irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030426

`00:00.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!`
`00:00.26`	`TimRiker`	`heh.`
`00:00.47`	`TimRiker`	`shotid is a short iirc, so you could do 50,000 shot servers.`
`00:00.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That would be a VERY debated topic`
`00:01.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`00:01.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I kinda like that idea`
`00:01.09`	`Patlabor221`	`signed or unsigned?`
`00:01.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:01.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That would suck for me, though :-/`
`00:01.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I would have alot of FPS lag and always die right off the bat`
`00:02.08`	`Patlabor221`	`there must be a limit to shot count to where it becomes continious`
`00:02.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and any more is pointless`
`00:02.26`	`TimRiker`	`int16_t so that's signed.`
`00:02.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:02.39`	`Patlabor221`	`heh, so only 32768`
`00:02.43`	`TimRiker`	`so 30,000 would be a safer value.`
`00:02.45`	`Patlabor221`	`can't do 50k`
`00:03.15`	`TimRiker`	`10,000 should be enough to bring most connections to thier knees`
`00:03.15`	`Patlabor221`	`but what about those poor 2,768 shots? they will be orphaned :)`
`00:03.37`	`TimRiker`	`~spell thier`
`00:03.38`		`possible spellings for thier: their Thieu Thor Thur thee thiner the tier Thar Thea Theo Thia thew they thief shier thigh theirs Theiler thieve Thai Thu tho heir there therm thine third Th hoer th`
`00:04.03`	`TimRiker`	`must be their fault.`
`00:04.13`	`Patlabor221`	`should make the shot list a map of strings, then you realy punish those who use too many shots :)`
`00:04.17`	`larsl`	`Why are dead tanks moving too fast?`
`00:04.25`	`TimRiker`	`huh?`
`00:04.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Probally not responding?`
`00:04.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OR they're cheating`
`00:04.44`	`Patlabor221`	`haven'te you ever seen a vampire move? the undead are allways fast`
`00:04.45`	`larsl`	`Is it because of the extra velocity they get when they explode?`
`00:04.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And if they are, it's probally Wizards`
`00:04.50`	`Patlabor221`	`unless they are zombies`
`00:04.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ick`
`00:04.56`	`larsl`	`=)`
`00:05.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh ick`
`00:05.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:05.13`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm the autokick shoudl make sure they are alive`
`00:05.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But zombies are easier to kill...well, they're already dead`
`00:05.22`	`Patlabor221`	`all the kickers shoudl do that`
`00:05.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But they do move slower! :-)`
`00:05.45`	`Patlabor221`	`looks neat`
`00:05.54`	`larsl`	`The speed autokick does (I think).`
`00:06.08`	`Patlabor221`	`zombies are meaty undead, they haven't gone tru ultra mortis.`
`00:06.29`	`TimRiker`	`larsl: the speed kick looks to see if you are alive. (at least it tries to)`
`00:06.38`	`Patlabor221`	`well if it does, then you can't have the problem you describe.`
`00:06.47`	`larsl`	`They aren't kicked, just logged. =)`
`00:06.53`	`TimRiker`	`ah`
`00:06.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`00:06.56`	`larsl`	`tank too fast (tank: 37.499242, allowed: 26.250000){Dead or v[z] != 0}`
`00:07.11`	`larsl`	`Might be falling really fast too.`
`00:07.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I died with the velocity flag and got kicked`
`00:07.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Did anyone ever fix that?`
`00:07.28`	`Patlabor221`	`the speed calcs are wierd`
`00:07.37`	`TimRiker`	`37.5 looks like he had speed and got shot.`
`00:07.46`	`Patlabor221`	`they arn't realy sent to the server the right way if I undertood what chestal told me that one time.`
`00:07.57`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: it should be ok now. still not perfect.`
`00:08.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`00:08.11`	`larsl`	`So when's 1.7g2 coming? =)`
`00:08.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That concerned me :-)`
`00:08.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I had a good score!`
`00:08.26`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: correct. there are some things there that need to be fixed.`
`00:09.31`	`Patlabor221`	`thing that wories me is the reported GM kill your self thing`
`00:09.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't dupe it.`
`00:10.04`	`larsl`	`How did it happen?`
`00:10.18`	`Patlabor221`	`they say just drive around fireing GMs`
`00:10.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I've seen acouple people report it`
`00:10.42`	`larsl`	`Not locking on someone who's going through a teleporter, or something like that?`
`00:10.48`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`00:10.54`	`Patlabor221`	`no lock just fireing`
`00:11.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it may be a low framerate issue`
`00:11.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:11.26`	`Patlabor221`	`like where you move forward more then the GM does or something over a larger time slice`
`00:11.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and it things it's inside your bbox`
`00:11.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`A good strat would be to get a guy with GM trailing you, go through a teleporter that leads behind him exactly while he's firing :-)`
`00:11.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it won't work`
`00:11.47`	`Patlabor221`	`the simple fix is to make it so you can't die from your GM`
`00:11.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Too much forward velocity on the shot`
`00:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy it's too much velocity on you not the shot`
`00:12.14`	`Patlabor221`	`you catch it`
`00:12.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I've ran into my own GM before...a LONG time ago with a cheat client`
`00:12.25`	`larsl`	`But that would be bad if you actually fired on yourself through teleporters.`
`00:12.38`	`TimRiker`	`you should be able to die from your own GM. a bouncing teleporter is an example.`
`00:12.46`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I agree`
`00:12.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I've shot through a mirror and killed myself! :-) I think everyone has.`
`00:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`that's why I don't like the simple fix duko sugested`
`00:13.15`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: with a GM? I'm always doing it with a laser =(`
`00:13.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:14.04`	`larsl`	`Maybe change it so you can't die from your own GM during the first few tenths of a second?`
`00:14.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Try having it go through a teleporter when you have a Ricochet flag, it bouncing off of a wall and it goes back through and kills you:-/`
`00:14.30`	`Patlabor221`	`or just move the shot further out in front of you`
`00:14.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea!`
`00:14.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just had a train of thought...but it's M.I.A. now`
`00:15.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What was it?!`
`00:15.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I think if you fire a shot, then get HS and are not carefull you should be able to wack yourself`
`00:15.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's a good idea!`
`00:15.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yea. Eggs for breakfast :-)`
`00:15.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No.`
`00:15.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When you spawn, you should have 5 (??) seconds of immortality. Yet you cannot fire or me hit.`
`00:16.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`(unless a teammate is hit by genocide)`
`00:16.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`be*`
`00:16.21`	`Patlabor221`	`thats a way biger change creeper`
`00:16.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:16.36`	`Patlabor221`	`outside the scope of G2`
`00:16.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Way`
`00:16.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But "We have the technology"`
`00:17.24`	`Patlabor221`	`whats this "we" stuff white boy?`
`00:17.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:17.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You*`
`00:17.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
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`00:27.27`	`michaelh2`	`cool`
`00:30.32`	`Patlabor221`	`you are hooked up man`
`00:31.51`	`michaelh2`	`thanks tim`
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`00:46.59`	`michaelh2`	`how do I get my Tortoise CVS off of anonymous? :)`
`00:48.48`	`Patlabor221`	`easyest way is to Check out the proejct again from the ssh server`
`00:49.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and then just merge your code int`
`00:56.51`	`larsl`	`Good night.`
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`00:57.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's everyone up to?`
`00:58.06`	`michaelh2`	`waaaaaaazzzzzzzzuuuuuuuuuuuuupppppppp`
`00:58.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No idea`
`00:58.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...the sky? :-)`
`01:03.49`	`Patlabor221`	`Fools have no clue of the power they have released.`
`01:04.14`	`Patlabor221`	`"Release the pig!!!!"`
`01:04.42`	`michaelh2`	`what does your toirtoise settings look like pat?`
`01:05.24`	`michaelh2`	`server is cvs.bzflag.sourceforge.net, right`
`01:06.45`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah one sec and I'll show you`
`01:08.25`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/settings.png`
`01:08.32`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what I use for BZflag`
`01:09.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you get sick of entering your password, you can add it to the plink section`
`01:09.26`	`Patlabor221`	`TortoisePlink -pw YOURPASS`
`01:09.28`	`Patlabor221`	`in settings`
`01:10.31`	`michaelh2`	`thanks`
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`01:20.10`	`michaelh2`	`tortoise apparently runs the ssh program in the background but then it hangs...... :(`
`01:20.25`	`michaelh2`	`does a "blink" sound but no dialog pops up`
`01:20.40`	`michaelh2`	`and if I kill the ssh program it says End of File from server`
`01:21.06`	`Patlabor221`	`what version of tortise do you have?`
`01:22.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I had problems with some older versions`
`01:22.35`	`michaelh2`	`1.2.1`
`01:22.42`	`michaelh2`	`plink .53`
`01:23.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I'm using there TortoisePlink.exe`
`01:23.15`	`michaelh2`	`same, but it's version .53`
`01:23.55`	`Patlabor221`	`damn how do you find the version number?`
`01:24.22`	`michaelh2`	`help/about?`
`01:24.28`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh there we go`
`01:24.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I have 1.2.2`
`01:24.39`	`michaelh2`	`heh`
`01:25.07`	`Patlabor221`	`I had problems with ssh till I got this version`
`01:25.53`	`michaelh2`	`well I can try download the newer one`
`01:28.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`3:30 AM here`
`01:28.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i think i should go to bed`
`01:29.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Good night`
`01:29.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i didnt say now`
`01:29.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:D`
`01:29.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, :-)`
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`01:35.03`	`dougheckaa`	`greetings`
`01:36.57`	`michaelh2`	`and salivations`
`01:37.57`	`michaelh2`	`oh noooooooo`
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`02:43.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just FYI :-)`
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`02:44.05`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`02:45.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, nevermind... no XMission :-(`
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`03:13.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hallo`
`03:14.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`insult Noodleman`
`03:14.21`	`Noodlebot`	`Noodleman, degenerate and base art thou.`
`03:14.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~insult Noodlebot`
`03:16.24`	`*** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172)`
`03:16.24`	`*** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) \| http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution`
`03:16.24`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ`
`03:16.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`03:16.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, welcome back.`
`03:16.48`		`It's great to be back!`
`03:17.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Woah.`
`03:18.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I have made up my mind. I am going with ipowweb or whatever`
`03:18.17`	`Blitz_LTD`	`what did i do?`
`03:18.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Huh?`
`03:18.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`03:18.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`People say they hate you`
`03:18.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-/`
`03:18.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm at a loss for words`
`03:18.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Even though I can't even shut myself up right now`
`03:18.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Have you ever played THPS2?`
`03:19.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Best Tony Hawk game ever, I think.`
`03:19.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`AOE is great!`
`03:19.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What about ADD...Wanna go ride our bikes?`
`03:21.11`	`Blitz_LTD`	`what did u mean about Damanding people's clients? If they didn't you banned them?`
`03:21.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`03:21.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I heard YOU did`
`03:21.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In knightmare's server`
`03:21.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You demanded their clients and if they didn't cough them up, you banned them.`
`03:21.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://www.ipowerweb.com/`
`03:21.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's it`
`03:23.02`	`Blitz_LTD`	`what????`
`03:23.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do I need the crayons?`
`03:23.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Don't make me dig back through my stuff to find crayons`
`03:24.32`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-110.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`03:24.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`03:25.05`	`Patlabor221`	`sup`
`03:25.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221: Lisa said that Jason said that Kelly said that you started a rumor about me`
`03:25.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:26.03`	`Patlabor221`	`this is not jr high school`
`03:26.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and is Kelly hot?`
`03:27.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`03:27.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`03:27.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:28.10`	`Patlabor221`	`then it must be true`
`03:28.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's that called when people dress up like anime characters?`
`03:28.18`	`Patlabor221`	`cosplay`
`03:28.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:28.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just wondering`
`03:29.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What are yu up to, Patlabor221?`
`03:29.35`	`Patlabor221`	`reading up on Skelegons`
`03:29.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`03:31.50`	`Patlabor221`	`it seesm lightware 7.0b will be very usefull`
`03:31.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`03:32.07`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`03:32.09`	`Patlabor221`	`does UVs`
`03:32.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Too bad I'm stuck with "Designer" or something`
`03:32.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It has ZERO lighting effects`
`03:32.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And about 12 textures`
`03:32.44`	`Patlabor221`	`lighting is not needed for real time models`
`03:32.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hm`
`03:32.54`	`Patlabor221`	`since the game engine takes care of that part`
`03:33.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It looks cool for still GIF's`
`03:34.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`03:34.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to fix my chair!`
`03:34.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It squeeks!`
`03:35.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can someone remind me sometime tomorrow`
`03:35.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not that it's your job or anything`
`03:35.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just a little reminder`
`03:35.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I doubt anyone will reember`
`03:35.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm kinda too lazy to get up and walk across the street to the shop and get the tools to fix it ;-)`
`03:35.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`03:36.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's the fun part about it`
`03:36.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, how do I write memos again to nickserv?`
`03:36.37`	`Patlabor221`	`msg memoserv help`
`03:36.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:37.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought it was nickserv for some odd reason :-/`
`03:37.46`	`Patlabor221`	`nopr`
`03:38.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I'm memoed up`
`03:38.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And I'm free for a while`
`03:38.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`June 22...`
`03:38.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`2075`
`03:38.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm free for a while`
`03:39.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:40.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Isn't it 10,000C degrees to cause a nuclear reaction?`
`03:40.36`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not a temp thing`
`03:40.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Are you sure?`
`03:40.49`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`03:40.53`	`Patlabor221`	`its a presure thing`
`03:41.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and a fissile material thing`
`03:41.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Because in Science class it said that an atomic reaction occurs at the temperature of 10,000C.`
`03:41.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or something like that`
`03:41.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh well`
`03:41.54`	`Patlabor221`	`that may be what the core temp of a common reactor is during reaction, but that is not what is needed to start one.`
`03:42.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:42.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Guess what`
`03:42.41`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`03:42.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There is a scientist who lives in Brooking, SD. He discovered that the sun shrinks at a rate of 5 feet a year`
`03:42.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a very big thing`
`03:43.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`COMPLETELY blowing the "Big Bang" theory out of the water`
`03:43.19`	`Patlabor221`	`huh`
`03:43.26`	`Patlabor221`	`we know stars shrink`
`03:43.28`	`Patlabor221`	`they shrink`
`03:43.32`	`Patlabor221`	`then explode`
`03:43.40`	`Patlabor221`	`spreading the stealear meduim`
`03:43.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The sun would have been so big at the beginning of time the sun would have engualfed the universe`
`03:43.56`	`Patlabor221`	`the big bang applys to way more then just a star thing`
`03:43.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No planets`
`03:44.05`	`Patlabor221`	`techincaly it was`
`03:44.18`	`Patlabor221`	`in the begining all mater was tether`
`03:44.44`	`Patlabor221`	`big gass cloud that is slowly coalesing into many stars`
`03:44.55`	`Patlabor221`	`then the stars blow and it hapens all over again`
`03:44.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`coalesing?`
`03:45.01`	`Patlabor221`	`contracting`
`03:45.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`03:45.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, it appeared weird`
`03:45.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But the sun would have been ALL of the universe`
`03:45.43`	`Patlabor221`	`now there are things that make the expansion thery seem wierd`
`03:45.49`	`Patlabor221`	`like darkmater and stuff`
`03:45.57`	`*** join/#bzflag blitz__LTd (~d808ac2e@203.194.240.139)`
`03:46.09`	`Patlabor221`	`so there is more then just an bang going on`
`03:46.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`H`
`03:46.18`	`Patlabor221`	`remember the sun is just a star`
`03:46.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah*`
`03:46.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`03:46.28`	`Patlabor221`	`one of many`
`03:46.29`	`blitz__LTd`	`can someone get ride of my other nickname i dont know why its still here`
`03:46.38`	`Patlabor221`	`did you register it?`
`03:46.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Close the other IRC window?`
`03:47.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It IS his, Patlabor221`
`03:47.12`	`Patlabor221`	`if you registerd it, then ghost it, if not it will time out at some point`
`03:47.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kick Blitz_LTD`
`03:47.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:48.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I think we need more ops...`
`03:48.19`	`Patlabor221`	`only ops can kick, ibot is a blod bot, not an egdrop, so she's not used for admin stuff`
`03:48.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bloot?`
`03:48.32`	`Patlabor221`	`~help`
`03:48.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, how is your day?`
`03:48.52`		`[STC]_creeperz: what are you talking about?`
`03:48.55`	`Patlabor221`	`~ibot`
`03:48.56`		`somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`03:48.56`	`Noodlebot`	`ibot is dead?`
`03:48.57`		`Noodlebot: I give up, what is it?`
`03:49.04`	`Patlabor221`	`bloot`
`03:49.14`	`Patlabor221`	`ibot is a blootbot`
`03:49.15`		`bugger all, i dunno, Patlabor221`
`03:49.28`	`Patlabor221`	`they are like info bots`
`03:49.32`	`Patlabor221`	`not admin bots`
`03:49.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`03:49.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know that`
`03:49.46`	`Patlabor221`	`an eggdrop bot is used for admin stuff usualy`
`03:49.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or else we would all play god with them`
`03:49.54`	`Patlabor221`	`so just let the name time out.`
`03:50.10`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why it's good to regester your nick`
`03:50.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do you make a blootbot?`
`03:50.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Mucho`
`03:50.29`	`Patlabor221`	`if ibot was an admin bot, you would not be able to access the admin functions`
`03:50.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a perl script`
`03:50.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`03:50.40`	`Patlabor221`	`you run it`
`03:50.43`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`03:50.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and boom you have a bot`
`03:50.53`	`creeperz`	`Heh`
`03:50.56`	`creeperz`	`Really?!`
`03:51.19`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`03:51.28`	`Patlabor221`	`the rest is just configuration`
`03:51.55`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:52.05`	`creeperz`	`?!`
`03:52.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What program?`
`03:53.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a script not a program I said`
`03:53.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well...`
`03:53.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`03:53.32`	`Patlabor221`	`~ibot`
`03:53.32`		`somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`03:53.32`	`Noodlebot`	`ibot is a blootbot`
`03:53.33`		`Noodlebot: i don't know`
`03:53.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:53.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How is Noodlebot talking?`
`03:53.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is HE?`
`03:54.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`noodlebot, what are you?`
`03:54.18`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot is another bot`
`03:54.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`blootbot?`
`03:54.35`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot noodlebot`
`03:54.44`	`Patlabor221`	`probablby but I don't know`
`03:54.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But...How does he do this:`
`03:54.51`	`Patlabor221`	`its not responding`
`03:54.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`insult patlabor221`
`03:54.52`	`Noodlebot`	`patlabor221, thy brain is as dry as the remainder biscuit at the end of a voyage.`
`03:54.57`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a script`
`03:55.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`03:55.03`	`Patlabor221`	`part of the script`
`03:55.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What script?`
`03:55.17`	`Patlabor221`	`part of the noodlebot script`
`03:55.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`03:55.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What script?`
`03:55.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do I make this script?`
`03:55.36`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot IS a script`
`03:55.40`	`Patlabor221`	`perl`
`03:55.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where can I learn how to make it?`
`03:55.50`	`Patlabor221`	`you write it in a text editor`
`03:55.55`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a scripting language`
`03:55.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Notepad fine?`
`03:56.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know what it is`
`03:56.02`	`Patlabor221`	`sure I guess`
`03:56.05`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just text`
`03:56.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And I need a web-server too I guess?`
`03:56.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OR what?`
`03:56.35`	`Patlabor221`	`for a script, no`
`03:56.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`03:56.43`	`Patlabor221`	`you would need the perl runtimes`
`03:56.48`	`Patlabor221`	`and the perl interpreter`
`03:56.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where can I get them?`
`03:57.01`	`Patlabor221`	`if you intend to make a perl script`
`03:57.03`	`Patlabor221`	`dono`
`03:57.08`	`Patlabor221`	`probably some perl site`
`03:57.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`03:57.15`	`Patlabor221`	`never done any perl work`
`03:57.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or maybe Noodleman can loan me his script?`
`03:57.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot is a retard`
`03:57.36`		`[STC]_creeperz: I give up, what is it?`
`03:57.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:57.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`noodlebot is cool`
`03:57.49`	`Patlabor221`	`for what?`
`03:57.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`For a bot`
`03:58.01`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot is a blootbot just like ibot`
`03:58.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea...`
`03:58.25`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you need a bot for? so we can be anoyed by 3 bots?`
`03:58.35`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot is here just cus ibots insult server is offline`
`03:58.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`noodlebot, it is <reply> this?`
`03:58.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh :-)`
`03:58.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~it`
`03:58.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tim kicks him when he sees him`
`03:58.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`03:59.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sees who?`
`03:59.08`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot`
`03:59.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No he doesn't`
`03:59.22`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy he does`
`03:59.32`	`Patlabor221`	`tim moved the insult code into ibot IIRC`
`03:59.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I'll disguise mine as cleverly as possible`
`03:59.44`	`Patlabor221`	`why?`
`03:59.52`	`Patlabor221`	`we don't need any more anoying bots`
`03:59.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`To freak people out`
`03:59.57`	`Patlabor221`	`from you, cell, or doug`
`04:00.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Alright`
`04:00.07`	`Patlabor221`	`this isn't a place for freaking people out`
`04:00.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`04:00.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`04:00.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Man, it's a bot!`
`04:00.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and I just showed you twice where to get the bot`
`04:00.35`	`Patlabor221`	`~ibot`
`04:00.36`		`well, ibot is a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`04:00.36`	`Noodlebot`	`ibot is a retard`
`04:00.37`		`Noodlebot: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`04:00.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How much can I possibly do with something that I doin't know?`
`04:00.56`	`Patlabor221`	`never underestimat the power of the foolhardy`
`04:01.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why did Noodlebot say that?`
`04:01.14`	`Patlabor221`	`cus you told it to`
`04:01.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh. I never knew you cared!`
`04:01.18`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot shut up`
`04:01.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When?`
`04:01.41`	`Patlabor221`	`when you said "ibot is a retard"`
`04:01.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
`04:01.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How did I tell him to sa ythat?`
`04:01.59`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle bot is set in non-prefix mode`
`04:02.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`say*`
`04:02.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`but`
`04:02.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ibot IS a retard!`
`04:02.15`		`[STC]_creeperz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`04:02.15`	`Patlabor221`	`that is why it's anyoying`
`04:02.21`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a script`
`04:02.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So, anything I begin, he will repeat?`
`04:02.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`say`
`04:03.16`	`Patlabor221`	`if it has IS in it, and it's on it's taged word list`
`04:03.21`	`Patlabor221`	`it's listning for ibot`
`04:03.26`	`Patlabor221`	`and like insult`
`04:03.35`	`Patlabor221`	`insult the munchkins`
`04:03.36`	`Noodlebot`	`thy breath stinks with eating toasted cheese, the munchkins`
`04:04.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So, anything that was is in it and ibot in it are keywords for Noodlebot to attack?`
`04:04.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`has*`
`04:04.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know what noodleman has it set to`
`04:04.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`04:04.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It is interesting`
`04:04.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That was kinda funny, though`
`04:05.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just out of no where`
`04:05.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He attacked him`
`04:05.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"ibot is a retard"`
`04:05.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`insult ibot`
`04:05.22`	`Noodlebot`	`ibot, thou art a dull and muddy-mettled rascal.`
`04:05.23`		`Noodlebot: I give up, what is it?`
`04:05.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`04:05.35`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot seems to be a very simple script`
`04:05.41`	`Patlabor221`	`just does says and insults`
`04:05.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Seriously?`
`04:05.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wow`
`04:06.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So when will he say that IBOT IS A RETARD`
`04:06.08`	`Patlabor221`	`thats all I can see`
`04:06.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know`
`04:06.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You've seen the script?`
`04:06.25`	`Patlabor221`	`ask noodleman when he gets back`
`04:06.26`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`04:06.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`04:06.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm interested`
`04:06.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I just infrefed from it's command set`
`04:06.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So if I were to say that you were a retard, Noodlebot would repeat it?`
`04:07.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221 is a retard`
`04:07.43`	`Patlabor221`	`noodlebot, say [STC]_creeperz is a retard`
`04:07.43`	`Noodlebot`	`[STC]_creeperz is a retard`
`04:07.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just a parrot`
`04:07.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nooblebot, insult Patlabor221`
`04:08.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`insult Patlabor221!`
`04:08.14`	`Noodlebot`	`Patlabor221!, thou art a dull and muddy-mettled rascal.`
`04:08.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`HE already said that one`
`04:08.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~lart Noodlebot`
`04:08.36`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just random`
`04:08.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`04:08.43`	`Patlabor221`	`give it up man, bot abuse is anoying`
`04:08.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:08.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it's interesting`
`04:09.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is PERL anything like C?`
`04:09.05`	`Patlabor221`	`dono`
`04:09.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No, that's PHP`
`04:09.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I'm screwed anyhow. I don't know either one :-/`
`04:09.30`	`Patlabor221`	`php uses a c like syntax, as does java and C_#`
`04:09.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`04:10.03`	`Patlabor221`	`http://learn.perl.org/`
`04:10.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where do you find this stuff so quick?`
`04:10.40`	`Patlabor221`	`www.perl.org`
`04:10.43`	`Patlabor221`	`common sense`
`04:10.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Should I start to learn perl?`
`04:11.06`	`Patlabor221`	`hey that's up to you`
`04:11.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just a scripter`
`04:11.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I don't know ANY of the bot's script structure`
`04:11.24`	`Patlabor221`	`has nice text parsers i hear tho`
`04:11.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`text parsers?`
`04:11.43`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why you need to learn a language before you make any type of app`
`04:11.48`	`Patlabor221`	`yes for parsing text`
`04:11.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict parse`
`04:12.03`	`Patlabor221`	`perl looks C like as ell`
`04:12.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`COMPlIcAtEd!`
`04:13.08`	`Patlabor221`	`not realy`
`04:13.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...my arm won't stop bothering me`
`04:13.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`IT doesn't hurt`
`04:13.27`	`Patlabor221`	`langs are not hard`
`04:13.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it's not at ease`
`04:13.36`	`Patlabor221`	`it's what you do them that's hard.`
`04:14.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And what else am I going to do? Stare at them?`
`04:14.48`	`Patlabor221`	`what you do with a language is all that realy maters`
`04:14.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:16.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`say ibot is a retard`
`04:16.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`noodlebot, say ibot is a retard`
`04:16.40`	`Noodlebot`	`ibot is a retard`
`04:16.40`		`wish i knew, Noodlebot`
`04:16.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I want to see a bot fight in a channel`
`04:17.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They used to argue`
`04:17.10`	`Patlabor221`	`then go to undernet`
`04:17.13`	`Patlabor221`	`happens all the time there`
`04:17.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`undernet?`
`04:17.27`	`Patlabor221`	`a difrent IRC network`
`04:17.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`2 bots*`
`04:17.31`	`Patlabor221`	`more for chating`
`04:17.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:17.36`	`Patlabor221`	`hell hunderds of bots`
`04:17.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In 1 channel?`
`04:17.50`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`04:17.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Geez`
`04:18.06`	`Patlabor221`	`IRC is old man`
`04:18.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What does that mean?`
`04:18.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and there are much larger networks then this little place`
`04:18.34`	`Patlabor221`	`IRC is not just for this freenode thing`
`04:18.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`04:18.46`	`Patlabor221`	`delnet, undernet, all those existed a long time ago`
`04:18.54`	`Patlabor221`	`so there are a lot of people on other networks`
`04:22.52`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm showing undernet listing 15604 channels`
`04:23.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wow`
`04:23.13`	`Patlabor221`	`with the most people in one channel begin 1028`
`04:23.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Geez`
`04:25.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ach`
`04:25.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What yu doing right now?`
`04:26.24`	`Patlabor221`	`watching Red vs. Blue`
`04:26.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Never heard of it`
`04:27.25`	`Patlabor221`	`redvsblue.com`
`04:32.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Looks like Halo`
`04:32.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it is halo`
`04:32.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:32.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Cool`
`04:33.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok?!`
`04:33.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2003-04-14&res=l`
`04:33.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's up with that?`
`04:34.15`	`Patlabor221`	`they got a C&D from american greetings`
`04:34.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`C&D?`
`04:34.29`	`Patlabor221`	`it was FUNNY :)`
`04:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`Cese and desist.`
`04:34.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:34.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What was it?`
`04:35.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do you remember?`
`04:35.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Please tell me you do!`
`04:35.29`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhh american mcgee's strawbery shortcake`
`04:35.38`	`Patlabor221`	`you'd have to see it`
`04:35.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`04:35.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Darn`
`04:35.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-/`
`04:35.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I messed up there`
`04:36.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Was it dissing American Greetings?`
`04:36.14`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`04:36.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it was a paroduy`
`04:36.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:36.32`	`Patlabor221`	`it was actulay dizing american mcgee and ea`
`04:36.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't really like EA`
`04:36.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`American McGee?`
`04:36.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is that?`
`04:36.59`	`Patlabor221`	`not what who`
`04:37.02`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a guy`
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`04:48.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://members.aol.com/matthewbrinegar/straw.gif`
`04:48.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!`
`04:49.03`	`Patlabor221`	`yes that wsa it`
`04:49.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How is it dissing EA?`
`04:50.18`	`Patlabor221`	`saying American McGee just takes any existing story and perverts it, not realy creating anything origonal was there point`
`04:50.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`04:54.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Red vs. Blue good?`
`04:54.24`	`Patlabor221`	`hellz yeah`
`04:54.33`	`Patlabor221`	`much cursing tho`
`04:54.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't mind`
`04:55.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And they're against each other?`
`04:55.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`04:56.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can't wait for Halo 2`
`04:57.15`	`Patlabor221`	`red is allways against blue`
`04:57.30`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't play much CTF I take it.`
`04:57.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Although I won't be able to play it for about 1 1/2 years later`
`04:57.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It was a joke`
`04:58.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh, I still have the CrabvsPipething :-)`
`04:58.20`	`Patlabor221`	`ep 4 just came out today so I can imagene they are slow`
`04:59.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`04:59.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think red won in Zero :-)`
`04:59.48`	`Patlabor221`	`zero?`
`04:59.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The intro thing`
`05:00.01`	`captain_proton`	`american mcgee is so cool`
`05:00.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Are those real scenes from the game?`
`05:00.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OR just really good picture editors?`
`05:00.45`	`Patlabor221`	`what`
`05:00.50`	`Patlabor221`	`the red vs blue?`
`05:00.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`05:00.59`	`Patlabor221`	`there is no editor`
`05:01.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`05:01.03`	`Patlabor221`	`thats all in game`
`05:01.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Actual game scenes?!`
`05:01.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`05:01.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:01.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's kinda funny`
`05:01.19`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah they have 2 x-boxes`
`05:01.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Guy runs up, hits in the head`
`05:01.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Takes his spot and keeps firing`
`05:01.40`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be tex`
`05:01.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I wish I had an X-Box`
`05:01.58`	`Patlabor221`	`the episodes are NOTHING like the intro :)`
`05:02.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:02.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But that was pretty funny`
`05:02.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`05:02.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It reminds me of my friend and I playing`
`05:02.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:02.43`	`Patlabor221`	`the point of the thing is not combat`
`05:02.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Except it's me being the blue guy`
`05:02.50`	`Patlabor221`	`it's about "the puma"`
`05:03.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`05:03.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But they're against each other`
`05:03.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who are you for?`
`05:03.27`	`Patlabor221`	`just WATCH them`
`05:03.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`05:03.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`05:05.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where is number 4?`
`05:05.17`	`Patlabor221`	`you can't get it till sunday as a regular user`
`05:05.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`05:05.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I got it today :)`
`05:05.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$20 says I can get it now`
`05:05.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`05:05.53`	`Patlabor221`	`so does 10`
`05:05.57`	`captain_proton`	`hmm odd`
`05:06.33`	`captain_proton`	`a package arrived for me today, unexpected, and the office, which should be open for another hour, is closed`
`05:06.46`	`Patlabor221`	`:(`
`05:06.57`	`Patlabor221`	`bang on the doors`
`05:07.43`	`Patlabor221`	`it could be a power supply`
`05:09.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I should hook up my head phones`
`05:09.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`05:09.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Need to find them`
`05:11.54`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: nobody inside to answer banging`
`05:12.01`	`captain_proton`	`i'll get it tomorrow`
`05:12.09`	`captain_proton`	`and if its a power supply, i shall dance`
`05:12.28`	`Patlabor221`	`you need ninja gear, and you could have it right now :)`
`05:13.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I must figure out how they did the voice processing to make there voices sound like they are on radios`
`05:14.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!!`
`05:14.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"What are they doing?"`
`05:14.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Just standing there"`
`05:15.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it's very funny`
`05:16.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"My no stranger to sarcasm, sir"`
`05:16.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm*`
`05:17.31`	`Patlabor221`	`cockbite`
`05:17.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:18.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They have a new...ATV`
`05:18.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I forgot what it was called`
`05:18.12`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`05:18.14`	`Patlabor221`	`LRV`
`05:18.20`	`Patlabor221`	`the warthog`
`05:18.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea...`
`05:18.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is that it?`
`05:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`or the "puma"`
`05:18.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's not a Puma whatever that is`
`05:18.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I like the Banshee :-)`
`05:19.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`m-12 MRV`
`05:19.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, Warthog`
`05:19.16`	`Patlabor221`	`the banshee is a covenent plane`
`05:19.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`05:19.26`	`Patlabor221`	`not a teran unit`
`05:19.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And it's not available in multiplayer mode`
`05:19.42`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`05:19.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Never jump from it!`
`05:19.55`	`Patlabor221`	`you can`
`05:20.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If your'e high enough, you die instintally`
`05:20.21`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`05:20.30`	`Patlabor221`	`but only a rookie would do that.`
`05:20.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I like to fly it into my teammates :-)`
`05:20.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Get going fast, jump out`
`05:20.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Let it glide into them`
`05:20.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ok Pvt. Dohnunt`
`05:21.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That and throw plasma grenades onto gun turrets and make them fall off the edges of cliffs and kill people :-)`
`05:21.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Then flip them over then occupy them`
`05:21.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's really quite degrading`
`05:21.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and who says he's not a munchkin?`
`05:22.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I want you to poison Griff's next meal`
`05:22.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Yessir"`
`05:22.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"This bumper makes it look like it has tusks`
`05:23.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And what kind of an animal has tusks?" A walrus`
`05:23.14`	`captain_proton`	`yay for piazzolla`
`05:23.25`	`Patlabor221`	`they are tow hooks rookie`
`05:23.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea, that`
`05:23.34`	`Patlabor221`	`cap what the hell is that?`
`05:23.50`	`captain_proton`	`piazzolla is an argentinean composer`
`05:23.51`	`Patlabor221`	`damn if you can't get the quote right, then don't quote`
`05:23.56`	`captain_proton`	`who writes cool music`
`05:23.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`05:24.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhhh`
`05:24.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It sounded like those mini thing things`
`05:24.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ragoli or something`
`05:24.30`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I figured it was a composer or a hot pocket`
`05:24.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:24.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`05:24.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!`
`05:24.53`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: :)`
`05:25.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You can't pick up chicks in a tank`
`05:25.19`	`Patlabor221`	`cap how do I make samples sound like they are on a headset radio`
`05:26.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`05:26.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's it look like?`
`05:26.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lik-a lik-a big cat`
`05:26.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, like a puma?`
`05:26.34`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper I have seen it, I know all the lines`
`05:26.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`05:26.44`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: hmm - make it quieter and add noise?`
`05:26.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it's so funny I have to repeat them`
`05:26.56`	`Patlabor221`	`naw it's a tonal thing too`
`05:27.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pheonix?`
`05:30.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The retard actually fell for it!`
`05:31.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh sweet, they sell tanks`
`05:32.04`	`Patlabor221`	`well at least your at the end of them`
`05:32.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yup`
`05:32.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You wouldn't probally be able to let me see the next one, huh?`
`05:33.23`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not mublic till sunday`
`05:33.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`05:38.23`	`captain_proton`	`is that one of those lead zeppelins i keep hearing about? =)`
`05:38.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, bed time for me`
`05:38.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Enjoy your DVD`
`05:38.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`See yu`
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`10:22.33`	`larsl`	`Is there no way to change the number of flags of each types without restarting the server?`
`10:22.46`	`larsl`	`s/types/type/`
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`13:16.43`	`*** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) \| http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution`
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`13:18.56`	`*** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) \| http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution`
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`13:21.21`	`larsl`	`~glasstowers`
`13:42.24`	`larsl`	`Maybe we should add an optional property for map objects that says how it should be textured?`
`13:42.44`	`doughecka`	`patches welcome`
`13:42.44`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`13:43.40`	`larsl`	`So you could sync the texture tiling of boxes that are positioned differently.`
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`16:25.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`16:26.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`insult ibot`
`16:26.12`	`Noodlebot`	`i never knew so young a body with so old a head, ibot.`
`16:26.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot is a retard`
`16:26.34`		`[STC]_creeperz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`16:28.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone home?`
`16:28.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~SUD!`
`16:28.39`		`shut up doug`
`16:28.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just kidding`
`16:29.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`�`
`16:29.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oopz`
`16:29.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok?`
`16:29.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`16:29.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Alt+1549=Enter`
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`17:02.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, bye`
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`17:51.58`	`michaelh2`	`I figured out why tortoise wasn't working`
`17:52.45`	`michaelh2`	`the cvs server wasn't in the "known hosts" list and I wasn't getting prompted to add it, although I could hear the "blink" noise telling me some error had happened`
`17:54.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh\`
`17:54.20`	`Patlabor221`	`get it worked out?`
`17:54.32`	`michaelh2`	`it's downloading now`
`17:54.36`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`17:54.53`	`michaelh2`	`I ran the ssh plink thingee separately.. and I saw the prompt and could answer yes`
`17:55.08`	`michaelh2`	`where it was hidden when ran in the background`
`17:55.08`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh`
`17:55.38`	`Patlabor221`	`I think I started sshing with winCVS so I probably allready had it in my hosts lists`
`17:55.51`	`michaelh2`	`So now I have yet a 4th directory for bzflag :)`
`17:55.59`	`Patlabor221`	`heh`
`17:56.07`	`michaelh2`	`plus of course 10`
`17:56.12`	`michaelh2`	`'s of bzflag.exe's`
`17:57.06`	`michaelh2`	`So how does it use SSH? Does it download over ssh?`
`17:57.15`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`17:57.16`	`Patlabor221`	`it logs in over ssh`
`17:57.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and does it's seff`
`17:57.23`	`Patlabor221`	`stuff`
`17:57.30`	`larsl`	`It logs in over SSH and runs CVS om the remote host.`
`17:57.36`	`larsl`	`on.`
`17:57.51`	`michaelh2`	`weird`
`17:57.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and just send you the output`
`17:58.03`	`larsl`	`Just like sftp.`
`17:58.23`	`michaelh2`	`back through ssh.. right`
`17:58.27`	`michaelh2`	`?`
`17:58.30`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah both ways`
`17:59.06`	`captain_1roton`	`its here!`
`17:59.19`	`Patlabor221`	`see I told you it was a power supply`
`17:59.26`	`michaelh2`	`Why is there so little in menus.h ? It's mostly stuck in menus.cxx`
`17:59.58`	`Patlabor221`	`(chough)bad design (8chough)`
`18:00.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think the thing was intended to have a lifecyle this long :)`
`18:00.31`	`larsl`	`I don't think it's actually 'designed'. People just add new stuff where they think it fits.`
`18:00.39`	`michaelh2`	`heh`
`18:00.47`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy tha'ts all old code iirc`
`18:00.51`	`michaelh2`	`So it's ok if I hack away at it too huh`
`18:01.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't see why not, but then it's allways Tim's call`
`18:01.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's not like we have a spec.`
`18:01.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I would not commit any cleanups till after the release tho ( if that ever happens)`
`18:02.24`	`michaelh2`	`Has anyone taken a gander at my server list cache thingee?`
`18:02.46`	`larsl`	`Haven't tried it, can do it now.`
`18:02.49`	`michaelh2`	`I think it definately adds something as a backup option, perhaps not as a main option`
`18:03.15`	`larsl`	`Yes, it would be nice to have when the list server goes down.`
`18:03.28`	`michaelh2`	`So if the list server fails it comes up with the last month's list of servers`
`18:04.31`	`larsl`	`Maybe it could be done with an IRC bot?`
`18:04.33`	`michaelh2`	`The other thing it does is allow you to go back a certain period of time .. and it throws all those cached servers into the list .. even when they aren't in the list server`
`18:04.46`	`captain_1roton`	`YAAAAAY`
`18:04.48`	`captain_1roton`	`its booting!`
`18:05.01`	`larsl`	`bzflag logs onto freenode and does '/msg bzfls BZFS107e'.`
`18:05.07`	`michaelh2`	`and I'm not sure how much value that is really.. although all the cached servers get pushed to the back`
`18:05.54`	`michaelh2`	`sort of like .. here's a bunch of servers that aren't listing .. probably down...`
`18:07.09`	`michaelh2`	`does operator<< (fstream) -- require text based stuff?`
`18:07.27`	`michaelh2`	`or does it mangle binary stuff?`
`18:07.29`	`captain_1roton`	`michaelh2: depends on the state within the fstream`
`18:07.40`	`captain_1roton`	`you can turn off a few flags and it will handle binary data ok`
`18:07.49`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, you should have gone in ninja style last night :0`
`18:07.56`	`captain_1roton`	`=)`
`18:07.57`	`Patlabor221`	`did you do your little dance?`
`18:08.03`	`captain_1roton`	`i did`
`18:08.09`	`Patlabor221`	`very cool`
`18:08.26`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: On UNIX it just works. =)`
`18:08.36`	`larsl`	`Since there is no 'binary mode'.`
`18:08.47`	`michaelh2`	`hmm`
`18:09.37`	`michaelh2`	`any preference for fstream over FILE* kinds of things ?`
`18:09.49`	`larsl`	`fstream!`
`18:09.53`	`Chestal`	`why do you want to write untyped data with <<?`
`18:09.57`	`Patlabor221`	`FILE* !`
`18:10.18`	`larsl`	`Yes, fstream::write() is better for that.`
`18:10.32`	`michaelh2`	`it's outputting the contents of a ping packet ?`
`18:11.01`	`michaelh2`	`So just pass fstream into subroutines?`
`18:11.05`	`Patlabor221`	`OSFile::Write() :)`
`18:11.11`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: Your patch gives me a warning: Ping.cxx:392:2: no newline at end of file`
`18:11.14`	`Chestal`	`jsut as a byte buffer? then use write`
`18:11.30`	`michaelh2`	`tis what I do`
`18:11.42`	`Patlabor221`	`damn nix compiler :)`
`18:11.43`	`michaelh2`	`newlines are good I suppose ?`
`18:11.45`	`michaelh2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:11.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you need to put them at the end of headers`
`18:12.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and stuff`
`18:12.06`	`Chestal`	`every C/C++ fiel has to end with a \n`
`18:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`why?`
`18:12.13`	`michaelh2`	`Does that like "hit return" or what to me?`
`18:12.20`	`Chestal`	`I even stumbled about a tool once which got all confused when it was missing`
`18:12.22`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah hit return`
`18:12.28`	`Patlabor221`	`but why?`
`18:12.32`	`Patlabor221`	`seems so arbitrary`
`18:12.38`	`Chestal`	`it wasn't c source code, though what it was processing, just a config file`
`18:12.47`	`Chestal`	`Pat: because it's written in the standard`
`18:13.00`	`Patlabor221`	`still dosn't make sense`
`18:13.04`	`michaelh2`	`because they tested for a newline character before an EOF ?`
`18:13.13`	`Chestal`	`Pat: well, in the lgiht of my experience with this tool it actually does`
`18:13.32`	`Chestal`	`Pat: I cannot imagine the parsing/read routine which would have problems with it, but obviously there are some out there`
`18:13.36`	`Patlabor221`	`well that means to me the tool was not build as robust as it could.`
`18:13.38`	`larsl`	`Another one:`
`18:13.40`	`larsl`	bzflag.cxx: In function `void dumpResources(BzfDisplay*, SceneRenderer&)':
`18:13.46`	`larsl`	`bzflag.cxx:740: warning: int format, time_t arg (arg 3)`
`18:14.01`	`captain_1roton`	`now its time for the great cable adventure`
`18:14.18`	`Chestal`	`Pat: true. Luckily I never stumbled over a C compiler which would break without the \n, bit it's good practice to ad dit anyway, and gcc is nice and warns`
`18:14.39`	`Patlabor221`	`VC dosn't warn at the default warning level`
`18:15.19`	`Chestal`	`VC sucks anyway :-)`
`18:15.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I say the same thing avout gcc :)`
`18:15.57`	`Chestal`	`I was trying to help a student with a program doign soem ODBC stuff on VC++, it was ugly, full of macros`
`18:16.07`	`Chestal`	`at lewast the current gcc adheres to standards`
`18:16.13`	`michaelh2`	`what does that warning mean? int format, time_t arg`
`18:16.16`	`Chestal`	`AFAIK even the newest vc++ still has som eproblems`
`18:16.28`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: It's for sprintf().`
`18:16.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yes the ODBC crap is nasty, but that's API stuff not the app or compiler`
`18:16.40`	`Chestal`	`one reason not to use sprintf`
`18:16.42`	`Patlabor221`	`all compilers still have some problems`
`18:16.46`	`larsl`	`The pattern says '%d', but the parameter is a time_t, not an int.`
`18:16.52`	`Chestal`	`you cannot use sprintf to pritn a time_t argument n a portable way`
`18:17.06`	`Patlabor221`	`or cast the sucker`
`18:17.06`	`larsl`	`(int)time ?`
`18:17.17`	`Chestal`	`int might not be big enough`
`18:17.19`	`michaelh2`	`it says (long) right on it :)`
`18:17.26`	`michaelh2`	`sprintf(buffer, "%d", (long)ServerMenu::getMaxCacheAge());`
`18:17.27`	`michaelh2`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:17.35`	`michaelh2`	`I was trying to anticipate that`
`18:17.45`	`Patlabor221`	`true, QPF uses a double wide int.`
`18:18.09`	`michaelh2`	`QPF?`
`18:18.16`	`Patlabor221`	`Query Performance Counter`
`18:18.26`	`Patlabor221`	`the ONE TRUE TIMER :)`
`18:18.45`	`captain_1roton`	`time for this one to go offline`
`18:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`acurate down to the CPU time granularity`
`18:18.52`	`michaelh2`	`perhaps I just need more parantheses ..`
`18:19.21`	`Chestal`	`when you use long, you have to use %ld`
`18:19.22`	`michaelh2`	`Java is cool like that ...... not`
`18:19.27`	`michaelh2`	`doh`
`18:19.49`	`Patlabor221`	`why not just an int?`
`18:19.52`	`michaelh2`	`hmm`
`18:19.56`	`michaelh2`	`fear ?`
`18:20.12`	`Patlabor221`	`you fear the int?`
`18:20.19`	`Patlabor221`	`on most systems it's the same as a long`
`18:20.22`	`larsl`	`With %ld it works.`
`18:20.49`	`michaelh2`	`actually it doesn't matter anyway unless you want to keep a server list for perhaps a few thousand years`
`18:21.01`	`michaelh2`	`or hundreds of years, something like that`
`18:22.21`	`larsl`	`You can't write 'const static size_t var = 200;' ? Didn't know that...`
`18:22.43`	`larsl`	`GCC says that 'static' must be the first word in the declaration.`
`18:23.00`	`michaelh2`	`Do you have a slow compiler or is there some huge list you're reading from?`
`18:23.14`	`larsl`	`I have -Werror turned on, so it dies on each error.`
`18:23.20`	`Patlabor221`	`gcc makes a LOT of text`
`18:23.54`	`larsl`	`Each warning, I mean.`
`18:23.58`	`michaelh2`	`ah so`
`18:24.34`	`michaelh2`	`I loved it when they changed the Java compiler so it just ran on for pages at a time`
`18:24.42`	`michaelh2`	`lots of fun trying to debug it`
`18:25.30`	`michaelh2`	`I'll have to setup a unix thingee .. a bit more painful than vc++ I think to do that`
`18:26.41`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: Just install Mandrake or Red Hat with development packages. It's easy. =)`
`18:27.00`	`michaelh2`	`I have that german one`
`18:27.07`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: I fixed the warnings on GCC 3.2, do you want the updated patch?`
`18:27.13`	`michaelh2`	`Sure`
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`18:27.43`	`captain_proton`	`la la la la la la la`
`18:27.51`	`michaelh2`	`Was it just those few -- nothing else?`
`18:28.42`	`larsl`	`A couple of those sprintf() errors, the newline, an unused variable, and the 'const static' thing.`
`18:29.08`	`michaelh2`	`not as bad as I might thought :)`
`18:30.11`	`michaelh2`	`So ya'll think that fstream would be nicer than FILE* for things?`
`18:30.44`	`larsl`	`I think so, at least.`
`18:32.24`	`michaelh2`	`Some weird macro conflict with win32 & <fstream>`
`18:33.14`	`michaelh2`	`I think your problem is caused by this line in network.h (about line 110):`
`18:33.14`	`michaelh2`	`#define close(__x) closesocket(__x)`
`18:33.14`	`michaelh2`	`In my code I replaced it with:`
`18:33.14`	`michaelh2`	`inline int close(SOCKET s) { return closesocket(s); }`
`18:33.14`	`michaelh2`	`Which does basically the same thing, but will allow the compiler to type check it.`
`18:33.14`	`larsl`	`Yes... you can't close them. =P`
`18:33.40`	`michaelh2`	`Think I could put in a change like that?`
`18:34.03`	`larsl`	`It sounds great.`
`18:34.20`	`larsl`	`Macros are evil, especially when they collide with standard functions.`
`18:34.32`	`michaelh2`	`Someone else posted that in response to my query on the board`
`18:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`wel come back cap`
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`18:34.45`	`larsl`	`Um?`
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`18:34.57`	`michaelh2`	`hmmm`
`18:35.00`	`larsl`	`XChat doesn't handle HTML code. =)`
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`18:35.08`	`Patlabor221`	`well that's what F2 does`
`18:35.10`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry bout that`
`18:35.18`	`Patlabor221`	`that was suposed to be this`
`18:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`CAP, wathc these http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor/movie/BloodGulch`
`18:35.40`	`larsl`	`Who is the RPM packager?`
`18:35.47`	`Patlabor221`	`we have one?`
`18:36.01`	`larsl`	`I'd be interested in knowing how they build the packages without removing all the object files.`
`18:36.03`	`captain_proton`	`i think usually tim does it`
`18:36.53`	`michaelh2`	`so : > inline int close(SOCKET s) { return closesocket(s); } searches all the text and replaces it with closesocket ?`
`18:37.01`	`larsl`	`The 'make package' target is a bit broken on my system.`
`18:37.34`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: No, only when it makes sense as a function call.`
`18:37.42`	`larsl`	`Otherwise it would be a macro. =)`
`18:38.19`	`michaelh2`	`all this to save 6 characters?`
`18:38.44`	`larsl`	`It seems a bit unnecessary.`
`18:38.47`	`michaelh2`	`or is this just a win32 definition`
`18:39.27`	`Patlabor221`	`that does look winstock ish`
`18:39.33`	`larsl`	`Maybe the UNIX function is 'close()' but the Win32 function is 'closesocket()'.`
`18:39.52`	`michaelh2`	`that's what I was wondering`
`18:39.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it is, since windows does not have true Berkley sockets`
`18:40.00`	`michaelh2`	`really stupid of them......`
`18:40.09`	`larsl`	`If it's only defined for Win32, that's probably it.`
`18:40.12`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: did you reduce the max speed?`
`18:40.18`	`Patlabor221`	`winsock is kind cool in some cases.`
`18:40.25`	`Patlabor221`	`like the cases where you only care about windows`
`18:40.37`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's close enough to bsd to mae a port easy`
`18:40.47`	`captain_proton`	`sortof`
`18:41.00`	`Patlabor221`	`the whole message pump notification think is kina nice for a windows only app`
`18:41.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I said close :)`
`18:41.07`	`larsl`	`It's too bad that there are no socket streams in standard C++.`
`18:41.23`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: CC++ has them`
`18:41.29`	`larsl`	`CC++?`
`18:41.35`	`captain_proton`	`gnu common c++`
`18:41.50`	`Patlabor221`	`C++ with more templates?`
`18:41.52`	`captain_proton`	`a set of cross-platform libraries that add stuff that C++ lacks - like process management & sockets`
`18:42.00`	`larsl`	`Like Boost?`
`18:42.05`	`captain_proton`	`yeah, like boost`
`18:42.10`	`captain_proton`	`but without the 10 minute compile time`
`18:42.24`	`larsl`	`=)`
`18:43.10`	`michaelh2`	`ok to commit that inline function thingee? I think it's only for windows`
`18:43.17`	`captain_proton`	`ok time to shower`
`18:43.35`	`larsl`	`OK with me. I can't really think of anything it would break.`
`18:43.39`	`larsl`	`But I'm not in charge. =9`
`18:43.43`	`larsl`	`=)`
`18:43.59`	`michaelh2`	`I will include it and since I am running VC++ -- see what happens`
`18:44.45`	`larsl`	`What's the difference between CC++ and glib?`
`18:44.57`	`larsl`	`Ah, glib is C. Sorry.`
`18:45.36`	`michaelh2`	`ahhhhhhh nothing like a fresh bz-folder :)`
`18:45.58`	`larsl`	`Hm. I got a core dump in loadCache().`
`18:46.25`	`larsl`	`Rebuilding with debug options...`
`18:47.59`	`michaelh2`	`uh oh`
`18:48.29`	`Patlabor221`	`cap: maybe I don't recall`
`18:49.03`	`michaelh2`	`perhaps there wasn't a cache to load :)`
`18:49.46`	`Patlabor221`	`cap: I was tweaking with the world defautls`
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`18:50.52`	`larsl`	`It's in the destructot for std::string.`
`18:52.22`	`michaelh2`	`perhaps when it closes the file`
`18:52.41`	`larsl`	`This is probably bad: memset(&info,0, sizeof(info));`
`18:52.58`	`larsl`	`When info is a ServerItem, and ServerItem contains a std::string member.`
`18:53.19`	`larsl`	`memsetting it to 0 may screw up the strings internal state, and cause its destructor to die.`
`18:53.25`	`michaelh2`	`doh`
`18:53.41`	`michaelh2`	`mental not to self -- memset = bad`
`18:53.47`	`michaelh2`	`works with vc++ :)`
`18:53.48`	`larsl`	`And it seems unneccesary too... all the members should be initialized to 0 or empty strings anyway.`
`18:54.26`	`michaelh2`	`well perhaps it's wrong kind of thing to zero out then`
`18:54.39`	`Patlabor221`	`you memset the class or the data portion?`
`18:54.50`	`michaelh2`	`I zeroed the entire thing :)`
`18:54.51`	`larsl`	`It seems to work without the memset(). I don't have a cache yet, though. =)`
`18:54.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh shit`
`18:54.56`	`Patlabor221`	`don't do that`
`18:55.00`	`michaelh2`	`heh`
`18:55.04`	`Patlabor221`	`that will zero the pointer to the data`
`18:55.15`	`michaelh2`	`which is not good :)`
`18:55.17`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a std:: string`
`18:55.21`	`michaelh2`	`yeppers`
`18:55.25`	`Patlabor221`	`just call empty();`
`18:55.43`	`Patlabor221`	`use the functions that were given to you`
`18:55.44`	`michaelh2`	`I'll have to add some constructors, initing stuff too probably`
`18:55.45`	`larsl`	`It's done right after the ServerItem is created, so it should be empty anyway.`
`18:56.04`	`michaelh2`	`Ah well.. I was just being paranoid..`
`18:56.05`	`Patlabor221`	`the constructor for a string inits it to zero length`
`18:56.14`	`Patlabor221`	`thats' one of the cool points about using them`
`18:56.23`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't have to manage them`
`18:56.26`	`Patlabor221`	`just use them`
`18:56.31`	`Patlabor221`	`they take care of themselves`
`18:56.41`	`michaelh2`	`It's funny to watch what kind of interesting garabage you can get and if you don't zero things out you don't know something is wrong`
`18:56.55`	`michaelh2`	`because something is there`
`18:57.14`	`michaelh2`	`weird that it works in vc++`
`18:57.21`	`Patlabor221`	`well in debug mode, all new mem is zeroed`
`18:57.26`	`Patlabor221`	`you are problably just lucky`
`18:57.34`	`larsl`	`Different string implementation.`
`18:57.40`	`Patlabor221`	`or the implementation of your stl is difrent`
`18:57.59`	`larsl`	`It would probably leak memory, though. =)`
`18:58.05`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`18:58.13`	`Patlabor221`	`you need bounds checker :)`
`18:58.37`	`larsl`	`ElectricFence. =)`
`18:59.14`	`michaelh2`	`one way to test the cache is to rename the list server to gibberish and then run bzflag again`
`18:59.21`	`larsl`	`OK.`
`18:59.23`	`Patlabor221`	`bounds checker is the sam thing`
`18:59.26`	`michaelh2`	`after you do a find :)`
`18:59.51`	`michaelh2`	`after it pulls in a list of stuff`
`19:00.53`	`larsl`	`It lists the cached greyed-out hosts, but when I try to join one I get a segfault.`
`19:01.00`	`michaelh2`	`doh`
`19:01.11`	`michaelh2`	`join or just select it?`
`19:01.16`	`larsl`	`Join.`
`19:01.19`	`larsl`	`Select works.`
`19:01.53`	`larsl`	`In cleanWorldCache().`
`19:02.14`	`michaelh2`	`weird`
`19:02.40`	`larsl`	`What's worldPath ?`
`19:03.22`	`michaelh2`	`the name of the directory to the cache...`
`19:03.29`	`michaelh2`	`I changed it from static .. to non static`
`19:03.35`	`michaelh2`	`getCacheDirectoryName(); that is`
`19:04.14`	`michaelh2`	`so that's probably NULL or something I bet`
`19:06.35`	`captain_proton`	`bounds checker != electric fence`
`19:06.45`	`captain_proton`	`bounds checker < valgrind`
`19:06.55`	`Patlabor221`	`what does EF do then?`
`19:07.16`	`captain_proton`	`its a library you link with that provides its own alloc/dealloc functions and does stack protection`
`19:07.41`	`larsl`	`It replaces malloc() and free() (and possibly new and delete) with versions that allocates write-protected memory on both sides of the memory block you want.`
`19:07.58`	`larsl`	`So if you go outside your block, the program will crash immediately.`
`19:08.15`	`larsl`	`Read-protected too, I think.`
`19:08.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that's part of what bounds checker can do. works with truetime and some other thing it comes with`
`19:08.46`	`captain_proton`	`i didn't think it would crash immediately`
`19:08.47`	`Patlabor221`	`throws up an error dialog and lets you save out the state too`
`19:08.59`	`Patlabor221`	`it's part of it's bug traping tools`
`19:09.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it is in the new version only`
`19:09.14`	`captain_proton`	`but i've never really used it`
`19:09.19`	`Patlabor221`	`tho tecicnicaly it's not called bounds checker anymore`
`19:09.23`	`larsl`	`It's supposed to be used with a debugger.`
`19:09.32`	`Patlabor221`	`its the "numega develoeprs tools"`
`19:09.47`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it can be used with or with out the debuger`
`19:09.49`	`larsl`	`EF writes a lot of stuff to stderr too.`
`19:10.27`	`Patlabor221`	`this writes to a dialog in Visual studio so you can go right to the place of the error`
`19:11.01`	`larsl`	`You can do that if you run gdb inside emacs. =)`
`19:11.17`	`captain_proton`	`eww`
`19:11.46`	`larsl`	`The GDB mode is a bit weird though.`
`19:12.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I just hit F5`
`19:13.48`	`michaelh2`	`woohoo inluded <fstream> in menus.cxx without funky errors :)`
`19:15.44`	`michaelh2`	`how does vc++ handle new line chars when I edit files using it?`
`19:15.56`	`michaelh2`	`Does it leave them alone?`
`19:16.02`	`Patlabor221`	`depends`
`19:16.06`	`michaelh2`	`Or do I need to process them before I commit them?`
`19:16.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it will make them what ever they are when you opend the files`
`19:16.26`	`Patlabor221`	`from CVS they will be converted`
`19:16.26`	`captain_proton`	`yay for fish sandwiches`
`19:16.48`	`Patlabor221`	`so it will add them as CR+LF`
`19:17.02`	`Patlabor221`	`then when you CVS commit it will convert them back to 'nix`
`19:17.09`	`Patlabor221`	`so you don't have to do anything`
`19:18.39`	`michaelh2`	`narly`
`19:18.57`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: I can't reproduce the segfault.`
`19:19.12`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: It refused to list the cached servers once though.`
`19:20.48`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`19:20.49`	`larsl`	`michaelh2: What's in the .bwc files? Why is it binary?`
`19:20.49`	`michaelh2`	`So it works, but it borked at least once?`
`19:20.54`	`larsl`	`Yeah.`
`19:21.08`	`michaelh2`	`there's one file actually`
`19:21.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Howdy howdy howdy`
`19:21.19`	`michaelh2`	`those are cache files .. there's one server cache file`
`19:21.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`19:22.01`	`michaelh2`	`It serializes (roughly) each ServerItem , which in turn serializes each PingPacket`
`19:22.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`19:22.29`	`michaelh2`	`and I called the pack() thingee on the pingPacket`
`19:22.52`	`larsl`	`OK.`
`19:22.56`	`michaelh2`	`which produces binary stuff which completely gags on text intput or output`
`19:22.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`19:23.18`	`michaelh2`	`Could do it more text wise, but it would require adding more stuff to the pingpacket`
`19:23.40`	`michaelh2`	`which has a hex output thingee, but the hexPack thingee doesn't cover all of the pingpacket`
`19:24.13`	`michaelh2`	`the cache file should be something like BZFS17Servers.bzs or ssomething`
`19:24.24`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh the joy of waiting for the bleeding to stop`
`19:24.25`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`19:24.26`	`michaelh2`	`like that.. you could try deleteing it and running it again`
`19:24.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's up, Patlabor221?`
`19:24.51`	`Patlabor221`	`just bleeding`
`19:24.57`	`larsl`	`Yep, cache is gone.`
`19:25.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The brakes on your car :-)`
`19:25.07`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`19:25.08`	`Patlabor221`	`me`
`19:25.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`19:25.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`19:25.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's bleeding on you though?`
`19:25.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Kidney"`
`19:25.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`19:25.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`;-)`
`19:25.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cut your finger?`
`19:27.02`	`Patlabor221`	`a laceration`
`19:27.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`noodlebot, say Patlabor221 is going to bleed to death`
`19:27.13`	`Noodlebot`	`Patlabor221 is going to bleed to death`
`19:27.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict laceration`
`19:27.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`19:27.45`	`michaelh2`	`Pat.. can you explain to me why you seem to have two completely different names? :)`
`19:28.04`	`Patlabor221`	`for what?`
`19:28.15`	`michaelh2`	`Who is Pat Labor and who is Jeff ?`
`19:28.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think he means your nick and your real name`
`19:28.17`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`19:28.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I am the pumpkin KING!`
`19:28.30`	`captain_proton`	`haha`
`19:28.37`	`michaelh2`	`or perhaps I should ask what Patlabor is`
`19:28.43`	`Patlabor221`	`you should`
`19:28.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Same`
`19:28.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-/`
`19:28.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is Patlabor?`
`19:28.56`	`michaelh2`	`pumpkin king?`
`19:29.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That anything like a puma?`
`19:29.51`	`Patlabor221`	`Shinohara Heavy Industries Ingram AV-97 advanced walker vehicle`
`19:30.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`19:30.14`	`captain_proton`	`heh`
`19:30.19`	`Patlabor221`	`a Labor unit speciifcly designed for police patroll work`
`19:30.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`19:30.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Like on RoboCop?`
`19:30.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ummm no`
`19:30.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`19:30.56`	`michaelh2`	`I thought it was the name of some Guy, like Pat Labor :)`
`19:31.01`	`Patlabor221`	`the ingram would step on robocop`
`19:31.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There a pic of it?`
`19:31.20`	`Patlabor221`	`there are many`
`19:31.43`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.animewallpapers.com/wallpapers/patlabor/full_4_1024.asp`
`19:32.01`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.ex.org/2.6/31-manga_patlabor.html`
`19:32.28`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/5627/Patlabor/pat_info.html`
`19:32.32`	`larsl`	`Was there another BZFS107 protocol before BZFS107e, or does the protocol never change except at minor version number changes (1.6 -> 1.7, 1.7 -> 1.9) ?`
`19:32.49`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, it's the same for all compatable versions`
`19:32.57`	`larsl`	`So why the 'e'?`
`19:33.06`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: protocol never changes except at minor/major version`
`19:33.21`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it was changed at 1.7e0 IIRC`
`19:33.30`	`michaelh2`	`heh`
`19:33.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221: What's that one anime that's similar to G-Gundam?`
`19:33.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The people move in the bot things and then the ots move`
`19:33.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it is so far from gundam that I will now have to shoot you.`
`19:34.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it's nothing like that`
`19:34.05`	`michaelh2`	`ah so.. so that's why the anime sig pics :)`
`19:34.16`	`Patlabor221`	`you sir ar a very smart man`
`19:34.22`	`Patlabor221`	`tho that sig pic is not from Patlabor`
`19:34.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And there is a powerful one, if you use it too long, whenever the bot gets hurt, you get hurt`
`19:34.44`	`Patlabor221`	`Gundam GFighter was a crock`
`19:34.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm talking about a different show, Patlabor221`
`19:34.50`	`Patlabor221`	`horible show`
`19:35.03`	`Patlabor221`	`made to apeal to DBZ fans`
`19:35.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's not Gundam\`
`19:35.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`19:35.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't really like DBZ anymore :-)`
`19:35.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`GO TRIGUN!`
`19:35.34`	`captain_proton`	`munchkins...`
`19:35.41`	`Patlabor221`	`big time`
`19:35.42`	`captain_proton`	`whatever happened to real anime?`
`19:35.45`	`captain_proton`	`like lain =)`
`19:35.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, Trigun is cooler than DBZ!`
`19:35.57`	`Patlabor221`	`it's there, they just don't show it on TV`
`19:36.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nadesico`
`19:36.13`	`Patlabor221`	`trigun is better then DBZ but it's still lower then most "good" shows`
`19:36.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Trigun appeals to me`
`19:36.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Vash isn't even human!`
`19:36.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And he's like 130 years old`
`19:36.53`	`Patlabor221`	`yes a silly yet violent gun fest with little to no story`
`19:37.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And both of his arms are guns`
`19:37.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and can he shoot out his mouth?`
`19:37.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221: Excuse me, you've never seen 3 episodes of it`
`19:37.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Not to my knowledge`
`19:37.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I have not seen any eps, because I did the research to see if I wanted to see any eps and learned what it is`
`19:38.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But he did put a big a- hole in the 5th moon`
`19:38.14`	`Patlabor221`	`the best patlabor movie only has fighting in the last 15 min of the entire thing.`
`19:38.30`	`*** join/#bzflag Blitz_LTD (~d808ae58@203.194.240.139)`
`19:38.34`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's all tactical stuff`
`19:38.39`	`Patlabor221`	`great story in it`
`19:38.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`19:38.44`	`captain_proton`	`https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.e42b/media/video/anime/serial_experiments_lain/`
`19:38.47`	`captain_proton`	`;)`
`19:38.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I like RVB now :-)`
`19:38.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Even though it's not an anime`
`19:38.53`	`Patlabor221`	`lain roks`
`19:39.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh he got https back up?`
`19:39.11`	`captain_proton`	`back up? its been up all this time`
`19:39.15`	`captain_proton`	`its just the URL changes daily`
`19:39.19`	`Patlabor221`	`wasn't it down for some time?`
`19:39.25`	`Patlabor221`	`and I had to do that rsync stuff`
`19:39.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not to my knowing`
`19:40.09`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh I see`
`19:40.56`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh there we go season 3 :)`
`19:41.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pat: RVB episode 4 will be out tomorrow, right?`
`19:41.28`	`Patlabor221`	`for you yes`
`19:41.29`	`larsl`	`The only cartoons I watch is South Park and The Simpsons. =)`
`19:41.32`	`larsl`	`And Futurama.`
`19:41.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or can you give me the URL to it now? :-)`
`19:41.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`larsl: My kind of shows :-)`
`19:41.56`	`Patlabor221`	`no I don't have a link to the low res mov's that the public gets`
`19:42.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`19:42.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Are you on the mailing list?`
`19:42.17`	`captain_proton`	`futurama is good`
`19:42.24`	`Patlabor221`	`mailing list?`
`19:42.38`	`captain_proton`	`https://navi.picogui.org:3000/public.e42b/media/video/series/Futurama/ <-- proof positive of its goodness =)`
`19:42.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Doesn't RVB have a mailing list?`
`19:42.49`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`19:42.53`	`Patlabor221`	`why would it?`
`19:42.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`19:43.00`	`Patlabor221`	`maling lists are kinda lame`
`19:43.18`	`Patlabor221`	`they have a forum`
`19:43.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`RVB?`
`19:43.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yup`
`19:43.38`	`Patlabor221`	`no my aunt velma`
`19:43.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ah`
`19:43.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They do to have a mailing list!`
`19:43.59`	`*** join/#bzflag ltdblitz (~d808adae@203.194.240.139)`
`19:44.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm so very happy for them`
`19:44.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me too!`
`19:44.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do you get the high res movies?`
`19:44.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I have a link in the forum they post to high res sponsors`
`19:45.31`	`captain_proton`	`sheesh`
`19:45.34`	`captain_proton`	`$0.77/GB now`
`19:45.50`	`Patlabor221`	`mmmmm larger drive`
`19:46.01`	`captain_proton`	`i'm starting to think about when we'll expand navi next year`
`19:46.19`	`Patlabor221`	`we can get you drives at cost`
`19:46.28`	`captain_proton`	`whats yer price on 120s?`
`19:46.29`	`Patlabor221`	`we have a local place that only does wholesale`
`19:46.40`	`Patlabor221`	`what speed?`
`19:47.04`	`captain_proton`	`7400 preferably but it doesn't really matter`
`19:47.15`	`captain_proton`	`because its all striped storage`
`19:47.39`	`Patlabor221`	`asking now`
`19:49.45`	`Patlabor221`	`cap you should put up the rahXephons on Navi`
`19:49.57`	`Patlabor221`	`IBM Vancouver 07N8179 120gb 7200RPM IDE ATA100 $130`
`19:50.05`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:50.30`	`michaelh2`	`ibm got boughtout by someone -- no in advance return .....`
`19:50.35`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:50.56`	`Patlabor221`	`samsung has a 3 year waranty too`
`19:51.00`	`captain_proton`	`those are all kinda expensive ;)`
`19:51.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah they are nice diives`
`19:51.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I will look at the list myself one day when I go back into the office.`
`19:51.48`	`captain_proton`	`i'm seeing that same samsung for $92`
`19:51.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I think he was looking at the retail list`
`19:51.55`	`Patlabor221`	`not the OEM list`
`19:52.13`	`captain_proton`	`well its not urgent anyways`
`19:52.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`19:52.21`	`captain_proton`	`we'll probably do this in the middle of august`
`19:52.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I can have him look for a deal on oem drives`
`19:52.44`	`Patlabor221`	`sometimes we get deals on mismarked drives`
`19:52.56`	`Patlabor221`	`where the labels are printed wrong`
`19:53.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`August 23 per se?`
`19:53.03`	`Patlabor221`	`those are the best deals :)`
`19:53.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`19:53.16`	`captain_proton`	`august 16`
`19:53.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`19:53.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Extend it a week!`
`19:53.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`19:53.42`	`Patlabor221`	`heh, the release date for Halo on the PC is my birthday :)`
`19:53.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`19:53.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When is that?`
`19:53.58`	`Patlabor221`	`in september`
`19:54.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`19:54.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`By then Halo 2 will almost be out`
`19:54.22`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`19:54.30`	`Patlabor221`	`halo 2 is a 2004 release`
`19:54.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is MS making an X-Box (Evolved)?`
`19:54.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`19:54.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-/`
`19:54.46`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`19:54.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I heard they were making a new console`
`19:54.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ms has allways made the x-box`
`19:55.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`19:55.14`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I'm sure an X-box 2 is planed at some point`
`19:55.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`19:55.31`	`Patlabor221`	`but a console has an active life cuycle of 3-5 years`
`19:55.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I heard that it would be called that`
`19:55.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`19:55.53`	`Patlabor221`	`hell they can't even find ram fast enough for the PS3 specs`
`19:56.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My computer will last about 20 more minutes if it keeps loading this slowly`
`19:56.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`19:56.17`	`Patlabor221`	`no I'm making this shit up`
`19:56.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`19:56.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`19:56.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`19:57.42`	`captain_proton`	`they probably just haven't considered rambus 1066`
`19:57.43`	`captain_proton`	`;)`
`19:58.12`	`captain_proton`	`if its fast enough for an sgi altix, i'm sure its more than enough for a ps3`
`19:59.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221: What's your nick in the RVB forums?`
`19:59.45`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, no it's not fast enough`
`19:59.53`	`Patlabor221`	`they are looking at some insanse stuff`
`20:00.02`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper take a guess`
`20:00.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221?`
`20:00.18`	`Patlabor221`	`wow first try too`
`20:00.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`20:00.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You never posted in the "Hey everybody" thread?`
`20:01.02`	`Patlabor221`	`why should I?`
`20:01.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`20:01.10`	`Patlabor221`	`it's called a munchkin trap`
`20:01.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`20:01.32`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh they are gonna skin your ass raw on that forum`
`20:01.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`20:01.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I do not jest`
`20:01.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`20:02.06`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm time to go see if the real world is still there`
`20:02.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`blow a whole threw a wall?`
`20:02.35`	`Patlabor221`	`ummm no`
`20:02.44`	`Chestal`	`start bzflag?`
`20:02.44`	`Patlabor221`	`just go out and hang with the peeops`
`20:02.53`	`Chestal`	`going out i bad for you`
`20:02.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I am trying`
`20:02.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`20:02.57`	`Patlabor221`	`no I was thinking of going to the mall`
`20:03.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and Baja fresh`
`20:03.07`	`Chestal`	`you'll just lose money at the mall`
`20:03.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, see yu later then`
`20:03.14`	`Patlabor221`	`not allways`
`20:03.18`	`Patlabor221`	`sometimes I make money`
`20:03.25`	`Chestal`	`hmm, how so?`
`20:03.32`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a secret :)`
`20:03.37`	`Patlabor221`	`that and game tradins`
`20:04.00`	`Chestal`	`malls are closed here anyway`
`20:04.09`	`Patlabor221`	`well yeah it is late there`
`20:04.15`	`Patlabor221`	`just 13:04 here`
`20:04.31`	`Chestal`	`they close at 16:00 here on Saturdays`
`20:04.44`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm that is early`
`20:04.55`	`Chestal`	`will change soon, they'll be alowed to have opened until 20:00 in a month`
`20:05.10`	`Patlabor221`	`closes at 19:00 today and 16:00 tomorow`
`20:05.22`	`Patlabor221`	`21:00 on weeknights`
`20:05.32`	`Chestal`	`20:00 weekdays, all closed on Sundays`
`20:05.38`	`larsl`	`Allowed?`
`20:05.40`	`Patlabor221`	`wow`
`20:05.55`	`Chestal`	`some smaller shops close earlier`
`20:06.05`	`Patlabor221`	`well that must cut down on trafic earlyer`
`20:06.17`	`Chestal`	`I usually shop just before they close`
`20:06.34`	`Patlabor221`	`well have fun everyone`
`20:21.56`	`*** join/#bzflag Gorb (~gorb@pD9E5003F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:21.59`	`Gorb`	`lo`
`20:22.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hallo`
`20:22.06`	`michaelh2`	`lo lo`
`20:22.09`	`michaelh2`	`j lo`
`20:22.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`20:43.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, I'm taking my computer over to my friends house. See yu in a little bit`
`21:04.53`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`21:05.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone know why my computer loads Java applets so poorly?`
`21:05.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And if it's like RuneScape, it always drops it's connection`
`21:06.33`	`captain_proton`	`haunted?`
`21:06.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Spooked?`
`21:06.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Enchanted?`
`21:07.01`	`michaelh2`	`RunScape?`
`21:07.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.runescape.com`
`21:07.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Online RPG`
`21:07.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Good game.`
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`21:12.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`21:13.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Back`
`21:53.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-110.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`21:56.07`	`captain_proton`	`hiya Patlabor221`
`21:56.18`	`Patlabor221`	`sup`
`21:56.23`	`Patlabor221`	`guess what`
`21:56.51`	`captain_proton`	`um...you decided that you've really been a woman your entire life and the operation is scheduled for thursday?`
`21:56.52`	`Patlabor221`	`real world is still out there`
`21:56.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ummm no`
`21:57.00`	`captain_proton`	`damn, got it wrong`
`21:57.05`	`Patlabor221`	`sadly`
`21:58.16`	`Patlabor221`	`hello linux macine, welcome back to life`
`22:01.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I need another 19" monitor`
`22:02.20`	`captain_proton`	`i need another 21" monitor`
`22:03.09`	`Patlabor221`	`well that would be optimal`
`22:03.15`	`Patlabor221`	`nice 21 swicher`
`22:03.59`	`captain_proton`	`wait - don't you use P1110s on your main system?`
`22:04.00`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmmm there is a sony 21 that I could yonk swap`
`22:04.07`	`captain_proton`	`why not just wire them up to the second inputs?`
`22:04.14`	`Patlabor221`	`at work`
`22:04.15`	`Patlabor221`	`not here`
`22:04.23`	`captain_proton`	`ohh`
`22:04.36`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I have one of the black dell monitors here`
`22:04.40`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder if its the same`
`22:04.53`	`captain_proton`	`if its a 21er, almost certainly has dual input`
`22:05.04`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a 19 here`
`22:05.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I have the sony 21 at the other office`
`22:05.50`	`Patlabor221`	`the linux macine is just on a Nanao F2-17 and that seems kinda sad`
`22:05.56`	`captain_proton`	`yeah`
`22:06.21`	`Patlabor221`	`or I could get a usb KVM`
`22:07.48`	`Patlabor221`	`there is a Nanao F2-21 here, but it's got a flakey power supply I think`
`22:07.57`	`Patlabor221`	`blinks when it's on`
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