| 00:26.48 | *** join/#bzflag bzfrank (~chatzilla@p50918796.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:27.00 | bzfrank | hi |
| 00:28.37 | Patlabor221 | sup frank |
| 00:29.04 | bzfrank | hi pat |
| 00:29.15 | bzfrank | long time no chat, how are thing going |
| 00:29.37 | Patlabor221 | fine fine, you? |
| 00:30.02 | bzfrank | just back from a 10 days vacation, good! :) |
| 00:30.06 | Patlabor221 | nice |
| 00:30.17 | Patlabor221 | I'm just comparin models I made today |
| 00:30.31 | bzfrank | for bzflag? |
| 00:30.59 | Patlabor221 | perhaps some day |
| 00:31.20 | Patlabor221 | presently used in a difrent application |
| 00:31.39 | bzfrank | what are you using for modelling? |
| 00:31.50 | Patlabor221 | lightwave and milkshape |
| 00:32.06 | bzfrank | ah... |
| 00:32.44 | Patlabor221 | Current model -> http://asgard.bakadigital.com/Screamers/Mk3Tex.png |
| 00:32.53 | Patlabor221 | new model -> http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/Mk4Color.png |
| 00:32.54 | bzfrank | well, never got used to lightwave (beside the price tag is exorbitant) but milkshape I use myself for most low-poly stuff |
| 00:33.12 | bzfrank | some space game? |
| 00:33.13 | Patlabor221 | it's cheaper then 3ds Max :) |
| 00:33.44 | bzfrank | right, but everything is cheaper than 3ds max ;) well almost ;) |
| 00:34.44 | bzfrank | not much going on in regard to bzflag dev at the moment I think...? |
| 00:34.50 | Patlabor221 | umm no |
| 00:36.00 | Patlabor221 | couple people have been doing some little things, but it's all been waiting on the G2 release |
| 00:36.10 | Patlabor221 | me and cap have an "alternitive" project |
| 00:36.50 | bzfrank | I read something, phython GUI and stuff... |
| 00:36.59 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:37.08 | Patlabor221 | that's caps old jetstream thing |
| 00:37.14 | bzfrank | ah |
| 00:37.31 | bzfrank | so whats cooking? another tank game? |
| 00:38.07 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 00:38.18 | bzfrank | ok, I won't tell... ;) |
| 00:38.37 | Patlabor221 | ohh every one knows |
| 00:38.44 | Patlabor221 | I just know tim dosn't like me talkin about it |
| 00:38.45 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/ |
| 00:39.04 | Patlabor221 | even tho the idea is to testbed some tech that can be put back into BZ as well |
| 00:39.39 | bzfrank | some kind of racing game? |
| 00:39.45 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:39.49 | Patlabor221 | drive round and shoot stuff |
| 00:39.54 | Patlabor221 | just like normal |
| 00:40.25 | bzfrank | just downloading... |
| 00:40.33 | bzfrank | stable yet? |
| 00:40.47 | Patlabor221 | well that version won't crash |
| 00:40.58 | Patlabor221 | but it dosn't do much at the moment |
| 00:41.03 | Patlabor221 | that is "game" like |
| 00:41.19 | bzfrank | ctf or just shooting war? |
| 00:41.25 | Patlabor221 | not even that |
| 00:41.32 | Patlabor221 | just drive around :) |
| 00:41.35 | Patlabor221 | no net even yet |
| 00:41.52 | bzfrank | the hardest part... |
| 00:42.09 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I have a good idea of how I want to do it |
| 00:42.09 | bzfrank | 1:10 to go... |
| 00:42.25 | Patlabor221 | the net lib has been writen, just needs a port to *nix |
| 00:42.25 | bzfrank | central server? |
| 00:42.45 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 00:42.52 | Patlabor221 | there will be game servers |
| 00:42.59 | Patlabor221 | but they are not limited to hosting one game |
| 00:43.05 | Patlabor221 | and some games can span servers |
| 00:43.06 | bzfrank | I ponder you use SDL_net |
| 00:43.11 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 00:43.18 | bzfrank | why not? |
| 00:43.26 | Patlabor221 | cus I allready had a net lib done |
| 00:43.32 | bzfrank | ah, coldet... |
| 00:43.44 | Patlabor221 | we are testing coldet now to see if it will do what we need |
| 00:43.55 | Patlabor221 | cap things so, but it's colison volumes are "weird" |
| 00:44.02 | bzfrank | collision detection is easy, response is hard |
| 00:44.03 | Patlabor221 | so that version has no object colision |
| 00:44.38 | Patlabor221 | I think that version has the cicken tho :) |
| 00:45.13 | bzfrank | chicken? |
| 00:45.18 | Patlabor221 | chicken! :) |
| 00:45.35 | Patlabor221 | test of an animated world object |
| 00:45.37 | bzfrank | lot of data... |
| 00:45.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:45.53 | Patlabor221 | the flag is too big, I need to make my own |
| 00:45.57 | Patlabor221 | 7+ megs :( |
| 00:46.22 | Patlabor221 | well and the mp3s |
| 00:46.29 | bzfrank | right, no collision |
| 00:46.52 | Patlabor221 | F1 F2 and F3 change cameras |
| 00:47.36 | bzfrank | the flags movement does not change ;) |
| 00:47.41 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 00:47.54 | Patlabor221 | that's just the "defalut" game logic class |
| 00:47.57 | bzfrank | whats the goal of the game? shoot others? |
| 00:48.09 | Patlabor221 | depends on what game mode you are in |
| 00:48.24 | Patlabor221 | I have planed Deathmatch, team deathmatch, CTF, and CTC |
| 00:48.48 | bzfrank | catch the chicken?` |
| 00:48.56 | Patlabor221 | yup :) |
| 00:49.24 | Patlabor221 | pluss the game logic classes are easaly modifyable, and the framework supports N logic classes |
| 00:49.34 | bzfrank | the newtoniam movement is nice |
| 00:49.34 | Patlabor221 | so it's easy to make new game types |
| 00:49.52 | Patlabor221 | well it's rather fake movement, but it feels ok |
| 00:50.22 | bzfrank | hey, theres a chicken :) |
| 00:50.23 | Patlabor221 | does a variable friction thing based on the difrence beween your facing vector and your movement vector |
| 00:50.47 | Patlabor221 | it would be rather trivial to make a BZFlag compatable game mode as well |
| 00:51.11 | bzfrank | a bit 'movement sickness' heavy when you look from the inside... |
| 00:51.13 | Patlabor221 | just derive off the base class and put in your own, GetPlayerPos fucn |
| 00:51.24 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's why there is the third person |
| 00:51.39 | Patlabor221 | the camera tilt will probably be an option |
| 00:51.53 | bzfrank | nice sky, but the cloud layer must be higher |
| 00:51.54 | Patlabor221 | in the modes that support it |
| 00:52.11 | bzfrank | any more keys I can press? :) |
| 00:52.15 | Patlabor221 | it's specificed in the map file, each map defines its own world |
| 00:52.23 | Patlabor221 | tab jumps that's about it |
| 00:52.42 | bzfrank | more fly... :) |
| 00:52.43 | Patlabor221 | well F5 and F6 change the view distance in external cam modes |
| 00:53.38 | bzfrank | volume of projection shadow? |
| 00:53.44 | bzfrank | of == or... |
| 00:53.48 | Patlabor221 | naw |
| 00:53.54 | Patlabor221 | just a premade texture |
| 00:54.17 | Patlabor221 | with some tweaks to make it look decent |
| 00:54.37 | Patlabor221 | I have a 3 pass lighing model in mind but it needs to be tested |
| 00:54.57 | bzfrank | keep it simple... |
| 00:55.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's why I havn't worked on it yet |
| 00:55.23 | Patlabor221 | it may be overkill |
| 00:55.28 | bzfrank | you can steer in the air? |
| 00:55.30 | Patlabor221 | I speced out the gameplay stuff recently |
| 00:55.33 | Patlabor221 | a little |
| 00:55.58 | Patlabor221 | I think it's set at %50 right now |
| 00:56.05 | Patlabor221 | but it's a paramater |
| 00:56.12 | bzfrank | no sound here |
| 00:56.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah there were some DLL issues with sound. the current CVS has good sound |
| 00:56.46 | Patlabor221 | the lib I used had a bug in it :( |
| 00:57.01 | bzfrank | also no SDL_sound... |
| 00:57.05 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 00:57.08 | Patlabor221 | fmod |
| 00:57.21 | bzfrank | ah i see |
| 00:57.29 | bzfrank | OSFile? |
| 00:57.35 | Patlabor221 | tho cap is probably going to make us an openAL sound class |
| 00:57.49 | Patlabor221 | that's my OS indpendent File/Folder IO class |
| 00:58.06 | bzfrank | Are the sound files public doain of made for you? |
| 00:58.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't reacall where I got those ones that are in there |
| 00:58.44 | Patlabor221 | I need to do a content sweep to make sure it's all PD or mine |
| 00:58.44 | bzfrank | they are good! |
| 00:59.25 | bzfrank | Iron Clef |
| 00:59.26 | Patlabor221 | if it's background music, it's gotta be just some stuff I had around. |
| 00:59.29 | Patlabor221 | ahhh :) |
| 00:59.35 | bzfrank | and marathon2 something |
| 00:59.54 | Patlabor221 | then those would be from things I'm not suposed to use :) |
| 01:00.13 | bzfrank | why does tim complain when you talk about it here? |
| 01:00.27 | Patlabor221 | ohh he hasn't complained out right |
| 01:00.30 | Patlabor221 | but it's not BZ |
| 01:00.46 | Patlabor221 | even tho one of my patches for BZ uses some of this code |
| 01:00.56 | bzfrank | so what, maybe it will become bzflag 2.0 somedays :) |
| 01:01.18 | Patlabor221 | maybe, tho I doubt this will run on as many platfroms |
| 01:01.28 | Patlabor221 | working on atachable externals now http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/GlamShot.png |
| 01:01.32 | bzfrank | too windows centric |
| 01:01.48 | bzfrank | no offense meants ;) |
| 01:01.54 | Patlabor221 | actualy no it's not that windows centric at all |
| 01:01.58 | Patlabor221 | just some of the libs |
| 01:02.10 | Patlabor221 | and it's meant for more beffy hardware then BZ is |
| 01:02.20 | bzfrank | I dropped this external stuff for p2501 |
| 01:02.31 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 01:02.32 | bzfrank | flags are enough |
| 01:02.43 | bzfrank | too much hazzle maybe some future version |
| 01:02.43 | Patlabor221 | for me flags are only for CTF |
| 01:03.02 | Patlabor221 | if you shoot it, it better look like what you shoot |
| 01:03.23 | Patlabor221 | the atached flag was the first test of child objects in the object database |
| 01:03.28 | Patlabor221 | they seem to work well :) |
| 01:03.29 | bzfrank | well, call it lazyness (I don't want to design all those models ;)) |
| 01:03.45 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:03.51 | Patlabor221 | well I have kind of minimised it |
| 01:03.53 | bzfrank | it pretty easy to attach stuff to the objects in p2501 |
| 01:04.12 | Patlabor221 | and made difrent weapon types just difrent ammo for some of the weapons |
| 01:04.21 | Patlabor221 | so they share the same external model |
| 01:04.44 | Patlabor221 | actualy the canon and mult-launcher can hold up to 3 difrent types of ammo at the same time |
| 01:05.02 | bzfrank | you need to collect ammo? |
| 01:05.47 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net) |
| 01:05.49 | Patlabor221 | for some of the things |
| 01:05.59 | [STC]_creeperz | Hello, sports fans! |
| 01:06.03 | Patlabor221 | everyone has a default wep that just pulls of the main power supply |
| 01:06.05 | Noodleman_ | moo |
| 01:06.11 | bzfrank | hi sports friend |
| 01:06.12 | [STC]_creeperz | Mee? |
| 01:06.20 | [STC]_creeperz | Hi, who are you? |
| 01:06.31 | Patlabor221 | then you can pick up optional weps for the rear rack |
| 01:06.35 | Noodleman_ | somebody who has just come back from the dead :-) |
| 01:06.38 | Patlabor221 | and those take ammo |
| 01:06.49 | [STC]_creeperz | What's Pat talking about? |
| 01:06.52 | Patlabor221 | frank is frank |
| 01:06.58 | Patlabor221 | stuff :) |
| 01:06.59 | [STC]_creeperz | I know :-) |
| 01:07.01 | Noodleman_ | screamers, i think |
| 01:07.02 | *** join/#bzflag Zerak (~400460bb@203.194.240.139) |
| 01:07.04 | Patlabor221 | I need to updat the doc |
| 01:07.04 | bzfrank | ah, can you hold two weapons at the same time? |
| 01:07.15 | [STC]_creeperz | bzfrank: You are working on Project 2105 right? |
| 01:07.21 | Patlabor221 | current spec says 3 but I need to change that, it's too complex |
| 01:07.25 | bzfrank | 2501 ;) |
| 01:07.31 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea :-) |
| 01:07.33 | bzfrank | I resurrected it last weekend ;) |
| 01:07.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Can I get a build of it? |
| 01:07.43 | Patlabor221 | 1 default wep, 1 rear rack item, and 3 accessories |
| 01:07.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 01:07.44 | bzfrank | soon, i hope |
| 01:07.53 | [STC]_creeperz | Well, can I just try it out? |
| 01:07.59 | bzfrank | fixed a couple of bugs, still more to do |
| 01:08.02 | Patlabor221 | what is there left to do on it? |
| 01:08.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Get a full functional preview? |
| 01:08.12 | Patlabor221 | and do you need a CVS server for it? |
| 01:08.25 | [STC]_creeperz | Patlabor221: It sounds like Screamers is coming along VERY nicely! |
| 01:08.38 | Patlabor221 | scremers needs an assload of work |
| 01:08.41 | bzfrank | well, debugging most... network has some bad bug that could cause world state to go out of sync (happens seldom but still annnyoing) |
| 01:08.46 | [STC]_creeperz | You ever get the colision detection to fully work? |
| 01:08.58 | bzfrank | also I have no menus in yet ... everything is by console |
| 01:09.01 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 01:09.06 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:09.11 | Patlabor221 | I'm rebuilding my menu system now |
| 01:09.13 | [STC]_creeperz | That sucks |
| 01:09.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 01:09.19 | Patlabor221 | just finished a new font renderer |
| 01:09.24 | bzfrank | I hate doing menus, senseless time ;) |
| 01:09.31 | Patlabor221 | takes kerning into account |
| 01:09.40 | [STC]_creeperz | And maybe make it so when you're on the last option, and you fush up once that it don't jump to 0 |
| 01:09.42 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 01:09.55 | Patlabor221 | yes creeper that has been fixed |
| 01:09.59 | Patlabor221 | since all that code is GONE |
| 01:10.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Are yu sure? :-) |
| 01:10.05 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:10.09 | Patlabor221 | you just don't have it |
| 01:10.12 | [STC]_creeperz | 100% |
| 01:10.14 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 01:10.26 | Patlabor221 | the new menus look difrent even |
| 01:10.35 | Patlabor221 | and fade transistion |
| 01:10.35 | [STC]_creeperz | Got a screenie? |
| 01:10.41 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 01:10.44 | [STC]_creeperz | Darn |
| 01:10.49 | Patlabor221 | cus they crash like a pig :) |
| 01:10.57 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 01:11.02 | bzfrank | *oink*oink* ;= |
| 01:11.17 | [STC]_creeperz | I ****ing hate you :-) |
| 01:11.22 | bzfrank | you use any GUI lib or do everything yourself? |
| 01:11.39 | Patlabor221 | I have my own menu panel manager |
| 01:12.17 | Patlabor221 | bahh the more I look at it, the more I do not like the mk4. will stick with mk3. for now |
| 01:13.21 | bzfrank | well, maybe I need to work on such a beastie myself too. I put a lot work in the collision response lately, now it is smooth even for arbiarty surfaces and meshes *pfffue* |
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| 01:13.40 | [STC]_creeperz | bzfrank: You have it liscensed? |
| 01:13.42 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 01:13.48 | bzfrank | what? |
| 01:13.57 | [STC]_creeperz | Your project |
| 01:14.05 | Patalbor221 | ahhh there we go dual monitors a workin again. |
| 01:14.07 | bzfrank | licensed? |
| 01:14.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Patlabor221: I have a single 15" :-( DON'T TEASE ME! :-) |
| 01:14.42 | bzfrank | I don't quite understand you question? What do I have licensed from whom? ;) |
| 01:15.07 | Patlabor221 | huh? I was down to 1 19", and how is that teasing you? |
| 01:15.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 01:15.17 | Patlabor221 | I think he means are you GPLing it |
| 01:15.27 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 01:15.36 | bzfrank | Ah that... nope, not quite |
| 01:15.44 | bzfrank | some parts will be BSD licensed |
| 01:15.56 | [STC]_creeperz | BSD? |
| 01:15.59 | [STC]_creeperz | What's that? |
| 01:16.07 | bzfrank | the network authenticator is closed source |
| 01:16.16 | [STC]_creeperz | oh |
| 01:16.19 | Patlabor221 | what would you steal? you can't even code. |
| 01:16.26 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 01:16.28 | [STC]_creeperz | :-/ |
| 01:16.33 | [STC]_creeperz | The name! |
| 01:16.36 | [STC]_creeperz | MUHAHAHAHAHA! |
| 01:16.53 | Patlabor221 | the name is copywright, it's not part of the code liscense |
| 01:17.00 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 01:17.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Man, you're such a party-crapper |
| 01:17.18 | [STC]_creeperz | pooper* |
| 01:17.19 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 01:17.23 | bzfrank | and beside, nobody can give up 'copyright' here in Old Europe ;) |
| 01:18.06 | bzfrank | different copyright laws... |
| 01:18.44 | Patlabor221 | very much so |
| 01:19.00 | Patlabor221 | isn't there something in Germany where the copywright expires? |
| 01:19.17 | Patlabor221 | thought I heard some lawer trying to sue linus for the linux name |
| 01:19.30 | bzfrank | 70 after death of author |
| 01:19.34 | bzfrank | 70 years |
| 01:19.44 | Patlabor221 | maybe it was trademark then |
| 01:19.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Patents expire in the US :( |
| 01:19.59 | Patlabor221 | not talking about patents |
| 01:20.03 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 01:20.03 | bzfrank | no, Von Gravenreuth wants to declare "Linux" as trademark invalid |
| 01:20.19 | Patlabor221 | what is his reason? |
| 01:20.46 | bzfrank | because it is entered in the trademark register also for records and CDs, cars and electronic devices not just for software |
| 01:21.20 | bzfrank | and there is a term here - if you don't use a trademark for 5 years for the products your registered it for, it becomes invalid |
| 01:21.30 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 01:21.36 | Patlabor221 | and he wants to get a lot of money |
| 01:21.52 | [STC]_creeperz | *COUGH*HITLER SUCKS*COUGH* |
| 01:21.57 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 01:22.03 | bzfrank | no, I actually don't see his motivation except getting a lot of booo booo ;) |
| 01:22.08 | Patlabor221 | creeper what the hell was that? |
| 01:22.30 | [STC]_creeperz | ibot...Please explain to Patlabor221 |
| 01:22.33 | Patlabor221 | didn't he do it recently for some other software thing |
| 01:22.47 | bzfrank | creeper: this topic was closed 1945, get over it... ;) |
| 01:23.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Is it because the war's over and you're senind us home? |
| 01:23.21 | bzfrank | at least not for records and cd ;) mabye some linux song in the future ;) |
| 01:24.13 | bzfrank | it is because the 'War' is over since a very long time and there are much more nazis on your side on the big pond than on ours now... |
| 01:24.40 | Patlabor221 | he's talking about something else and thinks it's funny |
| 01:24.41 | bzfrank | no offense meant ;) |
| 01:24.45 | Patlabor221 | it's best just to ignore him |
| 01:24.53 | Patlabor221 | he's talking about a funny short |
| 01:25.03 | Patlabor221 | shot in Halo |
| 01:25.21 | Patlabor221 | what does P2501 use for it's font rendering. |
| 01:25.23 | bzfrank | no problem, I only *hate* these nazi callers on some servers that used to mock me for my nickname 'onkel frank' |
| 01:25.47 | bzfrank | DT_drawtext |
| 01:25.47 | Patlabor221 | he's just a very very angry 13 year ols |
| 01:25.53 | Patlabor221 | DT? |
| 01:26.10 | Patlabor221 | an STL thing? |
| 01:26.25 | bzfrank | yep, some free 'texture' rendering thing |
| 01:26.38 | bzfrank | quite fast and easy to use |
| 01:26.44 | Patlabor221 | where does it get the texture from? |
| 01:26.49 | Patlabor221 | right from TTF? |
| 01:27.01 | bzfrank | nope, there are several predefined fonts |
| 01:27.06 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 01:27.18 | Patlabor221 | I made a tool that exported a font image and a data file |
| 01:27.28 | bzfrank | Written By: Garrett Banuk <mongoose@mongeese.org> |
| 01:27.42 | Patlabor221 | then the font manager trys to fit the closest font sise image to the sise you want |
| 01:27.50 | bzfrank | completely free, I used it, it fits like a glove... ;) |
| 01:27.56 | Patlabor221 | nice |
| 01:28.11 | bzfrank | your fonts are looking very nice indeed |
| 01:28.31 | Patlabor221 | well the new font manager is not in that one you have |
| 01:28.35 | Patlabor221 | so those are monospaced |
| 01:29.46 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/FontTest.png |
| 01:29.47 | bzfrank | ok |
| 01:29.53 | Patlabor221 | that's a test of the new font lib |
| 01:30.23 | bzfrank | well, i could through in my postscript interpreter but that would be overkill I ponder ;) |
| 01:30.32 | Patlabor221 | just maybe :) |
| 01:30.59 | bzfrank | still a script interpreter in... my worlds are in fact scripts |
| 01:31.14 | bzfrank | using a c-alike language |
| 01:31.56 | Patlabor221 | I'm probably going to hook up a python based class loader |
| 01:32.19 | Patlabor221 | so that classes can be loaded from DLLs, Shared OBjects, or scripts |
| 01:32.30 | bzfrank | thats nice |
| 01:33.09 | bzfrank | how do you plan to do world synchronization? |
| 01:33.27 | Patlabor221 | like client server state matching? |
| 01:33.48 | Patlabor221 | or just geting the map and content over? |
| 01:34.30 | bzfrank | both |
| 01:34.42 | bzfrank | its the same in some respect |
| 01:35.14 | bzfrank | also to be sure every client is running the same setup... |
| 01:35.16 | Patlabor221 | well the map is sent by the server, if the client doesn't have any of the content ( textures/models/sounds, etc.. ) then it asks the server for it's Conent Management server |
| 01:35.39 | Patlabor221 | each world object has a classname that is it's class and version number |
| 01:35.48 | bzfrank | and then send all the gizmos |
| 01:35.53 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 01:36.17 | Patlabor221 | then the game server keeps a full gamestate for each room on the server |
| 01:36.33 | Patlabor221 | and sends autorive updates to the client |
| 01:36.47 | Patlabor221 | if they fall too out of line they are bumped to observer |
| 01:36.55 | bzfrank | so how should new objects appear? a client sends a e.g. shot created message to the server and this one relays it? |
| 01:37.32 | Patlabor221 | client shoots, sends the shot packet with it's start time, then keeps drawing asuming that the packet goes thru ok. |
| 01:37.45 | Patlabor221 | the server gets it and send it with the start time to all the other players |
| 01:37.52 | Patlabor221 | and back to the origonal player |
| 01:38.07 | bzfrank | back? |
| 01:38.12 | bzfrank | as ack? |
| 01:38.36 | Patlabor221 | that and in case there was a timing glitch between the shooter and server |
| 01:38.43 | Patlabor221 | then everyone has the same state info |
| 01:39.08 | Patlabor221 | the server trys to maintain a lag offset for each player to keep a conttant time base for everyone |
| 01:39.09 | bzfrank | I did this also but found it wanting... |
| 01:39.28 | Patlabor221 | basicly it just punishes the laggy |
| 01:39.39 | Patlabor221 | not those who have to watch him |
| 01:40.07 | Patlabor221 | pluss it lets the server know who is trying to cheat |
| 01:40.11 | Patlabor221 | and just bump them |
| 01:40.41 | Patlabor221 | this is all just in my head tho, don't know how it will workin real world :) |
| 01:40.50 | bzfrank | so the server also checks if a shot position is feasable? |
| 01:40.54 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:41.02 | Patlabor221 | acording to the current game logic |
| 01:41.11 | Patlabor221 | the server has the game logic code as well |
| 01:41.38 | bzfrank | so you plan arbiatary objects for buildings? |
| 01:41.55 | Patlabor221 | a mesh object is one of the current map objects |
| 01:41.57 | bzfrank | soups of polys so to speak |
| 01:42.02 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 01:42.13 | Patlabor221 | but BZ type parametrics are allowed as well |
| 01:42.19 | bzfrank | I ask because this one is VERY sensitive to initial conditions |
| 01:42.34 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 01:42.34 | bzfrank | e.g. if shot or object position differ slightly across the netowrk |
| 01:43.06 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if I'm going to do shot boucing |
| 01:43.15 | bzfrank | in bzflag it is quite trivial because there are only 90 degree angles (beside the pyramids) |
| 01:43.16 | Patlabor221 | but the server does hit detection |
| 01:43.48 | Patlabor221 | yes, it may be a probelm, but I will have to see |
| 01:44.08 | bzfrank | but who is authoratively updating object positions? |
| 01:44.23 | Patlabor221 | the server can send an authoritive update on any object |
| 01:44.35 | Patlabor221 | the client will then predict the best it can. |
| 01:44.56 | bzfrank | so as soon as the server detects a 'bounce' it updates a shot? |
| 01:44.58 | Patlabor221 | I may need to send an upate when a shot like that crosses a mesh |
| 01:45.07 | Patlabor221 | or a hit, or something like that yeah |
| 01:45.16 | bzfrank | (don't wnat ot bother you, but this very problem took me a while...) |
| 01:45.24 | Patlabor221 | I can imagine |
| 01:45.35 | Patlabor221 | I've been pondering it for a long while as well |
| 01:46.10 | Patlabor221 | authoritive servers is the only way I can see to ensure a clean game for the majority of players |
| 01:46.25 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure no mater what there will be cases where it's can get funky |
| 01:46.42 | Patlabor221 | but at least with an autortitive server everyone sees the same thing. |
| 01:46.48 | bzfrank | they only come with a price - lag increases |
| 01:47.04 | Patlabor221 | I an not planing on supporting dialup that much |
| 01:47.27 | bzfrank | right now I do the 'heavy' client dance with a 'checking' server that also haolds the world state for newcomers |
| 01:47.57 | Patlabor221 | my client will be cabable of caluating everything |
| 01:48.05 | Patlabor221 | but it knows not to trust itself |
| 01:48.21 | bzfrank | and there is no difference to sendnig the world (map) than to the normal game logic. P2501 migrates and updates objects |
| 01:48.25 | Patlabor221 | plus for large games, you would want to span them across multiple servers in a shared rooms |
| 01:48.37 | bzfrank | true |
| 01:48.53 | Patlabor221 | its similar here, everying is derived from the same object class |
| 01:49.34 | Patlabor221 | the game logic just registers what ever objects it needs when it fires up |
| 01:49.42 | Patlabor221 | and the map loads them up by name. |
| 01:49.48 | bzfrank | Since I originate from the Objective-C/Smalltalk fraction I did a very flat class design myself. data is the key ;) |
| 01:50.07 | Patlabor221 | I use lots of derived clases |
| 01:50.31 | bzfrank | different here |
| 01:50.56 | Patlabor221 | I made it so it's REALY easy to add new map objects |
| 01:51.06 | bzfrank | everything is a game object, regardless of particle, tank, tree, building, etc. |
| 01:51.27 | Patlabor221 | you just add your derived class, change what you need. register a factory, and put it in the map. |
| 01:51.43 | bzfrank | one way to do it, sure |
| 01:51.52 | Patlabor221 | everythign here is derived off of CBaseObject |
| 01:52.00 | bzfrank | FXFObject here ;) |
| 01:52.10 | Patlabor221 | that provides a number of base serviveces |
| 01:52.23 | bzfrank | cloning, serializing, etc. |
| 01:52.30 | Patlabor221 | then there are CBaseWorldObject, and CBaseMObject. |
| 01:52.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah each object knows how to read and write it'self |
| 01:53.42 | Patlabor221 | I just keep the world state in 2 lists ( stuff that usualy moves, and stuff that usualy dosn't) |
| 01:53.46 | Patlabor221 | for ease in ligting |
| 01:53.59 | bzfrank | I use partition fields for that purpose |
| 01:54.12 | Patlabor221 | I'm going to partition the world as well |
| 01:54.21 | Patlabor221 | for vis calcs |
| 01:54.39 | bzfrank | also for colision detection! |
| 01:54.53 | bzfrank | otherwise you ran into timeing problems fast |
| 01:55.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah it would help there |
| 01:55.22 | Patlabor221 | I have a "get objects in radius" func, it can be changed as needed |
| 01:56.27 | Patlabor221 | here's a pic of it looking rather BZish :) http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/sample.png |
| 01:56.53 | bzfrank | nice! |
| 01:57.22 | bzfrank | I need some better models soon! |
| 01:57.28 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com) |
| 01:57.35 | Patlabor221 | turbosquid :) |
| 01:57.41 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 01:58.05 | bzfrank | yeah |
| 01:58.58 | Patlabor221 | I have ponderd geting this , http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/195361/Action/FullPreview |
| 01:59.27 | bzfrank | 160 USD! |
| 01:59.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah not to bad |
| 01:59.39 | bzfrank | they look very nice for sure, but 160... |
| 01:59.54 | Patlabor221 | thats cheap for good content |
| 02:00.33 | bzfrank | how are the usage conditions? |
| 02:00.45 | bzfrank | can you put the models on the GPL'd game? |
| 02:00.58 | Patlabor221 | not sure. |
| 02:01.14 | Patlabor221 | probalby, you just can't GPL the models |
| 02:01.21 | Patlabor221 | basicly, no tweak |
| 02:01.24 | Patlabor221 | I have to read up on it |
| 02:01.52 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net) |
| 02:02.01 | bzfrank | they look like battle ships ;) |
| 02:02.05 | [STC]_creeperz | What? |
| 02:02.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Who? |
| 02:02.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Where? |
| 02:02.29 | bzfrank | http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/195361/Action/FullPreview |
| 02:03.01 | [STC]_creeperz | I've seen it a quite some time ago |
| 02:03.11 | [STC]_creeperz | Well |
| 02:03.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Not all of them TOGETHER |
| 02:03.23 | [STC]_creeperz | But I've seen all of them |
| 02:04.12 | [STC]_creeperz | $159.00 isn't too bad for all of them :-/ |
| 02:04.40 | [STC]_creeperz | About $129.50 too much for me :-) |
| 02:04.45 | bzfrank | depends on the license, it 160 is only for ONE game client it is very expensive |
| 02:04.46 | Patlabor221 | looks like, basicly " you payed for it, you do what you want with it" |
| 02:05.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Well, I have to go |
| 02:05.08 | [STC]_creeperz | I'll be back later |
| 02:05.25 | bzfrank | "except relicensing it" |
| 02:05.26 | bzfrank | :) |
| 02:05.42 | Patlabor221 | don't know about that |
| 02:06.07 | bzfrank | Thats just a guess... |
| 02:06.15 | bzfrank | I havn't read the license agreement |
| 02:08.33 | Patlabor221 | Rights Granted. The member grants to the 3rd party who either purchases license rights to content via a valid sale, or downloads freely available content submitted by the member, a non-exclusive, non-transferable, worldwide, royalty-free license to: publicly perform, publicly display, and digitally perform said content. |
| 02:09.05 | Patlabor221 | you can't resell it tho |
| 02:09.28 | bzfrank | so it depends on what 'performs' means. Does this include shipping the models and textures in 'open' form? |
| 02:09.53 | Patlabor221 | they have stuff in game formats now that are used in some games |
| 02:09.57 | bzfrank | anyway, you can ask this guy for sure.... |
| 02:10.00 | Patlabor221 | so it must be ok |
| 02:10.45 | bzfrank | still they look nice, only a bit too darkish, ghoulish so to say ;) |
| 02:11.05 | Patlabor221 | heh, yeah, I would change the textures a bit tho |
| 02:12.15 | bzfrank | tanks must come in happy colors, pink, red, whatever... |
| 02:12.29 | Patlabor221 | well.... they at least need team colors |
| 02:12.34 | Patlabor221 | on parts of them |
| 02:12.36 | bzfrank | yep |
| 02:12.51 | bzfrank | well, my teams also have different models |
| 02:13.21 | Patlabor221 | I allow difrent models per player, and a number of textures per team |
| 02:13.21 | bzfrank | but all models share the same collision model to even the odds |
| 02:13.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah I may go with your type of "losenge" model for ship clolisions |
| 02:13.58 | Patlabor221 | or a cylinder |
| 02:14.11 | bzfrank | its an elipsoid here |
| 02:14.27 | Patlabor221 | thats the word :) |
| 02:15.45 | Patlabor221 | thought about making them turni into giant robots too :) |
| 02:16.19 | bzfrank | like: http://www.youngsmodulus.com/ ? |
| 02:16.41 | Patlabor221 | much better looking then that |
| 02:17.30 | Patlabor221 | more like this http://www.microforever.com/gundamfix/0003.htm |
| 02:18.00 | bzfrank | now thats a robot! :) |
| 02:18.11 | Patlabor221 | a yup |
| 02:19.01 | Patlabor221 | or that http://www.microforever.com/gundamfix/0005.htm |
| 02:19.16 | Patlabor221 | my personal fav |
| 02:19.18 | Patlabor221 | http://www.microforever.com/gundamfix/0011.htm |
| 02:19.33 | bzfrank | wow |
| 02:19.47 | bzfrank | upps |
| 02:19.58 | Patlabor221 | sadly 11 is too hard to find :( |
| 02:20.15 | bzfrank | you are a collector? |
| 02:20.38 | Patlabor221 | no, I just like giant robots :) |
| 02:21.08 | Patlabor221 | used this as a test model at one point |
| 02:21.09 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/reviews/quake3/vf1j/vf1j.shtml |
| 02:22.10 | bzfrank | Ah, that I know - I flew it in MS Flight Simulator 2002! |
| 02:22.30 | bzfrank | There is a transformer robot to looks just like them |
| 02:23.00 | Patlabor221 | jetfire |
| 02:23.05 | bzfrank | (You know you can load some pretty funny stuff as aircrafts ;)) |
| 02:23.10 | Patlabor221 | he used the VF-1S as the toy |
| 02:23.29 | Patlabor221 | ahh here we go someone made the gundam into a model |
| 02:23.29 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/polycount/info/quake3/gp0176/gp0176.shtml |
| 02:24.20 | bzfrank | you use md3 as object format? |
| 02:24.25 | Patlabor221 | I can |
| 02:24.40 | Patlabor221 | model manger will read any of 4 formats |
| 02:24.57 | bzfrank | why that much? |
| 02:24.59 | Patlabor221 | obj, MD3, U3d, and my own A3d. |
| 02:25.08 | Patlabor221 | just the code I had :) |
| 02:25.11 | bzfrank | ah |
| 02:25.23 | Patlabor221 | makes it easy to pop Quake3 map models in there :) |
| 02:25.35 | bzfrank | true |
| 02:25.50 | Patlabor221 | I convert most things to A3d, since it can hold everything the model manager can do |
| 02:26.06 | bzfrank | your own format |
| 02:26.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah, realy just a binary dump of the internal structs |
| 02:26.36 | Patlabor221 | but the class knows how to read and write it |
| 02:26.39 | Patlabor221 | so I have a converter |
| 02:27.02 | Patlabor221 | for most static objects OBJ works just fine |
| 02:27.02 | bzfrank | the chicken is a md3... |
| 02:27.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:27.12 | bzfrank | for the animation |
| 02:27.18 | Patlabor221 | the flag was a UT3d, now it's an A3d |
| 02:27.42 | Patlabor221 | the flag is insane tho |
| 02:27.53 | bzfrank | it looks nice for sure |
| 02:27.57 | Patlabor221 | 1k+ tris, and like 160 frames of anim |
| 02:28.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:28.05 | Patlabor221 | it better for 7 megs of data |
| 02:28.39 | bzfrank | uhh! |
| 02:29.04 | bzfrank | mine is just 2 tris and 16 frames of texture anim |
| 02:29.13 | Patlabor221 | I have been reading up on the lightwave cloth animation stuff, so I'll be able to make a new flag |
| 02:29.41 | Patlabor221 | well I want a purdy one that fwaps in the wind :) |
| 02:30.05 | bzfrank | the tricky part was to keep it fluttering in the wind direction even when the tank jumps and turns in air... |
| 02:30.06 | Patlabor221 | but like 200 tris, and about 30 frames |
| 02:30.18 | Patlabor221 | well I was gonna go more then that |
| 02:30.41 | Patlabor221 | it should flutter in product of the movment vector and the wind vector |
| 02:30.43 | Patlabor221 | normalised |
| 02:31.27 | Patlabor221 | I tried to hook it up but it was funky so I just left it locked to the ship |
| 02:31.45 | bzfrank | I just use the tank movement if the tank is faster than a certain base level, otherwise it turns slowly in the wind direction |
| 02:32.22 | Patlabor221 | well that's fakin it :) |
| 02:32.36 | bzfrank | it looks good, thats what counts! :) |
| 02:32.56 | Patlabor221 | this is true |
| 02:33.25 | Patlabor221 | I will be revisting it later when I do a real CTF flag pickup |
| 02:33.35 | Patlabor221 | it was just a test of atachement |
| 02:33.45 | bzfrank | at least my pickup is not faked |
| 02:34.03 | bzfrank | ;) |
| 02:34.12 | Patlabor221 | hey at least you have them |
| 02:34.49 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o Patlabor221] by TimRiker |
| 02:34.56 | bzfrank | also a tricky thing, to make sure a flag is only take by one tank if both are 'catching' it the same "time" (time point smeared over the network) |
| 02:35.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah you don't get the pickup untill the server tells you that you do |
| 02:35.26 | Patlabor221 | so it can arbitrate |
| 02:35.41 | bzfrank | well, it does not look 'right' if you wait for the roundtrip |
| 02:36.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah but sadly it's the only thing that can be done |
| 02:36.10 | bzfrank | sure |
| 02:36.20 | Patlabor221 | I could do a thing where if noone was around you it could asume |
| 02:36.55 | Patlabor221 | and since you have to swich to the wep as well, that could let some time to get back the packet |
| 02:37.29 | bzfrank | not here, the server only relays to the others never to the sender |
| 02:37.52 | Patlabor221 | what do you do in the case where you get a dual pickup? |
| 02:38.06 | bzfrank | right now the flag multiplies ;) |
| 02:38.13 | bzfrank | both get the falg |
| 02:38.19 | Patlabor221 | thats not good |
| 02:38.24 | Patlabor221 | what if it's a CTF flag? |
| 02:38.32 | bzfrank | no CTF mode here |
| 02:39.33 | bzfrank | I can easily handle this by a server arbitration, but as long as there is no CTF mode... |
| 02:40.35 | bzfrank | Currently only SOS and KTB modes are implemented |
| 02:40.59 | bzfrank | SOS = Shoot on Sight |
| 02:41.02 | *** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net) |
| 02:41.06 | bzfrank | KTB = Kick The Ball |
| 02:42.33 | Patlabor221 | what is the idea behind KTB? |
| 02:42.44 | Patlabor221 | just keep runin into a ball? |
| 02:43.25 | bzfrank | soccer! |
| 02:43.29 | bzfrank | soccer with tanks |
| 02:43.35 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 02:43.41 | Patlabor221 | mine will be like hockey |
| 02:43.43 | bzfrank | one ball, two teams |
| 02:43.50 | [STC]_creeperz | I was thinking about a game style on BZFlag like that |
| 02:43.58 | [STC]_creeperz | bzfrank |
| 02:44.08 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 02:44.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Then I thought about another game style |
| 02:44.28 | bzfrank | that is? |
| 02:44.33 | [STC]_creeperz | It's called "Tag" |
| 02:44.38 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 02:44.51 | [STC]_creeperz | If you're not it, you cannot fire |
| 02:45.10 | bzfrank | so how to get 'Tagged'? |
| 02:45.21 | [STC]_creeperz | And if you get hit by the "it" person, then you die, respawn, and then you are "it" |
| 02:45.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Either by a shot or the person itself |
| 02:45.38 | Patlabor221 | so it's a game of runnin away |
| 02:45.40 | bzfrank | so, there is one killer and a lot of sheep |
| 02:45.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Open to suggestion |
| 02:45.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Pretty much |
| 02:45.56 | Patlabor221 | CTC is like that backwards |
| 02:46.03 | [STC]_creeperz | CTC? |
| 02:46.11 | Patlabor221 | Capture the Chicken |
| 02:46.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 02:46.19 | Patlabor221 | he who has the chicken, can not fire |
| 02:46.19 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 02:46.26 | bzfrank | how should this work out? |
| 02:46.28 | Patlabor221 | everyone else can, and can not die. |
| 02:46.29 | bzfrank | ahh |
| 02:46.33 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:46.39 | [STC]_creeperz | That would be pretty odd |
| 02:46.41 | Patlabor221 | and the chicken shows up BIG on radar |
| 02:46.43 | [STC]_creeperz | But not too bad |
| 02:46.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:46.51 | Patlabor221 | you get points for holding on to the chicken |
| 02:47.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Kinda like bagman on Red Factin2 |
| 02:47.05 | Patlabor221 | you kill the chicken holder, you get the cicken |
| 02:47.08 | [STC]_creeperz | Faction* |
| 02:47.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Hey, Tim |
| 02:47.19 | bzfrank | hi tim |
| 02:47.19 | TimRiker | I'd like a "size by score" game mode. |
| 02:47.29 | Patlabor221 | Fatboy!!! |
| 02:47.31 | bzfrank | the more points the 'Fatter' the tank? |
| 02:47.33 | [STC]_creeperz | Can Ie oeffer you a beeear? |
| 02:47.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:47.37 | TimRiker | the lower your points the smaller you are. the bigger, the larger. |
| 02:47.47 | Patlabor221 | it's been done in UT and it's realy fun |
| 02:47.50 | [STC]_creeperz | That seems cool |
| 02:47.53 | Patlabor221 | I was allways huge :) |
| 02:47.58 | [STC]_creeperz | HEH |
| 02:48.01 | bzfrank | but soon they will end up in fat boys country! :) |
| 02:48.06 | [STC]_creeperz | I've only played UC |
| 02:48.14 | TimRiker | custom maps could make that even more interesting. |
| 02:48.23 | Patlabor221 | it was cool cus they made the player models expand along there normals, so it did look like fat. |
| 02:48.27 | TimRiker | you could get stuck if you get too big. ;-) |
| 02:48.44 | bzfrank | are there 'diet' flags to be found then? ;) |
| 02:48.56 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 02:49.12 | Patlabor221 | you die to get smaller |
| 02:49.20 | [STC]_creeperz | The last thing I would hate to see in BZFlag would be a Slim Fast floating in mid-air |
| 02:49.42 | bzfrank | well, I have beer bottles on the game field ;) |
| 02:50.02 | Patlabor221 | CTC is basicly "kill the guy with the ball" |
| 02:50.26 | [STC]_creeperz | That would probally be me |
| 02:50.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Even if I didn't have the ball :-) |
| 02:50.48 | Patlabor221 | if you don't have the ball, you can't die |
| 02:51.03 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh yes, you mentioned that earlier |
| 02:51.07 | [STC]_creeperz | My bad |
| 02:51.24 | Patlabor221 | I've also seen it called rabit chase |
| 02:51.29 | [STC]_creeperz | Ahh |
| 02:54.32 | Patlabor221 | the 7000$ one? |
| 02:54.44 | bzfrank | nope, this one is only 2600 Euro |
| 02:54.51 | Patlabor221 | what rez? |
| 02:54.58 | bzfrank | 1900x1200 |
| 02:55.25 | Patlabor221 | the one I want does 3600something by 2400 :) |
| 02:56.03 | bzfrank | you need two DVI connectors to feed it! :) |
| 02:56.08 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 02:56.18 | Patlabor221 | only does that res with some cards tho |
| 02:57.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Geez |
| 02:57.25 | [STC]_creeperz | I just set my screen rez to 1024x768 |
| 02:57.31 | bzfrank | this one is more el cheapo: http://www.holme.com/sony_multiscan_lcd_display.htm but at least I can afford it |
| 02:58.07 | [STC]_creeperz | My sister makes LCD screens for a living |
| 02:58.25 | bzfrank | makes them? |
| 02:58.35 | [STC]_creeperz | PRoduces them |
| 02:58.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Umm |
| 02:58.42 | [STC]_creeperz | Creates |
| 02:59.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Gives life to |
| 02:59.19 | bzfrank | ah, works in production |
| 02:59.31 | [STC]_creeperz | What? |
| 02:59.55 | Patlabor221 | didn't think there were any US panel fabs |
| 03:00.02 | bzfrank | Well, you can 'make' TFTs two ways: design them or produce them (work in a factory making them) |
| 03:00.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Produce* |
| 03:00.34 | Patlabor221 | to the make the panels there? or just put them in the cases for the monitors? |
| 03:00.34 | bzfrank | at least there is no such fab in Germany, all our screens are from the fasr east |
| 03:01.26 | bzfrank | for some unknown reason they still tax them heavily to 'support' the local industry (that is non.exisiting in this sector ;)) |
| 03:02.08 | Patlabor221 | yeah there arn't many non asian fabs of any type around anywhere |
| 03:04.14 | bzfrank | they only buy the TFTs and put them in the cases, plant a Siemens sticker on them and thats it... |
| 03:05.19 | bzfrank | BZFlag on a 24' inch screen is nice, thou... |
| 03:05.46 | Patlabor221 | it looks good on a projector as well |
| 03:06.06 | Patlabor221 | found one behind the couch one day |
| 03:06.08 | bzfrank | I get motion sick too fast on a projector |
| 03:06.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Patlabor221: I have EXACTLY 666MB of TRIGUN :-) |
| 03:06.55 | Patlabor221 | I asume that's a good thing? |
| 03:08.50 | bzfrank | what is TRIGUN? |
| 03:09.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Kick a- anime |
| 03:09.03 | Patlabor221 | well this GeForceFX hasn't exploded yet so thats good |
| 03:09.12 | Patlabor221 | it has lots of shooting |
| 03:09.25 | [STC]_creeperz | And Cowboy Beebop don't?! |
| 03:09.35 | Patlabor221 | not as much |
| 03:09.40 | [STC]_creeperz | True |
| 03:09.41 | Patlabor221 | it isn't all about the shooting |
| 03:09.50 | [STC]_creeperz | Then why did you mention it? |
| 03:10.00 | Patlabor221 | cowboby beepob is an exelent action anime |
| 03:10.30 | [STC]_creeperz | So is Trigun |
| 03:10.39 | [STC]_creeperz | "Munchkin" |
| 03:10.41 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:10.45 | [STC]_creeperz | I said it for yu |
| 03:10.49 | Patlabor221 | from what I have seen trigun has less of a story |
| 03:10.51 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 03:11.05 | [STC]_creeperz | What episode did you see? |
| 03:11.15 | Patlabor221 | cowboybeebop has a good story and the violence does not drive it |
| 03:11.39 | Patlabor221 | from what I have read trigun is targeted at a younger audience who just wants to see flash bang action. |
| 03:11.48 | [STC]_creeperz | And it has no "humorous" parts in it. I'm talking about Cowboy Beebop |
| 03:11.56 | Patlabor221 | the acton defines the story, it dosn't highlight the drama of the story. |
| 03:12.12 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat, I am hardly EVER ready to watch "FLASH-BANG" crap |
| 03:12.13 | Patlabor221 | CBB has tons of humor |
| 03:12.28 | Patlabor221 | the fact that ed is a girl |
| 03:12.29 | [STC]_creeperz | ICK! |
| 03:12.39 | Patlabor221 | bell pepers and beef with no beef.; |
| 03:12.41 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm changing from my ear buds to my head-phones |
| 03:12.47 | [STC]_creeperz | What? |
| 03:14.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat: Maybe you should WATCH Trigun before you criticize it |
| 03:14.05 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 03:14.12 | Patlabor221 | perhaps |
| 03:14.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Maybe |
| 03:14.37 | Patlabor221 | but I have talked to people who have seen it, and the concured with my sinopsis |
| 03:15.46 | [STC]_creeperz | Watch it yourself |
| 03:15.53 | [STC]_creeperz | Maybe you might like it |
| 03:16.01 | [STC]_creeperz | And not those other people |
| 03:16.02 | Patlabor221 | I may, if I can find a place to get it for free |
| 03:16.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Kazaa |
| 03:16.17 | Patlabor221 | I shall look |
| 03:16.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Hell, I'll ZIP it for yu |
| 03:16.24 | [STC]_creeperz | All episodes |
| 03:16.28 | Patlabor221 | it's a TV series right? |
| 03:16.34 | [STC]_creeperz | And some music video things |
| 03:16.37 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 03:16.47 | Patlabor221 | I prefer OVAs to serieses if I can help it |
| 03:16.53 | [STC]_creeperz | But it's a litle tricky to follow in the middle |
| 03:17.01 | [STC]_creeperz | OVA? |
| 03:17.33 | bzfrank | later folks, need some sleep! |
| 03:17.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh, pat, Vash doesn't like killing or pain :-) |
| 03:17.38 | Patlabor221 | see ya frank |
| 03:17.41 | [STC]_creeperz | See yu |
| 03:17.44 | bzfrank | cu |
| 03:17.51 | Patlabor221 | and how many people does he shoot? |
| 03:17.58 | [STC]_creeperz | Many |
| 03:18.21 | [STC]_creeperz | But then again, in every action show, at least someone dies |
| 03:18.30 | Patlabor221 | so that fact realy means nothing to the story? |
| 03:18.43 | [STC]_creeperz | What? |
| 03:18.46 | [STC]_creeperz | No |
| 03:18.53 | [STC]_creeperz | Vash doesn't kill them |
| 03:18.58 | [STC]_creeperz | Enemies do |
| 03:19.04 | Patlabor221 | but he shots them |
| 03:19.18 | [STC]_creeperz | And his brother (Knives) controls his big a- gun of his right arm |
| 03:19.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 03:19.31 | [STC]_creeperz | How the hell else is he going to beat them |
| 03:19.42 | Patlabor221 | well he could try talking to them |
| 03:19.43 | [STC]_creeperz | And most of the time, he doesn't shoot them |
| 03:19.47 | [STC]_creeperz | LOL! |
| 03:19.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Are you out of your mind! |
| 03:19.59 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 03:20.19 | Patlabor221 | so it is a munchkin anime |
| 03:20.26 | [STC]_creeperz | HAHA! |
| 03:20.35 | Patlabor221 | if they treat there world that black and white then it must be. |
| 03:20.41 | [STC]_creeperz | You'll never try anything for yourself, will yu? |
| 03:20.49 | Patlabor221 | of course I do |
| 03:20.56 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 03:20.57 | Patlabor221 | like i said I've read up on it a bit |
| 03:21.02 | Patlabor221 | cus I was going to buy them all |
| 03:21.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Watch a damn episode! |
| 03:21.10 | Patlabor221 | bit it didn't look worth my time. |
| 03:21.11 | [STC]_creeperz | No. 1 |
| 03:21.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 03:21.35 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm not really trying to get you to watch them if you don't wanna |
| 03:23.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Hell, you probally like Dragon Pink or something :-) |
| 03:23.20 | Patlabor221 | that is rather silly |
| 03:23.35 | [STC]_creeperz | I saw about 5 min. of it |
| 03:23.40 | [STC]_creeperz | Didn't like it :-/ |
| 03:23.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Have you ever seen It? |
| 03:23.55 | Patlabor221 | it's suposed to be silly |
| 03:23.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:23.58 | Patlabor221 | it was silly |
| 03:24.02 | Patlabor221 | funny silly |
| 03:24.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:24.04 | Patlabor221 | but silly |
| 03:24.06 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 03:24.53 | [STC]_creeperz | My friend brought over a list of anime he wanted me to download |
| 03:24.59 | [STC]_creeperz | On it was Gundam Wing |
| 03:25.17 | [STC]_creeperz | I said "You go waste your own computer on that crap" |
| 03:25.24 | [STC]_creeperz | He scribbled it out :-) |
| 03:25.25 | Patlabor221 | didn't quite care for GundamWing |
| 03:25.41 | Patlabor221 | Gundam 0088 stardust memory is much beter |
| 03:25.42 | [STC]_creeperz | I don't really find G-Gundam as appealing as GW |
| 03:25.57 | Patlabor221 | both of those were made to be "popular" |
| 03:26.03 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:26.22 | [STC]_creeperz | They really didn't have too much of a positive effect on me |
| 03:26.33 | Patlabor221 | you can tell what ones are made to be liked by the masses, like boybands and idol singers |
| 03:27.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Crap |
| 03:27.35 | [STC]_creeperz | I need to re-download Trigun-20 |
| 03:27.46 | [STC]_creeperz | No audio :-/ |
| 03:27.55 | Patlabor221 | Thanks Tim, I didn't even notice :) |
| 03:28.00 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:28.02 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:28.10 | Patlabor221 | you may need the latest codecs |
| 03:28.15 | [STC]_creeperz | I do |
| 03:28.40 | Patlabor221 | well I put ep 1 in the que so we shall see when it comes down |
| 03:28.53 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 03:29.11 | [STC]_creeperz | Just a little warning: Episode one was the oddest one so far besides 14 |
| 03:29.19 | Patlabor221 | collision response? |
| 03:29.35 | [STC]_creeperz | 14 I think was about his girl friend or some crap like that |
| 03:29.38 | captain_proton | perhaps i should make collisions actually work first |
| 03:29.43 | [STC]_creeperz | I really didn't pay attention |
| 03:29.48 | Patlabor221 | that would be a good prereq |
| 03:29.58 | captain_proton | i'm pondering completely ripping out coldet and crowbarring ODE in there |
| 03:30.24 | captain_proton | then we'd have response already |
| 03:30.33 | [STC]_creeperz | Damn. I left my mangas at my friend's house |
| 03:30.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Shonen Jump |
| 03:31.04 | Patlabor221 | cap, what ever you think is best |
| 03:31.11 | Patlabor221 | that's not a manga that's a mag |
| 03:31.14 | Patlabor221 | or zeen |
| 03:31.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Yes |
| 03:31.32 | Patlabor221 | cap what do you think? http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/imgs/Comparison.png |
| 03:31.40 | Patlabor221 | not sure if I like the new |
| 03:32.33 | Patlabor221 | definatly don't like the frames on the canopy |
| 03:32.47 | [STC]_creeperz | Damn |
| 03:32.58 | [STC]_creeperz | I think I have the worst computer in this channel |
| 03:33.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Woah |
| 03:33.13 | captain_proton | could you retexture it to give the 4 a canopy like the 3? |
| 03:33.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat: The frames are nice. But take them down a bit on the new and a little down |
| 03:33.28 | Patlabor221 | I was thinking of that |
| 03:33.32 | Patlabor221 | it's a geo change too |
| 03:33.36 | captain_proton | because i really like the canopy on the old one |
| 03:33.40 | Patlabor221 | the canopy is raised |
| 03:33.46 | Patlabor221 | yeah I do too now that i see this |
| 03:34.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:34.16 | [STC]_creeperz | How did you learn to make models that good? |
| 03:34.26 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 03:34.29 | Patlabor221 | just did |
| 03:34.42 | Patlabor221 | had some drafing and cad before |
| 03:34.45 | captain_proton | does the new one have the same engine texturing as the old? i can't tell from that angle |
| 03:34.47 | [STC]_creeperz | Ah |
| 03:35.00 | Patlabor221 | it's not textured back there yet |
| 03:35.03 | captain_proton | ahh |
| 03:35.04 | captain_proton | :) |
| 03:35.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat: Just shorten the window up a bit |
| 03:35.44 | [STC]_creeperz | Put that little thing back in the front the "dash" I guess |
| 03:35.45 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 03:35.57 | Patlabor221 | if I shorten them then they don't need to bulge up |
| 03:36.25 | [STC]_creeperz | But, then you just lower the bulge and move it more toward the center of the window |
| 03:36.39 | Patlabor221 | dosn't work like that man |
| 03:36.47 | [STC]_creeperz | :-/ |
| 03:36.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Darn |
| 03:36.52 | Patlabor221 | there is no geometry there to take up where I move the bulge from |
| 03:36.59 | [STC]_creeperz | True |
| 03:37.15 | [STC]_creeperz | But you can resize it slightly, right? |
| 03:37.28 | [STC]_creeperz | Then just kinda put it AROUND the glass? |
| 03:37.37 | [STC]_creeperz | You know what? |
| 03:37.48 | [STC]_creeperz | Don't listen to a word I'm saying, please |
| 03:37.58 | Patlabor221 | it would still extend to the nose |
| 03:38.01 | [STC]_creeperz | I have no idea what I'm really talking about |
| 03:38.07 | Patlabor221 | realy? |
| 03:38.23 | [STC]_creeperz | "I'm no stranger to sarcasm, sir" |
| 03:39.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Is Video Girl AI good? |
| 03:39.36 | Patlabor221 | it's old |
| 03:39.41 | Patlabor221 | all about sex jokes |
| 03:39.44 | [STC]_creeperz | It sounds it |
| 03:39.46 | [STC]_creeperz | Really? |
| 03:39.51 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 03:39.57 | [STC]_creeperz | Darn |
| 03:40.20 | [STC]_creeperz | My friend told me it was "Good clean fun" like off the cover of this book with a smile on his face |
| 03:41.10 | Patlabor221 | remeber the first rule of tech support, "the customer is allways lying" |
| 03:41.20 | *** join/#bzflag Noodleman_ (~chatzilla@bc183148.bendcable.com) |
| 03:41.23 | [STC]_creeperz | Hi |
| 03:41.36 | Noodleman_ | anyone have the helvetica ultra compressed font? |
| 03:41.42 | Noodleman_ | [STC]_creeperz: hey |
| 03:41.43 | [STC]_creeperz | No |
| 03:41.51 | [STC]_creeperz | Not you, Noodleman_! |
| 03:41.56 | [STC]_creeperz | Just kidding :-) |
| 03:41.59 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 03:42.00 | Patlabor221 | I may |
| 03:42.02 | Patlabor221 | let me look |
| 03:42.10 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodle |
| 03:42.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hm, thats how i approach support =) |
| 03:42.21 | [STC]_creeperz | Can you help me with a bot tomorrow or so? |
| 03:42.27 | Patlabor221 | well its freakin true |
| 03:42.44 | Noodleman_ | [STC]_creeperz: what do you want to do with it? |
| 03:42.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Kinda like Noodlebot |
| 03:42.55 | captain_proton | especially when the customers are professors |
| 03:42.59 | Noodleman_ | ah |
| 03:43.00 | [STC]_creeperz | But not him per se |
| 03:43.02 | Patlabor221 | unless they start by saying "how do I do.... I don' know how" |
| 03:43.10 | Patlabor221 | or machineest |
| 03:43.26 | Patlabor221 | noodle don't have it here, problably have it at work |
| 03:43.30 | Patlabor221 | can look tomrow |
| 03:43.32 | Noodleman_ | ok |
| 03:43.35 | Noodleman_ | thx |
| 03:43.55 | Noodleman_ | i want to do a spoof on wheaties |
| 03:44.03 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:44.05 | [STC]_creeperz | What? |
| 03:44.09 | Patlabor221 | we have like 40k fonts at work |
| 03:44.17 | [STC]_creeperz | Geez! |
| 03:44.23 | [STC]_creeperz | www.2000fonts.com |
| 03:44.33 | Patlabor221 | ummm no we have good fonts |
| 03:44.34 | Noodleman_ | something along the lines of "l33ties, the breakfast of champions" :-) |
| 03:44.56 | Noodleman_ | "www.2000fonts.com could not be found" |
| 03:45.12 | Patlabor221 | but you have to leetify breakfast and make champions something like "onwnzors" |
| 03:45.16 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i'm not sure which is worse - professors have this awful habit of assuming that since they teach the theory of computer science, that they know how to use a computer |
| 03:45.16 | captain_proton | :P |
| 03:45.23 | [STC]_creeperz | What the hell, Noodleman! I was talking about the other day! :-) |
| 03:45.25 | [STC]_creeperz | I was! |
| 03:45.42 | [STC]_creeperz | "They make you unl33table" |
| 03:45.42 | Noodleman_ | talking about l33ties? |
| 03:45.42 | Patlabor221 | and have just some puggy white teenager on the cover who just sits |
| 03:45.46 | [STC]_creeperz | Yes |
| 03:46.02 | Noodleman_ | hey, don't go stealing my ideas before i go and spill the beans on 'em! |
| 03:46.05 | Patlabor221 | unleetable? |
| 03:46.11 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea! |
| 03:46.13 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:46.21 | Patlabor221 | actualy it wold make you more leet |
| 03:46.23 | [STC]_creeperz | I was young and simple minded! |
| 03:46.32 | Patlabor221 | not less leet, or unable to become leet |
| 03:46.35 | [STC]_creeperz | ...of course that was just about 4 days ago... |
| 03:46.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Unable the be l33ted! |
| 03:46.55 | Noodleman_ | maybe i could find a good pic of somebody like kevin mitnick or something |
| 03:47.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Tiger Woods |
| 03:47.07 | Patlabor221 | Jeff K |
| 03:47.08 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:47.09 | Noodleman_ | haha |
| 03:47.14 | [STC]_creeperz | With a mustache |
| 03:47.16 | [STC]_creeperz | No! |
| 03:47.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Eminem! |
| 03:47.21 | [STC]_creeperz | ... |
| 03:47.26 | [STC]_creeperz | "Emin3m" |
| 03:47.27 | Noodleman_ | no way, dude |
| 03:47.31 | Patlabor221 | creeper you don't even know what leet is |
| 03:47.41 | [STC]_creeperz | 935 |
| 03:47.51 | [STC]_creeperz | Actually I do |
| 03:48.01 | [STC]_creeperz | You sux0rz |
| 03:48.10 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:48.13 | Patlabor221 | you don't know what it means tho, not the lang |
| 03:48.27 | [STC]_creeperz | I know the language |
| 03:48.34 | [STC]_creeperz | Not what's behind it |
| 03:48.39 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 03:48.49 | [STC]_creeperz | My friend and I were making a language that sounded similar to it, though |
| 03:48.59 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 03:49.12 | [STC]_creeperz | My name is Tikirimitaka |
| 03:49.31 | [STC]_creeperz | Tiki-Rimi-Ta-Kuh |
| 03:50.00 | captain_proton | leet has a sound? |
| 03:50.07 | Patlabor221 | I think it's time for the doom song |
| 03:50.16 | [STC]_creeperz | cap |
| 03:50.39 | [STC]_creeperz | the number "0" is zero. Pronounce it to yourself |
| 03:50.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 03:50.49 | Patlabor221 | you can't speek leet |
| 03:50.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Now let's start a word! |
| 03:51.01 | Patlabor221 | ok you can, but you would look realy realy stupid |
| 03:51.01 | [STC]_creeperz | No sh*t, sherlock |
| 03:51.13 | Patlabor221 | it's like saying "LOL" or "OMG" |
| 03:51.19 | captain_proton | ODE is looking good |
| 03:51.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 03:51.44 | captain_proton | its like when i tell people i'm roffeling |
| 03:51.48 | captain_proton | i just get strange looks |
| 03:51.48 | [STC]_creeperz | Or saying ROFL when you laugh so hard you almost pee yourself |
| 03:51.58 | [STC]_creeperz | LOL!! |
| 03:52.03 | [STC]_creeperz | cap |
| 03:52.19 | [STC]_creeperz | That was odd |
| 03:52.40 | Patlabor221 | "release the pig" |
| 03:52.45 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:52.52 | *** join/#bzflag jraitala (jraitala@jraitala-dsl.oulu.fi) [NETSPLIT VICTIM] |
| 03:52.56 | [STC]_creeperz | Hi |
| 03:53.26 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ODE's joint stuff could make for some amusing worlds ;) |
| 03:53.40 | captain_proton | to use the physics engine to animate the world geo, not just the pod |
| 03:54.03 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodleman: http://www.fontfreak.com/ |
| 03:55.00 | Patlabor221 | cap I would be woried about syncing with the server for that |
| 03:55.12 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: true |
| 03:55.12 | Patlabor221 | but it would be a nice option later |
| 03:55.39 | captain_proton | yeah |
| 03:55.41 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok, who's up for crab legs! :-) |
| 03:56.01 | captain_proton | but you're right, network synch needs to be solid as a rock first |
| 03:57.01 | [STC]_creeperz | EEK! He's getting his baseball bat! |
| 03:57.27 | [STC]_creeperz | ITTTTTTT'SSSSS *hiccup* Happy Time! |
| 03:58.49 | [STC]_creeperz | TimRiker: How's life? |
| 03:58.55 | Patlabor221 | finger..... gettting.... ichy...... |
| 03:59.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 03:59.21 | [STC]_creeperz | So, uhh, is that a gun are you just going to stab me? |
| 04:00.11 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh crap, I think's a gun |
| 04:00.40 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:01.09 | Patlabor221 | had a bit of sugar tonight I see creeper? |
| 04:01.14 | [STC]_creeperz | That would kinda suck if he was aimed at you and then he sneezed |
| 04:01.18 | [STC]_creeperz | No |
| 04:01.42 | [STC]_creeperz | But there was SOME sorta white powder that smelled kinda funny |
| 04:02.18 | [STC]_creeperz | Actually, I don't ever overdue on hardly anything |
| 04:02.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat: ep 1 done yet? |
| 04:03.00 | Patlabor221 | dono |
| 04:03.11 | Patlabor221 | man every time I work on this I lower the freakin poly count |
| 04:03.21 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:03.24 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:03.37 | [STC]_creeperz | I usually get so pissed I just delete it all |
| 04:03.55 | Patlabor221 | yeah well that's one difrence between me and you |
| 04:04.01 | Patlabor221 | and lowing a poly count isn't bad |
| 04:04.07 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 04:04.16 | [STC]_creeperz | It's good in my case! |
| 04:04.35 | [STC]_creeperz | My POS couldn't stand a high poly count |
| 04:04.45 | Patlabor221 | sure it could |
| 04:04.52 | [STC]_creeperz | How many polies are in a hitank on BZFlag |
| 04:04.55 | Patlabor221 | just not quickly |
| 04:05.04 | Patlabor221 | 160ish I think |
| 04:05.24 | Noodleman_ | blinkin' wisdom teeth |
| 04:05.29 | [STC]_creeperz | My FPS is usually around 30 |
| 04:05.37 | Noodleman_ | just starting to pop through, and it kinda hurts |
| 04:05.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodleman: You get a good font |
| 04:05.43 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 04:05.53 | Patlabor221 | FPS in BZ is not limited due to poly count |
| 04:05.55 | Noodleman_ | [STC]_creeperz: no, that was just a bunch of links |
| 04:06.00 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 04:06.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:06.05 | [STC]_creeperz | I tried :-( |
| 04:06.15 | Patlabor221 | most maps push a LOT less then the max thruput of todays card. |
| 04:06.21 | [STC]_creeperz | Could you help me make a bot tomorrow? |
| 04:06.27 | Noodleman_ | yeah, the font i'm looking for is a payfont as far as i know |
| 04:06.35 | [STC]_creeperz | Darn |
| 04:06.55 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodle |
| 04:06.59 | Patlabor221 | like I say I think we have it |
| 04:06.59 | Patlabor221 | noodle why are there 2 of you? |
| 04:07.15 | [STC]_creeperz | I have decided that I don't really want you to waste time hosting my DNS for my site |
| 04:07.35 | [STC]_creeperz | www.fairmount.nu is good for now |
| 04:08.37 | [STC]_creeperz | Unlimited Email accounts |
| 04:08.47 | [STC]_creeperz | Unlimited SQL database |
| 04:08.48 | Patlabor221 | thats webhost not just DNS |
| 04:08.58 | Patlabor221 | you pay per meg of bandwith tho :) |
| 04:09.06 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmm |
| 04:09.28 | [STC]_creeperz | Where does it say that? |
| 04:09.40 | Patlabor221 | $0.02 per mb of space |
| 04:09.40 | Patlabor221 | $0.002 per mb of bandwidth |
| 04:10.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Well, I won't really be using much... |
| 04:10.11 | [STC]_creeperz | But I have JUST decided against it |
| 04:10.19 | Noodleman_ | Patlabor221: one of me is me at work :-) |
| 04:10.20 | [STC]_creeperz | And I am going with Ipowerweb |
| 04:10.22 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:10.44 | Noodleman_ | [STC]_creeperz: why not use a bot that's already been written? |
| 04:11.05 | [STC]_creeperz | I wanted to borrow Noodlebot's script and sorta change it |
| 04:11.15 | Noodleman_ | to do what? |
| 04:11.20 | [STC]_creeperz | Make a bot? |
| 04:11.20 | Patlabor221 | borrow? will you give it back? |
| 04:11.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Yup |
| 04:11.42 | [STC]_creeperz | I'll give him my script back for creebot |
| 04:11.43 | Noodleman_ | it's already a bot |
| 04:11.56 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:12.01 | Noodleman_ | what do you want to make that is different than noodlebot? |
| 04:12.11 | [STC]_creeperz | I don't know ATM |
| 04:12.20 | Patlabor221 | the anoyobot? |
| 04:12.20 | [STC]_creeperz | But just fiddle around with the script |
| 04:12.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat: That's the best idea out of you all day |
| 04:13.03 | Noodleman_ | do you know perl? |
| 04:13.08 | [STC]_creeperz | Hardly |
| 04:13.15 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea, pat, I do |
| 04:13.31 | [STC]_creeperz | And, technically, I haven't done anything wrong |
| 04:13.33 | Patlabor221 | why not just grab the blootbot? |
| 04:13.35 | Noodleman_ | cuz the bot is written in perl |
| 04:13.40 | Patlabor221 | didn't say you did |
| 04:13.40 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 04:13.57 | Patlabor221 | blootbot is in sourceforge |
| 04:13.58 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat, then why would I care if you're an op? |
| 04:14.00 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 04:14.10 | [STC]_creeperz | ~ibot |
| 04:14.10 | | it has been said that ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 04:14.10 | Noodlebot | ibot is a retard |
| 04:14.11 | | Noodlebot: i haven't a clue |
| 04:14.20 | Patlabor221 | noodle what is noodlebot? it's own code? or an existing bot? |
| 04:14.34 | Noodleman_ | noodlebot is something i wrote |
| 04:14.42 | Patlabor221 | that's what I thought |
| 04:14.50 | Noodleman_ | i didn't know Noodlebot thought ibot was a retard! |
| 04:14.51 | [STC]_creeperz | And he's cooler than ibot |
| 04:14.58 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:14.59 | Patlabor221 | he does |
| 04:15.01 | Noodleman_ | who did that? |
| 04:15.04 | [STC]_creeperz | I accidentally did that :-) |
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| 04:15.08 | Noodleman_ | haha! |
| 04:15.18 | Noodleman_ | that part of the code works! |
| 04:15.32 | Patlabor221 | noodlebot seems to pick up on ibot even when it's not addressed |
| 04:15.32 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:15.42 | [STC]_creeperz | ibot IS a retard |
| 04:15.42 | | [STC]_creeperz: I give up, what is it? |
| 04:15.47 | [STC]_creeperz | See? |
| 04:15.50 | Noodleman_ | here, i'll DCC the ugly, disgusting code to you |
| 04:15.57 | [STC]_creeperz | Huh? |
| 04:15.59 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 04:16.00 | michaelh2 | what code is this? |
| 04:16.01 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 04:16.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodlebot's |
| 04:16.07 | Noodleman_ | the code for Noodlebot |
| 04:16.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Hi, BTW |
| 04:16.15 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 04:16.19 | michaelh2 | HIIIIII |
| 04:16.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea yu are |
| 04:16.27 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok |
| 04:16.35 | [STC]_creeperz | Lead the way |
| 04:16.49 | *** kick/#BZFlag [Noodlebot!~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com] by TimRiker (TimRiker) |
| 04:16.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:16.56 | michaelh2 | ibot are you mentally challenged? |
| 04:16.57 | | michaelh2: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 04:16.59 | Noodleman_ | ? |
| 04:17.17 | michaelh2 | ?? |
| 04:17.28 | TimRiker | Noodleman_: ibot rules. ;-) |
| 04:17.32 | Noodleman_ | what did Noodlebot do, TimRiker? |
| 04:17.53 | Patlabor221 | I think ibot just has some very high expextations of the IQs of it's users. |
| 04:17.53 | [STC]_creeperz | Hey, Tim |
| 04:17.58 | michaelh2 | kind of like that duo on Thunderdome :) |
| 04:18.01 | TimRiker | Noodleman_: I'm just messing. I thought I'd kicked hime before and he came right back? |
| 04:18.33 | Noodleman_ | i don't have any code in there to do that, i don't think |
| 04:18.44 | Patlabor221 | dosn't ibot have noodlebot's insult code in it? |
| 04:18.48 | TimRiker | hmm. ok. sorry. someone elses bot. |
| 04:19.14 | TimRiker | ibot's insult code is off at the moment as the insult server has gone missing. |
| 04:19.27 | [STC]_creeperz | And the funny thing... |
| 04:19.31 | [STC]_creeperz | ~insult TimRiker |
| 04:19.36 | TimRiker | patches welcome. ;-) |
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| 04:21.21 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 04:21.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:21.36 | TimRiker | hmm.. ibot does have insult marked off, but he does it anyway. |
| 04:21.48 | Noodleman_ | ~insult ibot |
| 04:21.49 | Noodlebot | ibot, thou idol of idiot-worshippers! |
| 04:21.49 | | i don't know, Noodlebot |
| 04:23.34 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172) |
| 04:23.34 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 04:23.34 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:23.45 | [STC]_creeperz | ~lart TimRiker |
| 04:23.59 | [STC]_creeperz | That's the side of ibot I like :-) |
| 04:24.34 | [STC]_creeperz | That and... |
| 04:24.43 | [STC]_creeperz | .~insult TimRiker! :-) |
| 04:25.09 | [STC]_creeperz | ~l33t |
| 04:25.16 | Patlabor221 | should just remap insult to lart |
| 04:25.28 | michaelh2 | How about a Free AOL Cd? :) |
| 04:25.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Michaelh2: Don't take me back to the times when I had AOL! |
| 04:26.04 | michaelh2 | I mean for insulting options |
| 04:26.10 | [STC]_creeperz | There is one |
| 04:26.14 | [STC]_creeperz | A lart |
| 04:26.16 | michaelh2 | ah so |
| 04:26.17 | Noodleman_ | ~aol |
| 04:26.18 | Noodlebot | aol is dah bomb! |
| 04:26.26 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 04:26.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodleman |
| 04:26.41 | Noodleman_ | [STC]_creeperz |
| 04:26.45 | michaelh2 | I was doing that this morning :) |
| 04:26.47 | [STC]_creeperz | How many times a day are you supposed to urinate? |
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| 04:28.39 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 04:28.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:28.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:28.44 | michaelh2 | it's worse to throw up spittle |
| 04:28.52 | [STC]_creeperz | spittle |
| 04:28.53 | [STC]_creeperz | ? |
| 04:28.53 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* well there we go, it has now has less polys then it had when it started and looks a lot better :( |
| 04:29.03 | [STC]_creeperz | pic? |
| 04:29.07 | Patlabor221 | don't make ibot die |
| 04:29.08 | michaelh2 | Which i was doing most of today.. nothing else left to throw up ....... |
| 04:29.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 04:29.17 | michaelh2 | you mean ...... pics? |
| 04:29.18 | [STC]_creeperz | Flu? |
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| 04:32.32 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 04:32.33 | [STC]_creeperz | Nah |
| 04:32.36 | [STC]_creeperz | I like science |
| 04:33.58 | michaelh2 | lots of boring class while I was in school...... at the local U |
| 04:34.03 | Noodleman_ | what is the diff between chinese and thai and vietnamese etc. food anyway? |
| 04:34.09 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 04:34.29 | TimRiker | ~insult lame bots |
| 04:34.30 | Noodlebot | i would not have such a heart in my bosom, for the dignity of the whole body, lame bots |
| 04:34.31 | michaelh2 | I've not that literate about it -- I just normally go to this one vietnamese place |
| 04:34.31 | [STC]_creeperz | Thai is usually spicy |
| 04:34.58 | michaelh2 | chinese is almost always some meat thing -- veggie things are more likely at the other places |
| 04:35.29 | michaelh2 | seems that way anyway -- like a real carnivore menu |
| 04:35.39 | [STC]_creeperz | And vietnamese usually comes with a mysterious herb on the side that they always tell you to burn it like inscense |
| 04:35.48 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 04:37.04 | TimRiker | Noodleman_: so what's Noodlebot use for insults? code available? |
| 04:38.45 | [STC]_creeperz | What about Japanese? |
| 04:38.48 | michaelh2 | random strings? |
| 04:38.51 | michaelh2 | never tried it |
| 04:38.53 | [STC]_creeperz | That make you sit on your knees |
| 04:39.07 | michaelh2 | sushi --> what a horrible thought |
| 04:39.14 | [STC]_creeperz | And if you pick food out of your teeth, that's like giving them the finger |
| 04:39.22 | [STC]_creeperz | Pat likes sushi |
| 04:39.59 | michaelh2 | belching is good too :) |
| 04:43.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Well, I have to go to bed now |
| 05:15.41 | captain_proton | ok, rearrangement time |
| 05:15.56 | Patlabor221 | cap it's down to 238 tris :( |
| 05:15.59 | Patlabor221 | and looks REALY cool |
| 05:18.08 | Patlabor221 | efectivly it's the front of the old on the back of the new, cleaned up a lot |
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| 05:28.18 | Noodleman_ | TimRiker: Noodlebot's got an array with insults, and the code is available if you want it |
| 05:33.39 | TimRiker | Noodleman_: sure... thanx. |
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| 06:22.36 | Patlabor221 | cap, now I'm 10 tris under the origonal :( |
| 06:26.12 | captain_proton | heh |
| 06:26.45 | Patlabor221 | and it looks cooler |
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| 06:30.48 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/comp3.png |
| 06:30.58 | Patlabor221 | sup mac |
| 06:31.07 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 06:31.35 | Patlabor221 | how goes it? |
| 06:32.27 | MrApathyCream | eh |
| 06:32.39 | Patlabor221 | that good? |
| 06:33.03 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:33.26 | MrApathyCream | ti-boy a no show these days? |
| 06:33.38 | Patlabor221 | he was here earlyer |
| 06:33.48 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 06:33.56 | MrApathyCream | nice 'tanks' btw |
| 06:34.01 | Patlabor221 | actualy said stuff too |
| 06:34.03 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 06:34.06 | Patlabor221 | they aren't tanks tho |
| 06:34.24 | Patlabor221 | tho I did slap a turret one one, and it looks realy neat |
| 06:36.17 | MrApathyCream | ilke green w/window over yellow |
| 06:37.11 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 06:37.20 | MrApathyCream | ah this lusty 26.4 connection is da bomb |
| 06:37.41 | MrApathyCream | up from 9kps |
| 06:37.45 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 06:38.03 | Patlabor221 | well the yellow one is the newer one, it's going to get a window and be green soon |
| 06:38.21 | MrApathyCream | new house-->new phone wiring\ |
| 06:38.30 | MrApathyCream | ahh |
| 06:38.34 | Patlabor221 | they hook you up with cable or DSL? |
| 06:38.55 | MrApathyCream | none avail |
| 06:39.06 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 06:46.34 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ooh thats pretty |
| 06:47.07 | captain_proton | hiya MAC! |
| 06:47.47 | Patlabor221 | just needs a skinin now |
| 06:48.32 | Patlabor221 | Think I'm gonna change the spec too, make the canon a rear rack wep, and move ammo pack and power generator to accessories |
| 06:48.37 | Patlabor221 | will make it more simple |
| 06:50.02 | MrApathyCream | lo cappy |
| 06:50.35 | captain_proton | should make it so damage affects flight but nanites slowly repair everything ;) |
| 06:50.39 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: new house? |
| 06:51.18 | Patlabor221 | could make "health" pickups |
| 06:51.57 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: yup |
| 06:52.54 | captain_proton | hows the family? horsies? |
| 06:53.34 | MrApathyCream | good spose |
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| 06:56.36 | MrApathyCream | welp, live long and riker, nite all |
| 07:14.18 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if there is a way to get ibot to reply to something with multiple lines. |
| 07:22.26 | Patlabor221 | ~form voltron. |
| 07:22.26 | | Activate interlocks. Dynatherms connected. Infracells up. Megathursters are go!! |
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| 10:47.24 | bomber | moin |
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| 11:38.39 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 11:39.00 | rooter | Chestal: Anything wrong with ducati? |
| 11:39.16 | Chestal | haven't looked yet |
| 11:39.39 | rooter | :) i can't connect... but the list server says it has 6 people playing |
| 11:40.23 | Chestal | hmm, it has been rebooted |
| 11:40.28 | rooter | thanks ches! |
| 11:42.36 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 11:42.52 | larsl | Bah, no one's playing there when I'm awake. =P |
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| 12:26.45 | [STC]_creeperz | 'morn |
| 12:34.10 | [STC]_creeperz | Well |
| 12:34.15 | [STC]_creeperz | I better get to school |
| 12:34.27 | [STC]_creeperz | "Y'all come back now, yu hear" |
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| 13:28.33 | dougheckaa | greetings |
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| 15:50.32 | dougheckaa | hey Patlabor221 |
| 15:50.40 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 15:50.58 | dougheckaa | hrm |
| 15:51.12 | dougheckaa | gonna take my exam friday or so |
| 15:52.30 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 15:52.48 | dougheckaa | I passed the fake exams |
| 16:13.44 | dougheckaa | bad |
| 16:14.01 | Patlabor221 | well I was using the web interface and it seems to not have a seting |
| 16:14.11 | Patlabor221 | the normal mail clients aren't set to send it. |
| 16:14.12 | dougheckaa | ick |
| 16:14.20 | dougheckaa | http://www.microsoft.com/playtest/PlayForm.htm |
| 16:14.29 | Patlabor221 | yeah I hate using it, but when it's all you have, it works. |
| 16:14.36 | dougheckaa | yup |
| 16:14.37 | captain_proton | the name's crater...nancy crater |
| 16:14.55 | dougheckaa | captain_proton: you have a great impact |
| 16:15.08 | dougheckaa | oh ick, bad pun |
| 16:16.55 | captain_proton | wow |
| 16:17.04 | captain_proton | this episode is like a badly-acted version of "camille" |
| 17:13.24 | Patlabor221 | ooooo the AI planed for halo 2 looks sexxy |
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| 17:20.58 | Noodleman_ | m00 |
| 17:21.16 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 17:21.26 | Patlabor221 | we have your font, but only as a mac postscript :( |
| 17:21.37 | Noodleman_ | that might work |
| 17:21.50 | Patlabor221 | you want em? |
| 17:21.51 | Noodleman_ | helvetica ultra compressed? |
| 17:21.54 | Noodleman_ | sure |
| 17:22.16 | Patlabor221 | I'll get our entire helvetica folder and zip it |
| 17:22.26 | Noodleman_ | ok kewl :-) |
| 17:23.15 | Noodleman_ | http://slashdot.org/articles/03/04/28/1238259.shtml?tid= |
| 17:23.19 | Patlabor221 | well I finaly increased the poly count :) http://www.bakadigital.com/Mk4Plus.png |
| 17:23.47 | Noodleman_ | hey n33to |
| 17:24.16 | Noodleman_ | still works on a gf2 mx, right? |
| 17:24.57 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's only 650 something tris |
| 17:25.13 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think I'll have any shaders right off the bat. |
| 17:25.38 | Noodleman_ | ok, i'm not too knowledgable about that stuff |
| 17:28.02 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/HelCon.zip is what we got |
| 17:28.17 | Jormungandr | the camera will get here before the accessories though, because bhphoto took off the rest of easter week. |
| 17:28.27 | Patlabor221 | must be nice. |
| 17:28.45 | Jormungandr | I have to wait an extra few days for lenses and memory. :( |
| 17:29.00 | Jormungandr | so I can't use the camera til at least thursday, probably. |
| 17:29.21 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't come with a card? |
| 17:29.55 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 17:30.00 | Patlabor221 | that sucks |
| 17:30.08 | Jormungandr | they try to keep cost down by not shipping with card or any lenses. |
| 17:30.14 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:30.21 | Jormungandr | it's still $1499. |
| 17:31.03 | Jormungandr | but it's an awesome camera. |
| 17:31.30 | Jormungandr | brb |
| 17:32.52 | Noodleman_ | how many megapixels? |
| 17:33.08 | Noodleman_ | mine's only 1.4 :-P |
| 17:34.41 | Patlabor221 | noodle can you watch divxes there? |
| 17:35.00 | Noodleman_ | if i install mplayer |
| 17:35.09 | Noodleman_ | i'll do that... |
| 17:35.16 | Patlabor221 | I have things of much funnyness that you must see. |
| 17:35.23 | Noodleman_ | like what? |
| 17:35.40 | Patlabor221 | the Red Vs. Blue stuff |
| 17:36.05 | Patlabor221 | http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor-noshare/movie/BloodGulch/RvB_PSA1_Divx.avi |
| 17:37.25 | Noodleman_ | compiling mplayer |
| 17:37.41 | Jormungandr | noodle 6.3 :) |
| 17:38.26 | Patlabor221 | I must find some way to munge the URL of that darkmoor drive too |
| 17:38.37 | Patlabor221 | people keep giving out the URL :( |
| 17:38.42 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 17:38.54 | Patlabor221 | like something that changes every day or something |
| 17:39.20 | Jormungandr | or you could password a page to the file. |
| 17:39.41 | Jormungandr | .htaccess is your friend :) |
| 17:40.50 | Patlabor221 | this one is an IIS server |
| 17:41.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah I could do the password thing |
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| 17:41.18 | Patlabor221 | but it's nice to be able to just paste a URL for some people |
| 17:41.22 | strayer | hiho |
| 17:41.27 | Patlabor221 | and not have to worry bout passwords |
| 17:41.29 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:42.03 | Jormungandr | the other canon has an 11 MP resolution, but it's a bit out of my price range... so I'll stick with the 6.3 MP |
| 17:42.52 | Noodleman_ | just found a program called crossfont which can convert mac fonts to windows fonts |
| 17:42.55 | Jormungandr | you could have a script change the name of the dir at midnight. |
| 17:43.16 | Jormungandr | noodle, mac will take regular truetype fonts, too. |
| 17:43.25 | Noodleman_ | yeah, i know |
| 17:43.28 | Jormungandr | then you don't have to worry about propriety system fonts. |
| 17:43.35 | Noodleman_ | this is for type 1 fonts |
| 17:43.38 | Jormungandr | ah |
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| 17:43.51 | Patlabor221 | keen |
| 17:44.14 | larsl | ~glasstowers |
| 17:44.28 | Noodleman_ | insult ibot |
| 17:44.28 | Noodlebot | ibot, degenerate and base art thou. |
| 17:44.29 | | no idea, Noodlebot |
| 17:44.34 | Noodleman_ | :-) |
| 17:45.16 | Noodleman_ | Noodlebot rules ibot :-P |
| 17:46.01 | Patlabor221 | noodleman why are there 2 of you? |
| 17:46.23 | Noodleman_ | one of me is me at work :-) |
| 17:46.28 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:46.49 | captain_proton | i want that double-precision floating point framebuffer |
| 17:47.45 | Patlabor221 | we have some 5200s still in stock |
| 17:47.45 | Noodleman_ | Patlabor221: what's the password to get to that divx? |
| 17:47.52 | Patlabor221 | user dark |
| 17:47.54 | Patlabor221 | pass dark |
| 17:47.57 | captain_proton | how much? |
| 17:48.05 | Patlabor221 | 70ish |
| 17:48.19 | captain_proton | thats the crapola one right? :) |
| 17:48.25 | captain_proton | though a friend might want to get one |
| 17:49.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah, it's the lowest end FX |
| 17:51.51 | captain_proton | hm its also the only one listed on pricewatch |
| 17:51.51 | captain_proton | ahh there are the 5600 and 5800 |
| 17:51.51 | captain_proton | cheapest 5800 is $390 |
| 17:52.07 | Patlabor221 | yeah I am pondering a 256 meg 5600 |
| 17:54.16 | Noodleman_ | Patlabor221: the fonts in that zip file are 0 bytes (?) |
| 17:55.42 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 17:55.50 | captain_proton | i wonder if ODE supports weak attachment joints |
| 17:56.05 | captain_proton | because that would make it so if you were a really good sniper you could shoot the rear rack item off their pod ;) |
| 17:57.28 | Patlabor221 | too complex cap |
| 17:57.32 | Patlabor221 | wtf |
| 17:57.54 | Patlabor221 | damed mac resource crap |
| 17:59.18 | Patlabor221 | noodle he'll have to make a stufit archive. |
| 17:59.28 | Noodleman_ | that's ok |
| 17:59.55 | Patlabor221 | cap, and we could do that with out the link thing, it's just a hit test. |
| 18:00.07 | Patlabor221 | now if you wanted to make it flop around :) |
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| 18:01.51 | captain_proton | ride that split! |
| 18:02.07 | Patlabor221 | noodle I have an HQX if you want |
| 18:02.36 | Noodleman_ | ok, sure |
| 18:03.17 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/HelCon.hqx |
| 18:15.33 | Noodleman_ | like what? |
| 18:15.48 | Patlabor221 | form voltron |
| 18:15.49 | captain_proton | arg |
| 18:15.56 | Patlabor221 | are you a pirate now? |
| 18:16.05 | Noodleman_ | huh? |
| 18:16.09 | captain_proton | they're mowing the grass and i can't hear my music at all |
| 18:16.26 | captain_proton | yes |
| 18:16.26 | captain_proton | arrrr |
| 18:16.27 | Patlabor221 | ibot won't reply to a factoid with multiple lines |
| 18:16.28 | | Patlabor221: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 18:16.41 | Patlabor221 | ~stuff it |
| 18:17.01 | Noodleman_ | those font files still are 0 bytes |
| 18:17.11 | Patlabor221 | they are mac resource files :( |
| 18:17.17 | Patlabor221 | so they have no data fork |
| 18:17.48 | Noodleman_ | and the font i need is helvetica ultra compressed, not condensed |
| 18:17.53 | Noodleman_ | do you have that one? |
| 18:17.54 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 18:17.58 | Patlabor221 | well crud |
| 18:18.48 | Noodleman_ | so what was the feature you want added to Noodlebot? |
| 18:19.02 | Patlabor221 | just a silly response to something :) |
| 18:19.06 | Patlabor221 | that takes multiple lines |
| 18:19.23 | Noodleman_ | give me an example, i don't quite understand |
| 18:20.07 | captain_proton | haha, this is such cool music |
| 18:22.16 | Patlabor221 | hmm dosn't seem like we have the compressed famialy of helv |
| 18:22.28 | Noodleman_ | hmm, ok |
| 18:22.31 | Patlabor221 | cap, you see my new mk 4 pluss? |
| 18:22.52 | captain_proton | don't think so |
| 18:22.58 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Mk4Plus.png |
| 18:23.05 | Patlabor221 | tad higher poly count :) |
| 18:23.13 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 18:23.15 | captain_proton | nurbsy |
| 18:23.26 | captain_proton | whats the tri count? |
| 18:23.30 | Patlabor221 | 650ish |
| 18:23.35 | captain_proton | not bad |
| 18:23.44 | Patlabor221 | metaball surface subdivide |
| 18:23.49 | captain_proton | :) |
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| 19:07.23 | captain_proton | haha |
| 19:07.28 | captain_proton | thats a cool chicken |
| 19:14.31 | Noodleman_ | Patlabor221: check this out |
| 19:14.37 | Noodleman_ | ~form volton |
| 19:14.41 | Noodleman_ | bah |
| 19:14.47 | Noodleman_ | duh |
| 19:14.52 | Noodleman_ | noodlebot's gotta be here |
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| 19:15.08 | Noodleman_ | ~form volton |
| 19:15.09 | Noodlebot | Activate interlocks. |
| 19:15.11 | Noodlebot | Dynatherms connected. |
| 19:15.14 | Noodlebot | Infracells up. |
| 19:15.17 | Noodlebot | Megathrusters are go. |
| 19:34.54 | captain_proton | the ODE demos are cute |
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| 20:27.07 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 20:28.35 | captain_proton | heh |
| 20:28.57 | Patlabor221 | if we could get the flipin rom to flash |
| 20:37.25 | dougheckaa | we? |
| 20:39.24 | larsl | Installing a mod chip? |
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| 20:44.38 | michaelh2 | yo |
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| 20:46.01 | michaelh2 | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=3248&atid=303248&file_id=48993&aid=722705 |
| 20:46.20 | [STC]_creeperz | Hello |
| 20:46.26 | michaelh2 | lars -- I updated my patch, you might want to check it for bugs again.. I changed the FILE* to Fstreams |
| 20:46.39 | michaelh2 | whenever it suits you |
| 20:46.41 | michaelh2 | hello |
| 20:46.42 | [STC]_creeperz | Patch for what? |
| 20:46.53 | michaelh2 | my handy dandy server list cache for the client |
| 20:47.08 | [STC]_creeperz | Ah |
| 20:47.10 | [STC]_creeperz | Cool |
| 20:47.20 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 20:47.27 | michaelh2 | basically -- if the list server fails it still keeps a list of the servers that you can use |
| 20:47.41 | [STC]_creeperz | I have 0% knowledge of how to use patches :-) |
| 20:47.55 | michaelh2 | You'd have to know how compile stuff at least |
| 20:48.07 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 20:48.14 | [STC]_creeperz | Ok, I know 4% :-) |
| 20:48.40 | michaelh2 | then it's something like copying the patch somewhere into the dir of the source code |
| 20:48.52 | michaelh2 | then patch -p0 -i patchfile.diff |
| 20:49.01 | michaelh2 | or p1 or p2 or something like that |
| 20:49.05 | [STC]_creeperz | What the hell? |
| 20:49.10 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 20:49.14 | michaelh2 | never mind |
| 20:49.22 | [STC]_creeperz | What's -p0 -i? |
| 20:49.22 | [STC]_creeperz | Where do you type that? |
| 20:49.31 | michaelh2 | Are you using windows? |
| 20:49.41 | [STC]_creeperz | *COUGH* |
| 20:49.44 | michaelh2 | I use cygwin (under windows) |
| 20:49.44 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 20:49.49 | michaelh2 | or not? |
| 20:49.49 | dougheckaa | he doesnt have a compiler |
| 20:50.02 | michaelh2 | doh |
| 20:50.11 | Patlabor22113 | nor even cygwin |
| 20:50.15 | [STC]_creeperz | nuts |
| 20:50.24 | [STC]_creeperz | I DID have Cygwin |
| 20:50.48 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh well. I really don't care. |
| 20:50.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 20:50.52 | michaelh2 | I went mad with some the cvs and patch stuff before I got cygwin |
| 20:51.01 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm in Computer Graphics and Animation for a week |
| 20:51.25 | [STC]_creeperz | I made a cool little AVI today |
| 20:51.33 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 20:51.53 | [STC]_creeperz | It was...Uhhh, like...Frame by frame type-a thing |
| 20:52.00 | michaelh2 | I'm not too much of an artist except for my 3d-T :) |
| 20:52.07 | [STC]_creeperz | I forgot what it's called |
| 20:52.49 | [STC]_creeperz | 3D-T? |
| 20:53.19 | michaelh2 | a 3d 'T' |
| 20:53.35 | [STC]_creeperz | 3D 'T'? |
| 20:53.39 | [STC]_creeperz | 3D-modeler? |
| 20:53.45 | michaelh2 | I did a patch where if people are typing a 3d letter T spins over their tank |
| 20:53.48 | Patlabor22113 | the leter T |
| 20:53.53 | dougheckaa | a 3D letter T |
| 20:54.01 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 20:54.04 | [STC]_creeperz | Cool |
| 20:54.07 | michaelh2 | probably doesn't work if you don't speak english I suppose |
| 20:54.07 | Patlabor22113 | I made this |
| 20:54.08 | Patlabor22113 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Mk4Plus.png |
| 20:54.09 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 20:56.28 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 20:56.33 | [STC]_creeperz | It reminds me of a whale |
| 20:56.38 | [STC]_creeperz | Very smooth |
| 20:56.42 | [STC]_creeperz | And rounded |
| 20:56.46 | [STC]_creeperz | To an extent |
| 20:57.03 | larsl | [STC]_creeperz: Write longer and fewer lines, please. =) |
| 20:57.22 | larsl | michaelh2: I'm in school right now, I'll have a look at the patch when I get home. |
| 20:57.26 | [STC]_creeperz | larsl: Ok, why? |
| 20:57.37 | Patlabor22113 | it's less anoying. |
| 20:57.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 20:58.00 | [STC]_creeperz | ? Ok? |
| 20:58.15 | [STC]_creeperz | You were op-ed |
| 20:58.22 | larsl | Patlabor221: Did you test the /report command on Windows? |
| 20:58.56 | michaelh2 | cool |
| 20:59.19 | Patlabor221 | I am an op now, but seems IRC serices ae gone due to the split |
| 20:59.21 | [STC]_creeperz | Patlabor221: There is no way to explain the endless ways I am annoying to you, huh? |
| 20:59.33 | Patlabor221 | pardon? |
| 20:59.39 | Patlabor221 | larsl no I have not yet |
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| 21:00.50 | Patlabor221 | wow chanserv is realy dead |
| 21:00.54 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 21:00.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: ODE is gonna make this cool |
| 21:01.04 | Patlabor221 | keen |
| 21:01.18 | captain_proton | i think :) |
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| 21:02.01 | michaelh2 | oooooooooohhhhhhhh |
| 21:03.06 | Patlabor221 | don't forget the carbon |
| 21:03.11 | Patlabor221 | the carbon is very important |
| 21:03.25 | [STC]_creeperz | Every living thing has carbon |
| 21:03.44 | Patlabor221 | not true |
| 21:03.49 | Patlabor221 | just most of them |
| 21:03.51 | [STC]_creeperz | And after every half life, the daughter material turns into nitrogen |
| 21:03.55 | [STC]_creeperz | Right? |
| 21:04.01 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh |
| 21:04.13 | michaelh2 | patl : does windows support piping in the sense that unix does? |
| 21:04.17 | [STC]_creeperz | daughter material IS* nitrogen |
| 21:04.18 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:04.21 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 21:04.32 | [STC]_creeperz | Me or him? |
| 21:04.45 | [STC]_creeperz | C-14 |
| 21:04.46 | michaelh2 | So you can't redirect on the command line from one program to another, right? |
| 21:04.49 | Patlabor221 | creeper there are some methane and metal based lifreforms deep in the earthn |
| 21:04.59 | larsl | michaelh2: You can with Cygwin and bash. |
| 21:05.05 | Patlabor221 | you can redirect to a file, not to the std in of another app |
| 21:05.34 | Patlabor221 | yes bash will |
| 21:05.37 | michaelh2 | so you're thinking you might be able to run bzflag from cygwin and redirect it? |
| 21:06.07 | larsl | Who's thinking? |
| 21:06.08 | [STC]_creeperz | Patlabor221: You ever watch ep 1? |
| 21:06.10 | Patlabor221 | Probably |
| 21:06.17 | michaelh2 | lars, I think |
| 21:06.19 | Patlabor221 | it was still downloading this AM |
| 21:06.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Really? |
| 21:06.57 | [STC]_creeperz | How much does a T1 cost a month? |
| 21:07.09 | [STC]_creeperz | T1 in total* |
| 21:07.30 | Patlabor221 | we pay about 800 |
| 21:07.39 | [STC]_creeperz | Really? |
| 21:07.41 | [STC]_creeperz | Wow |
| 21:07.49 | Patlabor221 | between telco and isp |
| 21:07.51 | [STC]_creeperz | 3rd fastest connection? |
| 21:08.01 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 21:08.03 | captain_proton | T drops are expensive |
| 21:08.12 | Patlabor221 | it's the slowest direct T connect |
| 21:08.21 | [STC]_creeperz | Ah? |
| 21:09.48 | michaelh2 | how do I pernamently add export CVS_RSH=ssh |
| 21:09.58 | michaelh2 | in cygwin? |
| 21:10.19 | larsl | Add it to your .bashrc. |
| 21:10.26 | larsl | Or is it .bash_profile ? |
| 21:11.20 | michaelh2 | should I have one already? :) |
| 21:11.33 | larsl | Maybe not. |
| 21:11.45 | [STC]_creeperz | Crap |
| 21:11.50 | larsl | But if you create one, it will be used whenever you start a new bash. |
| 21:12.08 | [STC]_creeperz | I have 4 different people downloading ep 16 of Trigun from me! :-) |
| 21:12.20 | larsl | You could even add it to your global bash config file in /etc. |
| 21:12.22 | [STC]_creeperz | And one ep 24 :-) |
| 21:16.36 | [STC]_creeperz | Brb |
| 21:25.56 | larsl | Any MacOSX people in the channel? |
| 21:26.44 | [STC]_creeperz | Back |
| 21:29.40 | larsl | Is Tim still moving, or is he waiting for something before releasing g2? |
| 21:32.20 | Chestal | javen't seen Tim much around lately, don't know |
| 21:32.51 | dougheckaa | saw tim today |
| 21:34.34 | larsl | ~seen TimRiker |
| 21:34.40 | | timriker <~timr@proxyle02.ext.ti.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #utah, 6h 17m 29s ago, saying: 'fine. windy, tornado watches, etc.'. |
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| 21:37.00 | larsl | Hehe. |
| 21:37.01 | [STC]_creeperz | Hello |
| 21:37.15 | dougheckaa | well ther he is |
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| 21:41.54 | [STC]_creeperz | Noodlebot: How's your day? |
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| 22:18.17 | captain_proton | hmm Patlabor221 |
| 22:18.44 | captain_proton | with ODE we could make the hovering just a sine wave acceleration vector upwards |
| 22:18.54 | captain_proton | and set a global gravity |
| 22:19.09 | captain_proton | although...hmm |
| 22:20.13 | captain_proton | i guess we'd also need to scale that by an inverse of the height from the ground |
| 22:22.13 | Patlabor221 | we could do lots of things |
| 22:22.22 | Patlabor221 | but right now I can't run over a chicken :) |
| 22:22.33 | captain_proton | heh |
| 22:22.35 | captain_proton | its a good chicken |
| 22:22.50 | Patlabor221 | the cool thing is at any time we can just pop off a new game logic class and hook up new physics |
| 22:23.07 | Patlabor221 | and it works move it into the base class for that game line |
| 22:23.13 | Patlabor221 | and they all pick it up |
| 22:25.13 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 22:25.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: can you check to see that ODE 0.035 builds on windows? |
| 22:25.33 | Patlabor221 | not just this sec but in a short bit |
| 22:25.40 | Patlabor221 | did you commit it? or where do I get it? |
| 22:25.53 | captain_proton | opende.sf.net |
| 22:26.18 | captain_proton | i'm not sure about including it in the screamers tree |
| 22:26.41 | Patlabor221 | why not? |
| 22:27.37 | Patlabor221 | is it changing too much? |
| 22:27.42 | Patlabor221 | or is it there liscense? |
| 22:27.52 | captain_proton | well its changing |
| 22:27.56 | captain_proton | and first i want to make sure it works |
| 22:28.20 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 22:28.26 | captain_proton | no problem with licensing - its dual licensed under LGPL & BSD |
| 22:28.36 | Patlabor221 | but if it's changing I would want the version that we know works in the tree |
| 22:28.43 | captain_proton | yup |
| 22:28.47 | Patlabor221 | once you know it's the one to use |
| 22:37.57 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 22:38.11 | captain_proton | is there some sort of unique ID for each object? |
| 22:38.23 | captain_proton | or am i gonna have to fudge this? :) |
| 22:38.27 | Patlabor221 | use this |
| 22:38.40 | captain_proton | that works |
| 22:38.42 | Patlabor221 | later there will be an ID |
| 22:40.04 | *** join/#bzflag Skipp (vthkm592@dialup-67.24.241.108.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:41.19 | Noodleman | ~tb |
| 22:41.19 | Noodlebot | Five |
| 22:41.20 | Noodlebot | Four |
| 22:41.21 | Noodlebot | Three |
| 22:41.22 | Noodlebot | Two |
| 22:41.23 | Noodlebot | One |
| 22:41.23 | Noodlebot | Thunderbirds are go! |
| 22:41.29 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 22:41.36 | Patlabor221 | ~form voltron |
| 22:41.37 | | Activate interlocks. Dynatherms connected. Infracells up. Megathursters are go!! |
| 22:41.41 | Noodleman | oops |
| 22:41.51 | Patlabor221 | ibot forget form voltron |
| 22:41.51 | | Patlabor221: i forgot form voltron |
| 22:42.31 | Noodleman | ~form voltron |
| 22:42.32 | Noodlebot | Activate interlocks. |
| 22:42.35 | Noodlebot | Dynatherms connected. |
| 22:42.38 | Noodlebot | Infracells up. |
| 22:42.41 | Noodlebot | Megathrusters are go. |
| 22:42.53 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.02 | Noodleman | that will tell you how to add your own |
| 22:44.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: you mind if i use my own indenting style? :P |
| 22:44.38 | Patlabor221 | it's your class |
| 22:44.46 | Patlabor221 | I just reserve the right to mock it |
| 22:44.55 | captain_proton | heh, ok |
| 22:45.49 | *** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-39.swipnet.se) |
| 22:47.00 | larsl | The network bots seem to be down. |
| 22:47.54 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (vthkm592@dialup-67.24.241.108.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:50.36 | Patlabor221 | whoot the bios programed |
| 22:51.13 | dougheckaa | xbox? |
| 22:55.59 | captain_proton | what is bShipBob in trViewInfo? |
| 22:57.31 | captain_proton | sports cam? |
| 22:59.18 | Patlabor221 | no, it's the amount to bob the ship up and down |
| 22:59.21 | Patlabor221 | for effect |
| 22:59.53 | captain_proton | a bool? |
| 23:00.10 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooooo |
| 23:00.12 | Patlabor221 | sorry |
| 23:00.20 | Patlabor221 | it's wether or not to bob |
| 23:00.28 | Patlabor221 | may not even be used |
| 23:00.36 | Patlabor221 | we don't bob in internal view |
| 23:01.57 | captain_proton | in ship units, what is gravity set to? |
| 23:02.17 | captain_proton | 5.0 units? |
| 23:02.21 | Patlabor221 | 10 I think |
| 23:03.02 | Patlabor221 | look at void CDefaultGameLogic::InitWorldConstants ( void ) |
| 23:03.04 | captain_proton | are the local vertex units the same as logical velocity units? |
| 23:03.09 | captain_proton | that says 5.0 |
| 23:03.09 | Patlabor221 | yeayh it's 5 |
| 23:03.15 | Patlabor221 | yes it's all the same units |
| 23:03.23 | Patlabor221 | figured that would be the smart thing |
| 23:03.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm treating each unit as a meeter |
| 23:05.29 | Noodleman | clueless, clueless, clueless |
| 23:05.41 | Noodleman | users |
| 23:05.43 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:05.51 | Noodleman | ~moo dougheckaa |
| 23:05.52 | | ACTION moos at dougheckaa |
| 23:05.58 | dougheckaa | insult Noodleman |
| 23:05.58 | Noodlebot | Noodleman, thou stale old mouse eaten dry cheese! |
| 23:06.21 | Patlabor221 | wow this must be one helluva split, chan services are still not back |
| 23:06.30 | Patlabor221 | ~form voltron |
| 23:06.31 | Noodlebot | Activate interlocks. |
| 23:06.33 | Noodlebot | Dynatherms connected. |
| 23:06.36 | Noodlebot | Infracells up. |
| 23:06.39 | Noodlebot | Megathrusters are go. |
| 23:06.43 | Noodleman | ~dougheckaa |
| 23:06.44 | Noodlebot | the |
| 23:06.44 | Noodlebot | most |
| 23:06.44 | Noodlebot | evil |
| 23:06.44 | Noodlebot | stupid |
| 23:06.44 | Noodlebot | thing |
| 23:06.45 | Noodlebot | ever |
| 23:06.48 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:07.03 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 23:07.10 | Noodleman | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.16 | Noodleman | new features |
| 23:10.02 | Noodleman | i once saw an old, old, mac with the woz's signature on it |
| 23:10.13 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what is roll springiness? |
| 23:10.19 | dougheckaa | oooh |
| 23:10.22 | Noodleman | it was for sale too, but i didn't have 20 bucks :-( |
| 23:14.58 | Noodleman | does your zaurus work tho? |
| 23:15.40 | Patlabor221 | oooo scons is being pissy |
| 23:16.47 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 23:17.08 | Patlabor221 | I'm tring to get it to work with another proejct that uses LGE |
| 23:17.16 | Patlabor221 | scons: Reading SConscript files ... |
| 23:17.17 | Patlabor221 | scons: done reading SConscript files. |
| 23:17.17 | Patlabor221 | scons: Building targets ... |
| 23:17.17 | Patlabor221 | ar r LGE/libLGE.a LGE/3dUtils.cpp LGE/LGE.cpp LGE/ViewCull.cpp |
| 23:17.17 | Patlabor221 | sh: line 1: ar: command not found |
| 23:17.56 | Patlabor221 | I changed the stuff for the main app in the SConstruct file |
| 23:18.05 | captain_proton | this is on linux? |
| 23:18.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:18.46 | captain_proton | do you have binutils installed? |
| 23:19.02 | Patlabor221 | I installed the scons rpm |
| 23:19.13 | Patlabor221 | problby don't have tons of stuff on this macine tho |
| 23:22.05 | larsl | Hm, why is 'streamsize' a signed type? |
| 23:22.23 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: rpm -q binutils |
| 23:22.50 | Patlabor221 | oooo I aint got them |
| 23:22.53 | Patlabor221 | I must suck |
| 23:23.22 | *** topic/#bzflag by Noodleman -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution || <Patlabor221> I must suck |
| 23:23.51 | Patlabor221 | well the ladies never complain. |
| 23:24.01 | Noodleman | haha |
| 23:24.02 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:24.56 | larsl | streamsize is signed, and size_t is unsigned, so comparison generates a warning, which generates an error with -Werror, which kills the compilation. Annoying. |
| 23:28.34 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman_ (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 23:31.06 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@dclient80-218-118-205.hispeed.ch) |
| 23:34.40 | dougheckaa | Noodleman: be nice |
| 23:34.41 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 23:34.53 | Noodleman | what did i do? |
| 23:34.59 | dougheckaa | Noodleman: change the topic |
| 23:35.09 | dougheckaa | and no, my zaurus is in the mail heading to sharp |
| 23:35.15 | Noodleman | you can change it |
| 23:35.20 | Noodleman | does it offend you? |
| 23:35.36 | dougheckaa | I am neutral |
| 23:35.40 | *** topic/#bzflag by Noodleman -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution |
| 23:35.48 | dougheckaa | doh |
| 23:35.54 | dougheckaa | whyed you do that? |
| 23:35.55 | dougheckaa | :P |
| 23:36.06 | Noodleman | uh. because you wanted me too |
| 23:36.13 | dougheckaa | I dint! |
| 23:36.23 | Noodleman | <dougheckaa> Noodleman: change the topic |
| 23:36.36 | dougheckaa | [19:34] <Noodleman> what did i do? |
| 23:36.42 | dougheckaa | you took it out of context |
| 23:36.50 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 23:37.01 | dougheckaa | ~topic add <Noodleman> uh. |
| 23:37.01 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution || <Noodleman> uh. (dougheckaa) |
| 23:38.01 | dougheckaa | oh cool! http://www.forbes.com/home/2003/04/28/cx_ah_0428tentech.html |
| 23:38.27 | Noodleman | cool |
| 23:38.34 | dougheckaa | looks like a cell phone |
| 23:39.09 | dougheckaa | wonder what its life is |
| 23:40.33 | dougheckaa | did ya see the new ipod? |
| 23:40.43 | Noodleman | nope, link? |
| 23:40.57 | dougheckaa | apple.com |
| 23:41.20 | dougheckaa | you asked for it |
| 23:41.22 | dougheckaa | :D |
| 23:41.37 | Noodleman | i got to play with the 17" powerbook today >:-) |
| 23:41.45 | dougheckaa | oooooh |
| 23:42.14 | Noodleman | somebody brought it in for me to setup our service on |
| 23:42.28 | Noodleman | i even got camino installed on it :-) |
| 23:42.30 | dougheckaa | wow, someone that owns a mac cant setup the net on it? |
| 23:42.34 | Noodleman | down with IE! |
| 23:42.43 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 23:42.50 | dougheckaa | IE is nice |
| 23:43.08 | Noodleman | i guess they just didn't feel like doing it themselves |
| 23:43.46 | dougheckaa | well, if they have a 17 inch powerbook, I would problebly have servants |
| 23:44.03 | Noodleman | the ipod still doesn't support ogg! |
| 23:44.10 | dougheckaa | nope |
| 23:44.12 | dougheckaa | :( |
| 23:44.15 | Patlabor221 | do any of them? |
| 23:44.19 | dougheckaa | but you can run linux on it!!! |
| 23:44.25 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 23:45.47 | Noodleman | i need a player that supports ogg |
| 23:48.20 | dougheckaa | O'Brian's Law: Everything is always done for the wrong reasons. |
| 23:48.28 | dougheckaa | I am bad |
| 23:48.29 | Noodleman | dougheckaa: do you have the lucida grand font? |
| 23:48.33 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 23:48.35 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 23:48.46 | dougheckaa | do I? this could be a trick question ya know |
| 23:48.52 | Noodleman | you should have it on your g4 |
| 23:48.59 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 23:49.02 | dougheckaa | my dad would have it |
| 23:49.05 | dougheckaa | but hes on it now |
| 23:49.30 | Noodleman | also, look to see if he has helvetica ultra compressed |
| 23:49.39 | Noodleman | haha |
| 23:50.02 | Noodleman | compressed =! condensed, btw |
| 23:50.10 | dougheckaa | k |
| 23:50.19 | dougheckaa | the lib folder aint shared |
| 23:50.23 | Noodleman | cool, thx |
| 23:51.21 | Noodleman | how much can i get a _working_ zaurus for? :-) |
| 23:51.51 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 23:51.52 | dougheckaa | 200 |
| 23:51.57 | dougheckaa | 220 on ebay |
| 23:51.59 | Noodleman | not too bad |
| 23:52.02 | dougheckaa | 199 from tigerdirect |
| 23:52.03 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 23:52.22 | Noodleman | i like tigerdirect |
| 23:52.24 | Patlabor221 | can anyone who is scons enabled try to build something on linux? |
| 23:52.33 | dougheckaa | yea |
| 23:52.36 | dougheckaa | they have cool stuff |
| 23:52.39 | dougheckaa | like computers |
| 23:52.51 | Noodleman | haha |
| 23:52.57 | Noodleman | insult TimRiker |
| 23:52.58 | Noodlebot | thou art not so big as a round little worm, TimRiker. |
| 23:53.07 | Noodleman | :-D |
| 23:53.13 | dougheckaa | bah |
| 23:53.19 | dougheckaa | my posts are not showing up |
| 23:53.45 | dougheckaa | wow |
| 23:53.50 | dougheckaa | instant mod down |
| 23:53.52 | dougheckaa | amazing |
| 23:54.00 | Noodleman | hows your karma? |
| 23:54.10 | dougheckaa | exelant |
| 23:54.25 | Noodleman | if it is negative, your posts start at 0 |
| 23:54.28 | dougheckaa | darn homskoolers, cant speel |
| 23:55.03 | dougheckaa | Karma: Positive |
| 23:55.06 | dougheckaa | no numbers |
| 23:55.10 | Noodleman | hmm |
| 23:55.19 | dougheckaa | I know |
| 23:55.34 | dougheckaa | I will post a real reply, and put it as a sig |
| 23:56.53 | Patlabor221 | mmmmmmmm 120 gig drive for $95 |
| 23:57.04 | dougheckaa | wow |
| 23:57.31 | dougheckaa | there, that should get some coverage |
| 23:57.38 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 23:57.43 | Patlabor221 | it's not going in a PC |
| 23:58.27 | Patlabor221 | but it will be runing windows :) |
| 23:59.15 | dougheckaa | <dougheckaa> there, that should get some coverage >>>/.ing a zaurus |
| 23:59.35 | Patlabor221 | I know :0 |
| 23:59.42 | dougheckaa | oh |
