irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030302

`00:01.47`	`Patlabor221`	`so what makes the rune game soo fun?`
`00:02.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`People`
`00:02.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Trading weapons, clans, trading armor`
`00:02.37`	`Patlabor221`	`eq, and daoc have that oo`
`00:02.38`	`Patlabor221`	`too`
`00:02.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`For free?`
`00:02.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you just said it was 5 a month to be a member?`
`00:03.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`to be a member`
`00:03.20`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you get with members?`
`00:03.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`More skills`
`00:03.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`More servers`
`00:03.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`00:04.22`	`Patlabor221`	`so, I pay 7more a month for all that pluss better gfx, and support, and bug fixes, and events`
`00:05.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Same with RS`
`00:05.47`	`Patlabor221`	`rs?`
`00:05.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`RuneScape`
`00:05.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`uugh`
`00:05.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`00:06.06`	`Patlabor221`	`how often to the change the game?`
`00:06.50`	`larsl`	`How do I set the number of teams when I start bzfs?`
`00:07.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Very`
`00:07.43`	`Patlabor221`	`you set it up with the max players stuff`
`00:07.48`	`Patlabor221`	`put 0 on the teams you don't want`
`00:07.51`	`Patlabor221`	`define very?`
`00:08.06`	`larsl`	`OK.`
`00:08.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Very= Ofter`
`00:08.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`often*`
`00:08.51`	`Patlabor221`	`once a day`
`00:08.53`	`Patlabor221`	`once a week?`
`00:08.56`	`Patlabor221`	`a month?`
`00:09.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Not on a schedule`
`00:09.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whenever its all sorted for bugs and its ready`
`00:09.21`	`Patlabor221`	`I gahterd that but just on average?`
`00:09.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Like the agility skill`
`00:09.35`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh so they don't to realtime incremental patches?`
`00:09.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`00:10.30`	`Patlabor221`	`we get little fixes and tweaks where ever they are done, don't need to wait for a new version or anything`
`00:10.33`	`Patlabor221`	`all autopatched`
`00:10.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Listen: RS was once a single-man project. Just him. Not a big company, not an expert, a geek`
`00:10.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not saying its bad`
`00:10.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You don't have to download`
`00:10.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm just curiious`
`00:11.06`	`Patlabor221`	`what makes it good`
`00:11.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I like the game style`
`00:11.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The concept`
`00:11.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The people`
`00:11.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The fact I'm level 53`
`00:11.52`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm just tring to figure out if it's something specific to that one, or just the mmorgness?`
`00:11.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The fact I own a clan www.avidgamers.com/STC`
`00:11.59`	`Patlabor221`	`out of how many levels?`
`00:12.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`mmorgness?`
`00:12.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Unlimited`
`00:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`you know what a mmorg is?`
`00:12.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`00:12.27`	`Patlabor221`	`masivly multiplayer online roplaying game`
`00:12.34`	`Patlabor221`	`what you are playing`
`00:12.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yes!`
`00:12.41`	`Patlabor221`	`unlimited levels?`
`00:12.50`	`Patlabor221`	`what is the highest level you have ever seen?`
`00:13.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The highest COMBAT level I know of is 153 I beleive`
`00:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it's all skill based isnt' it?`
`00:13.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`00:13.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You can me a mage, theif, attacker w/e`
`00:13.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pure's are hard to kill though`
`00:13.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I hate them, kinda`
`00:13.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Like, training in one or two area and nothing else`
`00:14.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It's pretty cool to duel them, though`
`00:14.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And not lose anything`
`00:14.22`	`Patlabor221`	`yup skill based infinate exp uber system`
`00:14.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Then again, you're not a member`
`00:14.35`	`Patlabor221`	`don't think I need to be`
`00:14.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ummm, there are limits to attacking`
`00:14.55`	`Patlabor221`	`dosn't sound like there are limits on exp`
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`00:15.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No limit on exp, limit on leveling from exp though`
`00:15.35`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC`
`00:15.36`	`Patlabor221`	`per skill?`
`00:15.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`RS is the most entertaining game I have ever plauyed`
`00:15.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hey, MAC`
`00:15.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`per skill`
`00:16.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`In DAOC, can you fish?`
`00:16.04`	`Patlabor221`	`in your 13 years, I would imagine it would be`
`00:16.10`	`Patlabor221`	`no, but you can in EQ`
`00:16.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`cook?`
`00:16.16`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:16.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`steal?`
`00:16.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:16.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`train in agility?`
`00:16.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`lo`
`00:16.45`	`Patlabor221`	`if that is one of your class stats then yes it would go up as you level`
`00:16.47`	`Patlabor221`	`sup max`
`00:16.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`climbing, jumping over low walls, ect.`
`00:16.57`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`00:17.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`climbing hand-holds?`
`00:17.17`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`00:17.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`swinging across spike pits?`
`00:17.31`	`Patlabor221`	`how else do you think asasins get into keeps?`
`00:17.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`walking on slippery logs?`
`00:17.41`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`00:17.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Getting a staff that takes you to a secret city>?`
`00:18.17`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a neclace, and tehre are 3 citys one in each realm`
`00:18.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`00:18.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`$7/month?`
`00:18.41`	`Patlabor221`	`can you take a keep with a catapult, balista, and full seige warfare from an enimy realm`
`00:18.43`	`Patlabor221`	`12`
`00:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`7 more then you pay`
`00:18.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`awesome...`
`00:19.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I might go for that`
`00:19.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Where can I download it from? Besides KaZaa?`
`00:19.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.DAOC.com`
`00:19.27`	`Patlabor221`	`hunh?`
`00:19.30`	`Patlabor221`	`you can't warez it`
`00:19.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`no idea`
`00:19.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can't dl?!`
`00:19.39`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not download`
`00:19.44`	`Patlabor221`	`go buy it`
`00:19.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know`
`00:19.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But I don't wanna`
`00:19.53`	`Patlabor221`	`you need a key`
`00:19.55`	`Patlabor221`	`then you don't play`
`00:20.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`00:20.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Prolly get it later this week`
`00:20.22`	`Patlabor221`	`developers have to eat somehow`
`00:20.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hehe`
`00:20.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`screenies!`
`00:21.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.02`	`Patlabor221`	`www.camelotherald.com`
`00:21.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can you play with other people??`
`00:22.07`	`Patlabor221`	`you allways play with other people`
`00:22.12`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a persistant world`
`00:22.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Awesome`
`00:22.21`	`Patlabor221`	`and it has hats! :)`
`00:22.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wanna join together?`
`00:22.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm allready in`
`00:22.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`00:22.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I own it and the expansion`
`00:22.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Can I join?`
`00:22.45`	`Patlabor221`	`playing right now`
`00:22.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I mean...`
`00:22.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Like, make a clan?`
`00:22.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I g2g`
`00:22.58`	`Patlabor221`	`if you buy the game you can go on any server you want`
`00:23.01`	`Patlabor221`	`a guild?`
`00:23.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok`
`00:23.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bye`
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`00:23.09`	`Patlabor221`	`you need money for a guild`
`00:25.47`	`captain_proton`	`silly humans!`
`00:25.53`	`Patlabor221`	`that they are`
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`01:21.48`	`doughecka`	`'lo hardwire`
`01:22.10`	`hardwire`	`hiii hiiii doughecka!`
`01:22.31`	`doughecka`	`got your licence?`
`01:22.32`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`01:22.39`	`hardwire`	`nnoooooooooooooooooooooo`
`01:22.47`	`hardwire`	`so`
`01:22.51`	`hardwire`	`I hav ebeen working on that`
`01:23.11`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`01:23.18`	`doughecka`	`eham.com has a test too`
`01:23.21`	`doughecka`	`I think`
`01:23.21`	`hardwire`	`neat`
`01:24.47`	`doughecka`	`2 terabyte server in a pc sized case... http://anthrax.ds.pg.gda.pl/server/`
`01:25.11`	`doughecka`	`almost`
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`01:35.32`	`paul`	`doughecka: www.fibrenetix.co.uk`
`01:37.05`	`doughecka`	`:P`
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`01:46.08`	`larsl`	`Do I have to add link objects for a teleporter that isn't supposed to teleport you anywhere?`
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`10:15.31`	`hoda`	`Hi`
`10:15.57`	`hoda`	`I found a proggy to export a mesh to c++ open_gl`
`10:17.02`	`Cell`	`yes i know but thats lame`
`10:17.28`	`hoda`	`whats lame is using raw Open_gl to describe your media`
`10:17.42`	`Cell`	`that means`
`10:17.47`	`hoda`	`that pretty much eliminates your artist input`
`10:18.20`	`Cell`	`normally its a static mesh i quess?`
`10:18.32`	`Cell`	`no animation`
`10:18.45`	`Cell`	`its converted into a display list`
`10:18.47`	`hoda`	`i dont think itd even be worth attempting any form of deforming animation`
`10:19.07`	`Cell`	`why not`
`10:19.12`	`hoda`	`youd have to code it`
`10:19.22`	`hoda`	`thats why they invented 3ds max a decade ago`
`10:19.33`	`hoda`	`the most powerful 3d content creator`
`10:19.41`	`hoda`	`or one of`
`10:20.07`	`Cell`	`yes but you need a game engine then that supports max animation format`
`10:21.19`	`hoda`	`ASE`
`10:21.29`	`hoda`	`ascii scene export`
`10:21.30`	`Cell`	`theere a two types of mesh animations, morphs and skeletal`
`10:21.46`	`Cell`	`yes ase is supported by max`
`10:21.49`	`hoda`	`i thought it was fraME and skeletal`
`10:22.05`	`hoda`	`well im saying max can export to many usable forms of 3d data`
`10:22.13`	`Cell`	`oh, some call it morphs`
`10:22.22`	`Cell`	`because it vertex is animated`
`10:22.28`	`Cell`	`each vetex`
`10:23.12`	`Cell`	`then you need a collision detection system`
`10:25.03`	`hoda`	`I may start a project to clone freespace 2 btw`
`10:25.48`	`hoda`	`If your interested in helping thatd be cool`
`10:25.48`	`Cell`	`i would use a bsp tree, because it allows you to make a collision test with n 3d planes in log n steps`
`10:26.28`	`Cell`	`freespace ?`
`10:26.50`	`hoda`	`it was a descent 2 engine mod`
`10:27.01`	`hoda`	`really impressive for being a descent 2 engine`
`10:27.13`	`hoda`	`open space (infinite)`
`10:27.17`	`Cell`	`oh, thats to big`
`10:27.21`	`hoda`	`MASSIVE capital ships`
`10:27.25`	`hoda`	`i have torque`
`10:27.36`	`hoda`	`thats the only reason id do it`
`10:27.53`	`Cell`	`how is torgue?`
`10:27.58`	`hoda`	`I was talking to someone like last week and they just added beam weaponry`
`10:28.01`	`Cell`	`i know its from garage games`
`10:28.09`	`hoda`	`and beams are essential to fs2 clone`
`10:28.14`	`hoda`	`its a whore`
`10:28.22`	`Cell`	`yeah, thought so`
`10:28.33`	`hoda`	`i wont be able to mod shit engine wise for several years`
`10:28.43`	`hoda`	`but its gotta mile long feature list`
`10:29.00`	`Cell`	`i want to make a game too, but much simpler`
`10:29.12`	`hoda`	`Im into 3d`
`10:29.16`	`Cell`	`me too`
`10:29.30`	`hoda`	`i could make a game like bzflag with torque in like 2 hours`
`10:29.55`	`Cell`	`lol, sdont undeastimate bzflag`
`10:30.14`	`hoda`	`what would bzflag have that torque didnt?`
`10:30.29`	`hoda`	`out of curiosity`
`10:30.35`	`Cell`	`tell me how you would do bzflag clone, step by step`
`10:30.44`	`Cell`	`with torque`
`10:30.47`	`hoda`	`I would replace actor with tank`
`10:30.52`	`Cell`	`ok`
`10:30.58`	`hoda`	`then make weapons and huds`
`10:31.03`	`hoda`	`and a map`
`10:31.06`	`Cell`	`ok`
`10:31.10`	`hoda`	`then do content`
`10:31.26`	`hoda`	`maybe get a master server setup`
`10:31.34`	`Cell`	`and now comes the network part`
`10:31.41`	`hoda`	`but the scripting would take more than 2 hours`
`10:31.51`	`hoda`	`i instantly have network of 128 players`
`10:32.06`	`hoda`	`teams are a different thing`
`10:32.22`	`hoda`	`id have to whip up a generic team gui and hud thing`
`10:32.43`	`hoda`	`and then its just details and content`
`10:32.46`	`Cell`	`hmm, sounds good`
`10:33.06`	`hoda`	`bz flag is better than torque becuase its totally opensource`
`10:33.26`	`Cell`	`yeah, but its difficult to extend`
`10:33.33`	`hoda`	`a torque bzflag game would have to be developed by the team only`
`10:33.37`	`hoda`	`well lol`
`10:33.55`	`hoda`	`thats why im saying ANYTHING IS BETTER than raw open_gl C++`
`10:34.19`	`Cell`	`you buyed torque?`
`10:34.22`	`hoda`	`they said they were gonna use md2 from q2`
`10:34.24`	`hoda`	`yeah`
`10:34.29`	`Cell`	`how much?`
`10:34.33`	`hoda`	`100$`
`10:34.43`	`Cell`	`oh pretty much`
`10:34.57`	`hoda`	`it is way too much`
`10:35.06`	`hoda`	`they should have priced it at 50$`
`10:35.07`	`Cell`	`if i dont like it, i waste money`
`10:35.31`	`hoda`	`i DO NOT LIKE the GG's staff`
`10:35.42`	`Cell`	`does it support 3d studio max?`
`10:35.52`	`hoda`	`it supports almost all editors`
`10:36.07`	`hoda`	`maybe maya soon`
`10:36.17`	`Cell`	`do you code only per script?`
`10:36.34`	`hoda`	`per script?`
`10:36.45`	`Cell`	`by scripting`
`10:36.48`	`hoda`	`yeah`
`10:37.10`	`Cell`	`there is no evaluation version i quess?`
`10:37.14`	`hoda`	`if you change server->client features that need network activity you gotta code that`
`10:37.19`	`hoda`	`binaries`
`10:37.29`	`Cell`	`ah`
`10:38.14`	`Cell`	`i look at the website`
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`12:39.24`	`ak\|ra`	`hi`
`12:40.40`	`larsl`	`I just saw something weird on xmission; a tank grabbed a team flag that wasn't on the same level as him (he was on the floor, the tank was on the runway high above him) and he captured it by driving in _under_ the base, not _on_ the base.`
`12:40.56`	`larsl`	`Is it possible to hack the client to do that, or is it a server bug?`
`13:15.45`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
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`13:32.33`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
`13:36.26`	`larsl`	`ibot, what about the other servers?`
`13:36.26`		`larsl: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about`
`13:37.04`	`larsl`	`~nickometer larsl`
`13:37.04`		`'larsl' is 0.000% lame, larsl`
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`13:46.56`	`bomber`	`moin`
`13:49.53`	`[dmp]`	`hi`
`13:53.12`	`larsl`	`I can't get the -g option to bzfs to work, it won't quit when the game is over.`
`13:53.31`	`larsl`	`How does it work?`
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`14:01.44`	`[dmp]`	`hi tea`
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`14:12.36`	`larsl`	`-maxidle won't work either...`
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`14:15.10`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`14:15.33`	`Chestal`	`lars: maxidle should work, what makes you think it doesn't?`
`14:16.17`	`larsl`	`I'm not saying there's a bug, but I just can't get it to work. It won't kick players that idle or pause longer than the specified time.`
`14:16.34`	`Chestal`	`pausing tanks won't be kicked`
`14:16.41`	`Chestal`	`only tanks which are dead for a longer amount of time`
`14:16.44`	`Chestal`	`check /idlestats`
`14:16.57`	`larsl`	`Only dead tanks?`
`14:17.09`	`Chestal`	`if the number shown in idlestats exceeds your -maxidle parameter, they should be kicked`
`14:17.17`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah.. it won't kick anyone who is paused.`
`14:17.20`	`larsl`	`So how do I prevent players from pausing for too long?`
`14:17.30`	`Chestal`	`you don't right now`
`14:18.10`	`Chestal`	`in CTF games this isn't aproblem`
`14:18.23`	`Chestal`	`in FFA, when the player is in a team, a genocide might kill him sooner or later`
`14:18.50`	`larsl`	`I won't allow rogues, so for this server it won't matter.`
`14:19.40`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm enjoying running a CTF server. I scrapped noodleman's helix, though. I made an adaptation to megadome to be a CTF map.`
`14:19.45`	`larsl`	`How do I get the game to restart when I've specified -mts? It restarts when I set a time limit, but not when I set a team score limit.`
`14:19.47`	`Jormungandr`	`now I gotta find time to play it. :)`
`14:21.07`	`Chestal`	`lars: hmm, not sure, never used that. What do you mean by restart? The server can quit itself`
`14:22.54`	`larsl`	`Chestal: With a time limit, you can reconnect when the game is over and play a new game. With a score limit, it doesn't seem to start a new game - the client says "game full or over".`
`14:23.12`	`larsl`	`Chestal: And I haven't managed to get -g to work either. It won't quit when a game is over.`
`14:23.13`	`Chestal`	`lars: even when all players have left?`
`14:23.33`	`larsl`	`Chestal: Hm, didn't think about that.`
`14:24.05`	`Chestal`	`with timed games, when the game is over, all players have to leave before anybody can join again`
`14:24.32`	`larsl`	`Chestal: So it won't quit or start a new game until everyone has quit? Doesn't that mean that a pausing player could block the server from starting a new game?`
`14:25.46`	`Chestal`	`I think when you use -maxidle, the player will be kicked`
`14:25.50`	`Chestal`	`haven't really tried it`
`14:26.05`	`larsl`	`When he's pausing?`
`14:26.27`	`Chestal`	`all players will die when game is over`
`14:26.50`	`Chestal`	`but it's best to try it, maybe with very fast idle kick and low team score`
`14:27.56`	`larsl`	`OK, that seems to work. They get kicked after a while.`
`14:30.41`	`Jormungandr`	`I wonder why -g isn't working for you.`
`14:31.13`	`larsl`	`Could it be that it waits until all players are gone?`
`14:31.29`	`Chestal`	`yes`
`14:31.38`	`larsl`	`I don't need -g now that I know that the game will restart, though.`
`14:32.04`	`Jormungandr`	`what's the use of implementing a forced exit when it doesn't TRULY force the exit.`
`14:32.08`	`Jormungandr`	`seems like a bug to me.`
`14:32.21`	`Chestal`	`it's not a forced exit`
`14:32.27`	`Chestal`	`it just says 'serve one game and exit'`
`14:32.32`	`larsl`	`Maybe you just want to host one game, but let the players chat for a while afterwards.`
`14:33.02`	`Chestal`	`it could be useful to be able to specify a timeout after which player removal is enforced, though`
`14:33.07`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm. maybe a seperate switch to cause the server to force the server to quit after x minutes would be cool.`
`14:33.43`	`larsl`	`bzfs & (sleep X; killall bfzs) =)`
`14:33.49`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`14:34.07`	`Jormungandr`	`if you are doing just a timed game, that'd work :)`
`14:37.33`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
`14:38.58`	`larsl`	`Hum, I'm using -public <msg>, but it doesn't show up when I "Find server". I just see the hostname, no message.`
`14:39.41`	`Chestal`	`server is in server lsit, but your msg doesn'r show? what exactly did you write? -public ???`
`14:40.21`	`larsl`	`-public "Testing a new map: CTF, 2 teams - larsl@users.sf.net"`
`14:40.45`	`larsl`	`It might be in the server list just because it's on my local network.`
`14:41.10`	`Chestal`	`ah`
`14:41.26`	`Chestal`	`add two or three -d options`
`14:41.50`	`Chestal`	`it's probably not getting your hostname correct, can fix this with -publicaddr myfullhostname:port`
`14:42.32`	`larsl`	`I did -publicaddr <IP>`
`14:42.37`	`larsl`	`Is the port required too?`
`14:43.02`	`Chestal`	`only if you don't use 5155 I think`
`14:43.10`	`larsl`	`It seems to be talking to the list server at startup.`
`14:43.12`	`larsl`	`I use 5155.`
`14:43.29`	`Chestal`	`list server will try to connect your server, you should see a connect attempt`
`14:43.36`	`larsl`	`Which port?`
`14:44.04`	`Chestal`	`something liek this: Player [0] accept() from 204.228.134.186:56167 on 7`
`14:44.14`	`larsl`	`I get nothing like that.`
`14:44.21`	`Chestal`	`with this IP?`
`14:44.44`	`larsl`	`No one is trying to connect at all.`
`14:44.50`	`Chestal`	`ah, hmm`
`14:45.03`	`Chestal`	`paste the first few lines of server output`
`14:45.31`	`Chestal`	`or even better tell me your IP/hostname and port so I can try to connect`
`14:45.43`	`larsl`	`213.100.62.28:5155`
`14:46.33`	`Chestal`	`can't connect`
`14:46.43`	`larsl`	`Oh.`
`14:46.52`	`larsl`	`I feel really stupid now.`
`14:47.01`	`Chestal`	`and traceroute stops at 17 cty1-bbrs.vlan2.swip.net (130.244.192.170) 48 ms 45 ms 44 ms`
`14:47.11`	`larsl`	`I edited the config files for my firewall, but I didn't restart it. =P`
`14:47.17`	`larsl`	`Hang on.`
`14:48.15`	`larsl`	`Try connecting now.`
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`14:49.20`	`ak\|ra`	`hi kato`
`14:49.21`	`ak\|ra`	`hi katos`
`14:49.22`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`14:49.53`	`Chestal`	`hi akira`
`14:49.57`	`Chestal`	`larsl: seems to work now`
`14:50.04`	`Chestal`	`larsl: does lsit server also work?`
`14:50.26`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`14:50.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`14:54.16`	`larsl`	`Chestal: Thanks for the help.`
`14:54.44`	`larsl`	`Chestal: I'm restarting it now, with fewer -d switches. =)`
`14:57.08`	`larsl`	`Are there any tools that tries to minimize the number of boxes in a bzworld, while maintaining the total shape?`
`14:57.43`	`Chestal`	`I don't think so`
`14:58.04`	`larsl`	`I might try to hack something, then. Sounds like an interesting problem.`
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`16:23.58`	`[dmp]`	`hi Rembo`
`16:24.04`	`Rembo`	`he`
`16:24.10`	`Rembo`	`i am on pizza`
`16:24.44`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`16:24.53`	`Rembo`	`well....`
`16:24.59`	`Rembo`	`currently pizza is on me`
`16:25.13`	`[dmp]`	`i'm on dust. Clearning up made a big cloud :)`
`16:30.23`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hui`
`16:30.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`dmp :)`
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`17:41.12`	`strayer`	`hi ...`
`17:43.57`	`[dmp]`	`hi strayer`
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`17:44.39`	`strayer`	`oh [dmp]...havn't seen U soooo oong ;p`
`17:44.48`	`strayer`	`long...`
`17:44.52`	`[dmp]`	`hehe`
`17:44.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`17:45.01`	`Rembo`	`am i interupting something ? :)`
`17:45.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
`17:45.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`strayerlein`
`17:45.24`	`strayer`	`not really`
`17:45.31`	`strayer`	`wasn Tea?`
`17:45.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huhu`
`17:45.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wuschl`
`17:45.52`	`Chestal`	`sob`
`17:46.00`	`strayer`	`[TeA\|TrEE]...war echt n tolles match`
`17:46.14`	`strayer`	`'sob'?`
`17:46.20`	`strayer`	`Chestal...?`
`17:46.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ja war sehr anspruchsvoll`
`17:46.41`	`Rembo`	`english`
`17:46.43`	`[dmp]`	`Rembo, strayer: should we arrange a internal match (or two) tonight?`
`17:46.55`	`[dmp]`	`jeg begyndr snart at skrive p� dansk.`
`17:47.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rembo: http://www.google.de/language_tools?hl=de`
`17:47.20`	`Rembo`	`En nu heb ik er genoeg van. Dat gelul in Het duits de hele tijd door Chestal en Tea!`
`17:47.25`	`strayer`	`[dmp]: should be during the next 3.5 hours...cause i need sleep`
`17:47.30`	`Rembo`	`lol`
`17:47.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: gleich wieder match`
`17:47.38`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`17:47.43`	`[dmp]`	`what about now?`
`17:47.53`	`strayer`	`ok :)`
`17:47.54`	`Chestal`	`tea: so ist's gedacht`
`17:47.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ore HoW want match aswell`
`17:47.59`	`Rembo`	`can we wait 13 mkinutes?`
`17:48.05`	`Rembo`	`i am watching start trek`
`17:48.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: .... Fanta is kurz weg`
`17:48.12`	`Rembo`	`or play without me`
`17:48.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`sch�tz mal 1-5 min`
`17:48.29`	`[dmp]`	`i'm asking calico`
`17:48.31`	`strayer`	`[TeA\|TrEE] Chestal will doch jetzt gleich...damit er nicht erst kalt wird`
`17:48.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`fanta ist da`
`17:49.05`	`Chestal`	`tankmann ist aufgetaucht`
`17:49.15`	`Chestal`	`der muss sich aber malkurz warmspielen`
`17:49.29`	`[dmp]`	`what about 20:00 ?`
`17:49.46`	`strayer`	`[dmp]: who?`
`17:49.47`	`Chestal`	`tea: koennt ihr auch zu dritt?`
`17:49.51`	`Rembo`	`in 70 miuntes?`
`17:50.10`	`[dmp]`	`strayer: youi and rembo.. the match`
`17:50.19`	`[dmp]`	`Rembo: yes`
`17:50.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`glaub schon`
`17:50.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ Chestal`
`17:50.39`		`a german gent that enjoys croissants with his pet duck, Tag.`
`17:50.42`	`strayer`	`[dmp]: yupp`
`17:50.42`	`Rembo`	`i can in 70 minutes`
`17:51.16`	`[dmp]`	`I'll notify calico`
`17:51.20`	`*** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@pD9529C4C.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`17:51.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: ja 3 vs 3`
`17:51.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`da wir so nett sind`
`17:51.46`	`Chestal`	`tea: fant sagt 2-2`
`17:51.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`17:51.58`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`moment`
`17:52.07`	`Chestal`	`das koentn ihr ja mal teamintern ausdiskutieren`
`17:53.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`17:53.32`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`leider geht nur 2-2`
`17:53.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`01,9904[TeA\|TrEE]: 01bist fit in bz?`
`17:53.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`10Ginku: 01noch zu fr�h f�r mich, hab noch Arbeit, sorry01,99`
`17:53.49`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o(`
`17:53.50`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`schade`
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`17:54.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: da?`
`17:54.30`	`Chestal`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: immer`
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`17:54.55`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal: bist aber flott im reply , kannst du so schnell meinen namen ein tippen?`
`17:55.06`	`Chestal`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: ne, geht automatisch`
`17:55.16`	`strayer`	`mIRC?`
`17:55.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`huh , wie denn das�`
`17:55.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`?`
`17:55.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`welches irc hastn du?`
`17:55.25`	`Chestal`	`irc ii`
`17:55.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`wetten nur wieder f�r linux`
`17:55.47`	`strayer`	`bestimmt`
`17:56.04`	`Chestal`	`gibt's bestimmt auch f�r win,ist aber tty-Anwendung, das wollt ihr bestimmt gar nicht`
`17:56.14`	`strayer`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: mIRC kann das auch...`
`17:56.19`	`Rembo`	`i am on 5156 to warm up for the tlz slaughter :)`
`17:56.33`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`strayer ja aber per ... strg und pfeil hoch oder so`
`17:56.53`	`strayer`	`[TeA\|TrEE] nope....mit <TAB>`
`17:57.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`strayer oder so;I`
`17:57.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`ach geht hier auch`
`17:57.38`	`strayer`	`na siehst du...`
`17:57.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`aber mann muss erst nen jahr den nick suchen`
`17:58.25`	`strayer`	`hm...tipp doch mal den ersten Buchstaben ein...und probiers dann`
`17:58.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal was los?`
`17:58.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`17:58.40`	`larsl`	`There's something wrong with my XChat, it shows everything in German! =)`
`17:58.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`larsl lol`
`17:59.03`	`Chestal`	`Tea: was denn?`
`17:59.10`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal gehts los`
`17:59.11`	`strayer`	`larsl: this is a bug (or feature) in Ur XChat :)`
`17:59.23`	`Chestal`	`Tea: moment`
`17:59.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal erst wieder die cheats eingeben`
`17:59.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;o)`
`18:00.09`	`strayer`	`cheats....man kann bei bzflag legal cheaten...istn bug in der 3D-engine`
`18:00.35`	`strayer`	`schon bekannt?`
`18:00.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`haeh?`
`18:01.00`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Chestal bin dann auf 59999`
`18:01.06`	`larsl`	`You mean jumping up and shooting through thin boxes?`
`18:01.29`	`strayer`	`larsl...no..i mean that U can drive a bit faster than the rest :)`
`18:02.06`	`strayer`	`it's a known bug from quake....and bzflag's engine bases on the one from quake...`
`18:03.10`	`larsl`	`I'd like a completely authorative server... it would take more bandwidth and CPU, but I think it would be worth it.`
`18:03.40`	`larsl`	`~bzflist`
`18:04.33`	`strayer`	`~ducati ctf`
`18:04.39`	`strayer`	`hm...`
`18:04.59`	`larsl`	`~213.100.62.28`
`18:05.00`		`213.1`
`18:05.04`	`larsl`	`Hum.`
`18:05.19`	`larsl`	`How do I check a server without a short name?`
`18:05.44`	`strayer`	`~'213.100.62.28'`
`18:05.54`	`strayer`	`dunno...but not the way i tried :)`
`18:06.13`	`larsl`	`ibot, what should I type?`
`18:06.14`		`larsl: no idea`
`18:06.54`	`larsl`	`ibot, help!`
`18:06.55`		`WE DON'T NEED NO STINKING HELP MENUS`
`18:07.33`	`larsl`	`~server 213.100.62.28`
`18:08.00`	`*** join/#bzflag trepan (trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`18:08.37`	`larsl`	`Ah. =)`
`18:08.50`	`larsl`	`~bzfquery 213.100.62.28:5155`
`18:11.02`	`larsl`	`ibot, larsl is Lars Luthman, Stockholm, Sweden`
`18:11.03`		`okay, larsl`
`18:11.11`	`larsl`	`~larsl`
`18:11.12`		`i guess larsl is Lars Luthman, Stockholm, Sweden`
`18:11.24`	`larsl`	`ibot, forget larsl`
`18:11.28`		`larsl: i forgot larsl`
`18:12.54`	`larsl`	`larsl is larsl@users.sourceforge.net`
`18:13.02`	`larsl`	`ibot, larsl is larsl@users.sourceforge.net`
`18:13.02`		`larsl: okay`
`18:13.44`	`doughecka`	`~no larsl is <reply> larsl@users.sourceforge.net`
`18:13.45`		`okay, doughecka`
`18:13.48`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`18:13.51`	`doughecka`	`~larsl`
`18:13.52`		`larsl@users.sourceforge.net`
`18:14.01`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`18:14.25`	`doughecka`	`also...`
`18:14.39`	`doughecka`	`~booyea is <action> yells BOOYEAAAAA!!!`
`18:14.39`		`doughecka: okay`
`18:14.41`	`doughecka`	`~booyea`
`18:14.41`		`ACTION yells BOOYEAAAAA!!!`
`18:14.55`	`larsl`	`Heh. =)`
`18:21.45`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`18:22.38`	`Jormungandr`	`~dragon`
`18:23.56`	`larsl`	`Jormungandr: How do you register short names like that?`
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`18:31.18`	`Jormungandr`	`like what, larz?`
`18:31.27`	`Jormungandr`	`for the bot?`
`18:31.38`	`Jormungandr`	`ibot, literal dragon`
`18:31.39`		`dragon is <reply> see bzfquery dragon.org:5155`
`18:32.13`	`Jormungandr`	`that's how ;)`
`18:32.48`	`Jormungandr`	`looks like dragon.org is sorta popular with the non-english speaking crowds lately. :)`
`18:33.03`	`Jormungandr`	`I can't understand the conversations in the logs. :)`
`18:33.14`	`larsl`	`Thanks.`
`18:34.36`	`larsl`	`ibot, towers is <reply> see bzfquery 213.100.62.28:5155`
`18:34.36`		`...but towers is already something else...`
`18:34.51`	`larsl`	`~no, towers is <reply> see bzfquery 213.100.62.28:5155`
`18:35.01`	`larsl`	`ibot, no, towers is <reply> see bzfquery 213.100.62.28:5155`
`18:35.03`		`okay, larsl`
`18:35.09`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`18:35.26`	`larsl`	`Yay, it works. =)`
`18:35.29`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`18:35.50`	`Jormungandr`	`~dragon`
`18:36.21`	`Jormungandr`	`I really want to play some bzflag.. going to have to wait a few hours, when I finish with work, though.`
`18:37.20`	`Jormungandr`	`I want to play my new CTF version of megadome.`
`18:37.55`	`larsl`	`Is there a channel on FreeNode about algorithm design?`
`18:38.03`	`Jormungandr`	`dunno`
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`18:55.27`	`Cell`	`hello mira`
`18:56.37`	`mira`	`how are you?`
`19:03.30`	`mira`	`i need a perl script editor with intelli sense support and syntax highlighting for windows, do you knew any?`
`19:04.30`	`larsl`	`What's intelli sense?`
`19:05.01`	`larsl`	`XEmacs for Win32 has syntax highlighting.`
`19:06.13`	`mira`	`larsl: intelli sense is the same as auto code comlietion`
`19:06.58`	`larsl`	`mira: Oh. XEmacs can do that for all words that you have typed once, but I don't know if it can autocomplete function names that you haven't already used.`
`19:07.01`	`mira`	`if i write object-> i get all its member functions in a pop up win`
`19:08.22`	`larsl`	`I don't think so... but there are thousands of elisp extensions for Emacs, there might be something like that.`
`19:18.38`	`Jormungandr`	`I wonder how noodleman is doing on his perl bot for bzfs administration`
`19:22.06`	`Cell`	`ah mira is my sister`
`19:22.19`	`Cell`	`i showed her how to use irc`
`19:22.31`	`larsl`	`~towers`
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`19:31.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`19:32.14`	`larsl`	`He's not here.`
`19:32.28`	`larsl`	`~seen TimRiker`
`19:32.28`		`timriker <~timr@205.208.222.223> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 1h 11m 29s ago, saying: 'Chestal: excellent!'.`
`19:32.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wasn't that obvious`
`19:32.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`19:32.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Church`
`19:49.01`	`*** part/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@p50803D92.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`19:58.03`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`g2g`
`19:58.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bye`
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`20:23.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello again`
`20:23.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~tlz`
`20:23.18`		`i guess tlz is [TLZ] - "The Legendary ZeeBrothers" - http://www.zeebrothers.de - [TLZ]`
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`20:24.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello patty`
`20:24.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`20:24.32`	`Patlabor221`	`hilo`
`20:24.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`grr`
`20:24.38`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`its full`
`20:24.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`20:24.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`the 59999`
`20:25.31`	`[dmp]`	`tea: http://bzflag.baat.dk/new/server.php <- this is the last info about ducati:5156 my script have gotten.`
`20:25.43`	`[dmp]`	`(s.b.o wanna-be :))`
`20:26.37`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:26.53`	`Patlabor221`	`those are some funny names`
`20:27.00`	`Patlabor221`	`I ike Zibulino, the camper hero`
`20:27.04`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`20:27.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and the man who let the dogs out`
`20:27.16`	`doughecka`	`who says it was a man?`
`20:27.35`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what the name says`
`20:27.41`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:27.43`	`doughecka`	`MrFish`
`20:27.55`	`doughecka`	`Bob has super cow powers`
`20:28.19`	`Patlabor221`	`that's a good one too`
`20:28.38`	`mira`	`how do i texture a character?`
`20:29.06`	`Patlabor221`	`a character?`
`20:29.10`	`mira`	`yes`
`20:29.16`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you mean by character?`
`20:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`a tank?`
`20:29.22`	`mira`	`a 3d modell`
`20:29.28`	`mira`	`no a human`
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`20:29.33`	`Patlabor221`	`what format is it in?`
`20:29.40`	`mira`	`3d studio`
`20:29.48`	`mira`	`3ds`
`20:30.02`	`Patlabor221`	`well there are a number of apps that will read that and let you define texture points`
`20:30.18`	`mira`	`what are texture points?`
`20:30.35`	`Patlabor221`	`you have to define how the texture maps to the model`
`20:30.48`	`mira`	`and then?`
`20:30.54`	`Patlabor221`	`you do that by specifying the texture wrap coords`
`20:31.05`	`Patlabor221`	`then you draw the texture in some grapics program`
`20:31.16`	`Patlabor221`	`milkshsape is good for the texture coordinate maping`
`20:31.27`	`Patlabor221`	`and I use photoshop for drawing the actual image`
`20:31.37`	`Patlabor221`	`but you culd use Gimp too`
`20:32.13`	`mira`	`but how do i handle the distortion,which makes painting very hard?`
`20:32.38`	`Patlabor221`	`that's part of the skill in doing it`
`20:32.59`	`Patlabor221`	`if you do the polygn unwrap you can minimise it`
`20:33.38`	`mira`	`what is that?`
`20:34.30`	`Patlabor221`	`taking the polygons of the model and maping it onto the image`
`20:34.54`	`mira`	`hmm, very difficult to paint`
`20:35.22`	`Patlabor221`	`depends on what app you use`
`20:36.05`	`mira`	`photoshop`
`20:36.24`	`Patlabor221`	`what 3d app do you use?`
`20:36.31`	`mira`	`i will create a color, bump and specular map`
`20:36.50`	`mira`	`i use maya`
`20:37.01`	`Patlabor221`	`I made this texture in photoshop`
`20:37.01`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/mk3tex.png`
`20:37.56`	`mira`	`how did you handle the perspective bottom right image so well?`
`20:38.13`	`Patlabor221`	`the prespective comes from the 3d model`
`20:38.50`	`mira`	`is that the texture or shots of the final textured ship from various perspectives?`
`20:38.51`	`Patlabor221`	`let me show you the raw texture`
`20:38.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`20:38.57`	`mira`	`aah`
`20:38.59`	`Patlabor221`	`that is a rendering`
`20:41.01`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/default.png`
`20:41.52`	`mira`	`wow, looks complicated, how long did you take on the painting?`
`20:42.16`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not that compilcated`
`20:42.23`	`Patlabor221`	`couple hours`
`20:42.58`	`Patlabor221`	`but you can see the how it's nice to flaten all the items`
`20:43.10`	`Patlabor221`	`then you minimise the distortion`
`20:43.33`	`mira`	`yes, see it`
`20:43.57`	`mira`	`what about the seams?`
`20:44.02`	`Patlabor221`	`with charactes you usualy unwrap the hair, face, torso, arms, and legs all speratly`
`20:44.17`	`Patlabor221`	`make the seams in places you would expect them`
`20:44.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I put the seams on hard edges`
`20:44.41`	`Patlabor221`	`like the outside of the shape`
`20:45.01`	`Patlabor221`	`does your model allrady have texture corrdinates? did you make it?`
`20:45.17`	`mira`	`no, i m still trying`
`20:46.27`	`Patlabor221`	`but is it your model? or someone elses?`
`20:47.34`	`mira`	`some else, result should be similar to: http://www.garagegames.com/images/ul/238.elfdoubleshoulderweb.jpg`
`20:48.06`	`Patlabor221`	`and the modeler didn't uv map it, how odd.`
`20:48.09`	`Patlabor221`	`usualy they do`
`20:48.27`	`Patlabor221`	`realy the uv unwrap is the one of the hard parts`
`20:48.58`	`mira`	`cant that be done automatically`
`20:49.24`	`Patlabor221`	`it can but auto unraps look like crap`
`20:49.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and you get distortion`
`20:49.34`	`Patlabor221`	`cus it dosn't know what goes together`
`20:49.58`	`Patlabor221`	`most people use automatic tools on parts`
`20:50.12`	`Patlabor221`	`like a auto cylindrical unwrap on an arm`
`20:50.18`	`Patlabor221`	`then tweak if needed`
`20:50.33`	`mira`	`and how do the artists unwrap high poly models, like the ones needed for videos, manually, has to be a hard job?`
`20:50.45`	`Patlabor221`	`they use tools to help them`
`20:50.57`	`Patlabor221`	`but there is some level of tweaking`
`20:51.11`	`Patlabor221`	`realy high poly geo models can do more with materials tho`
`20:51.17`	`Patlabor221`	`and need less use of textures`
`20:51.33`	`Patlabor221`	`since realy a common use of textures is to simulate items that are not in the model`
`20:51.43`	`mira`	`true`
`20:51.45`	`Patlabor221`	`buttons, clasps, ridges and stuff`
`20:52.28`	`Patlabor221`	`what game are you texturing it for?`
`20:52.50`	`mira`	`its not a game, i just want to learn`
`20:53.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhh`
`20:53.58`	`Patlabor221`	`I would sugest learning on something a little more simple then a full blown character`
`20:54.07`	`Patlabor221`	`organics are the hardest to do`
`20:54.17`	`Patlabor221`	`machines/robots are easer to learn.`
`20:54.51`	`Patlabor221`	`also there are models that allready have UV maps, so you can see how they lay them out.`
`20:54.56`	`mira`	`yes, you are right, i should do something much simplier first`
`20:55.08`	`Patlabor221`	`I started with a box :)`
`20:55.12`	`Patlabor221`	`then worked my way up`
`20:55.54`	`mira`	`a box is a good starting point, i try that`
`20:56.23`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/skin1-2.jpg`
`20:56.28`	`Patlabor221`	`that was the last character I skined`
`20:57.56`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221:that looks great`
`20:58.34`	`Patlabor221`	`it still needs work`
`20:59.04`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
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`21:02.20`	`bzgirl`	`hello`
`21:02.32`	`Jormungandr`	`hi bzgirl.`
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`21:59.23`	`mmu_man`	`wow ! there is a bzflag chan :)`
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`22:00.03`	`Patlabor221`	`of course there is`
`22:00.11`	`mmu_man`	`only need now BeOSDisplay, BeOSVisual and BeOSwindow :)`
`22:00.25`	`mmu_man`	`though I have some wonders abotu those...`
`22:00.29`	`Patlabor221`	`is be still alive?`
`22:00.33`	`mmu_man`	`the header isn't much documented...`
`22:00.35`	`mmu_man`	`sure`
`22:00.53`	`mmu_man`	`well`
`22:00.55`	`mmu_man`	`BeOS is`
`22:01.02`	`mmu_man`	`Be Inc is quasi dead :-(`
`22:01.07`	`mmu_man`	`but BeOs still works :)`
`22:01.07`	`mmu_man`	`http://beunited.org http://openbeos.org http://yellowtab.com`
`22:01.07`	`Patlabor221`	`who maintains it?`
`22:01.44`	`Patlabor221`	`and are there harware drivers for it?`
`22:02.15`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`22:02.28`	`mmu_man`	`sure`
`22:02.45`	`mmu_man`	`Zeta (aka BeOS R6) will have hw ogl`
`22:03.02`	`mmu_man`	`(though not many cards will be ogl-supported :^)`
`22:03.05`	`Patlabor221`	`for what hardware?`
`22:03.35`	`Patlabor221`	`don't see nvida drivers for beOS`
`22:03.59`	`mmu_man`	`there is a unified nvidia driver...`
`22:04.03`	`mmu_man`	`soon to support gf4`
`22:04.13`	`mmu_man`	`I have a GF2 here, works nice`
`22:04.15`	`mmu_man`	`though nvidia sux`
`22:04.16`	`Patlabor221`	`cool`
`22:04.20`	`mmu_man`	`they are less than open`
`22:04.34`	`Patlabor221`	`well at least there drivers don't suck ass like ATIs`
`22:04.48`	`mmu_man`	`but nvidia don't even give sheetts`
`22:04.49`	`Patlabor221`	`and I'm fine with not quite open if it quite works`
`22:04.59`	`mmu_man`	`the dirvers you have for Linux is theirs which isn't opensource`
`22:05.05`	`mmu_man`	`it's justa a wrapper to a closed source lib :-(`
`22:05.14`	`mmu_man`	`ATI on the opposite give specs...`
`22:05.23`	`mmu_man`	`so the support is good on alt OSes...`
`22:05.32`	`mmu_man`	`unlike in win as their own drivers sucks`
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`22:05.35`	`mmu_man`	`=)`
`22:05.54`	`mmu_man`	`so... what is this PassThrough thingy in BzfDisplay ?`
`22:05.55`	`Patlabor221`	`I can't get hardware GL drivers at all for most of my ATI cards`
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`22:06.26`	`mmu_man`	`well, IIRC the radeons are one of the few which will have ogl support in Zeta :^)`
`22:07.00`	`Patlabor221`	`the only ones that have full hardware gl implementaions on linux are the 9700s`
`22:07.08`	`Patlabor221`	`and that thing is unstable as all get out.`
`22:07.13`	`Patlabor221`	`let me look at platfrom`
`22:07.15`	`mmu_man`	`erf`
`22:07.31`	`mmu_man`	`src/mplatform/BzfDisplay.cxx`
`22:08.28`	`Patlabor221`	`hmm from what I can see it's only used for 3dfx cards`
`22:08.31`	`Patlabor221`	`that don't use a real window`
`22:09.05`	`mmu_man`	`ah, yeah I remember reading about oddities on 3dfx... like they had to fake windowed display`
`22:09.14`	`mmu_man`	`so I don't need to implement this ?`
`22:09.16`	`Patlabor221`	`less then that`
`22:09.20`	`Patlabor221`	`it was a 3d only card`
`22:09.32`	`mmu_man`	`right`
`22:09.39`	`Patlabor221`	`so looks like that is only used for voodoo 1 and 2`
`22:09.43`	`mmu_man`	`with a "passthrough" cable =)`
`22:09.50`	`Patlabor221`	`if you don't want to support it, I don't think you need to do anything`
`22:09.58`	`Patlabor221`	`it just has the desired screen size in it`
`22:10.12`	`mmu_man`	`well, I first want to have something to run :)`
`22:10.44`	`mmu_man`	`rez managment should be doable using the BScreen class`
`22:10.48`	`Patlabor221`	`the voodoo3 and later wold work with normal GL`
`22:10.54`	`mmu_man`	`not sure about the Visual thingy`
`22:11.25`	`Patlabor221`	`visual is where you set the open GL options`
`22:11.36`	`Patlabor221`	`since each OS does its own type of PFD`
`22:11.59`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's os specific window making`
`22:12.06`	`mmu_man`	`yeah... :^]`
`22:12.17`	`mmu_man`	`in BeOS it's a method on BWindow I think`
`22:12.43`	`mmu_man`	`so maybe I should create the Bwindow when creating the BzfVisual, then take teh pointer when creating the BzfWindow`
`22:12.53`	`Patlabor221`	`thats one way`
`22:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`on windows they did 2 nested windows`
`22:13.07`	`Patlabor221`	`1 for the app, one for GL`
`22:13.33`	`Patlabor221`	`should be all riped and replaced with sdl`
`22:13.35`	`mmu_man`	`hmm, k`
`22:13.48`	`mmu_man`	`well Bwindows aren't really nestable`
`22:13.58`	`Patlabor221`	`realy?`
`22:13.59`	`mmu_man`	`and BGLView is deprecated`
`22:14.00`	`Patlabor221`	`how odd`
`22:14.12`	`mmu_man`	`the other gui elements herits from BView`
`22:14.16`	`mmu_man`	`no it makes some sence`
`22:14.28`	`mmu_man`	`in win everything is a window...`
`22:14.42`	`mmu_man`	`it's quite odd as well to say this text control is a window :^)`
`22:15.08`	`Patlabor221`	`but it works out rather well`
`22:15.26`	`mmu_man`	`well, ni BeOS everything else is a BView`
`22:15.33`	`mmu_man`	`don't ask why =)`
`22:15.51`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby works just as well, just difrent`
`22:15.56`	`mmu_man`	`yeah`
`22:16.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`In order to start connecting to the internet using Red Hat Linux, the Red Hat PPP Dialer must be configured for use with Kearney.Net. The Red Hat PPP Dialer (or RP3) is a new addition to Red Hat Linux 6.1, and is included in Red Hat Linux 6.2 as well.`
`22:16.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:16.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`1. In order to access the Red Hat PPP Dialer, open up a command prompt and type the following:`
`22:16.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:16.20`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rp3`
`22:16.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`<PROTECTED>`
`22:16.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i dont understand`
`22:16.25`	`mmu_man`	`just the mozilla port is a bit odd, but maybe someday they will use BControls instead of hand drawn windows`
`22:16.27`	`Patlabor221`	`but again it shold all be ripped and replaced with SDL or something, then we don't have to care.`
`22:16.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`oops`
`22:16.35`	`Patlabor221`	`damn tea :)`
`22:16.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Patty explane me this :(`
`22:17.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`when im in rh i just type in my keyboard rp3 ore what?`
`22:17.22`	`Patlabor221`	`hunh?`
`22:17.30`	`Patlabor221`	`rp3?`
`22:17.36`	`Patlabor221`	`rpm?`
`22:17.47`	`larsl`	`Why not just use 'ifup ppp0' ?`
`22:17.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i have no idea from linux`
`22:18.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i just want to go online`
`22:18.06`	`Patlabor221`	`Ive never had to use ppp on linux`
`22:18.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`via redhat`
`22:18.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm allways on broadband`
`22:18.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`just tell me step to step what to do`
`22:18.24`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: Do you have a PPP connection configured?`
`22:18.28`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`on #redhat the couldnt help me`
`22:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know tea`
`22:18.39`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`larsl nope?`
`22:18.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`larsl and i dont know how`
`22:19.22`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: OK... see if you can find a program called 'kppp', it's the KDE PPP connector.`
`22:19.35`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`larsl were is that?`
`22:19.50`	`Patlabor221`	`https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-8.0-Manual/getting-started-guide/ch-ppp.html`
`22:19.53`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: It should be relatively easy (I haven't used it in a couple of years though - I'm also on broadband) =)`
`22:20.01`	`Patlabor221`	`seems they have a wizard thingy`
`22:20.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`no wone can help me :(`
`22:20.25`	`Patlabor221`	`go to that link`
`22:20.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`1. In order to access the Red Hat PPP Dialer, open up a command prompt and type the following:`
`22:20.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`> rp3`
`22:20.34`	`Patlabor221`	`that seems to say how to get setup`
`22:20.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`what does that mean`
`22:20.40`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: Don't RedHat have some kind of configuration GUI? Mandrake has a great one.`
`22:20.52`	`Patlabor221`	`go to that Link`
`22:20.59`	`Patlabor221`	`it shows the graphical thingy`
`22:21.20`	`Jormungandr`	`patlabor221 being technical again "graphical thingy" ;)`
`22:21.38`	`Patlabor221`	`just wording for the target audience`
`22:22.09`	`mmu_man`	`lol`
`22:22.12`	`Patlabor221`	`if I told him it was for the Internet Setup Druid, he would say "huh"`
`22:22.19`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`yeah yeah , laugh me all out`
`22:22.25`	`mmu_man`	`using precise vocabulary should help ...`
`22:22.28`	`Patlabor221`	`actualy they are laughing at me`
`22:22.37`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`well i felt bad`
`22:22.44`	`mmu_man`	`"hey, I can't get the thing on the thing in this thingy window " :)`
`22:22.46`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`because im a n00b in linux`
`22:22.48`	`Patlabor221`	`tea you have rh 8 or 7`
`22:22.48`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`22:22.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`rh 7.3`
`22:22.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh then one sec`
`22:23.05`	`Patlabor221`	`let me get the docs link to that`
`22:23.56`	`Patlabor221`	`here we go`
`22:23.57`	`Patlabor221`	`https://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/getting-started-guide/ch-ppp.html`
`22:24.02`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`thx`
`22:24.06`	`Patlabor221`	`they have a thing called the Internet Configuration Wizard`
`22:24.06`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:24.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`just printing other ;)`
`22:24.20`	`Patlabor221`	`looks similar to the 8 one`
`22:24.29`	`larsl`	`In bzw files, the position of boxes is specified as the middle of the box in the x and y dimensions, but the bottom in the z dimension?`
`22:24.40`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`22:24.49`	`larsl`	`How confusing. =)`
`22:24.58`	`Jormungandr`	`how is that confusing?`
`22:24.59`	`Patlabor221`	`tell me about it`
`22:25.12`	`Patlabor221`	`try drawing a telelporter :)`
`22:25.16`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`22:25.40`	`Patlabor221`	`why is z any difrent from x and y? why is it specal`
`22:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`axis descrimination I say`
`22:25.51`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
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`22:25.58`	`larsl`	`Why are there three size parameters for teleporters? I've never managed to get one that wasn't two-dimensional.`
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`22:26.19`	`Patlabor221`	`there are 4 params actualy`
`22:26.29`	`larsl`	`Really?`
`22:26.33`	`Patlabor221`	`y and z tell how wide and tall it is`
`22:26.41`	`Patlabor221`	`border tells how large the border is`
`22:26.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"Ere, you left your room this morning. Did you think to pray?"`
`22:26.57`	`larsl`	`Yes, but what does X do?`
`22:27.06`	`Patlabor221`	`x says how far the "field" is from the center`
`22:27.06`	`larsl`	`Aaah.`
`22:27.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it should be less then border`
`22:27.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`well then ill reboot to linux and try`
`22:27.16`	`Patlabor221`	`let me find my picture that shows it`
`22:27.18`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`cu later guys`
`22:27.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`need luck :)`
`22:27.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hi, Jeff.`
`22:27.27`	`larsl`	`So that's why all my teleporters have been off-center.`
`22:27.29`	`Patlabor221`	`hello creep`
`22:27.30`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`1st time using Linux :)`
`22:27.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bye`
`22:27.42`	`larsl`	`[TeA\|TrEE]: Good luck.`
`22:27.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`bye`
`22:27.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`o)`
`22:27.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, teatree?`
`22:27.57`		`[STC]_creeperz: are you using Windows?`
`22:28.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, [Tea\|tree]?`
`22:28.11`		`it has been said that [tea\|tree] is the cow who cried moo`
`22:28.11`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Tutorials/Tutorial1/TP.gif`
`22:28.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`22:28.24`	`Patlabor221`	`tha's the anatomy`
`22:28.52`	`Patlabor221`	`brb geting food`
`22:28.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff`
`22:29.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You use ColorCop?`
`22:29.04`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`22:29.12`	`Patlabor221`	`don't know what it is`
`22:29.17`	`Patlabor221`	`bbiab`
`22:29.31`	`larsl`	`Patlabor221: Very nice picture.`
`22:29.33`	`Cell`	`how does the clone stamp work in photo shop?`
`22:29.35`	`Patlabor221`	`like in 15 min`
`22:29.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It tells you the number values for colors in C++ or in HTML`
`22:30.17`	`larsl`	`[STC]_creeperz: Colors in C++?`
`22:30.19`	`Jormungandr`	`Cell: alt-mouseclick selects area you want to clone, then clicking mouse over area to clone to tracks the area to clone.`
`22:30.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`22:30.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Kinda weird...`
`22:30.57`	`larsl`	`[STC]_creeperz: You mean in Visual C++?`
`22:31.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What are you talkin'?`
`22:31.18`	`larsl`	`[STC]_creeperz: What are 'colors' in C++?`
`22:31.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`It defines the numerical value of a color in C++`
`22:31.29`	`Cell`	`Jormungandr: ok , thanks`
`22:31.49`	`larsl`	`[STC]_creeperz: But C++ doesn't have any 'colors'...`
`22:32.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What are you talking about?`
`22:32.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I mean for like a game or a program, man.`
`22:32.13`	`Jormungandr`	`on my way home. back later.`
`22:32.16`	`Jormungandr`	`&`
`22:32.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Peace`
`22:32.29`	`larsl`	`[STC]_creeperz: I just don't understand what you mean. There is no standard for how to code colors in C++.`
`22:32.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.colorcop.com`
`22:33.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmm, not a website anymore...`
`22:33.33`	`larsl`	`Can't find that domain.`
`22:33.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.datastic.com/tools/colorcop.html`
`22:34.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dl the install package`
`22:34.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`22:34.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I have to pee and get more Cinnamin Toast Crunch`
`22:35.21`	`larsl`	`It's some Visual C++ color format.`
`22:36.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`You download it?`
`22:37.00`	`Cell`	`[STC]_creeperz: a better one from Paul Nettle: ftp://ftp.3dmaileffects.com/pub/FluidStudios/Tools/Fluid_Studios_Color_Picker_2.4.zip`
`22:37.18`	`larsl`	`No, I read on the webpage. I don't run Windows, so I didn't download it.`
`22:37.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`22:37.39`	`larsl`	`(it would probably work in Wine, though)`
`22:37.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yes`
`22:37.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Try`
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`22:38.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
`22:39.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot [tea\|tree]`
`22:39.17`		`methinks [tea\|tree] is the cow who cried moo`
`22:39.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`when i go to Netscape , like then google.com it dosnt work`
`22:39.41`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i dunno why :o(`
`22:39.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Maybe because you're using the wrong browser ;)`
`22:39.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:o)`
`22:40.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`?`
`22:40.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`:oP`
`22:40.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`22:40.26`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`confused`
`22:40.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o(`
`22:40.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Heh`
`22:41.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`To me, Netscape sucks... But if thats what floats your boat...`
`22:45.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ahh food`
`22:46.10`	`Patlabor221`	`now what was your question creep?`
`22:47.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nvm`
`22:49.16`	`Patlabor221`	`was that a color picker?`
`22:50.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I g2g bye`
`22:50.43`	`Patlabor221`	`baka`
`22:51.43`	`*** part/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@p50803D92.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`23:04.55`	`larsl`	`~towers`
`23:05.14`	`larsl`	`Cool, people are playing my experimental map. =)`
`23:06.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bye all`
`23:06.59`	`larsl`	`Goodbye.`
`23:07.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`larsl good night :)`
`23:07.15`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`00:05 am here`
`23:07.19`	`larsl`	`Same.`
`23:07.22`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`oh`
`23:07.25`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`were from?`
`23:07.28`	`larsl`	`Stockholm.`
`23:07.34`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`cool`
`23:07.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Munich here`
`23:07.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:)`
`23:07.52`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Germany`
`23:07.54`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`bye then`
`23:08.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Bayern Muenchen :)`
`23:08.12`	`*** part/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E94CEE.dip.t-dialin.net)`
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`23:25.22`	`larsl`	`~larsl`
`23:25.24`		`larsl@users.sourceforge.net`
`23:25.35`	`larsl`	`Good bot.`
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`23:35.06`	`[dmp]`	`hi Noodleman`
`23:35.42`	`Noodleman`	`hey [dmp]`
`23:36.02`	`[dmp]`	`Noodleman: have you seen my site (ladder)`
`23:36.12`	`Noodleman`	`yes, i have`
`23:37.22`	`[dmp]`	`I dont like the idea of having too many bzflag sites, so i wondered (as fiber dont have the time, so he suggested that) we integrate the sites, somehow (sba and mine)`
`23:38.23`	`[dmp]`	`sbo even`
`23:40.46`	`[dmp]`	`guess he didnt like that idea`
`23:41.02`	`Chestal`	`hi dmp`
`23:41.07`	`[dmp]`	`hi ChanServ`
`23:41.09`	`[dmp]`	`oops`
`23:41.16`	`[dmp]`	`Hi chestal :)`
`23:41.28`	`Chestal`	`[dmp]: heh, I'm not that mighty guy ChanServ`
`23:41.49`	`[dmp]`	`stupid habbit :)`
`23:42.17`	`Patlabor221`	`you have a habit of greeting chanserv?`
`23:42.44`	`[dmp]`	`Yes. I like bots, they dont call me names, unless someone tell them to.. They are my friends along with mr Google.`
`23:43.15`	`Patlabor221`	`I see`
`23:43.27`	`Patlabor221`	`~who is your daddy?`
`23:43.28`		`YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants`
`23:44.06`	`[dmp]`	`anyway, perhaps it isnt worth the effort to integrate the ladder with other sites.`
`23:44.24`	`Patlabor221`	`it would be nice if they all linked to each other`
`23:44.36`	`Patlabor221`	`so that when someone hits one they could see the others`
`23:44.45`	`Patlabor221`	`I want to add a links section to bzbb`
`23:45.03`	`Patlabor221`	`that links to stats, ladder, org, and ss`
`23:45.38`	`[dmp]`	`Perhaps i should also ask tim about a ladder-subdomain of bzflag.org.. That would be easier to remember than my local domain.`
`23:45.47`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`23:45.58`	`Patlabor221`	`tim should be willing to do that`
`23:46.11`	`Patlabor221`	`I would like a bzbb.bzflag.org as well`
`23:46.14`	`Patlabor221`	`but after the move`
`23:46.54`	`larsl`	`Is there a hard limit to the number of teleports in a map?`
`23:47.45`	`[dmp]`	`I'll ask Tim next time i see him. And add links to other sites .. after i move theses directories..`
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