irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030304

`00:00.27`	`bzgirl`	`sn0w_m0nkey: ctf map, i want a map with purple and red ctf, but the bases in the opposite corners`
`00:00.30`	`doughecka`	`hmm, then the cisco is a modem? not a router? that explains...`
`00:00.32`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`jraitala: sounds fine, after the end of this month. i will have alot of bz time.`
`00:00.48`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`jraitala: but my work load is getting a little better this week also.`
`00:00.56`	`jraitala`	`I need to configure my email and dns server this week, though`
`00:01.19`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`jraitala: ok, no worries`
`00:01.49`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`bzgirl: i tried something like that with purple and blue i think`
`00:01.59`	`jraitala`	`after the end of this month I'm done with the matriculation exams and I'll have plenty of time`
`00:02.45`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`jraitala: i see much light beer for you soon.`
`00:02.56`	`Patlabor221`	`bzgirl: http://www.artemisgames.com/Atilla.JPG`
`00:02.57`	`Patlabor221`	`opps`
`00:03.01`	`Patlabor221`	`no not that URL`
`00:03.05`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:03.12`	`Patlabor221`	`that's the dog`
`00:03.17`	`bzgirl`	`aww`
`00:03.21`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bz/BZE_1.5.9f10_Installer.zip`
`00:03.24`	`bzgirl`	`hes awesome!`
`00:03.28`	`Patlabor221`	`yes he is`
`00:03.33`	`Patlabor221`	`he's running round the office her`
`00:03.35`	`Patlabor221`	`here`
`00:03.36`	`doughecka`	`bosses?`
`00:03.42`	`bzgirl`	`whats his name?`
`00:03.44`	`Patlabor221`	`boss likes dogs`
`00:03.50`	`Patlabor221`	`atilla`
`00:03.55`	`Patlabor221`	`not my dog`
`00:04.02`	`Patlabor221`	`another guy here at work`
`00:04.30`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`00:04.32`	`Patlabor221`	`he's naping on his desk now`
`00:04.46`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`oh what a cute puppy`
`00:04.50`	`Patlabor221`	`we tought him how to get a nerf ball tho`
`00:05.00`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:05.04`	`doughecka`	`"work"`
`00:05.10`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what we call it`
`00:05.11`	`doughecka`	`I see you have lots ot "work" to do`
`00:05.17`	`Patlabor221`	`and we get paid for this :)`
`00:05.18`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`<-dog person`
`00:05.21`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`woof`
`00:05.22`	`Patlabor221`	`he's only 5 weeks old`
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`00:05.39`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: amazing`
`00:06.05`	`Patlabor221`	`there we go link on bze main page is fixed`
`00:06.10`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i'm trying to train my dog to get my beer`
`00:06.24`	`doughecka`	`sn0w_m0nkey: hmm, how about drink it?`
`00:06.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I must realy must move www.bakadigital.com to the new linux server`
`00:06.40`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`i'm training to drink it.`
`00:06.46`	`doughecka`	`ah`
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`00:07.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I need to get a yard so I can get a dog`
`00:07.37`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`hi stibnite`
`00:07.39`	`Patlabor221`	`just have 2 cats now`
`00:08.19`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`nothing better than a puppy messing with cats ;)`
`00:08.26`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: hmm, get some fake grass and putit in the kitchen or something..., presto: instant yard`
`00:08.47`	`Patlabor221`	`my cats have seen dogs and seem to be ok around them`
`00:08.58`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:09.03`	`doughecka`	`do dogs see cats?`
`00:09.07`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`00:09.50`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:10.06`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`they see targets :)`
`00:10.18`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`the chase follows soon after`
`00:10.27`	`Patlabor221`	`this dog didn't`
`00:10.30`	`Patlabor221`	`it was very youg tho`
`00:10.35`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`00:10.35`	`Patlabor221`	`just wanted to sniff`
`00:10.47`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`00:11.16`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`looks like ducati went down.`
`00:11.27`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`oof`
`00:11.30`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`not`
`00:12.00`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`your a duck?`
`00:12.07`	`doughecka`	`dog`
`00:12.12`	`doughecka`	`learning new langueges`
`00:12.25`	`sn0w_m0nkey`	`sometimes its on my list...sometimes its not unless i try to connect.`
`00:12.36`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`00:14.02`	`Patlabor221`	`seems that if you get the latest wine, bze works on linux`
`00:14.14`	`Patlabor221`	`with some small gui glitches`
`00:14.25`	`greg1`	`one green is missing on dicati`
`00:14.44`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`00:14.50`	`doughecka`	`so now theres a red and a green`
`00:14.52`	`doughecka`	`whats left?`
`00:15.48`	`greg1`	`no he didn t leave`
`00:15.58`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`00:17.53`	`bzgirl`	`so if i make a map, that i want symetrical, can i use bzedit to make one half and save it and open it in a text editor and make the second half by pasting then changing thr numbers to negatives?`
`00:17.59`	`greg1`	`red wanted`
`00:18.30`	`doughecka`	`bzgirl: sure`
`00:18.32`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:18.42`	`bzgirl`	`ok good`
`00:18.46`	`doughecka`	`bzgirl: would need to make a script if its a large map`
`00:18.56`	`Patlabor221`	`could even do quadrants`
`00:19.10`	`Patlabor221`	`that will be a feature if I ever get multiple slections hooked up`
`00:19.16`	`bzgirl`	`doughecka: what i want is a map similar to the ctf random maps`
`00:19.31`	`bzgirl`	`but with the bases in the corners`
`00:19.55`	`doughecka`	`bzgirl: hmm`
`00:20.07`	`doughecka`	`ack`
`00:20.15`	`bzgirl`	`theres now way to pipe the map that bzfs creates randomaly to a file is ther?`
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`00:21.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think so`
`00:21.30`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not output to any stdio or anything`
`00:22.28`	`bzgirl`	`ah well`
`00:22.33`	`greg1`	`Bye all`
`00:22.37`	`Patlabor221`	`what chmod would I call to give anyone write access to a folder? 777?`
`00:22.38`	`bzgirl`	`cu greg`
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`00:22.53`	`bzgirl`	`yup`
`00:23.15`	`Patlabor221`	`wow, I think I'm actualy learning this stuff :)`
`00:23.24`	`bzgirl`	`well that gives them evey right, read, write, delete etc`
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`00:24.05`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what is needed`
`00:28.30`	`mmu_man`	`OUCH`
`00:28.41`	`mmu_man`	`namespace collision on Region.h !`
`00:28.45`	`mmu_man`	`darn`
`00:29.00`	`mmu_man`	`wondered why it didn't want to compile`
`00:29.57`	`mmu_man`	`rahhh`
`00:29.59`	`larsl`	`What symbols?`
`00:30.08`	`mmu_man`	`not a symbol problel`
`00:30.22`	`mmu_man`	`BeOS classes all have a B as prefix`
`00:30.32`	`mmu_man`	`but the header is called Region.h :^)`
`00:30.49`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`00:31.35`	`larsl`	`Does it work to use "" and <> to change the directory search order?`
`00:31.38`	`mmu_man`	`it was beginning to be to easy =)`
`00:31.44`	`mmu_man`	`will see`
`00:35.00`	`larsl`	`What are you using to build it BTW? Is there GCC for BeOS?`
`00:35.03`	`larsl`	`~beos`
`00:35.07`	`larsl`	`~gcc`
`00:35.09`		`it has been said that gcc is evil`
`00:35.34`	`larsl`	`Hehe.`
`00:35.36`	`larsl`	`~g++`
`00:35.43`	`mmu_man`	`sure there is`
`00:35.53`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:35.53`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:36.12`	`mmu_man`	`the only problem is this name collition`
`00:36.20`	`larsl`	`You have bash too? Are most UNIX tools working on Be?`
`00:36.21`	`mmu_man`	`hmm where are those -I declared ?`
`00:36.27`	`mmu_man`	`larsl sure`
`00:36.35`	`larsl`	`Maybe I should try it sometime.`
`00:36.45`	`mmu_man`	`the power of Unix and the ease of use of a MacOS`
`00:36.49`	`mmu_man`	`(without its bloat :)`
`00:38.46`	`larsl`	`There are some -Is in the configs/<sysname> files.`
`00:40.20`	`mmu_man`	`and in Make-common...`
`00:40.42`	`mmu_man`	`so...`
`00:40.43`	`mmu_man`	`g++ -DVERSION=10801001 -DINSTALL_DATA_DIR=\"/boot/home/config/share/bzflag\" -I../../include -MD -c BeOSWindow.cxx`
`00:41.21`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:41.21`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:41.22`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:41.35`	`mmu_man`	`looks like it added it to both paths :^)`
`00:43.11`	`larsl`	`Yes, the only difference between them should be the ordering.`
`00:43.24`	`larsl`	`<> should look in system directories first.`
`00:43.33`	`mmu_man`	`it doesn't`
`00:44.20`	`mmu_man`	`both gccs I have do the same`
`00:45.09`	`larsl`	`That's bad.`
`00:45.21`	`mmu_man`	`that's weird`
`00:46.18`	`larsl`	`-I dir Add the directory dir to the list of directories to be searched for header files. Directories named by -I are searched before the standard system include directories.`
`00:46.28`	`larsl`	`Nothing about the difference between "" and <>.`
`00:46.36`	`larsl`	`Although I'm pretty sure there should be one.`
`00:46.51`	`mmu_man`	`"" usually search from . first`
`00:47.26`	`larsl`	`That might be it... but both of them check the ones given with -I first.`
`00:47.45`	`mmu_man`	`well I can try to cheat so it finds the system one first`
`00:48.33`	`mmu_man`	`with a -I/boot/develop/headers/be/interface first it already looks better...`
`00:49.15`	`mmu_man`	`anyway I'd highly suggest renaming to BzfRegion.h as it's way harder to rename it in every BeOS version :)`
`00:49.35`	`larsl`	`True. =)`
`00:51.11`	`mmu_man`	`hmm`
`00:51.35`	`larsl`	`Hum. Where can I get BeOS? Is there still a free version floating around?`
`00:51.40`	`mmu_man`	`can't do CXXFLAGS+=`
`00:51.44`	`mmu_man`	`yes`
`00:52.01`	`mmu_man`	`http://www.bebits.com/app/2680`
`00:52.11`	`mmu_man`	`though R5 doesn't have much support for ogl`
`00:52.16`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`00:54.04`	`mmu_man`	`where did I bookmark this make man page ?`
`00:54.17`	`larsl`	`BeOS R5 for Linux, neat.`
`00:54.48`	`mmu_man`	`just untar in an ext2 and make the floppy :)`
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`00:56.15`	`ski1`	`hi all`
`00:56.38`	`larsl`	`Hello.`
`00:57.28`	`mmu_man`	`ok, let's cheat there...`
`00:57.28`	`mmu_man`	`CXXF = $(CXX) -I/boot/develop/headers/be/interface $(CXXFLAGS)`
`00:57.35`	`mmu_man`	`in src/mplatform/Make-beos`
`00:57.49`	`mmu_man`	`now I can debug the rest :)`
`00:59.13`	`ski1`	`how do i get ibot to find someone?`
`00:59.20`	`ski1`	`ibot seen apache?`
`00:59.21`		`i haven't seen 'apache', ski1`
`00:59.29`	`ski1`	`nhmm`
`00:59.40`	`ski1`	`ibot seen num_lock?`
`00:59.40`		`i haven't seen 'num_lock', ski1`
`00:59.47`	`ski1`	`hmm'`
`01:01.55`	`larsl`	`Argh, I removed my floppy drive a few months ago.`
`01:02.31`	`larsl`	`Never thought I'd need it again.`
`01:03.56`	`larsl`	`BeOS will have to wait a couple of days.`
`01:04.01`	`larsl`	`Good night.`
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`01:33.22`	`mmu_man`	`hmmmm`
`01:33.23`	`mmu_man`	../../lib/libMediaFile.a(PNGImageFile.o)(.ctors+0x0): undefined reference to `global constructors keyed to PNGImageFile::PNGHEADER'
`01:33.37`	`mmu_man`	`wtf ???`
`01:34.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
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`01:50.25`	`mmu_man`	`yay`
`01:50.31`	`mmu_man`	`I think I got bzflag compiled`
`01:50.37`	`Jormungandr`	`cool`
`01:50.49`	`Jormungandr`	`I just put a new ctf map on dragon.org.`
`01:50.58`	`Jormungandr`	`very strange map`
`01:52.05`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:52.05`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:52.11`	`mmu_man`	`at least it does something :)`
`01:52.18`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`01:52.32`	`Jormungandr`	`you have glx enabled in x?`
`01:53.23`	`mmu_man`	`that would be very unlikely :P`
`01:53.37`	`Jormungandr`	`then bzflag won't work :)`
`01:53.41`	`mmu_man`	`as the only X server I have in BeOS is an old X11R5 :P`
`01:53.47`	`Jormungandr`	`eeek`
`01:53.49`	`mmu_man`	`I hope it does :p`
`01:54.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bye-bye`
`01:54.13`	`mmu_man`	`BeOS doesn't need ugly things like X11`
`02:01.12`	`mmu_man`	`doh...`
`02:01.28`	`mmu_man`	`of course, if I create it but return NULL in the Factory...`
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`02:02.38`	`mmu_man`	`:)`
`02:03.03`	`mmu_man`	`ah`
`02:03.04`	`mmu_man`	`segfault`
`02:03.07`	`mmu_man`	`way better =)`
`02:03.38`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`02:04.55`	`mmu_man`	`shouldn't MakeCurrent() before letting bzflag create the gl context itself I guess`
`02:05.13`	`mmu_man`	`damn, why is ld single threaded ?`
`02:05.29`	`mmu_man`	`still need to wait, even with my dual`
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`02:06.33`	`mmu_man`	`hmm`
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`02:28.36`	`mmu_man`	`ugh ???`
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`02:31.10`	`mmu_man`	`well enough for today`
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`10:59.35`	`mmu_man`	`it compiled !`
`10:59.42`	`mmu_man`	`though ti crashes :^)`
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`11:31.51`	`mmu_man`	`...`
`11:31.59`	`mmu_man`	`maybe old vorbis libs`
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`11:35.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`11:35.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`my hole trillian contacts have been deleted`
`11:36.50`	`mmu_man`	`plop`
`11:36.52`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`11:37.32`	`mmu_man`	`hmm why is it that make -j4 doesn't propagate the flag ?`
`11:37.37`	`mmu_man`	`even setting MAKEFLAGS`
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`11:39.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o(((`
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`12:01.06`	`mmu_man`	`plop`
`12:03.02`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: How is the BeOS port doing?`
`12:03.09`	`mmu_man`	`got it compiled...`
`12:03.11`	`mmu_man`	`but`
`12:03.15`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:03.26`	`mmu_man`	`looks like my vorbis libs are old`
`12:03.32`	`larsl`	`Oh.`
`12:03.35`	`mmu_man`	`and it crashes`
`12:03.54`	`mmu_man`	`and... damn it takes ages to compile :p`
`12:04.03`	`mmu_man`	`and I can't seem to get -j4 to propagate`
`12:04.30`	`mmu_man`	`well, lunch`
`12:04.33`	`larsl`	`-j4?`
`12:04.36`	`mmu_man`	`make -j4`
`12:04.40`	`mmu_man`	`I have a dual`
`12:04.54`	`mmu_man`	`setting MAKEFLAGS doesn't help`
`12:04.55`	`mmu_man`	`anyway`
`12:05.05`	`mmu_man`	`maybe it will be compiled when I'm back from lunch =)`
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`12:11.52`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
`12:12.02`	`rooter`	`has ducati just died?`
`12:13.45`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
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`12:21.22`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
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`12:26.24`	`rooter`	`hey TeA`
`12:26.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducati6`
`12:26.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ducati`
`12:26.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`12:26.36`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
`12:26.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i went nr`
`12:26.41`	`rooter`	`me too`
`12:26.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i know why`
`12:26.56`	`rooter`	`why?`
`12:26.56`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal isnt on`
`12:26.59`	`rooter`	`lol`
`12:27.03`	`rooter`	`could be`
`12:27.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ngive a bet`
`12:27.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`when chestal is on`
`12:27.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`it will work again`
`12:27.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`had to reboot 5 times because i conected to ducati`
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`12:27.44`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hey akitas`
`12:27.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`akira`
`12:31.55`	`ak\|ra`	`re`
`12:32.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`akira sag macl ches er soll on gehen`
`12:33.03`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ducati ist tot`
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`12:35.49`	`larsl`	`Appearently BeOS R5 doesn't work with AthlonXP CPUs. =P`
`12:38.55`	`Jormungandr`	`that's unfortunate`
`12:39.41`	`mmu_man`	`larsl you need a patch`
`12:39.52`	`mmu_man`	`because Athlon XP CPUs are buggy (no it's _not_ BeOS :p)`
`12:40.15`	`mmu_man`	`get my autopatching bootfloppy`
`12:40.25`	`larsl`	`Where?`
`12:40.28`	`mmu_man`	`http://clapcrest.free.fr/revol/beos/kpatch_p4-athlon_test.zip`
`12:40.32`	`larsl`	`Will try.`
`12:40.47`	`mmu_man`	`there are other patches, but I think this one is the simplest`
`12:40.52`	`mmu_man`	`just boot with the floppy image`
`12:41.39`	`mmu_man`	`it should ask you if you want to patch the partition`
`12:42.55`	`larsl`	`It works even if I don't have a real partition for BeOS?`
`12:43.06`	`mmu_man`	`should`
`12:43.30`	`mmu_man`	`it's just a matter of doing a sed command on some files`
`12:43.50`	`mmu_man`	`to disable optimized memcpy`
`12:44.18`	`larsl`	`OK, rebooting.`
`12:52.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`12:52.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Noodleman?`
`12:55.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
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`12:55.42`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`how can i delete stuff on stats.bzflag.org`
`12:56.11`	`larsl`	`Bleh, it didn't find my network card.`
`12:56.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i want to delete a hole account on stats.bzflag.org`
`12:59.09`	`mmu_man`	`damn`
`12:59.14`	`mmu_man`	`what card ?`
`13:00.04`	`mmu_man`	`at least it booted :)`
`13:00.07`	`larsl`	`Onboard Broadcom BCM4401 (on an Asus mainboard).`
`13:00.22`	`mmu_man`	`doh, what is this thing ?`
`13:00.30`	`mmu_man`	`rtl maybe ?`
`13:00.39`	`larsl`	`No, I think it's their own.`
`13:00.45`	`mmu_man`	`what module do u use in nux ?`
`13:00.46`	`larsl`	`Broadcom's, I mean.`
`13:01.05`	`larsl`	`bcm4400`
`13:01.06`	`mmu_man`	`never heard about it :-(`
`13:01.26`	`mmu_man`	`http://hardware.frizbe.net`
`13:01.42`	`larsl`	`It didn't recognize mu graphics card either (GeForce2 MX).`
`13:01.47`	`larsl`	`I'll look at that.`
`13:02.15`	`mmu_man`	`that you can find a driver on bebits.com`
`13:02.28`	`mmu_man`	`I have a GF2 here and it works quite well`
`13:02.34`	`mmu_man`	`though no ogl :-(`
`13:02.37`	`mmu_man`	`nvidia suxor`
`13:02.53`	`larsl`	`Can BeOS mount ext2 partitions?`
`13:03.42`	`mmu_man`	`yes, read only but it's enough :)`
`13:03.48`	`mmu_man`	`it can mount FAT32 r/w`
`13:04.14`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
`13:04.32`	`larsl`	`OK. So if I find drivers, I can put them on my Linux partitions and load them from within BeOS.`
`13:04.34`	`larsl`	`That's nice.`
`13:04.46`	`mmu_man`	`:)`
`13:05.25`	`mmu_man`	`about the net driver, didn't find anything ...`
`13:05.35`	`mmu_man`	`though you can try to port the linux driver :)`
`13:05.39`	`larsl`	`Neither did I. =P`
`13:05.43`	`mmu_man`	`(I did that for my pcmcia nic)`
`13:05.58`	`mmu_man`	`http://www.bebits.com/app/1622`
`13:06.11`	`larsl`	`I've never hacked drivers before... I think that will have to wait. =P`
`13:06.12`	`mmu_man`	`the nvidia drv`
`13:06.18`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`13:06.32`	`mmu_man`	`you can also have a look at http://bedrivers.com`
`13:06.42`	`mmu_man`	`there are some resources`
`13:07.55`	`mmu_man`	`hmm`
`13:07.55`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:07.55`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:07.56`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:07.56`	`mmu_man`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:08.12`	`mmu_man`	`looks like gl needs to be initialized before messing up with it`
`13:08.59`	`mmu_man`	`bzflag calls BeOSwindow::makeCurrent(), but not makeContext()`
`13:13.42`	`mmu_man`	`ahhhhh`
`13:13.45`	`mmu_man`	`way better`
`13:13.50`	`mmu_man`	`now it doesn't crash`
`13:13.53`	`mmu_man`	`just deadlock :)`
`13:13.59`	`mmu_man`	`but it goes further`
`13:17.58`	`mmu_man`	`damn linking bzflag takes ages =)`
`13:19.47`	`mmu_man`	`looks like calling MakeCurrent() twice deadlocks`
`13:19.54`	`mmu_man`	`it waits on a sem ...`
`13:20.08`	`mmu_man`	`there really should be a BzfWindow::releasecurrent()`
`13:25.29`	`mmu_man`	`looks like I'll have to track the current context thread_id`
`13:27.08`	`mmu_man`	`something like if (tid != currentOglContext) { bWindow->MakeCurrent(); currentOglContext = tid; }`
`13:27.19`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
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`13:30.12`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: Graphics are working great (except GL), thanks for the help.`
`13:30.23`	`larsl`	`It's kind of boring when I can't get on the net, though. =P`
`13:32.22`	`mmu_man`	`yup`
`13:33.03`	`mmu_man`	`still fighting with Be's ogl...`
`13:33.25`	`mmu_man`	`MakeCurrent() deadlocks if called twice (of course, it waits for a ReleaseCurrent() :^)`
`13:33.34`	`mmu_man`	`and other segfaults`
`13:36.14`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
`13:36.22`	`rooter`	`sigh`
`13:36.32`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`13:38.58`	`mmu_man`	`ah`
`13:39.01`	`mmu_man`	`I saw a window !`
`13:40.41`	`mmu_man`	`19636: bzflag suspended`
`13:40.43`	`mmu_man`	`doh ??`
`13:40.51`	`mmu_man`	`how did it suspend itself ??`
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`13:46.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rooter?`
`13:46.51`	`rooter`	`yes?`
`13:46.58`	`rooter`	`~ducatictf`
`13:47.09`	`rooter`	`Chestal.... ducati?`
`13:47.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ducati:5156 = ~ducati6 ; ducati:5155 = ~ducati5 ; ducati 59999 = ~ducatictf`
`13:47.27`	`rooter`	`it was down`
`13:47.33`	`rooter`	`~ducati6`
`13:47.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yes`
`13:47.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`13:47.40`	`rooter`	`cool`
`13:47.46`	`rooter`	`TeA... c you there`
`13:47.56`	`rooter`	`thanks Chestal`
`13:48.04`	`Chestal`	`file serevr crash once more`
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`14:33.42`	`mmu_man`	`ok, I got the thing running...`
`14:33.54`	`mmu_man`	`for now I only get a black window though =)`
`14:34.18`	`doughecka`	`C:\DOS. C:\DOS RUN. RUN DOS RUN`
`14:35.40`	`mmu_man`	`?`
`14:35.54`	`mmu_man`	`mkbfs /dev/disk/ide/ata/0/master/0/0_0`
`14:35.56`	`mmu_man`	`:P`
`14:52.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`who huh`
`14:52.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`just did 29:0 on ducati`
`14:53.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`/dev/null`
`15:04.42`	`mmu_man`	`YAY`
`15:05.42`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: It works?`
`15:05.47`	`mmu_man`	`http://80.13.222.204:81/shot_BZFlag_001.png`
`15:05.54`	`mmu_man`	`at least it displays something !`
`15:06.04`	`mmu_man`	`though it deadlocks`
`15:06.18`	`mmu_man`	`it looks like app_server kills it because it thinks it's frozen`
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`15:06.33`	`larsl`	`600b/s - is that on your home computer?`
`15:06.36`	`doughecka`	`ooh`
`15:06.37`	`doughecka`	`beos`
`15:06.39`	`doughecka`	`I see`
`15:07.00`	`mmu_man`	`yeah, french DSL =)`
`15:07.13`	`doughecka`	`jaj`
`15:07.14`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`15:07.39`	`mmu_man`	`and the XP EULA is unethicaly anti-freedom`
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`15:11.41`	`ak\|ra`	`re`
`15:12.10`	`mmu_man`	`plop`
`15:12.14`	`mmu_man`	`http://80.13.222.204:81/shot_BZFlag_001.png`
`15:12.57`	`doughecka`	`ya, who reads those EULAs anyway`
`15:14.18`	`ak\|ra`	`not me`
`15:15.04`	`mmu_man`	`well you'resupposed to :p`
`15:15.18`	`mmu_man`	`anyway this DRM sh*t ... Paladium`
`15:15.24`	`mmu_man`	`that's enough`
`15:15.34`	`doughecka`	`lol`
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`15:22.36`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`15:27.32`	`mmu_man`	`sql ?`
`15:27.45`	`mmu_man`	`:P`
`15:27.48`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`15:28.19`	`[dmp]`	`would probaly be better.. It seems that my box/mysql can't handle the amount of data i get from servers :-\|`
`15:33.05`	`doughecka`	`amazing, I never checked my email today`
`15:35.51`	`[dmp]`	`Have ducati:5156 had downtime around 13:17-14:17 (CET) ?`
`15:38.23`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`15:39.37`	`ak\|ra`	`ah, the man is back`
`15:39.39`	`ak\|ra`	`hi Chestal`
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`15:50.16`	`Jormungandr`	`looks like MS is saying that it's no longer pursuing openGL`
`15:50.30`	`Jormungandr`	`it's going to focus on directX`
`15:52.38`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/29555.html`
`15:52.54`	`Jormungandr`	`looks like they are just quitting the board for openGL but keeping openGL`
`15:55.46`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`16:09.17`	`[dmp]`	`hi Chestal: That's a comfort.. My perl scripts (modified bzfquery.pl) was hanging around. eating memory, so the kernel killed mysql today :-\|.. Guess they need to be rewritten.`
`16:09.52`	`[dmp]`	`But more memory woudnt hurt, anyway.`
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`16:14.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]_`	`~ducati6`
`16:21.22`	`mmu_man`	`rahh`
`16:21.29`	`mmu_man`	`this thing really locks up :-(`
`16:22.19`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`16:22.59`	`mmu_man`	`is there a precise point in bzflag control flow where it does ogl stuff and really needs the context or is it spread everywhere ?`
`16:23.06`	`mmu_man`	`since I need finer grain locking`
`16:23.42`	`mmu_man`	`callign makeCurrent() on the beginning locks it up, as another thread is waiting on it too... and the system kills the app if it doesn't respond in 3 secs`
`16:24.04`	`mmu_man`	`I tried to add calls to YieldCurrent() in the event polling...`
`16:24.09`	`mmu_man`	`but it didn't help much`
`16:26.49`	`mmu_man`	`ping ?`
`16:26.54`	`[dmp]`	`pong.`
`16:26.58`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`16:28.15`	`larsl`	`I have no idea, I've only looked at the server code. =(`
`16:28.34`	`mmu_man`	`ah :-(`
`16:34.21`	`rooter`	`~ducati6`
`16:46.51`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: But you could always grep for 'glBegin'. =)`
`16:51.00`	`mmu_man`	`good idea :)`
`16:51.08`	`mmu_man`	`I was in the middle of playing Loop`
`16:51.18`	`doughecka`	`Loop?`
`16:51.22`	`mmu_man`	`glEnd is what interests me most =)`
`16:51.33`	`mmu_man`	`playingLoop() in playing.cxx`
`16:58.57`	`mmu_man`	`will try something there...`
`17:01.35`	`mmu_man`	`yay`
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`17:01.40`	`doughecka`	`Hmmm, clever are you, but much to learn you have`
`17:01.47`	`mmu_man`	`I saw the tank moving down before it gets killed =)`
`17:02.13`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`17:02.56`	`mmu_man`	`eh`
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`17:19.49`	`doughecka`	`'lo Patlabor221`
`17:19.53`	`Jormungandr`	`dude`
`17:19.53`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:20.23`	`Jormungandr`	`no workie.`
`17:20.55`	`Jormungandr`	`precomiled binary requires stdc 5 libs.`
`17:21.05`	`Jormungandr`	`and I have stdc 6`
`17:21.20`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`17:21.25`	`doughecka`	`get 5`
`17:21.48`	`Jormungandr`	`I suppose I could see if they are available.`
`17:22.15`	`larsl`	`Why couldn't you compile it?`
`17:22.23`	`Jormungandr`	`some wacky error`
`17:22.32`	`doughecka`	`"wacky"`
`17:22.33`	`larsl`	`Oh, that. =)`
`17:22.37`	`Jormungandr`	`whatever that means.`
`17:22.42`	`doughecka`	`that "wacky" error`
`17:23.03`	`Jormungandr`	bzfls.cxx: In function `bool scheduleServerTest (Server *)':
`17:23.03`	`Jormungandr`	bzfls.cxx:716: `struct in_addr' has no member named `S_un'
`17:23.14`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`17:23.18`	`larsl`	`Sounds reasonable...`
`17:23.39`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`17:25.05`	`larsl`	`What version did you try to compile?`
`17:25.18`	`Jormungandr`	`bzflag zero`
`17:25.19`	`larsl`	`I can't find any references to 'S_un' in the CVS version.`
`17:25.25`	`larsl`	`zero?`
`17:25.38`	`Jormungandr`	`something that Patlabor221 is working on.`
`17:25.45`	`larsl`	`Oh.`
`17:25.57`	`Jormungandr`	`has some interesting additions to the code.`
`17:26.06`	`Jormungandr`	`and it's prettier.`
`17:26.07`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:26.23`	`Jormungandr`	`someone is begging me to run a bzflag zero server.`
`17:26.31`	`larsl`	`in_addr and similar data structures are scary... they are different on almost all systems.`
`17:31.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yes all the zero downloads are probalby jacked`
`17:31.31`	`Jormungandr`	`hi jeff`
`17:31.34`	`Patlabor221`	`der windowzen server is not working`
`17:31.35`	`Patlabor221`	`hi`
`17:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`hey I'm moving it to a real webserver :)`
`17:31.52`	`Jormungandr`	`someone asked me to run on dragon.org`
`17:31.56`	`Jormungandr`	`cool. :)`
`17:32.05`	`Patlabor221`	`as soon as I get permisions set right`
`17:32.20`	`Jormungandr`	`so I tried to run bzfsZ and... libstdc++.so.5: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory`
`17:32.36`	`Jormungandr`	`cuz I have libstdc++.so.6`
`17:32.43`	`Patlabor221`	`and fix the case sensitivites in the pages`
`17:32.56`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah.. that'll make a difference.`
`17:33.06`	`Patlabor221`	`the server should need just want regualr bz needs`
`17:33.14`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just a version change from it`
`17:33.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I need to do a diff and update to CVS`
`17:33.34`	`Jormungandr`	`I can't get regular bzfsZ to get past bzfls compile.`
`17:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I'll take a day off this week and do it`
`17:33.42`	`Jormungandr`	`cool.`
`17:33.59`	`Jormungandr`	`I tried bzflagZ last night. was kinda cool.`
`17:34.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh, I pulled LS from the build in what I have here`
`17:34.12`	`Jormungandr`	`didn't have a server to try, so just started local windows one to play.`
`17:34.12`	`Patlabor221`	`wait till you see the GeoGM :)`
`17:34.22`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:34.51`	`Jormungandr`	`let me know when you have some code I can compile.`
`17:34.53`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:34.58`	`Patlabor221`	`man there needs to be more time in the day`
`17:35.03`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`17:35.09`	`Jormungandr`	`I have too much going on.`
`17:35.33`	`Jormungandr`	`I could quit all my computer stuff, and focus on my Order, but then I'd probably go crazy.`
`17:36.02`	`Jormungandr`	`I can't really drop the Order, for a lot of reasons, the least being that I'd probably have a bishop shoot me. :)`
`17:36.29`	`Jormungandr`	`and then there is work.. which is down to 4 days a week.`
`17:36.33`	`Jormungandr`	`which is helpful.`
`17:36.40`	`Patlabor221`	`thats nice`
`17:37.03`	`Jormungandr`	`and the icon painting... which I have branched to painting ostrich and emu eggs, instead of on wood, for a nice change.`
`17:37.20`	`Jormungandr`	`can't give that up... it's a big relaxation thing.`
`17:37.45`	`Jormungandr`	`emu eggs are probably yummy.`
`17:37.52`	`Jormungandr`	`they are super dark green/almost black.`
`17:38.07`	`Jormungandr`	`when you carve into the shell, it gets lighter green, then white.`
`17:38.25`	`Jormungandr`	`the shell is as thick as fine porcelain for both emu and ostrich eggs.`
`17:38.34`	`Jormungandr`	`makes you wonder how those little buggers get out of there.`
`17:38.53`	`stibnite`	`you people are the feel-good hit of the year!`
`17:43.16`	`Jormungandr`	`slashdot article about webserver in a dead fly smells like a hoax.`
`17:52.33`	`larsl`	`Jormungandr: You could just skip bzfls (unless you really need your own list server).`
`17:54.07`	`larsl`	`It should be enough to remove the bzfls line in src/Makefile.`
`17:57.47`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: they have a movie of the fly`
`17:57.56`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: and the little lights in it`
`17:58.00`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: pretty cool`
`17:59.35`	`Jormungandr`	`I could try. I need to do that later, though. work has gotten a little strange.`
`17:59.56`	`Jormungandr`	`doug... it's pretty sad, but still looks fake. :)`
`18:00.10`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:00.26`	`doughecka`	`its not that the fly minds having a web server in its back`
`18:04.06`	`Jormungandr`	`you can run wires up through that huge cable to light the lights.`
`18:04.30`	`Jormungandr`	`it wouldn't mind because it's decomposing (the fly, not the web server)`
`18:04.36`	`doughecka`	`bah, they had it hooked up online too`
`18:04.46`	`doughecka`	`a few years back`
`18:04.46`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`18:04.49`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`18:04.58`	`Jormungandr`	`the server could be in the box underneath.`
`18:05.05`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`18:05.13`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`18:05.28`	`doughecka`	`noooo, really? :P`
`18:05.36`	`Jormungandr`	`actually, I'm just jealous, cuz I want one of those chips for a pet rock. :)`
`18:06.00`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`18:06.10`	`doughecka`	`slap a wireless thing and a battery...`
`18:06.19`	`doughecka`	`put it into the lizard box.. :)`
`18:06.28`	`Jormungandr`	`you can throw the rock and have a mobile web server.`
`18:06.31`	`doughecka`	`"Wireless lizard zapper"`
`18:06.35`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: haha`
`18:06.56`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: "weapons with web servers... are they safe?"`
`18:07.20`	`Jormungandr`	`took the pet rock to the therapist the other day. come to find out is that his biggest fear is erosion.`
`18:07.27`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`18:07.30`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:07.40`	`doughecka`	`my granit rock doesnt worry about much`
`18:07.51`	`doughecka`	`exept meeting the diamond`
`18:08.03`	`Jormungandr`	`metamorphisis`
`18:08.24`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`18:08.34`	`doughecka`	`how about food?`
`18:08.35`	`Jormungandr`	`5 am is too early to be waking up.`
`18:08.38`	`Jormungandr`	`that, too.`
`18:08.39`	`doughecka`	`food allways helps`
`18:08.48`	`Jormungandr`	`evil lunch truck will be here in about 20 minutes.`
`18:09.26`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`18:09.35`	`Jormungandr`	`what is mom ftping at 5am?`
`18:09.41`	`Jormungandr`	`enquiring minds want to know`
`18:09.47`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`18:09.53`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`18:09.56`	`doughecka`	`hmm, a booklet or something...`
`18:10.08`	`doughecka`	`a program for a basketball game`
`18:10.12`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`18:10.19`	`doughecka`	`and the brackets too`
`18:10.46`	`hardwire`	`doughecka hecka bo becka banana fecka fo fecka.. mii miii moo meeeckaaa!!! dougheecka!`
`18:11.15`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: lo wire hire hard wire`
`18:11.26`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: got your licence?`
`18:11.28`	`hardwire`	`no`
`18:11.34`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`18:11.35`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`18:11.39`	`hardwire`	`hey!`
`18:11.42`	`doughecka`	`hmm, where are you located?`
`18:11.48`	`hardwire`	`Fort Collins, CO`
`18:11.52`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`18:12.34`	`hardwire`	`happy mardi gras`
`18:12.42`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`18:12.44`	`doughecka`	`whats that?`
`18:12.54`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-28.swipnet.se)`
`18:12.57`	`doughecka`	`I only remember holidays if google makes a neato logo for it`
`18:13.01`	`hardwire`	`its where I get beads and you show me your boobies`
`18:13.12`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:13.16`	`hardwire`	`hehe`
`18:13.26`	`hardwire`	`google would have to make one very naughty logo out of its two o's`
`18:14.03`	`doughecka`	`ooh, when you get your license, it will have that funny 0 in it`
`18:14.12`	`hardwire`	`0 ?`
`18:14.15`	`hardwire`	`why so`
`18:14.23`	`doughecka`	`the 0 with the slash`
`18:14.30`	`doughecka`	`thats your "zone" in the US :)`
`18:14.31`	`hardwire`	`ye`
`18:14.37`	`hardwire`	`yes it is`
`18:14.41`	`hardwire`	`my roomate is KC0MYM`
`18:14.43`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`18:14.59`	`doughecka`	`Nathan T Glaser`
`18:15.01`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`18:15.10`	`hardwire`	`I think it should be DN70xx`
`18:15.17`	`doughecka`	`want his address?`
`18:15.28`	`hardwire`	`sure`
`18:15.37`	`doughecka`	`525 Sheldon St :)`
`18:15.41`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`18:15.43`	`hardwire`	`not no mo`
`18:15.48`	`doughecka`	`got his licence 15 Apr 2002`
`18:16.04`	`doughecka`	`Grid: DN70ko`
`18:16.49`	`hardwire`	`yeah`
`18:16.50`	`doughecka`	`bah, no echolink repeater in fort collins`
`18:16.53`	`hardwire`	`Maidenhead Locator`
`18:17.01`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`18:17.38`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: he has a Icom IC-T81A/E handheld radio too`
`18:17.40`	`doughecka`	`right?`
`18:17.44`	`hardwire`	`not any more`
`18:17.49`	`hardwire`	`my other roomate baught it`
`18:17.52`	`hardwire`	`bought it`
`18:17.52`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`18:17.53`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`18:18.07`	`hardwire`	`now he has a YEASU err.. blahblah5`
`18:18.14`	`hardwire`	`handheld`
`18:18.17`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`18:18.19`	`doughecka`	`nice :)`
`18:18.21`	`doughecka`	`2 meter?`
`18:18.26`	`Patlabor221`	`yay atilla the puppy is back`
`18:18.34`	`Jormungandr`	`atilla the puppy?`
`18:18.37`	`hardwire`	`yeaus!`
`18:18.40`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`18:18.42`	`doughecka`	`yeasu`
`18:18.45`	`hardwire`	`yeas`
`18:18.45`	`Patlabor221`	`puppy`
`18:18.50`	`Patlabor221`	`baby dog`
`18:18.52`	`doughecka`	`I have a mobil version`
`18:18.54`	`Jormungandr`	`that's a "hun"ny of a name for a dog.`
`18:18.59`	`hardwire`	`you have that fun looking starwars one`
`18:19.01`	`Patlabor221`	`mobile urine factory`
`18:19.13`	`Patlabor221`	`not my dog, didn't name him`
`18:19.17`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: LOL`
`18:19.18`	`Patlabor221`	`but he's realy small`
`18:19.27`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/Atilla.JPG`
`18:19.52`	`Patlabor221`	`he's the office dog till thursday`
`18:20.01`	`hardwire`	`heheh`
`18:20.01`	`Jormungandr`	`aaaaaaaaaaaaaw`
`18:20.03`	`hardwire`	`dogs are weird`
`18:20.11`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: Ihavea dalimation`
`18:20.15`	`Jormungandr`	`I want a new puppy.`
`18:20.21`	`Jormungandr`	`a Great Dane`
`18:20.24`	`hardwire`	`we have two dogs at this house`
`18:20.34`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:20.39`	`hardwire`	`both of em are jut dumb`
`18:20.41`	`hardwire`	`just`
`18:20.42`	`hardwire`	`heheh`
`18:20.56`	`hardwire`	`they just dont compare to little flexible ball chasing cats`
`18:21.04`	`Jormungandr`	`we have 3 cats.`
`18:21.12`	`Jormungandr`	`one of them is demon possessed most of the time :)`
`18:21.16`	`hardwire`	`heh`
`18:21.26`	`hardwire`	`ATM 2 of them are sharing heat on a 17" monitor`
`18:21.32`	`doughecka`	`how about laser chasing cats`
`18:21.34`	`hardwire`	`and the other is licking my shoulder despite my attempts to stop her`
`18:21.40`	`*** join/#bzflag h0tz (~uftt@pD9EA9829.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:21.47`	`*** part/#bzflag h0tz (~uftt@pD9EA9829.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:21.49`	`Jormungandr`	`one of my cats loves chasing the laser pointer light.`
`18:21.54`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`18:22.08`	`hardwire`	`Jormungandr: hel yah.. the laser was designed originally for pets you know :)`
`18:22.10`	`Jormungandr`	`the laser pointer is on a keychain, and he hears when it rattles and comes running.`
`18:22.18`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~trillian@pD9E97A4F.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`18:22.19`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: hmm...`
`18:22.48`	`hardwire`	`try snagging a bright bouncy ball and bouncing it down a hallway`
`18:22.49`	`hardwire`	`heheheh`
`18:22.51`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: aha! I found 1 repeater in fort collins`
`18:23.00`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/miscgal2/Pages/7.html <-my evil kitty.`
`18:23.06`	`hardwire`	`doughecka: yay`
`18:23.19`	`hardwire`	`Jormungandr: aww..`
`18:23.36`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: I can contact one of the 3 echolink repeaters localy and connect to it... then I can talk to you.. :P`
`18:23.39`	`hardwire`	`really really looks like the one sitting next to me`
`18:23.46`	`hardwire`	`doughecka: yeh`
`18:23.47`	`hardwire`	`its cool`
`18:23.52`	`hardwire`	`orr.. we could use IRC`
`18:23.54`	`Jormungandr`	`we got him when he was 4 days old.`
`18:24.01`	`doughecka`	`hardwire: thats... so 90s...`
`18:24.06`	`Jormungandr`	`had to bottle/dropper feed him`
`18:24.30`	`doughecka`	`ham radio is so... 60s :)`
`18:25.29`	`hardwire`	`http://www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery/miscgal2/Pages/33.html`
`18:25.36`	`hardwire`	`thats one evil cane?`
`18:25.41`	`hardwire`	`s/?/!`
`18:25.59`	`Jormungandr`	`hahahaha.`
`18:26.04`	`Jormungandr`	`that's a crosier`
`18:26.12`	`Jormungandr`	`a bishop's or abbot's staff`
`18:26.24`	`Jormungandr`	`mine is a little less scary.`
`18:27.01`	`Jormungandr`	`mine is visible in 38.html`
`18:31.53`	`Jormungandr`	`I have another one that is a dragon's head. I don't have any pics with it though.`
`18:47.52`	`*** join/#bzflag mmu_man (~revol@ALyon-202-1-1-204.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`18:49.49`	`Patlabor221`	`where is the apache config file again?`
`18:51.10`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`18:51.23`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`18:51.30`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`18:51.33`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`18:54.11`	`Patlabor221`	`found it`
`19:01.49`	`Patlabor221`	`/etc/httpd/`
`19:02.09`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:05.58`	`doughecka`	`I need a Tivo for my car. Pause live traffic now.`
`19:07.23`	`hardwire`	`rewind`
`19:07.26`	`hardwire`	`pull up to chick`
`19:07.29`	`hardwire`	`:)`
`19:07.39`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`19:08.12`	`doughecka`	`~dict elephantiasis`
`19:08.33`	`doughecka`	`nice.`
`19:12.27`	`Patlabor221`	`you don't have a car`
`19:12.48`	`doughecka`	`bike then`
`19:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`you can't pick up chicks on a bike`
`19:13.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o(`
`19:13.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`why when i update stats .. my profil it doesnt save it :(((((`
`19:13.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`stats.bzflag.org`
`19:13.29`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: a bike built for 2`
`19:14.33`	`doughecka`	`daisy... daissssssssssyyyyyyyyyy.........`
`19:14.39`	`Patlabor221`	`"so baby, how you like my bmx"`
`19:14.52`	`doughecka`	`vroom vroom`
`19:15.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I wonder how bad the baka main page is with case sensitivity`
`19:15.58`	`Patlabor221`	`guess I'`
`19:16.03`	`Patlabor221`	`ll find out soon`
`19:16.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`does somewone know why????????????`
`19:17.11`	`Patlabor221`	`well more then likely it's a server side bug`
`19:17.16`	`Patlabor221`	`the server saves it all`
`19:17.28`	`Jormungandr`	`there should be a link on the front page to mail noodleman about it.`
`19:17.29`	`Patlabor221`	`stats still seems to need a bunch of work`
`19:17.50`	`Patlabor221`	`I was able to log in with no user, no password, and post news`
`19:29.40`	`[dmp]`	`is the bzflag/doc/protocol.txt still correct?`
`19:33.21`	`Chestal`	`most of it`
`19:33.44`	`Chestal`	`some details might be outdated or missing`
`19:34.14`	`Chestal`	`because all 1.7 versions are backward compatible, the protocol was not allowed to change anyway, only to be extended`
`19:34.38`	`Patlabor221`	`can anyone see if they can get to http://asgard.bakadigital.com/`
`19:35.10`	`doughecka`	`I can`
`19:35.15`	`Patlabor221`	`cool thanks`
`19:35.47`	`Patlabor221`	`can you get to the zero section?`
`19:36.11`	`doughecka`	`yah`
`19:36.42`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`19:37.23`	`Patlabor221`	`that should fix screamers now, so all the main sections of the site should be up again`
`19:37.27`	`Patlabor221`	`now to just move the dns`
`19:38.02`	`Patlabor221`	`yay and all the links are working`
`19:38.27`	`Patlabor221`	`need to work that zero logo one of these days, looks too dark to me`
`19:38.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`2,3 Mbits/s is 230 kb/s ?`
`19:39.22`	`Patlabor221`	`kBytes?`
`19:39.31`	`doughecka`	`2300`
`19:39.34`	`Patlabor221`	`divide by 8`
`19:39.51`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`2300 kb per sec?`
`19:40.00`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:40.05`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wow#`
`19:40.07`	`Patlabor221`	`k bits`
`19:40.19`	`Patlabor221`	`well most browsers register stuff in bytes`
`19:40.23`	`Patlabor221`	`so you divide by 8`
`19:40.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ha????`
`19:40.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`confused`
`19:40.38`	`Jormungandr`	`a byte is 8 bits`
`19:40.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i only want how many kb per sec`
`19:40.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i know`
`19:41.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it would be 294 kBytes`
`19:41.12`	`Patlabor221`	`well what do you mean by kb, bits or bytes?`
`19:41.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`19:41.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`dunno`
`19:41.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:D`
`19:41.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`when i download`
`19:41.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`blabla/sec`
`19:41.37`	`Patlabor221`	`that's bytes`
`19:41.41`	`Patlabor221`	`divide by 8`
`19:41.51`	`Patlabor221`	`that converts bits to bytes`
`19:42.26`	`Patlabor221`	`2.3 mega bits download will be about 294 kilo bytes a sec`
`19:42.41`	`Patlabor221`	`rather good speed`
`19:42.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`qdsl :)`
`19:42.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I get 1.5 megs down`
`19:42.58`	`Patlabor221`	`sometimes higher`
`19:43.03`	`Patlabor221`	`how much a month?`
`19:43.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`what`
`19:43.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`99 $`
`19:43.15`	`Patlabor221`	`ouch`
`19:43.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`BTW �`
`19:43.25`	`Patlabor221`	`for a hunder I can get 6 megs down`
`19:43.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`its the same`
`19:43.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`19:43.38`	`Patlabor221`	`what is the same?`
`19:43.56`	`Jormungandr`	`I get FE speeds, but don't want to overuse it, since I pay by 300GB increments/mo`
`19:43.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i need 50$ per moth with good speed which dsl is that`
`19:44.10`	`Jormungandr`	`right now I pay for 600GB/mo`
`19:44.13`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patty �uro = $ollers`
`19:44.18`	`Patlabor221`	`I pay $50 a month for 1.5 down 256k up`
`19:44.26`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah I know`
`19:44.29`	`Patlabor221`	`kinda sucks`
`19:44.29`	`Jormungandr`	`mine is same up/down :)`
`19:44.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I could get sync dsl`
`19:44.44`	`Patlabor221`	`1.1 both ways`
`19:44.45`	`Jormungandr`	`but that's not my home connection, which is cable.`
`19:44.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i pay $50 for 80`
`19:45.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ouch`
`19:45.08`	`Jormungandr`	`which is unpredictable bandwdth wise`
`19:45.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I live the the state of bandwith tho`
`19:45.57`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`19:46.22`	`Patlabor221`	`well as soon as the dns entry updates www.bakdigital.com should be back`
`19:46.31`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`19:46.38`	`Jormungandr`	`what's the dns timeout set to?`
`19:46.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patty?`
`19:46.57`	`Patlabor221`	`timeout?`
`19:47.03`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`19:47.12`	`Jormungandr`	`dns has a time to live variable`
`19:47.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`But i could pay 1536 kbit/s Download, 192 kbit/s Upload 50$ aswell`
`19:47.29`	`Patlabor221`	`I use a dynaimc one`
`19:47.33`	`Patlabor221`	`up to 5 min`
`19:47.38`	`Jormungandr`	`so when my dns server queries yours, yours tells me that the entry is good for "x seconds".`
`19:47.53`	`Patlabor221`	`tea yeah that's like normal DSL, that's about what we pay here`
`19:47.58`	`Jormungandr`	`mine is set to 600 seconds for the most part.`
`19:47.59`	`Patlabor221`	`that's very simiar to mine`
`19:48.04`	`*** join/#bzflag larsl (~larsl@c213-100-62-28.swipnet.se)`
`19:48.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I use no-ip.com`
`19:49.30`	`Patlabor221`	`can you get to http://www.bakadigital.com`
`19:49.39`	`Patlabor221`	`and does it say Asgard says Hi! ?`
`19:49.43`	`Jormungandr`	`the linux default is 604K seconds (7 days) and most don't change it.`
`19:49.46`	`Jormungandr`	`very sad.`
`19:50.04`	`Patlabor221`	`thats a long time`
`19:50.16`	`Jormungandr`	`yes... got asgard says hi`
`19:50.23`	`larsl`	`And a lot of graphics.`
`19:50.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know how to run a dns, so I just give them $24 a yean and they do it.`
`19:50.37`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`19:50.56`	`Patlabor221`	`and I get instant access to add/remove/change any sub domains`
`19:50.58`	`larsl`	`And a typo. =)`
`19:51.03`	`doughecka`	`why pay them? I dont`
`19:51.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sure there are many of them`
`19:51.17`	`doughecka`	`I use no-ip too`
`19:51.21`	`Patlabor221`	`doug, I get my own domain, not one of theres`
`19:51.27`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:51.28`	`Patlabor221`	`hence bakadigital`
`19:51.34`	`doughecka`	`I get ya`
`19:51.40`	`Patlabor221`	`not no-ip.com or antying`
`19:51.43`	`Patlabor221`	`those are free`
`19:51.48`	`doughecka`	`k`
`19:51.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I do use there kicks-ass.net sometimes.`
`19:52.01`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patty: mine is 768 kbit/s , but i can be 24hours online and only pay 50� a month`
`19:52.03`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`19:52.13`	`Patlabor221`	`realy, that' sucks`
`19:52.21`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh can be online 24 sorry`
`19:52.33`	`Patlabor221`	`if that was out here it would just seem a bit expensive`
`19:52.52`	`Patlabor221`	`base DSL is 1.5 megs down 128k up for 39$ a month`
`19:53.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`19:53.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:O(`
`19:53.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Germany is expensiv with electronics`
`19:53.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I pay $10 more a month for 256 up and garuntied 784 down`
`19:54.17`	`larsl`	`200 SEK/month (about $20) for 10 Mbit/s (half duplex).`
`19:54.52`	`Patlabor221`	`10 megs? on a dsl? or cable?`
`19:54.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Downstreams u 2304 kbit/s Upstream is zu 256 kbit/s`
`19:54.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`, 50 $ month , hows that`
`19:55.06`	`Patlabor221`	`teah that is good`
`19:55.20`	`Patlabor221`	`that's almost 2x faster then my download`
`19:55.34`	`Patlabor221`	`but do you realy need that speed?`
`19:55.37`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Some kind of cable, I suppose. I have a RJ45-connector in the wall.`
`19:56.01`	`Patlabor221`	`must be a centeralised connection in your comunity`
`19:56.08`	`Patlabor221`	`like a coule t3s`
`19:56.38`	`doughecka`	`larsl: you live in a uni or somethin?`
`19:56.46`	`larsl`	`doughecka: No, in Sweden. =)`
`19:56.58`	`doughecka`	`university? :)`
`19:57.21`	`larsl`	`doughecka: Well, I go to a university, but the connection is at home.`
`19:57.25`	`Patlabor221`	`you sure its' full 10 megs to the net?`
`19:57.35`	`doughecka`	`larsl: huh`
`19:57.42`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Yes, 10 Mbit/s. Not full duplex, though.`
`19:57.48`	`doughecka`	`larsl: so they have CAT-5 running to each house?`
`19:57.48`	`Patlabor221`	`odd`
`19:57.54`	`Patlabor221`	`that would take 6 T1's`
`19:58.00`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: wow`
`19:58.04`	`Patlabor221`	`but maybe they have difrent dedicated lines there`
`19:58.12`	`larsl`	`In Sweden the politicians have really been pushing broadband. They think it's as important as water and phone connections.`
`19:58.20`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`19:58.30`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`19:58.36`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby direct fiber to the house running net and phone.`
`19:58.41`	`doughecka`	`sheesh`
`19:58.50`	`Patlabor221`	`tea I don't think I can dcc`
`19:58.53`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`19:58.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wanted to copy somthing in`
`19:59.15`	`doughecka`	`is it a dinamic IP?`
`19:59.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm behind a firewall`
`19:59.38`	`doughecka`	`er, larsl?`
`19:59.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`nevermind`
`19:59.54`	`larsl`	`doughecka: Yes, dhcp. But they almost never change it.`
`19:59.58`	`doughecka`	`larsl: ah`
`20:00.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i send u the virus per email then patty`
`20:00.02`	`doughecka`	`larsl: thats nice`
`20:00.13`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;D`
`20:01.09`	`larsl`	`~seen mmu_man`
`20:01.09`		`mmu_man is currently on #bzflag (1h 13m 17s)`
`20:03.29`	`Patlabor221`	`you can try, but it won't get past my mailserver`
`20:03.55`	`Patlabor221`	`food time`
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`20:06.47`	`Noodleman`	`moo`
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`20:14.50`	`Cell`	`damn difficult to understand: minimizing of DFA`
`20:15.00`	`Cell`	`i dont get it`
`20:16.31`	`Cell`	`hm, play a chest round of GOTHIC`
`20:16.46`	`Cell`	`cheat/chest`
`20:17.02`	`Cell`	`instead`
`20:17.25`	`Cell`	`damn automton stuff`
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`20:56.07`	`bzgirl`	`hello`
`20:56.18`	`Patlabor221`	`hallo`
`20:56.53`	`bzgirl`	`hey Patlabor221, any diff in a .map and .bzw file?`
`20:57.13`	`Jormungandr`	`nope`
`20:57.17`	`Jormungandr`	`same thing`
`20:57.22`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:59.52`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`21:00.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it dosn't even realy need an extension`
`21:00.03`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just test`
`21:00.05`	`Patlabor221`	`text`
`21:01.33`	`bzgirl`	`ok, my client freezes on my map, just trying to figure out why`
`21:01.50`	`Patlabor221`	`more then likeky bad Teleporter links`
`21:01.57`	`Patlabor221`	`that's the most common cause`
`21:02.03`	`bzgirl`	`i put a building partially on a base, maybe thats it (no teles)`
`21:02.25`	`bzgirl`	`theres only 2 buildings and 2 bases in the map so far`
`21:02.29`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm never heard of base issues, but you never know`
`21:02.34`	`bzgirl`	`so im off to a bad start :)`
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`21:04.10`	`bzgirl`	`hi Ginku`
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`21:25.48`	`larsl`	`I have a map that makes the client freeze too. I don't know why, I don't even know where to start looking. =P`
`21:27.06`	`larsl`	`Oh, bad teleporters? I have quite a few of them, and they don't seem to work correctly. I'll check that.`
`21:27.29`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the links that are bad, not the teleporters`
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`21:41.59`	`Jormungandr`	`if it's a ctf map, make sure the bases don't have anything on top of them.`
`21:43.14`	`doughecka`	`oh?`
`21:45.17`	`larsl`	`Is it OK if the bases have other (higher) boxes right next to them?`
`21:45.33`	`Patlabor221`	`it should be`
`21:45.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't see what bz would complain about`
`21:45.44`	`doughecka`	`like TimRiker's map`
`21:46.01`	`Patlabor221`	`but if you have a bad map that seems to have base problems send it to me, I can debug`
`21:46.29`	`larsl`	`It's probably the teleporters, though. They don't work the way I want them to, I'm cleaning up the Perl code right now.`
`21:46.58`	`doughecka`	`but if you have base problems send it to patlabor221, he can debug`
`21:47.02`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`21:50.43`	`Noodleman_work`	`p3rL w00w00!`
`21:50.55`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:57.14`	`Jormungandr`	`newdulmahn, make me an admin bot!`
`21:57.15`	`Jormungandr`	`;)`
`21:57.31`	`doughecka`	`Yea!`
`21:58.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`21:58.31`	`Jormungandr`	`I could technically leave a little early from work today, since I am close to overtime.`
`21:58.38`	`Noodleman_work`	`i'll work on it tonight`
`21:58.42`	`Jormungandr`	`cool :)`
`21:59.39`	`doughecka`	`They asked everyone in the room "what would you do with a million dollars?" when it was my turn to answer I said "I would become a heavily armed recluse in a sparsely populated western state with intention of training disciples to dispatch of pyramid growth scams".`
`21:59.58`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:00.32`	`Jormungandr`	`s/to dispatch of pyramid growth scams/to dispatch of SPAMmers worldwide/g`
`22:01.01`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:01.12`	`doughecka`	`^^^ quote taken from slashdot`
`22:01.14`	`Jormungandr`	`you could assassinate a handful of high profile spammers and the rest of the spamming world would be in fear.`
`22:01.28`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:01.58`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`22:02.05`	`Jormungandr`	`that's an idea.`
`22:02.19`	`doughecka`	`AND reports back the ip address, location, all the info about the person, and fries the motherboard while its there`
`22:02.19`	`Jormungandr`	`checks for specific spamming software and if it finds it "format c:"`
`22:02.24`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:02.31`	`Jormungandr`	`if not, it removes itself.`
`22:02.48`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`22:02.52`	`Jormungandr`	`ooooh.. make a REALLY awesome spam software.`
`22:02.55`	`doughecka`	`is there spamming software?`
`22:02.59`	`Jormungandr`	`but hide a trojan in it.`
`22:03.00`	`Jormungandr`	`yes.`
`22:03.02`	`Jormungandr`	`a lot`
`22:03.05`	`doughecka`	`hrm, oh yea :)`
`22:03.14`	`Jormungandr`	`make it FREE!`
`22:03.15`	`doughecka`	`I got one of them windows messenger ads about it`
`22:03.24`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hmm, yea! :)`
`22:03.33`	`Jormungandr`	`then when they least expect it, boom!`
`22:03.36`	`Jormungandr`	`format c:`
`22:03.43`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:05.09`	`larsl`	`Actually, that's a great idea.`
`22:05.13`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:05.38`	`doughecka`	`hah, now you owe me 2 billion bucks`
`22:05.43`	`Jormungandr`	`it can gather information about how they do the spamming, places they use for relaying, etc.`
`22:06.00`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hmm, we could put it all in the EULA :)`
`22:06.02`	`larsl`	`The software contacts a central server every now and then, and retrieves commands that it should execute.`
`22:06.09`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`22:06.27`	`Noodleman_work`	`one word: etherkillers`
`22:06.32`	`doughecka`	`or better yet, it aint even a spamming software, we just hype it all up`
`22:06.33`	`larsl`	`This week: del My documents/.`
`22:06.40`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:06.47`	`Jormungandr`	`doug.. they'd catch on pretty quick.`
`22:06.52`	`Jormungandr`	`you'd want to build a trust first.`
`22:06.56`	`Jormungandr`	`then spring the trap`
`22:06.57`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hmm`
`22:07.07`	`Jormungandr`	`it would SO work.`
`22:07.21`	`Jormungandr`	`almost scarily so.`
`22:07.41`	`larsl`	`Unfortunately it would probably be illegal.`
`22:08.05`	`doughecka`	`move to... um.... sweden or something`
`22:08.18`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah.. but the company who distributes it would magically disappear.`
`22:08.36`	`Jormungandr`	`"who was that masked man?"`
`22:08.37`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: ah`
`22:08.41`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: lol`
`22:08.51`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:08.52`	`Jormungandr`	`<william tell overture plays>`
`22:08.55`	`doughecka`	`or GPL it :)`
`22:08.58`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:09.07`	`doughecka`	`exept the binary would be... patched`
`22:09.09`	`larsl`	`Ack, then the spammers could see the source.`
`22:09.13`	`larsl`	`Oh, yeah. =)`
`22:09.18`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:09.26`	`Jormungandr`	`spammers are too lazy to compile their own.`
`22:09.34`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`22:09.47`	`doughecka`	`I bet they dont even know what compile mean`
`22:09.49`	`doughecka`	`s`
`22:09.50`	`Chestal`	`any taken a look at Ice at http://www.zeroc.com/ ?`
`22:09.52`	`Jormungandr`	`true`
`22:10.22`	`doughecka`	`I just did`
`22:10.28`	`doughecka`	`whats it do?`
`22:10.30`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:11.21`	`Jormungandr`	`interesting chestal`
`22:11.26`	`Chestal`	`kind of a lightweight and modernized CORBA, but one that looks promising`
`22:11.28`	`doughecka`	`"Trench Wars"`
`22:11.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i need a massage`
`22:11.39`	`Chestal`	`I thnk the peopel that made it are former IONA people`
`22:14.31`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
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`22:37.52`	`Noodleman_work`	`last night as i rest on my pillow,`
`22:38.01`	`Noodleman_work`	`last nigt as i lay on my bed,`
`22:38.10`	`Noodleman_work`	`i stuck my feet out of the window`
`22:38.19`	`Noodleman_work`	`by morning my neighbors were dead!`
`22:38.28`	`Noodleman_work`	`bring back, bring back`
`22:38.38`	`Noodleman_work`	`oh bring back my neighbors to me, to me!`
`22:38.51`	`Noodleman_work`	`bring back, bring back,`
`22:39.01`	`Noodleman_work`	`oh bring back my neighbors to me!`
`22:42.35`	`mmu_man`	`I'm sooooooo close to getting it running :-(`
`22:42.36`	`mmu_man`	`http://80.13.222.204:81/shot_BZFlag_001.png`
`22:43.18`	`Noodleman_work`	`hey cool!`
`22:43.21`	`Noodleman_work`	`bzflag on beos!`
`22:43.37`	`Patlabor221`	`umm I hate to tell you this`
`22:43.38`	`mmu_man`	`well it runs for 3 seconds then app_server kills it because it deadlocks :-(`
`22:43.44`	`Patlabor221`	`that's the wrong version`
`22:43.48`	`Patlabor221`	`that's 1.8`
`22:43.49`	`mmu_man`	`?`
`22:43.56`	`mmu_man`	`that's teh cvs from 2 days ago`
`22:43.57`	`Patlabor221`	`1.8 is dead`
`22:44.04`	`Patlabor221`	`welll you see`
`22:44.05`	`mmu_man`	`hmm maybe a week ago =)`
`22:44.11`	`mmu_man`	`ah ?`
`22:44.14`	`Patlabor221`	`1.8 was a failed rewrite`
`22:44.24`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's not been pulled from cvs yet`
`22:44.29`	`mmu_man`	`well, maybe the next one will be easier to port then :P`
`22:44.36`	`Patlabor221`	`you want to get the v1_7 tag`
`22:44.48`	`Patlabor221`	`1.8 will not have any new work done on it`
`22:44.59`	`mmu_man`	`hmmm`
`22:45.02`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy 1.7 may be harder`
`22:45.03`	`mmu_man`	`k`
`22:45.07`	`mmu_man`	`well I'll make patches anyway`
`22:45.14`	`mmu_man`	`we'll see`
`22:45.18`	`Patlabor221`	`there are no 1.8 servers`
`22:45.24`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not even feature complete`
`22:45.38`	`Patlabor221`	`the next release will be 1.7g2`
`22:45.50`	`Patlabor221`	`when you do a cvs do a -r v1_7`
`22:45.51`	`Chestal`	`yes, like 4 weeks ago ;-)`
`22:45.51`	`mmu_man`	`is this documented on teh website or did I miss something ? :)`
`22:46.09`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not well docuemnted`
`22:46.16`	`Chestal`	`mmu: it's a well-known secret`
`22:46.18`	`Patlabor221`	`there were problems moving 1.8 out of the head of CVS`
`22:46.28`	`Noodleman_work`	`somebody's slackin then :-P`
`22:46.32`	`mmu_man`	`Chestal hmmkay`
`22:46.55`	`Patlabor221`	`LOL proper docs from this project, that will be the day :)`
`22:47.03`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`22:47.04`	`Chestal`	`mmu: maybe your work done so far will help you to do the changes needed for 1.7 very quickly`
`22:47.11`	`mmu_man`	`so I hope`
`22:47.18`	`Patlabor221`	`yes the platfrom stuff should not be too difrent`
`22:47.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I think`
`22:47.36`	`mmu_man`	`and maybe v1.7 doesn't lockup the gl context all the time (that's what prevents it from running now)`
`22:47.46`	`Noodleman_work`	`it's too bad there's not accelerated GL for beos tho :-(`
`22:47.51`	`mmu_man`	`Noodleman_work there is`
`22:47.57`	`Noodleman_work`	`there is??`
`22:48.00`	`Noodleman_work`	`where is it!`
`22:48.01`	`Noodleman_work`	`?`
`22:48.01`	`mmu_man`	`though there are like 2 cards supported...`
`22:48.06`	`mmu_man`	`actually R5 doesn't have`
`22:48.07`	`Noodleman_work`	`which ones?`
`22:48.20`	`mmu_man`	`beacuse when R5 was released, they were rewriting it`
`22:48.25`	`Noodleman_work`	`ah`
`22:48.27`	`mmu_man`	`so R4 had an old GL`
`22:48.36`	`mmu_man`	`and there is a beta ogl for R5.1`
`22:48.42`	`Noodleman_work`	`which cards are supported?`
`22:48.46`	`mmu_man`	`which Zeta (R6) will use`
`22:48.55`	`mmu_man`	`IIRC the new radeons`
`22:48.58`	`mmu_man`	`and another one`
`22:49.01`	`mmu_man`	`GFs aren't :-(`
`22:49.04`	`Noodleman_work`	`geforce?`
`22:49.05`	`Noodleman_work`	`ahhhhhh`
`22:49.15`	`mmu_man`	`well, crappy proprietary nvidia`
`22:49.20`	`mmu_man`	`NVIDIA SUXOR`
`22:49.22`	`Noodleman_work`	`crapola`
`22:49.33`	`mmu_man`	`so`
`22:49.57`	`mmu_man`	`let's make diffs first`
`22:52.31`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Nooooooooooooooodle`
`22:53.55`	`mmu_man`	`vi is really nice when editting diffs...`
`22:53.57`	`mmu_man`	`d/^diff`
`22:54.17`	`Patlabor221`	`so is source safe :)`
`22:55.34`	`Noodleman_work`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: yes?`
`22:57.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`STill problems with stats :(`
`22:57.32`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ok is that it work with IE now :)`
`22:57.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the login`
`23:20.53`	`Noodleman_work`	`muwaha, muwahaHA, MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!`
`23:23.20`	`doughecka`	`bwuhaha`
`23:24.06`	`doughecka`	`bwuhahamwuahahbwuahah`
`23:24.07`	`Noodleman_work`	`ooooh, you are so evil, doughecka`
`23:24.15`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`23:24.19`	`Noodleman_work`	`insult doughecka`
`23:24.20`	`Noodlebot`	`doughecka, thou art like the toad, ugly and venomous.`
`23:24.20`	`doughecka`	`er, bwuaha`
`23:24.28`	`doughecka`	`~insult Noodleman`
`23:24.38`	`Noodleman_work`	`lol`
`23:24.40`	`doughecka`	`more modern`
`23:24.46`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`23:25.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`insult doughecka`
`23:25.30`	`Noodlebot`	`doughecka, thou loathed issue of thy father's loins!`
`23:25.36`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`23:26.55`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman: whats the nearest city near you? something like 15 miles or less`
`23:27.09`	`Noodleman_work`	`bend, oregon`
`23:27.32`	`doughecka`	`oh hah, found a echolink in bend`
`23:27.35`	`Noodleman_work`	`~dict bend, oregon`
`23:27.41`	`Noodleman_work`	`grrrrrr`
`23:27.52`	`Noodleman_work`	`which frequency would it be on?`
`23:28.52`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`23:28.54`	`doughecka`	`I dont know`
`23:29.17`	`Noodleman_work`	`you're slackin, doughecka`
`23:29.19`	`Noodleman_work`	`:-P`
`23:29.23`	`doughecka`	`lol`
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`23:30.09`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`23:30.31`	`mmu_man`	`hmm, so, looks like I'll have to hand patch some files in 1.7`
`23:30.40`	`Noodleman_work`	`what kinds of stuff are you allowed to broadcast?`
`23:30.52`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: no broadcasting at all`
`23:31.14`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: it HAS to be 2 way, exept "testing", radio control, beacons, and stuff`
`23:31.15`	`Noodleman_work`	`well, it's not point-to-point :-)`
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`23:31.25`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: I can call in and say test :)`
`23:31.40`	`Noodleman_work`	`anybody could use a scanner and pick you up`
`23:31.44`	`doughecka`	`hmm, IF I could find a echolink server near you`
`23:31.47`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: yea`
`23:33.34`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`23:33.48`	`doughecka`	`I keep finding lots of people in bend, but no links`
`23:35.38`	`doughecka`	`north bend?`
`23:37.38`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: what else is nearby?`
`23:40.11`	`doughecka`	`hmm, nothing really, your in the center of the state`
`23:46.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`redmond is near by`
`23:46.35`	`Noodleman_work`	`about 15 miles`
`23:46.46`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: hmm, nothing there either`
`23:47.06`	`doughecka`	`there is 1 single registered link, thats in the capital I think`
`23:47.12`	`Noodleman_work`	`there's a [sorta big] airport there, they should have something there :-/`
`23:47.30`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: you would think.. :)`
`23:48.01`	`Noodleman_work`	`haha`
`23:48.52`	`doughecka`	`petti greq what?`
`23:49.22`	`Patlabor221`	`so why are you a voyeure doug?`
`23:49.30`	`Noodleman_work`	`216.228.187.207 <-- noodleman's house`
`23:49.32`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: ?`
`23:49.40`	`Patlabor221`	`looking at houses`
`23:49.41`	`Noodleman_work`	`so go r00t it, suckers :-)`
`23:49.44`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: that helps.. lemme see if it takes ip addresses`
`23:49.47`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`23:49.50`	`Patlabor221`	`follwing people aorund via radio eaves`
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`23:50.09`	`Noodleman_work`	`what does my house look like, doughecka?`
`23:50.14`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`23:50.20`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`23:50.21`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
`23:50.25`	`doughecka`	`still zooming`
`23:52.50`	`Noodleman_work`	`so, have you figured out what my house looks like, doughecka?`
`23:53.00`	`doughecka`	`still lookin`
`23:53.05`	`Noodleman_work`	`hehe`
`23:53.08`	`doughecka`	`theres trees I think`
`23:53.13`	`Noodleman_work`	`duh`
`23:53.19`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`23:53.20`	`Noodleman_work`	`duhuh doi!`
`23:53.27`	`doughecka`	`is that what all the green stuff is?`
`23:53.43`	`Noodleman_work`	`there's a lot of open pasture`
`23:53.43`	`doughecka`	`hah, pin pointed it`
`23:53.50`	`doughecka`	`on the topo map`
`23:53.50`	`Noodleman_work`	`about 6 acres, i think`
`23:54.05`	`doughecka`	`I see it`
`23:54.19`	`doughecka`	`near a cross road? sorta?`
`23:54.21`	`mmu_man`	`hmm`
`23:54.26`	`Noodleman_work`	`not really`
`23:54.45`	`doughecka`	`thomas drive?`
`23:54.51`	`mmu_man`	`if I can get a usable port by next week maybe bzflag will be exhibit on CeBIT :)`
`23:54.59`	`doughecka`	`mmu_man: haha`
`23:55.07`	`mmu_man`	`as there will be the presentation of Zeta`
`23:55.28`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: what side of the street?`
`23:55.29`	`mmu_man`	`that would be nice thing for the game`
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`23:55.55`	`doughecka`	`does it have alot of trees around it? pine trees or something?`
`23:56.12`	`doughecka`	`or the one with the parking lot?`
`23:56.48`	`doughecka`	`http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=3193&y=24391&z=10&w=1`
`23:58.40`	`Noodleman_work`	`gosh, that was 9 years ago`
`23:58.51`	`Noodleman_work`	`things have changed since then`
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`23:59.23`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: lol`
`23:59.29`	`doughecka`	`Noodleman_work: which house?`
`23:59.44`	`larsl`	`mmu_man: BeOS crashed when I tried to play a movie. The kernel panicked and threw me into the debugger. =P`
`23:59.49`	`TimRiker`	`mmu_man: port to what?`

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