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| 00:54.43 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 00:59.32 | doughecka | hmm |
| 00:59.34 | doughecka | greetings |
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| 01:24.49 | bzgirl | ~seen sussudio |
| 01:24.53 | | sussudio <Suss@d51132f1.cable.wanadoo.nl> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 1d 4h 28m 49s ago, saying: 'sssh i'm huntin dmp's'. |
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| 01:43.36 | MrApathyCream | ug, dukolax is now sporting a star trek uni |
| 01:44.40 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 01:45.48 | MrApathyCream | check the bzbb avatar |
| 01:46.26 | MrApathyCream | i can't believe GeoM is a no go over a silly link error |
| 01:47.47 | doughecka | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 01:47.48 | MrApathyCream | have a plan? |
| 01:48.24 | MrApathyCream | you just have to keep pestering him, till he's sick of you... That's what i did with caching |
| 01:48.31 | Patlabor221 | ok derv is the geekeyst person IN THE WORLD |
| 01:48.32 | MrApathyCream | ask doug :) |
| 01:48.41 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:48.42 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: yes, yes he is |
| 01:48.49 | doughecka | gimme 5 bucks I and will do it for you |
| 01:48.54 | MrApathyCream | ha |
| 01:49.01 | doughecka | 10 bucks for delaying |
| 01:49.26 | MrApathyCream | sussudio seems to be pouting |
| 01:49.34 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:49.40 | MrApathyCream | <sussudio>: i dont care. i've had enough of the channel, doug and cell need to go. |
| 01:49.51 | doughecka | oh? |
| 01:50.10 | Patlabor221 | cell neds to go, doug needs to shut up more when he can't contribute to a conversation. |
| 01:50.25 | MrApathyCream | you want him that quiet? |
| 01:50.31 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 01:50.34 | doughecka | impossible |
| 01:50.35 | Patlabor221 | sometimes he does contribue |
| 01:50.37 | Patlabor221 | it's rare |
| 01:50.44 | Patlabor221 | and sometimes it's just chit chat and stuff |
| 01:50.57 | Patlabor221 | just sometimes people are trying to be serious, that's when he needs to shut it |
| 01:51.38 | Patlabor221 | like now it's fine, but when you start asking avout stuff that we are trying to talk about. |
| 01:51.42 | doughecka | in soviete russia, the mouth shuts YOU! |
| 01:51.47 | Patlabor221 | it's horibly anoying to have to go and explain |
| 01:51.58 | Patlabor221 | just for you, when we know you don't realy need to know. |
| 01:52.19 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:52.19 | Patlabor221 | you would be killt in soviet russha |
| 01:52.22 | doughecka | but I like to leanr stuff |
| 01:52.40 | doughecka | ~dict apathetic |
| 01:52.42 | Patlabor221 | yes we know, but sometims it's rude to interup our stream of conversation to ask |
| 01:53.02 | MrApathyCream | ibot apathy cream? |
| 01:53.02 | | a balm that protects against the idiocy of middle management. |
| 01:53.02 | Patlabor221 | if you waited till it was winding down, then asked about the parts that you didn't get that would be better |
| 01:53.11 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:53.41 | doughecka | PatlaNukuNuku is still here |
| 01:53.55 | Patlabor221 | I know I forgot to log out on that machine |
| 01:54.02 | Patlabor221 | with the concert and all |
| 01:54.03 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:54.09 | Patlabor221 | I was REALY drunk last night |
| 01:54.11 | doughecka | concert? thats where you been? |
| 01:54.14 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:54.21 | Patlabor221 | that was last night |
| 01:54.24 | doughecka | oh |
| 01:54.31 | Patlabor221 | today I was helping someone move, and cursing the sun |
| 01:54.33 | doughecka | 2today you was recoverin? |
| 01:54.36 | doughecka | ah |
| 01:54.38 | doughecka | I see |
| 01:54.52 | MrApathyCream | cursing the sun for not showing up? |
| 01:54.55 | Patlabor221 | ohhh it's easy to not get a hang over |
| 01:55.03 | Patlabor221 | no for being so bright |
| 01:55.29 | doughecka | haha |
| 01:55.39 | doughecka | hmm |
| 01:55.46 | Patlabor221 | trick is to drink water or some other fluid before you sleep |
| 01:55.48 | doughecka | its nice and cloudy and rainy ehre |
| 01:55.49 | Patlabor221 | and LOTS of it |
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| 01:55.56 | MrApathyCream | here to |
| 01:55.57 | Patlabor221 | it's sunny but windy |
| 01:56.05 | doughecka | michaelh20 man! hows the cheats going? ;) |
| 01:56.23 | michaelh20 | they have been vaporized, at least in the public sense :) |
| 01:56.44 | Patlabor221 | ohh just bump the version |
| 01:56.48 | doughecka | oh? |
| 01:56.49 | Patlabor221 | then release source. |
| 01:57.12 | michaelh20 | Well it was up to Knightmare really, not me |
| 01:57.34 | Patlabor221 | I know, I sugested it to him many times. |
| 01:57.43 | michaelh20 | But we might do that anyway in the end |
| 01:57.49 | fiberchunks | evening all |
| 01:57.53 | Patlabor221 | or bust protocoll or something |
| 01:57.57 | Patlabor221 | hye fiber |
| 01:57.59 | michaelh20 | It still puts Cheating Source out there :) |
| 01:58.02 | fiberchunks | or whatever, as the case may be |
| 01:58.03 | doughecka | heh |
| 01:58.08 | doughecka | greetings fiberchunks |
| 01:58.10 | Patlabor221 | cheating sin't hard to do . |
| 01:58.21 | Patlabor221 | you can't go past G0 anyway |
| 01:58.23 | michaelh20 | Not with this source it sure isn't |
| 01:58.28 | fiberchunks | no, and at least with the source, you can try to prevent it |
| 01:58.45 | Patlabor221 | G2 will bust most of your cheats |
| 01:58.55 | michaelh20 | Which is fine with me |
| 01:59.05 | doughecka | lol |
| 01:59.07 | Patlabor221 | then break protocoll |
| 01:59.08 | doughecka | fiberchunks: haha |
| 01:59.14 | michaelh20 | You don't see me flying around on normal servers.. |
| 01:59.17 | Patlabor221 | make it a branch |
| 01:59.38 | Patlabor221 | yes but what is the point of giveing out cheat source then when it can't be used against normal servers? |
| 01:59.51 | michaelh20 | but who are you kidding about that |
| 01:59.51 | fiberchunks | oooooo, just saw on sci-fi that 'the children of dune' is due out in march -- hooray! |
| 02:00.02 | doughecka | ugh |
| 02:00.18 | michaelh20 | Sure it can't be used "as is" to cheat |
| 02:00.30 | michaelh20 | But 2 lines of changes -> can be |
| 02:00.36 | Patlabor221 | no the server side stuff makes all your stuff basicly an auto kick |
| 02:00.42 | Patlabor221 | so it's moot |
| 02:00.49 | fiberchunks | that's what i thought |
| 02:00.51 | michaelh20 | That's kind of what I thought |
| 02:01.05 | michaelh20 | You mean the new server right |
| 02:01.24 | Patlabor221 | CVs will auto kick or disallow most of your cheats |
| 02:01.36 | Patlabor221 | your shockwave mines won't show |
| 02:01.40 | fiberchunks | 'zonex, because life doesn't have to suck.' <- that would be a refreshing commercial |
| 02:01.43 | Patlabor221 | you won't be able to get a startup flag |
| 02:01.47 | michaelh20 | Oh well, that's not in my public code |
| 02:01.51 | michaelh20 | neither is that |
| 02:01.56 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:02.04 | Patlabor221 | what does yours do? |
| 02:02.09 | michaelh20 | I won't put stupid things like that in my public stuff |
| 02:02.10 | ElectricElf | ~ducatictf |
| 02:02.20 | michaelh20 | fast shots, fast move, fly |
| 02:02.30 | Patlabor221 | all those auto kick |
| 02:02.48 | michaelh20 | move through things like OO, but without OO |
| 02:03.01 | Patlabor221 | that won't |
| 02:03.18 | michaelh20 | that was CheckHit CheckBuildings on World |
| 02:03.21 | Patlabor221 | but it all comes down to the fact that you have to release source if you release a bin. |
| 02:03.35 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: does the new code handle things like teleportation when there isn't a teleporter nearby? |
| 02:03.35 | doughecka | yup |
| 02:03.41 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 02:03.43 | Patlabor221 | but it soon will |
| 02:03.48 | Patlabor221 | that and shot direction |
| 02:03.53 | Patlabor221 | and proalby oo stuff |
| 02:03.54 | doughecka | how about strafing? |
| 02:04.00 | doughecka | does it kick then? |
| 02:04.03 | Patlabor221 | when the full server side state is in |
| 02:04.08 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:04.21 | Patlabor221 | sadly the only thing that Zero does that autokicks is the speed boost. |
| 02:04.21 | michaelh20 | I didn't put any lame cheating like choosing flags you don't have, teleporting behind people and killing them, rolling shockwaves etc. |
| 02:05.37 | michaelh20 | Funny thing is the SW "mines" are not visible to the local side |
| 02:05.45 | doughecka | eh? |
| 02:05.58 | fiberchunks | alright, to bother you guys one more time about this: I've isolated the display problems down to SDL_GL_SwapBuffers, and once that is stepped into / over, all displays, question is: who knows gdb well enough to tell me why that happens? |
| 02:06.02 | michaelh20 | it's just a sw with a huge value for shot life |
| 02:06.04 | Patlabor221 | there is some trucky handaling for that |
| 02:06.17 | doughecka | michaelh20: cool |
| 02:06.30 | Patlabor221 | there is a clamp on shot life on the server too |
| 02:06.37 | michaelh20 | Ah ha |
| 02:06.40 | Patlabor221 | or at least on the other clients |
| 02:06.42 | Patlabor221 | it's wierd |
| 02:06.52 | Patlabor221 | like my shot mines don't stay as loong as they should |
| 02:07.01 | michaelh20 | That's somethign I've noticed as well |
| 02:07.07 | Patlabor221 | I've been ripping shot strat a bit of a new one |
| 02:07.09 | michaelh20 | Even with a huge value |
| 02:07.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 02:07.30 | Patlabor221 | I don't think life is sent to the server |
| 02:07.52 | michaelh20 | I'm kind of against teaching newbies to cheat like Knightmare's board is *kind* of doing |
| 02:08.05 | michaelh20 | But he gets annoyed with people asking him all the time |
| 02:08.16 | fiberchunks | he brings it upon himself |
| 02:08.18 | fiberchunks | imho |
| 02:08.29 | michaelh20 | like "what's a compiler?" |
| 02:08.33 | michaelh20 | :) |
| 02:08.35 | fiberchunks | oh my |
| 02:08.35 | doughecka | hahahahhaa |
| 02:08.44 | doughecka | whats a command prompt? |
| 02:08.55 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 02:08.56 | | shut up doug |
| 02:08.56 | Patlabor221 | dr. Venkaman's request was funny |
| 02:09.15 | Jormungandr | it annoys me cuz I go on a server, and get accused of cheating, just for getting good or lucky shots in, because everyone assumes if you don't suck, you have to be cheating. |
| 02:09.18 | Patlabor221 | "I would like a document deatling the coding specifications and useage of each file in BZ flag" |
| 02:09.31 | Patlabor221 | cap can you help me? |
| 02:09.36 | michaelh20 | Yes well that might be something useful |
| 02:09.38 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: are you a gdb wizard, and can shed some light for me? |
| 02:09.53 | Patlabor221 | see cap is too smart for his own good :) |
| 02:09.59 | fiberchunks | uh oh -- Patlabor221 and I are conflicting here ;) |
| 02:10.00 | michaelh20 | It's not too hard to get after a while though |
| 02:10.02 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:10.10 | Patlabor221 | fiber mine is BZ related. |
| 02:10.21 | fiberchunks | so is mine, to an extent ;) |
| 02:10.35 | Patlabor221 | mine involves FISH MISSILES!!!!!! |
| 02:10.40 | Patlabor221 | FISH I SAY!. |
| 02:10.44 | fiberchunks | ah, well then you have the floor : |
| 02:10.45 | doughecka | FISH!?!?! |
| 02:10.46 | fiberchunks | ) |
| 02:10.49 | michaelh20 | Jor -- yes it is annoying, but given how easy to cheat it is, it's no wonder |
| 02:10.52 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:10.52 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: whats the question? |
| 02:11.02 | michaelh20 | some people don't understand how lag effects things either |
| 02:11.02 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:11.03 | Patlabor221 | Lazer guides sushi rockets |
| 02:11.10 | doughecka | Patlabor221: impressive |
| 02:11.19 | michaelh20 | I think having ammo pickups would be interesting |
| 02:11.38 | michaelh20 | and the ability to run out of amo |
| 02:11.39 | fiberchunks | well, in essence, when I run an app from the command line or just run it in gdb, it doesn't display, but when I single step, and hit SDL_GL_SwapBuffers, it works as it should -- question is: why does this happen |
| 02:11.49 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:11.51 | Jormungandr | michael: yeah... lag is why I want to get my new server up. :) |
| 02:11.55 | Patlabor221 | michaelh20: that is one of my plans |
| 02:12.02 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: hm, race condition? |
| 02:12.04 | Jormungandr | I should download newest cvs and compile on it. |
| 02:12.12 | captain_proton | you're not doing any threaded stuff, are you? |
| 02:12.13 | michaelh20 | You have something in a debug statement ? :) |
| 02:12.33 | fiberchunks | I have no idea -- Patlabor221 has checked the code out, and it's fine -- and the code used to work properly all the time (I have no idea what caused it to break) |
| 02:12.51 | fiberchunks | I have updated the libs, recompiled, etc, and nothing seems to help |
| 02:12.58 | Patlabor221 | works fine on my lin machine too |
| 02:13.05 | fiberchunks | _except_ single stepping on the instruction |
| 02:13.36 | fiberchunks | so -- I suppose my question is, does gdb run the app in it's primal state, or does it do initializations of it's own on the data you're sending to it (or that it uses) |
| 02:14.13 | fiberchunks | note that this happens with MORE than just one app, and it happens, it seems, randomly -- but single stepping ALWAYS gets it to work properly -- I am baffled |
| 02:14.23 | captain_proton | well it sort of runs it "primal" |
| 02:14.32 | fiberchunks | (but the apps are all either SDL/GL/GLUT related) |
| 02:14.33 | captain_proton | but it does a lot of checking between each instruction that gets executed |
| 02:14.40 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 02:15.22 | fiberchunks | how can I step into code that is ancillary to the app being run (such as SDL.h) |
| 02:15.28 | fiberchunks | and view the listing for it? |
| 02:15.31 | fiberchunks | stepi? |
| 02:15.34 | Patlabor221 | get source for it |
| 02:15.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh that's right you don't realy have debug libs do you |
| 02:16.01 | Patlabor221 | can you build symbols for it? |
| 02:16.03 | fiberchunks | I'm talking about when the app is running, and it sayeth: 0x002323342 (etc) in SDL.h |
| 02:16.16 | fiberchunks | probably |
| 02:16.34 | Patlabor221 | those debug symbols link the hex stuff to code |
| 02:16.45 | fiberchunks | but no line numbers, etc ( I assume the SDL code is highly optimized?) |
| 02:17.36 | Patlabor221 | I don't know how GDB works,. but on windows if I build anyting debug it builds debug symbols that link the compiled code to the source |
| 02:17.49 | fiberchunks | well, see, here's my quandry -- I'm sure the SDL libs on my machine are fine - as they are the _exact_ same ones on my 'main' machine -- so I don't think it's there -- I'm just very puzzled about why single-stepping would cause something to work properly display wise :\ |
| 02:17.55 | Patlabor221 | and when you build debug you usualy turn off copiler optimisations. |
| 02:18.11 | fiberchunks | yah, no -g with -On |
| 02:19.06 | fiberchunks | moreover, if any of the libs were bad, nothing would work consistently, and like I say, there are apps that work perfectly everytime I run / compile-re-run them |
| 02:19.29 | fiberchunks | I also downgraded my drivers for my vid card, which did nothing |
| 02:20.48 | Jormungandr | hrm. what would be cooler for dns for new server? bzflag.secretplace.us or bzflag.dragon.org? |
| 02:20.57 | doughecka | .us it cool |
| 02:21.02 | doughecka | how about both? |
| 02:21.06 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:21.06 | Patlabor221 | drgaons are WAYYYY coller |
| 02:21.31 | Jormungandr | both will be up... just one now, and one when I move dragon.org next week. |
| 02:21.38 | doughecka | bah |
| 02:21.53 | doughecka | dragons.us! |
| 02:21.55 | Jormungandr | cuz I wanna run bzfs on both servers. :) |
| 02:22.03 | Jormungandr | I don't own dragons.us. :) |
| 02:22.05 | captain_proton | yay |
| 02:22.08 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: too much data, not enough data -- can I give you anymore info? |
| 02:22.09 | captain_proton | positive cash flow for january |
| 02:22.18 | doughecka | lol |
| 02:22.30 | Jormungandr | I need to cancel my payment schedule for my old colo company. |
| 02:23.09 | Jormungandr | also need to decide on first map for bzflag.whateverInameit. |
| 02:23.12 | fiberchunks | oh yes, dell inspiron 8200 with X 4.2.whatever, running at 1600x1200, kernel 2.4.19 |
| 02:23.24 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: i don't know - i'd have to poke at it myself, which i don't have time for right now |
| 02:23.28 | doughecka | sheeeesh |
| 02:23.37 | fiberchunks | np, thanks anywho |
| 02:24.13 | doughecka | Jormungandr: spirals |
| 02:24.25 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 02:24.57 | Patlabor221 | don't use a map where any oject is aranges to spell a word |
| 02:25.09 | Jormungandr | which ones are those? |
| 02:25.12 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 02:25.15 | doughecka | Patlabor221: not mine |
| 02:25.16 | Patlabor221 | Jeff's General Rule of Thumb #24 |
| 02:25.16 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:25.23 | doughecka | whats #25? |
| 02:25.33 | Patlabor221 | Dont' summon anything biger then your head |
| 02:25.38 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:25.55 | michaelh20 | You mean like ArseWorld ? :) |
| 02:26.23 | Patlabor221 | no sorry #25 is Never use fonts named after citys |
| 02:26.43 | Jormungandr | why can't I find spirals on stats.bzflag.org worlds page? |
| 02:26.50 | Jormungandr | never mind |
| 02:26.52 | Jormungandr | found it. |
| 02:27.01 | michaelh20 | why are the people on forums.anandtech.com such right wing nuts? |
| 02:27.08 | Jormungandr | dude.. it has a MINUS 1 rank. |
| 02:27.16 | michaelh20 | No offense to any on here ;) |
| 02:27.44 | doughecka | Jormungandr: hmm? |
| 02:27.56 | Patlabor221 | I like decks |
| 02:28.00 | doughecka | decks is good |
| 02:28.26 | Patlabor221 | I like waterdecks too but it's gonna get it's butt bussted in G2 |
| 02:28.46 | doughecka | oh? |
| 02:28.48 | doughecka | why? |
| 02:28.53 | Jormungandr | which is better, doug... spirals, or spirals2? |
| 02:29.10 | doughecka | Jormungandr: spirals2 has a.... laser box in it.. |
| 02:29.10 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:29.17 | Jormungandr | ah. |
| 02:29.18 | doughecka | spirals 1 is better |
| 02:29.21 | doughecka | people like it more |
| 02:29.22 | Jormungandr | okie. |
| 02:29.29 | fiberchunks | hrm -- the older nvidia drivers work much better with bzflag on this laptop |
| 02:30.51 | doughecka | hmm, would need gravity for that |
| 02:30.53 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:31.14 | michaelh20 | and a shot life longer than 4 seconds |
| 02:31.20 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:31.24 | doughecka | thats easy to fix |
| 02:32.41 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 02:32.45 | Jormungandr | need to do dns. |
| 02:32.53 | doughecka | hmm |
| 02:33.05 | doughecka | take the one off jzaun, make sure its at least 20 shot |
| 02:33.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:33.35 | Jormungandr | got map from stats. |
| 02:33.36 | michaelh20 | annoying that is |
| 02:33.53 | Jormungandr | what's annoying, michael? |
| 02:33.57 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:34.00 | doughecka | 20 shot or more |
| 02:34.05 | doughecka | my server is 100 |
| 02:34.05 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:34.05 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 02:34.06 | michaelh20 | 20 shots etc... |
| 02:34.08 | doughecka | oh the joy |
| 02:34.22 | michaelh20 | at least at times it is |
| 02:34.29 | michaelh20 | I suppose if you could fly it would help :) |
| 02:34.36 | Jormungandr | my other maps are all 2 shots. ;) |
| 02:35.03 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:35.31 | doughecka | Jormungandr: heh, 2 shot dont hurt it, but people like the map cuz its on 20 shot 50 shot, and 100 shot servers... :P |
| 02:35.36 | Jormungandr | only 4 flags recommended? |
| 02:35.42 | doughecka | hmm? |
| 02:35.47 | doughecka | SW L GM and ST? |
| 02:35.54 | Jormungandr | no GM |
| 02:35.59 | Jormungandr | sw l cl st |
| 02:36.16 | doughecka | ah |
| 02:36.22 | doughecka | add a few GMs in there. :) |
| 02:36.27 | doughecka | need it for the ST |
| 02:36.27 | doughecka | :) |
| 02:36.44 | captain_proton | i ALMOST can't take any more of your idiocy doughecka |
| 02:36.50 | captain_proton | GO OUTSIDE AND DO SOMETHING SOCIAL |
| 02:37.08 | doughecka | ? |
| 02:37.15 | doughecka | he was wondering what flags to add |
| 02:37.37 | captain_proton | to misquote startrek, you're a veritible fountain of bad ideas |
| 02:38.21 | doughecka | to misquote starwars, bad ideas a veritible fountain of you are |
| 02:38.42 | captain_proton | um |
| 02:38.44 | captain_proton | what? |
| 02:38.48 | michaelh20 | judge me by my size do you? |
| 02:39.07 | doughecka | I have a yoda.pl script... |
| 02:39.16 | captain_proton | wow, you write that yourself? |
| 02:39.20 | captain_proton | wait |
| 02:39.21 | doughecka | nope |
| 02:39.23 | captain_proton | i already know the answer |
| 02:41.06 | ElectricElf | If somebody's jumping around, that's their client being laggy to the serve,r right? |
| 02:41.21 | ElectricElf | (The lag of the person _vieweing_ the jumping can't be a factor, right?) |
| 02:41.26 | captain_proton | ElectricElf: usually |
| 02:41.30 | ElectricElf | K. |
| 02:42.26 | doughecka | ElectricElf: I never seen a nonelectricelf before... |
| 02:42.46 | michaelh20 | but is he DC or AC ? |
| 02:43.02 | doughecka | ah, that IS the question |
| 02:43.08 | michaelh20 | Solar power? |
| 02:43.14 | doughecka | and he goes on and on and on and on and on.... etc |
| 02:43.47 | michaelh20 | Me.. with the brain the size of a planet |
| 02:43.59 | michaelh20 | stuck here in this car park... |
| 02:44.18 | doughecka | are you going to sulk there or go rust in the corner? |
| 02:45.15 | michaelh20 | Anyone else think it is ironic the debris went down in Palastine or whatever it was called? |
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| 02:45.25 | doughecka | hah |
| 02:45.35 | [dmp] | Is ducati:5156 running a new version than usual? |
| 02:45.37 | doughecka | it was sorta ironic.. |
| 02:45.44 | doughecka | [dmp]: yeppers |
| 02:45.53 | doughecka | I think its CVS or something like that |
| 02:46.04 | michaelh20 | thems lag nazis :) |
| 02:46.20 | [dmp] | doughecka: Seems to be a bug. |
| 02:46.20 | Jormungandr | well, I think I'm gunna start it up. |
| 02:46.33 | [dmp] | doughecka: try to join, and see if you can find rembo/the red flag |
| 02:46.38 | doughecka | michaelh20: Oh dear, said god, I dint think of that, and promptly vanished in the puff of logic |
| 02:46.41 | doughecka | [dmp]: hmm |
| 02:46.45 | doughecka | ~ducatictf |
| 02:47.00 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
| 02:47.08 | michaelh20 | ~ibot |
| 02:47.09 | | ibot is, like, a blootbot now, no longer an infobot. run by BZFlag (TimRiker) on his server. see blootbot also http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ it uses SQLite but can use MySQL or other SQL for storage. |
| 02:47.09 | doughecka | ok doke |
| 02:47.18 | [dmp] | rembo is holding the flag, but isnt on the field |
| 02:47.30 | michaelh20 | ~suck it |
| 02:47.31 | [dmp] | he just reconnected. He crashed. But the player still exists. |
| 02:48.19 | michaelh20 | Dopelganger :) |
| 02:48.23 | ElectricElf | *cough* rosemeyers *cough* :) |
| 02:49.00 | michaelh20 | You guys been busy introducing new bugs into the server? |
| 02:49.00 | Jormungandr | can someone check bzflag.secretplace.us and see how many shots it is set for? |
| 02:49.22 | michaelh20 | sounds kind of kinky... |
| 02:49.39 | Jormungandr | I set it for 20, but it said 10 when bzfs started. |
| 02:49.55 | captain_proton | ugh |
| 02:49.56 | captain_proton | 20? |
| 02:49.57 | michaelh20 | Takes an extra special person to set it for more :) |
| 02:49.59 | captain_proton | are you on crack? |
| 02:50.09 | Jormungandr | hey, I'm playing around, okay? |
| 02:50.30 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: anything above 10 requires a hacked server |
| 02:50.35 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 02:50.37 | michaelh20 | "How have you treated your 'secret place' today?' |
| 02:50.43 | Jormungandr | so it defaulted to 10 anyway. |
| 02:51.23 | Jormungandr | the farm I lived on as a child was called "The Secret Place". It was named after the family who built it, who's last name was actually Secret. |
| 02:51.43 | Jormungandr | so the domain is an email domain for my family. |
| 02:52.21 | michaelh20 | 10 shots |
| 02:52.23 | Jormungandr | it was kind of a christmas present for my mom. |
| 02:52.25 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 02:52.36 | Jormungandr | If I want more than that, I'll have to hack. |
| 02:53.09 | Jormungandr | I'm interested in the speed, etc., of the connection. |
| 02:53.16 | Jormungandr | can't wait til I get home so I can play. :) |
| 02:53.36 | michaelh20 | ~beat it |
| 02:53.46 | michaelh20 | ~beat |
| 02:53.59 | michaelh20 | ~I |
| 02:53.59 | | i is, like, foolish |
| 02:54.24 | michaelh20 | ~cream |
| 02:54.24 | | That stuff you put in coffee to make it drinkable. |
| 02:54.53 | captain_proton | michaelh20: if you're going to create bot noise, please do it in a /msg |
| 02:55.07 | michaelh20 | ah so |
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| 02:57.07 | michaelh20 | but ibot doesn't want to chat with me apparently |
| 02:57.46 | michaelh20 | sob.. |
| 02:57.53 | doughecka | haha |
| 02:58.03 | doughecka | does it have all the letters? |
| 02:58.30 | doughecka | e is a little more than 2, but less than 3 or portuguese for and |
| 02:58.54 | michaelh20 | ? |
| 02:59.04 | doughecka | t is, like, ibot's idiotic master from hell that uses Wind0ze... |
| 02:59.12 | doughecka | ~u |
| 02:59.12 | | hmm... u is the stupidest bastard. |
| 03:00.52 | doughecka | heh |
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| 03:18.35 | Jormungandr | there. |
| 03:18.45 | Jormungandr | I need to migrate my irc scripts, though. |
| 03:19.22 | Jormungandr | back in a few. |
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| 03:23.36 | iLLf8d | hmm for some reason the new bzflagzero client won't compile but the old one will looks like the new one wants libgtk.so.5 but the old one didn't |
| 03:24.25 | iLLf8d | anyone have older bzflagzero sources? |
| 03:24.42 | iLLf8d | my new sources overwrote the old ones and the newer zip has only weenos shite in it |
| 03:24.45 | Jormungandr | nope.. not using zero... sorry. |
| 03:25.18 | iLLf8d | hey guys you gonna roll the zero features back into bzflag? |
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| 04:20.12 | RiverRat | Tim Riker, BZ is a great game, but being wrecked by laggers and trigger-happy BZcops. my 2 cents |
| 04:31.36 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: are you going to save the world again, and help out Patlabor221, or instead sit idly by and allow devastation to insue? |
| 04:32.14 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: possibly, possibly |
| 04:32.31 | MrApathyCream | Please captain_proton, the world needs you... don't let us commoners down |
| 04:35.05 | MrApathyCream | You're are only hope, and it seems like such a trivial problem, for a master, like you |
| 04:36.45 | MrApathyCream | certainly you should be able to fix this problem, dev Mr. wiggly, and chastise doug in parallel |
| 04:37.23 | captain_proton | YOU GOT IT RIGHT! |
| 04:37.28 | captain_proton | Mr. Wiggly! |
| 04:41.53 | MrApathyCream | heh, and as a reward........ |
| 04:45.44 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 04:46.33 | Patlabor221 | or just add more shapes to BZ proppa |
| 04:46.49 | Patlabor221 | but then notihing I write works on lin anyway |
| 04:47.02 | captain_proton | wow |
| 04:47.15 | captain_proton | i didn't think his avatar could get worse |
| 04:47.17 | captain_proton | but guess what! |
| 04:47.25 | Patlabor221 | yes he is uber geeky |
| 04:47.40 | Patlabor221 | put together from the parts of lesser geeks |
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| 05:41.57 | MrApathyCream | so did captain_proton fix it then? |
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| 05:44.48 | Patlabor221 | not even |
| 05:45.34 | MrApathyCream | my hero failed? i find that hard to believe |
| 05:45.41 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: say it aint so!! |
| 05:45.44 | Patlabor221 | he's got someting that he's doing |
| 05:45.51 | Patlabor221 | I can tell |
| 05:45.54 | Patlabor221 | something EVIL |
| 05:46.11 | MrApathyCream | no captain_proton is pure good. I'm sure he is working on your problem right now! |
| 05:46.23 | MrApathyCream | I'm sure he wouldn't let us down |
| 05:46.36 | MrApathyCream | (Being the super proggy that he is) |
| 05:46.39 | Patlabor221 | he hasn't even asked where code is |
| 05:46.46 | Patlabor221 | or what the problem is |
| 05:46.51 | MrApathyCream | He may not even need to see it, to fix it |
| 05:46.54 | MrApathyCream | --he's that good |
| 05:47.02 | MrApathyCream | I'm sure he is working on it, right now |
| 05:47.16 | Patlabor221 | showed him output the responce was "hmm" |
| 05:47.50 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton is, afterall, the best ever |
| 05:48.46 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: i wonder what would happen if you created an object of the class that's defined in platform, but create it in bzflag proper |
| 05:49.08 | MrApathyCream | --as a test |
| 05:49.24 | Patlabor221 | I can try. |
| 05:49.31 | Patlabor221 | shit should work tho |
| 05:49.47 | Patlabor221 | Its not like it's anyting funky |
| 05:50.50 | MrApathyCream | it may tell us something (i don't know what0 |
| 05:51.12 | MrApathyCream | DAY27: and still we wait for dukolax |
| 05:51.31 | Patlabor221 | he's too busy tweaking his avatar |
| 05:51.47 | Patlabor221 | and telling us he knows how to add boxes based on a simple formula |
| 05:55.34 | MrApathyCream | His parents didn't tell him he was a good boy enough, i suppose |
| 05:56.54 | Patlabor221 | I could just add soo many cool new featurs that he has to help |
| 05:56.59 | Patlabor221 | like my latest |
| 05:57.09 | Patlabor221 | lazer target designator |
| 05:57.16 | Patlabor221 | for GMs on the same team |
| 05:57.25 | Patlabor221 | and maybe lazer guided mortars |
| 05:57.45 | MrApathyCream | did you try compiling? |
| 05:57.52 | Patlabor221 | not yet |
| 05:58.04 | Patlabor221 | editing on this platform is "odd" |
| 05:58.51 | iLLf8d | brb |
| 05:59.18 | Patlabor221 | gawd how hard is it to set up double click as OPEN |
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| 06:03.47 | Patlabor221 | why can't this platform just accept that char a[5]; a[0] = NULL: |
| 06:06.39 | Patlabor221 | why this little pice of crap lovin, donkey licking, son of a motherless goat!!!! |
| 06:06.42 | Patlabor221 | gues what |
| 06:07.08 | Patlabor221 | I must say that what ever version of GCC I have, it sucks |
| 06:07.23 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:07.30 | MrApathyCream | maybe that's the problem, you don't have the latest |
| 06:08.12 | Patlabor221 | it works if I add a bogus OSFile class in bzflag.cxx |
| 06:08.19 | Patlabor221 | and call a func in it. |
| 06:11.36 | MrApathyCream | does it work in geom? |
| 06:11.38 | MrApathyCream | too? |
| 06:12.19 | MrApathyCream | meaning the whole proggy links now? |
| 06:12.41 | MrApathyCream | cool! |
| 06:12.48 | MrApathyCream | waats next? |
| 06:13.33 | Patlabor221 | tanks |
| 06:13.52 | Patlabor221 | or more world ents |
| 06:14.02 | Patlabor221 | bt that should perhaps wait till after g2 |
| 06:15.02 | MrApathyCream | yes, i mean what needxs to be done to get missiles into g2 |
| 06:15.10 | Patlabor221 | ohh |
| 06:15.36 | Patlabor221 | just the setting of the quality global when they change the menu item and a game is allready running |
| 06:15.43 | Patlabor221 | and that one color thing. |
| 06:15.57 | Patlabor221 | and uglification |
| 06:16.02 | Patlabor221 | or patchification. |
| 06:16.38 | MrApathyCream | well if that's all it should be posted as a patch |
| 06:16.39 | Patlabor221 | tho there are some warnings that could be cleaned up with out that much uglification |
| 06:16.49 | Patlabor221 | like the string = NULL |
| 06:17.09 | MrApathyCream | you still have to de-zero it? |
| 06:17.29 | Patlabor221 | it would be easyer to just move it during pachification. |
| 06:17.50 | Patlabor221 | I can move it to a CVS bz tomorow if that would help |
| 06:17.56 | Patlabor221 | then uglify |
| 06:18.51 | MrApathyCream | what ever you need to do to get it into a diff file |
| 06:19.00 | MrApathyCream | i'd be glad to uglify if that would help |
| 06:19.10 | MrApathyCream | or, i'd do anything else too... |
| 06:19.22 | Patlabor221 | you wana merge it into normal BZ? |
| 06:19.28 | MrApathyCream | sure |
| 06:19.32 | MrApathyCream | love to |
| 06:19.43 | Patlabor221 | the geo and plat projects should be the same as CVS anyway |
| 06:19.55 | Patlabor221 | so you can diff those and see what I added |
| 06:20.15 | MrApathyCream | can you send me a zipped source tree? |
| 06:20.28 | MrApathyCream | dbrosius@chesco.com |
| 06:21.18 | Patlabor221 | yes as soon as I get it off the old leenox macine |
| 06:21.21 | Patlabor221 | just tarballed |
| 06:23.29 | Patlabor221 | basicly 2 new classes added |
| 06:23.37 | Patlabor221 | AnimMesh |
| 06:23.39 | Patlabor221 | and OSFIle |
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| 06:23.52 | doughecka | greetings |
| 06:23.57 | Patlabor221 | and some utils that they use ( 3dtypes.h and 3dutils.cxx ) |
| 06:24.02 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:24.08 | MrApathyCream | no prob |
| 06:24.08 | Patlabor221 | added geoGlobals.h and cxx |
| 06:24.31 | Patlabor221 | call an init function in geoGlobals from playing to load the models. |
| 06:24.38 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:24.56 | Patlabor221 | changed shot strat to save the vector info to the Bolt class |
| 06:25.05 | Patlabor221 | change bolt class to call new draw functions |
| 06:25.15 | Patlabor221 | and init some random spinny things |
| 06:25.19 | Patlabor221 | that's about it |
| 06:25.30 | Patlabor221 | most of the new work is done in all those new classes |
| 06:26.14 | Patlabor221 | geoGlobals has a quality global seting that the bolt class uses to know if it needs to draw the new missle or not |
| 06:26.29 | Patlabor221 | so that also needs to get set when the menu is changes |
| 06:26.56 | Patlabor221 | also shotstrat::init should be called when the quality menu item chantes too, so the correct texture can be used. |
| 06:32.29 | MrApathyCream | patches welcome |
| 06:32.32 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 06:34.10 | Patlabor221 | the patch would more then likey bust some OSs :) |
| 06:34.25 | Patlabor221 | mail is on it's way |
| 06:34.30 | Patlabor221 | 5.4 meg attachement |
| 06:35.06 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 06:35.08 | Patlabor221 | again I still must debate the fix vs redo for thinks as base as texture handaling |
| 06:35.32 | MrApathyCream | there will be more time to redo after g2 |
| 06:35.51 | MrApathyCream | the key is to get excitement for external models |
| 06:36.00 | MrApathyCream | so that work like this can expand |
| 06:36.11 | MrApathyCream | once everyone sees this, they'll go nutz |
| 06:36.32 | MrApathyCream | then there be no question that the whole subsystem should be revamped |
| 06:37.10 | MrApathyCream | you should think about your 5 step program to make it 'right' |
| 06:37.21 | MrApathyCream | then we do step 1 after g2 |
| 06:37.39 | MrApathyCream | but your steps should be chewable |
| 06:37.56 | MrApathyCream | so that were not busted for weeks |
| 06:38.40 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if Tim will like it |
| 06:38.50 | MrApathyCream | while i don't have alot say, i'm going to do what i can to not get in a dismal |
| 06:38.54 | Patlabor221 | the chewable parts are the hard part |
| 06:38.57 | MrApathyCream | everything's broken stage again |
| 06:39.01 | MrApathyCream | like we did with 1.8 |
| 06:39.08 | Patlabor221 | realy the code is a complete mess |
| 06:39.10 | MrApathyCream | we wasted 4-5 months on that mistake |
| 06:39.30 | MrApathyCream | nah, it just takes some genious on your part to see the mutation pattern |
| 06:39.41 | MrApathyCream | but that's well within you |
| 06:40.04 | Patlabor221 | but does that take more or less time then a redo based on more modern libs? |
| 06:40.12 | Patlabor221 | that's my ponderance |
| 06:40.15 | MrApathyCream | it takes more time |
| 06:40.25 | MrApathyCream | no question. |
| 06:40.43 | MrApathyCream | but in opensource, i strongly believe, it wouldn't happen the other way |
| 06:40.59 | Patlabor221 | well I think the next thing needs to be a server clean up |
| 06:41.05 | Patlabor221 | and an authoritive server state |
| 06:41.32 | Patlabor221 | with the client able to get all info from the server, but still do its prediction |
| 06:41.35 | MrApathyCream | yes. and i think tim is motivated along those lines. 'along' being the operative words |
| 06:41.36 | Patlabor221 | I think that is chewable |
| 06:41.55 | MrApathyCream | can't say for sure what he's planning, but it will be better than it is today |
| 06:42.00 | MrApathyCream | --that's the important thing |
| 06:42.24 | Patlabor221 | engine wise the next changes I would make would depend on if I can condense all those damned grpahic options down |
| 06:42.25 | MrApathyCream | it would be nice if everyone was paid to dev bz, but.... |
| 06:42.35 | MrApathyCream | so you move in the right direction, albeit slower than anyone wants |
| 06:42.41 | Patlabor221 | ya |
| 06:43.33 | Patlabor221 | If I could condense the grapic options down to "high or low" "texture or No Textures" and "shadows no shadows" |
| 06:43.36 | Patlabor221 | that would be nice |
| 06:43.37 | MrApathyCream | meaning, blending, dithering, linear mipmap linear, shadows, etc, etc |
| 06:43.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah all that |
| 06:43.56 | Patlabor221 | noone uses the low end teture modes |
| 06:44.07 | Patlabor221 | noone does blending but no texturing |
| 06:44.09 | MrApathyCream | actually i think chestal does |
| 06:44.10 | Patlabor221 | ext... |
| 06:44.18 | Patlabor221 | make low use the lowest |
| 06:44.26 | MrApathyCream | but agreed high/low would probably be ok |
| 06:44.29 | Patlabor221 | I don't think they need to expose al of them |
| 06:44.33 | MrApathyCream | dunno what tim thinks on that one |
| 06:44.51 | Patlabor221 | then I would simplefy the gl state stuff. |
| 06:45.10 | Patlabor221 | it would be nice to dithc all the gl 1.0 code too |
| 06:45.15 | Patlabor221 | and just go 1.2 or 1.3 |
| 06:45.27 | Patlabor221 | tho I don't know if there are systems without 1.2 |
| 06:45.31 | MrApathyCream | is 1.2, 1.3 just an extension, or new calls? |
| 06:45.41 | Patlabor221 | new calls |
| 06:45.43 | MrApathyCream | er, replaced calls |
| 06:45.55 | Patlabor221 | and there are #defs in there to call old stuff if you don't have 1.2 |
| 06:46.06 | Patlabor221 | most of it's the same |
| 06:46.09 | MrApathyCream | that would prolly be ok too, i would imagine |
| 06:46.12 | Patlabor221 | but stuff like texutre blending and stuff |
| 06:46.27 | MrApathyCream | texture objects? |
| 06:46.34 | Patlabor221 | that is part of it yes |
| 06:46.41 | Patlabor221 | and the texture mode. |
| 06:46.47 | Patlabor221 | and some other things that wern't in 1.0 |
| 06:46.47 | MrApathyCream | bz doesn't use i assume? |
| 06:46.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh yes it does |
| 06:47.06 | Patlabor221 | all txtures are bound to an object ID |
| 06:47.18 | Patlabor221 | otherwize it would be slow as hell |
| 06:47.57 | Patlabor221 | but becasue it also suports NOT binding them the binding way isn't as optimal |
| 06:48.05 | Patlabor221 | I would also turn on glColorMaterial |
| 06:48.17 | Patlabor221 | since bz dosn't relay use the glMaterials |
| 06:48.54 | Patlabor221 | once the state stuff was redone. I would change the texture mananger so it would support nested texture dirs |
| 06:49.13 | Patlabor221 | or I should say add a texture manager. |
| 06:49.19 | Patlabor221 | since what is there is not much |
| 06:49.40 | Patlabor221 | don't you also need a new font renderer? |
| 06:50.11 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:50.25 | MrApathyCream | but scanline has promised to be done that by march |
| 06:50.28 | Patlabor221 | that would have to work with the texture manager |
| 06:50.36 | MrApathyCream | he swore an oath |
| 06:50.47 | MrApathyCream | (signed in blood) |
| 06:51.14 | Patlabor221 | well still it would have to work with the texture manager or each text line would screw the state |
| 06:51.25 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:52.25 | MrApathyCream | so what's the real way to do fonts, parse beziers from the font files and render them as filled poly's |
| 06:52.33 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 06:52.40 | Patlabor221 | that's slow |
| 06:52.53 | MrApathyCream | bitmaps still then? |
| 06:52.55 | Patlabor221 | render the font from a font file to a texture at run time and save the metrics |
| 06:52.56 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:53.05 | Patlabor221 | then build lists for each letter |
| 06:53.18 | Patlabor221 | then just call the list for each letter |
| 06:53.40 | MrApathyCream | what's the list? |
| 06:53.50 | Patlabor221 | you have the list store a translation for each character that puts the current state at the start pos for the next letter |
| 06:53.53 | Patlabor221 | the just call them |
| 06:54.01 | Patlabor221 | a GL display list |
| 06:54.16 | Patlabor221 | takes GL commands and just keeps the results of them |
| 06:54.21 | Patlabor221 | kinda like a macro |
| 06:54.28 | MrApathyCream | so a translate/bitblit |
| 06:54.34 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 06:54.38 | Patlabor221 | we don't blit in GL |
| 06:54.40 | Patlabor221 | not direclty |
| 06:54.42 | MrApathyCream | i know what a gl list is, just wondered what was in it for drawing a letter |
| 06:54.54 | Patlabor221 | draw a textured quad |
| 06:55.03 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 06:55.07 | Patlabor221 | then translate to the pont where next charcter starts |
| 06:55.16 | Patlabor221 | just put that in the list |
| 06:55.24 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 06:55.30 | Patlabor221 | since a character is just a nuymber |
| 06:55.46 | Patlabor221 | you make the list for each letter be some offset + the ascii |
| 06:55.54 | Patlabor221 | then you just loop thru the characters. |
| 06:55.54 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:56.02 | Patlabor221 | adding the offset and calling |
| 06:56.11 | MrApathyCream | altho with unicode, prolly need a more complex system to do caching |
| 06:56.12 | Patlabor221 | if you only have 1 font it gets realy easy |
| 06:56.20 | Patlabor221 | glCallListsv(string) |
| 06:56.23 | MrApathyCream | well, maybe potentially |
| 06:56.36 | Patlabor221 | one font one size |
| 06:56.58 | Patlabor221 | and don't need wraping |
| 06:57.57 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:58.05 | Patlabor221 | right now it's horible |
| 06:58.33 | MrApathyCream | 1.8 had rotating tanks as selection markers |
| 06:58.38 | MrApathyCream | they never really worked |
| 06:58.46 | Patlabor221 | that is just fluf |
| 06:58.55 | Patlabor221 | I'm talking about general usablility |
| 06:59.04 | Patlabor221 | the entire game is played with the mouse |
| 06:59.08 | MrApathyCream | the menu system, or... |
| 06:59.13 | Patlabor221 | but you can't use it in the menus |
| 06:59.15 | MrApathyCream | ah, i see |
| 06:59.15 | Patlabor221 | all of it |
| 06:59.17 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 06:59.25 | Patlabor221 | menu, hud, it all |
| 06:59.29 | Patlabor221 | it's horible and scaled |
| 06:59.53 | Patlabor221 | I got a biger monitor so I could see more stuff on it. BZ punishes me by just making stuff more blurry |
| 07:00.12 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 07:00.15 | MrApathyCream | how big? |
| 07:00.25 | Patlabor221 | I have some 21's |
| 07:00.39 | Patlabor221 | my normal res is 1600x1200 |
| 07:00.43 | MrApathyCream | 1152x834 is good for me |
| 07:01.05 | Patlabor221 | the point is, all bz does is scale up it's stuff |
| 07:01.07 | Patlabor221 | looks like ass |
| 07:01.22 | MrApathyCream | 'stuff' meaning fonts? |
| 07:01.28 | Patlabor221 | everything |
| 07:01.28 | Patlabor221 | fonts |
| 07:01.29 | Patlabor221 | images |
| 07:01.35 | Patlabor221 | the hud bitmap |
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| 07:01.44 | Patlabor221 | just the sizes of everying |
| 07:01.46 | MrApathyCream | what hud bitmap? |
| 07:02.02 | Patlabor221 | the background immage that |
| 07:02.43 | Patlabor221 | I don't think the hud should be dependet on screen res |
| 07:03.00 | MrApathyCream | you mean the sky? |
| 07:03.01 | Patlabor221 | you should have the choice of message area size |
| 07:03.17 | MrApathyCream | you do have choice of message area size ;) |
| 07:03.24 | MrApathyCream | well at least in the V dir |
| 07:03.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh I think you got rid of it in recently |
| 07:03.34 | Patlabor221 | jzaun has one |
| 07:03.43 | MrApathyCream | no, it's in the latest cvs |
| 07:03.49 | Patlabor221 | ok that |
| 07:03.50 | MrApathyCream | under GUI Options menu |
| 07:03.52 | Patlabor221 | it's scaled |
| 07:03.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: 1.8 has a very reconfigurable interface... |
| 07:03.56 | captain_proton | (oh wait) |
| 07:04.25 | Patlabor221 | it was just some changes to the 1. interface. I know it was easer to change but still its DEAD |
| 07:05.01 | Patlabor221 | but I'm just ranting now :) |
| 07:05.24 | MrApathyCream | bitter: explain this: Patlabor221 created an object of the class defined in platform and now everything works (no link error) |
| 07:05.38 | MrApathyCream | link order problem? old linker? |
| 07:05.47 | Patlabor221 | bitter: want missiles for GMs? |
| 07:05.53 | MrApathyCream | he created the object in bzflag proper |
| 07:07.28 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: ever put in the flare? |
| 07:07.33 | Patlabor221 | sadly it's time to go read YARPGTINFP |
| 07:07.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah the flare is in there |
| 07:07.45 | Patlabor221 | and it spinns too |
| 07:08.25 | MrApathyCream | yet another real pukey greeting to .... |
| 07:08.28 | MrApathyCream | darn |
| 07:08.47 | Patlabor221 | yet another role playing game I'll never freaking play |
| 07:08.56 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 07:09.01 | Patlabor221 | but it's got hovertanks |
| 07:09.04 | Patlabor221 | can't be all that bad |
| 07:09.36 | Patlabor221 | the current implementation will take each object and give them each a random rotation, |
| 07:10.25 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 07:10.58 | Patlabor221 | well I'm off |
| 07:11.00 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 07:11.07 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
| 07:11.17 | MrApathyCream | i'll send ya a diff |
| 07:22.24 | Jormungandr | whew. |
| 07:22.41 | Jormungandr | qmail, qmailadmin and vpopmail all installed. |
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| 08:38.49 | captain_proton | so MrAC |
| 08:38.50 | captain_proton | hows life |
| 08:38.58 | MrAC | cooo |
| 08:39.55 | captain_proton | wait |
| 08:40.00 | captain_proton | is MrAC M_A_C? |
| 08:40.26 | captain_proton | cvs -N |
| 08:40.27 | captain_proton | ? |
| 08:40.40 | MrApathyCream | add diffs for added or deleted files |
| 08:40.58 | captain_proton | doesn't work anywhere |
| 08:41.01 | captain_proton | (in cvs) |
| 08:41.02 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 08:41.17 | captain_proton | best to do a diff -Nru between two trees |
| 08:46.30 | MrApathyCream | missiles have a diff file against latest cvs, now |
| 08:48.38 | captain_proton | nifty |
| 09:05.42 | MrApathyCream | ibot, cvs history -u captain_proton |
| 09:05.43 | | nothing found |
| 10:58.44 | Chestal | tag |
| 10:59.52 | Chestal | hmm, I feel that togglign flags in 3D isn't right |
| 11:00.21 | Chestal | I have no objections against beign able to toggle them on radar, but 3D is considered to be a real-world view, no? |
| 11:01.38 | Chestal | what about the change to pyramid collisions? I heard that people made lots of maps which made use of the missing collision check? |
| 11:01.48 | Chestal | oh well, probably noone alive anyway here |
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| 13:00.22 | calico | good morning all |
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| 13:01.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello :o) |
| 13:01.21 | calico | hi tea |
| 13:43.59 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
| 14:08.38 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
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| 18:18.50 | [dmp] | ~ducati6 |
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| 18:33.47 | Chestal | hi Widget |
| 18:34.01 | Chestal | MAC: what are your thoughts on the flag toggle keys? |
| 18:34.46 | Chestal | the new server options should go into man pages, btw. |
| 18:34.56 | Chestal | what about the HTMLized man pages, how does that work? |
| 18:35.10 | Chestal | and waht about the chanegd behaviour of pyramid collisions? |
| 18:37.45 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: i think it's silly, but as it doesn't hurt me, it's fine by me and encourages others to do dev |
| 18:38.11 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: the htmlized man pages are built via proggy |
| 18:38.39 | MrApathyCream | pyr collisions changes: i think should be there myself |
| 18:38.48 | Chestal | MAC: when are they built? |
| 18:38.56 | MrApathyCream | when you build the installer |
| 18:39.07 | Chestal | I feel that flag toggling for main view is wrong |
| 18:39.15 | Chestal | ok on radar, if anyone needs it |
| 18:39.26 | MrApathyCream | yes i don't get the point either |
| 18:39.41 | Chestal | IMHO that part should be removed |
| 18:39.56 | Chestal | or I want a key to toggle tanks and buildings in main view, too :-) |
| 18:40.01 | MrApathyCream | heheh |
| 18:40.12 | MrApathyCream | it's called : Blindness flag |
| 18:40.24 | Chestal | and it's falsely classified as a bad flag |
| 18:40.31 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 18:40.38 | Chestal | should call it fps boost flag |
| 18:40.43 | MrApathyCream | ha |
| 18:41.04 | MrApathyCream | is your manual countdown thing done now? |
| 18:41.10 | Chestal | btw., I watched the cheat protection code for a while |
| 18:41.21 | MrApathyCream | back in 3mins |
| 18:41.26 | Chestal | now and then a shot is discarded becasue it's origins are too far off |
| 18:41.31 | Chestal | I guess this is caused by lag |
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| 18:42.00 | Chestal | then sometimes an illegal flag grab, I guess caused by either: popping up on a flag, lag issues, or UDP not working |
| 18:42.42 | simplex_insect | no pausing on a flag |
| 18:43.27 | simplex_insect | i have debugged it |
| 18:45.02 | [dmp] | Chestal: I had a problem yesterday, twice. Rembos client crashed, while he had the flag (1vs1) .. So the tank dissapeared with the flag. Only when he rejoined and began playing again (5+ mins later) the dead player was disconnected. I had the problem earlier yesterday as well, except the player didnt reconnect, so for at least 10 mins we didnt have a red flag.. |
| 18:46.07 | Chestal | hmm |
| 18:46.25 | Chestal | you can do /flag reset then (with admin priv) |
| 18:47.03 | [dmp] | i tried to do /lagstats and CLIENTQUERY, both the player didnt reply (but didnt disconenct either) |
| 18:47.13 | [dmp] | i dont have admin priv |
| 18:47.40 | [dmp] | that's why i bug you and friends from time to time :) |
| 18:47.55 | MrApathyCream | back |
| 18:47.55 | Chestal | have to play a match now, layer |
| 18:50.07 | MrApathyCream | simplex_insect: ?? |
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| 19:16.52 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: the use of ControlPanel::maxLines CONSTANT is wrong now |
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| 19:20.26 | michaelh20 | ~ |
| 19:20.39 | michaelh20 | ~ |
| 19:23.02 | michaelh20 | ~widgets |
| 19:23.06 | Chestal | MAC: what;s maxlines? |
| 19:23.41 | michaelh20 | if you had vc++ you could put yer mouse over it and find out :) |
| 19:24.46 | michaelh20 | ~pat |
| 19:24.55 | michaelh20 | ~what is pat |
| 19:24.56 | | I think you lost me on that one, michaelh20 |
| 19:31.06 | MrApathyCream | fixed it |
| 19:31.41 | Chestal | the message history code in playing.cxx looks a bit scary btw. |
| 19:31.51 | Chestal | I didn't dare todig into it yet,though :-) |
| 19:32.12 | MrApathyCream | the number of lines allowed in the message area was constant |
| 19:32.24 | MrApathyCream | now that we can resize it, it needed to be calculated |
| 19:32.27 | MrApathyCream | checked in |
| 19:32.42 | Chestal | oh? |
| 19:32.47 | Chestal | msut have been buggy before then? |
| 19:32.50 | Chestal | font size could change |
| 19:33.00 | MrApathyCream | yes, with big message area, it never filled the entire area |
| 19:33.04 | Chestal | and you coudl switch between opacity modes |
| 19:33.05 | MrApathyCream | always cut off at 30 lines |
| 19:33.11 | Chestal | ok |
| 19:33.36 | Chestal | I wonder if we should do somethign about the curent behaviour that noone can join a server when game isover |
| 19:33.47 | MrApathyCream | prolly should |
| 19:36.40 | Chestal | the countdown issue is not quite resolved |
| 19:36.45 | simplex_insect | yeah |
| 19:36.54 | Chestal | I added the -timemanual option, but you still need to be admin to do it |
| 19:37.03 | Chestal | I coudl add another option, but that's a little ugly |
| 19:37.13 | simplex_insect | true |
| 19:37.17 | Chestal | or maybe require admin only without timemanual? Don't know whetehr that makes sense |
| 19:38.09 | simplex_insect | no thats not a good idea |
| 19:41.49 | MrApathyCream | So chestal, you want to start a match at some future time, without the need for an admin right? |
| 19:41.55 | shit_insecticide | PatlaNukuNuku: Your bootlaces are not connected |
| 19:42.08 | MrApathyCream | And it's based on when all the players have shown up? |
| 19:42.30 | MrApathyCream | could you do it like, -timemanual=2x4 |
| 19:42.39 | shit_insecticide | of coz |
| 19:42.40 | MrApathyCream | where it starts when 2 teams have 4 players? |
| 19:45.30 | shit_insecticide | right, wait a min |
| 19:46.40 | shit_insecticide | PatlaNukuNuku: your mother tald me that you have not eaten all the potatoes when you was a little kid |
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| 20:02.17 | shit_insecticide | MrApathyCream told me that PatlaNukuNuku is not children safe! This channel is g-rated! I request an immediate kickban of him therefore!!! |
| 20:03.06 | Chestal | MAC: no, peopel join and play a bit for warm-up |
| 20:03.13 | Chestal | then, when everybody is ready,they do /countdown |
| 20:04.17 | shit_insecticide | yes, that what i had in my mind too |
| 20:06.07 | shit_insecticide | rumors spread it that bzflag will gain attention through the upcoming irak war. Thats a shame!!! |
| 20:07.31 | shit_insecticide | As far as i know i would put bzflag on the embargo list, because it awakes military thoughts of Iraqi |
| 20:08.57 | shit_insecticide | baka digital |
| 20:10.01 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: hmm, ok |
| 20:11.12 | shit_insecticide | psycho crusher!!! |
| 20:11.13 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: Just one player does /countdown i assume |
| 20:11.50 | Chestal | yes |
| 20:11.56 | Chestal | usually an observer who acts as referee |
| 20:14.43 | MrApathyCream | what's the problem with making it available for anyone to do? |
| 20:15.26 | Chestal | wouldn't be a problem for me |
| 20:15.38 | Chestal | but maybe it would be on the map cycle servers |
| 20:15.47 | Chestal | anidiot could repeatedly issue the command |
| 20:17.11 | MrApathyCream | you can do /countdown, once countdown has already started, or while in a game? |
| 20:17.36 | Chestal | I think so |
| 20:17.46 | Chestal | the whoel timed games stuff is a bit strange |
| 20:17.50 | MrApathyCream | maybe only admins should be able to do this, but any shmoo can do it the first time |
| 20:18.54 | Chestal | hmm, maybe |
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| 20:27.26 | Jormungandr | heya porter |
| 20:29.01 | PorterM2004 | hi |
| 20:30.42 | PorterM2004 | hi there |
| 20:32.26 | Jormungandr | can you see in here, now porter? |
| 20:32.27 | MrApathyCream | laz on hashmark, long time no see |
| 20:35.39 | Jormungandr | there is a wierd bug when more than one of us is on from same NAT'd connection, 2 of us have everything go "nr" |
| 20:37.40 | MrApathyCream | hmm, no idear |
| 20:38.03 | Jormungandr | many people using bzflag on NAT? |
| 20:38.15 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 20:39.28 | Jormungandr | I might have a work around. |
| 20:40.12 | Jormungandr | nope. |
| 20:40.22 | Jormungandr | tried connecting to another IP on that server. |
| 20:40.29 | Jormungandr | still hand NR issues. |
| 20:40.33 | Jormungandr | s/hand/had |
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| 20:42.33 | Chestal | Jorm: joni one after the other |
| 20:42.49 | Chestal | Jorm: first you join, drive around, then othe rjoins |
| 20:43.04 | Chestal | jorm: because server has to guess udp port assignments when you are both behidn the same NAT router |
| 20:43.24 | Chestal | this should be fixed in next incompatible release |
| 20:43.39 | Jormungandr | ah... so if 2 of us are joined, how should the third join? |
| 20:44.03 | Chestal | the important thign is that the server gets one UDP packet from a player who joined before the next one joins |
| 20:44.17 | Chestal | you can ensure this by drivign around a little |
| 20:44.41 | Jormungandr | I'm in observer mode... how does that effect. |
| 20:44.50 | Chestal | hmm, good question |
| 20:44.52 | Jormungandr | does it use UDP? |
| 20:44.57 | Jormungandr | maybe that's why it's broken. |
| 20:45.10 | Jormungandr | cuz we are fine when we are all three playing. |
| 20:45.19 | Chestal | palyer positions and shots are transmitted over udp |
| 20:45.22 | Chestal | everythign else is TCP |
| 20:46.45 | Jormungandr | wierd... I join and 2 of us are working... and third one joins, and can't pick up flags, etc. |
| 20:47.01 | Jormungandr | and we all go NR |
| 20:47.13 | Jormungandr | when is next incompatible release? :) |
| 20:47.28 | Chestal | will take some time, expect at least 2 or 3 months |
| 20:47.41 | Chestal | there'll be a small 1.7g2 release in a few days probably |
| 20:47.42 | Jormungandr | it was working on dragon.org server, but not on new server. |
| 20:47.48 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 20:48.10 | Chestal | but this won't fix that issue |
| 20:48.14 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 20:48.15 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 20:48.21 | Jormungandr | anyway... new server is nice and fast. |
| 20:48.51 | Jormungandr | 100mb to backbone. hray! |
| 20:49.00 | Jormungandr | anyway... lunch time. |
| 20:49.02 | Jormungandr | afk |
| 20:49.05 | Chestal | cu |
| 20:49.12 | Chestal | I'm away for now |
| 20:49.30 | MrApathyCream | l8r |
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| 20:58.17 | greg1 | hi |
| 21:02.32 | greg1 | I have a very stupid question that I m gonna ask anyway |
| 21:02.45 | greg1 | is there any icons for BZFlag ? |
| 21:03.19 | Patlabor221 | for what OS? |
| 21:03.36 | greg1 | is that matter ? |
| 21:03.50 | greg1 | (linux) |
| 21:04.21 | Patlabor221 | linux has a number of difrent ways to do it |
| 21:04.28 | Patlabor221 | windows embeds an icon in the exe |
| 21:05.03 | greg1 | Patlabor221 : I see....I don't know Windows |
| 21:05.09 | Patlabor221 | There is a an Icon for windows, in CVS you could convert it to what ever your desktop environ uses. |
| 21:05.33 | greg1 | Patlabor221 : cooool, thank you |
| 21:06.31 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:06.48 | greg1 | is it also present in the tarball ? |
| 21:07.39 | Patlabor221 | yes it should be |
| 21:07.43 | Patlabor221 | in the win32 folder |
| 21:07.46 | Patlabor221 | the .ico file |
| 21:08.04 | greg1 | it should be in bmp format then... |
| 21:08.10 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 21:08.18 | Patlabor221 | windows dosn't use BMPs for icons |
| 21:08.22 | Patlabor221 | it's in ICO format |
| 21:08.48 | greg1 | ok, anyway, I do not have that in my win32 folder (1.7g0) |
| 21:09.31 | Patlabor221 | ohh my bad |
| 21:09.41 | Patlabor221 | it's in src/bzflag/ |
| 21:09.44 | Patlabor221 | bzflag.ico |
| 21:09.48 | greg1 | thx |
| 21:10.11 | greg1 | I see a bzflag.bmp here :) |
| 21:10.18 | Patlabor221 | that's not the icon |
| 21:10.40 | greg1 | ah no |
| 21:10.43 | greg1 | not really |
| 21:10.46 | Patlabor221 | it was something I made LONG ago, that was never used but somehow got stuck in CVS |
| 21:10.55 | Patlabor221 | it was for the start server GUI |
| 21:11.22 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/bzflag.gif |
| 21:11.29 | Patlabor221 | I converted the icon if you want it. |
| 21:11.41 | greg1 | let's see |
| 21:11.47 | Patlabor221 | crap that's the wrong one |
| 21:11.48 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 21:12.02 | greg1 | artemisgames.com |
| 21:12.11 | greg1 | oops, wrong keyboard... |
| 21:13.05 | greg1 | hey, nice site |
| 21:13.10 | Patlabor221 | www.artemisgames.com/bzflagicon.gif |
| 21:13.16 | Patlabor221 | that's the correct one |
| 21:14.03 | greg1 | thx, I'll try to make something with the little tanks I see on buttons |
| 21:15.31 | *** join/#bzflag TSI (~50b115c0@203.194.240.139) |
| 21:34.11 | Patlabor221 | well Time to figure out how to make a patch. |
| 21:34.41 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.137) |
| 21:36.28 | Patlabor221 | and there is the MAC himself |
| 21:46.30 | Patlabor221 | hmmm MAC it looks like I may have sent you some slightly older code |
| 21:48.39 | MrApathyCream | i saw no flare |
| 21:49.19 | MrApathyCream | i think the missile is a lil too small now |
| 21:50.40 | MrApathyCream | chat needs a BUZZ feature, ala yahooim |
| 21:56.44 | Patlabor221 | yes I think you had old code |
| 21:56.48 | Patlabor221 | I am fixing up now |
| 21:57.10 | Patlabor221 | I will merge the stuff into CVS and try to fix the color thing |
| 21:57.21 | Patlabor221 | then send to you for uglification and pachify |
| 21:57.31 | Patlabor221 | or if you don't want to uglify |
| 21:57.35 | Patlabor221 | that's fine by me |
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| 22:01.32 | *** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-0-49.stny.rr.com) |
| 22:01.43 | calico | ~bzflag6 |
| 22:02.23 | calico | ~ducati6 |
| 22:10.44 | Jormungandr | man... new server is full and NO lag. |
| 22:10.45 | Jormungandr | w0000 |
| 22:14.15 | MrApathyCream | be glad to |
| 22:14.38 | Patlabor221 | now I just need to find the right cod |
| 22:14.42 | Patlabor221 | code |
| 22:14.51 | Patlabor221 | ohh no theraflu kickin in |
| 22:14.55 | Patlabor221 | this is gonna be fun |
| 22:20.11 | *** join/#bzflag Augustine (~brandon@h-69-3-48-79.DNVTCO56.covad.net) |
| 22:23.17 | MrApathyCream | SOLD! |
| 22:23.32 | doughecka | Mmmm |
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| 22:25.35 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: your coding kwerks are very similar to mine... altho not at all like bz :( |
| 22:26.49 | Patlabor221 | well bz is based on anchent backwards practices when compilers sucked, and screens were tiny |
| 22:26.56 | Patlabor221 | if (){ |
| 22:26.56 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 22:27.02 | Patlabor221 | is just lame |
| 22:27.05 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 22:27.14 | MrApathyCream | i don't do oThingy tho |
| 22:27.20 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 22:27.29 | MrApathyCream | iPart i do, just not o or a |
| 22:27.29 | Patlabor221 | I do cus we do that at work |
| 22:27.37 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 22:27.38 | Chestal | o, a, i? |
| 22:27.44 | Patlabor221 | i = int |
| 22:27.44 | MrApathyCream | object array int |
| 22:27.47 | Patlabor221 | b = bool |
| 22:27.49 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 22:27.54 | Chestal | hungarian notation? Most evil thing I've ever seen |
| 22:27.54 | Patlabor221 | trunkated hungarian |
| 22:28.01 | Patlabor221 | the full one yes |
| 22:28.05 | Patlabor221 | that's why we just use 1 char |
| 22:28.15 | Patlabor221 | any more and it's not worth it |
| 22:28.27 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: plus you leave spaces after ( and before ) as do i |
| 22:28.36 | MrApathyCream | i drive chestal nuts with that ;) |
| 22:28.37 | Chestal | I use less spaces than bz does |
| 22:28.44 | Patlabor221 | yes easer to see what is in what |
| 22:29.18 | Patlabor221 | tho with my new bracket highlight tool it's not that bad |
| 22:29.33 | MrApathyCream | (80 rows however)... hmmm, perhaps chestal should rotate his monitor |
| 22:29.40 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:29.47 | Chestal | my xterms are all 98x70 |
| 22:29.57 | Patlabor221 | MAC have you ever used visual assist? |
| 22:30.45 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: no |
| 22:31.00 | Patlabor221 | ohhh, it's realy neat. |
| 22:31.06 | MrApathyCream | bracket hilite? built into vc, no? |
| 22:31.07 | Patlabor221 | it's an intellisense plugiun |
| 22:31.13 | Patlabor221 | VA does it |
| 22:31.25 | Chestal | luckily, my editor's auto formatting is close to bzflag style |
| 22:31.42 | MrApathyCream | chestal is constantly fixing where i've sinned |
| 22:31.47 | Patlabor221 | does all kinds of little things like more color coding, beacked hihglight, better auto complete |
| 22:32.01 | Patlabor221 | even in your own classes, you get auto complete with it. |
| 22:32.13 | Chestal | but IMHO if (a>b && b>c) is easier to read then if ( ( a > b) && ( b > c ) ) |
| 22:32.28 | MrApathyCream | no should be if (( a > b ) && ( b > c )) |
| 22:32.44 | Chestal | dumb those extra paranthesis |
| 22:32.52 | Chestal | eh, dump |
| 22:32.58 | Patlabor221 | when you have more complex statemnest then it helps |
| 22:33.15 | Chestal | yes, in some cases I prefer to use superfluos (), but not here |
| 22:33.29 | MrApathyCream | no question it's if (a > (b && b) > c) |
| 22:33.30 | Chestal | there are some cases where it's hard tto remember operator precedence |
| 22:33.36 | MrApathyCream | which of course is obvious here, but.... |
| 22:33.54 | Patlabor221 | do it all the time, your never burned. |
| 22:34.02 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 22:34.06 | Chestal | makes code harder to read |
| 22:34.15 | MrApathyCream | what i don't get is, why not this then |
| 22:34.18 | MrApathyCream | void myfunc() { |
| 22:34.19 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 22:34.22 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 22:34.24 | MrApathyCream | but that never seems to be done |
| 22:34.35 | Chestal | I'm not a fan of this style |
| 22:34.38 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: i do that |
| 22:34.43 | Chestal | I always put brackets on a lien of their own |
| 22:34.45 | MrApathyCream | at least your consistent |
| 22:34.51 | Chestal | but it doesn't bug me either way |
| 22:34.56 | Patlabor221 | they belong in a line by thgere own |
| 22:35.05 | MrApathyCream | but most folks who do the lbracket thingy don't do it for functions (ala bz) |
| 22:35.10 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 22:35.18 | MrApathyCream | they should line up vertically |
| 22:35.36 | Chestal | if you're with M$, you'd have to write |
| 22:35.39 | Chestal | for (;;) |
| 22:35.41 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.45 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.46 | Chestal | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.57 | Chestal | proton: what's so das? lost your super powers? |
| 22:35.58 | Patlabor221 | why capy? |
| 22:36.04 | Chestal | s/das/sad/ |
| 22:36.05 | captain_proton | my mouse died :( |
| 22:36.14 | Chestal | eaten by cat? |
| 22:36.17 | MrApathyCream | if you want to do the bracket thingy, do this |
| 22:36.21 | Patlabor221 | organic or synthetic? |
| 22:36.23 | MrApathyCream | if (true) { |
| 22:36.27 | captain_proton | synthetic |
| 22:36.29 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.33 | captain_proton | this being my expensive wireless optical |
| 22:36.35 | MrApathyCream | silly but at least they line up |
| 22:36.41 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 22:36.43 | Chestal | no, they don't |
| 22:36.47 | Chestal | they're off one character :-) |
| 22:36.48 | MrApathyCream | well, you get the point |
| 22:37.10 | Patlabor221 | cap, waranty? |
| 22:37.40 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: other than /countdown are you happy for a g2 go? |
| 22:37.47 | MrApathyCream | or want more testing. |
| 22:37.54 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: maybe, i'll have to look at the crap that came with it |
| 22:38.10 | Patlabor221 | how old is it? |
| 22:38.14 | Chestal | MAC: only thign that peopel reported is a bug where obviously a crashign client does not get cleaned up correctly |
| 22:38.31 | Chestal | MAC: crashing player had a team flag, which got lost this way |
| 22:38.55 | Chestal | but I think this migh tbe an odl bug, unless the changes which were done for the CLOSE_WAIT stuff are related |
| 22:38.55 | MrApathyCream | to others the player loooks domed? |
| 22:39.00 | Jormungandr | oh... that problem with the NAT and 3 people only happened when one of us was in observer mode. |
| 22:39.14 | Chestal | MAC: not sure, I wasn't there. If I understand it corectly, the player doesn't show at all |
| 22:39.19 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 22:39.20 | Chestal | maybe only in /playerlist |
| 22:39.31 | Chestal | but I cannot say anything definite |
| 22:39.32 | MrApathyCream | sounds old |
| 22:39.54 | Chestal | I think there are 1 or 2 new bzfs options which are not docuemnted |
| 22:40.10 | Chestal | -badword isn't |
| 22:40.27 | Chestal | is the {} syntax for flags? |
| 22:40.30 | Chestal | in the man pages? |
| 22:40.49 | Chestal | same probably applies to client changes |
| 22:40.51 | Jormungandr | have been super busy with my colo stuff. |
| 22:40.53 | Patlabor221 | ohh my theraflu REALY cickin in now, can't feel leegs |
| 22:41.22 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: yeah, prolly should go thru history and see what were missing |
| 22:41.36 | Jormungandr | we had 15-20 people on server earlier, and most were under 130ms, many under 100. |
| 22:41.48 | Chestal | I would even accept changes to the manpage without doign more testing :-) |
| 22:41.55 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:42.02 | Chestal | eh, fries |
| 22:42.04 | MrApathyCream | you're getting lax |
| 22:42.37 | Jormungandr | just need a decent map for it now. spirals is okay, just not great. |
| 22:42.44 | Chestal | this NAT issue needs some thought, but I guess it's easiest to fix when we change the protocol |
| 22:43.00 | Chestal | I actualyl forgot about the croissants |
| 22:43.02 | Patlabor221 | what is wrong with NAT? |
| 22:43.04 | Chestal | but I wil have some tomorrow |
| 22:43.17 | Chestal | when several peopel are behidn the same NAT router and join at the same time, strangeness can occur |
| 22:43.21 | MrApathyCream | the duck has still been eating them |
| 22:43.24 | Chestal | because the server mgiht get the prots confused |
| 22:43.32 | Jormungandr | Pat, we have 3 people at our house. when all 3 connect to server sometimes it gets confused. |
| 22:43.34 | Patlabor221 | make sense |
| 22:43.44 | Chestal | would be easy to fix with a new protocol |
| 22:43.48 | Patlabor221 | I connect 2 machines at the same time, and it seems to work |
| 22:43.57 | Jormungandr | especially if one of is in observer mode. |
| 22:44.05 | Jormungandr | it works most of the time with 2. |
| 22:44.09 | Jormungandr | we add third and it gets sticky. |
| 22:44.12 | Chestal | the problems I see with Storm+Terminator is that their lagstats are nonsense sometime |
| 22:44.27 | Chestal | and they seem to be a bit jumpy in that case, but I migh tbe imagining it |
| 22:44.28 | Jormungandr | but mostly with one in observer. |
| 22:44.41 | Chestal | I wonder what happens with observer, because it will never send a UDP packet |
| 22:44.48 | Jormungandr | well, server is open to any developer wanting to test stuff on it. |
| 22:44.49 | Chestal | probably this gets the server even more confused |
| 22:44.56 | Jormungandr | for bzfs, etc. |
| 22:46.10 | MrApathyCream | dont operate haevy equipment |
| 22:46.11 | Chestal | Jorm: whcih server are you running? |
| 22:46.18 | MrApathyCream | dragon |
| 22:46.23 | Chestal | hmm |
| 22:46.25 | Jormungandr | bzflag.secretplace.us |
| 22:46.27 | Jormungandr | and dragon.org |
| 22:46.39 | Chestal | I don't dare to fire up bzflag at home, I lost hardware GL |
| 22:46.45 | Jormungandr | bzflag.secretplace.us is the one I have been saying I'm bringing up on super fast connection. |
| 22:46.54 | Jormungandr | it's 100mb to backbone. |
| 22:47.04 | Chestal | is it a useful server or one with >4 shots? :-) |
| 22:47.06 | Jormungandr | cuz it's on nice OC connection. |
| 22:47.28 | Jormungandr | right now secretplace is running 10 shots, but I can always put up more servers on it. |
| 22:47.31 | Jormungandr | dragon.org is 2 shots |
| 22:47.41 | Jormungandr | I just wanted to test performance. |
| 22:47.46 | Jormungandr | and 10 shots let me do that. |
| 22:47.53 | Jormungandr | 20 people, no lag, except dialup weenies. |
| 22:47.55 | MrApathyCream | any one play momentum worlds? |
| 22:48.04 | Jormungandr | momentum worlds? |
| 22:48.05 | Chestal | I still cannot understand why peopel liek to play with an abundance of shots. I mean, ok, it's all pretty and colourful and makign a lot of noise |
| 22:48.12 | Chestal | ducati 5155 has inertia |
| 22:48.17 | Chestal | it's cool :-) |
| 22:48.21 | Chestal | but everyone hates it |
| 22:48.24 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 22:48.24 | MrApathyCream | right anyone play? |
| 22:48.37 | Chestal | it's stil lin testing phase with all flags |
| 22:48.42 | Chestal | probably should remove some of them |
| 22:48.43 | Jormungandr | I'm gunna put up a 2 shot server, prolly CTF on secretplace. |
| 22:48.48 | Chestal | GM might be too powerful |
| 22:48.51 | bzgirl | I like it now Ches |
| 22:49.18 | bzgirl | narrow is too powerful also :) |
| 22:49.22 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 22:49.38 | Chestal | bzgirl: probably, but I coudl actually shoot you several time swhen you had it today:_) |
| 22:49.41 | Jormungandr | brb... |
| 22:49.58 | Chestal | bzgirl: any thoughts on what to change in g1 for release? |
| 22:50.32 | Chestal | tim isn't alive, is he? |
| 22:51.10 | MrApathyCream | ibot, seen TimRiker |
| 22:51.10 | | timriker is currently on #uclibc (2h 51m 28s) #tuxscreen (2h 51m 28s) #zaurus (2h 51m 28s) #elinux (2h 51m 28s) #openembedded (2h 51m 28s) #handhelds.org (2h 51m 28s) #utah (2h 51m 28s) #bzflag (2h 51m 28s) #openzaurus (2h 51m 28s) |
| 22:52.40 | bzgirl | Chestal: the already adressed target boxes in obsrver mode, and maybe that out the window flag togle is all i see really |
| 22:52.53 | Chestal | ah, I forgot about the targwet boxes |
| 22:53.00 | Chestal | MAC: still unfixed I guess? |
| 22:53.05 | bzgirl | but only if roaming maybe |
| 22:53.39 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: target boxes in roaming? they're there by design in driving with leader |
| 22:53.45 | MrApathyCream | show up anywhere else? |
| 22:54.11 | Chestal | MAC: they're also there when in free roaming mode |
| 22:54.15 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 22:54.42 | MrApathyCream | dunno what tim had in mind. |
| 22:54.46 | MrApathyCream | that toggle flags in hud thing gives me a chuckle |
| 22:54.57 | Chestal | should be removed |
| 22:55.03 | Chestal | we need Tim for those grave decisions though :-) |
| 22:55.07 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:55.21 | MrApathyCream | really the worse thing about it is that it sucks down another key |
| 22:55.23 | Chestal | toggle shots would be nice on those 100 shot servers |
| 22:55.59 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 22:56.01 | Chestal | they're jsut distracting, especially when I'm using my invuln. cheat |
| 22:56.11 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 22:56.35 | MrApathyCream | is the jzaun hud patch a no go, then? |
| 22:56.46 | Chestal | II haven't tried it |
| 22:56.57 | Chestal | but I think it conflicts with some of the things that bzflag does now |
| 22:57.07 | Chestal | IIRC it isn't resizabke |
| 22:57.17 | MrApathyCream | no it's not resizable |
| 22:57.48 | MrApathyCream | seemed like tim had more than a passing interest in it tho |
| 22:58.01 | Chestal | maybe it can be enhanced |
| 22:58.10 | Chestal | well, it's not for g2 anyway I'd assume? |
| 22:58.30 | MrApathyCream | dunno, fine by me |
| 22:58.49 | Chestal | urgs, no, not another big change just befoer a release |
| 22:58.57 | Chestal | we got burned with e6 |
| 22:59.26 | MrApathyCream | fine if we push it off, i meant |
| 22:59.26 | Jormungandr | now it has a 10 shot and a 2 shot running. :) |
| 22:59.35 | Chestal | after g2, it will be interestign to see how the broken protocol thing will do |
| 22:59.54 | Chestal | will make it much harder to test the new code |
| 23:00.16 | Chestal | maybe we should try to release bianry snapshots for other paltforms then as well |
| 23:00.59 | MrApathyCream | if we have folks that can build for us |
| 23:01.01 | Chestal | we should make a roadmap |
| 23:01.05 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:01.20 | MrApathyCream | two points important to me: |
| 23:01.30 | MrApathyCream | (1) have multiple protocol breaking releases in a row |
| 23:01.31 | Chestal | my top priorities are: simplify the protocol a bit, palyer registry and authentication |
| 23:01.36 | MrApathyCream | (2) do them relatively quickly |
| 23:01.56 | Chestal | what will it be, 1.8? |
| 23:01.59 | Chestal | 1.8a0? |
| 23:02.00 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:02.02 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 23:02.09 | MrApathyCream | what the hey, how bout 2.0? |
| 23:02.31 | Chestal | whatever, the first version shoudl probably basically use the same protocol, but get rid of some of the nasty parts |
| 23:02.59 | Chestal | no more reconnect for TCP, UDP always for bulk messages (nor TCP option), 1 byte player ids |
| 23:03.17 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:03.17 | Chestal | shoudl be easy to do, we already had that in 1.8 I guess |
| 23:03.25 | MrApathyCream | totally agree |
| 23:03.30 | MrApathyCream | be back in 5 mins |
| 23:04.19 | Jormungandr | if there is anything, network wise, I can do to help, let me know. I'll be helping with man pages and docs, anyway. |
| 23:04.45 | Jormungandr | dragon.org will be moving later this week to new fast datacenter, as well. |
| 23:05.00 | Chestal | once g2 is out it would be good to gather the most pressing topics and maybe make a litle plan |
| 23:05.09 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:05.33 | Chestal | the whole authentication / player registry / karma thign has been discussed a lot, but it's still rather fuzzy |
| 23:05.48 | Jormungandr | the karma thing is confusing to me, too. |
| 23:06.13 | Chestal | karma can be added as a 2nd step, it builds upon authentication |
| 23:06.17 | Chestal | which uis useful in itself |
| 23:06.23 | Jormungandr | also... I'd like to connect a non-graphical bot/client to the server and be able to watch connections, ban/kick people, etc., from work. |
| 23:06.52 | Chestal | yes, a server console would be nice |
| 23:06.56 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:07.23 | Jormungandr | I'm happy I stirred interest in the config file. |
| 23:07.28 | Jormungandr | it's invaluable to me. |
| 23:07.36 | Chestal | hmm, I'm not using it |
| 23:07.38 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 23:07.46 | Jormungandr | I have people with shell access. |
| 23:07.49 | Chestal | I don't even know how it looks like, one optin per line? |
| 23:08.04 | Jormungandr | a 'ps -auwwx' shows them my password for server. |
| 23:08.08 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:08.23 | Jormungandr | take a look at the misc dir in the cvs. I wrote the sample config. |
| 23:08.25 | Chestal | I thnk Tim added some code which hides the password in ps |
| 23:08.29 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 23:08.30 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 23:08.46 | Jormungandr | still... it's handy, cuz each map can have a config, and I can tweak it really easily. |
| 23:09.03 | Jormungandr | some sort of config re-read and rehash might be cool, too. |
| 23:09.43 | Jormungandr | also... I get irritated by long command lines showing in ps. |
| 23:09.45 | Chestal | that would probably require a not so minor redesign of bzfs |
| 23:09.55 | Jormungandr | httpd was bad about that. |
| 23:10.05 | Jormungandr | probably. |
| 23:10.11 | Jormungandr | easier to just kill it and restart. |
| 23:10.39 | Chestal | MAC is late |
| 23:10.41 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:10.55 | Jormungandr | I'm looking for a good, free IP allocation tool. |
| 23:11.10 | Jormungandr | one of my projects, along with finishing qmail tweaks. |
| 23:11.52 | Chestal | IP allocation tool? what's that? |
| 23:12.27 | Jormungandr | a tool to help a large colo allocate ip numbers to customers. |
| 23:12.45 | Jormungandr | because IP number management is a bear. |
| 23:15.57 | Chestal | are you already doing much with v6? |
| 23:16.14 | Jormungandr | no. I am getting a tunnel, but haven't done anything with it yet. |
| 23:16.32 | Jormungandr | when bzflag does v6, I'll offer server space. :) |
| 23:16.38 | Chestal | coming along only slowly it seems |
| 23:16.46 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 23:16.56 | Jormungandr | my irc server will have a v6 address. |
| 23:17.19 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.190) |
| 23:19.24 | MrApathyCream | everyone leave? |
| 23:19.34 | Chestal | no, only you |
| 23:19.38 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 23:19.39 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 23:19.44 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 23:20.03 | Chestal | my computer is too slow |
| 23:20.16 | MrApathyCream | so yes, also with prot changes remove silly packets |
| 23:20.22 | MrApathyCream | like MsgScore |
| 23:20.37 | MrApathyCream | NsgCapture flag should prolly go too |
| 23:21.34 | MrApathyCream | can we et rid of MsgAcquireRadio, et. al? :) |
| 23:21.47 | MrApathyCream | MsgIdAck goes |
| 23:22.19 | MrApathyCream | MsgShotEnd should really go too |
| 23:22.32 | Chestal | when is shotend sent? |
| 23:23.01 | MrApathyCream | when a tank get's killed |
| 23:23.15 | Chestal | hmm, do super bullets stop on their first hit? |
| 23:23.21 | MrApathyCream | well, at least the client->server MsgShotEnd should be removed |
| 23:23.31 | MrApathyCream | not sure |
| 23:23.40 | Chestal | yes, it might have made sense as long as multicast was active |
| 23:24.18 | MrApathyCream | i'm guessing this code is in ....... playing.cxx? ;) |
| 23:24.34 | Chestal | I'd guess so |
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| 23:26.00 | MrApathyCream | so i guess each shot type does it different |
| 23:26.05 | MrApathyCream | SW prolly doesn't stop |
| 23:26.17 | MrApathyCream | but the server can easily discern this |
| 23:27.22 | Chestal | laser and sw aren't stopped |
| 23:27.27 | Chestal | super bullet seems to sto, though |
| 23:27.38 | MrApathyCream | are we going to (in the relatively near future, not necessarily the next build) control everything from server (whether tank is killed or not)? |
| 23:27.51 | Chestal | I don#t know |
| 23:27.59 | Chestal | we'd have to thnk very hard about that |
| 23:28.00 | MrApathyCream | or will that never happen due to difference between player view and server view |
| 23:28.03 | Chestal | it has its pros and cons |
| 23:28.22 | Chestal | if done in a straightforward matter, it will change the game |
| 23:29.02 | MrApathyCream | i must say tho, that whether a tank is actually hit or not, isn't exactly obvious now with lag |
| 23:29.27 | MrApathyCream | the diff i guess, is that now it's just others that look out of sink, |
| 23:29.33 | Chestal | its possible to be more clever with respect to lag |
| 23:29.37 | MrApathyCream | if we change it, it will be your hide that is out of sink |
| 23:29.49 | Chestal | I did some experiments soem tiem ago, which weren't quite successful, though |
| 23:30.16 | Chestal | yes, if server has the pwoer, than you can blow up, atlhough the shot seemed to miss you |
| 23:30.26 | Chestal | and palyers with low lag will have an advantage |
| 23:30.27 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 23:30.35 | MrApathyCream | yupyup, i'm against that :) |
| 23:30.47 | Chestal | right now it's more or less fair. When a player has lag, both parties suffer |
| 23:32.19 | MrApathyCream | experiments? as regards a governor on messages? |
| 23:32.32 | Chestal | I tried to compensate jitter in the client |
| 23:32.40 | Chestal | by adding timestamps to the UDP packets |
| 23:32.46 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 23:32.49 | MrApathyCream | yes, i recall that |
| 23:33.12 | Chestal | in theory, it should've worked :-) |
| 23:33.19 | Chestal | needs more work, I guess |
| 23:33.26 | MrApathyCream | parenthetic note here: drive with leader is an example allowing server to control everything |
| 23:33.31 | MrApathyCream | and it's jittery as all get out |
| 23:34.44 | Chestal | btw., next SUnday it's movie time |
| 23:34.53 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 23:35.00 | MrApathyCream | i'll bring the popcorn |
| 23:35.02 | Chestal | 'The Little Mole' is showing here :-) |
| 23:35.07 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 23:35.29 | MrApathyCream | is 'chestal' named for something other than the cold medicine? |
| 23:35.34 | Chestal | I guess they put all episodes with that cartoon character and made a movie out of it |
| 23:35.50 | Chestal | I didn#t know about the medidicne until some months ago |
| 23:36.01 | Chestal | its named after a character in a AD&D novel |
| 23:36.05 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 23:36.10 | Chestal | a kender |
| 23:36.46 | Chestal | I wonder how logn ths name has been used for the med.? |
| 23:37.19 | Chestal | well, I shoudl head to bed |
| 23:38.00 | Chestal | things to think about before releasng: /countdown, target box when roaming, flag toggle in main window, man pages |
| 23:38.03 | Chestal | good night |
| 23:38.08 | MrApathyCream | nite |
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