irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030409

`00:02.00`	`Noodleman_work`	`cya l8r d00dz`
`00:02.07`	`doughecka`	`cya`
`00:02.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`C yu`
`00:02.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Ramstein (Ramstein@0-1pool186-40.nas22.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net)`
`00:02.59`	`Ramstein`	`Are there any admins here`
`00:03.02`	`doughecka`	`0-1pool186-40.nas22.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net`
`00:03.04`	`Ramstein`	`for ducati`
`00:03.11`	`doughecka`	`thats a long domain`
`00:03.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`SpoogebobSpermpants problem?`
`00:03.27`	`Ramstein`	`yep`
`00:03.31`	`Ramstein`	`howd you guess`
`00:03.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, let me guess`
`00:03.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tking and taking team flags to opponent's bases?`
`00:03.55`	`Ramstein`	`yea`
`00:04.01`	`doughecka`	`cuz hes famous for doing that`
`00:04.05`	`Ramstein`	`well I know he was killin his team lol`
`00:04.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He's a reject`
`00:04.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tell him to screw off and become an observer. He'll leave`
`00:04.27`	`Ramstein`	`then talkin bout the feelin that you get when you have cum in your ass`
`00:04.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You a guy?`
`00:04.58`	`Ramstein`	`yep`
`00:05.04`	`Ramstein`	`not a pleasant thought`
`00:05.12`	`Ramstein`	`maybe sponge bon has been in prison`
`00:05.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:05.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm :/`
`00:05.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or he's a reject`
`00:05.34`	`Ramstein`	`Hes got some issues`
`00:05.49`	`Ramstein`	`STC ..what team is that`
`00:06.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Spine Tinglaz Clan`
`00:06.09`	`Ramstein`	`Ever played a match`
`00:06.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes, but unofficial`
`00:06.25`	`Ramstein`	`Im part of the Scurvey Dogz`
`00:06.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm really just a watcher :)`
`00:06.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:06.34`	`Ramstein`	`You have a team`
`00:06.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:07.05`	`Ramstein`	`we are just startin out ... so maybe we otta spar`
`00:07.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maybe...But my teammates are relitavely inactive :/`
`00:07.48`	`Ramstein`	`yea that stinks`
`00:07.59`	`Ramstein`	`team coordination is key ...`
`00:09.54`	`Ramstein`	`well ... nice talkin to ya ... gtg`
`00:10.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye`
`00:10.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`00:10.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I caught him too late there`
`00:10.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to go find my mom`
`00:11.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB in a sec`
`00:11.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...or half an hour`
`00:13.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`Time to go home and unbreak some code`
`01:02.01`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-167-78-46.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`01:07.52`	`Patlabor221`	`dinner is made, second monitor hooked back up, music is on. Let the merging begin!`
`01:26.18`	`Patlabor221`	`proalbalby OS file`
`01:26.28`	`Patlabor221`	`or is it something new?`
`01:26.44`	`captain_proton`	`this is in collision`
`01:27.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`01:28.25`	`*** join/#bzflag DB_ (~DB7654321@chcgil2-ar7-4-63-251-154.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net)`
`01:30.03`	`captain_proton`	`hm i might have an idea`
`01:31.56`	`captain_proton`	`aha`
`01:37.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I love removing redundant code`
`01:44.07`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`01:44.09`	`captain_proton`	`sort of works`
`01:47.04`	`captain_proton`	`could be the transform is broken`
`01:47.29`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe, I never had anything to test it with`
`01:51.47`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`01:59.04`	`Patlabor221`	`CBaseWorldObject is so small now :(`
`02:04.18`	`captain_proton`	`to make it painfully obvious whats going on`
`02:04.34`	`Patlabor221`	`matrix = screwed?`
`02:04.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, time to watch some TV and throw a log in the fire`
`02:04.48`	`captain_proton`	`i dunno at this point`
`02:04.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`C yu, guys`
`02:05.18`	`captain_proton`	`it didn't work when i mirrored the matrix`
`02:05.33`	`Patlabor221`	`mirror or invert?`
`02:07.05`	`captain_proton`	`mirror along the diagonal`
`02:07.28`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe the matrix is the wrong matric and you want the inverse`
`02:07.35`	`captain_proton`	`possible`
`02:09.23`	`captain_proton`	`its still colliding with thin air`
`02:09.39`	`Patlabor221`	`on a box or a mesh?`
`02:09.54`	`captain_proton`	`only have boxes right now`
`02:10.00`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`02:10.10`	`Patlabor221`	`then my idea is moot :)`
`02:11.19`	`Patlabor221`	`"Bult a castle and it sank into the swamp"`
`02:11.55`	`captain_proton`	`if this doesn't work, i'm coding up a wireframe draw function for the collision volume`
`02:12.20`	`Patlabor221`	`should not be to hard`
`02:13.19`	`Patlabor221`	`well here goes one hella commit`
`02:13.37`	`captain_proton`	`uh oh`
`02:13.42`	`captain_proton`	`then i get to do the merge dance :)`
`02:13.48`	`Patlabor221`	`yup`
`02:14.25`	`Patlabor221`	`tho if you are doing stuff in the base world objet it shold not be too bad`
`02:14.29`	`Patlabor221`	`you will just have to rename`
`02:14.41`	`Patlabor221`	`as its not CBaseWorldObject.`
`02:15.10`	`Patlabor221`	`then when it works move it into the new CBaseObject class that everyone is derived from.`
`02:15.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it now has the collision memembers`
`02:15.31`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I think we need some more of those`
`02:16.40`	`Patlabor221`	`so tanks can know when they are shot in the same method`
`02:17.06`	`Patlabor221`	`now for the file stuff`
`02:21.13`	`captain_proton`	`ohh right`
`02:21.17`	`captain_proton`	`might help if i put in the transform`
`02:22.08`	`doughecka`	`There is more simplicity in the man who eats caviar on impulse than in the man who eats Grape-Nuts on principle.`
`02:23.10`	`captain_proton`	`and actually added the triangles to the list`
`02:24.40`	`Patlabor221`	`any reson 3dUtils.cpp isn't compiled with LGE?`
`02:24.52`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`02:25.36`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: um, it isn't?`
`02:26.19`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`02:26.26`	`Patlabor221`	`look at the scons scrtipt`
`02:26.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it has LGE, model and View`
`02:26.51`	`captain_proton`	`and 3dUtils`
`02:27.01`	`captain_proton`	`files = ['3dUtils.cpp',`
`02:27.01`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:27.01`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:27.01`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`02:27.34`	`Patlabor221`	`well I pulled model`
`02:27.39`	`Patlabor221`	`and the files from CVS`
`02:27.41`	`captain_proton`	`k`
`02:27.46`	`Patlabor221`	`since it's not used`
`02:27.48`	`captain_proton`	`i'm avoiding cvs uping until i figure this mess out`
`02:27.54`	`Patlabor221`	`makes sense`
`02:32.21`	`Patlabor221`	`whoops, so there was something in there that was used :)`
`02:32.25`	`Patlabor221`	`the font renderer`
`02:32.32`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like I'll need to move that`
`02:33.10`	`captain_proton`	`you could port ftgl from picogui =)`
`02:33.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I would like to`
`02:33.21`	`captain_proton`	`then we'd have gorgeous antialiased freetype fonts`
`02:33.22`	`Patlabor221`	`but later`
`02:33.34`	`captain_proton`	`s/free/true/`
`02:33.53`	`Patlabor221`	`one of the things on the list is a real font manager`
`02:36.32`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: is everything frustum culled?`
`02:36.44`	`Patlabor221`	`objects are yes`
`02:36.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it's not the most optimal way of doing it at the moment`
`02:37.19`	`Patlabor221`	`each object is asked if it's visible`
`02:37.40`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone just does bounding sphere tests now`
`02:42.06`	`Patlabor221`	`this is one of the places where it would be nice to have the bbox`
`02:44.20`	`captain_proton`	`does anything use the scale matrix?`
`02:44.32`	`captain_proton`	`because the scons translation can't have any scaling`
`02:44.37`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I know`
`02:44.49`	`Patlabor221`	`the mesh models do there own scaling at vertex interp time`
`02:44.57`	`Patlabor221`	`so they don't use the scale matrix`
`02:45.14`	`captain_proton`	`what about box?`
`02:45.20`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone else uses the scale to calualte it's geo, not the matrix`
`02:45.26`	`Patlabor221`	`since they are all paramaetric`
`02:45.36`	`Patlabor221`	`so no, I don't think glScale is called at all`
`02:46.06`	`Patlabor221`	`it's called 3 times`
`02:46.19`	`Patlabor221`	`1 for one of the environment variable skin passes`
`02:46.25`	`Patlabor221`	`1 for the UI`
`02:46.35`	`Patlabor221`	`and one for the font class`
`02:46.42`	`Patlabor221`	`so nothing you should it`
`03:10.28`	`Patlabor221`	`coldet dosn't open any files does it?`
`03:10.40`	`captain_proton`	`nope`
`03:13.27`	`Patlabor221`	`coo`
`03:13.45`	`Patlabor221`	`got the OSFile class working properly`
`03:14.00`	`Patlabor221`	`Texture loaders are using it for all File IO that they can.`
`03:14.26`	`Patlabor221`	`just have to chug thru and do them all`
`03:15.00`	`Patlabor221`	`tho if we go to a virtual file sytem will probably have to change sound, since it wants a pathname`
`03:45.37`	`*** join/#bzflag Ramstein (Ramstein@0-1pool186-40.nas22.tempe1.az.us.da.qwest.net)`
`03:55.00`	`Patlabor221`	`Whoot ! the OSFIle moveable basepath stuff works :)`
`03:55.06`	`captain_proton`	`ooo`
`03:55.19`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it's not a smart search yet`
`03:55.27`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to give it the base path`
`03:55.33`	`Patlabor221`	`but it at least folows it`
`03:55.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I'll put it as a config option`
`03:56.40`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`03:56.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`03:56.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Did I stutter?`
`03:56.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and I didn't even call Set working dir`
`03:57.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"No, but I think I heard a lisp in there"`
`03:57.10`	`Patlabor221`	`huh?`
`03:57.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, don't make me arresp you`
`03:57.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Home Movies`
`03:57.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`03:57.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, you're two hours before me`
`03:58.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So for you, in two hours TRIGUN will be on?`
`03:58.08`	`captain_proton`	`you live in the middle of the pacific ocean?`
`03:58.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me?`
`03:58.36`	`captain_proton`	`<[STC]_creeperz> Hmm, you're two hours before me`
`03:58.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I am +2 hours from Jeff`
`03:58.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Which means he is 2 time zones away`
`03:58.59`	`Patlabor221`	`I get east cost TV`
`03:59.08`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's not even hooked up now`
`03:59.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Meaning he must live west of me`
`03:59.26`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: then he's two hours behind`
`03:59.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`03:59.47`	`Patlabor221`	`you do know what way the earth spins`
`03:59.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`cap: That's what I said`
`04:00.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff: Were you talking to me?`
`04:00.11`	`captain_proton`	`you said "two hours before"`
`04:00.13`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm just talking :)`
`04:00.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:00.18`	`captain_proton`	`which would indicate that one of you lives in an ocean`
`04:00.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`04:00.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I live in SD`
`04:00.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He lives in CA`
`04:00.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I think he means my time is earlyer then his`
`04:00.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Two time zones`
`04:00.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:00.50`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: oh, thats that silly way of thinking about it`
`04:00.53`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`04:00.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I know`
`04:01.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's on...I'm in an akward position. I can't watch TV and play computer at the same time`
`04:01.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`C yu`
`04:01.27`	`captain_proton`	`thank god`
`04:01.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`04:01.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cap really doesn't like me that much...Do yu cap?`
`04:02.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`04:02.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's ok`
`04:02.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No one really befriends me`
`04:02.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't really make friends very easily`
`04:02.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I really don't give a rat's 455`
`04:03.34`	`Patlabor221`	`ok cap, when you cvs up just add a line with DataPath your/path/to/tag/on/`
`04:03.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and it'll start reading from there`
`04:05.53`	`captain_proton`	`sigh`
`04:05.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff: Do they get the plant back r\up and running?`
`04:05.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`up*`
`04:06.07`	`Patlabor221`	`what plant?`
`04:06.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The big, weird thing in town tht broke`
`04:06.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And they all are after Vash to fix it`
`04:06.47`	`Patlabor221`	`reemeber I said I had not seen any of them`
`04:06.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well, to get the money to fix it`
`04:06.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, yea`
`04:06.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sorry :/`
`04:07.05`	`Patlabor221`	`sarright`
`04:07.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!`
`04:08.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Vash keeps asking the princess to marry him :) She keeps talking about her plans for the plant`
`04:08.08`	`Patlabor221`	`now to fix the MOBList to work with parents`
`04:08.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I should watch those someday`
`04:08.34`	`Patlabor221`	`have many more on the list before that tho`
`04:08.43`	`Patlabor221`	`like all of the RahXephons`
`04:08.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's that?`
`04:09.06`	`Patlabor221`	`another anime`
`04:09.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Well I kinda had that basic thought`
`04:09.37`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a good one`
`04:09.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hh`
`04:09.45`	`Patlabor221`	`very Eva-esque`
`04:09.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What channel?`
`04:10.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I don't think it's on any channel`
`04:10.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I rarely watch anything on broadcast`
`04:10.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Online`
`04:10.35`	`Patlabor221`	`DVD man`
`04:10.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`04:11.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and I have to finish all the outlaw star eps`
`04:11.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What about Cowboy Beebop?`
`04:11.57`	`Patlabor221`	`I Have them all , it's very very good`
`04:12.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I wish that one was on earlier, though :-(`
`04:12.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Geez`
`04:12.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`04:12.18`	`Patlabor221`	`well it's rather violent in some cases`
`04:12.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:12.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and toon' network edits them`
`04:12.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ever see the previews for Malibu's Most Wanted?`
`04:12.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:12.41`	`Patlabor221`	`so I try not to watch that kinda stuff on thre channel`
`04:12.44`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`04:13.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's about a white guy...Well, kinda like Eminem`
`04:13.08`	`Patlabor221`	`cust cus you can't say "shit" on TV, pfttt what is up with that`
`04:13.17`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh someone who can't sing?`
`04:13.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`04:13.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:14.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You know there's something up with the world when the best golfer is black, the best rapper is white, and we're being hostile to Iraq`
`04:14.19`	`captain_proton`	`best rapper?`
`04:14.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Everyone likes Eminem`
`04:14.47`	`captain_proton`	`do they now?`
`04:14.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:15.25`	`Patlabor221`	`who is "everyone"`
`04:15.36`	`Patlabor221`	`cus that boy is stoopid`
`04:15.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`About half of the US`
`04:15.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:15.55`	`Patlabor221`	`well I allways say humans are stupud`
`04:16.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and I don't think it's that much`
`04:16.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh, we only use about 10% of our brains`
`04:16.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:16.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`1/4 maybe`
`04:18.05`	`Patlabor221`	`that's problaby even too much`
`04:19.22`	`Patlabor221`	`but he's just an anger "rapper"`
`04:19.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:19.32`	`Patlabor221`	`no point to anything he says`
`04:19.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Poor trailer-trash white boy who's mother can't accept him for who he is`
`04:20.06`	`Patlabor221`	`huh? he's from the suburbs man`
`04:20.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`04:20.13`	`Patlabor221`	`all that crap is made up by the record company`
`04:20.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it's soo funny`
`04:20.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`04:21.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is Vash magical?`
`04:21.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know`
`04:21.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:21.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nevermind`
`04:21.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He's just insane`
`04:21.34`	`Patlabor221`	`watch and see`
`04:21.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He fixed it!`
`04:22.07`	`Patlabor221`	`umm ok, whatever`
`04:23.26`	`Patlabor221`	`ha friend of mine works at MS now, and one of the products in his bug databse is "halo"`
`04:23.35`	`Patlabor221`	`told him he sould submit one`
`04:23.42`	`Patlabor221`	`"Mac version does not exist"`
`04:23.53`	`captain_proton`	`hehe`
`04:24.03`	`Patlabor221`	`see if they fix it :)`
`04:25.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Vash was the indirect cause of the girl's parent's deaths`
`04:25.13`	`Patlabor221`	`friend of mine at work who is a total mac head, who was also friends with the friend who moved to washington and got the MS job, just kees saying to him "your dead to me Michael, Dead to me!"`
`04:28.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Sorry, guys. I need to get some sleep!`
`04:28.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`C yu`
`04:29.03`	`Patlabor221`	`when I have kids`
`04:29.08`	`captain_proton`	`at long last`
`04:29.12`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm gonna log there internet usage`
`04:29.19`	`Patlabor221`	`and make for damn sure they are not like that`
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`05:13.11`	`Patlabor221`	`tis the scan man`
`05:13.13`	`Patlabor221`	`or not`
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`06:08.19`	`Ramstein`	`hey kr`
`06:08.56`	`KR`	`hey hey yo yo :)`
`06:09.10`	`KR`	`keeping an eye out for Dave to join`
`06:09.42`	`Ramstein`	`ahh I see`
`06:09.52`	`KR`	`you know what the =o and +a maebns by the names list?`
`06:09.55`	`Ramstein`	`man I couldnt believe I took 3 on at once`
`06:09.57`	`KR`	`oops +o`
`06:10.00`	`Ramstein`	`no`
`06:10.11`	`Ramstein`	`@`
`06:10.19`	`Ramstein`	`maybe admins`
`06:10.33`	`Ramstein`	`I recognize the name Riker`
`06:10.43`	`Ramstein`	`I think some worlds are his`
`06:11.42`	`KR`	`ducati is chestals`
`06:11.49`	`Ramstein`	`I c`
`06:12.00`	`Ramstein`	`Waht team was dave a part of`
`06:12.01`	`KR`	`Daves onboard :)`
`06:12.09`	`KR`	`he was trying to start a new one`
`06:12.21`	`KR`	`we must have talked a couple weeks ago`
`06:12.31`	`Ramstein`	`cool`
`06:13.03`	`KR`	`hes pretty good - and seems to be the kind of person who will take match pla serious`
`06:13.08`	`KR`	`play`
`06:13.13`	`Ramstein`	`MAn I cant believe that I took 3 on and beat em for a bit`
`06:13.20`	`Ramstein`	`sweet`
`06:13.31`	`KR`	`heh - cool :)`
`06:13.42`	`Ramstein`	`felt pretty damn good lol`
`06:13.50`	`KR`	`was one of them "code" - hes a serios lagger`
`06:13.56`	`Ramstein`	`probably`
`06:14.18`	`Ramstein`	`I was like hey .. someone go red lol`
`06:14.22`	`Ramstein`	`then killed 3`
`06:14.25`	`Ramstein`	`all 3`
`06:14.33`	`Ramstein`	`before dyin`
`06:14.34`	`KR`	`i msged dave to see if he has IRC - tilld him we were here`
`06:14.36`	`KR`	`told`
`06:14.51`	`KR`	`thats what I was laughing about -`
`06:14.55`	`KR`	`killin spree`
`06:14.57`	`KR`	`:)`
`06:15.00`	`Ramstein`	`ha ha`
`06:15.03`	`Ramstein`	`you play Halo`
`06:15.10`	`Ramstein`	`Running riot`
`06:15.11`	`Ramstein`	`lol`
`06:15.13`	`KR`	`no never - whats it like?`
`06:15.23`	`Ramstein`	`Its actually pretty cool`
`06:15.35`	`Ramstein`	`A group of my friends get together on Sat night`
`06:15.46`	`Ramstein`	`get 4 x boxes and link them together`
`06:15.56`	`Ramstein`	`and play against each other .... up to 16`
`06:16.04`	`KR`	`that sounds cool`
`06:16.08`	`KR`	`fragfest`
`06:16.16`	`Ramstein`	`They have various weapons and levls and you kill each other`
`06:16.20`	`Ramstein`	`its pretty cool`
`06:16.28`	`KR`	`I need to put BZ on my laptop - I could do 2 players here at home`
`06:16.30`	`Ramstein`	`they have some levels with vehichles`
`06:17.07`	`Ramstein`	`that would be cool /....`
`06:17.17`	`Ramstein`	`just dont hit the keyboard lol`
`06:18.47`	`KR`	`actually need to set the laptop up again, repartition wtc`
`06:18.51`	`KR`	`etc`
`06:18.58`	`KR`	`get her in tip-top shape`
`06:19.16`	`KR`	`have you been to the BZ Centrum site?`
`06:20.07`	`Ramstein`	`The other day I did go there`
`06:20.52`	`KR`	`Dave had a post under "Leagues" where he was looking for teammebers - check it out, you'll see how he thinks a bit - pretty neat - was going to "test" team applicants :)`
`06:21.04`	`Ramstein`	`Ahhh I c`
`06:21.05`	`KR`	`good idea, I've learned :)`
`06:21.10`	`Ramstein`	`yea lol`
`06:21.11`	`KR`	`I shoulda :)`
`06:21.16`	`Ramstein`	`Oh well`
`06:21.36`	`Ramstein`	`Where is he located`
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`06:23.01`	`bomber_`	`moin`
`06:23.26`	`Ramstein`	`hey bomber`
`06:37.33`	`TimRiker`	`+o == @ == channel operator if that's what you are asking.`
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`07:03.46`	`Patlabor221`	`well cap, I just commited, so CVS up if you want some newness, I'm off to bed.`
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`10:44.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`10:44.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Everyone must be asleep still`
`10:45.39`	`Chestal`	`morning`
`10:45.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey`
`10:45.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, yes. You live in Sweden`
`10:48.34`	`Chestal`	`not quite`
`10:48.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No?`
`10:48.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where do you live again?`
`10:48.53`	`Chestal`	`at least you got the continent right :-)`
`10:48.56`	`Chestal`	`Germany`
`10:49.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohh`
`10:49.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff told me you lived in Sweden`
`10:49.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`10:49.17`	`Chestal`	`who's Jeff?`
`10:49.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Patlabor221`
`10:50.01`	`Chestal`	`ah, well, don't know why he thinks that. Although I got the impression that a quite a few bzflag players are Scandinavian`
`10:50.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`10:50.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know that there are quite a few English people, too! :-0`
`10:50.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-) *`
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`10:50.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Umm, paul didn't say anything`
`10:51.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or was it in a priv?`
`10:53.32`	`paul`	`eh?`
`10:53.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`private message`
`10:53.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, my mistake :)`
`10:54.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`
`11:02.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, nevermind, Chestal. Jeff told me that larsl is from Sweden.`
`11:08.27`	`Chestal`	`ah, whatever, I've never been to Sweden, butit's probably a nice country`
`11:09.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just thought you were larsl...but not for some reason`
`11:09.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm going to turn up the fire...Cold in here`
`11:09.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's 6:15 A.M. here`
`11:11.31`	`Chestal`	`you should be in bed right now`
`11:11.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just woke up`
`11:26.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who wants to see my new image I just made? Well, edited`
`11:26.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`11:26.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I NEED FOOD!`
`11:26.21`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: have any idea why valoche wrote a custom session handling for the site?`
`11:26.46`	`Chestal`	`[dmp]: hmm, no. I think I remenmber some initial problems with session handling, but can't really say`
`11:27.52`	`Chestal`	`avidemux scheint das nicht zu k�nnen`
`11:27.54`	`Chestal`	`oops`
`11:28.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Site?`
`11:28.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~x und avidemux scheint das nicht zu k�nnen`
`11:29.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`11:29.33`	`[dmp]`	`51% of all matches played, involves HoW as one of the teams.. Darn :-)`
`11:29.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`GEEZ!`
`11:30.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I had a HoW member sub for my teammate`
`11:30.16`	`[dmp]`	`who?`
`11:30.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can't remember`
`11:30.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I will check their team...See if it jogs me`
`11:36.12`	`[dmp]`	`how: me, calico, strayer, rembo, big barrel, crash, mirella`
`11:41.55`	`Chestal`	`dmp: saw you beat NNN yesterday?`
`11:42.23`	`Chestal`	`NNN's performance so far isn't that impressive, maybe they need more training in 2-2 matches and should play easieropponents for now`
`11:42.46`	`Chestal`	`dmp: we must arrange a match, maybe on Sunday?`
`11:43.08`	`Chestal`	`dmp: did you already copy the database contents?`
`11:44.01`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: Yes. We had some lag issues. .. :-\ Anyway, i still think they are hard, but not as good as i would expect. But I dont see them much anyway.`
`11:44.53`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: When can you guys play? we normally play late at night.. And yes, i've got everything. Have installed it locally and is splitting the file into smaller ones..`
`11:45.26`	`Chestal`	`how do you copy contents of mysql tables btw.?`
`11:46.04`	`Chestal`	`well, it's hard to get hold of my teammates lately, bes tchances usually on the weekend. And Ipobably won't be available before SUnday, because I have to go to the cinema each night :-)`
`11:46.17`	`[dmp]`	`Chestal: My "problem" is currently that there is alot of globals vars.. eg. session stuff.. I since php got a nice session interface i'm, thinking if i should use it or not.. Cannot see why valoche want to use his own..`
`11:46.19`	`[dmp]`	`mysqldump`
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`11:47.07`	`Chestal`	`does php's session interface use cookies? Valoche simple passed a sessionid as querystring?`
`11:47.23`	`[dmp]`	`it can do both`
`11:47.42`	`[dmp]`	`and you can tell it to use database, so you can make this "2 users online"`
`11:47.51`	`Chestal`	`hmm, really cannot remember what the problem was with php's own management`
`11:47.53`	`[dmp]`	`(normally it uses files for storing sessioninfo)`
`11:55.42`	`Chestal`	`emailed Valoche and included the session topic`
`11:57.10`	`creeperz`	`Ok?`
`12:34.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I gotta go`
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`13:42.39`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`14:25.53`	`bomber_`	`chestall: on ducati 3 tanks nr`
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`15:33.50`	`rooter`	`does anybody here know about game/Protocol.h?`
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`15:45.19`	`doughecka`	`'lo Patlabor2211`
`15:45.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`sup`
`15:47.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`asgard needs it's own smtp for BZBB :(`
`15:47.14`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`15:47.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`and I know not how to set it up`
`15:47.36`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`15:47.42`	`doughecka`	`~smtp`
`15:47.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`Simple Mail Transport Protocol`
`15:48.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`it's how you send mail`
`15:48.04`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`15:48.34`	`doughecka`	`wondrin if someone entered anything about it`
`15:50.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`I was hopin to find noodle or Jorm and see if I could con them into helpin :)`
`15:50.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`I'd also like to have bakadigital mail addressed`
`15:50.54`	`Patlabor2211`	`but that's not as important`
`15:50.59`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`15:52.35`	`Patlabor2211`	`hooked up all sorts of coolness last night :), there is a flag on the tank now`
`15:52.43`	`doughecka`	`http://www.experts-exchange.com/Operating_Systems/Linux/Q_20443680.html`
`15:52.47`	`doughecka`	`cool!`
`15:54.25`	`Patlabor2211`	`hmm they asume I have sendmail set up`
`15:54.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`I don't think I do`
`15:54.46`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`15:54.50`	`doughecka`	`its giving errors`
`15:55.05`	`doughecka`	`Tortoise Tip: One or more of your files has a conflict. This means that`
`15:55.05`	`doughecka`	`someone else has altered the same part of the file as you. Look above for`
`15:55.05`	`doughecka`	`the files marked "C ", and manually edit them to resolve the conflict.`
`15:55.06`	`Patlabor2211`	`on what?`
`15:55.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`ohh get a CVS clean`
`15:55.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`go to "update special"`
`15:55.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`and chose "clean"`
`15:55.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`or I should just update the release build`
`15:56.20`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`15:58.02`	`captain_proton`	`yay for a new hikaru`
`15:58.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`hikaru? as in the redhead from rayearth?`
`15:58.34`	`captain_proton`	`no`
`15:58.37`	`captain_proton`	`as in the anime about go`
`15:58.41`	`captain_proton`	`"hikaru no go"`
`15:58.59`	`Patlabor2211`	`oh`
`15:59.35`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`15:59.44`	`doughecka`	`how do I switch to diferent views?`
`15:59.59`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: sacrifice a goat`
`16:00.05`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`16:02.21`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`16:03.09`	`Patlabor2211`	`F1->F3`
`16:03.12`	`Patlabor2211`	`and F5 and F6`
`16:03.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`and the goat`
`16:03.36`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`16:03.36`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`16:04.02`	`doughecka`	`handycap sign?`
`16:07.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`sure why not`
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`16:23.31`	`captain_proton`	LGE/LGE.h:172: `UINT' was not declared in this scope
`16:25.11`	`Patlabor2211`	`put it in a ifndef_Win32 thing`
`16:25.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`cus I can't have it`
`16:25.21`	`captain_proton`	`can't have what?`
`16:25.25`	`Patlabor2211`	`the uint`
`16:25.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`I pick it up in a windows header`
`16:25.34`	`captain_proton`	`huh?`
`16:25.42`	`captain_proton`	`i just replaced UINT with unsigned int`
`16:25.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`oh`
`16:25.51`	`Patlabor2211`	`coo`
`16:26.01`	`Patlabor2211`	`we used to have UINT in`
`16:26.04`	`Patlabor2211`	`I took it out`
`16:26.07`	`Patlabor2211`	`cus I had it defined`
`16:26.12`	`Patlabor2211`	`but the long way is better`
`16:29.08`	`captain_proton`	`sheesh`
`16:29.17`	`captain_proton`	`with this latest batch of changes you really did the UINT dance a lot`
`16:35.54`	`captain_proton`	`ok, time to start merging`
`16:35.57`	`captain_proton`	`but first i commit`
`16:39.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`commit before merge?`
`16:39.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`I didn't think I added any more UNITs`
`16:39.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`Kill them all`
`16:40.06`	`Patlabor2211`	`LOL`
`16:40.07`	`Patlabor2211`	`http://daringfireball.net/2003/04/translation.html`
`16:40.21`	`Patlabor2211`	`a "translation" of a quakrk express press release`
`16:40.27`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`16:40.37`	`captain_proton`	`"stuff"`
`16:40.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`"did thing"`
`16:40.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`"busted stuff"`
`16:40.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`"more stuff"`
`16:40.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`"ehh"`
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`16:41.50`	`doughecka`	`QuarkXPress 6 will be expensive and late.`
`16:41.53`	`Cell`	`lo, Patlabor2211`
`16:42.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`supzor`
`16:42.33`	`Cell`	`Patlabor2211: i saw digiben loads a 3ds file and makes an octree, for each leaf he makes a display list`
`16:43.09`	`Cell`	`he puts also the texture bindings and material changes into the display list`
`16:43.12`	`Patlabor2211`	`I've seen people do that too`
`16:43.18`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: exactly`
`16:43.20`	`Cell`	`is that not slow`
`16:43.27`	`Cell`	`to put the texture bindings`
`16:43.31`	`Cell`	`into the list`
`16:43.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`I would think it would be yes`
`16:44.11`	`Cell`	`why are the bindings slow, is that going to be changed with new graphics board or is it just an opengl drawback?`
`16:44.21`	`Cell`	`it really sucks`
`16:44.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`preslty most implementations flush cache on a bind`
`16:44.51`	`Patlabor2211`	`read the GL2.0 spec it gives you descrete texture managment`
`16:46.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`go use Direct 3d, it gives you texture managment`
`16:46.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`in a very ugly wraper`
`16:46.42`	`captain_proton`	`with gl2 directx finally won't have any argument`
`16:46.46`	`Cell`	`yes but i like opengl more`
`16:50.39`	`Cell`	`gf4 can have larger display lists, it has not the 16^2 primitives limit`
`16:51.17`	`Cell`	`~2^16`
`16:51.18`		`18`
`16:52.26`	`Cell`	`i have really big problems to organize my dat so that it is soreted by matid`
`16:52.43`	`captain_proton`	`its really not that hard`
`16:53.21`	`Cell`	`yes its not but my mesh supports the operation deletetri and addtri`
`16:53.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`all muy stuff is sorted by texture`
`16:53.31`	`Cell`	`its not static`
`16:53.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`including the new "tank flag" :)`
`16:54.03`	`Cell`	`thats the point`
`16:54.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`so keep a sorted list`
`16:54.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`that you update`
`16:54.29`	`Cell`	`double linked`
`16:54.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`or don't worry about it`
`16:54.37`	`Patlabor2211`	`those are your 2 choices`
`16:54.43`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: the tank flag looks weird`
`16:54.47`	`captain_proton`	`you need a cloth simulation ;-)`
`16:54.48`	`Cell`	`but i need damn fast access by index`
`16:54.55`	`Cell`	`too`
`16:54.57`	`Patlabor2211`	`I know cap, it's not done tho`
`16:55.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`since it allways stays behind the tank`
`16:55.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`"I have a plan"`
`16:55.31`	`captain_proton`	`ooo`
`16:55.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`cell it's an editor, it can only be soo fast`
`16:58.02`	`Cell`	`a pitty that u cannot make n display lists simulatously`
`16:58.14`	`Cell`	`u have to make one then the nex`
`16:58.17`	`Cell`	`next`
`16:59.35`	`Cell`	`ah i have a great idea`
`16:59.46`	`Cell`	`cool`
`17:00.05`	`captain_proton`	`you are my density`
`17:01.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`well that's what the cookie says anyway`
`17:01.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`ohh no, an idea`
`17:01.42`	`Patlabor2211`	`ideas are dangerous, they will ge you killed`
`17:02.21`	`Cell`	`i solved ther problem im thebest`
`17:02.28`	`Cell`	`:)`
`17:02.55`	`Cell`	`god damnt took me 0.5 years`
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`17:03.28`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`mornin`
`17:03.28`	`Cell`	`its so easy`
`17:03.44`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`stibnite you there?`
`17:04.19`	`stibnite`	`yes sir`
`17:04.19`	`Cell`	`i use a vertex array`
`17:04.23`	`stibnite`	`I know`
`17:04.28`	`stibnite`	`server down, etc. etc.`
`17:04.29`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`your server down?`
`17:04.35`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`heh`
`17:04.42`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`just checkin`
`17:04.54`	`stibnite`	`i'm currently walking a technician through resurrection`
`17:05.03`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`ahh`
`17:05.03`	`stibnite`	`it is SO MUCH FUN to spell unix commands`
`17:05.10`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hehe`
`17:05.14`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`grep`
`17:05.17`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`not greppy`
`17:07.04`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`ciao all`
`17:31.53`	`Cell`	`Patlabor2211: do you use PM?`
`17:32.13`	`Patlabor2211`	`pm?`
`17:32.23`	`Cell`	`progressive mesh form Hoppe`
`17:32.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`17:32.55`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:33.03`	`Cell`	`dont have so detailed models?`
`17:33.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`some are detailed`
`17:33.23`	`Patlabor2211`	`just have no need for it yet`
`17:33.30`	`Cell`	`k`
`17:33.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`but the classes could get it added if they wanted`
`17:33.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`easaly`
`17:33.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`just add it into the DrawPart method`
`17:33.58`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:34.06`	`Patlabor2211`	`and the progmesh dosn't do so well on animated meshes`
`17:34.21`	`Cell`	`yes`
`17:34.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`FIxed LOD will probably be ok for most things`
`17:35.03`	`Cell`	`sure`
`17:35.38`	`Cell`	`for me the PM would be nice but Hoppe has only announced to research on editable PM's`
`17:35.53`	`Cell`	`and static PM are of no use currently`
`17:37.25`	`Cell`	`it also has problems with textures and normals`
`17:37.57`	`Cell`	`that is a further research suggestion at the end of the PM article`
`17:38.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`so it's crap`
`17:38.36`	`Cell`	`it is pretty nice, but it has to be extended`
`17:39.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`probalby takes more time then drawing the big model`
`17:39.49`	`Cell`	`possible if u put the big model into a display list`
`17:40.24`	`Cell`	`but its useful for progressive transmission over the web`
`17:40.31`	`Cell`	`as proposed by Hoppe`
`17:40.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`why would I want to send this huge thing over the web?`
`17:41.21`	`Cell`	`u send the coarser Mesh and then asequnce of vertex splits`
`17:41.40`	`Patlabor2211`	`why not send the big one, once and be done with it`
`17:41.52`	`Patlabor2211`	`instead of constantly wasing bandwith everytime they move it`
`17:42.09`	`Cell`	`because u can see the model earlier and it gets more detailed with time`
`17:42.14`	`Cell`	`liken an jpg image`
`17:42.29`	`Cell`	`thats the idea`
`17:42.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`or just make the download the game`
`17:43.04`	`Cell`	`oh imagine an online model catalogue like turbosquid`
`17:43.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`I'm not making turbosquid`
`17:43.25`	`Cell`	`that has a browser plugin that renders the modell rotating`
`17:43.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`and this isn't #turbosquid`
`17:43.35`	`Cell`	`he?`
`17:43.42`	`Cell`	`u took grass?`
`17:43.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`huh?`
`17:44.11`	`Cell`	`you seem so damn aggrassive`
`17:44.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`no just stating facts`
`17:44.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`if I was agressive you would sure as well know it :)`
`17:44.53`	`Cell`	`ah`
`17:49.36`	`captain_proton`	`A HA!`
`17:50.05`	`captain_proton`	`found the segfault`
`17:50.13`	`Cell`	`dos?`
`17:50.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`in collisons?`
`17:51.10`	`captain_proton`	`yeah`
`17:53.07`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`17:53.16`	`captain_proton`	`bad things happen when you pop a matrix without having pushed one :)`
`17:55.38`	`Cell`	`yeah`
`17:57.15`	`Cell`	`wherw is the octtre article foem ask midnight from flipcode?`
`18:02.34`	`Cell`	`i have a 1 k bitfield and mostly only a few bits in the field are set to one, the position of a 1-bit is an index to an array, is htere a quick way to get the positions of 1-bits without checking each of the 1k bits if it is set to 1?`
`18:04.11`	`Cell`	`sorry 100k bitfield`
`18:06.23`	`Cell`	`damn this is so difficult what im doing`
`18:20.19`	`Patlabor2211`	`yeah cap that would be bad`
`18:30.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`my the godess I am double binding all over the palce`
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`18:52.35`	`ltd__blitz`	`.`
`18:52.49`	`doughecka`	`eh, dont start that again`
`18:53.11`	`ltd__blitz`	`lol`
`18:56.22`	`ltd__blitz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:57.06`	`ltd__blitz`	`ok`
`19:35.15`	`captain_proton`	`hmm Patlabor2211`
`19:35.43`	`captain_proton`	`does CPlayerTank::m_rPos take into account a jump?`
`19:35.49`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`19:36.26`	`captain_proton`	`CPlayerTank::GetWorldToObject`
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`19:50.11`	`Patlabor2211`	`oooooooo .... I thik I've been fished to death`
`19:50.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap yes it does`
`19:50.27`	`doughecka`	`~fishslap Patlabor2211`
`19:50.28`		`ACTION slaps Patlabor2211 up side the head with a wet fish.`
`19:50.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`it's the center of the tank model`
`19:52.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`anyone know how to set up a local SMPT server on linux?`
`19:52.21`	`Patlabor2211`	`the one BZBB uses keesp timing out.`
`19:59.24`	`captain_proton`	`hrm`
`19:59.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`tho the tank model was defined freakin backwards :(`
`20:00.28`	`captain_proton`	`collisions seem to work mostly`
`20:00.35`	`captain_proton`	`but its acting like the tank is always on the ground`
`20:00.36`	`captain_proton`	`at least i think`
`20:00.40`	`Patlabor2211`	`well that's a start`
`20:00.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`the tank model was also defined rotated sideways`
`20:01.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`flipin Milkshape uses the GL XZ plane for some reason`
`20:02.01`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~back@pD9E5079E.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:02.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`I added a DoGLTrasnsform to each object`
`20:02.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`that just does each objects tranlate/rot/ whatever`
`20:02.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`don't know if that will help you.`
`20:03.04`	`Patlabor2211`	`I needed it for child objects`
`20:04.28`	`captain_proton`	`i don't think it would help`
`20:04.37`	`captain_proton`	`i need the translate/rot etc but in matrix form`
`20:05.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`well you could push, clear, callthis, get the matrix, then pop`
`20:05.38`	`Patlabor2211`	`use GL for the matrix stuff`
`20:05.38`	`captain_proton`	`ew`
`20:05.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`yeah`
`20:06.06`	`Patlabor2211`	`we'll just have to make sure that everyone has a vaild "get world to object " func`
`20:08.01`	`Cell`	`http://www.flipcode.com/forums/cotd/COTD-OctreeImplementation.shtml does not work does someone know where it can be found now?`
`20:09.57`	`Cell`	`ah found it: http://www.flipcode.com/cgi-bin/msg.cgi?showThread=COTD-OctreeImplementation&forum=cotd&id=-1`
`20:11.15`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`20:11.17`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211`
`20:11.23`	`Patlabor2211`	`ja`
`20:11.48`	`captain_proton`	`do you reorient the tank model when you load it?`
`20:11.59`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`20:12.13`	`Patlabor2211`	`in what you have it's taken care of by the matrix`
`20:12.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`in what I have it's been fixed`
`20:12.37`	`captain_proton`	`is it taken care of in GetWorldToObject?`
`20:12.38`	`Patlabor2211`	`let me merge then commit`
`20:12.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`in what you Ihave I think not`
`20:12.48`	`captain_proton`	`let me commit my latest`
`20:12.51`	`Patlabor2211`	`looking now`
`20:13.08`	`captain_proton`	`comitted`
`20:14.44`	`Patlabor2211`	`ha playertank dosn'e even define a GetWorldToObject`
`20:16.28`	`captain_proton`	`looks to me like it uses the BaseObject's one`
`20:17.57`	`Patlabor2211`	`and that's not gonna be right`
`20:18.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`wont take tilt inot account`
`20:18.23`	`Patlabor2211`	`and be backewards`
`20:19.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`man my matrix stuff is old`
`20:22.36`	`Jormungandr`	`2 hours left then 3 days off.`
`20:22.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`nice`
`20:23.10`	`Jormungandr`	`then I work 5 days next week, instead of 4, then go on a 5 day retreat in the Arizona mountains.`
`20:23.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`hmmm then I better ask you fo SMTP help beffore you leave :)`
`20:23.50`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:23.55`	`Jormungandr`	`what's up with smtp?`
`20:24.00`	`Patlabor2211`	`I need one`
`20:24.12`	`Jormungandr`	`I just installed qmail for a friend.`
`20:24.23`	`Jormungandr`	`what sort of stuff you going to be doing?`
`20:24.45`	`Patlabor2211`	`for bzbb`
`20:24.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`it needs to be able to send mail`
`20:24.55`	`Patlabor2211`	`I'm using an external one now, and it's crapy`
`20:25.46`	`Jormungandr`	`sendmail works fine for sending mail.`
`20:25.57`	`Jormungandr`	`I'd not use it for incoming, though, personally.`
`20:26.27`	`Jormungandr`	`I use qmail on this machine, and smtpd-sd on dragon.org`
`20:27.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`later I'd like to set up imap and pop, so I can have @bakadigital mall addresses`
`20:27.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`but for now I just need something the board can use to send`
`20:27.38`	`Patlabor2211`	`dosn't need to receve, just send notifications`
`20:27.52`	`Jormungandr`	`do you have sendmail installed?`
`20:28.26`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap you get my private message?`
`20:28.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`I just updated`
`20:28.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`checking for confilcts now`
`20:31.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`how do I see if I have it installed?`
`20:31.54`	`Patlabor2211`	`looks like I do`
`20:32.45`	`Jormungandr`	`cool`
`20:33.29`	`Jormungandr`	`then, tell your software you have sendmail installed and add 0,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/sbin/sendmail -q >/dev/null 2>/dev/null to your crontab for root.`
`20:33.53`	`Jormungandr`	`make sure you have a valid hosts entry in /etc/hosts`
`20:33.55`	`Patlabor2211`	`crontab?`
`20:33.56`	`Jormungandr`	`should be enough.`
`20:34.03`	`Jormungandr`	`do a crontab -e`
`20:34.10`	`Jormungandr`	`that will put you in cron editor`
`20:34.24`	`Jormungandr`	`then paste....`
`20:34.26`	`Jormungandr`	`0,15,30,45 * * * * /usr/sbin/sendmail -q >/dev/null 2>/dev/null`
`20:34.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`k`
`20:34.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`one sec`
`20:34.34`	`Jormungandr`	`into there`
`20:34.36`	`Jormungandr`	`it's vi`
`20:34.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`ahhh`
`20:35.13`	`Patlabor2211`	`2 things at once :)`
`20:37.33`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:44.25`	`Patlabor2211`	`ahhh i redefineitons !!! :)`
`20:44.33`	`captain_proton`	`?`
`20:44.43`	`Patlabor2211`	`CBaseWorldObject::Collide`
`20:44.54`	`Patlabor2211`	`the int i is not defined inside brackets`
`20:45.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`so windows treads it as in the scope of the function`
`20:45.49`	`captain_proton`	`ugh`
`20:45.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`I fixed`
`20:45.57`	`captain_proton`	`stupid windows`
`20:45.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`well my stuff works`
`20:46.06`	`Patlabor2211`	`I concur on that part`
`20:47.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`commited`
`20:47.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`we now have trMatrix <->glMatrix`
`20:48.19`	`Patlabor2211`	`I should just make the default getWorldToObject do what I did in player tank`
`20:49.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok jorm I got that in there`
`20:50.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`nor now`
`20:50.37`	`Patlabor2211`	`how do you paste in VI?`
`20:51.28`	`captain_proton`	`middle click`
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`20:51.43`	`Patlabor2211`	`hmm putty must not move over the clipboard then`
`20:52.15`	`captain_proton`	`are you in insert mode?`
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`20:52.59`	`Patlabor2211`	`yeah`
`20:53.19`	`Patlabor2211`	`hmm tells me "can't apply edit, bad day of the month"`
`20:53.27`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: can you take a look at the stuff for the BoxObject and make sure its returning the right transform?`
`20:53.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`sure`
`20:56.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`it looked like it was, but update and try that`
`20:56.44`	`Patlabor2211`	`I made it use the GL matrx as the deafault`
`20:59.20`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`20:59.25`	`captain_proton`	`i still am colliding with stuff`
`21:00.03`	`captain_proton`	`that isn't there`
`21:00.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`wierd`
`21:01.00`	`Patlabor2211`	`well you use the SetToGL matrix fucnction to draw the collion volume`
`21:04.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...I hate Mrs. Love and Miss Quiram`
`21:04.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's today's topic?`
`21:05.07`	`captain_proton`	`chickens`
`21:05.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:05.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`and peas`
`21:05.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Looks like something about collision detection`
`21:05.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`no chicken detection`
`21:05.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:05.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whatever`
`21:06.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm pissed so don't screw with my mnd today, please`
`21:06.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`mind*`
`21:07.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need some food.`
`21:07.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The bus driver took 4 wrong turns, then when we were about to go down my street, we had to turn around and drop some girl off on the other side of town`
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`21:11.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`21:12.42`	`Cell`	`grrrrrrrrrr`
`21:14.14`	`Cell`	`~100000*4`
`21:14.15`		`400000`
`21:14.35`	`Cell`	`~400000/1024`
`21:14.36`		`390.625`
`21:14.42`	`Cell`	`grrrrrrrrrr`
`21:16.25`	`Cell`	`k then i need about 1 mb extra storage`
`21:17.08`	`Cell`	`i should use a Strategy design pattern for the shaders`
`21:17.30`	`Cell`	`and olso for highlighting`
`21:19.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap it's not coliding with ground objects is it?`
`21:19.28`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: don't think so`
`21:19.44`	`Patlabor2211`	`they shoudl have there "don't freaking hit me" flag set`
`21:34.56`	`Blitz___LTD`	`when is sbo going to be back`
`21:40.55`	`Chestal`	`hurrah, Moles #1 again :-)`
`21:42.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Possibly next week`
`21:42.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`There's that peer guy again! :)`
`21:42.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`wheeee sugar rush!!! :)`
`21:43.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You sniffed it didn't you, Jeff?`
`21:43.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`21:43.17`	`Patlabor2211`	`birthday cake`
`21:43.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who's B-Day?`
`21:43.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`the bossman's`
`21:43.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:46.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LT.D: You send it yet, man?`
`21:46.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Stop stallin' and start haulin'!`
`21:46.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`21:46.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hmm`
`21:46.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.creeperz.com`
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`21:47.09`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`21:47.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YES!`
`21:49.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH! I can't connect!`
`21:51.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It will be another 28-48 hours before I can upload`
`21:54.09`	`Patlabor2211`	`who did you go to for hosing?`
`21:54.22`	`doughecka`	`hosing is right`
`21:54.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`hosting :)`
`21:54.34`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`21:55.17`	`takeashower`	`:)`
`21:56.16`	`doughecka`	`Abdul Haman... what country are ya from?`
`21:57.04`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`21:57.10`	`takeashower`	`ha?`
`21:57.42`	`takeashower`	`~dict abdul`
`21:57.53`	`takeashower`	`~dict haman`
`21:58.19`	`doughecka`	`clues are: #opengl #Uml #CrystalSpace and #c#`
`21:58.39`	`takeashower`	`what clues?`
`21:58.56`	`doughecka`	`THE clues`
`21:59.02`	`takeashower`	`ah`
`22:00.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`22:00.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`22:00.44`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: any clues about the chicken detection?`
`22:01.01`	`Cell`	`i want chicken`
`22:01.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have a clue`
`22:01.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
`22:01.58`	`captain_proton`	`do you now?`
`22:02.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`22:02.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Do you?" *`
`22:02.44`	`larsl`	`ls`
`22:02.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`sure`
`22:03.21`	`Cell`	`chicken detection sounds like coldet, make one step forfard see if collision if so make 0.5 steps back see if collision if so make 0.25 steps back esle 0.25 steps forward ....`
`22:03.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`cap: You and Jeff get collision detection working yet or still pening?`
`22:04.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~chicken detection`
`22:04.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`pending*`
`22:04.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, chicken detection?`
`22:04.30`		`[STC]_creeperz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`22:04.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~collision detection`
`22:04.44`		`from memory, collision detection is it O`
`22:04.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
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`22:11.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LT.D`
`22:12.05`	`blitz____ltd`	`t`
`22:12.07`	`blitz____ltd`	`what`
`22:12.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You sending it yet?`
`22:12.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or still editing?`
`22:12.35`	`blitz____ltd`	`wait for a week`
`22:12.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`22:12.43`	`blitz____ltd`	`gotta eat dinner bye`
`22:12.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I sent you mine the first day!`
`22:12.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!`
`22:13.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What the hell?`
`22:13.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I sent you mine right after you asked for it`
`22:13.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Then you deny me when I ask for yours?!`
`22:13.43`	`Patlabor2211`	`The palatapus is the uninitalised variable of the animal kingdom`
`22:13.55`	`captain_proton`	`jaja`
`22:13.56`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`22:13.56`	`captain_proton`	`haha`
`22:14.02`	`doughecka`	`hahah`
`22:14.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`kok! :0`
`22:14.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:) *`
`22:14.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`(pst cap, they don't know what I'm talking about, do they? :) )`
`22:14.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, what is he talking about?`
`22:15.00`		`[STC]_creeperz: what are you talking about?`
`22:15.22`	`larsl`	`~dict palatapus`
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`22:15.39`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`22:15.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, palatapus?`
`22:15.44`		`[STC]_creeperz: I wish you would RTFM.`
`22:15.48`	`larsl`	`~dict platypus`
`22:15.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, you need to shut up`
`22:15.55`		`[STC]_creeperz: no idea`
`22:21.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!!`
`22:21.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=l`
`22:22.31`	`CobraA1`	`~dict shut up`
`22:23.51`	`CobraA1`	`~dict RTFM`
`22:24.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Read the F*cking Manual`
`22:24.12`	`CobraA1`	`~dict RTFS`
`22:24.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol...`
`22:24.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`/msg ibot flood is <reply> http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=lhttp://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1998-12-09&res=`
`22:24.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Darn :/`
`22:25.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~flood`
`22:25.05`	`Patlabor2211`	`creeper leave it me`
`22:25.09`	`Patlabor2211`	`leave it be`
`22:25.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Seeing if there was a way for ibot to flood himself out :-/`
`22:25.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`no there isn't`
`22:25.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I see that now`
`22:25.51`	`Patlabor2211`	`why would you want to do something mallicius like that`
`22:26.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just to see if it was possible`
`22:26.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And how is that malicious?`
`22:26.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`why?`
`22:26.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's not hurting anyone`
`22:26.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`you werea tempting to get ibot droped`
`22:26.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's not being cruel`
`22:26.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`22:26.35`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: its flooding the channel with useless crap too`
`22:26.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I was testing`
`22:26.46`	`captain_proton`	`which is disrespectful of the other people here`
`22:26.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cap`
`22:26.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`22:26.54`	`Patlabor2211`	`then do that crap is a private mesage to him`
`22:26.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`or it`
`22:27.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm not going to say anything becuase you'll kick me`
`22:27.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I DID!!`
`22:27.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOOK!`
`22:27.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jesus!`
`22:27.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`no I saw it`
`22:27.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`it wasn't in a message`
`22:27.35`	`Patlabor2211`	`if we can see it`
`22:27.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whatever`
`22:27.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`it's not a message`
`22:27.43`	`Patlabor2211`	`open a query`
`22:27.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It was supposed to be`
`22:27.54`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: then figure out how to use your client`
`22:27.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So now you want me to flood him out?`
`22:27.58`	`Chestal`	`still, don't mess with the poor bot`
`22:28.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm not going to!`
`22:28.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Geez!`
`22:28.14`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: we just want you to stop flooding the channel`
`22:28.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`you were trying to flood it`
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`22:30.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`to stdio, or to the UI?`
`22:30.53`	`Chestal`	`Patlabor: Valoche and fiberchunks obviously had the idea to integrate bzflag centrum and the ctf league site to soem extent, in particular, bzflag centrum boards shuld replace the league forums.`
`22:31.08`	`captain_proton`	`hm hang on`
`22:31.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok`
`22:31.09`	`captain_proton`	`stdio`
`22:31.09`	`Chestal`	`Patlabor: logins/passwort were meant to be synchronized to I think. Do you know anythign about it?`
`22:31.17`	`captain_proton`	`i think i made a really stupid mistake`
`22:31.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`I know it was a desire`
`22:31.35`	`Patlabor2211`	`I don't know about the implementaion`
`22:31.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`all BZBB logins are in a mysql database`
`22:31.52`	`Patlabor2211`	`that could be accessed`
`22:31.59`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`22:32.01`	`Chestal`	`dmp is now workign on the league code`
`22:32.02`	`captain_proton`	`there was that mistake`
`22:32.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`its all php controlled`
`22:32.04`	`captain_proton`	`but its still broken`
`22:32.17`	`Chestal`	`patlabor: php+mysql i sused for the league, too`
`22:32.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`we didn't change the login stuff from the normal phpbb`
`22:32.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`so he could use that to see how to log in`
`22:32.55`	`Chestal`	`hmm, ok`
`22:32.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`and I can get him the server info he needs`
`22:33.17`	`Patlabor2211`	`make an account in the database for the leauge site ect...`
`22:33.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`can also make a leauge protected fourm if desired`
`22:33.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`This one is disturbed`
`22:33.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=1999-02-03&res=l`
`22:33.57`	`*** part/#bzflag gonk{work} (~Pineapple@ivan.client.mscd.edu)`
`22:34.01`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`22:34.07`	`captain_proton`	`this is looking very uninitialized`
`22:34.12`	`captain_proton`	`positioning collideable object, matrix is:`
`22:34.13`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:34.13`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:34.13`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:34.13`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:34.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`very`
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`22:35.02`	`captain_proton`	`thats after the call of GetWorldToObject() on a box if i'm not mistaken`
`22:35.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`22:35.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`that sould hit CBaseObject::GetWorldToObject`
`22:35.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`and to a glGetMatrix`
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`22:35.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`unless that's fialing`
`22:37.18`	`captain_proton`	`i think its time to fire up a debugger`
`22:37.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`sounds like it is`
`22:38.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Back`
`22:38.10`	`Patlabor2211`	`chestal: I'm not that well versed in the php side of it, so much as admining the thing. but I'll do what I can to help.`
`22:38.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`but I do have the server local here, so I can do what ever is needed.`
`22:38.38`	`Chestal`	`Patlabor: ok, I guess we'll take a look at that later, I don't think it's the first thing to do`
`22:39.59`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok`
`22:40.12`	`Patlabor2211`	`Fiber may have had more of a plan`
`22:40.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`and if anyone needs shell access on it let me know`
`22:40.51`	`Chestal`	`sf does not allow any communication to remote hosts AFAIK, right?`
`22:41.01`	`captain_proton`	`Chestal: right`
`22:41.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`if the leauge page needs better hosting, I have plenty of room as well`
`22:42.11`	`Patlabor2211`	`tho not as much bandwith as SF`
`22:43.32`	`Chestal`	`wow, 0:43 already. How did that happen?`
`22:43.44`	`doughecka`	`spinning of the earth`
`22:43.47`	`doughecka`	`I think`
`22:43.57`	`doughecka`	`but I may be wrong`
`22:59.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`well m_rPos, m_rRot will have to go.`
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`23:05.24`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: hm?`
`23:06.46`	`larsl`	`Does anyone here use doxygen?`
`23:07.36`	`larsl`	`I'm writing the mainpage for the dox in a separate file, and I don't want that file to show in the file list.`
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`23:12.08`	`Patlabor221`	`coo`
`23:12.50`	`captain_proton`	`but maybe not :)`
`23:12.56`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`23:20.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who thinks Hussein is dead?`
`23:23.27`	`Patlabor221`	`umm they have reports he's not`
`23:23.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`23:23.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think he's alive`
`23:23.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And I think he never REALLY had any SCUD missles`
`23:24.28`	`Patlabor221`	`he did, they were jsut old`
`23:24.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:24.45`	`Patlabor221`	`he fired some`
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`23:24.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!! I wanna see Iraq try to take a plane off of the ground!`
`23:25.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Those weren't SCUD missles`
`23:25.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, the fired some on kuwait`
`23:25.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:25.27`	`Patlabor221`	`hit a mall`
`23:25.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They fired 4 at us`
`23:25.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`2 dropped in the ocran`
`23:25.38`	`Patlabor221`	`many missed`
`23:25.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ocean*`
`23:25.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`2 were shot down`
`23:25.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They fired 4 I think`
`23:26.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How many DID Iraq fire at us?`
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`23:29.32`	`larsl`	`~towers`
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`23:31.11`	`larsl`	`People don't seem to lag too bad on my server even though I'm using 80% of my bandwidth downloading stuff. =)`
`23:31.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`23:31.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, TimRiker`
`23:32.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is this screenie from? : http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0000.jpg`
`23:33.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And this one: http://bzflag.org/screenshots/bzfi0008.jpg`
`23:35.56`	`Patlabor221`	`1.8`
`23:36.03`	`Patlabor221`	`I took that :)`
`23:36.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`23:36.12`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`23:36.13`	`Patlabor221`	`with cap`
`23:36.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`23:36.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:36.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`meq`
`23:36.26`	`Patlabor221`	`see got my name at the top :)`
`23:36.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, I should of figured :-)`
`23:36.41`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh the meg ones are cap`
`23:36.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And that's what 1.8 will look like?`
`23:36.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`23:36.48`	`Patlabor221`	`1.8 is dead`
`23:36.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`23:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`so that's what it does look like now`
`23:37.00`	`Patlabor221`	`and allways will look like`
`23:37.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:37.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can I see?`
`23:37.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why is that tank in the ground?`
`23:37.37`	`LTD__Blitz`	`the flags do that`
`23:38.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea, but if it's an old client, why haven't he that in g1?`
`23:38.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the burrow flag that was in 1.8`
`23:38.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How can I get 1.8?`
`23:38.26`	`Patlabor221`	`grab head of CVS`
`23:38.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and build it`
`23:38.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:38.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And that's a "SPECIAL" version that has not been realeased?`
`23:38.57`	`Patlabor221`	`no it's a dead project`
`23:38.59`	`Patlabor221`	`DEAD`
`23:39.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:39.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no more work on it`
`23:39.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why not?`
`23:39.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It looks awesome`
`23:39.12`	`Patlabor221`	`some elements will go into 1.9`
`23:39.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The clean-up on the HUD is great!`
`23:39.23`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy it looks worse then G0`
`23:39.28`	`Patlabor221`	`no shadows`
`23:39.30`	`Patlabor221`	`no hud`
`23:39.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`23:39.36`	`Patlabor221`	`missing all kindas of stuff`
`23:39.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OOOOKK?`
`23:39.52`	`Patlabor221`	`like I say some things will go into 1.9 or 2`
`23:40.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ok`
`23:40.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`2?`
`23:40.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`23:40.12`	`Patlabor221`	`what ever tim decides to call it`
`23:40.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When will that be along?`
`23:40.16`	`Patlabor221`	`dono`
`23:40.24`	`Patlabor221`	`don't even know if it's planed`
`23:40.29`	`Patlabor221`	`heck G2 isn't even out.`
`23:40.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:40.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`23:43.00`	`larsl`	`Are there any more changes expected before g2?`
`23:43.27`	`TimRiker`	`larsl: probably not. I just need to update version info, docs etc. and get it out.`
`23:43.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I hope not`
`23:43.35`	`Patlabor221`	`sweet :)`
`23:43.59`	`Patlabor221`	`Tim if Mac isn't around I can make the installers for you if you don't want to have to go to windows`
`23:44.06`	`larsl`	`It would be nice to fix the dead flag bug... I've looked at it a little, but I just can't see where they get dead.`
`23:45.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That's weird`
`23:45.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Flag out of the window, yet not on radar :/`
`23:45.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why do flags need to be hiddne in view/radar anyhow?`
`23:45.51`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: I might take you up on that. TI is an exchange house so I'm back to hating ... er using windows from time to time.`
`23:46.13`	`Patlabor221`	`no problem`
`23:46.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I love using NSIS`
`23:46.26`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the best installer I have ever seen`
`23:46.31`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: some servers have 1000's of flags. it really slows down a lame client.`
`23:46.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:46.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got it now`
`23:47.26`	`Patlabor221`	`so what are you gonna call the next version`
`23:47.32`	`Patlabor221`	`and does it have a requirements spec?`
`23:48.31`	`TimRiker`	`the current will be g2. the tree will get copied to HEAD and renamed 1.9 then I'll brake the net protocol.`
`23:48.56`	`Patlabor221`	`well that shoudl end the version confustion`
`23:49.15`	`Patlabor221`	`any plan for what you want in 1.9?`
`23:49.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why do you end most of the [colors] with the word "respectful" or something alopng those lines`
`23:50.03`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: whatever things work well but break net code. I don't just want to go flag happy though.`
`23:50.20`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: huh?`
`23:50.28`	`Patlabor221`	`thats a big list of stuff`
`23:50.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll find a spot`
`23:50.57`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: not things that are not complete.`
`23:51.23`	`TimRiker`	`I'd rather work on karma engine than change the gui stuff again.`
`23:52.46`	`Patlabor221`	`what about more server side autoritation?`
`23:52.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and map format changes?`
`23:53.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`TimRiker: Where is all of the CTF doc?`
`23:54.25`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: in the man page?`
`23:54.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`23:54.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`23:54.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think`
`23:54.48`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: server side authenticatation will come with the karma system.`
`23:55.00`	`TimRiker`	`which map format changes?`
`23:56.05`	`Patlabor221`	`tim, I don't mean player autentication, I mean like postions, shots, ect..`
`23:56.40`	`Patlabor221`	`and for the map, like adding groups and collision flags`
`23:57.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`TimRiker: What do you think about adding a new object? The ramp.`
`23:57.25`	`Patlabor221`	`do you have any clue what that entails?`
`23:57.29`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: yes. all that stuff. that's one of the reasons for breaking the net compat`
`23:57.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me, Jeff?`
`23:57.44`	`Patlabor221`	`yes you creep`
`23:57.46`	`larsl`	`Server spawn calculations.`
`23:57.48`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: not a high priority for me.`
`23:57.57`	`TimRiker`	`yes, move spawn to the server.`
`23:57.59`	`Patlabor221`	`tim, I figured that but I am just trying to get an idea of what you want and don't want`
`23:58.18`	`Patlabor221`	`how bout like map specified texutres, and contenent managment?`
`23:58.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`As seeing that you can slide (drive) down the side of a teleporter, I don't see why the whole tank would have to be rotated just for it to climb it`
`23:58.38`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: where it does not take new colision code, sure.`
`23:58.56`	`TimRiker`	`ie: meshes for tanks as long as they are the same size would be great.`
`23:58.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`pyramid* not teleporter`
`23:59.08`	`Patlabor221`	`ramps would be wierd with out new colsion code`
`23:59.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It would be great`
`23:59.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and with new colsion code, and tank tilts, that thows aim out the window`
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