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| 02:23.05 | michaelh2 | one of my redhat disks was fubared until I did a full erase ..... |
| 02:23.51 | michaelh2 | does anyone know how much space the redhat 9 takes up roughly? I need to plan my partitioning..... |
| 02:24.00 | captain_proton | depends what you install |
| 02:24.07 | captain_proton | could probably get it down to 200M |
| 02:24.16 | captain_proton | or less |
| 02:26.00 | michaelh2 | speaking of the standard / developer kind of things.... |
| 02:26.27 | captain_proton | i'd give yourself at least 5G for / & /usr |
| 02:26.28 | captain_proton | if not more |
| 02:26.37 | michaelh2 | haven't actually run the install program and I have no documentation :) |
| 02:27.52 | michaelh2 | that's interesting, since I have a suse 6 version at 1.5 gigs -- most of everything I need :) |
| 02:28.01 | michaelh2 | probably old I suppose |
| 02:28.16 | captain_proton | depends if you like to install crap or not |
| 02:28.33 | captain_proton | i don't like being restricted on what i install |
| 02:28.41 | captain_proton | one thing you might consider doing is installing into LVM |
| 02:28.46 | captain_proton | so you can resize things later on if you want |
| 02:28.52 | michaelh2 | LVM? |
| 02:29.04 | captain_proton | linux volume manager |
| 02:29.08 | captain_proton | redhat has it now |
| 02:30.04 | michaelh2 | I imaged my old linux system w/ ghost .. got it all stuck on one cd... kind of cool |
| 02:34.57 | michaelh2 | how much space would a minimal windows 2000 or Win Xp take up? |
| 02:35.06 | michaelh2 | just curious |
| 02:35.21 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:35.35 | michaelh2 | I am pondering A+ certification so I can feed myself better.... |
| 02:35.58 | michaelh2 | might have to install some of these os's I have never really used much |
| 02:36.16 | michaelh2 | pondering it at least until I can get a real job |
| 02:37.26 | michaelh2 | of course it will be easier for me to install since I don't have the multi-gig volume of porn that many tech people have ..... |
| 02:39.09 | captain_proton | certs don't mean anything :P |
| 02:42.34 | michaelh2 | they do to companies that pay people rather poorly and hire people with no experience :) |
| 02:43.05 | michaelh2 | I wouldn't do it for the glory of having certifications |
| 02:43.06 | captain_proton | heh, sort of true |
| 02:43.45 | michaelh2 | I might wind up working for CompUsa for a bit of time |
| 02:43.49 | captain_proton | i have a friend who does IT for a small surplus company and he feels sad turning away people who come by with their MS certs thinking they know everything |
| 02:44.07 | captain_proton | compusa wouldn't call me back last summer :P |
| 02:44.16 | michaelh2 | and if I get A+ (and only if) I might get into a tech job |
| 02:44.35 | michaelh2 | I need to break into the IT field somehow...... |
| 02:44.55 | michaelh2 | hmmmmm.. You mean as a student? |
| 02:45.01 | michaelh2 | Good luck as a real employee :) |
| 02:45.13 | captain_proton | heh |
| 02:45.26 | michaelh2 | Been next to impossible to get a real job at my U.... but I never worked very long as a student there |
| 02:45.48 | michaelh2 | plus everyone is hacking budgets and all |
| 02:46.37 | captain_proton | true |
| 02:47.06 | michaelh2 | which is? |
| 02:47.31 | captain_proton | for the summer, working on fixing a lot of bugs with a video/media/conference system |
| 02:47.43 | michaelh2 | software ? |
| 02:47.50 | captain_proton | software/hardware |
| 02:48.08 | captain_proton | its all controlled via these AMX boxes that run some software custom to the setup |
| 02:48.09 | michaelh2 | sounds interesting... I haven't yet been able to get into *any* kind of real software position |
| 02:48.29 | captain_proton | but we have things like projectors turning on randomly :) |
| 02:48.40 | michaelh2 | cool |
| 02:49.21 | captain_proton | not cool, when the bulbs cost $700 =) |
| 02:49.22 | michaelh2 | how convoluted is their code? |
| 02:49.27 | captain_proton | but fun work |
| 02:49.31 | michaelh2 | Is it some huge mess? :) |
| 02:49.31 | captain_proton | and spagetti code |
| 02:49.34 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:49.41 | captain_proton | in a crappy language |
| 02:49.43 | michaelh2 | Is it running on Pc's? |
| 02:49.53 | michaelh2 | custom language? |
| 02:49.58 | michaelh2 | custom os? |
| 02:50.06 | captain_proton | its this embedded system made by AMX |
| 02:50.24 | michaelh2 | I've always thought that would be kind of interesting ..... embedded things |
| 02:50.39 | michaelh2 | is it assembler? Or C or something? |
| 02:50.55 | michaelh2 | or like those |
| 02:51.08 | captain_proton | its like some bizzare algamation of basic and fortran |
| 02:51.22 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 02:51.23 | captain_proton | amalgamation* |
| 02:52.59 | captain_proton | but its a nifty challenge |
| 02:54.07 | michaelh2 | people and their crappy little custom languages |
| 02:54.37 | captain_proton | there's nothing these boxes interface with that really requires embedded hardware |
| 02:54.55 | captain_proton | makes me wish we had little linux boxes running python |
| 02:55.54 | michaelh2 | you know.. here I am trying to figure out procmail... why is it that the people that create the software do the worst job of explaining how to use it? :) |
| 02:56.23 | captain_proton | because they already know what to do |
| 02:56.29 | michaelh2 | heh |
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| 04:25.03 | Noodlebot | captain_proton: :-P |
| 04:25.25 | captain_proton | Noodlebot: thats what #noodlebot is for :P |
| 04:25.45 | Noodleman_ | i'm sorry, i forgot about that |
| 04:26.27 | Patlabor221 | heh need to move the # ? :) |
| 04:26.36 | Noodleman_ | i forgot to move the # |
| 04:26.38 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
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| 05:12.57 | MrApathyCream | lua, fooey ...bots should be written in whitespace |
| 05:13.01 | MrApathyCream | http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/whitespace/ |
| 05:14.20 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: =) |
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| 15:00.06 | creeprzz | And this Java applet sucks :-) |
| 15:00.43 | creeprzz | Please unban me |
| 15:01.22 | creeprzz | Well, I need to get to fixing some things |
| 15:01.24 | creeprzz | See yu |
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| 18:28.06 | rbergero | okay... stupid question. where is the chatbox? how do I type stuff in it? |
| 18:28.37 | Patlabor221 | hit n |
| 18:28.42 | Patlabor221 | then type |
| 18:28.44 | Patlabor221 | then hit enter |
| 18:29.09 | rbergero | ah. |
| 18:29.12 | rbergero | thanks |
| 18:29.55 | Patlabor221 | sure |
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| 20:37.25 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 20:38.08 | Patlabor221 | how do you feel about non square worlds? |
| 20:38.14 | captain_proton | i like |
| 20:38.34 | Patlabor221 | I think it can be done as a drop in |
| 20:38.46 | captain_proton | explain |
| 20:39.08 | Patlabor221 | just a replacement of CWorld |
| 20:39.20 | Patlabor221 | and one more peice of data in CBaseObject |
| 20:40.19 | Patlabor221 | a variaion of my 2.5d portal system would work |
| 20:41.15 | captain_proton | when you say non square, do you really mean non convex in 3space? |
| 20:41.52 | Patlabor221 | right now the world is a bounded 2d rectangle that you have to be in |
| 20:42.00 | captain_proton | right |
| 20:42.24 | Patlabor221 | I mean changing it to be a series of conected concvex polygons |
| 20:42.41 | Patlabor221 | that each have a floor and ceiling height |
| 20:42.44 | Patlabor221 | or no celing |
| 20:42.46 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 20:43.23 | Patlabor221 | full 3d portals would be posible |
| 20:43.28 | captain_proton | i'd prefer more of an "arena" feel |
| 20:43.29 | Patlabor221 | just harder to edit |
| 20:43.44 | Patlabor221 | you could still do an arena |
| 20:43.54 | Patlabor221 | but it would not have to be square or flat |
| 20:43.56 | captain_proton | when you said non-square, i thought you meant a circular arena |
| 20:44.09 | Patlabor221 | with this you could make a hex |
| 20:44.16 | captain_proton | circle? |
| 20:44.28 | Patlabor221 | the code I have wants line segements |
| 20:44.50 | Patlabor221 | tho you could make it more curved with wall geometry replacements |
| 20:45.29 | Patlabor221 | and the modification I have in mind would let it have no ceiling, and short walls to give that "outside" feel |
| 20:45.59 | Patlabor221 | and you can still put boxes and stuff in the world |
| 20:46.30 | Patlabor221 | but it's just something I have been pondering |
| 20:47.03 | captain_proton | i think that might give too much of an FPS feel to it |
| 20:47.38 | Patlabor221 | if someone made a tight map, yeah |
| 20:48.11 | captain_proton | it could be cool, but iff we had terrain ;) |
| 20:48.43 | Patlabor221 | terrain brings all sorts of changes to gameplay elements |
| 20:48.50 | captain_proton | such as? |
| 20:48.58 | Patlabor221 | aiming up and down |
| 20:49.12 | Patlabor221 | I worked on a terain tank game |
| 20:49.16 | Patlabor221 | had issues |
| 20:49.17 | captain_proton | not really |
| 20:49.19 | Patlabor221 | big time issues |
| 20:49.26 | captain_proton | the hover system can make it flatish |
| 20:49.49 | Patlabor221 | if you do that then someone is on a hill in front of you, then you can't hit them |
| 20:50.30 | Patlabor221 | I'm not saying there isn't a way to make it work, it just takes some more planing |
| 20:50.32 | captain_proton | i don't mean flat as in horizontal (like pyrimids in bz) |
| 20:50.50 | Patlabor221 | so then your vertical aim is tied to your local depth rotation |
| 20:50.51 | captain_proton | i mean flat as in parallel to the ground |
| 20:50.59 | Patlabor221 | that's what the game I worked on did |
| 20:51.10 | captain_proton | i don't see how that creates issues |
| 20:51.21 | captain_proton | its a little more complicated than flat ground |
| 20:51.22 | Patlabor221 | you turn to line up a shot, and your efective Z changes |
| 20:52.03 | Patlabor221 | basicly if you tilt the tank and don't allow the gun to tilt, you limit fire to the plane of the poly the tank is on. |
| 20:52.24 | Patlabor221 | geting that plane to intersect another tank can be a pain |
| 20:52.45 | Patlabor221 | I should send you the game I worked on |
| 20:52.59 | Patlabor221 | did have a neat deformable terain system.' |
| 20:53.28 | Patlabor221 | but to get it playable they had to add a bit of "guidance" to every shot type |
| 20:54.45 | Patlabor221 | I would realy like to have terrain |
| 20:55.07 | Patlabor221 | I have an idea how it may be able to work, but it would require a turret |
| 20:56.10 | captain_proton | :P |
| 20:56.21 | captain_proton | turrets won't work in a game like this |
| 20:58.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah I know |
| 20:58.34 | Patlabor221 | there may be one way if you just allowed small vertical aiming |
| 20:59.34 | Patlabor221 | bit it involves most people giving up mouse conrtoll for movement |
| 21:00.04 | Patlabor221 | would make it fun with a single stick and throttle tho |
| 21:00.35 | Patlabor221 | basicly, mouse does turning and vertical aim. keys do forward backward movment, and maybe a side step |
| 21:00.45 | captain_proton | uff |
| 21:01.18 | captain_proton | would work beautiously with two stick :) |
| 21:01.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah that too |
| 21:02.12 | Patlabor221 | tho most people would not mind the mouse/keys thing with all those mad FPS skills |
| 21:02.22 | Patlabor221 | and it would work well on most modern console controlers |
| 21:02.29 | captain_proton | <-- no mad fps skills |
| 21:02.55 | Patlabor221 | but you have 2 sticks |
| 21:03.00 | Patlabor221 | so you'll be fine |
| 21:03.05 | captain_proton | indeedy |
| 21:03.38 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice to be able to jump these thigns off of terrain :) |
| 21:04.01 | Patlabor221 | the portal system could me made to support cells with heightfields |
| 21:04.26 | Patlabor221 | so you could have an open bounded field, with closed inside bases. |
| 21:04.48 | Patlabor221 | or like a tunnel that went under stuff |
| 21:06.18 | captain_proton | heightfields don't really do tunnels that well |
| 21:06.40 | Patlabor221 | the tunnels aren't int he same cell as the heightfield |
| 21:06.43 | Patlabor221 | it's a hybrid |
| 21:08.57 | Patlabor221 | it would be able to eficently do a number of types of worlds. |
| 21:08.59 | captain_proton | wheeeee |
| 21:09.03 | captain_proton | i get a raise |
| 21:09.15 | Patlabor221 | curent BZ style worlds would be just a big ass cell |
| 21:09.16 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 21:09.25 | Patlabor221 | $5 an hour? :) |
| 21:09.31 | captain_proton | hah |
| 21:09.34 | captain_proton | now its 8 |
| 21:09.48 | Patlabor221 | big time moola |
| 21:09.50 | captain_proton | (pretty good, considering i'm working for a dept that has no money) |
| 21:10.17 | Patlabor221 | who pays you? |
| 21:11.32 | Patlabor221 | well it's time to go install a water heater |
| 21:11.41 | Patlabor221 | I will coninue to ponder worlds |
| 21:11.56 | Patlabor221 | just the current box thing is kinda booring |
| 21:12.12 | Patlabor221 | even adding arbitrary geo. it's still limiting |
| 21:12.25 | captain_proton | CS dept |
| 21:12.28 | Patlabor221 | and it won't let me jump off something shouting "wahhhooooooooooo" |
| 21:13.14 | captain_proton | i really like the idea of a circular arena |
| 21:13.24 | Patlabor221 | as do I |
| 21:13.41 | Patlabor221 | but then it would be nice to be able to have any shaped arena |
| 21:13.52 | Patlabor221 | I will ponder4 |
| 21:14.11 | captain_proton | see yas |
| 21:24.20 | scanline | yikes |
| 21:25.24 | captain_proton | hiya scanline |
| 21:25.47 | scanline | hi |
| 21:25.54 | scanline | 20G backups |
| 21:25.57 | scanline | 364G public |
| 21:26.00 | scanline | :) |
| 21:27.59 | [dmp] | hmm |
| 21:28.02 | [dmp] | "ERROR Error during conversion: No error" |
| 21:28.05 | [dmp] | Aha. |
| 21:28.37 | [dmp] | I wish my compiler was like that |
| 21:28.45 | doughecka | wow, smart puter, the error says it has no error.. |
| 21:28.53 | scanline | hmm |
| 21:29.18 | scanline | 19 of the 20GB in /navi/backups is from the automatic backup of /home/* into /navi/backups/navi-home/ |
| 21:29.27 | doughecka | scanline: why doesnt the lastest Open zaurus come with picogui? |
| 21:29.32 | doughecka | latest even |
| 21:30.02 | scanline | doughecka: because you've been too lazy to fix the build system, fix the power management bugs, and update the packages! get to work! |
| 21:30.18 | doughecka | haha |
| 21:30.30 | doughecka | well, opie is good for now |
| 21:30.31 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:30.50 | scanline | I haven't used my zaurus in a while.. so I've had zero motivation to maintain anything for it |
| 21:30.58 | doughecka | lol |
| 21:31.05 | scanline | though after I finish this new build system for picogui I'd like to test it on a bunch of platforms, including the zaurus |
| 21:31.16 | doughecka | ah |
| 21:31.17 | doughecka | cool |
| 21:31.31 | doughecka | picogui.org seems down... |
| 21:31.40 | scanline | right now with all the autoconf and automake junk it's a pain to cross-compile it |
| 21:31.48 | doughecka | heh |
| 21:31.52 | doughecka | ack |
| 21:31.54 | doughecka | bbl |
| 21:31.58 | scanline | it changed IPs, the new DNS entry needs to propagate |
| 21:32.48 | captain_proton | scanline: sysadmin-stuff? are you feeling ill? |
| 21:32.59 | scanline | =) |
| 21:33.19 | scanline | actually yes... waiting for that 'svnadmin recover' last night made me ill |
| 21:33.23 | scanline | or something |
| 21:33.50 | captain_proton | heh |
| 21:35.29 | scanline | I think I'll just kill that automatic backup thingy... and if anyone has important data in their home directory, tough :) |
| 21:36.03 | scanline | gah,,, |
| 21:36.11 | scanline | brandon's using 4.7G in there? |
| 21:36.23 | scanline | er, 2.9G... ben's using 4.7G! |
| 21:36.51 | captain_proton | i'll need to save about 2 weeks out of every month to cover rent & food after the summer |
| 21:37.12 | scanline | how much are you making now? |
| 21:37.18 | captain_proton | $8 |
| 21:37.30 | scanline | hey.. that's the same as I'll supposedly be making |
| 21:37.40 | scanline | is it full-time? |
| 21:38.12 | captain_proton | yep |
| 21:38.47 | scanline | neat |
| 21:52.31 | scanline | 53GB free on navi now |
| 21:53.15 | captain_proton | wow |
| 21:53.18 | captain_proton | in /navi or elsewhere |
| 21:53.21 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:54.00 | scanline | in /navi |
| 21:54.07 | captain_proton | yay |
| 21:54.27 | scanline | I should add a little CGI script to print out the output of 'df -h' and 'cat /proc/mdstat' |
| 21:54.31 | scanline | hmm... |
| 21:54.38 | scanline | and take a look at this: |
| 21:54.40 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/Zope/site/Recipes/ |
| 21:54.51 | scanline | you can access the Zope site without using the weird port now :) |
| 21:55.02 | captain_proton | whee |
| 21:55.06 | scanline | and I can disable the separate zope server to free up memory |
| 21:56.46 | scanline | oh hmm... |
| 21:57.09 | scanline | maybe the Zope script in cgi-bin connects to the zope server process |
| 21:57.18 | scanline | because it just died when I stopped the separate server |
| 21:57.21 | scanline | bah |
| 21:59.45 | captain_proton | sigh |
| 22:01.47 | scanline | http://navi.picogui.org/cgi-bin/disks |
| 22:02.58 | captain_proton | cute |
| 22:03.10 | scanline | yay for CGI scripts starting with #!/bin/sh |
| 22:04.27 | *** join/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@dialup-64.156.53.133.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:05.43 | larsl | ~xmission |
| 22:06.01 | larsl | Lick My *** is teamkilling and taking the flag to enemy bases. |
| 22:06.23 | captain_proton | ok |
| 22:41.07 | captain_proton | scanline: ugh! |
| 22:41.22 | captain_proton | err |
| 22:41.24 | captain_proton | wait a minute |
| 22:41.27 | scanline | eh? |
| 22:41.58 | scanline | ah |
| 22:42.53 | captain_proton | but then i remembered that they advertise linux support on their page |
| 22:42.54 | captain_proton | :P |
| 22:46.09 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (~Skipp@dialup-64.156.53.133.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:46.14 | scanline | hehe |
| 22:47.58 | captain_proton | weirdo |
| 22:52.51 | scanline | =) |
| 22:53.07 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-199-92.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 22:53.08 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by ChanServ |
| 22:54.55 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: commit the LGENet stuff if you're going to change the SConstruct |
| 22:55.18 | Patlabor221 | I didn't comit it? |
| 22:55.26 | captain_proton | nope |
| 22:55.29 | Patlabor221 | well crap |
| 22:55.31 | Patlabor221 | I meant to |
| 22:55.37 | Patlabor221 | I thought I added it all |
| 22:55.46 | Patlabor221 | maybe I added but forgot to commit |
| 22:55.52 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 22:56.26 | Patlabor221 | crap and the right one is at work |
| 22:56.35 | Patlabor221 | can you just roll back the construct? |
| 22:57.32 | captain_proton | i just changed it locally |
| 22:58.26 | Patlabor221 | heh "unbroke" |
| 23:08.18 | Patlabor221 | I think I need to use this on the boards more. |
| 23:08.18 | Patlabor221 | http://manifestation.org/~ill/images/funny/stupidthreadwarning.gif |
| 23:08.43 | captain_proton | quite |
| 23:12.16 | Patlabor221 | this one is good too |
| 23:12.17 | Patlabor221 | http://manifestation.org/~ill/images/funny/paperclip.jpg |
