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00:00.49larslYay, the /report command is working. =)
00:01.12larslWrites (optionally) to file, (optionally) piped to a program (I used xmessage) and to stdout.
00:01.35RahXephondoes it work on winderz ? :)
00:01.40larslI don't know.
00:01.44larslLet me wrap up a patch.
00:01.52RahXephontho not like people realy run servers on windows
00:02.38[STC]_creeperzLol, Jeff, when you enable the mouse, (by replacing the 0 with a 1?), it won't let you push any other key
00:02.42RahXephonwow there was an old screamers site at http://bakadigital.com/screamers
00:02.50[STC]_creeperzYup
00:03.02RahXephonit has now been fixed to a redirector
00:03.07[STC]_creeperzOk
00:03.20RahXephonwhen you use the mouse, yes you can not use they keyboard to drive
00:03.25RahXephonnot yet at least
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00:04.08RahXephonthe pimpdaddy input manager will take care of that when it's writen
00:04.22[STC]_creeperzDid yu put all of the options in the "Settings" menu?
00:04.32RahXephonno
00:04.36RahXephonthe menu only has some
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00:08.05RahXephoneven gave the chicken a shadow
00:09.07dougheckaaooh
00:12.01RahXephonif you want to try something besides coldet we can
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00:34.15larslAh, they've fixed SourceForge. The patch file was uploaded right away.
00:34.42Patlabor221ohh don't worry I'm sure they will break it again soon :)
00:35.24larslIf anyone wants to try the /report patch it's in the tracker. Windows and Mac people are especially welcome. =)
00:35.29larslTime to sleep.
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01:16.43[dmp]i think ducati just died.
01:18.24[dmp]no it didnt.
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01:18.34[dmp]i guess its bedtime..
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02:48.52[STC]_creeperzOh, man
02:49.11[STC]_creeperzI broke down and cried 3 times while watching I Am Sam
02:57.19[STC]_creeperzEveryone's busy?
03:14.07[STC]_creeperz~seen patlabor221
03:14.07patlabor221 <~jeffm@adsl-64-173-105-73.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2h 39m 25s ago, saying: 'ohh don't worry I'm sure they will break it again soon :)'.
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03:57.58[STC]_creeperzHi
04:04.43Patlabor221sup
04:04.58[STC]_creeperznot much
04:10.46[STC]_creeperzHmm, I suspect Vash is from the future
04:11.03[STC]_creeperzIf he hurtsa someone, he gets hurt...Very odd
04:18.29[STC]_creeperzNevermind, he tore open an old wound
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04:24.42[STC]_creeperzWell, I need to get to bed
04:24.46[STC]_creeperzGood night
05:17.10captain_protonyay he's gone
06:40.20lurgymanso, how 'bout them cardboard socks?
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06:51.12Patlabor221lurgy speaks?
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09:02.13dougheckagreetings
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09:27.05threehiya
09:29.04threewhen will version 1.8 be the main project?
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09:53.17dougheckagreetings
10:20.53mmu_manthree I heard it was abandonned
10:28.04threeah ok
10:28.13threeguessed that :)
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12:55.41larslBleh, modem users. I can't ban any of them without banning everyone else dialing up to that ISP. =P
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15:35.26dougheckahmm
15:35.40dougheckapretty cool when my little brother BEGS me to mow the lawn
15:37.37Patlabor2211why would he do that?
15:37.43dougheckadunno
15:37.53dougheckabut he just takes great joy in mowing the lawn
15:38.29Patlabor2211future gardeners of america?
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15:38.35Celllo
15:38.39dougheckahaha
15:39.08Patlabor2211or does he prefer the term "grounds keeper" ?
15:39.17dougheckahrm
15:39.26dougheckadunno
15:40.09dougheckahmm
15:40.17Celli knowhow to draw the faces that are not frstum culled without sorting and with a minimum of texture bindings(or shader bindings) changes
15:40.30Celli thought that up myself
15:40.38dougheckaas a ham, I can get myself an IP
15:40.39doughecka:)
15:41.17CellPatlabor2211: how is dynamic lightning doen?
15:41.21Celldone
15:41.41Celli mean the like the bullets reflect in bzflag?
15:41.46dougheckacheese
15:41.46Patlabor2211with lights
15:41.51Patlabor2211that are dynamic
15:41.55dougheckaooh, thats right
15:42.04Cellopengl allows 8 lights?
15:42.26Patlabor2211at one time yes
15:42.30Cellah
15:42.55Patlabor2211you have the code, look at it
15:43.03Patlabor2211and you know how it's done
15:43.03Cellhm but that needs a good tesselation?
15:43.16Patlabor2211you've looked at it before
15:43.23Cellyou mean the bzflag code?
15:43.26Patlabor2211yes
15:43.32Patlabor2211and you've asked about it here
15:43.40Cellno i want to know how the game dev guys do it
15:43.57Cellnot how bzflag does it
15:44.04Patlabor2211there are a lot of ways
15:44.07Patlabor2211go read
15:44.08dougheckawhen in game dev, do as the game devs do
15:45.20Patlabor2211most common method is chicken maps
15:45.32dougheckabwauk
15:45.40Cellis it an option to generate the static world mesh in a modeler/editor annd then light it texture it and so on and then make a map(render to texture)
15:45.51Patlabor2211and tri linar goat bumping
15:45.58dougheckalol
15:46.14Patlabor2211that would look like ass cell
15:46.19Cellwhy?
15:46.30Patlabor2211it woudl be static
15:46.33Patlabor2211as a texture
15:46.39Patlabor2211please think before you speak
15:48.49Celloh, im not talking about the dynamic lights any more, im talking now about organic llokink texture, organic means that there are soft transitions between different textures and there is not much of a texture repeating in all over the walls(tiling)
15:49.06Patlabor2211organic means gookie
15:49.08Patlabor2211and wet
15:49.38Celli want to avoid it to have sharp transitions (edges) between adjacent polygons that have different textures
15:49.41Patlabor2211there are many mehtods of doing texture blending
15:49.44Patlabor2211so blend them
15:49.52Patlabor2211all terain engines do it
15:49.53Patlabor2211go read
15:49.59Cellah
15:50.45Cellbut if i model the scene in 3dstudio and texture it , i want to get it 1to 1 to my game
15:50.55Cellthat should bepossible
15:51.07Patlabor2211if max won't do multiple texture layers then it sucks
15:51.14Patlabor2211and it's not a game level editor
15:52.01Celltherefore i thought i should render it alll to ta texture
15:52.28Cellso but im concerned that would look cheap
15:52.29Patlabor2211that's the lazy way
15:52.34Patlabor2211it will
15:52.37Patlabor2211multi pass
15:52.40Patlabor2211go read
15:59.41Cellmulti pass is even more difficult to handel since it need much more texture bindings
16:00.03Patlabor2211posibly better then loading a large texture
16:00.14Cellhm
16:01.24Cellwhat world editor do you use?
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16:01.34Patlabor2211I don't do multi blends
16:01.40Patlabor2211if I did, I would make my own
16:01.48Patlabor2211cus there woudl need to be a format to hold it
16:02.06Cellah
16:02.27Patlabor2211this is why engines that suport stuff like that have there own editors
16:02.53Cellmaybe i should do vertex coloring and make the tesselation higher
16:03.12Patlabor2211thats one way
16:04.05Celldo you use display list for world geometry?
16:05.08Patlabor2211depends on what it is
16:05.11Patlabor2211some objects do
16:05.25Patlabor2211each object knows the best way to store it'self
16:05.44Cellyou put the texture bindings into the list too
16:05.49Patlabor2211no
16:05.55Patlabor2211that would be stupid
16:05.56Patlabor2211you know that
16:06.09Celldigiben does
16:06.18Patlabor2211and this affects me how?
16:06.30Celldono
16:06.34Patlabor2211so now you care what other people do?
16:06.48Cellyes i have to learn
16:07.09Patlabor2211but you said you didn't care at all about other people.
16:07.15Cellcheating
16:07.36Cellthis has nothign to do with cheating
16:07.54Patlabor2211hypocrite.
16:08.14Cellno i would not ask you i i would not care
16:08.44Cellbut i do
16:08.47Patlabor2211well you seem so hung up on the buzwords, why don't you just use an "imersion engine"
16:08.58Patlabor2211or the "starfish design"
16:09.26Celli will use cs
16:09.42Cellcrystallspace
16:09.43Patlabor2211of course you will
16:09.51Patlabor2211till you find something with more buzzwords
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16:13.03fiberchunkslo! where's stats at these days?
16:13.03Celli render only the gradient maps to texture using a low res
16:13.14Patlabor2211hardware issues
16:13.26fiberchunksah -- any expected time to back up?
16:13.35Patlabor2211noodle says it won't stay running for much time at all
16:13.42Patlabor2211no, cus he's moving soon too
16:13.48fiberchunksah, ic
16:13.51Patlabor2211I've offerd to host it for him
16:13.58Patlabor2211but he does not know if he can get the data off.
16:14.11fiberchunkshave him send you the HD
16:14.28fiberchunksor send it to moi
16:14.43Patlabor2211I said for him to just put it into another machine
16:14.48Patlabor2211I know he has one
16:15.17fiberchunksyeah, that works too (duh ;) )
16:15.29Patlabor2211I found the perfect replacement machine for the current webserver
16:15.36Patlabor2211going to try to aquire it today
16:16.41fiberchunkscool -- what flavor?
16:16.57Patlabor22111.3 gig P4 with 512 megs of rambuss stuff
16:17.07fiberchunkseeeewwwwww, rambus
16:17.11Patlabor2211I know
16:17.14Patlabor2211but it's free
16:17.21fiberchunksj/k
16:17.23Patlabor2211and it's faster then the P2 400
16:17.31fiberchunkswould hope so
16:17.35Patlabor2211I would prefrer something with DDR
16:17.47Patlabor2211but it's not like I will update the machine
16:17.55Patlabor2211and 512 should be enough
16:17.57prot-workfiberchunks: whats wrong with rambus?
16:18.00dougheckaI hope
16:18.25Patlabor2211spensive
16:18.31fiberchunkswell, from what I remember -- there were massive legal issues with it a while ago -- not sure about the architectural details of it however
16:18.32Patlabor2211and the pair thing
16:18.54Patlabor2211rambus was a lawsuit happy company for a while
16:19.00fiberchunksbetween who, samsung and someone else (can't remember)
16:19.01Patlabor2211they seem to have calmed down
16:19.06prot-workthe pair thing is the only real disadvantage
16:19.08dougheckaisnt there a Rmbus to sdram adaptor?
16:19.18prot-workbut because its pairs they stripe memory access to increase speed
16:19.21prot-workdoughecka: no
16:19.24dougheckaoh
16:19.33Patlabor2211rambis inc requires you to be a "licensee" to be able to make rims
16:19.38Patlabor2211that's what the big todo was
16:19.42prot-workthe big issue is that putting DDR on a p4 is a really stupid thing to do
16:19.52fiberchunkswhyfore?
16:19.58prot-workits just about the best way to cripple the chip
16:20.02fiberchunksah
16:20.09prot-work(p4 depends on rambus' memory bandwidth)
16:20.11Patlabor2211well the DDR P4s with via chipsets run faster then the rambuss P4's with intell chipsets
16:20.14Patlabor2211here at least
16:20.34Patlabor2211but with the new ones I agree
16:21.04Patlabor2211you need the PC1066whatever to get the full P4 bus speed
16:21.05prot-workfiberchunks: so you could burn a hole in your lap? ;)
16:21.19fiberchunkslol -- yeah - I need the heat :)
16:21.37Patlabor2211P4's with SDram is even more funny
16:21.54dougheckalol
16:21.55fiberchunksalthough, my p4 is quite hot as it is - must use wood board to keep it off the thighs
16:22.25dougheckafiberchunks: imagin a beowulf cluster of those heating houses
16:22.33Patlabor2211think I'll be able to just do a drive swap to the P4?
16:22.42dougheckacya
16:23.54prot-workthe entire idea of 'desktop-strength-laptops' bothers me
16:24.06prot-worknot only are they too hot to hold on your lap, but the things are huge
16:24.14dougheckacool, I just got a packet modem for 42 bucks that costs 119 brand new
16:24.31dougheckahrm, I would like one of them laptops that are really tiny
16:24.32Patlabor2211yeah my "desktop replacement" laptop is huge
16:24.53Patlabor2211I still want to try the tablet ones
16:25.22dougheckaI dont need horsepower, I need portability, if I want desktop power, I would get a desktop
16:25.36prot-workthe one thing i can see in a tablet is that you can doodle
16:25.53Patlabor2211many are presure sinsitive too
16:26.13prot-workthe way they're advertising that you can take notes longhand is preposterous
16:26.18Patlabor2211and that's what I want it for, takin notes and looking at docs
16:26.26dougheckahaha
16:26.32Patlabor2211I don't want the text rectioginion
16:26.36Patlabor2211I'm cool with bitmap
16:26.45Patlabor2211cus often my notes have pictures and stuff
16:26.55Patlabor2211geometrics and such
16:27.32Patlabor2211but I'll probably just get a new video card first
16:27.41Patlabor2211I have to get rid of this Radeon 9700
16:28.08prot-workhmm
16:28.17Patlabor2211problably blow 100 on a little FX or something
16:28.29prot-workwhy hasn't some motherboard company started making ones with dual AGP?
16:28.51Patlabor2211problably cus all the cards these days are doin dual on the same card.
16:28.59Patlabor2211and would it work?
16:29.15prot-workyou'd need another PCI bridge, and some weird arbitration on AGP memory, but i don't see any reason why it shouldn't
16:29.30Patlabor2211probably just demand then
16:32.23Patlabor2211I take it you just want dual monitors cap?
16:32.28Patlabor2211get one otf these
16:32.28Patlabor2211http://www.buyxtremegear.com/evgafx5200.html
16:33.17Patlabor2211or does your GF3 have a DVI connector?
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16:33.46Patlabor2211cus there is an adaptor
16:34.32prot-workheh
16:35.04prot-workwhile i do want dual monitors, i'm asking from more of a "why not?" point of view
16:35.11Patlabor2211ahhhh
16:35.23Patlabor2211wire one up
16:35.54prot-workif i were to go dualhead, i'd do it right and get an FX and a second P1110
16:36.11Patlabor2211p1110?
16:36.21Patlabor2211your monitor?
16:36.22prot-workdelly 21
16:36.39prot-worksame one you have iirc
16:36.41Patlabor2211the monitor I want is 7.5 grand
16:36.48Patlabor2211the dell one?
16:36.59Patlabor2211nice flat tube
16:37.09prot-workwhat monitor is that?
16:37.34Patlabor2211flatpannel that does 3600something byt 2400
16:37.35Patlabor2211:)
16:37.47prot-workooooooooooooooooo
16:38.08Patlabor2211http://www.viewsonic.com/products/lcd_vp2290b.htm
16:38.18Patlabor221122.2 inches 16x10 aspect
16:38.27Patlabor2211need one of those
16:38.40Patlabor2211and 2 19 flat pannels next to it
16:38.47Patlabor2211then I could work
16:41.28prot-workbet that thing looks really sharp
16:41.47prot-workespecially with subpixel smoothing
16:42.26Patlabor2211yeah
16:42.26doughecka:)
16:42.42Patlabor2211too bad it's spensive
16:43.07Patlabor2211would sure help with todays task
16:44.33dougheckaugh
16:44.41Patlabor2211long PrevFeatNum(CPath *path, long lFeature, CPostFeature &feature)
16:45.01prot-workcopying and pasting?
16:45.01prot-workyick
16:45.12Patlabor2211yeah
16:45.34Patlabor2211old code just was allways put into the same files
16:45.43Patlabor2211so we had pUtil.cpp
16:45.49Patlabor2211pOldUtils.cpp
16:45.55Patlabor2211pOldUtils2.cpp
16:46.11Patlabor2211so I'm moving them to more logical files
16:46.29Patlabor2211pPathUtils, pOpUtils ect...
16:46.48Patlabor2211so lotsy of the copy and paste
16:47.02prot-workyukyuk
16:47.06Patlabor2211yeah
16:47.11Patlabor2211has to be done tho
16:47.41Patlabor2211and I'm cleaning up any pascall to C artifacts that I stil find
16:47.44prot-workyukyukyuk
16:47.47Patlabor2211like the freaking WITHs
16:49.37prot-workwhat really bothers me is that WinMain *needs* to be declared as a pascal-type function
16:50.03Patlabor2211yeah
16:50.12Patlabor2211old mac was that way too
16:50.36prot-workat least mac got rid of it
16:50.44Patlabor2211and what's even more sad...
16:50.52prot-workwindows is trying so hard to be compatible with itself that its an enormous mess
16:50.59Patlabor2211our app has both a winmain, and a mac main :)
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16:53.52prot-workhmm
16:54.01prot-worki just heard from across the office
16:54.04prot-work"smack that keyboard!"
16:54.06prot-work"smack it hard!"
16:54.16Patlabor2211damn
16:54.29dougheckalol
16:54.30Patlabor2211as long as it's not followed by "you like that don'tcha"
16:55.32prot-workhehe
16:55.54prot-worki think they had that conversation because one of them was typing louder than usual
16:56.45Patlabor2211wow I had to make up a new word for this function
16:56.53Patlabor2211bool FeatIsPosable ( CFeature &feat );
16:57.33prot-workwowowow
16:57.45Patlabor2211cus that's the only thing that made sense
16:58.29prot-workwhat does "Posable" mean?
16:58.52Patlabor2211can return an XYZ postion
16:59.05Patlabor2211not all of our features have 3space components
16:59.07Patlabor2211some are flags
16:59.19Patlabor2211like these
16:59.19Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
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16:59.19Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
16:59.20Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
16:59.23Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
16:59.25Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
16:59.27Patlabor2211<PROTECTED>
17:00.00Patlabor2211they just get suck in the middle of a path
17:00.02prot-workwelp
17:00.05prot-worktime to bust this joint
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17:09.45Cellto check if two 3d shapes are not intersecting, you have to find a separating plane. If the 3d shapes are convex this saparating plane is quarantted to be one of the planes that define the sphapes(that define the convex space of the shape)?
17:11.23Patlabor2211read
17:11.31Celli did not find convex shapes that do not full fill that sttement but i am not 100% sure
17:14.40Cellfuck u
17:15.59Cellloosers
17:21.17Patlabor2211huh-freakin-zah
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18:31.52Patlabor2211whoot, got a shoutbox set up :)
18:34.19dougheckahah
18:34.26dougheckaon the web or just local?
18:37.58Patlabor2211http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/
18:40.35dougheckahrm
18:40.35dougheckayea
18:40.39dougheckakinda slow
18:41.09Patlabor2211yeah
18:41.15Patlabor2211but it's not suposed to be a fast thing
18:41.25dougheckayea
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19:27.28PerfectCelo
19:31.36PerfectCei have discovered that if you combine an octree with an hastable you can get the octree node that completle contains the viewing frustum from the x,y,z coordiantes by the 8 points of the that define the frustum fast as hell(constant time). That means you dont need to traverse the octree from start but only from the node that contains the frustum. This is really great for world s shere the frustum is much smaller than the world. On the other hand
19:33.01captain_protonhow can you hash on frustum position?
19:33.14PerfectCeeasy
19:33.51PerfectCeyou dont hash on frustum position, but you compute the key on the position
19:34.08PerfectCethe key is used for the hash fuction of the hashtable
19:34.31captain_protonwhat i mean is that either you lose a lot of precision or you waste a huge amount of memory
19:34.38PerfectCeno
19:34.47PerfectCei have to explain
19:35.16PerfectCefirst you build an octrre out of your static world data
19:35.28PerfectCethat is easy
19:36.10PerfectCeimagine that hte octrre has a depth of h
19:37.17PerfectCeif you code the octree nodes so that 000, ....111
19:38.00PerfectCeyou can get the code of the node a vertex is in by its x,y,z world pos
19:38.50PerfectCeyou need a function dor that, that is really easy, it maps each vertex to its node at fepth h(leaf node)
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19:39.33PerfectCebetter the function maps each vertex to its corresponding code which identifies the leaf node whaere the vertex is
19:40.02PerfectCesinc e you can assume that an octrre with depth h has only 20% of its nodes
19:40.14PerfectCeand the other 80 are empty
19:40.23PerfectCe(but this assumption is not necessary)
19:41.02PerfectCeyou can compute the code of the leaf node a vertex is in by the vertex's x,yz pos
19:41.35PerfectCethe code is the key for the has table that gives you the octrree node the vertex is in
19:41.39PerfectCethats it
19:41.43PerfectCeroughly
19:42.04PerfectCeif you have eight point you look
19:42.40PerfectCewhere the code of all 8 vertices is equal, that is the has key for the node the frustum is in
19:42.55PerfectCethat is so damn fast
19:44.24PerfectCebut for frustum culling its only of use if the world is much bigger than the frustum
19:45.13PerfectCebut its of great use if it comes to the question which objects(dynamics) pairs need to be tested for collision detection
19:46.21PerfectCehm i should post that on flipcode
19:48.33PerfectCeif the hash search is not successfully then you now that there are no static objects in the frustum ( fo exaple you are in the air, airpalne)so you dont need to render them only dynamics if any
19:49.44PerfectCeand a hash table access is the fastest by key access after an array(after has comes a tree) but for this the hash has to be at most 90%full
19:50.01PerfectCeafter that comes a tree
19:50.15PerfectCewhich has O(log(N)) access
19:54.04PerfectCequadric hashing or double hasing would be sufficient here
19:54.45blitz__LTdmaybe
19:55.02PerfectCe;)
19:55.26PerfectCeblitz can you code?
19:55.47blitz__LTdnot really
19:55.52blitz__LTdwhy
20:02.18Patlabor2211urp
20:03.30PerfectCewow, i thought up the fastest frustum culling ever
20:03.56Noodleman_workm00z0rZ
20:03.59captain_protonPerfectCe: until you've implemented it, you have no idea if its any faster than anything else
20:04.28Patlabor2211is it faster then cheeze?
20:04.44Noodleman_workchhheeEEEEEEEEeeeese!
20:04.55Patlabor2211behold the power of cheese
20:06.05PerfectCethe speed just depens on the hash table
20:06.16PerfectCewhich we know
20:07.20Patlabor2211whoot something is in initalised! :)
20:08.04PerfectCe?
20:12.37Patlabor2211methinks gravity is backwardds
20:13.09PerfectCeah
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20:13.59captain_protonBlitz_LTd: you msged me?
20:14.09Blitz_LTdyea
20:14.26PerfectCei also discovered how to draw polys of the staic world that are in the frustum with out sorting by texture(shader id) with minimum texture binding changes
20:14.56PerfectCeboth together will speed my editor
20:15.05PerfectCespeed up
20:15.21Patlabor2211cell, you called us losers, then told us to go "f**k off" and now you expect to talk to us?
20:15.28Patlabor2211what are you smoking?
20:15.47PerfectCei was in bad mode
20:15.53Patlabor2211so
20:15.59PerfectCedont take that serious
20:16.00Patlabor2211no apologies
20:16.01Patlabor2211nothing
20:16.05Patlabor2211how rude is that
20:16.27PerfectCeok i apologize Mr Patlabor2211 and #bzflag
20:16.42captain_protonPerfectCe: its awfully naive of you to expect us to like you just because you were "in bad mode" and acted like an ass
20:17.16PerfectCeis it so badly
20:17.32captain_protonerr..after these "critical updates" install
20:19.51PerfectCefuck u
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20:20.03*** kick/#bzflag [PerfectCe!DavidTrowb@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU] by captain_proton (captain_proton)
20:20.13Patlabor2211he is so dumb
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20:21.56PerfectCeyou still seem to tak ethat serious
20:21.59PerfectCebrb
20:22.00captain_protonPerfectCe: i try to keep this channel livable for everyone
20:22.06captain_protonand if you act like an ass, you get to leave
20:22.11PerfectCek
20:22.29captain_protonsome of us actually use irc for useful things, unlike your NEVER ENDING crap
20:23.00PerfectCeback
20:23.04PerfectCewhat crap?
20:23.22captain_protonyou need to grow up and realize that your actions DO have repercussions, and that if you piss us off you can't expect to come back and have us love you
20:24.04captain_protonthats all i'm going to say
20:24.05captain_protonnow behave
20:24.35PerfectCedisgustingly, i dont need your love, bah
20:25.13captain_protonPerfectCe: honestly, why do you hang out here? you don't like us, we don't like you, and you never talk about bzflag
20:25.38PerfectCeyou never talk about it too, maybe 5 %
20:25.39captain_protonrebootski time
20:26.10PerfectCefuck u fuck u
20:26.12PerfectCefuck u
20:26.15PerfectCehaha
20:26.17PerfectCefuck u
20:26.19PerfectCefuck u
20:26.26PerfectCehaha
20:26.31PerfectCehe cant kick
20:26.34PerfectCefuck
20:26.35PerfectCeu
20:26.38PerfectCefuck u
20:27.29Patlabor2211huh, he just restarted to windows
20:27.32Patlabor2211he will be back
20:27.36PerfectCeah
20:27.39PerfectCelooser
20:27.44Patlabor2211damn how sad can you get
20:27.54Patlabor2211is this all you do for fun?
20:28.19PerfectCePatlabor2211: you are a slimer
20:28.52Patlabor2211slimer?  as in I lose weight?
20:28.55PerfectCebootlicker
20:29.08PerfectCei know that
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20:29.37PerfectCehi captain_pistachi
20:31.16PerfectCecaptain_proton: is Patlabor2211 a bootlicker?
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20:32.33PerfectCethis is all so educational
20:32.56Patlabor2211no I'm not German
20:33.12PerfectCei am not german too
20:33.21PerfectCebut i live there
20:33.26PerfectCehaha
20:33.43Patlabor2211so they do let asses into the country
20:34.01PerfectCeno i havent seen u here
20:34.06PerfectCeactually not
20:35.21Patlabor2211well enough of this EVER so stimulating conversion, time to get something done.
20:35.36PerfectCegod i learned pretty nice english her with in 10 months, i should join a spanish channel next
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20:36.40Patlabor2211cap do you have any issues with the pod continuing to spin, and climb in space?
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20:38.42Noodleman_workcell is quite the crapola :-)
20:40.15Patlabor2211M,y my, this here anakin guy, maybe vader, someday later, now he's just a small fry. He left his home and kissed his moomie goodbye, sayin soon I'm gonna be a Jedi.
20:40.47Noodleman_workhehe
20:41.10Patlabor2211forgot how funny that song was.
20:41.26Noodleman_worksounds like weird al
20:41.29Noodleman_work:-)
20:41.34Patlabor2211tis
20:41.41Patlabor2211have you heard it?
20:41.45Noodleman_worknope
20:41.57Noodleman_work"If you understand English, press 1. If you do not understand English, press 2." -- From a recording on an Australian information line, which was set up to answer questions about the new Goods and Services Tax plan.
20:42.28Patlabor2211are you in a place where you can listen to an Mp3?
20:42.37Noodleman_workno
20:42.56Patlabor2211well then you do, I can get it to you
20:42.58Patlabor2211it's funny
20:43.21captain_protonPatlabor2211: i'm gonna op you until i get back so you can fight back the cell
20:43.34Patlabor2211ok, noproblem
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20:44.13Noodleman_workder me-tooen?
20:44.19Noodleman_workhehe
20:44.51Patlabor2211"and in the end some gungans dies, ships blew up, and pilots fried"
20:45.35Noodleman_work"Rather burnt land slug." -- On a menu in Thailand.
20:45.47Patlabor2211eww
20:46.12Noodleman_work"Strawberry crap." -- From a menu in Japan.
20:46.37Patlabor2211ever been to engrish.com?
20:47.09Noodleman_worknope
20:47.09Noodleman_worki'll have to check it out
20:47.47Noodleman_work"The Big Liar" -- "Nixon" in Hong Kong.
20:47.49Patlabor2211has all kinds of funn stuff like that
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20:48.48Noodleman_workeww
20:48.50Noodleman_work"This will be of fine service for you, you bag of the scum. I am sure you will not mind that I remove your manhoods and leave them out on the dessert flour for your aunts to eat."
20:49.13Patlabor2211wow
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20:50.59Noodleman_worki can understand why he left :-)
20:51.10Patlabor2211LOL
20:51.18Patlabor2211and skipp is a she, iirc
20:51.25Noodleman_workoh
20:51.26Noodleman_workhaha
20:52.18Noodleman_worki hope that was badly interpreted
20:52.22Noodleman_work:-)
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20:59.33Noodleman_workgee
20:59.38Noodleman_workthat's a LOT of ram
21:00.03Patlabor2211yeah
21:00.17Patlabor2211and it's only a 250$ card
21:00.38Noodleman_workdo you remember me setting up that SMTP honeypot?
21:00.49Patlabor2211vaugely
21:00.57Noodleman_workit's quite popular :-P
21:01.06Patlabor2211coo
21:01.46Noodleman_workeven the supposedly legit relay testers are checking it out
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21:06.39Gorbhi
21:11.03Patlabor2211ahah my awesome admin powers have scared him away
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21:11.55[STC]_creeperzTim
21:14.48[STC]_creeperzLOL!
21:14.51[STC]_creeperzJeff is an op?
21:14.54[STC]_creeperzGo Jeff!
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21:15.14[STC]_creeperzHi
21:15.22Gorbhi
21:15.31[STC]_creeperzNot you! Just kidding
21:16.04Gorbanyway, hi
21:16.04Patlabor2211sup
21:16.11[STC]_creeperzGo Jeff!
21:16.14Patlabor2211hmm prolxy huh
21:16.19[STC]_creeperzAre you admin for Xmission?
21:16.52Patlabor2211no
21:16.59Patlabor2211but I'll be cell is cheating
21:17.02[STC]_creeperzDarn, you should be
21:17.09[STC]_creeperz~xmission
21:17.15[STC]_creeperz?
21:17.18[STC]_creeperz~xmission
21:17.36[STC]_creeperzHmm
21:17.38[STC]_creeperzmac?
21:19.40Patlabor2211ohh he's just angry, so he' s problaby off here cheating
21:19.46Patlabor2211but that was him anyway
21:19.53[STC]_creeperzAh
21:20.28[STC]_creeperzWhat is Jeff up to today?
21:21.07[STC]_creeperzI have a new quip for SBO/Noodledom thing
21:21.26[STC]_creeperz"How can you wonder what's in a Wonder Ball when they tell you on the commercials?"
21:21.57[STC]_creeperz~sbo
21:21.58http://stats.bzflag.org
21:22.04Patlabor2211it's still down
21:22.11[STC]_creeperzOk
21:22.15[STC]_creeperzI was checking
21:22.21[STC]_creeperzSorry
21:22.26Patlabor2211noodle mentioned keeping it down till he moved
21:22.32Patlabor2211I offerd to host for him
21:22.34[STC]_creeperzOh crap
21:22.43Patlabor2211but he may not be able to get the data off
21:22.45[STC]_creeperzThat will probally a month or so?
21:22.49Patlabor2211dono
21:22.52[STC]_creeperzHmm
21:22.58[STC]_creeperzI knew he was moving
21:23.08[STC]_creeperzSomething about land costing too much
21:23.16[STC]_creeperzHe's moving to Indiana?
21:23.34Patlabor2211he dosn't know yet
21:23.39[STC]_creeperzOh
21:23.56[STC]_creeperzHE told me that would be the most likely place they would end up moving to
21:24.05[STC]_creeperzIn which, he would live closer to me
21:24.38[STC]_creeperzI dad knows people that live in Bend, Oregon
21:24.57Patlabor2211I heard kentucky too
21:25.06[STC]_creeperzOh, Kentucky
21:25.15Patlabor2211he did not sound too happy about the prospect of moving
21:25.16[STC]_creeperzI knew it was one of the two
21:25.25[STC]_creeperzI hate to move
21:25.50[STC]_creeperzJust when yu feel a brake coming, you pack up, lose most of your friends, and move!
21:25.56[STC]_creeperzbreak*
21:26.22[STC]_creeperzI need more clothing
21:26.36[STC]_creeperzI'll go shopping for some later today or early tomorrow
21:28.42[STC]_creeperzWoah, the stuff that I spike my hair with is actually good for my hair!
21:28.59[STC]_creeperzNow I can go back to washing it once a day!
21:29.09[STC]_creeperzWashing your hair everyday is bad for it
21:29.35[STC]_creeperzOH NO!
21:30.08[STC]_creeperzI need to exit out of this
21:30.11[STC]_creeperzC yu
21:39.27Patlabor2211whoot, get a new P4
21:40.37Patlabor2211gig and a half of ram
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22:04.27*** topic/#bzflag by Noodleman_work -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 || http://BZFlag.org/ || http://list.BZFlag.org/ || http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag || http://stats.BZFlag.org/ (temporarily down, ETA in May)
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22:13.00Patlabor2211I tell ya i'll host :)
22:13.28Patlabor2211you can evern run nooldemail
22:13.29prot-workdoodeedoo
22:13.37Noodleman_worki'm gunna stay away from computers for the most part until i move
22:13.44Noodleman_workit's helping me to chill out
22:13.52*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ
22:14.01Patlabor2211ahh
22:14.04*** mode/#bzflag [-o Patlabor2211] by prot-work
22:14.05prot-work;)
22:14.06Patlabor2211proalaly for the best
22:14.19Noodleman_workhehe
22:15.16Noodleman_worki'm able to catch up on crash bandicoot, too :-)
22:15.24Noodleman_workold game, but i like it still
22:15.27Noodleman_work:-P
22:15.42Patlabor2211crush evil with your butt!
22:15.58Noodleman_worknever played atari 7800
22:16.05Noodleman_workdoes it play 2600 games?
22:16.07prot-workyup
22:16.12Noodleman_workkewl
22:16.15prot-workbut it was a lot more powerful
22:16.15Patlabor2211COMBAT! :)
22:16.18prot-workCOMBAT!
22:16.33prot-worki had the mario bros. game too =)
22:16.52Noodleman_workmario bros. on atari is something else
22:16.53Noodleman_workhehe
22:16.57Patlabor2211ok, so realy should I be able to pull the drive from asgard and stick it in a new macine and have it work?
22:17.01Noodleman_workmuch better on nintendo
22:22.10prot-workhmm
22:22.18prot-workapparently scanline kicked everyone's asses in COMBAT
22:22.22prot-worki'll need to teach him a lesson
22:24.43Noodleman_workall is silent in the ethereal nephelokokkigia of #bzflag
22:25.02Patlabor2211the what?
22:25.09Noodleman_work~dict ethereal
22:25.19Noodleman_work~dict nephelokokkigia
22:25.20Patlabor2211I know that wod
22:25.23Patlabor2211yeah that one
22:25.57Noodleman_workhttp://dictionary.reference.com/?query=nephelokokkigia
22:26.17Noodleman_worksry
22:26.31Noodleman_workhttp://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=nephelokokkigia
22:26.31Noodleman_workbah
22:26.36Noodleman_worknot in the dictionary
22:26.43Noodleman_workthat bites
22:27.38Noodleman_workhttp://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=cloud-cuckoo-land
22:27.42Noodleman_workthat works
22:28.33Patlabor2211I see
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22:33.27Noodleman_workwhenever i see your nick, it makes me think "moomoo man" :-)
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22:37.00Patlabor221peer had nothing to do with it
22:37.29Noodleman_workhehe
22:45.00prot-workhaha
22:45.06prot-worklinux has an xbox gamepad driver
22:45.12Noodleman_workyup
22:45.15Noodleman_workso'nuff
22:45.30Noodleman_worksho'nuff
22:45.39Noodleman_workgotta love typos
22:54.27dougheckahttp://www.engrish.com/
22:55.15Patlabor221they do, cool, I have tweaked pad, I'll have to try it
22:56.00Noodleman_workhttp://www.nanae.org/thank_the_spammers.html
22:56.20Noodleman_worki know all about those boneheads
22:56.26dougheckahheh
22:56.33Noodleman_workpostmaster@coinet.com
22:56.35Noodleman_work:-)
22:56.42dougheckalol
22:57.56Noodleman_workD347/-/ 7() 7h3 |30N3/-/34|}5!
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