| 00:00.21 | Patlabor221 | I don't think they do, they are just REALY freakin busy |
| 00:00.26 | Patlabor221 | they host a lot of stuff |
| 00:00.34 | Patlabor221 | and it seems to go down a lot |
| 00:01.58 | michaelh2 | Does vc++ allow a person to create windows on the fly and add components to them like Java? Doesn't seem like it |
| 00:02.22 | Patlabor221 | C++ dosn't do any type of windowing system |
| 00:02.31 | Patlabor221 | the WIn 32 API does allow that |
| 00:02.34 | Patlabor221 | so does MFC |
| 00:02.44 | Patlabor221 | CreateWindow() |
| 00:03.14 | michaelh2 | But then you have to put doohickys on them to do anything :) |
| 00:03.22 | Patlabor221 | huh? |
| 00:03.31 | michaelh2 | controls? |
| 00:03.39 | Patlabor221 | controlls are just window types |
| 00:03.52 | michaelh2 | So you create those as windows too i suppose? |
| 00:03.57 | Patlabor221 | MFC has a dervied classes for all the common controlls |
| 00:03.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:04.04 | Patlabor221 | or read them from a resource script |
| 00:04.08 | Patlabor221 | or both |
| 00:04.11 | Patlabor221 | your call |
| 00:04.19 | Patlabor221 | CreateDialog() |
| 00:04.33 | michaelh2 | So how would get them onto or into a window? |
| 00:04.43 | Patlabor221 | make the window there parent |
| 00:04.51 | Patlabor221 | every window can have a parent |
| 00:05.00 | Patlabor221 | could put a button in a button if you realy wanted to |
| 00:05.13 | michaelh2 | ah so -- I need to read that huge book I have over in the corner :) |
| 00:05.14 | Patlabor221 | BZedit goes like 4 levels deep I think |
| 00:05.28 | Patlabor221 | or just look at some samples |
| 00:05.32 | Patlabor221 | dialog work isn't hard |
| 00:05.46 | Patlabor221 | expecialy if it's predefined dialgos |
| 00:05.53 | michaelh2 | Well certainly not with VC++ -- what you are talking about |
| 00:05.53 | Patlabor221 | then you just make them in the dialog editor |
| 00:05.55 | Patlabor221 | and call them up |
| 00:06.06 | michaelh2 | me knows that -- I was think of "on the fly" |
| 00:06.24 | Patlabor221 | it's just calls to CreateWindow |
| 00:06.40 | Patlabor221 | I have dialogs that adjust on the fly |
| 00:06.50 | michaelh2 | and actually to do it with real windows instead of dialogs -- you can pre-do dialogs with the resource editor |
| 00:06.51 | Patlabor221 | the edit dialogs in BZedit do that |
| 00:06.55 | michaelh2 | but windows? |
| 00:07.03 | Patlabor221 | dialogs are windows |
| 00:07.07 | Patlabor221 | just with a gray background |
| 00:07.16 | Patlabor221 | it's all derived from the same class |
| 00:07.29 | Patlabor221 | any window class can be a parent for any other window class |
| 00:08.06 | michaelh2 | So it takes the position as relative to the parent when it draws? |
| 00:08.09 | Patlabor221 | a text editor, is just an edit controll inside a resizeable base windo |
| 00:08.18 | Patlabor221 | yes, if' it's set to WM_CHILD |
| 00:09.04 | michaelh2 | so is bzedit MFC or is it the api based? |
| 00:09.16 | michaelh2 | or both? |
| 00:09.21 | Patlabor221 | there are also some create fucntons for common controlls |
| 00:09.27 | Patlabor221 | it's based on MFC |
| 00:09.34 | Patlabor221 | but I do some of my own API stuff in it |
| 00:09.43 | Patlabor221 | MFC is just writen on top of the win32 API |
| 00:09.50 | Patlabor221 | basicly just a wraper and framework |
| 00:09.53 | michaelh2 | yes that I understand |
| 00:10.06 | michaelh2 | wish their tab control was a bit freaking easier to use |
| 00:10.20 | Patlabor221 | property pages |
| 00:10.27 | Patlabor221 | in MFC they are not to bad |
| 00:10.42 | Patlabor221 | you just make a derived CDialog for each page |
| 00:10.51 | Patlabor221 | and the base class will take care of the rest. |
| 00:11.04 | michaelh2 | I love the activex tab control -- just drag and drop the controls onto the right pages |
| 00:11.59 | Patlabor221 | in MFC you just make a resource template for each page with the editor |
| 00:12.46 | Patlabor221 | you want to look at the fucntion CreateWindowEx |
| 00:13.27 | Patlabor221 | and send it ether BUTTON, COMBOBOX, EDIT,LISTBOX, MDICLIENT, RichEdit, SCROLLBAR or STATIC |
| 00:14.15 | Patlabor221 | and give it your window as it's hWndParent. |
| 00:16.21 | Patlabor221 | I think you can imbed activeX and OCX controlls in a MFC dialog as well |
| 00:16.41 | Patlabor221 | There is a lot of options |
| 00:17.05 | Patlabor221 | and it has to be doable in C, that the java run time stuff just calls the normal windows API |
| 00:18.04 | michaelh2 | for sure... but java looks nicer in code :) |
| 00:18.51 | michaelh2 | even if it is slow as crud in some cases |
| 00:18.57 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 00:19.11 | Patlabor221 | but you can bury stuff like that into something you code onece |
| 00:19.27 | Patlabor221 | MFC is not bad for prototyping things I feel |
| 00:19.29 | michaelh2 | Or steal it off the internet :) |
| 00:19.34 | Patlabor221 | don't like it for larger apps |
| 00:19.45 | Patlabor221 | or when you want to customise the hell out a it. |
| 00:20.17 | Patlabor221 | bzedit needs to be redone with out MFC realy, it no longer needs it |
| 00:20.38 | Patlabor221 | only using the doc class for it's recently used files part. |
| 00:20.52 | Patlabor221 | well time to go mow a lawn |
| 00:20.56 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 00:21.02 | michaelh2 | enjoy |
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| 03:20.39 | bh | hey!, ho!, let's go! |
| 03:20.55 | bh | hi Chestal |
| 03:23.52 | bh | anyone alive? |
| 03:23.56 | jraitala | hello |
| 03:24.00 | bh | hi |
| 03:25.14 | bh | dinner time |
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| 05:08.31 | Patlabor221 | that movie SUCKED |
| 05:11.29 | Patlabor221 | that movie sucked soo bad, I feen a need to fix it. |
| 05:22.47 | captain_proton | what movie? |
| 05:22.55 | Patlabor221 | Bulletproof monk |
| 05:23.00 | captain_proton | ew |
| 05:23.16 | Patlabor221 | directors should not be allowed to make there first movie alone |
| 05:23.30 | captain_proton | heh |
| 05:23.37 | Patlabor221 | they actualy had a good writer |
| 05:23.44 | Patlabor221 | the dialog was decent in some parts |
| 05:23.49 | Patlabor221 | the actors were decent |
| 05:23.58 | Patlabor221 | the production designe was decent. |
| 05:24.06 | Patlabor221 | the stunt cordinator was decent |
| 05:24.28 | Patlabor221 | but the man did not know a shit about filiming action or how to tell a story |
| 05:24.38 | Patlabor221 | we want the raw footage so we can fix it. |
| 05:25.53 | Patlabor221 | we came up with a better story on the ride home |
| 05:46.20 | captain_proton | y the/win 4 |
| 05:46.23 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 05:48.07 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 05:50.20 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
| 05:50.45 | Patlabor221 | so can you watch a divix on the machine your on? |
| 05:51.01 | captain_proton | not this one |
| 05:51.07 | captain_proton | but i can on lurgyman's |
| 05:51.39 | Patlabor221 | you must see these shorts when you get to that machine |
| 05:52.20 | captain_proton | um...ok |
| 05:52.52 | Patlabor221 | completely filmed in halo |
| 05:52.59 | captain_proton | hah |
| 05:53.04 | Patlabor221 | in game using the console and release software |
| 05:55.15 | Patlabor221 | has the line "women are like voltron man.. the more you hook up ... the better it is.." |
| 05:55.46 | captain_proton | hahaha |
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| 12:33.30 | benz007 | my computer and vga card are old. Anything I can do to make bzflag run faster ? |
| 12:36.28 | Chestal | I assume you already played with the options in the menu? |
| 12:36.35 | Chestal | no textures etc.? |
| 12:36.46 | Chestal | other obvious adive:use a lower resolution |
| 12:36.57 | Chestal | a lower colour depth can also help, I'm using 8 bit |
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| 13:34.16 | Sniper50 | ~seen widget |
| 13:34.20 | | widget <~me@12-240-76-157.client.attbi.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 39d 4h 12m 36s ago, saying: 'hihihi'. |
| 14:18.29 | doughecka | yuoo leefe-a in svedee? thets pretty neet. Bork Bork Bork! |
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| 17:11.38 | doughecka | lo |
| 17:11.45 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 17:12.09 | doughecka | nothin |
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| 17:51.40 | Patlabor221 | there we go, some board forum cleanups |
| 17:51.46 | Patlabor221 | and a new section :) |
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| 18:41.10 | doughecka | ~test |
| 18:41.10 | | Passed |
| 18:41.13 | doughecka | huh |
| 18:41.18 | doughecka | internet is down |
| 18:46.40 | doughecka | the web part is |
| 18:46.44 | doughecka | the IRC and email still works |
| 18:46.53 | doughecka | but I can get to my ISPs web page |
| 18:47.00 | doughecka | but no place else |
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| 18:48.02 | doughecka | captain_proton: puter works now? |
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| 18:57.09 | doughecka | greetings |
| 18:58.14 | Hamster_afk | wb |
| 18:58.31 | doughecka | wb? |
| 18:58.57 | Secret_Hamster | <-- doughecka has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 18:58.57 | Secret_Hamster | --> doughecka (WOZNIAK@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net) has joined #bzfla |
| 18:59.04 | doughecka | ah |
| 18:59.09 | doughecka | :) |
| 18:59.42 | doughecka | [14:57] <doughecka> greetings --> is an auto thing |
| 18:59.48 | Secret_Hamster | ahh |
| 19:00.29 | Secret_Hamster | PS sounds like your ISP runs a transparent proxy. I could do everything 'cept WWW once. turns out someone switched it off |
| 19:00.45 | Secret_Hamster | Was very annoying for 24hrs |
| 19:00.47 | doughecka | a proxy eh? |
| 19:00.56 | doughecka | I have dsl |
| 19:01.09 | Secret_Hamster | I have cable |
| 19:01.13 | doughecka | huh |
| 19:01.14 | doughecka | interesting |
| 19:01.37 | Secret_Hamster | yea I did frequently |
| 19:01.38 | doughecka | Noodleman should go strait them out |
| 19:02.04 | Secret_Hamster | however they improved when they stopped fiddling around with things |
| 19:02.12 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:02.26 | doughecka | "I wonder what this option is...." |
| 19:02.30 | doughecka | "oops" |
| 19:02.43 | Secret_Hamster | Probably made all there tier 3 engineers. They usually like fiddling with the network to improve it and add services |
| 19:02.44 | doughecka | "how do I get back into there to change it back?" |
| 19:02.58 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:03.12 | Secret_Hamster | I know about these things. |
| 19:03.28 | doughecka | oh? |
| 19:03.30 | Secret_Hamster | been there, did it yesterday, bought the teeshirt |
| 19:04.09 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:04.13 | Secret_Hamster | "whoops now how do I reconnect to a part of the network that I've just remotely disconnect from the rest of it" |
| 19:04.25 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: exactly |
| 19:04.44 | doughecka | "oops, I did a remote shutdown on the router..." |
| 19:05.04 | Secret_Hamster | yea, it's great fun |
| 19:05.21 | Secret_Hamster | brb |
| 19:05.30 | doughecka | "hmm, I thought I pushed reboot, not shutdown.." |
| 19:05.52 | doughecka | "I forgot -r" |
| 19:09.47 | Secret_Hamster | "Now what was the local number for the site?" |
| 19:10.22 | doughecka | I want a teeshirt that says "Oops." |
| 19:11.09 | Secret_Hamster | ever tried to talk local "engineers" about restarting a router/server. They seem to think it's like lauching the space shuttle |
| 19:11.30 | doughecka | haha |
| 19:11.50 | doughecka | "Just type restart" |
| 19:11.56 | doughecka | "umm, why" |
| 19:12.00 | doughecka | "Do it" |
| 19:12.19 | doughecka | "what for?" |
| 19:12.33 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:12.52 | Secret_Hamster | "for god sake just press the god damn button!!!!!!" |
| 19:13.40 | doughecka | "what button?" |
| 19:15.36 | doughecka | ARC = Advanced RISC Computing |
| 19:15.56 | doughecka | RISC = reduced intruction set computing |
| 19:16.13 | doughecka | ARC = Advanced reduced intruction set computing Computing |
| 19:16.27 | doughecka | enginneers |
| 19:18.01 | Secret_Hamster | ahh we love our TLAs |
| 19:18.32 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:19.05 | doughecka | ~dict TLA |
| 19:19.07 | doughecka | ~TLA |
| 19:20.04 | larsl | ~TLA is Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:20.05 | | larsl: okay |
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| 19:20.55 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict etla |
| 19:20.55 | Noodlebot | i don't know what dict etla is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:21.46 | Secret_Hamster | ~ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:21.47 | | Secret_Hamster: okay |
| 19:21.47 | Noodlebot | i don't know what ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:22.02 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict etla |
| 19:22.02 | Noodlebot | i don't know what dict etla is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:22.13 | Secret_Hamster | hum case sensitive |
| 19:22.17 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict ETLA |
| 19:22.17 | Noodlebot | i don't know what dict ETLA is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:22.31 | Secret_Hamster | okay wont learn from me |
| 19:22.49 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict ~ETLA |
| 19:22.49 | Noodlebot | i don't know what dict ~ETLA is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:22.57 | Secret_Hamster | ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:23.08 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:23.09 | Noodlebot | i don't know what dict ETLA is Extended Three Letter Acronym is, Secret_Hamster |
| 19:23.15 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 19:23.19 | Secret_Hamster | oh well |
| 19:23.51 | larsl | ~ETLA |
| 19:23.55 | | extra, extra, read all about it, etla is Extended Three Letter Acronym |
| 19:23.55 | Noodlebot | i don't know what ETLA is, larsl |
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| 19:25.16 | doughecka | greetings |
| 19:25.28 | doughecka | hrm |
| 19:25.32 | doughecka | DSL drop? |
| 19:26.40 | Secret_Hamster | ahh now I see |
| 19:26.52 | Secret_Hamster | doughecka: I'd complain to your ISP |
| 19:26.56 | doughecka | I do |
| 19:26.58 | Secret_Hamster | you seem to drop alot |
| 19:27.00 | doughecka | lots of times |
| 19:27.11 | Secret_Hamster | oh well you should use cable |
| 19:27.14 | doughecka | I am out side the DSL limit |
| 19:27.20 | doughecka | :/ |
| 19:27.20 | Secret_Hamster | cable rulez adsl |
| 19:27.38 | doughecka | yea |
| 19:27.45 | Secret_Hamster | err, so if your outside how ca you get dsl? |
| 19:27.46 | doughecka | till all ur nieghbors get DSL... |
| 19:27.47 | doughecka | er |
| 19:27.48 | doughecka | cable |
| 19:28.06 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: well, I can still get dsl, its just unstable |
| 19:28.10 | Secret_Hamster | ahh |
| 19:28.30 | Secret_Hamster | luckily all the people round here are poor. noone can afford it |
| 19:28.34 | Secret_Hamster | cable I mean |
| 19:28.42 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:28.46 | Secret_Hamster | but you can't get adsl here at all |
| 19:28.48 | doughecka | sorta the same around ere |
| 19:28.53 | doughecka | most people dont have puters |
| 19:29.07 | doughecka | only the cows and I |
| 19:29.17 | Secret_Hamster | yea same here. I only have it as it's my trade |
| 19:29.22 | Secret_Hamster | plus I do it on the cheap |
| 19:29.29 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:29.36 | Secret_Hamster | run a Duron 850 and two P166s |
| 19:29.53 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:30.13 | doughecka | but I am running mighty low on ram |
| 19:30.28 | Secret_Hamster | I'm running 256M plenty for me |
| 19:30.34 | doughecka | hah |
| 19:30.42 | Secret_Hamster | 128M and 96M on the P166s |
| 19:30.54 | doughecka | 256 aint enuf for runnin XP on vmware |
| 19:31.29 | Secret_Hamster | well I have no need for windoze at all |
| 19:31.57 | Secret_Hamster | of my 256 at pres more than 50% is a cache or buffer |
| 19:32.07 | doughecka | wow |
| 19:32.23 | Secret_Hamster | so really I only need 128M |
| 19:32.34 | doughecka | 128 meg O ram |
| 19:33.06 | doughecka | and a 133 laptop... 32 megs of ram, use it for a serial terminal |
| 19:33.06 | Secret_Hamster | yea well I can't afford windoze stuff to even attempt an MCSA |
| 19:33.06 | Secret_Hamster | yea well I can't afford windoze stuff to even attempt an MCSE |
| 19:33.17 | doughecka | there is both :) |
| 19:33.20 | Secret_Hamster | I'd love a laptop. any laptop |
| 19:33.25 | doughecka | MCSA and a MCSE |
| 19:33.37 | doughecka | + my 200 mhz zaurus PDA... |
| 19:33.37 | Secret_Hamster | so what's an MCSA? |
| 19:33.50 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: MCSE is a MCSA wannabe :P |
| 19:33.53 | Secret_Hamster | nice. I'd love a zaurus too |
| 19:34.07 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: cept the Z is broken |
| 19:34.14 | doughecka | have to wait for some memory for it |
| 19:34.19 | doughecka | so I can reflash it |
| 19:34.34 | Secret_Hamster | huh, I just can't afford anything like that at all |
| 19:34.46 | doughecka | hah |
| 19:34.50 | doughecka | I cant either |
| 19:34.55 | Secret_Hamster | in fact I can't afford a £30 book to teach myself php |
| 19:35.05 | doughecka | I just sell free stuff people give me, and get cool stuff with that |
| 19:35.11 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: ouch |
| 19:35.23 | doughecka | I mean, who needs a book to learn php? ;) |
| 19:35.25 | Secret_Hamster | I get no free stuff. only half dead plants |
| 19:35.32 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:35.57 | Secret_Hamster | well I need a starting point. then I imagine I can pick up the rest |
| 19:36.37 | Secret_Hamster | I'm not a programmer or web-coder by either teaching or profession. so I need to learn from something |
| 19:36.54 | doughecka | yay, last chapter of Microsoft XP pro study guide |
| 19:37.58 | Secret_Hamster | I code. mainly for fun. writing a bot based on perlbot with mysql addon (written by yours truly) |
| 19:38.20 | doughecka | lol |
| 19:38.35 | Secret_Hamster | I also want to learn cgi/perl and php better and try to make some money that way |
| 19:39.03 | Secret_Hamster | pushing half dead flowers around is rather boring me senseless at the moment |
| 19:39.38 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:39.44 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:50.40 | *** join/#bzflag Gorb (~gorb@pD95907C8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:50.42 | Gorb | lo |
| 19:51.06 | Gorb | is Daytona USA for free (the PC version)? |
| 19:51.18 | doughecka | whats that? |
| 19:51.37 | Gorb | did you tried mario tennis the game is fun :) |
| 19:51.49 | doughecka | no. |
| 19:51.54 | Gorb | Daytoan is the coolest racing sim i ever played |
| 19:52.20 | doughecka | its old |
| 19:52.32 | Gorb | the best arcade games (sims) are all from sega's arcade team |
| 19:52.39 | Gorb | the y make the best games |
| 19:52.43 | doughecka | hardly |
| 19:52.53 | doughecka | try need for speed |
| 19:52.55 | doughecka | porsche |
| 19:53.05 | Gorb | like virtua cop, virtua fighter, daytona, sega rally |
| 19:53.45 | doughecka | Gorb: welcome to the 90s! |
| 19:53.49 | Gorb | need for speed cannot compete with daytona considering gameplay |
| 19:54.07 | doughecka | oh? |
| 19:54.23 | Gorb | yep |
| 19:55.07 | Secret_Hamster | I loved Driver. Actually being able to drive arond. rather than stuck on a track |
| 19:55.24 | doughecka | Secret_Hamster: try midtown madness :) |
| 19:55.31 | doughecka | its MUCH better |
| 19:56.05 | Secret_Hamster | Never seen it. website? |
| 19:56.21 | doughecka | microsoft |
| 19:56.24 | doughecka | :P |
| 19:56.30 | doughecka | but, its still greay |
| 19:56.33 | doughecka | great |
| 19:56.36 | doughecka | smashing cars |
| 19:56.44 | rooter | ~ducati6 |
| 19:56.44 | doughecka | CTF in city busses |
| 19:56.44 | Noodlebot | i don't know what ducati6 is, rooter |
| 19:56.51 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 19:56.51 | Noodlebot | i don't know what ducatictf is, rooter |
| 19:56.52 | Chestal | my god, it's full of macros |
| 19:56.55 | doughecka | ? |
| 19:56.55 | Noodlebot | i don't know what is, doughecka |
| 19:57.00 | doughecka | ?? |
| 19:57.00 | Noodlebot | i don't know what ? is, doughecka |
| 19:57.04 | Gorb | gtg |
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| 19:57.12 | rooter | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:57.14 | doughecka | huh |
| 19:57.27 | rooter | i think it is too full |
| 19:57.38 | doughecka | heh |
| 19:57.49 | rooter | oh well |
| 19:58.23 | rooter | oh... I played bzflag on a tablet PC last night |
| 19:58.30 | doughecka | HAHAHA |
| 19:58.31 | doughecka | how? |
| 19:58.38 | rooter | no keyboard, no mouse, no wires |
| 19:58.49 | rooter | well... i used the stylus as the mouse |
| 19:58.57 | doughecka | uh huh |
| 19:58.59 | doughecka | shooting? |
| 19:59.05 | rooter | ...and i doubleclicked to shoot |
| 19:59.12 | rooter | well... double tapped |
| 19:59.15 | doughecka | ugh |
| 19:59.16 | doughecka | :) |
| 19:59.17 | rooter | it wasn't easy |
| 19:59.20 | doughecka | jump? |
| 19:59.25 | rooter | i was on ducati |
| 19:59.29 | rooter | so.. no |
| 19:59.31 | doughecka | ah |
| 19:59.53 | rooter | even with the wireless connection i had around 115 lag |
| 19:59.57 | Secret_Hamster | hum midtown madness is still a racing game. prefer something more like driver. actually driver is it |
| 20:00.02 | Secret_Hamster | shame driver 2 was PS only |
| 20:00.12 | doughecka | ? |
| 20:00.21 | rooter | I'll take pictures soon and post them |
| 20:00.24 | doughecka | midtown madness allows cruising |
| 20:00.30 | doughecka | rooter: cool |
| 20:00.53 | rooter | i was playing on my hammock :) |
| 20:01.07 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:01.31 | doughecka | midtown madness I got off kazaa |
| 20:01.37 | doughecka | btw |
| 20:01.37 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:01.39 | rooter | i might put a usb mouse on it. |
| 20:01.47 | doughecka | no MS tax |
| 20:01.53 | doughecka | rooter: whered you get it? |
| 20:01.54 | rooter | i wish you could use the wheel for the radar zoom |
| 20:02.03 | rooter | work... i'm just demoing it now. |
| 20:02.11 | rooter | to see if we want to buy more |
| 20:02.17 | doughecka | rooter: or better yet, Real zoom :) |
| 20:02.20 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:02.21 | rooter | oooh |
| 20:02.29 | doughecka | rooter: patches welcome |
| 20:02.37 | rooter | that would be cool... like quake |
| 20:02.42 | doughecka | yea |
| 20:02.50 | rooter | yeah... i need to learn openGL |
| 20:03.01 | Patlabor221 | GL is a simple API |
| 20:03.09 | rooter | i haven't looked |
| 20:03.26 | Patlabor221 | just adjust the FOV to get zoom |
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| 20:03.33 | rooter | cool... maybe i'll play with it soon |
| 20:03.46 | rooter | i have only glanced at the source for bz |
| 20:03.55 | doughecka | oooh |
| 20:04.00 | doughecka | is it really posible? |
| 20:04.07 | michaelh2 | it's fun too.. since there are few if any comments .. self-learning |
| 20:04.09 | rooter | back to ducati :) |
| 20:04.15 | doughecka | would be cool to have 360 view :) |
| 20:04.30 | doughecka | ST BEWARE! |
| 20:04.32 | michaelh2 | if you were an insect |
| 20:04.37 | Patlabor221 | and the code is horibly done. |
| 20:04.53 | michaelh2 | well .. in parts .. |
| 20:04.59 | doughecka | lol |
| 20:05.03 | Patlabor221 | most of them :) |
| 20:05.16 | michaelh2 | you mean the #ifdef swamp? |
| 20:05.25 | doughecka | global.h is OK :) |
| 20:05.50 | michaelh2 | or how about returning null in place of a std::string? |
| 20:06.09 | Patlabor221 | I mean like the fact that texture loading for shots happens in a global section of the shot strat class |
| 20:06.20 | Patlabor221 | in a method that dosn't even do any thing with the class |
| 20:06.27 | Patlabor221 | the entire platfrom method |
| 20:06.32 | Patlabor221 | all media handaling |
| 20:06.34 | Patlabor221 | the GL state stuff |
| 20:06.44 | Patlabor221 | high level things |
| 20:06.55 | michaelh2 | You mean not well organized/ Sniff |
| 20:07.15 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 20:07.25 | Patlabor221 | not just orginisation |
| 20:07.31 | Patlabor221 | the algorythms used for many things |
| 20:07.39 | Patlabor221 | the world database for instance |
| 20:07.42 | michaelh2 | still .. it works :) |
| 20:07.47 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 20:07.57 | Patlabor221 | but it's slow as hell for many thing |
| 20:08.14 | michaelh2 | perhaps like the 0(N^3) sorting algorithm in the servermenu ? |
| 20:08.40 | michaelh2 | bubble sort * n .... |
| 20:09.06 | Patlabor221 | the fact that every world object is tested against the frustum would be a worse thing |
| 20:09.25 | Patlabor221 | the server menu is not a per frame thing. |
| 20:09.48 | doughecka | Patlabor221: patches welcome |
| 20:09.49 | michaelh2 | Is that for hidden surface removal then |
| 20:09.51 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 20:10.02 | Chestal | at least bzflag performs somewhat acceptably with software renderers |
| 20:10.03 | michaelh2 | To see if stuff is visible? |
| 20:10.33 | michaelh2 | not on my system it doesn't :) I suppose with a speedy computer & software rendering? |
| 20:10.43 | Chestal | well, define speedy |
| 20:11.01 | Chestal | I got a dual P3-500, not that it can really make that much use of the 2nd processor |
| 20:11.02 | michaelh2 | not sure .. but I'm on a PII 450 windows ..... |
| 20:11.13 | Patlabor221 | wow slow machines |
| 20:11.18 | Chestal | but compare it to most other GL games |
| 20:11.24 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't take spacal divisions into account |
| 20:11.27 | doughecka | speedy on linux of corse |
| 20:11.28 | Chestal | those cannot possibly be run on any software renderer |
| 20:11.40 | Patlabor221 | the more objects added increase sort time liniarly |
| 20:11.46 | Chestal | if you want to get more than 1 fps that is |
| 20:11.46 | Patlabor221 | for each frame |
| 20:11.49 | Patlabor221 | that's my point. |
| 20:12.09 | Chestal | guess it coudl become a bottleneck with many objects and a fast 3D hardware |
| 20:12.21 | Chestal | doesn't really affect me with software renderign I guess |
| 20:12.23 | Patlabor221 | it's the bootle neck for everyone with a modern card |
| 20:12.35 | michaelh2 | So some of the code is there to take care of stuff that hardware takes care of right? |
| 20:12.38 | Chestal | my bottleneck is the actual rendering, drawing |
| 20:12.43 | Patlabor221 | and it would make larger maps run better for you even in software |
| 20:12.46 | michaelh2 | like zbuffer.. etc |
| 20:13.02 | Patlabor221 | micah no, it's the world cull |
| 20:13.05 | Patlabor221 | not the face cull |
| 20:13.13 | Patlabor221 | when people write there names in boxes |
| 20:13.19 | Patlabor221 | each box is tested against the frustum |
| 20:13.29 | Patlabor221 | instead of like a large box for the entire name |
| 20:13.34 | Patlabor221 | there is no "easy out" |
| 20:13.56 | michaelh2 | and the frustrum is the "camera view" ? |
| 20:14.04 | Patlabor221 | so if you have say 25 boxes that are on the other side of the map, you test them every frame |
| 20:14.18 | Patlabor221 | yes the frustum is the visible area |
| 20:14.24 | Patlabor221 | this is all Pre GL |
| 20:14.25 | Noodleman | m00 |
| 20:14.32 | Patlabor221 | so it slows down hardware and software |
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| 20:14.46 | doughecka | insult Noodlebot |
| 20:14.46 | Noodlebot | hast thou never an eye in thine head, Noodlebot? |
| 20:14.47 | michaelh2 | so in GL.. don't you just draw everything basically? |
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| 20:15.10 | michaelh2 | and hardware takes out unneeded stuff? |
| 20:15.20 | michaelh2 | n?? |
| 20:15.20 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 20:15.37 | Patlabor221 | the hard ware will try to draw everything you send it |
| 20:15.47 | Patlabor221 | but it will be culled out at a pixel level |
| 20:15.53 | Patlabor221 | not an "object" level |
| 20:16.06 | Patlabor221 | some implementations may cull at a triangle level |
| 20:16.12 | michaelh2 | and you are saying this is the way it should be done.. basically? |
| 20:16.29 | michaelh2 | (GL newbie here) |
| 20:16.35 | Patlabor221 | if more complex maps are wanted, yes, there needs to be a better cull method |
| 20:16.51 | michaelh2 | more than (1) object at a time |
| 20:16.56 | michaelh2 | right |
| 20:17.02 | michaelh2 | ? |
| 20:17.14 | Patlabor221 | some sort of grouping to allow for multiple objects to be elimitated in a single test |
| 20:17.17 | Chestal | what's usually done? bounding boxes for groups of objects? |
| 20:17.25 | Chestal | ah |
| 20:17.27 | Patlabor221 | that's one way |
| 20:17.32 | Patlabor221 | or octrees |
| 20:17.34 | Patlabor221 | or BZPs |
| 20:17.37 | Patlabor221 | or portals |
| 20:17.43 | Patlabor221 | or nested cubes |
| 20:17.44 | michaelh2 | After all we love boxes in bzflag :) |
| 20:17.44 | Chestal | portals? |
| 20:17.47 | Patlabor221 | there are lots of methods |
| 20:17.53 | Patlabor221 | portals don't make sense for BZ |
| 20:18.01 | Patlabor221 | portals are good for interitors |
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| 20:18.15 | Chestal | where you can only see part of the world at a time? |
| 20:18.20 | doughecka | Noodleman: haaaa |
| 20:18.21 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:18.24 | Noodleman | ok, noodlebot should be a little more sane now |
| 20:18.28 | Chestal | that#s basically cheating :-) |
| 20:18.33 | larsl | I have interiors in the Glass Towers map. =) |
| 20:18.44 | Patlabor221 | there are ways to to make it work for externals |
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| 20:18.53 | Patlabor221 | basicly each area knows what is vidiable around it |
| 20:18.55 | doughecka | insult Noodleman |
| 20:18.55 | Noodlebot | Noodleman, thou loathed issue of thy father's loins! |
| 20:18.58 | Patlabor221 | and you walk the tree |
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| 20:19.15 | Patlabor221 | for BZ, nested bboxes would work |
| 20:19.20 | Patlabor221 | or even manual groups |
| 20:19.34 | Chestal | should be easy to do automatically I think |
| 20:19.38 | doughecka | Noodleman: lol |
| 20:19.56 | Chestal | hwo to handle moving objectss liek tanks, shots? |
| 20:20.49 | michaelh2 | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 20:21.21 | Chestal | one could always test their visibility one at a tiem of course |
| 20:21.36 | michaelh2 | 1-mississipi 2-missisippi 3-missisipii..... |
| 20:22.09 | michaelh2 | mother always said life was like a box of bz-shots |
| 20:22.29 | michaelh2 | <insert whitty comment here> |
| 20:22.45 | Patlabor221 | tanks and shots would not be part of the world cull |
| 20:23.00 | michaelh2 | so nothing that moves, basically? |
| 20:23.18 | Patlabor221 | there are soo few of them compared to map geometry, it would take posibly too much time to sort them |
| 20:23.33 | Patlabor221 | you could do a presort and keep what quadrant each mover is in, then do a quick out. |
| 20:23.41 | Patlabor221 | but with how fast they move it may not be worth it. |
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| 20:24.25 | michaelh2 | are iterators faster than for loops for something like stl vectors? |
| 20:24.53 | Patlabor221 | I don't think there is much of a performance difrence, but I think yes. |
| 20:24.54 | larsl | I don't think it matters. |
| 20:25.10 | Patlabor221 | a loop would have to hit the [] oper every time |
| 20:25.19 | Patlabor221 | and that may not be as fast as the ++ on the itr |
| 20:25.29 | Patlabor221 | since it's set up for random access. |
| 20:25.39 | doughecka | insult Noodleman |
| 20:25.39 | Noodlebot | thou hast not so much brain as earwax, Noodleman. |
| 20:25.40 | Patlabor221 | but why would you not want to use an ittr? |
| 20:25.52 | michaelh2 | laziness? |
| 20:25.58 | Noodleman | please try not to abuse the bot, doughecka |
| 20:26.06 | Noodleman | you'll get me banned |
| 20:26.07 | doughecka | Noodleman: :D |
| 20:26.08 | michaelh2 | insult asDA:DKL;sldfksfpsfsdpofsdf |
| 20:26.21 | Noodleman | it will only insult once every minute |
| 20:26.47 | michaelh2 | std::vector<std::string> actually contains strings right? Can one do the same with pointers? |
| 20:26.57 | michaelh2 | should one? |
| 20:27.14 | doughecka | Noodleman: when are ya moving? |
| 20:27.30 | michaelh2 | I think it puked when I tried to do it with pointers |
| 20:27.44 | Patlabor221 | you can put anthing you want in a vector |
| 20:27.48 | Patlabor221 | but if you do pointers |
| 20:27.56 | michaelh2 | have to delete of course |
| 20:27.56 | Patlabor221 | you need to call new for the objects you put in there |
| 20:28.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:28.04 | Patlabor221 | it won't new them for you |
| 20:28.12 | Noodleman | doughecka: as soon as the house is sold, and we get the money |
| 20:28.14 | Patlabor221 | your just keeping a list of pointers in the vector |
| 20:28.27 | Noodleman | doughecka: then the cross-country trek begins! |
| 20:28.31 | doughecka | Noodleman: the whole family? |
| 20:28.34 | Noodleman | yup |
| 20:28.47 | Patlabor221 | I use vectors of CBaseObject* s all over the place |
| 20:28.51 | doughecka | oh, I thought this was ur idea |
| 20:28.52 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:29.02 | Noodleman | haha |
| 20:29.11 | Noodleman | i wouldn't be moving if it were just me |
| 20:29.18 | doughecka | ah |
| 20:29.18 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:29.53 | michaelh2 | Think a new & pointer approach is better/ more efficient? |
| 20:30.16 | doughecka | Noodleman: you could work at infinite solutions |
| 20:30.22 | doughecka | here is louisville |
| 20:30.31 | Noodleman | what's that? |
| 20:30.41 | michaelh2 | I have a map<std::string, std::vector<std::string>> |
| 20:30.49 | doughecka | Noodleman: my summer job |
| 20:31.07 | Noodleman | what kind of business is it? |
| 20:31.10 | larsl | You could use a multimap instead. It probably doesn't matter though. |
| 20:31.34 | doughecka | Noodleman: hmm, good question |
| 20:31.44 | Noodleman | what do you do there? |
| 20:31.45 | doughecka | puter stuff |
| 20:31.55 | michaelh2 | I was mapping the name of a chunk of text against a name for the chunk |
| 20:32.06 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 20:32.09 | doughecka | I aint there yet, its a summer job, but when I do, I would do the grunt work |
| 20:32.11 | michaelh2 | people could do /readme /help /policies etc.. :) all the lame stuff |
| 20:32.16 | doughecka | aka sneaker net |
| 20:32.17 | Noodleman | ah |
| 20:32.23 | doughecka | setup winders on the boxen |
| 20:32.25 | michaelh2 | and you can link them to files |
| 20:32.46 | doughecka | Noodleman: but they are interested in linux |
| 20:32.53 | michaelh2 | *or* you can have a Csci B.A. and be handing people their videos on their way out the door .. like I might wind up |
| 20:33.12 | Noodleman | my boss would only use linux if he could |
| 20:33.13 | doughecka | CSCI? |
| 20:33.18 | michaelh2 | degree + no experience == ?? |
| 20:33.20 | Noodleman | he hates MS with a passion |
| 20:33.24 | doughecka | haha |
| 20:33.35 | Patlabor221 | maps of vectors work just fine |
| 20:33.42 | Patlabor221 | I use them with out problem |
| 20:34.00 | michaelh2 | VC++ complains about some funky decorated name thingee |
| 20:34.09 | doughecka | Noodleman: but, if you could get some certifaction... RHCE or somethin.. he might high ya |
| 20:34.11 | Patlabor221 | just remember you have to define a local < oper for the string, or a predicate, if it's to be the key in a map |
| 20:34.27 | Patlabor221 | it's a warning right? |
| 20:34.35 | michaelh2 | yes |
| 20:34.46 | michaelh2 | I just stuck it in a wrapper class |
| 20:35.01 | larsl | Don't strings have < operators already? |
| 20:35.10 | michaelh2 | I was thinking that too .. lars... |
| 20:35.38 | larsl | I've used a lot of map<string, string>, and I've never had to define operator<. |
| 20:35.52 | doughecka | Noodleman: but thats a very big might |
| 20:35.52 | doughecka | :) |
| 20:35.59 | Patlabor221 | it may depend on implementation |
| 20:36.01 | Patlabor221 | some don't |
| 20:36.12 | Patlabor221 | the warning is normal |
| 20:36.13 | Patlabor221 | it's lame |
| 20:36.20 | Patlabor221 | it's just cus of the browse info |
| 20:36.25 | Patlabor221 | you can disable it |
| 20:36.29 | michaelh2 | along with C4786 :) |
| 20:36.29 | Patlabor221 | with a #paragma |
| 20:36.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 20:36.50 | michaelh2 | hard to get rid of C4786 |
| 20:37.03 | michaelh2 | trying to figure out where to place the pragma |
| 20:37.09 | doughecka | C4 makes big booms |
| 20:37.41 | michaelh2 | so doug.. perhaps you can get me a job in the IT industry instead of fast food? |
| 20:37.43 | larsl | ~C4786 |
| 20:37.53 | michaelh2 | :) |
| 20:37.53 | larsl | ~dict C4786 |
| 20:38.02 | doughecka | michaelh2: un likely |
| 20:38.08 | michaelh2 | heh |
| 20:38.09 | Patlabor221 | I think VC7 fixes that warning since it has difrent browse info. |
| 20:39.06 | michaelh2 | It's a horrible thought to be waiting for kinkos to be calling you back ........ the horror |
| 20:39.38 | michaelh2 | must ........... net .......... workkkkkkkkkkkkk...... must pickkkkkk up phooooooooooonee |
| 20:40.22 | michaelh2 | ~DIE |
| 20:40.23 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 20:40.38 | michaelh2 | ~diet |
| 20:40.38 | | ACTION goes on a diet of botsnacks and beer. |
| 20:40.55 | michaelh2 | ~oil |
| 20:41.17 | michaelh2 | ~hal9000 |
| 20:41.40 | michaelh2 | ~index |
| 20:41.50 | michaelh2 | ~help |
| 20:42.39 | michaelh2 | ~spell fart |
| 20:42.40 | | 'fart' may be spelled correctly |
| 20:42.54 | michaelh2 | ~spell AS)D9s[fpgod[fgo'asd-0S(A_S)D(SDG:FGk;ldkg;lkasd'lodf)(_S)D(F_)(@_)#(_!@#$ |
| 20:43.10 | michaelh2 | ah ha |
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| 20:48.15 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmm, my DivX player won't play right |
| 20:48.30 | [STC]_creeperz | Jeff, do you have DivX? |
| 20:48.53 | doughecka | dont use the player |
| 20:48.56 | doughecka | use windows media |
| 20:49.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Won't play it |
| 20:49.16 | [STC]_creeperz | Or will it? |
| 20:49.19 | [STC]_creeperz | BRB |
| 20:49.19 | doughecka | also upgrade to the latest windows media player |
| 20:49.31 | [STC]_creeperz | I think I have it...but I'll re-check |
| 20:52.00 | doughecka | Patlabor221: whats the cheapest monitor upgrade work #2 has? |
| 20:53.44 | [STC]_creeperz | There a way to make it full screen? |
| 20:53.57 | doughecka | dunno |
| 20:56.52 | captain_proton | ]/win 4 |
| 20:57.35 | Noodleman | m00z0rZ, [STC]_creeperz |
| 20:58.16 | Noodleman | MOO MOO MOO! |
| 20:58.48 | Noodlebot | moo |
| 20:58.58 | doughecka | sheesh! |
| 20:58.59 | doughecka | :P |
| 20:59.22 | Noodleman | you had Noodlebot moo, didn't you? |
| 20:59.38 | Noodlebot | Noodleman: |
| 20:59.43 | doughecka | bleh |
| 20:59.51 | doughecka | a bug |
| 21:00.05 | Noodleman | i see in the logs that you did! |
| 21:00.08 | Noodleman | you lie! |
| 21:00.10 | Noodleman | haha! |
| 21:00.19 | doughecka | I dint say anything! |
| 21:00.19 | doughecka | :) |
| 21:00.35 | captain_proton | doodeedoo |
| 21:00.44 | doughecka | captain_proton: puter workin? |
| 21:00.51 | captain_proton | doughecka: no |
| 21:01.10 | captain_proton | supply should arrive middle of next week |
| 21:03.20 | [STC]_creeperz | Back |
| 21:03.35 | doughecka | captain_proton: huh |
| 21:04.21 | captain_proton | power supply |
| 21:04.33 | captain_proton | "the thingy that gives it electricity" |
| 21:04.36 | doughecka | why did the supply fry? |
| 21:04.46 | captain_proton | because i was overdrawing? |
| 21:05.07 | doughecka | icky |
| 21:06.13 | [STC]_creeperz | Hah! |
| 21:06.13 | Patlabor221 | told ya I could have sent you a loaner durron |
| 21:06.34 | [STC]_creeperz | DivX will play the sound ONLY while the show is playing |
| 21:06.45 | [STC]_creeperz | And it says it's not working properly |
| 21:06.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmm |
| 21:06.53 | Patlabor221 | you have the latest? |
| 21:06.58 | Patlabor221 | 5.0.4? |
| 21:07.02 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: loaner implies you'd want it back ;) |
| 21:07.10 | [STC]_creeperz | DivX? |
| 21:07.19 | [STC]_creeperz | Me, Patlabor221? |
| 21:07.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:07.37 | [STC]_creeperz | I have whateevr you told me to download the other day |
| 21:07.42 | [STC]_creeperz | whatever* |
| 21:07.50 | Patlabor221 | see if that is the latest |
| 21:07.54 | [STC]_creeperz | I didn't check versions. I just grabbed it |
| 21:08.41 | Patlabor221 | you may need to update your window media player too, for some of the audio codecs |
| 21:09.11 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh, Media Player works fine, but I can't get it full screen |
| 21:09.20 | [STC]_creeperz | I have to have it full screen ;-) |
| 21:09.39 | Patlabor221 | media player uses the divx codec for dixv encoded video streams |
| 21:10.29 | [STC]_creeperz | I think I have 2.1 |
| 21:10.31 | [STC]_creeperz | ?? |
| 21:10.41 | Patlabor221 | of windows media player |
| 21:10.43 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 21:10.46 | [STC]_creeperz | No |
| 21:10.53 | [STC]_creeperz | DivX |
| 21:11.00 | Patlabor221 | the current divx is 5.0.4 |
| 21:11.12 | [STC]_creeperz | And why is it that I always want to type DirvX? |
| 21:11.20 | captain_proton | isn't WMP up to version 8 or something? |
| 21:11.26 | doughecka | 9 |
| 21:11.37 | [STC]_creeperz | 9 already? |
| 21:11.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Oh well, I don't really like "WMP" |
| 21:12.14 | Patlabor221 | 9 |
| 21:12.24 | doughecka | 9@ |
| 21:12.32 | Patlabor221 | spoon |
| 21:13.04 | [STC]_creeperz | BRB |
| 21:15.35 | [STC]_creeperz | Back |
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| 21:15.58 | [STC]_creeperz | Oopz |
| 21:16.01 | [STC]_creeperz | Wrong program |
| 21:16.03 | Noodleman | WMP = WiMP! |
| 21:16.10 | [STC]_creeperz | Me? |
| 21:16.17 | Noodleman | no |
| 21:16.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Noooo |
| 21:16.27 | Noodleman | get it |
| 21:16.34 | Noodleman | WMP = WiMP |
| 21:16.39 | Noodleman | think about it :-) |
| 21:16.43 | [STC]_creeperz | P-please...Don't reject me! |
| 21:16.48 | [STC]_creeperz | :-) |
| 21:16.50 | [STC]_creeperz | Heh |
| 21:16.58 | [STC]_creeperz | What are you up to, Noodleman? |
| 21:17.17 | Noobleman | :-) |
| 21:17.46 | Noobleman | Heh |
| 21:17.52 | Noobleman | I was about to ghost yu :-) |
| 21:18.00 | dougheckaa | I know |
| 21:18.05 | Noobleman | LOL! |
| 21:18.15 | dougheckaa | I was watching the key sniffer |
| 21:19.13 | Noobleman | Key sniffer? |
| 21:19.44 | Noobleman | What's a key sniffer? |
| 21:20.16 | Noobleman | There have been more nick changes in the past 5 min then I've seen all day |
| 21:20.20 | dougheckaa | allows me to see everyhting you type |
| 21:20.25 | Noobleman | Of course I wasn't here all day |
| 21:20.29 | Noobleman | Really? |
| 21:20.32 | dougheckaa | yup |
| 21:20.51 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 21:20.52 | | shut up doug |
| 21:20.59 | Noobleman | Heh |
| 21:21.03 | Noodleman | ~rsud |
| 21:21.03 | | fuhg hc qbht |
| 21:21.12 | dougheckaa | Noodleman: ;) |
| 21:21.13 | Noobleman | Noodleman |
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| 21:22.25 | ak|ra | hi |
| 21:22.33 | Noobleman | Hey |
| 21:24.30 | dougheckaa | 99 cent mice |
| 21:24.37 | Noobleman | Heh, I love installers |
| 21:24.55 | Noobleman | Just doubleclick in 1 area and it's already done |
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| 21:26.23 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 21:26.30 | Noodleman | insult Noobleman |
| 21:26.30 | [STC]_creeperz | thy breath stinks with eating toasted cheese, Noobleman |
| 21:26.42 | dougheckaa | ooh, the worse kind |
| 21:26.59 | Noobleman | Who is me? |
| 21:27.07 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 21:27.36 | Noobleman | Noodlebot?! |
| 21:27.40 | Patlabor221 | ohh you soo mean |
| 21:28.18 | Noodleman | insult Noobleman |
| 21:28.18 | [STC]_creeperz | i never knew so young a body with so old a head, Noobleman. |
| 21:28.18 | Patlabor221 | what is everyones faciation with the "godzilla" flag? |
| 21:28.27 | captain_proton | hm |
| 21:28.28 | captain_proton | ? |
| 21:28.31 | Noobleman | Heh |
| 21:28.42 | Noobleman | ~insult [STC]_creeperz |
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| 21:30.33 | *** join/#bzflag ibot (ibot@208.186.182.172) |
| 21:30.33 | *** topic/#bzflag is Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May) | http://www.bezee.de/serverinfo.php Works for a temp solution (posted by creeperz) |
| 21:30.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o ibot] by ChanServ |
| 21:30.37 | Patlabor221 | I think it was Bagheera who sugested the godzilla thing |
| 21:30.38 | Noobleman | EEK! |
| 21:30.45 | Noobleman | Really? |
| 21:30.57 | Patlabor221 | no I'm making this crap up |
| 21:31.03 | Noobleman | I feel sorry for Godzilla |
| 21:31.13 | Noobleman | With the SARS epidemic so near by! |
| 21:31.49 | Noodleman | get your designer SARS mask today for only $19.95! don't wait! call now!! |
| 21:32.04 | Noobleman | Heh |
| 21:32.25 | Patlabor221 | sars is spread by touching poo man |
| 21:32.34 | Noobleman | "Slim and sheek" and "Sure to attract the opposite" might be taken into consideration for slogans |
| 21:32.45 | Noobleman | sex"* |
| 21:32.51 | Patlabor221 | that too |
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| 21:34.19 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: by the way, maybe i like touching poo, man |
| 21:34.32 | captain_proton | oh really |
| 21:34.33 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:34.45 | Patlabor221 | hey what ever floats your boat, but then you will get sars :) |
| 21:34.55 | Noodleman | this is a free country, and i can touch poo if i like, and nobody can stop me! |
| 21:34.56 | Noobleman | Poo can float! |
| 21:35.06 | Noobleman | Oh |
| 21:35.08 | Patlabor221 | I never siad you couldn't |
| 21:35.22 | Noobleman | Why did Tigger stick his head down the toilet? |
| 21:35.34 | Noobleman | Because he was looking for Pooh |
| 21:35.36 | Noodleman | i'm looking down, ppppppooh |
| 21:35.51 | Patlabor221 | soo the munchkin |
| 21:36.24 | Noobleman | Hello, me |
| 21:36.34 | [STC]_creeperz | freak |
| 21:36.41 | captain_proton | i need to get lurgyman to install scons :P |
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| 21:36.50 | Noodleman | what is scons? |
| 21:36.53 | Noobleman | Well this royally sucks |
| 21:37.09 | Patlabor221 | you divx enabled now cap? |
| 21:37.13 | captain_proton | Noodleman: "Software CONStruction" - its basically a make replacement |
| 21:37.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: nope |
| 21:37.18 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 21:37.24 | Noodleman | ah |
| 21:37.34 | captain_proton | and a damn sexy make replacement at that |
| 21:37.51 | Noobleman | lubes? |
| 21:38.08 | Noobleman | Oh, lubs |
| 21:38.14 | Patlabor221 | wookin po nub in aa da wong paces! |
| 21:38.36 | Noobleman | Oldies are classic |
| 21:38.36 | Noodleman | tuckerm@serv2:~$ csh |
| 21:38.37 | Noodleman | serv2:~> make fire |
| 21:38.37 | Noodleman | make: *** No rule to make target `fire'. Stop. |
| 21:38.37 | Noodleman | serv2:~> why? |
| 21:38.37 | Noodleman | why?: No match. |
| 21:38.51 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 21:39.04 | Noobleman | :-) |
| 21:39.24 | Noodleman | wery fuuny |
| 21:39.33 | Noobleman | What? |
| 21:39.37 | Noodleman | bork, bork, bork! |
| 21:39.45 | Noobleman | Cluck? |
| 21:40.14 | Noodleman | yoou needs too bee schmearter |
| 21:40.27 | Noobleman | Oh |
| 21:41.31 | Noobleman | \/\/ |-| /-\ 7 /-\ .- 3 9 0 |_|? |
| 21:41.34 | larsl | why?: Command not found. |
| 21:42.12 | Noodleman | larsl: you gotta use csh |
| 21:42.16 | Noodleman | bash won't work |
| 21:43.12 | Noobleman | Well, back to Trigun eps |
| 21:43.17 | Noobleman | Great show |
| 21:43.54 | Patlabor221 | (cough*) munchkin |
| 21:44.11 | Noodleman | is trigun some anime show or something? |
| 21:44.13 | Noobleman | "When it comes along, you must WinZIP it" |
| 21:44.16 | Noobleman | Yea |
| 21:44.21 | Noodleman | figures |
| 21:44.24 | Noodleman | :-P |
| 21:44.24 | dougheckaa | Noodlebot: yup |
| 21:44.31 | Noobleman | And that's part of the song I'm going to remake :-) |
| 21:44.50 | Noobleman | insult everyone |
| 21:44.50 | Noodlebot | everyone, thou idol of idiot-worshippers! |
| 21:45.28 | Noodleman | everyone is an idi8 |
| 21:45.34 | Noodleman | :-) |
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| 21:45.58 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 21:45.59 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: ho |
| 21:46.00 | captain_proton | iti8? |
| 21:46.03 | captain_proton | :P |
| 21:46.04 | Noodleman | idi8 |
| 21:46.07 | TimRiker | ho? |
| 21:46.14 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: hi hooooo |
| 21:46.18 | Noodleman | ho ho ho, meeeerrry chrismas |
| 21:46.24 | dougheckaa | captain_proton: woo, you got it! :) |
| 21:46.24 | TimRiker | hi de ho |
| 21:46.26 | Noodleman | ~spell chrismas |
| 21:46.28 | | possible spellings for chrismas: chrisms chrism's charisma's Christmas chrism as chrism-as |
| 21:46.29 | Patlabor221 | forsooth |
| 21:46.30 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 21:46.30 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: texan |
| 21:46.33 | Noobleman | The dairy-o? |
| 21:46.54 | ak|ra | hi tim |
| 21:47.04 | ak|ra | and gone |
| 21:47.04 | Noodleman | heeeeeeeeyyyyy tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiim!! |
| 21:47.42 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: gonna put out g2 or what ever it is |
| 21:47.59 | Noobleman | Heh, he said he would about 4 days ago :-) |
| 21:48.04 | Noodleman | G-2! G-2! G-2! G-2! |
| 21:48.05 | Noobleman | Or 6 |
| 21:48.13 | dougheckaa | 206 |
| 21:48.14 | Patlabor221 | I'd be more concerned about the GM kill yourself issue. |
| 21:48.15 | dougheckaa | 20006 |
| 21:50.25 | fiberchunks | lo |
| 21:50.38 | dougheckaa | fiberhunks! |
| 21:50.45 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 21:50.54 | fiberchunks | what is a noobleman? |
| 21:50.58 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 21:51.30 | Patlabor221 | a noob in the truest sense |
| 21:51.39 | TimRiker | 6? |
| 21:51.41 | dougheckaa | lol |
| 21:51.47 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: 2006 |
| 21:51.49 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 21:52.04 | TimRiker | yep. I'm feeling moved in. Got Redhat beat into shape (adding apt-get etc) so as I can live with it. |
| 21:52.17 | dougheckaa | HAHA |
| 21:52.31 | dougheckaa | aka redhat2debian conversion eh? |
| 21:52.37 | TimRiker | got firewall work arounds up... I can even play bzflag through the http-connect firewall. ;-) |
| 21:52.49 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: wow |
| 21:52.50 | dougheckaa | how? |
| 21:53.01 | TimRiker | lag makes it not very playable, but it's fine for admin. |
| 21:53.13 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 21:53.17 | TimRiker | http://transconnect.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:54.00 | Noodleman | dougheckaa: 2600 |
| 21:54.09 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: wow |
| 21:54.16 | TimRiker | no dns requests. client should not be doing them, but clearly it is. If I pick a server from the list server (which works using the IP) then it tries to do a host lookup someplace. I need to find that and kill it. |
| 21:54.18 | dougheckaa | Noodleman: more like it |
| 21:54.34 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: hm |
| 21:54.40 | Noodleman | 2600, oooOOOOooo |
| 21:54.49 | dougheckaa | bleh, no windows version? |
| 21:54.52 | Noodleman | the magical number of the h4z0r |
| 21:54.58 | Noodleman | h4x0r, even |
| 21:55.02 | dougheckaa | ah |
| 21:55.08 | TimRiker | heh. yeah, just try to LD_PRELOAD that on windows. ;-) |
| 21:55.19 | dougheckaa | TimRiker: yea yea :) |
| 21:55.22 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 21:55.53 | TimRiker | I'll probably add http/connect code in bz at some point. it will be slow though. |
| 21:56.34 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 21:57.43 | Patlabor221 | http has a lot of extra stuff |
| 21:58.16 | Patlabor221 | doug you should just port BZ to web java |
| 21:58.17 | captain_proton | hey cool |
| 21:58.23 | captain_proton | the joystick works with HID |
| 21:58.28 | Noodleman | i got spaminated once by having an http connect proxy out on the net :-) |
| 21:58.32 | Patlabor221 | oooooo cool |
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| 21:58.46 | Noodleman | kill!! |
| 21:58.59 | Patlabor221 | "we represent the loolypop guild" |
| 21:59.04 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: ewww |
| 21:59.30 | captain_proton | "we resemble but are legally distinct from the lollypop guild, the lollypop guild" |
| 21:59.35 | Patlabor221 | doug you are part of the loolypop guild |
| 21:59.46 | Noodleman | lollypoop |
| 21:59.54 | Noodleman | mmm, yummy! |
| 21:59.58 | Noodleman | :-P``` |
| 22:00.00 | TimRiker | ~spell loolypop |
| 22:00.04 | | possible spellings for loolypop: lollipop lollipops lollipop's lookup loopy polyp Limpopo loop lookups polyps Lolly lolly lowly lookup's loops logotype polyp's looper dollop loop's looped |
| 22:00.36 | TimRiker | not the lowly guild? |
| 22:00.48 | Patlabor221 | doug, chaingun or shotgun? |
| 22:00.58 | dougheckaa | shotgun |
| 22:01.06 | Patlabor221 | there may be hope for you yet. |
| 22:01.08 | dougheckaa | both |
| 22:01.13 | dougheckaa | ;) |
| 22:01.16 | Patlabor221 | nope, no hope now |
| 22:01.21 | dougheckaa | ok, shotgun |
| 22:01.26 | Patlabor221 | the munchkin side you have turned to. |
| 22:01.39 | Patlabor221 | one down the path, forever will it dominate your destiny. |
| 22:02.02 | dougheckaa | good thing we know how to spell |
| 22:02.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.ai.mit.edu/people/ringrose/munchkin.html |
| 22:03.42 | Patlabor221 | Favorite Melee Weapon: |
| 22:03.42 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.42 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.42 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.42 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:04.40 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 22:05.31 | Noodleman | and cows have 4 storage tanks for toxic ooze which they fire at assailants |
| 22:05.34 | Patlabor221 | Personal computers: |
| 22:05.34 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.34 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.34 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.34 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:05.51 | *** join/#bzflag Skipp (ifyoo438@dialup-64.156.53.199.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:05.51 | Noodleman | haha |
| 22:06.00 | dougheckaa | ugh |
| 22:06.05 | Patlabor221 | Big computers: |
| 22:06.06 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.06 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:06.25 | dougheckaa | I dont have a nintendo |
| 22:06.27 | Skipp | how much latency would i have with a 512kbps wireless internet on bzflag, ducat |
| 22:06.43 | Noodleman | ping your router |
| 22:06.46 | Skipp | around 150 |
| 22:06.46 | dougheckaa | satellite? |
| 22:06.49 | Patlabor221 | ping the server |
| 22:06.51 | Skipp | don't have it yet |
| 22:06.51 | dougheckaa | or real wireless |
| 22:07.01 | Skipp | just wondering |
| 22:07.02 | Patlabor221 | it depends on the route |
| 22:07.03 | dougheckaa | satellite has 700 |
| 22:07.10 | Skipp | estimate |
| 22:07.11 | dougheckaa | = icky |
| 22:07.15 | dougheckaa | + |
| 22:07.23 | Patlabor221 | define wireless? |
| 22:07.25 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: its weird to have a joystick with a hat :) |
| 22:07.25 | dougheckaa | speed of light ya know |
| 22:07.34 | Patlabor221 | wireless in your house? or wireless to the net? |
| 22:07.43 | Skipp | connects to box in the house |
| 22:07.45 | Patlabor221 | cap, you don't have wone |
| 22:07.53 | Patlabor221 | ahh so a DSL or cable modem? |
| 22:07.54 | Skipp | the provider is very close to my neighboorhood |
| 22:08.03 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: the one you sent has one |
| 22:08.11 | Patlabor221 | I know, your old one did not? |
| 22:08.17 | captain_proton | nope |
| 22:08.31 | captain_proton | my old one is about a ~10yr old analog |
| 22:08.31 | Patlabor221 | dsl/cable shold be below 300 for a decent route. |
| 22:08.37 | captain_proton | but its smooth :) |
| 22:08.43 | Patlabor221 | cap you want another one like that, just not USB? |
| 22:08.54 | Patlabor221 | I can't get it to work on winderz |
| 22:09.09 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: at this point i have 2 joysticks, so its not necessary for development |
| 22:09.10 | Patlabor221 | any my new mobos don't have gameports |
| 22:09.27 | captain_proton | but if you really want to ;-) |
| 22:09.34 | Patlabor221 | well if I get another USB for me, you want the game port one? |
| 22:09.48 | Patlabor221 | so you will have 2 that work on ether hand? |
| 22:10.02 | captain_proton | i already do have 2 |
| 22:10.28 | Patlabor221 | but 2 with hats? :) |
| 22:10.32 | Patlabor221 | and that match |
| 22:11.05 | captain_proton | its really not necessary at all - the core issue is to have two that can coexist (one gameport & one usb or two usb) |
| 22:11.23 | Skipp | so with a wireless internet around 512kbps should get around 200ms |
| 22:11.31 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E9529F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:11.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 22:11.44 | Skipp | hey |
| 22:11.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 22:11.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | u again |
| 22:11.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;D |
| 22:12.13 | Noodleman | Patlabor221: i think, by that page, i'm a loonie :-) |
| 22:12.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hey Noodle |
| 22:12.45 | Patlabor221 | you are noodle, you are.. |
| 22:12.54 | Patlabor221 | skipp, probably |
| 22:12.58 | Skipp | Patlabor221: how much latency would i get with a 512kbps wireless internet connection |
| 22:13.06 | Patlabor221 | depending on route |
| 22:13.19 | Patlabor221 | the 512k part dosn't mater |
| 22:13.27 | Patlabor221 | it's the connecction latency |
| 22:13.38 | Patlabor221 | most DSLs and cable modems are low latecny |
| 22:13.39 | Skipp | the provider is very close, within 10 miles |
| 22:13.56 | Patlabor221 | then your latency to your gateway would be low, like around 10-20 ms |
| 22:14.04 | Patlabor221 | the rest depends on there connection to your server |
| 22:14.09 | Skipp | on ducati? |
| 22:14.23 | Patlabor221 | dialup has like 150ms latency to the gateway |
| 22:15.09 | Skipp | still low latency overall |
| 22:15.20 | Skipp | no more laggy skipp |
| 22:15.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah boraband connects have much lower overall latency |
| 22:15.58 | Skipp | thanks for the information Patlabor221 |
| 22:16.01 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how many hops it is from your ISP to where ever ducati is, so I can't sayu |
| 22:16.03 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 22:16.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | does somewone use emuleß |
| 22:16.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ? |
| 22:17.05 | *** part/#bzflag Skipp (ifyoo438@dialup-64.156.53.199.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net) |
| 22:17.52 | Patlabor221 | cap, I just got another USB stick for $9.00, so when it gets here I'll put the gameport one in the box and send it to you :) |
| 22:18.01 | Patlabor221 | since I don't have a machine that can even use it anymore |
| 22:18.23 | captain_proton | ok, if you insist ;) |
| 22:18.40 | Patlabor221 | what would you do for me in return doug? |
| 22:18.49 | Patlabor221 | and I have no windows drivers for it. |
| 22:18.59 | dougheckaa | who made it? |
| 22:19.04 | Patlabor221 | interact |
| 22:19.07 | Patlabor221 | there site is down |
| 22:19.25 | dougheckaa | linux supports it |
| 22:19.44 | dougheckaa | wanna trade? |
| 22:19.51 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:20.00 | dougheckaa | aww |
| 22:20.11 | Patlabor221 | cap, you have to have 2 that match to have a proper 2 stick set up :) |
| 22:20.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: heh |
| 22:20.32 | captain_proton | dougheckaa: i think Patlabor221 likes sending me stuff because i add neat things to his code |
| 22:20.44 | dougheckaa | captain_proton: yea yea |
| 22:20.44 | Patlabor221 | doug I have a pile of analog sticks |
| 22:20.53 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: ooh, send one to me :P |
| 22:20.54 | Patlabor221 | I would like to get a throtle thingy tho |
| 22:20.58 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 22:21.07 | Patlabor221 | I ask again, what would you do for me? |
| 22:21.17 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: stop bugging you to send me stuff |
| 22:21.22 | dougheckaa | at least for a month |
| 22:21.31 | Patlabor221 | I sent the card to noodleman, cus he set up CVS and opend up a huge security hole for me |
| 22:21.33 | captain_proton | haha |
| 22:21.40 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 22:21.50 | Patlabor221 | doug, ignore does that for me, for free |
| 22:22.22 | Patlabor221 | ohh yea, Noodleman, you suck I hate you now.... just an FYI |
| 22:22.33 | Patlabor221 | it's gone man |
| 22:22.37 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 22:22.48 | Patlabor221 | you said you got one in a laptop, so I figured you didn't need it. |
| 22:22.58 | dougheckaa | laptop is gone man |
| 22:23.26 | Patlabor221 | why did you get rid of your only DVD? |
| 22:23.42 | Patlabor221 | baka |
| 22:23.50 | dougheckaa | the laptop was broken |
| 22:24.07 | Patlabor221 | I would sugest that you stop breaking things |
| 22:24.18 | dougheckaa | was broken when I got it |
| 22:24.23 | Patlabor221 | sure it was |
| 22:24.30 | dougheckaa | fedex broke it |
| 22:24.43 | captain_proton | perhaps you should stop buying broken hardware? |
| 22:24.53 | Patlabor221 | then file a claim and get and get a new one |
| 22:24.55 | dougheckaa | I dint buy it |
| 22:25.06 | dougheckaa | my uncle sent it to me, and he dint put insurence on it |
| 22:25.18 | Patlabor221 | they are auto insured for $100 |
| 22:25.38 | dougheckaa | laptop was worth more than that when I got it |
| 22:25.48 | captain_proton | odd...it looks like the hat is encoded as two other axes |
| 22:25.49 | Patlabor221 | I realy do need to find a new G4 case |
| 22:25.53 | Patlabor221 | for "the board" |
| 22:26.01 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: mod the case blood red |
| 22:26.03 | Patlabor221 | cap !?! |
| 22:26.11 | Patlabor221 | shows as a hat for me, with no drivers |
| 22:26.28 | captain_proton | could just be the test program i was using |
| 22:26.55 | dougheckaa | had to use the special drivers |
| 22:26.56 | Patlabor221 | stick on a stick that would be funny, you could do 2 players with the same stick :) |
| 22:27.11 | dougheckaa | ugh |
| 22:27.15 | Patlabor221 | I could send you "the pad" doug :) |
| 22:27.31 | dougheckaa | the pad... sounds.... cruel |
| 22:27.32 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 22:27.35 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 22:27.41 | dougheckaa | what is it? |
| 22:27.51 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: it wasn't showing as a "real" axis - only values were 0, 32765 & -32765 |
| 22:28.01 | Patlabor221 | some funky MS sidewider thingy |
| 22:28.07 | Patlabor221 | that bends in the middle |
| 22:28.14 | Patlabor221 | "dual strike" or something like that |
| 22:28.15 | dougheckaa | oooh |
| 22:28.16 | dougheckaa | wierd |
| 22:28.27 | Patlabor221 | it's seriously messed up |
| 22:28.34 | dougheckaa | as in broken? |
| 22:28.38 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:28.43 | dougheckaa | oh |
| 22:28.50 | Patlabor221 | it works just as it's desinged too |
| 22:29.06 | dougheckaa | keyboard mouse replacement |
| 22:29.10 | Patlabor221 | and I don't use the term "messed" to describe it in converstation, just there are language limts here. |
| 22:29.22 | Patlabor221 | no it's a game controller |
| 22:29.28 | dougheckaa | yea, for games |
| 22:29.29 | captain_proton | jeeeez |
| 22:29.35 | captain_proton | w3m is so creepy |
| 22:29.48 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: would you send it to me? |
| 22:29.53 | Patlabor221 | it's suposed to be for FPS games, you move with the "hat" |
| 22:29.58 | Patlabor221 | you want it? |
| 22:30.02 | dougheckaa | sure |
| 22:30.02 | Patlabor221 | it's useless man |
| 22:30.24 | Patlabor221 | if I remember to bring it in, I'll get an addy from you. |
| 22:30.39 | dougheckaa | cool |
| 22:30.45 | Patlabor221 | so waht will you do for me? |
| 22:30.55 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 22:31.09 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm, texture conversion monkey sounds good. |
| 22:31.14 | dougheckaa | take this pad off of your hands |
| 22:31.59 | Patlabor221 | find every quake 3 PD texture and convert them all to TGA format and catogise them in folders |
| 22:32.15 | dougheckaa | ! |
| 22:32.17 | Patlabor221 | and make readme's that credit there creators |
| 22:32.19 | dougheckaa | where would I get those? |
| 22:32.29 | Patlabor221 | planet quake |
| 22:32.32 | Patlabor221 | and other places |
| 22:32.47 | dougheckaa | how do I convert them? |
| 22:32.50 | Patlabor221 | cap, I can batch convert them to png when I finish the reader, |
| 22:32.57 | Patlabor221 | photoshop |
| 22:33.11 | dougheckaa | whats pd? |
| 22:33.16 | Patlabor221 | Public Domain |
| 22:33.19 | dougheckaa | can photoshop read the,? |
| 22:33.24 | dougheckaa | the texture? |
| 22:33.38 | Patlabor221 | sure, they usualy are mix of BMP, jpeg, or TGA |
| 22:33.46 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 22:33.47 | dougheckaa | interesting |
| 22:33.54 | Patlabor221 | I just need one common format, and TGA will support all the posible features. |
| 22:34.15 | Patlabor221 | look for the "evil" textures |
| 22:34.23 | Patlabor221 | one guy has a boat load of them |
| 22:34.33 | Patlabor221 | I used his in the current maps |
| 22:34.54 | Patlabor221 | bascly, he says you can use them for what ever you want, just credit him, and don't change them. |
| 22:35.34 | dougheckaa | huh |
| 22:36.22 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-177-23.d-ip.magma.ca) |
| 22:36.35 | dougheckaa | how do I unzip or whatever them |
| 22:36.50 | Patlabor221 | what are they? |
| 22:36.51 | Patlabor221 | zips? |
| 22:36.55 | Patlabor221 | pk3? |
| 22:36.58 | dougheckaa | pk3 |
| 22:37.08 | Patlabor221 | guess what pk3 realy is |
| 22:37.16 | dougheckaa | zip? |
| 22:37.21 | Patlabor221 | you get a cookie |
| 22:37.26 | dougheckaa | yay |
| 22:37.35 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/hfx/ |
| 22:37.39 | Patlabor221 | that's where I get some |
| 22:37.44 | Patlabor221 | http://www.planetquake.com/quake3/hosted/editing.shtml |
| 22:37.45 | dougheckaa | so only the images |
| 22:37.51 | Patlabor221 | textures section |
| 22:38.02 | Patlabor221 | yeah and sort them by theme and artist and stuff. |
| 22:38.15 | dougheckaa | k |
| 22:38.20 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 22:39.09 | captain_proton | ohh crap |
| 22:39.17 | captain_proton | i can't build screamers here for one simple reason |
| 22:39.26 | captain_proton | the fmod lib isn't for PPC |
| 22:40.02 | captain_proton | perhaps i'll make it so if it can't find fmod it will link in a stub version of the sound manager |
| 22:40.07 | dougheckaa | can wget get all the files off a website that end with .zip? |
| 22:40.20 | Patlabor221 | it should get any file |
| 22:40.26 | Patlabor221 | cap, that would be fine. |
| 22:40.30 | captain_proton | which we can then modify to do openal ;) |
| 22:40.40 | Patlabor221 | what is he runnin? linux on an imac? |
| 22:41.12 | dougheckaa | you shouldnt ask |
| 22:41.14 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 22:41.18 | captain_proton | i'm borrowing a friend's ibook |
| 22:41.21 | captain_proton | running linux |
| 22:41.23 | Patlabor221 | cus there is a mac version of fmod |
| 22:41.24 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 22:43.31 | captain_proton | ppc linux version? |
| 22:44.20 | Patlabor221 | no, a mac OSX version, so it won't help you. |
| 22:44.31 | captain_proton | ah |
| 22:46.02 | captain_proton | i guess i'll add some tests to the sound manager SConscript |
| 22:46.11 | bzgirl | hi, to make a cable from my roomates computer to my router is it cross over or straight-through? (i have the clips and a crusher, im just not sure what order the colors go) |
| 22:46.23 | captain_proton | if it can't find libfmod on linux it'll splat a warning to the screen and compile against a stub |
| 22:46.35 | Patlabor221 | going from her comp to the hub BZG? |
| 22:46.43 | dougheckaa | strait |
| 22:46.44 | bzgirl | yes |
| 22:46.49 | Patlabor221 | yeah stright thur |
| 22:46.57 | bzgirl | http://www.ertyu.org/~steven_nikkel/ethernetcables.html |
| 22:47.06 | bzgirl | im following that |
| 22:47.15 | bzgirl | ok tnx |
| 22:47.31 | Patlabor221 | yeah you want the standard one, shoudl be fine for the hub in the router. |
| 22:47.44 | Patlabor221 | uplinks and card=>card connections need the cross. |
| 22:48.04 | Patlabor221 | sounds good mon capitan |
| 22:49.25 | dougheckaa | oh bleh, I dont want the whole freaking planetquake site |
| 22:50.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah you do :) |
| 22:50.11 | dougheckaa | bah |
| 22:50.13 | dougheckaa | fileplanet |
| 22:50.20 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 22:50.22 | Patlabor221 | yes you want all of fileplanet :) |
| 22:50.24 | dougheckaa | what software? |
| 22:50.30 | Patlabor221 | websnake |
| 22:50.35 | dougheckaa | hm |
| 22:50.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: will it continue to try to use the sound manager if i return 0 devices? |
| 22:50.37 | dougheckaa | free? |
| 22:50.50 | Patlabor221 | cap yeah |
| 22:50.52 | Patlabor221 | :( |
| 22:51.13 | captain_proton | ok |
| 22:51.18 | Patlabor221 | cus it dosn't ask now, it just passes in 0 for the ID meaning the default device |
| 22:51.42 | Patlabor221 | pffft why? |
| 22:51.49 | Patlabor221 | doug, it's like 30 day free |
| 22:51.59 | Patlabor221 | and I'll have the site I need in another 4 or 5 days |
| 22:52.21 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 22:52.37 | dougheckaa | its just the finding of all the textures |
| 22:52.40 | Patlabor221 | then I have to send it after the robotech techincal archives, so I can move it |
| 22:53.12 | dougheckaa | you wanted one |
| 22:53.19 | Patlabor221 | at one point yes |
| 22:53.23 | Patlabor221 | but now, no |
| 22:54.28 | Patlabor221 | who would read it? lt-d? creeper? |
| 22:54.37 | dougheckaa | hmm |
| 22:54.39 | dougheckaa | dunno |
| 22:54.57 | captain_proton | too many munchkins with world-making software |
| 22:55.06 | Patlabor221 | zactly |
| 22:55.13 | captain_proton | thats why the world was a better place before bzedit for windows ;) |
| 22:55.26 | Patlabor221 | why do you think it still has bugs:) |
| 22:55.35 | bzgirl | maps i think are made to look pretty first, with gameplay an afterthought |
| 22:55.36 | Patlabor221 | that's part of the Iq test |
| 22:55.56 | Patlabor221 | most map makers don't know the word "playtest" |
| 22:56.05 | captain_proton | gerbil's older maps were cool |
| 22:56.21 | captain_proton | like ballpark...pretty and it has lots of cool playthings |
| 22:56.27 | dougheckaa | people like spirals |
| 22:56.45 | captain_proton | only because it doesn't have any recent competition ;) |
| 22:56.57 | Patlabor221 | I fear what people will do with arbitrary geometry |
| 22:56.59 | dougheckaa | zactly |
| 22:57.25 | captain_proton | and its lack of competition is due to all the world-makers being munchkins |
| 22:57.42 | Patlabor221 | real men don't put there names in the map :) |
| 22:58.10 | Patlabor221 | and what did it add to the map? |
| 22:58.13 | dougheckaa | that was before fancy tools like png2bzw |
| 22:58.15 | Patlabor221 | gameplay wise? |
| 22:58.25 | dougheckaa | Patlabor221: a nice GM roost |
| 22:58.44 | captain_proton | since when are camping spots a good thing? |
| 22:58.50 | Patlabor221 | aka a camper spot to exploit the bigest munchkin weapon in the game? |
| 22:58.57 | dougheckaa | and laser |
| 22:59.17 | bzgirl | thats why i love this shot limit patch |
| 22:59.26 | dougheckaa | haha |
| 22:59.30 | Patlabor221 | yeah nice thing called "ammo" :) |
| 23:00.08 | dougheckaa | only thing that is unlimited is plain shots |
| 23:00.22 | Patlabor221 | what you been readin an RTF doc? |
| 23:00.50 | dougheckaa | :) |
| 23:01.05 | Noodleman | death to iframes! |
| 23:01.15 | Patlabor221 | do they not work for any browsers? |
| 23:01.17 | dougheckaa | iflame iframes!!!!! |
| 23:01.34 | Noodleman | i just don't like frames, period |
| 23:01.40 | Patlabor221 | why? |
| 23:01.48 | Patlabor221 | I don't like old school frames |
| 23:01.52 | Patlabor221 | they are nasty |
| 23:01.53 | Noodleman | also, iframes are used to exploit bugs in outlook express |
| 23:01.59 | Patlabor221 | heh |
| 23:02.15 | Noodleman | everyone should just use mozilla :-) |
| 23:02.28 | Patlabor221 | well they serve a sutable function on phpbb |
| 23:02.31 | Noodleman | everybody agree??! |
| 23:02.33 | Noodleman | :-) |
| 23:02.39 | dougheckaa | no |
| 23:02.40 | Patlabor221 | when you need to embed a page in a post. |
| 23:02.44 | dougheckaa | opera forever! |
| 23:02.52 | Patlabor221 | I found no other way to do it. |
| 23:03.10 | Patlabor221 | I would like a phpbbcode that did it, but they don't have one. |
| 23:09.39 | captain_proton | sheesh |
| 23:09.46 | captain_proton | the soundmanager api is huge |
| 23:17.51 | *** join/#bzflag rooter ([1shDTuWVW@webguy.cc.westga.edu) |
| 23:29.35 | captain_proton | ARGH |
| 23:29.38 | captain_proton | no real GL on this machine |
| 23:30.50 | Patlabor221 | wow I did put a lot of code in that, didn't I |
| 23:31.30 | Patlabor221 | wait till you see my glorious commit :0 |
| 23:31.54 | captain_proton | hm? |
| 23:32.24 | Patlabor221 | no more chuckin around pointers texture managers, sound managers ect... |
| 23:32.46 | captain_proton | globals? |
| 23:32.55 | Patlabor221 | globafied all the services and managers |
| 23:33.09 | captain_proton | good |
| 23:36.14 | Patlabor221 | and added global pointers to the current game loop, and gamelogic |
| 23:36.22 | Patlabor221 | so everyone can get them |
| 23:36.53 | Patlabor221 | much cleaner now |
| 23:37.14 | Patlabor221 | but I'm allso ripin the menu stuff anew |
| 23:38.20 | Patlabor221 | cus I'm about to branch off another logic class |
| 23:40.16 | captain_proton | what kind of logic class? |
| 23:40.22 | Patlabor221 | a real one |
| 23:40.34 | Patlabor221 | that does real game like things |
| 23:40.39 | Patlabor221 | like contacts a server |
| 23:40.43 | Patlabor221 | has scores |
| 23:40.48 | Patlabor221 | and all that fun stuff |
| 23:41.14 | Patlabor221 | I want to leave the "deafalt" one as it is, so that it can be used to test out maps, with out needing to load a server. |
| 23:41.31 | Patlabor221 | so I'll derive one off for the first FFA logic class |
| 23:55.11 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh the return of the super cool crossfade menus :) |