| 00:00.47 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:00.53 | doughecka | cool |
| 00:01.10 | doughecka | ~undelete bzdoug |
| 00:01.10 | | doughecka: cannot undeleted 'bzdoug' because it already exists! |
| 00:01.21 | doughecka | ~forget bzdoug |
| 00:01.57 | DarkPatlabor | billy what is your question? |
| 00:02.11 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: her? |
| 00:02.18 | DarkPatlabor | ~sud |
| 00:02.18 | | shut up doug |
| 00:02.34 | DarkPatlabor | you would, pig |
| 00:02.42 | bzdoug | ham |
| 00:05.05 | DarkPatlabor | I guess ether billy's question is REALY long, or he's shy. |
| 00:05.15 | DarkPatlabor | or he had to pee |
| 00:05.26 | bzdoug | not with a name like that |
| 00:05.31 | bzdoug | maybe its lag |
| 00:05.37 | bzdoug | hes on the moon |
| 00:05.50 | DarkPatlabor | why do you judge people on there names, that is so shallow |
| 00:06.04 | bzdoug | huh |
| 00:08.24 | billybadass | hello |
| 00:08.38 | bzdoug | must be lag |
| 00:08.50 | billybadass | sorry about that... really long question didnt appear after all lol |
| 00:08.56 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:09.04 | billybadass | ok now im back and ill try again |
| 00:09.23 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: a TNT2 video card... what are those? |
| 00:09.42 | DarkPatlabor | doug: what nvidia made before the GeFeorce1 |
| 00:09.46 | billybadass | i have problems with 'unexpected disconnection from bz server' but i can play on other servers ok. the problem isn't with UDP but it might be multicast? |
| 00:09.49 | DarkPatlabor | that was the last of the TNT line |
| 00:09.51 | bzdoug | for 35 bucks? |
| 00:10.00 | DarkPatlabor | doug sure |
| 00:10.11 | bzdoug | billybadass: multicast doesnt exist anylonger |
| 00:10.14 | bzdoug | I believe |
| 00:10.22 | bzdoug | (dont quote me on that) |
| 00:10.28 | DarkPatlabor | what server gives you the problem? |
| 00:10.35 | billybadass | the server is 1.7e6 |
| 00:10.44 | DarkPatlabor | where is the server located |
| 00:10.59 | TimRiker | well, there is still some multicast code, but it's not active and will be nuked soon. |
| 00:11.02 | billybadass | its in the UK and it's listed on the server list |
| 00:11.08 | DarkPatlabor | and where are you? |
| 00:11.17 | DarkPatlabor | and do you know your packetloss to that server? |
| 00:11.18 | bzdoug | TimRiker: is that good or bad? |
| 00:11.21 | billybadass | Canada |
| 00:11.37 | bzdoug | eh? |
| 00:11.52 | billybadass | no idea |
| 00:11.53 | DarkPatlabor | it could be your just geting too much packet loss and geting droped |
| 00:11.56 | TimRiker | bzdoug: well it sucks that the internet does not support multicast, but it's good to remove the code since it does not help in the real world anyway. |
| 00:12.07 | bzdoug | TimRiker: ah, would it help on a lan? |
| 00:12.37 | TimRiker | bzdoug: yeah, but the lan is a much larger pipe than bz would use anyway, |
| 00:12.47 | DarkPatlabor | so it would be again of not much use |
| 00:12.48 | bzdoug | TimRiker: ahh, I see |
| 00:12.52 | billybadass | I try to run -ttl0 but it won't handle it with a shortcut icon under properties or from a command prpompt under windows 2000 |
| 00:13.12 | DarkPatlabor | the ttl is for servers |
| 00:13.15 | DarkPatlabor | not for clients |
| 00:13.17 | DarkPatlabor | I think |
| 00:13.22 | bzdoug | hm |
| 00:13.27 | DarkPatlabor | and you can put in command line params in a shortcut |
| 00:13.33 | DarkPatlabor | put them after the last " |
| 00:13.49 | DarkPatlabor | like where the target is "c:\bzflag\bzflag.exe |
| 00:13.50 | billybadass | i've had to run it like that in the old days [last year was the last time i played] |
| 00:13.58 | DarkPatlabor | like where the target is "c:\bzflag\bzflag.exe" -d |
| 00:13.59 | DarkPatlabor | or what ever |
| 00:14.01 | billybadass | correct Dark |
| 00:14.10 | DarkPatlabor | dono |
| 00:14.19 | DarkPatlabor | what version are you running? |
| 00:14.42 | billybadass | I use "bzflag location" "-ttl0" but it just uses it as a location... so im doing something wrong |
| 00:14.57 | billybadass | i have both 1.7e6 and 1.7g0 |
| 00:14.57 | DarkPatlabor | ohh dont' do that |
| 00:15.04 | bzdoug | heh |
| 00:15.12 | DarkPatlabor | put all the params after the ""s |
| 00:15.18 | billybadass | so can someone correct me please |
| 00:15.28 | DarkPatlabor | like where the target is "c:\bzflag\bzflag.exe" -ttl0 location |
| 00:15.46 | billybadass | ahhh location to follow the ttl statement |
| 00:15.52 | DarkPatlabor | sure |
| 00:15.59 | DarkPatlabor | they don't have to be in any order |
| 00:16.05 | billybadass | ok... now the second question i have |
| 00:16.09 | DarkPatlabor | and the stuff in the first quotes has to resolve to a file |
| 00:16.15 | TimRiker | where location == servername? |
| 00:16.22 | DarkPatlabor | yes |
| 00:16.42 | DarkPatlabor | I've done the servername in a shortcut before, with -calsign |
| 00:16.51 | billybadass | is there a bug that can be expoited to freeze a client out there? cause that happened to me and it was a case of having to bring down my windows 2000 box and it won't come back up |
| 00:16.52 | DarkPatlabor | to help server debugin |
| 00:16.57 | TimRiker | and perhaps -port ;-) |
| 00:17.11 | DarkPatlabor | yes, there is a bug that does that, it should be fixed in the CVS version |
| 00:17.19 | DarkPatlabor | yes tim, and perhaps some port |
| 00:17.43 | billybadass | can the bug be used maliciously to damage an OS say? |
| 00:18.34 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:18.36 | billybadass | I truly appreciate your insights folks... I will now attempt to bring back up my system under win2k and try those comments you gave me |
| 00:18.54 | DarkPatlabor | it should not hurt the computer |
| 00:18.57 | DarkPatlabor | just kill bz |
| 00:19.04 | billybadass | ok |
| 00:19.08 | billybadass | thanks |
| 00:19.10 | DarkPatlabor | sure |
| 00:19.17 | billybadass | ciao tutti |
| 00:19.57 | DarkPatlabor | huzah, asgard finaly finished installing, now to see if I have php and all that fun stuff. |
| 00:24.09 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:24.11 | bzdoug | fun? |
| 00:29.58 | DarkPatlabor | actualy it's going well |
| 00:30.13 | DarkPatlabor | only real problem was the mouse type was detected wrong |
| 00:36.34 | bzdoug | LOL |
| 00:37.26 | DarkPatlabor | that and it seems that redhat8's installer does not set all the network settings |
| 00:48.21 | bzdoug | hmm? |
| 00:48.25 | bzdoug | it did for me |
| 00:48.32 | bzdoug | I had a problem once, but a reboot fixed it |
| 00:49.06 | DarkPatlabor | were you seting up something other then dhcp? |
| 01:01.06 | *** part/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 01:03.18 | bzdoug | yea |
| 01:03.24 | bzdoug | I never use DHCP |
| 01:03.33 | bzdoug | hard to find out IPs that way |
| 01:09.43 | DarkPatlabor | ipconfig |
| 01:09.50 | DarkPatlabor | it'll tell you every time |
| 01:10.14 | bzdoug | not if I am on windows |
| 01:10.16 | bzdoug | or something |
| 01:10.20 | bzdoug | and I want to connect to it |
| 01:10.34 | bzdoug | kinda hard to remember a laptops ip address or something |
| 01:11.20 | DarkPatlabor | 1) you rarely use linux, 2) what do you do that needs raw Ips? |
| 01:11.37 | bzdoug | terminal services, file shareing |
| 01:11.40 | bzdoug | stuff like that |
| 01:11.48 | DarkPatlabor | those can use the share name |
| 01:11.49 | bzdoug | I do lots of things that need ips |
| 01:11.54 | bzdoug | not FTP |
| 01:11.59 | DarkPatlabor | turn on netbios |
| 01:12.02 | bzdoug | http etc |
| 01:12.11 | DarkPatlabor | still it can use teh share name |
| 01:12.21 | *** join/#bzflag BillyBadAss (~1845ffcd@203.194.240.139) |
| 01:12.22 | bzdoug | huh |
| 01:12.24 | bzdoug | never works for me |
| 01:12.29 | DarkPatlabor | you need to learn more about dns |
| 01:12.30 | BillyBadAss | back |
| 01:12.34 | DarkPatlabor | I see that |
| 01:12.36 | bzdoug | BillyBadAss!!! short time no see! |
| 01:12.43 | BillyBadAss | yeah, thanks lol |
| 01:12.43 | DarkPatlabor | ~sud |
| 01:12.48 | | shut up doug |
| 01:12.52 | BillyBadAss | well, I found out one thing |
| 01:12.55 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: dns !=easy to learn stuff |
| 01:13.01 | bzdoug | BillyBadAss: speak! ;) |
| 01:13.06 | BillyBadAss | that bug whatever it might be did it to me twice now |
| 01:13.14 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:13.28 | DarkPatlabor | billy well you can update to a CVS client |
| 01:13.32 | DarkPatlabor | that would help |
| 01:13.35 | BillyBadAss | wonder if it's related to windows 2000? |
| 01:13.38 | DarkPatlabor | no |
| 01:13.42 | DarkPatlabor | it's a bug in BZ |
| 01:13.46 | DarkPatlabor | we duped it |
| 01:13.56 | BillyBadAss | *waits to see if his text comes up*# |
| 01:13.59 | DarkPatlabor | there are cheat clients out there that kick all who don't have the fix |
| 01:14.24 | *** join/#bzflag BillyBadAss2 (~1845ffcd@203.194.240.139) |
| 01:14.25 | DarkPatlabor | go to mr.apathy's page and get a cvs version of bz |
| 01:14.40 | BillyBadAss2 | someone can kick BillyBadAss |
| 01:14.49 | DarkPatlabor | no, it'll just time out |
| 01:15.00 | DarkPatlabor | you need a newer version of bzflag |
| 01:15.10 | BillyBadAss2 | Im using 1.7g0 |
| 01:15.12 | DarkPatlabor | and the server operatior shoud update his server |
| 01:15.16 | DarkPatlabor | you need G1 |
| 01:15.21 | DarkPatlabor | g0 has the bug |
| 01:15.23 | BillyBadAss2 | ahhhhhhhh |
| 01:15.38 | DarkPatlabor | the current developement version is called G1, it will be G2 |
| 01:15.39 | BillyBadAss2 | ok.. CVS repository cna be accessed via HTTP? |
| 01:15.52 | DarkPatlabor | yes but it dosnt' have built versions |
| 01:16.03 | DarkPatlabor | Mr.ApathyCream has CVS versions on his page. |
| 01:16.11 | BillyBadAss2 | need to compile win32 vers. under linux? |
| 01:16.35 | DarkPatlabor | no just get a prebuilt windows one from Mr.ApathyCreams site |
| 01:16.41 | BillyBadAss2 | ok |
| 01:16.43 | DarkPatlabor | and you can't build windows on linux |
| 01:16.48 | BillyBadAss2 | and the url is here somewhere |
| 01:16.56 | DarkPatlabor | not here, on www.bzflag.org |
| 01:17.02 | DarkPatlabor | in the links section |
| 01:17.18 | BillyBadAss2 | you can prebuild win32 compiles - i've done it with other software thats multiplatform |
| 01:17.25 | DarkPatlabor | you should tell the server operatior to update too |
| 01:17.33 | BillyBadAss2 | thanks |
| 01:17.36 | BillyBadAss2 | I will |
| 01:17.49 | DarkPatlabor | the windows build needs visual C++ right now, so I doubt it |
| 01:18.07 | DarkPatlabor | soon that server will be 2 release behind |
| 01:18.12 | BillyBadAss2 | C++ Compiler is available at Fresmeat.net |
| 01:18.21 | bzdoug | BillyBadAss2: not for windows |
| 01:18.23 | DarkPatlabor | it's not the compiler, it's the make stuff |
| 01:18.27 | DarkPatlabor | ~sud |
| 01:18.27 | | shut up doug |
| 01:18.34 | DarkPatlabor | we've tried it, bz is "odd" |
| 01:18.41 | BillyBadAss2 | k |
| 01:18.48 | DarkPatlabor | don't make me ban your ass doug. |
| 01:18.55 | BillyBadAss2 | well let me get passed first base here before I start harping on about compiling lol |
| 01:18.58 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:19.08 | DarkPatlabor | there will be a G2 release soon |
| 01:19.22 | DarkPatlabor | that will have the fix in it and it will be avalabe from the normal channels |
| 01:19.24 | bzdoug | with even MORE bugs! |
| 01:19.30 | BillyBadAss2 | k back soon.. got you guys bookmarked for fuirther study lol |
| 01:19.35 | DarkPatlabor | not if you don't go test it doug. |
| 01:19.42 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 01:20.07 | DarkPatlabor | eww web baseed IRC client |
| 01:20.13 | bzdoug | lol |
| 01:20.14 | DarkPatlabor | get a real IRC client |
| 01:20.31 | Billy-Away | I have real clients - didn't knbow you guys existed till i found it in a link |
| 01:20.57 | DarkPatlabor | there is a forum too |
| 01:22.09 | Billy-Away | yep.. just booting up the client.. brb |
| 01:22.21 | *** join/#bzflag G`othicBZFan (Jerry@h24-83-80-149.va.shawcable.net) |
| 01:22.32 | G`othicBZFan | thats better lol |
| 01:23.33 | G`othicBZFan | <--- Billy |
| 01:23.42 | DarkPatlabor | gathered that |
| 01:23.50 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 01:23.52 | Jormungandr | hi |
| 01:23.55 | G`othicBZFan | the silence was killing me lol |
| 01:23.56 | DarkPatlabor | there is the man |
| 01:24.03 | DarkPatlabor | the man who can make all my dreams come true |
| 01:24.18 | Jormungandr | relaxing for a few minutes because I have to start the risotto soonish :) |
| 01:24.22 | Jormungandr | what's up? |
| 01:24.27 | G`othicBZFan | so whats the average age here? should I dare ask? |
| 01:24.40 | Chestal | ~age |
| 01:24.41 | DarkPatlabor | ohh I just know I'm gonna have questions seting up a webserv again. |
| 01:24.49 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 01:24.54 | DarkPatlabor | I redid asgard |
| 01:24.55 | Jormungandr | I can help |
| 01:25.01 | DarkPatlabor | it was missing a lot of stuff |
| 01:25.05 | Jormungandr | oh. |
| 01:25.09 | DarkPatlabor | I'm preping it for bzbb |
| 01:25.13 | Jormungandr | sounds like crazy fun. |
| 01:25.20 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: dont dare ask |
| 01:25.34 | DarkPatlabor | so it's all cleaned off now and updating all it's rpms |
| 01:25.37 | Jormungandr | I finally got into my switch today, and gave it an IP, and set it up for out of band management. |
| 01:26.08 | Jormungandr | I had to debone rockfish. |
| 01:26.08 | G`othicBZFan | ok Im not used to CVS Repositories... Am I wasting my time looking for a win32 build of 1.7g1? |
| 01:26.11 | Jormungandr | never fun. |
| 01:26.11 | bzdoug | apt-get phpbb |
| 01:26.23 | DarkPatlabor | dood, goth, did yo listen to what I said |
| 01:26.31 | DarkPatlabor | CVS won't have prebuilt windows versions |
| 01:26.35 | DarkPatlabor | it has no bins at all |
| 01:26.38 | DarkPatlabor | goto MACs page |
| 01:26.44 | G`othicBZFan | Im reading what you are saying - Im at the repository and i dont see anythng with apathy's name on it |
| 01:26.47 | DarkPatlabor | doug not debian |
| 01:26.51 | G`othicBZFan | a URL perhaps? |
| 01:26.53 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: shame |
| 01:27.01 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: I got a link |
| 01:27.03 | DarkPatlabor | goth cus it's not in CVS |
| 01:27.05 | G`othicBZFan | thank you |
| 01:27.06 | bzdoug | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 01:27.08 | DarkPatlabor | it's a web page |
| 01:27.11 | DarkPatlabor | yeah that |
| 01:27.14 | bzdoug | ~MAC? |
| 01:27.15 | | methinks mac is the worlds best linux computer or the worlds fastest one too ;) or can run BZFLAGX very quickly |
| 01:27.15 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:27.23 | G`othicBZFan | ok now im on the same page - so to speak - as you |
| 01:27.25 | DarkPatlabor | I said there was a link to his page on www.bzflag.org |
| 01:27.31 | bzdoug | ~CVSBIN is <reply> http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 01:27.32 | | bzdoug: okay |
| 01:27.48 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: I had to look for the link in the wiki |
| 01:27.50 | DarkPatlabor | ~forget CVSBIM |
| 01:27.50 | | i didn't have anything called 'cvsbim', DarkPatlabor |
| 01:28.03 | DarkPatlabor | doug he dosn't do them often, and it's not linux |
| 01:28.05 | DarkPatlabor | ~forget CVSBIN |
| 01:28.09 | | i forgot cvsbin, DarkPatlabor |
| 01:28.34 | bzdoug | ~win32bin is <reply>http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 01:28.35 | | okay, bzdoug |
| 01:28.40 | bzdoug | betta? |
| 01:28.46 | DarkPatlabor | ~ MAC is also Mr.ApathyCream at http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html |
| 01:28.47 | | okay, DarkPatlabor |
| 01:28.47 | G`othicBZFan | ok so the 'latest binary build' link is the g1 build for win32 there? |
| 01:28.50 | DarkPatlabor | no noone will remember that |
| 01:29.00 | DarkPatlabor | goth it's close engoh |
| 01:29.10 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: click on downloads, and clikc CVS |
| 01:29.22 | G`othicBZFan | i have 1.7g0 already.. i just dont wanna be installing the same thing twice |
| 01:29.29 | G`othicBZFan | i have already downloaded it thanks |
| 01:29.32 | DarkPatlabor | latest bin build is G1 |
| 01:29.48 | G`othicBZFan | excellent |
| 01:30.10 | G`othicBZFan | and this will solve my freexing issues under win2k? |
| 01:30.12 | bzdoug | 01/25 - Fixed pyramid hit detection: anyway to disable that? I was playing a map and I knew there was something wrong |
| 01:30.15 | G`othicBZFan | freezing * |
| 01:30.23 | DarkPatlabor | it should fix the exploit |
| 01:30.27 | G`othicBZFan | ok |
| 01:30.32 | G`othicBZFan | thant's very helpful |
| 01:30.40 | DarkPatlabor | if it still geeks then you may have other issues |
| 01:30.49 | DarkPatlabor | like crap vide drivers or someting |
| 01:30.51 | bzdoug | "geeks" |
| 01:30.57 | DarkPatlabor | geek, it's a word |
| 01:31.01 | G`othicBZFan | yeah, I'm wayyy ahead of you there lol - trying to eliminate all the possibilities |
| 01:31.33 | DarkPatlabor | at least your not using something as lame as windows ME or anything |
| 01:31.41 | bzdoug | haha |
| 01:31.44 | G`othicBZFan | Im also having MESA issues with the graphics accleerator not being recognised under Linux |
| 01:31.54 | DarkPatlabor | what card do you have? |
| 01:31.55 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: what video card? |
| 01:32.04 | G`othicBZFan | Rage 128 :-( |
| 01:32.08 | DarkPatlabor | good luck |
| 01:32.20 | DarkPatlabor | that's gonna use DRI |
| 01:32.20 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: I got my rage 128 to play bzflag fine |
| 01:32.27 | DarkPatlabor | and you are not gonna use hardware |
| 01:32.34 | DarkPatlabor | doug, you are in software |
| 01:32.43 | bzdoug | hmm? it sure seemed fast |
| 01:32.49 | DarkPatlabor | win or lin doug? |
| 01:32.58 | G`othicBZFan | DRI - I was at the website.. it claims to be a part of the XFree86 4.X ehich I have compiled at installation tike of SuSE 8.1 |
| 01:33.00 | bzdoug | both |
| 01:33.11 | DarkPatlabor | DRI is the ATI driver set |
| 01:33.15 | DarkPatlabor | they have lots of GL issues |
| 01:33.26 | bzdoug | linux is what I used lately, but bzflag ran under windows too |
| 01:33.30 | G`othicBZFan | works fine under win2k |
| 01:33.30 | G`othicBZFan | tike = time |
| 01:33.37 | DarkPatlabor | the verison that comes with X has minimal hardware support |
| 01:33.48 | G`othicBZFan | so I need to compile the ATI DRI Driver set ? |
| 01:33.56 | DarkPatlabor | the windows drivers support at least a complete GL implementation |
| 01:34.04 | DarkPatlabor | well there's the trick |
| 01:34.10 | DarkPatlabor | they don't have any for older cards |
| 01:34.10 | G`othicBZFan | I had fgl enabled |
| 01:34.11 | bzdoug | apt-get dri |
| 01:34.14 | DarkPatlabor | just the brand new ones |
| 01:34.34 | DarkPatlabor | ATI allways has the crapyest drivers |
| 01:34.57 | DarkPatlabor | you have to pay for the good third party ones that support hardware. |
| 01:35.11 | bzdoug | PAY?!? |
| 01:35.14 | DarkPatlabor | pay |
| 01:35.16 | bzdoug | for drivers!! |
| 01:35.18 | bzdoug | bah |
| 01:35.18 | DarkPatlabor | yes |
| 01:35.27 | G`othicBZFan | I can get a gforce4 mx 440 + 128MB DDR near half retail pirce but i dont want to busget for a bg expence.. got family and all |
| 01:35.34 | DarkPatlabor | hence my reluctance to recomend ATI cards |
| 01:35.41 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: get a geforce 2 mx |
| 01:35.51 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: perfect for bzflag, and only 29 bucks |
| 01:35.53 | bzdoug | :) |
| 01:35.58 | DarkPatlabor | GF4 MXs go for like $60 |
| 01:36.00 | G`othicBZFan | 29 US or CDN? |
| 01:36.01 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.116) |
| 01:36.04 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: US |
| 01:36.05 | DarkPatlabor | US |
| 01:36.09 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream!! lo lo lo |
| 01:36.14 | DarkPatlabor | 4MXs are faster then 2MSs tho |
| 01:36.15 | G`othicBZFan | hi MrApathyCream |
| 01:36.35 | bzdoug | yea, but it doesnt help if all he plays is bzflag.. :) |
| 01:36.46 | DarkPatlabor | Mac have you made a bin version with the missile patch |
| 01:36.48 | bzdoug | over kill, dont need 200 FPS |
| 01:36.54 | G`othicBZFan | I play with buddies in the UK once in the blue moon lol |
| 01:37.00 | DarkPatlabor | doug, I am going to make is so you want as fast a CPU as posible on your card :) |
| 01:37.10 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: hmm, I see |
| 01:37.13 | DarkPatlabor | and if you play ANY of dougs maps, you need more power |
| 01:37.25 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: that aint true |
| 01:37.31 | G`othicBZFan | lol |
| 01:37.42 | DarkPatlabor | yes it is, his maps have abour 50% extra boxes in them |
| 01:37.50 | DarkPatlabor | and he spells out stuff in boxes |
| 01:37.52 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: hes slightly tipsy |
| 01:37.53 | G`othicBZFan | so anyone have rpoblems running sygate firewall with the bz client? |
| 01:38.04 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: I made ONE map with a word in it |
| 01:38.18 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: never heard of a sygate firewall |
| 01:38.22 | DarkPatlabor | doug, you made a map with a picture of TIMS HEAD IN IT!!! |
| 01:38.38 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: 5000 blocks, I never published it |
| 01:38.41 | G`othicBZFan | I played in the FreeBSD map with the word FreeBSD emblazoned at the top of a multitier thingy lol |
| 01:38.45 | bzdoug | I think I lost it oo |
| 01:38.47 | bzdoug | too* |
| 01:38.59 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: thats kinda cool |
| 01:39.09 | G`othicBZFan | its a running server as we speak |
| 01:39.18 | bzdoug | G`othicBZFan: I wanted to take tims head and rotate it up so people could see it |
| 01:39.19 | DarkPatlabor | well if you want a new card, the 2 and the 4mx are both good |
| 01:39.27 | DarkPatlabor | how much were you looking at a 4mx for? |
| 01:39.51 | G`othicBZFan | looks like i have to invest in something to fix the issues lol |
| 01:40.20 | DarkPatlabor | any of the MX series should be realy cheap |
| 01:40.20 | G`othicBZFan | $199 |
| 01:40.23 | G`othicBZFan | CDN |
| 01:40.29 | DarkPatlabor | what is that US? |
| 01:40.34 | G`othicBZFan | Canadian |
| 01:40.39 | G`othicBZFan | its a retail box |
| 01:40.49 | G`othicBZFan | i can probably get OEM for 100 |
| 01:40.50 | DarkPatlabor | still that's like what $80 here? |
| 01:40.55 | G`othicBZFan | but they are tough to find |
| 01:41.02 | DarkPatlabor | look online |
| 01:41.02 | G`othicBZFan | yep |
| 01:41.11 | DarkPatlabor | we sell them for like $65 us |
| 01:41.20 | G`othicBZFan | i know.. i just can't justify the expense lol |
| 01:41.29 | MrApathyCream | bzdoug: heya |
| 01:41.33 | DarkPatlabor | then get a 2mx |
| 01:41.47 | G`othicBZFan | yepper |
| 01:41.49 | DarkPatlabor | got a place online that sells em for $29 us pluss shiping |
| 01:41.52 | G`othicBZFan | thanks for the info yet again |
| 01:42.07 | G`othicBZFan | ill be back when i need to make such grimacing decisions lol |
| 01:42.36 | DarkPatlabor | well you shold not have to grimace over a MX, they are considerd "Crap" cards compared to the current ones |
| 01:42.40 | G`othicBZFan | off to try out the g1 ver. thanks again for the help guys.. you are a blast |
| 01:42.43 | DarkPatlabor | they don't have shaders |
| 01:43.31 | G`othicBZFan | if i get a card it will be to upgrade the girlies system.. then ill just borrow it to play bz lol |
| 01:43.40 | G`othicBZFan | ciao ciao for now |
| 01:43.43 | DarkPatlabor | see ya |
| 01:43.58 | DarkPatlabor | gahhh why is the web server refusing connections!!!!, yet SSH works. |
| 01:44.33 | DarkPatlabor | had this problem last time and fiber fixed it for me |
| 01:44.39 | DarkPatlabor | don't know what he did tho |
| 01:44.42 | bzdoug | when I see bzflag with shaders... |
| 01:44.57 | bzdoug | try port scanning to see if port 80 is open? |
| 01:45.13 | bzdoug | the firewall might be blocking it |
| 01:46.08 | Jormungandr | ps -auwwx | grep httpd |
| 01:46.33 | Jormungandr | see if it's actually running |
| 01:46.44 | Jormungandr | should see a handful of httpd processes. |
| 01:46.51 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 01:48.01 | DarkPatlabor | 3 of them |
| 01:48.16 | Jormungandr | should me more than that. |
| 01:48.24 | *** join/#bzflag Asgard (~root@208.48.199.215) |
| 01:48.28 | Jormungandr | check to see if there are any errors in the httpd errorlog |
| 01:48.54 | Asgard | why can't I freakin past |
| 01:49.16 | DarkPatlabor | seems I can't type on that keyboard ether |
| 01:49.26 | DarkPatlabor | wana ssh in and see for yourslelf :) |
| 01:50.04 | Jormungandr | I can... just about at the stage with risotto where it needs to be stirred constantly for the next hour, though. |
| 01:50.20 | DarkPatlabor | well then I shan't bug you for that |
| 01:50.24 | Jormungandr | email me a login and passwd |
| 01:50.29 | Jormungandr | mandrake@dragon.org |
| 01:50.29 | DarkPatlabor | one can nor ruin dinner |
| 01:50.49 | bzdoug | lol |
| 01:50.50 | Jormungandr | and I will when I get someone to releive me when I stir |
| 01:50.51 | bzdoug | I can |
| 01:51.24 | DarkPatlabor | I made an account for you |
| 01:51.32 | bzdoug | mwa? |
| 01:51.37 | DarkPatlabor | no not you |
| 01:51.42 | bzdoug | k |
| 01:51.46 | DarkPatlabor | you used to have an acount |
| 01:51.48 | DarkPatlabor | but it's GONE now |
| 01:52.20 | bzdoug | gnome? |
| 01:52.26 | bzdoug | I use gnome |
| 01:52.27 | DarkPatlabor | no gone |
| 01:52.33 | bzdoug | yea |
| 01:52.38 | bzdoug | kde is terrible |
| 01:52.40 | DarkPatlabor | gnome is missing so much cool stuff |
| 01:52.43 | DarkPatlabor | kde roxors |
| 01:52.50 | DarkPatlabor | kde is faster |
| 01:52.55 | DarkPatlabor | kde is slicker |
| 01:52.55 | bzdoug | bah |
| 01:53.00 | DarkPatlabor | kde has way cooler themes |
| 01:53.05 | bzdoug | b.l.o.a.t.e.d. |
| 01:53.16 | DarkPatlabor | yes gnome is rather bloated |
| 01:53.26 | DarkPatlabor | since it's based on a freaking graphics editor. |
| 01:53.34 | bzdoug | kde is |
| 01:53.58 | DarkPatlabor | no, gnome was based off gtk, gtk was made for gimp |
| 01:54.10 | DarkPatlabor | kde was based of qt |
| 01:54.22 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:54.37 | bzdoug | what I want is aqua |
| 01:54.45 | DarkPatlabor | then use a mac |
| 01:54.54 | bzdoug | in linux |
| 01:54.59 | DarkPatlabor | then wait |
| 01:55.04 | bzdoug | bah |
| 01:55.18 | bzdoug | I did find one aqua thing for KDE |
| 01:55.28 | DarkPatlabor | tht's what I use is the aqua theme for it |
| 01:55.29 | bzdoug | hmm, does the default redhat use gnome or KDE? |
| 01:55.38 | DarkPatlabor | gnome |
| 01:55.43 | DarkPatlabor | you have to tell it to install kde |
| 01:55.48 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:55.53 | bzdoug | I installed everything I think |
| 01:55.54 | DarkPatlabor | kde launches in about 1/2 the time of gnome |
| 01:56.06 | DarkPatlabor | you also have to tell it to change your session |
| 01:56.10 | DarkPatlabor | to a kde one |
| 01:56.21 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:57.03 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 01:57.04 | bzdoug | http://apps.kde.com/nf/2/info/id/1902?sid=&sid= |
| 01:58.44 | DarkPatlabor | see kde continues to kick ass |
| 01:58.52 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:58.56 | DarkPatlabor | and the kde pannel dosn't crash every 3 min, like the gonme one does |
| 01:58.57 | bzdoug | I like KDE better than gnome |
| 01:59.09 | DarkPatlabor | hypocite |
| 01:59.10 | bzdoug | huh, you must have something broken, mine NEVER crashes |
| 01:59.15 | bzdoug | :P |
| 01:59.22 | DarkPatlabor | try adding stuff to it |
| 01:59.29 | DarkPatlabor | and using all it's features |
| 01:59.35 | bzdoug | hm |
| 01:59.45 | bzdoug | but thats messing with it |
| 01:59.46 | bzdoug | :P |
| 02:00.27 | DarkPatlabor | no that's using it |
| 02:00.37 | DarkPatlabor | you realy are a mac user at heart anr't you? |
| 02:00.44 | bzdoug | ;) |
| 02:00.47 | DarkPatlabor | "oh no don't use it, just look at it" |
| 02:00.52 | DarkPatlabor | then it's flawless. |
| 02:00.56 | bzdoug | yup |
| 02:01.17 | DarkPatlabor | everytime I try to use gnome it lets me down |
| 02:01.32 | bzdoug | if they could get every windows program to run on the mac or linux, I would switch... ;) |
| 02:01.37 | DarkPatlabor | it crashes, dosn't have the settings I want to set, or just is damned slow |
| 02:01.54 | DarkPatlabor | in KDE you can config the hell outa everything, gnome just lets you load themes. |
| 02:02.15 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-253-83-21.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:02.19 | bzdoug | scanline! |
| 02:02.26 | scanline | ? |
| 02:02.36 | scanline | I think the ethernet cable fell out of yoshi... |
| 02:02.41 | DarkPatlabor | I'm adding a public BZCOP forum to bzbb, in the servers secion, where people can ask questons of cops. |
| 02:02.45 | bzdoug | hows it doin'/whats up?/lo/hi/hello/greetings/moin |
| 02:02.54 | scanline | moin moin moin moin moin |
| 02:02.58 | bzdoug | scanline: fell? |
| 02:03.12 | bzdoug | scanline: like, it decided to jump and just fell off? |
| 02:03.17 | scanline | yes |
| 02:03.19 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 02:03.26 | bzdoug | odd |
| 02:04.10 | Jormungandr | now grep for httpd in ps |
| 02:04.14 | Jormungandr | that's how it SHOULD look. |
| 02:04.40 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: hum, fixer uper, come here and make my linux box play dvds on my cdrom |
| 02:05.00 | DarkPatlabor | doug you have to be nice to him first |
| 02:05.09 | DarkPatlabor | hmmm what should I call the cop fourm |
| 02:05.10 | Jormungandr | it should now start httpd on startup. that was the problem. |
| 02:05.20 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: please please please please? |
| 02:05.21 | Jormungandr | you always run box in runlevel 5? |
| 02:05.21 | DarkPatlabor | so I restart? |
| 02:05.27 | Jormungandr | no need. |
| 02:05.29 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: bzcop forum ;) |
| 02:05.29 | Jormungandr | http is running |
| 02:05.37 | DarkPatlabor | I just installed the thing form the redhat disks |
| 02:05.44 | DarkPatlabor | this is it's defalt state |
| 02:05.47 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 02:05.51 | DarkPatlabor | thenI updated the hell outa it |
| 02:05.55 | Jormungandr | you have to specify to start stuff. |
| 02:05.56 | bzdoug | haha |
| 02:06.07 | DarkPatlabor | deatails. details |
| 02:06.27 | DarkPatlabor | well then lets see if phpbb will play nice |
| 02:06.58 | bzdoug | lol |
| 02:07.03 | bzdoug | hmm, my phpbb wont run |
| 02:07.17 | DarkPatlabor | did you install mysql? |
| 02:07.18 | DarkPatlabor | and php? |
| 02:07.29 | bzdoug | php yes |
| 02:07.32 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:07.34 | bzdoug | no mysql |
| 02:07.41 | bzdoug | I want to test run with MS access |
| 02:08.04 | Jormungandr | mysql is not running on here. |
| 02:08.06 | DarkPatlabor | why not mysql doug? |
| 02:08.07 | Jormungandr | should it be? |
| 02:08.08 | DarkPatlabor | it's faster |
| 02:08.24 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: I want to test it |
| 02:08.25 | DarkPatlabor | what is that jorm? |
| 02:08.35 | DarkPatlabor | doug: test with mysql |
| 02:08.36 | Jormungandr | you want mqsql running? |
| 02:08.39 | Jormungandr | mysql |
| 02:08.40 | DarkPatlabor | yes |
| 02:08.49 | DarkPatlabor | phpbb uses it |
| 02:08.58 | bzdoug | DarkPatlabor: ok, but when I try accessing my folder with phpbb in it, it asks for a password |
| 02:09.05 | Jormungandr | okay. mysql is running. |
| 02:09.10 | DarkPatlabor | you are the man |
| 02:09.11 | Jormungandr | and will run when the machine starts. |
| 02:09.23 | DarkPatlabor | doug: your IIS has it's permisions set wrong. |
| 02:09.31 | bzdoug | huh |
| 02:09.35 | DarkPatlabor | doug: put the access database somewhere else |
| 02:09.49 | bzdoug | I set the whole freaking server to read and write and stuff totaly insecure |
| 02:09.57 | DarkPatlabor | apernatly not |
| 02:10.26 | Jormungandr | you should be good to go. |
| 02:10.39 | Jormungandr | xwindows is a serious pig, eh? |
| 02:10.48 | DarkPatlabor | is it? |
| 02:10.51 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 02:10.57 | DarkPatlabor | I think all I need now is a database |
| 02:11.01 | Jormungandr | it uses lots of ram, etc. |
| 02:11.02 | DarkPatlabor | KDE works fine for me |
| 02:11.09 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 02:11.09 | DarkPatlabor | yes it uses more then it not being there |
| 02:11.23 | Jormungandr | also.. make sure you give yourself a root password in mysql with mysqladmin |
| 02:11.38 | DarkPatlabor | that's just what I was gonna ask, how do I get there |
| 02:11.50 | Jormungandr | man mysqladmin :) |
| 02:11.52 | bzdoug | lol |
| 02:11.57 | DarkPatlabor | rading now |
| 02:12.01 | Jormungandr | I can help later. it's not huge priority. |
| 02:12.16 | Jormungandr | gotta finish dinner. risotto is awesom. |
| 02:12.17 | Jormungandr | e |
| 02:12.20 | bzdoug | lol |
| 02:12.23 | bzdoug | send me some |
| 02:12.23 | Jormungandr | gotta start grill for the fish. |
| 02:12.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 02:12.35 | Jormungandr | I haven't even added the truffle oil yet. |
| 02:12.35 | DarkPatlabor | have fun and thanks |
| 02:12.40 | DarkPatlabor | I need to go home soon |
| 02:12.43 | Jormungandr | no problem. chat with ya later. |
| 02:12.44 | bzdoug | hah |
| 02:12.48 | Jormungandr | & |
| 02:13.04 | bzdoug | and.... |
| 02:16.48 | DarkPatlabor | ohh so close |
| 02:17.03 | bzdoug | hmm, where is the config file.. |
| 02:17.46 | DarkPatlabor | doug when you ran install.php did you tell it ms access? |
| 02:17.58 | bzdoug | I cant reach install.php |
| 02:18.10 | bzdoug | aha |
| 02:18.12 | bzdoug | there we go |
| 02:18.14 | DarkPatlabor | you installed php right? |
| 02:18.20 | bzdoug | yea |
| 02:18.23 | bzdoug | it works |
| 02:18.40 | DarkPatlabor | well I'll ssh the rest of this from home |
| 02:18.42 | bzdoug | hmm, so I need to setup a MS access database |
| 02:18.50 | bzdoug | right? |
| 02:18.50 | DarkPatlabor | yes |
| 02:19.00 | DarkPatlabor | you have to have the db ready |
| 02:19.03 | DarkPatlabor | first |
| 02:19.14 | bzdoug | k |
| 02:19.28 | bzdoug | cya |
| 02:24.32 | Jormungandr | well, grill is heating up, fish is wrapped in foil for the grill, and the risotto is sitting, and I added the truffle oil. |
| 02:24.40 | Jormungandr | and it's really excellent. :) |
| 02:25.00 | Jormungandr | now just gotta wait for houseguest |
| 02:26.28 | *** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@12-253-83-21.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:35.43 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221 (~Jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 02:35.53 | bzdoug | 'lo patlabor221! |
| 02:35.55 | Jormungandr | we are waiting impatiently for houseguest. |
| 02:35.58 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 02:36.05 | Jormungandr | at least the risotto will keep. |
| 02:36.10 | patlabor221 | that's good |
| 02:36.15 | bzdoug | heh |
| 02:36.22 | Jormungandr | there he is! |
| 02:36.23 | Jormungandr | afk |
| 02:36.27 | bzdoug | haahhhahah |
| 02:36.51 | patlabor221 | now Ijust need to find out how to get mysql to work with php |
| 02:36.54 | patlabor221 | have fun |
| 02:37.27 | bzdoug | huh, and the installer wont run |
| 02:37.33 | bzdoug | I double click and it just sits there |
| 02:38.37 | Jormungandr | mysql should work by default with php |
| 02:38.50 | Jormungandr | fish is on the grill :) |
| 02:38.56 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: how about me? ;) |
| 02:39.06 | Jormungandr | I can help you out a bit later. |
| 02:39.13 | bzdoug | kidding |
| 02:39.14 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:39.16 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 02:39.45 | bzdoug | wierd |
| 02:39.53 | bzdoug | this installer just doesnt do ANYTHING |
| 02:39.59 | bzdoug | it doesnt even starty |
| 02:40.03 | bzdoug | incredible |
| 02:40.10 | patlabor221 | it says it's not |
| 02:40.16 | patlabor221 | wonder what verion I have |
| 02:42.30 | bzdoug | wierd! |
| 02:42.55 | bzdoug | hmm, says the windows 16 bit sub system is unstable |
| 02:43.35 | bzdoug | poof |
| 02:44.45 | patlabor221 | hmm I think the best type of administration is couch based addmins |
| 03:00.38 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 03:00.38 | bzdoug | greetings |
| 03:11.59 | patlabor221 | hmmm i wonder if I am blocking the sql port |
| 03:12.21 | bzdoug | bah |
| 03:12.27 | bzdoug | could not connect to database |
| 03:13.37 | bzdoug | triple bah |
| 03:13.56 | *** join/#bzflag tvon (~tvon@md-frdrck-cmts2a-a-53.shphwv.adelphia.net) |
| 03:14.03 | bzdoug | 'lo tvon |
| 03:14.09 | tvon | There a "how to kill campers on madcity" tutorial around? |
| 03:14.19 | bzdoug | -superkill |
| 03:14.20 | tvon | or.....how can I take a screenie of a bzgame in session? |
| 03:14.35 | tvon | I'm determined to camp till people lern to deal with it |
| 03:14.35 | bzdoug | press print screen and paste into paint |
| 03:14.36 | tvon | :) |
| 03:14.46 | bzdoug | :) |
| 03:14.48 | tvon | linux... |
| 03:14.58 | bzdoug | bummer |
| 03:15.05 | bzdoug | ask someone that uses linux ;0 |
| 03:15.09 | tvon | I just racked up a 192-4 score on hashmark...and people were complaining like I was numbers boy |
| 03:15.13 | tvon | ah, heh |
| 03:15.23 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:15.48 | patlabor221 | people don't like to lose |
| 03:15.52 | tvon | so, I wanna do a tutorial on how to kill campers |
| 03:15.53 | tvon | heh |
| 03:16.06 | bzdoug | aha! I got it to work! |
| 03:16.12 | tvon | could never do that on turkey, quality of play is too high |
| 03:16.17 | bzdoug | tvon: hehe |
| 03:16.36 | tvon | hmm...octopus 2 is a bad movie |
| 03:16.39 | bzdoug | tvon: step one, get a whole team with ST and sneak up on him |
| 03:16.45 | tvon | heh |
| 03:16.57 | bzdoug | step 2? pounce the camper |
| 03:18.46 | patlabor221 | patch bz to put an ammo limit on the GM and make it a real game |
| 03:19.04 | bzdoug | bah |
| 03:19.11 | bzdoug | patlabor221: yea.. that would be nice... |
| 03:19.26 | bzdoug | patlabor221: or at least make the GM reload reeeeaaaallly sllloooowwwllllyy |
| 03:19.36 | bzdoug | and only have 1 GM in the air at a time |
| 03:19.43 | patlabor221 | no limit it to 10 shots |
| 03:19.53 | patlabor221 | real ammo |
| 03:20.04 | bzdoug | yay, phpbb works, but I still cant get to it without authorization |
| 03:20.11 | tvon | bah |
| 03:20.14 | patlabor221 | then you need to fix it |
| 03:20.17 | tvon | maybe on some maps |
| 03:20.24 | tvon | I've never had an issue with campers |
| 03:20.30 | bzdoug | tvon: heh |
| 03:20.33 | tvon | just dont go in front of them |
| 03:20.41 | tvon | only problem I have is with respawning |
| 03:20.49 | bzdoug | hmm, that can be fixed ;) |
| 03:20.53 | bzdoug | patches welcome! |
| 03:21.44 | tvon | I dont have that big of a problemw th it :) |
| 03:21.54 | tvon | though, it might be some fun logic to figure out |
| 03:21.56 | patlabor221 | your just used to it |
| 03:22.03 | patlabor221 | bz is not very ballanced |
| 03:22.11 | bzdoug | http://heck.no-ip.com |
| 03:22.17 | bzdoug | click the phpbb fodler |
| 03:22.46 | tvon | IIS error |
| 03:22.53 | tvon | just install apache and be done with it :) |
| 03:22.57 | bzdoug | bah |
| 03:23.04 | patlabor221 | or change your permisions |
| 03:23.06 | tvon | patlabor221: true, GM is by far the quickest way to rack up points |
| 03:23.14 | bzdoug | I dint want to fiddle with apache and perl and php |
| 03:23.16 | patlabor221 | doug are you using a fat32 volume? |
| 03:23.25 | bzdoug | patlabor221: hmm, I think its ntfs |
| 03:23.33 | patlabor221 | you don't know? |
| 03:23.36 | bzdoug | NTFS |
| 03:23.37 | bzdoug | yea |
| 03:23.43 | patlabor221 | make sure the foolder is set to everyone |
| 03:23.47 | bzdoug | k |
| 03:23.47 | bzdoug | ah |
| 03:23.48 | patlabor221 | in it's permisions |
| 03:23.53 | tvon | bzdoug: some psycho maps youve got there :) |
| 03:24.07 | bzdoug | tvon: like what? |
| 03:24.18 | tvon | woo and woowoo images |
| 03:24.30 | tvon | I've played a variation on woo |
| 03:24.33 | tvon | er, on the first one |
| 03:24.36 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:24.36 | tvon | spirals I guess? |
| 03:24.40 | bzdoug | yea |
| 03:24.42 | tvon | heh |
| 03:25.02 | bzdoug | ah |
| 03:25.13 | bzdoug | jzauns decks and spirals merged |
| 03:25.19 | bzdoug | dint work out perfect |
| 03:25.20 | bzdoug | :) |
| 03:25.21 | tvon | hah, damn |
| 03:25.23 | tvon | I miss decks |
| 03:25.28 | tvon | decks with no flags was the most fun |
| 03:25.29 | tvon | imo |
| 03:25.36 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 03:25.40 | bzdoug | bzflag.net has decks |
| 03:25.44 | tvon | but it needed alot of peeps...and people like flags |
| 03:26.01 | bzdoug | ~bzflag.net is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.net:5155 |
| 03:26.01 | | bzdoug: okay |
| 03:26.03 | bzdoug | yea |
| 03:26.06 | bzdoug | ~bzflag.net |
| 03:26.22 | bzdoug | bzflag.net is up with decks :) its protons server |
| 03:26.33 | tvon | ahh...yeah |
| 03:26.35 | bzdoug | if you stay there long enuf, someone might play |
| 03:26.37 | tvon | nobody is ever there though |
| 03:26.41 | tvon | yeah |
| 03:26.45 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 03:26.48 | tvon | gonna do that later |
| 03:26.48 | tvon | heh |
| 03:27.25 | bzdoug | hm, I dont see everyone in my security for this folder |
| 03:27.45 | patlabor221 | what do you see |
| 03:27.50 | tvon | hrm..I really hate windows...as cliche as that is.. |
| 03:27.52 | patlabor221 | at least set it for the IIS user |
| 03:27.58 | tvon | but I wouldnt mind a win2k box to play with |
| 03:28.05 | bzdoug | admins, creator, doug, system, users |
| 03:28.16 | bzdoug | tvon: hehe |
| 03:28.38 | patlabor221 | add the iis user |
| 03:28.54 | bzdoug | yay |
| 03:28.58 | bzdoug | it works |
| 03:29.07 | bzdoug | try it |
| 03:29.13 | tvon | nice |
| 03:29.18 | tvon | I love phpbb |
| 03:29.25 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 03:29.31 | bzdoug | better than those "other" ones |
| 03:29.34 | tvon | bzdoug: whats it for? |
| 03:29.43 | bzdoug | stuff |
| 03:29.44 | bzdoug | :) |
| 03:29.45 | tvon | hah, nice |
| 03:29.53 | bzdoug | I wanted to see how easy it is to setup |
| 03:30.03 | bzdoug | on linux it shoudl be hard at all |
| 03:30.06 | bzdoug | right patlabor221? |
| 03:30.08 | bzdoug | :P |
| 03:30.11 | tvon | tis cake on linux I think |
| 03:30.11 | patlabor221 | it's the same thing on lin, web connections use some user for there premisions |
| 03:30.14 | patlabor221 | to get a folder |
| 03:30.16 | tvon | yeah |
| 03:30.23 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 03:30.30 | patlabor221 | it's about the same to set it up on ether |
| 03:30.43 | patlabor221 | tho on linux some things are not as easaly apernat |
| 03:30.48 | bzdoug | ooh, administration panel! |
| 03:30.54 | bzdoug | lots and lots of buttons! |
| 03:30.57 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:31.16 | patlabor221 | like how do I find out what port mysql is using on lin |
| 03:31.26 | bzdoug | port scan the system |
| 03:32.27 | bzdoug | Disable board |
| 03:32.28 | bzdoug | This will make the board unavailable to users. Do not log out when you disable the board because you will not be able to log back in! |
| 03:32.31 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:32.34 | bzdoug | thats would suck |
| 03:32.37 | tvon | yall remember the Far Side with the vultures around the corpse, and one of them is wearing a cowboy hat and he says "look at me, I'm a cowboy. howdy howdy howdy" ? |
| 03:32.53 | tvon | cracks me up every time |
| 03:32.55 | tvon | heh |
| 03:33.03 | bzdoug | nope, 'fraid not |
| 03:33.10 | bzdoug | must have been before my time |
| 03:33.11 | tvon | hah |
| 03:33.22 | tvon | Far Side shoudl be required 3rd grade reading |
| 03:33.24 | tvon | heh |
| 03:33.32 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:33.47 | patlabor221 | ther's a post for ya |
| 03:34.09 | bzdoug | I shall ban you for flooding |
| 03:34.11 | bzdoug | :P |
| 03:34.22 | bzdoug | or delete the message |
| 03:34.23 | patlabor221 | what did I flood |
| 03:34.24 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 03:34.26 | bzdoug | lemme try that first |
| 03:34.29 | patlabor221 | it's just a large post |
| 03:34.38 | bzdoug | lol |
| 03:34.39 | bzdoug | bak |
| 03:34.41 | bzdoug | baka |
| 03:34.53 | patlabor221 | id you ban for that, your a bad admin |
| 03:35.03 | bzdoug | [ppf |
| 03:35.05 | bzdoug | poof |
| 03:35.09 | bzdoug | I dint bann ya |
| 03:35.15 | bzdoug | etc etc etc |
| 03:35.29 | bzdoug | the reply is gone though.. takes up space on the sql server |
| 03:35.30 | patlabor221 | you should see all the extra buttons on bzbb |
| 03:35.40 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 03:35.51 | patlabor221 | all posts take space |
| 03:36.47 | bzdoug | very little |
| 03:36.55 | bzdoug | unless it has more than 200 bakas in it |
| 03:37.00 | bzdoug | then it multiplys by 10 |
| 03:37.23 | bzdoug | ooh, word censors |
| 03:38.39 | bzdoug | there, new forum |
| 03:39.50 | bzdoug | hmm, stickys.. |
| 03:40.34 | patlabor221 | there one new bzbb forum |
| 03:40.49 | bzdoug | wherE? |
| 03:41.38 | bzdoug | URL? |
| 03:44.54 | patlabor221 | you know the bzbb url |
| 03:44.58 | patlabor221 | I just added a forum |
| 03:45.08 | patlabor221 | to the servers list |
| 03:45.14 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 03:45.16 | patlabor221 | for admin/cop type stuff |
| 03:45.20 | bzdoug | ah |
| 03:47.33 | patlabor221 | hmmm gonna need jorms help to figure out this mysql problem |
| 03:52.07 | patlabor221 | ahh the joys of couch based administration |
| 03:52.28 | patlabor221 | what? |
| 03:52.42 | bzdoug | rule number one is make yourself as unconfortable as possible to stay away |
| 03:52.53 | bzdoug | or drink 2 gallons of coffee |
| 03:52.58 | patlabor221 | ? |
| 03:53.25 | bzdoug | interesting |
| 03:53.32 | bzdoug | no raw fish? |
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| 03:53.57 | patlabor221 | whoot giant robots that turn into gianter robots |
| 03:54.16 | bzdoug | hm |
| 03:55.32 | bzdoug | hmm, I dint need to install mysql |
| 03:55.40 | bzdoug | I could have used my hosting service |
| 03:56.58 | patlabor221 | what are you gonna do with the board |
| 03:57.16 | bzdoug | something to fool around with |
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| 04:01.06 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: lo/moin/hi/hello/whats up?/hey |
| 04:04.11 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 04:04.23 | bzdoug | that wasnt in the list.. |
| 04:04.27 | bzdoug | :P |
| 04:11.31 | patlabor221 | dislick? |
| 04:11.42 | bzdoug | dislike |
| 04:11.42 | patlabor221 | and when your server gets hacked, you will love them |
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| 04:47.53 | bzdoug | 'lo patlabor221 |
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| 06:16.23 | Patlabor221 | damn right I am |
| 06:16.50 | Patlabor221 | poor mysql, it's not happy |
| 08:59.23 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 09:27.00 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 10:04.13 | MrApathyCream | release by June? |
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| 12:52.37 | calico | chestal, are there any other moles around for a match? |
| 12:53.00 | Chestal | lupi is here, but I am not actually:-) |
| 12:53.21 | Chestal | I'm at home, waiting for my fries to get ready to be devoured |
| 12:54.29 | calico | lol....mmmmm fries |
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| 16:34.50 | Jormungandr | heya Patlabor221 |
| 16:36.54 | Patlabor221 | hey |
| 16:38.08 | Patlabor221 | mysql was not working properly, I am wondering if the port it uses is blocked |
| 16:39.23 | Patlabor221 | how was your dinner? |
| 16:39.30 | Patlabor221 | did it come out ok?> |
| 16:39.43 | Jormungandr | it was great :) |
| 16:39.49 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 16:39.52 | Jormungandr | ummm |
| 16:40.06 | Jormungandr | you trying to use it from local machine? |
| 16:40.43 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying to run the phpbb install page |
| 16:41.09 | Jormungandr | ah. hrm. it might be blocked, or mysql is not supporting remote users. |
| 16:41.15 | Jormungandr | what errors is it giving? |
| 16:41.18 | Patlabor221 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/testbb/install.php |
| 16:42.11 | Patlabor221 | The php configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you choose |
| 16:42.18 | Patlabor221 | and I chose mysql 3.x |
| 16:42.30 | Patlabor221 | since mysqladmin said it was 3.something |
| 16:42.49 | Jormungandr | hm. |
| 16:42.53 | Patlabor221 | I remember on my windows machine I had to open a port for it to work |
| 16:43.30 | Jormungandr | did you use "localhost" for the database address? |
| 16:43.39 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 16:43.46 | Patlabor221 | well no.... :0 |
| 16:43.49 | Patlabor221 | let me try that |
| 16:43.50 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 16:44.02 | Patlabor221 | I used it's address |
| 16:44.15 | Jormungandr | that would probably break it, depending on setup. |
| 16:44.30 | Jormungandr | if that doesn't work, there is another thing to try. |
| 16:44.36 | Patlabor221 | it didn't |
| 16:44.42 | Jormungandr | hang on... |
| 16:47.27 | Jormungandr | php-mysql-4.2.2-8.0.7 <---find and install that rpm |
| 16:47.47 | Jormungandr | rh8 is too stupid to install by default. |
| 16:47.52 | Patlabor221 | oeydoke |
| 16:48.08 | Patlabor221 | methinks I'll take a shower first tho |
| 16:48.10 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 16:48.14 | Jormungandr | np :) |
| 16:48.42 | Jormungandr | which means I've discovered that it's not installed on my new RH 8 machine. *spit* |
| 16:48.44 | Patlabor221 | I think I'll try mandarake or debian for my next linux |
| 16:49.11 | Patlabor221 | the PH8 installer dosn't set a lot of things it seems. it only did half my net setup |
| 16:49.15 | Jormungandr | there are parts of redhat that I find very valauble. |
| 16:49.22 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 16:49.41 | Jormungandr | a RHN subscription is very handy. |
| 16:50.24 | Jormungandr | costs me $60/machine/year |
| 16:50.28 | Jormungandr | but it's worth it |
| 16:50.32 | Jormungandr | just in time saving. |
| 17:06.13 | Patlabor221 | well if you don't mind swaping around your entitlements, you can get away with 1 for multiple machines |
| 17:06.19 | Patlabor221 | I have 1 account too |
| 17:08.31 | Patlabor221 | I want to know why it puts all the usefull things in "extras" |
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| 17:11.29 | Patlabor221 | ok it's installed do I have to stop and start anything? |
| 17:11.44 | Patlabor221 | or redo anything? |
| 17:13.07 | Jormungandr | hrm |
| 17:13.18 | Jormungandr | you might do "service mysqld restart" |
| 17:13.33 | Jormungandr | and "apachectl graceful" |
| 17:13.36 | Jormungandr | just to be sure. |
| 17:14.00 | Patlabor221 | The php configuration on your server doesn't support the database type that you choose |
| 17:14.02 | Patlabor221 | bahh |
| 17:14.13 | Jormungandr | try apachectl stop |
| 17:14.14 | Patlabor221 | bash: servi ce command not found |
| 17:14.17 | Jormungandr | then apachectl start |
| 17:14.18 | Patlabor221 | no I pasted wrong |
| 17:14.28 | Patlabor221 | is it /bin/serice ? |
| 17:14.31 | Patlabor221 | or sbin? |
| 17:14.46 | Jormungandr | let me look |
| 17:14.59 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah just go it :) |
| 17:15.42 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 17:16.00 | Patlabor221 | where is apache? |
| 17:16.06 | Patlabor221 | or apachesctl? |
| 17:16.18 | Jormungandr | apachectl is in /usr/sbin |
| 17:16.18 | Patlabor221 | foudn it |
| 17:16.24 | Patlabor221 | keep forgeting locate |
| 17:16.34 | Jormungandr | when you su, do you do su - or just su? |
| 17:16.43 | Patlabor221 | su |
| 17:16.48 | Jormungandr | put a dash after it |
| 17:16.52 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:16.55 | Patlabor221 | what does that do? |
| 17:16.57 | Jormungandr | will source all those paths for you |
| 17:17.05 | Jormungandr | then you don't have to search for them. |
| 17:17.09 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 17:17.50 | Patlabor221 | well now would you look at that :) |
| 17:17.57 | Jormungandr | workie? |
| 17:17.58 | Patlabor221 | http://asgard.bakadigital.com/testbb/ |
| 17:18.02 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 17:18.05 | Jormungandr | hray! |
| 17:18.13 | Patlabor221 | and fiber said it would't work on the current apache |
| 17:18.17 | Jormungandr | we'll teach you unix administration, het. :) |
| 17:18.18 | Jormungandr | yet |
| 17:18.20 | Jormungandr | bah |
| 17:18.23 | Jormungandr | humbug :) |
| 17:18.26 | Patlabor221 | well that would be nice |
| 17:18.48 | Patlabor221 | I would find it hard to beilve that soething as popular as php would not work on the latest web server |
| 17:18.54 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 17:19.04 | Patlabor221 | now for 2 more fun things |
| 17:19.11 | Jormungandr | well... if you don't have newest versions of stuff, apache 2 tends to be very evil. |
| 17:19.27 | Patlabor221 | 1 copy a bb and database from a windows machine to here |
| 17:19.35 | Patlabor221 | and to copy bzbb and see if it works |
| 17:19.43 | Patlabor221 | should I downdate to older stuff? |
| 17:19.48 | Patlabor221 | I think I have the latest |
| 17:19.56 | Jormungandr | no... just keep moving on. |
| 17:20.07 | Jormungandr | RH 8 should have stable apache 2.0 |
| 17:20.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah if it works it works |
| 17:20.40 | Jormungandr | if stuff comes out that doesn't work, tell the developer to get out of the stone age. :) |
| 17:21.36 | Patlabor221 | now I'm trying to understand how mysql keeps it's databases, and how to get a database from one server to another, is it an export then import thing? or just move over files? |
| 17:21.54 | Jormungandr | other database is also mysql? |
| 17:21.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:22.08 | Patlabor221 | it's another phpbb set up the same way |
| 17:22.14 | Jormungandr | look in /var/lib/mysql |
| 17:22.40 | Jormungandr | mv whole database dir in there and restart mysqld. |
| 17:22.49 | Patlabor221 | coolio |
| 17:22.54 | Jormungandr | MOST of the time, it should work. |
| 17:23.02 | Jormungandr | make sure permissions are the same. |
| 17:23.22 | Jormungandr | chown -R mysql.mysql newdatabasedir |
| 17:23.38 | Patlabor221 | I'll problably have to redo the Update.php page to make sure its set to localhost |
| 17:23.40 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:23.44 | Jormungandr | then... |
| 17:24.01 | Jormungandr | chmod 700 newdatabasedir |
| 17:24.09 | Jormungandr | chmod 660 newdatabasedir/* |
| 17:24.35 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 17:25.26 | Jormungandr | you know how to use the mysql command line client? |
| 17:26.30 | Patlabor221 | I was looking for info on it, I knew it was tehre |
| 17:26.32 | Jormungandr | how to set grants on a database, etc? |
| 17:26.37 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 17:26.59 | Jormungandr | one step at a time, then ;) |
| 17:27.05 | Patlabor221 | I used mysqladmin to make a new database, I was soo proud of myself |
| 17:27.13 | Jormungandr | cool beans :) |
| 17:28.32 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm bzbb is going to have to deal with A time zone change |
| 17:28.36 | Patlabor221 | that will be interesting |
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| 17:31.47 | Patlabor221 | well I'll have to go local to copy the database since I smartly put in on a drive that dosn't have web access on the winders machine |
| 17:32.25 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 17:32.40 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:32.43 | bzdoug | all ice today |
| 17:32.50 | Patlabor221 | tho that machi8ne only allows 10 connection to the net, so that's why I want to move it |
| 17:33.04 | bzdoug | ever seen a minivan do figure 8s? |
| 17:33.04 | Patlabor221 | I may end up hosting up to 3 of these things |
| 17:33.06 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: wow, i could only figure out how using mysql.exe |
| 17:33.34 | MrApathyCream | 20" expected here today |
| 17:33.40 | Patlabor221 | you did it with the CGI method? |
| 17:33.53 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: we dont have snow, we have ice! :P |
| 17:33.55 | MrApathyCream | no, just locally |
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| 17:34.04 | Patlabor221 | we had to do php with the CGI method, it wouldn't work with the aspi stuff |
| 17:34.11 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 17:34.19 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 17:34.23 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 17:35.00 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I should get fiber to tar me up a bzbb and the database and ship it on over for a test |
| 17:38.04 | Patlabor221 | jorm how do you add a new user to the system from a command line? |
| 17:38.17 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:38.21 | Jormungandr | adduser username |
| 17:38.27 | Jormungandr | then passwd username |
| 17:38.45 | Jormungandr | you mean in mysql or linux in general? |
| 17:41.37 | Patlabor221 | in general |
| 17:41.56 | Patlabor221 | gonna need to give fiber an account |
| 17:42.54 | Jormungandr | yeah.. adduser |
| 17:43.09 | Patlabor221 | ahhh makes sense |
| 17:43.10 | Jormungandr | if you just do 'adduser', it'll give you the options. |
| 17:43.22 | Patlabor221 | k |
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| 17:44.04 | bzdoug | hey hardwire |
| 17:44.10 | Patlabor221 | ouch, I hate dull razors |
| 17:44.24 | bzdoug | hmm, shaving in front of the computer again? |
| 17:44.28 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 17:44.34 | Patlabor221 | in the bathroom silly |
| 17:44.38 | bzdoug | good |
| 17:44.56 | Patlabor221 | now the fact that I have a computer in the bathroom that may be odd :) |
| 17:45.10 | bzdoug | ooooh |
| 17:45.11 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:45.23 | Jormungandr | I put a wyse terminal in the bathroom once. |
| 17:45.31 | Jormungandr | then one in the bedroom. |
| 17:45.31 | bzdoug | wyse? |
| 17:45.36 | Jormungandr | text |
| 17:45.41 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:45.43 | Patlabor221 | last night I was soing couch based administration |
| 17:45.43 | Jormungandr | like vt100 dec terminal |
| 17:45.52 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: I see. :0 |
| 17:45.53 | Jormungandr | I do that on my laptop. |
| 17:50.20 | Jormungandr | ~secretplace |
| 17:50.29 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
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| 17:55.31 | Cell | lo |
| 17:56.44 | Cell | does someone know wht i nned to write pdf documents ? |
| 17:56.54 | bzdoug | acrobat |
| 17:56.59 | bzdoug | full version |
| 17:57.03 | Cell | or |
| 17:57.13 | bzdoug | thats it |
| 17:57.24 | Cell | what about latex? |
| 17:57.34 | bzdoug | never heard of it |
| 17:58.06 | Cell | i need to put in some math equations too |
| 17:58.25 | Cell | .ps docs |
| 17:58.53 | Patlabor221 | illustrator will export to pdf I tink |
| 17:58.56 | bzdoug | if you get acrobat, you can print from word and make a PDF |
| 17:59.14 | Cell | BYE |
| 17:59.16 | bzdoug | cya |
| 17:59.18 | Jormungandr | later, pat |
| 18:00.01 | Cell | the unix ol use something i thing called TEX that needs to be compiled to a doc? |
| 18:00.12 | bzdoug | dunno |
| 18:00.20 | Cell | ups |
| 18:00.31 | Chestal | TeX is a language for describing a document |
| 18:00.42 | Cell | yep, thats what i want |
| 18:00.47 | Jormungandr | TEX compiles to postscript... never seen it do PDF. |
| 18:00.53 | Cell | ok |
| 18:00.55 | Chestal | it compiles to .dvi |
| 18:01.03 | Jormungandr | true |
| 18:01.06 | Cell | what do i need for TeX? |
| 18:01.09 | Jormungandr | then something else makes it .ps |
| 18:01.11 | Chestal | there is pdflatex which creates PDF |
| 18:01.17 | Chestal | or you can covnert dvi to ps and ps to pdf |
| 18:01.19 | Jormungandr | oooh... cool. |
| 18:01.46 | Jormungandr | fortunately, my mac will let me print a file to a PDF. |
| 18:02.00 | Jormungandr | so if I need PDF, that's how I've been doing it. |
| 18:02.24 | Cell | i need TeX |
| 18:03.30 | Cell | because as far as i know it has language commands for math expressions |
| 18:04.44 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: hah, and my PC does too |
| 18:04.57 | Jormungandr | you using acrobat? |
| 18:05.01 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: I remember back in acrobat 3, with distiller and stuff |
| 18:05.03 | Jormungandr | mine does it withoutit. |
| 18:05.05 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: yea. |
| 18:05.08 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 18:05.32 | bzdoug | presto, 1/2 hour later, a PDF! |
| 18:05.37 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 18:06.20 | Jormungandr | fortunately, I don't need to do a lot of PDFs |
| 18:06.26 | bzdoug | heh |
| 18:06.36 | bzdoug | this was on a 200 mhz macintosh clone |
| 18:06.43 | bzdoug | the last of the clones |
| 18:06.52 | Jormungandr | sounds like a good title for a movie. |
| 18:06.58 | bzdoug | haha |
| 18:07.06 | Chestal | Cell: yes, LaTeX is good if you need a docuemnt with lots of formulas |
| 18:07.11 | bzdoug | episode 3 :P |
| 18:08.38 | Jormungandr | sometimes various linux distributions can be annoying. |
| 18:08.51 | Chestal | Cell: looks like this: \item Use $f(x)=x^2 \sin x$ ... |
| 18:08.58 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: heheheh |
| 18:09.48 | Jormungandr | on my work and home machines, if I use local xterm, ssh to this shell, and use screen, not all the screen controls work right. but... |
| 18:09.53 | Cell | Chestal:where do i get Ltex, there are really nots off stuff when i google? |
| 18:10.01 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: hmmm |
| 18:10.07 | Jormungandr | if I ssh in first, then run xterm, then screen, it works fine. |
| 18:10.14 | bzdoug | lol |
| 18:11.09 | Jormungandr | about the only thing M$ ever did right, because they didn't do it, they bought it from citrix. |
| 18:11.17 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 18:11.24 | bzdoug | it is rather nice |
| 18:11.25 | bzdoug | fast |
| 18:11.31 | Jormungandr | a lot faster than vnc |
| 18:11.35 | bzdoug | even over dialup, its faster than VNC |
| 18:11.38 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:11.39 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 18:12.03 | Jormungandr | that's why I don't like graphical stuff in unix. |
| 18:12.10 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 18:12.28 | Jormungandr | I am a little sleepy. need to adjust to this new shift. |
| 18:12.42 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:14.39 | *** join/#bzflag paul ([yd6iCNNVk@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 18:14.59 | bzdoug | JAKMA! |
| 18:15.12 | bzdoug | GET YOUR JAKMA OFF ME! |
| 18:15.56 | paul | ? |
| 18:16.02 | paul | hi doug |
| 18:16.10 | bzdoug | greetings and salutations |
| 18:16.48 | paul | indeed :) |
| 18:17.39 | bzdoug | if I say hi, it puts in greetings :P |
| 18:18.17 | paul | xchat can do that, eg this is the letter 'u' -> you |
| 18:18.25 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:18.27 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:18.37 | paul | but you have to teach it the substitutions beforehand. |
| 18:18.42 | bzdoug | yea... |
| 18:18.51 | bzdoug | but I Want it to access a database |
| 18:18.51 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:19.18 | paul | well, may i suggest you learn C, followed by GTK+ and then download the source for xchat. |
| 18:19.32 | bzdoug | no qbasic version? |
| 18:20.58 | paul | nope. very strange too that there's no qbasic version - qbasic being such a l77t programming language. |
| 18:21.06 | bzdoug | indeed |
| 18:23.01 | bzdoug | l33t isnt it? |
| 18:23.08 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:44.01 | bzdoug | ook |
| 18:44.05 | bzdoug | 00k |
| 18:44.57 | bzdoug | ØØK |
| 18:56.34 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-67-114-230-166.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 19:04.54 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E96D8C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:05.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | :o) |
| 19:06.34 | Patlabor221 | Jorm what what the command to restart mysql? |
| 19:10.47 | Jormungandr | service mysqld restart |
| 19:11.21 | hardwire | hi |
| 19:11.47 | hardwire | everytime my roomate has sex our internet connectino goes down |
| 19:11.49 | Patlabor221 | thanks |
| 19:12.00 | Patlabor221 | is the router under his bed? |
| 19:12.01 | Jormungandr | oh, my. |
| 19:12.05 | Jormungandr | twice a year? |
| 19:12.07 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 19:12.18 | hardwire | Patlabor221: heh.. the power is up against his mattress |
| 19:12.46 | Patlabor221 | UPS |
| 19:12.56 | hardwire | thinking about it :) |
| 19:13.03 | hardwire | or just move it to a different socket |
| 19:13.06 | Patlabor221 | you'll proalby only need like 3 min of power |
| 19:13.16 | hardwire | naw he never plugs it back in |
| 19:13.25 | Jormungandr | "my connection is getting slammed. no, really." |
| 19:13.27 | hardwire | that and there would be instant audio distruption during the act |
| 19:14.57 | Patlabor221 | hmm what should the permisions be for folders in /var/www/html ? |
| 19:15.27 | Jormungandr | should be okay with world readable, owned by anyone. |
| 19:15.52 | Jormungandr | unless you need to write to the dir. |
| 19:15.59 | Jormungandr | from the webserver |
| 19:16.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | Patty? |
| 19:16.12 | Patlabor221 | think phpbb would need that |
| 19:16.13 | Patlabor221 | yes tea |
| 19:16.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | new logo ? |
| 19:16.26 | Patlabor221 | new avatar yes |
| 19:16.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-) |
| 19:16.32 | Jormungandr | it shouldn't. it should do all it's writing to the sql database. |
| 19:16.32 | Patlabor221 | the old one got lost some how |
| 19:16.36 | [TeA|TrEE] | Robot :-) |
| 19:16.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | oh |
| 19:16.42 | Patlabor221 | BIG O |
| 19:16.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | the old wone was cool |
| 19:16.49 | Patlabor221 | it's all about BigO |
| 19:16.59 | Patlabor221 | it was, but I cant find it |
| 19:17.48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm I wonder if I was running a difrent version of mysql on the windows machine |
| 19:18.07 | Patlabor221 | I moved over a test board and it's not a goin |
| 19:19.03 | Jormungandr | same database name as in your config? |
| 19:19.25 | Patlabor221 | I moved the database over too |
| 19:19.28 | Jormungandr | do 'mysql -p bbusername' |
| 19:19.32 | Patlabor221 | tatabase "test" |
| 19:19.37 | Jormungandr | then enter database user password. |
| 19:20.07 | Patlabor221 | oooooooooo I think the old board used a difrent password |
| 19:20.08 | Patlabor221 | hmmm |
| 19:20.10 | Jormungandr | errr |
| 19:20.14 | Jormungandr | sorry |
| 19:20.22 | Jormungandr | do mysql -u bbusername -p |
| 19:20.33 | Jormungandr | yeah. |
| 19:20.35 | Jormungandr | that' do it |
| 19:20.52 | Jormungandr | you may also need to grant bbuser permissions on database, since that's not kept in the database. |
| 19:21.07 | Patlabor221 | tht's what I'm thinking |
| 19:21.27 | Jormungandr | log into mysql as root mysql -u root -p |
| 19:21.28 | Patlabor221 | the pass for the user here is difrent then the pass for the user on the old one was |
| 19:21.33 | Jormungandr | and enter pass. |
| 19:21.51 | Patlabor221 | welll..... that means I have to remember it |
| 19:21.55 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 19:22.01 | Patlabor221 | maybe I can make the bb use the new pass |
| 19:22.23 | Jormungandr | no... pass for root, not for database. |
| 19:22.37 | Jormungandr | either way, you'll want to know what the new password is for bbuser. |
| 19:22.37 | Patlabor221 | sadly the bb was using root :( |
| 19:22.46 | Jormungandr | did you add new user? |
| 19:22.49 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:22.57 | Patlabor221 | it was just using root |
| 19:23.01 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 19:23.02 | Patlabor221 | I'm going to add a new user |
| 19:23.06 | Jormungandr | then it shouldn't need grants. |
| 19:23.06 | Patlabor221 | and change the bb to use that user |
| 19:23.10 | Jormungandr | root can do it all. |
| 19:23.18 | Patlabor221 | the root password on the old machine was difrent |
| 19:23.19 | Jormungandr | okie |
| 19:23.41 | Patlabor221 | so it's trying to do root here with the wrong password for the server |
| 19:23.51 | Patlabor221 | or at least that's my guess |
| 19:24.43 | Patlabor221 | if I wand to move a dir up one level it woudl be mv dir ../ ? |
| 19:26.34 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 19:35.19 | Patlabor221 | hmmm upgrade didn't work, gotta find out where it keeps the pass |
| 19:35.48 | Jormungandr | in bzbb? |
| 19:35.55 | Patlabor221 | in phpbb |
| 19:35.55 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 19:35.59 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 19:36.06 | Jormungandr | my gess? |
| 19:36.09 | Patlabor221 | I'm not changing bzbb now, I'm just trying to move another |
| 19:36.09 | Jormungandr | guess |
| 19:36.21 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 19:36.30 | Jormungandr | look in the web dir |
| 19:36.49 | Jormungandr | config.php or similar |
| 19:38.44 | Patlabor221 | joo are soo smart |
| 19:38.50 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:39.19 | Patlabor221 | now to just re unzip it since I jacked the install by trying to upgrade :) |
| 19:39.27 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 19:40.10 | bzdoug | http://192.168.123.3/phpBB2/index.php |
| 19:40.18 | bzdoug | talk about general stuff!!! |
| 19:40.20 | bzdoug | :P |
| 19:40.28 | Chestal | general who? |
| 19:40.37 | bzdoug | general stuff |
| 19:40.42 | Jormungandr | 192.168? |
| 19:40.52 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: yup yup yup |
| 19:40.57 | bzdoug | Jormungandr: try heck.no-ip.com |
| 19:40.58 | bzdoug | :P |
| 19:41.14 | bzdoug | General Stuff, A. G. |
| 19:41.35 | Patlabor221 | doug and it's non routables |
| 19:41.46 | bzdoug | :P |
| 19:42.33 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:42.48 | Jormungandr | do it with xoops :) |
| 19:42.57 | bzdoug | lol |
| 19:44.07 | Patlabor221 | doug how did you get cygwin to connect to an remote X server? |
| 19:44.31 | Jormungandr | use putty |
| 19:44.45 | Jormungandr | with x forwarding on |
| 19:45.19 | Patlabor221 | ahh ha |
| 19:47.11 | Patlabor221 | and jsut do "x" when I log in? |
| 19:47.16 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 19:47.22 | Jormungandr | what do you want to run? |
| 19:47.26 | Jormungandr | that is X? |
| 19:47.30 | Patlabor221 | emacs |
| 19:47.40 | Jormungandr | are you running local xserver? |
| 19:48.01 | Jormungandr | you running xfree on local machine? |
| 19:48.03 | Patlabor221 | I installed cygwin |
| 19:48.20 | Patlabor221 | like the full blown one |
| 19:48.23 | Jormungandr | cygwin didn't used to have x by default |
| 19:48.23 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9590FA9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:48.29 | Patlabor221 | I turned it on |
| 19:48.43 | Jormungandr | so... you need to start local xserver, it it's not already running. |
| 19:49.01 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 19:49.01 | Jormungandr | then just type "emacs" in remote window |
| 19:49.17 | Jormungandr | if it doesn't come up with x emac, let me know. |
| 19:49.40 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't |
| 19:49.52 | Patlabor221 | or it's just uber slow |
| 19:49.59 | Jormungandr | in remote window, exit emacs and type "set | grep DISPLAY |
| 19:50.02 | Jormungandr | " |
| 19:50.09 | Jormungandr | it may be uber slow |
| 19:50.20 | Patlabor221 | actualy the remote window is just siting there as well |
| 19:50.24 | Patlabor221 | may be realy slow |
| 19:50.40 | Patlabor221 | well how do I save and quit in command line emacs? |
| 19:50.40 | Jormungandr | X can be. |
| 19:50.45 | Patlabor221 | I'll just learn that |
| 19:51.50 | Patlabor221 | proalby good to know anyway |
| 19:52.03 | Jormungandr | not positive.. try escape for meta |
| 19:52.06 | Jormungandr | or alt for meta |
| 19:52.28 | Patlabor221 | well how bout vi? |
| 19:52.31 | Jormungandr | once you get back at a command prompt, let me know. |
| 19:52.35 | Jormungandr | oh.. :q! |
| 19:52.51 | Patlabor221 | I'll use ether of them |
| 19:53.03 | Jormungandr | :q! is quit in vi |
| 19:53.23 | Patlabor221 | and how do I save? |
| 19:53.30 | Jormungandr | well :qs |
| 19:53.34 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 19:53.49 | Patlabor221 | and how do I edit? |
| 19:53.54 | Cell | lol |
| 19:53.56 | Jormungandr | eeek! |
| 19:54.03 | Jormungandr | hang on... |
| 19:54.09 | Patlabor221 | seems I'm in "drive the cursor around mode" :) |
| 19:54.24 | Cell | its horrible |
| 19:54.28 | Jormungandr | i for insert |
| 19:54.31 | Jormungandr | a for appent |
| 19:54.33 | Jormungandr | append |
| 19:54.42 | Jormungandr | escape exits editing mode |
| 19:55.26 | Jormungandr | you interested in a simple vi tutorial if I can find it? |
| 19:55.33 | Jormungandr | it's jsut a document that you edit with vi |
| 19:55.46 | Cell | what makes vi interesting? |
| 19:55.55 | Jormungandr | it's efficient |
| 19:56.00 | Patlabor221 | it's faster then emacs |
| 19:56.07 | Patlabor221 | ok so I hit ":" |
| 19:56.14 | Patlabor221 | then "qs" |
| 19:56.15 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 19:56.17 | Jormungandr | yes |
| 19:56.20 | Jormungandr | then enter |
| 19:56.33 | Patlabor221 | not an editor command qs |
| 19:57.13 | Jormungandr | ack... do :wq |
| 19:57.53 | Patlabor221 | whoot :) |
| 19:58.00 | Patlabor221 | thank you soo much |
| 19:58.08 | Jormungandr | np :) |
| 19:58.16 | Patlabor221 | wow that was rather easy |
| 19:58.50 | Jormungandr | I like unix |
| 19:59.14 | Jormungandr | 2.5 hours left at work |
| 19:59.17 | Jormungandr | today is going fast. |
| 19:59.19 | Patlabor221 | the steps to set it up where realy similar on windows |
| 19:59.26 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 19:59.32 | Jormungandr | oh |
| 19:59.40 | Jormungandr | you at command prompt on remote machine? |
| 19:59.44 | Patlabor221 | just on windows, we had a clicky things |
| 19:59.52 | Patlabor221 | yeah I am |
| 20:00.00 | Jormungandr | set | grep DISPLAY |
| 20:00.19 | Patlabor221 | [root@asgard root]# set | grep DISPLAY |
| 20:00.19 | Patlabor221 | DISPLAY=localhost:11.0 |
| 20:00.19 | Patlabor221 | [root@asgard root]# |
| 20:00.23 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 20:00.28 | Jormungandr | type xterm & |
| 20:00.38 | Jormungandr | see if you get an xterm on local |
| 20:01.32 | Jormungandr | if you don't then the problem is xwindows not running, or not running correctly on local machine. |
| 20:02.00 | Patlabor221 | there we go |
| 20:02.06 | Patlabor221 | it's just SLOW |
| 20:02.08 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:02.14 | Jormungandr | what is your connection ? |
| 20:02.23 | Patlabor221 | it's beeing pissy today |
| 20:02.28 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:02.32 | Patlabor221 | it's a normal DSL |
| 20:02.44 | Jormungandr | so you know how to do x from remote machine. |
| 20:02.47 | Jormungandr | just run xapp |
| 20:02.48 | Patlabor221 | hmmm wonder if I could get it to lanuch kde |
| 20:02.54 | Jormungandr | eeek! |
| 20:03.00 | Patlabor221 | that would kill it wodln't it? :) |
| 20:03.04 | Jormungandr | you probably COULD, but it'd hurt you. |
| 20:03.19 | Jormungandr | KDE is a pig in any environmnent. |
| 20:03.27 | Jormungandr | you can prolly get KDE locally. |
| 20:03.30 | Patlabor221 | I find it faster then gnome |
| 20:03.41 | Patlabor221 | gome is piggy and crashy |
| 20:03.51 | Patlabor221 | the new kde3 is realy slick |
| 20:04.01 | Jormungandr | I might consider something like motif or lesstif or fvwm from remote, but not kde or gnome. |
| 20:04.09 | Patlabor221 | boots in about 1/2 the time of gnome 2.2 |
| 20:04.09 | Jormungandr | unless you were 100mb local segment :) |
| 20:04.13 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 20:04.22 | Jormungandr | I'll have to see if I can find it later. :) |
| 20:04.36 | Patlabor221 | redhat dosn't isntall it by default :( |
| 20:04.48 | Patlabor221 | have to tell it to put it in |
| 20:04.54 | Jormungandr | ah.. I can do that. :) |
| 20:04.56 | Patlabor221 | I also find KDE more cusomtisable |
| 20:05.09 | Jormungandr | I have one thing that I HATE about kde. |
| 20:05.14 | Patlabor221 | gnome 2.2 is very generic |
| 20:05.22 | Jormungandr | highlight a URL and that ANNOYING popup thing comes up. |
| 20:05.31 | Jormungandr | I HATE that. |
| 20:05.42 | Patlabor221 | I think I tuned that of |
| 20:05.50 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 20:05.55 | Jormungandr | I finally figured out how. |
| 20:06.13 | Patlabor221 | I just didn't like that in gnome I had VER few choices |
| 20:06.15 | *** part/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9590FA9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:06.17 | Patlabor221 | on how to set up stuff |
| 20:06.32 | Patlabor221 | I'm trying to make linux as useable for me as posible |
| 20:06.36 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 20:06.47 | Patlabor221 | and I'm sorry you can't write code in a termincal |
| 20:06.54 | Jormungandr | when you are used to windows, then x can be a big drop in functionality. |
| 20:06.55 | Patlabor221 | kdev is rather nice |
| 20:07.10 | Patlabor221 | anjunta is good too, but it seems slow. |
| 20:07.17 | Jormungandr | I use terminal/command line for EVERYTHING. |
| 20:07.37 | Patlabor221 | sure you can use one for everything |
| 20:07.47 | Patlabor221 | but sometimes there are better ways :) |
| 20:07.52 | Patlabor221 | debugin :) |
| 20:08.12 | Patlabor221 | I like the fact that you can do anthing in the term |
| 20:08.13 | Jormungandr | I can handle x for local x apps, but not for remote ones, except terminal. |
| 20:08.20 | Patlabor221 | tht's a lot of power |
| 20:08.24 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:08.37 | Patlabor221 | VNC works decently for me remotely |
| 20:08.39 | Jormungandr | for me, it's just faster than waiting for x to start an app, and display it. |
| 20:08.47 | Patlabor221 | for remote stuff yeah |
| 20:08.59 | Patlabor221 | localy I have x start whith the machine |
| 20:09.02 | Jormungandr | I can add an entire domain and restart named in less than 1 minute with console. |
| 20:09.17 | Jormungandr | where it might take that long to bring up an x display. |
| 20:09.21 | Jormungandr | just an example. |
| 20:09.29 | Jormungandr | same with adding a virtual host. |
| 20:09.32 | Patlabor221 | and fish missiles |
| 20:09.36 | bzdoug | hahaha |
| 20:09.37 | Jormungandr | or adding an ip to the box. |
| 20:09.39 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:09.47 | bzdoug | SHUSI MISSLES! |
| 20:11.12 | Patlabor221 | you have to wait for x to start to play bz :) |
| 20:11.25 | Jormungandr | true |
| 20:11.30 | Jormungandr | and it takes forever |
| 20:11.39 | Jormungandr | redhat starts too much stuff by default. |
| 20:11.49 | Patlabor221 | x on my machine takes less then a min to start |
| 20:12.10 | Jormungandr | Ihave to tweak mine. |
| 20:12.25 | Jormungandr | mine takes about that long, but it's still loading too much crap. |
| 20:13.01 | Patlabor221 | Fiberchunks!!! I summon the..... :) |
| 20:13.42 | Patlabor221 | man spiff was WAY to excited when I fixed his sigpict |
| 20:13.50 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:14.01 | Patlabor221 | I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY |
| 20:14.15 | Patlabor221 | thought he was gonna pee his pants |
| 20:14.32 | Jormungandr | heh. |
| 20:14.37 | Jormungandr | I need a sig for bzbb |
| 20:14.39 | Jormungandr | err |
| 20:14.44 | Jormungandr | sigpict |
| 20:14.48 | Patlabor221 | and I'm like "it's just a file" |
| 20:15.11 | Patlabor221 | he was hosting a bmp on geocities, and wondering why noone could see it. |
| 20:15.18 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 20:17.03 | Jormungandr | I'm testing spam assassin today. |
| 20:17.13 | Jormungandr | installed and seeing if it catches stuff. |
| 20:18.24 | Patlabor221 | LOL word wants to change ragnarok to kangaroo |
| 20:18.52 | [dmp] | :) |
| 20:19.50 | Patlabor221 | they are |
| 20:20.10 | Jormungandr | since they come from same mythos as my chosen nick(s) :) |
| 20:20.27 | Jormungandr | nidhoggr and jormungandr |
| 20:20.41 | Patlabor221 | and stargate SG1, and this realy wierd anime :) |
| 20:21.08 | Patlabor221 | and the old days of subspace |
| 20:21.15 | bzdoug | lol |
| 20:21.51 | Patlabor221 | jorm, would the runlevel 5 thing, be why the web server is less then peppy? |
| 20:22.00 | Jormungandr | possible. |
| 20:22.07 | Patlabor221 | what should it be running in? |
| 20:22.11 | bzdoug | 1 |
| 20:22.12 | bzdoug | :P |
| 20:22.14 | Jormungandr | you using that thing for just server? |
| 20:22.16 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 20:22.28 | Patlabor221 | I use nuku-nuku for dev and stuff |
| 20:22.28 | Jormungandr | runlevel 3 (no x)... but.... |
| 20:22.47 | Jormungandr | if you do, you need to make changes to the rc.d/rc3.d dir |
| 20:22.59 | Jormungandr | and you need to change default runlevel in /etc/inittab |
| 20:23.05 | Patlabor221 | I have the same phpbb on a win and lin server and the win is a LOT faster |
| 20:23.18 | Jormungandr | how much RAM in machine? |
| 20:23.28 | Patlabor221 | ether 512 or 256 |
| 20:23.33 | Patlabor221 | don't recall |
| 20:23.48 | Patlabor221 | I can pack it with ram |
| 20:23.50 | Jormungandr | you should use runlevel 3 then if you have server stuff only on that machine. |
| 20:23.55 | Patlabor221 | it's only a P3 450 tho |
| 20:24.06 | Jormungandr | should be fast enough for web |
| 20:24.12 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 20:24.32 | Jormungandr | oh, and avoid using "init 3". change runlevel in inittab and reboot. |
| 20:24.49 | Jormungandr | id:3:initdefault: |
| 20:24.54 | Jormungandr | but |
| 20:25.13 | Jormungandr | don't forget to rename K##mysqld to S##mysqld and the httpd one, too. |
| 20:25.36 | Jormungandr | okay |
| 20:25.49 | Jormungandr | go to /etc/rc.d/rc3.d |
| 20:27.01 | Jormungandr | mv K15httpd S15httpd |
| 20:27.26 | Jormungandr | mv K12mysqld S12mysqld |
| 20:27.38 | Jormungandr | case is important |
| 20:28.56 | Jormungandr | what this dir says is that anything that starts with a K should be killed when switching to runlevel 3. anything with an S should be started when switching to runlevel 3. |
| 20:29.19 | Patlabor221 | ok done |
| 20:29.26 | Patlabor221 | how do I restart it? |
| 20:29.30 | Patlabor221 | remotely? |
| 20:29.33 | Jormungandr | now edit /etc/inittab |
| 20:29.37 | Jormungandr | or did you already? |
| 20:29.41 | Patlabor221 | no not yet |
| 20:29.47 | Jormungandr | do that. |
| 20:29.54 | Jormungandr | id:3:initdefault: |
| 20:30.04 | Jormungandr | instead of :5: |
| 20:30.44 | Patlabor221 | :wq to save? |
| 20:30.47 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:30.58 | Jormungandr | shutdown -r now (to reboot) |
| 20:31.49 | Patlabor221 | still wierd that there is a machine at the other end of town rebooting now :) |
| 20:31.56 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:32.55 | Jormungandr | you also might want to look at that dir in the future to see what has K in the name that you might want to be starting. |
| 20:33.16 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 20:33.17 | Jormungandr | or what has S that you don't want running. |
| 20:34.58 | Jormungandr | brb. |
| 20:35.51 | Patlabor221 | there they both run about the same speed now. |
| 20:42.07 | stibnite | hrm, can i get a hand testing bzflag.allaboutuptime.net ? |
| 20:42.15 | stibnite | i think i may have fixed the problem |
| 20:42.32 | Jormungandr | stib, if I was at home, I'd be on it :) |
| 20:42.40 | Jormungandr | I like that map. |
| 20:42.43 | stibnite | hehe, ty |
| 20:42.57 | stibnite | i think it was my failure to use -i |
| 20:42.59 | Jormungandr | I am considering having a CTF map contest. |
| 20:43.03 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 20:43.38 | Jormungandr | you have more than 1 interface on their? |
| 20:43.45 | stibnite | i have a /27 |
| 20:43.52 | Jormungandr | on 1 box? |
| 20:43.58 | stibnite | yeah |
| 20:44.05 | Jormungandr | that MIGHT do it. |
| 20:44.10 | stibnite | lol |
| 20:44.12 | stibnite | i know |
| 20:44.14 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:44.33 | stibnite | revdns will get rid of the (UNKNOWN) in server messages, right? |
| 20:45.13 | Jormungandr | not sure. I get them intermittently. |
| 20:45.33 | Jormungandr | and I don't have rdns on bzflag.secretplace.us, but I do on dragon.org. |
| 20:45.44 | Jormungandr | don't remember if I get them on dragon.org |
| 20:45.57 | Jormungandr | I found out something a while ago... |
| 20:46.08 | stibnite | allaboutuptime plays so much smoother than hashmark |
| 20:46.12 | stibnite | and it's twice as far away |
| 20:46.41 | Jormungandr | multiple IPs on a machine work best, and most efficiently with web stuff. I've had nothing but troubles getting it to work properly with other services. |
| 20:47.03 | Jormungandr | and I do a LOT of server configs with my job. |
| 20:47.06 | stibnite | sometimes it takes a lot of recompiling |
| 20:47.09 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 20:47.13 | Jormungandr | too much crazy! |
| 20:47.30 | stibnite | no way around it, unfortunately, with the cost per U of colocation |
| 20:47.44 | stibnite | well, there's jail() |
| 20:47.52 | Jormungandr | yeah |
| 20:48.07 | stibnite | but some things hate that. |
| 20:48.19 | Jormungandr | I run my bzflag in a chrooted dir. |
| 20:48.22 | Jormungandr | bzfs, that is |
| 20:48.47 | Jormungandr | can't take any chances, re:security. |
| 20:49.25 | Chestal | have rarely been using chroot |
| 20:49.35 | Jormungandr | hi chestal |
| 20:49.41 | Chestal | what happens to open files when you call chroot()? |
| 20:50.12 | Jormungandr | I'd have to do an lsof, and see if anything is left open. |
| 20:50.24 | Jormungandr | it's still fairly hard to breech the new root. |
| 20:50.28 | Chestal | I'm just wondering, I guess they keep working? |
| 20:51.05 | Jormungandr | it took a bit to set up, but I feel a little safer, at least. |
| 20:51.38 | Jormungandr | my smtpd program also operates in chrooted environment. |
| 20:51.41 | stibnite | chroot doesn't help with the networked stuff though |
| 20:51.53 | Jormungandr | no... but it will help with machine security. |
| 20:52.18 | stibnite | yeah, i use it when a daemon needs multiple iface access |
| 20:52.24 | Jormungandr | the sad thing is that anyone with half a clue can breach probably a good half of the linux boxen out there. |
| 20:52.33 | stibnite | and it works |
| 20:52.38 | Jormungandr | because people just aren't security conscious. |
| 20:52.38 | stibnite | allaboutuptime she works |
| 20:52.44 | Jormungandr | yay! |
| 20:52.53 | stibnite | hehe so i run bsd :) |
| 20:53.08 | Jormungandr | not totally immune, but a lot better. :) |
| 20:53.36 | Chestal | well, my linux box doesn't have many servcies, essentially, it's only sshd |
| 20:53.49 | Chestal | of course I run lots of networking clients (as a user) |
| 20:54.02 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:54.33 | Jormungandr | your biggest dangers are those people who don't change the default services that start when you install.. things like rpc.* and similar. |
| 20:55.55 | stibnite | not only are those not enabled |
| 20:55.58 | stibnite | they don't exist |
| 20:56.04 | Jormungandr | yay! |
| 20:56.06 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:56.20 | stibnite | you should see how paranoid my chroot envs are |
| 20:56.23 | Chestal | a debian default install is quite secure |
| 20:56.39 | Chestal | simply because there aren't an abudnance of services running |
| 20:56.45 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 20:57.01 | Jormungandr | debian is on the better end of the scale, for sure. |
| 20:57.43 | bzdoug | bah |
| 20:57.47 | bzdoug | er |
| 20:57.49 | bzdoug | hah |
| 21:11.36 | Patlabor221 | jorm one more question for you |
| 21:12.11 | Patlabor221 | if I go to http://asgard.bakadigital.com/bb/ it works but if I do asgard.bakadigital.com/bb it dosn't |
| 21:14.53 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 21:14.58 | Jormungandr | anything in error logs? |
| 21:15.15 | Jormungandr | and what does it say when it fails? |
| 21:15.52 | Patlabor221 | tries to direct met o |
| 21:15.54 | Patlabor221 | me to |
| 21:15.55 | Patlabor221 | http://_default_/bb/ |
| 21:16.02 | Patlabor221 | and that can't be found |
| 21:17.26 | Patlabor221 | the server must not know it's domain |
| 21:17.28 | Jormungandr | it's got to be an error in the php in that dir, is my guess. |
| 21:17.42 | Patlabor221 | I shall look |
| 21:17.49 | Jormungandr | oh... ummmmm.... do you have a ServerName directive in httpd.conf? |
| 21:18.02 | Patlabor221 | that is what I will look for |
| 21:18.06 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:19.43 | Patlabor221 | hmm yes I do |
| 21:19.56 | Jormungandr | what does it say? |
| 21:20.05 | Patlabor221 | ServerName asgard.bakadigital.com |
| 21:20.11 | Patlabor221 | and UseCanonicalName on |
| 21:21.07 | Jormungandr | cd to your web html dir. grep -r _default_ * |
| 21:21.48 | Patlabor221 | it's the server name for the virtual host |
| 21:21.55 | Patlabor221 | in the config |
| 21:22.10 | Jormungandr | you using the virtual host? |
| 21:22.17 | Patlabor221 | I didn't think I was |
| 21:22.22 | Patlabor221 | I only have 1 site |
| 21:22.26 | Patlabor221 | but it looks like I am |
| 21:22.27 | Jormungandr | comment out all the vhost stuff then. |
| 21:22.32 | Patlabor221 | I didn't recall setting one up |
| 21:22.37 | Patlabor221 | what is a cooment # ? |
| 21:22.42 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 21:22.43 | Jormungandr | ! |
| 21:22.44 | Jormungandr | # |
| 21:22.45 | Jormungandr | sorry |
| 21:22.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:22.49 | Jormungandr | fat figers |
| 21:22.52 | Jormungandr | fingers even |
| 21:22.54 | Patlabor221 | oo these altiods sour candys are good! :) |
| 21:23.05 | Jormungandr | then apachectl graceful |
| 21:23.18 | Jormungandr | I love the regular altoid mints |
| 21:23.26 | Jormungandr | haven't tried sour things. |
| 21:23.53 | Patlabor221 | the tangerene sours = realy good |
| 21:24.04 | Jormungandr | that does sound good. |
| 21:24.09 | Jormungandr | I love citrus |
| 21:24.24 | Jormungandr | I use probably a dozen lemons every few weeks when I cook. |
| 21:24.45 | Patlabor221 | there are lime ones too |
| 21:24.48 | Patlabor221 | but they are bit bitter |
| 21:24.50 | Jormungandr | ooh |
| 21:25.10 | Jormungandr | yeah... probably a little rindy flavored |
| 21:26.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah somewhat |
| 21:26.07 | Patlabor221 | that did it, thanks |
| 21:26.12 | Jormungandr | looks like that fixed it (virtual host thing) |
| 21:26.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:26.23 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:26.42 | Jormungandr | you can usually find almost any problem with grep if you know what to look for. |
| 21:26.46 | Patlabor221 | I don't think I need to do virtual hosts right now, i"ll just make people remeber folders :) |
| 21:26.59 | Patlabor221 | it's that knowing what to look for part |
| 21:27.07 | Jormungandr | virtual hosts are a good idea at some point. |
| 21:27.20 | Jormungandr | just because you can do so much with 1 ip number. |
| 21:27.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah, I don't feel like regestring more domains tho :) |
| 21:27.49 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:28.09 | Jormungandr | I have enough for now, too. I need to start working on HipSpot.com |
| 21:28.18 | bzdoug | haha |
| 21:28.26 | Jormungandr | err hipspot.net |
| 21:29.26 | Patlabor221 | sounds rather hip |
| 21:29.34 | Jormungandr | gunna make a portal site for the Danger HipTop/T-Mo SideKick |
| 21:32.13 | bzdoug | hiptip? |
| 21:32.19 | bzdoug | ooh |
| 21:32.20 | bzdoug | I remember |
| 21:32.26 | bzdoug | you can do AIM over it |
| 21:32.26 | bzdoug | :) |
| 21:32.34 | Patlabor221 | danger hip, sounds like something an old spy whould have. |
| 21:32.45 | bzdoug | its a name |
| 21:32.48 | bzdoug | Danger Hip |
| 21:32.54 | bzdoug | code name |
| 21:32.58 | Patlabor221 | for? |
| 21:33.05 | bzdoug | movie |
| 21:33.08 | bzdoug | book |
| 21:33.14 | Patlabor221 | then how do you know it's a name baka? |
| 21:34.50 | Jormungandr | danger HipTop :) |
| 21:34.56 | Jormungandr | www.danger.com/products/ |
| 21:34.57 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:35.14 | bzdoug | my name is hip... danger hip.. |
| 21:35.18 | Patlabor221 | wow ton of bad links there |
| 21:35.31 | Patlabor221 | like all the images |
| 21:35.35 | Jormungandr | haven't looked recently. |
| 21:35.39 | bzdoug | hehe |
| 21:36.09 | Jormungandr | try products.php |
| 21:36.13 | Jormungandr | they changed their pages around. |
| 21:36.16 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: nifty :) |
| 21:36.29 | captain_proton | one of my coworkers has a hiptop - he hooked it up to the moo we use for out-of-office comm |
| 21:36.50 | Jormungandr | I had cell phone for 40 bucks/mo and pager for 25 and web services for pager for 25... I consolidate all to one device and pay 60/mo |
| 21:37.03 | Patlabor221 | that is kinda coo |
| 21:37.15 | Jormungandr | how did he hook it to moo? aim2mud.pl? |
| 21:37.50 | Jormungandr | also.. there has been special on amazon.. if you buy one there, the rebates make the cost 0 |
| 21:38.23 | Jormungandr | I blog with mine when I remember... complete with pics. |
| 21:38.23 | Patlabor221 | it's got a cam in it too? |
| 21:38.29 | Jormungandr | www.dragon.org/mandrake/blog |
| 21:38.33 | Jormungandr | yup |
| 21:38.45 | Jormungandr | it's a plug-in device into earphone jack. |
| 21:39.09 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~Cell@pD9590FA9.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:39.38 | Jormungandr | the camera attaches to my keychain. |
| 21:39.39 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:39.43 | Jormungandr | is small. |
| 21:39.49 | Patlabor221 | no I mean the entire thing |
| 21:39.57 | Patlabor221 | can they implant it in my arm? |
| 21:40.03 | Jormungandr | it's not too easy to loose. |
| 21:40.09 | Jormungandr | you loose cell phones easily? |
| 21:40.11 | Patlabor221 | you don't know me |
| 21:40.14 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:40.20 | Patlabor221 | usualy forget them |
| 21:40.20 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:40.23 | Jormungandr | eek! |
| 21:40.27 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:40.47 | Jormungandr | the camera is kinda artsy in a spy-cam sorta way. |
| 21:41.01 | Patlabor221 | serioudly put it in my arm, there has to be plently of room in there. |
| 21:41.26 | Patlabor221 | or a glove or gauntlet |
| 21:41.43 | Patlabor221 | with open fingers |
| 21:41.49 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:42.14 | Jormungandr | they'll get there.. this is verion 1 of the device. |
| 21:42.37 | Patlabor221 | hmm put the screen on the back of your hand |
| 21:42.52 | Jormungandr | I like having AIM and email (3 pop accounts and tmail.com email), and a non-wap web browser. |
| 21:43.32 | captain_proton | wap is kind of dead |
| 21:44.03 | Patlabor221 | hmm says around here the plan is only $39.99 a month |
| 21:44.48 | Patlabor221 | ahh I see less phone time |
| 21:46.14 | jraitala | hello |
| 21:47.47 | Jormungandr | they have 2 plans :) |
| 21:48.20 | Jormungandr | hi jraitala |
| 21:48.37 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: hey, if you wanna remove the 2 test forums I put up for bzcops, go right ahead (or I can do it) -- I like the server::policing forum |
| 21:48.40 | Jormungandr | I'm not either, but when something big happens with work, etc., I can be. |
| 21:48.56 | fiberchunks | afternoon, by the way |
| 21:48.58 | Jormungandr | hi fiberchunks |
| 21:49.08 | Jormungandr | hey, I helped! ;) |
| 21:49.11 | Patlabor221 | ohh fiber I like the cop ones for just the cops |
| 21:49.14 | Patlabor221 | private |
| 21:49.19 | Patlabor221 | and hello |
| 21:49.23 | fiberchunks | ah, good enough |
| 21:49.49 | Patlabor221 | this gives the masses a place to bitch about the facist pigdogs in power :) |
| 21:49.50 | fiberchunks | read your PM, I think using 2.0.4 would be a better solution |
| 21:49.56 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 21:50.02 | Patlabor221 | you want to upgrade? |
| 21:50.04 | fiberchunks | than sticking with 2.0.3 |
| 21:50.15 | Patlabor221 | I thought you said it would be a pain |
| 21:50.16 | fiberchunks | might as well -- I / we can always remod the forum if necessary |
| 21:50.27 | Patlabor221 | well I have one of each running there |
| 21:50.31 | fiberchunks | we'll just lose the mods -- nothing major really |
| 21:50.38 | Patlabor221 | a 2.0.3 and a 2.0.4 |
| 21:50.55 | fiberchunks | cept for some small stuff like the clickable icons and such (the other stuff is template tweaking anyway |
| 21:51.34 | Patlabor221 | well, then I just put a 2.0.4 on there, and we copy the theme, smileys, and avatars then? |
| 21:51.42 | Patlabor221 | then pop in the database and config file? |
| 21:52.06 | fiberchunks | yeah, or just make a smiley pack and reinstall it fresh (which may be a better idea anywho -- just for cleanness sake) |
| 21:52.15 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 21:52.19 | Patlabor221 | you know more about this then I |
| 21:52.34 | Patlabor221 | but this does show that phpbb does work on apache 2 :) |
| 21:52.48 | fiberchunks | right -- gimme little bit to think about least painful way to do this |
| 21:52.56 | Patlabor221 | no prob |
| 21:53.01 | fiberchunks | oh, you didn't downgrade? |
| 21:53.04 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:53.06 | Patlabor221 | worked fine |
| 21:53.10 | fiberchunks | what version of php you using? |
| 21:53.12 | Patlabor221 | it's all clean |
| 21:53.33 | Patlabor221 | what ever redhat has as it's current |
| 21:54.13 | Jormungandr | oooh.. I logged on to bzbb with my hiptop :) |
| 21:54.16 | Jormungandr | and it worked! |
| 21:54.25 | Patlabor221 | but both 2.0.3 and 2.0.4 seem to work fine |
| 21:54.25 | fiberchunks | well that's pretty damn cool then :) |
| 21:55.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 21:55.15 | Jormungandr | still no responses about compiling linux bzedit on rh 8 :( |
| 21:55.17 | fiberchunks | you do all the security updates and what not? |
| 21:55.25 | Patlabor221 | yes I did them all |
| 21:55.28 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 21:55.44 | Patlabor221 | I don't think cap has rh8, he's a roll your own kinda guy |
| 21:55.58 | fiberchunks | when I get done painting my duplex I'll mail you about how I've got everything set up permissions wise |
| 21:56.12 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 21:56.28 | fiberchunks | I'm watching imposter right now -- pretty good show |
| 21:58.13 | Patlabor221 | cap he put a bug in |
| 21:58.29 | Patlabor221 | onn no he put an item in bzbb |
| 21:58.32 | Patlabor221 | in bzedit |
| 21:58.41 | captain_proton | k |
| 21:58.45 | Patlabor221 | you reember bzedit don't you cap? :) |
| 21:59.27 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: please post the errors you're getting |
| 21:59.49 | captain_proton | can you attach files to bzbb? |
| 21:59.57 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:59.59 | Patlabor221 | just links |
| 22:00.16 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: please open a bug on sf with your config.log attached |
| 22:00.26 | fiberchunks | no you can't, but there is a mod for doing it which I've been thinking about for sometime now -- |
| 22:00.44 | Patlabor221 | how large is the bzbb database now? |
| 22:00.49 | Jormungandr | in bzflag sf area, or does bzedit have it's own? |
| 22:01.01 | fiberchunks | 4 some meg or so |
| 22:01.05 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: bzflag sf area, there should be a category for bzedit bugs |
| 22:01.12 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 22:01.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's it |
| 22:01.17 | Jormungandr | I'll do that when I get home, then. |
| 22:01.30 | captain_proton | 4mb? hah |
| 22:01.33 | Patlabor221 | asgard has like 7 gigs free, so we should be ok :) |
| 22:01.33 | fiberchunks | yah -- it's pretty well optimized |
| 22:01.40 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 22:01.49 | Patlabor221 | of what cap? |
| 22:01.51 | captain_proton | and thats only from the last 3 weeks ;) |
| 22:02.01 | captain_proton | monitoring data from our wireless network |
| 22:02.06 | fiberchunks | even the phpbb.com dbase is only around 400 MB iirc |
| 22:02.09 | Patlabor221 | well that is a little difrent |
| 22:02.22 | Patlabor221 | have fun man |
| 22:02.46 | Patlabor221 | asgard will most likely host 3 phpps, but I don't think it will be an issue |
| 22:03.12 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm to keep the URL the same I'm gonna have to put bzbb on the root |
| 22:03.25 | Patlabor221 | or do a virtualhost |
| 22:03.41 | Jormungandr | do virtual hosts now, before you are forced to and have to do tons of work to move stuff around. |
| 22:03.59 | fiberchunks | or I can simply move the ip on my dyndns.org signup |
| 22:04.01 | Patlabor221 | so I uncomment out that stuff? |
| 22:04.17 | Patlabor221 | fiber that would still point it to the root of my IP |
| 22:04.18 | Jormungandr | no... you need to do a near total reconfig first. |
| 22:04.32 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 22:04.36 | Patlabor221 | well crap |
| 22:04.42 | fiberchunks | I can send you my vhosts file as an example if you want |
| 22:04.46 | Jormungandr | just taking out ServerName, so it doesn't catch it. |
| 22:04.50 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 22:04.58 | Jormungandr | things like that. |
| 22:05.00 | Patlabor221 | I see |
| 22:05.13 | Jormungandr | because you'll have servername in the virtual host entry. |
| 22:05.27 | Jormungandr | you don't want conflicting entries. |
| 22:05.30 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 22:05.35 | Jormungandr | which is why you got the _default_ thing |
| 22:06.04 | Patlabor221 | well I'll work that thing out tomrow then |
| 22:06.37 | Jormungandr | you can change ServerName to something like services.bakadigital.com or something like that, and put blank page there. |
| 22:06.52 | Patlabor221 | and I can have multiple sub domains point to the same vhost? |
| 22:07.01 | Patlabor221 | or www :) |
| 22:07.05 | Jormungandr | then use namevirtualhost and virtualhost settings |
| 22:07.12 | Jormungandr | yes.. you can use ServerAlias |
| 22:07.23 | Jormungandr | in vhost section |
| 22:08.11 | Jormungandr | like.... |
| 22:08.12 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.13 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:08.34 | Patlabor221 | ahh |
| 22:08.39 | Patlabor221 | seems to make sense |
| 22:09.39 | Patlabor221 | then I'll make a subdomain for each board, and then we can point bzbb.homelinux.org there too, and I just add it as an alias. |
| 22:09.54 | Jormungandr | did runlevel 3 help speed? |
| 22:10.12 | Patlabor221 | yes it's about the same speed as the windows machine now |
| 22:10.15 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 22:10.26 | Jormungandr | it's a ram thing in that case... since x isn't really doing anything. |
| 22:10.33 | Jormungandr | it's swapping. |
| 22:10.57 | Patlabor221 | the windows machine is on a faster system, with faster ram, and faster drives, et all.. |
| 22:11.03 | Patlabor221 | so it's fine |
| 22:11.07 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:11.31 | Patlabor221 | the win machine has nice scsi drives |
| 22:11.36 | Patlabor221 | and a 133 fsb |
| 22:11.36 | Jormungandr | if you guys need any server resources for bz projects, let me know. |
| 22:11.43 | Jormungandr | coolo |
| 22:11.52 | Patlabor221 | another cvs server :) |
| 22:11.55 | Jormungandr | ~bzflist |
| 22:12.02 | Jormungandr | would it get used? |
| 22:12.11 | Patlabor221 | could put maps in it |
| 22:12.14 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:12.18 | Patlabor221 | and I wold put bzflag zero in it |
| 22:12.22 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 22:12.34 | Jormungandr | let me look at the specifics of what it takes to make it go. |
| 22:12.43 | Jormungandr | should be doable. |
| 22:12.44 | Patlabor221 | it would be cool if there was a way to auto mirror the SF database |
| 22:12.53 | Jormungandr | yes, it would. |
| 22:12.59 | Patlabor221 | so if it was down at least people could get code |
| 22:13.06 | Jormungandr | true. |
| 22:13.25 | Jormungandr | I could keep a local repository and script an update every few hours. |
| 22:13.49 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:14.01 | Patlabor221 | and not allow check ins to that repository |
| 22:14.10 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:14.20 | Jormungandr | except from the updater. |
| 22:14.37 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:15.51 | Jormungandr | I'd like to play with one of the new version control systems. |
| 22:16.02 | Patlabor221 | subversion is nice |
| 22:17.04 | Jormungandr | I think I am invisible on bzbb. I'da thought someone'd at least say "hi, welcome" or something. then again, it's slowed down a bit recently. |
| 22:17.28 | Jormungandr | I'll see if I can look at subversion when I get home. |
| 22:17.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah there are only like 4 people who realy post. |
| 22:17.40 | fiberchunks | hrm? |
| 22:17.52 | Jormungandr | just whining, fiber. |
| 22:18.03 | fiberchunks | o you mean posting wise |
| 22:18.06 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:18.08 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:18.32 | fiberchunks | don't scare me like that ;) |
| 22:18.47 | Jormungandr | I posted server announce, admin announce, and question in bzedit thing, and got 0 responses so far. :) just slow stuff. |
| 22:19.42 | Jormungandr | I get to go home in 10m YAY! |
| 22:19.59 | stibnite | fibah |
| 22:20.10 | stibnite | the new server of which i spoke weeks ago |
| 22:20.12 | stibnite | she is up |
| 22:20.19 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think you can go be creeperz new friend :) |
| 22:20.36 | fiberchunks | my lizard is agitated |
| 22:20.55 | Jormungandr | what's wrong with mr. lizard? |
| 22:20.55 | Patlabor221 | hmmmm I must get both bbs I admin to use yellow for new messages, I have trained myseslf to look for it ;) |
| 22:21.19 | fiberchunks | cold in his cage |
| 22:21.21 | fiberchunks | :( |
| 22:21.31 | Patlabor221 | heater |
| 22:21.31 | Jormungandr | po po lizard :( |
| 22:21.54 | fiberchunks | heaters are up -- but it's real cold here in the NE |
| 22:21.54 | Jormungandr | get him a heat rock |
| 22:21.58 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 22:22.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl6x161.chesco.com) |
| 22:22.09 | fiberchunks | no rocks -- bad for iguanae |
| 22:22.11 | Chestal | hi MAC |
| 22:22.12 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 22:22.16 | Jormungandr | hi MAC |
| 22:23.43 | Patlabor221 | sup macinator |
| 22:23.53 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 22:24.08 | Chestal | where's the dog? |
| 22:24.34 | Patlabor221 | there is no dog |
| 22:24.57 | Chestal | but I just heard one barking in here :-) |
| 22:25.05 | Patlabor221 | it was the wind |
| 22:25.42 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/annie_cory.jpg |
| 22:26.03 | Chestal | there they are |
| 22:26.23 | Patlabor221 | awwww fuppies |
| 22:26.47 | MrApathyCream | poopies |
| 22:26.57 | Patlabor221 | I'm sure that too |
| 22:27.13 | Patlabor221 | friend of mine's fiance raises rabits in there house |
| 22:27.17 | Patlabor221 | they have lots of poo |
| 22:28.33 | Jormungandr | I'm slowly logging out of stuff at work so I can go home ;) |
| 22:28.39 | bzdoug | lol |
| 22:29.40 | Jormungandr | it's sad.. I'm WAITING for spam, to see if spam assassin catches it. first time I ever WANTED spam. |
| 22:30.02 | MrApathyCream | spamassassin works pretty well, me thinks |
| 22:30.10 | MrApathyCream | my isp uses it |
| 22:30.13 | Jormungandr | I hope so :) |
| 22:30.34 | MrApathyCream | it has is slightly too lenient, but better than the other way |
| 22:31.01 | Jormungandr | yeah... you can also tighten the scores. |
| 22:31.16 | Jormungandr | so that it boots spam with lower threshold |
| 22:31.16 | Chestal | MAC: would be nice if Tim, you and me would meet one day |
| 22:31.21 | Chestal | havent' managed that for about 3 weeks |
| 22:31.22 | fiberchunks | can anyone tell me why all the movie channels now play movies that are at least 4 years old - over and over and over and over again? |
| 22:31.30 | MrApathyCream | I think we're all free May 23 |
| 22:31.31 | Jormungandr | okie... going home. back later. |
| 22:31.33 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 22:31.34 | Jormungandr | & |
| 22:32.29 | Chestal | tapo: aber du machst das doch so toll |
| 22:32.31 | Chestal | oops |
| 22:32.53 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:33.31 | MrApathyCream | "but you make nevertheless so mad " |
| 22:34.34 | Chestal | MAC: know of any open issues? I know 1.5 (countdown (yes still :), and flag toggle in 3D) |
| 22:35.05 | MrApathyCream | i have no burning issues |
| 22:35.34 | MrApathyCream | what could possibly the value of this: const int udpBufSize = 128000; |
| 22:35.41 | Chestal | is everythign in the man pages? |
| 22:35.52 | Chestal | is it used? |
| 22:36.02 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr: has taken over complete control of the man pages, right Jormungandr? :) |
| 22:36.11 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: in setsocketopt |
| 22:36.13 | MrApathyCream | bzfs |
| 22:36.39 | MrApathyCream | i guess negotiation causes the value to change to the max |
| 22:37.42 | Chestal | hmm, I'm not even sure what it does exactly |
| 22:37.42 | MrApathyCream | no one likes a grammatically incorrect assassin |
| 22:38.50 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: i guess it just causes the buffer size to be set to the max |
| 22:38.54 | Chestal | the UDP protocol was prepared to do more than it does anyway |
| 22:39.07 | Chestal | there are some code pieces which indicate a send queue, but queue size is always 1 |
| 22:39.12 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 22:39.20 | Chestal | yes, but what exactly is this buffer and what happens when it is full? |
| 22:39.43 | MrApathyCream | internal socket buffers i guess |
| 22:40.12 | bzdoug | MrApathyCream: hmm |
| 22:42.33 | Chestal | MAC:Tim added some socket debug output lately, maybe he wants to track down the lost slots bug |
| 22:42.45 | Chestal | I'm logging, too, but I am not even sure if I've lost one slot yet |
| 22:42.48 | MrApathyCream | saw that.. haven't heard anything |
| 22:43.15 | MrApathyCream | i'm relatively sure next version will fix it by accident, and since it's better than g0, i don't see it as so pressing |
| 22:43.18 | Chestal | ah, btw., reagarding speeding kicks: |
| 22:43.20 | Chestal | kicking Player ' [2]: tank too fast (tank: 25.418988, allowed: 25.000000) |
| 22:43.36 | Chestal | not sure if this was an unmodified client or not |
| 22:43.38 | MrApathyCream | someone on xmission complained about being kicked whenever (V) was picked |
| 22:43.47 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:44.02 | Chestal | my servers currently have no super flags, but when I had some on 5155 it seemed to work |
| 22:44.30 | MrApathyCream | does client know it has (V) before message is sent back from server saying 'flag grabbed' ? |
| 22:45.01 | Chestal | shouldn't |
| 22:45.02 | MrApathyCream | i think not |
| 22:45.05 | MrApathyCream | yeah |
| 22:45.20 | Patlabor221 | Mac I think as non release punishment you should check in the GeoMissile |
| 22:45.22 | Chestal | picking up a flag should be safe |
| 22:45.26 | Chestal | dropping might be more dangerous |
| 22:45.49 | Patlabor221 | what about a mid air drop, would you not slow down till you landed? |
| 22:45.50 | MrApathyCream | yes but then you're going slower |
| 22:45.53 | Chestal | remember, that each checkin resets the test period which takes 2 weeks :-) |
| 22:46.16 | Chestal | Pat: yes, but curent code handles that |
| 22:46.17 | MrApathyCream | that'll teach you |
| 22:46.33 | Patlabor221 | ahh good |
| 22:46.49 | Chestal | I still think the checks are a hack, but should be ok for now |
| 22:47.08 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: did tim ever say anything official about GeoM? |
| 22:47.31 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: yes, hack-ish, but i fear it will never be able to get better |
| 22:48.08 | Chestal | I think this asynchronicity of the developers really hurts |
| 22:48.19 | Chestal | maybe we should make use the the mailing lists? |
| 22:48.28 | MrApathyCream | maybe |
| 22:48.50 | MrApathyCream | or perhaps you could put us up for a few weeks on your estate, for a fine german vacation? |
| 22:49.18 | Chestal | this tiem of the year,it's usually cold and grey and wet here |
| 22:49.30 | MrApathyCream | 24" of snow coming today, here |
| 22:49.47 | MrApathyCream | maybe we should visit Patlabor221 |
| 22:50.48 | Chestal | or Widget |
| 22:51.18 | MrApathyCream | After spending time roaming, the concept of server controlled state seems to be a faint possibility |
| 22:51.24 | Chestal | the 1st International BZFlag Symposium in New Zealand |
| 22:51.29 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:51.41 | MrApathyCream | New BZealand |
| 22:51.42 | Chestal | might even get my univeristy to pay the flight ;-) |
| 22:52.25 | Chestal | I heard we'll use all the hyped technology in next version? |
| 22:52.30 | Chestal | make bzfs a web service? |
| 22:52.39 | MrApathyCream | bz thru soap |
| 22:52.42 | Chestal | yep |
| 22:52.57 | Chestal | it might turn from an action gameinto a strategy game this way, though |
| 22:53.01 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:53.12 | MrApathyCream | text adventure |
| 22:53.17 | Chestal | I propose SOAP over SMTP |
| 22:53.36 | Chestal | > move forward |
| 22:53.49 | Patlabor221 | it's kinda coudy and rainy hee too |
| 22:53.50 | MrApathyCream | > you were eaten by a grue (rogue) |
| 22:53.54 | Patlabor221 | tho it's kinda nice |
| 22:54.08 | Patlabor221 | most people think it's "cold" |
| 22:54.15 | MrApathyCream | softees |
| 22:54.22 | MrApathyCream | it's 8 here |
| 22:54.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's like 75 :) |
| 22:54.27 | Chestal | Pat: where are you? |
| 22:54.39 | Patlabor221 | southern california |
| 22:55.19 | Chestal | ahm,only scratched california once, was in death valley |
| 22:55.43 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221 is wetter |
| 22:55.48 | MrApathyCream | (west) |
| 22:56.08 | Patlabor221 | about an hour north and west of LA |
| 22:56.44 | Patlabor221 | right here |
| 22:56.45 | Patlabor221 | http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&address=commerce+ave&city=Moorpark&state=ca&zipcode=93021&homesubmit=Get+Map |
| 22:57.20 | Patlabor221 | if you have a aim or netscape ID, you can see the aireal photo too, it's kinda cool |
| 22:58.04 | fiberchunks | wooohooo, we're supposed to get a whole bunch of snow tonight / tomorrow |
| 22:58.22 | MrApathyCream | we wasted it on a holiday |
| 22:59.51 | MrApathyCream | (Dubya-day) |
| 23:01.00 | Chestal | it's Monday now |
| 23:01.32 | Chestal | I'm suspicious, my supervisor didn't contact me for some weeks |
| 23:01.59 | Chestal | wow, the radiator is heating up |
| 23:11.11 | jraitala | hello |
| 23:14.58 | MrApathyCream | heya |
| 23:24.15 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:24.26 | MrApathyCream | cya |
