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00:55.59michaelh2m00000000000000000000000000000000
01:21.12dougheckahrm
01:21.19dougheckaNoodleman: when you movin?
01:21.24dougheckato louisville? :P
01:22.37Noodlemandoughecka: probably evansville, in :-)
01:22.47Noodlemanbut keep your fingers crossed :-)
01:22.50dougheckalol
01:23.06dougheckahmmm
01:23.26dougheckalike... crosscompiling an app for my zaurus
01:23.28Noodlemancompiling what?
01:23.30dougheckaand it needs a linux box
01:23.31Noodlemanah
01:23.38dougheckahttp://cqinet.sourceforge.net/
01:23.43Noodlemanyou could try compiling it on noodleroni.com
01:23.44michaelh2I have a box that had Suse in it
01:23.49dougheckayea..
01:23.54dougheckaI would
01:23.56dougheckaI should try
01:24.02michaelh2I could send you the cardboard.....
01:24.06captain_protondoughecka: this isn't #helpdougwithhisZ
01:24.21dougheckacaptain_proton: indeed
01:24.23michaelh2I'm sorry doug that product is not supported by us
01:24.47michaelh2sniff
01:25.14michaelh2anyone want to give admin powers so I can go kicking and banning people?
01:25.23dougheckano,
01:25.27Noodlemanhehe, i wish ;-)
01:25.44dougheckahmm, Noodleman: will noodleroni open RPM files?
01:26.02michaelh2so ban ips come in the form x.*.*.* or x.x.*.* etc?
01:26.13Noodlemandoughecka: installing rpm now...
01:26.20dougheckahah, thx
01:26.25captain_protonmichaelh2: yep
01:26.37Noodlemandoughecka: should work now
01:26.49dougheckaok
01:27.07dougheckahmm
01:27.18dougheckaI hope I dont have to modify anything
01:27.42dougheckagcc-cross-sa1100-2.95.2-0.i386.rpm (gcc compiler for ARM architecture)binutils-cross-arm-2.11.2-0.i386.rpm (binary utilities for ARM architecture)glibc-arm-2.2.2-0.i386.rpm (GNU C libraries for ARM architecture)linux-headers-arm-sa1100-2.4.6-3.i386.rpm (linux header files for ARM architecture)
01:27.49michaelh2it's curious but that really is not as fine as a person could be right, since a persons network might be defined by say the last 4 bits, right? :)
01:27.58michaelh2or 12 ?
01:28.17Noodlemandoughecka: debian is noodleroni, so it can't install rpms, but it can read them
01:28.27dougheckaoh
01:28.35doughecka:)
01:28.49dougheckaso what would I do with these?
01:29.15captain_protoninstall them on your local linux machine? :)
01:29.24dougheckaI dont want to reboot
01:29.31captain_protondoughecka: ugh
01:29.33dougheckaNoodleman: http://docs.zaurus.com/linux_compiler_setup_howto.shtml
01:29.41dougheckacaptain_proton: takes DAYS to come back up
01:29.43captain_protondoughecka: stop being so whiny
01:29.50captain_protonso fix it
01:30.16dougheckacaptain_proton: ur out of classes now right?
01:30.17captain_protonyou're running windows, its impossible that you don
01:30.22captain_proton't reboot every once in a while
01:30.23captain_protonyep
01:30.35dougheckaah.
01:33.07Noodlemaninstalling cross-compiler for debian
01:33.17dougheckahmm?
01:33.20dougheckayou found one?
01:33.22dougheckasweet
01:33.24Noodlemanyup
01:33.52dougheckahopefully, I wont need Qtopia installed
01:34.05dougheckamaybe it will compile like a good little app
01:35.44Noodlemannope, it's not meant to be :-/
01:35.51dougheckaoh?
01:36.51*** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) | it could be a beaker full of death || bzbb & netscape 4: extra special wideload ass++ with a cherry || #bzflag technical support consulting: $75/hour + minimum 2 hr commitment
01:36.55captain_proton!topic rehash
01:37.06captain_proton~topic rehash
01:37.07*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) | it could be a beaker full of death || bzbb & netscape 4: extra special wideload ass++ with a cherry || #bzflag technical support consulting: $75/hour + minimum 2 hr commitment
01:37.14captain_protonfuh
01:37.23dougheckait takes awhile
01:47.13michaelh2can you % a negative #
01:47.30michaelh2is 4 % -2 == 0 ? :)
01:47.40michaelh2I guess not
01:48.15michaelh24 % -2 is -2 isn't it
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03:38.06TimRikeranyone tried the server list cache patch? how does it show player counts etc?
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05:43.30learnerhello
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06:38.01learnergood night to all and to all a good night -- I go sleep now
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12:10.43dougheckagreetings
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12:28.31rootererror on line 1; close to "hello"
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13:45.50[dmp]hi Big_Barrel
13:47.38Big_Barrelhi dmp
13:47.51Big_Barrelthat was a great match yestarday!
13:47.57Big_Barreli was just telling root about it
13:49.28[dmp]yeah, was really close
13:49.33[dmp]you guys had a nice comeback.
13:49.52[dmp]you gained 1 point from us.. I guess thats plenty for you guys - after all, its was you 100th match :)
13:50.05[dmp]next time, we wont be that polite :)
14:00.09Big_Barrel:)
14:00.22Big_Barreli want to play a match with bomber sometime
14:00.35Big_Barrelmaybe against TLZ or moles
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14:12.36Chestaldid I hear 'Moles'?
14:12.51Chestalwho was playing in yesterday's HoW-TDS match?
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14:18.20Big_Barrelcalico and dmp  vs  freelancer and big barrel (me)
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14:25.53[dmp]and man, i was sleepy today :)
14:26.04[dmp]gotta go to bed early :)
14:36.28Big_Barrel:)
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14:42.36Chestalhi Tim
15:01.56Big_Barreldoes timriker play bz?
15:02.02Big_Barrellol
15:02.28Big_Barrel~ducati6
15:15.31[dmp]Chestal: have you taken care of legolas password problem?
15:17.21rooterSo... why is ducati named ducati?
15:17.39rooteris Ches a motorcycle fan?
15:20.15larsl~xmission
15:20.17Chestalno, and no
15:20.17ak|rahe is tea-fan :)
15:20.26ChestalI wasn't even aware of Legolas' problems
15:20.33larslS.M.D,B is killing teammates and taking his flag into enemy territory.
15:20.43dougheckahahhaa, smart guy
15:20.47dougheckaer
15:20.49dougheckabaad
15:22.25[dmp]Chestal: Ok, i'll help the poor guy then :)
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15:30.20bzgirlhi ak|ra
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15:32.24bomber~ducati6
15:34.41ak|rahi babe :)
15:35.14rooterak|ra: i've tried that approach... it doesn't work
15:35.37ak|raif a mole and an akira saying this its kind different
15:35.53rooterlol... true... good thing i'm not a mole
15:36.32dougheckayehaw
15:36.47dougheckawhen it works, that is
15:37.21ak|ra:)
15:38.09[dmp]hi rooter
15:38.23[dmp]too bad you wasnt available for that match :)
15:43.44larslHmm, I've seen two cheaters from the same Canadian ISP on the same server during the last week.
15:48.29bzgirlcanadians are avid cheaters by nature
15:48.40bzgirl;-)
15:48.42ak|ra:)
15:48.43dougheckabzgirl: thats from a canadian too
15:48.45dougheckawow
15:48.51dougheckagoing agaist ur own people
15:48.56dougheckawhats the world coming to?
15:49.01bzgirlwas joking doug
15:49.13dougheckaso was I
15:49.20bzgirlits you americans i worry aobut :)
15:49.37larslIt's two different dialup IPs, so it's probably the same person.
15:49.55dougheckaWe (hic) dont have anything to worry about!
15:50.26bzgirl:)
15:54.02larslSmarter bots would be nice though. As long as they don't cheat. =)
15:54.17dougheckayea
15:54.19larslCould be an interesting summer project.
15:54.27dougheckalarsl: patches welcome
15:54.36dougheckapersonally this summer I will be making money
15:54.40larslI've actually taken a class in machine learning - I'm not sure how to aply it though.
15:54.45larslapply.
15:55.04larslUgh. I will be spending money. =)
15:55.53dougheckalol
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16:46.48dougheckaho patlabor221
16:47.56ak|rahi patty
16:48.16patlabor221sup
16:57.27bzgirlcu all
16:58.39ak|ra2:)
16:58.49ak|rada rood is a woamaaaan :)
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17:01.43michaelh2countdown has arguments doesn't it?
17:02.12michaelh2as in /countdown
17:03.59JormungandrI really hate IP renumbering. :(
17:04.08Jormungandrit didn't used to michael
17:04.14Jormungandrdunno about current version.
17:04.37michaelh2hmmm so perhaps some fancy people changed it to allow a reset?
17:04.59Jormungandrthere was talk.
17:06.13JormungandrI've all but given up on bzflag.  I'm down to one server running, and waiting for some level of admin control without a graphical client.
17:06.52JormungandrI don't get a lot of chance to play anymore.
17:07.04michaelh2you mean some text based / remote control...
17:07.06michaelh2of the server?
17:07.08Jormungandrnod
17:07.18Jormungandrso I can watch logs, and ban people, etc, from work.
17:07.28michaelh2It would require a bit more work than you might think
17:07.48michaelh2but it would be interesting to do
17:08.08Jormungandrpeople have looked at it and all but given up.
17:08.32larslI wonder if the easiest thing would be to take the existing client and rip out all the graphics code, or simply start over from scratch.
17:08.33michaelh2Could do something really simple like open up a socket and just get and send text messages
17:08.43michaelh2from server
17:08.45Jormungandrnod
17:09.12michaelh2could be like BZFTP protocol :)
17:09.33michaelh2I did my ftp client, so I'm familiar with that sort of protocol
17:09.43Jormungandrnod
17:09.52JormungandrI really like providing a server.
17:10.04michaelh2which one is it?
17:10.09Jormungandrit takes almost a T1 of bandwidth, which I pay for.
17:10.11patlabor221you are talking about making like an admin port on the server?
17:10.11Jormungandrsecretplace
17:10.21michaelh2yes
17:10.29Jormungandr~secretplace
17:10.32larslWe already have a protocol - we would only need a text-based client, and hack the server so that admin connections don't show up as players.
17:10.40patlabor221why not just make something that logs in, and just ignores the pos updates.
17:10.54patlabor221make it log in as an objserver, hell
17:10.58patlabor221no need to hack anything
17:11.00michaelh2Because it is annoying......
17:11.09michaelh2I was only mentioning it as an idea
17:11.14patlabor221so are most things in life :)
17:11.30michaelh2the thing about it is that is bypasses all the crud you have to deal with otherwise....
17:11.48patlabor221yes, it also lets you log in if the server is full
17:11.52patlabor221I had thought of the samet hing
17:12.10michaelh2and we already have a whole command set and parsing in the form of /commands
17:12.19patlabor221yes
17:12.24patlabor221it's just more changes to the server
17:12.34patlabor221and hopes that one does not break it.
17:12.48michaelh2that wouldn't be cool would it
17:12.50michaelh2:)
17:12.51patlabor221the text client has the advantage of working with any server.
17:13.00patlabor221even old ones
17:13.13michaelh2True
17:13.18patlabor221and could even be done in perl or python or what have you.
17:13.24michaelh2ick
17:14.14michaelh2It's just when I look at the code, it starts to become a bit mind-bending when I try to figure out how to do it
17:14.14Jormungandrbrb.
17:14.36michaelh2I probably need to read and understand the net code a bit better
17:17.13patlabor221making an admin port, you still need to know how the net code works, you jsut get to send your own messages.
17:17.34michaelh2a simple text protocol isn't hard to understand
17:17.51michaelh2(for example)
17:18.33michaelh2but I think you're right about a simple text based client
17:25.16patlabor221I don't think BZs binary messages are that hard to understand. and I think the text is just sent TCP
17:26.57dougheckayehaw, system 7.5 on my zaurus
17:29.39*** topic/#bzflag by patlabor221 -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) | it could be a beaker full of death || #bzflag technical support consulting: $75/hour + minimum 2 hr commitment || This is not #zarus
17:29.58dougheckahah, in thousands of colors too
17:29.59*** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ || http://bzbb.bzflag.org (forums) | it could be a beaker full of death || #bzflag technical support consulting: $75/hour + minimum 2 hr commitment || This is not #zarus
17:42.30ak|raChestal: da?
17:42.37Chestalak|ra: jo
17:42.51michaelh2nyet!
17:43.01dougheckaand sound too :P
17:48.27michaelh2I just got sound working when I updated to suse 8 -- cheap yamaha sound card...
17:48.38michaelh2in linux that is
17:56.30larslThe distributions have improved hardware support and autodetection a lot the last few years.
17:57.09michaelh2still sounds a bit crappier than in windows for some reason
17:57.15michaelh2w/ bzflag that is
17:57.32michaelh2I know it's hardly a great sound card to begin with -- bought it for $15 :)
17:59.06ak|raChestal: ich geh jetzt rueber innen pool und bin fuer ne trainingseinheit available :)
18:00.05michaelh2ich weiss was Sie sagen
18:00.11michaelh2nicht........
18:02.07Chestalakira: bin noch beschäftigt hier
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18:07.13Secret_Hamsteranyone here use a joystick on linux?
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18:08.03ak|raich auch noch fuer sekunden
18:16.03michaelh2are all you guys doing irc from work? :)
18:18.21larslFrom home right now, actually.
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18:19.27michaelh2I wouldn't even dare that... unless I like owned the company :)
18:20.32Secret_Hamstermichaelh2: as long as your not hurting anyone why not.  surely it's the same as using MSN Messenger
18:21.55michaelh2well sure it is .. but geez some companies throw people out the door for anything
18:22.14michaelh2it's not that I see something wrong with it -- just what some companies are like about it
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18:23.56Secret_Hamsteryea some companies are twitchy. if people are not pulling there weight then thats fine.  if they are harming no-one why not
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18:59.21bzfrankhi
19:01.01prot-workahh...acceptably spicy lunch
19:01.20bzfrank*munch*munch*
19:02.04prot-workYAY IT BOOTED
19:02.48prot-worker...i think it booted
19:04.09bzfrankyour lunch? *eg*
19:04.16prot-workno, this evil win2k box
19:05.24prot-workyou happen to remember how to boot 2k into safe mode?
19:05.59bzfrankf5 or f8?
19:06.06bzfrankat startup
19:06.16bzfrankI can never remember which one ;)
19:08.46Chestalhi bzfrank
19:08.47Chestalf8 I think
19:08.54Chestalnactualyl, quite sure it was f8 for win98
19:08.56bzfrankhi chestal
19:09.38bzfrankchestal - if you want to see the curent p2501 version, heck out the forum. I just posted a link to the public test version.
19:09.44Chestalbut it's never safe to book 2k ;-)
19:10.00ChestalI never tried a version of it yet
19:10.13Chestalwould have to install it at home,I guess it won't work nicely with software rendering?
19:11.01prot-workChestal: better to boot 2k than NT4
19:11.26Chestalprot: and way easier on current hardware I guess
19:11.33bzfranknope, software rendering is NOT supported ;)
19:12.08Chestalbzfrank: well, it will run, won't it? So I'd say it's supported ;-)
19:12.20Chestaluhoh
19:12.25bzfrank2 fps
19:12.28bzfrankat most :)
19:12.52Chestalwell, I'm off, cu
19:13.15bzfrankcu
19:14.41bzfrankI am also off, some coding awaits...
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23:28.40patlabor221the matrox has you.
23:28.54prot-workindeed
23:29.05prot-worki try to go to "software updates" to get drivers for this monster
23:29.09prot-workand they want you to register
23:29.11prot-workok, thats fine
23:29.13patlabor221what card is it?
23:29.15prot-worki go to register
23:29.25prot-workand they want the serial number of EVERY SINGLE FLIPPIN PIECE
23:29.34patlabor221damn
23:29.42prot-workso i rip it apart, end up listing 9 numbers, and put it back
23:29.51patlabor221like there drivers can do anything with out there hardware.
23:30.11prot-workits a digisuite (quad PCI + separate add-on bus + external video stuff)
23:30.40patlabor221again, and how do the drivers work with out the cards? like someone is gonna pirate them.
23:30.54prot-workyou can't do a freakin thing without the hardware
23:31.12prot-workand with hardware this complex, its not like someone is going to reverse-engineer the card by disassembling the drivers
23:31.56prot-workbut if this machine boots on its own now i'm gonna dance
23:33.27patlabor221congrats
23:33.37prot-workit only took 2 full days of work
23:35.59prot-workwh00t
23:36.02prot-workso pretty
23:36.12prot-work2048x768 across two LCDs for the moment
23:41.36ak|rapatlabor221: from what?

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