| 00:37.23 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@191-208.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 00:38.10 | michaelh2 | hey Tim what do you think of the server list cache thingee? is it commit-able? :) |
| 00:56.04 | patlabor221 | he askes about it the other day |
| 00:56.36 | michaelh2 | he did? |
| 00:56.44 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:56.50 | patlabor221 | asked if anyone had used it |
| 00:56.56 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 00:57.05 | patlabor221 | wonderd how it got player counts if the server wasn't there or something |
| 00:57.17 | michaelh2 | nothing that fancy at all |
| 00:58.04 | michaelh2 | just stores whatever it gets from the server and when it gets old enough it fills in the values with ?'s |
| 00:59.32 | michaelh2 | Really the only important purpose is to give the player a list of servers to choose from when the list server goes down |
| 00:59.54 | patlabor221 | does it show any visual inditcation that the list server could not be found? |
| 00:59.55 | michaelh2 | server name / port -- those things mostly |
| 01:00.19 | michaelh2 | it says that at the bottom like usual.. the cached entries are grayed out |
| 01:00.37 | patlabor221 | then sounds good to me |
| 01:00.38 | michaelh2 | I just added a thing to draw the names in a darker color |
| 01:00.41 | patlabor221 | not that I mater much |
| 01:00.46 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 01:00.51 | patlabor221 | but those are the things I think he would ask about :) |
| 01:01.07 | michaelh2 | I just wish there were more than the apparent few people thinking about these kinds of things |
| 01:01.10 | patlabor221 | ahh, thats cool that you can see the dif between live and cahced servers. |
| 01:01.21 | patlabor221 | tell me about it |
| 01:01.30 | michaelh2 | I thought it was pretty cool when I came up with it and it worked |
| 01:01.44 | michaelh2 | just an openglcolor call :) |
| 01:01.49 | doughecka | how is that thing working where it says who is typeing? |
| 01:01.53 | doughecka | does that work? |
| 01:02.07 | michaelh2 | it works..... whether anyone cares or not? I don't know |
| 01:02.14 | doughecka | I care |
| 01:02.16 | doughecka | its cool |
| 01:02.32 | michaelh2 | it just displays a 3d T that spins around.... |
| 01:02.43 | patlabor221 | you should make it pull from a model file |
| 01:02.46 | michaelh2 | or [t] on the command line |
| 01:02.56 | doughecka | is it a patch? |
| 01:02.59 | michaelh2 | Yes |
| 01:03.13 | michaelh2 | only works with other clients that do the same thing though |
| 01:03.30 | michaelh2 | useless if just one person uses it :) |
| 01:03.31 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:03.37 | doughecka | but if G2 had it... |
| 01:03.42 | doughecka | it would be insainly popular |
| 01:03.47 | doughecka | since everybody has it |
| 01:04.02 | michaelh2 | yes.. I heard some people say they wouldn't want their typing status revealed |
| 01:04.13 | michaelh2 | but that's just another option |
| 01:04.13 | doughecka | well, have it as an option? |
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| 01:04.43 | michaelh2 | I also have an admin-for idiots patch now too :) |
| 01:04.57 | michaelh2 | can key your way through the various commands |
| 01:05.02 | doughecka | hah |
| 01:05.30 | michaelh2 | Also has lagstats, idlestats, flaghistory etc.. the non admin ones too |
| 01:05.54 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:05.57 | michaelh2 | I through report on there too... |
| 01:06.03 | michaelh2 | threw |
| 01:06.03 | doughecka | ~seen geoff |
| 01:06.04 | | doughecka: i haven't seen 'geoff' |
| 01:06.31 | creeperz | Ahhh |
| 01:06.38 | creeperz | It's so great to be back in #BZFlag |
| 01:06.59 | michaelh2 | I'm willing to put any of this stuff into cvs.. would need to be kind of finagled to get all 3 patches working at the same time |
| 01:07.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:07.17 | doughecka | if you can get all 3 working |
| 01:07.25 | doughecka | then that would be trully cool |
| 01:07.31 | michaelh2 | they all modifify similar sections of the code |
| 01:07.35 | creeperz | Is there a task manager for Linux? |
| 01:07.37 | doughecka | ick |
| 01:07.41 | michaelh2 | neighboring sections that is |
| 01:07.56 | michaelh2 | xkill for x apps |
| 01:08.05 | michaelh2 | kill -9 processid for console apps |
| 01:08.15 | michaelh2 | ps lists the ids |
| 01:08.18 | michaelh2 | or ps -a |
| 01:08.22 | creeperz | ok |
| 01:08.43 | michaelh2 | linux makes you work to kill your apps :) --- unless perhaps there's something niftier |
| 01:08.53 | michaelh2 | that I don't know |
| 01:08.57 | larsl | killall =) |
| 01:09.10 | doughecka | hahahaa |
| 01:09.11 | creeperz | :-) |
| 01:09.17 | creeperz | Kill me! |
| 01:09.20 | creeperz | ?? |
| 01:09.37 | creeperz | Wait, ummm. Run :-) |
| 01:10.01 | creeperz | ICK! this is the worst TV dinner ever |
| 01:10.08 | michaelh2 | is there a kill all? |
| 01:10.11 | creeperz | Ice-y :-) |
| 01:10.17 | patlabor221 | redhat has a process viewer too |
| 01:10.33 | creeperz | RRRRRRRReally? |
| 01:10.39 | creeperz | Woah |
| 01:11.10 | patlabor221 | X runs like crap with out 256megs in my opinion |
| 01:11.21 | creeperz | I have like 64 |
| 01:11.25 | patlabor221 | you don't realy configure mem |
| 01:11.26 | doughecka | hahaha |
| 01:11.27 | michaelh2 | lol |
| 01:11.27 | creeperz | :-) |
| 01:11.30 | patlabor221 | X jus uses it |
| 01:11.35 | creeperz | Hmm |
| 01:11.40 | patlabor221 | get more, put it in, that's about it |
| 01:11.44 | michaelh2 | how current is your linux creeperz? |
| 01:11.51 | creeperz | 9.0 |
| 01:11.54 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 01:11.55 | creeperz | Red Hat |
| 01:11.55 | patlabor221 | he's got rh9 |
| 01:12.18 | michaelh2 | I can tell I need that other 128 -- I'm kind of afraid of getting the wrong memory now :) |
| 01:12.34 | creeperz | The dude down at the comp store told me that with Linux you had to configure mem into the system or something along those lines |
| 01:12.48 | michaelh2 | but hey 128 plain old sdram == $30 :) |
| 01:12.50 | doughecka | he doesnt know what hes talking about |
| 01:12.50 | doughecka | :P |
| 01:12.52 | creeperz | OZ? |
| 01:13.05 | doughecka | OpenZaurus |
| 01:13.11 | patlabor221 | the system monitor app is kind of like the task manager |
| 01:13.15 | creeperz | michaelh2: In town, I was lucky to be able to return that memory |
| 01:13.22 | creeperz | Ohhhh |
| 01:13.40 | patlabor221 | yeah X will use all the ram it needs |
| 01:13.42 | creeperz | michaelh2: I got my 128 for 36 |
| 01:13.53 | michaelh2 | I have an older system -- as patl was so kind to point out -- not all current sdram works in the old systems |
| 01:13.59 | doughecka | ebay is ALOT cheaper for sdram |
| 01:14.01 | creeperz | :-) |
| 01:14.31 | patlabor221 | creeper what speed was that ram for 36, that seems high |
| 01:14.31 | doughecka | so I get a total of 512, woo woo |
| 01:14.48 | creeperz | No idea |
| 01:14.49 | doughecka | patlabor221: you do, realy stuff. |
| 01:15.04 | michaelh2 | I bet that was local wasn't it creeperz? |
| 01:15.06 | creeperz | That's "XTreme"! |
| 01:15.18 | patlabor221 | actualy the mobo will take 3 gigs |
| 01:15.20 | creeperz | What do you mean by local? |
| 01:15.20 | doughecka | real even |
| 01:15.27 | creeperz | Like, inside my PC? |
| 01:15.28 | michaelh2 | innnnnn townnnnnnnnnn |
| 01:15.32 | creeperz | Ohhh |
| 01:15.34 | michaelh2 | vs.. internet bought |
| 01:15.37 | doughecka | patlabor221: amazing, what would you DO with that much memory? |
| 01:15.38 | creeperz | Town |
| 01:15.53 | creeperz | I got lost in the subject |
| 01:16.01 | patlabor221 | well doug, our app takes up about 500 megs when you debug it, not counting the mem for the part |
| 01:16.07 | doughecka | ick |
| 01:16.16 | patlabor221 | and some parts are 100's of megs large |
| 01:16.18 | patlabor221 | so. |
| 01:16.26 | patlabor221 | the answer is "I use it" |
| 01:16.34 | creeperz | I got an Ethernet Card for $14.00 |
| 01:16.44 | creeperz | DING-DING-DING! |
| 01:16.51 | doughecka | but 3 gigs? |
| 01:16.52 | patlabor221 | at home I have a gig in one, and 512 in the lin machine. |
| 01:17.00 | doughecka | I mean, if you have an app that uses 3 gigs... |
| 01:17.03 | patlabor221 | we have some parts that are 2 gigs large |
| 01:17.06 | doughecka | impressive |
| 01:17.12 | creeperz | With the new computer I'm buying, it has 80 gig hd |
| 01:17.14 | patlabor221 | they are large. |
| 01:17.36 | creeperz | Of course, I'll be dead before my dad will actually buy it |
| 01:17.43 | patlabor221 | creeper a PC133 128 meg DIMM goes for about $14 |
| 01:17.51 | creeperz | Sayys he'll make the money and buy it |
| 01:18.11 | doughecka | why not YOU make ur own money? |
| 01:18.13 | creeperz | Wha/ |
| 01:18.18 | patlabor221 | 256 HD DIMM is about $20 |
| 01:18.26 | creeperz | Then he tells me to help him...then he just complains that I'm not helping him when I really am! |
| 01:18.40 | michaelh2 | where you do you see that pat? |
| 01:18.41 | creeperz | Really? |
| 01:18.46 | patlabor221 | on der internet |
| 01:18.56 | creeperz | NERRRR-na-herrr |
| 01:18.57 | michaelh2 | pricewatch? |
| 01:19.05 | patlabor221 | http://www.pcboost.com/store/listmemory.asp?IDCategory=94 |
| 01:19.06 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:19.31 | patlabor221 | LD 256's are 'spensive :( |
| 01:19.51 | creeperz | patlabor221: At least you can afford it within a month's time or so |
| 01:19.54 | michaelh2 | well I saw rumors on google that they don't work unless they are registered |
| 01:20.07 | creeperz | I had to literally BEG for this computer |
| 01:20.10 | patlabor221 | creeper I don't buy SDRAM, and I am a bit older then you. |
| 01:20.36 | creeperz | And, with RH9.0, my computer runs SO slow that it pissed my dad off to no end so he's buying me a new computer :-) |
| 01:20.38 | patlabor221 | naw I had a BX chipset and it ran PC133 stuff tine. |
| 01:20.46 | creeperz | Heh |
| 01:20.54 | patlabor221 | your not going to be running it near it's limit |
| 01:20.56 | patlabor221 | so you'll be fine |
| 01:21.03 | patlabor221 | your only runnin it at 100 mhz |
| 01:21.10 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:21.13 | doughecka | what processor? |
| 01:21.18 | patlabor221 | 300a |
| 01:21.22 | patlabor221 | @450 |
| 01:21.29 | patlabor221 | you could try to take it to 600 |
| 01:21.31 | doughecka | yech |
| 01:21.35 | doughecka | hah |
| 01:21.35 | patlabor221 | it has been done. |
| 01:21.38 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:21.40 | doughecka | with cooling |
| 01:21.50 | patlabor221 | I've seen it done with just a fan |
| 01:21.56 | patlabor221 | and heat sync |
| 01:22.01 | doughecka | wow |
| 01:22.14 | patlabor221 | the celly's actualy cool better then the origonal PIIs |
| 01:22.16 | creeperz | Tommy Boy! |
| 01:22.21 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:22.25 | patlabor221 | they don't have all that box crap |
| 01:22.28 | doughecka | I have a boat load of cellys too |
| 01:22.43 | patlabor221 | often a double side sink and fan work fine |
| 01:23.01 | creeperz | Brb |
| 01:23.27 | doughecka | hmm, 450 OC is without an extra heatsink and stuff? |
| 01:23.32 | doughecka | only the standard stuff |
| 01:23.32 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 01:23.35 | patlabor221 | I did it |
| 01:23.42 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:23.44 | doughecka | I might try that |
| 01:23.45 | patlabor221 | ran for bout a year |
| 01:23.51 | doughecka | ooh, I would need 133 ram though |
| 01:24.01 | patlabor221 | no 100 |
| 01:24.09 | patlabor221 | they run at 66 normal |
| 01:24.34 | doughecka | oh? |
| 01:24.36 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:24.37 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:24.45 | doughecka | well, I have 66 ram |
| 01:24.46 | doughecka | :) |
| 01:24.53 | doughecka | so I would need to get more anyway :D |
| 01:24.56 | patlabor221 | 300/66 = 4.5 , 4.5 * 100 = 450 |
| 01:25.08 | doughecka | cool |
| 01:25.13 | doughecka | I do have a 330 or something too |
| 01:25.22 | patlabor221 | the 333 celly? |
| 01:25.33 | patlabor221 | that is the WORST overclocable celly |
| 01:25.51 | doughecka | yea |
| 01:25.53 | patlabor221 | the 350 P3 is good tho |
| 01:25.59 | doughecka | but I do have a 300 I think |
| 01:26.00 | creeperz | Back |
| 01:26.04 | patlabor221 | the 300A was the most stable |
| 01:26.14 | patlabor221 | has to be a 300a tho |
| 01:26.19 | creeperz | Patlabor221 |
| 01:26.23 | creeperz | Check these specs |
| 01:26.33 | patlabor221 | on what? |
| 01:26.35 | michaelh2 | 300a @450 here :) |
| 01:26.35 | creeperz | Ultra XX Intel System |
| 01:26.51 | patlabor221 | what is an ultra xx? |
| 01:26.57 | doughecka | a puter name I guess |
| 01:26.58 | creeperz | HDD 80GB 7.2 ATA100 |
| 01:27.07 | creeperz | Ultra is the componay' |
| 01:27.14 | creeperz | And XX is the model I guess |
| 01:27.30 | patlabor221 | what kind of CPU? |
| 01:27.39 | creeperz | WHTBX 4YR/2YR Warranty |
| 01:27.56 | patlabor221 | none of that so far makes any sense |
| 01:28.36 | creeperz | CPU? Umm, P4 1.8GHZ 512K 400FSB |
| 01:28.52 | patlabor221 | ok 1.8 @ 100 mhz then |
| 01:28.54 | patlabor221 | how much ram? |
| 01:29.14 | patlabor221 | and what type of ram |
| 01:29.26 | creeperz | 256mb |
| 01:29.34 | patlabor221 | probably sdram |
| 01:29.36 | creeperz | DDR |
| 01:29.42 | patlabor221 | ohh not bad |
| 01:29.45 | patlabor221 | what video? |
| 01:30.12 | creeperz | GF4 MX440 |
| 01:30.17 | patlabor221 | how much? |
| 01:30.31 | creeperz | w/TV compatibility |
| 01:30.35 | creeperz | 1199 |
| 01:30.37 | creeperz | $1199 |
| 01:30.47 | patlabor221 | with or without a monitor? |
| 01:30.53 | creeperz | Comes with a mod box and a cool light |
| 01:30.53 | patlabor221 | and does it come with like free sex? |
| 01:30.54 | creeperz | w/o |
| 01:31.14 | patlabor221 | that is WAYYYYYY too much |
| 01:31.20 | patlabor221 | that should be like $300 |
| 01:31.27 | creeperz | With it comes with a 17" flat screen LCD |
| 01:31.35 | patlabor221 | ohh that's difrent then |
| 01:31.45 | patlabor221 | so it does come with a monitor |
| 01:31.46 | creeperz | patlabor221: the monitor is worth more than this computer |
| 01:31.49 | patlabor221 | yes it is |
| 01:31.51 | michaelh2 | you are obvious an internet shopper :) |
| 01:31.58 | patlabor221 | me? |
| 01:32.00 | creeperz | Nope |
| 01:32.02 | creeperz | Not internet |
| 01:32.11 | michaelh2 | I mean that's part of the difference |
| 01:32.15 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:32.17 | michaelh2 | in general |
| 01:32.22 | creeperz | AND IT'S IN TOWN TONIGHT!] |
| 01:32.37 | patlabor221 | I just get it all from the wholesaler |
| 01:32.52 | patlabor221 | we have 17" flat panels for like 420 |
| 01:32.56 | patlabor221 | and that system would be under 200 |
| 01:33.02 | patlabor221 | soryr under 300 |
| 01:33.17 | creeperz | Ultra makes the motherboards for Dell and I thing Gateway |
| 01:33.31 | patlabor221 | no they are made in tiwan |
| 01:33.45 | patlabor221 | they propbalby just buy the same OEM stuff |
| 01:33.50 | creeperz | Damn, so is this junk :-/ |
| 01:33.54 | creeperz | Must |
| 01:34.04 | patlabor221 | it's a low end machine for this day in age |
| 01:34.12 | michaelh2 | no name brands are always a risk..... |
| 01:34.13 | patlabor221 | but thats normal "computer store" pricing |
| 01:34.18 | creeperz | Not the worst |
| 01:34.29 | patlabor221 | no, that's about as low as you can get these days |
| 01:34.29 | michaelh2 | a risk that drivers will stop being made and the company will dissapear |
| 01:34.40 | patlabor221 | drivers for what michaelh? |
| 01:34.41 | michaelh2 | I have a no-name monitor -- I speak from experience :) |
| 01:34.50 | patlabor221 | it's gonna be an 825 mobo |
| 01:34.53 | michaelh2 | no-name monitor == not good :) |
| 01:35.00 | patlabor221 | and it's got a GF4MX |
| 01:35.07 | patlabor221 | so that's all the driver he realy needs |
| 01:35.27 | michaelh2 | Well for monitor I guess I mean in particular -- I never was able to get the right settings |
| 01:35.40 | patlabor221 | creeper if you don't realy need a flat panel I would sugest a CTR |
| 01:35.43 | patlabor221 | CRT |
| 01:35.45 | creeperz | Oh |
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| 01:35.48 | patlabor221 | you can get larger for a lot cheaper |
| 01:35.49 | michaelh2 | works ok.. but I have to choose some other generic monitor |
| 01:35.49 | creeperz | CDRW and a DVD-ROM with all of the drivers needed |
| 01:36.02 | patlabor221 | we have 17 CRTs for like 100 |
| 01:36.07 | creeperz | I'm using my ol' V50 hp pavilion |
| 01:36.09 | patlabor221 | 19"s for like 170 |
| 01:36.17 | creeperz | Flat? |
| 01:36.22 | patlabor221 | flat trinitron |
| 01:36.26 | patlabor221 | but not an LCD |
| 01:36.30 | creeperz | I'll consider |
| 01:36.43 | patlabor221 | LCDs actualy don't look that good for games when you can't run the native res |
| 01:36.55 | creeperz | TTell me about it :-) |
| 01:37.37 | patlabor221 | does that have an OS on it? |
| 01:38.05 | creeperz | XP pro |
| 01:38.27 | patlabor221 | $90 |
| 01:39.51 | patlabor221 | we offer these systems |
| 01:39.53 | patlabor221 | http://www.rgpsales.com/Systems.htm |
| 01:40.10 | creeperz | Heh, I'm not going to click any links |
| 01:40.17 | patlabor221 | ok |
| 01:40.22 | patlabor221 | suit your self then |
| 01:40.26 | creeperz | Comp's too slow anyway |
| 01:40.47 | creeperz | I click and it's an atomic bomb |
| 01:42.47 | patlabor221 | out little 1.3 durron with 512megs of DDR 80gig, 48xcrdw, DVD, and GF4MX is like $470 |
| 01:43.10 | patlabor221 | and an optical mouse and stuff |
| 01:43.17 | creeperz | Not too bad |
| 01:43.26 | patlabor221 | then a 19" montiro is 200 |
| 01:43.37 | patlabor221 | no OS tho |
| 01:43.45 | patlabor221 | XP would cost like $90 more |
| 01:43.50 | creeperz | Yes |
| 01:44.05 | creeperz | So it comes with just text-prompt? |
| 01:44.27 | patlabor221 | no it comes with a blank drive |
| 01:44.34 | patlabor221 | unless you order windows |
| 01:44.48 | patlabor221 | if you order windows it'll be installed |
| 01:44.53 | creeperz | Preinstall? Or would I have to? |
| 01:45.00 | patlabor221 | we install windows |
| 01:45.10 | patlabor221 | it's all OEM preinstall stuff |
| 01:45.10 | creeperz | That's cool |
| 01:45.18 | creeperz | Great |
| 01:45.26 | creeperz | What's the link to that? |
| 01:45.33 | patlabor221 | otherwise it's "no boot devices found" |
| 01:45.38 | patlabor221 | the one I put right up there |
| 01:45.51 | patlabor221 | http://www.rgpsales.com/AMD_Duron.htm |
| 01:46.15 | patlabor221 | ohh it's 99 for XP my bad |
| 01:46.34 | patlabor221 | and it's real name brand parts |
| 01:47.50 | patlabor221 | you could get a 17"LDC if you wanted |
| 01:47.55 | patlabor221 | but it's like 399 |
| 01:48.25 | patlabor221 | ok time to get on home |
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| 01:59.23 | michaelh | wart medicine is interesting |
| 02:09.19 | michaelh | what is the linux-i386 make thingee? |
| 02:09.43 | michaelh | vs plain old linux |
| 02:11.05 | rbergero | make bzImage |
| 02:12.48 | michaelh | ? |
| 02:13.38 | michaelh | what is bzimage |
| 02:15.11 | michaelh | heh |
| 02:18.10 | asdf | hello |
| 02:20.48 | michaelh | what is up with the "half-rate" audio thing in linux? |
| 02:21.06 | michaelh | some library limitation? |
| 02:23.31 | michaelh | its right on the make command line |
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| 02:26.55 | creeperz | HHallo |
| 02:29.52 | rbergero | but you get 50% extra spiffiness if you call right now! ;) |
| 02:30.02 | creeperz | HEhe |
| 02:30.25 | creeperz | BUT WAIT! You'll get a 2nd one for only 19.95! |
| 02:30.43 | creeperz | WOW! That's 4x the spiffiness! |
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| 02:34.10 | creeperz | Hi |
| 02:42.19 | bzgirl | is cvs access down? |
| 02:43.34 | creeperz | Shouldn't be |
| 02:44.10 | bzgirl | im getting an error "cannot get working directory: no such file" |
| 02:44.22 | bzgirl | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 02:44.58 | creeperz | Try bzflag.cvs.org I think :-/ |
| 02:46.24 | bzgirl | didnt work either |
| 02:46.27 | bzgirl | same error |
| 02:46.34 | michaelh | could be location of -r V1_7 |
| 02:46.54 | michaelh | hmmm |
| 02:47.04 | creeperz | Oh |
| 02:47.24 | creeperz | Umm, see if it connects if you take out the v1_7 and just go to the default for that |
| 02:47.53 | michaelh | it's anonymous@ cvs.sourceforge.net |
| 02:48.16 | bzgirl | with whitespace after the @? |
| 02:48.19 | michaelh | i think the -r V1_7 is in the right spot |
| 02:48.21 | michaelh | no |
| 02:48.44 | michaelh | cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag login |
| 02:49.04 | michaelh | is what's on the webpage |
| 02:49.22 | michaelh | not sure what "co" does :) |
| 02:50.00 | captain_proton | check out |
| 02:50.27 | michaelh | you also have a space between -d: and :pserver -- shouldn't be there I think |
| 02:50.47 | michaelh | and "-z3" ? |
| 02:51.48 | captain_proton | michaelh: doesn't matter |
| 02:51.48 | captain_proton | bzgirl: your commands look right |
| 02:52.06 | bzgirl | the login worked this time |
| 02:52.50 | bzgirl | but now when getting the sources i get an : login aborted end of file from server |
| 02:53.18 | bzgirl | not sue what i have broken now :) |
| 02:53.58 | bzgirl | ok its working |
| 02:54.38 | bzgirl | cvs -d :pserver:anonymous@cvs.bzflag.org:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag is correct |
| 02:54.59 | michaelh | trying cvs logout a couple of times |
| 02:55.10 | michaelh | and then try the other one a few times |
| 02:55.22 | michaelh | some combo like that |
| 02:55.23 | michaelh | :) |
| 02:55.53 | michaelh | i get that sometimes |
| 02:56.56 | bzgirl | michaelh: patch seemed to work, compiling now |
| 02:57.07 | michaelh | cool... |
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| 03:01.43 | bzgirl | hi JB |
| 03:02.31 | JBDiGriz | hi there, i was getting client hangs while playing on rosemeyers, so i thought i'd stop in here for a bit |
| 03:03.24 | bzgirl | only on rose's? |
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| 03:03.52 | JBDiGriz | for tonight, i was playing at kelsoes last night with no problem |
| 03:04.40 | michaelh | hey captain, anyone else .. why is the sound on linux half-rate? |
| 03:04.59 | captain_proton | michaelh: the sound on everything is half-rate |
| 03:05.05 | captain_proton | thats how the wav files come (22kHz) |
| 03:05.10 | bzgirl | michaelh: servers patched and running, works great |
| 03:05.15 | michaelh | cool |
| 03:05.28 | michaelh | it's not the server, the client is what is patched... |
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| 03:05.40 | doughecka | greetings |
| 03:05.43 | JBDiGriz | what is this patch for? |
| 03:06.05 | michaelh | <-- and --> can control the admin and other server commands |
| 03:06.12 | michaelh | and up and down |
| 03:06.25 | michaelh | instead of "n" and then /commandhere |
| 03:06.49 | bzgirl | JB http://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=648 |
| 03:06.52 | michaelh | linux has some -DHALF_RATE_SOUND thingee |
| 03:07.01 | michaelh | and I think it specifies 11000 somewhere |
| 03:08.13 | michaelh | it actually includes every server command that I could see |
| 03:08.23 | michaelh | so you move up and down over all of them |
| 03:08.31 | michaelh | with the arrow keys |
| 03:09.00 | michaelh | and if you are in ban or kick function left and right chooses the player to kick .. |
| 03:09.21 | michaelh | ban in this case takes the ip of the player and presents it for banning |
| 03:09.47 | creeperz | Hi |
| 03:09.54 | bzgirl | its very easy now :) |
| 03:10.03 | creeperz | Can someone do me a favor? |
| 03:10.08 | michaelh | Cool to play with flags I think |
| 03:10.21 | michaelh | and you can kick yourself always :) |
| 03:10.52 | michaelh | I think /countdown should have a time value on the server .. it doesn't right now |
| 03:11.27 | bzgirl | send report to server does what exactly? |
| 03:11.55 | michaelh | the newest server in CVS -- it allows you to see on the command line whatever a client says |
| 03:12.01 | michaelh | or writes it to a file |
| 03:12.09 | michaelh | or sends it to a pipe |
| 03:12.19 | michaelh | -reportfile or -reportpipe on the server I think |
| 03:12.31 | michaelh | sort of like a comment box or something |
| 03:12.37 | bzgirl | oh is this documented? |
| 03:12.50 | michaelh | I think it is in the man pages |
| 03:13.03 | michaelh | it's another guys feature he just put in the server |
| 03:13.10 | michaelh | I forgot his name .... :( |
| 03:13.21 | creeperz | Heh |
| 03:13.21 | creeperz | willy nelson likes XM Radio :-) |
| 03:13.37 | michaelh | I haven't added any of my stuff to the man pages yet.. I have to figure that out |
| 03:13.51 | michaelh | is there some "man page editor" ? |
| 03:14.16 | michaelh | stuff looks like it is written in greek |
| 03:14.27 | JBDiGriz | Most people use vi or emacs, it's written in nroff |
| 03:15.36 | JBDiGriz | If there are questions I can answer, let me know |
| 03:15.41 | michaelh | It looks like other people don't put their bzfs options in the man pages either :) |
| 03:15.50 | creeperz | Ahhh, futuraama! :-) |
| 03:16.00 | bzgirl | i think you do make man? |
| 03:16.12 | bzgirl | hmm..... |
| 03:16.42 | creeperz | Heh, Bender dressed up in a Tux and got ttacked by a killer whale |
| 03:17.23 | creeperz | Ahhh, my can-o-air is depleted :-( |
| 03:18.51 | JBDiGriz | make man looks like it just packs and compresses the man pages for distribution |
| 03:20.54 | JBDiGriz | If you want to see what it looks like, the command is "nroff -man bzflag.6s | more" |
| 03:20.57 | JBDiGriz | no quotes |
| 03:21.58 | michaelh | seems like kde does it automatically |
| 03:22.10 | michaelh | is there really any complilation to be done? |
| 03:22.11 | creeperz | Bender got shot :-) ThaT MAKES my can-o-air seem almost repleted :-P |
| 03:22.33 | michaelh | or are all man pages in the .6s sort of form |
| 03:22.50 | JBDiGriz | they are usually installed gzipped, but often in the .6 form |
| 03:23.04 | JBDiGriz | The 6 indicates that they go in the games section of the man pages |
| 03:23.15 | bzgirl | mine are all gz's on debian, i use zless to read them |
| 03:23.18 | creeperz | LOL!!! KILLER PENGUINS! |
| 03:23.39 | JBDiGriz | Is that in the /usr/share/man directory, or the source directory? |
| 03:25.12 | bzgirl | in /usr/share/man |
| 03:26.12 | creeperz | The last two penguins on the planet both puicked up a shot gun and pumped it...That will affct the food webs dramatically ;-) |
| 03:26.18 | JBDiGriz | Those are installed. The raw source isn't compressed. |
| 03:31.07 | JBDiGriz | The \f command is a font change B=bold R=roman I=italic |
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| 03:40.03 | HEINOLA | hello all |
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| 03:41.50 | rbergero | hey Tim |
| 03:48.49 | bzgirl | goodnite |
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| 03:55.47 | creeperz | Uugh!1 I can't take this crap! |
| 03:56.12 | creeperz | It's been nearly 3 1/2 hours for RH9 updates! |
| 03:56.27 | Patlabor221 | rhn is not the fastest |
| 03:57.16 | creeperz | :-0 |
| 03:57.16 | creeperz | :-) ** |
| 04:00.52 | creeperz | Why, aren't we the quick one. Almost as fast as my computer is slow ;-) |
| 04:00.52 | Patlabor221 | you work with cows? |
| 04:00.53 | captain_proton | actually no |
| 04:00.53 | captain_proton | they're surprisingly competant people |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 04:00.53 | creeperz | Lupin iii old anuime, ay? |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | 80's |
| 04:00.53 | Patlabor221 | but that's also it's style |
| 04:00.53 | creeperz | People have pencils for legs :-) |
| 04:00.59 | Patlabor221 | it's a style |
| 04:01.22 | creeperz | And fat drunk chicks partying on a couch :-) |
| 04:01.57 | creeperz | Sounds like somethoing I would say in Halo :-) |
| 04:01.58 | Patlabor221 | I'm very happy for them |
| 04:02.12 | captain_proton | yay |
| 04:02.17 | captain_proton | someone is donating new chairs for the labs |
| 04:02.24 | captain_proton | that makes me so happy |
| 04:02.37 | Patlabor221 | workers are only as happy as there asses |
| 04:02.56 | creeperz | I sniped my friend ythrough the heart then I started singing that one song: "Shot through tthe heart" |
| 04:03.04 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: exactly |
| 04:03.34 | Patlabor221 | WTF: ion storm still lives |
| 04:04.01 | captain_proton | ion storm? |
| 04:04.09 | Patlabor221 | the game company |
| 04:04.11 | creeperz | Anyoen have an Atari Lynx? |
| 04:04.20 | Patlabor221 | reember what John Romero started? |
| 04:04.29 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 04:04.42 | captain_proton | but those were rare even when atari was making them |
| 04:04.56 | captain_proton | and there are all of about 3 games for it |
| 04:04.58 | Patlabor221 | infogramers is changing there name to atari |
| 04:05.02 | creeperz | Jaguar? handheld? |
| 04:05.07 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:05.18 | Patlabor221 | ohh wait no |
| 04:05.22 | creeperz | My friend has 1 game for his Lynx |
| 04:05.22 | captain_proton | not handheld |
| 04:05.23 | Patlabor221 | it was there last console |
| 04:05.30 | captain_proton | jaguar was their "64-bit" console |
| 04:05.35 | creeperz | Really? I had never heard of it |
| 04:05.39 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:05.39 | captain_proton | not surprising |
| 04:05.51 | captain_proton | it was really just dual 32-bit processors |
| 04:05.53 | creeperz | really 64 bit? :-) |
| 04:06.10 | creeperz | How long ago was this? |
| 04:06.18 | Patlabor221 | the only console i know of that was real 64 was the M2 |
| 04:06.26 | Patlabor221 | proalby 95 ish |
| 04:06.36 | creeperz | Oh |
| 04:06.49 | creeperz | Ok, I thought it was older than that |
| 04:07.03 | creeperz | The Lynx actually has cheats for games |
| 04:07.19 | captain_proton | but i think of all the "64" consoles, jaguar had the best looking pictures |
| 04:07.22 | Patlabor221 | why get a handheld if you just want to cheat? |
| 04:07.30 | Patlabor221 | cap what other 64's where there? |
| 04:07.38 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:07.51 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: n64, a number of taiwanese ones |
| 04:07.52 | Patlabor221 | it was a competitor with the saturn, PS, and 3do |
| 04:08.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah the N64 that's right |
| 04:08.04 | creeperz | Ms. Pacman is cool :-) HHig hspeed, infinite lives, skip levels |
| 04:08.15 | captain_proton | 3do was nifty too |
| 04:08.24 | Patlabor221 | was only a 32 bit system |
| 04:08.26 | captain_proton | aside from the fact that it cost about 8 times as much as everything else |
| 04:08.35 | Patlabor221 | they never made the 3do M3 |
| 04:08.37 | Patlabor221 | sorry M2 |
| 04:08.57 | Patlabor221 | you ever want to get a neo-geo home system? :) |
| 04:09.06 | creeperz | The trigun season must be over :-/ |
| 04:09.16 | creeperz | :,-( |
| 04:10.44 | Patlabor221 | trigun was an OVA if I recall correctly, so it probably only had 13 eps |
| 04:11.14 | creeperz | OVA? |
| 04:11.24 | Patlabor221 | Origonal Video Animation |
| 04:11.31 | Patlabor221 | aka, not a movie, or not a TV series. |
| 04:11.35 | creeperz | Oh |
| 04:12.18 | creeperz | Patlabor221: What type of a connection do you have in your house |
| 04:12.24 | Patlabor221 | DSL |
| 04:12.45 | creeperz | Ahh |
| 04:12.57 | Patlabor221 | 1.5 megs down 256k Up |
| 04:13.10 | creeperz | Tad faster thann mine :-) |
| 04:14.53 | Patlabor221 | ahh looks to be a TV series |
| 04:14.56 | Patlabor221 | 26 eps |
| 04:15.02 | Patlabor221 | hence the low quality |
| 04:15.22 | creeperz | Hey, trigun is cool :-) |
| 04:15.29 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure it is |
| 04:15.31 | creeperz | You ever watch the 1st ep? |
| 04:15.49 | Patlabor221 | but TV series are of lower animation quality then OVAs or Movies |
| 04:15.53 | Patlabor221 | it never came down. |
| 04:16.11 | creeperz | Wow |
| 04:16.45 | Patlabor221 | looking at the screenies it does look on par with normal TV series image quality |
| 04:16.51 | creeperz | If the series isn't over (which I don't really think it is) you should just turn on CN sometime and check it out |
| 04:17.09 | Patlabor221 | the series ended in japan like 3 years ago:) |
| 04:17.29 | Patlabor221 | they have moved onto someing else |
| 04:17.35 | creeperz | When i get my new comp, I'll have those downloaded, burned and sent via EXPRESS (hint hint) mail to you |
| 04:17.37 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:17.57 | creeperz | Cartoon Network still airs |
| 04:18.26 | Patlabor221 | toonami edits stuff too |
| 04:18.49 | creeperz | captain_proton: I don't hardly like CN anime, but it's a resource for me to learn about other animes |
| 04:18.56 | creeperz | I hate toonami |
| 04:19.02 | creeperz | Adult swim is the way to go |
| 04:19.10 | creeperz | And still, AS still edits it |
| 04:19.17 | Patlabor221 | AS is toonami |
| 04:19.23 | creeperz | AS= Adult Swin |
| 04:19.28 | creeperz | No |
| 04:19.28 | Patlabor221 | = toonami |
| 04:19.33 | Patlabor221 | yes it's all the same people :) |
| 04:19.37 | creeperz | AS is after toonami |
| 04:19.39 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:19.41 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:19.46 | Patlabor221 | but it's all made by the same people |
| 04:19.51 | creeperz | I see what you're getting at |
| 04:19.52 | Patlabor221 | just just swap the shows around |
| 04:20.26 | Patlabor221 | nothing ever compares to the awesomeness that is Macross plus |
| 04:20.28 | creeperz | And there's usually a little bit more profanity in uncut that in AS |
| 04:20.42 | creeperz | Who ever remembers Sega Channel? |
| 04:20.52 | creeperz | Never heard of it |
| 04:21.14 | creeperz | My fruend bought .hack//sign on DVD |
| 04:21.15 | Patlabor221 | Mac+ ownzors you |
| 04:21.32 | Patlabor221 | in a way that you have never been ownzored |
| 04:21.55 | captain_proton | sort of like how this matrox digisuite ownzors me? |
| 04:22.15 | Patlabor221 | is it a good ownzor or a bad ownzor? |
| 04:22.20 | creeperz | Ok |
| 04:22.25 | creeperz | I gotta hit the sack |
| 04:22.29 | creeperz | Big day tomorrow |
| 04:22.35 | creeperz | Gunna help my dad |
| 04:22.49 | Patlabor221 | we are soo very happy for you |
| 04:22.49 | creeperz | See you guys later |
| 04:23.04 | creeperz | :-0 |
| 04:23.06 | captain_proton | good i think |
| 04:23.35 | creeperz | I can just fell you're ecstatic attitude :-) |
| 04:23.40 | creeperz | See yu |
| 04:24.09 | Patlabor221 | I'm prety sure I got an ep of Mac+ somewhere here |
| 04:25.46 | Patlabor221 | apears like I have ep1 |
| 04:25.52 | Patlabor221 | I could dcc it to you cap |
| 04:26.02 | Patlabor221 | but I don't have phat upstream |
| 04:26.45 | Patlabor221 | and it's 275 megs |
| 04:27.27 | captain_proton | eh |
| 04:27.37 | captain_proton | i'd rather have the whole thing than just a piece |
| 04:28.10 | Patlabor221 | I will atempt to get the DVDs back from he who has them |
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| 04:30.14 | Patlabor221 | it is one that should be seen dubbed, as the voice dept did a most ecelent job in the translation |
| 04:30.47 | Patlabor221 | sub has "I must find people better then this", dub has "there's gotta be someone better then these slakers!!!" |
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| 05:33.14 | Patlabor221 | quite posibly |
| 05:33.33 | MrApathyCream | posibly has two 's's too :) |
| 05:34.17 | MrApathyCream | so how goes g4? |
| 05:35.25 | Patlabor221 | well there is a suposed huge server exploit |
| 05:35.29 | Patlabor221 | that can crash the server |
| 05:35.34 | Patlabor221 | and posibly get shell access |
| 05:36.16 | MrApathyCream | farking g4, the g2 release was so much better. But it's been a while, like 6 months, or so, no? |
| 05:36.53 | Patlabor221 | probably |
| 05:41.25 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* -- a phantom Riker again. |
| 05:42.26 | MrApathyCream | I think it must be Henry, just lurking |
| 05:43.44 | MrApathyCream | welp, off to 5133p |
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| 05:48.18 | TimRiker | captain_proton: zarus |
| 05:48.36 | captain_proton | ah |
| 05:48.54 | TimRiker | cniV is planning to do some hacking on cheat protection. |
| 05:49.02 | TimRiker | we've been chatting. |
| 05:49.20 | TimRiker | I plan to get ready for g2 RSN. |
| 05:49.25 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:49.37 | captain_proton | TimRiker: you heard any more about this rumor of a shell exploit? |
| 05:49.38 | Patlabor221 | you hear about the crashes and the suposed shell exploit? |
| 05:49.40 | TimRiker | the joystick patch should be added, and the list server cache tested and added. |
| 05:49.51 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: heard, have not seen code. |
| 05:49.59 | Patlabor221 | noone has seen code |
| 05:50.14 | TimRiker | who has seen the shell exploit happen? |
| 05:51.06 | Patlabor221 | jorm I think |
| 05:52.08 | TimRiker | looks like xmission has not been touched. it's not a production binary though. |
| 05:52.36 | TimRiker | er updates... |
| 05:54.29 | TimRiker | I'm sure there are exploits in there. probably in bzfls too. |
| 05:55.04 | TimRiker | it's not been audited after all. patches welcome. |
| 05:55.12 | captain_proton | a couple years ago i went through and looked |
| 05:55.22 | TimRiker | DoS is easy. just connect and keep all the ports open. |
| 05:55.41 | captain_proton | the methodology that bzfs uses doesn't leave much for shell exploits |
| 05:56.06 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:56.18 | TimRiker | agreed, I'm just saying that it's not been deeply checked. |
| 05:57.24 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:57.34 | captain_proton | bzdeath.c suggests the author has found a buffer overflow |
| 05:57.47 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:57.48 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:58.19 | captain_proton | it says it floods the reconnect port with random garbage |
| 05:58.27 | captain_proton | suggesting to me that superkill isn't working correctly |
| 05:58.37 | TimRiker | yeah. that'll do a DoS alright. |
| 05:59.23 | TimRiker | superkill only happens when it's confirmed garbage. that might take a while to happen. |
| 05:59.57 | captain_proton | isn't there a very specific series of handshakes that clients go through? |
| 06:00.24 | TimRiker | yeah, but I don't recall if we superkill on every failure or not. |
| 06:00.38 | captain_proton | i think its obvious that we don't ;) |
| 06:00.45 | TimRiker | and the superkill/close in one go is new in CVS, right? |
| 06:01.54 | TimRiker | looks like the list server has not been hit either. |
| 06:02.39 | captain_proton | if only we had a way of talking to this "russian code molester" |
| 06:03.22 | TimRiker | where is bzdeath.c ? |
| 06:03.30 | captain_proton | larsl dcced it to me |
| 06:03.35 | captain_proton | hang on, let me send |
| 06:04.44 | TimRiker | no dcc. scp it to sf? |
| 06:04.57 | captain_proton | why no dcc? its an outgoing connection on your side |
| 06:05.07 | TimRiker | facist fw |
| 06:05.42 | captain_proton | i see |
| 06:05.57 | TimRiker | no dns here, not outbound tcp/udp etc. |
| 06:06.03 | TimRiker | s/not/no/ |
| 06:10.31 | TimRiker | so does it work on current CVS code? |
| 06:11.02 | captain_proton | i haven't tried, but i'd wager a 'yes' |
| 06:11.34 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.34 | TimRiker | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:11.40 | TimRiker | I think that's a no. |
| 06:11.52 | TimRiker | and on the server: |
| 06:12.00 | TimRiker | Player [0] shutdownAcceptClient: close(7) |
| 06:12.00 | TimRiker | addClient: no candidate player slot found |
| 06:12.23 | captain_proton | try it a few times? it is random data |
| 06:12.28 | TimRiker | guess we have another reason to get g2 out the door. thanx ussian code molester! ;-) |
| 06:13.12 | TimRiker | running it in a continual loop now. |
| 06:14.07 | captain_proton | and no crash? |
| 06:14.19 | captain_proton | shall i post to bzbb suggesting that server operators upgrade to CVS for now? |
| 06:15.11 | TimRiker | still testing. |
| 06:15.21 | TimRiker | over 8000 runs now and no crash. |
| 06:15.41 | TimRiker | Player [0] addClient: close(7) |
| 06:15.41 | TimRiker | Player [0] on 7 removed: Write error |
| 06:15.41 | TimRiker | Segmentation fault |
| 06:15.56 | TimRiker | somewhere around the 9000th run. |
| 06:16.08 | captain_proton | i don't suppose you have the data from that? :) |
| 06:16.26 | TimRiker | nope. ;-) |
| 06:17.34 | TimRiker | I suspect the segfault is the debug message trying to print the player name. |
| 06:17.44 | TimRiker | should add a catch for that someplace... |
| 06:18.06 | TimRiker | notice the two spaces tween Player and [0] |
| 06:19.10 | captain_proton | quite |
| 06:21.20 | TimRiker | testing with players on... |
| 06:23.33 | TimRiker | 14000 calls and still ok |
| 06:24.01 | TimRiker | 19000 |
| 06:24.54 | TimRiker | 25000 |
| 06:25.34 | TimRiker | this'll take forever. I get in the logs: |
| 06:25.45 | TimRiker | Player [3] accept() from 127.0.0.1:49012 on 10 |
| 06:25.45 | TimRiker | Player [3] shutdownAcceptClient: close(10) |
| 06:25.45 | TimRiker | addClient: no candidate player slot found |
| 06:26.09 | TimRiker | etc. |
| 06:26.21 | captain_proton | uff |
| 06:26.28 | TimRiker | so I'd say yes. have them upgrade to CVS. |
| 06:26.46 | captain_proton | alrighty |
| 06:27.24 | TimRiker | yeah, random data to a port is not a real test. carefully crafted packets would be much more interesting. ;-) |
| 06:29.25 | captain_proton | but then again, thats the easiest way to break most things |
| 06:29.53 | captain_proton | if this mythical shell exploit is real, it should give us a lot more information about where the bug actually lies |
| 06:31.19 | captain_proton | hm, i need pat to make it an announcement |
| 06:32.04 | captain_proton | ibot: message for Patlabor221 please make proton's new post on bzbb->servers: general discussion an announcement |
| 06:33.46 | captain_proton | hm, i wonder |
| 06:34.09 | captain_proton | a guy i know was pondering doing an audit of bzflag/bzfs/bzfls...maybe i can get him to do it after all |
| 06:35.37 | TimRiker | that might be interesting. |
| 06:39.50 | captain_proton | actually there are a few people i should contact, maybe one of them will be up to the task |
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| 07:01.44 | ak|ra | moin |
| 07:48.32 | captain_proton | ~rot13 bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl |
| 07:48.32 | | only outlaws will have privacy |
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| 09:02.59 | larsl | Any news on the 'shell exploit' ? |
| 09:04.06 | ak|ra | not as far as i know |
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| 09:33.39 | bomber_ | moin |
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| 10:28.37 | larsl | ~bzflist |
| 10:50.05 | ak|ra | where can i take a look in ~bzflist ? |
| 10:50.13 | ak|ra | or from which server it gets its list? |
| 10:50.14 | larsl | Take a look? |
| 10:50.39 | larsl | It's from the standard list server. The address is on a SF page, let me see if I can find it. |
| 10:52.09 | larsl | http://www.bzflag.org/list-server.txt |
| 10:53.15 | larsl | If you telnet to the address given in that page and type 'GET HTTP/1.1 /' followed by two newlines you'll get a list of all registered servers. |
| 10:53.55 | larsl | Or you could simply replace 'bzflist://' in the URL with 'http://' and load it in you are webpage. |
| 10:57.24 | larsl | ~literal bzflist |
| 10:58.52 | larsl | ~literal larsl |
| 10:58.52 | | larsl is <reply> larsl@users.sourceforge.net |
| 11:01.27 | ak|ra | neat .. thanx |
| 11:03.03 | larsl | 'you are webpage'? What was that supposed to mean? |
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| 12:24.38 | Chestal | captain_proton: already alive? |
| 12:29.28 | ak|ra | never :9 |
| 12:29.30 | ak|ra | hi chestal |
| 12:31.14 | Chestal | hoi |
| 12:41.17 | larsl | Chestal: Is it true that the CVS version isn't vulnerable to the DOS hack? |
| 12:41.25 | Chestal | larsl: I don't think it's true |
| 12:41.32 | Chestal | I wonder how proton came to that conclusion |
| 14:10.01 | captain_proton | Chestal: i went through it with tim & tested |
| 14:10.40 | captain_proton | CVS has some extra goodness-checking on the data sent through |
| 14:11.50 | Chestal | it can crash the server |
| 14:12.01 | Chestal | but I already got a fix, just need to fix my fix :-) |
| 14:12.16 | Chestal | main reason why bzdeath didn't work with g1 is that it closes the initial connection port early |
| 14:12.21 | Chestal | g1 does not like that |
| 14:12.49 | Chestal | I mainly added a check fr the length which the client sends |
| 14:13.09 | Chestal | if it is bigger than allowed, the player is dumped |
| 14:13.35 | Chestal | just thinking,whether it is good to add a checkfor unknown msg types |
| 14:14.13 | Chestal | grmpf, different g++ versions on compile host and bzfs host |
| 14:16.18 | Chestal | luckily, debian still comes with 2.95 additionally |
| 14:19.24 | captain_proton | we should strictly enforce all the initial handshaking |
| 14:19.58 | Chestal | we shoudl remove the initial handshaking ;-) |
| 14:20.18 | Chestal | well, ther server simply crashed bacuse the length was not checked |
| 14:20.31 | Chestal | so it coudl exceed the length of the buffer player[i].tcpmsg |
| 14:20.49 | Chestal | should not be possible to make a real exploit out of it |
| 14:20.57 | captain_proton | i thought length was checked on all messages |
| 14:21.00 | Chestal | although I cannot be sure there aren't other bugs in it elsewhere |
| 14:21.04 | captain_proton | but that could be after the handshake |
| 14:21.18 | Chestal | it's before the message is processed |
| 14:21.23 | Chestal | it read the 4 byte header |
| 14:21.32 | Chestal | the first 2 bytes are the length the client sends |
| 14:21.39 | Chestal | then it reads len-4 bytes into the buffer |
| 14:22.00 | captain_proton | but it still stands that cvs is much more resilient to bzdeath.c than g0 |
| 14:22.00 | Chestal | and there isn't a check, whether length is > size of the buffer |
| 14:22.05 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:22.24 | Chestal | but if you modify bzdeath only a little, it will crash g1 immediately, too |
| 14:22.49 | Chestal | hmm |
| 14:22.50 | Chestal | strange |
| 14:22.58 | Chestal | bzfs crashes on startup now |
| 14:23.01 | Chestal | waah |
| 14:23.20 | doughecka | lol |
| 14:24.05 | Chestal | I cannot even ldd it |
| 14:24.08 | captain_proton | there should be buffer length checks on *EVERYTHING* |
| 14:24.13 | captain_proton | ew |
| 14:24.37 | Chestal | ah, was some NFS / running process crazyness |
| 14:25.37 | Chestal | what do you think is best when the serevr receives an unknownpacket type? |
| 14:25.43 | Chestal | until now, it was just ignored |
| 14:25.55 | Chestal | I could print a debug message and/or remove the player |
| 14:26.08 | Chestal | the latter could be a problem if we try to extend the protocol in a backward compatible way |
| 14:31.41 | captain_proton | i think it should superkill |
| 14:31.53 | captain_proton | we'll break protocol after g2 anyway |
| 14:32.03 | Chestal | yes |
| 14:32.27 | Chestal | well, committed length check fix and msg type fix, the latter does only print a warning for now |
| 14:32.42 | captain_proton | length check is most important |
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| 14:33.41 | doughecka | hey tim |
| 14:33.46 | Chestal | grab the code and try to crash it, please :-) |
| 14:34.08 | Chestal | I haven't looked at any other places, probably it's still vulnerable by other attacks |
| 14:37.39 | Chestal | hi Tim |
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| 15:44.52 | Jormungandr | hrm. can you set up usb links for serial ptys between linux machines, and use something like minicom to get a shell on the other machine? |
| 15:45.56 | prot-work | with a usb-serial converter on each end |
| 15:46.05 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 15:46.11 | Jormungandr | that might work. |
| 15:46.41 | Jormungandr | since I have 2 servers, and if I reboot one and the network doesn't come back up, I can use the serial to check it out. |
| 15:49.46 | prot-work | or you could get a tiny little serial switch |
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| 15:51.22 | ak|ra_ | hi guys |
| 15:51.46 | prot-work | hiya ak|ra_ |
| 15:52.18 | ak|ra_ | Chestal: hiho |
| 15:52.46 | ak|ra_ | Chestal: the other akira is me too, but i need my ip and the dyndns is gone somehow |
| 15:52.55 | Jormungandr | that's probably a better idea. I have an old livingston PM 2ER :) |
| 15:53.11 | Jormungandr | I pay by the rack unit though, and that'd cost me a bunch to rack. :) |
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| 15:54.09 | doughecka | greetings |
| 15:54.13 | Jormungandr | hi doug |
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| 15:54.34 | Jormungandr | 'lo patlabor221 |
| 15:54.41 | patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:54.56 | doughecka | :) |
| 15:55.04 | Jormungandr | just trying to get motivated at work. :) |
| 15:55.17 | patlabor221 | tell me bout it |
| 15:55.18 | doughecka | something is keeping me from the soundcard |
| 15:55.35 | Jormungandr | the volume controls? ;) |
| 15:55.44 | ak|ra | thnxchestal |
| 15:56.08 | doughecka | aha, a reboot fixed it |
| 15:56.08 | doughecka | no |
| 15:56.26 | doughecka | the software complained saying something is using the card |
| 15:56.26 | patlabor221 | cap, I have made you an admin |
| 15:57.03 | patlabor221 | oooo tech support, who gets the money? |
| 15:58.24 | Jormungandr | gimme da cash! |
| 15:58.29 | ak|ra_ | damnit |
| 15:58.32 | Jormungandr | name that movie :) |
| 15:58.45 | patlabor221 | fifth element |
| 15:58.48 | Jormungandr | w00 |
| 15:58.51 | patlabor221 | "i like your hat" |
| 15:58.55 | Jormungandr | hahahaha |
| 15:59.00 | Jormungandr | that's one of my favorite movies. |
| 15:59.07 | patlabor221 | agreed |
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| 15:59.30 | prot-work | patlabor221: whoever takes the job :) |
| 15:59.46 | prot-work | patlabor221: i figured since so many people come here for support we might as well make a pretty penny offa it |
| 15:59.53 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 16:00.02 | patlabor221 | it seems fiber made your post an anouncement |
| 16:00.12 | prot-work | indeed |
| 16:00.13 | patlabor221 | doug, you are the one asking for support! |
| 16:00.19 | doughecka | :P |
| 16:00.26 | patlabor221 | I also changed your access level so you can do stuff like that now |
| 16:00.30 | patlabor221 | and a bit more. |
| 16:00.32 | prot-work | patlabor221: sexy |
| 16:00.43 | Jormungandr | I'm not going to start the server back up until I can change the routing to the new gateway. |
| 16:00.53 | patlabor221 | just use your powers for good, and don't change anything in the general setup :) |
| 16:00.55 | Jormungandr | and then I'll update to newest cvs |
| 16:01.07 | patlabor221 | your rank didn't change, but you can now set it yourself |
| 16:01.10 | prot-work | patlabor221: *gasp* me? do something bad? never! |
| 16:01.14 | Jormungandr | he |
| 16:01.15 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 16:01.18 | patlabor221 | you now have a happy new link at the botom of the forum |
| 16:01.28 | patlabor221 | well you wouldn't do any bad things I wouldn't do :) |
| 16:01.35 | patlabor221 | good is relitive. |
| 16:01.49 | Chestal | pat: was is you who once wrote a patch for bzfs which added a more fine grain authentication system? |
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| 16:02.20 | prot-work | Chestal: i think that was me |
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| 16:02.29 | patlabor221 | I started making it chestal, it is not completed |
| 16:02.33 | patlabor221 | but it was basicly working |
| 16:02.39 | prot-work | err |
| 16:03.01 | prot-work | i wrote some general irc-like admin privledge (/op, etc) which as mostly rejected |
| 16:03.19 | Jormungandr | I'd prefer something like that |
| 16:03.30 | patlabor221 | I added nickserv and chanserv type services |
| 16:03.41 | patlabor221 | and you could set each admin function as a permisions |
| 16:03.47 | patlabor221 | on a per user basis |
| 16:04.02 | prot-work | that'd be sexy |
| 16:04.27 | Jormungandr | servers really do become communities after a while. |
| 16:04.49 | Chestal | I basically want to get rid of the sahred admin password |
| 16:04.51 | Jormungandr | and the irc sort of admin privs would be ideal. |
| 16:04.56 | Chestal | I do not really dare to add more admins because of that |
| 16:04.58 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 16:05.05 | Jormungandr | know the feeling. |
| 16:05.34 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:05.35 | Chestal | when I started not giving otu the password anymore,I was still hoping that 1.9/2.0 would come along and solve my probvlems :-) |
| 16:06.55 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:06.58 | Chestal | you can update windows? |
| 16:07.11 | doughecka | Chestal: only every month |
| 16:07.18 | doughecka | er, make that week |
| 16:07.22 | prot-work | Chestal: yeah, you go to this scary website that sends all your personal info to microsoft and it gives you the security fixes |
| 16:07.43 | Chestal | prot-work: last time I tried that, W2k went into an infinite booting loop |
| 16:07.54 | prot-work | hehe |
| 16:08.15 | Chestal | oh my |
| 16:08.33 | Jormungandr | lucky you </tongue-in-cheek> |
| 16:08.38 | doughecka | no 2000 server? |
| 16:08.49 | prot-work | so far i've reinstalled 3 of them |
| 16:08.49 | prot-work | doughecka: |
| 16:08.52 | prot-work | doughecka: no |
| 16:08.56 | prot-work | win2k3 server |
| 16:09.03 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:09.15 | doughecka | setup a domain and install off the server :P |
| 16:09.38 | prot-work | doughecka: i would, but each machine has fairly custom hardware |
| 16:09.48 | doughecka | ah |
| 16:09.51 | prot-work | there are 2 groups of 2 that are the same in terms of set up |
| 16:09.58 | prot-work | and everything else is unique |
| 16:09.59 | patlabor221 | chestal, that's basicly what I was doing, realy once you had an admin user in the database you didn't need a global admin password at all |
| 16:10.06 | ak|ra_ | prot-work: are they quiete? :) |
| 16:10.22 | doughecka | hmm, interesting |
| 16:10.25 | patlabor221 | I should continue to work on it |
| 16:10.26 | prot-work | quiete? |
| 16:10.38 | doughecka | its french |
| 16:10.44 | patlabor221 | chestal, is that kind of what you are looking for? |
| 16:12.34 | doughecka | finkployd |
| 16:12.46 | Chestal | patlabor: I think so |
| 16:13.19 | Chestal | patlabor: I would like to be able to revoke privileges by user |
| 16:13.35 | prot-work | time for the horror that is installing sp3 |
| 16:13.45 | Chestal | patlabor: and not have everyone to use a new password when the old one has been leaked out |
| 16:13.46 | doughecka | that the last one? |
| 16:13.52 | prot-work | hee, this is one of their goofy early albums |
| 16:14.02 | doughecka | +???security updates |
| 16:14.19 | prot-work | doughecka: no, i'd estimate i'm about 20% done updating this machine |
| 16:14.37 | doughecka | eww |
| 16:14.57 | prot-work | hmm |
| 16:15.10 | prot-work | one of my coworkers just used the word "shwaggier" |
| 16:17.57 | patlabor221 | chestal, let me find the wiki page with our spec, and you can add any comments you like |
| 16:17.58 | prot-work | arg |
| 16:18.13 | prot-work | people who use the handicap button because they're too damn lazy to open a door piss me off |
| 16:18.19 | patlabor221 | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/adminfunctions?action=highlight&value=AdminFunctions |
| 16:19.04 | ak|ra | prot-work: :)) |
| 16:19.09 | patlabor221 | tho this system makes you give out permisions on a per user basis ( I do need to do groups). so it's not like a revoke thing. by default they have nothing. |
| 16:19.28 | patlabor221 | actualy here is the URL |
| 16:19.28 | patlabor221 | http://www.bzflag.org/wiki/AdminFunctions |
| 16:21.04 | prot-work | ok, who votes for rewriting bzfs in python? |
| 16:21.10 | Jormungandr | eek! |
| 16:21.14 | prot-work | =D |
| 16:21.14 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:21.26 | prot-work | it probably would take all of two weeks |
| 16:22.09 | patlabor221 | does that include teaching me python? |
| 16:22.19 | Chestal | pat: I guess I'd like an easy way to set some default 'admin rights' for a user |
| 16:22.31 | Chestal | pat:would be too much hassle to allow every possible command manually |
| 16:22.52 | Jormungandr | there aren't that many commands, really. |
| 16:23.31 | Chestal | hm,actualyl I see you defined some right groups already |
| 16:23.36 | prot-work | patlabor221: no, maybe another week for that |
| 16:23.55 | prot-work | 3 days if you read reasonably quickly |
| 16:24.42 | Chestal | must variables be declared before you use them in python? |
| 16:24.47 | prot-work | no |
| 16:24.53 | Chestal | bah |
| 16:25.01 | prot-work | well i think they have to be assigned before you can read |
| 16:25.03 | Chestal | then I disliek the language by heart |
| 16:25.15 | prot-work | but they don't need static declarations |
| 16:25.22 | Chestal | so, it's an untyped language? |
| 16:25.31 | prot-work | dynamically typed |
| 16:25.58 | Chestal | don't liek that either |
| 16:26.04 | Chestal | it has its pros |
| 16:26.09 | Chestal | but IMHO the cons outweigh them |
| 16:26.41 | prot-work | its got OO done right, plus its a surprisingly robust language considering how well it works as a RAD tool |
| 16:27.22 | Chestal | Iguess I would prefer it over most other script languages |
| 16:28.08 | Chestal | a friend of mine is all into pike |
| 16:29.00 | prot-work | this album is so goofy compared with things like darkside or the wall |
| 16:29.02 | prot-work | =) |
| 16:29.13 | prot-work | complete with kazoos |
| 16:31.06 | ak|ra | how about ruby? |
| 16:31.39 | patlabor221 | chestal yes, you define a "default" user, and then every user gets those permisions by default |
| 16:31.54 | patlabor221 | I am going to change it to allow groups |
| 16:32.10 | patlabor221 | so there will be a default group, a "registerd" group, and then admin defined groups |
| 16:32.32 | patlabor221 | then if you wanted to you could add explcid allow or deny access per user. |
| 16:32.59 | patlabor221 | how bout VB?:) |
| 16:33.18 | Chestal | most importantly, I'd need a player and an admin group with the privileges as they're now |
| 16:33.32 | ak|ra | only languages are allowed one want at least think about :) |
| 16:34.15 | patlabor221 | the default perms are what players have now |
| 16:34.27 | patlabor221 | if if you don't define any groups then you have to use the admin password |
| 16:34.35 | patlabor221 | I could add a default admin group easaly |
| 16:34.52 | patlabor221 | it would be the "super-admin" group |
| 16:35.04 | patlabor221 | do you think this is something that could be checked in? |
| 16:35.08 | Jormungandr | back a bit later. going to chance a reboot. cross fingers. |
| 16:35.17 | Chestal | pat: yes, maybe |
| 16:35.35 | Chestal | pat: you can change access levels with a comamnd, too, yes? |
| 16:35.47 | patlabor221 | if the server dosn't define database files then it works just like BZFS does now |
| 16:35.57 | Chestal | paT: so I'd need at least 3 levels of privileges. player / cop / superadmin or something |
| 16:35.59 | patlabor221 | yes there are admin commands to give people difrent access levels |
| 16:36.09 | patlabor221 | and to set groups and stuff |
| 16:36.14 | Chestal | and it's allread from / written to a file? |
| 16:36.24 | Chestal | plaintext? |
| 16:36.29 | ak|ra | what are you planning? |
| 16:36.43 | patlabor221 | there is a database class, right now it just keeps it in mem, but it has a serialisation fucntions |
| 16:37.10 | patlabor221 | my plan was if you didn't spec file names then it would just keep it in mem |
| 16:37.34 | Chestal | hmm, ok, but usually, people would what it to be persistent |
| 16:37.39 | Chestal | at least I would want that |
| 16:38.08 | Chestal | it's jsut that I want to have as many cops/admins on my server as possible |
| 16:38.29 | ak|ra | so, now comes the interesting part ... |
| 16:38.29 | Chestal | but I want to have control over who is allowed to do it |
| 16:38.35 | ak|ra | will it segfault or not :) |
| 16:38.36 | patlabor221 | I was trying to figure out a way to have teh databases shared |
| 16:38.53 | prot-work | you could store it all in a mysql database! |
| 16:38.55 | Chestal | with plaintext password authentication, sharing is prblematic |
| 16:38.59 | patlabor221 | I thought about that |
| 16:39.04 | prot-work | because everyone who wants to run a bz server runs mysql |
| 16:39.13 | Chestal | for my needs, a simple plaintext file would be best Ithink |
| 16:39.20 | Chestal | ehm |
| 16:41.37 | patlabor221 | and would be the easyest to implement |
| 16:41.49 | doughecka | both? |
| 16:44.19 | Chestal | speedkick works fine for me |
| 16:44.24 | Chestal | but I am not using jumping and flags |
| 16:44.27 | patlabor221 | dosn't for some others |
| 16:44.31 | patlabor221 | who are |
| 16:44.47 | patlabor221 | that's why I'm just making the percentage setable |
| 16:44.49 | Chestal | actually, I have high speed flags on my ffa server |
| 16:44.50 | patlabor221 | no other changes |
| 16:44.54 | Chestal | butit's not very well frequented |
| 16:45.10 | patlabor221 | it's going to default to the same value |
| 16:45.32 | patlabor221 | -speedtol |
| 16:47.42 | prot-work | ohh man |
| 16:47.51 | prot-work | i love working with a system that has an 8x12 screen |
| 16:50.32 | patlabor221 | anyone know if there is a windows editor for the .6s man files? |
| 16:50.44 | patlabor221 | makes it realy hard for us to update the docs |
| 16:51.29 | JBDiGriz | I use emacs to edit man pages |
| 16:51.32 | prot-work | man files are written in nroff (plain text) |
| 16:52.08 | JBDiGriz | Last night michaelh was asking about a windows editor for man pages |
| 16:52.12 | patlabor221 | yes but there are a lot of funky controll characters |
| 16:52.30 | patlabor221 | I'll just hope I don't jack it then :) |
| 16:52.48 | JBDiGriz | All characters are ascii in the man pages |
| 16:53.18 | *** topic/#bzflag by TimRiker -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) || upgrade bzfs servers to CVS || 1.7g2 is coming RSN |
| 16:53.27 | prot-work | we might consider switching to pod |
| 16:53.31 | JBDiGriz | There's the backslash "\" which is used to introduce inline commands |
| 16:53.38 | doughecka | haha |
| 16:53.39 | patlabor221 | yes that's what I mean |
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| 17:00.27 | patlabor221 | there manpages updated |
| 17:01.09 | prot-work | yay for destroying old technet cds and yoinking the binder |
| 17:08.11 | ak|ra | yeah |
| 17:08.19 | ak|ra | let it feel the pain |
| 17:08.24 | david_v | lol |
| 17:08.30 | ak|ra | nail it on the wal |
| 17:08.32 | ak|ra | nail it on the wall |
| 17:08.36 | prot-work | yay |
| 17:08.42 | prot-work | time to reinstall windows on another machine! |
| 17:08.48 | david_v | prot-work: why Windows ;) |
| 17:09.00 | ak|ra | prot-work: dd if=/windows of=/dev/null |
| 17:09.05 | prot-work | david_v: because these machines need to be used by the general public |
| 17:09.09 | patlabor221 | cus that's what all schools run on. |
| 17:09.15 | david_v | ak|ra: that doesn't remove it, sadly :) |
| 17:09.34 | david_v | well, some schools have switched to Linux in bigger or smaller scale |
| 17:09.35 | prot-work | patlabor221: well, no |
| 17:09.45 | JBDiGriz | My kids school uses macs, many others are using Linux |
| 17:09.49 | prot-work | almost all of the CS stuff is various forms of unix/linux |
| 17:09.55 | patlabor221 | ok well yes |
| 17:10.07 | patlabor221 | but look at what most of the student body uses, was my point. |
| 17:10.09 | prot-work | but this building (and specifically the areas we can rent out to conferences) are windows |
| 17:10.17 | david_v | ak|ra: did you mean dd if=/dev/null of=/windows ;) |
| 17:10.26 | prot-work | even that wouldn't work |
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| 17:10.31 | prot-work | because /dev/null doesn't supply data |
| 17:10.35 | JBDiGriz | That would run faster, but wouldn't do anything better |
| 17:10.37 | david_v | prot-work: /dev/zero |
| 17:10.38 | prot-work | you'd need /dev/zero or somesuch |
| 17:10.40 | david_v | :) |
| 17:10.47 | prot-work | oooh |
| 17:10.57 | prot-work | 3% through formatting the 80g disk here |
| 17:10.57 | JBDiGriz | /dev/null provides EOF, it's very useful! |
| 17:11.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:11.37 | JBDiGriz | How many machines do you need to install? |
| 17:11.38 | larsl | I assume RSN expands to Real Soon Now? |
| 17:12.14 | doughecka | larsl: in theary |
| 17:12.19 | doughecka | thery |
| 17:12.21 | doughecka | whatever |
| 17:12.23 | david_v | hehe |
| 17:12.55 | larsl | Has anyone actually seen the famous 'shell exploit' yet? |
| 17:13.10 | david_v | don't think so? |
| 17:13.22 | prot-work | larsl: indeed |
| 17:13.32 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: lesee...5 more to reinstall |
| 17:14.49 | ak|ra | david_v: nope, what you mean is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/windows |
| 17:15.18 | ak|ra | david_v: my little command does nothing but threat windows .. :) |
| 17:15.25 | doughecka | cat /dev/zero > /dev/windows |
| 17:15.26 | doughecka | :P: |
| 17:15.38 | david_v | ak|ra: you typed /windows first, but i did not forget that. so i thought, what if you do ln -s /dev/windows /windows :P |
| 17:15.52 | david_v | ak|ra: or /dev/hdxy |
| 17:16.36 | patlabor221 | wow this is a lot easyer with real groups |
| 17:16.40 | david_v | doughecka: i think dd might be more effective, on the other hand i've never actually tried this particular solution ;) |
| 17:16.44 | ak|ra | ah, you discussed this already a step higher |
| 17:16.51 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:17.03 | JBDiGriz | I know M$ is buying a SCO license, but I still don't like the idea of a /dev/windows |
| 17:17.06 | ak|ra | prot-work: :) |
| 17:17.25 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:17.32 | david_v | JBDiGriz: hehe ;) |
| 17:17.51 | david_v | that's weird BTW, should ms be taking over UNIX, that they were originally against? :) |
| 17:17.55 | doughecka | if I cat /dev/zero I get nothin |
| 17:18.06 | david_v | remember wehavethewayout.com and similar... "inflexible UNIX systems", bla bla :) |
| 17:18.27 | david_v | doughecka: i bet? :) |
| 17:18.55 | prot-work | david_v: they are trying to show that "they abide by copyright while the linux knaves to not"\ |
| 17:18.58 | larsl | MS buying SCO license? |
| 17:18.59 | larsl | What? |
| 17:18.59 | prot-work | s/to/do/ |
| 17:19.01 | patlabor221 | hmmm case senitive username registration? or not? |
| 17:19.07 | doughecka | I would have thought it would be all zeros |
| 17:19.17 | prot-work | doughecka: ascii 0 != 0 |
| 17:19.22 | david_v | doughecka: works if you do cat /dev/zero > filename (but watch out it fills up QUICK :) |
| 17:19.22 | doughecka | patlabor221: no |
| 17:19.27 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:19.29 | patlabor221 | why? |
| 17:19.46 | patlabor221 | anyone have a real oponion? |
| 17:20.03 | doughecka | if I registers pAtlabor221... |
| 17:20.09 | prot-work | patlabor221: i'd say no |
| 17:20.20 | patlabor221 | so non case sensitve? |
| 17:20.21 | david_v | sounds like no good idea |
| 17:20.24 | patlabor221 | that's what I like |
| 17:20.36 | david_v | non case sensitive or people would get nuts :) |
| 17:20.47 | patlabor221 | keen |
| 17:20.54 | prot-work | sweeet |
| 17:20.57 | prot-work | i think i can do it |
| 17:21.11 | david_v | get nuts? :) |
| 17:21.33 | ak|ra | patlabor221: i like case sensitive :) |
| 17:21.41 | ak|ra | patlabor221: what are you doing at all? |
| 17:21.42 | patlabor221 | yes but your wierd :) |
| 17:21.48 | doughecka | hear hear |
| 17:22.06 | ak|ra | i am not :( |
| 17:22.07 | patlabor221 | I am making bzfs have nickserv and chanserv type services |
| 17:22.08 | david_v | patlabor221: why did you ask? ;) |
| 17:22.16 | JBDiGriz | doughecka: try "cat -ev /dev/zero" but I would suggest piping to a pager! |
| 17:22.27 | patlabor221 | cus I need to know if I store all nicks in upercase or not |
| 17:22.28 | doughecka | hehhehe |
| 17:22.29 | ak|ra | patlabor221: for registration in bzflag .. in the game? |
| 17:22.33 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:22.36 | ak|ra | so no know could be akira? |
| 17:22.47 | patlabor221 | they would have to identify |
| 17:23.01 | ak|ra | thaaaaaats nice |
| 17:23.04 | patlabor221 | and there is a server option to auto kick if a user dosn't idenify after X min |
| 17:23.16 | ak|ra | noncase sensitive |
| 17:23.16 | doughecka | can there be an auto sign in? |
| 17:23.18 | patlabor221 | and it allows the server admin to give each person specific permisions. |
| 17:23.27 | patlabor221 | no, this is a server only change |
| 17:23.31 | patlabor221 | no auto sign in |
| 17:23.33 | larsl | patlabor221: How do you do that? Does is use a central nick server, or do you have to register on every server? |
| 17:23.35 | patlabor221 | tho somone could add that |
| 17:23.52 | ak|ra | i dont like AkIrA and akirA and some other evils .. |
| 17:23.53 | patlabor221 | this implimination will just use a file local to the server |
| 17:24.03 | patlabor221 | later I can make it use a centeral database |
| 17:24.14 | patlabor221 | probably same as the karma system database |
| 17:24.18 | ak|ra | so .. non casesensitive |
| 17:24.20 | larsl | Local file is probably enough. |
| 17:24.21 | patlabor221 | realy karma would just be another record here |
| 17:24.21 | larsl | Karma? |
| 17:24.28 | patlabor221 | karma |
| 17:24.32 | ak|ra | karma |
| 17:24.39 | ak|ra | i have good karma :) |
| 17:24.39 | doughecka | hows your karma? |
| 17:24.48 | prot-work | damn thats sexy |
| 17:24.56 | doughecka | My karma ran over your dogma |
| 17:25.00 | ak|ra | larsl: karma is kindo of creditsystem |
| 17:25.01 | patlabor221 | why yes, cap I am, I have been working out :) |
| 17:25.48 | ak|ra | patlabor221: with your big fantastic looking trainer? |
| 17:25.52 | ak|ra | oh . maaaan :) |
| 17:26.04 | patlabor221 | yeah she's prety hot too. |
| 17:26.06 | larsl | ~forget towers |
| 17:26.06 | | i forgot towers, larsl |
| 17:26.10 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 17:26.34 | larsl | ~towers is <reply> glasstowers.homelinux.net is down for upgrades. |
| 17:26.35 | | okay, larsl |
| 17:26.37 | ak|ra | patlabor221: but she was formerly a russian sportsgirl/man |
| 17:26.44 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 17:26.44 | | glasstowers.homelinux.net is down for upgrades. |
| 17:26.47 | prot-work | hahaha |
| 17:26.52 | patlabor221 | no, shes irish |
| 17:27.01 | ak|ra | he one with the hairs on the tooth and .. :) |
| 17:27.08 | patlabor221 | ewwww |
| 17:27.19 | ak|ra | irish and called with name mc ... |
| 17:27.28 | ak|ra | of coz you worked out .. in the bar next door |
| 17:27.31 | patlabor221 | what is the best way to make a string uper case that is happy on all platforms? |
| 17:27.33 | ak|ra | evil girl |
| 17:27.48 | prot-work | patlabor221: go through char by char and test/change |
| 17:27.57 | ak|ra | patlabor221: what language? |
| 17:28.02 | patlabor221 | C++ |
| 17:28.40 | patlabor221 | just call make a call to toupper for each char like we did for LGE? |
| 17:28.44 | ak|ra | toupper |
| 17:28.56 | larsl | transform (s.begin(), s.end(), s.begin(), toupper); |
| 17:29.03 | ak|ra | #include <cctype> |
| 17:29.12 | patlabor221 | why don't they have strupper on all plats :? |
| 17:29.31 | ak|ra | do you have std::strings? |
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| 17:29.35 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:29.38 | greg1 | Hi |
| 17:30.02 | patlabor221 | is there a method in std::string? |
| 17:30.03 | ak|ra | for_each |
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| 17:30.25 | ak|ra | for_each(string.begin(), string.end(), toupper); |
| 17:30.49 | larsl | ak|ra: Would that transform each character? Doesn't toupper just return a new character? |
| 17:30.51 | patlabor221 | just seems like this would be a common thing that was done, and they would have a method |
| 17:31.20 | ak|ra | larsl: mmmhhh .. right |
| 17:31.31 | ak|ra | patlabor221: build a functionobject :) |
| 17:31.45 | patlabor221 | the point is I shouldn't have to build anything :) |
| 17:31.51 | patlabor221 | on winders I could all strupper |
| 17:31.54 | patlabor221 | and be done with it |
| 17:31.59 | larsl | transform (s.begin(), s.end(), s.begin(), toupper); |
| 17:32.03 | larsl | Not that complicated. =) |
| 17:32.20 | ak|ra | or so |
| 17:32.30 | ak|ra | never used transform .. |
| 17:32.32 | patlabor221 | yeah I'm puting that into a func |
| 17:32.38 | patlabor221 | is it on all plats? |
| 17:32.48 | ak|ra | patlabor221: its standard c++ |
| 17:32.52 | larsl | Should be. |
| 17:33.01 | ak|ra | was it in <functional> ? |
| 17:33.06 | ak|ra | or in <algorithm>? |
| 17:33.12 | larsl | std::transform is in <algorithm>. |
| 17:34.08 | patlabor221 | I just put it in makeuppr |
| 17:34.41 | ak|ra | would it work with transform(&s[0], &s[end], &s[0], toupper); too ? |
| 17:34.46 | larsl | Does anyone have the version of bzdeath that Chestal 'fixed' to work with previous CVS? I'd like to test it against my new bzfs, just to be sure. =) |
| 17:35.19 | larsl | ak|ra: Assuming that string::iterator is a char pointer, I guess. |
| 17:35.29 | ak|ra | larsl: same thought here |
| 17:35.30 | ak|ra | lets se |
| 17:35.45 | larsl | Might be platform dependant. |
| 17:37.35 | larsl | The people in #c++ say that it doesn't have to be a char*. |
| 17:40.44 | ak|ra | here it works with second version |
| 17:40.57 | ak|ra | even if it should be slower then first version |
| 17:41.58 | doughecka | hmm |
| 17:42.07 | doughecka | cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 17:42.23 | prot-work | one popular thing is to biuld an std::string on top of wchar |
| 17:42.34 | larsl | basic_string<wchar> ? |
| 17:42.46 | prot-work | sortof, yeah |
| 17:42.52 | prot-work | i think the exact syntax is a bit funkier |
| 17:43.09 | ak|ra | it works all |
| 17:43.23 | prot-work | ooo |
| 17:43.24 | ak|ra | const char* foo= "uUthEre"; |
| 17:43.26 | prot-work | 95% formatted |
| 17:44.10 | ak|ra | std::transform(&foo[0], &foo[10], s.begin(), ::toupper); |
| 17:44.12 | ak|ra | works |
| 17:44.24 | ak|ra | ok, the 10 was from another example |
| 17:44.38 | prot-work | functors are strange things :) |
| 17:45.01 | ak|ra | sort of yes :) |
| 17:45.11 | larsl | I'd like to learn a functional language... I've only coded C and C++-style languages. |
| 17:45.25 | ak|ra | but its really crazy this native char would work :)) |
| 17:45.27 | prot-work | larsl: standard ML is gorgeous |
| 17:45.29 | ak|ra | larsl: me too :) |
| 17:45.29 | larsl | Haskell looks fun. =) |
| 17:45.47 | ak|ra | prot-work: how about caml? |
| 17:46.27 | ak|ra | i took a look at it some days before while rewriting their gui_protocol.c demo-c-api stuff |
| 17:46.39 | ak|ra | from mldonkey ... |
| 17:46.56 | ak|ra | strange and funny structs like |
| 17:47.00 | ak|ra | match foo with |
| 17:47.06 | ak|ra | |option1 |
| 17:47.11 | ak|ra | |option2 |
| 17:47.19 | ak|ra | |option3 -> thisandthat |
| 17:47.21 | ak|ra | :) |
| 17:47.26 | larsl | Does anyone else think that it would be a good idea to be able to give bzfs several -srvmsg and -admsg options (for multiline messages) ? |
| 17:47.39 | patlabor221 | hmmm store passwords in the same file as access permisions, or somewhere else? |
| 17:47.56 | prot-work | ak|ra: looks similar to sml's specific/general functions |
| 17:48.07 | prot-work | larsl: i'd rather just make it recognize \n |
| 17:48.16 | larsl | prot-work: That would work too. |
| 17:48.23 | ak|ra | prot-work: i only took a short look at caml and that was it with my ml experience |
| 17:49.15 | ak|ra | oh, at 8 already .. heading home |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | how do these sound for normal groups? |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | // groups |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | //none// no rights, just play |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | //superAdmin// all permisions |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | //normalPlayer// ghost, idle, lag, listPerms, flagHistory ( this is the normal default ) |
| 18:00.44 | patlabor221 | //refAdmin// player + showOthers, flagUp, flagShow, lagWarn, Countdown, endGame, playerList, info |
| 18:00.46 | patlabor221 | //copAdmin// ref + Kick, ban, banlist, unban, removePerms, setPerms |
| 18:00.48 | patlabor221 | //trustedAdmin// copAdmin + setAll |
| 18:00.50 | patlabor221 | // |
| 18:01.51 | prot-work | setAll? |
| 18:02.18 | larsl | pause? |
| 18:02.24 | patlabor221 | it's the one that lets you set some one elses removePerms, setPerms |
| 18:02.41 | patlabor221 | prevents an admin from making other admins |
| 18:02.51 | patlabor221 | pause is a client thing |
| 18:02.55 | patlabor221 | no a server permision |
| 18:02.56 | larsl | Ah. |
| 18:03.12 | patlabor221 | basicly it's just the server '/' commands |
| 18:03.21 | larsl | What's copAdmin? |
| 18:03.26 | patlabor221 | a group |
| 18:04.12 | patlabor221 | basicly somone who can do everything but set others "set and remove" permisions |
| 18:04.56 | patlabor221 | but these are just defaults, the server owner can add, or change any group |
| 18:05.05 | larsl | Sounds really neat. |
| 18:05.15 | patlabor221 | well cops can't shut down the server or anything like that by default |
| 18:05.26 | Chestal | set and remove permissons? |
| 18:05.32 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:05.37 | Chestal | what does that mean? |
| 18:05.44 | patlabor221 | but they can only set and remove permsions that they have |
| 18:06.01 | patlabor221 | like a cop could give somone else countdown permisions |
| 18:06.20 | patlabor221 | thats how you give more or less access in game. |
| 18:06.37 | Chestal | I think I woudl want to have that restricted to myself only |
| 18:06.52 | patlabor221 | you have that option |
| 18:07.02 | patlabor221 | you could explicidly deny all groups that. |
| 18:07.08 | patlabor221 | excep you |
| 18:07.40 | Chestal | passwords can go into the same file IMHO |
| 18:07.45 | Chestal | mabye rot13 them or something :-) |
| 18:07.56 | patlabor221 | I'm thowing them in a seperate file for now |
| 18:08.08 | patlabor221 | will make it easyer to make it use a centeral database later. |
| 18:08.43 | prot-work | damn |
| 18:08.50 | prot-work | this stuff gets spicier as it sits |
| 18:08.53 | prot-work | by a lot |
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| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | here is the list of the current perms |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | idleStats = 0, |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | lagStats, |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | flagMod, |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | flagHistory, |
| 18:09.11 | patlabor221 | lagwarn, |
| 18:09.13 | patlabor221 | kick, |
| 18:09.15 | patlabor221 | ban, |
| 18:09.17 | patlabor221 | banlist, |
| 18:09.19 | patlabor221 | unban, |
| 18:09.21 | patlabor221 | countdown, |
| 18:09.23 | patlabor221 | endGame, |
| 18:09.25 | patlabor221 | shutdownServer, |
| 18:09.27 | patlabor221 | superKill, |
| 18:09.29 | patlabor221 | playerList, |
| 18:09.31 | patlabor221 | info, |
| 18:09.33 | patlabor221 | ghost, |
| 18:09.35 | patlabor221 | listPerms, |
| 18:09.37 | patlabor221 | showOthers, |
| 18:09.39 | patlabor221 | removePerms, |
| 18:09.41 | patlabor221 | setPerms, |
| 18:09.43 | patlabor221 | setAll, |
| 18:10.05 | larsl | What's ghost? |
| 18:10.14 | Chestal | info? |
| 18:10.17 | patlabor221 | the same as ghost here |
| 18:10.39 | patlabor221 | info is like playerinfo but just for one user |
| 18:11.03 | patlabor221 | like /info thelamecheater |
| 18:11.24 | Chestal | does listperms only list my own permissons or fr other players, too? |
| 18:11.49 | patlabor221 | it lists just yours |
| 18:11.55 | patlabor221 | showOthers lists everyones |
| 18:12.13 | patlabor221 | tho the command will probably be /listperms all |
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| 18:23.22 | patlabor221 | I wish there was a way to change callsigns while loged in. |
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| 18:24.25 | ak|ra | re |
| 18:26.54 | patlabor221 | I think I'm just going to make 2 groups by defalut |
| 18:27.02 | patlabor221 | the default group, and the supper admin group |
| 18:27.34 | Chestal | not a 'cop' group? |
| 18:27.46 | Chestal | which are basically able to do kick/bans/flag resets? |
| 18:27.49 | patlabor221 | no, I will leave that up to the server operatior |
| 18:28.01 | Chestal | whatever :-) |
| 18:28.01 | prot-work | defalut! |
| 18:28.07 | patlabor221 | you can add as many groups as you want |
| 18:28.20 | larsl | Mmm, supper admin. |
| 18:28.21 | patlabor221 | I just will make 2 of the automaticly if they are not defined in the groups file |
| 18:28.37 | patlabor221 | or if the groups file does not exist. |
| 18:30.11 | patlabor221 | wow after this I realy wish you could put strings as input to a switch statement :) |
| 18:31.11 | Chestal | use a string->int map and switch on the int :-) |
| 18:31.37 | patlabor221 | or just this big ass if else to get it into the enumeration :) |
| 18:32.45 | prot-work | hahaha |
| 18:32.50 | Chestal | hmm, I'm running out of CDRs again |
| 18:33.04 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 18:33.06 | patlabor221 | callsigns can have spaces can't they? |
| 18:33.13 | ak|ra | und du hast noch nich mal deine wunschliste durchgegeben .) |
| 18:33.17 | Chestal | pat: they can |
| 18:33.30 | Chestal | I'd liek to put more restrictions on callsigns |
| 18:33.37 | Chestal | I think they can even begin with a space now |
| 18:33.38 | patlabor221 | hmm what to use in the password file for a deliminator |
| 18:33.47 | larsl | Especially spaces in the start r beginning. |
| 18:34.05 | Chestal | hmm, '\0'? :-) |
| 18:34.20 | patlabor221 | could make it binary |
| 18:34.27 | Chestal | yes, would make it harder to edit |
| 18:34.39 | patlabor221 | is that a good thing, or a bad thing? |
| 18:35.13 | Chestal | one could use tab but I don't really liek that either |
| 18:35.34 | prot-work | guess what time it is! |
| 18:35.39 | prot-work | windows update time! |
| 18:35.39 | patlabor221 | hmmm I think I need a permision to allow someone to set others passwords |
| 18:35.42 | patlabor221 | for a reset |
| 18:35.46 | larsl | 18:35 GMT? |
| 18:37.22 | patlabor221 | well we can pick a character and I can just make the nick registrar say you can't use that character in a callsign and have it registerd |
| 18:37.44 | patlabor221 | and you have to be registerd to get anything other then default permisions. |
| 18:38.03 | Chestal | or escape it when you write it to the file, but that would mean more work for you |
| 18:38.28 | Chestal | do you strip leading the leading '@'? |
| 18:39.08 | patlabor221 | I will when I get to that part :) |
| 18:39.44 | patlabor221 | I'll use : |
| 18:39.59 | patlabor221 | cus realy I can't see anyone who would legitmaly use a : in a name |
| 18:40.07 | patlabor221 | or I could use @ |
| 18:40.46 | patlabor221 | or " |
| 18:42.35 | ak|ra | ak:ra |
| 18:42.39 | Chestal | ':' looks prettier |
| 18:42.42 | ak|ra | ak"ra |
| 18:42.45 | ak|ra | ak!ra |
| 18:42.50 | ak|ra | looks always good :) |
| 18:43.02 | Chestal | whoever uses strange characters in his callsign has no rights anyway |
| 18:43.09 | ak|ra | :)) |
| 18:43.49 | Chestal | this callsign registration does away with anonymous admins |
| 18:44.03 | Chestal | as logn as the superadmin does not give privileges to several aliases |
| 18:44.10 | Secret_Hamster | smells of un originality to me, as in 'akra' was already taken |
| 18:44.14 | larsl | Are we having aome kind of feature freeze until g2 is released, or is it OK to commit some code that splits srvmsgs and admsgs containing "\n" into several messages? |
| 18:44.35 | Chestal | well, we had a feature freeze more or less 2 months ago |
| 18:44.39 | larsl | =) |
| 18:44.40 | Chestal | when we were about to release |
| 18:45.12 | Chestal | maybe we should now really make a deadline and think about which pacthes should make it in |
| 18:45.22 | Chestal | then get them in, freeze the code, test for a week and release it finally |
| 18:45.46 | ak|ra | :) |
| 18:45.58 | Chestal | Pat's patch would be nice to have, if he can finish it quickly :-) |
| 18:46.08 | Chestal | I haven't looked at any of the other patches |
| 18:46.26 | larsl | So it's OK if I commit this? It's just a few lines. |
| 18:46.56 | Chestal | so you coudl say -admsgs 'hello\nthere' and it would send two messages? |
| 18:47.20 | larsl | Yes. |
| 18:47.34 | larsl | But -admsg instead of -admsgs. |
| 18:47.37 | ak|ra | and 3? |
| 18:47.42 | larsl | Any number. |
| 18:47.42 | Chestal | of course, was just a typo |
| 18:48.23 | Chestal | well, I have no objections if the code is nice and everything :-) |
| 18:48.26 | ak|ra | larsl: any number? |
| 18:48.36 | ak|ra | even a very very big one? |
| 18:48.57 | larsl | Well, I suppose there is some limit to the length of command line parameters. |
| 18:49.22 | Chestal | we can read from a file, can't we? |
| 18:50.12 | larsl | Read what? |
| 18:50.39 | Chestal | the config, instead of using command line parameters, wen can say -config bzflag.conf |
| 18:50.55 | patlabor221 | I am working on it now |
| 18:50.58 | ak|ra | :) |
| 18:51.19 | patlabor221 | yeah mac hooked up a config file |
| 18:51.38 | Chestal | the changelog is mising some entries |
| 18:51.50 | larsl | So we can. Didn't know that. |
| 18:51.50 | Chestal | I am sure there have been more changes lately which wouldve been worthy to be mentioned in there |
| 18:52.25 | larsl | Well, the '\n' splitting just searches and splits the message linearly until it gets to the end, so the length doesn't matter. |
| 18:53.26 | larsl | By the way, is there a reason for using char* everywhere, instead of std::string? |
| 18:53.33 | larsl | Performance? |
| 18:54.00 | Chestal | evrywhere? |
| 18:54.05 | Chestal | most of the new code uses std::string |
| 18:54.08 | patlabor221 | well the std::string stuww is recent |
| 18:54.16 | larsl | Maybe not everywhere. |
| 18:54.17 | prot-work | yay, sp3 installed, just another few updates left on this guy |
| 18:54.18 | Chestal | but the std:: thigns have only been introduced lately, I think with g0 |
| 18:54.37 | ak|ra | and it was good they were introduced |
| 18:55.06 | prot-work | std::string is used now isntead of BzfString |
| 18:55.18 | prot-work | all the places that used char* still do |
| 18:55.27 | prot-work | except address parsing, which i had to clean up |
| 18:55.29 | patlabor221 | some times you don't need to fire an entire str around. |
| 18:56.25 | ak|ra | prot-work: and i love you for this, really |
| 18:56.51 | ak|ra | :) |
| 18:57.02 | ak|ra | prot-work: takes sooo much time this crappy shit of updated |
| 18:57.03 | ak|ra | prot-work: takes sooo much time this crappy shit of updates |
| 18:57.04 | prot-work | at least i've got a fat enough pipe that download times are insignificant |
| 18:57.07 | larsl | OK, commiting multiline message code. |
| 18:57.17 | ak|ra | my gentoobox is faster with a complet UD world |
| 18:57.36 | prot-work | i'd have to start carving designs into my forearms if i ALSO had to wait more than a few seconds for it to download stuff |
| 18:58.40 | larsl | Hrm, have to update first. |
| 19:00.08 | Chestal | larsl: just comitted a whitespace fix |
| 19:00.46 | larsl | Chestal: Yes, I saw that. I've committed my code too now. |
| 19:01.58 | ak|ra | Chestal: the new cvs-gui is much different from the one we hacked/patched? |
| 19:03.38 | Chestal | akira: the old one for e4? |
| 19:04.31 | prot-work | i'm scared |
| 19:04.37 | prot-work | this ibook has 161 days uptime |
| 19:05.27 | Chestal | must be driven by strong batteries ;-) |
| 19:06.49 | prot-work | must be |
| 19:09.06 | Chestal | larsl: if someone would use a very looong string between '\n', bzfs coudl crash |
| 19:09.26 | Chestal | larsl: don't know if it's worth the hassle to cope with it, you could force a split after MessageLen bytes |
| 19:10.44 | larsl | That's true. |
| 19:11.03 | larsl | It shouldn't be too hard to fix. |
| 19:11.32 | larsl | Oh wow. |
| 19:12.18 | Chestal | hmm, I think I found another bug in bzfs |
| 19:12.36 | Chestal | sendMessage() assumes, that the char *message it gets is MessageLen bytes long |
| 19:12.48 | Chestal | it does buf = nboPackString(buf, message, MessageLen); |
| 19:12.57 | Chestal | and packstring just does a memcpy |
| 19:13.11 | Chestal | but it gets called with shorter strings now and then |
| 19:13.37 | larsl | Does that matter if the shorter string has a '\0' terminator? |
| 19:14.13 | Chestal | well, the memcpy woudl access some random memory right after the string |
| 19:14.19 | Chestal | that doesn't feel good |
| 19:14.50 | larsl | Ah. |
| 19:15.05 | ak|ra | Chestal: yes, changable of gui |
| 19:15.42 | Chestal | ak|ra: well, it is different, it doesn't use the panel gfx anymore |
| 19:15.57 | ak|ra | ok, i think i should get latest cvs |
| 19:15.57 | Chestal | ak|ra: just try it :-) |
| 19:16.40 | Chestal | larsl: I'm not sure how to best fix it. In most places, the caller makes sure that the buffer is big enough (lokal char [MessageLen] which gets filled) |
| 19:16.45 | Chestal | of course, this is error pronne |
| 19:21.45 | larsl | I think that I'm just going to truncate each line to MessageLen characters. People shouldn't use very long lines as messages. =P |
| 19:22.14 | Chestal | the other problem still persists (independently from your change), hmm |
| 19:22.34 | larsl | Yes, of course. |
| 19:22.35 | Chestal | sendMessage() coudl of course make an additional copy, but that would be unneccesary most of the time |
| 19:23.03 | Chestal | it could pack the real number of bytes (up to 0), but I'm think MsgMessage must be of constant lengths |
| 19:23.53 | larsl | Are there a lot of places where buffers with size < MessageLen are passed to sendMessage() (except in my newly written code, which I can change right now)? |
| 19:24.41 | Chestal | yes, lots of strign literals, as in sendMessage(...,"foo"); |
| 19:25.11 | larsl | Ah. |
| 19:26.05 | Chestal | a better understanding of the format of MsgMessage might be good |
| 19:26.10 | Chestal | maybe it's ok to send a shorter packet |
| 19:29.01 | Chestal | I could use an additional parameter bool fullBuffer=false or something |
| 19:29.12 | Chestal | if false, sendMessage() amkes an additional copy |
| 19:29.36 | Chestal | so, the caller can pass true if it#s sure that the buffer has the correct size, so one copy can be avoided |
| 19:29.47 | larsl | And the old code won't have to be changed. |
| 19:30.33 | Chestal | only for optimization |
| 19:30.54 | Chestal | I'd have to go through bzfs and add ,true everywhere where a local char [MessageLen] is already used |
| 19:31.07 | Chestal | not that pretty, but at least it should be correct |
| 19:33.52 | larsl | Hm, is it OK to set message[MessageLen] to '\0'? |
| 19:34.04 | larsl | Or do I have to set message[MessageLen-1] instead? |
| 19:35.52 | Chestal | -1 |
| 19:36.19 | Chestal | so it will only contain MessageLen-1 useful characters |
| 19:46.28 | Chestal | larsl: still working on it? I'll delay my commit after you did yours, I suppose the shuld merge just fine, though |
| 19:47.14 | larsl | Chestal: I thought that I was almost done, but now I'm getting segfaults. |
| 19:47.31 | Chestal | that's bad :-) |
| 19:57.20 | larsl | OK, committed now. |
| 19:57.54 | larsl | ~forget glasstowers |
| 19:57.54 | | larsl: i forgot glasstowers |
| 19:58.00 | larsl | Doh. |
| 19:58.03 | larsl | ~forget towers |
| 19:58.03 | | i forgot towers, larsl |
| 19:58.22 | larsl | ~towers is <reply> see bzfquery glasstowers.homelinux.net:5155 |
| 19:58.23 | | okay, larsl |
| 19:58.35 | larsl | ~glasstowers is <reply> see towers |
| 19:58.35 | | larsl: okay |
| 19:58.42 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 20:02.24 | ak|ra | what was the co for 1_7er branch? |
| 20:02.39 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.00 | larsl | -r v1_7 |
| 20:03.23 | *** join/#bzflag fiberchunks (~fiberchun@237.14.252.64.snet.net) |
| 20:03.29 | ak|ra | cvs root? |
| 20:03.35 | ak|ra | @sf.net? |
| 20:04.00 | Chestal | :ext:chestal@cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag for me |
| 20:04.03 | larsl | :pserver:anonymous@cvs.sf.net:/cvsroot/bzflag |
| 20:04.30 | larsl | Or s/:pserver:anonymous/:ext:username/ |
| 20:07.18 | Chestal | commiting, but I haven't tested my change |
| 20:09.34 | Chestal | my servers are buy, so I don't want to restart them right now |
| 20:09.52 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@208.42.191.38) |
| 20:11.17 | patlabor221 | so what shold I use for a delimiantor for the passwords file? |
| 20:11.24 | patlabor221 | @? |
| 20:11.26 | patlabor221 | or "? |
| 20:11.42 | ak|ra | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co bzflag -r v1_7 |
| 20:11.45 | ak|ra | right? |
| 20:11.46 | Chestal | : would also be ok for me |
| 20:11.54 | patlabor221 | k |
| 20:12.07 | JBDiGriz | termcap, printcap and passwd all used ':' in the beginning |
| 20:12.21 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 20:12.32 | larsl | I'll rebuild and test on my server. |
| 20:12.46 | Chestal | akira: looks good I think |
| 20:12.47 | michaelh2 | hey patl -- how complicated is the code to load arbitrary models and draw them? |
| 20:12.48 | Chestal | larsl: fine |
| 20:13.10 | patlabor221 | not very michah it's all in a class |
| 20:13.13 | michaelh2 | I was thinking about your suggestion w/ regards to the 3d T thing and I was thinking I could hack it in to it... |
| 20:13.25 | patlabor221 | I hacked in a model ofr GM so it's not too hard |
| 20:13.35 | patlabor221 | the GM code has the class |
| 20:13.45 | michaelh2 | could you send it to me somehow ? |
| 20:13.47 | ak|ra | cvs server: cannot find module `-r' - ignored |
| 20:13.49 | ak|ra | cvs server: cannot find module `v1_7' - ignored |
| 20:13.51 | patlabor221 | it's on SF |
| 20:14.01 | patlabor221 | let me find it. |
| 20:14.12 | michaelh2 | is it in the bzcode ? |
| 20:14.12 | larsl | ak|ra: co options before the module name. |
| 20:14.21 | larsl | ... co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 20:14.30 | ak|ra | tried this sec before you told |
| 20:14.41 | ak|ra | always mixed this up |
| 20:14.43 | michaelh2 | so there was some server vulnerability that was just fixed recently? |
| 20:14.55 | patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/patches/missile_diff.zip |
| 20:15.05 | michaelh2 | cool thanks |
| 20:15.35 | Chestal | michaelh2: yes, server did not check the lengths of messages as told by the lcient |
| 20:15.46 | Chestal | there are bound to be more vulnerabilities in it, though |
| 20:15.52 | michaelh2 | is that server down pat? |
| 20:16.08 | patlabor221 | no it should be back now |
| 20:16.35 | patlabor221 | the DNS was down like a week ago |
| 20:16.56 | michaelh2 | there it goes :) |
| 20:22.40 | larsl | Chestal: glasstowers is running with the latest CVS version now, seems to work so far. |
| 20:31.49 | ak|ra | mhhh cvs version looks kinda ugly to my eyes |
| 20:32.31 | Chestal | it looks ok |
| 20:32.34 | michaelh2 | you mean recent changes or ?? |
| 20:32.51 | larsl | Ugly? |
| 20:33.01 | michaelh2 | server / client ? |
| 20:33.04 | larsl | The code or the GUI? =) |
| 20:33.15 | ak|ra | where was the observer patch? |
| 20:33.19 | ak|ra | included? |
| 20:33.28 | Chestal | everything is included |
| 20:33.29 | larsl | Observer patch? |
| 20:33.46 | ak|ra | how could i observe then instead of driving with? |
| 20:34.04 | michaelh2 | it's a secret |
| 20:34.38 | michaelh2 | it's more fun to put features in and make people figure out how to use them |
| 20:35.03 | michaelh2 | you join with @yournamehere |
| 20:35.04 | Chestal | f6-f11 are your friend |
| 20:35.11 | larsl | F7 and F8 change the observer mode. |
| 20:36.55 | ak|ra | the border from radar to battlescreen looks strange |
| 20:37.22 | Chestal | it's in team colour |
| 20:37.30 | Chestal | I got used to it :-) |
| 20:38.02 | ak|ra | traitor :) |
| 20:41.38 | michaelh2 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=740236&group_id=3248&atid=303248 |
| 20:41.45 | michaelh2 | this is a pretty nifty patch I put together....... |
| 20:42.07 | michaelh2 | admin by arrow keys |
| 20:42.12 | michaelh2 | basically |
| 20:42.32 | michaelh2 | I don't know if any more than the usual 3 people are here :) |
| 20:43.04 | michaelh2 | gotta love those huge case statments :) |
| 20:43.23 | patlabor221 | nifty |
| 20:43.56 | michaelh2 | the only things that ever seem to be popular are the things that are suggested by *other* people .. sniff |
| 20:45.31 | michaelh2 | also interestingly with this patch -- it does actually track when you are an admin and could keep and send that info over the net.. like the typing status thing |
| 20:47.19 | michaelh2 | I say nifty a lot don't I ...... :) |
| 20:48.51 | *** join/#bzflag BZFlag (~timr@proxyle01.ext.ti.com) |
| 20:49.24 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:49.33 | michaelh2 | He has gone adn come back..... |
| 20:49.49 | michaelh2 | perhaps he rebooted himself |
| 20:51.42 | michaelh2 | so a PC can 4 partitions and if 1 of them is extended then you can only have 3 primaries -- and hence perhaps 3 os's on the same machine? |
| 20:51.56 | michaelh2 | at least the ones that need to be below a certain limit |
| 20:51.57 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 20:52.30 | michaelh2 | win98/95/dos are in that boat.. so is linux right? |
| 20:52.55 | Chestal | linux does nto require a primary partition |
| 20:53.02 | Chestal | only the old Windozes do |
| 20:53.31 | JBDiGriz | hi michaelh, prot-work was updating the bzfs man pages today in between win2k installs |
| 20:54.02 | michaelh2 | doesn't linux need a boot < 1024 cylinders? |
| 20:54.12 | michaelh2 | -- perhaps it doesn't need to be primary? |
| 20:54.21 | Chestal | that#s only a problem of the boot loader |
| 20:54.24 | michaelh2 | for lilo et all |
| 20:54.31 | michaelh2 | does it need to be primary? |
| 20:54.37 | Chestal | no |
| 20:54.47 | Chestal | and the 1024 cylinder boundary dpeends on the boot loader and BIOS |
| 20:54.56 | michaelh2 | grub? |
| 20:55.19 | Chestal | I'm using a rather strange boot setup here, no grub |
| 20:56.10 | michaelh2 | hi Jb.. I've been a little lax with the man pages myself -- still need to work on that a bit... |
| 20:56.46 | JBDiGriz | We were discussing it last night, it seems a few people would like a man page editor. |
| 20:57.07 | michaelh2 | Oh well windows can't understand my partitions anymore after they got cooked by redhat..... I probably won't be installing any windows stuff until I blow away my entire hard drive |
| 20:57.19 | michaelh2 | isn't that larger than bzflag ? :) |
| 20:58.01 | Chestal | oh, the fun of insalling multiple OS on one computer |
| 20:58.22 | michaelh2 | well if windows weren't so freaking weird in it's ways |
| 20:58.51 | JBDiGriz | I came up with a solution, Unix on every machine in my house. |
| 20:59.02 | michaelh2 | it's funny linux sees my partitions and says "a ok" windows / old partition magic takes one look at them and pukes |
| 20:59.36 | Chestal | I had my part of fun with partitions, too |
| 20:59.47 | Chestal | both Linux and Windows seemed to liek my partitions |
| 20:59.59 | michaelh2 | redhat errored out in it's install -- suse installed with *no* problems |
| 21:00.00 | ak|ra | prot-work: still installing win2k?? |
| 21:00.05 | Chestal | but then they obviously disagreed on the exact space on the disc where they begin |
| 21:00.10 | ak|ra | prot-work: think about a dd-solution |
| 21:00.15 | prot-work | ak|ra: lots of machines with potential security holes |
| 21:00.20 | prot-work | and none of them have the same hardware :P |
| 21:00.21 | Chestal | so I could format a partition with fat32 on Win and not read in on Linux and vice versa |
| 21:00.30 | ak|ra | this ssssucks prot-work |
| 21:00.34 | ak|ra | brainfuck |
| 21:01.09 | michaelh2 | I can only hope that one day I too will get paid to watch progress counters |
| 21:01.21 | prot-work | michaelh2: it really sucks |
| 21:01.29 | michaelh2 | Until then I have CompUSA -- whoot |
| 21:01.32 | JBDiGriz | Get your M$ certification! :) |
| 21:01.46 | michaelh2 | I also have a Csci B.A. :) |
| 21:02.02 | prot-work | so i don't have to get up and look at the screen to see how far the progress bar is |
| 21:02.02 | michaelh2 | But they won't take me for a crappy slap-puters together until I get that A+ |
| 21:03.01 | michaelh2 | it's motivation to try harder to get a real job I suppose |
| 21:04.14 | michaelh2 | but if I stay at the CompUSA long enough and *achieve* *heh* that A+, then perhaps I'll get to come along while they install grannie's computer and try to get her to buy a memory upgrade |
| 21:04.34 | prot-work | haha |
| 21:04.44 | ak|ra | prot-work: :) |
| 21:05.21 | michaelh2 | I know the guy told me one thing they did was install people's puters and give them an hour of instruction |
| 21:05.53 | michaelh2 | although I'll be the guy asking if they want a product replacement plan and hand their bag on the way out the door..... |
| 21:06.41 | michaelh2 | I suppose it's like the McDonald's of IT |
| 21:06.53 | prot-work | haha |
| 21:07.30 | michaelh2 | Although I have heard that is how some people actually get into IT.... through the gutter... |
| 21:07.58 | michaelh2 | And since I no experience on the job.. well perhaps gutter it is for me.. :) |
| 21:08.19 | prot-work | work for the university :) |
| 21:08.22 | JBDiGriz | Keep hacking on projects, and maybe the people in charge will hire you for a decent job! |
| 21:08.36 | michaelh2 | I'll have to move across the country though :) |
| 21:08.40 | JBDiGriz | Working for the university is the best way!!!! |
| 21:08.57 | JBDiGriz | Telecommute |
| 21:08.58 | michaelh2 | But how do you get your foot in the door there? I wasn't able to |
| 21:09.06 | michaelh2 | out of school now... |
| 21:09.18 | michaelh2 | Although I know some people in the IT department there... |
| 21:09.23 | prot-work | it helps that i'm a student |
| 21:09.27 | JBDiGriz | I got a degree and made sure to help out the professors, they guided me from there. |
| 21:09.51 | michaelh2 | my U was quite large.. how about yours? |
| 21:09.55 | JBDiGriz | I started teaching at the extension program as well |
| 21:10.00 | prot-work | michaelh2: about 30k total |
| 21:10.22 | michaelh2 | prot-- 30k ?? |
| 21:10.28 | prot-work | 30k students |
| 21:10.29 | michaelh2 | ohhhhh |
| 21:10.35 | prot-work | biig |
| 21:10.38 | doughecka | very |
| 21:10.45 | michaelh2 | I don't even know how large the University of Minnesota is... |
| 21:10.49 | michaelh2 | but large it is :) |
| 21:10.50 | doughecka | I cant imagin 30k in one area |
| 21:10.51 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:11.11 | prot-work | doughecka: thats why campuses are large |
| 21:11.19 | doughecka | hehe |
| 21:11.39 | michaelh2 | as for hacking away on projects -- that is what I intend to do.. |
| 21:11.59 | michaelh2 | but they make you pay for it :) |
| 21:12.04 | JBDiGriz | I've got Safari updating in the background |
| 21:12.10 | doughecka | hah |
| 21:12.21 | doughecka | I cant get my dad to upgrade to safafi |
| 21:12.23 | doughecka | safari |
| 21:12.24 | michaelh2 | unless of course you stole it :) |
| 21:12.26 | prot-work | safari...you mean...apple happy web |
| 21:12.50 | JBDiGriz | I mean Konqueror but with an Apple twist |
| 21:12.56 | michaelh2 | it would be kind of sad to steal a 3-rd party weh browser, wouldn't it... |
| 21:13.11 | prot-work | except its got fuzzed XSLT support |
| 21:13.35 | JBDiGriz | Still Beta, but faster than Mozilla! |
| 21:13.48 | prot-work | doesn't take much |
| 21:13.53 | prot-work | but other gecko browsers are speedy |
| 21:14.00 | prot-work | like phoenix/galeon/etc |
| 21:14.08 | Chestal | Mozilla isn't that slow anymore |
| 21:14.23 | ak|ra | phoenix is the webbrowser now called firebird |
| 21:14.28 | prot-work | right |
| 21:14.36 | ak|ra | and i must say: impressed by the speed of firebird |
| 21:14.43 | michaelh2 | they're gonna run out of birds |
| 21:14.52 | ak|ra | trying at the moment to replace opera thru firebird |
| 21:18.45 | michaelh2 | total enrollment last semester University of Minnesota (st paul/minneapolis) : 47,273 |
| 21:18.56 | prot-work | yipes |
| 21:19.01 | JBDiGriz | I haven't upgraded Mozilla for a while, I'll check it out along with Firebird tonight |
| 21:19.43 | michaelh2 | huge number of programs -- music, health sciences, IT, liberal arts, all across the board |
| 21:19.56 | prot-work | similar here |
| 21:20.41 | prot-work | i guess its possible that overall my U has that many - there are some smaller campuses in other cities, plus a separate medical school |
| 21:21.49 | michaelh2 | which school is this? |
| 21:22.54 | michaelh2 | http://www1.umn.edu/systemwide/factsenrollment.html |
| 21:22.59 | michaelh2 | 47000 includes the med school |
| 21:23.05 | prot-work | university of colorado |
| 21:23.18 | michaelh2 | that includes the school of the mines :) |
| 21:23.36 | prot-work | shouldn't |
| 21:23.40 | michaelh2 | hmmm |
| 21:24.10 | michaelh2 | I got some soliciation because of GRE for school of the mines and I was scratching my head trying to figure out why... |
| 21:24.31 | michaelh2 | like... dude .. I don't want to work in a mine :) |
| 21:24.55 | JBDiGriz | Sometimes we work in data mines :) |
| 21:24.58 | michaelh2 | they have a decent IT / csci program there don't they |
| 21:25.33 | prot-work | quite |
| 21:26.30 | michaelh2 | that reminds me of that game descent :) |
| 21:30.22 | ak|ra | prot-work: lazy boy |
| 21:30.41 | JBDiGriz | Work smarter, not harder! |
| 21:30.48 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: damn straight |
| 21:31.03 | prot-work | ooh my progress bar is almost done |
| 21:31.09 | prot-work | farking 80g drives |
| 21:32.02 | prot-work | damnit |
| 21:32.06 | prot-work | now i get another progress bar |
| 21:32.21 | ak|ra | :))) |
| 21:33.02 | JBDiGriz | fsck on those 80G drives is a pain, especially when the bzflag client hangs up the machine! :< |
| 21:33.26 | prot-work | except in this case its formatting an 80g drive with NTFS (hyuk) |
| 21:34.03 | prot-work | the only thing keeping me even the tiniest bit sane is that i managed to hook into the speaker system to put on some muzak |
| 21:34.21 | JBDiGriz | Using iTunes? |
| 21:34.31 | prot-work | yep |
| 21:34.55 | JBDiGriz | I'm listening to Internet Radio, it helps! |
| 21:35.07 | prot-work | if i was truly l33t i'd figure out how to splat it on one of the multicast channels in the building |
| 21:35.11 | prot-work | but i'm not |
| 21:35.42 | JBDiGriz | It shouldn't be harder then hoodging up the video connections. |
| 21:36.22 | prot-work | well...it is, since i knew the video setup pretty well, but haven't yet figured out how the multicast stuff is configured |
| 21:37.59 | prot-work | but i did get all the speakers in the cieling playing my muzak too |
| 21:45.06 | patlabor221 | you need to play the smurf techo song REALY loud |
| 21:50.17 | prot-work | haha |
| 22:11.02 | JBDiGriz | yaccity yacc |
| 22:11.40 | patlabor221 | fscanf :) |
| 22:12.07 | JBDiGriz | one of the worst calls around! |
| 22:12.29 | patlabor221 | it works |
| 22:12.47 | larsl | $a =~ /foo/gi; =) |
| 22:13.01 | patlabor221 | do that on windows |
| 22:13.06 | JBDiGriz | but usually I end up rewriting to do what I want |
| 22:13.24 | larsl | As long as you have Perl, no problem. =) |
| 22:13.33 | patlabor221 | in BZFS |
| 22:14.24 | patlabor221 | you can redo bzfs in perl if you want larsl, just let me know when you are done. |
| 22:14.37 | larsl | Oh, sure. |
| 22:19.14 | ak|ra | firebird knows mousegesture .. happy happy |
| 22:22.43 | prot-work | guess what! |
| 22:22.46 | prot-work | WINDOWS UPDATE TIME! |
| 22:24.56 | larsl | Again? |
| 22:25.09 | prot-work | again |
| 22:25.13 | prot-work | 4 machines left after this |
| 22:26.36 | ak|ra | prot-work: :)) |
| 22:26.39 | ak|ra | brainfucked? |
| 22:27.06 | prot-work | yep |
| 22:27.19 | JBDiGriz | Let's see according to my timestamps it was 5 machines left at 11:13, and now 4 machines at 4:30 |
| 22:27.35 | JBDiGriz | That's about 5 hours per update |
| 22:27.42 | prot-work | about |
| 22:28.14 | JBDiGriz | I would never work on a 10,000 machine Windows cluster. |
| 22:28.44 | prot-work | JBDiGriz: at least in that situation there's usually a consistent environment |
| 22:28.55 | prot-work | here each machine has special hardware/software for its purpose |
| 22:31.46 | ak|ra | capn doesnt like choclate from akira? |
| 22:31.49 | ak|ra | *sniff* |
| 22:34.43 | patlabor221 | heh, forgot I did this "player[t].accessInfo.aRights,didlySquat" |
| 22:35.50 | ak|ra | jaja .. seconds ago it was complaining about "update boxes and idling around" :)) |
| 22:36.41 | JBDiGriz | 10 minutes of extreme activity followed by 4 hrs and 50 minutes of watching a progress bar |
| 22:36.59 | prot-work | sort of |
| 22:37.08 | prot-work | 5 minutes of extreme activity every half hour or so |
| 22:38.43 | ak|ra | so then dont complain if the choclate is gone |
| 22:38.52 | ak|ra | tea is empty also .. damn |
| 22:39.09 | ak|ra | to inherit a module in python i do? |
| 22:39.11 | ak|ra | inherit? |
| 22:39.17 | ak|ra | include module? |
| 22:39.33 | larsl | import module |
| 22:39.41 | ak|ra | import was it |
| 22:39.50 | ak|ra | i saw this before .. didnt remember it |
| 22:53.20 | prot-work | well, i think its time to throw the towel in for today |
| 22:53.58 | patlabor221 | anyone got any sugestions on password limits? |
| 22:55.51 | TimRiker | don't have any. good limit. ;-) |
| 22:57.12 | patlabor221 | I'm sayin 3 now |
| 22:58.29 | TimRiker | 3 what? |
| 22:58.37 | patlabor221 | characters min |
| 22:59.23 | patlabor221 | callsign registration to allow spliting up server access permisions. |
| 22:59.42 | patlabor221 | could be used as the start of the karma system as well |
| 23:08.46 | *** join/#bzflag stibnite (is@aau.cx) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 23:11.34 | patlabor221 | whoot only 14 errors |
| 23:13.58 | larsl | "Haskell: We put the Funk in Funktion." =) |
| 23:14.20 | patlabor221 | I wish that std::string had a const char* operator |
| 23:29.47 | *** join/#bzflag bzfrank (~chatzilla@p50918296.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 23:29.50 | bzfrank | hi |
| 23:33.15 | hardwire | bzbob? |
| 23:33.33 | bzfrank | huh? |
| 23:33.44 | hardwire | thought you wre somebody else |
| 23:35.00 | bzfrank | I think that of myself also sometimes... |
| 23:35.48 | patlabor221 | I wana know who that bastard in the mirror is, he keeps lookin at me funny |
| 23:36.17 | bzfrank | kick him until he tells his name ;) |
| 23:38.04 | patlabor221 | then I fall thru the mirror and he laughs |
| 23:39.31 | bzfrank | definitely a glitch in the matrix |
| 23:40.40 | bzfrank | btw is running fine on a Sony Vaio u1 |
| 23:40.47 | bzfrank | bzflag that is |
| 23:41.09 | bzfrank | 6 inch screen, 1024x768 |
| 23:41.25 | bzfrank | with wireless card, play on the move |
| 23:41.34 | bzfrank | 820 grams |
| 23:41.36 | patlabor221 | heh |
| 23:45.41 | TimRiker | patlabor221: sweet. where is the pw info stored at present? |
| 23:45.51 | patlabor221 | for now just in a local file |
| 23:45.54 | TimRiker | k |
| 23:45.59 | patlabor221 | to make sure it all works |
| 23:46.21 | TimRiker | you doing any crypto? |
| 23:46.33 | patlabor221 | no not yet, it's server side only |
| 23:46.40 | TimRiker | k |
| 23:46.42 | patlabor221 | works like IRC |
| 23:47.01 | patlabor221 | you /register and /identify |
| 23:47.32 | patlabor221 | figure can work it into the client and stuff and only send password hashes after protocol break |
| 23:48.11 | patlabor221 | there are realy 3 files now, the passwords, the access group definitions, and the individual user database |
| 23:49.11 | patlabor221 | the nice thing is it will let server admins do away with the global /password stuff |
| 23:49.23 | patlabor221 | and they can give people jus the permisions they need |
| 23:49.50 | patlabor221 | like kick and ban to some, countdown, and endgame to others |
| 23:51.46 | patlabor221 | and it has nickserv type "ghost" support for registerd users, and an optional "auto kick if they haven't identified in X amount of time" support |
| 23:52.26 | patlabor221 | so like on a league server you ensure that at least everyone is registered |
| 23:55.00 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~blardebla@12-203-245-57.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:55.01 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 23:57.35 | TimRiker | client sending hashes does not help much. |
| 23:57.46 | patlabor221 | was just an example |
| 23:57.50 | TimRiker | can still sniff the packet and send the hash from another client. |
| 23:57.50 | patlabor221 | some type of crypto |
| 23:58.24 | patlabor221 | persently it's all plain text, just to see if the basic idea works |
| 23:58.26 | TimRiker | passwords are not in the user database? |
| 23:58.32 | patlabor221 | no |
| 23:58.43 | TimRiker | hmm. why? |
| 23:58.58 | patlabor221 | so that if you wanted say a shared password database, but didn't want to use the sared access levels |
| 23:59.19 | patlabor221 | since the userdatabase stores what permisions you have on this server. |
| 23:59.44 | TimRiker | hmm... I guess. no sense building the perfect one now, so that's fine. |