irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030404

`00:07.58`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: do I need an account to get the CVS?`
`00:08.14`	`doughecka`	`~seen jzaun`
`00:08.15`		`jzaun <~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 34d 5m 6s ago, saying: 'heh, today... but I haven't have bzf installed for about a month'.`
`00:08.40`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: no, he has pserver`
`00:08.48`	`captain_proton`	`only need an account for R/W access`
`00:09.02`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`00:09.05`	`doughecka`	`how do I get on it?`
`00:09.15`	`doughecka`	`the command?`
`00:09.49`	`Patlabor221`	`doug no, you can use the anon pserver`
`00:10.09`	`doughecka`	`oh, whats the CVSROOT for toroiseCVS?`
`00:12.55`	`doughecka`	`cvs checkout: CVSROOT (":pserver:anonymous@bakadigital.com:")`
`00:12.56`	`doughecka`	`cvs checkout: requires a path spec`
`00:12.56`	`doughecka`	`cvs checkout: :pserver:[user[:password]@]host[:[port]]/path`
`00:12.56`	`doughecka`	`cvs [checkout aborted]: Bad CVSROOT.`
`00:14.04`	`Patlabor221`	`cvsroot`
`00:14.12`	`Patlabor221`	`well /cvsroot`
`00:14.24`	`doughecka`	`:pserver:anonymous@bakadigital.com:/cvsroot`
`00:14.38`	`Patlabor221`	`asgard.bakadigital.com`
`00:14.42`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`00:14.50`	`Patlabor221`	`then the module is screamers`
`00:15.30`	`doughecka`	`wow, it works`
`00:15.35`	`Patlabor221`	`as it should`
`00:15.52`	`Patlabor221`	`you only need an account to commit, noodle was kind enough to set it up just like sourceforge`
`00:15.55`	`doughecka`	`does asgard have its own web server?`
`00:16.01`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`00:16.04`	`Patlabor221`	`asgard is www.bakadigital.com`
`00:16.18`	`Patlabor221`	`just bakadigital.com is ragnarok`
`00:16.28`	`doughecka`	`umm, ok :)`
`00:16.53`	`Patlabor221`	`the windows server`
`00:17.00`	`Patlabor221`	`dosnt' run any bzstuff`
`00:17.08`	`Patlabor221`	`just codemonkey and livingisland`
`00:17.09`	`doughecka`	`oh sheesh, its taking longer to get the mp3s, than to get the whole rest of the module`
`00:17.12`	`Patlabor221`	`and dev`
`00:17.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah they are large`
`00:17.23`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:17.35`	`Patlabor221`	`but the nice thing is now you won't get them again unless they change`
`00:17.35`	`doughecka`	`http://viewcvs.sourceforge.net/`
`00:17.41`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`00:17.42`	`doughecka`	`thats cool`
`00:17.46`	`Patlabor221`	`you just have to do the CVS UPDATE`
`00:17.53`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I could install a web CVS viewer`
`00:17.58`	`Patlabor221`	`but I don't see the need`
`00:18.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I have thought about it`
`00:19.27`	`Patlabor221`	`but then cell coudl get the code :)`
`00:19.30`	`doughecka`	`well, tortuos has this thing that can show all the modules avalible`
`00:19.40`	`Patlabor221`	`yes but it needs the web one`
`00:19.48`	`doughecka`	`but if the cvs server wont display it, it will go to the web side`
`00:19.51`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`00:20.00`	`Patlabor221`	`like I said I thought about it`
`00:20.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and there are only 2 modules now`
`00:20.11`	`Patlabor221`	`that and maps`
`00:20.29`	`doughecka`	`maps?`
`00:20.52`	`Patlabor221`	`I made a repository for map storage`
`00:20.58`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`00:21.03`	`doughecka`	`who can upload maps to it?`
`00:21.07`	`Patlabor221`	`instead of just the base data dir`
`00:21.30`	`Patlabor221`	`just peolle with CVS access`
`00:21.38`	`doughecka`	`k`
`00:21.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I was trying to find a way to make a map only cvs group`
`00:21.47`	`doughecka`	`whats ur upload speed?`
`00:21.51`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`00:21.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a T1`
`00:21.59`	`Patlabor221`	`so 1.5 megs`
`00:22.08`	`doughecka`	`huh, doesnt seem too fast`
`00:22.21`	`doughecka`	`but it is peak internet time`
`00:22.23`	`Patlabor221`	`depends on other trafic too`
`00:22.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I am pulling down rh9 as well`
`00:22.49`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`00:22.51`	`doughecka`	`that helps`
`00:22.52`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:22.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and it shares the company's connection`
`00:22.58`	`Patlabor221`	`and bzbb`
`00:23.05`	`Patlabor221`	`et. all.`
`00:23.05`	`doughecka`	`yay, completed`
`00:23.24`	`Patlabor221`	`you will need SDL`
`00:23.33`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`00:23.51`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`00:23.52`	`doughecka`	`http://asgard.bakadigital.com/SDL.zip`
`00:23.56`	`doughecka`	`still works :)`
`00:24.04`	`Patlabor221`	`that's just the DLL`
`00:24.10`	`doughecka`	`oh?`
`00:24.12`	`Patlabor221`	`if you want to build you need the libs`
`00:24.16`	`Patlabor221`	`and the headers`
`00:24.18`	`doughecka`	`drats`
`00:24.21`	`doughecka`	`where are those?`
`00:24.22`	`Patlabor221`	`www.libsdl.org`
`00:24.55`	`doughecka`	`7. Rip me off, I'll find ya and get ya.`
`00:25.04`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman_work (~tuckerm@mercury.coinet.com)`
`00:25.08`	`doughecka`	`SDL 1.2?`
`00:25.22`	`doughecka`	`'lo tuckerm@mercury.coinet.com`
`00:26.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:26.32`	`doughecka`	`put it in /lib?`
`00:28.29`	`Patlabor221`	`no, do what they say for install`
`00:28.39`	`Patlabor221`	`it has to go where your visual stuidio will find it`
`00:28.46`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`00:28.49`	`doughecka`	`SDL-devel-1.2.5a-VC6.zip`
`00:28.59`	`doughecka`	`thats correct, or do I want the source for it?`
`00:29.30`	`larsl`	`You don't need the source, only the headers.`
`00:29.48`	`doughecka`	`k`
`00:30.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah jus the .libs and the .h files`
`00:30.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I put the libs in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\Lib`
`00:30.52`	`doughecka`	`ok`
`00:30.53`	`Patlabor221`	`and the headers in C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\Include\SDL`
`00:31.05`	`Patlabor221`	`then they just work fine`
`00:32.26`	`doughecka`	`woo, it compiled`
`00:33.25`	`doughecka`	`bah, wheres the file?`
`00:33.28`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`00:33.45`	`Patlabor221`	`in the root screamers folder`
`00:33.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`00:33.50`	`Patlabor221`	`same level as data`
`00:34.02`	`doughecka`	`ah, I would have to select screamers, not LGE`
`00:34.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi`
`00:34.09`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`00:34.11`	`doughecka`	`Screamers.exe - 16 error(s), 58 warning(s)`
`00:34.11`	`Patlabor221`	`then build all`
`00:34.15`	`Patlabor221`	`hi creeper`
`00:34.23`	`Patlabor221`	`what are the errors?`
`00:34.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`One down, 27 more to go`
`00:34.33`	`doughecka`	`umm`
`00:34.45`	`Patlabor221`	`one down?`
`00:34.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You were the only one who said Hi to me`
`00:35.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Nevermind`
`00:35.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodleman's at work`
`00:35.39`	`doughecka`	`C:\Documents and Settings\Doug\Desktop\screamers\Screamers\AnimMesh.h(13) : fatal error C1083: Cannot open include file: 'TextureMngr.h': No such file or directory`
`00:35.39`	`doughecka`	`Clouds.cpp`
`00:35.51`	`doughecka`	`it has alot of those`
`00:36.06`	`Patlabor221`	`well I realy think there are only like 7-9 people here who are not just lurkers`
`00:36.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know...`
`00:36.29`	`Patlabor221`	`did you choose screamers and hit "rebuild all" ?`
`00:36.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But even Doug didn't reply my greeting`
`00:36.34`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`00:36.35`	`doughecka`	`hi`
`00:36.39`	`Patlabor221`	`are you debug or release?`
`00:36.46`	`doughecka`	`debug or realease?`
`00:36.49`	`doughecka`	`I did release`
`00:36.54`	`Patlabor221`	`try debug`
`00:37.00`	`Patlabor221`	`I have not tried release in a while`
`00:37.04`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`00:37.11`	`Patlabor221`	`may not copy all the proper files`
`00:37.24`	`doughecka`	`ah, thats better :) no errors yet`
`00:37.32`	`doughecka`	`hah, that worked`
`00:37.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I haven't set up all the release build commands yet`
`00:38.03`	`doughecka`	`k`
`00:39.18`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`00:39.22`	`doughecka`	`I like the flag`
`00:39.23`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:39.33`	`doughecka`	`and the hovering effect`
`00:41.45`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (~timr@12-237-241-87.client.attbi.com)`
`00:41.53`	`doughecka`	`hey TimRiker!`
`00:42.25`	`doughecka`	`got your internet up?`
`00:43.18`	`TimRiker`	`er that's @attbi.com`
`00:43.22`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`00:43.32`	`doughecka`	`cuz nobodys in #attbi or attbi.com`
`00:43.52`	`captain_proton`	`hah`
`00:44.05`	`captain_proton`	`oooo`
`00:44.10`	`captain_proton`	`its below 22 degrees now!`
`00:44.13`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`00:44.15`	`doughecka`	`its...`
`00:44.22`	`captain_proton`	`(C)`
`00:44.23`	`doughecka`	`oh, around perfect here`
`00:44.53`	`doughecka`	`(b)`
`00:45.43`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: you know i use xchat`
`00:46.12`	`doughecka`	`(C) showed up as a coffee mug`
`00:46.32`	`captain_proton`	`that would be your crappy client`
`00:46.54`	`doughecka`	`and Patlabor221's crappy client too?`
`00:47.48`	`doughecka`	`[i686/1695MHz] [i686/1533MHz]`
`00:59.39`	`Noodleman_work`	`so, can i type (crap) and see some crap if i'm using trillian?`
`00:59.45`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`01:00.37`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`01:00.43`	`doughecka`	`(pee) is close`
`01:04.23`	`Patlabor221`	`what crapy client?`
`01:04.44`	`Patlabor221`	`the CVS client?`
`01:04.46`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: whichever one doughecka happens to be running`
`01:04.49`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: irc client`
`01:05.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not using the same crapy client he is`
`01:05.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I have a totaly difrent crapy client`
`01:05.41`	`Patlabor221`	`what does your crapy client not do?`
`01:05.48`	`Patlabor221`	`(cat)`
`01:05.51`	`Patlabor221`	`(beer)`
`01:05.53`	`Patlabor221`	`(dog)`
`01:05.54`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`01:05.55`	`Patlabor221`	`all those things`
`01:05.57`	`doughecka`	`it has sounds`
`01:06.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:06.01`	`doughecka`	`(drums)`
`01:06.08`	`doughecka`	`(beep)`
`01:07.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I do like the autolog on trillian`
`01:07.44`	`Patlabor221`	`but I don't care much for it's IRC command subset`
`01:08.10`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`01:11.41`	`captain_proton`	`this should be pretty easy`
`01:11.53`	`captain_proton`	`when you load the model you can create a collision model for it`
`01:18.16`	`Patlabor221`	`think about the case where the tank needs to stit on top of the model`
`01:18.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I was going to use simplified shapes`
`01:18.25`	`Patlabor221`	`BRB`
`01:21.59`	`captain_proton`	`for now you could just use all the tris`
`01:22.11`	`captain_proton`	`then write something to drop it down later`
`01:32.08`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that is true`
`01:32.16`	`Patlabor221`	`tho not everything is made from a model`
`01:32.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I was planing on keeping a list each colision triangles state wether it was a top, bottom, or side tri`
`01:32.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tho you could get that at colision time.`
`01:33.17`	`Patlabor221`	`and uses a cylinder for the tank`
`01:33.26`	`Patlabor221`	`if you want to give it a go, hey why not`
`01:33.56`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you want to log stuff to stdio just make a util for it in utils, and I'll winify it later`
`01:33.56`	`captain_proton`	`i'll play around with it`
`01:35.57`	`Patlabor221`	`the DefaultGameLogic has a method :: DoWorldColisions`
`01:36.17`	`Patlabor221`	`that's where it does the tests between the player and the world objects`
`01:37.00`	`Patlabor221`	`it's intended to modify oNewPhisicals to be in a "safe" spot`
`01:38.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it will be called after the colisions with the outer walls are done, and should set m_pSuportingObject to the object that is holding up the tank if any`
`01:38.19`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I don't recall how much of that is hooked up`
`01:42.08`	`Patlabor221`	`well one USB stick has been won on ebay.`
`01:42.29`	`doughecka`	`yay`
`01:42.44`	`Patlabor221`	`looks like I will have at least 2`
`01:42.56`	`Patlabor221`	`probably 3`
`01:42.58`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps 4`
`01:43.16`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`01:43.21`	`doughecka`	`how much total?`
`01:43.35`	`Patlabor221`	`this one was $12 with shipping`
`01:43.41`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`01:43.46`	`Patlabor221`	`one that I don't know if its USB or not was like 11`
`01:44.03`	`Patlabor221`	`and the 3rd looks to be about 14`
`01:44.03`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`01:44.17`	`Patlabor221`	`and I got one from a friend, so it was free`
`01:44.56`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`01:45.13`	`Patlabor221`	`so I can't send cap the one from my friend, so he gets the first USB ebay one to arive`
`01:45.27`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`01:48.27`	`Patlabor221`	`cus if i can bribe cap in to helpin, then I can go and finish up events, and work out the last of the kinks in the moblist and prediction code`
`01:48.34`	`Patlabor221`	`and then work on geting net hooked up`
`01:48.55`	`Patlabor221`	`and making a server`
`01:50.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and a real logic class`
`01:50.59`	`doughecka`	`anyone know how I can hook up my soundcard to the phone lines?`
`01:51.09`	`Patlabor221`	`then we can see how all these ideas work together`
`01:51.20`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`01:51.21`	`Patlabor221`	`get a voice modem`
`01:51.37`	`doughecka`	`well, I dont really need to hook up my soundcard to it`
`01:51.44`	`Patlabor221`	`you want your PC to be a speaker phone?`
`01:51.48`	`doughecka`	`no`
`01:52.16`	`Patlabor221`	`why?`
`01:52.18`	`doughecka`	`or, better yet, hook my radio up to a cordless phone`
`01:52.40`	`doughecka`	`free "cell" phone :)`
`01:53.03`	`doughecka`	`one way... Radio>radio>phone lines> make phone call`
`01:53.04`	`doughecka`	`or`
`01:53.17`	`Patlabor221`	`how would it dial?`
`01:53.27`	`doughecka`	`no need to`
`01:53.43`	`doughecka`	`the radio has DTMF built in`
`01:53.46`	`doughecka`	`so all I need is a way to take it off hook`
`01:55.10`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: or you could get a ham license and use a phone patch on your local repeater`
`01:55.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I think he has the liscense`
`01:55.36`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: I can do that, but I want my own so I dont tie up the repeater`
`01:55.56`	`doughecka`	`and so I can make my own rules on who can talk on it :)`
`01:56.15`	`Patlabor221`	`well I'm off to see a woman about a baby`
`01:56.42`	`Patlabor221`	`don't like babys?`
`01:56.49`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: if its radio, anyone can talk on it ;)`
`01:56.59`	`captain_proton`	`especially if you're in an unlicensed band`
`01:57.02`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: not if I dont share the PL tone`
`01:57.15`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: not too hard to reverse engineer`
`01:57.24`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: all someone needs to do is record the signal, then they can play back`
`01:57.26`	`doughecka`	`and FRS rules state that having it hooked up to the phone is illegal`
`01:57.44`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya all`
`01:57.55`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: a PL tone is a subtone`
`01:58.18`	`captain_proton`	`so?`
`01:58.34`	`doughecka`	`and yes, my radio does decode PL tones`
`01:59.30`	`doughecka`	`but if I dont tell anyone my freq, and have a PL tone, nobodys gonna bother it. Also most hams are nice about that stuff, and if you tell them to dont use it, then they wont use it`
`01:59.38`	`doughecka`	`what ever for?`
`01:59.55`	`captain_proton`	`for when you break a rule`
`02:00.02`	`doughecka`	`what rule?`
`02:00.14`	`captain_proton`	`oh i dunno`
`02:00.21`	`captain_proton`	`you'll create an automated station or something`
`02:00.29`	`doughecka`	`nothing bad about a beacon`
`02:00.45`	`captain_proton`	`there are a LOT of rules about automated stations`
`02:00.48`	`captain_proton`	`like remote shutdown`
`02:00.52`	`doughecka`	`yes`
`02:01.20`	`doughecka`	`but if its a passive autopatch, where nothing goes out unless I talk to it, then everythings OK`
`02:59.48`	`*** join/#bzflag CobraA1 (~jeremiah_@68.114.205.4)`
`03:07.18`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`03:07.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hello`
`03:07.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`People`
`03:19.35`	`captain_proton`	`we should create some bzflag pants`
`03:19.48`	`captain_proton`	`with "cannon fodder" written across the backside`
`03:19.59`	`CobraA1`	`Or a target`
`03:20.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`03:20.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`A jumping tank`
`03:20.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or a bullet`
`03:20.24`	`captain_proton`	`CobraA1: :)`
`03:20.27`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: boring`
`03:20.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-(`
`03:37.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YAWN`
`03:37.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Either I'm ignored, or there is NO ONE talking!`
`03:39.23`	`*** topic/#bzflag by [STC]_creeperz -> Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ is back \|\| "I don't know what happened, but we seem to have taken on a lot of clocks" \|\| "i sure do like pigeons" (noodleman) \| http://www.noodle`
`03:39.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oopz`
`03:39.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`03:39.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I will never do that again!`
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`03:40.09`	`*** topic/#bzflag by [STC]_creeperz -> Restart bzfs to get back in the list \|\| Best Free Multiplayer Action Game http://happypenguin.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=549 \|\| http://BZFlag.org/ \|\| http://list.bzflag.org/ \|\| http://www.cafeshops.com/bzflag \|\| http://stats.bzflag.org/ is back \|\| "I don't know what happened, but we seem to have taken on a lot of clocks" \|\| "i sure do like pigeons" (noodleman) \| http://www.noodle`
`03:40.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
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`03:40.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`03:40.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ummm?`
`03:40.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OK!`
`03:40.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~lock [STC] creeperz`
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`05:37.55`	`captain_proton`	`where is patlabor?`
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`07:25.56`	`captain_proton`	`hiya Patlabor221`
`07:26.04`	`Patlabor221`	`sup`
`07:26.53`	`captain_proton`	`not a whole lot`
`07:27.54`	`captain_proton`	`yerself?`
`07:28.32`	`Patlabor221`	`ehh, just ogt back from helping my friends set some stuff up for there new baby`
`07:28.51`	`captain_proton`	`fun(?)`
`07:28.57`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`07:29.08`	`Patlabor221`	`and then we played zelda`
`07:29.22`	`captain_proton`	`heh`
`07:30.34`	`Patlabor221`	`trying to see what the status of the X-box -> USB adapter is`
`07:31.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm thinking I could be able to find plans on how to make one`
`07:31.46`	`captain_proton`	`well the biggest thing is the female connector for the xbox side`
`07:31.58`	`captain_proton`	`female connectors for usb are easy to find (digikey)`
`07:32.06`	`Patlabor221`	`well it's got that "breakawy" part`
`07:32.09`	`captain_proton`	`then you just connect the right pins together`
`07:32.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I think I can tie in there`
`07:32.23`	`Patlabor221`	`seems the Xbox has 5 wires`
`07:33.05`	`captain_proton`	`xbox connectors are usb`
`07:33.12`	`captain_proton`	`they probably ran a second ground wire`
`07:33.18`	`captain_proton`	`or just an NC wire`
`07:33.24`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that's what I'm thinkin`
`07:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I recall seeing a diagram`
`07:33.45`	`Patlabor221`	`just trying to find it again`
`07:33.47`	`Patlabor221`	`and then drivers`
`07:34.26`	`captain_proton`	`i'm sure they're just HID devices`
`07:34.28`	`captain_proton`	`MS is lazy`
`07:34.53`	`Patlabor221`	`I recall there being some sort of driver`
`07:35.04`	`captain_proton`	`hmm`
`07:35.13`	`Patlabor221`	`but maybe not`
`07:35.14`	`captain_proton`	`i suppose its possible they worked out a vendor-specific command set`
`07:35.18`	`Patlabor221`	`this was in the early days`
`07:35.29`	`captain_proton`	`seems silly when they could just use the HID driver already writted`
`07:37.06`	`Patlabor221`	`well I'll grab one and bring it home`
`07:37.10`	`Patlabor221`	`and see what I can do`
`07:37.34`	`Patlabor221`	`woudl have to be better then this crap controler I have here`
`07:37.57`	`captain_proton`	`gorilla hands?`
`07:38.10`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`07:38.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I rather like the xbox contorler`
`07:38.27`	`Patlabor221`	`tho a controler S wold be nice`
`07:38.54`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder what the cube controler uses`
`07:40.23`	`captain_proton`	`dunno`
`07:40.34`	`captain_proton`	`possibly the same thing NES/SNES/n64 used`
`07:40.39`	`captain_proton`	`(synchronous serial)`
`07:40.43`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe`
`07:40.52`	`Patlabor221`	`has 2 analog contolers`
`07:40.59`	`captain_proton`	`would have to open it up and look`
`07:41.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and it has he datalink to a GBA`
`07:41.24`	`captain_proton`	`probably a good deal more complicated then`
`07:41.42`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`07:42.39`	`captain_proton`	`i want a cube`
`07:42.44`	`captain_proton`	`on which to play monkey ball`
`07:43.58`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm seems to need a driver`
`07:43.58`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.codeunderground.com/cucode.html`
`07:44.46`	`captain_proton`	`i got confused with what your collision code in there did :)`
`07:45.02`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh what part?`
`07:45.18`	`Patlabor221`	`it wasn't nrealy complete`
`07:45.34`	`captain_proton`	`the existing stuff in Collide()`
`07:45.44`	`captain_proton`	`it looked like box fell back to cylindrical, which fell back to sphere`
`07:45.54`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh yeah that was some old stuff`
`07:46.08`	`Patlabor221`	`was going to replace it with calls to the colision model`
`07:46.39`	`Patlabor221`	`it should have been, if SPhere passed, then Cylinder, then box`
`07:46.45`	`Patlabor221`	`then I found coldet`
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`07:47.02`	`captain_proton`	`haha, my joystick is so ghetto`
`07:47.07`	`Patlabor221`	`that's why I was in the process of making the ColisionObject class that called coldet`
`07:47.13`	`captain_proton`	`its about 10 years old, 3-axis 4 button :)`
`07:47.18`	`Patlabor221`	`well yoyu'll have a new one soon`
`07:48.20`	`captain_proton`	`"for professional players" it says`
`07:48.29`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`07:49.30`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm an easy conversion seems to be crack open the controler and replace the cable`
`07:49.43`	`Patlabor221`	`I wonder if I could wire in 2 sables`
`07:49.43`	`captain_proton`	`makes sense`
`07:49.46`	`Patlabor221`	`calbles`
`07:49.50`	`Patlabor221`	`gahhh`
`07:49.55`	`Patlabor221`	`wire in 2 cables`
`07:49.59`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: yeah, but don't hook it up in multiple places`
`07:50.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, basicly use one or the other`
`07:50.21`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.blagged-hardware.net/index.php?index=41`
`07:52.16`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm wonder if SDL has a force feedback wraper`
`07:52.55`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: nope`
`07:53.08`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: hm, the mod on that page looks hard to get 2 cables in there`
`07:53.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I saw that, but I have a 3rd party controller that is extra`
`07:53.35`	`captain_proton`	`what you might do is build a little thing in the middle of the xbox cable that splices it`
`07:53.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I will see what I can do`
`07:53.45`	`captain_proton`	`instead of trying to attach them inside the controller`
`07:53.54`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I can splice at the breakaway`
`07:54.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sure I have a busted USB mouse somewhere`
`07:55.34`	`Patlabor221`	`does linux have any stuff for force feedback?`
`07:55.59`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: from those photos it looks like the extra wire is chassis ground`
`07:56.14`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: i haven't really looked but i vaguely remember seeing something about some very alpha code`
`07:56.39`	`Patlabor221`	`they say that it's the "yellow wire" that is suspeced to be something that tells if the breakwaway cable is unhooked`
`07:57.45`	`Patlabor221`	`moslty just curious`
`07:57.50`	`captain_proton`	`thats odd that they have that wire then`
`07:58.02`	`Patlabor221`	`force feedback would be neat at some later date :)`
`07:58.03`	`captain_proton`	`because USB does plug-in detection`
`07:58.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know,, they may just be guessing`
`07:58.17`	`Patlabor221`	`that is true`
`07:58.26`	`Patlabor221`	`it may be to support the memory cards`
`07:59.03`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: it all communicates over the usb`
`07:59.07`	`Patlabor221`	`so the electricity wouldn't leak out , duh :)`
`07:59.21`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: why wouldn't they just add some descriptors to the USB HID data?`
`07:59.35`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, yeah but it seems to be non standard, the linux people are unable to access them as normal USB drive type devices`
`08:00.11`	`captain_proton`	`not surprising`
`08:00.13`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe it's just there to make people thing it's needed :)`
`08:01.42`	`captain_proton`	`heh`
`08:02.03`	`captain_proton`	`could be the cables they wanted had 5 wires`
`08:02.12`	`captain_proton`	`would be interesting to trace the connections on the pcb`
`08:04.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well perhaps for you :)`
`08:06.35`	`captain_proton`	`heh`
`08:06.35`	`Patlabor221`	`well if you have any other ideas about collision detection I am all ears, I am kind of out of my element in that respect.`
`08:06.35`	`Patlabor221`	`have never had good luck with doing collisions and responces`
`08:06.35`	`captain_proton`	`i've been looking at how best to hook up coldet`
`08:06.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it seems a simple enough API`
`08:06.35`	`captain_proton`	`its not really as hard as i was making it out to be, i'm pretty familiar with your coding style`
`08:06.35`	`Patlabor221`	`and my horible mispellings?`
`08:06.35`	`captain_proton`	`yup`
`08:06.38`	`captain_proton`	`defalut!`
`08:06.48`	`Patlabor221`	`not deflaut? :)`
`08:07.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I wish I had a nural keyboard.`
`08:07.38`	`captain_proton`	`nural?`
`08:07.54`	`captain_proton`	`neural?`
`08:07.54`	`Patlabor221`	`god how does one spell it`
`08:07.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yes!`
`08:08.38`	`Patlabor221`	`i just type like it sounds, there must be some compression going on between brain and fingers.`
`08:08.59`	`Patlabor221`	`lossy compresion at that.`
`08:09.32`	`Patlabor221`	`need a neural version of zlib`
`08:13.43`	`captain_proton`	`yup`
`08:19.38`	`Patlabor221`	`ha http://www.pvponline.com`
`08:22.49`	`captain_proton`	`hehe`
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`08:39.06`	`Patlabor221`	`well time fer bed`
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`14:11.43`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`17:11.57`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap, here is the jopysicks I'm getting`
`17:11.57`	`Patlabor2211`	`http://ebay1.ipixmedia.com/abc/M28/_EBAY_c100aa9cf45d5475c27a95c28ae9c2e8/i-1.JPG`
`17:13.05`	`prot-work`	`Patlabor2211: nifty`
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`17:42.32`	`Cell`	`lo`
`17:43.35`	`Cell`	`can i connect two different lans with a bridge?`
`17:43.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`17:43.55`	`Cell`	`why not?`
`17:44.12`	`Cell`	`i thought a bridge operates on the data link layer`
`17:45.07`	`prot-work`	`Cell: depends how the LANs are set up`
`17:45.20`	`prot-work`	`Cell: you'll run into big problems if there are any subnet conflicts`
`17:45.25`	`Patlabor2211`	`ohh I'm sure it's posible, just I doubt your ability`
`17:45.30`	`Cell`	`token ring and ethernet`
`17:46.03`	`Cell`	`yes i doubt my ability too`
`17:46.32`	`Cell`	`IEEE 802.3 with 802.5`
`17:47.14`	`prot-work`	`Cell: probably a lot easier to replace out the token right net`
`17:47.22`	`Cell`	`a router should work since it operates on the transport layer`
`17:47.30`	`Cell`	`i dont get it`
`17:48.16`	`Cell`	`hm cannot replace`
`17:49.34`	`Cell`	`i should replace the ETHERNET with FAST ETHERNET`
`17:49.37`	`Cell`	`could`
`17:52.01`	`Cell`	`then i could fly a real airplane too`
`17:52.26`	`Cell`	`you never know when this gets handy`
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`17:58.50`	`Cell`	`hm`
`17:59.36`	`Cell`	`i read both tanenbaum books this week, too many informations`
`17:59.50`	`Cell`	`i forgot half of what i read`
`18:00.07`	`Cell`	`that is a problem`
`18:00.20`	`Cell`	`cause i have a test on wendsday`
`18:00.37`	`Cell`	`about networks operating systems and robotics`
`18:01.50`	`Cell`	`how can OS avoid deadlocks?`
`18:02.23`	`Cell`	`or when do they occur`
`18:02.39`	`Cell`	`waht is an OS?`
`18:03.08`	`Cell`	`sounds stupid, but this are the kind of starting questions in the test`
`18:03.22`	`Cell`	`its not so easy as it seems`
`18:03.41`	`Cell`	`if you have to explain it`
`18:04.15`	`Cell`	`what type of system calls would you place into a mini kernel?`
`18:07.22`	`Cell`	`what is the MAC layer and what is it needed for?`
`18:08.06`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
`18:10.09`	`Cell`	`Why is shortest job first sheduling not used?`
`18:10.40`	`captain_proton`	`because you almost always don't know how long a job will take`
`18:10.43`	`Cell`	`what is a semaphor, and what operation does it support?`
`18:11.21`	`Cell`	`captain_proton: right some jobs could starvate`
`18:12.20`	`Cell`	`ah, your anser is the correct one`
`18:15.09`	`Cell`	`whats guaranteed sheduling?`
`18:15.49`	`Cell`	`what is a monitor?`
`18:18.02`	`Cell`	`how does inverse kinematic work?`
`18:18.51`	`Cell`	`what is a sliding window?`
`18:20.07`	`Cell`	`why is arctan better then arcsin when considering euler angels?`
`18:20.57`	`Cell`	`is broadcasting possible in the internet, if true how?`
`18:21.52`	`Cell`	`what is Kerberos?`
`18:23.43`	`Cell`	`what is ALOHA, and what is slotted ALOHA`
`18:24.03`	`Cell`	`explain p-persistent CSMA`
`18:24.32`	`Cell`	`what is 100baseTX cabel?`
`18:27.19`	`Cell`	`how does CRC work`
`18:27.31`	`Cell`	`what is bit stuffing`
`18:27.50`	`Cell`	`whai the manchester code`
`18:28.49`	`Cell`	`what allocation algorithm for dynamic mem(heap) is best:best Fit, first Fit or Buddy?`
`18:29.35`	`Cell`	`is CSMA/CD realtime able?`
`18:30.20`	`Cell`	`what is a homogenous vector?`
`18:31.50`	`Cell`	`god i get a bad test mark`
`18:33.14`	`Cell`	`and i have a brandnew prof, nobody could tell what he asks and if he is nice`
`18:34.14`	`Cell`	`whats the JOIN operation in databeses?`
`18:34.46`	`Cell`	`how could you represent knowledge?`
`18:35.11`	`Cell`	`how would you save an image in a database`
`18:36.01`	`Cell`	`how is text organized for full text searches`
`18:36.24`	`Cell`	`my answer would be: in a hash table`
`18:37.33`	`Cell`	`explain the ENTITY RRELATIONSHIP model`
`18:38.23`	`Cell`	`what is a Causal Network and how does it work?`
`18:39.02`	`Cell`	`what is better for distance measure two or one camera?`
`18:40.10`	`Cell`	`what is the alpha beta search algo, and how is it used in a chess game?`
`18:41.16`	`Cell`	`can BASIC be compiled?`
`18:43.40`	`Cell`	`what is the complexity of Dijsktras's shortest past algorithm`
`18:43.46`	`Cell`	`path`
`18:44.28`	`Cell`	`how does the hot potato rout algo work`
`18:45.48`	`Cell`	`damn`
`18:46.04`	`Cell`	`i have to write a summary`
`18:46.40`	`Cell`	`of 3000 Pages of yak yak`
`18:47.48`	`Cell`	`the automata stuff was much better to learn`
`18:48.15`	`Cell`	`damn`
`18:48.27`	`Cell`	`never need that later again`
`18:49.14`	`Cell`	`wow, i think i buy ms flight simulator, it can be played online`
`18:49.51`	`Cell`	`thats gona be fun with my geforce 4`
`18:50.55`	`Cell`	`not mx`
`18:50.56`	`Cell`	`:)`
`18:51.00`	`Cell`	`finally`
`18:51.31`	`Cell`	`bah`
`18:53.53`	`Cell`	`i go to the video rent shop now, maybe they have the simulator`
`18:56.59`	`cowudder`	`man i found so many new proxies`
`18:57.08`	`cowudder`	`but goat to go`
`18:57.16`	`cowudder`	`lol`
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`19:03.53`	`cowudder`	`lo`
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`19:13.12`	`Cell`	`puh`
`19:13.20`	`Cell`	`pretty cold outside today`
`19:13.37`	`Cell`	`but damn they have only the combat simulator`
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`19:35.31`	`greg1`	`Hi everyone`
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`20:19.52`	`captain_proton`	`doodeedoo`
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`20:25.29`	`_Monirc_`	`hi`
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`20:27.04`	`PerfectCell`	`lo`
`20:27.09`	`_Monirc_`	`whats up`
`20:27.12`	`PerfectCell`	`hi tim`
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`20:30.50`	`*** join/#bzflag Cell (~fi@cache4-1.ruh.isu.net.sa)`
`20:31.17`	`Cell`	`first i need to make a z- buffer for each photo`
`20:31.24`	`Cell`	`how do i do that?`
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`20:55.34`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: poke`
`20:55.45`	`captain_proton`	`how is trTriangle a triangle?`
`20:56.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`is that my index?`
`20:56.25`	`captain_proton`	`huh?`
`20:56.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`where do you see this?`
`20:57.37`	`captain_proton`	`in Model.cpp`
`20:57.45`	`captain_proton`	`OBJ loader`
`20:57.52`	`captain_proton`	`it uses trTriangle`
`20:58.00`	`captain_proton`	`but trTriangle has each vertex as a 'long'`
`20:58.10`	`captain_proton`	`(one dimensional tri?)`
`20:58.11`	`Patlabor2211`	`index into a vertex aray`
`20:58.22`	`Patlabor2211`	`since the models can be animated`
`20:58.27`	`captain_proton`	`ahhh`
`20:58.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`the vertex aray changes`
`20:58.29`	`captain_proton`	`hrm`
`20:58.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`that is why I was thinking of jsut using a simplified static mesh`
`20:58.58`	`captain_proton`	`that makes generating a CollisionModel3D for it kind of a pain`
`20:59.00`	`Patlabor2211`	`like a cylinger`
`20:59.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`for poly acurate colisions yes`
`20:59.12`	`captain_proton`	`cylingers make for unrealistic physics ;)`
`20:59.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`close enough is all I need`
`20:59.53`	`captain_proton`	`but but but`
`20:59.57`	`captain_proton`	`thats not fun :)`
`21:00.10`	`captain_proton`	`just imagine watching your ship go bouncing around and after a second or so reorient itself`
`21:00.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`I was thinking of having the default colison volume be a box, then being able to provide a more accurate optional colision mesh for those that want it`
`21:00.51`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap that may be neat to look at, but how will it play?`
`21:01.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`and if you get ti working with boxes and coldet we can allways put better meshes in there later.`
`21:01.30`	`captain_proton`	`i think it would play fine`
`21:01.42`	`captain_proton`	`since you're hovering, you could just have the pod spin back upright`
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`21:01.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`perhaps`
`21:01.51`	`Cell`	`lo`
`21:01.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`I'm not against trying it`
`21:02.08`	`captain_proton`	`would make it so you have to try to avoid bumping into things :)`
`21:02.19`	`Cell`	`i want to make 3d meshes from photos, how do i do that�`
`21:02.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`most map objects won't be animated`
`21:02.23`	`captain_proton`	`or else you lose a little bit of time`
`21:02.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`and the ones that do, I think can use a static mesh`
`21:02.38`	`captain_proton`	`for now i'll just generate a collision model for the initial mesh`
`21:02.44`	`Patlabor2211`	`frame 1?`
`21:02.47`	`Patlabor2211`	`that shoudl be fine`
`21:02.57`	`Cell`	`i want to make photos from girls with bikini into a 3d mesh`
`21:03.17`	`Patlabor2211`	`tho for stuff like the flag, it would be better served with a small cylinder for the pole, since you should not bounce off the cloth :)`
`21:03.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`and cap, remember that some objects will be parametric.`
`21:03.49`	`captain_proton`	`in OBJ?`
`21:03.54`	`Cell`	`i make the photos from some neccessary perspectives`
`21:03.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`21:04.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`not every thing is an OBJ`
`21:04.05`	`Cell`	`then i need to make a 3d z buffer for each`
`21:04.09`	`Patlabor2211`	`the boxes and the pyramis`
`21:04.21`	`Patlabor2211`	`the OBJMesh is just one object type in the map`
`21:04.30`	`captain_proton`	`so the numbers in the trTriangle are indexes into the 'verts' array?`
`21:04.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`yes`
`21:04.54`	`Patlabor2211`	`take a look at CMesh::Draw`
`21:05.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`tho it does the inerpolation too`
`21:05.09`	`Cell`	`man dont u know the obj file format`
`21:05.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`cell you have no clue what you are talking about, so shut hit`
`21:05.34`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: i'm writing this into the file loaders`
`21:05.36`	`Cell`	`i know`
`21:05.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap, why?`
`21:05.49`	`Cell`	`i use obj to quad edge`
`21:05.56`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: um...dunno :)`
`21:06.01`	`captain_proton`	`is there a better function?`
`21:06.10`	`Patlabor2211`	`make a new function`
`21:06.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`to get it after it's been loades`
`21:06.40`	`captain_proton`	`i guess i could throw it at the end of Load()`
`21:06.49`	`captain_proton`	`err`
`21:06.55`	`Cell`	`Dear Mr Patlabor2211 do you need a shower?`
`21:06.57`	`captain_proton`	`i guess a new function works`
`21:07.07`	`Patlabor2211`	`some meshes won't have coliders`
`21:07.49`	`Cell`	`so you do the coldet collision like project 2501`
`21:08.04`	`Patlabor2211`	`P2501 was buggy`
`21:08.11`	`Patlabor2211`	`right now we are experementing`
`21:08.17`	`Cell`	`ah`
`21:08.43`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: i guess the bouncing around might be a bit confusing in 1st person mode :)`
`21:08.49`	`captain_proton`	`3rd person it would work fine`
`21:09.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`that is my concern`
`21:09.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`but it should not change between the 2`
`21:09.31`	`Patlabor2211`	`but we can allways see`
`21:10.22`	`Cell`	`use ODE`
`21:10.29`	`Patlabor2211`	`ODE is overkill`
`21:10.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`since all things are rigid`
`21:10.36`	`Cell`	`no`
`21:10.42`	`Cell`	`its for futere too`
`21:10.43`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: ODE doesn't do soft-body`
`21:10.51`	`captain_proton`	`but ODE has a lot of extra crud that we don't need`
`21:10.53`	`captain_proton`	`like articulations`
`21:11.01`	`Patlabor2211`	`ya`
`21:11.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`scanlines card is out for delivery today`
`21:11.23`	`Cell`	`articulations?`
`21:11.42`	`Patlabor2211`	`left the Boulder CO this AM at 5:52`
`21:11.47`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: cool, i'll let him know`
`21:13.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`now this is funny, Cartman singing "come sail away with me"`
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`21:15.18`	`Cell`	`damn proxy`
`21:15.26`	`Cell`	`articulations?`
`21:15.44`	`Patlabor2211`	`perhaps that shoudl tell you something?`
`21:16.00`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: you should rename License.txt as COPYING`
`21:16.03`	`Cell`	`me?`
`21:16.09`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok`
`21:16.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`is that the standard GNU way?`
`21:16.35`	`Cell`	`what is the endresult supposed to be of what you are doing?`
`21:16.37`	`captain_proton`	`Cell: don't start advocating physics packages unless you understand them`
`21:16.45`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: sortof, yeah. automake wants it`
`21:16.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok`
`21:17.07`	`Cell`	`captain_proton:why do ypu thing i dont understand the things im saying`
`21:17.18`	`captain_proton`	`also wants 'NEWS', 'README', 'AUTHORS' and 'ChangeLog' but those aren't quite as necessary`
`21:17.34`	`captain_proton`	`when running automake -a it will automatically copy in the GPL as COPYING if you don't have the file already`
`21:17.35`	`Patlabor2211`	`cus you don't even know what an articulation is/`
`21:17.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`k I'll rename it`
`21:17.53`	`Cell`	`maybe i dont know the english word`
`21:18.05`	`captain_proton`	`~x en de articulation`
`21:18.18`	`captain_proton`	`could be the translator uses the wrong defintion for that`
`21:18.19`	`doughecka`	`I do`
`21:18.22`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:18.23`	`Cell`	`it makes no physicall sense when translated`
`21:18.55`	`Cell`	`a a connection`
`21:19.39`	`Cell`	`barbapapa`
`21:19.58`	`captain_proton`	`argg`
`21:20.01`	`Cell`	`i have used have in 3d max`
`21:20.03`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: help`
`21:20.06`	`Cell`	`havok`
`21:20.19`	`Patlabor2211`	`ok copying is commited`
`21:20.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`havok is $$$$$`
`21:20.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`and seems to be ragdoll stuff`
`21:20.40`	`Cell`	`yes and it has errors`
`21:20.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`all things have some error`
`21:21.03`	`Cell`	`its not stable`
`21:21.59`	`Patlabor2211`	`stable enough for UT 2l3`
`21:23.13`	`Patlabor2211`	`but I trus that cap will find somethign that is fun`
`21:23.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`just so long as you can't get "stuck"`
`21:25.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap if you do need a common load point, the place where everything is acutlay read is LoadOne inside CModelManager`
`21:25.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`and it has a dumb ass error in the header :(`
`21:26.00`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: i added a function BuildCollision and called it from CModel::Load right after BuildList`
`21:26.10`	`captain_proton`	`right now i'm banging my head against automake`
`21:26.15`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: 'lo? :P`
`21:26.32`	`Patlabor2211`	`CModle?`
`21:26.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`Model?`
`21:26.42`	`Patlabor2211`	`ohh shit`
`21:26.49`	`Patlabor2211`	`your in the wrong spot`
`21:26.53`	`captain_proton`	`arg`
`21:27.04`	`Patlabor2211`	`that file is not even suposed to be in LGE anymore`
`21:27.13`	`Patlabor2211`	`look at AnimMesh.cpp and .h`
`21:27.17`	`Patlabor2211`	`in the screamers`
`21:27.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`that's where all the moels are loaded`
`21:27.49`	`Patlabor2211`	`you can pull model.cpp and model.h`
`21:27.53`	`Patlabor2211`	`they are never used.`
`21:28.04`	`Patlabor2211`	`you want to do it in CModelManager`
`21:28.10`	`Patlabor2211`	`after LoadOne`
`21:28.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`it treats models like it does textures`
`21:28.35`	`captain_proton`	`#endif//_ANIME_MESH_H_`
`21:28.37`	`Patlabor2211`	`scans for them, then just leads the ones it needs`
`21:28.43`	`Patlabor2211`	`:)`
`21:28.58`	`Patlabor2211`	`it will automaticly read between 4 difrent formats`
`21:29.05`	`Patlabor2211`	`and put them all in a common structure`
`21:29.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`I would just make the colison model off of Frame 0`
`21:32.18`	`Patlabor2211`	`honeslty cap, I would make the CColideableOBject take a CAnimMesh and build the colison volume form that`
`21:32.30`	`Patlabor2211`	`and also have it be able to make a box.`
`21:32.48`	`Patlabor2211`	`then each map object can have it's own colison mehs`
`21:33.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`since each object can scale the mesh`
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`21:54.20`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`21:58.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YAWN`
`21:58.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Good day, everyone!`
`21:58.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noodle, What's up? Even there? :-)`
`21:59.02`	`Patlabor2211`	`seems he's at work`
`21:59.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff: What yu working on?`
`21:59.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:59.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`pOpUtils.h`
`21:59.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`21:59.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`For Screamers?`
`21:59.33`	`Patlabor2211`	`no`
`21:59.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`21:59.52`	`Patlabor2211`	`Virtual.exe`
`22:00.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, it seems I made, well, junk out of my computer!`
`22:00.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Virtual.exe? What's that?`
`22:00.15`	`Patlabor2211`	`?`
`22:00.24`	`Patlabor2211`	`Cad/CAM software`
`22:00.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`22:01.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The majority of my programs won't work for some reason :-/ I try to convince myself that it's just from being on too long. But I need to face the facts: Nothing lives forever!`
`22:01.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`They start up only to crash`
`22:02.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And the desc. for FPS lag is my computer`
`22:02.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And plus this guy (from ebay) has not sent me my RHL 8.0 discs yet`
`22:03.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:03.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I promised my friend I would get on RS`
`22:03.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I need to get to that`
`22:03.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Help him with a quest`
`22:03.37`	`Patlabor2211`	`I would do a repair on windows ME`
`22:03.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`then get to the current updates`
`22:03.50`	`Patlabor2211`	`then current drivers`
`22:04.00`	`Patlabor2211`	`that will get you back to a sorta clean state`
`22:04.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I am just going to reboot ME, well, reformat, I think that's the term`
`22:04.27`	`Patlabor2211`	`if you reformat you lose all your exinsting data`
`22:04.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh, sometimes DOS 2 seems better than ME!`
`22:04.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I really wouldn't care. All junk, anyway`
`22:05.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And the things I DO need, heh, I put them in an email attachment and email them to my self`
`22:05.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think my computer is working a bit better now`
`22:05.42`	`Patlabor2211`	`well then you could reinsall ME, then put Redhat in there too and dual boot`
`22:05.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nah`
`22:05.52`	`Patlabor2211`	`cus redhat will not run all your windows apps`
`22:05.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`22:06.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I use XP ;-)`
`22:06.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I but later on this year or so`
`22:06.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`XP is not bad`
`22:06.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, the lady decided not to buy my car`
`22:06.41`	`Patlabor2211`	`if you understand what it is.`
`22:07.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-( So I'm stuck with this junk for another year or two`
`22:08.03`	`Patlabor2211`	`too bad you don't have a burner`
`22:08.19`	`doughecka`	`or a crusher`
`22:08.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have a stove! That burns things, too!`
`22:09.55`	`Patlabor2211`	`cap CVS up, I fixed a stupid issue in AnimMesh.h`
`22:18.04`	`captain_proton`	`yup`
`22:18.11`	`captain_proton`	`only way it would be cooler is if it was svn ;)`
`22:35.36`	`Patlabor2211`	`it will be svn when the client gets like 2 more features`
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`22:38.15`	`Patlabor2211`	`someone ganked my soldering iron :(`
`22:38.37`	`captain_proton`	`whatcha need to solder?`
`22:38.39`	`doughecka`	`ugh`
`22:41.40`	`Patlabor2211`	`usb connector into an x-box controller`
`22:41.46`	`captain_proton`	`ohh right`
`22:42.05`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor2211: should i make CCollideableObject take a CMesh?`
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`22:45.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`well an object can have multiple meshes`
`22:45.26`	`Patlabor2211`	`I woud make it take a CAnimModel`
`22:45.42`	`Patlabor2211`	`and add all the messhes`
`22:45.58`	`captain_proton`	`k`
`22:46.12`	`Patlabor2211`	`unless we want multipleCCollideableOBjects`
`22:47.13`	`captain_proton`	`i don't think it matters`
`22:49.07`	`Patlabor2211`	`your call`
`22:49.31`	`captain_proton`	`:)`
`22:50.44`	`captain_proton`	`off to work`
`22:50.52`	`captain_proton`	`though i'll probably do this from there`
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`23:06.51`	`[dmp]`	`howdy calico`
`23:11.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`wow, my modchip finaly came in`
`23:11.38`	`Patlabor2211`	`man I could port bz`
`23:32.14`	`prot-coalmines`	`Patlabor2211: where are the vertices actually stored?`
`23:32.20`	`prot-coalmines`	`i see the indexes in CMesh`
`23:33.56`	`Patlabor2211`	`they are in the anim model, since meshes can share.`
`23:34.14`	`Patlabor2211`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:34.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`typedef struct`
`23:34.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`{`
`23:34.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:34.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`<PROTECTED>`
`23:34.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`}trAnimFrame;`
`23:35.00`	`prot-coalmines`	`k`
`23:43.08`	`Patlabor2211`	`ha got a soldering iron, now I can do some dammage`
`23:50.25`	`prot-coalmines`	`hmmmm`
`23:50.33`	`prot-coalmines`	`undefined reference to 'GetTickCount()'`
`23:50.39`	`prot-coalmines`	`looks like they expect it to be exported by the application?`
`23:50.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Later peepz`
`23:52.16`	`Patlabor2211`	`where do I call that?`
`23:53.01`	`prot-coalmines`	`you don't`
`23:53.03`	`prot-coalmines`	`coldet does`
`23:53.20`	`Patlabor2211`	`I think thats a windows thing`
`23:53.27`	`prot-coalmines`	`nono`
`23:53.30`	`prot-coalmines`	`its defined for all platforms`
`23:53.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`ohh cool`
`23:53.41`	`prot-coalmines`	`it looks like they want the person using the library to write it as a hook into everything else`
`23:54.22`	`Patlabor2211`	`I see`
`23:54.34`	`Patlabor2211`	`like to hook it into the CTime class?`
`23:54.38`	`Patlabor2211`	`or CTimer`
`23:54.46`	`Patlabor2211`	`ahh the smell of a new iron`
`23:55.15`	`prot-coalmines`	`Patlabor2211: yeah, but i'm not quite sure what its supposed to return`
`23:56.45`	`prot-coalmines`	`ok, just the current time in ms`
`23:57.19`	`Patlabor2211`	`and we have that in seconds, shoudl be easy to get`
`23:57.51`	`prot-coalmines`	`is there a global CLGETime instance?`
`23:58.28`	`Patlabor2211`	`no, but you coudl make one if you wanted`
`23:58.39`	`Patlabor2211`	`it's presenly in the GameLoop`
`23:59.35`	`Patlabor2211`	`just set a up a global pointer in Utils or something`
`23:59.59`	`prot-coalmines`	`time to leave here`

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