irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030309

`00:01.39`	`fiberchunks_`	`goody -- seems like everything's kosher now`
`00:01.50`	`fiberchunks_`	`I will be killing my server tonight`
`00:02.04`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`00:03.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm making a post telling people they may have to log in again, and that they may have to blow out there cookies and/or cache`
`00:04.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`also -- just as a guideline for you -- my page gen times usually averaged around .7 seconds -- to you it averages around 1 second (for the main page)`
`00:04.44`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm`
`00:04.51`	`Patlabor221`	`well your system is problaby faster`
`00:04.59`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm gonna put some more ram in it`
`00:05.03`	`Patlabor221`	`don't think it has much`
`00:05.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`what's it running on now?`
`00:05.34`	`fiberchunks_`	`proc / RAM, etc`
`00:05.44`	`Patlabor221`	`P2 450`
`00:05.50`	`Patlabor221`	`256 megs of ram I think`
`00:06.08`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah yeah -- I was running on a athlon XP 2100 with 1 G ram`
`00:06.17`	`Patlabor221`	`bit faster there`
`00:06.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`geeeeeeeeeeesh why am i laggen`
`00:06.25`	`Patlabor221`	`I have a Celly 1.3 gigger`
`00:06.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`usaly have 83 ms`
`00:06.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that I can pop in there`
`00:06.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`have 600 now :D`
`00:06.37`	`fiberchunks_`	`yeah -- I think for the gzip compression it's really horsepower intensive`
`00:06.45`	`fiberchunks_`	`as opposed to RAM intensive`
`00:06.48`	`Patlabor221`	`then I'll get it updated`
`00:06.52`	`Patlabor221`	`with the new CPU`
`00:06.54`	`Patlabor221`	`that should help`
`00:07.01`	`Patlabor221`	`and get the buss up to 133`
`00:07.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`yeah - you're FSB will contribute a little to speed increases too, I would wager`
`00:08.28`	`fiberchunks_`	`stop asking -- it happens faster that way :)`
`00:08.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`fiberchunks_: talking to me :D`
`00:09.16`	`Patlabor221`	`tea, what specific forum?`
`00:09.23`	`Patlabor221`	`bzbb has like 30 of them`
`00:09.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ehm`
`00:09.30`	`stibnite`	`Patlabor221: if you want to put the forums on my NYC box while you do your hardware upgrades (or even permanently), just say the word. I'd gladly donate the service.`
`00:09.55`	`Patlabor221`	`oh I'll do the hardware update tomorow`
`00:09.59`	`Patlabor221`	`it's working now just fine`
`00:10.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Policing maby?`
`00:10.18`	`Patlabor221`	`just 0.3 sec slower per page then fibers machine`
`00:10.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`leagues players .. as i play too much bz :D`
`00:10.25`	`stibnite`	`k, standing offer, should anything happen. :D`
`00:10.29`	`Patlabor221`	`thanks tho`
`00:10.36`	`Patlabor221`	`allways good to have backups :)`
`00:10.48`	`Patlabor221`	`got you and jorm now as backups`
`00:10.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patlabor221: Leagues , Players , Policing maybe .... im off ducati`
`00:11.02`	`Patlabor221`	`tea, why do you want to be a moderator?`
`00:11.20`	`TimRiker`	`larsl: then that would be seden or perhaps sveden?`
`00:11.54`	`larsl`	`TimRiker: Sverige. =)`
`00:12.04`	`TimRiker`	`ah. ;-)`
`00:12.16`	`larsl`	`I don't know where the English name comes from.`
`00:12.47`	`TimRiker`	`who knows... well dinner.`
`00:13.06`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh yeah food`
`00:13.11`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what I forgot today`
`00:13.16`	`Patlabor221`	`no wonder hands are shaking`
`00:13.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patlabor221: play too much bz ... got mostly to do with players and leagues ..... and i like to be helpfull :D`
`00:15.08`	`Patlabor221`	`do you know what being a moderator entails?`
`00:15.25`	`fiberchunks_`	`as a general rule --`
`00:15.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i thinkso , :o)`
`00:16.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`I have never made a person a mod unless: 1) they are responsible for one of the forums on the board, and / or 2) they own / admin a server`
`00:16.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`stay by the topic , and always be help full , always write news post to the topic, always be helpfull, always stay social , always behave normal`
`00:16.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`in my opinion`
`00:17.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`and 3) they absolutely follow the guidelines I have made for mods (which are quite lax imho)`
`00:18.17`	`Patlabor221`	`hell I realealy have to move or edit a post nowadats`
`00:18.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the guidlines are great , 1) is ok .... 2) working on it`
`00:18.37`	`Patlabor221`	`mostly just moving crap outa general into the right forum`
`00:18.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`right -- somehow the forum just happened that way`
`00:18.55`	`fiberchunks_`	`ppl tend to be intelligent in this community ;)`
`00:19.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`00:19.07`	`Patlabor221`	`well somee`
`00:19.16`	`Patlabor221`	`you see the "first post" on stats?`
`00:19.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`I was just going to qualify that ;)`
`00:19.21`	`fiberchunks_`	`no`
`00:19.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`stats is back up?`
`00:19.44`	`Patlabor221`	`sorta`
`00:19.46`	`Patlabor221`	`kinda`
`00:20.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the first one is the intellegent one ;o)`
`00:20.53`	`Patlabor221`	`it's like it had a sex change and isn't quite comfortable`
`00:21.02`	`fiberchunks_`	`jeezus -- how odd`
`00:23.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Tranforming electronic Andriod\| Trained for repair and Efficent Exploration`
`00:25.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`= ............ ???!???`
`00:26.18`	`Patlabor221`	`welll tea I don't realy need any more mods now, but if like the leauge stuff starts to get busy I will keep you in mind,`
`00:26.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I do know you play a lot of leauge stuff`
`00:26.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`00:26.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`check out http://www.bzflag.org/league`
`00:26.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How long gone, I was?`
`00:26.53`	`Patlabor221`	`well at least you ask about ducati a lot`
`00:27.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`go to Team`
`00:27.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How long was I gone?`
`00:27.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`look at "The Legendary ZeeBrothers"`
`00:27.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh yeah -- we should talk to valoche and try to get the league site synched up with the forum site`
`00:27.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`tell me how much matches the played :o)`
`00:27.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i play most of my time on ducati`
`00:27.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`matches?! FIRE!! AWWW!!!`
`00:27.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`00:27.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff`
`00:27.59`	`Patlabor221`	`it dosn't say`
`00:28.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yes creeper`
`00:28.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`everyday ... turkey moongroup and hashmark i play aswell ... and xmission`
`00:28.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How do I start a server from a batch file?`
`00:28.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patlabor221: klick teams then see beside right`
`00:28.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nsame, excluding xmission most of the time ;)`
`00:28.33`	`Patlabor221`	`put all that suff that goes in the command line in a file called RunMyAss.bat`
`00:28.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`SAme wording? lol`
`00:28.51`	`Patlabor221`	`and put that file in the folder with bzfs.exe`
`00:28.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have a .bat file`
`00:28.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and run it`
`00:28.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`(51)`
`00:29.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it MUST be called that`
`00:29.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How bout on my desktop?`
`00:29.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`most played team :)`
`00:29.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`From that shortcut?`
`00:29.36`	`Patlabor221`	`tea, that's what I had thought, it's just that there isn't much moding need`
`00:29.42`	`Patlabor221`	`from the batch file just run it`
`00:29.47`	`Patlabor221`	`double kick it`
`00:29.50`	`Patlabor221`	`make it go`
`00:29.52`	`Patlabor221`	`engage`
`00:30.00`	`Patlabor221`	`onward to infianitum`
`00:30.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`double-click the .bat file?`
`00:30.06`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`00:30.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OK`
`00:30.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patlabor221: want to know my favourte flag :D`
`00:30.41`	`Patlabor221`	`the godzilla flag?`
`00:30.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sorta`
`00:31.15`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`that was tv this evening`
`00:31.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`GodZilla :D`
`00:31.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`its only 1:30 here`
`00:31.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`am`
`00:32.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Do I have to specify a port?`
`00:32.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Aw well`
`00:32.29`	`*** join/#bzflag faz___ (~faz@M288P021.dipool.highway.telekom.at)`
`00:32.30`	`Patlabor221`	`it should use the default on 5155`
`00:32.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`00:32.47`	`fiberchunks_`	`good enough -- I'm gonna boogie for a while -- speak at ya tomorrow`
`00:32.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`So, is it right like this?...`
`00:32.54`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya man`
`00:33.03`	`fiberchunks_`	`Peace`
`00:33.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`fiberchunks_: bye bye`
`00:33.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs -p 5156 -pr 5157 -requiredudp -public "New Server (testing)! Now Playing, "New Castle"" -publicaddr "24.220.78.178" -srvmsg "New Castle, by [STC] creeperz" -synctime -lagwarn 450 -lagdrop 4 -tk -tkkr 4 -admsg "No cheating, no swearing... Kids play here too. Lets keep it clean." -ms 10 passwd "PASSWORD" +f good -j -ms 8 +r -r -st -100 -sw 1 -fb -a -mp 15 -t +s 10 -s 30 -sa -world "homesweethome.map"`
`00:33.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`?`
`00:34.07`	`fiberchunks_`	`Patlabor221: oy - just a note -- still saying it's powered by 2.0.3`
`00:34.17`	`fiberchunks_`	`most likely due to old db backup`
`00:34.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff?`
`00:34.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't thik you can put quotes in your quoted public message`
`00:34.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ok`
`00:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`+f good?`
`00:35.03`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't tink you need that ether`
`00:35.07`	`Patlabor221`	`since you have +s`
`00:35.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What's +s?`
`00:35.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I made this from MAC's Java applet`
`00:35.32`	`fiberchunks_`	`wow, that looks uber clean in subsilver -- forgot how nice that was`
`00:35.36`	`Patlabor221`	`add 10 ramdom good flags`
`00:35.39`	`Patlabor221`	`ok then it shoudl work`
`00:35.42`	`fiberchunks_`	`alright - I'm really leaving now :)`
`00:35.52`	`Patlabor221`	`just make sure me will like the long file name on the map`
`00:36.03`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya`
`00:36.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's labeled newcastle`
`00:36.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`oopz`
`00:36.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`homesweethome`
`00:36.36`	`Patlabor221`	`that's more then 8 characters`
`00:36.46`	`Patlabor221`	`your dos based OS may not like it`
`00:37.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok...`
`00:37.22`	`Patlabor221`	`the name will make your OS cry like a little girl`
`00:37.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It always does that!`
`00:38.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`00:38.30`	`Patlabor221`	`put some -d's in there to`
`00:38.34`	`Patlabor221`	`like 4 of them`
`00:38.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs -p 5156 -pr 5157 -requiredudp -public "New Server (testing)! Now Playing, 'New Castle'" -publicaddr "24.220.78.178" -srvmsg "New Castle, by [STC] creeperz" -synctime -lagwarn 450 -lagdrop 4 -tk -tkkr 4 -admsg "No cheating, no swearing... Kids play here too. Lets keep it clean." -ms 10 passwd "PASSWORD" +f good -j -ms 8 +r -r -st -100 -sw 1 -fb -a -mp 15 -t +s 10 -s 30 -sa -world "home.map"`
`00:38.56`	`Patlabor221`	`ok does it work?`
`00:39.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs -p 5156 -pr 5157 -d -d -d -d -requiredudp -public "New Server (testing)! Now Playing, 'New Castle'" -publicaddr "24.220.78.178" -srvmsg "New Castle, by [STC] creeperz" -synctime -lagwarn 450 -lagdrop 4 -tk -tkkr 4 -admsg "No cheating, no swearing... Kids play here too. Lets keep it clean." -ms 10 passwd "PASSWORD" +f good -j -ms 8 +r -r -st -100 -sw 1 -fb -a -mp 15 -t +s 10 -s 30 -sa -world "home.map"`
`00:39.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Bad command or file name"`
`00:39.37`	`Patlabor221`	`where did you put it?`
`00:39.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Put what?`
`00:39.50`	`Patlabor221`	`the batch file?`
`00:39.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Desktop`
`00:40.13`	`Patlabor221`	`no you have to put it in the folder that has bzfs.exe`
`00:40.20`	`Patlabor221`	`how else will it know what to run`
`00:40.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, the REAL one?`
`00:40.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I thought you meant the shortcut!`
`00:40.45`	`Patlabor221`	`of course the real one`
`00:40.53`	`Patlabor221`	`the shortcut is a shortcut`
`00:40.59`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't need the shortcut`
`00:41.05`	`Patlabor221`	`since your doing a batch`
`00:41.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok...`
`00:41.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`00:42.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!! Won't work`
`00:42.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`00:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`trogdor was a man`
`00:46.00`	`Patlabor221`	`ok am an realy needing some food now`
`00:46.05`	`Patlabor221`	`this means I must be going`
`00:46.14`	`Patlabor221`	`the food godess call me`
`00:46.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I must go to her`
`00:46.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`what is -b?`
`00:46.36`	`Patlabor221`	`-burp?`
`00:46.41`	`Patlabor221`	`-ballwho?`
`00:46.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`00:46.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know`
`00:46.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really?`
`00:47.00`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby ctf bases`
`00:47.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`what about -r? Rico?`
`00:47.05`	`Patlabor221`	`would be my guess`
`00:47.08`	`Patlabor221`	`or ballywho`
`00:47.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`what's ballywho?`
`00:47.19`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone needs ballywho`
`00:47.31`	`Patlabor221`	`I dono, just sounds good, and british`
`00:47.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`aw`
`00:47.41`	`Patlabor221`	`like poppycock`
`00:47.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ow`
`00:47.52`	`Patlabor221`	`baybe it meeans bog`
`00:47.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Or Molitof Cocktails?`
`00:48.02`	`Patlabor221`	`no those blow up`
`00:48.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bog?`
`00:48.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and they are russan`
`00:48.08`	`Patlabor221`	`bog`
`00:48.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`00:48.10`	`Patlabor221`	`loo`
`00:48.14`	`Patlabor221`	`WC`
`00:48.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`WC?`
`00:48.34`	`Patlabor221`	`the place where one goes to reilve onese bowel pressure`
`00:48.40`	`Patlabor221`	`the craper`
`00:48.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:48.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I go now`
`00:48.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OOKK`
`00:49.00`	`Patlabor221`	`you make work`
`00:49.04`	`Patlabor221`	`victory or death`
`00:49.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Go eat!`
`00:49.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I am`
`00:49.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Have a Molitof Cocktail while you're at it!`
`01:01.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone how to set the -mp count? It's confusing`
`01:05.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, what's wrong with this...?`
`01:05.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs -ms 10 +s 30 -s 30 -sa -fb -j +r -r -st 4 +f V +f A +f OO +f F +f MG -f GM -f L -f R +f SB +f IB +f ST -f T +f N +f SH +f SR +f SW +f PZ +f G -f JP +f ID +f CL +f CB +f O +f "<-" +f "->" +f M +f B +f JM +f WA -admsg "Please Don't cheat, swear, or be a poor sportsman ;) -creeperz" -fb -j -lagdrop 3 -lagwarn 375 -mo 8 -mps 350 -r +r -requiredudp -sa -sw -world "home.map"`
`01:06.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`n\m`
`01:06.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`01:23.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!!`
`01:23.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is anyone here?!`
`01:23.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bzfs -p 5156 -pr 5157 -requireudp -public "creeperz' Hang-out--Now Playing-Home Sweet Home by creeperz" -publicaddr "24.220.78.178" -lagwarn 350 -lagdrop 3 -tkkr 6 -admsg "No cheating, cursing, and please be a good sportsman ;) -creeperz" -mo 5 -d -d -d -d -passwd "tanker" +f V +f A +f F +f IB +f ST +f T +f N +f SH +f ID +f CL +f CB +f O +f <- +f -> +f M +f B +f JM +f WA -j -ms 10 +r -r -st 4 -sw 1 -fb -a -mp 15 -mo 5 -mts 700 -mps 350`
`01:23.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What is the problem here?!`
`01:24.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`If anyone was listening!`
`01:28.56`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`im off to bed`
`01:29.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`2:30 am here`
`01:29.02`	`*** part/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~trillian@pD9E95230.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`02:03.04`	`[dmp]`	`and again, i sucessfully miss to meet BigBarrel :-\`
`02:08.39`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-77-250.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`02:12.17`	`doughecka`	`'lo Patlabor221`
`02:12.42`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`02:14.15`	`Patlabor221`	`well looks like teh board is a workin`
`02:14.25`	`doughecka`	`yay.`
`02:14.29`	`Patlabor221`	`someone else even registered`
`02:14.36`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:15.03`	`Patlabor221`	`and SubSilver seems to be working nice`
`02:20.55`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~cmclean@bc185197.bendcable.com)`
`02:21.08`	`Noodleman`	`moo`
`02:21.14`	`Patlabor221`	`baa`
`02:26.34`	`doughecka`	`yay`
`02:26.39`	`doughecka`	`er`
`02:26.41`	`doughecka`	`hes gone`
`02:28.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yay?`
`02:28.53`	`Patlabor221`	`we like noodleman`
`02:28.56`	`doughecka`	`noodleman was here...`
`02:29.00`	`Patlabor221`	`I saw`
`02:29.04`	`Patlabor221`	`he mooed`
`02:29.04`	`doughecka`	`I said yay, then I noticed he left`
`02:29.15`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh`
`02:29.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`g2g`
`02:31.03`	`fiberchunks_`	`allo -- good work Patlabor221, working nicely`
`02:31.13`	`doughecka`	`'lo fiberhunks`
`02:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`well have had a couple people with bad cookies`
`02:31.33`	`fiberchunks_`	`figured that`
`02:31.36`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's not too bad`
`02:31.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`coolio`
`02:31.55`	`fiberchunks_`	`man, I forgot how bright subsilver was ;)`
`02:32.07`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah when compared to cobalt`
`02:32.16`	`doughecka`	`whats below subsilver?`
`02:32.25`	`doughecka`	`highgold?`
`02:32.58`	`fiberchunks_`	`subblack`
`02:33.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no subsubsilver`
`02:33.06`	`Patlabor221`	`then bronse`
`02:33.25`	`fiberchunks_`	`subsilver--`
`02:33.26`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`02:33.28`	`fiberchunks_`	`:)`
`02:33.31`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`02:33.42`	`Patlabor221`	`the limit as x aproches subsilver`
`02:34.03`	`fiberchunks_`	`too bad you can't slap formulae into xchat`
`02:34.16`	`doughecka`	`perl plugins`
`02:34.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know why but I like this one`
`02:34.28`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.phpbb.com/styles/styles_demo/index.php?s=38`
`02:34.37`	`Patlabor221`	`put a tank in there`
`02:34.46`	`fiberchunks_`	`please don't let it be chronicles :)`
`02:34.51`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`02:35.03`	`Patlabor221`	`trust me I have no love for chronicles`
`02:35.15`	`Patlabor221`	`but my other board has it as it's defalt :(`
`02:35.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I will be making subchronicles soon`
`02:35.25`	`Patlabor221`	`less wood`
`02:36.07`	`fiberchunks_`	`jacob persson (the guy that wrote most of those templates - cobalt, chronicles, etc) - seems to adore graphics for tables and such`
`02:36.27`	`fiberchunks_`	`I'm not a big fan of it personally - just liked the 'differentness' of cobalt`
`02:36.28`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:36.45`	`Patlabor221`	`well for a online RPG forum chronicles looks fitting`
`02:36.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I just want to tone down the red wood`
`02:37.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I kinda like the sublteness of the table background in it`
`02:37.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`desert storm has an interesting battle tank feel to it`
`02:37.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh my, that is a lot of tan`
`02:37.59`	`Patlabor221`	`"they say beige is very soothing"`
`02:38.13`	`doughecka`	`LOL`
`02:38.22`	`Patlabor221`	`comic book makes brain hurt`
`02:38.51`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`02:39.06`	`Patlabor221`	`wow`
`02:39.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ok not as bad as sunset`
`02:40.39`	`fiberchunks_`	`icecicle's kinda nice`
`02:40.53`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I like that gray`
`02:41.13`	`Patlabor221`	`don't like the positions of the options at the top tho`
`02:41.41`	`Patlabor221`	`fission has to be the most boring one`
`02:42.11`	`fiberchunks_`	`sunset needs to be shot`
`02:42.11`	`doughecka`	`~79.99 - 25%`
`02:42.12`		`79.74`
`02:42.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`how bout appalachia`
`02:43.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I like that but would be nice with the colors fomr icecicle`
`02:43.08`	`TimRikerDinner`	`~79.99 * .75`
`02:43.09`		`59.9925`
`02:43.22`	`fiberchunks_`	`mm hmm`
`02:43.31`	`doughecka`	`TimRiker: cool, thx`
`02:43.49`	`Patlabor221`	`realy we need to just make our own, I was gonna make little tank folder icons`
`02:43.53`	`Patlabor221`	`for subsilver`
`02:44.26`	`fiberchunks_`	`FSclean would be nice if they flip-flopped the category and forum headers -- looks goofy the way they had it`
`02:44.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and maybe change the white of the background to some type of very light gray`
`02:44.48`	`fiberchunks_`	`I would love it if you did that -- I'm not gifted in the creative arena :\`
`02:44.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ehhhh it's almost too gray`
`02:45.06`	`fiberchunks_`	`colors are just the stylesheet though -- not a big deal, imho`
`02:45.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I like the look of the difrent coloer in the dection headers`
`02:45.13`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`02:45.30`	`Patlabor221`	`that that one is totatly bassackwards`
`02:45.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`which FSclean?`
`02:45.45`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`02:45.56`	`fiberchunks_`	`sorry, but what was that sentence above supposed to say?`
`02:46.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ass backwards`
`02:46.31`	`fiberchunks_`	`not that one -- I like the look of the difrent coloer in the dection headers`
`02:46.42`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh my I can't type`
`02:46.48`	`fiberchunks_`	`:)`
`02:47.03`	`Patlabor221`	`I like having a difrent color in the secion headers, fsclean is all gray`
`02:47.08`	`Patlabor221`	`like super low contrast`
`02:47.13`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah -- I dig it`
`02:47.22`	`Patlabor221`	`duko would like lcars`
`02:47.44`	`fiberchunks_`	`aieeeeee! check out greendark`
`02:47.53`	`fiberchunks_`	`hurts my eyes`
`02:47.58`	`Patlabor221`	`ew`
`02:48.02`	`Patlabor221`	`and I like green`
`02:48.14`	`Patlabor221`	`for a green one the best I have seen there is LOTR`
`02:48.32`	`fiberchunks_`	`for a theme one -- I quite like the Last Crusade`
`02:48.54`	`Patlabor221`	`yes that one totaly fits the theme`
`02:49.08`	`Patlabor221`	`it needs the theme song when you load it tho`
`02:49.09`	`doughecka`	`cant this be a user option>`
`02:49.10`	`doughecka`	`?`
`02:49.13`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`02:49.26`	`Patlabor221`	`doug did you not see the new option in bzbb?`
`02:49.31`	`Patlabor221`	`for the new style?`
`02:49.44`	`doughecka`	`and just load everysingle skin? :P`
`02:49.47`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`02:50.10`	`Patlabor221`	`the default is still colbalt ( the blue one), but now you can chose a white one ( subsilver) in your profile.`
`02:50.13`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't load them all`
`02:50.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`true`
`02:50.20`	`Patlabor221`	`there are changes that have to be made`
`02:50.24`	`Patlabor221`	`to each one`
`02:50.24`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:50.31`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`02:50.33`	`Patlabor221`	`since there are mods applied`
`02:50.39`	`Patlabor221`	`but I'm ok to deal with 2`
`02:50.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`you are braver than I ;)`
`02:51.07`	`Patlabor221`	`well I've got the diffs now to see what the hell you did :)`
`02:51.30`	`fiberchunks_`	`heh`
`02:51.36`	`Patlabor221`	`and I have the advatiage of seeing the diff in the final output, not all the back and forth you did when seting it up`
`02:51.48`	`fiberchunks_`	`true`
`02:51.58`	`Patlabor221`	`so it's just make the same changes to each one`
`02:52.04`	`fiberchunks_`	`plus, I'm simply a hack at these sort of things ;)`
`02:52.59`	`fiberchunks_`	`imma look into the file attachment and portal mods (hopefully sometime this week)`
`02:53.08`	`Patlabor221`	`portal?`
`02:53.18`	`fiberchunks_`	`yah -- lemme find it - one minute`
`02:54.35`	`fiberchunks_`	`ignore the silly colors -- dig the features -- http://forums.blizzhackers.com/portal.php?page=1`
`02:55.06`	`Patlabor221`	`I see`
`02:55.10`	`Patlabor221`	`nav stuff`
`02:55.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and the latest posts thing I like`
`02:55.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I like the latest posts, and the top level poll`
`02:55.49`	`Patlabor221`	`don't know about the news and nav stuff`
`02:55.56`	`Patlabor221`	`makes it more then just a fourm`
`02:57.03`	`fiberchunks_`	`well, it does separate the forum from the portal -- but everything on the portal is autogenerated from the forums -- so it's virtually maintenance free`
`02:57.05`	`fiberchunks_`	`which is nice`
`02:57.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`02:57.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I see that part`
`02:57.49`	`Patlabor221`	`can you put the forum in the default view of the portal`
`02:57.56`	`fiberchunks_`	`probably`
`02:58.06`	`fiberchunks_`	`I haven't examined it that far yet`
`02:58.06`	`Patlabor221`	`cus I think the forum shuld be on the main page`
`02:58.18`	`Patlabor221`	`and I wouldn't mind a little global news thing`
`02:58.23`	`Patlabor221`	`but no need for sections`
`02:58.25`	`fiberchunks_`	`I believe that it's simply a matter of redirection`
`02:58.29`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`02:58.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I do like the latest posts and the global poll`
`02:58.54`	`Patlabor221`	`I realy like those`
`02:59.41`	`fiberchunks_`	`there's also a thing for hovering over categories that shows the latest topics`
`02:59.48`	`fiberchunks_`	`which is kinda neat as well`
`02:59.49`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh that is nice`
`03:03.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm making a little moc up`
`03:05.09`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah, nevermind that nutportal -- dig this site (not only the portal, but some of the other features of the site -- like online / offline status, etc <-- this cat does real nice work, imho)`
`03:05.15`	`fiberchunks_`	`http://smartor.is-root.com/portal.php`
`03:07.52`	`fiberchunks_`	`oh man, dig the scrolling 'new topics' thing on the portal -- left side`
`03:08.09`	`doughecka`	`dig?`
`03:08.51`	`doughecka`	`thats what my dad says all the time`
`03:08.55`	`fiberchunks_`	`ah, I was born in the 70's, relax :)`
`03:09.02`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:09.19`	`doughecka`	`my dads older than yoi`
`03:09.31`	`fiberchunks_`	`how's this: check the fresh threads on dis here phat phorum, yo!`
`03:09.46`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:12.36`	`fiberchunks_`	`alrighty -- off to bed -- night all`
`03:12.43`	`doughecka`	`tah tah`
`03:12.46`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya`
`03:13.18`	`Patlabor221`	`oo that one is purdy`
`03:17.00`	`Patlabor221`	`now I could see somthing like this http://www.bakadigital.com/sometin.png`
`03:17.32`	`doughecka`	`cannot find server`
`03:17.46`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/sometin.png`
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`03:17.59`	`Mungo_Frag`	`lo all`
`03:18.02`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`03:18.04`	`doughecka`	`?`
`03:18.06`	`doughecka`	`whats diferent?`
`03:18.10`	`Patlabor221`	`doug that's right from my browser`
`03:18.12`	`Patlabor221`	`nothing`
`03:18.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it works`
`03:18.15`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`03:18.36`	`doughecka`	`works now`
`03:18.54`	`Mungo_Frag`	`can someone tell me why teleporters don't always work as expected when shot into? (seems in the worlds i'm making although i've got 3 teleporters and the links setup correctly my fire doesn't always get teleported as expected`
`03:19.33`	`Patlabor221`	`dono there was some bug fixing recently with lost links, there that may be the problem`
`03:19.50`	`Mungo_Frag`	`ah hmm`
`03:20.09`	`Mungo_Frag`	`Patlabor221 server or clientside?`
`03:20.18`	`Patlabor221`	`client I think`
`03:20.21`	`Mungo_Frag`	`hmm`
`03:20.29`	`Patlabor221`	`server dosn't do ports`
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`03:27.06`	`Patlabor221`	`ok it's resing time`
`03:27.12`	`Patlabor221`	`enought fun for one day`
`03:27.16`	`doughecka`	`lol`
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`07:19.39`	`captain_proton`	`a texan in our mist :)`
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`13:33.38`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`13:33.39`	`Jormungandr`	`cool`
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`13:47.06`	`Jormungandr`	`I had to explain (for the third time this year) why a friend didn't want to use MS Publisher to make web pages.`
`14:14.42`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`14:17.48`	`Jormungandr`	`he used to use it for all his stuff.`
`14:18.07`	`Jormungandr`	`his index.html was 118K, of which about 2 was displayed on the page.`
`14:18.21`	`doughecka`	`yea, I had to convert publisher files to PDF... till he got sent it as a text file`
`14:18.22`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`14:18.23`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`14:18.29`	`Jormungandr`	`he got a person to do his site, and the front page is 6K`
`14:18.45`	`doughecka`	`ugh`
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`14:20.50`	`Jormungandr`	`his new web designer is pretty decent.`
`14:20.55`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`14:21.44`	`Jormungandr`	`he used to do all his sites in Publisher. one of them publisher just changed the majority of the page to one big huge image.`
`14:21.57`	`doughecka`	`HAHAHHAH`
`14:22.06`	`Jormungandr`	`that ones still up (www.nurserotation.com)`
`14:22.23`	`doughecka`	`sheesh`
`14:22.59`	`[dmp]`	`My kernel is killing mysql and apache again :-\|`
`14:24.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`[dmp]: BB is playing BZ agin`
`14:24.32`	`[dmp]`	`i know`
`14:24.48`	`[dmp]`	`saw him yesterday.. he wanted a match, regardless if i were drunk or not :)`
`14:25.29`	`[dmp]`	`but it didnt work out. Him and deadmeat was sharing the same connection, making it impossible to shoot DM :(.`
`14:26.16`	`[dmp]`	`hmm.`
`14:26.16`	`[dmp]`	`Mem: 127516k total, 103916k used, 23600k free, 656k buffers`
`14:26.17`	`[dmp]`	`Swap: 506036k total, 506036k used, 0k free, 11140k cached`
`14:26.23`	`[dmp]`	`Not good :-\|`
`14:27.37`	`doughecka`	`REBOOT TIME!`
`14:27.40`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`14:28.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`14:28.40`	`[dmp]`	`Well, guess i need a new memory stick to put in, if it's gonna be shut down :) Otherwise i dosnt really solve the problem.`
`14:29.44`	`[dmp]`	`Except beers.`
`14:29.52`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`14:30.16`	`Jormungandr`	`ps should be able to tell you what is using memory.`
`14:30.22`	`Jormungandr`	`VSS column`
`14:30.31`	`Jormungandr`	`VSZ that is`
`14:31.08`	`Jormungandr`	`top will give size of process as well.`
`14:31.33`	`[dmp]`	`I was using top.. Seems that mysql uses 7.5 mega for each process it got. 15*7.5. And apache is using 2.6 and got 4 childrens..`
`14:34.05`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah... that's pretty huge.`
`14:35.05`	`[dmp]`	`well, the database is used quite alot, so it figures.`
`14:35.13`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`14:35.19`	`[dmp]`	`so either: kill the ladder or by more memory.. :)`
`14:35.19`	`Jormungandr`	`need more RAM! ;)`
`14:35.34`	`Jormungandr`	`memory is cheap.`
`14:36.07`	`[dmp]`	`I'm moving. Gonna lose money on the sale, i think. So dont wanna spend too much money and stuff i really dont need.`
`14:36.18`	`[dmp]`	`as in "i cant eat RAM"`
`14:36.33`	`[dmp]`	`i wish i didnt have to move :-\`
`14:36.33`	`Jormungandr`	`you could add swap.`
`14:36.42`	`[dmp]`	`hmm`
`14:36.45`	`Jormungandr`	`it'd still be slow`
`14:36.58`	`Jormungandr`	`but at least you wouldn't run out of memory so quick.`
`14:37.04`	`[dmp]`	`the computer isnt loaded at all, currently.`
`14:37.10`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`14:37.26`	`Jormungandr`	`sounds like time to shut down ladder ;)`
`14:37.34`	`[dmp]`	`I got a 4-8-10gb disk somewhere :)`
`14:37.39`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`14:37.40`	`Jormungandr`	`brb.`
`14:40.15`	`Jormungandr`	`back`
`14:53.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello Jormungandr`
`14:53.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:D`
`14:53.27`	`Jormungandr`	`hi`
`14:57.32`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:-\`
`14:57.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:-/`
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`17:45.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducati6`
`17:47.53`	`[dmp]`	`im here`
`17:49.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`want match?`
`17:51.04`	`[dmp]`	`Dont think i got any teammates around`
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`18:23.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
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`18:54.10`	`michaelh20`	`any VB gurus here?`
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`18:59.18`	`ak\|ra`	`hi`
`19:00.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`19:02.31`	`ak\|ra`	`na killer`
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`19:03.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal?`
`19:03.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ak\|ra?`
`19:04.35`	`[dmp]`	`feeling loney :)`
`19:05.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`19:05.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`always`
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`19:05.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Her ihr fetten maulw�rfe !`
`19:06.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm...`
`19:06.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ger eng test`
`19:06.30`	`michaelh2`	`Was sagen Sie?`
`19:06.56`	`ak\|ra`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: -> du sollst dich beim besiegen der moles nich dumm angestellt haben, ist mir zu ohren gekommen`
`19:07.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`lol`
`19:07.19`	`ak\|ra`	`<- me spielt zu hause kein bzflag mehr .. und jetzt ist auch noch mein 19zoller putt :( ich warte wie bloede auf den neuen`
`19:07.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`beim letzten match hab ich versagt und wie`
`19:07.31`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`19:07.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hatte zwar -1 aber trotzdem :D`
`19:07.48`	`michaelh2`	`Mein deutch ist schlect`
`19:07.48`	`ak\|ra`	`ich hatte vorhin mal glorreiche 5 minuten auf dem 5155er ducati mit springen und so`
`19:07.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`-1 is schlecht`
`19:07.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`das macht fun`
`19:08.02`	`michaelh2`	`spassssssssssssssssssss`
`19:08.06`	`ak\|ra`	`wie gehts sonst so=`
`19:08.06`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Wollen den die moles match`
`19:08.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ak\|ra: wenn ich dich sehe gehts mir doch schon viel besser`
`19:08.38`	`michaelh2`	`er sieht Sie gut aus?`
`19:08.59`	`ak\|ra`	`michaelh2: warum schliesst du auf mein geschlecht?`
`19:09.21`	`ak\|ra`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: ich bin grade heme und kann somit net`
`19:09.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ak\|ra: frag mal Ches`
`19:09.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`tank is auch on`
`19:10.01`	`ak\|ra`	`dann zockt doch :)`
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`19:10.04`	`ak\|ra`	`frag selber`
`19:10.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducati6`
`19:10.54`	`michaelh2`	`Spielen Sie Visual Basic 6 ?`
`19:10.57`	`michaelh2`	`:)`
`19:11.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`19:11.12`	`michaelh2`	`ja oder nein?`
`19:13.32`	`ak\|ra`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: da weisste doch, wo die jungs sind :)`
`19:14.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:D`
`19:15.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ak\|ra: von wo hastn du den 19 zoler bestellt`
`19:15.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`auch haben will`
`19:15.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wieviel ... etz`
`19:15.23`	`ak\|ra`	`den 400 euro iiyama bei e-bugs.de`
`19:15.37`	`ak\|ra`	`19 zoll, macht 200 mhz, 130khz vertikal`
`19:15.42`	`ak\|ra`	`flat roehre`
`19:15.59`	`ak\|ra`	`usbhub + sound (sound ist fuern arsch, aber usb -> kann meine mouse besser dran)`
`19:16.17`	`ak\|ra`	`hm30dt oder so`
`19:16.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`19:16.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wo hast du den bestellt?`
`19:18.19`	`ak\|ra`	`kuck erst bei www.geizhals.at/de und dann hat ich den guenstigsten genommen -> www.e-bugs.de`
`19:21.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`24 zoller muhahaha`
`19:21.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`3400 �`
`19:21.36`	`ak\|ra`	`yep :))`
`19:21.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`teilweise sogar 4000`
`19:21.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`aber 19 is perfekkt`
`19:21.56`	`ak\|ra`	`auf jedenfall kannste ja mal bei iiyama.de reinschneien und dir die preise fuer den besagten monitor anschauen`
`19:22.17`	`ak\|ra`	`damit sollte dann auch endlich meine shutterbrille gut funzionieren`
`19:26.17`	`michaelh2`	`sunglasses?`
`19:26.46`	`ak\|ra`	`genau die`
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`19:29.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`match 59999`
`19:30.26`	`michaelh2`	`~sdfkjsdflksjgsgs'lkfw;4eos`
`19:30.33`	`michaelh2`	`~hi`
`19:30.45`	`michaelh2`	`~hello ibot`
`19:30.59`	`michaelh2`	`~bobots`
`19:31.00`		`Bobots are everywhere! Game over man!`
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`20:07.13`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`20:19.58`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`20:25.58`	`Cell`	`hm, i need the STRATEGY+OBSERVER*COMPOSITE+PROPAGATOR design patterns, thats gona be a though job`
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`21:25.35`	`doughecka`	`'lo`
`21:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`sup`
`21:26.26`	`doughecka`	`nothin much`
`21:30.56`	`Patlabor221`	`just got done with a good book :) you may even like it`
`21:31.04`	`Patlabor221`	`tho it has curse words in it.`
`21:31.06`	`doughecka`	`oh?`
`21:31.23`	`doughecka`	`whats it called?`
`21:31.27`	`Patlabor221`	`better part of valor by Tanya Huff`
`21:31.34`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`21:31.40`	`fiberchunks_`	`hrm -- are ppl being redirected to the site properly? I notice a distinct lack of postage on the board`
`21:31.42`	`doughecka`	`sci/fi?`
`21:31.45`	`doughecka`	`or what?`
`21:31.52`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah sci/fi`
`21:31.56`	`Patlabor221`	`fiber I think so`
`21:32.00`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`21:32.01`	`Patlabor221`	`there has been some posts`
`21:32.05`	`Patlabor221`	`and a new user added`
`21:32.12`	`Patlabor221`	`somedays it's like this, not much`
`21:32.23`	`Patlabor221`	`spif was able to get in, and cap`
`21:32.36`	`fiberchunks_`	`good deal`
`21:32.52`	`Patlabor221`	`fiber I made a little layout mockup for something like the portal thing you showed me`
`21:33.09`	`Patlabor221`	`www.bakadigital.com/sometin.png`
`21:33.19`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221: did you vhost for bzbb.bzflag.net?`
`21:33.23`	`Patlabor221`	`not yet`
`21:33.33`	`captain_proton`	`that explains why i get an apache test page :)`
`21:33.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I shall add it today`
`21:33.42`	`Patlabor221`	`or even right now`
`21:35.23`	`Patlabor221`	`what is the best way to restart apache? services httpd restart?`
`21:35.42`	`Patlabor221`	`or do I even need to restart it?`
`21:35.57`	`captain_proton`	you should only need to do `service httpd reload`
`21:36.45`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: heyho man`
`21:36.59`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: whats the best way to grab a video from openglbuffer?`
`21:37.26`	`Patlabor221`	`done :)`
`21:37.28`	`ak\|ra`	`i know you are doing such stuff with your code ... from the other project which name i forgot`
`21:37.35`	`ak\|ra`	`i patty`
`21:37.57`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah scanline had that set up in jetstream`
`21:38.09`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby render to a texture`
`21:38.20`	`Jormungandr`	`pat best way is "apachectl graceful"`
`21:38.29`	`Patlabor221`	`that was it`
`21:38.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I knew it had a "nice" word in it`
`21:38.38`	`Jormungandr`	`hi, btw. :)`
`21:38.41`	`Patlabor221`	`hi`
`21:38.42`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`21:38.48`	`Patlabor221`	`tho reload seemd to work just fine`
`21:38.49`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: without pbuffers :)`
`21:39.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I know he used glMovepixels`
`21:39.09`	`Jormungandr`	`it works fine, but graceful doesn't actually stop current active processes.`
`21:39.10`	`Patlabor221`	`well I think he did`
`21:39.27`	`Jormungandr`	`where reload kills and restarts it all.`
`21:39.42`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`21:39.58`	`Patlabor221`	`well bzbb now responds to 4 domains`
`21:40.14`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:40.18`	`Patlabor221`	`well 3 real domains, one has 2 subs`
`21:40.22`	`Jormungandr`	`when you have 300+ virtual hosts on one computer, "graceful" is your friend. :)`
`21:40.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I can imagine`
`21:40.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I have 3 vhosts :)`
`21:40.48`	`Jormungandr`	`weather is REALLY nice here right now.`
`21:40.52`	`Jormungandr`	`in the 80s`
`21:41.00`	`doughecka`	`ugh`
`21:41.02`	`Patlabor221`	`same here, getin a little wind tho`
`21:41.05`	`doughecka`	`really nice is 73`
`21:41.06`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`21:41.10`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:41.13`	`Patlabor221`	`80 is nice`
`21:41.21`	`Jormungandr`	`in AZ 80s is nice.`
`21:41.24`	`Patlabor221`	`when you also have to deal with 115`
`21:41.28`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:41.30`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`21:41.37`	`Jormungandr`	`exactly. :)`
`21:41.53`	`Patlabor221`	`doug we consider 70's "kinda chilly"`
`21:42.03`	`Patlabor221`	`60 is "cold"`
`21:42.03`	`Jormungandr`	`"cool"`
`21:42.06`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`21:42.11`	`Patlabor221`	`50 is "start a fire man"`
`21:42.15`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:42.23`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`21:42.27`	`Patlabor221`	`40 is just unheard of`
`21:42.35`	`Jormungandr`	`pretty much`
`21:42.36`	`Patlabor221`	`unless you are going to the mountans`
`21:42.37`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: what we do in jetstream is copy the pixel buffer after each frame and write it out using the nuppelvideo codec`
`21:42.42`	`Patlabor221`	`or it's like night`
`21:42.50`	`Patlabor221`	`nupple? :)`
`21:42.59`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah... it gets to upper 30s and lower 40s at night here.`
`21:43.09`	`Jormungandr`	`only in the winter, though.`
`21:43.23`	`Jormungandr`	`we did some gardening yesterday.`
`21:43.30`	`Jormungandr`	`I wanna go home and do some more.`
`21:43.41`	`Patlabor221`	`mmmmm new book smell`
`21:43.42`	`Jormungandr`	`only seen snow in phoenix once, too.`
`21:43.56`	`doughecka`	`hmm, if I sold both my PDAs for 20 bucks, I might be able to buy a palm III`
`21:44.17`	`doughecka`	`I have never seen snow in my home town`
`21:44.20`	`Jormungandr`	`I was really lucky... I got a book from abebooks that went out of print in the 80s, and it's brand new still. never been read/opened.`
`21:44.25`	`larsl`	`~convert 50 fahrenheit to celsius`
`21:44.32`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: how :)`
`21:44.34`	`larsl`	`~convert fahrenheit to celsius`
`21:44.44`	`doughecka`	`try degrees`
`21:44.53`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: how?`
`21:44.55`	`Jormungandr`	`larz, the farenheigt/celsius doesn't work very well.`
`21:44.56`	`larsl`	`On what side?`
`21:45.18`	`doughecka`	`~convert 73 degrees F to cC`
`21:45.23`	`Patlabor221`	`multiply by 7/9ths and add 32`
`21:45.23`	`Jormungandr`	`I could never figure it out, and then I asked TimRiker, and he couldn't make it work either.`
`21:45.24`	`doughecka`	`~convert 73 degrees F to c`
`21:45.34`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: glReadPixels(0,viewport[3]-writer->height,`
`21:45.34`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.34`	`captain_proton`	`<PROTECTED>`
`21:45.40`	`doughecka`	`~convert 73 F to C`
`21:45.49`	`larsl`	`~convert 60 degrees F to degrees C`
`21:45.49`	`Patlabor221`	`fiber you see that link I sent?`
`21:46.01`	`Jormungandr`	`see`
`21:46.02`	`Jormungandr`	`:(`
`21:46.05`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: NOT THAT`
`21:46.11`	`ak\|ra`	`the encoding on the fly :)`
`21:46.18`	`doughecka`	`everybody should use C`
`21:46.20`	`ak\|ra`	`i am able to master opengl :)`
`21:46.25`	`doughecka`	`america has to be diferent`
`21:46.26`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: ahh - we ripped some GPL code out of the nuppelvideo tools to do it`
`21:46.31`	`Jormungandr`	`that's a nice thought, doug.`
`21:46.54`	`captain_proton`	`they don't have a library for it`
`21:46.56`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: ah, ok... i thought of ripping out some stuff from mencoder to encode avi on the fly`
`21:46.57`	`Jormungandr`	`maybe I should get a celcius thermometer. :)`
`21:47.14`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: when I get to be president, not only will slashdot be hosted by the government, I will also convert america to the metric system`
`21:47.23`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`21:47.33`	`doughecka`	`AND play bzflag everyday :P`
`21:47.38`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: there are a couple problems with avi - if you just write uncompressed frames, disk bandwidth becomes a huge issue - if you use a real compression algorithm, it eats up a huge amount of CPU`
`21:47.40`	`Jormungandr`	`and we will all run on electricity made by cow poop.`
`21:47.41`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: is nuppel fast enough to be encoded on the fly?`
`21:47.41`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:47.49`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: farts...`
`21:47.49`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: yeah, thats why we chose it`
`21:47.59`	`captain_proton`	`and then mencoder can reencode to something smaller, like divx`
`21:47.59`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: i am very interested in your code :)`
`21:48.01`	`Jormungandr`	`you musta not read slashdot recently. :)`
`21:48.07`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: nope :)`
`21:48.13`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: thats why i remember your project :))`
`21:48.39`	`Jormungandr`	`they have article about farm in MN that generates enough electricity for 80 homes by processing their manuer.`
`21:48.52`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: cool`
`21:48.56`	`Jormungandr`	`it really is.`
`21:49.00`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: bet it stinks though`
`21:49.08`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: at the moment we got the following problem: we (or better a friend of mine) grab bmp-images (fastest to store on disk, but HUUUUGE), convert it into jpeg and then let mencoder do the rest`
`21:49.30`	`Jormungandr`	`actually, the process makes it smell a lot less.`
`21:49.41`	`Jormungandr`	`which is one of the reasons they started to do it.`
`21:49.46`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: bmp is NOT fastest to store to disk - you run into disk bandwidth issues - which is why we had to encode to nuppel before writing to disk`
`21:50.06`	`captain_proton`	`unless you have a large fibre-channel striped array of 15krpm disks =)`
`21:50.14`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: what is faster? without any additional library?`
`21:50.16`	`ak\|ra`	`rgb?`
`21:50.27`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: we got some fat sgis :)`
`21:50.51`	`Patlabor221`	`you should be able to do some compresion on the fly?`
`21:51.02`	`Patlabor221`	`what is your current framerate?`
`21:51.03`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: the issue is that uncompressed frames are a lot of data to write to disk - nuppel is designed to take up minimal cpu but still have a reasonable file size`
`21:51.26`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: slooowwowowww`
`21:51.37`	`Patlabor221`	`what the hell you rendering?`
`21:51.45`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: thats why i was interested in your code ...`
`21:52.00`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: bugs life ;)`
`21:52.07`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`21:52.10`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: well, i think it should be available online - the repository might have broken itself :P`
`21:52.11`	`ak\|ra`	`i remembered your project and the demo of grabbing-on-the-fly`
`21:52.29`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: alotta`
`21:52.46`	`Patlabor221`	`wow now this is a decent ground and tree sytem`
`21:52.47`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.flipcode.com/cgi-bin/msg.cgi?showThread=03-04-2003&forum=iotd&id=-1`
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`21:53.37`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: another thing the video recorder does is force the master clock to 1/30 second intervals`
`21:53.37`	`_mUNGo_`	`lo all`
`21:53.53`	`captain_proton`	`so no matter how long a frame takes to draw or encode, we get smooth video`
`21:54.12`	`ak\|ra`	`captain_proton: i _believe_ you :) and are interested in the code`
`21:54.15`	`_mUNGo_`	`can someone join me on l8tr.ath.cx i'm trying to figure out spacing for a new board, I'm using someone elses as a reference. It would be greatly appreciated`
`21:54.20`	`ak\|ra`	`what about the license?`
`21:54.26`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: jetstream is GPL`
`21:54.29`	`ak\|ra`	`ah`
`21:54.43`	`ak\|ra`	`how do i merge gpl with a commercial product?`
`21:54.55`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: big cities with openglperformer for example`
`21:55.12`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: um....gpl the commercial product? :)`
`21:55.33`	`captain_proton`	`ak\|ra: you could talk to the nuppelvideo people, perhaps write them a few patches to make a shared library, and have them relicense as LGPL`
`21:55.38`	`captain_proton`	`then use that library`
`22:07.33`	`scanline`	`Nuppelvideo is just a container.. the important pieces of code are the compression codec and the RGB->YUV conversion`
`22:07.50`	`ak\|ra`	`ah, the man himself`
`22:07.57`	`scanline`	`jetstream supports LZO and/or RTJpeg compression.. RTJpeg sucks, but I think LZO is under a zlib-like license`
`22:08.14`	`scanline`	`IIRC the RGB->YUV conversion code I used was public domain`
`22:09.11`	`ak\|ra`	`Patlabor221: what?`
`22:09.35`	`doughecka`	`a book`
`22:09.54`	`ak\|ra`	`scanline: do you have any time facts of how much the encoding takes from cpu?`
`22:10.30`	`scanline`	`ak\|ra: I don't have any numbers, but it's plenty fast enough for our purposes`
`22:10.47`	`scanline`	`I can encode 1024x768 at 30fps just fine using LZO`
`22:15.26`	`ak\|ra`	`mhhh`
`22:15.44`	`ak\|ra`	`i am still thinking about a cool method to place that kind of code into our app`
`22:18.45`	`ak\|ra`	`what about an little ap, getting a contextpointer, the size of the window ...`
`22:18.57`	`ak\|ra`	`and than grabbing from screen .. ?`
`22:24.21`	`mmu_man`	`hmm 50K`
`22:25.17`	`mmu_man`	`well, I'lll post the url maybe`
`22:59.08`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: SourceForge.`
`22:59.32`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: That's what it's for. =)`
`23:04.21`	`*** join/#bzflag Noodleman (~3v1ln00dl@216.228.187.207)`
`23:04.29`	`Noodleman`	`moo`
`23:07.18`	`mmu_man`	`larsl hmm not used to it...`
`23:07.19`	`*** join/#bzflag doughecka (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`23:07.19`	`doughecka`	`greetings`
`23:07.21`	`mmu_man`	`will see`
`23:07.25`	`Noodleman`	`hey`
`23:07.37`	`mmu_man`	`I'm used to being flooded by patches from ffmpeg-devel mailing list :P`
`23:07.46`	`Noodleman`	`i'm about half-done compiling stage 1 of gentoo`

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