest. |
| 20:35.05 | Chestal | if Tim doesn't have the time to look at the current code soon and/or decide what to do to release g2, maybe someone else should take over project lead. Any volunteers? |
| 20:35.40 | prot-work | i'd have volunteered about 6 months ago |
| 20:35.45 | prot-work | now i'm not so sure |
| 20:36.07 | Chestal | why? beause you have other thigns to do? Or because this projects sucks big time? :-) |
| 20:37.03 | Patlabor221 | think he would give it up? |
| 20:37.08 | JBDiGriz | I'm not sure how to parse that sentence. does this project take a lot of time, or is it a pain to deal with, or both? |
| 20:37.41 | Chestal | Pat: maybe it's not even necessary, when he says it's ok that someone else does g2 release |
| 20:37.43 | Patlabor221 | I think he coudl at least delegate all the things |
| 20:37.56 | Chestal | this ever waiting for g2 is killing any dev momentum out there |
| 20:38.16 | prot-work | because this projects sucks big time :) |
| 20:38.21 | Patlabor221 | yes he definally needs to get the g2 release delegated |
| 20:38.26 | prot-work | mostly that i'm frusted with bz development |
| 20:38.28 | Patlabor221 | I mentioned it when he was here, he did not comment. |
| 20:38.50 | Chestal | I thin he has barely said 20 sentences durign the recent 3 months here |
| 20:39.04 | prot-work | i got frustrated when nobody joined 1.8, i got even more frustrated when we scrapped 1.8 and nobody really worked on 1.7 |
| 20:39.13 | Chestal | not that I blame him, but the problem is still existing |
| 20:39.31 | Chestal | thw work that has been done for 1.7 is ok |
| 20:39.44 | prot-work | although maybe if i took lead i could get a slave army of ninja monkeys working on the project |
| 20:39.47 | Patlabor221 | the project lacks direction. |
| 20:39.51 | Chestal | everythign else had to e postponed after protocol breakign IMHO |
| 20:40.23 | fiberchunks_ | ninja monkeys :) |
| 20:40.32 | prot-work | no, its not raining |
| 20:40.40 | prot-work | thats just my ninja monkeys flinging poo at your head |
| 20:41.01 | Chestal | to get one thign straight: I do not say that we shoudl release g2 tomorrow, but we should make a decision what should go in g2, that get it in, that do a quick testing phase (maybe 1 week), then release it |
| 20:41.20 | Chestal | do they wear a KFJ? |
| 20:41.43 | fiberchunks_ | i would think they must -- if they want to be with captain_proton. |
| 20:41.44 | prot-work | Chestal: of course |
| 20:42.12 | prot-work | Chestal: i think the latter - get all the patches in that we want, test for a week, cut the release |
| 20:42.27 | prot-work | then release the ninja monkeys |
| 20:42.44 | fiberchunks_ | lol |
| 20:42.44 | Chestal | do they have wings? |
| 20:42.52 | sussudio | the flying pigs do |
| 20:43.20 | prot-work | no wings |
| 20:43.23 | prot-work | but they don't need them |
| 20:43.25 | JBDiGriz | Being serious for a second, is there a list of patches ready to go? |
| 20:44.08 | sussudio | how about a connection timeout so i don't have to kill bzflag when it can't connect to a server? |
| 20:44.11 | larsl | There are a _lot_ of patches. |
| 20:44.20 | doughecka | how about all the patches :) |
| 20:44.21 | larsl | Most of them would have to be updated to apply to current CVS. |
| 20:44.40 | JBDiGriz | That's the point, we need to define what we want for G2, and then proceed to do it. |
| 20:44.41 | Chestal | sussudio: there is one actually, but it doesn#t seem to work reliably. Or maybe it#s not in all places where it should be |
| 20:44.44 | prot-work | lesee |
| 20:44.51 | sussudio | :-P |
| 20:44.58 | prot-work | altimiter to 1000 looks good, considering how many spiff-type maps there are |
| 20:44.59 | doughecka | patches welcome |
| 20:45.09 | Chestal | Pat's admin/auth patch might be useful when it's finished (hint hint :-) |
| 20:45.10 | Patlabor221 | no ninja monkeys have KFJs? |
| 20:45.18 | sussudio | shut up doug you haven't contributed anything to bzflag ever |
| 20:45.18 | Patlabor221 | I can't test it at work |
| 20:45.28 | Chestal | I never really look at the altimeter anyway |
| 20:45.30 | Patlabor221 | if someone want's to help on it I have put it in my CVS server |
| 20:45.41 | prot-work | Chestal: true, nobody does, but its a nice UI tweak |
| 20:46.28 | prot-work | i'm not sure about the [t] status, perhaps we should poll the community |
| 20:46.45 | larsl | As long as it's an option it should be OK. |
| 20:46.45 | Chestal | IMHO we don't need that |
| 20:46.46 | larsl | Is it? |
| 20:46.46 | doughecka | its an option, isnt it? |
| 20:46.59 | Chestal | I don't see why it should be necessary |
| 20:47.03 | prot-work | it seems silly to me |
| 20:47.07 | fiberchunks_ | is that the typing thing, captain_proton |
| 20:47.09 | prot-work | just gives the munchkins more reason to complain |
| 20:47.09 | doughecka | Chestal: its a nice UI tweak ;) |
| 20:47.10 | Chestal | he, who wants to type must be preparedd to evade shots or die |
| 20:47.12 | prot-work | fiberchunks_: yeah |
| 20:47.29 | fiberchunks_ | phbbt - toss it away -- if you can't handle getting killed while typing, then don't, imho |
| 20:47.31 | Chestal | it might even make peopel shoot him when they see the 't' |
| 20:47.39 | prot-work | yeah |
| 20:47.42 | fiberchunks_ | i know i would, just for fun |
| 20:48.05 | prot-work | we should look at the automake/autoconf 'patch' that was submitted - thats been a feature request for a LONG time |
| 20:48.12 | fiberchunks_ | 'rude! i was typing!' <-- phbbt |
| 20:48.14 | prot-work | though i vote to just move to scons ;) |
| 20:48.17 | doughecka | if its an option, then it should'nt matter |
| 20:49.07 | Chestal | there is a quick admin patch with some key for easy kicking/banning |
| 20:49.16 | larsl | prot-work: The automake/autoconf files works on MDK 9.1, at least. |
| 20:49.22 | fiberchunks_ | that, would be a _very_ useful patch |
| 20:49.23 | fiberchunks_ | imho |
| 20:49.26 | larsl | For building and distributing. |
| 20:49.32 | bzgirl | Chestal: im using that patch, its very good |
| 20:49.45 | larsl | Yes, that would be nice to have. |
| 20:50.18 | prot-work | i'd like to get in the Z collisions patch but that would probably make people angry |
| 20:50.40 | prot-work | "WHADDAYAMEAN i can't jump into the ceiling and shoot through anymore?!" |
| 20:50.42 | Patlabor221 | it would be wierd cus old versions would not colide the same |
| 20:50.59 | prot-work | should wait until we break protocol for that to force it upon them :) |
| 20:51.17 | Patlabor221 | all old versions would be "cheats" then |
| 20:51.22 | larsl | Although I'd like the collision patch too. |
| 20:52.51 | Chestal | I think I'll test soem of the more interestign patches tomorrow |
| 20:53.05 | Chestal | pat: I'd also liek to test your server patch, if you think it's complete enough already |
| 20:53.20 | Chestal | because I would like to use it on a 'production' server |
| 20:54.53 | prot-work | time to head back to the office proper |
| 20:56.29 | Chestal | oh, someone made a patch to support cygwin? |
| 20:56.32 | Chestal | that sounds nice |
| 20:58.18 | Chestal | jzaun's SB texture patch would be ok, too, I tested it ages ago |
| 20:58.31 | fiberchunks_ | yes, that would be a nice patch |
| 20:58.47 | larsl | What does it do? |
| 20:58.56 | Chestal | some people criticized that it would make SB less powerful because you'd be able to see that it's SB in 3D |
| 20:59.08 | fiberchunks_ | changes the panel and add some other textures |
| 20:59.15 | Chestal | larsl: it gives SB shots a nice texture |
| 20:59.22 | Chestal | fiber: eh, no |
| 20:59.30 | Chestal | fiber_ that's a different - and problematic patch |
| 20:59.39 | fiberchunks_ | i thought he integrated the sb and panel patches? |
| 20:59.54 | Chestal | they both show up in the patches list |
| 21:00.01 | fiberchunks_ | hrm |
| 21:00.03 | Chestal | and they're not related at all anyway |
| 21:00.30 | fiberchunks_ | well, then yes, the SB patch would be nice -- but I also think the panel patch would be nice as well |
| 21:00.48 | fiberchunks_ | but if it's problematic -- i suppose not (though i never had issues with it |
| 21:01.00 | Chestal | it's not resizabel AFAIK |
| 21:01.07 | Chestal | that's the main problem |
| 21:01.19 | fiberchunks_ | you mean the graphic itself? |
| 21:01.25 | Chestal | because we can change the size of the radar in the curent code |
| 21:01.32 | fiberchunks_ | never tried that, so wouldn't know -- ah ic |
| 21:01.33 | larsl | Aah. |
| 21:02.08 | fiberchunks_ | yeah, he lost interest just bef he moved to hawaii, iirc |
| 21:02.48 | Chestal | if I am not confusing him with someone else, I last talked with him som emonths ago |
| 21:03.12 | Chestal | he was going to visit some relative in Germany and we thought about planning to meet, but then we never talked again |
| 21:03.22 | fiberchunks_ | yeah, that's him - remember him talking to you and mentioning that exact thing |
| 21:04.19 | fiberchunks_ | went to hawaii for school, afaik |
| 21:04.31 | *** join/#bzflag [dmp] (~dennis@3E6B486F.aalb.stofanet.dk) |
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| 21:04.43 | Mayhem | hi all |
| 21:04.47 | fiberchunks_ | lo |
| 21:04.48 | larsl | Mayhem: Who won? =) |
| 21:04.50 | [dmp] | hi Mayhem |
| 21:04.56 | Mayhem | who do you think ;) |
| 21:05.13 | Mayhem | I *nearly* beat mr dmp here though... |
| 21:05.21 | strayer | hi Mayhem...dmp |
| 21:05.22 | [dmp] | Mayhem: Was the match official? Calico wants me to enter it, but I would like somebody from your team to confirm this. |
| 21:05.27 | [dmp] | hi strayer |
| 21:05.33 | Mayhem | yeah, thats official to me |
| 21:05.42 | [dmp] | cool, ill try to enter it :) |
| 21:05.44 | Mayhem | what scores you got? |
| 21:06.30 | Mayhem | just checking... :) |
| 21:06.41 | [dmp] | individual score? |
| 21:06.59 | [dmp] | i have no idea :) |
| 21:07.00 | Mayhem | no, team score. |
| 21:07.34 | [dmp] | was it 9-2? cant really remember (getting old) .. checking log. |
| 21:07.37 | Mayhem | I was looking at my indiv scores, I was only a few kills behind a 1:1 kill ratio |
| 21:07.42 | Mayhem | thought is was 8-2 |
| 21:08.34 | Mayhem | consumption *really* need to start winning some matches... |
| 21:08.53 | sussudio | stibnite: got a cheater on hashmark |
| 21:09.06 | prot-work | Chestal: when do you want to try to talk to tim? |
| 21:10.21 | [dmp] | Mayhem: 8-2 was the score :) Ill go enter it. |
| 21:10.41 | sussudio | two cheaters. |
| 21:10.50 | Mayhem | aha, guess thas means your more senile than me :) |
| 21:11.08 | [dmp] | :) |
| 21:11.20 | [dmp] | who says its a bad thing anyway? :) |
| 21:12.24 | Mayhem | [dmp]: so is there some code I can peruse? |
| 21:13.12 | [dmp] | dammit, cannot get my browser working with league-site :(.. need to use windows for that. *sigh*. |
| 21:13.23 | [dmp] | Mayhem: I need to create an account, waitup |
| 21:13.26 | fiberchunks_ | what browser? |
| 21:13.35 | [dmp] | w3m :) |
| 21:13.39 | fiberchunks_ | ah, nm :) |
| 21:13.41 | Mayhem | hehe |
| 21:13.46 | Mayhem | you only got a console? |
| 21:13.50 | [dmp] | the others dont work. |
| 21:14.08 | [dmp] | lynx and w3m is the only browser that works on my system currently. |
| 21:14.24 | Mayhem | is X working? |
| 21:14.40 | [dmp] | yes |
| 21:14.50 | [dmp] | but mozilla freezes after like 30 sec. |
| 21:15.15 | Mayhem | hmm, i usually use galeon, but find mozilla quite stable too |
| 21:15.39 | jraitala | I'd suggest links2, for it's like thousand times faster than mozilla or even galeon |
| 21:15.39 | Mayhem | unless you've been doing something experimental... |
| 21:15.54 | [dmp] | galeon uses the mozilla engine so it freezes too. |
| 21:16.08 | fiberchunks_ | what mozilla rev? |
| 21:16.50 | jraitala | links2 (in contradiction to older links versions) is also a gui browser, and an amazingly capable one |
| 21:17.51 | [dmp] | fiberchunks: cant remember, i removed it again. |
| 21:18.09 | [dmp] | i can try to reinstall if you got any ideas that might help |
| 21:18.35 | larsl | [dmp]: Konqueror, Amaya? |
| 21:18.49 | Noodleman | netcat forever!! |
| 21:18.57 | Mayhem | hehe@noodle |
| 21:19.18 | [dmp] | larsl: havnt tried. Dosnt konqueror require kde installed? |
| 21:19.22 | jraitala | besides, links2 doesn't have too much dependancies. If you need a simple and fast gui browser, I'd recommend links2. |
| 21:19.36 | Mayhem | [dmp]: what distro? |
| 21:20.05 | [dmp] | Mayhem: debian/unstable |
| 21:20.44 | Mayhem | hmm. you tried reverting to the testing one? or is that too old? |
| 21:21.30 | larsl | [dmp]: Yes, you would need the KDE libs. |
| 21:21.32 | Chestal | unstable works fine here |
| 21:22.00 | Mayhem | testing (with a dash of unstable) works fine here :) |
| 21:22.14 | [dmp] | Perhaps i should go download the lastest mozilla(perhaps firebird) and try that. |
| 21:22.26 | Noodleman | firebird is great |
| 21:22.40 | doughecka | opera is great |
| 21:22.46 | Chestal | dmp: I really wonder what's wrong, gecko/mozilla has always worked for me |
| 21:22.46 | Noodleman | heretic |
| 21:22.51 | Noodleman | opera bites |
| 21:22.51 | doughecka | it is |
| 21:22.53 | doughecka | on a pda |
| 21:22.57 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 21:23.07 | Mayhem | [dmp]: you tried wiping the ~/.mozilla dir? |
| 21:23.14 | fiberchunks_ | i used to have a problem with galeon / mozilla freezing -- updated both, and all is wel |
| 21:23.15 | fiberchunks_ | l |
| 21:23.17 | [dmp] | Mayhem: yep |
| 21:23.18 | Chestal | dmp: weren't you goign to enter a match result? |
| 21:23.36 | [dmp] | i cant. I need to reboot into windows. |
| 21:23.43 | Chestal | ah |
| 21:23.49 | Chestal | or get your browsers working |
| 21:23.53 | [dmp] | :) |
| 21:23.54 | Mayhem | nooo, resist |
| 21:23.59 | [dmp] | hehe |
| 21:24.03 | Chestal | what was it? TSD-cons 8-2? |
| 21:24.22 | [dmp] | Yep. |
| 21:24.51 | larsl | What's 'the eight dimension' ? |
| 21:25.02 | sussudio | larsl: pigspace? |
| 21:25.03 | larsl | As in 'EighthDimSceneNode'. |
| 21:25.38 | Mayhem | that reminds me, the match results seem hard to follow to me... |
| 21:26.19 | Mayhem | maybe if it was in the form xxx defeated yyy |
| 21:27.33 | [dmp] | could be a good idea. But I guess this is closely related to design, so i guess a new design will/can make it easier to read. |
| 21:28.03 | Mayhem | currently you need to look at the order of the scores to see who won |
| 21:28.36 | Chestal | the initial idea was that it's meant as red vs green |
| 21:28.46 | prot-work | larsl: ever seen Buckaroo Banzai: Across the Eighth Dimension? |
| 21:28.50 | Chestal | but only the first matches have been enteres according to that scheme, after that it's more or less random |
| 21:28.56 | Chestal | with a tendency to put the winning team first |
| 21:29.04 | prot-work | larsl: oscillation overthruster - 8thdim scene nodes are the triangles |
| 21:29.20 | larsl | Ah. |
| 21:29.25 | [dmp] | Oh.. I normally put the challengers first, if any :) |
| 21:30.30 | sussudio | bzadmin file on sourceforge seems corrupted |
| 21:30.48 | larsl | sussudio: Corrupted in what way? |
| 21:31.04 | sussudio | i only get 20.000 bytes instead of 50.000 |
| 21:31.16 | larsl | I think it only is about 20 K. |
| 21:31.37 | sussudio | File Added51656: bzadmin-0.2d.tar.gz2003-05-29 12:11larsl |
| 21:31.37 | doughecka | bzadmin needs what to run? |
| 21:32.20 | doughecka | curses? |
| 21:32.33 | larsl | Yes. |
| 21:32.37 | larsl | Probably ncurses. |
| 21:32.45 | sussudio | when i gzip -d it it says something about trailing garbage |
| 21:32.53 | prot-work | sussudio: you can ignore that |
| 21:33.18 | larsl | sussudio: The archive should only be 22480 bytes. |
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| 21:34.16 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:34.21 | prot-work | speak of the devil |
| 21:34.26 | doughecka | hey tim |
| 21:42.48 | sussudio | i've never actually had mozilla crash on me, either under windoze or linux |
| 21:43.03 | prot-work | i haven't had a mozilla crash since the old milestone releases |
| 21:43.13 | Mayhem | The old M? builds used to always ccrash |
| 21:43.27 | sussudio | i'm using the debian moz packages |
| 21:43.47 | Mayhem | plugins sometimes take out galeon still |
| 21:43.47 | sussudio | and the latest win32 executable from mozilla.org |
| 21:43.56 | [dmp] | it onyl freezes when i use the url-inputbox it seems. |
| 21:43.58 | Mayhem | I'm using the deb ones |
| 21:48.26 | doughecka | hmm, how can I setup up 2 apps, then make both of them feed into each other? |
| 21:49.11 | TimRiker | doughecka: create a set of pipes. |
| 21:49.27 | doughecka | yea, I know things like find |
| 21:49.30 | doughecka | bah |
| 21:49.31 | TimRiker | "ooh, nice pipes" |
| 21:49.44 | doughecka | like: find | grep conf |
| 21:49.49 | doughecka | but how about both ways? |
| 21:49.55 | doughecka | and seting up the apps first |
| 21:50.17 | TimRiker | why do you want to? |
| 21:50.47 | doughecka | the ability to monitor and admin server over irc |
| 21:51.55 | TimRiker | in many languages you can open a pipe to get 2 handles, use dup2, to get one to stdin/out/err, fork, then restore your previous stdin/out/err |
| 21:52.56 | prot-work | TimRiker: we were discussing earlier - if you can't find the time to do the release process in the next few days it may make sense for someone else to take over the maintainer position |
| 21:53.01 | prot-work | TimRiker: thoughts? |
| 21:53.30 | TimRiker | prot-work: could be. I've certianly been in the way for a while. |
| 21:54.12 | Chestal | Hi Tim, we should really get g2 out. I think we could decide which patches to include this weekend, then freeze the code for a week, so we coudl releae next weekend |
| 21:54.20 | sussudio | how do i get out of bzadmin |
| 21:54.34 | doughecka | contrrol c |
| 21:54.35 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:54.37 | TimRiker | sussudio: ctrl-c? |
| 21:54.41 | sussudio | :-| |
| 21:54.47 | doughecka | high tech stuff |
| 21:54.50 | TimRiker | heh |
| 21:54.54 | Chestal | I'm pretty sure 'we' can agree on what to get in etc.. I'm not sure what it takes exactly to do a release, though |
| 21:55.00 | sussudio | laaaame |
| 21:55.08 | TimRiker | well ctrl-d then kill % if you like. |
| 21:55.14 | doughecka | hah |
| 21:55.18 | sussudio | ~ducati6 |
| 21:55.18 | Noodlebot | see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 21:56.48 | doughecka | hmm, I figured out how to use fifo, ,but I dont understand on how to setup the apps first |
| 21:56.50 | doughecka | hrm |
| 21:56.53 | TimRiker | Chestal: mostly getting someone to sign up for each platform build. test, stamp cvs, do all the builds, announce on all the lists/websites, stamp cvs to the next dev release. etc. |
| 21:56.54 | doughecka | unless... :) |
| 21:57.02 | Chestal | so, tomorrow will be patch-testing day for me, if I find the time, then it (or Sudnay) can also bbe patch->CVS time for us all :-) |
| 21:57.45 | Chestal | we haven't agreed on the versioning for the next version I think. 1.9, 2.0, whatever? |
| 21:58.01 | doughecka | lets get out the 1.x stuff |
| 21:58.04 | doughecka | get to version 2 :) |
| 21:58.31 | prot-work | ~sud |
| 21:58.32 | | shut up doug |
| 21:58.38 | prot-work | Chestal: 1.9 sounds good to me |
| 21:58.42 | doughecka | its sooo 90s :) |
| 21:58.47 | prot-work | or even...get this...1.9.0 |
| 21:59.37 | Chestal | following the current convention it would be 1.9a0 I guess? |
| 21:59.52 | Chestal | hmm, actualyl 1.9a1 |
| 22:00.02 | prot-work | 1.9a0 i think |
| 22:00.07 | prot-work | oh yeah |
| 22:00.09 | prot-work | :P |
| 22:00.12 | Chestal | hmm, I'm confused |
| 22:00.19 | prot-work | a1 with current convention |
| 22:00.22 | prot-work | but current convention sucks |
| 22:00.35 | Chestal | no, it's cool :-) |
| 22:00.43 | prot-work | every other project in the world uses major.minor.tiny |
| 22:01.22 | doughecka | I dont have shins |
| 22:01.33 | fiberchunks_ | how do you walk? |
| 22:01.42 | doughecka | I dont walk :) |
| 22:01.42 | JBDiGriz | After doing Apple development, it's confusing! |
| 22:01.47 | doughecka | I sorta flop around |
| 22:02.01 | fiberchunks_ | lol bojangles! |
| 22:02.04 | doughecka | now those I do that |
| 22:02.31 | JBDiGriz | why was that last message two octaves higher? :) |
| 22:02.43 | larsl | sussudio: If you want a cleaner way to exit bzadmin... |
| 22:02.48 | larsl | Patches welcome. =) |
| 22:02.59 | sussudio | how about /quit |
| 22:03.50 | Chestal | f12 should do the trick |
| 22:04.04 | doughecka | and shortcuts for all the admin stuff :) |
| 22:05.18 | larsl | I suppose I could add a /quit command. I don't want to release a new file with only that tiny change though, so I'm not going to upload it right now. |
| 22:05.41 | prot-work | hehe |
| 22:06.05 | prot-work | if Patlabor221 lets me do what i want with screamers you'll be able to ssh to the server and it'll give you a curses-like admin screen |
| 22:06.26 | larsl | doughecka: What functions do you want shortcuts for (except kick and ban, they're already there) ? |
| 22:06.45 | doughecka | shutdown |
| 22:06.53 | larsl | prot-work: You are implementing an entire SSH server? |
| 22:06.55 | doughecka | count down |
| 22:06.58 | prot-work | larsl: no :) |
| 22:07.03 | doughecka | I dunno |
| 22:07.06 | prot-work | larsl: twisted already did that ;) |
| 22:09.05 | fiberchunks_ | lol |
| 22:09.06 | doughecka | you keep bringing that up, I dont know what for though |
| 22:09.38 | prot-work | doughecka: feature bitching for the sole purpose of feature bitching is annoying |
| 22:09.40 | sussudio | doug should just go play pong with cell |
| 22:10.20 | larsl | I'd like to add some kind of scrolling to the message buffer though. I'll have to see if curses have any support for that or if it would have to be handcoded. |
| 22:11.00 | Chestal | hmm, looks liek there is no pong in Debian |
| 22:12.22 | sussudio | Chestal: there's csmash |
| 22:13.55 | doughecka | hey tim |
| 22:14.59 | TimRiker | when we change the net code, we might as well change the version to a string of the form x.x.x-myhack |
| 22:15.40 | TimRiker | but does /quit mean exit the client? or shutdown the server? ;-) |
| 22:15.41 | prot-work | :) |
| 22:17.17 | Chestal | well, good night, must get up in 5 hours for the eclipse :-) |
| 22:17.31 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:17.35 | doughecka | take pictures |
| 22:18.50 | larsl | TimRiker: So next version after g2 would be 1.9.0? |
| 22:19.32 | larsl | That would be nice, RPM is bad at comparing the current version strings. |
| 22:21.35 | doughecka | larsl: can I name my user name in bzadmin in the command line? |
| 22:21.55 | doughecka | like bzadmin ducati.bzflag.org 5156 @doug |
| 22:22.45 | larsl | doughecka: Not now. |
| 22:22.55 | larsl | I'm probably going to add it, though. |
| 22:22.59 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:23.46 | doughecka | bah |
| 22:23.49 | doughecka | hhmm |
| 22:26.24 | sussudio | i thought ducati had a 300ms lagkick |
| 22:32.46 | Chestal | 380 at the moment |
| 22:33.07 | sussudio | why? |
| 22:33.29 | Chestal | has been at 380 for months |
| 22:33.52 | sussudio | anyone over 250 should just go to rosemeyers or something |
| 22:35.16 | *** part/#bzflag JBDiGriz (~JBDiGriz@216.188.65.26) |
| 22:36.58 | larsl | Does anyone know of any tools that generates call graphs for C++ code? |
| 22:37.18 | doughecka | pipes are fun |
| 22:37.38 | larsl | Doxygen lists 'references' and 'referenced by' for every function, but it doesn't seem to be complete. |
| 22:38.12 | larsl | What are you piping? |
| 22:38.43 | doughecka | bzadmin > epic |
| 22:38.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:38.45 | sussudio | cbrowser - a c/c++ source code indexing, querying and browsing tool |
| 22:38.48 | sussudio | something like that? |
| 22:39.40 | larsl | "hierarchical function call viewer" - sounds nice. |
| 22:40.07 | larsl | doughecka: What's epic? Doesn't the terminal control characters screw up the output? |
| 22:40.18 | doughecka | yea, I think it does :) |
| 22:40.29 | doughecka | irc client |
| 22:40.30 | doughecka | text |
| 22:40.32 | prot-work | larsl: epic is a crappy cli irc client |
| 22:40.46 | doughecka | prot-work: got anything better in mind? |
| 22:40.48 | larsl | Ah. |
| 22:40.59 | prot-work | doughecka: for that? no |
| 22:41.03 | prot-work | for general irc, irssi |
| 22:41.11 | Mayhem | cflow is only c methinks |
| 22:41.12 | doughecka | yea, but that didnt work out |
| 22:41.19 | larsl | doughecka: I wrote a small Perl script that echoed output from a modified bzadmin (without curses) to an IRC channel. |
| 22:41.40 | doughecka | where is this perl script pray tell? :) |
| 22:41.48 | doughecka | still, pipes are cool |
| 22:41.57 | prot-work | doughecka: nothing like that will 'work' because of all the extra stuff curses splats |
| 22:42.06 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:42.09 | prot-work | larsl: don't give it to him! |
| 22:42.15 | doughecka | prot-work: :P |
| 22:42.18 | prot-work | larsl: he'll just flood this channel with more useless crap |
| 22:42.24 | doughecka | actully I wont |
| 22:42.26 | *** join/#bzflag glasstowers (~ll@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se) |
| 22:42.26 | glasstowers | *** '@Admin' joined the game. |
| 22:42.26 | glasstowers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.27 | doughecka | fyi |
| 22:42.27 | glasstowers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.29 | glasstowers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.31 | glasstowers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.33 | glasstowers | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:42.49 | doughecka | cool |
| 22:42.51 | glasstowers | *** 'Lars' joined the game. |
| 22:42.58 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:43.00 | larsl | That's enough spamming. =) |
| 22:43.36 | doughecka | thats cool |
| 22:46.34 | sussudio | damn neighbour kids wouldn't be quiet...... so i threw some slices bread in their direction |
| 22:46.44 | sussudio | that kept em quiet for about 5 mins wondering where it came from |
| 22:46.52 | prot-work | hehe |
| 22:46.54 | doughecka | haha |
| 22:47.08 | sussudio | whole wheat bread flies good |
| 22:47.26 | doughecka | no white bread |
| 22:47.35 | sussudio | neh white bread sux |
| 22:47.36 | doughecka | icky stuff, stick to the roof of ur mouth |
| 22:47.55 | sussudio | i think the slice landed on one of the kids' faces |
| 22:48.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 22:48.27 | sussudio | too bad there were no pigeons around..... they like them bread |
| 22:48.44 | doughecka | well fed pigeons... ;) |
| 22:51.09 | doughecka | larsl: the noncurses version allows outgoing messages also? |
| 22:51.55 | larsl | doughecka: No, it just connects to a bz server and prints whatever messages it gets from it. |
| 22:52.00 | doughecka | ah |
| 22:52.02 | doughecka | shucks |
| 22:52.39 | larsl | It was just a quick hack, I didn't want to add asynchronous input to it. =P |
| 22:52.46 | doughecka | heh |
| 22:53.08 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 22:53.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 22:53.13 | doughecka | well, I was looking for a way to pipe it to a particular user in irc, not really a channel |
| 22:53.23 | doughecka | and then allow that person to admin the server |
| 22:53.44 | doughecka | but the problem is it adds <user> to the irc thing, so it doesnt work |
| 22:54.37 | prot-work | huh? |
| 22:55.15 | Patlabor221 | is he still talking? |
| 22:55.35 | prot-work | yeah :P |
| 22:55.44 | Patlabor221 | I know a mode that will fix that |
| 22:55.48 | doughecka | hey Patlabor221 |
| 22:55.49 | prot-work | me too |
| 22:56.49 | doughecka | larsl: those files... they are from the future... |
| 22:58.25 | larsl | doughecka: touch them. |
| 22:58.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 22:58.55 | doughecka | I think the system catched up |
| 22:59.03 | prot-work | ok, time to go home |
| 23:15.00 | Patlabor221 | home is where you hang your hat |
| 23:18.10 | doughecka | uh huuhh |
| 23:18.30 | Patlabor221 | you doubt me? |
| 23:19.25 | Patlabor221 | I hope to become reaver certified. |
| 23:19.55 | doughecka | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:20.19 | Patlabor221 | I need to find a certification tree tho |
| 23:21.02 | fiberchunks_ | wow, it takes gentoo a loooooongggg time to compile just it's base package :) |
| 23:21.15 | Patlabor221 | I have heard the term "days" |
| 23:21.21 | doughecka | ha |
| 23:21.25 | fiberchunks_ | but if it werks - i aint bitchin ;) |
| 23:21.29 | fiberchunks_ | done |
| 23:23.07 | fiberchunks_ | stage 2 now -- this should take a while :) |
| 23:23.08 | Patlabor221 | damn looks like I will have to get to a new battle rank to get more certs |
| 23:23.20 | fiberchunks_ | what game? |
| 23:23.26 | Patlabor221 | planetside |
| 23:23.57 | doughecka | Noodleman: you here? |
| 23:24.40 | fiberchunks_ | wb captain_proton |
| 23:27.09 | Patlabor221 | tell me these don't look cool |
| 23:27.09 | Patlabor221 | http://planetside.stratics.com/content/gameplay/vehicles/tanks.shtml |
| 23:27.32 | doughecka | cool head lights |
| 23:28.18 | Patlabor221 | and these |
| 23:28.19 | Patlabor221 | http://planetside.stratics.com/content/gameplay/vehicles/aircraft.shtml |
| 23:28.58 | doughecka | free game? |
| 23:29.01 | Patlabor221 | umm no |
| 23:29.07 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:29.28 | Patlabor221 | this is real time persistant world stuff |
| 23:29.35 | Patlabor221 | woudl never work for free |
| 23:29.43 | Patlabor221 | too much bandwith and setup costs |
| 23:29.50 | doughecka | yea... |
| 23:29.57 | doughecka | but they could at least have a demo |
| 23:30.34 | doughecka | aha, 14 day trail |
| 23:30.37 | Patlabor221 | well the game come with a free 7 day trial memembership |
| 23:30.49 | Patlabor221 | they have a 14 day? |
| 23:30.50 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 23:30.59 | doughecka | FAQ |
| 23:31.11 | Patlabor221 | what part? |
| 23:31.12 | doughecka | 14 Day Trial Subscription : FREE! |
| 23:31.17 | captain_proton | gah |
| 23:31.17 | doughecka | Q: How much does it cost? |
| 23:31.59 | Patlabor221 | link? |
| 23:32.12 | doughecka | http://www.stratics.com/members/faq.php |
| 23:32.25 | Mayhem | RTCW-ET is free :) |
| 23:32.30 | Patlabor221 | cus it dosn't have that on the main site |
| 23:32.42 | Patlabor221 | doug that is for ther fansite you ninny |
| 23:32.45 | Patlabor221 | not the game |
| 23:32.49 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:32.52 | doughecka | shucks |
| 23:32.58 | doughecka | Mayhem: very cool game |
| 23:33.06 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he was too busy wanting everything for free to notice that |
| 23:33.16 | Patlabor221 | wolfenstein isn't masiv multiplayer |
| 23:33.32 | doughecka | who doesnt want everything for free? |
| 23:33.39 | Patlabor221 | this is more like a persistant Tribes2 |
| 23:35.22 | Patlabor221 | this one comes with a 7 day free trial for a friend, you get a 30 day account for buying it |
| 23:35.43 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:36.22 | Patlabor221 | or if you have the SOE "everything we have for 22$" deal, it's includeded in that |
| 23:37.54 | Patlabor221 | it's cool when you are on foot, your sight changes to show your "cone of fire". it gets biger the more you move. so if you want to snipe, it's best to stop and kneel :) |
| 23:40.42 | Patlabor221 | you would sense undertones in anything :) |
| 23:42.42 | larsl | Wow, down to one screenful of error messages. |
| 23:42.45 | larsl | Time to sleep. |
| 23:43.13 | doughecka | thats cool |
| 23:51.32 | Patlabor221 | I have only run thu 1 of there tutorials so far |
| 23:51.59 | Patlabor221 | but I wish to see how they do there group manamgent and ther squad setup stuff |
| 23:52.47 | Patlabor221 | and I had a bunch of cred on a card a EB and had to use it :) |
| 23:52.54 | doughecka | heh |
| 23:53.24 | Patlabor221 | this kind of thing could be the future of online action games |
| 23:54.02 | doughecka | creds? |
| 23:54.12 | Patlabor221 | credit |
| 23:54.22 | doughecka | er |
| 23:54.26 | Patlabor221 | I turned in a bunch of old games for store credit |
| 23:54.38 | doughecka | creds will be the future? |
| 23:54.46 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:54.49 | Patlabor221 | this kind of game |
| 23:54.51 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:55.02 | Patlabor221 | persistant world kind of thing |
| 23:55.07 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:55.16 | Patlabor221 | evertank |
| 23:55.34 | doughecka | so its like a persistant world bzflag? :) |
| 23:55.40 | doughecka | with planes and stuff |
| 23:56.08 | doughecka | sounds cool |
| 23:56.20 | Patlabor221 | and foot solders |
| 23:56.27 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:56.29 | Patlabor221 | and you take bases and stuff |
| 23:56.42 | doughecka | wow |
| 23:56.47 | doughecka | impressive game |
| 23:56.52 | doughecka | is it still beta? |
| 23:56.57 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:57.06 | doughecka | ah, t he FAQ implyed it |
| 23:57.20 | Patlabor221 | it's less then a month old |
| 23:57.26 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:57.28 | Patlabor221 | check the real site, I was just showing pictures |
| 23:57.36 | doughecka | oh |
| 23:57.41 | doughecka | whats it called? |
| 23:57.45 | Patlabor221 | planetside |
| 23:58.31 | doughecka | bah |
| 23:58.39 | doughecka | the website is fubared |
| 23:59.16 | doughecka | aha |
| 23:59.23 | doughecka | lame people cant keep to standards |
