irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030402

`00:05.32`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`00:06.05`	`larsl`	`stnapmrepS bobegoopS is killing teammates.`
`00:06.11`	`larsl`	`Read his name backwards. =P`
`00:06.41`	`Patlabor221`	`again :(`
`00:07.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't get in it's full`
`00:07.53`	`larsl`	`Can't you observe?`
`00:08.01`	`Patlabor221`	`opps :)`
`00:11.12`	`larsl`	`Is he really an admin?`
`00:14.21`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`00:14.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Awesome!`
`00:14.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I just found a virus on my computer and deleted it... IT was pretty cool ;-)`
`00:15.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~virus`
`00:15.05`		`methinks virus is A program that makes unbidden copies of itself in order to proliferate. Usually plays a role either as graffiti or for malicious intent.`
`00:15.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yup`
`00:15.52`	`hic`	`creeperz wheres your server`
`00:15.53`	`Patlabor221`	`man that guy is an ass`
`00:16.01`	`hic`	`who`
`00:16.05`	`Patlabor221`	`larsl somehow he got an admin`
`00:16.08`	`Patlabor221`	`spoogebob`
`00:16.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Spoogebob? Where?`
`00:16.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I hate that guy`
`00:17.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`larsl is an admin?`
`00:17.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My server is down for the time being`
`00:17.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Won't rightly work for some odd reason`
`00:17.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:/`
`00:18.05`	`Patlabor221`	`he was on xmission`
`00:18.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Noone but I can join`
`00:18.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:18.12`	`Patlabor221`	`I baned his procxys' sbnet`
`00:18.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He takes your flag to other bases`
`00:18.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And TK's`
`00:18.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He's a square loser`
`00:18.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...All the way around`
`00:18.58`	`hic`	`i hate that`
`00:18.59`	`hic`	`guy`
`00:19.02`	`captain_proton`	`square loser?`
`00:19.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Spoogebob Spermpants`
`00:19.13`	`hic`	`square pants`
`00:19.33`	`captain_proton`	`i know who you're talking about`
`00:19.37`	`captain_proton`	`but what does 'square loser' mean?`
`00:19.52`	`Patlabor221`	`Tim has been notified of his threats`
`00:19.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Square- a freekin' retard`
`00:19.55`	`hic`	`loser`
`00:20.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`and a loser ;-)`
`00:20.09`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder how he got admin`
`00:20.11`	`hic`	`yep`
`00:20.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who?`
`00:20.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who got admin?`
`00:20.19`	`Patlabor221`	`spooge`
`00:20.22`	`hic`	`sperm pants`
`00:20.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He is?!`
`00:20.22`	`Patlabor221`	`he was admin`
`00:20.28`	`Patlabor221`	`he's not suposed to be`
`00:20.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!!`
`00:20.32`	`Patlabor221`	`but he got the pass`
`00:20.42`	`Patlabor221`	`somone probably forgot the /`
`00:20.44`	`hic`	`for what server`
`00:20.47`	`Patlabor221`	`xmission`
`00:20.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:21.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~xmission`
`00:21.07`	`Patlabor221`	`he dared me to ban him`
`00:21.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Good`
`00:21.21`	`Patlabor221`	`so I kiked him about 35 times`
`00:21.24`	`Patlabor221`	`then baned him`
`00:21.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:21.32`	`Patlabor221`	`but he's using proxys`
`00:21.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-) Good one`
`00:21.33`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's hard`
`00:21.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:21.44`	`hic`	`thats funny`
`00:21.53`	`hic`	`whats his ip address`
`00:22.02`	`captain_proton`	`overriding a proxy?`
`00:22.08`	`captain_proton`	`do you have any clue what you're talking about?`
`00:22.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No idea, cap! :-)`
`00:22.11`	`Patlabor221`	`don't know his real address since hes using procxys`
`00:22.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yes creeper don't talk if you don't know`
`00:22.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`00:22.42`	`hic`	`that was dumb`
`00:22.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Me, hic?`
`00:23.01`	`hic`	`yea u`
`00:23.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-(`
`00:23.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh no, I'm so upset!`
`00:23.18`	`hic`	`stc u know who i am`
`00:23.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...The guy who stole my name?`
`00:23.41`	`hic`	`no lol`
`00:23.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh :)`
`00:23.51`	`hic`	`heres a clue`
`00:23.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In that case I don't know you`
`00:24.01`	`hic`	`u just been Blitz`
`00:24.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tucker!`
`00:24.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:24.10`	`hic`	`no`
`00:24.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LT.D`
`00:24.15`	`hic`	`yea`
`00:24.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:25.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I saw a kid fall off of his bike and break his leg today`
`00:25.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pretty...Hmmmm, odd`
`00:25.28`	`hic`	`Thats nice`
`00:25.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Kid needs more milk`
`00:25.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It was almost a compound fracture`
`00:25.55`	`hic`	`i almost broke a kids leg today`
`00:26.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`00:26.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The bone was almost through the skin`
`00:26.09`	`hic`	`had him in the angle lock`
`00:26.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wrestling?`
`00:26.35`	`hic`	`he was fightning another kid`
`00:26.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohh`
`00:26.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He made fun of my socks`
`00:27.01`	`hic`	`so i try to break it up he swears at me so i put him in the lock`
`00:27.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`00:27.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got a football chucked at me...I chucked it back in nailed him in the nuts`
`00:28.02`	`hic`	`i would of kick your @ss if i was him`
`00:28.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I got smacked in the nuts today by this little--medium sized ball`
`00:28.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He couldn't`
`00:28.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Little punk was gasping for air when I walked over to him`
`00:28.47`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps a private chat would be better for your pissing contest?`
`00:28.52`	`hic`	`lol`
`00:29.15`	`hic`	`i would so kill u 2 at bzflag`
`00:29.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't care WHO you are -- IF you get hit in the nuts and you don't go down, you're not human`
`00:29.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff?`
`00:29.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Moi?`
`00:29.29`	`hic`	`both`
`00:29.30`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: not true`
`00:29.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm`
`00:29.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Brb`
`00:29.49`	`*** part/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`00:29.50`	`hic`	`what if u r female`
`00:29.53`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`00:29.57`	`captain_proton`	`hic: its worse if you're female`
`00:30.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:30.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You kick, foot enters`
`00:30.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Ouch`
`00:30.28`	`captain_proton`	`but it still depends on a lot of factors - pain tolerance, nerve sensitivity, amount of adrenaline/drugs/alcohol/etc`
`00:30.29`	`hic`	`ill be back in awhile`
`00:30.42`	`hic`	`stc sucks bue`
`00:30.47`	`hic`	`bye`
`00:30.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or if you're just plain stupid`
`00:30.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye...`
`00:31.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`00:31.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LTD is on CGI :-)`
`00:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`00:33.56`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Is the static fmod library (libfmod.a) in CVS broken?`
`00:34.03`	`larsl`	`nm can't find any symbols in it.`
`00:34.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just what they gave me :)`
`00:34.48`	`larsl`	`OK, I'll try with the dynamic one instead.`
`00:35.19`	`dougheckaa`	`wee`
`00:35.44`	`dougheckaa`	`pulling a car without any brakes is fun`
`00:38.48`	`Patlabor221`	`still fixing a couple things in data`
`00:39.40`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`00:39.41`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`00:40.32`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (~blah@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`00:40.32`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`00:41.21`	`Patlabor221`	`there it should be all up to date now`
`00:41.25`	`Patlabor221`	`finaly`
`00:42.05`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@adsl-68-133.lou.bluegrass.net)`
`00:42.05`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`01:30.34`	`Patlabor221`	`larsl spooge hasn't been back on xmission has he?`
`01:30.55`	`doughecka`	`woo, we pulled the car over to my house today... :)`
`01:31.06`	`Patlabor221`	`pulled?`
`01:31.39`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`01:31.41`	`doughecka`	`it dont run`
`01:35.56`	`doughecka`	`no brakes`
`01:36.14`	`doughecka`	`no e brake either, so I played bumper cars with the van`
`01:36.33`	`Patlabor221`	`where you gonna get them money to fix it?`
`01:36.45`	`doughecka`	`naw, it dont need no money`
`01:36.51`	`doughecka`	`maybe for the brake lines`
`01:37.04`	`doughecka`	`and fuel tank`
`01:37.07`	`doughecka`	`and fuel lines`
`01:37.35`	`doughecka`	`and fuel pump maybe....`
`01:37.41`	`doughecka`	`but it has brandnew oil in the thing`
`01:37.49`	`doughecka`	`and its been sittin for 10 years`
`01:38.19`	`doughecka`	`the guy took really good care of it, like taking the battery out so the try wouldnt rust`
`01:39.01`	`doughecka`	`hmm, tonight I get to play with a brand new powermac g4`
`01:39.09`	`doughecka`	`with the funky holes in the front`
`01:41.45`	`Patlabor221`	`well here goes the final CVS test`
`01:41.50`	`Patlabor221`	`full clean get from home`
`01:51.38`	`*** join/#bzflag hic (~d80880e1@203.194.240.139)`
`01:52.14`	`Patlabor221`	`bahhh forgot to reimplement the no extension fixes`
`01:53.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh there we go`
`01:56.43`	`doughecka`	`hmm, maybe the powercord would help`
`01:57.49`	`doughecka`	`willkommen`
`01:58.16`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`02:02.02`	`doughecka`	`sheesh`
`02:02.12`	`doughecka`	`how do I reboot a mac?`
`02:02.16`	`doughecka`	`a new one`
`02:04.16`	`Patlabor221`	`hard reboot?`
`02:04.20`	`Patlabor221`	`or soft?`
`02:04.32`	`Patlabor221`	`cmd option soft power key`
`02:05.01`	`doughecka`	`no power key`
`02:05.09`	`doughecka`	`it has an eject key`
`02:05.16`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`02:05.19`	`Patlabor221`	`no powerkey on the keyboard?`
`02:05.24`	`doughecka`	`power cord way works`
`02:05.26`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`02:05.28`	`doughecka`	`none`
`02:06.28`	`Patlabor221`	`how do you turn it on?`
`02:06.55`	`doughecka`	`a button on the mac`
`02:07.00`	`doughecka`	`that glows`
`02:07.25`	`Patlabor221`	`so press it`
`02:07.26`	`doughecka`	`throbs when in sleep`
`02:07.28`	`doughecka`	`I did`
`02:07.32`	`doughecka`	`puts it in sleep`
`02:07.33`	`Patlabor221`	`hold it for 10 sec`
`02:07.42`	`doughecka`	`I hold it down, and it dont do nothin`
`02:07.52`	`doughecka`	`not like the older g4s`
`02:07.59`	`Patlabor221`	`dumb power wastin macs`
`02:08.02`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:08.22`	`doughecka`	`got a big heat sink`
`02:08.33`	`doughecka`	`and a pcmcia slot`
`02:08.34`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:09.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yup`
`02:09.01`	`doughecka`	`oh my`
`02:09.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and ddr`
`02:09.11`	`doughecka`	`they want os 9 on this?`
`02:09.13`	`Patlabor221`	`we had a alpha board of those things`
`02:09.16`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`02:09.18`	`doughecka`	`all I can say is bummer dood`
`02:09.22`	`doughecka`	`it wont allow it`
`02:09.32`	`doughecka`	`all new macs wont allow OS 9 anymore`
`02:14.08`	`doughecka`	`oh cool`
`02:14.13`	`doughecka`	`the fans spin down`
`02:16.06`	`Patlabor221`	`give em clasic emultion`
`02:16.09`	`Patlabor221`	`should be fine`
`02:18.04`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`02:18.12`	`doughecka`	`they said speficly OS 9`
`02:18.24`	`doughecka`	`and he also said this was a mac that suported it`
`02:18.39`	`doughecka`	`but this mac dint come with with OS 9 cds`
`02:29.00`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`02:29.00`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`02:39.59`	`Patlabor221`	`awww dosn't look like spooge kept up with his threat, ot taking xmission down`
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`02:41.13`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
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`02:45.01`	`doughecka`	`oh sheesh, either connect, or disconnect :)`
`02:45.32`	`CobraA2`	`Setting up a new IRC clinet`
`02:46.25`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`02:46.26`	`CobraA2`	`There's waaaay too many servers on the list, hard to find an individual one`
`02:46.29`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:46.41`	`*** join/#bzflag DB_ (~DB7654321@chcgil2-ar7-4-3-185-179.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net)`
`02:47.24`	`Patlabor221`	`be nice to sort them in groups`
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`02:47.55`	`doughecka`	`well blah`
`02:48.00`	`doughecka`	`dumb apple`
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`02:48.24`	`doughecka`	`they wont allow OS 9 cds made for one mac to work on another mac`
`02:48.34`	`doughecka`	`and it wont boot off my old cds`
`02:48.47`	`Patlabor221`	`are you suposed to be able to shoot with SR?`
`02:49.01`	`doughecka`	`DR?`
`02:49.03`	`doughecka`	`SR?`
`02:49.06`	`Patlabor221`	`SR`
`02:49.12`	`doughecka`	`whats that?`
`02:49.20`	`Patlabor221`	`Steam Roller`
`02:49.23`	`doughecka`	`oh`
`02:49.24`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`02:49.27`	`doughecka`	`you can shoot`
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`02:50.39`	`doughecka`	`'lo Noodleman`
`02:50.44`	`Noodleman`	`'lo`
`02:50.50`	`Noodleman`	`got my NIC :-)`
`02:50.56`	`Noodleman`	`works gr8`
`02:50.56`	`doughecka`	`dont buy a mirrored mac`
`02:50.58`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`02:51.04`	`Noodleman`	`?`
`02:51.32`	`doughecka`	`Comedy - Wierd Al Yankovic - Amish Paradise.mp3`
`02:51.44`	`Noodleman`	`amish paradise is quite funny :-)`
`02:51.49`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`02:52.10`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle how hard would it be to make other user groups that only have access to certan repositorys?`
`02:52.52`	`Noodleman`	`you could do like sf does it, have several cvsroots`
`02:53.11`	`Noodleman`	`cvs init is your friend`
`02:53.26`	`Noodleman`	`http://rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_1854714,00.html`
`02:53.35`	`Patlabor221`	`well I wanted group to have access to all`
`02:53.44`	`Patlabor221`	`but then a maps group to jsut have access to a maps folder`
`02:53.56`	`Noodleman`	`hmm`
`02:54.15`	`Noodleman`	`unix permissions aren't that sophisticated :-(`
`02:54.30`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
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`02:57.57`	`Patlabor221`	`would be cool if it could be done tho`
`02:57.58`	`Noodleman`	`moo`
`02:58.30`	`CobraA1`	`Maybe EXT3?`
`02:58.55`	`Noodleman`	`no, ext3 is just journaling on top of ext2`
`03:00.10`	`CobraA1`	`What does journaling do?`
`03:00.54`	`Noodleman`	`not exactly sure :-)`
`03:01.01`	`Noodleman`	`~dict jounaling`
`03:01.20`	`Noodleman`	`~dict jounalling`
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`03:01.23`	`doughecka`	`~dict journaling`
`03:01.29`	`Noodleman`	`~dict journaling`
`03:01.33`	`doughecka`	`~spell journaling`
`03:01.33`		`'journaling' may be spelled correctly`
`03:01.36`	`Noodleman`	`foo`
`03:01.38`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`03:01.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it' helps with recoverys`
`03:01.55`	`CobraA1`	`We have a dictionary here?`
`03:01.55`	`Noodleman`	`yes it does`
`03:02.03`	`doughecka`	`~lart CobraA1`
`03:02.07`	`CobraA1`	`~dict dictionary`
`03:02.18`	`CobraA1`	`~dict ibot`
`03:02.28`	`doughecka`	`~ibot`
`03:02.29`		`[ibot] a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`03:27.18`	`Patlabor221`	`wow the people who play on xmission are very whinny`
`03:28.34`	`Noodleman`	`n00b-alert :-)`
`03:31.12`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone was complaining about cheaters, all I saw was lagy basttards`
`03:31.15`	`Patlabor221`	`humans are funny`
`03:31.24`	`Noodleman`	`hah`
`03:31.44`	`doughecka`	`what tipped you off?`
`03:32.15`	`Patlabor221`	`to what?`
`03:32.23`	`doughecka`	`humans are funny`
`03:32.30`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I've know this for a long time`
`03:32.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I am old remember`
`03:32.45`	`Noodleman`	`doughecka isn't funny...`
`03:32.50`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`03:32.55`	`doughecka`	`old?`
`03:32.59`	`doughecka`	`you mean... 30?`
`03:33.10`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:33.14`	`doughecka`	`a 19 inch powerbook`
`03:33.15`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`03:33.22`	`doughecka`	`and apple is bankrupt`
`03:33.25`	`doughecka`	`jobs steps down`
`03:33.29`	`Noodleman`	`don't tell me you've got one`
`03:33.31`	`doughecka`	`they remake the apple plus`
`03:34.23`	`doughecka`	`installing (ugh) system 9`
`03:34.31`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`03:34.58`	`Patlabor221`	`doug you don't "have" it, you are just sitting in front of it.`
`03:35.44`	`Patlabor221`	`has is a form of have`
`03:35.52`	`doughecka`	`oh really?`
`03:36.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I dobut that mac is your's to use, you are just seting it up :)`
`03:36.28`	`Noodleman`	`is it yours or your dad's?`
`03:36.40`	`doughecka`	`niether`
`03:36.41`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`03:36.51`	`Noodleman`	`who's is it?`
`03:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`it's someone they know`
`03:36.56`	`doughecka`	`ummm`
`03:36.57`	`Noodleman`	`did you steal it?`
`03:37.07`	`Patlabor221`	`aka "they"`
`03:37.16`	`doughecka`	`something somthing publishers`
`03:37.19`	`doughecka`	`The Swiss Spaghetti Harvest`
`03:38.41`	`Noodleman`	`it would be fun to hack m$, but they patch all of their systems before they release advisories :-)`
`03:38.53`	`doughecka`	`darn`
`03:38.53`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`03:39.09`	`Noodleman`	`i wouldn't really do that`
`03:39.45`	`doughecka`	`whos that at the door`
`03:39.46`	`doughecka`	`?`
`03:39.56`	`doughecka`	`[carrier lost]`
`03:42.30`	`Patlabor221`	`http://crazyapplerumors.com/`
`03:43.40`	`Patlabor221`	`the one`
`03:43.40`	`Patlabor221`	`Vice President Dick Cheney Not Named To Dell Board.`
`03:43.42`	`Patlabor221`	`is funny`
`03:43.45`	`GenRommel`	`Chestal - are you alive?`
`03:43.45`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:45.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and read the disclaimer`
`03:45.53`	`Patlabor221`	`"Macs Suck" Web Sites Provides Irrefutable Evidence That Macs Do, Indeed, Suck`
`03:45.56`	`doughecka`	`The Left-Handed Whopper`
`03:46.00`	`doughecka`	`jaja`
`03:46.01`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`03:46.25`	`Patlabor221`	`Michael Dell Receives Industry Wedgie.`
`03:46.40`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:47.18`	`Patlabor221`	`January 7th Keynote To Be A Repeat. Apple To Re-Introduce iPod.`
`03:47.19`	`GenRommel`	`i hope they suck really well and leave people happy and ...um... fullfilled`
`03:47.35`	`Patlabor221`	`CARS Reporter Sleeps With Apple Employee, Forgets To Ask About New Product Line.`
`04:00.45`	`Patlabor221`	`wow screamers works on windows and lin right from cvs`
`04:00.51`	`Patlabor221`	`a-freakin-mazing`
`04:01.21`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`04:01.37`	`Patlabor221`	`you should make me a "screamEd"`
`04:02.16`	`doughecka`	`me?`
`04:02.29`	`Patlabor221`	`sure in VB`
`04:02.39`	`Patlabor221`	`you can make it in C++ :)`
`04:02.46`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`04:24.20`	`Noodleman`	`gamecube?`
`04:24.24`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`04:24.39`	`Noodleman`	`i've got a psone`
`04:24.45`	`Noodleman`	`you can't say that :-)`
`04:24.52`	`Patlabor221`	`ps1`
`04:25.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I have on of those as well`
`04:25.14`	`Noodleman`	`the new ones say "psone"`
`04:25.39`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, looks silly tho,`
`04:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I have PS1, DC, X-BOX, CUBE, and a GBA`
`04:25.53`	`Patlabor221`	`and a Genesis somewhere`
`04:26.09`	`Noodleman`	`well, fifty bucks is all i'm willing to pay for a machine that can only play games`
`04:26.32`	`Patlabor221`	`xboxes will run mandrake`
`04:26.32`	`Noodleman`	`what is DC?`
`04:26.36`	`Patlabor221`	`DreamCast`
`04:26.41`	`Noodleman`	`if you mod them`
`04:26.43`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`04:26.53`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, tho they are working on a boot CD`
`04:27.00`	`Patlabor221`	`PS2 has a linux kit as well`
`04:27.06`	`Noodleman`	`yes, i know`
`04:27.23`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmmmm there is an SDL port for the DC`
`04:27.26`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder if it has GL`
`04:27.31`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:27.51`	`Noodleman`	`the dreamcast has a stripped-down windows as has the xbox`
`04:27.53`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`04:28.03`	`Patlabor221`	`not exactly`
`04:28.08`	`Noodleman`	`no doubt they crash`
`04:28.09`	`Noodleman`	`:-P`
`04:28.15`	`Patlabor221`	`the DC could have windows CE oin the CD`
`04:28.29`	`Patlabor221`	`the x-box has 2k special edition on the drive`
`04:28.39`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`04:28.40`	`Patlabor221`	`it actualy has direct C`
`04:28.45`	`Patlabor221`	`where the DC did't`
`04:28.54`	`Patlabor221`	`it has a bastard hardware API`
`04:29.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and it was optional`
`04:29.06`	`Patlabor221`	`took more ram`
`04:29.12`	`Noodleman`	`is that why it flopped?`
`04:29.30`	`Patlabor221`	`no, it was doing OK, sega gave up on hardware`
`04:29.35`	`Patlabor221`	`and decided just to make money instead`
`04:29.40`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:29.45`	`Patlabor221`	`console hardware is a hard biz`
`04:29.52`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`04:29.53`	`Patlabor221`	`you lose lots on each unit`
`04:30.04`	`Patlabor221`	`so sega is now the console whore`
`04:30.11`	`Patlabor221`	`they make money no mater who does good`
`04:30.18`	`Patlabor221`	`smart move for them actualy`
`04:30.29`	`Noodleman`	`i'm sure it costs sony more than 50 bucks to make and market the psones`
`04:30.56`	`Noodleman`	`but, it's fine in my book :-)`
`04:30.56`	`Patlabor221`	`those are so late in there lifecycle, yeah they probably break even`
`04:31.13`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`04:31.19`	`Patlabor221`	`they long ago recouped R&D on that`
`04:31.20`	`Noodleman`	`7 years old tech, isn't it?`
`04:31.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yea`
`04:31.32`	`Patlabor221`	`hell the PS2 isn't much better`
`04:31.36`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`04:31.39`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a bitch to program for`
`04:31.47`	`Patlabor221`	`no real API`
`04:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`you get to do it all`
`04:31.57`	`Patlabor221`	`at the register level`
`04:32.05`	`Noodleman`	`probably not too many more games for it either`
`04:32.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well the PS2 does have the most games I think`
`04:32.34`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it also plays PS1 games`
`04:32.57`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I like the fact that the x-box has a drive int it, don't need the memory cards`
`04:33.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and it cahces game data to the drive`
`04:33.09`	`Patlabor221`	`fast load times`
`04:33.11`	`Noodleman`	`are there more native ps2 games then classic playstation games?`
`04:33.20`	`Patlabor221`	`that I don't know`
`04:33.25`	`Patlabor221`	`they are STILL making PS2 games`
`04:33.31`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry PS1 games`
`04:33.34`	`Noodleman`	`i doubt it`
`04:33.35`	`Patlabor221`	`this is it's last year`
`04:33.40`	`Patlabor221`	`no I know for a fact`
`04:33.53`	`Noodleman`	`no, about more ps2 games than ps1 games`
`04:34.00`	`Noodleman`	`i doubt that`
`04:34.01`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I don't think so eather`
`04:34.43`	`Noodleman`	`might bz ever be ported to a console that has ethernet capability?`
`04:34.54`	`Patlabor221`	`still I think the game boy has the largest library`
`04:34.57`	`Noodleman`	`such as xbox?`
`04:35.06`	`Patlabor221`	`Tim got an x-box for that very reason`
`04:35.13`	`Noodleman`	`ah, cool :-)`
`04:35.17`	`Patlabor221`	`and I have mine too`
`04:35.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and wow look at this`
`04:35.21`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.xboxhacker.net/forums/index.php?s=4bf733a83f0526ee50f817775169f664&act=ST&f=12&t=10520&st=0`
`04:35.24`	`Noodleman`	`he modded it, too, right?`
`04:35.28`	`Patlabor221`	`linux withn no hardware mod`
`04:35.31`	`Patlabor221`	`he got a mod chip`
`04:35.37`	`Noodleman`	`oh, yeah, saw that`
`04:35.37`	`Patlabor221`	`but looks like they got around it`
`04:35.53`	`Noodleman`	`it's quite ugly, tho`
`04:36.06`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`04:36.18`	`Patlabor221`	`but at least they can now debug it and see what it does`
`04:36.38`	`Noodleman`	`yup`
`04:36.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I think that eventualy it will be like the DC games`
`04:36.58`	`Patlabor221`	`they got that thing booting off a CD`
`04:37.21`	`Noodleman`	`would it be legal to crack the signature they sign the xbox games with?`
`04:37.41`	`Patlabor221`	`that has been up for discussion`
`04:37.42`	`Noodleman`	`or does that bump up with the dmca?`
`04:37.44`	`Patlabor221`	`MS threatend`
`04:37.57`	`Patlabor221`	`but some lawyers found no real law against it`
`04:38.03`	`Noodleman`	`hehe`
`04:38.09`	`Patlabor221`	`but I don't think anyone has tried it`
`04:38.25`	`Patlabor221`	`they had a distributed client for it too :)`
`04:38.36`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`04:38.50`	`Noodleman`	`are they still doing that? i'd participate`
`04:40.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no they stoped it when they threatend law suit`
`04:40.06`	`Patlabor221`	`but I haven't looked in a while`
`04:40.17`	`Noodleman`	`figures`
`04:41.05`	`Noodleman`	`ever heard of the prinipality of sealand?`
`04:41.33`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`04:42.29`	`Noodleman`	`it's basically a helipad over the english channel 6 miles off the english coast`
`04:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`04:42.51`	`Noodleman`	`the d00d that lives there claims it's a sovereign nation`
`04:42.57`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh my`
`04:43.08`	`Patlabor221`	`how does one become a nation?`
`04:43.10`	`Noodleman`	`they have a huge server farm there for hosting illegal stuff`
`04:43.16`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`04:43.21`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's a floating net server`
`04:43.27`	`Noodleman`	`basically`
`04:43.44`	`Noodleman`	`their site is down but it's http://www.sealandgov.com`
`04:43.51`	`Patlabor221`	`wow`
`04:44.09`	`Noodleman`	`the site for the web host there is http://www.havenco.com/`
`04:44.11`	`Noodleman`	`it's up`
`04:45.12`	`Noodleman`	`they could use their server farm to crack the xbox signature`
`04:45.21`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`04:45.37`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy I think they will get someone to leak it`
`04:45.40`	`Patlabor221`	`first`
`04:46.26`	`Noodleman`	`there are practically no laws there except for no kiddie pr0n and no one is allowed on the island except for the 'royal family' and the staff`
`04:46.31`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm no xbox hardware vid drivers yet`
`04:46.52`	`Noodleman`	`isn't it basically a geforce 2 ti?`
`04:46.59`	`Patlabor221`	`GF3 ultra`
`04:47.03`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`04:47.07`	`Patlabor221`	`with some more shader stuff`
`04:47.23`	`Patlabor221`	`and the UMA stuff`
`04:48.28`	`Noodleman`	`it's too bad the sealand government site is down`
`04:48.36`	`Noodleman`	`it's quite interesting :-)`
`04:50.53`	`Patlabor221`	`damn SBC smtp servers`
`04:51.02`	`Noodleman`	`sbc bites`
`04:51.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it's what I got`
`04:51.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and other then there mailserver it runs fine`
`04:51.57`	`Noodleman`	`i've heard of some dumb stuff that company tries to pull`
`04:52.02`	`Patlabor221`	`like?`
`04:52.03`	`Noodleman`	`like any ILEC does`
`04:52.31`	`Patlabor221`	`ILEC?`
`04:52.42`	`Noodleman`	`like try to say that for technical reasons you can't get dsl from them unless you have your local phone service through them`
`04:52.57`	`Noodleman`	`ILEC = incumbent local exchange carrier`
`04:53.00`	`Noodleman`	`in other words`
`04:53.06`	`Noodleman`	`the big phone company`
`04:53.06`	`Patlabor221`	`phone company`
`04:53.16`	`Patlabor221`	`well they are my phone company`
`04:53.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I had DirectTV DSL`
`04:53.35`	`Noodleman`	`like qwest or sbc or southwestern bell`
`04:53.39`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:53.55`	`Noodleman`	`but directtv resells sbc dsl service`
`04:54.21`	`Patlabor221`	`well SBC gets me a decent deal 256 up 1.5 megs down 768 min, for 49 a month`
`04:54.34`	`Patlabor221`	`same price as all the others 128 up`
`04:54.38`	`Noodleman`	`that's pretty good`
`04:54.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`04:54.55`	`Patlabor221`	`there 128 up is like 39 a month`
`04:55.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you have them for a year, it goes down to 29 a month`
`04:55.11`	`Noodleman`	`my cable is capped at 256 up 2 down supposedly`
`04:55.15`	`Patlabor221`	`if you sign up for another year`
`04:55.18`	`Noodleman`	`i never get those speeds tho`
`04:55.24`	`Patlabor221`	`I get more then 256 often`
`04:55.37`	`Noodleman`	`that's what's great about dsl`
`04:55.43`	`Noodleman`	`and it's less laggy`
`04:55.47`	`Patlabor221`	`often 512`
`04:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	`not shared :)`
`04:55.55`	`Noodleman`	`yes`
`04:55.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I have great pings`
`04:56.14`	`Patlabor221`	`and the CO is like 300 ft away something like that`
`04:56.17`	`Noodleman`	`and cable companies are a bunch of clueless idiots`
`04:56.23`	`Noodleman`	`that's nice`
`04:56.31`	`Patlabor221`	`have not had to call any support people ever on any of the DSLs`
`04:56.35`	`Noodleman`	`my CO is about 4 miles away`
`04:56.49`	`Patlabor221`	`tho I did have to install there software crap`
`04:56.50`	`Patlabor221`	`once`
`04:56.56`	`Patlabor221`	`just to get an account ID`
`04:56.57`	`Noodleman`	`i wish i could say that about my cable company`
`04:57.01`	`Patlabor221`	`then I killed it`
`04:57.06`	`Noodleman`	`i'm always calling them up`
`04:57.10`	`Patlabor221`	`that sucks`
`04:57.17`	`captain_proton`	`what a great film`
`04:57.22`	`Patlabor221`	`what one?`
`04:57.55`	`captain_proton`	`american astronaut`
`04:58.01`	`Patlabor221`	`never seen it`
`04:58.09`	`captain_proton`	`doubt you would have`
`04:58.14`	`captain_proton`	`its a nifty black & white indie`
`04:58.21`	`captain_proton`	`sci-fi western rock & roll musical :)`
`04:58.24`	`Noodleman`	`ah`
`05:00.34`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm screamers seg fualts on lin now`
`05:00.36`	`Patlabor221`	`how odd`
`05:01.12`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps wrong fmod`
`05:05.11`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm if I take this to fruition, would people then take the game name and put there name after it?`
`05:05.29`	`Noodleman`	`that's always a risk with open source`
`05:05.30`	`Patlabor221`	`so would we have ScreamingDoug`
`05:05.35`	`Noodleman`	`haha`
`05:05.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I mean in a chat channel :)`
`05:05.55`	`Noodleman`	`you could write up your on license`
`05:06.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ther we go no more segie`
`05:06.13`	`Noodleman`	`lemme cvs up`
`05:06.31`	`Patlabor221`	`cap have you seen "the flag"`
`05:06.34`	`Patlabor221`	`in all it's glory ?`
`05:06.43`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: fraid not`
`05:07.02`	`Patlabor221`	`you shoudl when you have a moment`
`05:07.41`	`Patlabor221`	`since cvs compiles out of the box ( asuming you put the fmod .so in the right place, and have SDL installed ).`
`05:08.07`	`Noodleman`	`it sure doesn't take long to compile`
`05:08.17`	`Patlabor221`	`there isn't much do it`
`05:08.23`	`Noodleman`	`it's compiling now`
`05:08.49`	`Patlabor221`	`larsl was gonna try to use automake and autoconf, I'm sure that will slow it down :)`
`05:08.58`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`05:09.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it seems caps make files are very fast`
`05:09.11`	`Patlabor221`	`very lean`
`05:09.57`	`Noodleman`	`Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed)`
`05:10.02`	`Noodleman`	`:-(`
`05:10.15`	`Patlabor221`	`ick`
`05:10.19`	`Patlabor221`	`on run?`
`05:10.22`	`Noodleman`	`yu[`
`05:10.24`	`Patlabor221`	`or on quit?`
`05:10.26`	`Noodleman`	`p*`
`05:10.26`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm`
`05:10.29`	`Noodleman`	`on run`
`05:10.41`	`Noodleman`	`this is on debian unstable`
`05:10.49`	`Noodleman`	`i could try redhat 8`
`05:11.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I test it on RH9`
`05:11.04`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry 8`
`05:11.08`	`Patlabor221`	`since don't have 9 yet`
`05:11.19`	`Patlabor221`	`it's looking for SDL 1.2`
`05:11.20`	`Noodleman`	`rebooting to redhat 8 now`
`05:11.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and GL 1.1`
`05:11.30`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: where can i grab the source?`
`05:11.47`	`Noodleman`	`from cvs`
`05:11.51`	`Patlabor221`	`anon cvs from asgard.bakadigital.com module is screamers`
`05:12.05`	`Noodleman`	`use the same commands as with bzflag cvs`
`05:12.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm keeping an eye on the SVN shell component`
`05:12.23`	`Noodleman`	`except cvsroot is /cvsroot`
`05:12.35`	`Patlabor221`	`as soon as it's up to snuff I'll look at swiching`
`05:14.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I liked how it worked`
`05:14.33`	`Patlabor221`	`but I like the shell integration of tortoise more`
`05:14.42`	`Patlabor221`	`so when this is done http://tortoisesvn.tigris.org/`
`05:15.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and they are hauling ass on it too`
`05:24.32`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle I looked, it dosn't look like there is anyway to direclty access the code in the SF CVS database for a mirror`
`05:24.48`	`Patlabor221`	`they don't allow rsync or ssh access to the actual files`
`05:25.05`	`Noodleman`	`screamers runs on redhat 8`
`05:25.08`	`Noodleman`	`kewl`
`05:25.13`	`Noodleman`	`lemme play it :-)`
`05:25.20`	`Patlabor221`	`"play"`
`05:25.41`	`Patlabor221`	`one day someone shall be able to do that`
`05:25.49`	`Patlabor221`	`oneday..................................................`
`05:27.05`	`Patlabor221`	`he's an odd one`
`05:27.29`	`Noodleman`	`heh`
`05:27.47`	`Noodleman`	`is there anything you can do with screamers yet?`
`05:27.50`	`captain_proton`	`only odd people would have a poll on their web site about where to put the fargin AD`
`05:27.59`	`Noodleman`	`LOL`
`05:28.03`	`Patlabor221`	`AD?`
`05:28.10`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: as in advertisement`
`05:28.12`	`Noodleman`	`advert`
`05:28.14`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh damn`
`05:28.19`	`Patlabor221`	`that is lame`
`05:28.37`	`Noodleman`	`i must see this for myself`
`05:28.43`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle, you can hit the walls and jump, and look at the purdy purdy flag in the middle`
`05:28.47`	`Noodleman`	`anybody got the url?`
`05:28.58`	`Noodleman`	`tab to jump?`
`05:29.02`	`captain_proton`	`Noodleman: used to be on creeperz.com, i can't resolve that host now though`
`05:29.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`05:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah didn't like the webhost so he canceld the registration`
`05:29.23`	`Noodleman`	`sound implemented yet?`
`05:29.34`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: whatnow?`
`05:29.43`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what I said.`
`05:30.15`	`captain_proton`	`he was using godaddy's hosting`
`05:30.16`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle it will play music, and the sound engine is active, but none of the events are trigering sounds yet`
`05:30.17`	`captain_proton`	`and he didn't like it`
`05:30.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`05:30.24`	`captain_proton`	`so he unregistered the domain?!`
`05:30.28`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`05:30.53`	`Patlabor221`	`he has this`
`05:30.54`	`Patlabor221`	`http://bzedit.web1000.com/`
`05:31.14`	`Patlabor221`	`beware it has sound`
`05:31.39`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: that makes me sad`
`05:31.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I know`
`05:31.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I weep for the youth of today`
`05:32.02`	`Noodleman`	`bah`
`05:32.10`	`Noodleman`	`gotta fix sumthin`
`05:32.35`	`Patlabor221`	`tho the tille on hover "opening" anim isn't bad, I knowi it's just a template`
`05:32.50`	`Patlabor221`	`the .so is in CVS`
`05:32.59`	`Patlabor221`	`in the fmod folder`
`05:33.08`	`Patlabor221`	`in the soundmngr`
`05:33.32`	`Patlabor221`	`just needs to be put in the place`
`05:35.00`	`Noodleman`	`ah i don't have flash`
`05:35.05`	`Noodleman`	`maybe that's a good thing`
`05:35.09`	`Patlabor221`	`probably`
`05:35.14`	`Noodleman`	`;-)`
`05:35.30`	`CobraA1`	`~ibot`
`05:35.31`		`somebody said ibot was a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage.`
`05:35.32`	`Patlabor221`	`the effect was interesting in that it coudl be used for like screamers menus`
`05:35.43`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't like iit on a web page`
`05:36.47`	`captain_proton`	`when i click 'start game' it seems to freeze`
`05:36.55`	`captain_proton`	`eep`
`05:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`odd`
`05:37.01`	`Noodleman`	`hmm`
`05:37.12`	`Noodleman`	`very engaging site he's got there`
`05:37.15`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`05:37.47`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`05:38.12`	`Patlabor221`	`hewonderd why I named the link icon he sent me "creeper-crap-icon.png"`
`05:38.24`	`captain_proton`	`there it goes`
`05:38.30`	`Patlabor221`	`took that long?`
`05:38.43`	`Patlabor221`	`the flag is in the middle`
`05:38.45`	`captain_proton`	`it seems to have a long period of high cpu usage before it starts`
`05:38.47`	`captain_proton`	`i see the flag`
`05:38.56`	`captain_proton`	`is that spinny red nifty looking thing the spawn point?`
`05:39.04`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`05:39.21`	`Patlabor221`	`well objects in the map at the spawn point`
`05:39.35`	`Patlabor221`	`1 OBJMesh and 2 ground objects`
`05:40.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I just wanted to test the spinny code`
`05:40.43`	`Patlabor221`	`it allways picks the first spawn in the map for now`
`05:41.10`	`captain_proton`	`screamers very much needs joystick control`
`05:41.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't recall if I have that set up`
`05:41.31`	`Patlabor221`	`I may`
`05:41.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I need a robust input mapper`
`05:41.54`	`Patlabor221`	`to handle key/mouse/joysick to event binding`
`05:41.56`	`captain_proton`	`SDL has a wrapping around joystick stuff`
`05:42.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yes, I just don't know if I sent that to the game logic class that's all`
`05:42.44`	`Patlabor221`	`no I didn't but I can`
`05:43.39`	`Patlabor221`	`just need to add it to the BaseGameLoop class`
`05:45.20`	`Patlabor221`	`hey what do you call inside of srand on linux usualy?`
`05:45.32`	`captain_proton`	`time(NULL)`
`05:45.56`	`Patlabor221`	`thanks`
`05:47.07`	`Patlabor221`	`joystick stuff looks simple enough`
`05:47.12`	`captain_proton`	`yup`
`05:47.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I've tested it with mouse support, it's just if(0)'d out right now`
`05:48.47`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it sometimes gets wierd when debugin ( and having to hide it quickly at work ).`
`05:49.07`	`captain_proton`	`haha`
`05:51.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that is why 2 hits of the escape key kills it :)`
`05:51.55`	`captain_proton`	`you nut`
`05:52.01`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`05:52.15`	`captain_proton`	`nut nut nut`
`05:53.08`	`captain_proton`	`nono`
`05:53.18`	`captain_proton`	`just calling you a nut on general principle`
`05:53.24`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh got it`
`05:53.33`	`Patlabor221`	`and your point is ? :)`
`05:53.41`	`captain_proton`	`no point`
`05:54.03`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm I need to send in the e3 application`
`05:54.36`	`Patlabor221`	`don't get to be an exibitor this year :(`
`05:55.00`	`captain_proton`	`'tis sad`
`05:55.13`	`Patlabor221`	`but at least I get to go for free`
`05:55.24`	`Patlabor221`	`got all kinds of free stuff as an exibitor :)`
`05:55.35`	`captain_proton`	`can imagine`
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`05:57.57`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL`
`05:58.04`	`Patlabor221`	`any of you ever play morowwind?`
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`09:45.59`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
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`13:39.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, I am one step ahead. I am getting a DNS error when I try to visit my site`
`13:39.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it still registered or something`
`13:40.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I G2G`
`13:40.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye`
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`15:46.03`	`[dmp]`	`how does networking work in bzflag? Client got a TCP connection (after reconnect) to server, and might have a UDP "connection" as well? And client talk withother using UDP?`
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`16:31.14`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: The build system with autoconf and automake is working reasonably well for building, installing and making distributions - should I commit it?`
`16:43.50`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, let me just make a backup of the current state ( just in case ).`
`16:44.33`	`Patlabor221`	`you may need to merge tho, as I changed acouple things`
`16:45.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ok backed up give it a go.`
`16:47.57`	`larsl`	`What should I do with the original Makefiles?`
`16:48.05`	`larsl`	`They will be overwritten by 'configure'.`
`16:50.23`	`Patlabor221`	`can we make a "atic" folder in each sub folder?`
`16:50.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and throw them in there?`
`16:50.41`	`Patlabor221`	`or some sort of archive`
`16:50.53`	`larsl`	`If I 'cvs remove' them they will go there automatically.`
`16:50.59`	`larsl`	`CVS is an archive. =)`
`16:51.05`	`Patlabor221`	`very cool then`
`16:51.15`	`Patlabor221`	`does it take any longer to build now?`
`16:51.45`	`larsl`	`It shouldn't.`
`16:52.01`	`larsl`	`You will have to run 'configure', but that should only take a few seconds.`
`16:52.33`	`Patlabor221`	`keen`
`16:53.06`	`Patlabor221`	`wow they actualy deliverd the net card to noodle a day early`
`17:16.54`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: There's a great online book on the autotools.`
`17:18.14`	`larsl`	`http://sources.redhat.com/autobook/`
`17:18.37`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`17:18.49`	`larsl`	`I can't connect to the CVS server right now.`
`17:18.51`	`Patlabor221`	`cus I'll have to be able to add files to this thing :)`
`17:19.15`	`Patlabor221`	`can you get to http://www.bakadigital.com/`
`17:19.23`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`17:19.26`	`Patlabor221`	`cap what is there disadvatage?`
`17:19.36`	`Patlabor221`	`but you can't get to cvs, how odd.`
`17:19.39`	`Patlabor221`	`same machine`
`17:19.42`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: they're really unwieldy`
`17:19.50`	`captain_proton`	`IMO`
`17:20.02`	`Patlabor221`	`do they have an advantage?`
`17:20.15`	`larsl`	`Portability.`
`17:20.19`	`captain_proton`	`its a nice way to check for dependencies`
`17:20.27`	`captain_proton`	`and if you integrate it right, its a bit more portable`
`17:20.43`	`larsl`	`And it's a lot nicer to write Makefile.ams for a large project than Makefiles directly.`
`17:21.14`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: i'm just bitter because when i was doing bzedit i ran into a lot of things that didn't have macros coughgtkglareacough`
`17:21.18`	`Patlabor221`	`see I have no experience with these thigns, so I must trust the words of tothers.`
`17:21.39`	`Patlabor221`	`does it have what I need for SDL?`
`17:21.40`	`captain_proton`	`SCons is looking really really nice`
`17:22.02`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: For SDL it should be enough to just AC_CHECK_LIB(SDL, ...)`
`17:22.17`	`larsl`	`And maybe something for the headers.`
`17:22.20`	`Patlabor221`	`what about like higher versions of openGL`
`17:22.25`	`Patlabor221`	`liek GL 1.2 and 1.3 ?`
`17:22.46`	`larsl`	`I don't know where those versions are defined.`
`17:23.06`	`Patlabor221`	`in gl.h`
`17:23.17`	`Patlabor221`	`don't need them now`
`17:23.33`	`Patlabor221`	`well actualy I can key of the GL defines`
`17:23.41`	`Patlabor221`	`so I don't think the build system has to do anyting`
`17:23.58`	`Patlabor221`	`there are some things that will just look better if you have gl 1.2 or higher`
`17:24.25`	`Patlabor221`	`but I'm not going lower then 1.1`
`17:24.36`	`larsl`	`Your SSH server doesn't seem to be doing to well right now.`
`17:24.43`	`larsl`	`s/to/too/`
`17:25.18`	`Patlabor221`	`just restarted the service`
`17:25.34`	`Patlabor221`	`the machine has been runnin for 25 days :)`
`17:25.38`	`larsl`	`=)`
`17:26.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I can ssh in`
`17:26.03`	`larsl`	`My 24/7-machine has been running for almost a month now.`
`17:26.07`	`Patlabor221`	`but then I am local`
`17:26.30`	`larsl`	`I don't even get a password prompt.`
`17:26.33`	`larsl`	`It's just waiting.`
`17:26.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I realy need to learn how to add users via command line.`
`17:26.36`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm`
`17:26.46`	`Patlabor221`	`would it posibly need a restart?`
`17:26.59`	`larsl`	`Restarting the whole computer?`
`17:27.02`	`larsl`	`I doubt it.`
`17:27.15`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I see if X is running?`
`17:27.25`	`larsl`	`There's a lock file somewhere...`
`17:27.33`	`larsl`	`Or you could just ps -A \| grep X`
`17:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`nope it's not running`
`17:28.18`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm is ssh tied to xinetd?`
`17:28.31`	`larsl`	`Might be.`
`17:28.37`	`larsl`	`Many net servers are.`
`17:28.53`	`Patlabor221`	`restarted that too`
`17:29.06`	`captain_proton`	`i've never seen ssh bound through inetd`
`17:29.45`	`Patlabor221`	`I dono, I can get in, and I have to go thru the internet ( 1 hop )`
`17:29.49`	`larsl`	`208.48.199.2`
`17:29.54`	`larsl`	`Is that you?`
`17:29.56`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`17:30.06`	`Patlabor221`	`not .2`
`17:30.17`	`larsl`	`Might be truncated.`
`17:30.23`	`Patlabor221`	`215`
`17:30.35`	`fiberchunks`	`lo, how goes it?`
`17:30.47`	`larsl`	`It says I have a connection established to that IP, but I don't get a password prompt.`
`17:30.59`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmmm`
`17:31.04`	`Patlabor221`	`sup fiber`
`17:31.40`	`Patlabor221`	`you did asgard.bakadigital.com? you can't do just bakadigital.com since that's the winders machine`
`17:31.52`	`larsl`	`I get in using just SSH, but not with CVS.`
`17:31.57`	`larsl`	`Yes, asgard.`
`17:32.02`	`Patlabor221`	`wierd ness`
`17:32.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I will have to ask sr. noodle`
`17:34.16`	`Noodleman`	`{sir\|senior\|mister} noodle at your service :-)`
`17:34.33`	`larsl`	`When I run cvs from home, a cvs process starts on your computer and eats your CPU.`
`17:34.47`	`larsl`	`But no password prompt.`
`17:34.51`	`Noodleman`	`on asgard?`
`17:34.54`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`17:35.03`	`Noodleman`	`what command are you using?`
`17:35.11`	`larsl`	`'cvs update'`
`17:35.25`	`Noodleman`	`what is $CVSROOT set to?`
`17:35.43`	`larsl`	`:pserver:anonymous@asgard.bakadigital.com:/cvsroot`
`17:36.01`	`larsl`	`I'm doing an anonymous checkout to see that I've commited all files.`
`17:36.29`	`Noodleman`	`try cvs -z3 -d $CVSROOT checkout screamers`
`17:36.54`	`Noodleman`	`in an empty dir`
`17:37.18`	`Patlabor221`	`noodle you get the card?`
`17:37.23`	`larsl`	`Now I get stuff.`
`17:37.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and hello :)`
`17:37.28`	`larsl`	`Odd.`
`17:38.11`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`17:38.20`	`Noodleman`	`Patlabor221: yup i get the card`
`17:38.24`	`Noodleman`	`:-)`
`17:38.33`	`larsl`	`'Iron Chef.mp3' ?`
`17:38.39`	`Noodleman`	`i put it in, and the problem is still there :-(`
`17:38.45`	`Patlabor221`	`Iron chef ROXORZ :)`
`17:38.56`	`Noodleman`	`i'm gonna have to do a bunch of tests on some other stuff`
`17:38.58`	`Patlabor221`	`problems :(`
`17:39.04`	`larsl`	`I've seen that once or twice when I've been in USA. Very strange show.`
`17:39.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it's very strange`
`17:39.27`	`Patlabor221`	`but the theme music is decent`
`17:39.41`	`Patlabor221`	`tho the marahon one is better`
`17:40.15`	`larsl`	`Did you use subversion for this code earlier?`
`17:40.21`	`Patlabor221`	`parts of it yes`
`17:40.36`	`Patlabor221`	`the libs`
`17:41.02`	`Patlabor221`	`at one time there was an atempt to make BZ use LGE`
`17:41.06`	`Patlabor221`	`that cap was working on.`
`17:41.48`	`larsl`	`What's LGE?`
`17:42.01`	`Patlabor221`	`Little GL Engine`
`17:42.10`	`Patlabor221`	`or Little Game Engine`
`17:42.13`	`Patlabor221`	`that you did.`
`17:42.14`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`17:42.31`	`captain_proton`	`but enough changes were made during the time that i didn't have the patience to merge it :P`
`17:43.07`	`Patlabor221`	`LGE is just a openGL setup wraper that uses SDL`
`17:43.26`	`Patlabor221`	`takes care of what platform does mostly.`
`17:43.35`	`larsl`	`Do you need to run screamers without installing it?`
`17:43.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's linked in static`
`17:43.56`	`Patlabor221`	`on linux`
`17:44.02`	`Patlabor221`	`so when you build you get it`
`17:44.13`	`Patlabor221`	`on windows it's a DLL`
`17:44.16`	`larsl`	`The dynamic linker doesn't find fmod unless it's installed.`
`17:44.31`	`larsl`	`(installed = in a system library dir)`
`17:44.37`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that's the only dynamic thing on lin`
`17:44.43`	`larsl`	`I suppose I could try some wrapping magic...`
`17:44.59`	`larsl`	`The autosystem works now, on my system at least.`
`17:45.00`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`17:45.52`	`larsl`	`In CVS.`
`17:46.17`	`Patlabor221`	`just didn't understand wraping`
`17:46.28`	`larsl`	`Oh.`
`17:46.51`	`larsl`	`If you want to run screamers without installing it (and fmod), you have to tell the dynamic linker where to find fmod.`
`17:46.55`	`Patlabor221`	`now why do I like this song so much ? :/`
`17:47.00`	`larsl`	`That might be doable with a wrapper script.`
`17:47.10`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhhh`
`17:47.12`	`Patlabor221`	`got it`
`17:47.36`	`Patlabor221`	`cap http://bakadigital.com/darkmoor/anime/Rahxephon/`
`17:47.42`	`Patlabor221`	`RahXephon O.S.T.1-01-Hemisphere.MP3`
`17:47.57`	`Noodleman`	`testing the ram on noodleroni`
`17:48.06`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I hate bad ram`
`17:48.13`	`Patlabor221`	`makes evil 0s`
`17:48.16`	`Noodleman`	`hope this is the problem if it's with hardware`
`17:48.32`	`Noodleman`	`cheapest to replace`
`17:48.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`17:48.46`	`Patlabor221`	`sadly I don't have any PC100 stuff I could send you.`
`17:48.51`	`Noodleman`	`pc133 is dirt cheap these days`
`17:48.58`	`Patlabor221`	`DDR is cheaper`
`17:48.59`	`Noodleman`	`oh, that's ok`
`17:49.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's scary`
`17:49.14`	`Noodleman`	`ddr isn't cheaper is it?`
`17:49.22`	`Patlabor221`	`bout 57 for 512 of PC2700 name brand`
`17:49.23`	`Noodleman`	`no way`
`17:49.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`17:49.35`	`Patlabor221`	`that's why we are going DDR in all systems now`
`17:49.44`	`Noodleman`	`go a url?`
`17:49.49`	`Noodleman`	`got*`
`17:49.54`	`Patlabor221`	`that's thu us :)`
`17:50.27`	`Patlabor221`	`checking exact price`
`17:52.01`	`Patlabor221`	`65$ name brand ( samsung I think ) with shipping.`
`17:54.17`	`Patlabor221`	`thre is a place you can get generic for 43`
`17:54.19`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.icentral.com/html/1stchoicememory/page13.html`
`17:55.10`	`Patlabor221`	`ehhh looks like PC133 came down a little, so it's a tad cheaper`
`17:55.25`	`Patlabor221`	`bout 50 for name brand, 35 for generic`
`17:57.45`	`Noodleman`	`ok`
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`19:11.41`	`*** join/#bzflag paul ([j0s2mwnZA@hibernia.jakma.org)`
`19:11.51`	`larsl`	`Is a flag really supposed to go to the middle of the map if it's dropped above it's own base?`
`19:12.47`	`Chestal`	`own flags should stay on own base, and they do so, at least on ducati`
`19:14.03`	`larsl`	`Not on xmission.`
`19:14.07`	`larsl`	`Not all the time, at least.`
`19:17.31`	`larsl`	`Oh, I get it.`
`19:18.10`	`larsl`	`It's not actually dropped on the base, it's dropped on the pyramid below the base.`
`19:18.21`	`larsl`	`And since it can't land on a pyramid, it goes to the middle.`
`19:19.57`	`larsl`	`Couldn't the flag 'slide' down a pyramid and land on the floor if it's dropped on a pyramid?`
`19:22.28`	`Chestal`	`ah, wlel, ducati has no jumping, so that's different`
`19:36.16`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`19:37.52`	`[dmp]`	`how does networking work in bzflag? Client got a TCP connection (after reconnect) to server, and might have a UDP "connection" as well? And client talk withother using UDP? Is this correct?`
`19:37.57`	`[dmp]`	`~ducatictf`
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`20:07.43`	`Cell`	`lo`
`20:07.47`	`Cell`	`guys`
`20:08.46`	`Cell`	`what does the variance tell us?`
`20:11.04`	`Cell`	`a rigid body that experiences torque forces, does its rotation axis always go through the center of mass?`
`20:12.30`	`Cell`	`hm i think the axis of torgue is not the same as the axis of angular momentum in general?`
`20:15.35`	`Cell`	`the kinetic enrgy is 1/2mv*v but how is the angular kinetic energy calculated, since it can happen that it is transformed to linear kinetic enrgy?`
`20:15.56`	`Cell`	`gugle`
`20:21.52`	`Cell`	`cool i get all microsoft stuff for free`
`20:22.02`	`larsl`	`I*w^2/2`
`20:22.43`	`Cell`	`ah I = m/r^2 or so`
`20:23.07`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`20:23.17`	`larsl`	`If m is a point mass.`
`20:23.24`	`Cell`	`ah`
`20:24.02`	`larsl`	`Otherwise I = int(dm*r^2)`
`20:24.25`	`Cell`	`ah`
`20:24.26`	`larsl`	`Where dm = infinitesimal mass element at distance r from mass center.`
`20:24.46`	`Cell`	`dm is mass density`
`20:26.08`	`Cell`	`but what about my first to questions?`
`20:27.34`	`larsl`	`You have to use the same axis to calculate torque and momentum, otherwise they won't work together.`
`20:27.40`	`larsl`	`They depend on the axis.`
`20:28.27`	`Cell`	`hm`
`20:28.47`	`Cell`	`donno`
`20:31.04`	`Patlabor221`	`urp`
`20:31.06`	`Cell`	`i need a euler's simple diff equation solver`
`20:32.16`	`larsl`	`Matlab? Octave?`
`20:32.25`	`Cell`	`matlab`
`20:33.08`	`Cell`	`students at our faculty get all the microsoft stuff for free :)`
`20:33.19`	`Cell`	`download`
`20:33.26`	`larsl`	`I get all the Linux stuff for free. =)`
`20:33.28`	`Patlabor221`	`that's a common university thing`
`20:33.35`	`Cell`	`ha`
`20:34.13`	`larsl`	`I like classes.`
`20:34.15`	`Cell`	`i download the win2003.net server and vc.net 2003`
`20:34.25`	`larsl`	`I don't have to work, just read. =)`
`20:34.26`	`Cell`	`i think they are released this month`
`20:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`classes are fun, but they don't last for ever :)`
`20:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`the server was released last week`
`20:35.05`	`Patlabor221`	`and vc.net2003 is in final beta`
`20:35.06`	`Cell`	`really?`
`20:35.08`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`20:35.13`	`Cell`	`let me llok`
`20:35.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I have sources at MS`
`20:35.22`	`Cell`	`ah`
`20:35.30`	`Patlabor221`	`may not be in stores,b ut they had the ship party`
`20:35.52`	`Cell`	`ah`
`20:36.44`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Have you tested the configure; make yet? Does it work?`
`20:38.37`	`Patlabor221`	`no I have not had a chance to`
`20:38.38`	`Patlabor221`	`at work`
`20:38.40`	`Patlabor221`	`fixing bugs`
`20:38.45`	`Patlabor221`	`and well eating lunch`
`20:38.49`	`Patlabor221`	`:)`
`20:39.40`	`larsl`	`=)`
`20:40.12`	`larsl`	`I didn't know what version it was, so I set it to 0 in configure.in. You probably want to change that.`
`20:40.34`	`larsl`	`It's the AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE macro.`
`20:44.17`	`Cell`	`hm server 20003 is not in the repositery until now`
`20:46.38`	`Cell`	`whats ms operation manager`
`20:48.45`	`Cell`	`gurgle`
`20:48.51`	`Cell`	`food`
`20:55.35`	`Cell`	`i want ,net 2003`
`21:19.12`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`21:22.53`	`Patlabor221`	`ok so how do I run the configure and automake?`
`21:23.07`	`Patlabor221`	`just ./configure`
`21:23.11`	`Patlabor221`	`then make all ?`
`21:23.14`	`Patlabor221`	`or make install?`
`21:24.00`	`Patlabor221`	`umm I know i have sdl and it says I don't have sdl`
`21:24.15`	`larsl`	`configure, make`
`21:24.17`	`larsl`	`and make install`
`21:24.22`	`larsl`	`Hum.`
`21:24.49`	`Patlabor221`	`checking for SDL_Init in -lSDL... no`
`21:24.50`	`Patlabor221`	`configure: error: Could not find the SDL library!`
`21:24.58`	`Patlabor221`	`but I know I have it`
`21:25.06`	`Patlabor221`	`ive built on this machine before`
`21:25.24`	`larsl`	`That's odd.`
`21:25.35`	`larsl`	`Do you know where the library is?`
`21:25.38`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps I don't have it installed right`
`21:26.03`	`Patlabor221`	`what would the name be?`
`21:26.10`	`Patlabor221`	`libSDL.so?`
`21:26.11`	`larsl`	`libSDL.so`
`21:26.19`	`doughecka`	`so?`
`21:26.25`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`21:26.25`	`larsl`	`Shared object.`
`21:26.28`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$ locate libSDL.so`
`21:26.28`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$`
`21:26.42`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:26.46`	`doughecka`	`So, who cares? :)`
`21:26.55`	`larsl`	`It really should work, then.`
`21:27.34`	`Patlabor221`	`seems to not be able to find SDL_Init`
`21:27.55`	`larsl`	`There is a function in SDL called SDL_Init?`
`21:28.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`21:28.08`	`Patlabor221`	`it inits :)`
`21:28.13`	`larsl`	`I just grabbed one that looked good from 'nm -D libSDL.so'.`
`21:28.19`	`larsl`	`Hum.`
`21:28.42`	`Patlabor221`	`do SDL_PollEvent`
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`21:29.12`	`larsl`	`Me?`
`21:29.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well LGE calls SDL_Init`
`21:29.28`	`Patlabor221`	`odd`
`21:29.43`	`Patlabor221`	`bool CLGEngine::Create ( int x, int y, bool fullScreen)`
`21:29.43`	`Patlabor221`	`{`
`21:29.43`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:29.43`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:29.49`	`Noodleman_work`	`h00h00`
`21:30.00`	`doughecka`	`'lo Noodleman_work`
`21:30.03`	`larsl`	`The link tests that configure does can't find it, for some reason.`
`21:30.04`	`Patlabor221`	`find your bad ram?`
`21:30.10`	`Noodleman_work`	`nope, not yet`
`21:30.11`	`larsl`	`It works on my machine. =P`
`21:30.23`	`Noodleman_work`	`it was still going when i went to work`
`21:30.26`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I don't have the same version fo SDL`
`21:30.40`	`larsl`	`As long as there is a version called SDL_Init it shouldn't matter.`
`21:30.46`	`larsl`	`s/version/symbol/`
`21:31.09`	`larsl`	`Did it find the GL and GLU libraries?`
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`21:34.11`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/out.txt`
`21:34.14`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what it does`
`21:34.41`	`larsl`	`OK.`
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`21:35.16`	`larsl`	`Is libGL.so and libSDL.so in the same directory?`
`21:37.46`	`Patlabor221`	`lib GL is in /usr/lib/libGL.so`
`21:37.47`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:37.47`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:38.15`	`larsl`	`Could you do 'nm -D libSDL.so \| grep SDL_Init' ?`
`21:41.22`	`Patlabor221`	`nm -D libSDL.so`
`21:41.22`	`Patlabor221`	`nm: libSDL.so: No such file or directory`
`21:41.54`	`larsl`	`Sorry, I meant the full path to libSDL.so.`
`21:41.58`	`Patlabor221`	`oh ok`
`21:42.00`	`larsl`	`Or do it from within /usr/lib`
`21:42.02`	`Patlabor221`	`one sec`
`21:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$ nm -D /usr/lib/libSDL.so\|grep SDL_Init`
`21:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`0000bba0 T SDL_Init`
`21:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`0000ba30 T SDL_InitSubSystem`
`21:42.49`	`larsl`	`OK... I'm not sure what the problem is, but there is probably a better way to find the library.`
`21:43.00`	`larsl`	`SDL comes with a config script called sdl-config.`
`21:43.11`	`Patlabor221`	`can we just call that?`
`21:43.15`	`Patlabor221`	`or see if it's there?`
`21:43.23`	`larsl`	`You can check if it's there.`
`21:43.26`	`larsl`	`Just try to run it.`
`21:43.52`	`Patlabor221`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:43.53`	`Patlabor221`	`Usage: sdl-config [--prefix[=DIR]] [--exec-prefix[=DIR]] [--version] [--cflags] [--libs] [--static-libs]`
`21:44.03`	`larsl`	`Good.`
`21:44.41`	`larsl`	`That's what we're supposed to use. =)`
`21:45.07`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I'm just borked then`
`21:45.42`	`larsl`	`I'll hack the configure.in to use that instead.`
`21:45.51`	`larsl`	`I'm not sure why CHECK_LIB won't find it though.`
`21:46.39`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah sounds like it should work`
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`21:51.28`	`larsl`	`By the way, when you change a Makefile.am and need to run automake, use the --foreign option.`
`21:51.42`	`larsl`	`Or add the files it complains about, if you don't use the --foreign option.`
`21:52.47`	`larsl`	`automake thinks that all software packages should have the standard GNU files (README, NEWS, ChangeLog etc).`
`21:52.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh`
`21:53.08`	`larsl`	`But with --foreign it doesn't care.`
`21:53.10`	`Patlabor221`	`what if I don't want to be GNU :)`
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`21:53.23`	`Patlabor221`	`like psudo-GNU`
`21:53.33`	`larsl`	`You could probably just ignore the warnings too.`
`21:53.58`	`Patlabor221`	`well thanks for all your work on this`
`21:54.01`	`larsl`	`OK, try to configure the current CVS.`
`21:54.05`	`larsl`	`You're welcome. =)`
`21:54.42`	`Patlabor221`	`this could start to get realy fun when all the rest of the parts are hooked up`
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`21:55.23`	`Patlabor221`	`coudl even make it play just like BZ`
`21:55.37`	`Patlabor221`	`with another derived game logic class`
`21:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$ make`
`21:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	`cd . && aclocal`
`21:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	`cd . && automake --foreign Makefile`
`21:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	Makefile.am:1: CFLAGS must be set with `=' before using `+='
`21:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	configure.in:21: required file `./config.guess' not found
`21:55.50`	`Patlabor221`	configure.in:21: required file `./config.sub' not found
`21:55.52`	`Patlabor221`	`make: *** [Makefile.in] Error 1`
`21:55.54`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$`
`21:55.58`	`larsl`	`Hmm.`
`21:56.03`	`larsl`	`OK.`
`21:56.43`	`larsl`	`We obviously have different automake versions. =)`
`21:57.00`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I don't have the latest?`
`21:57.12`	`larsl`	`I know I don't.`
`21:57.22`	`larsl`	`Try it now.`
`21:58.02`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@nuku-nuku screamers]$ make`
`21:58.02`	`Patlabor221`	`Makefile:84: *** missing separator. Stop.`
`21:58.28`	`larsl`	`Did you run configure first?`
`21:58.35`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`21:59.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone have a calling card? I'm going to call GoDaddy up and tell them to manually remove my site...It won't remove for me :-/`
`21:59.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Quick call`
`21:59.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'll burn the number afterward`
`21:59.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Honest`
`21:59.47`	`Patlabor221`	`why do you need a card for that?`
`21:59.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Long distance`
`21:59.57`	`Patlabor221`	`so`
`22:00.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't have long distance`
`22:00.23`	`Patlabor221`	`how can you not have long distance`
`22:01.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Umm, maybe that's my crappy life's BIZness and if you don't want to halp me then please don't make any comments about it`
`22:01.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`help*`
`22:02.04`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: why don't you buy a small card online?`
`22:02.26`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I'm just curious, I didn't know you couldn't not have it on a phone`
`22:02.31`	`Patlabor221`	`thought it was allways there`
`22:02.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm nearly overdrawn on my account`
`22:03.03`	`Patlabor221`	`send them an e-mail, they are usualy good at geting back to you.`
`22:03.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, you must get just one bill a month :-\`
`22:03.30`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Updated again, might work this time. =P`
`22:03.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I pay all my bills online`
`22:03.40`	`Patlabor221`	`automaticly`
`22:03.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`22:03.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That works good for me`
`22:04.52`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: How general are the Screamer parts? Could it be used for something other than a racing/shooting game?`
`22:05.06`	`Noodleman_work`	`MOoMOOoOmmOOOOMmOoMOomOO`
`22:05.07`	`Patlabor221`	`very very general`
`22:05.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yes they could be`
`22:05.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and I get the same error`
`22:05.30`	`larsl`	`Argh.`
`22:05.45`	`larsl`	`Is it the toplevel Makefile?`
`22:05.48`	`Patlabor221`	`even the screamers part is set up to take plugin game types, plugin renderers, and plugin interfaces`
`22:05.59`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I think it is`
`22:06.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!`
`22:06.18`	`larsl`	`What does it say on line 84?`
`22:06.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just bills and a stupid CCS magazine`
`22:07.12`	`Patlabor221`	`<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< makefile.int`
`22:07.14`	`larsl`	`I don't understand why it wants config.guess and config.sub. Those are usually only needed by libtool.`
`22:07.36`	`larsl`	`That looks like a CVS merge attempt.`
`22:07.42`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`22:07.47`	`Patlabor221`	`let me kill it and reconfig`
`22:07.50`	`larsl`	`Did you get it updated correctly?`
`22:08.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I did a cvs update that's it`
`22:09.46`	`Patlabor221`	`I think I have a funky update`
`22:09.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm regeting`
`22:14.53`	`larsl`	`Very simple wrapper script:`
`22:14.57`	`larsl`	`LD_LIBRARY_PATH=SoundManager/fmod; screamers`
`22:15.44`	`larsl`	`Should probably have a $* at the end.`
`22:16.44`	`Noodleman_work`	`i thought you thought DB was all aces`
`22:16.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It always messes up my computer whenever I run it`
`22:16.51`	`Noodleman_work`	`ah`
`22:17.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Frankly, it's about a duce`
`22:17.15`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`22:17.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Out of 13`
`22:17.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:17.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh yes. It`
`22:17.42`	`Patlabor221`	`define "messes up"`
`22:17.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It is all Aces! Ace being worth one`
`22:18.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You know the ummm... Having trouble with terms today. The top part`
`22:18.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`With the 3D objects`
`22:18.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Buttons`
`22:18.41`	`Patlabor221`	`well every other language is doing to be harder, and have less game stuff`
`22:18.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea, that goes pure white and all of the text`
`22:19.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Then I can't move my mouse`
`22:19.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I can still use keys`
`22:19.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Then all of my desktop icons go black`
`22:19.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So I don't use it anymore`
`22:19.34`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like video driver issues`
`22:19.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`22:19.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought so at first`
`22:19.57`	`Patlabor221`	`what card you have? and what version of direct X?`
`22:19.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But my friend said that it probally wasn't`
`22:20.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have DX7`
`22:20.08`	`Patlabor221`	`and what did he think it was?`
`22:20.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And I have no idea what kind of Video card I have`
`22:20.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He thought it was 7`
`22:20.41`	`Patlabor221`	`well if your going ot make games I would recomend knowing what you have in your system`
`22:20.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you could update your DX`
`22:21.11`	`Noodleman_work`	`start/settings/control panel/display`
`22:21.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`He manages all of the networks for the local power company, water company, and I think, for the phone company`
`22:21.25`	`Noodleman_work`	`i think then properties`
`22:21.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:21.50`	`Patlabor221`	`or right click on the desktop`
`22:21.53`	`Patlabor221`	`properties`
`22:21.56`	`Patlabor221`	`setings tab`
`22:21.59`	`Patlabor221`	`advanced`
`22:21.59`	`Noodleman_work`	`that too :-)`
`22:22.04`	`Patlabor221`	`adapter`
`22:22.17`	`doughecka`	`~lart bill gates`
`22:22.19`	`Noodleman_work`	`i don't have windoze in front of me right now`
`22:22.30`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`22:22.37`	`doughecka`	`this is a dual processor mac...`
`22:22.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nope`
`22:23.02`	`doughecka`	`dual 1.24 ghz processors and one gig of ram`
`22:23.02`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you mean nope?`
`22:23.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No properties`
`22:23.17`	`Patlabor221`	`when you right click on the desktop?`
`22:23.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No properties tab`
`22:23.26`	`Patlabor221`	`no settings tab`
`22:23.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`22:23.35`	`doughecka`	`then click advanced`
`22:23.42`	`doughecka`	`monitor`
`22:23.43`	`doughecka`	`we`
`22:23.45`	`doughecka`	`er`
`22:23.47`	`doughecka`	`adaptor`
`22:23.55`	`Patlabor221`	`doug shut it`
`22:24.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Intel 82810 Graphics Controller`
`22:24.38`	`doughecka`	`oh ick`
`22:24.40`	`Noodleman_work`	`ouch`
`22:24.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:24.46`	`Patlabor221`	`as I thought`
`22:24.50`	`Patlabor221`	`update to DX8`
`22:24.56`	`Patlabor221`	`and get the latest driver from intell`
`22:25.03`	`Patlabor221`	`crap chopset`
`22:25.06`	`Patlabor221`	`chipset`
`22:25.09`	`Patlabor221`	`not even a real card`
`22:25.14`	`Patlabor221`	`sad 8 bit textures even`
`22:25.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-(`
`22:25.26`	`Patlabor221`	`or get a real card`
`22:25.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`My whole life is a lie!`
`22:25.35`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`22:25.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the southbridge pretending to be a video card`
`22:25.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Get DX8?`
`22:25.54`	`Patlabor221`	`sucking up system ram too`
`22:25.59`	`Patlabor221`	`8 or 9`
`22:26.02`	`Patlabor221`	`your call`
`22:26.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and get the latest drivers`
`22:26.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`9 sounds cool`
`22:26.15`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: AGP cards suck up system ram ;)`
`22:26.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hardware?`
`22:26.22`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: they do?`
`22:26.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yes but in a good way`
`22:26.33`	`Patlabor221`	`in the AGP DMA buffer way`
`22:26.38`	`captain_proton`	`doughecka: do you have any idea how AGP works?`
`22:26.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"I want to suck your RAM!"`
`22:26.54`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: hmm, the card plugs in and I get nice pretty images`
`22:27.11`	`captain_proton`	`so that would be a "no"`
`22:27.46`	`*** join/#bzflag creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`22:27.52`	`creeperz`	`Hello`
`22:27.55`	`doughecka`	`DIE!`
`22:27.57`	`doughecka`	`er`
`22:27.57`	`doughecka`	`hi`
`22:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`we were doing some stuff allocating AGP mem manualy`
`22:28.09`	`Patlabor221`	`got funky`
`22:28.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:28.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`??`
`22:28.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I can't see away messages from myself`
`22:28.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`22:28.52`	`Patlabor221`	`you will live`
`22:28.54`	`creeperz`	`Yea, neither can I!`
`22:29.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`We got problems, creep`
`22:29.13`	`creeperz`	`That's Mr. creep to you!`
`22:29.15`	`creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:29.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-)`
`22:29.19`	`doughecka`	`hmm, interesting, its that option in my settings that says texture memory size?`
`22:29.19`	`captain_proton`	`sigh`
`22:29.21`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.intel.com/design/software/drivers/platform/810.htm?iid=ipp_810echpst+prod_du&`
`22:29.28`	`Patlabor221`	`that is all the drivers for you crap chipset`
`22:29.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`22:29.45`	`creeperz`	`Cool`
`22:29.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`YEA!`
`22:29.52`	`creeperz`	`Really`
`22:29.55`	`Patlabor221`	`he may not`
`22:30.07`	`Patlabor221`	`seems about half of the cheap systems do and half don't`
`22:30.09`	`doughecka`	`and 3 pci slots`
`22:30.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that's the common config`
`22:30.21`	`doughecka`	`and a funky modem thingy`
`22:30.27`	`doughecka`	`but thats gettin rare`
`22:30.27`	`Patlabor221`	`for HP/Compaq/e-machines`
`22:30.32`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`22:31.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So I download the second .zip file then, Jeff?`
`22:31.18`	`doughecka`	`hmm, antialiasing.... nah`
`22:31.18`	`Patlabor221`	`install DX`
`22:31.23`	`Patlabor221`	`then install those drivers`
`22:31.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`22:31.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Macrocrap.com?`
`22:31.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.microsoft.com`
`22:32.08`	`creeperz`	`Well, I'm going to join my counter part, bye`
`22:32.09`	`doughecka`	`http://macrosoft.com/`
`22:32.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Bye`
`22:32.11`	`Patlabor221`	`windows update will do the direct X for you`
`22:32.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hello`
`22:32.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:)`
`22:32.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`22:32.33`	`Patlabor221`	`could you get any lamer?`
`22:32.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So just unzip this stuff and that's that?`
`22:32.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`22:32.46`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`22:32.48`	`Patlabor221`	`listen`
`22:32.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I could chase my cat's tail`
`22:33.02`	`Patlabor221`	`you know, screw it`
`22:33.05`	`Patlabor221`	`figure it out`
`22:33.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`22:33.42`	`Patlabor221`	`figure it out`
`22:33.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:33.55`	`Patlabor221`	`no point in telling you anything`
`22:33.59`	`Patlabor221`	`you just type thru it`
`22:34.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Now unzip it?`
`22:34.52`	`Patlabor221`	`you never listen, so figure it out.`
`22:35.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`22:35.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm, I heard a car, yet no car to be seen`
`22:36.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ACK!`
`22:36.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lotza stuff!`
`22:37.09`	`doughecka`	`oooh`
`22:37.11`	`doughecka`	`UPS is here`
`22:37.50`	`Patlabor221`	`the iGrill?`
`22:38.00`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper I tried to tell you`
`22:38.05`	`Patlabor221`	`then you never freakin listen`
`22:38.08`	`Patlabor221`	`or ever read`
`22:38.12`	`Patlabor221`	`so what's the point`
`22:38.24`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: nah, no igrill... I bet its my CF reader`
`22:38.29`	`doughecka`	`or CF card`
`22:38.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`22:38.44`	`Patlabor221`	`if you want one of those cheap ones`
`22:38.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I can problaby get them for you cheap`
`22:39.02`	`doughecka`	`one of them external ones`
`22:39.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's the point in dropping me after you get half-done helping me?`
`22:39.05`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds cheap enough`
`22:39.10`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`22:39.13`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper cus you don't freakin listen`
`22:39.15`	`doughecka`	`cheasy package too`
`22:39.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I said do DirectX first`
`22:39.32`	`Patlabor221`	`via windows update`
`22:39.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't care anymore about my gay computer!`
`22:39.52`	`doughecka`	`ah, nope, its 2500 postcards my dad printed for somebody`
`22:39.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It frickin' sucks!`
`22:40.17`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: using "gay" as a derogatory word is awfully bigoted`
`22:40.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And why the hell won't it restart?!`
`22:40.38`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`22:40.41`	`doughecka`	`I wonder why too`
`22:41.05`	`doughecka`	`hmm, dual 1.25 g4s and 1 gig of ram makes photoshop snappy`
`22:41.58`	`Patlabor221`	`see what he gets for not listenin`
`22:42.24`	`Patlabor221`	`the ram makes it snappy`
`22:42.34`	`Patlabor221`	`tho some of the filters will use the second cpu`
`22:43.38`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`22:43.41`	`doughecka`	`like what?`
`22:43.42`	`Patlabor221`	`you need to use all that CPU to crack the x-box private key`
`22:43.55`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:43.58`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: wasn't that project cancelled?`
`22:44.03`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it was`
`22:44.06`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`22:44.20`	`Patlabor221`	`tho was reading last night that they go it to book linux with out a mod chip`
`22:44.22`	`doughecka`	`wee, 3.3 gig image`
`22:44.27`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it's not an easy task`
`22:44.41`	`Noodleman_work`	`you can call me bigoted if you like, but gay is wrong`
`22:44.50`	`doughecka`	`what filter uses the dual cpu?`
`22:45.03`	`Patlabor221`	`anything that can be broken up`
`22:45.08`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe blur`
`22:45.10`	`doughecka`	`hm`
`22:45.26`	`Patlabor221`	`or no maybe not blur`
`22:45.59`	`doughecka`	`blur seems to be goin fast`
`22:46.04`	`Patlabor221`	`well that's good`
`22:46.07`	`doughecka`	`but I dont know how fast it can good`
`22:46.09`	`doughecka`	`go*`
`22:46.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I think the iGrill woudl have been better`
`22:47.01`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`22:47.14`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`22:47.43`	`Patlabor221`	`does it have the same voltage?`
`22:47.58`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: hmm, dunno, but it can supply more power I tink`
`22:47.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And alot of task bar icons`
`22:48.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I want to know if the iGrill shows up as a device`
`22:48.13`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: YEA, YOU can program the thing`
`22:48.16`	`doughecka`	`web controlled`
`22:48.26`	`Patlabor221`	`actulay I want it as a drive icon`
`22:48.29`	`doughecka`	`so you can heat it up at work, and get it ready at home`
`22:48.35`	`doughecka`	`drive?`
`22:48.46`	`Patlabor221`	`and have it change if there is a grilled cheese sandwich in it`
`22:48.53`	`Patlabor221`	`what become of the iPot?`
`22:48.57`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:49.00`	`doughecka`	`~ipot`
`22:49.00`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`22:49.04`	`doughecka`	`darn`
`22:49.15`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: the guy i was working on it with got disinterested`
`22:49.19`	`doughecka`	`http://microhard.com/HOME/`
`22:49.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botpot`
`22:49.32`	`Patlabor221`	`creeper, just install a real OS`
`22:49.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botpot`
`22:49.53`		`Yea, it's great`
`22:49.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-`
`22:50.01`	`doughecka`	`darn, ipot is taken`
`22:50.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-) *`
`22:50.06`	`doughecka`	`its an acronam`
`22:50.12`	`doughecka`	`IPOT : IP Over Time`
`22:50.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~ipot?`
`22:50.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`aHH`
`22:50.23`	`doughecka`	`or Image Processing & Optical`
`22:50.23`	`doughecka`	`Technology`
`22:50.57`	`Noodleman_work`	`or a toilet that comes in different 'flavors'`
`22:51.06`	`doughecka`	`thats nasty`
`22:51.07`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`22:51.10`	`doughecka`	`unless ur a dog`
`22:51.26`	`doughecka`	`then you could have meat, and chicken... and fish...`
`22:51.39`	`doughecka`	`whatever was yesterdays meal I guess :P`
`22:52.04`	`doughecka`	`~spell grossed`
`22:52.04`		`'grossed' may be spelled correctly`
`22:52.08`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`22:52.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`huh?`
`22:52.23`	`doughecka`	`dumb homeschoolers, cant pronouce a word correctly`
`22:52.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:52.42`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-28.swipnet.se)`
`22:53.00`	`doughecka`	`~seen mrapathycream`
`22:53.07`		`mrapathycream <dbrosius@209-163-97-186.dialup.qis.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 2d 15h 38m 46s ago, saying: 'ibot, bzflag wake scheduled?'.`
`22:53.14`	`doughecka`	`hhu`
`22:53.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, bzflag wake scheduled?`
`22:53.29`		`[STC]_creeperz: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.`
`22:53.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, bzflag wake scheduled`
`22:53.48`		`i haven't a clue, [STC]_creeperz`
`22:53.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`22:54.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, what's up?`
`22:54.06`		`[STC]_creeperz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`22:54.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea, ibot`
`22:54.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, how are you?`
`22:54.18`		`[STC]_creeperz: just great`
`22:54.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, that's good`
`22:54.29`		`[STC]_creeperz: are you using Windows?`
`22:54.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, yea, why?`
`22:54.37`		`[STC]_creeperz: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox?`
`22:54.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot: Windows sucks`
`22:54.50`		`[STC]_creeperz: I wish you would RTFM.`
`22:55.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot: I have...Where is it anyway?`
`22:55.06`		`[STC]_creeperz: what are you talking about?`
`22:55.08`	`doughecka`	`~RTFM`
`22:55.10`		`somebody said rtfm was Read The F*cking Manual, or see RTFF, or STFW`
`22:55.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know what it means...`
`22:55.21`	`doughecka`	`~RTFF`
`22:55.22`		`rumour has it, rtff is Read The Fine FAQ: http://www.openzaurus.org/oz_website/faq/browse.php`
`22:55.29`	`doughecka`	`~STFW`
`22:55.30`		`i guess stfw is Search The F*cking Web`
`22:55.34`	`Patlabor221`	`how bout STFU`
`22:55.38`	`doughecka`	`~STFU`
`22:55.39`		`sorry :-(`
`22:55.46`	`doughecka`	`ooh`
`22:56.11`	`doughecka`	`~STFU is <reply> Shut The Fine universe`
`22:56.12`		`...but stfu is already something else...`
`22:56.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~STFU`
`22:56.41`		`sorry :-(`
`22:56.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, forget STFU`
`22:56.48`		`[STC]_creeperz: i forgot stfu`
`22:57.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, STFU is <reply> Shut The Fine universe`
`22:57.05`		`[STC]_creeperz: okay`
`22:58.46`	`Patlabor221`	`keep going and you will find out`
`22:59.21`	`doughecka`	`~smack`
`22:59.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsmack`
`22:59.32`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`22:59.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsnack`
`22:59.40`		`[STC]_creeperz: :)`
`22:59.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botpot`
`22:59.46`		`Yea, it's great`
`23:00.59`	`Patlabor221`	`no I have many better things to do`
`23:01.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`23:01.37`	`Patlabor221`	`you ask for help then don't listen, the just go off on anoying bot abuse.`
`23:01.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How can you hold two jobs and always be on the computer?`
`23:01.48`	`Patlabor221`	`both have computers :)`
`23:01.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`23:02.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I am a programer`
`23:02.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohh`
`23:02.20`	`Patlabor221`	`that does require computers`
`23:02.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't work at like Burger King`
`23:02.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know, but I usually see you chatting away`
`23:02.46`	`Patlabor221`	`I can multi task`
`23:02.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:03.00`	`Patlabor221`	`whilst debugin`
`23:03.21`	`Patlabor221`	`atl tab man`
`23:03.24`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`23:03.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know about alt=tab...What's so special about it?`
`23:03.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`-*`
`23:03.52`	`Patlabor221`	`use it`
`23:03.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No other windows open now`
`23:04.26`	`doughecka`	`but then, IE crashed soon after it reached 224`
`23:05.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`117 actually`
`23:06.32`	`Patlabor221`	`why would you want 224 ie windows?`
`23:07.01`	`doughecka`	`a pop up IE blower uper`
`23:07.23`	`Patlabor221`	`must be nice to have nothing better to do`
`23:08.07`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`23:10.07`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm would it be advantageous to allow multiple joysticks to be used at the same time?`
`23:10.31`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: not very, at least for the moment`
`23:10.40`	`captain_proton`	`eventually you might want to make it configurable which joystick it chooses`
`23:11.00`	`doughecka`	`unless you could control motion and barral control...`
`23:11.01`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`23:11.32`	`Patlabor221`	`what bout like speed on a throtle sick, and turn/fire on a normal stick?`
`23:11.40`	`Patlabor221`	`or do those thigns show as one device?`
`23:12.07`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: i think those show up as one joystick with a bunch of axes`
`23:12.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff`
`23:12.31`	`Patlabor221`	`cap, cool`
`23:12.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yes Terry`
`23:12.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You should make the little bar across the screen to stay level with the horizon`
`23:12.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In the center of the HUD`
`23:13.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And maybe a speed-o or something ;-)`
`23:13.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`speed-o= speedometer`
`23:13.38`	`captain_proton`	`like physics, and actually making a game`
`23:13.39`	`Patlabor221`	`the inner circle stays level`
`23:13.47`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it does need gameness`
`23:13.57`	`Patlabor221`	`working on collisions`
`23:14.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It stays level...with the ship!`
`23:14.10`	`Patlabor221`	`but I did just get some joysticks`
`23:14.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But it was just a suggestion for LATER DEVELOPMENT`
`23:14.32`	`Patlabor221`	`may hook them up, makes debuging easyer, since it's a device that the debuger dosn't need ether`
`23:15.03`	`doughecka`	`how do joystick splitters work?`
`23:15.11`	`Patlabor221`	`the outer circle satays level with the ground`
`23:15.11`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: if you have two extra usb joysticks that are hand-independent, i'd be happy to hack at bz a little ;)`
`23:15.25`	`Patlabor221`	`cap it's not BZ`
`23:15.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff: you talking to me?`
`23:15.33`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: i know`
`23:15.36`	`Patlabor221`	`on the circles`
`23:15.54`	`Patlabor221`	`cap I may be able to find some`
`23:16.48`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: What are those spinning symbols?`
`23:16.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Need me, contact me via e-mail`
`23:17.12`	`Patlabor221`	`larsl spawn points`
`23:17.16`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`23:18.03`	`Patlabor221`	`mostly they are ther to show arbitrary meshes`
`23:18.07`	`Patlabor221`	`and ground objects`
`23:18.11`	`larsl`	`Nice eyecandy.`
`23:18.14`	`larsl`	`I like the flag.`
`23:18.40`	`Patlabor221`	`yes the flag is keen`
`23:18.46`	`Noodleman_work`	`it flaps in the wind nicer than the flags in bz`
`23:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`to bad it's not mine`
`23:18.49`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@toronto-hs-64-26-176-61.d-ip.magma.ca)`
`23:18.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's HUGE!`
`23:19.06`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`23:19.08`	`captain_proton`	`Noodleman_work: you'd scream if you knew how flags really work in bz :P`
`23:19.16`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`23:19.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah it's kinda sad`
`23:19.33`	`Patlabor221`	`sine wave modulation`
`23:19.45`	`captain_proton`	`the sine wave modulation is cool`
`23:19.51`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`23:19.55`	`captain_proton`	`the fact that they're spherically billboarded is not`
`23:19.56`	`Patlabor221`	`but not as cool as "the flag"`
`23:20.15`	`Patlabor221`	`tho that flag is 7.5 megs :(`
`23:20.22`	`Noodleman_work`	`whoa`
`23:20.22`	`larsl`	`Spherically billboarded?`
`23:20.23`	`Patlabor221`	`over 1000 triangles`
`23:20.32`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: are you familiar with billboarding?`
`23:20.35`	`Patlabor221`	`they are flat to you no mater how you look at them`
`23:20.37`	`larsl`	`No.`
`23:20.43`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`23:20.49`	`Patlabor221`	`it's like a paper that allways points flat to you`
`23:20.51`	`larsl`	`Like the sprites in Doom. =)`
`23:20.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`23:21.02`	`Patlabor221`	`but they don't have difrent images for views`
`23:21.03`	`captain_proton`	`right, the rotation matrix is hacked to turn polygons toward the camera`
`23:21.20`	`captain_proton`	`but in the case of flags, if you're roaming and looking down the flags will look as though they're lying flat on the ground`
`23:21.24`	`Patlabor221`	`is there a game port to USB adapter?`
`23:21.25`	`larsl`	`So they are 3D objects, but they are rotated to look 2D?`
`23:21.33`	`larsl`	`Odd.`
`23:21.35`	`captain_proton`	`larsl: they're mostly 2d`
`23:21.42`	`Patlabor221`	`rotated to look 3d`
`23:21.52`	`captain_proton`	`bz's flags have a 3rd dimension which is used to create the flag waving`
`23:23.02`	`Patlabor221`	`damn gamport usb adapters are more then USB joysticks`
`23:23.35`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`23:23.46`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: yep`
`23:25.00`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (creeperz@host-178-78-220-24.midco.net)`
`23:25.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where are BZFlag tank models located in the source?`
`23:25.30`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: not too hard to find`
`23:25.32`	`Patlabor221`	`in the geometry project`
`23:25.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm?`
`23:25.44`	`Patlabor221`	`hitank`
`23:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`medtank`
`23:25.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`23:25.52`	`Patlabor221`	`and lowtank`
`23:25.57`	`Patlabor221`	`there are 5 C files for each part`
`23:26.10`	`doughecka`	`the most insane way of doing it too`
`23:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm seems belkin makes an adaper for like $6`
`23:26.32`	`Patlabor221`	`doug, not realy considering when it was made`
`23:26.48`	`Patlabor221`	`cap look at this http://www.pcconnection.com/scripts/productdetail.asp?product_id=284072`
`23:26.57`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`23:27.19`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If they're all the same, why have them hitank, medtank, low tank?`
`23:27.38`	`captain_proton`	`they're not all the same`
`23:27.38`	`doughecka`	`they arnt`
`23:27.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No?`
`23:27.51`	`doughecka`	`when ur far away`
`23:27.57`	`Patlabor221`	`they each have difrent poly counts`
`23:28.00`	`doughecka`	`it lowers the poligon count`
`23:28.04`	`Patlabor221`	`don't need high detail far away`
`23:28.10`	`captain_proton`	`poligon?`
`23:28.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohhh`
`23:28.13`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: How are you licensing the Screamers code?`
`23:28.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Polygon*`
`23:28.19`	`Patlabor221`	`you know what I mean`
`23:28.26`	`Patlabor221`	`larsl don't know yet`
`23:28.29`	`Patlabor221`	`probably gpl`
`23:28.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I do need to get something int erhe`
`23:28.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why does it have to be liscensed?`
`23:28.53`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry typing with one had`
`23:28.55`	`Patlabor221`	`hand`
`23:29.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-]`
`23:29.12`	`Patlabor221`	`to keep it from being stolen and used out of it's intended purpose.`
`23:29.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ahh`
`23:29.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But who is going to steal it?`
`23:29.33`	`doughecka`	`me`
`23:29.36`	`Patlabor221`	`you never know`
`23:30.00`	`doughecka`	`in soviet russia, the software STEALS YOU!`
`23:32.10`	`larsl`	`"Settings" is typoed in the title screen. =)`
`23:32.31`	`doughecka`	`larsl: oh great, we have another typesetter :)`
`23:32.42`	`Noodleman_work`	`if you have borrowed any code from bz, screamers has to be gpl`
`23:34.03`	`captain_proton`	`[STC]_creeperz: a company could take his code and call it their own and sell the game if it wasn't licensed`
`23:34.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I don't think he has, Noodleman`
`23:34.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know, captain_proton`
`23:34.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If I were to make a game, I'd pay people to steal it`
`23:34.47`	`*** join/#bzflag CobraA1 (CobraA1@68.114.205.4)`
`23:34.53`	`Noodleman_work`	`hah`
`23:35.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So, uhhh, where in the source does it say to connect? The server list I mean`
`23:36.49`	`captain_proton`	`i was sitting alone in my office`
`23:36.54`	`captain_proton`	`when a man i had reason to kill`
`23:37.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I want to make it so that people can use the libs tho`
`23:37.03`	`captain_proton`	`called me from the telephone near my building`
`23:37.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`BRB`
`23:37.14`	`Patlabor221`	`for non comercial use`
`23:37.15`	`captain_proton`	`...`
`23:37.26`	`Patlabor221`	`unless they talk to me`
`23:37.57`	`CobraA1`	`Whay libs? I just came in`
`23:37.59`	`doughecka`	`captain_proton: ...`
`23:38.07`	`Patlabor221`	`my libs :)`
`23:38.19`	`doughecka`	`CobraA1: now you know, now we kill you`
`23:38.20`	`CobraA1`	`What do they do?`
`23:38.47`	`captain_proton`	`CobraA1: sewing`
`23:39.00`	`captain_proton`	`but i jest`
`23:39.04`	`CobraA1`	`If you made the libs, you have copyright, otherwise ask the owner`
`23:39.05`	`captain_proton`	`CobraA1: they actually lend out books`
`23:42.17`	`CobraA1`	`I'm not connecting to irc-4.aniverse.com . . .`
`23:43.25`	`*** join/#bzflag Skipp (buuzw719@dialup-67.25.201.42.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)`
`23:45.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It just saved my life!`
`23:45.18`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`23:45.21`	`Noodleman_work`	`j/k`
`23:45.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:-(`
`23:45.46`	`Noodleman_work`	`sorry, mean joke`
`23:54.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmm`
`23:54.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm going to play BZFlag...or work on a new map or some crap like that`
`23:55.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yup...I'm going to play BZFlag`
`23:55.41`	`Noodleman_work`	`yup yup yup`
`23:55.44`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-)`
`23:56.25`	`*** part/#bzflag Skipp (buuzw719@dialup-67.25.201.42.Dial1.Denver1.Level3.net)`

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