| 00:03.25 | Patlabor221 | but then you could blow out your brain by not thinking enough |
| 00:32.59 | doughecka | Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist! |
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| 00:57.51 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 00:57.59 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 00:58.28 | doughecka | nothin |
| 01:27.13 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:28.08 | doughecka | lo. |
| 01:28.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:29.40 | Patlabor221 | you have seen the red vs blue stuff right doug? |
| 01:29.44 | Patlabor221 | please say you have? |
| 01:30.16 | doughecka | one |
| 01:30.23 | Patlabor221 | you should watch the others |
| 01:30.38 | doughecka | hrm |
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| 01:33.00 | doughecka | 'lo fiberhunks |
| 01:34.12 | fiberchunks | lo |
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| 01:40.02 | michaelh2 | boo |
| 01:41.10 | michaelh2 | I'd rather talk to myself than watch the pres..... :) |
| 01:41.36 | michaelh2 | Pres: WE'VE COME TO LIBBBBBBBBBBBBBERRRRRRRRRRRRATEEE YOU.. |
| 01:41.48 | michaelh2 | Me: Oh nooooooooo!!!!!!!!! Ackkkkkkkk! nooooooo !!!!!!! [boom] |
| 01:47.28 | fiberchunks | your head exploded, didn't it ;) |
| 01:47.59 | Patlabor221 | ewwwww goooie keyboard |
| 01:48.12 | fiberchunks | stop huntin for pr0n Patlabor221 ;) |
| 01:48.34 | fiberchunks | actually, stop gooing up your board after finding the pr0n |
| 01:48.37 | Patlabor221 | no, if his head sploided |
| 01:48.46 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 01:49.02 | Patlabor221 | you know that's why they make those fluid proof keyboards |
| 01:49.18 | fiberchunks | heh, the roll up washable kind |
| 01:49.20 | michaelh2 | Didn't you know we are a peace loving nation? That's why we bomb countries to defend peace... |
| 01:49.36 | fiberchunks | heh -- I love republicans |
| 01:49.49 | michaelh2 | Well that line I think goes to GW in particular |
| 01:49.49 | fiberchunks | (having been one before I reached the age of reason, that is) |
| 01:49.54 | Patlabor221 | humans by nature are hypcyts |
| 01:50.11 | michaelh2 | I just think that peace loving != bombing people |
| 01:50.18 | fiberchunks | true enough |
| 01:50.22 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 01:51.07 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 01:51.33 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 01:51.39 | michaelh2 | well I'm not ragging on Republicans -- just think we should call our policies for what they are |
| 01:52.15 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: do me a favor with screamers...have spawn / no kill areas where you can see little movies of guys gettin out of their tanks, smokin a butt, takin a leak, etc (I've always wanted that for bzflag) :) |
| 01:52.23 | fiberchunks | bullsh*t |
| 01:52.39 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:52.48 | Patlabor221 | spawns are explicid |
| 01:53.07 | michaelh2 | moo? |
| 01:53.10 | Patlabor221 | and you could make a no team no entry/shoot regon |
| 01:53.23 | Patlabor221 | and put in animated models of characters doing that |
| 01:53.29 | fiberchunks | right -- so you should have a 'pause' area where you can see a dood doing whatever it is he's really doing (talking on the phone, takin a leak, and so on) |
| 01:53.43 | Patlabor221 | when you pause you go to the menu |
| 01:53.51 | Patlabor221 | you would put it in the map itself and jsut drive in |
| 01:54.12 | michaelh2 | You could make a church or a mosque :) |
| 01:54.12 | fiberchunks | that'd be funny as hell to see a tank go 'mushroom' and a little animated guy get out, hop behind his tank, and see a little stream shoot out from behind the tank |
| 01:54.16 | Patlabor221 | put it all in a no shoot, but pasable invisible box |
| 01:54.41 | Patlabor221 | no, if you made a temple, it would get zellots, then they would kill anyone who thought difrent. |
| 01:54.46 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 01:55.03 | fiberchunks | when the pause menu comes up, have a bunch of options for what type of pause it is |
| 01:55.16 | Patlabor221 | it's the main menu |
| 01:55.28 | Patlabor221 | since the pause part is outside the game logic |
| 01:55.41 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 01:55.49 | Patlabor221 | but you could put it in the map |
| 01:55.57 | Patlabor221 | like a saftey zone |
| 01:56.37 | michaelh2 | It's a bit harder than it seems, because what if someone shoots at it from outside the zone.... |
| 01:57.00 | michaelh2 | You'll have to catch that somehow |
| 01:57.03 | fiberchunks | the little peeing dude jumps up in the air to avoid the bullet :) |
| 01:57.05 | Patlabor221 | if you make the area inside a shot blockable invisible area the shot will hit that |
| 01:57.14 | doughecka | fiberchunks: might get the tank wet |
| 01:57.25 | fiberchunks | yeah -- little pee on the pants and what not |
| 01:57.32 | Patlabor221 | shootable and drive thurable are difrent flags for each object |
| 01:57.36 | fiberchunks | err -- fatigues rather |
| 01:57.48 | michaelh2 | to be gender inclusive -- you'll have to have two peeing modes :) |
| 01:58.33 | fiberchunks | true, but since we're guys (I wager), and I'm a chauvinist... ;) (j/k bzgirl -- we'll put in a pee mode for you women-folk too) :) |
| 01:58.52 | Patlabor221 | pathing them to walk would take a bit of work but it's doable. since they are not game play related, you wouldn't have to server sync them |
| 01:58.57 | michaelh2 | I think I heard somewhere that in tanks guys pee into their helmets and then swing it out the tank |
| 01:59.18 | fiberchunks | what do they do with the helmet afterward? |
| 01:59.21 | fiberchunks | ugh |
| 01:59.23 | michaelh2 | put it back on? |
| 01:59.37 | fiberchunks | lovely |
| 02:00.44 | fiberchunks | just to tangentize things a bit |
| 02:21.16 | michaelh2 | http://www.visi.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~michaelh/polish.cgi |
| 02:29.55 | michaelh2 | sniff .. not impressed with my mighty reverse polish calculator ? :( |
| 02:30.10 | michaelh2 | Testing cgi stuff -- was a college assignment :) |
| 02:30.15 | Patlabor221 | heh, I don't even know revers polish |
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| 02:30.34 | creeperz | I just got creamed in Halo |
| 02:30.40 | creeperz | But it was worth it |
| 02:30.51 | michaelh2 | 1 2 + |
| 02:30.55 | michaelh2 | = 3 |
| 02:31.04 | michaelh2 | 1 2 + 3 * |
| 02:31.10 | michaelh2 | = 9 |
| 02:31.21 | creeperz | I threw a grande in a random direction...just one. It hit my friend in the head |
| 02:31.28 | creeperz | grenade* |
| 02:31.39 | michaelh2 | pop the #s on the stack, if you hit an operand, put two off do operand, push result back on |
| 02:31.50 | creeperz | Hi |
| 02:32.06 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 02:32.10 | michaelh2 | oops push #s, if operand, pop 2 off do comp, push result back on |
| 02:32.16 | Patlabor221 | and why is reverse p better? |
| 02:32.25 | michaelh2 | requires only a stack :) |
| 02:32.32 | Patlabor221 | I have to deal with prefix math at work, it sucks |
| 02:32.38 | michaelh2 | no order of operations |
| 02:32.42 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 02:32.46 | Patlabor221 | tha's right |
| 02:33.01 | michaelh2 | some old calculators used to use I think |
| 02:33.25 | Patlabor221 | HPs do |
| 02:35.13 | creeperz | My stupid shot me point blank with a rocket launcher |
| 02:36.03 | Patlabor221 | your stupid what? |
| 02:36.13 | creeperz | friend* |
| 02:36.15 | creeperz | Oopz |
| 02:42.46 | michaelh2 | I have to send LIST or something to list server to get the list? |
| 02:43.05 | Patlabor221 | I think so |
| 02:43.13 | michaelh2 | or what is the GET thingee |
| 02:43.16 | creeperz | How was your day? |
| 02:43.17 | michaelh2 | to get hte actual list |
| 02:43.33 | michaelh2 | 208.186.182.172:5156 |
| 02:43.51 | michaelh2 | is LIST a http command? |
| 02:44.36 | michaelh2 | I've opened a socket.. nothing coming through (obviously) :) |
| 02:47.10 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:47.17 | Patlabor221 | I don't think so |
| 02:47.27 | Patlabor221 | it may accept a get as well |
| 02:47.39 | Patlabor221 | since it works from a web browser |
| 02:48.02 | michaelh2 | I think it is LIST\n\n |
| 02:48.13 | Patlabor221 | I think BZ sents list, but the server also gets a get |
| 02:48.43 | Patlabor221 | isn't there an example in the php page? |
| 02:51.13 | creeperz | Can someone try out this file and see if there's sound to it? |
| 02:51.17 | creeperz | It's a tutorial |
| 02:51.33 | Patlabor221 | what file? |
| 02:51.43 | creeperz | m4carbine |
| 02:51.48 | creeperz | .wvm I think |
| 02:51.56 | Patlabor221 | where? |
| 02:52.06 | Patlabor221 | we can't read your mind, nor your harddrive |
| 02:52.10 | creeperz | I can DCC it to yu |
| 02:52.30 | Patlabor221 | how large is it? |
| 02:52.36 | creeperz | Not too big |
| 02:52.47 | creeperz | I had to stay in the waiting line to download it |
| 02:52.53 | Patlabor221 | file size? |
| 02:52.59 | creeperz | Umm |
| 02:53.02 | creeperz | Let me find it |
| 02:53.05 | Patlabor221 | I may not be able to DCC |
| 02:53.18 | creeperz | Why not? |
| 02:53.22 | Patlabor221 | and you did a DCC chat not a DCC send |
| 02:53.30 | creeperz | Oopz |
| 02:53.46 | Patlabor221 | cus I don't know how this firewall handles DCC |
| 02:54.29 | Patlabor221 | but you can give it a go |
| 02:54.59 | creeperz | There |
| 02:55.16 | Patlabor221 | how large is it? |
| 02:55.39 | creeperz | 22.7MB |
| 02:56.07 | michaelh2 | yeppers |
| 02:56.10 | michaelh2 | it works |
| 02:56.21 | Patlabor221 | offta |
| 02:56.26 | Patlabor221 | that's gonna take like 30 min |
| 02:56.34 | creeperz | Yes |
| 02:56.35 | Patlabor221 | with your little upload speed |
| 02:56.43 | creeperz | But it will take an hour to get it from the site :-/ |
| 02:56.49 | Patlabor221 | bit larger then "not too big" :) |
| 02:56.49 | creeperz | :-) |
| 02:57.00 | creeperz | I never knew you cared! :-) |
| 02:57.34 | Patlabor221 | about size of a file you are sending me? why would I not care? |
| 02:57.56 | Patlabor221 | it's time |
| 02:58.00 | creeperz | Heh, you're an "unusual" typ-a guy |
| 02:58.05 | creeperz | it's time? |
| 02:58.09 | creeperz | For what? |
| 02:58.20 | Patlabor221 | takes my time to download this |
| 02:58.23 | Patlabor221 | I am not at home |
| 02:58.31 | creeperz | Oh |
| 03:17.15 | michaelh2 | http://www.visi.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/~michaelh/test.cgi |
| 03:17.32 | creeperz | I'm making a cool model right now |
| 03:18.09 | michaelh2 | silly I know, but the example that finds the server names is actually php not perl |
| 03:18.26 | michaelh2 | I only have perl :) |
| 03:19.34 | Patlabor221 | what kind of model |
| 03:19.42 | creeperz | A gun |
| 03:19.48 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 03:19.55 | Patlabor221 | nice cgi there mich |
| 03:20.21 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 03:20.27 | creeperz | Heh |
| 03:20.32 | creeperz | I have to share this: |
| 03:20.43 | michaelh2 | Well you can't see the code :) |
| 03:21.17 | creeperz | In biology class in the high school (my friend told me about this). They all had to swab their mouths and study the saliva and everything |
| 03:21.21 | michaelh2 | Butt-Ugly stats page soon to come :) |
| 03:21.22 | creeperz | There was a girl |
| 03:21.35 | creeperz | There were sperm cells in her mouth |
| 03:21.56 | michaelh2 | to study animal cells -- isn't that an urban legend? |
| 03:22.07 | michaelh2 | vs. plant cells |
| 03:22.24 | creeperz | plant cells are a tad bit more complex than animal cells |
| 03:22.47 | michaelh2 | I just mean that was the experiment more or less |
| 03:22.50 | Patlabor221 | I don't think your little movie has sound |
| 03:22.56 | creeperz | Ahh |
| 03:23.00 | creeperz | That sucks :-/ |
| 03:23.03 | creeperz | But I'm good |
| 03:23.05 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:23.18 | creeperz | I don't even need it now. I'm going by mind. |
| 03:23.20 | Patlabor221 | actualy it has an audio channel but it's empty |
| 03:23.31 | creeperz | How do you know this? |
| 03:23.48 | Patlabor221 | just look at the file properites |
| 03:24.15 | michaelh2 | pat -- how does perl treat files in the CGI situation? If I use a plain old text file and write and read stuff to it, can one instance interfere with another? |
| 03:24.26 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 03:24.30 | Patlabor221 | don't know perl |
| 03:24.38 | michaelh2 | it's so old I know :) |
| 03:24.56 | Patlabor221 | actualy I don't know any scripter langs |
| 03:25.00 | michaelh2 | it's the one thing every ISP gives you |
| 03:25.18 | Patlabor221 | it may wait for the file to become acessable |
| 03:25.30 | Patlabor221 | before it returns from the open |
| 03:25.40 | creeperz | Me, pat? |
| 03:25.54 | Patlabor221 | take a guess |
| 03:26.00 | creeperz | Him |
| 03:26.02 | creeperz | ? |
| 03:26.14 | Patlabor221 | "bingo he can be taught" |
| 03:26.20 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:26.24 | creeperz | I feel speco |
| 03:26.35 | Patlabor221 | like short bus special? |
| 03:26.49 | creeperz | TEENY BUS!! |
| 03:26.52 | creeperz | TEENY BUS! |
| 03:27.20 | creeperz | NER? |
| 03:28.25 | Patlabor221 | damn you are one hella freak, boy. |
| 03:28.53 | creeperz | Waz it to yu! |
| 03:29.01 | Patlabor221 | just a statement |
| 03:29.04 | creeperz | :-) |
| 03:48.53 | creeperz | Pat: Is there a way to "copy" shapes? So you want it identical to it's origional? |
| 03:49.02 | creeperz | Sorta like "cloning" it? |
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| 03:49.33 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's call dupicate |
| 03:49.39 | creeperz | Yea |
| 03:49.41 | creeperz | How? |
| 03:49.42 | Patlabor221 | group them then dupe the group |
| 03:49.48 | creeperz | Oh |
| 03:50.02 | creeperz | How to dupe? |
| 03:50.39 | Patlabor221 | use the dupicate command |
| 03:51.06 | creeperz | Where is that? |
| 03:51.12 | Patlabor221 | edit menu |
| 03:51.16 | Patlabor221 | third item down |
| 03:51.17 | creeperz | Ok |
| 03:51.20 | Patlabor221 | "duplicate selection" |
| 03:51.25 | creeperz | I got it |
| 03:51.27 | creeperz | Thanks |
| 03:54.53 | Patlabor221 | but that would just be silly |
| 03:55.08 | captain_proton | i've done that before |
| 03:56.15 | Patlabor221 | string manip :( |
| 03:56.25 | captain_proton | thats what std::string is for :P |
| 03:56.37 | Patlabor221 | in a DLL |
| 03:56.39 | captain_proton | or else you end up with nightmares like the old address parsing |
| 03:56.40 | Patlabor221 | no templates |
| 03:57.06 | Patlabor221 | I just needed a char for this one thing |
| 03:57.14 | Patlabor221 | then I'm using CStrings |
| 03:57.31 | Patlabor221 | similar features to std::strings |
| 03:57.44 | Patlabor221 | and all the CInet stuff takes CStrings :( |
| 04:00.42 | Patlabor221 | thing that sucks is the sheer amount of fields it takes to post a freakin e-bay auction. |
| 04:06.03 | michaelh2 | doing an auto-form submit thingee? |
| 04:06.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:06.28 | Patlabor221 | for the acutal auction |
| 04:06.39 | Patlabor221 | we did ones for feedback allready |
| 04:07.00 | Patlabor221 | and kicking bidders and stuff |
| 04:07.36 | michaelh2 | this is the hardware site again? |
| 04:07.47 | Patlabor221 | its for the same company |
| 04:07.53 | Patlabor221 | we are trying software too |
| 04:08.03 | Patlabor221 | sold our first copy the other day :) |
| 04:10.05 | michaelh2 | is that like we sell OS's as long as you buy a floppy drive? |
| 04:10.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:10.45 | michaelh2 | with OEM os's |
| 04:10.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah we have them but we only put them on systems |
| 04:11.00 | michaelh2 | I always love that -- that must be what microsoft always intended |
| 04:12.50 | Patlabor221 | we made ebay feedback manager software |
| 04:13.08 | Patlabor221 | OEM hardware is like that too |
| 04:13.23 | Patlabor221 | we get keyboard mouse sets that are suposed to be "with a new comptuer only" |
| 04:13.32 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 04:16.10 | creeperz | All in all, my sniper rifle looks pretty cool |
| 04:16.59 | Patlabor221 | image? |
| 04:17.07 | creeperz | In a sec |
| 04:17.16 | creeperz | I'm rearanging the scope |
| 04:18.51 | creeperz | Nevermind :-) |
| 04:19.04 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 04:19.06 | creeperz | It looks retarded way back where it's sposed to be |
| 04:23.11 | creeperz | Lookie |
| 04:25.28 | Patlabor221 | how many tris? |
| 04:25.37 | creeperz | How do I check? |
| 04:25.38 | creeperz | Tools |
| 04:25.40 | Patlabor221 | go to model info |
| 04:26.53 | creeperz | tris? |
| 04:26.59 | Patlabor221 | sorry it's show model statictics |
| 04:27.03 | Patlabor221 | in tools |
| 04:27.13 | Patlabor221 | it will have the number of triangles |
| 04:27.18 | Patlabor221 | aka tris |
| 04:27.47 | creeperz | 2888 |
| 04:28.03 | creeperz | That's a lot, huh? |
| 04:28.04 | Patlabor221 | ouch |
| 04:28.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:28.08 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:28.15 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should not make everything a cylinder |
| 04:28.16 | creeperz | I had to do overlaps and other crap |
| 04:28.30 | creeperz | Yea...But it's much easier that way |
| 04:28.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah but you end up with polly heavy models with crap edges |
| 04:29.05 | creeperz | I don't know...It looks alright to me :-) |
| 04:29.19 | Patlabor221 | hey what ever floats your boat |
| 04:29.25 | creeperz | Heh |
| 04:29.35 | creeperz | Should I put it up on turbosquid? |
| 04:29.45 | Patlabor221 | just know that it has more triangles in it then a full team of players in Quake 3 |
| 04:29.47 | creeperz | I can get $2 off of it :-/ |
| 04:30.01 | creeperz | I have never played Quake 2 |
| 04:30.04 | creeperz | 3* |
| 04:30.09 | creeperz | Or 2 |
| 04:30.11 | creeperz | ...or 1 |
| 04:30.23 | Patlabor221 | if you think people will pay for that then, hey post it up. |
| 04:30.31 | creeperz | Do you? |
| 04:30.42 | Patlabor221 | you want honesty? |
| 04:30.48 | creeperz | Yea |
| 04:30.57 | creeperz | Is it alright? |
| 04:30.59 | Patlabor221 | no, it's a bunch of cylinders |
| 04:31.03 | creeperz | :-) |
| 04:31.08 | Patlabor221 | and has bad edges |
| 04:31.15 | creeperz | It took me a while ;-) |
| 04:31.25 | creeperz | What? |
| 04:31.28 | creeperz | Bad edges? |
| 04:31.30 | creeperz | How? Where? |
| 04:31.39 | Patlabor221 | see the crap at the edges of the cylinders |
| 04:31.56 | creeperz | What crap? |
| 04:32.00 | Patlabor221 | and where the cylinders join |
| 04:32.09 | Patlabor221 | one sec I'll show you |
| 04:32.18 | creeperz | How they don't connect all of the way? |
| 04:33.00 | Patlabor221 | ok you can't just make a jpeg by renaming a bmp to jpg too |
| 04:33.09 | creeperz | I know |
| 04:34.45 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 04:34.58 | michaelh2 | That's why windows warns ya first :) |
| 04:35.15 | michaelh2 | are you SURE you want to change the extension? |
| 04:35.26 | creeperz | It didn't warn me |
| 04:36.21 | Patlabor221 | you probably did it in the editor |
| 04:36.23 | Patlabor221 | it may not |
| 04:36.28 | Patlabor221 | only the shell will warn |
| 04:36.37 | Patlabor221 | change the file type with the pulldown |
| 04:36.46 | Patlabor221 | I cna't upload for a bit |
| 04:36.52 | Patlabor221 | when I do I will show you all the areas |
| 04:37.19 | creeperz | Pat: BMP was the only option |
| 04:37.25 | Patlabor221 | what app? |
| 04:38.24 | creeperz | Milkshape 3D |
| 04:38.39 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 04:38.51 | Patlabor221 | well just double kick the fike after you save it |
| 04:38.58 | Patlabor221 | and open it in paint |
| 04:39.00 | michaelh2 | hmm |
| 04:39.03 | Patlabor221 | and do a save ass |
| 04:39.05 | Patlabor221 | as |
| 04:39.06 | Patlabor221 | even |
| 04:39.11 | michaelh2 | lol |
| 04:39.38 | michaelh2 | paint can't save in jpeg, can it? |
| 04:39.49 | Patlabor221 | yeah a number of versions can |
| 04:39.55 | Patlabor221 | the 95 version can't |
| 04:40.00 | Patlabor221 | but later ones do |
| 04:40.33 | Patlabor221 | I have bmp,jpeg, png, gif,and tiff as options |
| 04:40.48 | creeperz | Pat: download IrfanView |
| 04:40.53 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 04:41.01 | creeperz | You can rename pretty much any extension out there |
| 04:41.07 | Patlabor221 | imageView.exe works fine |
| 04:41.15 | Patlabor221 | and I use the normal shell stuff for renaming |
| 04:41.23 | creeperz | Ah |
| 04:41.35 | Patlabor221 | you don't need an app to rename a file |
| 04:41.40 | creeperz | I know |
| 04:41.54 | creeperz | Does penny arcade have a router or something? |
| 04:42.07 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure there server is connected to a router or 15 |
| 04:42.20 | Patlabor221 | for format conversions I just use photoshop |
| 04:42.27 | creeperz | Ah |
| 04:47.31 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/gun.png |
| 04:48.04 | Patlabor221 | the red areas |
| 04:50.15 | michaelh2 | heeeeeeeeyyyyyyy.... it's rounnnnnnnnndddddd |
| 04:50.37 | michaelh2 | :) |
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| 05:01.52 | Patlabor221 | time for homeness |
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| 06:58.39 | Patalbor221 | creeper you still up? |
| 07:00.56 | stibnite | anybody know of a good MPEG editor? |
| 07:02.26 | Patalbor221 | I allways used premere |
| 07:04.28 | stibnite | hm, i'll look at that |
| 07:04.35 | Patalbor221 | it's windows tho |
| 07:04.37 | Patalbor221 | and not free |
| 07:04.44 | Patalbor221 | you will have to "find" it |
| 07:22.08 | Patalbor221 | well I probably should not show him my sniper rifle anyway |
| 07:22.28 | captain_proton | hmm? |
| 07:23.04 | Patalbor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Snipa.png |
| 07:23.22 | Patalbor221 | wasn't tired for bed when I cam home so did that to unwind. |
| 07:23.35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 07:23.35 | Patalbor221 | just a roughy |
| 07:24.04 | Patalbor221 | came in under 800 so not too bad |
| 07:24.08 | Patalbor221 | it could get lower |
| 07:25.37 | Patalbor221 | barel lenth is a bit too long as well |
| 07:25.43 | Patalbor221 | since it is a bulpup |
| 07:26.24 | captain_proton | you did that because of creeperz's "rifle" ? |
| 07:26.32 | Patalbor221 | yeah |
| 07:26.59 | Patalbor221 | I only used 1 cylinder too :) |
| 07:27.40 | Patalbor221 | it was nice to be able to figure out how to do the notches too |
| 07:27.46 | Patalbor221 | hadn't ever done that before |
| 07:28.17 | Patalbor221 | negitive bevels are the shit |
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| 07:49.06 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:08.14 | bomber | moin |
| 09:14.53 | ak|ra | moin |
| 09:15.06 | ak|ra | habts ihr die lustigen rechner schon so umgebaut wie geplant? |
| 09:32.34 | bomber | yep akira....really good working :o)) |
| 09:32.48 | ak|ra | bei dir als mp3 radio im auto? |
| 09:33.05 | bomber | nein...das ist bei penguin |
| 09:33.13 | bomber | hmm pinguin |
| 09:33.17 | bomber | :o)) |
| 09:33.18 | ak|ra | ahso |
| 09:33.21 | ak|ra | und bei dir? |
| 09:33.27 | bomber | bei mir die ISA cards |
| 09:33.36 | ak|ra | und es laeuft alles bestens? |
| 09:33.44 | ak|ra | die alten gurken sind manchmal noch richtig geil |
| 09:33.48 | bomber | ja..alles super |
| 09:34.16 | bomber | und wann spielst du wieder bzflag ? |
| 09:34.21 | ak|ra | nein |
| 09:34.25 | ak|ra | immo nicht |
| 09:34.37 | ak|ra | hast du vielleicht leda rumliegen groesser 4.0 ? |
| 09:35.03 | bomber | nein :o( |
| 09:36.27 | ak|ra | gar nich oder nur nich groesser als 4.0 ? |
| 09:38.26 | bomber | gar net... :o(( |
| 09:38.40 | bomber | aber kann ich mich umfragen :o) |
| 09:38.44 | ak|ra | :) |
| 09:39.01 | ak|ra | weil die 4.0er die ich hier habe compiliert nicht gegen gcc3.2.2 und macht nur aerger diesbzgl |
| 09:39.09 | ak|ra | viel macroscheisse und stdheader aerger |
| 09:40.40 | bomber | grrrr |
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| 10:12.07 | Killer | abc |
| 10:13.06 | Killer | is anyone here? |
| 10:14.50 | ak|ra | dnope |
| 10:24.36 | Killer | funny |
| 10:25.43 | Killer | so I'll come later |
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| 10:33.20 | bomber | muhahaa |
| 10:34.46 | ak|ra | wasn |
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| 13:50.29 | creeperz | Who wants to see my cool gun? :-) |
| 13:50.52 | creeperz | Took a while to make...still not done yet, but it's almost done |
| 13:59.32 | creeperz | ~ibot |
| 13:59.33 | | ibot is probably a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 14:00.05 | creeperz | ibot: You're stupid |
| 14:00.06 | | creeperz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 14:00.24 | creeperz | ~C++ |
| 14:00.44 | creeperz | I need advice about my gun |
| 14:02.01 | creeperz | :-/ |
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| 14:29.25 | creeperz | Hello |
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| 14:53.19 | creeperz | Uugh |
| 14:53.34 | creeperz | I can't get TurboSquid to upload my files right |
| 14:53.40 | creeperz | KingOfNerds? |
| 14:53.43 | creeperz | Hi |
| 15:01.33 | creeperz | http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/200664/Action/FullPreview |
| 15:01.40 | KingOfNerds | waz up |
| 15:01.59 | creeperz | Nothing |
| 15:02.00 | creeperz | You? |
| 15:02.03 | KingOfNerds | nope |
| 15:03.02 | KingOfNerds | you know anything about making maps in linux? |
| 15:03.12 | doughecka | ~bzedit |
| 15:03.16 | | hmm... bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 15:03.17 | creeperz | BZFlag maps? |
| 15:03.28 | KingOfNerds | yes |
| 15:03.28 | creeperz | Don't use the Linux version |
| 15:03.34 | KingOfNerds | why not |
| 15:03.36 | doughecka | ? |
| 15:03.38 | creeperz | Use Wine with the Win32 |
| 15:03.52 | creeperz | I heard the Linux one doesn't work too well |
| 15:03.54 | doughecka | doesnt work too well |
| 15:03.58 | doughecka | the wine doesnt |
| 15:04.02 | doughecka | it has problems |
| 15:04.02 | creeperz | Oh |
| 15:04.07 | creeperz | How so? |
| 15:04.22 | creeperz | Wow, I'm glad I still have windows :-) |
| 15:04.24 | KingOfNerds | wine is a nasty thing to get configured properly |
| 15:04.37 | creeperz | Yea |
| 15:04.39 | creeperz | Heh |
| 15:04.57 | creeperz | Even though I have never been within 50 of a Linux OS in my life... |
| 15:05.00 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:05.29 | KingOfNerds | in my opinion linux is the best thing that has ever hapened to computers |
| 15:05.39 | creeperz | Mine too |
| 15:05.54 | creeperz | But I still use Windows |
| 15:05.59 | KingOfNerds | why |
| 15:06.07 | creeperz | Linux is a little tricky to configure, I hear |
| 15:06.13 | doughecka | barely |
| 15:06.19 | KingOfNerds | not too bas after you get used to it |
| 15:06.19 | doughecka | but I still use windows to play games |
| 15:06.20 | creeperz | Really? |
| 15:06.25 | KingOfNerds | it is just like a dos prompt |
| 15:06.33 | creeperz | Ah |
| 15:06.51 | creeperz | I would be using a dual boot right now, but my C:\ is too full |
| 15:06.58 | KingOfNerds | that's too bad |
| 15:07.01 | creeperz | Need a new computer |
| 15:07.06 | KingOfNerds | don't we all |
| 15:07.22 | creeperz | Clean out EVERYTHING on this computer and use RH 9.0 or Mandrake or Knoppix |
| 15:07.33 | KingOfNerds | I got redhat ( |
| 15:07.36 | KingOfNerds | I got redhat 9 |
| 15:07.42 | creeperz | I have 8.0 |
| 15:08.02 | creeperz | And Patlabor221 sent me 9.0 at least 2 1/2 months ago and it's not here |
| 15:08.12 | creeperz | I think he got my address down wrong |
| 15:08.14 | KingOfNerds | I just dule boot with windoz for my games |
| 15:08.41 | creeperz | I stick with Windows for BZFlag and for Online Java games and stuff |
| 15:08.42 | KingOfNerds | redhat 9 or mandrake 0 |
| 15:08.45 | KingOfNerds | redhat 9 or mandrake 9 |
| 15:08.49 | creeperz | RedHat |
| 15:09.02 | KingOfNerds | redhat 9 just came out about 1 month ago |
| 15:09.11 | creeperz | Really? |
| 15:09.13 | KingOfNerds | yes |
| 15:09.26 | creeperz | Oh :-) I could have sword it was longer than that! |
| 15:09.46 | creeperz | Ok, he sent it to me around 3 weeks ago...that's safe to say |
| 15:10.02 | KingOfNerds | ok |
| 15:10.18 | creeperz | Wait: 2 1/2 months ago is when I bought RedHat 8.0 off of Ebay |
| 15:10.22 | creeperz | I think |
| 15:10.31 | KingOfNerds | cool |
| 15:10.37 | creeperz | Not really |
| 15:10.40 | KingOfNerds | why not |
| 15:10.54 | creeperz | The guy said "Next day shipping"....took 1 month to get here! |
| 15:10.55 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:11.03 | creeperz | I just got it recently |
| 15:11.41 | KingOfNerds | I've been using linux for about 2 years now |
| 15:11.54 | creeperz | Cool |
| 15:12.21 | creeperz | Some times I wish I was back to text based :-/ |
| 15:12.56 | KingOfNerds | text is good, and sometimes it's faster than graphical to do things |
| 15:13.04 | creeperz | Yes |
| 15:13.17 | creeperz | Faster than clicking and trying to find a folder |
| 15:13.23 | KingOfNerds | that's for sure |
| 15:14.08 | creeperz | Right now though, my computer is so junky, I take a risk of freezing whenever I multi-task |
| 15:14.12 | creeperz | Heh |
| 15:14.19 | doughecka | windows ME |
| 15:14.24 | creeperz | I can't play BZFlag and chat in here hardly |
| 15:14.43 | creeperz | doug: You hit the nail right between the eyes :-) |
| 15:15.32 | creeperz | Windows ME limits you on command prompt |
| 15:15.43 | creeperz | http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/200664/Action/FullPreview |
| 15:15.45 | creeperz | Ahh |
| 15:15.48 | creeperz | There we go |
| 15:15.53 | creeperz | New pic up of gun |
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| 15:34.00 | doughecka | 'lo |
| 15:34.09 | creeperz | Hi |
| 15:34.20 | patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:34.24 | creeperz | http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/200664/Action/FullPreview |
| 15:34.56 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:35.05 | creeperz | That's what's up |
| 15:36.07 | creeperz | Yu likes? |
| 15:36.23 | patlabor221 | how bout this? |
| 15:36.24 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Snipa.png |
| 15:37.16 | creeperz | You sux0rs! |
| 15:37.16 | patlabor221 | well that pistol is better then the rifle, but I can't tell much about it from that tiny picture |
| 15:37.34 | creeperz | Do you have full version of MilkShape? |
| 15:37.46 | patlabor221 | yes, but I didn't use milkshape |
| 15:37.58 | creeperz | Buy my model :-) |
| 15:38.06 | creeperz | I'll DCC it to yu if you want |
| 15:38.28 | creeperz | Then again, it might just be quicker to buy it :-/ |
| 15:38.45 | creeperz | Since I only have cable...you have a T1 |
| 15:39.34 | patlabor221 | how many tris is the pistol? |
| 15:39.39 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:39.46 | creeperz | Over 1000 |
| 15:39.50 | patlabor221 | ouch |
| 15:39.56 | creeperz | Heh\ |
| 15:40.05 | creeperz | Hey, I'm still new to this |
| 15:40.13 | creeperz | I cut them down a ways! :-) |
| 15:40.18 | patlabor221 | well that's good |
| 15:40.45 | creeperz | You want me to DCC you the ms3d file? |
| 15:40.58 | creeperz | MilkShake :-) |
| 15:41.28 | patlabor221 | only if you want me to cretique it. |
| 15:41.39 | creeperz | I have no problems |
| 15:41.56 | creeperz | It's not too bad for only being the third actual model I have made |
| 15:42.12 | creeperz | Oh, pat, is there like a snap to grid option? |
| 15:42.54 | creeperz | 1172 tris |
| 15:43.49 | creeperz | Oh, BTW, it's not a pistol |
| 15:43.59 | creeperz | It a small sniper type gun w/o a scope |
| 15:44.17 | creeperz | It's kinda like the assault rifle on Halo |
| 15:45.33 | patlabor221 | that totatly looks like a pistol |
| 15:45.45 | patlabor221 | why is the triger and handle so long |
| 15:46.10 | creeperz | Just look |
| 15:47.08 | patlabor221 | wow it's thin |
| 15:47.27 | patlabor221 | that long handle just makes it look more like a pistol |
| 15:47.42 | creeperz | The reason for the extensive length of the handle is to steady the gun on a rock or the ground or something and hold the front with your elbow on the rock, ground, ect. |
| 15:47.49 | patlabor221 | if you were going for an AR, I wold have put a clip on it somewhere and shortened up the handle |
| 15:48.04 | creeperz | Yea |
| 15:48.15 | patlabor221 | also the stock looks too close to short |
| 15:48.25 | patlabor221 | you could not put that in your sholder |
| 15:48.26 | creeperz | YEA! :-) |
| 15:48.38 | creeperz | That's what I meant |
| 15:48.39 | patlabor221 | nor get your hand around the grip if it were AR sised |
| 15:48.42 | creeperz | It's a kinda sniper |
| 15:48.50 | creeperz | AR? |
| 15:48.55 | patlabor221 | asult rifle |
| 15:49.00 | creeperz | Ohhh |
| 15:49.01 | patlabor221 | you could not snipe with that |
| 15:49.06 | patlabor221 | you could not keep it steady |
| 15:49.13 | patlabor221 | no where to rest it in your shoulder |
| 15:49.20 | creeperz | That's the reason for the long handle...to stady it |
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| 15:49.33 | patlabor221 | how does a handle stead it? |
| 15:49.47 | patlabor221 | and where does the ammo go? |
| 15:49.54 | creeperz | Set it on the rock/ground. Put hand on handle. Stady. Fire |
| 15:50.04 | creeperz | It's stored inside of it |
| 15:50.13 | doughecka | lol |
| 15:50.16 | patlabor221 | for that you want something in front of the handle |
| 15:50.19 | patlabor221 | not behind it |
| 15:50.19 | creeperz | You hit a magical button and the clip magically appears |
| 15:50.30 | doughecka | same place bzflag gets its ammo |
| 15:50.38 | creeperz | I put a clip off on the right side |
| 15:50.49 | creeperz | doughecka is right there, pat |
| 15:51.33 | patlabor221 | don't see where the clips go |
| 15:51.34 | creeperz | The barrel look cool though? |
| 15:51.38 | patlabor221 | realy looks like a ray gun. |
| 15:51.48 | creeperz | Oh believe me, it's there! :-) |
| 15:51.53 | patlabor221 | where? |
| 15:52.05 | creeperz | It's "magical!!!!!!!" |
| 15:52.17 | patlabor221 | right |
| 15:52.28 | creeperz | No |
| 15:52.36 | creeperz | I was messing with you this whole time |
| 15:52.43 | creeperz | Look closely at the handle |
| 15:52.52 | creeperz | If you look closely there is a break in it |
| 15:52.59 | creeperz | That's why the handle is so long |
| 15:53.01 | patlabor221 | I just see a bump on it that would dig into the back of your hand |
| 15:53.03 | creeperz | It's really a clip |
| 15:53.10 | creeperz | NO! Not that! |
| 15:53.11 | patlabor221 | so the ammmo is in the handle, like a pistol |
| 15:53.21 | creeperz | That's to rest your thumb around the handle |
| 15:53.26 | creeperz | Sorta |
| 15:53.37 | creeperz | But much bigger than a pistol |
| 15:53.45 | creeperz | I almost type piston :-) |
| 15:54.11 | patlabor221 | so if it's biger, how do you get your hand around it? |
| 15:54.23 | creeperz | Pat:... |
| 15:54.35 | creeperz | The clip IS the bottom of the handle |
| 15:54.44 | creeperz | And a pistol is much smaller |
| 15:54.52 | patlabor221 | I'm just saying it realy looks like a pistol, and that's what people are gonna think. |
| 15:54.54 | creeperz | It's detachable |
| 15:54.57 | doughecka | ur all munchkins |
| 15:55.01 | creeperz | LOL! |
| 15:55.06 | creeperz | ~munchkin |
| 15:55.11 | patlabor221 | size is relitive, the only thing to compare it to is the triger you drew |
| 15:55.20 | creeperz | I didn't draw it |
| 15:55.25 | creeperz | It's a cylinder |
| 15:55.36 | patlabor221 | dosn't mater the exact creation |
| 15:55.41 | patlabor221 | it's there |
| 15:55.42 | creeperz | In fact, the whole gun is made of cylinders |
| 15:55.44 | patlabor221 | you pu it ti there |
| 15:55.48 | patlabor221 | yeah I can tell it is |
| 15:55.57 | patlabor221 | mine only uses 1 cylinder |
| 15:55.58 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:56.03 | creeperz | Cool |
| 15:56.08 | creeperz | Plenty of stacks? |
| 15:56.37 | captain_proton | hi ho, hi ho, its off to work i go |
| 15:56.47 | creeperz | ... |
| 15:56.53 | creeperz | I think I'm having de ja vu |
| 15:56.54 | patlabor221 | no, only the barrelis a cylinder |
| 15:56.59 | creeperz | I think I'm having De Ja Vu |
| 15:57.06 | patlabor221 | with 1 stack 8 slices |
| 15:57.16 | creeperz | No, it's a rearanged from many cylinders |
| 15:57.26 | patlabor221 | I mean mine not yours |
| 15:57.30 | creeperz | How many tris to your? |
| 15:57.34 | patlabor221 | 812 |
| 15:57.35 | creeperz | I know |
| 15:57.40 | creeperz | Cool |
| 15:58.17 | patlabor221 | you want a copy of it? |
| 15:58.20 | creeperz | :-) |
| 15:58.23 | creeperz | Sure |
| 15:58.34 | doughecka | 10 dollars |
| 15:58.35 | creeperz | I tried to listen to the phone with headphones on |
| 15:59.15 | patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Snipe.ms3d |
| 15:59.18 | patlabor221 | it's just a rough |
| 15:59.46 | creeperz | ms3d files are little |
| 15:59.59 | creeperz | Anyway, I need to go to my friend's house. |
| 16:00.03 | creeperz | He rented Halo :-) |
| 16:00.14 | creeperz | That's for the critism, pat |
| 16:00.15 | doughecka | dont you have school? |
| 16:00.38 | creeperz | It's leisure day |
| 16:00.45 | creeperz | It's pretty much a "play day" |
| 16:01.01 | creeperz | I kinda talked my dad into letting me stay home/go where I want |
| 16:01.05 | creeperz | See yu |
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| 16:30.53 | doughecka | 'lo |
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| 16:30.58 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:31.07 | Noodleman_ | 'lo doughecka, Patlabor221 |
| 16:31.10 | doughecka | hehe |
| 16:31.27 | Patlabor221 | noodle I have a laptop CD-rom drive |
| 16:31.31 | prot-work | hiya Patlabor221 |
| 16:31.34 | Patlabor221 | I'll get a picture of the connector |
| 16:31.35 | Patlabor221 | sup cap |
| 16:31.38 | Noodleman_ | cool |
| 16:32.04 | Noodleman_ | and if you could get a picture of the front and the shape of it, that would be great |
| 16:32.05 | doughecka | will that work? |
| 16:32.14 | Noodleman_ | it should |
| 16:32.25 | Patlabor221 | I will go out to my car later, get it, and plug in the webcam |
| 16:33.29 | prot-work | researching the feasability of writing a program to expand RAID5 volumes offline :) |
| 16:34.18 | Patlabor221 | whootywhatsit? |
| 16:36.32 | prot-work | do you know what RAID is? :P |
| 16:36.52 | doughecka | lol |
| 16:36.54 | Noodleman_ | RAID!!???? |
| 16:37.24 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 16:37.34 | Patlabor221 | just don't get the offline part |
| 16:37.34 | Noodleman_ | don't you remember that commercial from a while back? |
| 16:37.55 | Patlabor221 | cartoon bugs |
| 16:38.18 | Noodleman_ | i don't remember if it was funny or not |
| 16:38.21 | Noodleman_ | too young |
| 16:38.22 | Patlabor221 | cap I don't think creeper apreciated my sniper rifle :) |
| 16:38.31 | Patlabor221 | it wasn't that funny |
| 16:41.30 | prot-work | Patlabor221: meaning "while its not mounted" |
| 16:41.41 | Patlabor221 | ohhh |
| 16:41.46 | Patlabor221 | interesting |
| 16:42.05 | prot-work | i need to find more documentation on the internal structure of the disk |
| 16:42.07 | Patlabor221 | some kind of cataloge thiny? |
| 16:42.36 | prot-work | but from a strictly raid5 point of view, it should be easy to throw another disk in and run a program that will recompute parity |
| 16:42.48 | prot-work | and then expand the filesystem t the new space |
| 16:44.17 | doughecka | cool |
| 16:44.37 | doughecka | could it do it on hot swap drives? while the system is running? |
| 16:44.45 | prot-work | doubtful |
| 16:44.52 | doughecka | hm |
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| 16:45.08 | prot-work | since unless i'm confused about how it works this process would involve a LOT of copying data between disks |
| 16:45.29 | doughecka | ah |
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| 17:13.37 | doughecka | low battery? |
| 17:13.38 | doughecka | lol |
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| 17:19.09 | Noodleman_ | bah |
| 17:19.17 | doughecka | hab! |
| 17:19.18 | Noodleman_ | no workie |
| 17:19.21 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:19.49 | doughecka | woo |
| 17:19.55 | doughecka | my microsoft password arrived |
| 17:20.02 | Noodleman_ | for what? |
| 17:20.14 | doughecka | for my mcp thingy |
| 17:20.19 | Noodleman_ | ? |
| 17:20.43 | Noodleman_ | i have no clue |
| 17:20.43 | doughecka | Congratulations on becoming a Microsoft Certified Professional! |
| 17:20.50 | Noodleman_ | ohh |
| 17:21.02 | Noodleman_ | so you're an mcse now? |
| 17:21.08 | doughecka | MCP |
| 17:21.11 | doughecka | MSCE is later |
| 17:21.12 | Noodleman_ | ok |
| 17:21.16 | doughecka | after I take 6 more exams |
| 17:21.25 | doughecka | ~6*125 |
| 17:21.26 | | 750 |
| 17:21.28 | doughecka | ick |
| 17:21.30 | Noodleman_ | how much did you pay to be an MCP? |
| 17:21.39 | doughecka | 125 for each exam |
| 17:21.46 | Noodleman_ | how many exams? |
| 17:21.57 | doughecka | I took one for my MCP |
| 17:21.57 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing 6 |
| 17:22.06 | Noodleman_ | what kind of questions? |
| 17:22.07 | doughecka | MCSE is like 7 |
| 17:22.25 | Noodleman_ | i'm very interested |
| 17:22.57 | Noodleman_ | it'd look good on my resume :-) |
| 17:23.09 | doughecka | Noodleman_: you know, like "bob wants to access a web site with active X on it, but the company policy restricks that. how do you allow access to the website? |
| 17:23.12 | captain_proton | Mouse Clicking Professional |
| 17:23.23 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 17:23.26 | Noodleman_ | that's right |
| 17:23.27 | captain_proton | "stand aside, i'm certified!" |
| 17:23.30 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:23.46 | Patlabor221 | certified in taking multiple choice tests |
| 17:23.50 | Noodleman_ | where can i sign up? |
| 17:24.03 | Patlabor221 | is onw of the anwswers "tell him to stop looking at porn" |
| 17:24.09 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 17:24.12 | Noodleman_ | should be |
| 17:24.26 | doughecka | Noodleman: get a book and study, sybex is good, then goto vue.com and lookup the local places |
| 17:24.26 | Noodleman_ | i don't need to be an msce tho |
| 17:24.38 | Noodleman_ | ok, thx |
| 17:25.25 | Patlabor221 | or just use your common sense and fake it, cus they pass most people, they get tehre money ether way. |
| 17:25.32 | Patlabor221 | our IS guy took them |
| 17:25.33 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:25.34 | Noodleman_ | i don't WANT to be an msce :-) |
| 17:25.37 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't kno WAN from LAN |
| 17:25.47 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:25.51 | doughecka | fire him |
| 17:26.07 | Noodleman_ | cuz then they'd force me to admin windows server X-P |
| 17:26.11 | Patlabor221 | I wish we would |
| 17:26.16 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:26.46 | Noodleman_ | how do you know he dosn't know WAN from LAN? |
| 17:27.13 | doughecka | whats a WAN... whats a LAN? |
| 17:27.26 | Patlabor221 | cus he asked me what each one was, when he was trying to configure the router. |
| 17:27.30 | doughecka | if WAN = LAN then goto boss and fire |
| 17:28.07 | Noodleman_ | w00t there's one at the COCC |
| 17:28.12 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:28.26 | Noodleman_ | a testing location |
| 17:28.39 | doughecka | cool |
| 17:28.56 | Noodleman_ | then what did you do after you studied and found a testing location? |
| 17:29.30 | doughecka | went there, took 2 forms of ID, and 125 bucks |
| 17:29.47 | doughecka | I signed up first on the web site |
| 17:29.50 | doughecka | so my info was there |
| 17:29.52 | Noodleman_ | and you didn't have to make an appointment? |
| 17:29.54 | Noodleman_ | oh |
| 17:29.56 | doughecka | well |
| 17:29.59 | doughecka | it was same day |
| 17:30.05 | doughecka | I could do it by appointment |
| 17:30.11 | doughecka | but it needed a credit card |
| 17:30.39 | doughecka | then I went there |
| 17:30.49 | doughecka | told them I wanted to take the blah blah exam |
| 17:30.55 | doughecka | and I took it |
| 17:31.01 | Noodleman_ | kewl |
| 17:31.03 | doughecka | and it printed out weather or not I passed |
| 17:31.12 | Noodleman_ | COCC does comptia testing too |
| 17:31.17 | doughecka | yea |
| 17:31.20 | Noodleman_ | neeto |
| 17:31.21 | doughecka | thats next for me |
| 17:31.29 | Noodleman_ | which cert? |
| 17:31.32 | doughecka | A+ and network+ is next, to make 2000 server easyer |
| 17:31.38 | Noodleman_ | ah |
| 17:34.40 | Noodleman_ | i don't want to be certified for any windows server OS's ;-) |
| 17:34.46 | doughecka | heh |
| 17:34.49 | Noodleman_ | cuz then they'd force me to admin windows servers! |
| 17:34.58 | Patlabor221 | they have redhat certs too |
| 17:35.03 | Noodleman_ | yeah, i know |
| 17:35.07 | doughecka | hmmmmmm |
| 17:35.12 | doughecka | the MCP site is down |
| 17:35.19 | doughecka | thats... funny |
| 17:35.30 | Noodleman_ | but for RHCE, i'd have to learn how to admin sendmail and BIND really well X-P |
| 17:35.34 | Patlabor221 | heh must be run by all those smart "certified" people. |
| 17:35.38 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 17:35.41 | doughecka | haha |
| 17:35.58 | Noodleman_ | sendmail and BIND make me puke |
| 17:36.08 | doughecka | ~throw up |
| 17:36.09 | | ACTION throws up over top of doughecka |
| 17:36.14 | doughecka | ew |
| 17:36.15 | Noodleman_ | haha |
| 17:36.30 | Patlabor221 | maybe you need to be "jadded old crochity bastarard" certified :) |
| 17:36.40 | Noodleman_ | maybe :-) |
| 17:37.03 | Noodleman_ | my boss said that exposure to spam and sendmail have jaded me |
| 17:37.04 | Patlabor221 | " all right everyone repeat after me. You DAMN KIDS" |
| 17:38.13 | Noodleman_ | anything other than qmail and djbdns make me puke, but i'm going to have to learn some other packages |
| 17:38.23 | Noodleman_ | not everybody uses those |
| 17:38.35 | doughecka | make them use them |
| 17:38.55 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 17:38.59 | Noodleman_ | i wish |
| 17:39.13 | Noodleman_ | you know how those pointy-haired bosses are :-) |
| 17:39.43 | doughecka | lol |
| 17:40.01 | Noodleman_ | "the only thing i know about computers is that i need a better one than everybody else!" |
| 17:40.18 | doughecka | hah |
| 17:40.32 | Noodleman_ | cdw commercial |
| 17:40.37 | Noodleman_ | see it? |
| 17:40.50 | doughecka | nope |
| 17:41.09 | Noodleman_ | "the server was full so i deleted all the files for ya" |
| 17:41.16 | doughecka | hehehe |
| 17:41.27 | Noodleman_ | "uh, i'm trusting you backed up those files?" |
| 17:41.46 | doughecka | what backup? |
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| 18:40.02 | captain_proton | now what exactly is wrong with BIND? |
| 18:40.08 | captain_proton | or sendmail for that reason? |
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| 18:56.44 | KingOfNerds | waz up? |
| 18:58.04 | Noodleman_ | tex avery's jerky turkey has to be the best cartoon ever made |
| 18:58.32 | Noodleman_ | captain_proton: BIND and sendmail are big, bloated, slow, and riddled with security holes |
| 18:58.50 | captain_proton | only when improperly configured |
| 18:58.55 | KingOfNerds | but they work |
| 18:59.04 | Noodleman_ | qmail and djbdns have never been compromised since 1997, when they were written |
| 18:59.09 | captain_proton | a properly set up sendmail is just as secure as qmail/etc, and will have about 5 times the throughput |
| 18:59.28 | Noodleman_ | and each has a $500 bounty on the first security hole announced |
| 19:00.02 | Noodleman_ | got proof? ;-) |
| 19:00.12 | captain_proton | our mailservers? |
| 19:00.41 | jraitala | I have to disagree with sendmail being as secure as qmail |
| 19:00.51 | Noodleman_ | recently BIND had a remotely exploitable root hack with a normal configuration |
| 19:01.02 | Noodleman_ | or was it sendmail |
| 19:01.13 | Noodleman_ | i think it was sendmail |
| 19:01.32 | KingOfNerds | whatever |
| 19:01.38 | jraitala | for instance, qmail processes are owned by different user accounts, and only one process (the one which transfers mail to Maildir) needs to be run as root |
| 19:01.40 | Noodleman_ | and also, the whole sendmail system runs as root |
| 19:01.51 | Noodleman_ | jraitala: right |
| 19:01.53 | KingOfNerds | you can have sendmail run as any user you want |
| 19:01.59 | Noodleman_ | i was just going to say that :-) |
| 19:02.24 | Noodleman_ | KingOfNerds: but then how would sendmail deliver the mail to users? |
| 19:02.33 | Noodleman_ | without being root? |
| 19:02.46 | KingOfNerds | set the permissions on the spool dir to that user |
| 19:02.50 | jraitala | and there has been numerous remotely exploitable vulnerabilities in sendmail, but basically none in qmail |
| 19:03.09 | Noodleman_ | the spool dir would have to be world writeable |
| 19:03.13 | captain_proton | there have been |
| 19:03.19 | captain_proton | and they're only an issue if you don't patch your systems |
| 19:03.59 | Noodleman_ | but qmail was written right the first time |
| 19:04.23 | Noodleman_ | there hasn't been a bug fix in 5 years i think |
| 19:04.30 | KingOfNerds | I've never used qmail, but sendmail works just fine for me |
| 19:04.46 | Noodleman_ | as long as you keep it updated :-) |
| 19:04.57 | Noodleman_ | oh, i g2g |
| 19:04.58 | Noodleman_ | l8r |
| 19:04.59 | KingOfNerds | yes that's true |
| 19:05.00 | jraitala | there's always time between releasing the vulnerability/exploit and applying the patches |
| 19:05.09 | captain_proton | Noodleman_: arguable - they're spending so much attention on security that performance is sacrificed |
| 19:05.20 | jraitala | besides, the hole might have been in known in some circles before it saw daylight |
| 19:05.58 | jraitala | and some vendors might be slow on creating required patches, and patching many servers by hand is very time consuming |
| 19:06.18 | KingOfNerds | that is what the linux community is for |
| 19:07.04 | captain_proton | if a vendor is slow getting patches out the door, one shouldn't use that vendor for critical systems like mail servers |
| 19:08.47 | jraitala | for instance, Debian didn't fix recent OpenSSL vulnerabilities until about three or four weeks after the initial vulnerability announcement, and Red Hat has been slow on some vulnerabilities as well |
| 19:09.45 | KingOfNerds | I don't use the individual distributions packages I use the source from the developer |
| 19:11.27 | jraitala | as I said, it's very time-consuming to patch by hand |
| 19:17.12 | captain_proton | what else are sysadmins for? |
| 19:17.42 | KingOfNerds | I was trying to compile bzedit for linux eariler, but it couldn't find GtkGLArea |
| 19:18.04 | captain_proton | first, where did you get bzedit from? |
| 19:18.11 | captain_proton | if you pulled it from bz cvs, thats old |
| 19:18.26 | KingOfNerds | the link that was given me on this chat |
| 19:18.34 | captain_proton | ok |
| 19:19.17 | KingOfNerds | it complained about not haveing gtkgl-2.0.pc |
| 19:20.03 | KingOfNerds | I know that I have the library for gtkglarea, but the rpm that came with RH 9 didn't have the pc file |
| 19:20.45 | captain_proton | is there a -devel package you need? |
| 19:20.50 | KingOfNerds | and it is version 5.0 instead of 2.0 |
| 19:20.59 | KingOfNerds | I couldn't find a devel |
| 19:21.10 | captain_proton | version 5.0? huh |
| 19:21.15 | KingOfNerds | yep |
| 19:21.38 | KingOfNerds | at least that's what the package says |
| 19:23.22 | captain_proton | search for a version 1.99 |
| 19:27.02 | KingOfNerds | fresh meat has reference to gtkglarea-2.0 being used with gtk+2.0 |
| 19:27.26 | KingOfNerds | but it dosen't say where to get it |
| 19:28.52 | captain_proton | ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gtkglarea/1.99 |
| 19:29.21 | captain_proton | if you build that it'll come with the requisite pkgconfig file |
| 19:29.43 | KingOfNerds | ok |
| 19:29.47 | KingOfNerds | thanks |
| 19:33.11 | KingOfNerds | so how receant is bzedit-2.1.tar.gz |
| 19:39.26 | captain_proton | as recent as anything |
| 19:39.30 | KingOfNerds | ok |
| 19:39.37 | captain_proton | i haven't really put any work into bzedit in the last year or so |
| 19:40.24 | KingOfNerds | I can't realy code worth anything |
| 19:43.20 | KingOfNerds | I just know how to compile stuff |
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| 19:49.41 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
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| 20:10.11 | rooter_the | Anybody want a 2:2 match? |
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| 21:53.40 | BaDiN | hallo |
| 21:53.47 | BaDiN | any HOW or NNN member? |
| 21:53.53 | BaDiN | or any team to play against bips? |
| 21:54.18 | BaDiN | please? |
| 21:54.18 | BaDiN | :) |
| 21:54.21 | BaDiN | jraitala? |
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| 22:17.28 | lamer | ping |
| 22:17.42 | lamer | tim u about? |
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| 23:09.27 | doughecka | ~insult Noodleman_ |
| 23:09.27 | Noodlebot | noodleman_, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous. |
| 23:09.38 | Noodleman | added a feature :-) |
| 23:09.43 | doughecka | oh? |
| 23:09.52 | Noodleman | please don't abuse it :-) |
| 23:09.53 | doughecka | ~whats new? |
| 23:10.17 | Noodleman | do ~help |
| 23:10.40 | doughecka | ~help |
| 23:11.29 | doughecka | dumb thing, ibot AND Noodlebot replyed |
| 23:11.29 | doughecka | :) |
| 23:11.40 | Noodleman | haha |
| 23:11.50 | Noodleman | you can do Noodlebot: help |
| 23:12.29 | Noodleman | if you just want to talk to Noodlebot, don't use ~ |
| 23:12.54 | Noodleman | did you see the new feature? |
| 23:13.12 | doughecka | ah |
| 23:13.14 | doughecka | hm |
| 23:13.16 | doughecka | I think |
| 23:13.17 | doughecka | lamer? |
| 23:13.22 | doughecka | is that it? |
| 23:13.27 | Noodleman | yup :-) |
| 23:13.34 | doughecka | very cool |
| 23:13.40 | Noodleman | ~lamernick add doughecka |
| 23:13.41 | Noodlebot | i've added the nick 'doughecka' to my lamer list |
| 23:13.43 | Noodleman | log back in |
| 23:13.44 | doughecka | ~lamer add creeperz |
| 23:13.48 | doughecka | I cant |
| 23:13.52 | doughecka | ;) |
| 23:14.00 | Noodleman | ~lamernick forget creeperz |
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| 23:14.04 | Noodleman | he's not a lamer |
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| 23:14.06 | Noodlebot | doughecka is a lamer! be sure to /ignore doughecka!*@* all |
| 23:14.10 | doughecka | haha |
| 23:14.14 | Noodleman | ~lamernick forget doughecka |
| 23:14.15 | Noodlebot | i've removed the nick 'doughecka' from my lamer list |
| 23:14.21 | doughecka | cool |
| 23:14.34 | Noodleman | kewl, eh? |
| 23:14.42 | doughecka | now all we need to do is add everybody with *CELL* in it |
| 23:14.43 | doughecka | :P |
| 23:15.02 | Noodleman | he uses lots of nicks and hosts |
| 23:15.07 | doughecka | yea |
| 23:15.16 | Noodleman | that's why i added this |
| 23:15.25 | doughecka | hehehehehehe |
| 23:23.01 | lamer | ;-) |
| 23:23.10 | lamer | nah, I know tim from my previous job |
| 23:23.15 | lamer | <-- just a nick |
| 23:23.21 | lamer | nothing to worry about :-) |
| 23:31.26 | Noodleman | hahaha |
| 23:32.40 | lamer | :-) |
| 23:32.57 | lamer | see I'm already good for a laugh, and haven't irritated anyone yet ;-) |
| 23:33.13 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:33.37 | lamer | been a while since I've seen/spoke with tim he may not recognize the nick |
| 23:33.51 | lamer | *cough* Sistina Software *cough* |
| 23:33.52 | lamer | ;-) |
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| 23:34.35 | captain_proton | sistina are the people who wrote LVM, right? |
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| 23:35.33 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 23:35.39 | lamer | indeed |
| 23:36.06 | lamer | well Hienze wrote it originally, but sistina hired him |
| 23:36.32 | lamer | and it became sistina IP, and now they maintain it and it's been essentially rewritten from the ground up |
| 23:37.36 | lamer | proton u an LVM user? |
| 23:37.48 | captain_proton | was researching it a while ago |
| 23:38.11 | lamer | LVM is pretty neat |
| 23:38.24 | captain_proton | i would be for sure if it could do something like raid5's parity striping |
| 23:38.34 | Noodleman | haven't used LVM, and not 100% sure what it is |
| 23:39.05 | lamer | http://www.linux-lvm.org |
| 23:39.09 | lamer | it's really neat stuff |
| 23:39.15 | lamer | similar to MD kinda |
| 23:39.43 | lamer | lets you smash multiple physical devices together to make larger/more robust 'logical' volumes |
| 23:39.47 | captain_proton | except MD with software raid5 can recover if one of the individual pieces fails |
| 23:40.09 | lamer | yeah I don't know what ever happened with striping, it _was_ planned when I was at sistina |
| 23:40.22 | captain_proton | striping exists, it just doesn't do parity |
| 23:40.28 | lamer | ah |
| 23:40.37 | Noodleman | lamer: which RAID level is it most similar to? |
| 23:40.38 | lamer | haven't kept up since I left them |
| 23:40.57 | lamer | it's mostly used to concatenate |
| 23:40.58 | captain_proton | makes it so if i wanted to use LVM and have any real data security, i'd need to run RAID underneith, and at that point i might as well just use RAID |
| 23:41.07 | lamer | yeah |
| 23:41.23 | Noodleman | i get it |
| 23:41.28 | lamer | sistina is more focused on cluster LVM right now |
| 23:41.35 | lamer | which makes sense for them |
| 23:42.03 | captain_proton | Noodleman: well - it can be like 0, or JBOD |
| 23:42.32 | Noodleman | that's what i was thinking |
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