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02:36.28michaelh2why do I have to hit ctrl-c to get my cvs diffs through ssh to stop?
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02:44.53bzfrankhi
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02:49.26asdfhello
02:49.35asdfanyone watching ?
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02:51.19michaelhwatching who
02:51.38michaelh<PROTECTED>
02:52.11asdfis michaelh just a bot?
02:52.23bzfrankbing bing
02:52.42asdftahks for the clarificatoin bzfrank
02:52.47iluxaChestal: awake?
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02:53.24iluxaOK, I think he's not
02:53.38iluxaso we will have to make DM talk to him...
02:53.43huhhey chestal
02:53.52huhok, DM can talk to hime
02:55.59captain_protonbzfrank: hows life?
02:56.09bzfrankwell, busy ;)
02:56.55bzfrankI have put the current test version for P2501 on my web server, the forum now has the link
02:58.08bzfrankalso I tried to get some sense in Windows truetype font naming in the last 8 hours, but whoever wrote this MS stuff clearly has "1) make it cryptic as possible, Bill told so" on his agenda ;)
02:58.45captain_protonnow why did you do a thing like that?
02:59.15bzfrankwhat? the windows font thingy?
02:59.34bzfrankbecause I'd like to map from some embedded font to the 'real' font name
03:00.40bzfranke.g. if a font named TTE2FE5AC1t00 is used I want to get the font name 'Times-NewRoman'... for PDF generation
03:01.42captain_protonoh right you do that pdf thingy
03:02.41bzfrankright! The first 'distiller' app that can do PDF/X natively on the market! :)
03:04.31michaelhhow do I set tabs and indent in emacs?
03:05.16bzfranksorry, I am a vi guy...
03:07.37michaelhi notice make doesn't pick up on changed headers
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03:08.48jpablohi
03:09.51bzfrankhi
03:10.52jpablobzfrank: how is your proyect ? did you released something yet ?
03:11.00captain_protonmichaelh: only if the makefile doesn't list them as a dependency
03:11.32bzfranksee the bzbb.bakadigital.com forum, Project2501 section for the download link
03:11.42jpablook
03:14.31bzfrankhttp://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?t=637
03:14.45jpablois ther a linux version ?
03:15.03bzfrankyesm but not in THIS version ;)
03:15.13jpablodarn.
03:15.20jpabloany downloadeable linux version ?
03:15.37bzfrankI still have some folks reporting troubles on Windows and so I put this in the wild to gain some more feedback
03:15.39bzfranksoon
03:16.14jpablooh well, out to dinner.
03:16.38michaelhlinux bzflag pukes on +f GM{20} ?
03:17.06huhmichaelh... about emacs and tabs, etc
03:19.31huhI can answer your question, but I have to ask "why"
03:19.35michaelhdoh.. I was running g0 version
03:20.02michaelhbecause I had to tab and then back space and then space forward to indent it right?
03:20.12huhnope
03:20.21huhwhat buffer mode?
03:20.40huhare you in text, writing code, what
03:20.50michaelhc++ I believe? not an emacs expert
03:21.24huhwell, if you're writing code, i.e. editting a file ext .cc .C .cpp then your mode will be set
03:21.39huhif not, set it
03:22.06huhyou do this by M-x c++-mode
03:22.34huhyou'll see the major mode in the buffer status line in the center
03:23.03iluxaAlso, ofr C/C++, there c-style
03:23.19iluxawhich allows to use different identation styles
03:23.26huhthen, to go to a new line and auto-indent, use ^j
03:23.34huhctl-j
03:23.48huhhey iluxa
03:23.54iluxahey huh
03:24.42huhBTW, iluxa, I did explain a way to deal with lag the other night
03:25.00iluxaHow? reconnect?
03:25.13huhknow, I mean a server enhancement
03:25.25huherrr, no, I mean a server enhancement
03:25.36iluxaI probably missed it
03:25.52huhdo you do any real time programming?
03:26.32huhwhat you do is what we do in microprocessor development with clock domains
03:27.00iluxadefine clock domain
03:27.05huhyou control the lag skew
03:27.23huhon a chip, we have several different clocks
03:27.27iluxaah
03:27.39huheach one may or may not be related
03:28.08huhso you keep the skew as seen by the clients within a tolerance
03:28.32huhyou use "insertion delay"
03:28.49iluxathat woul require some client cooperation, then, right?
03:28.57huhnope
03:29.10huhthe server would keep track of lags
03:29.10iluxahow do you know the skew, then?
03:29.21iluxahmm...
03:29.47iluxaI don't know anything about bzflag protocol, unfortunately
03:30.09huhyeah, I confess to not reading the code... much
03:30.52huhyet, the lagstats are available... to the server too I imagine
03:31.18iluxaare you sure it's not calculated inside client?
03:31.32michaelhit's some sort of traceroute done by the server
03:31.32iluxaI think different people see different lagstats at the same time
03:31.36huhin fact, the server is passing the UDP packets along. so it knows when they are arriving
03:31.46iluxathat's true
03:32.17huhI'm talking about inserting delay in the relay of the packets to different clients
03:32.24huhthats it
03:32.40michaelhso everyone can share the lag ? :)
03:33.04huhthey all have lag, you want to normalize the skew to its best value
03:33.13huhso its fair
03:33.16iluxayeah
03:33.43iluxaI was thinking aout slowing down everyone, but then some bastrad with modem connection comes to publick spot
03:33.48michaelhYou don't generally see it when lag is implemented in it's usual way :)
03:33.50huhand this is not constant... analgous to "clock jitter" in a phase locked loop
03:33.53iluxaanother problem is "peaking lag"
03:34.01iluxaone that changes rapidly
03:34.16huhagain, a phase locked loop problem
03:34.28huhyou WILL have jitter
03:34.57huhbut the skew can be kept, on average, in a range of tolerance
03:35.03iluxasorry, I know next to zero about electronics, and even less in English terminlology :)
03:35.15michaelhyou mean if packets are sent just simply as the server gets them it causes problems with the clients?
03:35.25michaelhinstead of smoothing them out?
03:35.33huhits the timing...
03:35.44huhsome clients get them faster than others
03:36.00iluxaActually, I'm afraid problem is deeper
03:36.05iluxaWe have to look at code
03:36.08huhnaturally
03:36.21michaelhyou guys are funny
03:36.30huhyeah, its late
03:36.30michaelh:)
03:36.36huhi'm off
03:36.39iluxaI think many of collision calculations are performed on client side, so the problem is not when packet arrives to client, but when it arrives to server from client
03:36.44michaelhI'm not a network/ server pro either
03:36.54iluxaok cu huh
03:37.06huhtime to play, no time to develop a VIDEO GAME
03:37.11huhheh
03:37.43iluxalolo
03:37.49huhin microprocessor land, we'd do a timing diagram and you look at different cases
03:37.54bzfrankthe problem is quite complex, but it boils down to : keep the amount of data low, keep packets small and avoid peaks ;) )AND get rid of the dreaded TCP)
03:38.10huhhah  
03:38.21michaelhwhat would cause peaks?
03:38.24huhyeah, can't afford the overhead
03:38.31michaelhsending multiple packets at same time?
03:38.48huhpeaks because a network variance
03:39.01bzfrankrelays are prone to peaks, bzflag is nothing but a ping-in/multiple-pongs out server
03:39.11huhyou can't avoid them
03:39.24bzfranktrue, but you can avoid overhead
03:39.34huhdid you see my comments on phase locked loops and insertion delay bzfrank?
03:39.44bzfrankyes i did
03:39.59bzfrankbut putting in delay does not solve the problem
03:40.06huhsome analysis could be done to "increase the fairness"
03:40.39michaelhthose poor people with high speed connections... sniff :)
03:40.51huhI normally don't use UDP
03:40.52bzfrankhow about : don'T send so much updates to slower folks ;)
03:41.03TimRikerneeds to progressively discard pongs for more distant vehicles.
03:41.03iluxalol
03:41.07bzfrankpitty you, TCP sucks big time
03:41.17huhhow about not sending so many updates to the best player
03:41.28michaelhheh
03:41.29bzfrankhow about kicking the loosers right away ;)
03:41.35huhlol
03:41.37TimRikerand combine multiple players pongs into one packet to reduce tcp/udp overhead.
03:41.54huhnow thats an idea
03:42.06bzfranktim: no, wrong way. Big packets are definitely to avoid
03:42.13michaelhI still want to put in my "torture" mode where the admin can make them randomly drop flags and have shots shot at them
03:42.48huhbut you can tolerate up to a certain size packet
03:42.53michaelh(for trolls)
03:43.36bzfrankthe smaller the packet the better it works over long distances. We are talknig UDP here of course
03:44.05TimRikerbzfrank: as opposed to multiple small packets?
03:44.15bzfrankyes
03:44.31bzfranktry it! :)
03:45.05huhwell, its late, I'll be back sometime...
03:45.06TimRikerneed to track the size/vs reliability for each connection, but once you find the largest reliable, you should try to fill it if it does not significantly delay response.
03:45.35TimRikerthat's what my tests are showing. though the largest packet is often small. =(
03:45.49huhI do have a new combo UDP/tcp package that I'm using at work... and I can run tests
03:46.03TimRikerit amazes me how much frame relay and other small packet transports are still used.
03:46.06bzfrankwell, my tests did show the largest packet size for this is as small a a full position update for my stuff here
03:46.21TimRikerbyte size?
03:46.33bzfrankwait
03:46.47TimRikerI've seen like 280 byte packets or so.
03:47.16huhwhats the range of typical packet size?
03:47.21bzfrank84
03:47.29TimRikersome connections handle 500byte, but only LAN connects seem to get near 1500 byte reliably.
03:47.50TimRiker84? ugh... I pity the .de networks you use. ;-)
03:48.12huhheh
03:48.30huhlater
03:48.33bzfranknot everyone is connected by a big pipe oh grande bhwana ;)
03:48.49bzfrankbtw this was meansured over a ADSL line to my server outside
03:48.59TimRikerI've not done a ton of tests, but I've never seen much of a difference between 280ish and sub 100 byte packets.
03:49.19bzfrankwhat are your network speeds for the test?
03:49.20TimRikerhow many hops was that?
03:49.26bzfrank5 hops
03:49.42TimRikerquite a few dial up users. Tried different ISPs
03:49.55TimRiker8-15 hops or so.
03:50.19TimRikerone was like 28 hops
03:50.22bzfrankwell, do it your way, I'll do it mine ;)
03:50.48TimRikerI did not do any eu sites though. looks like the results would vary a lot.
03:51.19TimRikerdo your TCP packets get fragmented too?
03:51.39bzfrankI did not test TCP
03:51.51bzfrankbut I guess not, performance for stream is good
03:52.04TimRikeryou plan to implement a reliable transport on top of UDP then?
03:52.13bzfrankalready done
03:53.11TimRikerdoes it negotiate for larger packets or just use the small packet size all the time? ie: how do you send over files or large data?
03:53.12bzfrankP2501 does not use TCP at all, maybe for data updates before the game starts later
03:53.33bzfrankwhy should I send large files? ;)
03:53.46TimRikerbitmaps, maps, etc.
03:53.49bzfrankthe max. packet size is 84 bytes, usually less
03:54.05bzfrankall be there in one bug happy ZIP files
03:54.11TimRikersent how?
03:54.47bzfranknot a matter of the client, the client just checks if the MD5 of the ZIP is the same as the server has
03:54.56TimRikerand then... ?
03:55.03bzfrankif not it will display a URL where to get the the data file
03:55.20bzfrankI do not do file updates over the wire
03:55.26TimRikerah. so you need a web/ftp site to distribute the files from.
03:55.35bzfranksure - why reinvent the wheel
03:55.41TimRikerfirewalls.
03:55.55bzfrankand building in a client to fetch it automatically is trivial
03:56.01bzfrank?
03:56.29bzfrankthe game server and the file server are just separate
03:56.55TimRikerjust means more ports/protocols that the client has to use. not a big deal, just means implementing http proxy support, which is a good thing to do anyway for things like list servers / karma/ etc.
03:57.58bzfrankThat's outside my current design, I only want to see best game networking right now
03:58.06TimRikerdo you datestamp each packet? or how do you handle or plan to handle late udp packets? bz does nothing to handle them now. ugh.
03:58.18bzfrankStill it is easy to use the UDP session to transfer files ,etc.
03:58.46bzfrankeach packet has a 16 bit sequence number
03:58.48TimRikerwaiting for a large map zip bundle over a 84byte udp packet stream will not be fun.
03:59.15TimRikersequence number is not tied to time though? just order?
03:59.20bzfrankthe 84 bytes are just by design of the GOs ;)
03:59.27bzfrankyou can use larger sizes of course ;)
03:59.37bzfrankjust order
03:59.51TimRikerdo you just discard late packets then? or do you track the last sequence # for eack players update etc?
04:00.09bzfrankcaching slightly ahead traveling packets, droping duplicates
04:00.48TimRikerah. how do you know when a "slightly ahead traveling packet" get's processed?
04:01.03TimRikerie: what if the missing one never shows up?
04:01.33bzfrankif the queue of missing packets get too large the client is dropped (or server vice versa)
04:02.16TimRikerhmm.. too large % or too large absolute? I've found a lot of nets that are like 80% reliable for udp.
04:03.11bzfrankright now absolute
04:03.24TimRikerseems quite a few us routers are configured to just discard udp when they are "too busy"
04:03.39TimRikerwell... discard some udp packets... not all udp
04:03.55bzfrankyep, here too
04:04.14TimRikerso then you just get kicked, dropped?
04:04.33bzfrankyep
04:05.10TimRikerhmm. that would mean a lot of the listed servers would not be playable to many players.
04:05.30bzfrankwhy?
04:06.28TimRikerjust traffic patterns in the us nets I've tested. I presume 80-90 percentage would cause you to get dropped, and if it's your ISP that's doing the dropping, then you can't get on any server anywhere.
04:06.57bzfrankstill most other online games use a similar way
04:07.11bzfranke.g. tribes
04:07.58TimRikerwell, I know some games that handle graceful degradation if there is no other option. ie: subspace
04:08.47TimRikera tcp only channel offeres other fw options too. I get on through an http proxy here at TI from time to time now.
04:09.16TimRikerperformance sux, but I can get in to admin etc.
04:09.16bzfrankwell, I don't belive in TCP, sorry - simply doesn ot work of online games
04:10.18TimRikerI hear that. I wonder if it's worth doing too. I tend to think it is, but I can definitely see reasons for not doing it.
04:11.35TimRikerwell, interesting discussion. keep me posted on 2501 as it progresses. I better get back to work on my late OLS presentation.
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04:11.52bzfrankwill do
04:12.02TimRikerI wish Somebody(tm) would make http://www.racer.nl/ into a useable game sometime. ;-)
04:12.04bzfrankyou can also check pats forum from time to ime
04:12.23bzfrank*grins* yep
04:12.24bzfranknice one
04:12.49TimRikernah. I have enough email/forums to check. I avoid BBs. I don't mind others using them , just not my thing.
04:12.59bzfrankmy physics is unfortunately much less evoved ;)
04:14.21TimRikerI tried to talk him into GPLing it so others would play, but no joy. ping him on licensing if you get a chance. ;-)
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04:17.49michaelhI just finished a patch that allows you admin via the arrow keys ..
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04:52.12captain_protonbusy tonight :P
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05:51.46dougheckagreetings
06:01.04captain_proton~x fr en je sais
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06:41.23fiberchunksor not :)
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08:29.55Chestalproton: uhoh
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08:45.33Secret_Hamsterhas anyone here had experience of using a joystick on Linux?
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11:00.25iLL_Afkhmm
11:00.30iLL_Afkany devels around?
11:01.33iLL_Afkseems my suggestion got removed from the sourceforge (I made a suggestion quite some time ago about flag transfers when shooting your teamates, and or a flag transfer mode where you hit a hotkey or 3rd mouse button and next person you shoot gets flag (so you could have interceptions too)
11:02.34iLL_Afkthis is a good idea hopefully someones listening =)
11:11.13Chestalill: I remember that suggestion
11:17.13iLL_AfkI posted it again
11:17.15iLL_Afk=)
11:17.15iLL_Afkcool
11:17.22iLL_Afkthanks chestal
11:17.42iLL_Afkdunno how the other one disappeared
11:17.47jraitalahello
11:17.55iLL_AfkChestal: is bzflag still in active development?
11:18.09iLL_AfkI notice zero went down and the message
11:21.28Chestalbz dev is taking a break :-(
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12:03.30[dmp]Hello World
12:03.32[dmp]:)
12:05.19rooterhello [dmp]
12:05.58[dmp]rooter: tried to add you to AIM, I failed somehow.
12:06.13rooterhmm... you used euripedies?  it's mispelled
12:06.52[dmp]i copied it from what you wrote to me :) i have no idea what it means.. trying again
12:07.00ChestalI want your AIM id, too, if you don't mind :-)
12:07.09Chestal(my visitors are late)
12:07.13rooterit's suppose to be euripedies :)
12:07.59[dmp]found someone, added to im..
12:08.14[dmp]cool :)
12:08.55Chestalhmm
12:09.02rooterProblems Ches?
12:09.12Chestalyes, strange
12:10.08Chestallooks better now
12:10.16rooteryou could give me yours and i could im you... then you could... oh ok
12:11.16rooter[dmp]: i'm working on the league site as we speak
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12:11.59[dmp]rooter: cool :)
12:12.27[dmp]rooter: this weekend i'll use some time to make it easy/easier to change the design
12:12.58rooter[dmp]: cool beans... i should have a few good ideas to show by then
12:14.06larslDid Tim increase the number of good flags on XMission?
12:14.10[dmp]rooter: i got a few myself. But would like to focus on the fundamental stuff first. (damn.. :)) .. Perhaps I should begin writing them down. It seems that greg1 and ski would like to help out.
12:14.57rooter[dmp]: getting those down would be a good idea... it helps with direction
12:15.18[dmp]"Nmap featured in The Matrix Reloaded" .. cool :)
12:15.33rooteri saw that... nearly jumped out of my seat
12:15.36rooterssh also
12:15.38[dmp]rooter: yes. Let me know when you want access to cvs.
12:15.43[dmp]its fantastic :)
12:16.11rooter[dmp]: ok... i won't tempt myself with code yet :)
12:16.16[dmp]i didnt think that hollywood could hack anything wihtout fancy 3d graphics and something that blinks meanwhile
12:16.53rooterlol... yeah... a hacker with a screen that looks like flash is the norm
13:30.33iLL_Afkyou should see this little whiner in hix
13:30.48iLL_Afknoob who doesn't know how to avoid gms accusing me of cheating
13:30.51iLL_Afkwhat a loser
13:31.22iLL_Afkok i've vented =)
13:31.22iLL_Afkheh
13:31.25iLL_Afknight all
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13:53.01bomberback uff
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14:03.21dalethHowdy.  I just got e-mailed a copy of bzdeath.c, a DOS for bz servers.  Is anyone working on a fix?
14:03.36dougheckaemail it to me! :P
14:04.30dalethhaha.
14:04.44dougheckaand I will, um, fix it... yea!
14:05.53dalethSo, have people heard of this thing, or is it new to people?
14:06.01dougheckanever heard of it
14:06.14dougheckawhat does the code look like... and who emailed it to you?
14:06.16Chestalnew to me, but I am not surprised that you can easily do DOS attacks on bzfs
14:07.04dalethdoughecka: Er.  Code.  And some guy in IRC, at #trilug.  I run a little server for our user group, and they wanted to know if we were vuln to this.
14:07.24dalethChestal: Yeah, I'm not surprised, but this is the first one that I'm aware of.
14:07.29dougheckahuh
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14:11.17dalethSo, should I send this bzdeath code to someone/some-list?
14:11.48dougheckaTimRiker, captain_proton, Chestal, or just about anyone in here.. :)
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14:12.11dalethWhere can I find addresses?
14:12.18dougheckadunno
14:12.19dougheckaask em
14:12.20doughecka:)
14:12.25dougheckanow off I go for breakfast
14:12.30dalethhave a good one.
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14:13.04dalethSo, who should I send this bzdeath code I've just received, that is a working Denial of Service to bzfs?
14:14.04clickservers are starting to die, what is going on?
14:14.19[dmp]I dont think anyone is looking into this, daleth.
14:14.38[dmp]but if you like, you can sent it to me, and i'll forward it (i dont like giving out other peoples email-adresses)
14:14.39dalethI'm not aware of any server dying, but I worry, I do.
14:14.46clickbzflag.xgarreau.org, manf.nailed.org, sun.icenter.pl etc subbenly dies, and someone is talking about DoS
14:15.17larsldaleth: Send it to me. I can't promise that I'll hack something right now, but I'll look at it as soon as I can.
14:15.20larsl~larsl
14:15.20larsl@users.sourceforge.net
14:15.28dalethWill do.
14:17.01clickanyone know what's going on?
14:17.08larslOr DCC it, doesn't matter which.
14:17.57dalethlarsl: It's been sent.
14:19.16[dmp]click: who talked about that it is a DOS attack?
14:19.27dalethclick: I don't know if those servers got hit with the DoS client I was sent, but the DoS does work.
14:19.49click[dmp] : got posted on several mailinglists
14:20.01Chestaldoes it crash the server?
14:20.15daleththe server does a segfault.
14:21.13Chestalok, send it to me, please. DCC if you can?
14:21.31clicksomeone said something about a working shellspawning exploit as well
14:21.50clickso I took my server down to be safe
14:21.57ChestalI doubt that
14:22.10dalethChestal: can't DCC.  
14:22.27Chestaldaleth: suggest something else, mail?
14:22.34dalethThe version I've got is pretty crude.  isn't a shellspawn
14:22.38dalethmail would work.  
14:22.47Chestalthilo@unix-ag.org
14:23.49dalethIt is on its way.
14:23.52Chestalthanks
14:23.55dalethnp
14:23.57Chestalwill look at it later
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14:25.18larslIt doesn't do anything for me... just prints "connection established!".
14:25.48dalethlarsl: OK.  I swear it works for me.
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14:26.34dougheckalol
14:28.48clickworks for me too
14:28.51clickjust stested it
14:28.57clickbzfs segfaults and dies
14:29.08larslWhat version?
14:29.56click1.7g0
14:30.24larsl<PROTECTED>
14:30.27larsl-- error: server sent illegal reconnect port
14:30.45larslHas the networking code changed since g0?
14:35.31clicksomeone should clarify this and post a public statement
14:36.18larslOh well, it didn't kill any of the servers I tested it on.
14:36.26larslI don't have g0 anywhere, though.
14:36.42dalethisn't g0 the public one?
14:37.03larslYes.
14:38.16clicksevreal servers on the meta list disappeared in the same minute
14:38.20dalethRight, so this is prolly a problem for the public servers out there.  
14:38.26clicka little while ago
14:38.53dougheckacould you email this to me?
14:38.54larsl~bzflist
14:40.25clickbzflag.xgarreau.org bamf.nailed.org sun.icenter.pl bzflag.rosemeyers.net:5155 alpha.nomh.org etc all went away at the same time
14:41.01clickI think this might be a problem
14:43.51larslOK, it does seem to work on g0.
14:44.28[dmp]:-|
14:44.43larslSince I don't know anything about either networking or security, I'll leave it to someone more knowledgeable.
14:48.35larslI hope anyone who is attacked will try to get the jerks who did it. The IPs show up in the logs.
14:48.46Chestalit's just sending random packets fast
14:49.17larslIt doesn't work on latest CVS though. Has the handshaking changed since g0?
14:50.16Chestaland it does not work out of the box
14:50.28larslIt did for me.
14:50.36larslOn 1.7g0, that is.
14:55.10Chestalwow, this is strange code, a little buggy
14:55.39clickwhich code?
14:56.54Chestalfixed onebug in it, now it connects, but dies quickly
14:57.45clickbzdeath?
14:58.33Chestalyes
14:58.39Chestalok, it can crash bzfs if you try long enough
14:58.56clicknever than 1.7g0 too?
14:59.01clicknewer*
14:59.20Chestalyes
15:00.00ChestalI propose a simple fix, does not make the server immune against attacks, but harder toget it down
15:00.10Chestalclose the connectin immediately if a malformed packet arrives
15:00.18larslSounds good.
15:00.53ChestalI had to fix the code because it has several small errors. Main error is that it cannot handle reconnect prots >32768 cause of signed/unsigned problems
15:02.32clickwhat other errors?
15:03.44Chestalseveral type glitches etc.
15:04.23clickdoesnt give me any warnings during compile
15:04.44Chestalfor one, the signature of the functions passed to signal are wrong
15:05.01Chestalsome minro additional signed/unsigned problems
15:05.18Chestalcreative and inefficient use of strlen (ok, that's not a bug)
15:06.15clickok
15:07.22larslWhoever it was, he/she doesn't seem to kill any other servers.
15:07.58Chestaldaleth: where did you say you retrieved this code from?
15:11.58dalethI got it from a guy in our user group who won't say where he got it.  
15:12.12larslWon't say?
15:13.13dalethWon't say.
15:16.37dalethDid say.  Apparently the Full Disclosures Mailing list.
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15:21.06larslI can't get to bzbb.bzflag.org... is anyone else having the same problem?
15:21.45dalethI can get there, it's slow though.
15:21.55Chestallarsl: works for me
15:22.01Chestallarls: but slowly
15:23.51[dmp]larsl: works fine her with normal speed (or close to it)..
15:24.16lovelaceSlow for me too, but up
15:25.04larslNow it works for me too. Weird.
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15:26.55Chestalwell, I'm off, cu
15:29.23Jormungandrhrm... secretplace has been misbehaving pretty badly for the last 2 days.
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15:29.44dougheckamy map still?
15:29.46Jormungandrhad to restart it again this morning cuz it had just died.
15:29.47dougheckahey patlabor221
15:29.48Jormungandrnod
15:29.53dougheckacool
15:30.11Jormungandrand people having problems connecting yesterday.. where people couldn't be killed or go NR.
15:30.18dougheckahuh
15:30.20dougheckaodd
15:30.25Jormungandrbut... I did change IP numbers on the servers yesterday.
15:30.25Jormungandrso that might have some bearing.
15:31.07dougheckahm
15:31.16patlabor221sup
15:31.20Jormungandrhiya
15:31.23Jormungandrserver just being flakey
15:31.37larslpatlabor221: DOS hack for bzfs found. =(
15:33.05JormungandrI think that might be what's happening with secretplace.
15:34.23patlabor221you mean using BZ for a DOS, or DOSing a BZFS server?
15:34.55dougheckaDOSin a bzfs server
15:35.07patlabor221ohh that dosn't suprise me.
15:35.12dougheckaheh
15:35.22doughecka10 year old code in some places.. :P
15:35.30Jormungandrwell, my opinion is that if I am getting DOS'd then it's not worth maintaining a server.
15:35.35patlabor221being open source, I am suprised it took them this long
15:35.39Jormungandrbut I'll keep my eyes out.
15:35.48patlabor221larsl, can you fix it?
15:35.57larslI couldn't get it to work against latest CVS, though.
15:36.05larslI think Chestal was doing something about it.
15:36.23dougheckaisnt CVS immune to it?
15:36.27dougheckableh
15:36.36larslI'm not really a networking/security guy. =P
15:36.38Jormungandrah.. maybe I should update.
15:36.43patlabor221it's just code
15:36.52clicksomeone made it work against cvs
15:37.02Jormungandrhrm.
15:37.16patlabor221I'm sure there are number of messages the server just blindly replys too
15:37.21click<Chestal> ok, it can crash bzfs if you try long enough
15:37.22click<click> never than 1.7g0 too?
15:37.22click<click> newer*
15:37.22click<Chestal> yes
15:37.26larslAt least it's not a shell exploit. Yet, anyway.
15:37.46Jormungandrgood thing mine's chrooted
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15:38.12Big_Barrelhi bomber
15:38.17Big_Barrelhi dmp
15:41.05Jormungandris cvs broken?
15:41.12Jormungandrcan't log in for some reason
15:41.23larslSourceForge?
15:41.26Jormungandrnod
15:41.34Jormungandrthere it goes
15:41.40larslTry again and again... it can be very busy.
15:41.44[dmp]hi Big_Barrel
15:41.48Jormungandrit just let me in finally.
15:42.01larslSometimes it'll kick you out in the middle of an update.
15:42.11Jormungandr~secretplace
15:44.10clickanyone posted to the boards about this?
15:44.20clickpeople should be informed
15:44.45JormungandrI just discovered it this morning, basically.
15:45.25Jormungandrbecause I've not been paying much attention.
15:46.07clickseems like it's been around for awhile, underground.. and people are talking about a working shell exploit
15:46.35Jormungandrthankfully I run my bzfs in a sandbox
15:46.54larslclick: What people?
15:47.51larslpatlabor221: What do the '+' signs mean in messages on bzbb?
15:48.19patlabor221+ ?
15:48.27patlabor221where?
15:49.06larslBelow the name.
15:49.18larslNot everyone seems to have it.
15:49.41larslSome are grey, some are grey/blue.
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15:51.29TTT_hi there
15:51.33TTT_une Q.
15:52.53TTT_may bzfs is behind firewall
15:53.12Jormungandrit doesn't handle that well
15:53.41Jormungandryou can set firewall to forward the packets, but there have been mixed (mostly bad) results.
15:54.01TTT_yes
15:54.35TTT_i have exported UDP and TCP packets but no result
15:54.42TTT_some tips
15:54.57Big_Barrelhello :)
15:55.00Big_Barrelcu
15:55.39JormungandrI have no suggestions.  my server is not behind a firewall, so I don't have experience with that setup.
15:55.56JormungandrI just know that many people fail at trying.
15:56.01patlabor221I had to set my machine as DMZ to get it to work
15:56.06TTT_ok thanks for help
15:57.58TTT_yes DMZ is possible solution
16:01.10JormungandrI have a similar feeling.
16:02.22patlabor221*sigh* the universe does not seem to want me to hear this song in it's entirety
16:05.23Jormungandrsomeone needs to give merrie a reality check
16:05.45*** join/#bzflag michaelh2 (Mouse@191-223.dynamic.visi.com)
16:06.06Jormungandrshe responded to my server sticky announcement with "why did you do that to dave?"
16:06.57*** join/#bzflag hinman (~qmailr@kunde0126.trondheim-sentrum.alfanett.no)
16:07.27larslDave?
16:07.54patlabor221he chose to stop being an admin
16:07.56michaelh2Dave?
16:08.25larsl~secretplace
16:08.28Jormungandrnod.
16:08.59JormungandrI didn't do anything to him.  Which is why merrie needs a reality check.
16:09.16larslI got a "hostname lookup timeout" for secretplace.
16:09.22larslWorked on second try, though.
16:09.24michaelh2I added the "admin" with your arrow keys patch
16:09.34hinmanwhat is this i hear about a "bzdeath" exploit?
16:09.43michaelh2except it includes every possible key :)
16:09.52larslTime for some functional analysis. =P
16:10.14Jormungandrnew server code is not happy.
16:10.24Jormungandrlarsl... it changed IP numbers yesterday.
16:10.33michaelh2at least it includes every function that's in the current server and all the normal features-- lagstats idlestats, report etc......
16:10.51Jormungandrbut the ttl is set to only 600 seconds, so it should be propagated... and old ip is still cool.
16:11.55Jormungandrhrm... new cvs is doing a lot of kicking for being too fast.
16:12.03michaelh2You'll be proud of me I stuck string streams into the string tokenizer didly
16:12.06patlabor221I just wish Chikorita would start typing understandable
16:12.07michaelh2does that to me too
16:13.15larslJormungandr: Maybe your server was the last haven for speedcheaters. =)
16:13.31michaelh2One funny thing is I used "strcmp (message, "You are now an administrator!") == 0) to know that the user should be allowed admin functions and it actually works
16:13.43patlabor221what does the log show for thre speeds?
16:14.09Jormungandrtank too fast (tank: 37.499977, allowed: 26.250000
16:14.34michaelh2just needs a higher threshold don
16:14.37michaelh2't you think
16:14.37patlabor221hmm you allow +v?
16:15.01Jormungandrwhich is +v?
16:15.08Jormungandr<--- spacey right now.
16:15.09patlabor221high speed
16:15.17Jormungandrhrm.
16:15.20JormungandrI didn't think so.
16:15.26patlabor221then that is a cheat
16:15.33patlabor221if you do, then it is the bug.
16:15.45Jormungandrno +v
16:16.05patlabor221then there should be no way for a player to get over 26.5
16:16.19patlabor221someone is trying to cheat and say they have high speed ( 37.5)
16:16.35Jormungandrah
16:16.40patlabor221so in your case its working
16:16.55patlabor221there is a problem on servers that allow +v, when you drop it
16:17.17michaelh2I can get booted off my own localhost without any +v :)
16:17.19Jormungandrmy server still seems to be screwed up for some reason.
16:18.26patlabor221michaelh, maybe it knows you are cheating :)
16:18.28Jormungandrwell, I don't have -fv, so it must have velocity flags.
16:18.38patlabor221ahh
16:18.51michaelh2so it knows I will cheat before I even do huh? :)
16:19.03patlabor221should make the speed bump paramater an option
16:19.07Jormungandrso it's a bug with high speed flags ?
16:19.11patlabor221and default it to something REALY big
16:19.21patlabor221there are various issues with the speed kick
16:19.36patlabor221since the speed isn't actulay sent to the server
16:19.36Jormungandr~secretplace
16:19.40michaelh2Usually when people cheat with speed it is extreme
16:19.51patlabor221and it's calced by the client.
16:21.55patlabor221yeah that's why it shoudl be set initaly to like 100
16:22.05patlabor221and then server ops can lower it based on there needs
16:23.03Jormungandrit's a pain the backside to have to keep tweaking server code just to keep people on the server.
16:23.11patlabor221very
16:23.28JormungandrI guess I could -fv
16:25.07JormungandrI've already killed the server twice this morning, and had it die a third time.
16:25.32patlabor221what does the DOS thing actualy do?
16:26.23Jormungandrwell, the thing that I see is NR and a lot of things were people can't kill others, etc... and it even crashed it once.
16:27.22patlabor221it has to be filling a buffer
16:28.05Jormungandrhrm
16:28.13Jormungandrwhich -f is high speed?  HS?
16:28.41patlabor221I thought it was V
16:29.25Jormungandrme, too... but I got an error.
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16:29.58Jormungandrnevermind
16:29.59Jormungandrfixed
16:30.35JormungandrI did -F instead of -f  :-P
16:31.29patlabor221silly case sensitive stuff
16:33.45Jormungandr:)
16:34.13Jormungandrhopefully some fixes for these issues can be implemented quickly.
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16:35.09sn0w_m0nkeyhi all
16:35.15Jormungandrat least I'm not seeing a bandwidth hit with this bug.
16:35.19sn0w_m0nkeyany admin for turkey server here?
16:35.22Jormungandrhi s_m
16:35.52sn0w_m0nkeycheater there needs removal
16:36.15dougheckathe browser
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16:44.20Jormungandrhas anyone mentioned the bugs on the boards at all?
16:47.10patlabor221I have not seen so
16:49.07Jormungandroh, C++ is also an admin on secretplace, pat.  and scipio and myself.
16:50.18dougheckawhy isnt C included?
16:50.19doughecka:)
16:50.30dougheckaand perl and python and...
16:50.48patlabor221cus you know none of those.
16:51.34Jormungandr:)
16:53.32JormungandrI also think that people's dns servers haven't caught up with the new IP, even though the TTL on the server is set to 600 seconds.
16:54.22JormungandrI don't show anyone connected to the old IP though.
16:54.31jeremypSome DNS servers don't honor short TTLs
16:55.03Jormungandrnod
16:57.52Jormungandrwow... my monitor bot on my irc server autobans open proxies.
16:58.00JormungandrI didn't know that :)
16:59.07dougheckalol
16:59.11dougheckaso does freenode
16:59.35Jormungandrlearn something new every day.
16:59.39Jormungandr:)
16:59.52doughecka:P
17:00.25patlabor221how does it know its an open proxy?
17:00.43dougheckait port scans it
17:00.49Jormungandrnod
17:00.59dougheckafreenode portscans each and ever person who connects to the server
17:01.01Jormungandrit only scans standard ports.
17:01.07dougheckayea
17:01.27patlabor221then how does cell get in on his proxys?
17:01.50dougheckahm
17:01.55dougheckathey arnt open I guess
17:02.01dougheckahe has a user name or somethin
17:02.17patlabor221perhaps
17:02.51Jormungandrthe more I think about it, the more I think cell is spoogebob.
17:02.57Jormungandrjust my opinion.
17:03.00Jormungandrmight be worthless.
17:03.03dougheckaI dont hink about it :P
17:03.05dougheckathing even
17:03.16dougheckathink.
17:03.58patlabor221he may be
17:04.13patlabor221don't rightly care tho
17:04.31Jormungandrnod
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17:17.35Big_Barrelanyone want a match  ????
17:17.41Jormungandrmaybe I should take the server down for 48 hours or so. maybe things will be improved once stuff settles.
17:17.41dougheckano.
17:17.51dougheckaJormungandr: dont give in! :P
17:17.56Jormungandr:)
17:18.06Big_Barrel*
17:18.13Jormungandras long as people don't mind being on a crappy working server.
17:18.13Big_Barrelwe want a match :(
17:18.21dougheckawhy not ban the offending ip?
17:18.26dougheckaon the linux side?
17:18.42Jormungandrdunno what ip it is.
17:18.52dougheckahmm
17:19.00JormungandrI'd have to be able to log on to server and get a current list of user's ips.
17:19.09JormungandrI suppose I could do it the hard way.
17:19.12dougheckayea
17:19.17dougheckathe hard way
17:19.19doughecka:P
17:20.05Jormungandr~secretplace
17:21.53jraitalahm
17:22.59Jormungandrwell, that's the correct number of users connected according to netstat.
17:23.28dougheckamake a small script that would compare that and the current users, and make a note of it
17:23.33doughecka:)
17:23.37dougheckasmple
17:23.54Jormungandrif I had time to write a script, it'd be simple. :)
17:24.02doughecka:)
17:24.28Jormungandrthe problem I'm currently dealing with is probably related to IP change.
17:24.53dougheckahmm, whyed you change the ip?
17:25.16hardwirebecause
17:25.35hardwireoff to work I go
17:25.43hardwiretata tee tee toe toe
17:25.59dougheckaa horse is a horse because becuase
17:26.03dougheckano wait
17:26.14doughecka;)
17:26.24Jormungandrbecause my ISP got their own alotment of IP numbers.
17:26.32dougheckaah
17:26.33dougheckacool
17:26.34Jormungandrand have to give their old ones back to their ISP
17:26.47dougheckathey did that here too
17:27.30Jormungandrit's annoying.
17:28.18JormungandrI have to go through this huge process of getting my customers to change their dns server info at their registrar.
17:28.27Jormungandris really annoying.
17:28.30dougheckaick
17:28.37dougheckaforgot about that
17:29.41dougheckahis?
17:29.48patlabor221this
17:30.02dougheckaah
17:31.55Jormungandrhrm.. maybe if I change the default gateway on this server.  then I'd probably have to reboot it.
17:32.02Jormungandrwhich might not be a terrible idea.
17:32.18doughecka! its linux, you NEVER have to reboot
17:32.34dougheckaright? :P
17:32.48dougheckaeven if you update the kernel you dont have to :P
17:33.08Jormungandrheh
17:33.15JBDiGrizTry the route command to modify the routing table
17:33.17Jormungandrwell, I'm changing the gateway remotely.
17:33.37JormungandrI can try that, but if it breaks, I gotta drive 10 miles to fix it.
17:33.41dougheckalol
17:33.42Jormungandrand I am at work.
17:33.57JBDiGrizMake sure the entire command is in a script, and doublecheck everything! :)
17:33.58Jormungandrso it'd be easier to make the changes in the network scripts, and reboot.
17:34.33JBDiGrizIt doesn't save the trip if there's a typo in the changes
17:34.39JBDiGrizI've made that error before
17:35.40JormungandrI'm pretty good about not making typos in scripts. :)  I've had to deal with that before, too.
17:35.54JBDiGrizNow I have a dialup into my home network as well
17:35.56*** join/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p509134F3.dip.t-dialin.net)
17:36.07JBDiGrizIt gives me a backup route when I need it.
17:36.07strayerhi all...
17:36.15Jormungandrmy servers are colocated across town.
17:36.37Jormungandrhi strayer
17:36.46dougheckamy server is colocated in tampa
17:36.47doughecka:P
17:36.51doughecka1000 miles away
17:37.13JBDiGrizDo you handle all of the systems admin?
17:37.26dougheckawell, no
17:37.27doughecka:)
17:37.31dougheckaonly the web stuff
17:37.36dougheckaits a shared web server
17:38.13JBDiGrizI would definitely set up a secondary route if I had to manage that one! :)
17:38.23dougheckaheh
17:39.52dougheckathat was quick
17:40.00larslHm, the list server won't list my address.
17:40.49[dmp]hi strayer
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17:40.58patlabor221doug you don't have a real webserver
17:41.53dougheckayea yea :P but it allows me to change alot of things on it
17:42.06patlabor221but you don't do anything with it
17:42.28patlabor221cept maybe find ways to hook your zarus into it.
17:42.59dougheckalol
17:43.22Jormungandrheh
17:43.44Jormungandrhrm. I wish I had some spare cash.. I could get another 120gb drive and put it in my server.
17:43.55patlabor22190$
17:44.00Jormungandrnod
17:44.12JormungandrI have to wait until the dust settles from my payday spending to see what's left.
17:44.19dougheckalol
17:45.50Jormungandractually, my checkbook says "no more spending for 2 weeks" :)
17:45.57larslWhat's the default value for the -publiclist option to bzfs?
17:46.01Jormungandrand it should be fairly close.
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17:46.20patlabor221the server you mean?
17:46.24larslYes.
17:46.51patlabor221think it pulls it from bzflag.org/list-server.txt by default.
17:47.38Jormungandrdo you have -publicaddr specified?
17:47.53larslYes.
17:48.22Jormungandryou behind firewall?
17:48.51larslNo. Well, I am, but it's on my computer and it has worked before.
17:48.56Jormungandrhrm.
17:49.08larslIt works now - I gave it the -publiclist in bzflag.org/list-server.txt.
17:49.20Jormungandrcool
17:51.31*** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p509134F3.dip.t-dialin.net)
17:52.33larslTime for food and functionals.
17:53.10Jormungandrtaking the bzfs down for now.
17:53.16Jormungandrit's pretty unusable.
17:53.53patlabor221Has Tim said anything about this issue?
17:55.47Jormungandrhaven't heard anything.
17:55.55Jormungandrbut I think I might know who is doing it.
17:56.11JormungandrJB3H3G3GSWFG3GSFWWVG5
17:56.21Jormungandrnot on as a play.. prolly an observer.
17:56.26Jormungandrit's probably a script.
17:56.37patlabor221it would have @
17:56.44patlabor221if it was objs
17:57.40Jormungandrhrm.
17:58.13patlabor221problably set it'self below the world
17:58.18patlabor221or outside
17:58.32Jormungandrit's like it was a stuck client...
17:58.37Jormungandr<PROTECTED>
17:58.38Jormungandr<PROTECTED>
17:58.51Jormungandrshows it there, then says "no players"
17:59.08patlabor221odd
17:59.32JormungandrI'm leaving it off for now.  I'll reboot the machine later today, and see if the routing fixes things.
18:04.40dougheckanoooo, not mode A10!
18:04.52Jormungandr:)
18:05.12*** kick/#bzflag [doughecka!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (inintating mode A10)
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18:05.23Jormungandrsnort
18:06.01patlabor221wanna see A15?
18:08.28dougheckacan the xbox boot without a tv hooked up?
18:11.21patlabor221sure
18:11.48patlabor221it dosn't even know one is hooked up, its just a composite signal
18:11.55dougheckacool
18:12.24patlabor221you can't plug any real devices into it untill you get adapters tho
18:12.36dougheckalike monitors/
18:12.42patlabor221no like keyboards
18:12.48patlabor221it dosn't have a vga out
18:13.05dougheckaI thought it was usb
18:13.12patlabor221it is usb
18:13.21patlabor221but it's not the normal whimpy conector
18:13.30dougheckaah, just an adaptor from the funny thing to standard
18:13.35patlabor221yes
18:13.37dougheckacool
18:13.47patlabor221there conector is beefy
18:13.50patlabor221and sends more power
18:13.53dougheckaah
18:14.04dougheckafor rumble packs and stuff
18:14.06patlabor221for all those motors and stuff in the controllers
18:14.08dougheckaforce feedback :)
18:14.16patlabor221there are no "rumble packs"
18:14.23patlabor221everycontroler has it built in.
18:14.26dougheckayea
18:14.35patlabor221there are also mem cards and stuff
18:14.43dougheckaah, cool
18:14.56patlabor221you gonna get one?
18:15.06dougheckano
18:15.09dougheckawell
18:15.21dougheckamaybe, if I can use it as a standalone fileserver
18:15.23patlabor221it's cheaper to get a real PC
18:15.32dougheckaits small :P
18:15.39patlabor221get a small case
18:15.43patlabor221we sell small cases now
18:15.51dougheckaquiet
18:15.59*** part/#bzflag jeremyp (~jeremy@moya.trilug.org)
18:16.11patlabor221throw a low speed durron in there and you don't need a fan
18:16.14dougheckaI want something that can run 24/7 without noise and messing with it
18:16.24dougheckaand no monitor
18:16.31patlabor221computers can do that
18:16.46dougheckaand no keyboard
18:16.53dougheckalike, power and ethernet
18:16.57patlabor221computers boot with no computers
18:17.18dougheckathey give errors dont they?
18:17.25patlabor221you will spend nearly 300 on geting an x-box moded
18:17.34dougheckawow
18:17.34patlabor221it's bios configurable
18:17.57patlabor221betweent he box, the adapters, and the modchop
18:18.02patlabor221modchip
18:18.21patlabor221then you have to flash the bios and get it all working.
18:18.27dougheckaand install linux
18:18.31patlabor221and it only takes 1 drive
18:18.38dougheckayea
18:18.41doughecka+ harddrive
18:18.45dougheckabigger
18:18.50patlabor221no I mean 1 hard drive total
18:18.59patlabor221you have to pull the old one
18:19.09patlabor221and you can't pull or replace the dvd drive.
18:19.11dougheckayea, but thats more money.. a bigger drive
18:19.16patlabor221yeah
18:19.21dougheckahm
18:19.33patlabor221wheny ou can get a desktop case for like 20
18:19.36dougheckaI have a boat load of 300 mhz cellys here..
18:19.51patlabor221300a cips?
18:19.58dougheckaumm, I think so
18:20.00dougheckaa few are
18:20.05patlabor221OC them them to 450
18:20.05dougheckaand I have the mobos
18:20.14patlabor221AT or ATX?
18:20.26dougheckaATX I think
18:20.35dougheckaATX is with lots of pci slots right?
18:20.37patlabor221then get cheap desktop cases
18:20.46dougheckaall I need is powersupplys
18:20.46patlabor221ATX is the power connector
18:21.03dougheckayea, its ATX
18:21.22patlabor221so get some desktop cases
18:22.01dougheckahmm
18:22.02dougheckaand ram
18:22.14patlabor221ram is cheap
18:22.20dougheckaand drives
18:22.30dougheckahrm
18:22.47dougheckaor one drive, for a huge fileserver :)
18:23.40patlabor221ohh and X-boxes are realy picky on the CDRs they read
18:23.45dougheckaoh?
18:23.50patlabor221REALY pikcy
18:23.53dougheckahehe
18:25.04patlabor221I don't think I'll put linux on mine till there are harware drivers
18:25.21dougheckalike, 3d stuff :P
18:25.28patlabor221like any
18:25.33dougheckahaha
18:25.33patlabor221now there is nothing
18:31.25patlabor221gahhh I just can't get my head around this terrain stuff.
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20:16.14dougheckalol
20:17.03Jormungandrsome people get carried away.
20:17.15Jormungandrnot me :) :) :) :) :D
20:17.18patlabor221like set a point value to each smiley, and allocate a max smily total for each user
20:17.34patlabor221cus some are more anoying then others.
20:17.34Jormungandrhahahahaha  good idea.
20:19.30patlabor221"we are sorry, you have reached your weekley smily point limit, please get over it"
20:20.48Jormungandrheh
20:22.01patlabor221I wish I knew php
20:24.01larslWow. I just had >1000 ms lag at xmission.
20:24.09larslI usually have ~120 ms.
20:24.26patlabor221probably colerterol.
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20:26.20larslI'm having problems connecting to bzbb. Sometimes it works fine, sometimes it's very slow, and sometimes it doesnt
20:26.23larslwork at all.
20:26.58larslLike now. =P
20:27.54JBDiGrizIt's up, I can connect
20:28.04bzgirlworks for me
20:28.17patlabor221it allways works for me
20:28.23patlabor221:)
20:28.25larslHm. My spam filter proxy seems to block it.
20:28.29bzgirlheh
20:28.43larslAd filter, I mean.
20:28.47patlabor221odd
20:29.23patlabor221dosnt' like the domain?
20:29.39larslI'm not sure...
20:30.03patlabor221I thought it was a good domain name :(
20:31.14JBDiGrizCan you check your ad filter?
20:31.22patlabor221least I didn't register it thru the same money grubing bastards I registerd artemisgames thru
20:31.59Jormungandrheh.
20:32.29patlabor221had to give them $50 to get the domain back up
20:32.48JormungandrI'm in the process of transferring 2 of my domain names from a cheap registrar to some money grabbing bastards (netsol).  
20:33.24patlabor221I am trying to get all of mine transferd to the same registrar (godaddy)
20:33.40patlabor221they allways seem to be helpfull
20:33.52JBDiGriznetsol has always worked for me, they don't charge me for anything besides registration
20:34.01Jormungandrsomeone mentioned godaddy, but I've been at netsol so long, it'd be hard to change.
20:34.38Jormungandrbesides, I gotta protect my NIC handle :)  have had it since 1993, and it's only 4 characters.
20:35.07patlabor221they are nice, and they just charge for the registration, all the other stuff is optional.
20:35.15Jormungandrnod
20:35.18patlabor221and they make transfers easy
20:35.24Jormungandrthat's cool.
20:35.31patlabor221artemisgames.com is presently wiht enameco
20:35.33patlabor221and they SUCK
20:35.45JormungandrI'm a netsol vip customer, so the support is better than average.
20:35.56patlabor221coo
20:36.15patlabor221I have never needed to do antying that I can't do on godadys online system tho
20:37.13Jormungandrdunno why I'm vip... I only have 8 domains registered with them.
20:38.07Jormungandrthen again, I'm tech contact for another dozen or so.
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20:41.50JBDiGrizWhat's the benefit of being a vip customer?
20:42.13Jormungandrthey have a seperate support number, and they are doing some new online interfaces to make things easier.
20:42.24Jormungandrthose are due out in june.
20:42.39JBDiGrizThe current online interfaces work well for me
20:42.43Jormungandrsame here
20:42.56JBDiGrizThey are far better than those email forms!
20:43.00Jormungandrit's mostly hype and marketing.
20:43.01Jormungandrnod
20:43.11Jormungandrthose were too much crazy!
20:43.18Jormungandrbut I got good at them after a while.
20:43.30Jormungandrnow I kinda miss them. :(
20:44.20JBDiGrizYou're crazy! I got fairly good at them as well, but I don't miss them!
20:44.30Jormungandr:)
20:45.01Jormungandrwell, when they first started doing web interface stuff, it was actually easier, when things didn't work on the web, to just use the forms.  
20:45.56JormungandrI gotta have a party in phoenix in october for 10 year anniversary of my first domain. :)
20:46.04dougheckalol
20:46.05JBDiGrizI didn't try the early web interface, I was used to the forms, and I only manage two domains
20:46.36hinmansomeone just demonstrated a working shell exploit for bzflag <= 1.7g0 and cvs on a channel on undernet, thougt you all should know
20:47.17patlabor221joy
20:47.29JBDiGrizDid they get shell on the server?
20:47.29dougheckashut down the list serv!
20:47.30doughecka:)
20:47.44patlabor221doug be serious
20:47.44hinmanyes
20:47.45dougheckawhat channel?
20:47.55patlabor221mail what you know to tim.
20:48.10hinmanI will, brb.
20:48.13Jormungandrwell, looks like we will be down longer than 24 hours.
20:48.42patlabor221well this is a good way to get G2 out the door, and to force everyone to update :)
20:48.47Jormungandrnod
20:48.47dougheckalol
20:52.32patlabor221wonder how it works on a winderz server
20:57.04prot-workits so weird to have software distributed on dvd
20:57.15Jormungandrmine is in a chroot as well, but I'm also concerned that someone can get out of the chroot, or plant a screwy library... if I KNOW there is a shell exploit, it'd be unwise to just let it go, especially when I know my server has already been part of a DOS attack.
20:57.20prot-workstick the disk in the drive, see "1.18GB" and hyuk
20:57.31dougheckaprot-work: hehe
20:57.33Jormungandrheh
20:57.59Jormungandrafk for a few.
20:58.50larsl1.18 GB of software?
20:58.55prot-worklarsl: apparently
20:59.02dougheckaof what?
20:59.02doughecka:)
20:59.13prot-workdvd crap
20:59.19dougheckaheh
20:59.27patlabor221.net comes on DVD now
20:59.31patlabor221it's farkin huge
20:59.46prot-workthis setup is lookin' so good
20:59.47patlabor221so does all the current MSDN stuff
21:00.36dougheckahaha
21:01.34larslpatlabor221: What are the "hidden forums" on BZBB?
21:01.48dougheckalarsl: if he told you, he would have to kill you
21:01.56doughecka:)
21:02.14JBDiGrizOne comment about secret forums and everyone's worried ;)
21:02.54JBDiGrizI would worry more about patlabor getting a hip replacement!
21:04.01patlabor221there are acutaly a number of hiden forums
21:04.19patlabor221BZ Admins
21:04.22patlabor221BZ Banlists
21:04.31patlabor221whoots
21:04.37larslDid you say banlists?
21:04.41patlabor221there are also some cop ones
21:04.44patlabor221and some others
21:04.58patlabor221bannins for EVERYONE !!!!!!! :)
21:05.16patlabor221there is also the ever popular "hidden-test" one
21:06.07prot-workhidden-test?
21:06.56patlabor221yeah
21:07.15patlabor221I should probably kill it
21:07.29patlabor221since it was just a test to make sure hidens worked
21:08.22prot-workman
21:08.24prot-worki love discreet
21:09.22patlabor221the 3ds max people?
21:09.32prot-workyep
21:09.45patlabor221that know how to rake in the money
21:11.29prot-workthat they do
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21:31.37larslBZBB is rendered funny by Konqueror. The form buttons are white with white text. =P
21:33.47patlabor221what theme?
21:34.07larslDefault.
21:34.27larslIt's OK, though - when I press the buttons, I see the text.
21:34.34patlabor221the blue one
21:34.37patlabor221odd
21:34.43patlabor221try subSilver
21:36.49larslThat works - it has black text on the form buttons.
21:44.20*** mode/#bzflag [-b *!*@*.midco.net] by patlabor221
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21:44.47creeperzThanks
21:45.03patlabor221just be good.
21:45.22creeperz| #bzflag technical support consulting: $75/hour + minimum 2 hr commitment??  What's up wid dat?
21:46.24patlabor221just as it says
21:46.30creeperzSee yu all later
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21:46.47plzdonthello
21:46.48creeperzSo
21:47.00creeperzYou actually have to PAY for help??
21:47.05creeperzOR is it a joke?
21:47.28creeperzI hope it's a joke :-)
21:47.41larslIt is.
21:47.54creeperzOk :Ok ;-)
21:48.04creeperzI need to go now
21:48.12plzdontbye
21:52.27plzdontok, why is there no banach space with an enumeratable infinite vectorspace basis?
21:53.04patlabor221pardon?
21:53.13larslCell?
21:53.17patlabor221yup
21:53.41plzdonthello together
21:53.42patlabor221why shoudn't we?
21:53.56plzdonti behave
21:53.59plzdontnice
21:54.05plzdontpromise
21:54.10patlabor221I think your past that point
21:54.52plzdontkick:)
21:55.05prot-workplzdontkick: you've made that promise about 15 times now
21:55.21*** kick/#bzflag [plzdontkick!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (oppz)
21:55.32patlabor221damn banna peels
21:55.40patlabor221musta slipped
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21:55.53plzdontkicksorry
21:56.04plzdontkicki will behave
21:56.15patlabor221after all you have done, why should we care?
21:56.26plzdontkickcause u are nice
21:56.37patlabor221no, not realy, that's just an act.
21:57.16patlabor221interesting you would come here today too.
21:57.24plzdontkickwhy?
21:57.36patlabor221hackin scripts get booring?
21:57.54plzdontkickwhat scripts?
21:58.10plzdontkicki dont hack anything
21:58.31patlabor221that is a contradiction, for a know cheat maker
21:58.34plzdontkicki am just to stupid for hacking :(
21:58.48patlabor221well you are stupid
21:58.54plzdontkickyes i know
21:59.04patlabor221but what have you come here to talk about today?
21:59.19dougheckahacking bzflag servers?
21:59.23plzdontkickno
21:59.48plzdontkickjust wanted to see if something is new
22:00.02dougheckawell, ur hack is new
22:00.05patlabor221ahh, more iniane babble then
22:00.12plzdontkickwhat hack?
22:00.40patlabor221well if you didn't make it, I'm sure you don't need to know then.
22:00.51plzdontkickright
22:00.58plzdontkicki dont care about hacks
22:01.05plzdontkickthey dont interest me
22:01.07patlabor221sure you don't
22:01.27patlabor221so what have you come here looking for?
22:01.33plzdontkicki have a math test tomorrow, that is more interesting
22:02.03patlabor221ahhh yes the failing out of your university.
22:02.10plzdontkickyes
22:03.08plzdontkickdo you know Boney M?
22:04.00prot-workso...why exactly are you here?
22:04.02patlabor221well I don't see you adding anything to this here channel, and you do know your welcome has been long worn out. It's not about being good, it's about history. so I'll just take care of this.
22:04.12plzdontkickplz
22:04.14patlabor221he's geting baned
22:04.21patlabor221plz what?
22:04.26plzdontkickplz let me in
22:04.27prot-worki don't know how he keeps getting un-banned
22:04.43Jormungandrtim will clear bans on occasion
22:04.47patlabor221why cell, why should we, after all you do, all you say
22:04.49prot-workplzdontkick: why? all you do is come here, spout some off-topic crap, maybe start cursing at people...
22:04.55patlabor221whyat could you posibly do here?
22:05.03plzdontkicki will not do that again
22:05.09patlabor221heard that before
22:05.13Jormungandra lot of times
22:05.16patlabor221what can you add?
22:05.18dougheckatoo many times
22:05.20patlabor221what can you DO?
22:05.20Jormungandryou'll never change
22:05.22plzdontkicki know now how to use irc
22:05.27plzdontkicki did
22:05.43prot-workplzdontkick: thats not an excuse for being an ass
22:05.49plzdontkickyou can ask me c++
22:06.01plzdontkickif you like
22:06.02patlabor221what can you tell us that a simple look up can not?
22:06.05plzdontkicki can help
22:06.15patlabor221noone trusts you
22:06.25plzdontkicki know, sorry
22:06.29patlabor221all your bridges are burned
22:07.12plzdontkickbut i love bzflag
22:07.21patlabor221no you don't
22:07.27patlabor221you have said you don't care about it
22:07.35plzdontkickabout hacks, yes
22:07.49plzdontkickbut not about the game itself
22:07.50patlabor221no, if you cared about it you wouln't go round vengance cheating.
22:08.09plzdontkicki dont would do that now
22:08.26patlabor221no way to trust you.
22:09.06prot-workplzdontkick: you've said before that you would never cheat again, and then after you got me sufficiently pissed off to ban you, you went back to it immediately
22:09.19plzdontkickno
22:09.23prot-workthat one example shows exactly how much your word means
22:09.25plzdontkickhow do u know
22:09.26patlabor221I bet he will go cheat now when we ban him this time.
22:09.35plzdontkickno
22:09.36patlabor221we know lots of things
22:09.42patlabor221many things are loged all over the place.
22:09.46plzdontkickit was not me
22:09.50Jormungandrwe're only as half as stupid as we look
22:09.53patlabor221no way to trust you.
22:09.59plzdontkickplz
22:10.03prot-workplzdontkick: logged in as 'cell' with your client coming from t-dialin? i doubt it was chestal or tea
22:10.05patlabor221actualy we are only as half as stupid as he looks
22:10.18patlabor221again cell what can you add?
22:10.29plzdontkicki can help with math for bzflag
22:10.34plzdontkickask me
22:10.34patlabor221or have all the other channels baned you too
22:11.25prot-workplzdontkick: linear algebra is trivial.
22:12.01patlabor221it's not like anyone who is doing coding can't figure it out.
22:12.03plzdontkickyes but what about solution of diff equations for rigid bodies
22:12.10plzdontkickits little more diff
22:12.13patlabor221BZ dosn't use rigid bodies
22:12.22plzdontkickit was an example
22:12.27patlabor221so was mine
22:12.32plzdontkickok
22:12.45patlabor221just being here for "math help" is not enough based on your past
22:13.01patlabor221and your usualy wrong anyway
22:13.04prot-workespecially considering we all have fairly solid backgrounds in mathematics
22:13.11plzdontkickok i can help with models
22:13.15plzdontkickmaybe
22:13.16patlabor221and those stacks of books
22:13.21patlabor221BZ dosn't use models
22:13.32plzdontkickit does not?
22:13.36patlabor221no
22:13.47patlabor221you don't even know the code do you?
22:13.48plzdontkickit will, maybe in the near future?
22:13.56prot-workplzdontkick: not unless someone implements it
22:14.03plzdontkickah
22:14.04patlabor221you gonna implement it?
22:14.14plzdontkicki dont know if i have enough time
22:14.37patlabor221yeah failing classes takes time.
22:14.42plzdontkickyes
22:15.04plzdontkickthat does not imply that i failed a class .)
22:15.04patlabor221so where is your game?
22:15.17prot-workwhich one?
22:15.20plzdontkickits on ice
22:15.34patlabor221pig screwing in the winter?
22:15.36plzdontkicki have no times for it right now
22:16.03patlabor221so you don't have time for anything but you want to come in here and babble about things that noone understands?
22:16.06plzdontkickno kikinoziariki
22:16.15plzdontkickis the game title
22:16.38dougheckanothing on google
22:17.05plzdontkickits a phantasy word i thought up when i was 8 :)
22:17.26dougheckadoes this channel have voice?
22:17.30patlabor221well I would sugest that if you don't have time for us, that you go back to what ever is taking up your time, and know that there is NO way you will ever get back in.
22:17.47patlabor221if it did, do you think this would be hapening doug?
22:17.48plzdontkicki have time, but not as much as i want
22:17.48prot-workplzdontkick: can i make a suggestion?
22:17.51plzdontkickcurrently
22:18.12patlabor221I think you should cap
22:18.22patlabor221free spech and all that
22:18.23plzdontkickprot-work:sure
22:18.55prot-workplzdontkick: if you want back in, do something for bzflag - submit some *USEFUL* patches (meaning things that need to be done, like making it use models, or rigid body physics), and then, after (and only after) you've proven that you can do more than ramble, we'll let you stay here
22:19.12patlabor221and on that note
22:19.18*** kick/#bzflag [plzdontkick!~jeffm@208.48.199.214] by patlabor221 (patlabor221)
22:19.41patlabor221hmmm what is the best way to banify?
22:19.44patlabor221just his IP?
22:19.51patlabor221or akick?
22:19.59dougheckaeverything with kick
22:20.09patlabor221akick bans too
22:20.21patlabor221be cool if you could do complex booleans in the ban
22:20.22prot-workcould akick everything at dip.t-dialin
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22:20.37patlabor221that would get chestal and tea
22:20.46dougheckachestal is at the uni
22:20.49prot-worki don't think chestal connects here from home
22:21.03prot-worki think he connects to his uni machine w/ screen
22:21.37patlabor221how does one manualy set a ban?
22:21.49patlabor221<PROTECTED>
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22:22.04*** mode/#bzflag [+b *!smxxx@p50803B47.dip.t-dialin.net] by patlabor221
22:22.08patlabor221ahh there we go
22:23.10bzgirlhi, do you guys know anything about the exploit (supposedly) in bzfs that allows a client to get a shell on a unix server? was posted on bzbb
22:23.14prot-workhe can just change his username
22:23.21prot-workbzgirl: link me?
22:23.27bzgirlk..one sec
22:23.37larslbzgirl: Just rumours so far... I've seen the program that can crash bzfs though.
22:23.57*** mode/#bzflag [-b+b *!smxxx@p50803B47.dip.t-dialin.net *!*@p50803B47.dip.t-dialin.net] by patlabor221
22:24.20prot-workpatlabor221: now he can just get a new IP :P
22:24.29patlabor221yeah I know
22:24.36patlabor221I'm still thinking
22:24.47prot-workbzgirl: what forum is it un
22:25.09bzgirlhttp://bzbb.bakadigital.com/viewtopic.php?p=5256&highlight=#5256
22:25.30patlabor221bzgirl, I think some people are changing there BZFS to run in a chroot prision thinngys
22:25.56bzgirli can chroot bzfs?
22:26.17larslbzgirl: You have to setup a chroot environment manually.
22:26.27larslAnd start bzfs from inside it.
22:26.34bzgirli cant deal with crackers, i know squat about secutity and will have to turn off my servers
22:26.35prot-worki don't see why not - you'd need to hardlink the libraries into the environment
22:26.45bzgirlhmm
22:27.07bzgirllarsl: chroot tutorials are abundant?
22:27.29prot-workgah, i wish people wouldn't suggest there are security vulnerabilities without providing stack traces & logs >:P
22:27.44bzgirlyeah i pm'd him to ask for details
22:27.49patlabor221somone said they saw it demonstraited
22:28.25larslbzgirl: Yes, you should be able to find one with Google.
22:29.10prot-worki'm also unsure how it would happen - bzfs is pretty solid in terms of never doing unsafe things with buffers
22:29.10larslbzgirl: Basically you just copy the programs and libraries you need into the prison, create /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow.
22:30.09prot-worki suppose an off-by-one is possible but not bloddy likely
22:30.35larslYes, I'm not believing it until I actually see it for myself.
22:34.12prot-workand...it froze
22:35.09JBDiGrizI was looking through the source for anything obvious
22:35.24JBDiGrizI didn't see any exec, system or forks in the server code
22:35.48larslThere is a popen() in CVS.
22:36.01larslBut that wouldn't affect g0.
22:36.03prot-workexec/fork isn't necessary with buffer overflows
22:36.35larslHow would someone get from a simple buffer overflow to shell access?
22:38.03prot-worklarsl: they put shellcode on the stack, and then the address of that code in the saved IP bytes
22:39.10larslWhat saved IP bytes?
22:39.53prot-workwhen a function is called, part of the stack frame is the old EIP to jump back to when the function returns
22:40.24larslAh, OK.
22:40.42patlabor221I would think it shoudn't be too hard to make the server clamp it's reads to the buffer.
22:40.52prot-workthe issue is writes to buffers
22:41.00prot-workand i don't see how one could affect that
22:41.28prot-worksince bzfs only reads the amount of data from the socket as necessary
22:43.56JBDiGrizThat popen seems to be tied to the report command from the user
22:44.28larslYes.
22:44.40larslIt prints a message to a pipe.
22:45.27JBDiGrizI'm looking for the definition of reportFile
22:45.50larslIt's in clOptions.
22:46.00Jormungandrdoes anyone have a huge channel scrollback?
22:46.17larslOnly from this morning.
22:46.38Jormungandrcan you find that guy's nick that came in and said he saw the exploit on a channel in undernet?
22:47.02prot-worki need this drive
22:47.04prot-workNEED
22:47.06prot-workNEED
22:47.07larsl--> daleth (~chrisk@moya.trilug.org) has joined #bzflag
22:47.34larsl<daleth> Howdy.  I just got e-mailed a copy of bzdeath.c, a DOS for bz servers.
22:47.37JBDiGrizIt was hinman that claimed to have seen the exploit
22:47.42Jormungandrah
22:47.45larslOh, that one.
22:48.06prot-worklarsl: did this daleth fool give us a copy?
22:48.09larsl--> hinman (~qmailr@kunde0126.trondheim-sentrum.alfanett.no) has joined #bzflag
22:48.16larslprot-work: Yes, I have one.
22:48.20larslChestal got one too.
22:48.22prot-worklarsl: dist to me?
22:49.37larslDCCing it... do you get it?
22:49.57Jormungandrhrm. how much can you trust someone who logs on using the qmailr account?
22:49.59Jormungandr:)
22:51.34prot-worklarsl: DCC it to captain_proton, not prot-work
22:51.54larslDone.
22:52.41prot-workcool, i'll take a look at it tonight
22:53.12larslChestal said that it might be enough to disconnect a user as soon as a malformed message is received.
22:53.30dougheckacould you email it to me?
22:53.44prot-workdoughecka: what possible use could you have for it?
22:53.53dougheckableh
22:54.23dougheckaprot-work: nothing, I just want to look at this code
22:55.08prot-workdoughecka: you don't know C, what use would it be? there is no reason to dissemenate malicious code to people, especially when the bug hasn't yet been fixed
22:55.52dougheckaI wont share it, I just want to take a peek at it
22:56.02JBDiGrizLook up denial of service attacks on the net, it will give you plenty of information
22:56.17JBDiGrizThey're not particularly interesting, and a real pain to deal with
22:56.25prot-workdoughecka: you can take a peek at this specific code once the bug has been fixed, ok?
22:57.29prot-worktime to go home
22:57.36dougheckalol
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23:05.43creeperzHeh
23:05.54creeperzCell just never quits huh? :-)
23:06.01Jormungandrnope
23:06.23creeperzWell, I need to open up my PC and use my very versatile "CAN-OF-AIR"!
23:06.38creeperzIt's called "Blow Off"
23:07.00creeperzWell, I'm getting a new computer next month or so
23:07.17creeperzI'll give y'all the specs when I return if interested
23:10.00dougheckaAre we Interested?
23:10.16Jormungandronly if he's handing them out :)
23:10.26dougheckahehe
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