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| 01:10.14 | Patlabor2211 | doug you here? |
| 01:20.50 | bzdougg | yah |
| 01:23.30 | Patlabor2211 | nm, found what I needed :) |
| 01:23.43 | bzdougg | ah |
| 01:24.12 | bzdougg | I was wonderin how hard it is to make a ethernet driver for something |
| 01:25.01 | Patlabor2211 | for what OS |
| 01:25.31 | bzdougg | winders |
| 01:26.55 | Patlabor2211 | what is the device? |
| 01:27.36 | bzdougg | not a device, but I need it to convert the data into a format and output it on the serial port, and visa versa |
| 01:28.13 | Patlabor2211 | so you want to take ethernet packets and proxy them to the serial port? |
| 01:28.21 | bzdougg | yea... |
| 01:28.32 | bzdougg | this format |
| 01:28.33 | bzdougg | http://people.qualcomm.com/karn/papers/kiss.html |
| 01:28.33 | Patlabor2211 | isn't that what a slip connection is? |
| 01:28.45 | bzdougg | yup |
| 01:28.58 | bzdougg | but I need it that particular format |
| 01:29.09 | Patlabor2211 | so you need an app |
| 01:29.12 | Patlabor2211 | not a driver |
| 01:29.27 | bzdougg | Patlabor2211: an app would work, but I REALLY would like a driver that did it all |
| 01:29.44 | Patlabor2211 | a driver for what device? |
| 01:29.54 | Patlabor2211 | drivers are for devicices |
| 01:30.02 | Patlabor2211 | I think you mean service |
| 01:30.05 | Patlabor2211 | not driver |
| 01:30.10 | bzdougg | yea! |
| 01:30.16 | Patlabor2211 | something that is allways there but not an app |
| 01:30.30 | Patlabor2211 | it's not hard to write a service |
| 01:30.37 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 01:30.37 | Patlabor2211 | just a DLL |
| 01:30.41 | Patlabor2211 | and some registry entrys |
| 01:30.47 | bzdougg | and what about the app? |
| 01:30.49 | Patlabor2211 | and your callback hooks |
| 01:31.27 | Patlabor2211 | wow frank took prim modeling to an ENTIRELY new level |
| 01:31.36 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 01:32.14 | Patlabor2211 | spheres, cylinders, and boxes |
| 01:32.25 | Patlabor2211 | not a single face edited |
| 01:32.32 | bzdougg | ah |
| 01:32.46 | Patlabor2211 | now the teleporter has some merit |
| 01:33.19 | Patlabor2211 | tho it needs a ramp |
| 01:33.54 | bzdougg | heh |
| 01:35.49 | Patlabor2211 | hmm not much realy worth gankin outa there |
| 01:36.23 | bzdougg | lol |
| 01:38.32 | Patlabor2211 | think railgun wave is about it |
| 01:38.50 | bzdougg | hah |
| 01:39.03 | Patlabor2211 | since that was ganked from star wars anyway |
| 01:39.13 | bzdougg | oh? |
| 01:39.22 | Patlabor2211 | listen to it |
| 01:39.52 | Patlabor2211 | if you were boorn before 80, every time you hear it you think, " I don't care what you smell, Get in there" |
| 01:39.55 | bzdougg | ooh, the sound |
| 01:40.34 | Patlabor2211 | yes what did you think? |
| 01:40.59 | bzdougg | the graphics |
| 01:41.30 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 01:41.34 | bzdougg | I dont have it |
| 01:41.50 | bzdougg | I need a password to un compress my thing |
| 01:42.10 | Patlabor2211 | don't have it unziped anymore? |
| 01:42.13 | bzdougg | nope |
| 01:42.46 | Patlabor2211 | I will post when I finish printing the porn |
| 01:42.54 | bzdougg | LOL |
| 01:43.01 | Patlabor2211 | seriioulsy |
| 01:43.20 | Patlabor2211 | tho is it porn if there is no nudity? |
| 01:43.30 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 01:43.35 | bzdougg | 'lo Noodleman |
| 01:44.01 | Patlabor2211 | http://www.bakadigital.com/files/audio/snd_railgun.wav |
| 01:45.02 | Patlabor2211 | I mean it dosn't even have like provocitive situations, it's wierd |
| 01:46.56 | bzdougg | the golf card |
| 01:46.59 | bzdougg | cart* |
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| 02:09.58 | Patlabor2211 | what would be a good tag line for 3DScreamers? |
| 02:13.38 | Noodleman | 3dscreamers -- good clean fun. sorta. |
| 02:14.13 | bzdougg | maybe |
| 02:14.15 | bzdougg | not |
| 02:14.21 | bzdougg | well..., mostly bad |
| 02:14.25 | Patlabor2211 | how bout "holly crap, it runs" |
| 02:14.38 | bzdougg | lol |
| 02:18.23 | Patlabor2211 | http://www.bakadigital.com/files/logotest.png |
| 02:18.31 | Patlabor2211 | what is thoguht of that? |
| 02:19.00 | Noodleman | hehe |
| 02:20.53 | Patlabor2211 | actualy the site has the tagline "it's the diffrence between a job and an adventure" |
| 02:27.08 | bzdougg | it is? |
| 02:28.26 | Patlabor2211 | ohh yeah totaly :) |
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| 02:41.10 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmm |
| 02:41.18 | [STC]_creeperz | Turns out that ME sucks! |
| 02:41.24 | [STC]_creeperz | Who would have figured? |
| 02:41.47 | [STC]_creeperz | I can't host a site from it |
| 02:41.57 | [STC]_creeperz | ...Bill Gates is going to pay! |
| 02:42.02 | Patlabor2211 | ? |
| 02:42.12 | Patlabor2211 | cable proder blocks incoming port 80? |
| 02:42.18 | [STC]_creeperz | No |
| 02:42.41 | Patlabor2211 | apache won't run? |
| 02:42.47 | [STC]_creeperz | It's just that ME was set up for a "personal" beginner (I am a little beyond that now) PC |
| 02:42.52 | [STC]_creeperz | Not that |
| 02:43.15 | [STC]_creeperz | Apache needs to work with my DNS right? |
| 02:43.20 | [STC]_creeperz | And there's my problem! |
| 02:43.24 | bzdougg | um, no |
| 02:43.28 | Patlabor2211 | you have to point your DNS ti your IP |
| 02:43.28 | [STC]_creeperz | No? |
| 02:43.30 | Patlabor2211 | that's all |
| 02:43.32 | bzdougg | the DNS needs to point to your ip |
| 02:43.34 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea |
| 02:43.43 | Patlabor2211 | the DNS is just an IP |
| 02:43.43 | [STC]_creeperz | ... |
| 02:43.46 | bzdougg | no-ip.com |
| 02:43.47 | Patlabor2211 | or another domain |
| 02:43.47 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 02:43.55 | Patlabor2211 | so what is the problem? |
| 02:44.11 | [STC]_creeperz | IT...WON'T...LET...ME...HOST! |
| 02:44.20 | Patlabor2211 | huh? |
| 02:44.25 | Patlabor2211 | that is not engouh info |
| 02:44.28 | [STC]_creeperz | But, ummm, my dad is getting me XP later on next month ;) |
| 02:44.32 | Patlabor2211 | what is the exact problem |
| 02:44.35 | [STC]_creeperz | No idea |
| 02:44.39 | Patlabor2211 | apahe won't run? |
| 02:44.43 | [STC]_creeperz | Well: |
| 02:44.49 | Patlabor2211 | or you can't get the dns to route to you? |
| 02:44.53 | [STC]_creeperz | ME was never set up to do such a thing |
| 02:45.02 | [STC]_creeperz | Neither... |
| 02:45.05 | bzdougg | who said that? |
| 02:45.07 | Patlabor2211 | ME has nothing to do with it |
| 02:45.10 | [STC]_creeperz | But I'm not concerned about it |
| 02:45.20 | Patlabor2211 | apache is an app |
| 02:45.22 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm getting XP |
| 02:45.25 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 02:45.30 | [STC]_creeperz | Hmmmm, BRB |
| 02:45.38 | Patlabor2211 | still if you can't run apache on ME, you won't be able to on XP |
| 02:46.49 | [STC]_creeperz | Yea, it should work |
| 02:47.08 | Patlabor2211 | what did you try and not have work? |
| 02:47.30 | [STC]_creeperz | I didn't try :) The dude tried w/o Apache |
| 02:47.36 | [STC]_creeperz | I misunderstood him |
| 02:47.42 | bzdougg | ? |
| 02:47.46 | Patlabor2211 | huh? |
| 02:47.51 | Patlabor2211 | I know you can't get IIS on ME |
| 02:47.56 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 02:47.57 | Patlabor2211 | but apache should run fine |
| 02:48.01 | [STC]_creeperz | He told me that, too |
| 02:48.07 | Patlabor2211 | and the DNS will just route |
| 02:48.10 | [STC]_creeperz | It should |
| 02:48.13 | [STC]_creeperz | I know |
| 02:48.30 | [STC]_creeperz | I'm going to get a book over the weekend or something |
| 02:48.32 | [STC]_creeperz | :\ |
| 02:48.42 | [STC]_creeperz | Books are sure expensive! |
| 02:49.00 | bzdougg | what for? |
| 02:49.26 | [STC]_creeperz | Web site hosting, C++...Anything that requires ou to learn! |
| 02:49.34 | [STC]_creeperz | you* |
| 02:49.42 | [STC]_creeperz | Well, back to BZFlag! |
| 02:49.47 | bzdougg | *cough* google *cough* |
| 02:50.08 | [STC]_creeperz | *cough* Free tutorials from Kazaa *cough* |
| 02:50.11 | [STC]_creeperz | :) |
| 02:50.16 | [STC]_creeperz | BZLag :) |
| 02:50.23 | [STC]_creeperz | Back to BZLag! |
| 02:57.19 | bzdougg | Maintain thine airspeed lest the ground come up and smite thee |
| 02:58.25 | Patlabor2211 | how does this look? |
| 02:58.25 | Patlabor2211 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/Screamers/ |
| 02:58.41 | Patlabor2211 | got kinda sick of the crome thing |
| 02:59.57 | bzdougg | cool |
| 03:00.19 | Patlabor2211 | added some screen shots too |
| 03:00.44 | Patlabor2211 | of the "incredibly bland CTF Test Map" (TM) |
| 03:00.57 | bzdougg | heeh |
| 03:01.18 | Patlabor2211 | tho I came up with a new techonology name |
| 03:01.20 | Patlabor2211 | Authortive Serverside Stuff |
| 03:01.22 | Patlabor2211 | aka |
| 03:01.24 | Patlabor2211 | ASS |
| 03:01.27 | bzdougg | lol |
| 03:02.00 | bzdougg | does this game work? |
| 03:02.10 | Patlabor2211 | define work |
| 03:02.15 | Patlabor2211 | :) |
| 03:02.27 | bzdougg | got any downloads? |
| 03:02.37 | bzdougg | any multiplayer stuff in it yet? :) |
| 03:02.42 | bzdougg | bots? |
| 03:03.22 | Patlabor2211 | the UT flag does rock |
| 03:03.42 | Patlabor2211 | I hope I can get someone to use on of those max plugins to make me a nice flag I can use |
| 03:04.00 | bzdougg | heh |
| 03:12.24 | Patlabor2211 | it's amazing how cool ground objects make stuff look |
| 03:12.49 | bzdougg | hehe |
| 03:13.13 | Patlabor2211 | and the spawns look neat, they spin |
| 03:13.25 | bzdougg | hm |
| 03:13.55 | Patlabor2211 | even made the gear texture on teh ground spin |
| 03:17.07 | Patlabor2211 | do you have any of those cloth animation plugins for max? |
| 03:17.22 | bzdougg | nope |
| 03:17.39 | Patlabor2211 | dang |
| 03:18.06 | bzdougg | never found any |
| 03:18.10 | bzdougg | free ones at least |
| 03:18.24 | Patlabor2211 | like that should stop you :) |
| 03:18.48 | bzdougg | lol |
| 03:28.01 | Patlabor2211 | well Time to get my sorry bumm homew |
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| 13:04.33 | bzdougg | moo |
| 13:27.18 | Jormungandr | hiya doug |
| 13:27.22 | bzdougg | 'lo |
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| 14:11.51 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 14:12.28 | Jormungandr | I'm actually considering logging times when spoogebob logs on and emailing sbc's abuse department. |
| 16:25.25 | [dmp] | alternativily, and slightly more expensive: Find his address, launch operation "you cant cheat now", get real tanks, team up in from of his home. :) |
| 16:30.41 | bzdougg | lol |
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| 17:05.48 | Jormungandr | I can't really log times unless I get a script to tail the logs. |
| 17:05.53 | Jormungandr | hi patlabor221 |
| 17:06.03 | Jormungandr | but I need to do that. I want to get this guy in trouble. |
| 17:06.15 | Jormungandr | he's screwed with the bzflag community long enough. |
| 17:06.39 | Jormungandr | maybe I'll find an abuse person at sbc that will listen. |
| 17:06.57 | Jormungandr | too bad the log doesn't time stamp. |
| 17:06.59 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 17:07.14 | Jormungandr | I could pipe to a script that can time stamp each entry. |
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| 17:12.56 | Patlabor221 | who? |
| 17:22.23 | Patlabor221 | ugggg, it's gonna be a pain to get Time Loged |
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| 17:26.28 | ak|ra | hi |
| 17:30.03 | Jormungandr | pat, spoogebob |
| 17:30.37 | Jormungandr | I may see if stibnite's script also logs times. |
| 17:30.41 | Patlabor221 | that was my guess |
| 17:30.57 | Jormungandr | I know they are time stamped. |
| 17:31.08 | Jormungandr | just gotta see if he can generate a report for me. |
| 17:31.23 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 17:31.31 | Patlabor221 | I was looking at adding time stamp to bzfs |
| 17:31.45 | Jormungandr | I have a login, I just don't remember what it was. |
| 17:31.48 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 17:32.32 | Patlabor221 | it's all done with printfs, not gonna be easy |
| 17:32.44 | Jormungandr | bummer. |
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| 17:33.43 | Patlabor221 | best way would be to replace them all with sprintf, and pass the string to a function, that does the apropriate thing for each OS |
| 17:33.55 | Patlabor221 | could even have it fire off a trace when debuging on windows. |
| 17:35.04 | Patlabor221 | but then that's replacing every call to DEBUG1 - 4 in the BZFS |
| 17:36.05 | ak|ra | what does a blitter do exactly? |
| 17:37.34 | Patlabor221 | copy's data |
| 17:38.01 | Patlabor221 | copys the image data from one image ( or part of an image) to another image ( or part of an image ) |
| 17:38.05 | Patlabor221 | very fast |
| 17:38.10 | Patlabor221 | some even do scaling. |
| 17:38.19 | Patlabor221 | it's used for 2d graphics |
| 17:38.30 | ak|ra | ok, then its another technology i mean .. |
| 17:38.33 | Patlabor221 | when you have all your images as liniar frame buffer |
| 17:38.37 | ak|ra | searching for a term ... |
| 17:38.49 | ak|ra | offset |
| 17:38.51 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 17:38.51 | ak|ra | thats the word |
| 17:38.52 | ak|ra | man |
| 17:39.04 | Patlabor221 | ahhh the offet and the pad? |
| 17:39.20 | ak|ra | i have data and want to add an offset in a postprocessing step |
| 17:39.45 | Patlabor221 | so you just want to shift all the data by some value? or move it over in memory? |
| 17:40.59 | ak|ra | shift the data |
| 17:41.01 | ak|ra | -> offset |
| 17:41.16 | Patlabor221 | that shoudl be easy |
| 17:41.47 | ak|ra | the main problem was to find the WORD |
| 17:41.49 | ak|ra | :) |
| 17:42.06 | Patlabor221 | yes you would need to know that |
| 17:43.16 | Patlabor221 | wow SF is SLOOWWW today |
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| 17:44.32 | insect_abdomen | lo |
| 17:48.15 | insect_abdomen | network layer: whats the hot potato algorithm for routing? |
| 17:51.58 | insect_abdomen | i dont get it in a broadcast network like token ring there does not exist a bes routing path, so why is this damn book talking about that |
| 17:53.53 | Jormungandr | patlabor221, found bzfsZ taking lots of CPU all of a sudden. killing and restarting. |
| 17:55.37 | insect_abdomen | gurgle, damn book |
| 17:56.01 | Jormungandr | well, bzfsZ will be down on dragon.org for a while. |
| 17:56.10 | Jormungandr | same problem |
| 17:57.06 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 18:05.52 | larsl | ~xmission |
| 18:09.34 | Jormungandr | with some of the issues with people like Spoogebob, I'm really close to just shutting down my servers. |
| 18:09.46 | Jormungandr | I have no real control unless I am on the server all the time. |
| 18:11.54 | Patlabor221 | I wish there was a nick based ban |
| 18:12.00 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 18:12.04 | Jormungandr | but he'd get around it. |
| 18:12.15 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 18:12.18 | Jormungandr | I could ban all of swbell. |
| 18:12.19 | Patlabor221 | but would be more tools |
| 18:12.32 | Jormungandr | I wonder how many valid players that would effect. |
| 18:13.00 | Patlabor221 | there has to be like a 64 or 128 IP block his CO uses |
| 18:13.06 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:13.20 | Jormungandr | they also don't seem contiguous. |
| 18:13.26 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 18:13.35 | Patlabor221 | must have multiple dialups |
| 18:13.46 | Patlabor221 | or multiple dialup centers |
| 18:13.51 | Jormungandr | if it was as simple as doing 65.71.*, I'd have no problem. |
| 18:13.54 | Jormungandr | he's on DSL |
| 18:14.08 | Jormungandr | if you could ban on dns names, I'd have him. |
| 18:14.13 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, wonder how he gets disjunt IPS then |
| 18:14.23 | Jormungandr | log off and retrain. |
| 18:14.29 | Jormungandr | unless he is an employee |
| 18:14.33 | Jormungandr | or something like that. |
| 18:14.49 | Patlabor221 | still I would think a CO would have a conjunct block |
| 18:14.53 | Jormungandr | I'd seriously pursue this if I had good logs. |
| 18:14.57 | Patlabor221 | and with DSL he only has that one CO |
| 18:15.00 | larsl | I doubt he's older than 12. |
| 18:15.17 | Jormungandr | then his parents can kick his ass for causing them to loose their internet connection. |
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| 18:25.37 | larsl | Jormungandr: Would something like this work? |
| 18:25.44 | larsl | bin/bzfs -c -d -d | awk '{printf "%s %s\n", strftime("%b %d, %H:%M:%S: "), $0}' |
| 18:25.53 | larsl | With your own server options, of course. |
| 18:28.35 | Patlabor221 | what is awk? |
| 18:28.43 | larsl | A text processing tool. |
| 18:28.51 | Patlabor221 | neat |
| 18:28.58 | larsl | Good for simple shell script hacks. |
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| 18:33.20 | larsl | Nothing new in CVS since the 16th. |
| 18:33.29 | Patlabor221 | and people wonder why they are baned for no reason by people named "Bukkake" |
| 18:41.29 | bzdougg | whats that mean? |
| 18:43.03 | Jormungandr | larzl, I'm just using 1 -d, but probably. |
| 18:43.33 | Jormungandr | one problem is that I am running bzfs in a chroot. |
| 18:43.47 | larsl | Ah... you need to copy the programs. =) |
| 18:43.52 | Jormungandr | I could do a tail -f logfile.txt | awk, etc. |
| 18:44.47 | larsl | Every time the logfile is changed? |
| 18:45.12 | Jormungandr | continually |
| 18:45.16 | Jormungandr | tail -f |
| 18:45.36 | larsl | Ah. |
| 18:46.18 | Jormungandr | doug, you are too young to know what bukkake is. |
| 18:46.20 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 18:47.02 | bzdougg | baka |
| 18:52.20 | Patlabor221 | doug you don't want to know what it is |
| 18:52.25 | Patlabor221 | hasn much nastyness |
| 18:52.28 | bzdougg | ah |
| 18:56.27 | Jormungandr | do a web search if you really think you need to know. |
| 18:57.07 | Jormungandr | lunch is a little late. |
| 18:57.27 | bzdougg | its only 11:57 right? |
| 18:57.50 | Jormungandr | yes, but lunch truck is normally here at 11:30 |
| 18:57.58 | bzdougg | ah |
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| 19:03.41 | Jormungandr | hi tim |
| 19:04.08 | TimRiker | hey all. hectic packin' goin' on here. |
| 19:04.23 | Jormungandr | sounds like fun. |
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| 19:12.00 | insect_abdomen | howdy |
| 19:13.37 | insect_abdomen | im hungry |
| 19:13.41 | insect_abdomen | damn |
| 19:19.47 | larsl | TimRiker: Do you think it would be OK to remove all score keeping in the client (for the next version after g2) ? |
| 19:20.30 | larsl | I'd like to add an option for ignoring kills in CTF games, but the client still counts them in the score. |
| 19:20.31 | Patlabor221 | wow RH9 is coming out allready? |
| 19:20.39 | larsl | Patlabor221: Really? |
| 19:20.54 | larsl | They have to keep up with Mandrake. =) |
| 19:20.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 19:21.07 | Patlabor221 | isn't Redhat just a modified version of mandrake or something like that? |
| 19:21.26 | larsl | Mandrake started as a modified RedHat, but they are more different now. |
| 19:21.31 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 19:21.32 | Patlabor221 | that's it |
| 19:21.54 | larsl | They claimed to be compatible with RH packages, but I don't think they are now. |
| 19:22.03 | Patlabor221 | yeah syas that rhn subscrbers can get the RH9 ISOs starting today. |
| 19:22.22 | larsl | I suppose the next Mandrake after 9.1 will be Mandrake 10 then. =) |
| 19:22.42 | larsl | Or Mandrake X. |
| 19:23.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh no it's not this week it's next week |
| 19:23.46 | Patlabor221 | thought I lost a week there for a bit |
| 19:47.29 | Jormungandr | maybe I'll d/l rh9 isos tonite. |
| 20:04.23 | Jormungandr | well, next week, then. :) |
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| 20:42.36 | insect_abdomen | lo |
| 20:53.55 | ak|ra | hi |
| 20:54.45 | Cell | \op Cell |
| 20:54.49 | Cell | ups |
| 20:55.38 | larsl | We really need to do something about people rejoining all the time to get back to the base when an enemy is there. |
| 20:55.55 | Patlabor221 | what do you sugest? |
| 20:56.03 | larsl | How about spawning new tanks away from the base, like killed tanks? |
| 20:56.42 | Patlabor221 | could track the IP of the person and callsign, then if they come back in a certan time, respawn them where there last were :) |
| 20:56.55 | Cell | IMHO that is minimalism that nobody really needs |
| 20:57.16 | Patlabor221 | cell your H is not O |
| 20:57.26 | Patlabor221 | or your O is not H |
| 20:57.30 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 20:57.31 | Cell | ah |
| 20:58.02 | larsl | That's another option. More complicated, though. =) |
| 20:58.26 | Patlabor221 | or don't actualy log out and log in, if some data didn't change. |
| 20:58.30 | Cell | perestroika |
| 20:59.08 | larsl | That's an idea... keep the player slot, and don't change the data until it's needed by another new player. |
| 20:59.21 | Patlabor221 | or let it time out |
| 20:59.34 | Cell | all bread is eaten up and the stores are closed |
| 20:59.34 | Patlabor221 | why do we need slots anyway |
| 20:59.47 | Patlabor221 | why not make it just a list |
| 21:00.33 | Patlabor221 | then when people log out just put there data into a temp "limbo" list |
| 21:00.45 | Cell | yeah |
| 21:00.47 | Patlabor221 | then if they rejoin in a certan time, they get there stuff back |
| 21:00.53 | Cell | limbo dance |
| 21:01.02 | Patlabor221 | would help people who also go lag dead |
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| 21:01.16 | larsl | Would be good if you got kicked for temporary lag. |
| 21:01.25 | Patlabor221 | zactly |
| 21:01.58 | Cell | someone knows cg? |
| 21:02.13 | Patlabor221 | nvidia does |
| 21:02.21 | Cell | yeah i mean someone of you |
| 21:02.45 | Patlabor221 | what do you want to do with it? |
| 21:02.46 | ak|ra | jhehe |
| 21:02.50 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: :)) |
| 21:02.55 | Cell | fixed fuction pipeline |
| 21:02.55 | larsl | We wouldn't need to check the timeout every iteration of the main loop, it would be enough to compare the times when the player logged in again and reset the score if a long time has passed. |
| 21:03.12 | larsl | And remove entries when they take up too much space. |
| 21:03.23 | Patlabor221 | I think the app should have a timed clean up pass anyway |
| 21:03.28 | Patlabor221 | like every sec or soo |
| 21:03.44 | Patlabor221 | to check for alll kinds of housekeeping things |
| 21:03.51 | larsl | Dead flags, for example. |
| 21:03.52 | Patlabor221 | ram is cheap too |
| 21:03.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:04.26 | larsl | Although it might be better to fix the bug that causes them instead. =) |
| 21:05.20 | Cell | how can i multiply a matrix with another one with one instruction? |
| 21:05.42 | Cell | can vc do that? |
| 21:05.58 | Cell | cg does |
| 21:06.39 | Cell | gurgle |
| 21:07.07 | Jormungandr | a friend sent me an article about his sister, and her husband stationed in Iraq. I remember her when she wasn't even in high school yet. :( |
| 21:08.00 | Jormungandr | now she's 20 and in the marines. her husband is navy. |
| 21:08.06 | Cell | i need some bread now |
| 21:09.27 | ak|ra | Cell: read the cg - specs |
| 21:09.36 | Cell | ok |
| 21:09.43 | ak|ra | Cell: and download the sdk from nvidia .. they have tons of material |
| 21:09.46 | ak|ra | and example code |
| 21:10.03 | Cell | ah but too large |
| 21:10.12 | Patlabor221 | cell register to be a developer |
| 21:10.17 | Patlabor221 | then you get all the cool stuff |
| 21:10.25 | ak|ra | too large? |
| 21:10.33 | ak|ra | you own a 512 mb harddisk dont you? :)) |
| 21:10.34 | Cell | to big to download |
| 21:10.39 | ak|ra | .) |
| 21:10.43 | Patlabor221 | he just want's the easy way, just like everythign else |
| 21:10.44 | ak|ra | dsl? |
| 21:10.49 | Cell | yeah |
| 21:10.58 | ak|ra | then its not to big babe |
| 21:10.59 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:11.06 | Cell | 30 min |
| 21:11.11 | Cell | too long |
| 21:11.13 | ak|ra | mathias@alpha SDK $ du -sh |
| 21:11.14 | ak|ra | 353M . |
| 21:11.19 | ak|ra | just 350 megs :) |
| 21:11.24 | Patlabor221 | that's tiny |
| 21:11.41 | ak|ra | Cell: start the download and go get some food |
| 21:12.03 | Cell | i have no money |
| 21:13.05 | ak|ra | if you found some its done :) |
| 21:13.09 | ak|ra | :) |
| 21:13.19 | ak|ra | cell you should stop joking around :) |
| 21:13.25 | ak|ra | so ..i freeze my pekwm |
| 21:13.31 | ak|ra | fine .. well done akira |
| 21:13.33 | ak|ra | damnit |
| 21:14.12 | Cell | but i have a canister of oil here cold pressed |
| 21:14.30 | Cell | but i would need some bread |
| 21:14.46 | Cell | because pure oil alone sucks big time |
| 21:15.15 | ak|ra | yep |
| 21:15.22 | ak|ra | und was dir noch fehlt ist tomate und schafskaese |
| 21:15.52 | Cell | no i dont eat cheese i get very big ache of t |
| 21:15.54 | Cell | it |
| 21:19.13 | Cell | i have improved my 3d grid code from 1000 lines of code too 100 |
| 21:19.47 | Cell | due to another idea |
| 21:20.50 | Cell | next i need a special form of extrusion |
| 21:21.00 | Cell | polygon extrusion |
| 21:21.55 | Cell | i mark a set of polygons of a mesh(mostly this marked polygons are damaged areas of a 3d scan of a real worl damaged object) |
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| 21:22.26 | Cell | then i calc the average normal of the selected polygons |
| 21:22.46 | Cell | and then i want to extrude the selected polys along that normal |
| 21:22.51 | Cell | sounds easy |
| 21:22.53 | Cell | but |
| 21:23.28 | Cell | the extrusion should weld with the unselected polygons |
| 21:24.12 | Cell | during extrusion |
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| 21:25.25 | Cell | that is the shape should be reconstructed by extrusion like a wound is reconstructed first roughly by a blood crust |
| 21:26.42 | Cell | another task that is more easy is to make filters |
| 21:28.17 | Cell | filters help to move a range of polygons that are within the filter(magnet or force) in a special way |
| 21:30.13 | Cell | the special way is descripbed by a fileter fucntio like f(x,y,z) = exp(-x*x-y*y-z*z), you could imagine f as a force or velocity function |
| 21:30.52 | Cell | but that is a rather primitive function so mostly it is a more coplicated filter function |
| 21:31.31 | Patlabor221 | m00 |
| 21:31.54 | Cell | filters can quickly help to shape a polygon model that has many polys |
| 21:32.00 | Cell | in an interactive way |
| 21:32.34 | Cell | like subdivision surfaces, but better, cause subdivision surfaces work the other way |
| 21:33.01 | Noodleman_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:35.12 | Patlabor221 | w00 |
| 21:35.37 | Cell | i also want to create a geometry image of a high res 3d object as described by Hugues Hoppe, as we have a great 2d image manipulation lib here |
| 21:37.53 | Patlabor221 | m000000000000000000000000000ff |
| 21:38.34 | Patlabor221 | proalbably |
| 21:38.35 | Cell | we have a great contour and edge detection operator |
| 21:38.38 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 21:38.46 | Noodleman_ | http://archive.salon.com/tech/view/2000/10/16/auerbach/print.html |
| 21:38.56 | Patlabor221 | since that was a moof |
| 21:38.59 | Noodleman_ | go down to the part about the hushaphone |
| 21:39.29 | Patlabor221 | noodle wana crit my new logo? |
| 21:39.38 | Noodleman_ | sure |
| 21:39.39 | Noodleman_ | url? |
| 21:39.42 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/Screamers/ |
| 21:40.14 | Noodleman_ | hehe, you used my tagline :-) |
| 21:40.16 | Noodleman_ | it's good |
| 21:41.25 | Patlabor221 | of course I did, it was good :) |
| 21:43.32 | Noodleman_ | i was just mostly being facetious :-) |
| 21:46.33 | Cell | is screamers gpl? |
| 21:46.46 | bzdougg | HAHAHAHAA |
| 21:46.48 | bzdougg | er |
| 21:48.57 | Noodleman_ | bzdougg thinks he's funny |
| 21:49.14 | bzdougg | I do? |
| 21:49.55 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 21:50.08 | Noodleman_ | s/funny/screwed/g |
| 21:50.20 | bzdougg | lol |
| 21:51.45 | Noodleman_ | does anyone know of any hardware devices that decode g.723.1? |
| 21:51.54 | bzdougg | whats dat? |
| 21:52.08 | Noodleman_ | ~dict g.723.1 |
| 21:52.22 | bzdougg | I see |
| 21:52.27 | Noodleman_ | it's a voice codec used for voip |
| 21:52.34 | bzdougg | ah |
| 21:52.35 | Noodleman_ | it's proprietary, tho |
| 21:52.39 | bzdougg | oh |
| 21:52.45 | bzdougg | speex :) |
| 21:52.56 | Noodleman_ | can't use it with gnomemeeting or asterisk |
| 21:53.07 | Noodleman_ | speex doesn't work with netmeeting, i'm afraid |
| 21:53.12 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 21:53.16 | bzdougg | BUMMER DOOD |
| 21:53.21 | bzdougg | :P |
| 21:54.08 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 21:54.16 | bzdougg | I thought you WHERE the IS dept |
| 21:54.18 | Noodleman_ | postal worker syndrome? |
| 21:55.27 | Cell | how the hell, the stenicl buffer |
| 21:55.30 | Patlabor221 | I am not the oficail IS dept |
| 21:55.35 | bzdougg | oh |
| 21:55.58 | Patlabor221 | they sent computers to our huge trade show with the standard WIndows XP video drivers |
| 21:56.05 | bzdougg | LOL |
| 21:56.08 | Cell | could not render coplanar polys |
| 21:56.10 | Patlabor221 | knowing damn well that we needed to show GL stuff |
| 21:56.12 | Noodleman_ | duuuuuuuuuhhhhh |
| 21:56.17 | Patlabor221 | so I get a call from the presedent |
| 21:56.22 | bzdougg | ooh |
| 21:56.22 | Patlabor221 | saying "it's running slow" |
| 21:56.22 | Noodleman_ | doi doi doi doi doi |
| 21:56.43 | Patlabor221 | bug time |
| 21:56.43 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: wat da tell 'im |
| 21:56.55 | Noodleman_ | you've got some idi8's working there eh? |
| 21:56.57 | Noodleman_ | :-) |
| 21:57.01 | Patlabor221 | big time |
| 21:57.13 | Noodleman_ | i got idi8 from my sister |
| 21:57.18 | Patlabor221 | tho he is the only one in the "department" |
| 21:57.24 | Noodleman_ | i know it's not pronounced that way :-P |
| 21:57.27 | bzdougg | haha |
| 21:57.31 | Patlabor221 | it's sould be iD10t |
| 21:57.48 | Noodleman_ | idi8 sounds funnier |
| 21:57.51 | bzdougg | lol |
| 21:57.51 | Noodleman_ | say it |
| 21:57.52 | Cell | i want to draw lines over polys without using polygon offset, how does that work agin with the stencil buffer? |
| 21:58.43 | Patlabor221 | render to stencel, then render with a stencel XOr again |
| 21:58.47 | Patlabor221 | it's 3 passes |
| 21:59.03 | Cell | 3 passes ah, got to think about that |
| 21:59.27 | Patlabor221 | this is why poly offset is good |
| 22:00.13 | Cell | but poly offset has big disadvantages, it still produces artifacts |
| 22:00.21 | Patlabor221 | then 3 pass it |
| 22:00.43 | Patlabor221 | modern cards have fill rate up the ass |
| 22:01.26 | bzdougg | bah, your not supposed to do that |
| 22:01.39 | Noodleman_ | collateral damage :-) |
| 22:01.58 | Patlabor221 | fall? |
| 22:02.02 | Patlabor221 | things don't fall up |
| 22:02.17 | Patlabor221 | don't know what ortilery is do you? |
| 22:02.25 | bzdougg | nope |
| 22:02.34 | Patlabor221 | orbital artilery |
| 22:02.40 | bzdougg | ah |
| 22:02.51 | Patlabor221 | droping toyotas from geosync |
| 22:03.25 | bzdougg | hmm, sounds cool |
| 22:03.46 | Cell | an option:choose blood color :) |
| 22:04.01 | Patlabor221 | cys you can't have red blood in germany |
| 22:04.08 | bzdougg | too much beer |
| 22:04.11 | Cell | exactly |
| 22:04.11 | Patlabor221 | gets you all rilled up |
| 22:04.12 | Jormungandr | kinda like warships that can launch a ballistic missile the size of a volkswagen about 20 miles and hit within the space of about a football field. |
| 22:04.12 | bzdougg | its brown |
| 22:04.25 | Cell | blood i green |
| 22:04.25 | bzdougg | Jormungandr: yea |
| 22:04.28 | Cell | is green |
| 22:06.09 | Cell | the tanks should leave a blood pool after they die |
| 22:06.31 | Patlabor221 | no they it could not be used in Germany |
| 22:06.57 | Cell | gurgle |
| 22:08.02 | Cell | Ka-me-ha-me-ha:-------------------------------><bzdougg> |
| 22:08.28 | Patlabor221 | took that long to grunt it up? |
| 22:10.02 | bzdougg | too bad I dont run off enrgy |
| 22:10.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah he rusn of beets |
| 22:11.22 | Patlabor221 | proabably |
| 22:11.43 | Patlabor221 | I need more CPUs |
| 22:11.53 | Cell | for what? |
| 22:11.57 | bzdougg | a puter |
| 22:11.59 | bzdougg | I think |
| 22:12.00 | Patlabor221 | more processes |
| 22:12.18 | Patlabor221 | compresing data files takes a lot |
| 22:12.22 | bzdougg | but you can use them for paper weights |
| 22:12.38 | Cell | ah, converting dvd to something like mp3 |
| 22:12.47 | Cell | only for films he? |
| 22:12.49 | bzdougg | um |
| 22:12.54 | bzdougg | dvd>mp3? |
| 22:12.59 | bzdougg | hows dat work? |
| 22:13.07 | Cell | donno |
| 22:13.13 | Patlabor221 | mp3? |
| 22:13.25 | Patlabor221 | one is video and audio, the other is audio |
| 22:13.33 | Cell | dvd to "something" like mp3 |
| 22:13.34 | Patlabor221 | units don't match |
| 22:13.46 | Noodleman_ | bzdougg is trying to speak mock-gullah |
| 22:13.50 | bzdougg | something like mp3 wouldnt work either |
| 22:13.55 | Cell | lossy compression with good quality |
| 22:13.58 | Patlabor221 | dvd to AVI |
| 22:14.00 | Patlabor221 | that woudl work |
| 22:14.01 | Cell | no |
| 22:14.03 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:14.18 | bzdougg | Noodleman: make me an IRC client that can auto translate all this stuff :) |
| 22:14.25 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 22:14.26 | Cell | same principle as with mp3 |
| 22:14.39 | Patlabor221 | except not using wavelets |
| 22:14.47 | Noodleman_ | bzdougg: you figure out the regexp's, and i'll put it into noodlebot |
| 22:14.49 | Patlabor221 | and have multiple sctreams |
| 22:14.57 | bzdougg | Noodleman_: that what? |
| 22:14.59 | Patlabor221 | you know all the important stuff |
| 22:15.04 | Noodleman_ | ~dict regexp |
| 22:15.29 | bzdougg | I dont want to figure out the PD regexp-handling package |
| 22:15.46 | prot-home | mmm...multiple streams...thats why ogm is so cool |
| 22:15.46 | Cell | try c# regex classes |
| 22:16.26 | Cell | need deep sleep |
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| 22:16.33 | bzdougg | YAY1 |
| 22:16.37 | Patlabor221 | huzah |
| 22:16.49 | Noodleman_ | and we'll party like it's 1699! |
| 22:16.57 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 22:17.00 | bzdougg | 1699? |
| 22:17.11 | Noodleman_ | weird al's 'amish paradise' |
| 22:17.11 | bzdougg | how about 2453. |
| 22:17.15 | bzdougg | lol |
| 22:17.23 | Noodleman_ | it's really funny |
| 22:17.36 | bzdougg | haha |
| 22:17.38 | bzdougg | download? |
| 22:17.41 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 22:17.48 | bzdougg | oops, thats illegal |
| 22:17.54 | Noodleman_ | 'a local boy kicked my butt last week; i just smiled at him, and turned the other cheek' |
| 22:18.17 | bzdougg | Patlabor221: what world? |
| 22:18.28 | Noodleman_ | he's probably one of those aol dropouts :-D |
| 22:18.40 | bzdougg | lol |
| 22:18.57 | Patlabor221 | how can you be a home school dropout? |
| 22:18.59 | Noodleman_ | lol |
| 22:19.03 | bzdougg | 99 AOL cds and a book on how to use them |
| 22:22.24 | Noodleman_ | http://www.com-www.com/weirdal/amishparadise.html |
| 22:23.07 | bzdougg | lol |
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| 22:44.21 | Noodleman_ | m00f |
| 22:44.43 | prot-home | i agree |
| 22:44.50 | Noodleman_ | hehe |
| 22:46.28 | bzdougg | woo |
| 22:46.41 | bzdougg | a cog says that |
| 22:46.51 | Noodleman_ | cat + dog? |
| 22:47.12 | bzdougg | cow + dog |
| 22:47.20 | Noodleman_ | haha |
| 22:48.34 | prot-home | yay for a symphony of the carbonation of my beverage and the sound of lots of data copying |
| 22:50.53 | Noodleman_ | did bzdougg telepathically shake your soda? |
| 22:50.59 | Noodleman_ | bzdougg: shame on you |
| 22:53.58 | Noodleman_ | frs is r33tz0rz |
| 23:05.31 | Noodleman_ | did anyone else take a few years beofre they noticed that the codenames for the debian releases are all toy story characters? |
| 23:05.54 | prot-home | heh |
| 23:05.54 | bzdougg | hmm |
| 23:05.57 | bzdougg | they are? |
| 23:06.10 | bzdougg | I know dooy |
| 23:06.12 | bzdougg | woody |
| 23:06.37 | Noodleman_ | http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 23:06.52 | bzdougg | http://www.geocrawler.com/archives/3/199/2001/1/0/5068433/ |
| 23:07.03 | bzdougg | haha |
| 23:07.46 | bzdougg | ~dict ROTFLBTCASTCIIHO |
| 23:07.59 | Noodleman_ | what's it stand for? |
| 23:08.05 | bzdougg | dunno |
| 23:08.52 | bzdougg | Rolling On The Floor, Laughing, Biting The Carpet And Scaring The Cat If I Had One |
| 23:11.33 | Noodleman_ | i wish i had a stuffed sid to set on my debian unstable box :-) |
