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| 00:37.24 | bzdoug_ | This comment is Unfunny |
| 00:51.40 | bzdoug_ | woo woo |
| 00:51.49 | bzdoug_ | tampa bay is winning |
| 00:54.20 | sussudio | like anyone cares |
| 00:54.27 | sussudio | poof-rugby |
| 00:54.43 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 00:55.07 | sussudio | "let's get all padded up and grab eachothers asses"... yeah real tough. |
| 00:56.15 | sussudio | pigball! |
| 00:56.24 | bzdoug_ | pigskin |
| 00:57.29 | bzdoug_ | they actully made a silk purse out of a pigs ear |
| 01:23.54 | sussudio | cvs bzflag just totally locked up on me |
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| 01:31.02 | sussudio | "gerfixs"? |
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| 02:16.19 | sussudio | hm pause doesnt timeout |
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| 02:58.46 | focus | dose anyone know where patlabor221 is? |
| 03:01.43 | sussudio | beating up doug? |
| 03:01.47 | sussudio | ~seen patlabor221 |
| 03:01.47 | | patlabor221 <~jeffm@adsl-67-114-228-96.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5h 37m 6s ago, saying: 'yup'. |
| 03:02.10 | scanline | ~seen captain_proton |
| 03:02.10 | | captain_proton is currently on #picogui (1d 14h 5m 32s) #bzflag (1d 14h 5m 32s). Has said a total of 100 messages. Is idling for 3h 33m 33s |
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| 04:03.49 | sussudio | this is getting annoying |
| 04:04.22 | sussudio | cvs bzflag crashed on me AGAIN |
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| 04:17.56 | fontenot | crashed? that sounds serious |
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| 04:20.45 | fontenot | LOL gates gives $200 million of his pocket change to combat world health problems |
| 04:21.16 | fontenot | coincidence that MS is trying to open new markets in 2nd and 3rd world countries? I think not. |
| 04:21.58 | sussudio | something that was changed in cvs in the last 2 weeks must be causing the crash because i've never had that before |
| 04:22.22 | sussudio | it just freezes up. totally. |
| 04:22.36 | sussudio | 2 times on cages |
| 04:23.33 | fontenot | is cages a map? |
| 04:24.01 | sussudio | yes |
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| 04:40.04 | Jormungandr | well, my schedule change might give me an extra day off this week. |
| 04:40.31 | Patlabor221 | extra is good |
| 04:41.06 | Jormungandr | I'll still work the same number of days in next pay period, so I won't loose money. |
| 04:41.50 | Patlabor221 | again good |
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| 06:26.28 | MrApathyCream | slow nite |
| 07:03.38 | Patlabor221 | it needs linification |
| 07:03.46 | Patlabor221 | but I did work on it today |
| 07:03.59 | MrApathyCream | can't an ugly bat do that? |
| 07:04.12 | Patlabor221 | it's allmost autoswitching back down to the old mode |
| 07:04.20 | Patlabor221 | I don't know what would have to change |
| 07:05.08 | Patlabor221 | getting acccess to the quality parameter was pissing me off today to no end. |
| 07:05.34 | MrApathyCream | renderer->useQuality()? |
| 07:06.11 | Patlabor221 | not everyone has access to sceneRenderer |
| 07:06.17 | Patlabor221 | it's not a global |
| 07:06.34 | Patlabor221 | and it seems like EVERYTHING is static |
| 07:07.19 | MrApathyCream | mm |
| 07:08.25 | Patlabor221 | and for some reason textures for shots are loaded in a shotStrat function |
| 07:08.37 | Patlabor221 | that dosn't set anything IN shotstrat |
| 07:08.51 | Patlabor221 | it's just a totaly bizare way of doing it |
| 07:09.05 | Patlabor221 | I have it working when you start up in low quality |
| 07:09.16 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 07:09.17 | Patlabor221 | just need to make it know that you changed the qual |
| 07:09.45 | Patlabor221 | it will also revert back to the old way if the model can not be found, you don't do textureing or blending |
| 07:10.12 | MrApathyCream | nice |
| 07:10.20 | Patlabor221 | well it wasn't easy |
| 07:10.30 | Patlabor221 | I touched a fiar amount |
| 07:10.40 | Patlabor221 | there wasn't a nice place to init and store the model |
| 07:10.48 | Patlabor221 | so I had to add a new globals File |
| 07:11.06 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 07:11.24 | Patlabor221 | since BZ hardcodes it's geo, it just keeps it with the class that is made for each shot/tank/whatever |
| 07:11.39 | Patlabor221 | for this I want to keep one model around and just draw it multiple times. |
| 07:12.41 | Patlabor221 | not how I would have done it at all. |
| 07:12.51 | Patlabor221 | still can't get the color stuff to work |
| 07:12.59 | MrApathyCream | odd |
| 07:13.17 | Patlabor221 | I have a good Idea why it dosn't work, I just can't find the "BZ" way to do it |
| 07:13.31 | Patlabor221 | I also make the rotation speeds variable |
| 07:13.38 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 07:14.35 | Patlabor221 | honestly I can't see the reason WHY the code was made the way it is, seems like it woudl be harder to make it they way it is now. |
| 07:14.52 | MrApathyCream | ~emulate BZFlag |
| 07:14.53 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 07:14.55 | Patlabor221 | but I guess it just snowballed from an SGI project, that's kinda what it seems |
| 07:15.14 | Patlabor221 | I wouldn't patch it, I would rewrite it, and just keep the logic. |
| 07:15.56 | Patlabor221 | I think it's past a rewrite, that's why 1.8 failed in my opinion |
| 07:16.20 | MrApathyCream | meaning we should just eat our dogfood? |
| 07:16.28 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 07:16.52 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't seem like Tim wants to make any large scale gameplay changes |
| 07:16.55 | Patlabor221 | and I can see why |
| 07:16.59 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:17.24 | Patlabor221 | soo if the life of the thing is just going to be some net fixes and simple GFX updates |
| 07:17.32 | Patlabor221 | then maybe it can be cramed in there. |
| 07:17.50 | Patlabor221 | and your not gonna get that many gfx updates, due to all the plats |
| 07:18.22 | Patlabor221 | but if you want to take it to the next level and make it something that could perhaps be more then it is now, There may be some benifit in a rewrite. |
| 07:18.44 | MrApathyCream | i doubt it will ever be rewritten... There's not enough developer buy - in |
| 07:18.54 | Patlabor221 | I've been working on some stuff that I'm trying to make as modular as posible, but still maintanable |
| 07:19.03 | Patlabor221 | and it could be made to play exactly like BZflag. |
| 07:19.13 | Patlabor221 | but it can also be made to play difrent. |
| 07:19.24 | Patlabor221 | and even suport both game types in the same exe. |
| 07:19.40 | Patlabor221 | without all kinds of hacks, #defs and the like |
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| 07:20.20 | Patlabor221 | yes I don't see anyone here busting thru the current BZ code on a rewrite binge |
| 07:20.33 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:20.46 | MrApathyCream | anything that's done, needs to go thru refactoring |
| 07:20.50 | MrApathyCream | that's all the spine we have |
| 07:21.26 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to make a system where if someone could they could replicate the game logic and graphical look tho. with relitive ease. |
| 07:21.38 | Patlabor221 | I allready have a world renderer |
| 07:21.55 | Patlabor221 | and I've made ents for all the BZ ents |
| 07:22.04 | Patlabor221 | it's got a menu system |
| 07:22.08 | Patlabor221 | a sound system |
| 07:22.22 | Patlabor221 | a platform system |
| 07:22.34 | Patlabor221 | something of a net system |
| 07:23.09 | Patlabor221 | plus plugin type classes for renderers, huds, gamelogics, skyboxes, and the like. |
| 07:23.29 | Patlabor221 | and the model classes |
| 07:24.00 | Patlabor221 | looking at the code now, I wonder how hard it's going to be to make zero the way I want it to be. |
| 07:24.40 | Patlabor221 | to do the plugin tank model system that me and Tim talked about is going to take alot of work in just the texture loader. |
| 07:25.02 | Patlabor221 | have to make it search subfolders, and then only load the ones that are used. |
| 07:25.17 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:25.39 | Patlabor221 | and it's soo decentalised in it's usage it's going to be a pain. |
| 07:25.55 | Patlabor221 | but If I rip it out and change it |
| 07:26.04 | Patlabor221 | then I have to change the gl state stuff |
| 07:26.38 | Patlabor221 | then I have to hit every single use of it in every single scene node. |
| 07:27.25 | Patlabor221 | both prospects are daunting tasks |
| 07:27.34 | MrApathyCream | i would think about how you can phase this in, so that you get the biggest bang in the first installment |
| 07:27.46 | MrApathyCream | if people see the wow, they may help |
| 07:27.47 | Patlabor221 | that's what I'm doing now |
| 07:27.56 | Patlabor221 | seeing what I can cram |
| 07:28.01 | MrApathyCream | but if you try to do everything yourself, you'll get frustrated, and give up |
| 07:28.08 | Patlabor221 | I can make the tank model external |
| 07:28.24 | MrApathyCream | document a plan for migrating to a better system |
| 07:28.29 | MrApathyCream | and others 'may' help |
| 07:28.41 | MrApathyCream | so long as you never get into a busted state |
| 07:28.43 | Patlabor221 | but the simplest thing is to make it work like it does now, everyone has the same tank |
| 07:28.47 | Patlabor221 | 1 texture per |
| 07:28.55 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:29.07 | MrApathyCream | So put together a 10 step plan, or whatever. |
| 07:29.17 | MrApathyCream | external models, then, then, then |
| 07:29.27 | Patlabor221 | see I don't know what is after that |
| 07:29.31 | MrApathyCream | If it takes a year so be it, as long as it's improving |
| 07:29.48 | Patlabor221 | soo much is interconected |
| 07:30.06 | MrApathyCream | put interfaces in to describe the interconnections |
| 07:30.09 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if one of the low level parts can be changed without geting into that busted state |
| 07:30.13 | MrApathyCream | so that they can be broken apart |
| 07:30.27 | MrApathyCream | (or at least document, this process) |
| 07:30.35 | Patlabor221 | I need to learn more about how BZ all works together |
| 07:30.41 | Patlabor221 | I'm geting a better picture |
| 07:30.44 | Patlabor221 | but I still don't have it all |
| 07:31.02 | Patlabor221 | the glstate stuff still elludes me |
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| 07:31.13 | bomber | moin |
| 07:31.19 | MrApathyCream | yeah, i haven't done much in the gl-bowels |
| 07:31.29 | MrApathyCream | and only copy/paste stuff |
| 07:31.51 | MrApathyCream | bomber: lo |
| 07:31.54 | Patlabor221 | I know how GL works, so I know what BZ must do. |
| 07:32.04 | Patlabor221 | I just need to find out where it does it. |
| 07:32.28 | Patlabor221 | the most help would be if I could get Tim to let us remove some of the render options |
| 07:32.31 | Patlabor221 | simplefy it |
| 07:32.43 | Patlabor221 | like it's rare to do textureing and NOT blending. |
| 07:32.52 | Patlabor221 | or just nearest |
| 07:33.37 | Patlabor221 | I'd like to see it cut down to textures y/no texture quality high/low and shadows |
| 07:34.17 | Patlabor221 | BZ is using glmaterials now, but nothing seems to realy set a material. |
| 07:34.32 | Patlabor221 | it's like to remove that, go to just regular vertex colors |
| 07:34.43 | Patlabor221 | and perhaps calc it's own lighting |
| 07:35.00 | Patlabor221 | that would speed up the geo sort like crasy |
| 07:35.21 | Patlabor221 | then also only depth sort the transperant stuff. |
| 07:35.46 | Patlabor221 | but that woud touch a LOT |
| 07:36.20 | Patlabor221 | then it would be realy easy to let each object set it's own material set |
| 07:36.20 | MrApathyCream | i think first step is to modify existing code to make it more modular, not necessarily have new stuff. |
| 07:36.23 | MrApathyCream | course that is borin |
| 07:36.29 | MrApathyCream | so you have to mix in what you can |
| 07:36.30 | Patlabor221 | yes I agree |
| 07:37.09 | Patlabor221 | first I would put the texture stuff in a bind/free type API and get everyone using it. |
| 07:38.01 | MrApathyCream | good |
| 07:38.02 | Patlabor221 | the bigest thing I hate is how tings like the sceneNodes are all derived off a base, but are never realy called as the base. |
| 07:38.09 | Patlabor221 | allways called as the derived. |
| 07:38.10 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:38.19 | Patlabor221 | it's very badly done. |
| 07:39.02 | Patlabor221 | I'd do it where all objects that can "move" would be based on a base class |
| 07:39.16 | Patlabor221 | the game loop would just have a list of base classes. |
| 07:39.21 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:39.22 | Patlabor221 | and each object would know what it does. |
| 07:39.30 | MrApathyCream | wow what a concept. |
| 07:39.33 | Patlabor221 | each shot would have it's shot strat |
| 07:39.34 | MrApathyCream | we should name it something |
| 07:39.47 | MrApathyCream | manychanges or something like that |
| 07:39.56 | Patlabor221 | how bout something with "object" in it. |
| 07:39.56 | MrApathyCream | hmm, something more academic |
| 07:39.59 | MrApathyCream | polychanges |
| 07:40.04 | MrApathyCream | manymorphic |
| 07:40.15 | MrApathyCream | bah, there's nothing good, oh well |
| 07:40.25 | Patlabor221 | that's how my world class does it. |
| 07:40.35 | Patlabor221 | the world just has a list of baseObjects |
| 07:40.42 | Patlabor221 | and they all know what they have to do |
| 07:40.47 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 07:40.55 | Patlabor221 | you ask them if this "thing" hit them |
| 07:41.00 | Patlabor221 | they say yes or now |
| 07:41.10 | Patlabor221 | and it's done with a nice factory |
| 07:41.19 | Patlabor221 | so they are all just registerd by name |
| 07:41.28 | Patlabor221 | want to add a new object type |
| 07:41.39 | MrApathyCream | derive and register |
| 07:41.42 | Patlabor221 | just put it in the map, make the class, register it, and there you go |
| 07:41.42 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:41.52 | Patlabor221 | hell they could even be put into DLLs |
| 07:42.01 | MrApathyCream | 'so' s |
| 07:42.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:42.05 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 07:42.24 | Patlabor221 | map updates with out a new version, what an idea |
| 07:42.50 | Patlabor221 | and it's all set up to ignore data it dosn't understand |
| 07:43.19 | Patlabor221 | I also can't understand why BZ uses soo much bandwith |
| 07:43.22 | Patlabor221 | what is it doing? |
| 07:43.44 | MrApathyCream | well, certainly old clients are sending WAY to much data |
| 07:43.54 | MrApathyCream | plus, packets need to be combined |
| 07:43.59 | Patlabor221 | as in just updates per sec? |
| 07:44.03 | MrApathyCream | we're sending zillions of 30 byte messages |
| 07:44.14 | MrApathyCream | updates used to be based on framerate |
| 07:44.37 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 07:44.43 | Patlabor221 | when was it changed? |
| 07:44.49 | MrApathyCream | now there is a governer (e6) |
| 07:44.56 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 07:45.02 | Patlabor221 | well I even mean e6 |
| 07:45.04 | Patlabor221 | and g0 |
| 07:45.35 | MrApathyCream | MsgPlayerUpdate message dwarfs all others, i believe |
| 07:46.05 | Patlabor221 | I did see the test to see if prediction was correct or not. |
| 07:46.55 | Patlabor221 | I guess the bigest thign that pissed me off today was shotStrategy:init() |
| 07:46.59 | Patlabor221 | it loads the textures |
| 07:47.07 | Patlabor221 | what does that have to do with drawing? |
| 07:47.17 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:47.30 | MrApathyCream | go ahead and break it apart. |
| 07:47.33 | Patlabor221 | and worse it's never called in an instance of a class |
| 07:47.42 | Patlabor221 | ShotStrategy::init() |
| 07:47.46 | Patlabor221 | right in playing. |
| 07:47.59 | Patlabor221 | so I can't check or set anyting |
| 07:48.20 | Patlabor221 | makes me wonder why they did that, and not just a global? |
| 07:48.30 | Patlabor221 | or just some stuff in playing |
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| 07:48.42 | Patlabor221 | someone thought that THAT was a good idea. |
| 07:48.45 | MrApathyCream | C++ was relatively new in 93 :) |
| 07:49.01 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 07:49.12 | Patlabor221 | but there are other things that are done C style |
| 07:49.14 | Patlabor221 | why not this. |
| 07:49.27 | Patlabor221 | maybe texturing game later |
| 07:49.33 | Patlabor221 | and was done by someone else |
| 07:49.39 | MrApathyCream | perhaps |
| 07:50.09 | Patlabor221 | and I can't figure out why Tim dosn't want to let the model class just read in 4 difrent formats. |
| 07:50.15 | Patlabor221 | it's all automatic |
| 07:50.28 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 07:50.48 | Patlabor221 | sucks cus there is not any 1 PERFECT format ether |
| 07:51.01 | Patlabor221 | at least that's not a standard |
| 07:51.11 | MrApathyCream | yeah, and he wants a standard one |
| 07:51.19 | Patlabor221 | a3d does everything that the class can do. |
| 07:51.25 | Patlabor221 | there just isn't one |
| 07:51.34 | Patlabor221 | Ive been looking for years |
| 07:51.43 | MrApathyCream | a3d is yours, yes/ |
| 07:51.44 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 07:51.48 | Patlabor221 | or I should say none that arn't closed |
| 07:51.50 | Patlabor221 | yes it's mine |
| 07:51.58 | Patlabor221 | it's a dump of the class data. |
| 07:52.09 | Patlabor221 | so the class will read and write it. |
| 07:52.23 | Patlabor221 | and has tools to fill in the missing parts from the other formats |
| 07:52.29 | Patlabor221 | then save as a3d |
| 07:52.47 | MrApathyCream | publish it on sf, and tim will like it better ;) |
| 07:53.00 | Patlabor221 | I told him I would make a converter |
| 07:53.07 | Patlabor221 | he seemed to be ok with BZG |
| 07:53.16 | Patlabor221 | and it was basicly his own format |
| 07:53.36 | Patlabor221 | it used XML for the formating but the internal data items were bz specific. |
| 07:53.56 | Patlabor221 | hell the class allready is a converter |
| 07:54.07 | Patlabor221 | I started it as a BZG converter |
| 07:54.36 | Patlabor221 | a3d even supports named animation sequences and frame events |
| 07:54.41 | Patlabor221 | it's REALY cool :) |
| 07:55.42 | Patlabor221 | could make a walking tank |
| 07:55.54 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 07:56.06 | Patlabor221 | and the class could look for sequences named walkForward, walkBack, Jump |
| 07:56.08 | Patlabor221 | ect.. |
| 07:56.27 | Patlabor221 | and then play them at the apropriate time |
| 07:56.46 | Patlabor221 | and the model could put events in the anims like "footfall" |
| 07:56.53 | Patlabor221 | and the class would tell you when that happend |
| 07:57.03 | Patlabor221 | and it could triger a sound |
| 07:57.11 | MrApathyCream | thats really nice |
| 07:57.17 | Patlabor221 | it allso supports "tags" |
| 07:57.26 | Patlabor221 | kinda like an atatchement point |
| 07:57.29 | Patlabor221 | in the model |
| 07:57.39 | Patlabor221 | that can move with the animation |
| 07:57.52 | Patlabor221 | so you could get the atatchement point for like the flag |
| 07:58.09 | Patlabor221 | and if say the walking model tilted as it walked, the flag would tilt with it |
| 07:58.14 | Patlabor221 | all this is allready done |
| 07:58.15 | Patlabor221 | it's in there. |
| 07:58.36 | Patlabor221 | I plan on using the tags for the tank models |
| 07:58.45 | Patlabor221 | for shot location |
| 07:58.48 | Patlabor221 | and flag atchement. |
| 07:59.29 | Patlabor221 | I decided to NOT put the explostion code in the model class tho |
| 07:59.47 | Patlabor221 | I may make a "exploder" class that takes a model refrence. |
| 07:59.56 | MrApathyCream | sounds rite |
| 08:00.15 | Patlabor221 | since I don't want to dupe the model for each tank. |
| 08:00.57 | Patlabor221 | I even looked into seeing what it would take to replace the smoke trail on the GM |
| 08:01.01 | Patlabor221 | and that's no easy |
| 08:01.10 | Patlabor221 | have to make a new exposion type |
| 08:01.18 | Patlabor221 | and change the exposion list |
| 08:01.30 | Patlabor221 | and then net protocoll to send the type |
| 08:01.32 | MrApathyCream | ah yes, |
| 08:01.51 | Patlabor221 | since it's just a little set of explostions. |
| 08:01.55 | MrApathyCream | i guess there's only one explosion (3 sizes) |
| 08:01.59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:02.18 | MrApathyCream | diff explosions would be nice |
| 08:02.19 | Patlabor221 | looks like that was added later then inital release |
| 08:02.33 | MrApathyCream | (SR), (SW) |
| 08:02.35 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 08:02.54 | Patlabor221 | should be just turned into a general particle system |
| 08:03.07 | Patlabor221 | then each system could be registerd as a type |
| 08:03.23 | Patlabor221 | so you could have N shot expostions |
| 08:03.28 | Patlabor221 | or what have you. |
| 08:03.44 | Patlabor221 | and they would be difrent from smoke trails |
| 08:04.02 | Patlabor221 | or say zaps off a SW |
| 08:04.06 | Patlabor221 | or a teleport |
| 08:04.20 | Patlabor221 | or a puff of dust from a tank jump or land |
| 08:04.30 | MrApathyCream | nifty |
| 08:04.55 | Patlabor221 | current explostions would just be systems with 1 animated billboard particle |
| 08:05.53 | Patlabor221 | guess I'm just ticked because I have allmost all this allready implemented in another system allready |
| 08:05.58 | Patlabor221 | and it's cross plat too |
| 08:07.45 | Patlabor221 | well I think that's enough ranting for one day |
| 08:08.41 | Patlabor221 | I can post the code if you want to take a look at it |
| 08:08.42 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 08:08.54 | MrApathyCream | i'll wait till its pretty :) |
| 08:09.01 | MrApathyCream | so i can make it ugly |
| 08:09.08 | Patlabor221 | I don't know if it's gonna get pretyer |
| 08:09.14 | Patlabor221 | just needs a couple more features |
| 08:09.22 | Patlabor221 | then it's ready |
| 08:09.37 | Patlabor221 | well I'm off to bed |
| 08:09.39 | Patlabor221 | have a good night |
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| 08:48.25 | PerfectCell | lo |
| 08:49.40 | scanline | fszqezqxad |
| 08:54.18 | PerfectCell | how does an .rgb image store its data? |
| 08:54.35 | PerfectCell | does it hav a header? |
| 08:54.42 | scanline | yes |
| 08:55.02 | scanline | It starts with "SGI_RGB" then 24 null characters |
| 08:55.14 | scanline | then the width, height, and color depth all as 16-bit numbers in big endian |
| 08:55.33 | PerfectCell | ican not view all .rgb from bzflag |
| 08:55.48 | scanline | they must be encrypted |
| 08:55.56 | scanline | if the 12th byte is nonzero, it's encrypted |
| 08:56.11 | PerfectCell | how can i view them then? |
| 08:56.19 | scanline | you need a decryptor |
| 08:56.28 | scanline | that 12th byte tells you what type of encryption it is |
| 08:56.45 | PerfectCell | why are some decrypted and most not? |
| 08:57.04 | scanline | Same reason some GIFs are compressed and some aren't: patents |
| 08:58.05 | PerfectCell | are they also available not encrypted somewher? |
| 08:58.21 | CaptainPistachio | 'fraid not |
| 08:58.25 | scanline | well no, that would defeat the purpose of the encrpytion of course |
| 08:58.55 | PerfectCell | then i have to grab it from the source |
| 08:59.13 | scanline | that would be illegal, because of the DMCA |
| 08:59.41 | scanline | Try US patent 6505299 |
| 08:59.44 | PerfectCell | that sucks |
| 09:09.28 | PerfectCell | how does the box wall texture scale to world units? |
| 09:10.09 | scanline | there's 64 world units per texel |
| 09:10.57 | PerfectCell | k |
| 09:12.05 | PerfectCell | oh are u sure; that menas 64x64 maps to 64^2x64^2 |
| 09:12.11 | PerfectCell | cant be |
| 09:12.38 | scanline | well, it depends on how far away you are |
| 09:12.42 | scanline | that doesn't account for mipmapping |
| 09:14.46 | PerfectCell | how big has box wall have to be(width and Height) to match atexture without tiling |
| 09:15.30 | scanline | 1.21 world units, correcting for temporal distortion |
| 09:15.55 | PerfectCell | or does bzflag not tile textures if it scales boxes have to look |
| 09:16.36 | scanline | do you have the tiling flag set? |
| 09:16.48 | PerfectCell | scanline: i think you want to fool me |
| 09:16.53 | scanline | of course not! |
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| 09:29.32 | bomber | hi pinguin |
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| 13:08.16 | bzgirl | hello |
| 13:09.15 | Secret_Hamster | lo |
| 13:10.39 | [dmp] | hi |
| 13:19.20 | [dmp] | chestal: I solved the two bugs from yesterday. So the list should be failrly correct now. I think the detail-page must become public, so i need to make it quicker. |
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| 13:28.08 | greg1 | Hi |
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| 13:36.50 | greg1 | Hi bzgirl, how are you ? |
| 13:37.19 | bzgirl | im fine thnks |
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| 14:17.14 | PerfectCell | exported to 3d studio max (textures used from bzedit for windows): http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecks.jpg |
| 14:17.54 | scanline | cute |
| 14:18.22 | scanline | can barely tell that it's textured at all though |
| 14:18.43 | PerfectCell | wait a sec |
| 14:23.14 | PerfectCell | try that: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecksin.jpg |
| 14:23.59 | PerfectCell | patlabor221's textures |
| 14:24.25 | scanline | you should try rendering it with radiosity |
| 14:24.49 | PerfectCell | patlabor221's pyrwalls are closer to water than in the original bzflag |
| 14:24.59 | PerfectCell | :) |
| 14:25.30 | PerfectCell | scanline: why, do you expect it to look more naturel |
| 14:25.45 | scanline | well, the lighting against that box for example looks really fake |
| 14:25.50 | scanline | radiosity would probably help |
| 14:26.13 | PerfectCell | the good thing i can also export |
| 14:26.24 | PerfectCell | so i make a level later today |
| 14:28.15 | scanline | are you any good at taking partial derivatives? :) |
| 14:28.43 | PerfectCell | easy for me |
| 14:29.04 | scanline | familiar with perlin noise functions? |
| 14:29.09 | PerfectCell | no |
| 14:29.35 | PerfectCell | is it recursive? |
| 14:29.43 | scanline | no |
| 14:29.47 | PerfectCell | good |
| 14:30.01 | scanline | lots of multiplication |
| 14:30.22 | scanline | hmm.. might have gotten it right this time |
| 14:30.48 | PerfectCell | then it should be easy: differentiation is handwork, integration is the art |
| 14:31.38 | scanline | well, the problem with this function is that it acts like a very complex piecewise function |
| 14:31.58 | scanline | thousands of cubic functions |
| 14:32.05 | PerfectCell | oh gove me the definition? |
| 14:32.13 | scanline | It's kind of long... |
| 14:32.16 | PerfectCell | i google |
| 14:32.25 | scanline | and I think I just got it working |
| 14:32.47 | PerfectCell | its for 3d textures isnt it? |
| 14:33.25 | scanline | that's one use for it... it has a ton of applications |
| 14:34.55 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/perlin_normalmap.png |
| 14:35.08 | PerfectCell | i make a really cool level with palms an a perfect cell statue |
| 14:35.26 | scanline | The top half is the perlin noise function in grayscale, the bottom half is a normalmap of the function's gradient |
| 14:35.46 | scanline | There are still some discontinuities... barely noticeable though |
| 14:37.06 | PerfectCell | so each component of the gradient vector is assigned a color respectivly |
| 14:37.26 | PerfectCell | (x,y,z)->(r,g,b) |
| 14:37.26 | scanline | yeah, that maps x,y,z to r,g,b |
| 14:37.32 | scanline | just for debugging |
| 14:38.36 | PerfectCell | the problem are the gradient discontinuities at som (x,y) positions? |
| 14:39.11 | scanline | They're at the grid points of the noise function at the fundamental frequency |
| 14:39.20 | scanline | shouldn't be a problem though |
| 14:39.58 | PerfectCell | you need that for terrain elevation? |
| 14:40.02 | scanline | no |
| 14:40.19 | PerfectCell | sky, water? |
| 14:40.36 | scanline | well, it could be used for pretty much anything, but in this case i'm using it for terrain lighting |
| 14:40.51 | PerfectCell | ah |
| 14:41.22 | PerfectCell | bzdoug_: awake so early? |
| 14:41.37 | bzdoug_ | 9:41? |
| 14:41.43 | PerfectCell | oh, where? |
| 14:41.53 | bzdoug_ | EST |
| 14:42.03 | PerfectCell | ok |
| 14:42.12 | PerfectCell | new york |
| 14:42.14 | bzdoug_ | kentucky |
| 14:42.16 | bzdoug_ | yah |
| 14:42.36 | bzdoug_ | ask scanline why hes up so early |
| 14:42.39 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 14:42.44 | scanline | I've been up all night |
| 14:42.44 | PerfectCell | patlabor221 still sleeping i quess |
| 14:42.51 | bzdoug_ | yah |
| 14:42.58 | bzdoug_ | it comes in at 11 |
| 14:43.00 | PerfectCell | scanline: how do you feel? |
| 14:43.10 | scanline | PerfectCell: just fine :P |
| 14:43.11 | bzdoug_ | ~lart CaptainPistachio |
| 14:43.14 | scanline | morning CaptainPistachio |
| 14:43.19 | bzdoug_ | moin!!!! |
| 14:43.28 | scanline | CaptainPistachio: I decided to completely rewrite the perlin noise code :) |
| 14:43.36 | scanline | CaptainPistachio: http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/perlin_normalmap.png |
| 14:43.51 | CaptainPistachio | nifty |
| 14:43.57 | scanline | no more cosine, and less multiplication, and less bugs |
| 14:44.03 | CaptainPistachio | =) |
| 14:44.25 | scanline | working on generating the normals using partial derivatives rather than a numeric approximation |
| 14:44.42 | PerfectCell | i need some potatopaffer now |
| 14:45.08 | PerfectCell | found that for the noise: http://freespace.virgin.net/hugo.elias/models/m_perlin.htm |
| 14:45.12 | bzdoug_ | I had some potato and egg and ham thing |
| 14:45.28 | PerfectCell | kewl |
| 14:45.51 | CaptainPistachio | eegh |
| 14:46.01 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 14:46.02 | CaptainPistachio | its like the people in this channel missed the last 8 years of the internet |
| 14:46.12 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 14:46.15 | CaptainPistachio | "kewl" has died the quick death it deserves |
| 14:46.38 | PerfectCell | excellent |
| 14:46.41 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
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| 14:47.43 | PerfectCell | currently i trying to get rid of the geometric noise in my tooth mods but that was pretty simle |
| 14:47.53 | PerfectCell | and you try to make noise , lol |
| 14:47.59 | scanline | tooth? |
| 14:48.45 | PerfectCell | http://www9.in.tum.de/seminare/oberseminar/semester/02-03/abstracts/Edelstein.html |
| 14:49.56 | scanline | "My name is Mike and i give you spoken tool tip assistance" <-- WTF? |
| 14:50.13 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 14:50.15 | PerfectCell | yes, i dont use tool tips, but spoken tool tips |
| 14:50.23 | scanline | ????????? |
| 14:50.28 | PerfectCell | with att natural voices |
| 14:50.33 | scanline | ?????????????????????? |
| 14:50.35 | PerfectCell | ms speech sdk |
| 14:50.41 | bzdoug_ | ???????????????????????????????????????? |
| 14:50.41 | scanline | ~kill PerfectCell |
| 14:50.50 | scanline | ~kill -QUICKLY PerfectCell |
| 14:51.01 | PerfectCell | ~kill |
| 14:51.02 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 14:51.02 | bzdoug_ | ~shutdown now |
| 14:51.13 | bzdoug_ | ~lart you |
| 14:51.42 | CaptainPistachio | what exactly is the usefulness of spoken tooltips |
| 14:51.53 | CaptainPistachio | at the sdk level anyways |
| 14:51.59 | CaptainPistachio | that should be a function of the underlying toolkit |
| 14:52.02 | PerfectCell | it is much longer than a tool text |
| 14:52.04 | CaptainPistachio | not something the programmer does |
| 14:52.31 | PerfectCell | it can be better explained wht happens if you pressa button |
| 14:52.48 | PerfectCell | you know |
| 14:52.57 | PerfectCell | its fun |
| 14:53.06 | PerfectCell | if the app talks to you |
| 14:53.52 | bzdoug_ | it needs AI |
| 14:54.00 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 14:54.31 | CaptainPistachio | PerfectCell: its not fun after the first 10 minutes of it |
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| 14:55.20 | bzdoug_ | no breakfast? |
| 14:55.24 | ak|ra | hi |
| 14:55.34 | bzdoug_ | MOIN!! |
| 14:56.33 | PerfectCell | i tell you a secret: if you compute a regualr parametrization of your terrain surface it has not to be a hightfield and you get different resolutionts(viewdependent refinment for free), by just evaluating the parametrization at lower/higher sample rate |
| 14:56.54 | bzdoug_ | yea... |
| 14:57.06 | PerfectCell | but its not easy to compute the parametrization, so be aware |
| 14:57.20 | scanline | PerfectCell: I'm not using a heightfield.. I mentioned a while ago that everything in this engine has CLOD |
| 14:57.43 | PerfectCell | cause you have to find one with minimal strech |
| 14:58.21 | PerfectCell | blobblob |
| 14:59.13 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 14:59.42 | bzgirl | :) |
| 15:08.00 | ak|ra | hi bzgirl |
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| 15:54.53 | bzdoug_ | oooh Phactorial |
| 15:55.03 | Phactorial | Hi bzdoug_ |
| 15:55.07 | Phactorial | bzdoug_: What? |
| 15:55.17 | bzdoug_ | long time since you been here |
| 15:55.24 | Phactorial | I know |
| 15:55.34 | Phactorial | Mainly due to some racist asses in here... |
| 15:55.39 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 15:56.06 | bzdoug_ | :) |
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| 15:56.24 | Phactorial | Atleast idle in the last channel ya joined ;) |
| 15:56.24 | bzdoug_ | hooter! |
| 15:56.28 | bzdoug_ | er, rooter! |
| 15:56.30 | Phactorial | bzdoug_: So, what's up? |
| 15:56.31 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 15:56.43 | rooter | I could have big... um, hooters |
| 15:56.46 | bzdoug_ | I was checking out all the channels you are joined |
| 15:56.52 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 15:56.57 | bzdoug_ | Phactorial: nothin much |
| 15:57.36 | bzgirl | rooter: what? |
| 15:58.16 | rooter | hooters? slang for tits, breast, boobs... must i go on |
| 15:58.33 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 15:59.04 | bzdoug_ | This comment is Unfunny |
| 15:59.38 | rooter | i don't have big hooters... thank god... They wouldn't match my big... feet |
| 15:59.38 | CaptainPistachio | *gasp* |
| 15:59.42 | CaptainPistachio | Phactorial: you're alive! |
| 15:59.46 | Phactorial | Hi CaptainPistachio |
| 15:59.54 | Phactorial | CaptainPistachio: Alive, well and busy.... |
| 16:00.00 | Phactorial | CaptainPistachio: So, how's life with you? ;) |
| 16:00.02 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 16:00.27 | CaptainPistachio | good, good |
| 16:01.30 | Phactorial | CaptainPistachio: What you been up to lately? Any interesting projects? That game of yours? |
| 16:01.35 | CaptainPistachio | yeah |
| 16:02.46 | Phactorial | IF you wish to be vague...mmk ;) |
| 16:03.10 | scanline | It's top secret :) |
| 16:03.48 | CaptainPistachio | TOP top secret |
| 16:03.51 | CaptainPistachio | STATE SECRET! |
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| 16:04.06 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 16:09.22 | [dmp] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:11.38 | Phactorial | I am sure it will be like your hyper OS, that was a huge success ;D |
| 16:11.51 | bzdoug_ | hahaha |
| 16:12.10 | WOPR | Would you like to play a nice game of chess? |
| 16:12.26 | scanline | Phactorial: the game actually has some code behind it... though it could use a plot, and some art... |
| 16:12.40 | CaptainPistachio | Phactorial: haha |
| 16:12.55 | Phactorial | "JetLine" or something? "Plane Trace", something like that ;) |
| 16:13.00 | Phactorial | "JetStream" <- that thing? |
| 16:13.13 | HAL | I cant let you do that |
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| 16:13.23 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 16:13.24 | CaptainPistachio | ~sud |
| 16:13.29 | | shut up doug |
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| 16:13.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:13.53 | sgi | hi |
| 16:14.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 16:14.24 | bzgirl | hello Tea |
| 16:14.28 | bzdoug_ | ih |
| 16:14.33 | bzgirl | and SGI |
| 16:14.38 | sgi | ah |
| 16:14.42 | sgi | better now |
| 16:14.49 | sgi | lunch time |
| 16:14.59 | bzdoug_ | CaptainPistachio: hmm |
| 16:15.08 | Phactorial | scanline: You mind if I maintain a FreeBSD port for picogui? It is lacking from the FreeBSD ports collection...I thought it would be in there |
| 16:15.16 | Phactorial | scanline: or is there a pending PR some where? |
| 16:15.16 | bzdoug_ | CaptainPistachio: why? |
| 16:15.30 | scanline | Phactorial: If it compiles under FreeBSD, sure |
| 16:15.46 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:16.16 | Phactorial | Hrm...mmk |
| 16:16.17 | CaptainPistachio | bzdoug_: because i'm running out of space in my case |
| 16:16.22 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 16:16.59 | CaptainPistachio | i have one open slot - if i pulled the bus out to an external box with a couple bridges, maybe 13 slots and a lot of hard drive mounts.... |
| 16:16.59 | Phactorial | CaptainPistachio: Do you remember 'MeHack'? |
| 16:17.04 | CaptainPistachio | Phactorial: uh, no |
| 16:17.13 | bzdoug_ | DROOY AEM SLGLF GLG HGMCY RGLD GG |
| 16:17.17 | Phactorial | Good |
| 16:17.19 | Phactorial | hahaha |
| 16:17.24 | Phactorial | CaptainPistachio: Do you still have the logs? |
| 16:17.28 | CaptainPistachio | lemme look |
| 16:17.34 | Phactorial | That was kind of fun CaptainPistachio ;) |
| 16:17.41 | Phactorial | Quite a successful 'project' if anything ;) |
| 16:18.34 | CaptainPistachio | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/ca/ |
| 16:18.38 | CaptainPistachio | bwahaha |
| 16:19.56 | bzdoug_ | haha |
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| 16:20.31 | sgi | i'm back |
| 16:20.52 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 16:20.52 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 16:21.10 | sgi | echoes |
| 16:21.17 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 16:21.44 | sgi | funny |
| 16:21.52 | sgi | bunny |
| 16:22.00 | sgi | tummy |
| 16:22.12 | bzdoug_ | heh |
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| 16:22.26 | bzdoug_ | bomber!!!!!!!! |
| 16:25.15 | sgi | no talk |
| 16:25.27 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 16:25.33 | sgi | wait wai |
| 16:25.35 | bzdoug_ | ~dict bomber |
| 16:25.46 | bzdoug_ | MMmmmm |
| 16:26.01 | bzdoug_ | a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and condiments) |
| 16:26.13 | sgi | cocktail |
| 16:26.22 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:27.13 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 16:27.14 | | tachyon |
| 16:27.23 | bzdoug_ | ~partical of the day |
| 16:27.28 | sgi | vodka,gin,martini,orange juice |
| 16:27.32 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:27.41 | bzdoug_ | ~particle of the day |
| 16:27.42 | | meson |
| 16:27.46 | sgi | and an ambulance |
| 16:27.54 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 16:27.55 | | graviton |
| 16:28.06 | bzdoug_ | humph |
| 16:28.18 | bzdoug_ | ~word of the day |
| 16:28.30 | sgi | good morning |
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| 16:28.40 | sgi | peace |
| 16:28.47 | bzdoug_ | GOOOOOOOOOOD MOOOORNING |
| 16:29.02 | sgi | vietnaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam |
| 16:29.37 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:29.51 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 16:29.52 | | hyperphoton |
| 16:29.55 | bzdoug_ | This comment is UnFunny |
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| 16:31.32 | sgi | slow |
| 16:31.57 | bzdoug_ | s |
| 16:31.57 | bzdoug_ | l |
| 16:31.58 | bzdoug_ | o |
| 16:31.59 | bzdoug_ | w |
| 16:32.53 | sgi | where are you bzdoug................ |
| 16:33.36 | bzdoug_ | earth |
| 16:33.44 | bzdoug_ | the finale frontier |
| 16:33.45 | sgi | sure |
| 16:34.10 | sgi | plantations |
| 16:35.33 | sgi | bye |
| 16:35.41 | bzdoug_ | cya sgi |
| 16:35.49 | bzdoug_ | 3 letter words |
| 16:36.23 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 16:36.24 | | charged antiphoton |
| 16:36.40 | bzdoug_ | ~particle of the day |
| 16:36.41 | | charged flux photon |
| 16:38.33 | bomber | good dictionary :o) |
| 16:38.40 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:38.47 | scanline | ~literal particle of the day |
| 16:38.48 | | particle of the day is <reply> (charged|inverse|hyper| ) (flux |anti)(neutron|meson|neutrino|quark|proton|electron|tachyon|graviton|photon) |
| 16:39.00 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 16:39.08 | bzdoug_ | ~literal ducatictf |
| 16:39.09 | | ducatictf is <reply> see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:39.10 | bomber | ~bzdoug |
| 16:39.11 | | the best |
| 16:39.15 | bomber | nmuhahaaa |
| 16:39.20 | bzdoug_ | Hi a large sandwich made of a long crusty roll split lengthwise and filled with meats and cheese (and tomato and onion and lettuce and condiments) |
| 16:40.44 | bzdoug_ | ~no, noodleroni is see bzfquery bzflag.noodleroni.com |
| 16:40.52 | bzdoug_ | ~noodleroni |
| 16:41.06 | bzdoug_ | usless piece of electrons |
| 16:41.14 | bzdoug_ | oh yay |
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| 16:46.33 | bzdoug_ | 'lo Patlabor221 |
| 16:46.53 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:48.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | whats the site from dmp? |
| 16:49.42 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 16:49.42 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 16:50.07 | bzdoug_ | ~no, jzaun is see jzaun.com:5155 |
| 16:50.12 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 16:50.12 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 16:50.29 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 16:50.32 | bzdoug_ | dumb bots |
| 16:50.37 | bzdoug_ | ~forget jzaun |
| 16:50.37 | | bzdoug_: i forgot jzaun |
| 16:55.18 | Patlabor221 | bosons, I vote bosons |
| 16:55.58 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d511328c.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 16:58.50 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun is see bzfquery jzaun.cm:5155 |
| 16:58.51 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 16:58.54 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 16:58.55 | | rumour has it, jzaun is see bzfquery jzaun.cm:5155 |
| 16:59.07 | bzdoug_ | ~forget jzaun |
| 16:59.07 | | bzdoug_: i forgot jzaun |
| 16:59.11 | sussudio | you dumbass |
| 16:59.24 | sussudio | ~literal ducatictf |
| 16:59.24 | | ducatictf is <reply> see bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:5156 |
| 16:59.42 | sussudio | ~jzaun is <reply> see bzfquery jzaun.com:5155 |
| 16:59.43 | | sussudio: okay |
| 16:59.46 | sussudio | ~jzaun |
| 16:59.49 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun is <reply> see jzaun..com:5155 |
| 16:59.50 | | ...but jzaun is already something else... |
| 16:59.53 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 16:59.53 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 16:59.58 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 17:00.12 | bzdoug_ | whats the s and p? |
| 17:00.26 | sussudio | ~literal bzflist |
| 17:00.35 | sussudio | hm |
| 17:00.37 | Chestal | servers and players? |
| 17:01.57 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 17:02.00 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 17:02.33 | bzdoug_ | ~happypenguin is <reply> see bzfquery happypenguin.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 17:02.34 | | okay, bzdoug_ |
| 17:02.39 | bzdoug_ | ~happypenguin |
| 17:03.12 | bzdoug_ | ~xmission is <reply> see bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 17:03.13 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 17:16.35 | Phactorial | Bye |
| 17:16.36 | *** part/#bzflag Phactorial (~Phactoria@212.46.37.180) |
| 17:22.44 | bzdoug_ | ~hashmark is <reply> bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net:17200 |
| 17:22.44 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 17:22.59 | bzdoug_ | ~no, hashmark is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net:17200 |
| 17:23.09 | bzdoug_ | ~hashmark |
| 17:23.09 | | bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net:17200 |
| 17:23.14 | bzdoug_ | sheesh |
| 17:23.20 | bzdoug_ | ~forget hashmark |
| 17:23.20 | | bzdoug_: i forgot hashmark |
| 17:23.27 | bzdoug_ | ~hashmark is <reply> see bzfquery bzflag.hashmark.net:17200 |
| 17:23.27 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 17:23.37 | bzdoug_ | ~hashmark |
| 17:26.51 | Secret_Hamster | ~pieceofpiss |
| 17:27.21 | bzdoug_ | you have to enter it in |
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| 17:27.37 | bzdoug_ | zone! |
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| 17:27.45 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks! |
| 17:28.04 | fiberchunks | ugh, damned web client |
| 17:28.09 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:28.41 | fiberchunks | whaz happenin today? I can only stay on a little bit, as I'm at work |
| 17:29.31 | fiberchunks | ~dict foo |
| 17:30.49 | fiberchunks | ~dict jargon file |
| 17:31.09 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 17:31.12 | bzdoug_ | nothing much |
| 17:31.25 | bzdoug_ | ~dict fubar |
| 17:31.42 | fiberchunks | can you define words for ibot, or is it hardcoded? |
| 17:31.51 | bzdoug_ | sorta |
| 17:31.59 | fiberchunks | sorta what? |
| 17:32.03 | bzdoug_ | ~fiberchunks is a moron |
| 17:32.04 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 17:32.10 | bzdoug_ | ~fiberchunks? |
| 17:32.10 | | methinks fiberchunks is a moron |
| 17:32.13 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 17:32.16 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 17:32.18 | bzdoug_ | ~forget fiberchunks |
| 17:32.18 | | bzdoug_: i forgot fiberchunks |
| 17:32.34 | bzdoug_ | ~fiberchunks is <action> spits on fiberchunks |
| 17:32.35 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 17:32.40 | bzdoug_ | ~fiberchunks |
| 17:32.40 | | ACTION spits on fiberchunks |
| 17:32.44 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:32.50 | bzdoug_ | ~forget fiberchunks |
| 17:32.50 | | i forgot fiberchunks, bzdoug_ |
| 17:32.51 | fiberchunks | ~sud |
| 17:32.51 | | shut up doug |
| 17:32.59 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 17:33.05 | sud | ~forget sud |
| 17:33.05 | | cannot alter locked factoids, sud |
| 17:33.13 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 17:33.14 | bzdoug_ | silly sussudio |
| 17:33.17 | bzdoug_ | ~sussudiooo |
| 17:33.17 | | the cow that went oink |
| 17:34.08 | fiberchunks | I sense a pointy-haired manager, must be off - ciao |
| 17:34.09 | bzdoug_ | wooooooo |
| 17:34.12 | bzdoug_ | cya |
| 17:34.14 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:34.15 | bzdoug_ | oops |
| 17:34.18 | bzdoug_ | ghaa |
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| 17:34.21 | *** mode/#bzflag [+oo CaptainPistachio Chestal] by calvino.freenode.net |
| 17:34.29 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:34.31 | bzdoug_ | whoops!!!! |
| 17:34.31 | *** mode/#bzflag [-o CaptainPistachio] by ChanServ |
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| 17:55.14 | making_paffer | lo |
| 17:55.38 | Secret_Hamster | hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really |
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| 17:58.12 | making_paffer | Patlabor221: who's textures are these? http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecksonfire.jpg lol |
| 17:59.36 | Patlabor221 | bzflags base textures it looks to be |
| 17:59.47 | Patlabor221 | do what are you going to do with this? |
| 17:59.49 | making_paffer | no your bzedit for windows |
| 18:00.02 | Patlabor221 | umm hate to tell you but I got those FROM bzflag |
| 18:00.12 | making_paffer | ok |
| 18:00.19 | Patlabor221 | tho the textureing on the Teleporter is wring |
| 18:00.23 | Patlabor221 | and you have no field |
| 18:00.51 | making_paffer | yes trifle |
| 18:01.21 | making_paffer | just have to add that to my 3d studio max importer script |
| 18:02.18 | making_paffer | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.02 | making_paffer | oh and i made an exporter script too(bzflag box maps to 3d studio box, bzpyramid to 3d max pyramid, bz teleport to 3d studio c-ext, teleport links to 3d studio object links) |
| 18:07.18 | making_paffer | just have to try my script with gmax |
| 18:21.13 | sussudio | anyone got a current cvs win32 bzf bin? |
| 18:46.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:47.07 | PerfectCell | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.35 | PerfectCell | little bit crappy |
| 18:57.16 | Patlabor221 | sussudio I can buid you one if you want. |
| 18:58.19 | sussudio | k |
| 18:58.41 | Patlabor221 | geting latest now |
| 19:02.26 | Patlabor221 | just the client? or client and server? |
| 19:03.22 | sussudio | client |
| 19:04.16 | Patlabor221 | just exe or exe and data folder? |
| 19:04.30 | sussudio | umm just exe i guess |
| 19:05.05 | Patlabor221 | I'll zip data folder too, just in case, I think they added some stuff. |
| 19:05.18 | sussudio | k |
| 19:05.56 | Patlabor221 | lets see if DCC willwork |
| 19:06.29 | sussudio | nope i'd have to turn +C off first |
| 19:06.42 | Patlabor221 | if not www.bakadigital.com/bz/g1/bzflag.zip |
| 19:06.43 | sussudio | mkay |
| 19:07.06 | Patlabor221 | I am nated so it may not DCC |
| 19:07.21 | sussudio | aww |
| 19:08.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah sometimes the nat sucks |
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| 19:33.08 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 19:33.09 | | inverse antiproton |
| 19:37.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 19:37.48 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 19:37.54 | scanline | ~particle of the day |
| 19:37.55 | | charged flux positrino |
| 19:40.26 | gonkulator | ~particle of the day |
| 19:40.27 | | charged antineutrino |
| 19:40.31 | gonkulator | ~particle of the day |
| 19:40.31 | | ionized flux proton |
| 19:41.45 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 19:44.16 | gonkulator | ~particle of the day |
| 19:44.17 | | ionized antiphoton |
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| 20:01.54 | bzdoug__ | yay |
| 20:02.00 | TimRiker | ~bxflist |
| 20:02.03 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 20:02.09 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 20:03.01 | bzdoug__ | how hard would it be to add a feature that a certain color would get a certain flag automagicaly? |
| 20:03.19 | gonkulator | bzdoug__: why don't you try to implement it yourself? |
| 20:03.20 | bzdoug__ | so blue gets SB and red gets OO and green gets highspeed |
| 20:03.37 | gonkulator | bzdoug__: that would be a good way to find out how hard it is |
| 20:03.37 | bzdoug__ | patches welcome |
| 20:03.40 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 20:03.46 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 20:03.53 | bzdoug__ | I was just wondering.... ;) |
| 20:06.18 | TimRiker | not too hard, just have the server do a GrabFlag for them on join |
| 20:10.37 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 20:10.40 | bzdoug__ | on the server side? |
| 20:10.48 | bzdoug__ | I would want it to be configureable |
| 20:11.22 | bzdoug__ | so green = laser red = ST blue = GM purp = V |
| 20:11.29 | bzdoug__ | or any other way |
| 20:14.28 | bzdoug__ | is hte current g0 version bzfs supports config files? |
| 20:14.44 | PerfectCell | putty? |
| 20:14.56 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 20:15.00 | bzdoug__ | SSH. |
| 20:15.04 | PerfectCell | Putty = puttylabor221 |
| 20:15.10 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 20:15.28 | PerfectCell | lol |
| 20:19.01 | PerfectCell | i have milkshape 1.6.5 |
| 20:19.24 | PerfectCell | another 30 days |
| 20:19.32 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 20:20.52 | bzdoug__ | ~dict ROTFLMAO |
| 20:21.29 | PerfectCell | rofl |
| 20:23.34 | bzdoug__ | ROTFLMAO!!! |
| 20:23.38 | PerfectCell | STFU |
| 20:23.51 | bzdoug__ | WTFM |
| 20:24.11 | PerfectCell | ROTFLMAOWPIMP |
| 20:24.21 | bzdoug__ | ~dict ROTFLMAOWPIMP |
| 20:24.27 | bzdoug__ | huh |
| 20:24.39 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict whizzer |
| 20:24.46 | Secret_Hamster | ~dict prat |
| 20:24.58 | Secret_Hamster | huh? |
| 20:25.16 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: hey organised any battles for the PwB |
| 20:25.21 | bzdoug__ | Rolling on the floor laughing my a** off while peeing in my pants |
| 20:25.31 | PerfectCell | rOLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHIN MY ARSE OFF WHILEPEEING IN MY PANTS == ROTFLMAOWPIMP |
| 20:25.36 | PerfectCell | UPS |
| 20:26.12 | bzdoug__ | PCMCIA = People can't master computer industry acronyms |
| 20:26.31 | bzdoug__ | PIBKAC |
| 20:26.45 | PerfectCell | RTFM |
| 20:27.00 | PerfectCell | RYO |
| 20:27.05 | Secret_Hamster | ETLA |
| 20:27.34 | sussudio | Secret_Hamster: no |
| 20:27.48 | Secret_Hamster | Anyone looking to play in the league. could do with another member |
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| 20:28.04 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 20:28.07 | PerfectCell | PIDA |
| 20:28.16 | Secret_Hamster | We have one pig (with blanket) and a hamster who can't see out the viewport |
| 20:28.17 | bzdoug__ | PDA |
| 20:28.27 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: ouch |
| 20:28.33 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: you shall loooose |
| 20:28.59 | Secret_Hamster | It's the playing not the winning |
| 20:29.02 | PerfectCell | PIMT |
| 20:29.11 | Secret_Hamster | PIMT? |
| 20:29.23 | Secret_Hamster | ~pida |
| 20:29.23 | PerfectCell | Pain In My Tummy |
| 20:29.34 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 20:29.38 | Secret_Hamster | ahh, too much/little beer |
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| 20:29.55 | Secret_Hamster | pida? |
| 20:29.57 | bzdoug__ | FMTYEWTK |
| 20:30.03 | [TeA|TrEE] | mornin |
| 20:30.08 | PerfectCell | Pain In Da Ass |
| 20:30.18 | bzdoug__ | Far more than you ever wanted to know |
| 20:30.37 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: TANSTAAFL |
| 20:30.41 | Secret_Hamster | SIE |
| 20:30.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal= |
| 20:30.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | ? |
| 20:30.54 | bzdoug__ | There ain't no such thing as a free lunch |
| 20:30.56 | Secret_Hamster | Speak in english |
| 20:31.05 | bzdoug__ | ja JA! |
| 20:31.14 | bzdoug__ | ~bzjlist |
| 20:31.18 | bzdoug__ | ~bzflist |
| 20:31.56 | Secret_Hamster | subsa = stop using bloody stupig acronyms |
| 20:32.07 | Secret_Hamster | ~pig bzdoug__ |
| 20:32.08 | | bzdoug__ is 96% pig! |
| 20:32.20 | Secret_Hamster | hum, should join PwB |
| 20:34.32 | bzdoug__ | lol |
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| 20:34.54 | bzdoug__ | uh oh, a hamster and a gerbil |
| 20:34.59 | Gerbil | whassup? |
| 20:35.06 | bzdoug__ | nothing |
| 20:35.10 | bzdoug__ | nothing |
| 20:35.32 | CAPPY353 | hello all |
| 20:35.47 | bzdoug__ | !!!lla olleh |
| 20:36.04 | CAPPY353 | :) |
| 20:36.38 | Gerbil | doug said everybody was supposed tocome here |
| 20:36.49 | bzdoug__ | I did? |
| 20:36.53 | Gerbil | i thought we lost the bz channel |
| 20:36.55 | Gerbil | i thought we lost the bz channelnthose liars |
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| 20:37.10 | bzdoug__ | I think there is an echo in here |
| 20:37.22 | Gerbil | yeah |
| 20:37.26 | bzdoug__ | yeah? |
| 20:37.37 | stibnite_ | ? |
| 20:37.40 | Gerbil | is slow response on here for me |
| 20:38.21 | CAPPY353 | well im off to play a bit cya |
| 20:38.31 | Gerbil | well.nice too see you all |
| 20:38.32 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 20:38.38 | bzdoug__ | cgi-irc is slow |
| 20:38.40 | bzdoug__ | I bet |
| 20:38.46 | bzdoug__ | cya |
| 20:38.53 | Gerbil | please mail memoney |
| 20:39.01 | bzdoug__ | yea, me too |
| 20:39.01 | CaptainPistachio | Gerbil: you're alive! |
| 20:40.10 | bzdoug__ | lol |
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| 20:45.31 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 20:46.34 | Secret_Hamster | if theres money to be mailed, I need some for the Rodent Benovalent Fund |
| 20:47.19 | Secret_Hamster | Were trying to raise awareness of the plight of hamsters and there inability to see through tank viewports |
| 20:48.00 | Secret_Hamster | Thousands have been slaughtered whilst trying this feet. we have two aims in the project |
| 20:48.47 | Secret_Hamster | 1) Raise the awarness to young hamsters about the inherent suicidal nature of tanks playing BZflag |
| 20:49.39 | Secret_Hamster | 2) Fund a project to either poduce reduce sized tanks for hamsters or provide alternate seating arrangments |
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| 21:35.01 | Rembo | hi.... |
| 21:35.09 | Rembo | chestal are you in? |
| 21:35.37 | Rembo | hi calico |
| 21:35.39 | Rembo | hmmmm |
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| 21:48.47 | PerfectCell | li |
| 21:49.21 | PerfectCell | hi puttylabor221 |
| 21:50.07 | Patlabor221 | hell perfectass |
| 21:51.31 | PerfectCell | softer |
| 21:52.06 | Patlabor221 | wetter. |
| 21:52.16 | PerfectCell | no |
| 21:52.22 | Patlabor221 | bunnies? |
| 21:52.28 | PerfectCell | no |
| 21:52.31 | Patlabor221 | fish? |
| 21:52.45 | PerfectCell | hamster |
| 21:52.52 | Patlabor221 | poor hampster |
| 21:52.53 | Secret_Hamster | hum what are you on about |
| 21:53.08 | PerfectCell | stuff time |
| 21:53.13 | Patlabor221 | dosn't germany have laws against that? |
| 21:53.24 | PerfectCell | dono |
| 21:53.44 | Secret_Hamster | oh piss, thoug I'd ignored you |
| 21:54.11 | PerfectCell | not necessary |
| 21:54.25 | PerfectCell | i ignore you already |
| 21:54.51 | Secret_Hamster | that's better |
| 21:56.20 | PerfectCell | PIDA |
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| 21:58.45 | PerfectCell | i habe created a .imp file |
| 21:59.37 | Patlabor221 | I'm so very happy for you. |
| 21:59.53 | PerfectCell | do you know what .imp stands for? |
| 22:00.01 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:00.09 | Patlabor221 | porbably "import" |
| 22:00.22 | PerfectCell | no |
| 22:00.28 | PerfectCell | improvise |
| 22:00.49 | PerfectCell | so it exists only to say that its great |
| 22:01.00 | PerfectCell | but its nothing in real |
| 22:01.20 | Patlabor221 | again I can not express my happenes for you in that fact. |
| 22:01.22 | PerfectCell | that could be useful |
| 22:01.29 | PerfectCell | thanks |
| 22:01.47 | Patlabor221 | when are you going to do something real? |
| 22:02.00 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221: bad temper today? Loosing job? |
| 22:02.13 | Patlabor221 | no, just curious |
| 22:02.15 | Secret_Hamster | why doesn't everyone put him on ignore. infact get a chop to akill him |
| 22:02.36 | Patlabor221 | he's lookin for the ban |
| 22:02.46 | Patlabor221 | so that would give him waht he wants |
| 22:02.46 | PerfectCell | nop |
| 22:02.57 | Patlabor221 | tho I would also like to see the ban. |
| 22:03.00 | Secret_Hamster | so! it would stop him wasting bandwidth |
| 22:03.07 | Patlabor221 | actualy today's been rather nice. |
| 22:03.26 | Secret_Hamster | you mean he's not been here? |
| 22:03.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah for a while he was gone |
| 22:04.00 | Patlabor221 | and at work it's been a decent day |
| 22:04.08 | Patlabor221 | been working on company logo |
| 22:04.45 | Secret_Hamster | very nice. today I got myself a job as a courier. I am so overjoyed (Not) |
| 22:05.12 | PerfectCell | my company is called vgYvba |
| 22:05.19 | Patlabor221 | well at least it's something |
| 22:05.32 | Patlabor221 | cell, what is your company's yearly income? |
| 22:05.47 | Patlabor221 | hampster, at least that will keeep you going so you can look for better. |
| 22:06.14 | Patlabor221 | cell does the number start with a '-' ? |
| 22:06.18 | PerfectCell | Patlabor221:on pro forma basis? |
| 22:06.45 | Patlabor221 | yup it's a 0 |
| 22:06.52 | PerfectCell | revenue is big |
| 22:06.52 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: no that's it now. I've been out of IT too long and there isn't any jobs. that's why I've looked elsewhere |
| 22:07.00 | PerfectCell | but income is a red number |
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| 22:07.46 | PerfectCell | ~rot13 vgYvba |
| 22:07.46 | | itLion |
| 22:08.05 | PerfectCell | itLion -:|:- |
| 22:08.11 | PerfectCell | registered logo |
| 22:08.16 | bzdoug__ | woo, S&P 500 closed down -14 points |
| 22:08.26 | Patlabor221 | ahhh the blissfull slicence |
| 22:08.32 | Patlabor221 | untill doug............ |
| 22:08.39 | bzdoug__ | CRACK! |
| 22:09.00 | PerfectCell | S&P is a lame ass |
| 22:09.03 | TimRiker | "down -14 points" would mean up 14. ;-) |
| 22:09.15 | bzdoug__ | my dad wants his 16 gigs back of drive space |
| 22:09.28 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: hmm, S&P 500 is down 14 points |
| 22:09.33 | bzdoug__ | which it good |
| 22:09.34 | Secret_Hamster | lol, good one Tim |
| 22:09.36 | PerfectCell | TimRiker: only if you know that the negative axis points down |
| 22:10.59 | TimRiker | heh |
| 22:11.05 | PerfectCell | donno |
| 22:11.07 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 22:11.31 | TimRiker | ~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155 |
| 22:11.42 | bzdoug__ | 14 points down means 28 points up for me |
| 22:11.48 | TimRiker | heh. server is full so scripts can't connect. |
| 22:11.48 | bzdoug__ | ~xmission |
| 22:11.55 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 22:12.14 | TimRiker | that will get fixed in the protocol breakage. |
| 22:12.46 | PerfectCell | again saved a file as .imp |
| 22:12.52 | bzdoug__ | hmm, that sounds wrong |
| 22:13.11 | bzdoug__ | FIXED in the protocol BREAKAGE |
| 22:13.12 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:13.27 | Patlabor221 | sure you can fix lots of stuff when you rip it a new one. |
| 22:13.36 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 22:13.48 | PerfectCell | imp file successfully imported to max |
| 22:14.27 | Hamster_afk | nite nite all |
| 22:14.31 | Patlabor221 | nailbat |
| 22:14.36 | Patlabor221 | hurts more |
| 22:14.36 | bzdoug__ | ~lart CaptainPistachio |
| 22:14.54 | bzdoug__ | ~particle of the day |
| 22:14.55 | | excited flux neutron |
| 22:15.08 | bzdoug__ | ~google for excited flux neutron |
| 22:15.21 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 22:16.23 | PerfectCell | unify normals could result in all faces getting backfaces |
| 22:16.42 | PerfectCell | so its not possible to solve this automatically |
| 22:19.43 | bzdoug__ | whats one way of backing up 16 gigs of cds without using dozans of cds? |
| 22:19.51 | bzdoug__ | and cheap |
| 22:19.54 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:19.57 | PerfectCell | computing connectivity of n Vertices n = 300k! Cautin O(n^2) takes 40 min |
| 22:20.02 | Patlabor221 | define cheap |
| 22:20.10 | bzdoug__ | not expensive |
| 22:20.12 | Patlabor221 | since you don't have any aditional media |
| 22:20.16 | Patlabor221 | you have to get some other meadia |
| 22:20.19 | bzdoug__ | tape? |
| 22:20.27 | Patlabor221 | and you have allready exculded the cheapest media |
| 22:20.34 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:20.36 | Patlabor221 | tape or anotherdrive |
| 22:20.40 | Patlabor221 | or a DVD |
| 22:20.41 | bzdoug__ | how much ARE cdroms each? |
| 22:20.49 | TimRiker | yeah, buy another HD and copy it. |
| 22:20.50 | Patlabor221 | the disks? |
| 22:20.53 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 22:21.01 | bzdoug__ | TimRiker: hmm, 1 buck a gig |
| 22:21.04 | Patlabor221 | 15-20 cents each usualy |
| 22:21.15 | Patlabor221 | yeah drives are about a buck a gig, |
| 22:21.21 | bzdoug__ | for normal consumers, not resalers |
| 22:21.24 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 22:21.29 | Patlabor221 | but there is a lower limit og about $45-50 |
| 22:21.31 | bzdoug__ | like a 50 pack of cdroms |
| 22:21.34 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 22:21.40 | Patlabor221 | I get 50 |
| 22:21.43 | Puttylabor122 | putty? |
| 22:21.49 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 22:21.51 | bzdoug__ | ~dict putty |
| 22:22.00 | Patlabor221 | I get 50's for usualy 10 to 12 bucks |
| 22:22.12 | bzdoug__ | hmm, thats pretty good |
| 22:22.19 | bzdoug__ | a bit more over here |
| 22:22.22 | bzdoug__ | but not much |
| 22:22.23 | Patlabor221 | yeah CDs are freakin cheap |
| 22:22.35 | Puttylabor122 | rw? |
| 22:23.05 | bzdoug__ | hmm, problem is how to move 16 gigs to my drive with 5 gigs of free space to burn the cds |
| 22:23.08 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 22:23.14 | bzdoug__ | plain R cds |
| 22:23.21 | bzdoug__ | rated R cd-roms |
| 22:23.24 | bzdoug__ | :Z |
| 22:23.30 | Patlabor221 | you only need 700 megs at a time. |
| 22:23.49 | bzdoug__ | yea, but it kinda hard trying to copy files around while on a network |
| 22:23.59 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 22:24.02 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 22:24.07 | bzdoug__ | slow |
| 22:24.15 | Patlabor221 | what kinda crap net you have? |
| 22:24.18 | bzdoug__ | I sorta get 100 mbs, but rare |
| 22:24.20 | Patlabor221 | 10 base 2? |
| 22:24.23 | bzdoug__ | nasty hub |
| 22:24.34 | bzdoug__ | I should rewire this office |
| 22:24.36 | Patlabor221 | crossover cable |
| 22:24.49 | bzdoug__ | cant, he want to work at the same time |
| 22:24.53 | Patlabor221 | http://www.3btech.net/futpow80minc.html |
| 22:24.59 | bzdoug__ | $30 - cd-r 200pack |
| 22:25.07 | Patlabor221 | well you can't allways get what you want, now can you. |
| 22:25.31 | bzdoug__ | hmm, 50 pack for 11 bucks.... |
| 22:25.36 | bzdoug__ | or 200 pack for 30 |
| 22:25.37 | Patlabor221 | 12 |
| 22:25.41 | bzdoug__ | whats better? :P |
| 22:25.44 | bzdoug__ | ah, ok 12 |
| 22:26.08 | Patlabor221 | depends on brand and company |
| 22:26.20 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 22:26.34 | bzdoug__ | I would like something with 36x burning speed or something |
| 22:26.42 | bzdoug__ | dont want to sit around waitinf for it to burn |
| 22:27.51 | Patlabor221 | can get 100 40x ones for $30 |
| 22:28.02 | bzdoug__ | hmm, 40x |
| 22:28.22 | bzdoug__ | but I can get twice as many for the same price at half the speed... |
| 22:28.45 | bzdoug__ | hmm, 48x speed only gets reached at the edges any way |
| 22:28.54 | Patlabor221 | have you looked to see that that company dosn't even LIST the 200 fro $30 |
| 22:29.05 | bzdoug__ | hmm? |
| 22:29.51 | bzdoug__ | whats the best type cd-rom? silver? blue? |
| 22:30.07 | Patlabor221 | black |
| 22:30.11 | Patlabor221 | allways bet on black |
| 22:30.16 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 22:30.24 | bzdoug__ | the playstation cds are black |
| 22:30.33 | bzdoug__ | but I never seen black for sale |
| 22:30.35 | Patlabor221 | yes they are |
| 22:30.42 | bzdoug__ | ! 99 min / 870MB CD-R |
| 22:31.47 | bzdoug__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:36.27 | sussudio | "ThatGuySpencer" needs to be banned from ducati |
| 22:48.29 | Chestal | what did he do? |
| 22:52.38 | sussudio | he wouldnt stop capturing the flag when it was 4:3 |
| 22:52.57 | bzdoug__ | ... |
| 22:53.06 | bzdoug__ | how are they gonna fix that? |
| 22:53.19 | Chestal | I usually capture with 4:3, too, depends on the teams, though |
| 22:53.26 | sussudio | it was unfair |
| 22:53.46 | CaptainPistachio | Patlabor221: i like how duck is now requesting features in bzedit :) |
| 22:53.53 | Patlabor221 | refs with psudo admin rights, who can set all player state data on a truly ahtoritive server. |
| 22:54.06 | Patlabor221 | yeah, with my "virtual" list. |
| 22:54.25 | Patlabor221 | or dynamic, or one of those other words that he had no clue what they mean. |
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| 23:05.26 | bzdoug__ | how do I get the folders to show there sizes? |
| 23:05.34 | bzdoug__ | so I can arange by size? |
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| 23:15.00 | Puttylabor122 | la |
| 23:15.34 | Puttylabor122 | stl check i so damn slow in 3d studio max |
| 23:19.11 | Jormungandr | I'm finally building second server, so we can have bzfs with 10mb pipe. :) |
| 23:20.13 | bzdoug__ | woowoo |
| 23:20.22 | bzdoug__ | no lag? |
| 23:20.25 | bzdoug__ | where is the server? |
| 23:20.38 | bzdoug__ | on the planet? |
| 23:21.07 | Jormungandr | it'll be at limelight networks in phoenix. |
| 23:21.12 | Puttylabor122 | how fast are the pixel sader progs executed? |
| 23:21.20 | Jormungandr | right now it's on the floor in my dining room. :) |
| 23:21.25 | Jormungandr | waiting for a drive. |
| 23:22.23 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 23:22.31 | bzdoug__ | running windows XP right? |
| 23:26.09 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 23:26.20 | bzdoug__ | whats the diference to size, and size on disk? |
| 23:26.30 | bzdoug__ | what do I pay attention to? |
| 23:33.12 | Jormungandr | size on disk is more accurate.. size is unformatted size. |
| 23:33.17 | Jormungandr | not running xp :) |
| 23:33.22 | Jormungandr | will run redhat 8 |
| 23:33.27 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 23:33.36 | bzdoug__ | unformatted size... |
| 23:33.37 | bzdoug__ | wierd |
| 23:33.51 | Jormungandr | a 60 gig drive is not 60 gig formatted |
| 23:33.57 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:34.06 | Jormungandr | it's anywhere from 52-58, depending on the format. |
| 23:34.22 | bzdoug__ | ick |
| 23:34.40 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 23:34.46 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 23:34.55 | Patlabor221 | size dosn't take into acouunt theminimum allocation block of your disk |
| 23:35.04 | Jormungandr | pat, nod. |
| 23:35.10 | bzdoug__ | ~spell theminimum |
| 23:35.12 | | possible spellings for theminimum: the minimum the-minimum minimum minimums theming harmonium feminism germanium minim minimum's thermionic minims thermionics harmoniums ammonium |
| 23:35.19 | Patlabor221 | it's anew eliment |
| 23:35.23 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 23:35.28 | Patlabor221 | sounded better then Jeffonium |
| 23:35.35 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 23:35.40 | bzdoug__ | some unobtainium stuff? |
| 23:35.47 | Patlabor221 | doug what is your file system? |
| 23:35.50 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:35.51 | sussudio | blah.... it's just that hd manufacturers are assholes and have a different opinion of what a megabyte is....... |
| 23:35.52 | Patlabor221 | FAT? FAT32? |
| 23:36.01 | sussudio | 1.000.000 instead of 1.048.576 bytes |
| 23:36.03 | bzdoug__ | NTFS I hope |
| 23:36.07 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:36.09 | bzdoug__ | NTFS |
| 23:36.15 | sussudio | PIGFS |
| 23:36.15 | Patlabor221 | NTFS1 or 2? |
| 23:36.39 | bzdoug__ | my desktop has disapeared |
| 23:36.39 | Patlabor221 | when you formated the drive you could have set the block size. |
| 23:36.56 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:37.55 | Patlabor221 | why in gods name would you want to? |
| 23:38.01 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:38.02 | Patlabor221 | and no, not with out thrid party utils. |
| 23:38.09 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 23:38.12 | bzdoug__ | just wondering |
| 23:38.22 | bzdoug__ | FAT32 can be read by windows 98 and linux |
| 23:38.29 | bzdoug__ | NTFS has "problems" |
| 23:38.42 | sussudio | "doug" has "problems" |
| 23:39.08 | Patlabor221 | NTFS has per file permisions |
| 23:39.10 | bzdoug__ | sussudio has real "problems" |
| 23:39.15 | Patlabor221 | and multiple file forks |
| 23:39.19 | Patlabor221 | and real security |
| 23:39.21 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 23:39.23 | bzdoug__ | its better |
| 23:39.33 | bzdoug__ | thats why leeenox cant read it by default |
| 23:39.36 | Patlabor221 | SAMBA man |
| 23:39.43 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 23:39.45 | Patlabor221 | dual machine SAMBA |
| 23:39.51 | bzdoug__ | hm? |
| 23:39.59 | Patlabor221 | that's how I do it |
| 23:40.00 | bzdoug__ | what if I dual boot? |
| 23:40.06 | Patlabor221 | then you are lame |
| 23:40.09 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 23:40.14 | Patlabor221 | and lack true ultimate power. |
| 23:40.22 | bzdoug__ | it means I dont have cash to spend on dual computers |
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| 23:40.35 | Patlabor221 | spend? I don't understand. |
| 23:40.45 | bzdoug__ | I would like to have my athlon XP running linux too, but that would mean dual booting |
| 23:41.02 | bzdoug__ | but if I had dual PCs, I would need to get another mobo/CPU |
| 23:41.03 | Patlabor221 | Ijust found a 1.13 ghz P3 |
| 23:41.08 | Patlabor221 | I have to put it in something |
| 23:41.23 | bzdoug__ | yea, but thats the point, I would have to get more parts |
| 23:41.40 | Patlabor221 | don't you just have them laying around? |
| 23:41.58 | bzdoug__ | HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 23:42.10 | bzdoug__ | I do have a 750 mhz duron |
| 23:42.35 | Patlabor221 | whooot |
| 23:42.41 | bzdoug__ | yup |
| 23:42.45 | Patlabor221 | track |
| 23:42.50 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:42.53 | bzdoug__ | a data truck |
| 23:43.26 | sussudio | i overclocked doug's pig to 500mhz... it's going to explode soon |
| 23:43.49 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: hmmm how high could I over clock a 850 mhz duron? |
| 23:43.51 | Patlabor221 | data can be heacy |
| 23:43.57 | Patlabor221 | what mobo? |
| 23:43.58 | bzdoug__ | with the default heat sink |
| 23:44.00 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:44.02 | bzdoug__ | dunno |
| 23:44.06 | bzdoug__ | the mobo dont have a part number |
| 23:44.14 | bzdoug__ | the sticker got ripped off |
| 23:44.20 | Patlabor221 | does the mobo support PC133 ram |
| 23:44.24 | Patlabor221 | and what ram do you have? |
| 23:44.33 | bzdoug__ | possibly |
| 23:44.39 | bzdoug__ | and I have pc100 ram in it |
| 23:44.45 | bzdoug__ | all 64 megs of it |
| 23:44.48 | bzdoug__ | HAHA |
| 23:44.48 | Patlabor221 | you could try upiing the FSB to 133 |
| 23:44.56 | bzdoug__ | 2 32 meg chips |
| 23:44.57 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 23:44.59 | bzdoug__ | ok |
| 23:45.06 | Patlabor221 | that would put you at a gig |
| 23:45.11 | Patlabor221 | if it didn't explode. |
| 23:45.15 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 23:45.21 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 23:45.25 | bzdoug__ | gotta log out and back in |
| 23:45.36 | bzdoug__ | my desktop is acting wierd |
| 23:45.42 | bzdoug__ | all grey |
| 23:45.49 | Patlabor221 | take the swiss cake roll out of it. |
| 23:47.21 | Patlabor221 | hmmm he musta put another one in. |
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| 23:51.57 | sussudio | hmm doug's homepage |
| 23:51.59 | sussudio | http://www.thepigsite.com/LatestNews/Default.asp |
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| 23:55.49 | bzdoug__ | stibnite!!!!!!!!!! hows it goin nate! |
| 23:56.19 | Patlabor221 | ahhhhhhhh... onece again I have the best game music EVER |
| 23:56.33 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: oh?.... |
| 23:56.49 | bzdoug__ | more bester than the other music? |
| 23:57.27 | Patlabor221 | wipeout 1 |
| 23:57.46 | Patlabor221 | better then all other muzak in the world. |
| 23:58.10 | bzdoug__ | uh huh, I dint hear about it |
| 23:58.15 | bzdoug__ | nor hear it |
| 23:58.18 | Patlabor221 | before you were born |
| 23:58.26 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 23:58.27 | sussudio | neither chicken, rice not gravy are veggies |
| 23:58.31 | bzdoug__ | then it MUST be good |
| 23:58.36 | bzdoug__ | FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8 |
| 23:59.02 | Patlabor221 | someone's been looking for XP serials on asta |
| 23:59.10 | bzdoug__ | asta? |
| 23:59.21 | Patlabor221 | astalavista |
| 23:59.25 | bzdoug__ | oh yea |
| 23:59.26 | bzdoug__ | and no |
| 23:59.29 | bzdoug__ | I use a key gen |
| 23:59.30 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 23:59.54 | Patlabor221 | it just pulls from a list. |
