irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030223

`00:00.10`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm sure you can make it out of a lawnmower`
`00:00.19`	`doughecka`	`it flys! it hovers!`
`00:00.24`	`doughecka`	`yea....`
`00:03.09`	`Cell`	`error illegal indirection???`
`00:03.12`	`Cell`	`for(int i = 0; i < 3; i++)`
`00:03.12`	`Cell`	`frstm_p[1][i] = O[i]-nearW[i]+hV[i]-w*U[i];`
`00:05.07`	`Patlabor221`	`what is "frstm_p"`
`00:05.26`	`Patlabor221`	`a pointer?`
`00:05.55`	`Chestal`	`'near' again?`
`00:06.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I'll bet frstmn_p is a badly named pointer`
`00:06.34`	`Cell`	`float frstm_p[8][3];`
`00:06.59`	`Patlabor221`	`what is O and W and V and U`
`00:07.00`	`Cell`	`8 points of the frustum`
`00:07.05`	`Patlabor221`	`man that is some ugly code`
`00:07.13`	`Cell`	`float O[3];`
`00:07.14`	`Cell`	`float U[3];`
`00:07.14`	`Cell`	`float V[3];`
`00:07.14`	`Cell`	`float W[3];`
`00:07.21`	`Patlabor221`	`you need to learn how to name stuff`
`00:07.22`	`Cell`	`o origin,`
`00:07.53`	`Cell`	`u camera x, v camera up, w camera target vector`
`00:07.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and some parens`
`00:08.26`	`Cell`	`parens?`
`00:08.32`	`Patlabor221`	`parenthese`
`00:08.37`	`Cell`	`ah`
`00:08.37`	`Patlabor221`	`so you can see the order of ops`
`00:09.05`	`Cell`	`* before + before -`
`00:09.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I know, it's just not easy to see in your code`
`00:09.36`	`Patlabor221`	`one day your gonna have to make code that other people are going to have to work with.`
`00:09.58`	`Cell`	`but i like to keep it short`
`00:10.26`	`Patlabor221`	`and unreadable apernatly`
`00:10.45`	`Patlabor221`	`it also helps you debug problems like this to see where you screwed up`
`00:10.53`	`Patlabor221`	`since you can bracket it together`
`00:11.37`	`Cell`	`ah, ok`
`00:12.32`	`Chestal`	`well, I disagree on the parentheses, I liek to have it short when the order is obvious`
`00:13.15`	`Chestal`	`I sometimes use spacing to emphasize the order, though`
`00:14.02`	`Patlabor221`	`when it's obvious yes`
`00:14.09`	`Patlabor221`	`that one was a bit clutered`
`00:14.34`	`Chestal`	`still ok for me, arithmetic order is obvious always`
`00:14.44`	`Chestal`	`non-obvious are shift-operators and stuff`
`00:15.08`	`Chestal`	`I also thnk that > and && are obvious, but use spaces, like in if (a>b && b>c)`
`00:15.27`	`Patlabor221`	`not all devs are as good at that as you`
`00:15.47`	`Chestal`	`well, but when I indicate t with spaces, it's easy to read`
`00:16.12`	`Cell`	`i hate spaces`
`00:16.27`	`Chestal`	`when anyone sees (a>b && b>c), he shouldn't think that it's a > (b && b) > c or something`
`00:16.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I wold concur with that`
`00:16.42`	`Chestal`	`spaces are useful somezimes`
`00:17.07`	`Chestal`	`I use fewer of them than can be found in bzflag code, though`
`00:18.42`	`Chestal`	`me, being in the Axis of Weasels`
`00:18.47`	`doughecka`	`ooh`
`00:19.15`	`*** join/#bzflag ak\|ra (~mathias@pD9E47424.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`00:19.21`	`ak\|ra`	`re`
`00:19.24`	`Cell`	`how do you like that:`
`00:19.24`	`Cell`	`pln_p[_n][0]=lamda*(frst_p[edg[i][1]]][0]-frst_p[edg[i][0]]][0])+frst_p[edg[i][0]]][0];`
`00:19.24`	`Cell`	`pln_p[_n][1]=lamda*(frst_p[edg[i][1]]][2]-frst_p[edg[i][0]]][2])+frst_p[edg[i][0]]][2];`
`00:20.02`	`Chestal`	`hi akira`
`00:20.33`	`Chestal`	`I would put spaces around * and +`
`00:20.43`	`Cell`	`ok`
`00:20.55`	`Chestal`	`at least I think so :-)`
`00:27.57`	`Cell`	`oh, its linking`
`00:32.41`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221:seems like you are using Hungarian prefix for each variable`
`00:33.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a habit yes`
`00:33.14`	`Cell`	`C# says to use camel case`
`00:33.29`	`Patlabor221`	`well good thing I don't use C# then.`
`00:33.37`	`Cell`	`lol`
`00:33.59`	`Patlabor221`	`and I'm not dooing full hungarian`
`00:35.13`	`captain_proton`	`camel case?`
`00:35.18`	`Chestal`	`what's that?`
`00:35.35`	`doughecka`	`moo`
`00:35.44`	`Patlabor221`	`watchout the spit!`
`00:35.50`	`Chestal`	`proton: read the left-wingg american press like New York Times today?`
`00:37.04`	`Patlabor221`	`loosk like camel case is just puting caps in words`
`00:37.12`	`doughecka`	`N6NHG is KEVIN D MITNICK's ham radio callsign..`
`00:37.13`	`Patlabor221`	`like addObject()`
`00:37.31`	`Cell`	`right`
`00:37.32`	`Patlabor221`	`or nearClipZ`
`00:37.38`	`Patlabor221`	`still dosn't show the type`
`00:37.44`	`Cell`	`but on function idents you should use pascal case`
`00:37.54`	`Patlabor221`	`hunh?`
`00:38.02`	`Cell`	`and on private fields came case`
`00:38.06`	`Cell`	`camel`
`00:38.08`	`Patlabor221`	`again hunh?`
`00:38.20`	`Patlabor221`	`what does pascall have to do with anything?`
`00:38.22`	`Chestal`	`is camel a programming language?`
`00:38.24`	`Cell`	`AddObjects()`
`00:38.41`	`Cell`	`Chestal, no`
`00:38.44`	`Patlabor221`	`http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CamelCase`
`00:38.56`	`Patlabor221`	`seems its a notation style`
`00:39.06`	`Patlabor221`	`like you could do addobject`
`00:39.08`	`Patlabor221`	`add_object`
`00:39.14`	`Patlabor221`	`addOBject`
`00:39.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I prefer using caps for the start of words`
`00:39.47`	`Patlabor221`	`makes it easyer to read`
`00:39.51`	`Chestal`	`AdDoBjEcT`
`00:40.01`	`Cell`	`lol`
`00:40.09`	`Patlabor221`	`thats leet coding`
`00:40.52`	`Chestal`	`no, that would be void AdD0Bj3ct(...) or worse`
`00:40.59`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`00:41.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ok sticky caps coding :)`
`00:41.22`	`Chestal`	`I'm not sure I have a consistent caps style`
`00:41.46`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think a lanugate should impose a coding style on it's users`
`00:41.51`	`Chestal`	`I think I use pascal case for methods (if I got it right what Pascal case means)`
`00:41.56`	`Patlabor221`	`you should use what makse sense for your project`
`00:42.02`	`Cell`	`oh cool i can see the grid`
`00:42.39`	`Patlabor221`	`I like using a single character so I can know what a varialbe is`
`00:42.56`	`Chestal`	`I don't`
`00:43.13`	`Patlabor221`	`and it's cool that we can each do it in our own way :)`
`00:43.20`	`Chestal`	`but using good names often takes up to 90% of my tem when coding :-)`
`00:43.38`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I agree`
`00:43.42`	`Patlabor221`	`I just have it as habit`
`00:43.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't do it for like X Y and Z`
`00:45.16`	`Cell`	`i use microsoft coding guidelines when coding c#`
`00:45.29`	`Cell`	`so it looks all like they framework`
`00:45.29`	`Patlabor221`	`cus C# is a ms only lang`
`00:45.43`	`Patlabor221`	`I use the m_ when doing mfc work`
`00:45.46`	`Cell`	`yes ms is big`
`00:45.49`	`Chestal`	`doesn't M$ suggest strange identation?`
`00:45.52`	`Chestal`	`like`
`00:46.00`	`Chestal`	`while (true)`
`00:46.00`	`Cell`	`i did tha too earlier i used mfc`
`00:46.01`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.03`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.04`	`Chestal`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:46.15`	`Cell`	`no`
`00:46.21`	`Chestal`	`COde COmplete does`
`00:46.41`	`Cell`	`sure?`
`00:46.47`	`Chestal`	`looks liek M$ doesn't agree with themselves`
`00:47.09`	`Chestal`	`yes, I'm sure`
`00:47.17`	`Cell`	`k`
`00:47.20`	`Chestal`	`I browsed through it some years ago`
`00:47.35`	`Chestal`	`had some good hints, but most of it was superfluous`
`00:48.52`	`Chestal`	`well, off to bed for me`
`00:48.57`	`Cell`	`you know what you can do Elem getNexElem(){return this+1;}`
`00:49.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I can do lots of things`
`00:49.27`	`Cell`	`lol, not possible in c#`
`00:49.36`	`Chestal`	`tell Tim that I think I'd ne happy with a release, although I might have forgotten something`
`00:49.38`	`Patlabor221`	`but sometimes is easyer to debug when it's broekn out`
`00:50.04`	`Chestal`	`s/ne/be/`
`00:53.23`	`Cell`	`what you get from glGet(GL_MODELVIEW_MATRIX, float[16] mv) is the inverse of the Camera Matrix ?`
`00:53.41`	`Cell`	`i quess yes, man its late i should know that`
`00:56.03`	`Cell`	`hwo do i get the camera matrix from euler, is euler x,yz or x,y,x' or something like that?`
`00:57.02`	`ak\|ra`	`nope`
`00:57.23`	`ak\|ra`	`GL_MODELVIEW_MATRIX is just the modelview matrix .. could be anything`
`00:58.33`	`Cell`	`Patlabor221: do you know where do you set the Model View matrix in the Pocket Engine?`
`00:59.10`	`Patlabor221`	`begin draw`
`01:00.19`	`Cell`	`ah, found it, k thanks`
`01:32.29`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~42e70d2c@203.194.240.139)`
`01:33.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kill me`
`01:33.21`		`ACTION slits [stc]_creeperz's throat`
`01:33.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone here?`
`01:34.10`	`doughecka`	`yay`
`01:34.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I guess we arn't here`
`01:34.35`	`doughecka`	`nope, only of ghosts`
`01:34.38`	`Patlabor221`	`well I'm summoing things`
`01:34.38`	`doughecka`	`of/us`
`01:34.41`	`Patlabor221`	`and setting things on fire`
`01:34.43`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`01:34.49`	`Patlabor221`	`with my new spell`
`01:35.07`	`Patlabor221`	`"fire in the mornin' fire in the evenin' fire at suppa' time"`
`01:35.15`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`01:35.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I hear it works on most houses`
`01:35.42`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`01:35.44`	`Patlabor221`	`just expect about 1 to 2 megs a sec`
`01:35.44`	`doughecka`	`not my house`
`01:35.48`	`Patlabor221`	`realy`
`01:35.59`	`Patlabor221`	`it does depend on how it's wired`
`01:35.59`	`doughecka`	`bah, then these things are stupid`
`01:36.10`	`doughecka`	`stupid security`
`01:36.12`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`01:36.24`	`doughecka`	`well`
`01:36.46`	`doughecka`	`I plugged it into the same strip.. and it still dont work`
`01:37.27`	`Patlabor221`	`ha`
`01:37.37`	`doughecka`	`diferent computers...`
`01:37.41`	`doughecka`	`dont work`
`01:37.48`	`doughecka`	`and my friend said they worked for me`
`01:40.04`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`01:40.10`	`doughecka`	`no need to do that..`
`01:40.23`	`doughecka`	`just wire up the plug to a audio cable..`
`01:40.29`	`doughecka`	`.and plug it into the sound card...`
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`01:41.40`	`doughecka`	`<PROTECTED>`
`01:43.22`	`Patlabor221`	`sonds like a version/gte dsl`
`01:46.46`	`doughecka`	`?`
`01:46.57`	`Patlabor221`	`100 % packetloss`
`01:46.59`	`doughecka`	`ok, now they are plugged into the same outlet...`
`01:47.11`	`doughecka`	`and I still get no activity out of the USB`
`01:49.49`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`01:50.17`	`faz`	`doughecka: plug them into a 3fold cable which isnt event connected to the house wirings`
`01:50.29`	`doughecka`	`faz: needs power`
`01:51.12`	`faz`	`hmm, hoped there were some external powersupply to plug in :)`
`01:51.17`	`doughecka`	`nope :(`
`01:51.26`	`doughecka`	`and the ethernet seems to work`
`01:51.37`	`doughecka`	`but the USB one wont even flash activity`
`01:55.35`	`faz`	`perhaps its a card that needs the firmware downloaded by the driver first`
`01:55.54`	`doughecka`	`hmm, I tried everything in the book`
`01:56.03`	`doughecka`	`and there isnt any info anywhere on the web`
`01:57.11`	`faz`	`which model do you have?`
`01:57.25`	`doughecka`	`PLUSB10`
`01:57.34`	`doughecka`	`and PLEBR10`
`01:58.45`	`doughecka`	`seems like nobody uses USB versions`
`01:58.48`	`doughecka`	`only the ethernet`
`02:00.25`	`Patlabor221`	`usb nicks are kinda sucksy, they take CPU time since they are over USB`
`02:00.32`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`02:00.46`	`doughecka`	`even if the thing aint plugged in`
`02:00.51`	`doughecka`	`buggy drivers`
`02:01.01`	`doughecka`	`buggy non-working drivers`
`02:01.17`	`doughecka`	`hmm, new drivers for download...`
`02:01.23`	`Patlabor221`	`just run a wire man`
`02:01.28`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`02:02.56`	`faz`	`imagine all the fun you could have terrorizing the neighbours with a big drill`
`02:03.11`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:03.25`	`doughecka`	`bwuahahhaa`
`02:09.29`	`faz`	`when you�re already at linksys, why not wireless?`
`02:09.58`	`doughecka`	`I have a wireless net setup, but my box I want connected doent have a PCI slot`
`02:10.14`	`doughecka`	`it has a ethernet plug`
`02:10.19`	`doughecka`	`but I cant run network cables`
`02:11.21`	`faz`	`you could by a wap11, and directly connect it with a crossover cable`
`02:11.34`	`doughecka`	`faz: yea...`
`02:11.51`	`doughecka`	`but that would cost money, and I HAVE the power stuff here allready... :)`
`02:11.55`	`doughecka`	`I would if I could`
`02:11.56`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:12.07`	`faz`	`i have such a setup, gave up on using usb for wireless`
`02:12.14`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`02:14.08`	`faz`	`perhaps it�s just broken?`
`02:14.23`	`faz`	`swap it for wireless :)`
`02:16.26`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:16.34`	`doughecka`	`anyone want windows 3.1?`
`02:17.00`	`faz`	`hmm, this is not 1993 :)`
`02:17.06`	`doughecka`	`k`
`02:17.07`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:18.15`	`faz`	`have you tried with a different computer on the usb side?`
`02:18.21`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`02:18.29`	`doughecka`	`laptops... desktops...`
`02:18.36`	`faz`	`or connecting it via a hub with an extra power supply?`
`02:18.43`	`doughecka`	`nope`
`02:18.47`	`doughecka`	`I dont have a hub`
`02:18.50`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`02:19.01`	`faz`	`me neither :)`
`02:19.28`	`faz`	`but many usb only scanners require to much current for a lot of usb ports`
`02:19.39`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`02:19.41`	`doughecka`	`yea..`
`02:19.51`	`doughecka`	`but this thing IS a powersupply.. :)`
`02:20.00`	`doughecka`	`and the stuff to hook it up to the puter`
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`02:20.49`	`faz`	`well, there will be some separation. coils or optical perhaps`
`02:20.59`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`02:21.05`	`doughecka`	`surge protection`
`02:21.16`	`doughecka`	`its got its own so you can plug it right in the outlet`
`02:22.29`	`faz`	`you said you know the ethernet version works. at least you see some activity there, but from where? :)`
`02:22.42`	`faz`	`with 2 parts you have some chicken-egg problem`
`02:23.56`	`doughecka`	`the network`
`02:23.57`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`02:25.02`	`faz`	`perhaps the windows driveres are installed in the wrong order, does windows detect it correctly?`
`02:25.08`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`02:25.15`	`doughecka`	`install the cd first...`
`02:25.17`	`doughecka`	`and reboot`
`02:25.22`	`doughecka`	`plug it in`
`02:25.25`	`doughecka`	`detect`
`02:25.27`	`doughecka`	`setup`
`02:25.29`	`doughecka`	`reboot`
`02:25.34`	`doughecka`	`reboot`
`02:25.37`	`doughecka`	`kick the computer`
`02:25.38`	`doughecka`	`reboot`
`02:25.57`	`faz`	`can you do some configuration of the device, like set the encryption?`
`02:27.08`	`doughecka`	`sorta`
`02:27.17`	`doughecka`	`the usb only have security`
`02:33.08`	`faz`	`well i�m gonna try the bed and try to connect to the dreamworld`
`02:34.27`	`captain_proton`	`invaders blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants! the pants command me! do not ignore my veins!`
`02:34.53`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`02:38.01`	`doughecka`	`Windows� Services for UNIX 3.0, what does it DO?`
`02:40.13`	`doughecka`	`The Interix technology provides over 1900 UNIX APIs and migration tools such as: make, rcs, yacc, lex, cc, c89, nm, strip, gbd, as well as the gcc, g++, and g77 compilers.`
`02:40.16`	`doughecka`	`huh`
`02:45.44`	`Patlabor221`	`cap you seen crab vs pipe?`
`02:45.56`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: its not that funny...`
`02:46.01`	`doughecka`	`;)`
`02:46.05`	`Patlabor221`	`it is the first time`
`02:46.08`	`Patlabor221`	`just not the 50th`
`02:52.42`	`*** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (Mouse@179-239.dynamic.visi.com)`
`02:52.51`	`doughecka`	`'lo michaelh20`
`02:52.54`	`doughecka`	`~seen michaelh20`
`02:52.54`		`michaelh20 is currently on #bzflag (12s)`
`02:52.56`	`michaelh20`	`wzzzzzzzzzzzup`
`02:53.04`	`doughecka`	`hmm, the ceiling`
`02:54.04`	`michaelh20`	`~kill`
`02:54.05`		`ACTION kills all the morons`
`02:54.19`	`michaelh20`	`~go postal`
`02:54.20`		`ACTION rampages, killing everyone in sight!`
`02:54.31`	`doughecka`	`~bobots`
`02:54.32`		`Bobots are everywhere! Game over man!`
`03:02.54`	`michaelh20`	`~c64`
`03:03.03`	`michaelh20`	`~bzflag`
`03:03.07`		`hmm... bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming`
`03:09.03`	`*** join/#bzflag trepan (trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com)`
`03:09.25`	`doughecka`	`'lo trepan`
`03:09.32`	`doughecka`	`hows the portals goin? ;)`
`03:10.02`	`trepan`	`just finishing up my map/group parser, stuck it into the front of bzfs`
`03:10.48`	`trepan`	`once bzmapper hits v2.0, i'll start on the portals (monday'ish)`
`03:16.41`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:16.48`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:16.49`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`03:16.59`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:17.06`	`trepan`	`huh`
`03:17.08`	`doughecka`	`why make a new parser?`
`03:17.22`	`Patlabor221`	`how are you going to handle shots and phantom zone on portals?`
`03:17.34`	`trepan`	`try it out... you'll see ;o)`
`03:17.45`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`03:17.50`	`Patlabor221`	`and carying flags from one server that allows them to another that dosn't`
`03:17.55`	`trepan`	`Patlabor221: i'm not in the first try, it all goes away`
`03:18.00`	`Patlabor221`	`like I make my own local GM only server`
`03:18.05`	`Patlabor221`	`with a portal to turkey`
`03:18.12`	`doughecka`	`hahah`
`03:18.15`	`Patlabor221`	`i just think there are better things to do`
`03:18.20`	`trepan`	`my bigger problem is what to do about team color`
`03:18.24`	`doughecka`	`bah ;)`
`03:18.30`	`trepan`	`like what?`
`03:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a ton of issues`
`03:18.35`	`Patlabor221`	`or if the server is full?`
`03:18.46`	`trepan`	`portal goes dark... whatever`
`03:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I'd work on a server clean up`
`03:18.50`	`Patlabor221`	`first`
`03:18.55`	`Patlabor221`	`make it more authoritve`
`03:19.06`	`trepan`	`take that 1/4 meg file and break it up`
`03:19.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and I don't see there use in gameplay`
`03:19.24`	`trepan`	`i was hoping to do that in the process`
`03:19.29`	`doughecka`	`Mmmm, craisens`
`03:19.36`	`Patlabor221`	`I can see how neat it would be to have a visual "loby" kinda thing`
`03:19.44`	`trepan`	`that's what i'm thinking`
`03:20.06`	`trepan`	`like an entry chat room, somewhere to start fights`
`03:20.15`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`03:20.31`	`Patlabor221`	`then make that a game feature, not something that can be put into any map`
`03:20.37`	`trepan`	`with a big sign, "No shooting in the char room, please"`
`03:20.49`	`trepan`	`s/char/chat/`
`03:20.49`	`Patlabor221`	`or make the server be able to disable shooting`
`03:20.50`	`doughecka`	`trepan: like that would happen... ;)`
`03:21.05`	`Patlabor221`	`I can see making a server a "loby" server`
`03:21.06`	`trepan`	`Patlabor221: yup, that's what I'm saying`
`03:21.19`	`Patlabor221`	`doug was saying like it was bidirectional`
`03:21.44`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:21.46`	`trepan`	`well, heck, that would come with the package`
`03:21.47`	`Patlabor221`	`if you hit a portal in a chat only server then that's cool`
`03:21.54`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`03:21.58`	`Patlabor221`	`you basicly log into the server that you portal too`
`03:22.13`	`Patlabor221`	`doug there would be masive issues with that`
`03:22.24`	`Patlabor221`	`it would be abused like mad`
`03:22.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and I'm guessing rather lagy`
`03:22.35`	`doughecka`	`bah :)`
`03:22.45`	`trepan`	`humbug`
`03:22.54`	`Patlabor221`	`well it could be`
`03:22.56`	`doughecka`	`only for l33tness's sake`
`03:23.03`	`Patlabor221`	`but a loby server would be nice`
`03:23.04`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:23.11`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`03:23.18`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly make it like a visual version of the listserv`
`03:23.28`	`Patlabor221`	`and mod listserv to be able to send messages`
`03:23.28`	`Patlabor221`	`tht's all`
`03:23.32`	`doughecka`	`but I wanted a way to start a private world`
`03:23.36`	`trepan`	`i figure write the code to integrate bzfs and bzfls, and let the population decide what to do with it`
`03:24.04`	`Patlabor221`	`doug, that's a difrent issue, password protected servers`
`03:24.14`	`trepan`	`it's either that or do personalized textures on tanks or something`
`03:24.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm working on that with the external model classes`
`03:24.43`	`trepan`	`(with caching, naturally)`
`03:24.59`	`Patlabor221`	`well you can't let the user just upload one and have it used`
`03:25.02`	`trepan`	`ya, the GM thing didn't work for me, is there an updated version`
`03:25.06`	`Patlabor221`	`with out an authorisation`
`03:25.28`	`Patlabor221`	`otherwise I upload a texture that is all alpha`
`03:25.31`	`Patlabor221`	`and I am invisible`
`03:25.33`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: hmmm, I ment having a big server... and people could type a message and join an arena, sorta like subspace`
`03:25.49`	`trepan`	`nope, not what i'm thinking Pat`
`03:25.50`	`Patlabor221`	`doug that is my room based idea`
`03:25.57`	`trepan`	`1. remove all alpha`
`03:26.06`	`Patlabor221`	`limit skin designers`
`03:26.09`	`doughecka`	`trepan: yEA@`
`03:26.10`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`03:26.11`	`trepan`	`2. have a specific location that the texture goe son`
`03:26.23`	`Patlabor221`	`again limit skin desingers`
`03:26.29`	`Patlabor221`	`but tim wanted that too`
`03:26.35`	`doughecka`	`and if the texture doesnt fit the tank? (toosmall)`
`03:26.37`	`trepan`	`yup, i also won't let them make the tank 1mm wide`
`03:26.37`	`Patlabor221`	`but we talked about real tank skins too`
`03:26.41`	`trepan`	`gotta have rules son`
`03:26.49`	`Patlabor221`	`doug shuttup till you understand`
`03:27.03`	`Patlabor221`	`me and tim talked about this extensivly`
`03:27.11`	`Patlabor221`	`what we came up with was this`
`03:27.17`	`Patlabor221`	`tanks are external models`
`03:27.24`	`Patlabor221`	`so you can have a choice of tanks`
`03:27.39`	`trepan`	`and...`
`03:27.39`	`Patlabor221`	`but the server specifies what the "approved" list is`
`03:27.46`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you don't have them you get them form the server`
`03:27.52`	`Patlabor221`	`using the MD3 cahce stuff`
`03:27.56`	`Patlabor221`	`same for skins`
`03:28.05`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:28.08`	`trepan`	`i guess that's limiting enough`
`03:28.08`	`Patlabor221`	`then each tank has a place that can have a team logo decal`
`03:28.18`	`trepan`	`nothing personalized there at all`
`03:28.24`	`doughecka`	`like banners in subspace?`
`03:28.40`	`Patlabor221`	`1 if you want a total custom tank skin you submit it to the server`
`03:28.47`	`Patlabor221`	`if it's aproved the game lets you pick it`
`03:28.58`	`doughecka`	`cool...`
`03:29.00`	`trepan`	`how about add this: a little area on the tank for a personal logo`
`03:29.00`	`Patlabor221`	`or you make a personalised team logo out of parts`
`03:29.07`	`doughecka`	`trepan: yea..`
`03:29.12`	`Patlabor221`	`that's what the teamlogo/personalisation area is`
`03:29.20`	`Patlabor221`	`but we don't let them just upload antying`
`03:29.21`	`trepan`	`you could show it off in the "chat room"`
`03:29.25`	`doughecka`	`trepan: and if you set your contry... it would fly your contry flag.. :)`
`03:29.35`	`Patlabor221`	`or someones gonna put something ofensive int here`
`03:29.52`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: have a command that disables banners for that particular user`
`03:29.54`	`trepan`	`you ever heard the language on some of the servers?`
`03:30.05`	`Patlabor221`	`tre, you see the language filters?`
`03:30.20`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`03:30.25`	`trepan`	`yup, you see how they didn't work when someone through some extras chars in there?`
`03:30.33`	`trepan`	`doughecka remembers...`
`03:30.38`	`Patlabor221`	`well bz needs more font help`
`03:30.48`	`Patlabor221`	`it don't like multibyte much`
`03:31.03`	`Patlabor221`	`but the idea is similar to yours`
`03:31.07`	`Patlabor221`	`just takes it further`
`03:31.13`	`trepan`	`it should have been stripping out junk chars in the first place, if you're trying to do filters`
`03:31.22`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`03:31.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know how it was implemented`
`03:31.38`	`Patlabor221`	`but my point is, that it's the direction that it's going`
`03:31.51`	`Patlabor221`	`give the server operatiors more tools to make the game they want`
`03:32.04`	`trepan`	`sounds good`
`03:32.17`	`Patlabor221`	`basicly anything with tanks is gonna be hard untill the tank model is external`
`03:32.24`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:32.35`	`Patlabor221`	`otherwise you have to hack in the stuff in the model you want in code`
`03:32.37`	`Patlabor221`	`3 times`
`03:32.53`	`doughecka`	`3?`
`03:32.56`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`03:32.59`	`Patlabor221`	`3 LODs for the tank`
`03:33.00`	`doughecka`	`oh, small med, large?`
`03:33.08`	`trepan`	`well, how 'bout i just implement an 'arc' object or something, or 'tilting'`
`03:33.09`	`Patlabor221`	`high, med, low`
`03:33.17`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`03:33.26`	`trepan`	`just looking for something interesting to code`
`03:33.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I would implement a cylinder`
`03:33.30`	`Patlabor221`	`and a ball`
`03:33.48`	`trepan`	`arc is better then cylinder, much more flexible for not too much more work`
`03:33.51`	`Patlabor221`	`any new objects is going to need new colision ocode`
`03:33.59`	`Patlabor221`	`you'll have to add colisons for it`
`03:34.07`	`trepan`	`ya, i can do basic trig`
`03:34.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and how would you paramaterise it`
`03:34.10`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`03:34.15`	`trepan`	`para what?`
`03:34.16`	`Patlabor221`	`rad`
`03:34.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it would take more then a x y and z scale`
`03:34.31`	`trepan`	`ah, it's already in my latest bzmapper upload`
`03:34.35`	`Patlabor221`	`radius`
`03:34.40`	`Patlabor221`	`thickness`
`03:34.48`	`Patlabor221`	`start angle, end angle`
`03:35.15`	`Patlabor221`	`then the colisions for a concave object`
`03:35.19`	`Patlabor221`	`since it's not a box`
`03:35.30`	`Patlabor221`	`unless you fake it with a bunch of boxes`
`03:35.43`	`trepan`	`that's what I've already done, i'm looking for the real thing now`
`03:36.06`	`Patlabor221`	`you will also need some sort of rendering segmentaion`
`03:36.14`	`Patlabor221`	`unless you plan on doing dynamic LOD`
`03:36.27`	`trepan`	`LOD?`
`03:36.31`	`doughecka`	`LOD.`
`03:36.46`	`Patlabor221`	`level of detail`
`03:36.58`	`Patlabor221`	`oyu have to render it with triangles`
`03:37.01`	`Patlabor221`	`they don't curve`
`03:37.16`	`trepan`	`yup, i figured they didn't`
`03:37.28`	`Patlabor221`	`so you have to segment`
`03:37.42`	`Patlabor221`	`ether you specify the segment in the object`
`03:37.48`	`trepan`	`yup, and do a little color smoothing, etc... shouldn't be hard`
`03:37.49`	`Patlabor221`	`or you do it danimcly`
`03:38.00`	`Patlabor221`	`color smoothing?`
`03:38.05`	`Patlabor221`	`you mean normal smothing`
`03:38.23`	`Patlabor221`	`and you'll have to segment it up when it gets near a shot`
`03:38.40`	`Patlabor221`	`tha'ts the thing that has prevented me from doing arbitrary meshes`
`03:38.49`	`Patlabor221`	`would have to make them subdivision surfs`
`03:38.53`	`Patlabor221`	`or something`
`03:38.59`	`trepan`	`yup, could be fun`
`03:39.11`	`trepan`	`wish everyone had nurbs`
`03:39.22`	`Patlabor221`	`everyone does have nurbs`
`03:39.29`	`Patlabor221`	`just REALY SLOW nurbs`
`03:39.34`	`trepan`	`not in H/W`
`03:39.48`	`Patlabor221`	`hence there slowness`
`03:39.54`	`trepan`	`yup, would be nice though`
`03:40.11`	`Patlabor221`	`still without per pixel lighting in openGL you would have to subdevide`
`03:40.13`	`trepan`	`so anyways, what is on the top-ten list`
`03:40.22`	`Patlabor221`	`less cheating`
`03:40.32`	`trepan`	`i promise, i don't`
`03:40.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I mean cheat protections`
`03:40.43`	`trepan`	`:)`
`03:40.45`	`Patlabor221`	`less lag`
`03:40.54`	`Patlabor221`	`better/custom textures`
`03:41.10`	`Patlabor221`	`more map choices`
`03:41.12`	`captain_proton`	`nanobunnies`
`03:41.21`	`Patlabor221`	`isobunnies damit!!`
`03:41.22`	`trepan`	`captain_proton: you drinkin'?`
`03:41.31`	`captain_proton`	`no`
`03:41.40`	`trepan`	`what's an isobunny?`
`03:41.40`	`captain_proton`	`that funky funky j-stream has nanobunnies`
`03:41.41`	`Patlabor221`	`my isobunnies will kick your nanobunnies furry little asses`
`03:41.43`	`captain_proton`	`and bz needs them`
`03:52.38`	`Patlabor221`	`well if it works, looks like my hybrid engine idea would allow non sqaure worlds, and hight variaons in the world itself`
`03:57.49`	`Patlabor221`	`bahh tim would never go for it. tanks would have to tilt`
`04:06.38`	`*** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`04:06.38`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ`
`04:11.34`	`*** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~Jeffm@adsl-64-172-197-35.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`04:41.34`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~42e70da5@203.194.240.139)`
`04:41.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`04:42.16`	`patlabor221`	`don't think he's here`
`04:42.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone who is working on new version of BZFlag?`
`04:42.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I saw a bug`
`04:43.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Big cockroach under my desk`
`04:43.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I mean on x-mission`
`04:43.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`The autokick`
`04:43.18`	`patlabor221`	`what did you see`
`04:43.28`	`patlabor221`	`for going to fast?`
`04:43.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...If you lag when you have Velocity and are being killed, it kicks you for "Moving too fast"`
`04:44.13`	`patlabor221`	`yes, that has been reported`
`04:44.19`	`patlabor221`	`hard to febug`
`04:44.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, what about being killed in the apex of your jump?`
`04:45.00`	`patlabor221`	`dono bout that`
`04:45.11`	`patlabor221`	`but I have heard of there are issues`
`04:45.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Hmmmm, it booted me for that too.`
`04:45.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Please tell Tim when he gets back`
`04:45.30`	`patlabor221`	`I think chestal and tim have talked about it`
`04:45.31`	`patlabor221`	`he know`
`04:45.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`About the jump bug?`
`04:45.51`	`patlabor221`	`they are releated`
`04:46.01`	`patlabor221`	`it has to do with the speed thing`
`04:46.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nYes, ok, gotcha`
`04:46.13`	`patlabor221`	`chestals been loging`
`04:46.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol, playin' too much bzflag!`
`04:46.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`04:46.41`	`patlabor221`	`I do the same thing with "r"`
`04:47.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Thats your chat button?`
`04:47.05`	`patlabor221`	`no`
`04:47.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nOh`
`04:47.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`nUUGH!!`
`04:47.19`	`patlabor221`	`reply in everquest`
`04:47.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGHGHGHGHG!!!!!`
`04:47.29`	`patlabor221`	`?`
`04:47.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Read from above`
`04:48.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"nUUGH!!"`
`04:48.18`	`patlabor221`	`I see`
`04:48.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And the UUGH was about me putting "n" in from of my sentence`
`04:48.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What you up to, Jeff?`
`04:48.43`	`patlabor221`	`wathing LOTR the extended version`
`04:48.57`	`patlabor221`	`and being and admin ninja`
`04:49.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why is your nic patlabor221?`
`04:49.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Jeff?`
`04:49.38`	`patlabor221`	`on?`
`04:50.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Here, BZFlag...`
`04:50.14`	`patlabor221`	`here is IRC`
`04:50.21`	`patlabor221`	`and it's what you see`
`04:50.31`	`patlabor221`	`I allways use the same name where ever I can`
`04:50.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What that supposed to mean?`
`04:50.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`But why patlabor221?`
`04:50.58`	`patlabor221`	`why creeperz?`
`04:51.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, creeperz?`
`04:51.09`		`methinks creeperz is a little man who stalks in shadows and crawls on the ground...sorta like a tank.`
`04:51.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict creeper`
`04:51.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`"a person who crawls or creeps along the ground [syn: {crawler}]"`
`04:51.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, [stc] creeperz?`
`04:51.48`		`i guess [stc] creeperz is the leader of The Spine Tinglaz Clan`
`04:52.11`	`patlabor221`	`that splains stc`
`04:52.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...Why patlabor221?`
`04:52.22`	`patlabor221`	`it has meaning`
`04:52.31`	`patlabor221`	`are you one who crawls on the ground?`
`04:52.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`....Does a tank REALLY jump?`
`04:52.49`	`patlabor221`	`yes`
`04:53.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Off of mougels?`
`04:53.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`...`
`04:53.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~spell mougel`
`04:53.14`		`possible spellings for mougel: Miguel Mogul mogul Miguela`
`04:53.14`	`patlabor221`	`there are many ways to make things fly`
`04:53.17`	`patlabor221`	`just push hard enough`
`04:53.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`04:53.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`04:54.35`	`patlabor221`	`my nick is easy enough to lean about, just gotta know where to look`
`04:55.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, patlabor221?`
`04:55.22`		`hmm... patlabor221 is http://www.artemisgames.com/webcam.html`
`04:55.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`hmmmm?`
`04:56.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whats that?`
`04:57.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, man, sometimes you freak me out!`
`04:58.05`	`patlabor221`	`ibod does not know all`
`04:58.14`	`patlabor221`	`there are other ways to get info`
`04:58.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Why don't you have links to these from your home page?`
`04:58.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`And is that a cam feed or what?`
`04:59.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Its very...very....blank`
`04:59.21`	`patlabor221`	`the cam is not there anymore`
`04:59.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Did you make homestar runner?`
`05:00.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ummmm, did you know, on your homepage (http://artemisgames.com) it says BXArean? Or is it supposed to say that?`
`05:00.58`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`arena*`
`05:01.21`	`patlabor221`	`no I did not make homestar`
`05:01.33`	`patlabor221`	`and yes I know the root of artemis says that`
`05:01.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`05:01.43`	`patlabor221`	`the root of baka says something else`
`05:01.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`the title tag`
`05:02.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, and you spelled current wrong`
`05:02.34`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~spell curent`
`05:02.37`		`possible spellings for curent: current currant cu rent cu-rent currents coronet cruet grunt cornet cunt rent Caren Corenda Quent caret cured Brent Prent Trent crept crest Grant currants grant Laurent currency Carena Corene curing Covent Curran Durant cadent client cogent credent parent craned runt brunet Creon Crete count currently`
`05:02.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict currant`
`05:02.50`	`patlabor221`	`I spell lots of things`
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`10:56.12`	`Chestal`	`tag`
`10:59.08`	`ak\|ra`	`hi`
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`11:47.21`	`strayer`	`mornin...`
`12:05.14`	`ak\|ra`	`moin`
`12:26.01`	`strayer`	`ak\|ra: ...wie gehts?`
`12:28.47`	`ak\|ra`	`na jut`
`12:28.49`	`ak\|ra`	`:)`
`12:29.12`	`strayer`	`freut mich...`
`12:29.19`	`ak\|ra`	`un selbst?`
`12:29.23`	`ak\|ra`	`noch bei den hows?`
`12:29.49`	`strayer`	`solala...bin seit freitag wieder im lande...ja, da bin ich angeblich noch...`
`12:31.37`	`ak\|ra`	`wo warste denn?`
`12:32.04`	`strayer`	`paderborn...ohne internet, aber mit TV :)`
`12:32.10`	`ak\|ra`	`_)`
`12:32.28`	`strayer`	`hast du gesehen...41 spiele von HoW`
`12:32.37`	`ak\|ra`	`nur grob am rande verfolgt`
`12:33.04`	`strayer`	`wir sind jetzt wohl ehrenmitglieder bei TLZ, weil die durch uns euch �berholt haben :)`
`12:33.53`	`ak\|ra`	`jo :)`
`12:34.07`	`strayer`	`was macht das rendern bon bildchen?`
`12:34.13`	`ak\|ra`	`nix`
`12:34.20`	`ak\|ra`	`erstmal pausiert`
`12:34.42`	`strayer`	`schade...hatte mich auch neue bilder gefreut...hast anderweitig arbeit?`
`12:34.50`	`ak\|ra`	`ja, massig`
`12:35.03`	`strayer`	`wie das?....du studierst doch..hehe`
`12:37.32`	`ak\|ra`	`genau`
`12:38.06`	`strayer`	`ach...geht wohl langsam den ende entgegen?`
`12:39.39`	`ak\|ra`	`ne, eben nich`
`12:39.46`	`ak\|ra`	`darum etwas mehr focus auf anderes`
`12:40.46`	`strayer`	`aso...na dann sieh mal zu, dass es net mehr als 26 semester werden...`
`12:41.10`	`ak\|ra`	`genau`
`12:42.01`	`strayer`	`hab grad wem erzaehlt, dass ich meinen server aufsetze...als ich von windows anfing wurde ich ausgelacht :\|`
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`12:42.20`	`ak\|ra`	`so siehts aus :)`
`12:42.31`	`calico`	`hi akira`
`12:43.13`	`calico`	`good morning all`
`12:43.17`	`strayer`	`naja...ich mach erstmal alles mit WAMPP...dann kommt linux und LAMPP...und irgendwann hoff ich mal, dass es dann richtig klappt....bin net so fi in linux`
`12:43.22`	`strayer`	`hi captain_proton`
`12:43.33`	`strayer`	`oups... calico :)`
`12:44.28`	`ak\|ra`	`hi katos`
`12:45.38`	`calico`	`holy chit its strayer`
`12:46.08`	`calico`	`i heard you were dead :P`
`12:46.34`	`ak\|ra`	`hehe`
`12:47.07`	`strayer`	`calico: i am impressed cause of Ur niceness`
`12:47.35`	`calico`	`its early yet, give me a chance to choke down my 2nd cup of coffee`
`12:47.59`	`strayer`	`maybe it helps :)`
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`12:48.23`	`calico`	`nhi jraitala`
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`12:48.42`	`strayer`	`hi jraitala...nice nick`
`12:48.47`	`calico`	`nevery application should make you hit n before you talk`
`12:49.01`	`calico`	`nbecause i cant stop doing it`
`12:50.08`	`calico`	`anyone up for some ducati`
`12:50.17`	`jraitala`	`I could be`
`12:50.47`	`jraitala`	`~ducati6`
`12:51.02`	`calico`	`ok`
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`13:21.49`	`larsl`	`Hello, I'm having some problems building an RPM package on Mandrake 9.0.`
`13:21.59`	`doughecka`	`#mandrake`
`13:22.16`	`larsl`	`But I'm building it from bzflag CVS.`
`13:22.23`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`13:22.27`	`larsl`	`=)`
`13:22.42`	`larsl`	`I get these error messages: error: Name field must be present in package: (main package)`
`13:22.59`	`larsl`	`For Name, Version, Release, Summary, Group, License.`
`13:25.11`	`larsl`	`Any Linuxers here?`
`13:26.53`	`ak\|ra`	`why?`
`13:27.40`	`larsl`	`I'm trying to build an RPM from the CVS code, but it won't work.`
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`13:35.12`	`Jormungandr`	`larsl, have you built an rpm before?`
`13:38.23`	`larsl`	`Jormungandr: Yes, but not for BZFlag.`
`13:38.57`	`Jormungandr`	`are you using a SPEC file?`
`13:39.25`	`larsl`	`I'm running 'make package'.`
`13:40.00`	`larsl`	`I think it's supposed to auto-generate a spec file, but there seems to be something wrong.`
`13:40.26`	`Jormungandr`	`I don't recall a make package option in the makefile for bzflag... let me look.`
`13:41.42`	`Jormungandr`	`you did "make linux" first, right?`
`13:41.50`	`larsl`	`OK, I managed to build an RPM after some manual fiddling... I renamed the bzflag directory, gzipped it, moved it ro my rpm SOURCE directory, and ran 'rpm -bb' manually on the generated spec file.`
`13:42.04`	`larsl`	`Jormungandr: Yes, I even built the whole thing in the source directory.`
`13:42.08`	`Jormungandr`	`wierd.`
`13:42.30`	`larsl`	`Yes.`
`13:42.34`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah.. my guess is that it's not handling a spec file right.`
`13:42.44`	`Jormungandr`	`which is not at all uncommon`
`13:42.56`	`Jormungandr`	`it's typical to have to manually generate one.`
`13:44.01`	`larsl`	`How do I make a source dist from the CVS code?`
`13:44.24`	`Jormungandr`	`rpm dist?`
`13:44.39`	`larsl`	`No, just a tarball with the source.`
`13:44.46`	`larsl`	`To use with rpm.`
`13:44.58`	`larsl`	`So I won't have to rename it manually every time.`
`13:45.15`	`larsl`	`There doesn't seem to be a 'dist' target.`
`13:45.17`	`Jormungandr`	`find your dir and do tar -cvf bzflag.tar bzflag (from the dir just before the bzflag dir)`
`13:45.38`	`Jormungandr`	`then gzip -9 bzflag.tar to get tar.gz`
`13:46.09`	`larsl`	`Yes, that's what I did. But then I have to edit the spec file too, since it expects the source directory to be called bzflag-1.7g1.`
`13:46.19`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`13:46.41`	`Jormungandr`	`well, you can mv bzflag bzflag-1.7g1, then tar it up`
`13:46.48`	`Jormungandr`	`that'd fix that problem.`
`13:46.56`	`larsl`	`Yes, that's probably the easiest way.`
`13:47.13`	`Jormungandr`	`I don't mess with packages too much.`
`13:47.16`	`larsl`	`It would be really nice if bzflag used automake, with all the standard targets. =)`
`13:47.21`	`Jormungandr`	`I prefer to just work off of cvs.`
`13:47.38`	`Jormungandr`	`as TimRiker would say, "Patches welcome."`
`13:47.39`	`Jormungandr`	`;)`
`13:47.42`	`larsl`	`Yeah...`
`13:47.55`	`larsl`	`I might do that some time.`
`13:47.57`	`Jormungandr`	`I'd like to see automake, too.`
`13:48.17`	`Jormungandr`	`also, fixing the linux compile so it's not so sloppy with all the warnings.`
`13:48.43`	`larsl`	`I saw some threads on the SF forum about autoconf/automake - appearantly it was a lot of work.`
`13:48.52`	`Jormungandr`	`it is.`
`13:49.01`	`Jormungandr`	`but once it's done, things are so much nicer.`
`13:49.20`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm not a coder, so I am not up to that task. :)`
`13:51.05`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`13:51.38`	`larsl`	`Cool, I haven't seen that before.`
`13:51.38`	`Jormungandr`	`5 people on my server at 10 til 7 in the morning.`
`13:51.54`	`Jormungandr`	`that just wierds me out, then I remember that we are one global village. ;)`
`13:52.11`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`13:52.44`	`larsl`	`How does it do that? Do the servers report the players to the list server?`
`13:53.01`	`Jormungandr`	`the server reports the number of players to the list server.`
`13:53.16`	`Jormungandr`	`then the second query goes directly to the server`
`13:53.20`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`13:53.32`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzfquery dragon.org:5155`
`13:55.24`	`Jormungandr`	`you can see player/bandwidth corellation with the new tools in the misc dir if you check out list.bzflag.org or mrtg.tiphareth.net`
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`13:55.41`	`ak\|ra`	`r`
`13:56.03`	`Jormungandr`	`re`
`13:57.09`	`Jormungandr`	`back in a few...`
`14:03.23`	`Jormungandr`	`brrr. cold outside.`
`14:14.05`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`14:14.16`	`doughecka`	`~hashmark`
`14:15.34`	`larsl`	`Ah, it's 'make tarball', not 'make dist'.`
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`15:36.06`	`jraitala`	`~ducati6`
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`17:00.08`	`Jormungandr`	`good morning PL221`
`17:00.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it's morning?`
`17:00.38`	`Jormungandr`	`is here :)`
`17:00.40`	`Jormungandr`	`10:01`
`17:01.06`	`Patlabor221`	`guess that means I should wake up`
`17:01.16`	`Jormungandr`	`I've been up for 5 hours. :/`
`17:02.28`	`Patlabor221`	`just got up`
`17:02.40`	`Patlabor221`	`gotta go mow me dads lawn in a bit`
`17:02.47`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm still really sleepy`
`17:02.49`	`Patlabor221`	`since he still can't quite walk right`
`17:02.56`	`Jormungandr`	`why not?`
`17:03.15`	`Patlabor221`	`he fell and tore some of the tissues on the top of his foot`
`17:03.20`	`Jormungandr`	`ow`
`17:03.21`	`Patlabor221`	`got al swolen`
`17:03.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`17:04.34`	`Jormungandr`	`this job is terrible for trying to stay awake on a sunday morning.`
`17:04.44`	`Jormungandr`	`lots of droning noise in the background and no work to do.`
`17:05.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhh tht's gotta suck`
`17:05.50`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`17:06.08`	`Jormungandr`	`oooh... time to shutdown and adjust server`
`17:07.28`	`Jormungandr`	`there.`
`17:07.37`	`Jormungandr`	`added extra +f CL and +f ST`
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`17:11.10`	`ak\|ra`	`re`
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`17:14.23`	`PerfectCe`	`juhu`
`17:18.36`	`PerfectCell`	`Patlabor221:i s there an option to hide show textures in bzedit?`
`17:22.42`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`17:24.14`	`PerfectCell`	`how do i do the hit test, mouse over object ?`
`17:25.23`	`Patlabor221`	`begindraw`
`17:25.28`	`Patlabor221`	`beginselect`
`17:25.37`	`Patlabor221`	`then render with names`
`17:25.42`	`Patlabor221`	`then end sleect`
`17:25.47`	`Patlabor221`	`the view does it`
`17:26.47`	`PerfectCell`	`ah`
`17:27.36`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`17:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`much more efective then a bandaid.`
`17:28.09`	`Jormungandr`	`wow... first phone call at work, and I've been here for 5 hours.`
`17:28.23`	`Jormungandr`	`do you get that bandaid glue stuff?`
`17:30.15`	`Patlabor221`	`it's skin rated`
`17:30.21`	`Jormungandr`	`cool :)`
`17:30.23`	`Patlabor221`	`works well`
`17:30.35`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not crazyglue, or nail glue :)`
`17:30.41`	`Jormungandr`	`I know people that use superglue. I have to remind them now and again.`
`17:31.15`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah those are for crap`
`17:31.30`	`Jormungandr`	`they work, they just aren't terribly healtyh.`
`17:31.36`	`Jormungandr`	`healthy`
`17:31.38`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`17:32.01`	`Patlabor221`	`there is no way to put a bandaid on a fingertip`
`17:32.05`	`Patlabor221`	`so glue it is.`
`17:32.18`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:32.25`	`Jormungandr`	`bandaid makes skin glue`
`17:33.30`	`Patlabor221`	`this is vet stuff, very simialr :)`
`17:33.38`	`Patlabor221`	`ok time to go mow`
`17:33.41`	`Patlabor221`	`see ya all later`
`17:34.26`	`doughecka`	`MOW!?!?!?!`
`17:34.39`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`17:34.52`	`doughecka`	`ITS SNOWING HERE!`
`17:35.04`	`Jormungandr`	`supposed to be 73 here today`
`17:35.09`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`17:35.22`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`17:35.33`	`doughecka`	`brb`
`17:44.06`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm... how about a map that is a monkey cage?`
`17:44.26`	`Jormungandr`	`with bars all around, and jungle gym types of obstacles`
`17:45.23`	`Jormungandr`	`a little food chute that you can jump into that teleports you to a spot on top of the cage. :)`
`17:57.22`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`17:57.32`	`Jormungandr`	`~dragon`
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`18:14.39`	`Jormungandr`	`Good morning, TimRiker`
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`18:18.20`	`TimRiker`	`morning, just checkin in.. gotta run already.`
`18:25.02`	`hardwire`	`he loves his people..`
`18:27.25`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
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`18:58.18`	`strayer`	`anyone here who runs CGI:IRC on his/her server?`
`19:01.34`	`larsl`	`What's CGI:IRC?`
`19:02.22`	`larsl`	`~xmission`
`19:02.38`	`jraitala`	`~ducati6`
`19:14.46`	`Jormungandr`	`I've considered running it, but haven't set it up.`
`19:15.02`	`doughecka`	`cgi-irc?`
`19:16.05`	`strayer`	`doughecka: U don't know it?`
`19:16.11`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`19:16.13`	`doughecka`	`I know it`
`19:16.29`	`doughecka`	`stats.bzflag.org had a link.. someone else is hosting it now, but I cant remember who`
`19:17.04`	`strayer`	`aha...ok....I have problems with the configuration, that's why I asked`
`19:17.16`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:17.25`	`doughecka`	`I dunno anything about setting it up`
`19:19.37`	`strayer`	`ok...np`
`19:20.49`	`larsl`	`What is it?`
`19:21.39`	`doughecka`	`a irc client that runs on a webserver`
`19:21.49`	`doughecka`	`~google for cgiirc`
`19:22.01`	`larsl`	`Ah.`
`19:26.21`	`Jormungandr`	`why grumbling, doug?`
`19:26.44`	`doughecka`	`I had to download pocket streets 2001 for my PDA, since its a 2.0 CE device... not 2.11`
`19:26.54`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`19:26.55`	`doughecka`	`cant use 2002 on ce 2`
`19:27.03`	`doughecka`	`unless its a handheld pda`
`19:27.07`	`doughecka`	`not a palmtop`
`19:27.11`	`Jormungandr`	`window ce is such a crap shoot`
`19:27.13`	`doughecka`	`I dont know what the diference is`
`19:27.15`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:27.27`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`19:28.00`	`Jormungandr`	`I have something called a Vadem Clio.`
`19:28.10`	`Jormungandr`	`it's a cool touchscreen CE pad.`
`19:28.13`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`19:28.19`	`stibnite`	`sounds dirty`
`19:28.24`	`Jormungandr`	`but the company is no longer in business`
`19:28.26`	`doughecka`	`strayer: haha`
`19:28.33`	`Jormungandr`	`so support for it is non-existant.`
`19:28.40`	`strayer`	`doughecka: uhg?`
`19:28.47`	`Jormungandr`	`I am going to buy a pdf viewer for it.`
`19:28.51`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: mines a philips nino 300, but they dont make PDAs any longer`
`19:28.53`	`Jormungandr`	`and use it to read e-books.`
`19:28.58`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: I read ebooks on mine too`
`19:28.58`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:29.01`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`19:29.02`	`doughecka`	`I use mobipocket`
`19:29.26`	`stibnite`	`so dough, you carry the power of 'El Nino' with you everwhere?`
`19:29.27`	`doughecka`	`PDF =! PDA... :)`
`19:29.28`	`Jormungandr`	`I have some things in ebook format that I need to read, but hate sitting at a computer to read for long periods of time.`
`19:29.30`	`stibnite`	`lol dough`
`19:29.31`	`stibnite`	`hehe`
`19:29.35`	`doughecka`	`stibnite: lol`
`19:29.43`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: ah`
`19:29.51`	`Jormungandr`	`I COULD print them out, I suppose.`
`19:29.54`	`Jormungandr`	`but that takes time.`
`19:30.03`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`19:30.08`	`doughecka`	`inkjet?`
`19:30.19`	`Jormungandr`	`so, I put them on CF and hopefully can read them with clio eventually.`
`19:30.28`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:30.30`	`Jormungandr`	`I have an old lexmark laser printer.`
`19:30.35`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`19:30.40`	`Jormungandr`	`it's fast enough, but still time consuming.`
`19:30.43`	`Jormungandr`	`I also have inkjet.`
`19:30.52`	`Jormungandr`	`there is NO way I'd print it with that.`
`19:30.55`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`19:30.58`	`Jormungandr`	`very expensive for ink.`
`19:31.02`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`19:31.09`	`Jormungandr`	`I use it to print out my artwork.`
`19:31.14`	`doughecka`	`this printer can print duplex`
`19:31.18`	`Jormungandr`	`and photography.`
`19:31.19`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:31.23`	`doughecka`	`so we can print books`
`19:32.35`	`stibnite`	`in college, they once filled a printer with toner and then had to do it again the next day.`
`19:32.44`	`stibnite`	`they had a technician come inspect for 'leaks'`
`19:32.46`	`Jormungandr`	`I am looking for a good program that I can format a book layout using 8.5x11 or 8.5x14 books.`
`19:32.47`	`doughecka`	`hahaha`
`19:32.59`	`Jormungandr`	`doing the folding and stapling in the middle method.`
`19:33.08`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hmm, quark express :P`
`19:33.13`	`stibnite`	`i never let on that i had just printed ~2000 pages of documentation`
`19:33.13`	`Jormungandr`	`does it?`
`19:33.18`	`Jormungandr`	`I thought I tried that`
`19:33.19`	`doughecka`	`dunno`
`19:33.30`	`doughecka`	`stibnite: lol`
`19:33.45`	`doughecka`	`stibnite: what did you print? the linux kernel source code?`
`19:33.57`	`Jormungandr`	`I have so many documents that I need to publish for the Order this year, and no decent solution for doing them in book form.`
`19:34.04`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`19:34.11`	`stibnite`	`oh, kerberos manuals, i'm trying to think of what else`
`19:34.19`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:34.20`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`19:34.25`	`doughecka`	`brb`
`19:34.38`	`stibnite`	`some latex docs`
`19:34.40`	`strayer`	`doughecka: I don't hope so ;)`
`19:34.52`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`19:35.00`	`stibnite`	`war and peace`
`19:35.06`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`19:35.26`	`doughecka`	`bah, strayer and stibnite are too close in my irc client... hit tab and get one or the other.. :P`
`19:35.40`	`Jormungandr`	`we've been printing out the half pages, and pasting them on to full pages, and photocopying. it's a huge pain.`
`19:35.51`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: ick`
`19:35.57`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: go have them printed`
`19:36.00`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:36.04`	`doughecka`	`print on demand etc`
`19:36.40`	`Jormungandr`	`the setup fee is terrible, and I've had to reject projects 2 or 3 times because of errors.`
`19:36.53`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`19:37.06`	`Jormungandr`	`we were told that if we did it in PDF, they could print it in book form.`
`19:37.14`	`Jormungandr`	`which turned out to be incorrect.`
`19:37.35`	`doughecka`	`get a xante accel writer with the duplexer... prints it out on both sides, and if you use big paper, you can just staple it in the center`
`19:37.39`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`19:37.52`	`doughecka`	`kinko's =! print shop`
`19:38.09`	`Jormungandr`	`I suppose I should find a real print shop.`
`19:38.11`	`doughecka`	`its more like a place you go to get things printed... not really a place to get books printed`
`19:38.40`	`Jormungandr`	`the problem being that a contemplative Order doesn't have a huge budget for printing. :)`
`19:38.49`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: yea... some small places do things like that.. they should have a docutech I think its call... and its basicly a huge laser printer`
`19:38.54`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: heh`
`19:38.54`	`Jormungandr`	`I'd prefer to do it on my laserprinter at home.`
`19:39.24`	`Jormungandr`	`we get donated toner cartridges. I have like 4 spares now. :)`
`19:39.32`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`19:39.44`	`doughecka`	`toner is expensive...`
`19:39.44`	`Jormungandr`	`if I could print it at home, it'd rule.`
`19:39.46`	`Jormungandr`	`yes`
`19:39.49`	`doughecka`	`but they last long`
`19:40.00`	`Jormungandr`	`these are good for about 3-4K pages.`
`19:40.16`	`doughecka`	`we used to have a old laserprinter... it does after printing over 10000 pages...`
`19:40.22`	`doughecka`	`does/died`
`19:40.25`	`Jormungandr`	`wow`
`19:40.30`	`doughecka`	`and it still ran`
`19:40.38`	`doughecka`	`the pages where only light`
`19:40.43`	`Jormungandr`	`I got my lexmark used, but it's been a great printer, if not a little squeaky.`
`19:40.49`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`19:41.06`	`Jormungandr`	`it's an office duty printer, so it works well.`
`19:41.13`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`19:41.16`	`Jormungandr`	`not like my old NEC scriptwriter. :(`
`19:41.20`	`doughecka`	`LOL`
`19:41.46`	`Jormungandr`	`I do love my inkjet printer though. I have the deskjet 1220c and it'll print as large as 13x19`
`19:41.57`	`doughecka`	`bah, pocket streets 2001 cant open 2002 files`
`19:42.00`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`19:42.30`	`Jormungandr`	`I print all my artwork on watercolor paper or canvas, both specially made for inkjet printers.`
`19:43.00`	`doughecka`	`cool`
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`19:46.18`	`doughecka`	`Pocket Streets runs on Windows CE 2.0 (or later) and requires a minimum of 375K to run the application.`
`19:46.23`	`doughecka`	`I have that....`
`19:46.36`	`Jormungandr`	`so why doesn't it work?`
`19:46.44`	`doughecka`	`well`
`19:46.49`	`doughecka`	`they dint say the whole thing...`
`19:47.08`	`doughecka`	`it runs on 2.0 handheld CE pcs... but not 2.0 palm devices`
`19:47.23`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`19:52.12`	`doughecka`	`aha!`
`19:53.33`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`19:53.43`	`doughecka`	`heres the read me: Note: Pocket Streets 2002 can only be used with Pocket PC's, Palm-Sized PC's running Windows CE 2.11 or later, or HPC's running Windows CE 2.0 or later.`
`19:53.54`	`Jormungandr`	`:(`
`19:55.17`	`doughecka`	`hmm, maybe I can modify my registry to say its a Handheld`
`19:55.19`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:55.42`	`doughecka`	`where IS the registry kept on pcs anyway?`
`19:56.01`	`Jormungandr`	`good question.`
`19:56.06`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`19:56.37`	`Jormungandr`	`why don't you just upgrade to a compatible device, or get another maps program?`
`19:56.46`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`19:56.54`	`doughecka`	`cuz I dont have money for either of those`
`19:56.55`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:57.01`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`19:57.17`	`doughecka`	`donates accepted`
`19:57.38`	`Jormungandr`	`sounds familiar ;)`
`19:57.45`	`doughecka`	`hmm`
`19:57.50`	`doughecka`	`donations welcome`
`19:57.52`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`19:58.17`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`19:58.21`	`Jormungandr`	`"alms for the poor!"`
`19:58.35`	`doughecka`	`"palms for the poor!"`
`19:58.51`	`Jormungandr`	`I could wear my habit and tell people that they'll burn in hell for not giving. ;)`
`19:58.59`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:00.53`	`doughecka`	`hah, found a windows ce regedit`
`20:00.58`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm`
`20:01.07`	`doughecka`	`too bad this doesnt have a keyboard...`
`20:01.09`	`Jormungandr`	`what happens if you totally hose your device?`
`20:01.15`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:01.16`	`doughecka`	`I do a hardware reset`
`20:01.19`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`20:01.22`	`Jormungandr`	`snort`
`20:01.25`	`doughecka`	`the system gets held in a ROM`
`20:01.30`	`doughecka`	`so if I hose it up`
`20:01.48`	`doughecka`	`I just do a little button hold thingy, and "presto" new PDA :)`
`20:01.54`	`Jormungandr`	`hray!`
`20:02.00`	`Jormungandr`	`I need to find that pdf software again.`
`20:02.16`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`20:02.20`	`Jormungandr`	`it's like 70 bucks`
`20:03.01`	`doughecka`	`ick`
`20:03.19`	`Jormungandr`	`pdf to text?`
`20:03.36`	`Jormungandr`	`I wish ms word for the clio would open pdf.`
`20:03.44`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`20:03.47`	`doughecka`	`sure`
`20:03.53`	`doughecka`	`just print or something..`
`20:03.55`	`doughecka`	`get the text out`
`20:04.00`	`Jormungandr`	`hm.`
`20:04.03`	`doughecka`	`~google for pdf2txt`
`20:04.05`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`20:04.13`	`doughecka`	`PRESTO!`
`20:04.19`	`doughecka`	`google works again!`
`20:04.20`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm.`
`20:04.27`	`Jormungandr`	`I'll check it out when I get home.`
`20:04.29`	`doughecka`	`k`
`20:04.31`	`Jormungandr`	`2.5 hours left!`
`20:04.43`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:04.53`	`doughecka`	`2.48 hours left!`
`20:04.54`	`Jormungandr`	`chris is bringing me some panda express for lunch, too. YUM!`
`20:05.01`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:10.10`	`Jormungandr`	`hrm`
`20:10.30`	`*** join/#bzflag Scorp (~Mike@adsl-67-119-12-8.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net)`
`20:10.33`	`Jormungandr`	`I wonder how many people realize the words "too" and "to" actually sound a little different.`
`20:10.48`	`Scorp`	`guys how do I chat in the game and how do I make it full screen? it only takes up 1/4th of my screen im in 1024x768`
`20:10.59`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~42e70dbc@203.194.240.139)`
`20:11.05`	`Jormungandr`	`scorp, what platform?`
`20:11.12`	`Scorp`	`Gentoo Linux/PPC`
`20:11.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim here?`
`20:11.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Nope`
`20:11.47`	`Jormungandr`	`to chat, hit "n" and type to all. hit "m" and type to team. , and . also let you message individuals or last person to shoot you`
`20:11.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~seen TimRiker`
`20:11.55`		`timriker <timr@rikers.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1h 53m 35s ago, saying: 'morning, just checkin in.. gotta run already.'.`
`20:12.08`	`Jormungandr`	`and you are just running bzflag by itself or with arguements?`
`20:12.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Dang`
`20:12.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh...Church I bet`
`20:12.23`	`Jormungandr`	`could be.`
`20:12.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Is Tim a LDS?`
`20:12.45`	`Jormungandr`	`dunno`
`20:12.49`	`doughecka`	`LDS?`
`20:12.53`	`Jormungandr`	`mormon`
`20:12.55`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:12.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Are you?`
`20:13.02`	`doughecka`	`I dont think so`
`20:13.09`	`doughecka`	`he has only one wife... ;)`
`20:13.23`	`Jormungandr`	`no. not mormon.`
`20:13.24`	`doughecka`	`I aint either`
`20:13.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`That was stopped soon after Joseph Smith's time`
`20:13.37`	`doughecka`	`[STC]_creeperz: it was a joke... like hahah`
`20:13.41`	`doughecka`	`;)`
`20:13.52`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm a catholic priest/monk (not associated with Rome)`
`20:13.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`doughecka: haha`
`20:13.54`	`Scorp`	`thanks for the help with the chatting but how do I make the game full screen?`
`20:14.05`	`Scorp`	`I'm Gentoo Linux/PPC`
`20:14.14`	`Jormungandr`	`are you running with any command line options?`
`20:14.18`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: in options there should be an option to switch to full screen/res`
`20:15.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm gunna go play BZFlag...Someone ask Tim if he is LDS? Please, someone?`
`20:15.10`	`Jormungandr`	`default is fullscreen. make sure you are not running with -window option.`
`20:15.11`	`doughecka`	`bah, it still wont let me install pocket streets 2002`
`20:15.21`	`doughecka`	`[STC]_creeperz: yea...`
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`20:15.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, thnx`
`20:15.33`	`michaelh20`	`any vb people here?`
`20:15.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Later people`
`20:15.40`	`Scorp`	`doughhecka i can't find it`
`20:15.52`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: huh`
`20:15.59`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: beats the fire out of me`
`20:16.02`	`michaelh20`	`does VB have a MAX_INT / MAX_DOUBLE etc.. ?`
`20:16.18`	`Jormungandr`	`scorp. how are you running bzflag?`
`20:16.47`	`Scorp`	`I got Dithering, Blending, Lighting, Texturing, Quality, Shadows, Depth Buffer, Brightness, Sound Volume UDP network connections, change key mapping GUI options`
`20:16.55`	`Jormungandr`	`the command line`
`20:16.59`	`Scorp`	`Jormungandr: I just ran it in aterm from gnome`
`20:17.12`	`Jormungandr`	`just "bzflag" ?`
`20:17.17`	`Scorp`	`yup`
`20:17.27`	`Jormungandr`	`what vid card?`
`20:17.44`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E951C3.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:17.52`	`Scorp`	`ATI Rage 128 8mb vid Mobility it's in my powerbook laptop (g3 pismo)`
`20:18.08`	`Jormungandr`	`ah. hrm.`
`20:18.15`	`Jormungandr`	`that might be the issue.`
`20:18.34`	`doughecka`	`POWERBOOK!`
`20:18.35`	`doughecka`	`woo`
`20:18.38`	`doughecka`	`a MAC USER!`
`20:18.40`	`Jormungandr`	`mac behavior might be different.`
`20:18.49`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: thats an understatement...`
`20:18.59`	`Scorp`	`ok Jormungandr thanks I guess I can live with it this way.`
`20:19.02`	`Jormungandr`	`I know that you have to use -3dfx if you have voodoo to get full screen.`
`20:19.11`	`Jormungandr`	`scorp, it might be fixable.`
`20:19.16`	`Jormungandr`	`I'll poke around in docs for you.`
`20:19.25`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: try booting with out extentions? ;)`
`20:19.41`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: or rebuilding the desktop? :P`
`20:19.47`	`Scorp`	`doughhecka I'm using linux`
`20:19.55`	`doughecka`	`yea...`
`20:19.56`	`Jormungandr`	`also.. with 8mb, you might try switching to 640x480 and testing it there.`
`20:19.56`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`20:20.19`	`Jormungandr`	`rage 128 is a little slow for full screen on a mac.`
`20:20.25`	`doughecka`	`indeed`
`20:20.28`	`Jormungandr`	`which is why I need a new vid card for my mac. :(`
`20:20.49`	`Jormungandr`	`can't find anything else in docs.`
`20:21.07`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: but does the game play well?`
`20:21.08`	`Scorp`	`Jormunadr the game works fine it's just a little screen, I can't switch resolutions im on a laptop.`
`20:21.12`	`Scorp`	`the game plays well`
`20:21.20`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: wierd...`
`20:21.38`	`Jormungandr`	`maybe that's how I can get a better performance on my mac... switch to windowed :)`
`20:21.45`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:21.55`	`Scorp`	`the way I got better performance on my mac was by losing OS X`
`20:22.01`	`doughecka`	`hehe`
`20:22.08`	`Jormungandr`	`I can't do that, unfortunately.`
`20:22.17`	`Scorp`	`oh, why don't you dual boot?`
`20:22.20`	`Jormungandr`	`I do a lot of design stuff with photoshop, etc.`
`20:22.24`	`Jormungandr`	`drive space.`
`20:22.31`	`Scorp`	`oh`
`20:22.34`	`doughecka`	`my dad has a g4 933 powermac with 1 gig of ram.. bzflag screams`
`20:22.38`	`Jormungandr`	`I use a LOT for production stuff.`
`20:22.46`	`Scorp`	`doughhecka is it full screen?`
`20:22.55`	`Jormungandr`	`and I have linux on 2 servers, one PC desktop and my home fileserver. :)`
`20:22.57`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`20:23.12`	`Jormungandr`	`~bzflist`
`20:23.14`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hehe... :)`
`20:23.26`	`doughecka`	`~kill creeperz`
`20:23.28`		`ACTION slits creeperz's throat`
`20:23.29`	`Jormungandr`	`heh. those servers are screaming!`
`20:23.31`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:23.33`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`20:23.37`	`Scorp`	`hmm I can'`
`20:23.42`	`doughecka`	`80 people playing!`
`20:23.44`	`Scorp`	`t open the server list`
`20:23.44`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`20:23.55`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: in bzflag?`
`20:24.12`	`Jormungandr`	`try connecting directly using one of those servers.`
`20:24.31`	`Scorp`	`yup`
`20:24.50`	`Jormungandr`	`~secretplace`
`20:25.00`	`Jormungandr`	`~dragon`
`20:25.07`	`Jormungandr`	`that's just funny`
`20:25.24`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:25.29`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: spirals up?`
`20:25.45`	`Jormungandr`	`yup`
`20:25.46`	`Jormungandr`	`brb`
`20:26.11`	`michaelh20`	`~kill self`
`20:26.13`		`ACTION slits self's throat`
`20:26.25`	`doughecka`	`~kill his own`
`20:26.27`		`ACTION slits his own's throat`
`20:26.30`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`20:26.44`	`michaelh20`	`he's grammatically incorrect`
`20:26.51`	`doughecka`	`hah`
`20:26.54`	`PerfectCell`	`bah`
`20:27.44`	`michaelh20`	`I'm having fun learning VB .. :)`
`20:27.49`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:27.59`	`michaelh20`	`the cross-platform choice of all !`
`20:28.04`	`PerfectCell`	`yeah`
`20:28.06`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`20:28.39`	`michaelh20`	`Except I'm using VB Butchered Edition -- or VBA for excel`
`20:28.48`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:29.08`	`Scorp`	`wow I'm gettign wasted`
`20:29.15`	`michaelh20`	`Everytime I run the macro it resets to looking right at the form`
`20:29.23`	`michaelh20`	`instead of at the code I'm editing`
`20:29.33`	`Scorp`	`i am -8 now lopl`
`20:29.41`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:29.47`	`Jormungandr`	`I've had as many as -78`
`20:29.47`	`doughecka`	`Scorp: hah`
`20:29.49`	`doughecka`	`michaelh20: hah`
`20:29.53`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: hah`
`20:29.58`	`Jormungandr`	`and as high as 51`
`20:30.14`	`michaelh20`	`So I have to click a button to see the code I'm editing each and every time I run it`
`20:30.39`	`michaelh20`	`There's no elseIf ..... gone`
`20:30.44`	`michaelh20`	`ClipBoard.... gone`
`20:30.48`	`*** join/#bzflag ak\|ra (~mathias@pD95331C9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`20:30.48`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:30.53`	`Jormungandr`	`2 hours left!`
`20:31.04`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: woo`
`20:31.17`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: shouldnt you be doing something like.... work?`
`20:31.26`	`doughecka`	`;)`
`20:31.27`	`Jormungandr`	`nothing to do on sundays`
`20:31.32`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`20:31.35`	`Jormungandr`	`sit and wait for email or phone to ring`
`20:31.39`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:31.41`	`Jormungandr`	`we are a call center`
`20:31.53`	`michaelh20`	`Do you get to work at all odd hours of the day?`
`20:31.59`	`michaelh20`	`or do you get a set schedule?`
`20:32.11`	`Jormungandr`	`my secular job is on a set schedule.`
`20:32.20`	`Jormungandr`	`my non-secular job is 24/7`
`20:32.26`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`20:32.32`	`Jormungandr`	`I do lots of counseling at 3 am`
`20:32.34`	`michaelh20`	`I can't figure out why they have these fancy scheduling programs and then`
`20:32.42`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: ugh`
`20:32.44`	`michaelh20`	`they have to schedule you at any time 7 days a week`
`20:33.26`	`michaelh20`	`(for some call center jobs)`
`20:33.29`	`Jormungandr`	`doug, it goes in phases. sometimes I don't get a call for weeks and weeks, and other times, it's 3 or 4 calls a day for my Order duties.`
`20:33.43`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: ah`
`20:33.49`	`michaelh20`	`ah so!`
`20:33.56`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`20:34.10`	`michaelh20`	`Quick.. formula for standard deviation.....`
`20:34.14`	`Jormungandr`	`you can't say no to someone who really has hit a pothole on the road of life.`
`20:34.14`	`michaelh20`	`hurry up!`
`20:35.04`	`michaelh20`	`sure you can`
`20:35.07`	`doughecka`	`~convert 10 dollers to cents`
`20:35.14`	`doughecka`	`michaelh20: no`
`20:35.24`	`doughecka`	`michaelh20: :P`
`20:35.36`	`Jormungandr`	`~spell dollers`
`20:35.39`		`possible spellings for dollers: dollars dollies doles dolls Dolley's Dollie's dalliers dialers dollar's tillers Dole's Doll's Dulles dole's doll's dolors hollers rollers Dolli's Dolly's Doyle's dealers dolly's duelers tellers toilers toolers dillies drillers dills fillers Dillie's dallier's dialer's tiller's dolled Dill's Dolores dallies dill's dillis doers doilies dolor's tilers`
`20:35.39`	`Jormungandr`	`;)`
`20:35.46`	`doughecka`	`DILLIES!`
`20:36.00`	`michaelh20`	`~spell fart`
`20:36.00`		`'fart' may be spelled correctly`
`20:36.01`	`doughecka`	`~convert 100000 dollars to cents`
`20:36.08`	`doughecka`	`oh bah`
`20:36.19`	`michaelh20`	`~spell ooogawoogawooga`
`20:36.19`		`possible spellings for ooogawoogawooga: wigwag Oconomowoc Aconcagua`
`20:36.26`	`Scorp`	`what does sealed mean?`
`20:36.33`	`Scorp`	`I'm in a pyramid and it says "sealed"`
`20:36.34`	`Jormungandr`	`I've been to oconomowoc`
`20:36.39`	`michaelh20`	`You can't go inside your house?`
`20:36.53`	`michaelh20`	`They found the bodies?`
`20:36.53`	`Jormungandr`	`means you have oscillation overthruster`
`20:37.01`	`Jormungandr`	`and you can't shoot while you are in there`
`20:37.04`	`Jormungandr`	`or drop a flag`
`20:37.11`	`michaelh20`	`Unless you cheat :)`
`20:37.20`	`Jormungandr`	`which is a bad thing :)`
`20:37.28`	`doughecka`	`dropping your flag inside a building would suck`
`20:37.32`	`Scorp`	`oh ok`
`20:37.36`	`doughecka`	`you would be... stuck`
`20:37.52`	`michaelh20`	`we thought you were away`
`20:38.24`	`Jormungandr`	`even when doug is here, he is REALLY away. ;)`
`20:41.44`	`ak\|ra`	`re`
`20:41.53`	`Jormungandr`	`re`
`20:44.32`	`Scorp`	`is there anyway to aim up or down?`
`20:44.33`	`michaelh20`	`rem`
`20:44.48`	`michaelh20`	`F12 ?`
`20:44.51`	`michaelh20`	`no j/k`
`20:45.00`	`michaelh20`	`don't do that`
`20:45.12`	`michaelh20`	`or wait.. you're on mac ? :)`
`20:45.14`	`Scorp`	`heh I know what that does`
`20:45.31`	`michaelh20`	`it's the secret cheat key :)`
`20:46.21`	`Scorp`	`which is`
`20:46.22`	`Scorp`	`?`
`20:47.59`	`michaelh20`	`F12`
`20:48.06`	`Jormungandr`	`no way to aim/updown`
`20:48.15`	`michaelh20`	`nope`
`20:48.18`	`Jormungandr`	`f12 exits the program`
`20:48.24`	`Jormungandr`	`normally`
`20:48.31`	`Jormungandr`	`hard to tell on a mac :)`
`20:48.34`	`Jormungandr`	`I never tried`
`20:49.19`	`Scorp`	`I see people shotting upwards though and at various angles`
`20:49.28`	`Jormungandr`	`that's with guided missile`
`20:49.39`	`Jormungandr`	`or bouncing off of pyramids`
`20:51.24`	`Scorp`	`hmm I see, how do you get guided missles? is there a game manual online lol?`
`20:52.29`	`Jormungandr`	`you have to grab a flag`
`20:52.49`	`Jormungandr`	`each flag has a different advantage/disadvantage`
`20:52.57`	`Jormungandr`	`there are good and bad flags.`
`20:53.20`	`Scorp`	`do I have to do anything with the flags like bring them somwhere?`
`20:53.50`	`Jormungandr`	`no.. there is a capture the flag mode, but you'd know if you were playing by the colored bases.`
`20:54.00`	`Jormungandr`	`just grab a flag and see what it says.`
`20:54.13`	`Jormungandr`	`if it's bad, it'll hang on for a number of seconds before it can be dropped.`
`20:54.16`	`Scorp`	`oh ok`
`20:54.21`	`Jormungandr`	`that time frame is configurable on teh server`
`20:54.25`	`Scorp`	`f to drop the flag?`
`20:54.29`	`Jormungandr`	`space`
`20:54.36`	`Jormungandr`	`space drops`
`20:54.48`	`Scorp`	`ok ty`
`20:54.51`	`Jormungandr`	`np`
`20:55.16`	`Jormungandr`	`if you shoot someone while you have a bad flag, it may autodrop, depending on the server configuration.`
`20:59.33`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~42e70dbc@203.194.240.139)`
`20:59.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No Tim?`
`20:59.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`21:01.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`n/msg ibot ~suicide is <reply> KILL ME!`
`21:01.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`21:01.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`21:01.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, ~suicide?`
`21:01.54`		`KILL ME!`
`21:02.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Haha`
`21:02.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`21:02.22`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~<reply> KILL ME!`
`21:03.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, when doug speaks, say "shut up, doug"`
`21:03.05`		`bugger all, i dunno, [STC]_creeperz`
`21:03.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Lol`
`21:03.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~news`
`21:03.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~postnews`
`21:03.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~post news BZFlag is awesome!`
`21:03.51`		`[STC]_creeperz: okay`
`21:03.57`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~news`
`21:04.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, bzflag?`
`21:04.10`		`extra, extra, read all about it, bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming`
`21:04.46`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Timriker?`
`21:04.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, timriker?`
`21:04.53`		`well, bzflag is mailto:Tim@Rikers.org or the former CTO of Embedix, Inc. (Lineo) and maintainer of the 3D internet multiplayer multiplatform (linux, irix, win32, etc) opensource opengl Battlezone capture the flag game of the same name that you must try at http://BZFlag.org/ or a continual development project with periodic gaming`
`21:05.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, tim?`
`21:05.13`		`it has been said that tim is cool or the maintainer of BZFlag`
`21:05.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, [stc]?`
`21:05.29`		`[STC]_creeperz: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`21:05.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, stc?`
`21:05.36`		`i guess stc is spine tinglaz clan, name property of [STC] creeperz`
`21:06.07`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, stc?`
`21:06.08`		`somebody said stc was spine tinglaz clan, name property of [STC] creeperz`
`21:06.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, [stc]?`
`21:06.16`		`i guess [stc] is spine tinglaz clan, name property of [STC] creeperz`
`21:06.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyone on?`
`21:08.16`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-67-114-230-166.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`21:09.20`	`Patlabor221`	`Just for the record: I loathe yard work :(`
`21:09.57`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`good night all`
`21:10.06`	`ak\|ra`	`bye`
`21:10.07`	`*** part/#bzflag ak\|ra (~mathias@pD95331C9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:10.15`	`Patlabor221`	`seya`
`21:10.51`	`*** part/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E951C3.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`21:12.01`	`PerfectCell`	`Patlabor221: i want to add a toolbar button how can i do that, since the toolbar seems to be a bitmap(?) ?`
`21:12.30`	`Patlabor221`	`it's a toolbar resource`
`21:12.39`	`Patlabor221`	`make a new CToolbar in CMainFrame`
`21:12.42`	`Patlabor221`	`and atach it`
`21:12.49`	`Patlabor221`	`then put in some message handlaers`
`21:13.59`	`PerfectCell`	`and how do i add a button to the main toolbar that already exists?`
`21:14.16`	`Patlabor221`	`add one to the existing toolbar resource`
`21:14.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and add a message handaler`
`21:14.21`	`PerfectCell`	`IDR_MAINFRAME`
`21:14.36`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah should be it`
`21:15.16`	`PerfectCell`	`but VC7, cannot find a option to add a button`
`21:15.36`	`PerfectCell`	`oh, got it`
`21:15.41`	`Patlabor221`	`just draw a new one`
`21:15.53`	`PerfectCell`	`it does when drawing one pixel at least`
`21:17.16`	`PerfectCell`	`i have inserted code to interactivli create a box like in 3d studio on the grid`
`21:20.04`	`PerfectCell`	`with 3 mouse clicks`
`21:25.42`	`PerfectCell`	`but somehow i lost the textures`
`21:27.00`	`Patlabor221`	`are they under your bed?`
`21:28.00`	`PerfectCell`	`ups, no they are not displayed any more`
`21:28.04`	`Patlabor221`	`I lost some textures in the kitchen once`
`21:28.09`	`Patlabor221`	`they were in the sink`
`21:28.16`	`Patlabor221`	`under all the dishes ( ick ) :)`
`21:28.18`	`doughecka`	`I can texture walls`
`21:28.24`	`doughecka`	`stucco and stuff`
`21:28.25`	`PerfectCell`	`how?`
`21:28.40`	`Patlabor221`	`realy tho you may not have the working dir set right when you run`
`21:28.48`	`Patlabor221`	`and it can't find the "data" dir`
`21:29.36`	`PerfectCell`	`ah, i have also to put the pocketengine.dll to the main poject debug dir by hand`
`21:30.01`	`Jormungandr`	`an hour left at work snore`
`21:30.05`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:30.19`	`PerfectCell`	`Jormungandr: what are you working on?`
`21:30.38`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm working on trying to stay awake.`
`21:30.39`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:30.40`	`doughecka`	`nothing`
`21:30.42`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:30.43`	`Jormungandr`	`no customers calling`
`21:30.46`	`Jormungandr`	`nothing broken.`
`21:30.56`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`21:31.00`	`doughecka`	`you must be happy`
`21:31.02`	`doughecka`	`:P`
`21:31.02`	`PerfectCell`	`what customers? what business?`
`21:31.05`	`Jormungandr`	`sleepy :)`
`21:31.16`	`Jormungandr`	`wholesale ISP/colocation.`
`21:31.35`	`PerfectCell`	`whats that?`
`21:31.50`	`Jormungandr`	`we sell rack space to other internet providers.`
`21:31.55`	`doughecka`	`cool`
`21:31.58`	`Jormungandr`	`and we host business websites.`
`21:32.20`	`PerfectCell`	`ah, and what is your position in that business?`
`21:32.32`	`Jormungandr`	`unix administrator`
`21:32.37`	`PerfectCell`	`ah`
`21:32.59`	`PerfectCell`	`what qualifikation is needed for that?`
`21:32.59`	`Jormungandr`	`I work 4 x 10 hour shifts/week.`
`21:33.04`	`Jormungandr`	`then have 3 days off. :)`
`21:33.13`	`PerfectCell`	`cool`
`21:33.23`	`Jormungandr`	`you need to know unix (linux, bsd, sysv) administration`
`21:33.45`	`Jormungandr`	`this particular job has no "tier 2", so if you can't fix it, odds are you get booted. :)`
`21:34.12`	`PerfectCell`	`and how is the payment?`
`21:34.20`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:34.27`	`Jormungandr`	`this particular company pays poorly.`
`21:34.34`	`PerfectCell`	`that means?`
`21:34.42`	`Jormungandr`	`my last job was about $70,000/year`
`21:34.49`	`PerfectCell`	`wow`
`21:34.51`	`Jormungandr`	`this company is just under 30K`
`21:34.57`	`PerfectCell`	`wow`
`21:35.01`	`Jormungandr`	`but I am still looking while I work here.`
`21:35.14`	`Jormungandr`	`I am a senior admin, experience-wise.`
`21:35.26`	`Jormungandr`	`If I can't fix it, it isn't broken.`
`21:35.28`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:35.32`	`PerfectCell`	`i 30K that is ot of bunch`
`21:35.33`	`doughecka`	`HAH`
`21:35.48`	`Jormungandr`	`30K sucks for a job like this.`
`21:35.55`	`PerfectCell`	`why?`
`21:36.06`	`doughecka`	`yup`
`21:36.07`	`*** join/#bzflag metal_magic (magic@e118.brno.mistral.cz)`
`21:36.10`	`Jormungandr`	`because the industry is paying much higher, at least 10K`
`21:36.13`	`doughecka`	`'lo metal_magic`
`21:36.17`	`metal_magic`	`hi`
`21:36.18`	`Patlabor221`	`30k?`
`21:36.19`	`Jormungandr`	`this company is taking advantage of people out of work.`
`21:36.23`	`PerfectCell`	`with 70K you had to be ultra rich`
`21:36.26`	`Patlabor221`	`damn I make mome then you`
`21:36.36`	`metal_magic`	`chestal, are you here?`
`21:36.37`	`Patlabor221`	`cell 70k is not that much here`
`21:36.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's good but not "rich"`
`21:36.53`	`Jormungandr`	`there are 3 people in my household. last year, before we were all layed off, we made 240K total.`
`21:36.57`	`PerfectCell`	`here i get 30k at most`
`21:36.57`	`Jormungandr`	`this year we just broke 100K`
`21:37.02`	`Patlabor221`	`ouch`
`21:37.02`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: sheesh`
`21:37.14`	`Jormungandr`	`we lived on savings for almost a year.`
`21:37.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I make about 50k`
`21:37.23`	`Jormungandr`	`that's very respectable.`
`21:37.32`	`Jormungandr`	`I'll get back to that, soonish, hopefully.`
`21:37.33`	`Patlabor221`	`I can live off it`
`21:37.37`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:37.53`	`Patlabor221`	`that's all I can realy ask, is to be able to live decently`
`21:37.53`	`PerfectCell`	`50k for game stuff dev pretty nice`
`21:38.01`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah that's very good.`
`21:38.18`	`Patlabor221`	`game stuff usualy is a little higher`
`21:38.20`	`Patlabor221`	`in the 60's`
`21:38.21`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm not starving, just not feeling appreciated.`
`21:38.27`	`Patlabor221`	`cus of crucnch time`
`21:38.37`	`Jormungandr`	`we get no benefits -ZILCH-`
`21:38.39`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: heh`
`21:38.42`	`Jormungandr`	`not even holiday pay.`
`21:38.48`	`Patlabor221`	`ick`
`21:38.55`	`Jormungandr`	`not paid sick days.`
`21:38.57`	`Patlabor221`	`I get bennies on top of the 50`
`21:39.00`	`PerfectCell`	`Patlabor221: what are you supposed to do in your job?`
`21:39.08`	`Patlabor221`	`me, I'm a programer`
`21:39.10`	`Jormungandr`	`I'm on my SO's domestic partner plan for health insurance.`
`21:39.34`	`Jormungandr`	`heaven knows I need health insurance.`
`21:39.37`	`Patlabor221`	`one of 7 ative devs`
`21:39.46`	`PerfectCell`	`ah`
`21:39.52`	`PerfectCell`	`working on what?`
`21:40.07`	`Patlabor221`	`cad/cam software`
`21:40.14`	`PerfectCell`	`really?`
`21:40.17`	`PerfectCell`	`great`
`21:40.21`	`Patlabor221`	`jorm, wana come out here and adminifiy out winders network`
`21:40.33`	`Patlabor221`	`our not out`
`21:40.37`	`Jormungandr`	`If I could get away with moving, I would. :)`
`21:40.46`	`Jormungandr`	`we're kinda stuck here.`
`21:40.56`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`21:41.05`	`PerfectCell`	`Jormungandr: how much money do you spent per month?`
`21:41.28`	`Jormungandr`	`Cell: my personal bills are about $1600/mo.`
`21:41.34`	`Jormungandr`	`I make just over that.`
`21:41.36`	`PerfectCell`	`pretty much`
`21:41.50`	`Jormungandr`	`most of that is rent`
`21:41.59`	`PerfectCell`	`how much?`
`21:42.06`	`Jormungandr`	`90%`
`21:42.11`	`PerfectCell`	`wow`
`21:42.14`	`PerfectCell`	`where?`
`21:42.18`	`Jormungandr`	`we rent a chapel, and a house.`
`21:42.25`	`Jormungandr`	`Phoenix AZ`
`21:42.44`	`Jormungandr`	`we are in middle class neighborhood in prime part of town.`
`21:42.53`	`PerfectCell`	`yes but 90% is divided by 3 or?`
`21:43.22`	`Jormungandr`	`no.. I pay all of the chapel rent (834/mo) and about 700ish of the house rent (1575/mo)`
`21:43.38`	`Jormungandr`	`we do a lot of bill sharing.`
`21:43.45`	`Jormungandr`	`it all evens out.`
`21:44.09`	`PerfectCell`	`ah, and what if one has no job?`
`21:44.27`	`Jormungandr`	`then we job hunt and live off of savings.`
`21:44.37`	`PerfectCell`	`nice`
`21:44.53`	`Jormungandr`	`it's nicer to save, than to live off of savings. ;)`
`21:45.17`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`21:45.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm lucy my rent is only 800`
`21:45.24`	`Jormungandr`	`yeah`
`21:45.35`	`Jormungandr`	`we have a nice house in a very leet neighborhood.`
`21:45.38`	`Patlabor221`	`but then I do live in a DMZ`
`21:45.46`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:45.49`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:46.04`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's got 256k up DSL baby!!!`
`21:46.11`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`21:46.40`	`PerfectCell`	`rents can kill you`
`21:46.48`	`Patlabor221`	`my little town is not very large`
`21:46.53`	`PerfectCell`	`i would liff in a car`
`21:46.55`	`Patlabor221`	`spell it's name backwards and it' funny`
`21:47.03`	`PerfectCell`	`live`
`21:47.03`	`Patlabor221`	`no DSL in cars`
`21:47.17`	`PerfectCell`	`but @ job, hopefully`
`21:47.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and how would you shower?`
`21:47.33`	`Patlabor221`	`and have ladies over?`
`21:47.35`	`doughecka`	`you dont`
`21:47.53`	`PerfectCell`	`ah in a sauna or swimming bath`
`21:47.54`	`Patlabor221`	`"why don't we ajourn to the back seat for a brandy?"`
`21:48.14`	`PerfectCell`	`ladies go into car after disco`
`21:48.43`	`Patlabor221`	`that is rather sad when you have to do it in a car`
`21:48.52`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.ajnpx.com/images/phoenix/Camelback/IMG0031.jpg <-- view from not far from my front door.`
`21:48.57`	`doughecka`	`theres the ground`
`21:48.58`	`Patlabor221`	`and the ladies that are willing to do it in a car - not so good`
`21:49.12`	`PerfectCell`	`oh i dont have a car`
`21:49.22`	`PerfectCell`	`but my friend`
`21:49.32`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh so you will live in your friends car?`
`21:49.41`	`Patlabor221`	`carmate?`
`21:49.45`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`21:50.18`	`PerfectCell`	`carmate?`
`21:50.35`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: we dont have a password anymore... have to wait for stats.bzflag.org comes back up`
`21:50.36`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`21:50.37`	`Patlabor221`	`man I'm gettin too old for this lawn mowin crap`
`21:50.43`	`doughecka`	`PerfectCell: roommate/carmate...`
`21:50.45`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why the gods invented garderners`
`21:50.53`	`PerfectCell`	`yes if i save 800 x 5 years , i buy a liitle appartment`
`21:51.06`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: move to kentucky... only mow during summer`
`21:51.11`	`Patlabor221`	`jorm we have places that look like that in the San Fernando valley`
`21:51.15`	`doughecka`	`Patlabor221: NOT THE WHOLE STINKING YEAR!`
`21:51.24`	`Patlabor221`	`doug, I live in a desert`
`21:51.33`	`doughecka`	`yea..`
`21:51.35`	`doughecka`	`bummer aint it?`
`21:51.38`	`Patlabor221`	`it rains here like one time a year`
`21:51.44`	`Patlabor221`	`naw we steal caps water`
`21:51.44`	`doughecka`	`heh`
`21:51.50`	`doughecka`	`ah`
`21:52.09`	`Patlabor221`	`my adad wants to move to like arkensaw`
`21:52.14`	`Patlabor221`	`I have no clue why`
`21:52.17`	`doughecka`	`woo`
`21:52.20`	`doughecka`	`nice choice`
`21:52.22`	`Jormungandr`	`I like the desert`
`21:52.25`	`doughecka`	`lots of cows`
`21:52.28`	`Jormungandr`	`I didn't used to.`
`21:52.31`	`doughecka`	`and wheat`
`21:52.35`	`Jormungandr`	`it's a powerful place.`
`21:53.16`	`PerfectCell`	`i love desert`
`21:53.22`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm a little less arid then you are jorm`
`21:53.34`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`21:53.58`	`Patlabor221`	`having the oceans and all`
`21:54.11`	`Jormungandr`	`http://www.adeq.state.az.us/environ/air/dust.html <--- desert power.`
`21:54.30`	`PerfectCell`	`i was in spain and there was a cool desert next to the sea, that was fantastic`
`21:54.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yes get that out round palmdale sometimes`
`21:54.35`	`doughecka`	`wow`
`21:54.55`	`Patlabor221`	`wind loves the deserts`
`21:55.01`	`Jormungandr`	`camelback mtn is very near where I live... about a mile.`
`21:55.09`	`PerfectCell`	`and it was full with animals`
`21:55.16`	`Jormungandr`	`so the photographer was taking those pics from there.`
`21:55.22`	`Jormungandr`	`I remember that storm.`
`21:55.26`	`Patlabor221`	`I am about an hour away from just about every type of geographic zone here`
`21:55.29`	`Jormungandr`	`it was amazingly beautiful.`
`21:55.35`	`PerfectCell`	`and the sun was harshly`
`21:56.33`	`PerfectCell`	`and i got sunburn`
`21:56.46`	`Jormungandr`	`I got sunburned ONCE in arizona.`
`21:57.01`	`PerfectCell`	`spain is kewl`
`21:57.03`	`Patlabor221`	`well cell probalby dosn't see the sun much`
`21:57.06`	`PerfectCell`	`better than italy`
`21:57.07`	`Jormungandr`	`was a second degree sunburn on my forehead from walking to work. :(`
`21:57.21`	`Jormungandr`	`I walked 5 miles to work in 112-114 degree heat.`
`21:57.24`	`Jormungandr`	`on a sunday`
`21:57.30`	`Jormungandr`	`cuz busses weren't running.`
`21:57.37`	`Jormungandr`	`I was lucky it didn't scar.`
`21:57.42`	`PerfectCell`	`lol`
`21:57.51`	`Jormungandr`	`it was terrible.`
`21:57.59`	`Jormungandr`	`now I am very careful in the sun.`
`21:58.06`	`Jormungandr`	`that was probably 8 years ago or more.`
`21:58.07`	`PerfectCell`	`im too`
`21:58.15`	`Patlabor221`	`see when it's that hot, you come out here, say screw it and go to the beach`
`21:58.18`	`PerfectCell`	`my nose is still red`
`21:58.52`	`Jormungandr`	`pat :)`
`21:58.54`	`Jormungandr`	`I agree`
`21:59.13`	`Jormungandr`	`there are days here when it doesn't dip below 100 degrees during a 24 hour period.`
`21:59.28`	`Patlabor221`	`it's funny tho, when people learn where I live, they say, ohhh you must go to the beach all the time`
`21:59.39`	`Jormungandr`	`we'll be driving down the road with the windows down at 2 AM and be amazed that it's so cool because it's only 102.`
`21:59.40`	`PerfectCell`	`yeah`
`21:59.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I haven't been in like a year an d ahalf.`
`21:59.59`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:00.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh we lose our heat faster cus of the ocean`
`22:00.06`	`PerfectCell`	`Patlabor221: i would go every day to the beach`
`22:00.08`	`Jormungandr`	`I love the ocean.`
`22:00.11`	`Patlabor221`	`it will still get up to 114 some days`
`22:00.14`	`doughecka`	`I can stand heat.. I cant stand heat and humidity`
`22:00.14`	`Patlabor221`	`but it cools at night`
`22:00.23`	`Patlabor221`	`not very humid here`
`22:00.26`	`doughecka`	`yea`
`22:00.35`	`Jormungandr`	`people keep saying "it's a dry heat", and I say "so's a blow torch"`
`22:00.42`	`doughecka`	`mexico is the same... you could sweat, and it left your body`
`22:00.51`	`Jormungandr`	`we also have monsoons... it gets humid AND 114.`
`22:00.55`	`doughecka`	`not in florida..`
`22:01.00`	`doughecka`	`Jormungandr: heeh`
`22:01.13`	`PerfectCell`	`we have snow now`
`22:01.23`	`PerfectCell`	`thats cool`
`22:01.30`	`Jormungandr`	`I remember the second year we were in AZ, it had a record 124 degrees in june.`
`22:01.45`	`Jormungandr`	`it was insane.`
`22:02.11`	`PerfectCell`	`51 celsius, wow`
`22:02.16`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:02.17`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:03.40`	`Jormungandr`	`less than half an hour left.`
`22:03.52`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:03.58`	`doughecka`	`.46454643 left`
`22:04.04`	`Jormungandr`	`sundays go slow here.`
`22:05.15`	`PerfectCell`	`im away for 1 month 9 days`
`22:05.38`	`doughecka`	`hmm?`
`22:05.52`	`doughecka`	`WOOO`
`22:07.59`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`22:08.28`	`doughecka`	`A maximum of eight processors per computer is supported. 32 gigabytes (GB) of ram maximum`
`22:08.46`	`doughecka`	`where would I find a computer like that?`
`22:08.47`	`doughecka`	`:)`
`22:08.56`	`Jormungandr`	`that would be spiffy cool.`
`22:10.25`	`Jormungandr`	`in 10 years, computers like that will be on ebay for 10 bucks.`
`22:10.30`	`Jormungandr`	`maybe 100 bucks`
`22:10.44`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:10.58`	`Jormungandr`	`"makes a great conversation piece!"`
`22:11.04`	`doughecka`	`and the minimum requirements will have "at least" 20 chips`
`22:11.08`	`Jormungandr`	`"Actually boots!"`
`22:11.11`	`doughecka`	`haha`
`22:11.29`	`doughecka`	`it can caclulate pi to 13234234345435 places in only 3 days!`
`22:11.48`	`Jormungandr`	`"original discs lost in the big flood of 2009"`
`22:11.56`	`doughecka`	`lol`
`22:12.30`	`doughecka`	`has "microsoft windows operating system" on it..`
`22:12.42`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`22:30.27`	`doughecka`	`bah`
`22:30.46`	`doughecka`	`stupid "BIOS Guardian" stuff`
`22:31.01`	`doughecka`	`wont let the thing boot, and it wont let me in the BIOS to change it`
`22:31.27`	`doughecka`	`when was the last time you heard of a virus that infects the BIOS?`
`22:59.34`	`*** join/#bzflag TimRiker (timr@rikers.org)`
`22:59.34`	`*** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ`
`23:08.21`	`*** join/#bzflag [STC]_creeperz (~42e70d9e@203.194.240.139)`
`23:08.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`23:08.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`23:09.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim?`
`23:09.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kill Tim`
`23:09.31`		`ACTION slits Tim's throat`
`23:10.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I hate you ibot!`
`23:10.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Here you go, ibot!`
`23:10.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ibot, heres a botsnack`
`23:10.41`		`[STC]_creeperz: :)`
`23:10.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I love you, ibot!`
`23:11.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, you're my only friend`
`23:11.09`		`[STC]_creeperz: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`23:11.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ohhh`
`23:11.18`	`Patlabor221`	`~botsmack`
`23:11.18`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`23:11.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LOL!!!`
`23:11.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsnack`
`23:11.33`		`aw, gee, [STC]_creeperz`
`23:11.44`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcrack`
`23:11.45`		`one too many hits on the botcrack pipe and look at me now!`
`23:11.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LMAO!!`
`23:12.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botpot`
`23:12.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botweed`
`23:12.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botmarijuana`
`23:12.39`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsmack`
`23:12.40`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`23:12.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcocaine`
`23:12.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcoce`
`23:13.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcoke`
`23:13.01`		`ACTION snorts some botcoke`
`23:13.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:13.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botcoke`
`23:13.15`		`ACTION snorts some botcoke`
`23:13.24`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~bottreat`
`23:13.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botbong`
`23:13.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botfood`
`23:13.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Who taught him about that stuff?`
`23:13.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Pat?`
`23:14.05`	`Patlabor221`	`lot of it's in the default database`
`23:14.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botknife`
`23:14.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:14.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Really? Where is the default database?`
`23:14.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~botsmack`
`23:14.36`		`sure, wanna snort some with me?`
`23:14.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, want some botsmack?`
`23:14.48`		`[STC]_creeperz: are you using Windows?`
`23:14.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Huh?`
`23:15.09`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, want some botsmack?`
`23:15.13`		`[STC]_creeperz: I give up, what is it?`
`23:15.13`	`Patlabor221`	`that's one of it's errors`
`23:15.18`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:15.30`	`Patlabor221`	`blobot has more errors then the infobot did`
`23:15.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, I hate you`
`23:15.34`		`i hate you is probably Well I hate you too!`
`23:15.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh`
`23:15.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, I love you`
`23:15.54`		`i guess i love you is "I love you too"`
`23:16.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kiss`
`23:16.07`		`Go away, I don't like you anymore.`
`23:16.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:16.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, want to make out?`
`23:16.21`		`[STC]_creeperz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`23:16.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`SURE!! Change the subject!`
`23:16.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, wanna make out?`
`23:16.44`		`[STC]_creeperz: no idea`
`23:16.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, wanna make out?`
`23:16.53`		`[STC]_creeperz: are you using Windows?`
`23:16.53`	`Patlabor221`	`you sir are wierd`
`23:16.59`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:17.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`23:17.10`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, want some refer?`
`23:17.10`		`[STC]_creeperz: I don't know, could you explain it?`
`23:17.24`	`Patlabor221`	`perhaps you should /msg the bot`
`23:17.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yea`
`23:17.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`RTMF?`
`23:18.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`RTFM?`
`23:18.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, RTFM?`
`23:18.16`		`rtfm is, like, Read The Fine Product Documentation, or see rtff`
`23:18.18`	`Patlabor221`	`Read the F**KIN manual`
`23:18.32`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What manual?`
`23:18.49`	`Patlabor221`	`sigh it a saying`
`23:18.59`	`Patlabor221`	`so /msg ibot help`
`23:19.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`OH!!!`
`23:19.35`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~news add Hi`
`23:19.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~news`
`23:20.04`	`Patlabor221`	`you won't have access to set that kinda stuff`
`23:20.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Cool`
`23:20.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer`
`23:20.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Whats that?`
`23:20.42`	`TimRiker`	`~factinfo botsmack`
`23:20.42`		`botsmack -- last modified at Tue Nov 5 23:44:42 2002 by Russ\|\|werk!user@ip68-106-42-246.ph.ph.cox.net; it has been requested 18 times, last by [STC]_creeperz, 6m 6s ago.`
`23:20.50`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Tim`
`23:20.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:21.11`	`Patlabor221`	`~nickometer [STC]_creeperz`
`23:21.11`		`'[STC]_creeperz' is 48.000% lame, patlabor221`
`23:21.16`	`Patlabor221`	`that's prety lame`
`23:21.30`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How does it measure my lameness?`
`23:21.38`	`Patlabor221`	`over the interweb`
`23:21.38`	`TimRiker`	`it just knows. ;-)`
`23:22.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ibot is tied into all sorts of transaction tracking stuff, it' know all kinds of stuff`
`23:22.05`		`You are moron #1, Patlabor221`
`23:22.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer PatLabor221`
`23:22.05`		`'PatLabor221' is 34.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:22.21`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer Timriker`
`23:22.21`		`'Timriker' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:22.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Wow`
`23:22.27`	`TimRiker`	`ooh. number one even.`
`23:22.35`	`Patlabor221`	`well I ams pecal`
`23:22.37`	`Patlabor221`	`special`
`23:22.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I know ... :-)`
`23:23.09`	`Patlabor221`	`sounds like an app name or something`
`23:23.11`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Speco`
`23:23.29`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`spessso is how its pronounced`
`23:23.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I made a song for BZFlag!`
`23:24.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I love BZFlag! Spend all my time on the computer, baby!`
`23:24.38`	`Patlabor221`	`lose my house, cus i got no rent, maybe!`
`23:24.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I think I just violated a federal copyright law`
`23:25.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Anyway, what else is on the agenda?`
`23:25.33`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~dict curcumvention`
`23:25.34`	`Patlabor221`	`agenda?`
`23:26.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Self conversation, don't worry about it.`
`23:26.15`	`Patlabor221`	`Main Entry: cir�cum�vent`
`23:26.15`	`Patlabor221`	`Pronunciation: "s&r-k&m-'vent`
`23:26.15`	`Patlabor221`	`Function: transitive verb`
`23:26.15`	`Patlabor221`	`Etymology: Latin circumventus, past participle of circumvenire, from circum- + venire to come -- more at COME`
`23:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`Date: 1539`
`23:26.16`	`Patlabor221`	`1 a : to hem in b : to make a circuit around`
`23:26.18`	`Patlabor221`	`2 : to manage to get around especially by ingenuity or stratagem <the setup circumvented the red tape -- Lynne McTaggart>`
`23:26.21`	`Patlabor221`	`- cir�cum�ven�tion /-'ven(t)-sh&n/ noun`
`23:26.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Main Entry: cir-cum-vent`
`23:27.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yes I spelled it wrong`
`23:27.02`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`How you do that?`
`23:27.08`	`Patlabor221`	`www.m-w.com`
`23:27.42`	`Patlabor221`	`Synonyms FRUSTRATE 1, baffle, balk, beat, bilk, dash, disappoint, foil, ruin, thwart`
`23:27.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Copy & Paste?`
`23:28.07`	`Patlabor221`	`no, snarf and nupple.`
`23:28.12`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.dictionary.co,m`
`23:28.14`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`www.dictionary.com`
`23:28.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`What?`
`23:28.26`	`Patlabor221`	`don't spell it wrong, or you get a porn site.`
`23:28.40`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I would guess so`
`23:29.00`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Let me guess... Removing the "T"?`
`23:29.06`	`Patlabor221`	`just like don't call 1.800.s0s.apple`
`23:29.12`	`TimRiker`	`~dict circumvent`
`23:29.30`	`Patlabor221`	`where does ibot get it's defs?`
`23:29.41`	`TimRiker`	`her knows all. ;-)`
`23:29.50`	`Patlabor221`	`that she does`
`23:29.58`	`TimRiker`	`er he... ;-)`
`23:30.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`her?!! Ibot is a girl?!!`
`23:30.06`	`Patlabor221`	`you sure?`
`23:30.08`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kill yourself`
`23:30.15`		`ACTION slits yourself's throat`
`23:30.15`	`Patlabor221`	`did you check?`
`23:30.18`	`Patlabor221`	`~who is your daddy?`
`23:30.18`		`YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants`
`23:30.25`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:30.31`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Yep, its a guy`
`23:30.44`	`Patlabor221`	`how can you tell?`
`23:30.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Its attracted to you`
`23:31.05`	`Patlabor221`	`ibot loves all`
`23:31.05`		`Patlabor221: I wish you would RTFM.`
`23:31.06`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~who is your daddy?`
`23:31.10`		`YOU are, Mr. Sexy Pants`
`23:31.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:31.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer Patlabor221`
`23:31.23`		`'Patlabor221' is 34.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:31.36`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer [stc]_creeperz`
`23:31.36`		`'[stc]_creeperz' is 24.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:31.42`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`HAHA!!`
`23:31.46`	`Patlabor221`	`awww seems I lost the moron title`
`23:31.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`LAME-O!`
`23:31.56`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:32.00`	`Patlabor221`	`~ literal nickometer`
`23:32.01`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`#1 Moron`
`23:32.12`	`Patlabor221`	`~literal nickometer`
`23:32.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~literal nickometer Patlabor221`
`23:32.42`	`Patlabor221`	`you broke it`
`23:32.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, go to outer darkness!`
`23:32.49`		`[STC]_creeperz: bugger all, i dunno`
`23:33.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, you startin' somethin'?`
`23:33.04`		`[STC]_creeperz: i don't know`
`23:33.09`	`*** join/#bzflag Eismann (~MortimeR@62-36-137-183.dialup.uni2.es)`
`23:33.17`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`ibot, don't mouth off to me!`
`23:33.17`		`[STC]_creeperz: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ?`
`23:33.28`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`23:33.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I would not piss her off, she's an op`
`23:33.51`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh yea`
`23:34.14`	`Chestal`	`~ict reificate`
`23:34.17`	`TimRiker`	`nickometer is a function. there is no factoid literal for it.`
`23:34.22`	`TimRiker`	`~literal timriker`
`23:34.23`		`timriker is <reply> see bzflag`
`23:34.24`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhh`
`23:34.26`	`Chestal`	`~dict reify`
`23:34.37`	`Patlabor221`	`does it do an algorithm or a rand thing?`
`23:35.30`	`Patlabor221`	`~TimRiker++`
`23:35.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer patlabor221`
`23:35.38`		`'patlabor221' is 34.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:35.53`	`Patlabor221`	`~karma for TimRiker`
`23:35.53`		`for timriker has neutral karma`
`23:36.01`	`Patlabor221`	`just nutral?`
`23:36.04`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`karma?`
`23:36.06`	`TimRiker`	`ibot: I wish I understood what it takes to be on your beloved moron list. Perhaps you could invite me? I feel so left out now that Patlabor221 is on the list but I'm not. Please please?`
`23:36.06`		`TimRiker: I think you lost me on that one`
`23:36.12`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`23:36.23`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Haha`
`23:36.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I'm not on the list anymore it seems`
`23:36.30`	`Patlabor221`	`the torch has been passed`
`23:36.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer [stc]_creeperz`
`23:36.41`		`'[stc]_creeperz' is 24.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:36.52`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer ibot`
`23:36.52`		`'ibot' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:37.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Just cuz you guys are ops! lol`
`23:37.12`	`Patlabor221`	`~nickometer w333333333333masta`
`23:37.12`		`'w333333333333masta' is 99.680% lame, patlabor221`
`23:37.19`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that is rather lame`
`23:37.27`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer snyke`
`23:37.27`		`'snyke' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:37.29`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer Eismann`
`23:37.29`		`'Eismann' is 0.000% lame, eismann`
`23:37.37`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer MortimeR`
`23:37.37`		`'MortimeR' is 0.000% lame, eismann`
`23:37.45`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer you`
`23:37.45`		`'you' is 0.000% lame, eismann`
`23:37.46`	`Chestal`	`~nickometer l33t`
`23:37.46`		`'l33t' is 49.000% lame, chestal`
`23:37.49`	`TimRiker`	`ibot is confused, I think he calls people morons when they use long lines that it think are not real factoids. I thought the last one would work, but I was mistaken.`
`23:37.50`		`TimRiker: You are moron #2`
`23:38.09`	`Chestal`	`Tim: did you see MAC?`
`23:38.15`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer sdghrewyt`
`23:38.15`		`'sdghrewyt' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:38.16`	`DarkPatlabor`	`~nickometer DarkPatlabor`
`23:38.16`		`'DarkPatlabor' is 49.000% lame, darkpatlabor`
`23:38.19`	`DarkPatlabor`	`damn`
`23:38.19`	`TimRiker`	`"see"? no.`
`23:38.30`	`Chestal`	`Tim: or hear? or read? or smell?`
`23:38.41`	`DarkPatlabor`	`just so long as it's not touch`
`23:38.49`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`UUGH!! I have a song stuck in my head from church!`
`23:38.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:38.55`	`TimRiker`	`heh. hear, nope. read, not lately. smell, never.`
`23:38.58`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer l33t_m4sta`
`23:38.58`		`'l33t_m4sta' is 99.550% lame, eismann`
`23:39.13`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer Eismann`
`23:39.13`		`'Eismann' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:39.47`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer Terry Caulfield`
`23:39.47`		`'Terry' is 0.000% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:40.09`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer FantaZee`
`23:40.09`		`'FantaZee' is 0.000% lame, eismann`
`23:40.16`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~kill tim`
`23:40.17`		`ACTION slits tim's throat`
`23:40.32`	`Chestal`	`~nickometer ________________________________________________`
`23:40.32`		`'________________________________________________' is 99.9964% lame, chestal`
`23:40.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~nickometer 3624609246829487297-136-36----------------____________`
`23:40.54`		`'3624609246829487297-136-36----------------____________' is 99.9961% lame, [stc]_creeperz`
`23:41.10`	`DarkPatlabor`	`where name aproaches the limit of lame`
`23:41.11`	`Chestal`	`well, I'm off to bed, maybe we can release tomorrow? I have to actually test my latest checkins :-)`
`23:41.18`	`Eismann`	`~nickometer &@#�###@~��~~@#####~�~��~~#@@@@@@@#@� ��~~�@#��@#~�#�߶�~�]@��}#�@#~\�\|~�@~��\\|\�#]��}]�}j�`
`23:41.24`	`DarkPatlabor`	`you get the speed kick thing worked out?`
`23:41.26`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Ok, bye`
`23:41.37`	`Chestal`	`didnt do anything about it`
`23:41.45`	`DarkPatlabor`	`then that should be fun`
`23:41.48`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I hate that thing... I got kicked "For Moving to fast"`
`23:41.56`	`Chestal`	`haven't seen a problem on my servers lately`
`23:42.07`	`DarkPatlabor`	`seen it reported on x-mission`
`23:42.10`	`TimRiker`	`[STC]_creeperz: happens to you with standard clients? how often?`
`23:42.37`	`DarkPatlabor`	`suposeldy it's when you have V and drop the flag in the air`
`23:42.37`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`TimRiker: Once, jumping and while moving`
`23:42.43`	`TimRiker`	`DarkPatlabor: heard? how often? from who? etc.`
`23:42.45`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Two different times`
`23:42.54`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`No`
`23:42.57`	`Chestal`	`Patlabor: that was an issue with an earlier version, should've been fixed in theory`
`23:42.57`	`DarkPatlabor`	`I've heard it from him and spiff`
`23:43.05`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`When you get killed when lagging with V`
`23:43.12`	`DarkPatlabor`	`is xmission on current cvs?`
`23:43.25`	`Chestal`	`at least when the fix made it in, I couldn't reproduc it anymore on ducati`
`23:43.32`	`TimRiker`	`almost. I should update with Chestal's patches... /me goes to update...`
`23:43.45`	`Chestal`	`the fix s about a month old, though`
`23:43.49`	`DarkPatlabor`	`then I will look for more info on the boards if I see it any more.`
`23:43.54`	`DarkPatlabor`	`hmm`
`23:44.04`	`Chestal`	`greppign for 'too fast' is a good idea`
`23:44.10`	`Chestal`	`(when you have server logs)`
`23:44.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`Oh, if you jump and the apex of your jump get killed, it boots you also`
`23:44.29`	`DarkPatlabor`	`shoudl ask Jorm if he has seen that problem`
`23:44.41`	`DarkPatlabor`	`he keeps good logs`
`23:44.47`	`Chestal`	`the serevr-side cheat checks right are are a bit flaky`
`23:44.54`	`Chestal`	`they seem to work ok though, in practice`
`23:45.07`	`Chestal`	`maybe some of them won't be so good for very laggy connectins`
`23:45.30`	`Chestal`	`haven't run ducati with V flags for some weeks`
`23:45.43`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`I'm off the BZ`
`23:45.43`	`TimRiker`	`35 too fast kicks on xmission since 20030217`
`23:46.20`	`Chestal`	`for some it's easy to see if it was cheating`
`23:46.23`	`Chestal`	`for others, it isn't`
`23:47.29`	`TimRiker`	`highest speed: bzfs5155.20030221-02:43:50:kicking Player JB on the rocks [9]: tank too fast (tank: 38.887813, allowed: 37.500000)`
`23:47.55`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`lol`
`23:47.58`	`DarkPatlabor`	`kinda close`
`23:48.19`	`DarkPatlabor`	`be ineteresting to know there ping at the time of kick`
`23:48.20`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`23:48.38`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`~suicide`
`23:48.41`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`??`
`23:48.45`	`Chestal`	`well, in theory, nothing faster than 37.5 should e possible`
`23:48.49`	`TimRiker`	`highest diff: bzfs5155.20030221-02:43:50:kicking Player ROGER [11]: tank too fast (tank: 35.750050, allowed: 25.000000)`
`23:48.53`	`[STC]_creeperz`	`brb`
`23:48.53`	`DarkPatlabor`	`one would think`
`23:48.59`	`Chestal`	`but sadly, due to some difficult to understand issues, a tank can go faster`
`23:49.19`	`DarkPatlabor`	`do we send a speed, or just a vector?`
`23:49.19`	`Chestal`	`this is why we increased the tolerance several times`
`23:49.31`	`Chestal`	`I think it's a velocity vector`
`23:49.37`	`Chestal`	`the problem is that it's caluclated indirectly`
`23:49.44`	`DarkPatlabor`	`hmm there could be errors in the mag then`
`23:49.52`	`DarkPatlabor`	`ahh`
`23:49.53`	`DarkPatlabor`	`icky`
`23:49.59`	`Chestal`	`client has speed wanted by player, then it udnergos a collisin check routine`
`23:50.13`	`Chestal`	`where it calcuclates new tank pos, speed is than backward caluclated by distance and dt`
`23:50.38`	`DarkPatlabor`	`so there could be a "nudge" in the pos to get a valid pos`
`23:50.43`	`DarkPatlabor`	`and that could screw speed`
`23:50.44`	`Chestal`	`durign tests, I had some peopel liek sussudio who repeatedly reached somerhign liek 25.1`
`23:50.52`	`Chestal`	`where I could only get to 25.002 or so`
`23:51.11`	`DarkPatlabor`	`and that should not be based on connection`
`23:51.18`	`Chestal`	`coudl be affected by floatign poin tinaccuricies, maybe the problem is bigger with high frame rates`
`23:51.33`	`DarkPatlabor`	`perhaps, smaller slices`
`23:51.35`	`Chestal`	`couldn#t quite make any sense of it`
`23:51.49`	`Chestal`	`but 3.88 - 37.5 is a huge differnce`
`23:51.51`	`TimRiker`	`perhaps high frame rates with high lag too.`
`23:51.52`	`DarkPatlabor`	`I can config the work system for 200+ fps and we can try it`
`23:52.00`	`Chestal`	`eh, 38.8 - 37.5`
`23:52.10`	`DarkPatlabor`	`but not till tomrow`
`23:52.22`	`Chestal`	`35.75 to 25 looks liek an issue with velocity flag or not - or cheating`
`23:53.01`	`Chestal`	`I don't remember all the changes done`
`23:53.16`	`DarkPatlabor`	`I could also config for low framerates`
`23:53.20`	`Chestal`	`I think for some check a memory was added`
`23:53.28`	`Chestal`	`don't knwo if it was for the speed check`
`23:53.37`	`Chestal`	`because TCP and UDP packets coudl overtake each other`
`23:53.48`	`TimRiker`	`Chestal: update xmission and restarted.`
`23:53.50`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`23:54.11`	`Chestal`	`I'm sure that the checks are not 100% fool proof right now`
`23:54.35`	`TimRiker`	`dinner...`
`23:54.38`	`Chestal`	`bed`
`23:54.47`	`DarkPatlabor`	`store`
`23:54.52`	`TimRiker`	`heh`
`23:55.09`	`DarkPatlabor`	`well there is no food in the house`
`23:55.13`	`DarkPatlabor`	`and some CDs came in`

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