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00:00.02Noodleman_worknow i'm sad
00:08.11dougheckabummer d00d
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02:05.29usuario???
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02:22.07captain_protonwhat damn cool music
02:24.22Patlabor221wow this card supports dual monitors and svideo out
02:24.27dougheckawow
02:24.42dougheckaDVD on the TV and program on the monitors
02:25.14Patlabor221I don't know if it will do all 3
02:25.19Patlabor221at the same time
02:25.22dougheckaoh
02:25.27dougheckawould be cool if it did
02:25.32captain_protondon't think it does
02:25.36captain_protononly 2 heads on the card
02:25.42dougheckadrats
02:25.54Patlabor221why would it be cool
02:25.54captain_protonif they were going to add a 3rd head they'd have a 3rd video out
02:26.01Patlabor221I watch my moves in a window
02:26.08Patlabor221if I'm watching them and working
02:26.21Patlabor221cap, there's no more room on the backplate :)
02:26.31captain_protonPatlabor221: dongles ;)
02:26.39dougheckaah
02:26.53Patlabor221on a 78$ card, I don't think so
02:27.05dougheckaonly 78?
02:27.07dougheckawhats the chip?
02:27.11dougheckaGF4?
02:27.17Patlabor221geforece FX
02:27.27dougheckaoh
02:27.31dougheckaFOR 78?!?!
02:27.34Patlabor221yeah
02:27.37dougheckafrom where?!
02:27.48Patlabor221FX 5200 64 meg DDR1
02:27.56dougheckawow
02:28.01Patlabor221where ever we get our crap from
02:28.05Patlabor221we got 5
02:28.22dougheckahow much are ya selling them for?
02:28.33doughecka100? :)_
02:28.59Patlabor22190 I think
02:31.21Patlabor221cap I have somethign fun you would like?
02:31.32Patlabor221! ! ? )
02:32.29Patlabor221apple prototype board, cpu, and powersupply :)
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02:43.08Patlabor221hey tim:)
02:43.13Patlabor221GPL breakers
02:43.13Patlabor221http://servor.dyndns.org/
02:43.54Patlabor221binary and a diff, no full source, for a cheat client
02:44.32captain_protoni think the diff is sufficient
02:44.37Patlabor221is it
02:44.49Patlabor221well still it's a cheater
02:45.09Patlabor221tho they did set it up to connect only to there server in binary form
02:45.11Patlabor221so tha'ts nice
02:45.30captain_protonquite
02:46.01Patlabor221tho I don't know why they just don't change the version
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02:46.02dougheckagreetings
02:46.03Patlabor221so they don't show
02:46.31TimRikerdiff is fine.
02:46.36Patlabor221ahhh
02:47.15TimRikerone cen get the standard sources elsewhere, so a diff is fine provided it applies ok.
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02:52.15captain_protonPatlabor221: what manner of apple board?
02:57.16Patlabor221dual giger DDR firewire board
02:57.22Patlabor221and its' RED :)
02:57.29Patlabor221huge reaking heatsink
02:57.30[STC]_creeperzBRB
02:57.44captain_protonoooo
02:58.45[STC]_creeperzBack
02:59.42Patlabor221see I kew you woud be intersted
02:59.47Patlabor221gotta find a case for it too
03:48.07[STC]_creeperzUUGH!! Need food!
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04:04.20[STC]_creeperzHi
04:07.02Patlabor221supzor
04:07.31[STC]_creeperzHi
04:08.41Patlabor221how goes it?
04:08.58[STC]_creeperzCrappy
04:09.02Patlabor221:(
04:09.04[STC]_creeperzBut better than tomorrow
04:09.37[STC]_creeperzI'm here today, I haven't existed tomorrow
04:09.39[STC]_creeperzSo it's all good
04:10.02Patlabor221if time is not linear you exist tomorow now as well
04:10.12[STC]_creeperzYea
04:10.51Patlabor221and yesterday as well
04:11.17[STC]_creeperzToday is yesterday's tomorrow
04:11.27[STC]_creeperzAnd I suck at terminalogy
04:11.38Patlabor221that is is
04:12.02captain_protonyay for simcity4
04:12.25Patlabor221it does look neat doesn't it?
04:13.15[STC]_creeperzFFMQ is a good game for SNES
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04:13.41[STC]_creeperzHi
04:21.33Patlabor221ahh I see, the FX5200 is basicly a GF4 MX with shaders
04:21.57[STC]_creeperzCost?
04:22.24Patlabor221bout $90
04:22.29[STC]_creeperzREally?
04:22.44Patlabor221yeah its the low end FX
04:22.51[STC]_creeperzOh
04:23.09[STC]_creeperzThat sorta sums up the meaning "You get what you pay for"
04:23.14Patlabor221yeah
04:23.33Patlabor221it's priced perfectly for what it does
04:23.50Patlabor221it's a nice 2 head solution for under a hundred
04:23.55Patlabor221with shaders
04:24.10[STC]_creeperzWouldn't the shaders with low end FX as you put it end up with high FPS lag?
04:24.41[STC]_creeperzOr am I just whack?
04:24.51Patlabor221huh?
04:25.29Patlabor221shaders are shaders
04:25.33[STC]_creeperzWould the FPS be fairly low with shaders and low quality?
04:25.43[STC]_creeperzOh, it has hardly any bearing on the amout of FPS?
04:25.50Patlabor221low end does not equal low quality
04:26.01[STC]_creeperzend*
04:26.03[STC]_creeperzSorry
04:26.08Patlabor221it's just got less fillrate then a full FX, no DDR2 and no anti alisaing
04:26.17[STC]_creeperzAh
04:26.25Patlabor221fps depends on what the software does with it
04:26.31[STC]_creeperzTrue
04:26.45[STC]_creeperzBut I thought it might do something odd with it
04:27.17Patlabor221what "it"?
04:27.35[STC]_creeperzThe FPS
04:27.46[STC]_creeperzOr any drivers
04:27.47[STC]_creeperz?
04:28.15Patlabor221again depends on the software
04:28.18captain_protonPatlabor221: no AA? :(
04:28.23[STC]_creeperzOk, I'm shutting up now because I am getting stupider with every word I say
04:28.30Patlabor221no, not there new AA, just shader aa
04:28.40Patlabor221that's why it's 90$
04:28.43captain_protonbut but but
04:28.49captain_protonquincunx is funderful
04:28.53Patlabor221yes
04:28.57Patlabor221and it costs $100 more
04:29.04Patlabor221you got a 100 bucks?
04:29.20captain_protonhm
04:29.23captain_protonnot really that i want to spend
04:29.34Patlabor221the next one up has all but DDR2
04:29.36Patlabor221the 5600
04:29.43Patlabor221it's runnin about 250ish
04:30.03[STC]_creeperzHmm, I need some snackers and some sleep
04:30.21[STC]_creeperzSee yu later, or tomorrow
04:30.28[STC]_creeperzWhich ever one works out
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04:42.48Patlabor221yay I can now shitcan the 9700
04:43.46captain_protonyay
04:45.03Patlabor221from what I see the FX5200 is faster then the best 4MX, plus it has shaders and DDR
04:45.08Patlabor221and a higher memory cap
04:45.20Patlabor221looks like it's there new MX replacement
04:45.40Patlabor221a full blown 4 has more fill rate, but the old shader stuff.
04:47.26Patlabor221tho the vertex rates are way better then a MX
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05:21.48michaelh2anyone familiar with bzfs commands?
05:22.12TimRikerlike in the man pages?
05:22.25michaelh2what does +f { do?
05:22.46michaelh2is {11 add 11 X the # of flags?
05:22.47TimRikeradds a flag. if {20} is used, then it adds 20 of them
05:23.01michaelh2cool..
05:23.03TimRikeryeah. {number}
05:23.17michaelh2I was looking at BZFS and I was wondering what it was doing there
05:23.34michaelh2because I only saw it skip over one {
05:23.39michaelh2and never saw the } handled :)
05:24.00TimRikerI think the } is just ignored. it probably would work without it.
05:24.24michaelh2so atoi just ignores non-number stuff after the number digits I assume
05:25.58TimRikeryep
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06:06.58MrApathyCreamwow so peaceful here...so serene
06:07.44captain_protonyup
06:09.54MrApathyCreami think i can hear the cows lowing
06:12.30MrApathyCreamibot, seen ti_boy?
06:12.30i haven't seen 'ti_boy', MrApathyCream
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06:21.32MrApathyCream"this was a parkin' lot, now it's all covered with daisies"
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06:55.48dougheckagreetings
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12:32.33[STC]_creeperzWell, I thought I would come in to say bye
12:32.36[STC]_creeperzBye
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14:07.40strayerthere are a many kinds of noice but only one silence......
14:07.56dougheckasound of sience
14:07.59strayer:)
14:08.01ChestalI think I must disagree
14:08.08strayerreally?
14:08.09Chestalsilence comes in different flavours
14:08.46strayerhm....
14:09.13doughecka~seen timriker
14:09.14timriker <~timr@c-67-163-110-34.client.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #zaurus, 8h 36m 9s ago, saying: 'TI does not give away sharp hardware. ;-)'.
14:12.55strayerChestal: I want to have it explained now.....I thought about it but...if there is silence, there is silence...nothing else....
14:15.04Chestalstrayer: well, we are referring to the concept of silence ondifferent levels
14:15.15Chestalthere can be relaxing silence
14:15.47Chestalbut it might also be a tense silence
14:16.09ChestalI agree that those are not physical terms, however :-)
14:22.11dougheckamythical?
14:22.12doughecka:P
14:25.53strayerChestal: I mean the real silence.......absolutely no noise
14:26.16Chestalstrayer: there is no such thing :-)
14:26.44strayerdo U really think so?.....nowhere?
14:28.00Chestalthere canprobably be silence for parts of the frequency spectrum
14:28.10Chestalbut for the whoel spectrum I guess you'd have to have 0K
14:28.32Chestalbut then, we'd need a real defintion of what sound is
14:29.26strayerfor an human maybe.....that she/he hears nothing?
14:29.47Chestalwhat about your own blood pumping through your body?
14:30.17strayerhm....this is something I can hear.....
14:30.32strayerso...no human will ever be in silence... :)
14:30.46strayer...not while she/he is alive....
14:31.03Chestaldoes silence still exist when noone is there to perceive it? ;-)
14:31.04dougheckadeaf people
14:31.20dougheckaif a tree falls in the..... oh, never mind
14:31.58strayerdunno, if deaf people can 'hear' their blood?
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15:27.08dougheckahey Patlabor2211
15:27.13Patlabor2211sup
15:27.22dougheckafound out why my zaurus wont flash
15:27.34dougheckabad CF card
15:27.36Patlabor2211ahhh, gum in the port ? :)
15:27.44dougheckanah, checked that
15:28.06Patlabor2211finaly the evil dictatorship of the ATI 9700 has been toppled
15:28.23dougheckalol
15:28.30Patlabor2211the nvidia coalition has deposed the evil regeme
15:28.52dougheckatoo much war news for you
15:28.54doughecka:)
15:28.57Patlabor2211many bothans died to bring us this information.
15:29.18Patlabor2211cap you around?
15:29.26dougheckalol
15:29.48Patlabor2211the joysticks came in :)
15:29.58dougheckasweet
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15:32.35Gorblo
15:32.58dougheckaDIE!
15:36.57Noodleman_workm00z0rZ
15:37.07dougheckahey Noodleman_work
15:37.17dougheckah000s13rs
15:37.23Noodleman_workhehe
15:37.26Gorbcaptain_proton: the proof of the right hand rule for the cross product ^: the right hand rule is evidently true for u =(1,0,0) and v=(0,1,0). for two other vectors x, and y there can be found a linear function f that maps x on u and y on v, f(x) = u and f(y) = v , then we have u^v = f(x)^f(y) = f(x^y)=f(z)=w
15:39.01Patlabor2211supzor noodle
15:39.40Patlabor2211cell noone cares about your proof.
15:40.49Gorbi only say that there needs to be proof and there is one(its not from me), because captain_proton said that its so per definition which is not right
15:41.06Gorbas i said yesterday
15:41.35Patlabor2211and I'll ask you like yesterday to go away.
15:41.49GorbPatlabor2211: shut up
15:41.59Gorbyou nerv
15:44.26Noodleman_workwhat kinda pr00f has cell got?
15:46.28Patlabor2211that the cross product of 2 vectors is the right hand nomral
15:46.47Noodleman_workdoes it matter in the grand scheme of things?
15:46.52Patlabor2211no
15:47.15Patlabor2211it's like the proof that all the anges in a triangle add up to 180
15:47.17Patlabor2211noone cares
15:47.26Patlabor2211you accept it as a fact.
15:47.34Gorbbysides its only the right hand normal if you take the samller angle
15:49.13Gorband dont accept things that i have not proofed
15:49.38Noodleman_workmy ban finger is getting itchy
15:49.49dougheckalol
15:50.07Patlabor2211cell the rest of us would like to get on with our lives
15:50.21Noodleman_workmy kingdom for op priviledges!
15:50.36Patlabor2211I know
15:50.51Patlabor2211maybe if I send cap hardware I can get op :)
15:51.19dougheckayou did
15:51.28Patlabor2211no I haven't sent it yet
15:51.38Patlabor2211it just got here
15:51.39dougheckaah
15:51.52Patlabor2211I need to ask him to make sure it will work on der linuxen
15:52.14Patlabor2211if so I'm gonna get another
15:52.46Noodleman_worki just ordered a mini-itx mobo and a weeny case :-)
15:52.54dougheckalol
15:52.58Noodleman_workshould be r33t when i get it set up
15:53.00Patlabor2211ohh those little shoe box ones?
15:53.07Noodleman_workyup
15:53.12Noodleman_workexcept smaller
15:53.12Patlabor2211cool
15:53.22Noodleman_workit's gunna be noodleroni for now
15:53.43Patlabor2211wow
15:53.57Patlabor2211thought you were gonna stay away from computers?
15:54.08Noodleman_worki was :-)
15:54.19Patlabor2211I told you I would host it for you.
15:54.47Noodleman_worki just can't stay away, it's like...
15:54.49Noodleman_workwell
15:54.59Noodleman_workstaying away from computers :-)
15:55.13dougheckalol
15:55.15Patlabor2211I'm hosting DMPs collections scripts while he moves :)
15:55.21dougheckaNoodleman_work... stay away from computers? ahhahahahaa
15:55.44Noodleman_workit's helped me to calm down about moving, for some reason
15:57.12Patlabor2211well if these sticks work I do need to get some more :)
15:57.17Patlabor2211cheap and simple
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15:57.49Noodleman_workBOOOOYAAAAAHH!
15:57.57Patlabor2211he's so pathetic
15:58.05dougheckalol
15:59.06Noodleman_workmaybe i can d0s0rz him
15:59.10Noodleman_work:-)
16:01.27Patlabor2211ahh good, the stick does work, least on windows
16:07.15Noodleman_workfigures, cell is hosting a website on IIS
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16:14.39dougheckaHEFFALUMP!
16:14.57Noodleman_workheffalumps and woosels, are really confusels
16:23.01strayerak|ra: hey....havn't seen U 4 a looooooong time....
16:23.15ak|rajup
16:23.22ak|rahi anyway
16:24.05strayerhad U so much to do with Ur studies?
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16:26.23ak|rayep
16:27.16Patlabor2211well I hope cap wakes up soon, only have 6 hours left on this auction.
16:27.22dougheckahehe
16:27.37Noodleman_worki wish i could use a sledge on those spammers where it counts
16:27.50Patlabor2211amazing
16:27.56Patlabor2211I have something to send you cap
16:27.59dougheckacaptain_proton: hmm, the monitor is suspended?
16:28.24Patlabor2211doug, read all the words
16:28.40doughecka~dict perpendicular
16:28.44Patlabor2211grok all the words
16:28.58Noodleman_worki like grok
16:29.02dougheckaI am extremely steep
16:29.03Noodleman_workit's a kewl word :-)
16:29.11ak|raPatlabor2211:  i was the fighting the day with a generalized tristrip
16:29.27Patlabor2211did you win akira?
16:29.27captain_protonPatlabor2211: wuzzat?
16:29.30Patlabor2211cap, I have a stick to send you.
16:29.41Patlabor2211if you think it will work on leenoz
16:29.49ak|raPatlabor2211: and was wondering why the hell i still saw this damn line that connects the "irregular" tris
16:30.15Patlabor2211Interact  raider pro digital, USB, cap will that work for you?
16:30.18ak|raPatlabor2211: you know the trick to get one big tristrip by connecting normally unconnected tristrip together?
16:30.20Patlabor2211"irregular"
16:30.26Patlabor2211no
16:30.32doughecka:Þ
16:30.37ak|raassuem u have 2 possible tristrips
16:31.01captain_protonPatlabor2211: yup
16:31.02Noodleman_workoh sure, doughecka's so tough, he can type non-ascii characters
16:31.07captain_protonany usb stick will work (yay for HID)
16:31.10Noodleman_work:-)
16:31.31dougheck:Þ :Þ :Þ
16:31.33ak|raif you insert the last vertex/index of the first strip and the first vertex/index of the next tristrip you can have one tristrip
16:31.45dougheckôÞ
16:31.59ak|rathese in fact zero triangles will be dumpstert away from the hardware
16:32.24captain_protonak|ra: i think the zeroed triangle flies in the face of tristrip optimizations though
16:32.53Noodleman_work:¿
16:32.57ak|ranot much
16:33.07dougheckö my
16:33.10ak|rabut the hard thing is : you see this line in wirefrime
16:33.26ak|raoh my .. and i search my indexingalgo a loooong time
16:33.27ak|ra:)
16:33.34Noodleman_work8-§
16:33.49dougheckÅhhhh
16:34.07ak|racaptain_proton: you can save a lot of vertices sending through the bus by this technique
16:34.24captain_protoncan you?
16:34.26ak|rabut as always it depends on your data
16:34.29ak|racaptain_proton: yes
16:34.38captain_protonit seems you avoid some state changes and add 2 vertices
16:35.00ak|raa tristrip just takes 2 more vertices for 2 more triangles
16:35.13captain_protonerr
16:35.20captain_protonthe total number of vertices stays the same
16:35.22ak|rasingle triangles takes 3 vertices per triangle :) -> so .. -> 6 vertices needs to be send
16:35.29captain_protonbecause you save the two to begin it, but you add two
16:36.10dougheckPORT BURST!
16:36.21ak|racaptain_proton: cant follow your logik
16:36.29dougheckdarn windows
16:36.43captain_protonok, ignore me then
16:36.56ak|rabye the way -> someone runs a 3comsoho100b-tx card with id 9300 ?
16:38.06Patlabor2211I think I have a couple of those 9x00 cards
16:38.40ak|racaptain_proton: if i use an index array to specify the vertices building my geometry, i will send 2 start indices + 2 indices more for each 2 triangles right?
16:39.19ak|raif i specify just triangles, i have to send 3 indices for each triangle
16:40.08captain_protonak|ra: but i don't see the benefit of combining two tristrips
16:40.19captain_protonof course its better than specifying individual triangles
16:40.33ak|raso lets say i want to build 30 triangles in a row -> 3 * 30 == 90 indices againt 17 indices of a strip
16:40.37captain_protonbut i think it actually adds a vertex
16:40.56captain_protonif you compare it against drawing two separate strips
16:41.21ak|rafor 2 seperate stripes i had to use 2 different indexarrays
16:42.05ak|raand in one "special" strip on can just have speed of strip with simpleness of one index array
16:42.17Patlabor2211cap you think that stick will work? if so I'm gonna get another one.
16:42.23ak|raof course with the + of 2 vertices at each change
16:42.24captain_protonPatlabor2211: yup
16:42.41captain_protoni guess if you're using interleaved arrays you could get the DMA benefit
16:42.48ak|raPatlabor2211: do the cards work under your linusbox?
16:42.51captain_protononly one transfer
16:43.25Patlabor2211akira yeah redhat runs them fine, I had them in a couple machines, and sent one to noodle too. they seem to work great
16:43.38dougheckwoo
16:43.43dougheckI am the highest bidder
16:43.46ak|racaptain_proton: myebe .. but interleave arrays are to .. noflexible for me
16:43.50Patlabor2211cap, send me an address when you get a chance and I'll ship it today.
16:44.08ak|raPatlabor2211: can you show me you lspci -v in a query?
16:44.11dougheckPatlabor2211: you have my address :)
16:44.20captain_protonak|ra: so basically you're sacrificing video speed for code simplicity? ;)
16:44.30captain_protonPatlabor2211: should i just /msg it or do you want email?
16:44.33Patlabor2211akira I don't have in the machine any more
16:44.37Patlabor2211cap what ever
16:45.07ak|racaptain_proton: if you apply filter on theinput data -> vertices .. you need to jump around of aligned data -> if its all interleaved there are a lot of cachegaps
16:45.25dougheck3 min left
16:46.10ak|raand i can specfiy dmapull for single arrays to (vertex-array-ext etc)
16:47.35ak|rabut anyways .. with this form of strip one win if there are many triangles and little changes and one sucks with little triangles and many changes :)
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17:29.59Noodleman_workanybody here use BIND?
17:31.03Noodleman_workeverybody's afraid to admit it :-)
17:33.58dougheckI USE WINDOWS! BWUAHAHAHA
17:34.52ak|raPatlabor2211: now my card works ..
17:34.59ak|rahad to patch the driver ..
17:37.58Patlabor2211scary
17:38.02ak|rauh yes
17:38.12ak|ranow i will try to adjust the kernel drivers
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17:52.04Patlabor2211gahhhhh new mobo dosn't have a game port
17:52.26dougheckhuh
17:53.57captain_protonPatlabor2211: you could stick an sb live in there
17:54.11Patlabor2211yeah I have one here too
17:55.29ak|ra:)
17:55.55dougheckwhos he?
17:55.59ak|ra:)
17:56.03dougheck:)
17:56.10dougheckok, now who is he?
17:56.12dougheck:)
17:56.15ak|rareally dont know?
17:56.42dougheck~google for don becker
17:56.43ak|ra_the_ networkdriver guy from linux and a lot of other os
17:56.48dougheckah
17:57.14ak|rahttp://www.scyld.com/page/about/
17:57.17ak|rathis man
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20:06.04Chestalhmm
20:06.12Chestalsomethign has to be done about the silence feature
20:06.26ChestalI accidentally silence people all the time without noticing, that sucks
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21:07.24Secret_Hamsterhey bzgirl.  long time no see
21:08.13Noodleman_workm00z0rz
21:08.18Secret_Hamsteractually I dont' talk in here much now
21:08.27Noodleman_workchinese food always hits the spot
21:08.43Secret_Hamsterworking is a real drag on your iNet socialising
21:08.44Noodleman_workalthough italian hits it better :-)
21:09.05Noodleman_worki talk on irc at work
21:09.13Noodleman_worki'm doing it now, in fact
21:10.23Secret_Hamsterhuh, well atm I'm pushing trolleys around a garden centre for a living.  so time to sit on the iNet at work is nil
21:11.03Secret_HamsterI seriously need an IT job.  My brain is going craxy with nothing to do!
21:11.33bzgirloh hi Hampster :)
21:12.32Secret_HamsterI've not worked on my nice little bridge map, since I found I haven't got the bandwidth to serve it
21:13.04captain_protonSecret_Hamster: its not all its cracked up to be ;)
21:13.58bzgirlcaptain_proton: is your original decks map out there somewhere to download?
21:14.11Secret_Hamsterwhat woking in IT?  yes it is.  Been there got the tee-shirt.  sat all day drinking coffee
21:14.18captain_protonbzgirl: should be in the worlds tracker on sf
21:14.29captain_protonSecret_Hamster: perhaps its just the case here at the university
21:15.01Patlabor2211for being places of learning, universitys are often filled with many stupid people.
21:15.02Secret_Hamsterbeats pushing trolleys around, my brain needs problems to solve.
21:15.05captain_protonits fun and all, but every so often a professor calls expecting us to fix the crap they broke by misusing things RIGHT THIS INSTANT
21:15.25Secret_Hamstercaptain_proton: yep been there too.  told tehm to stuff it in the end
21:16.01captain_protonSecret_Hamster: if only i could do that...
21:16.06Secret_HamsterI don't mind taking crap.  but taking the blame from the person who stuffed it up in the first place really ticked me off
21:17.00Secret_Hamstercaptain_proton: well I had no choice.  they were ticked off with me.  I was with them.
21:17.50Secret_Hamsterfor some bizarre reason they expected me to fully repair and upgrade a dead (and I mean dead) network in about 6 months.
21:17.59Patlabor2211hmmmm, cap got a slick way to take a number and find the power of 2 that is closest to it, but greater?
21:18.48captain_protontest against powers of two?
21:18.58Patlabor2211that's not slick
21:19.12captain_protonhmm
21:19.14Secret_Hamsterthe problem for me is I'm too xperienced now.  All the people they seem to want to employ is cheap inexperienced techs
21:19.32Secret_HamsterPatlabor2211: create a lookup table?
21:19.41Patlabor2211like  something like a power of 2 divide, dtich the remander, and then add one or something liekt hat
21:19.55Patlabor2211hampster, would be faster to jsut test
21:20.12Patlabor2211I can do the tests I was just thinking there has to be a slick way :)
21:23.44captain_protonyou could do a binary search within the bits
21:24.09captain_protonthat way you only have to make (at most, i'm guessing here) 8 tests
21:27.35captain_protonstart with 0x100, >>/<< 16, >>/<< 8, >>/<< 4, >>/<<2, >>/<< 1, you're done =)
21:29.05Patlabor2211that is more slick
21:31.58Patlabor2211hmm I shoudl probably use a memory DC
21:32.14Patlabor2211how does BZ store it's font spacing data?
21:32.23Noodleman_workhttp://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2923848827
21:32.26Noodleman_workhaha
21:33.58Patlabor2211funny
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21:34.51Skipphello
21:35.28Patlabor2211ha, it turned out to be 8 tests to get from 8 to 1024 anyway, instead of the bit shift
21:35.30Patlabor2211hello
21:35.32Secret_Hamsterwell I'm off to bed.  Long day moving trolleys tomorrow
21:35.37Skipphey Patlabor
21:35.44Skippanyone for a match?
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23:35.27Noodleman_workmy homie just got a 1u rackmount server for 300 bucks
23:35.35Noodleman_workoff of ebay
23:35.41Noodleman_workit's pretty nice
23:36.01Patlabor221I got a joystick :)
23:36.06Noodleman_workhehe
23:36.12Noodleman_workfor 300 bucks?
23:36.18Patlabor221no for $20
23:36.22Noodleman_work:-P
23:36.33Patlabor221I spent the other $280 on porn
23:36.43Noodleman_workweirdo
23:36.52Patlabor221or maybe it was pie
23:36.54Patlabor221I don't remember
23:37.01Noodleman_workhah
23:37.15Patlabor221I have this wonderfull new joystick, and no drivers :(
23:37.43Patlabor221tho now that I think about it there probably were drivers on the CD that was with the other one
23:37.55Patlabor221but I sent it to cap, and UPS has it now
23:38.51Patlabor221but it'll be cool when dual stick is working :)
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23:41.21Patlabor221a steel batalion controller would be way cooler tho
23:41.34Noodleman_workkewl

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