irclog2html for #bzflag on 20030126

`00:03.49`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214)`
`00:03.55`	`bzdoug_`	`what do I have to do to replace sound effects?`
`00:04.03`	`bzdoug_`	`whats do they have to be?`
`00:04.22`	`Patlabor221`	`22 khz 16 bit sterio`
`00:04.28`	`Patlabor221`	`version 1 wave`
`00:04.35`	`bzdoug_`	`k`
`00:04.36`	`*** part/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`00:04.46`	`Patlabor221`	`good luck saving v1 wave`
`00:05.30`	`*** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133)`
`00:05.35`	`bzdoug_`	`silly thing`
`00:05.39`	`bzdoug_`	`did you say anything?`
`00:05.49`	`Patlabor221`	`good luck saving V1 wave`
`00:05.54`	`bzdoug_`	`oh?`
`00:06.47`	`Patlabor221`	`yup`
`00:09.21`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm`
`00:14.07`	`Patlabor221`	`ok now I must say happy face missles are indeed cool`
`00:14.14`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`00:14.17`	`bzdoug_`	`let me see`
`00:14.25`	`sussudio`	`goodie. i got one from "software.ncpe.uri.edu"`
`00:15.00`	`sussudio`	`National Center on Public Education and Social Policy`
`00:15.07`	`Patlabor221`	`let me build release`
`00:15.08`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`00:15.11`	`bzdoug_`	`k`
`00:15.14`	`sussudio`	`someone ought to educate them about applying patches`
`00:15.59`	`Patlabor221`	`flare needs work tho`
`00:17.21`	`Patlabor221`	`hey cap:`
`00:17.42`	`bzdoug_`	`hmm, seems like .wav files where started by microsoft`
`00:17.44`	`Patlabor221`	`if I want to take BZFLS outa the lin build, do I just pull the make file from the src folder?`
`00:18.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yes but they are based on RIFF file chunk encoding`
`00:18.08`	`Patlabor221`	`or I should say a form of it`
`00:18.09`	`bzdoug_`	`.wav files are RIFF based`
`00:18.17`	`scanline`	`.wav is too new-fangled for me, I only use .au files`
`00:18.26`	`bzdoug_`	`WAVs use the RIFF format, which is Microsoft's`
`00:18.26`	`bzdoug_`	`needless imitation of AIFF.`
`00:18.31`	`Patlabor221`	`au rosors`
`00:18.36`	`bzdoug_`	`heh`
`00:18.37`	`Patlabor221`	`mu-law babby`
`00:18.48`	`bzdoug_`	`.raw forever`
`00:19.06`	`Patlabor221`	`bah, compress em`
`00:19.10`	`bzdoug_`	`:P`
`00:19.12`	`scanline`	`.raw.gz`
`00:19.17`	`bzdoug_`	`haha`
`00:19.44`	`Patlabor221`	`scan, do you know if I can just move a makefile out of a sub project to make it not build?`
`00:20.21`	`scanline`	`I don't have BZFlag's build system memorized, but you probably should remove it from a SUBDIRS line in the makefile one level up from it`
`00:20.39`	`Patlabor221`	`ok, I'll look for it, thanks`
`00:20.43`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't know what to look for.`
`00:22.40`	`sussudio`	`wait, there's another one...........`
`00:22.42`	`Patlabor221`	`www.bakadigital.com/zero/test/BZFlag-Zero.zip`
`00:22.47`	`sussudio`	`VMC.kfunigraz.ac.at`
`00:22.51`	`sussudio`	`bad austrian! bad!`
`00:23.14`	`Patlabor221`	`can someone join ragnarok?`
`00:23.41`	`sussudio`	`not unless you've been a bad viking i think`
`00:23.55`	`Patlabor221`	`good vickin`
`00:24.02`	`sussudio`	`no, they go to valhalla`
`00:24.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I thought it was to rest up so they could fight in ragnaroc`
`00:24.36`	`sussudio`	`hmmnp`
`00:24.38`	`sussudio`	`no`
`00:25.00`	`Patlabor221`	`well can someone joing the BZ:0 server caled that :)`
`00:25.05`	`bzdoug_`	`ok`
`00:25.08`	`bzdoug_`	`I am downloading`
`00:25.12`	`sussudio`	`hm trying to find contact information on a german website :-P~~~`
`00:25.12`	`bzdoug_`	`ohld on..`
`00:25.12`	`Patlabor221`	`I need somone to lock on to`
`00:25.40`	`sussudio`	`try -solo 1`
`00:25.48`	`Patlabor221`	`oooo you are smart :)`
`00:28.20`	`sussudio`	`i wonder if anyone will reply to these emails or maybe they'll just get fired for letting a server be unpatched for 7 months`
`00:29.19`	`Patlabor221`	`ok now those just look cool`
`00:29.45`	`sussudio`	`hm 25 shot spiral. i think i'll pass on that one`
`00:29.54`	`sussudio`	`~ducatictf`
`00:44.23`	`Patlabor221`	`if I'm seting up a OpenGLGStateBuilder, how do I tell it I want a color?`
`00:52.51`	`sussudio`	`there's a moron on ducati`
`00:53.09`	`sussudio`	`he keeps grabbing the team flag and getting it almost into the enemy's zone`
`01:00.00`	`sussudio`	`~ducatictf`
`01:03.52`	`Vernon`	`~bzflist`
`01:07.52`	`*** join/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@h-69-3-54-50.DNVTCO56.covad.net)`
`01:08.22`	`Patlabor221`	`now where is MAC when I want to show him something cool`
`01:10.04`	`*** join/#bzflag BZFLAG (~d8088350@203.194.240.139)`
`01:13.27`	`*** join/#bzflag BZ (~d8088350@203.194.240.139)`
`01:14.30`	`BZ`	`does anyone want to have a game of BZFLAg ZERO?`
`01:14.54`	`[dmp]`	`What is that?`
`01:15.20`	`BZ`	`its a differnt game of bzflag`
`01:15.37`	`[dmp]`	`Different? How?`
`01:15.48`	`[dmp]`	`where can i get it/read about it ?`
`01:16.20`	`BZ`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/zero/`
`01:19.03`	`Patlabor221`	`I just branched and added some features`
`01:19.25`	`*** join/#bzflag iambzflag (~d8088350@203.194.240.139)`
`01:19.39`	`[dmp]`	`I need to try it before going to bed :)`
`01:19.46`	`iambzflag`	`ok`
`01:19.53`	`[dmp]`	`I like the design, who made it?`
`01:20.17`	`iambzflag`	`patlabor221`
`01:20.43`	`Patlabor221`	`me`
`01:21.17`	`iambzflag`	`u made bz zero didnt u?`
`01:21.31`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`01:21.41`	`iambzflag`	`dmp what server are u on`
`01:22.02`	`iambzflag`	`it has sweet graphics`
`01:22.12`	`Patlabor221`	`just new textures`
`01:22.20`	`Patlabor221`	`it will look better when the GM is replaced`
`01:22.31`	`[dmp]`	`i'm on asgard`
`01:22.42`	`iambzflag`	`they should change the origional game to those textures`
`01:22.55`	`iambzflag`	`be right there dmp`
`01:37.55`	`*** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`01:39.27`	`[dmp]`	`oops`
`01:39.40`	`[dmp]`	`did the server just die?`
`01:40.56`	`[dmp]`	`can't reconnect to asgard`
`01:42.30`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry it just restarted`
`01:42.36`	`Patlabor221`	`had to move it's cables`
`01:42.40`	`Patlabor221`	`it came unpluged :(`
`01:42.44`	`Patlabor221`	`resterting it in a sec`
`01:42.56`	`[dmp]`	`ah never mind.`
`01:43.05`	`[dmp]`	`Laser just was weird`
`01:43.11`	`[dmp]`	`it didnt fire`
`01:43.44`	`[dmp]`	`so i wanted to try (iambzflag tried to shoot me with it) myself.. and just when i got it, every die :)`
`01:44.15`	`[dmp]`	`Seems fun. I sure could use that W-feature on ducati from time to time.`
`01:44.30`	`Patlabor221`	`asgard should be back now`
`01:47.19`	`[dmp]`	`"every die" should have been "everything died".`
`01:47.22`	`[dmp]`	`nite`
`01:47.24`	`*** join/#bzflag patlabor-Nuku (~JeffM@208.48.199.215)`
`01:54.29`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214)`
`01:57.18`	`patlabor-Nuku`	`ls`
`01:57.44`	`Patlabor221`	`dhoo`
`01:59.49`	`Patlabor221`	`well I was able to pull bzfls from the build`
`02:05.02`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor-Nuku (~JeffM@208.48.199.214)`
`02:14.23`	`sussudio`	`doug managed to make it into the #debian channel stats`
`02:14.28`	`sussudio`	`"bzdoug wrote the shortest lines, averaging 21.3 characters per line."`
`02:14.39`	`Patlabor221`	`same as here`
`02:15.25`	`sussudio`	`for this channel: "bzdoug wrote the shortest lines, averaging 15.7 characters per line."`
`02:15.42`	`Patlabor221`	`seems he speaks up in there`
`02:16.09`	`Patlabor221`	`ouch 2 errors out of a fabilion warnings how am I suposed to find that?`
`02:16.19`	`sussudio`	`shrug`
`02:16.26`	`sussudio`	`use grep or something?`
`02:16.39`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhh great cap or scan, HELP!!!!!!`
`02:17.14`	`sussudio`	`grep error error.log`
`02:17.54`	`Patlabor221`	`will that look at all the stuff in the current console?`
`02:18.25`	`sussudio`	`no, in error.log`
`02:18.33`	`sussudio`	`you can pipe to grep if you want to.`
`02:18.48`	`sussudio`	`whatevercommandyou'rerunning > grep error \| less`
`02:25.26`	`*** join/#bzflag mjt (~kat@166.107-201-80.adsl.skynet.be)`
`02:26.40`	`*** part/#bzflag mjt (~kat@166.107-201-80.adsl.skynet.be)`
`02:35.14`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: what's wrong`
`02:35.29`	`Patlabor221`	`huh? just errors`
`02:35.39`	`Patlabor221`	`evil vile erros`
`02:35.49`	`fiberchunks`	`what you doin?`
`02:35.51`	`Patlabor221`	`oh and I accedentaly unpluged asgard`
`02:35.59`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`02:36.10`	`Patlabor221`	`trying to get zero to build on leeeenox`
`02:37.50`	`Patlabor221`	`but I must say, the new missles do look realy cool in filight`
`02:38.37`	`fiberchunks`	`is this new zero, or old zero`
`02:38.43`	`Patlabor221`	`new zero`
`02:38.51`	`Patlabor221`	`added files and such`
`02:38.57`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`02:39.04`	`Patlabor221`	`hence the errorness`
`02:39.42`	`Jormungandr`	`anything new in regular CVS in the last week?`
`02:39.50`	`fiberchunks`	`do you know how to pipe both standard error and standard output to a file?`
`02:39.57`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`02:40.11`	`Jormungandr`	`blah > /tmp/filename 2>&1`
`02:40.21`	`fiberchunks`	`yup`
`02:40.31`	`Patlabor221`	`very similar to der windowsen`
`02:40.35`	`fiberchunks`	`so: make > foo.log 2>&1`
`02:40.42`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`02:40.47`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`02:41.30`	`Patlabor221`	`well I've got to get food in me belly, so I'm hiten the store then home, then I'll figure out all my build errors ( and why it can't #include <GL/gl.h>`
`02:41.47`	`Jormungandr`	`see ya later.`
`02:41.53`	`sussudio`	`i think it's the happy mushroom hour on mtv here......`
`02:41.55`	`sussudio`	`http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg`
`02:41.56`	`fiberchunks`	`later on`
`02:42.01`	`Patlabor221`	`won't be that long, I can see my house from this office :)`
`02:42.06`	`fiberchunks`	`nice`
`02:42.19`	`Patlabor221`	`dancing geese, must be dougs party`
`02:42.21`	`Patlabor221`	`see ay`
`02:42.21`	`fiberchunks`	`why not just ssh into that box from home`
`02:42.26`	`sussudio`	`probably`
`02:42.35`	`Patlabor221`	`I have a full leenox system at home`
`02:42.38`	`Patlabor221`	`better then the ones here`
`02:42.41`	`Patlabor221`	`XP 1800+`
`02:42.45`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`02:42.46`	`Patlabor221`	`GF et all`
`02:42.47`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`02:42.52`	`Patlabor221`	`asgard is just a 450`
`02:43.13`	`Patlabor221`	`and nuku-nuku is a (shudder) cyrex 700`
`02:43.15`	`Jormungandr`	`dragon.org server is 1RU with PIII 1Ghz, and 512mb RAM... and home machine kicks it's butt.`
`02:43.34`	`Jormungandr`	`but dragon.org is pretty sturdy and reliable.`
`02:43.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I just found a Pc something board with a CPU on it, don't know what it is tho`
`02:43.40`	`Patlabor221`	`have to see if it works`
`02:43.47`	`Patlabor221`	`well I have 2 home machines too`
`02:43.54`	`Patlabor221`	`1800+ and the 1900+`
`02:43.55`	`Jormungandr`	`I do too much futzing with hardware :)`
`02:44.05`	`Jormungandr`	`I need to find a nice mobo for my other 1ru case.`
`02:44.23`	`Patlabor221`	`well be back in a bit`
`02:44.30`	`Jormungandr`	`that's what I could do this week.. hrm.`
`02:47.34`	`Jormungandr`	`and pot stickers :)`
`02:47.36`	`Jormungandr`	`mmmmmmm`
`02:51.05`	`fiberchunks`	`you can never do too much futzing with hardware :)`
`02:51.41`	`fiberchunks`	`Jormungandr: how much, if you don't mind me asking, did the 1U server cost ya?`
`02:52.20`	`Jormungandr`	`the case was about 150`
`02:52.55`	`Jormungandr`	`the 1ru that dragon.org is was 750 with everything but hard drive, proc and RAM and that was about a year ago.`
`02:53.07`	`Jormungandr`	`prolly just over a year now.`
`02:53.27`	`Jormungandr`	`came with mobo, heat sink,e tc.`
`02:53.28`	`Jormungandr`	`fans`
`02:53.34`	`Jormungandr`	`cdrom and floppy`
`02:53.50`	`Jormungandr`	`I am working on testing a new product though.`
`02:53.54`	`Jormungandr`	`1/2 RU servers`
`02:54.00`	`Jormungandr`	`2 fit in single RU case.`
`02:54.15`	`Jormungandr`	`they run about 750 each complete.`
`02:54.29`	`Jormungandr`	`they seem fairly stable.`
`02:54.44`	`fiberchunks`	`who's the manufacturer?`
`02:54.46`	`Jormungandr`	`haven't had a crash yet, but I haven't really loaded them up yet.`
`02:54.57`	`Jormungandr`	`have it at home... remind to to look for you.`
`02:55.11`	`fiberchunks`	`cool, will do: they run lin, win, or bsd?`
`02:55.20`	`Jormungandr`	`yes :)`
`02:55.30`	`fiberchunks`	`har! I mean right now`
`02:55.33`	`Jormungandr`	`I have 3 that I'm testing.`
`02:55.47`	`fiberchunks`	`have a preference for one or the other yet?`
`02:55.49`	`Jormungandr`	`1 has linux RH8, one has freebsd, and one has w2k`
`02:56.08`	`Jormungandr`	`I hate windows, but it's personal. :)`
`02:56.17`	`Jormungandr`	`so bsd and linux about the same.`
`02:56.20`	`fiberchunks`	`same here :)`
`02:56.23`	`Jormungandr`	`linux for ease of support.`
`02:56.45`	`fiberchunks`	`bsd for built in security feature?`
`02:56.49`	`Jormungandr`	`if you have time to admin a system, freebsd is the smarter choice, but if you need simplicity, then RH`
`02:56.54`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`02:56.57`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`02:57.00`	`Jormungandr`	`debian is nice`
`02:57.08`	`Jormungandr`	`just don't get to play with it much`
`02:57.15`	`Jormungandr`	`cuz customers aren't interested in it.`
`02:57.19`	`Jormungandr`	`they all want redhat.`
`02:57.36`	`Jormungandr`	`some of the dists are trying`
`02:57.49`	`Jormungandr`	`debian has a good security model, from what I recall.`
`02:57.53`	`fiberchunks`	`I was thinking more robust kernel-based security`
`02:57.59`	`sussudio`	`bsd is no more secure than debian`
`02:58.16`	`Jormungandr`	`oh... robust kernel... try the real-time linux kernel sometimes.`
`02:58.26`	`fiberchunks`	`good idea`
`02:58.27`	`Jormungandr`	`totally stripped bare... secure and fast as hell.`
`02:59.03`	`Jormungandr`	`still... I've run dragon.org since 1993, and have some incredible uptimes on regular linux kernels.`
`02:59.12`	`Jormungandr`	`I've had maybe 2 crashy kernels in all that time.`
`02:59.24`	`sussudio`	`2.4.9?`
`02:59.28`	`Jormungandr`	`others have been up for a year at a time with no problems.`
`02:59.38`	`Jormungandr`	`my first kernel was 0.96 :)`
`02:59.44`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`03:00.06`	`Jormungandr`	`right now I am using 2.4.18`
`03:00.09`	`Jormungandr`	`on dragon.org`
`03:00.17`	`sussudio`	`2.4.19 bad`
`03:00.20`	`sussudio`	`2.4.20 baaaaaaad`
`03:00.24`	`Jormungandr`	`sussudio... much earlier...`
`03:00.33`	`Jormungandr`	`like 1.x stuff.`
`03:00.48`	`Jormungandr`	`and one of the pre 1.0 ones had me going for a while.`
`03:01.07`	`Jormungandr`	`I don't upgrade stuff unless I have to. learned that lesson early.`
`03:01.16`	`Jormungandr`	`except for bzflag stuff :) cvs is fun.`
`03:01.25`	`sussudio`	`there's really no reason to use a 2.4 kernel unless you really want ext3 or something that's only in there`
`03:01.37`	`Jormungandr`	`ext3 is very valuable to me right now.`
`03:01.54`	`sussudio`	`i regularly use a very big cluebat for lusers who think 2.2 -> 2.4 is an UPGRADE`
`03:01.57`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:02.02`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`03:02.03`	`Jormungandr`	`true`
`03:02.15`	`Jormungandr`	`for me, I push ext3 on customers.`
`03:02.23`	`sussudio`	`hell, use 2.0 if that works on your old stuff.`
`03:02.26`	`Jormungandr`	`it really makes a difference. a lot less time dealing with data loss.`
`03:02.33`	`fiberchunks`	`precisely`
`03:02.49`	`Jormungandr`	`I had a bad drive this last few months. :(`
`03:03.10`	`Jormungandr`	`I had to replace drive... and the data copy was a nightmare.`
`03:03.28`	`Jormungandr`	`took 6 hours, because I had to hand copy files individually at a few places.`
`03:03.34`	`sussudio`	`it took me 3 weeks to wipe a harddisk with about 8MB of bad sectors all over the place`
`03:03.45`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:03.54`	`Jormungandr`	`bad hardware is about the worst.`
`03:03.56`	`sussudio`	`i wasnt going to send it back to seagate with data on it`
`03:04.09`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`03:04.14`	`Jormungandr`	`good idea.`
`03:04.18`	`Jormungandr`	`I sledged my bad one.`
`03:04.38`	`Jormungandr`	`platters shattered like thin glass. :)`
`03:04.56`	`sussudio`	`sharpen them and use on jehova's witnesses`
`03:05.01`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:05.16`	`Jormungandr`	`here it's mormons`
`03:05.23`	`Jormungandr`	`although we get an occasional jw`
`03:06.06`	`fiberchunks`	`heh, I've got a funny story about jw at my door when I was younger and more bold ;)`
`03:06.13`	`sussudio`	`they stopped coming for about a year and a half after i told a pair i worshipped my lord satan`
`03:06.23`	`Jormungandr`	`I have one of those funny stories, too. :) trade ya.`
`03:06.49`	`Jormungandr`	`I dated a hungarian JW girl named aranka (goldie)`
`03:06.54`	`sussudio`	`when the first pair after that came with their story "how would you like it if there was peace all over the world"?`
`03:06.57`	`sussudio`	`i told em "i'd be bored as hell"`
`03:07.03`	`fiberchunks`	`they came to the door at about 6 am (as they seem to do), in the middle of summer all dressed in wool suits (incl the 6 yr old kid who would most likely rather be playing))`
`03:07.21`	`fiberchunks`	`woke my ass up, and I was on vacation (in high school at the time).`
`03:07.46`	`fiberchunks`	`so I come to the door, in my underwear, my hair was about 4 feet long then, and I had a beard about 1' long`
`03:07.52`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`03:08.12`	`fiberchunks`	`they said (after the initial look of horror), 'we have some stuff we want you to read'`
`03:08.58`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:09.00`	`fiberchunks`	`I said: 1. that kid should be playing with his friends you assholes, and then 2) I am sacrificing a goat in my backyard this afternoon...if you'd like I'll come to your house and explain the virtues of paganism`
`03:09.11`	`Jormungandr`	`hahahahaha`
`03:09.17`	`fiberchunks`	`after which I think I was blacklisted ;)`
`03:09.22`	`Jormungandr`	`in my pagan days, I was dating goldie...`
`03:09.30`	`fiberchunks`	`so no jehova for me - ah well`
`03:09.46`	`Jormungandr`	`and she told me thta her roommate, beth and her friend, John would be canvassing my neighborhood the next day.`
`03:09.52`	`Jormungandr`	`so they didn't know me...`
`03:09.53`	`fiberchunks`	`but you shoulda seen the look on their faces :)`
`03:09.59`	`Jormungandr`	`I saw them in the parking lot...`
`03:10.11`	`Jormungandr`	`I went and found my crystal ball (old heirloom)`
`03:10.39`	`Jormungandr`	`they knocked on door.. I answered... looked at ball... looked at them. "come on in Beth and John, I've been exepecting you.`
`03:10.42`	`Jormungandr`	`"`
`03:10.44`	`Jormungandr`	`they ran`
`03:10.45`	`Jormungandr`	`and ran`
`03:10.51`	`fiberchunks`	`LOL`
`03:11.05`	`Jormungandr`	`was funniest thing I ever saw.`
`03:11.09`	`fiberchunks`	`I see beatings in your near (very near) future`
`03:11.14`	`Jormungandr`	`women can run in heels.`
`03:11.36`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:11.58`	`Jormungandr`	`goldie said they were freaked for weeks.`
`03:12.08`	`sussudio`	`it's the same with political parties trying to give you pamplets here......`
`03:12.08`	`fiberchunks`	`I have no problem with religion per se, but why is it that religious people seem to feel the need to spout off at you if you don't believe what they do? :-\|`
`03:12.08`	`sussudio`	`we had elections last week`
`03:12.18`	`sussudio`	`so i just told em "i'm not going to vote for you lot, you mean nothing to me"`
`03:12.18`	`Jormungandr`	`her church told her to leave me or she'd be excommunicated.`
`03:12.38`	`Jormungandr`	`fiber, I'm a catholic monk. :)`
`03:12.47`	`fiberchunks`	`same principle as my statement above -- be a democrat - We kick ass!, be a republican - We kick ass -- to which I say: I'm independent, and I'll kick both your asses`
`03:12.47`	`Jormungandr`	`abbot of my order, in fact. :)`
`03:13.11`	`fiberchunks`	`Jormungandr: you are kidding, right?`
`03:13.18`	`Jormungandr`	`www.sacredcup.org nope.`
`03:13.31`	`fiberchunks`	`wow, cool -- a real live abbot ;)`
`03:13.38`	`Jormungandr`	`you can see me in vestments at www.sacredcup.org/frcameron/gallery`
`03:13.50`	`Jormungandr`	`in there somewhere.`
`03:13.51`	`sussudio`	`we rarely get these protestant weirdo sect, i dont know how to translate it`
`03:13.57`	`Jormungandr`	`fundies :)`
`03:13.59`	`sussudio`	`they wear black stockings`
`03:14.02`	`Jormungandr`	`ooof`
`03:14.03`	`Jormungandr`	`wow`
`03:14.13`	`Jormungandr`	`those evil-footed fundies :)`
`03:14.30`	`fiberchunks`	`Jormungandr: my primary grief comes when I lived in GA -- lots of fundas. and they always had a soap box to yell at you on`
`03:14.43`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:14.48`	`Jormungandr`	`I was a fundie as a teen.`
`03:14.49`	`sussudio`	`those bastards at the registrar's office wont take religion off my registry cause i was baptized`
`03:14.58`	`Jormungandr`	`gave that up for a spiritual life.`
`03:15.22`	`fiberchunks`	`good man - that's the difference - /spirituality/ versus /religion/ imho`
`03:15.47`	`Jormungandr`	`religious practice should be an expression of your spirituality, not the other way around.`
`03:16.14`	`Jormungandr`	`our Order is very much like Buddhist monks.`
`03:16.23`	`Jormungandr`	`in philosophy anyway.`
`03:16.49`	`fiberchunks`	`buddhism, as long as it's not ascetic, appeals to me quite a bit`
`03:16.54`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:17.05`	`Jormungandr`	`there are fundamentalists in every religion.`
`03:17.12`	`fiberchunks`	`true true`
`03:17.36`	`Jormungandr`	`miss the forest for the trees.`
`03:18.04`	`sussudio`	`well at least you dont have to deal with christian political parties`
`03:18.25`	`fiberchunks`	`what do you think republicans are?`
`03:18.39`	`sussudio`	`nothing like what they have here`
`03:18.39`	`fiberchunks`	`;)`
`03:18.48`	`sussudio`	`dutch reformed weirdos`
`03:18.51`	`Jormungandr`	`I have fairly good luck with most christians. I make them call me Dr. Mandrake. :)`
`03:18.53`	`fontenot`	`arg`
`03:18.58`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`03:19.04`	`fontenot`	`how did the worm affect the bank of america ATMs???`
`03:19.12`	`fontenot`	`that's extremely disturbing`
`03:19.14`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:19.24`	`sussudio`	`fontenot: stupidity on the bank's side`
`03:19.25`	`fiberchunks`	`prob because they used MS SQL`
`03:19.31`	`sussudio`	`nope`
`03:19.31`	`Jormungandr`	`either network load (DOS), like we had here at work, or they use MS SQL`
`03:19.49`	`sussudio`	`they shouldnt be running their traffic on the internet at all`
`03:19.52`	`fontenot`	`also the american express site is not letting me sign in`
`03:20.03`	`fontenot`	`i totally agree sussudio what are they thinking???`
`03:20.15`	`Jormungandr`	`we have about 1000 servers here and only a handful of ms sql machines, and we had 80% packet loss.`
`03:20.22`	`fontenot`	`atm traffic over the internet??`
`03:20.23`	`fiberchunks`	`wow`
`03:20.33`	`Jormungandr`	`and we have 2 gig-e feeds`
`03:20.37`	`Jormungandr`	`to level 3`
`03:20.40`	`fontenot`	`:-(`
`03:20.40`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah - to communicate with all the other little atms on the planet`
`03:21.00`	`sussudio`	`they dont have to communicate with other ATM's..... just the central server`
`03:21.03`	`Jormungandr`	`I used ATM at safeway the other day and I heard it dial the modem and connect. :)`
`03:21.23`	`fiberchunks`	`same at my convenience store -- makes me want to whip out the war dialer`
`03:21.28`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:21.32`	`sussudio`	`Jormungandr: that's basically what they do here, except it uses X25 (always-on data network) through an ISDN line`
`03:21.38`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`03:21.50`	`Jormungandr`	`I used to have a frame relay 64K circuit to my house.`
`03:22.38`	`Jormungandr`	`remember when telenet was around? you could access compuserve and delphi with it... even prodigy.`
`03:22.42`	`*** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~JeffM@adsl-64-167-76-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`03:22.44`	`Jormungandr`	`it was x25`
`03:22.47`	`Jormungandr`	`re pat.`
`03:22.57`	`fiberchunks`	`wb Patlabor221`
`03:23.05`	`Patlabor221`	`tks`
`03:23.24`	`Patlabor221`	`mmmm shrimp :)`
`03:23.54`	`Jormungandr`	`mmmm`
`03:23.57`	`Jormungandr`	`still waiting for dinner`
`03:24.12`	`fiberchunks`	`been a while`
`03:24.22`	`Jormungandr`	`hot and sour soup and pot stickers. the place I get soup from uses shrimp.`
`03:24.24`	`Patlabor221`	`waitin for the truck?`
`03:24.28`	`Jormungandr`	`no truck`
`03:24.40`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhhh`
`03:24.44`	`Jormungandr`	`waiting for friends to drop it off. :)`
`03:24.51`	`Jormungandr`	`truck on weekdays.`
`03:24.57`	`Patlabor221`	`those are good friends`
`03:25.00`	`Jormungandr`	`yesterday was bad truck experience.`
`03:25.01`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:25.02`	`Jormungandr`	`the best`
`03:25.16`	`Patlabor221`	`ooo I remember bad truck days`
`03:25.32`	`Jormungandr`	`had a double burger (which I don't do often) and it was almost raw.`
`03:25.41`	`Jormungandr`	`not pink... but red and cold.`
`03:25.44`	`Jormungandr`	`:/`
`03:25.53`	`Patlabor221`	`that is indeed nasty`
`03:26.29`	`Jormungandr`	`so, I need to refrain from the truck somehow.`
`03:26.36`	`Jormungandr`	`they give us free food`
`03:26.40`	`Jormungandr`	`so we don't leave our desk.`
`03:26.48`	`Jormungandr`	`I work for nazis :)`
`03:27.23`	`Patlabor221`	`federal law says you have to be given 2 15 min breaks`
`03:27.29`	`Patlabor221`	`and a 30 min lunch`
`03:27.40`	`Jormungandr`	`az is a right to work state.`
`03:27.43`	`fiberchunks`	`for an 8 hours shift`
`03:27.51`	`Jormungandr`	`they'd let me leave, but they'd find another reason to bitch.`
`03:28.03`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`03:28.08`	`Jormungandr`	`I am a VERY capable unix admin, with lots of experience, but the market has dried up.`
`03:28.14`	`fiberchunks`	`AZ, you lucky dog -- what's the weather like`
`03:28.18`	`Jormungandr`	`so I am working with another friend to start a colo business.`
`03:28.26`	`Jormungandr`	`it's been mid 70s this week.`
`03:28.31`	`fiberchunks`	`phbbt`
`03:28.34`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:28.40`	`Jormungandr`	`az is a dreamy place.`
`03:28.43`	`fiberchunks`	`it's about -30 in my basement`
`03:28.46`	`Patlabor221`	`same here`
`03:28.48`	`Jormungandr`	`brrrrr.`
`03:28.48`	`Patlabor221`	`little wind`
`03:28.56`	`Patlabor221`	`dude you need to move`
`03:28.57`	`Jormungandr`	`I used to live in wisconsin.`
`03:29.28`	`Patlabor221`	`you can come out here and work at luchup with my dad`
`03:29.36`	`fiberchunks`	`luchup?`
`03:29.49`	`Jormungandr`	`where you live, pat?`
`03:29.51`	`Patlabor221`	`locheed`
`03:29.59`	`Patlabor221`	`sother CS`
`03:30.01`	`Patlabor221`	`CA`
`03:30.02`	`Patlabor221`	`sorry`
`03:30.03`	`Jormungandr`	`cool.`
`03:30.15`	`Patlabor221`	`like an hour north and west of LA`
`03:30.30`	`fiberchunks`	`I don't necessarily mind the cold, but I can't stand my basement ;)`
`03:30.36`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:30.42`	`Patlabor221`	`we don't have basements`
`03:30.43`	`fiberchunks`	`montana and Idaho are nice`
`03:30.57`	`Jormungandr`	`my parents in WI just installed new central air/heating in their house.`
`03:31.01`	`Jormungandr`	`I love Idaho.`
`03:31.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I accedentlay drove thu idaho`
`03:31.10`	`Jormungandr`	`I spent about 5 years there in the 80s.`
`03:31.24`	`Jormungandr`	`az has lots of space.`
`03:31.35`	`fiberchunks`	`my parents were born and raised in pocatello`
`03:31.58`	`Jormungandr`	`in fact, my JW story takes place in Boise. :)`
`03:32.11`	`fiberchunks`	`hahahaha, why does that not surprise me`
`03:32.40`	`Jormungandr`	`I enjoyed Idaho.`
`03:33.08`	`Jormungandr`	`spent time in WI in 89,90. that was fun, but very cold.`
`03:33.22`	`Jormungandr`	`I was field engineer for cash register co.`
`03:33.26`	`Patlabor221`	`how can a CAT not like SHRIMP?`
`03:33.28`	`Jormungandr`	`drove all over 4 states.`
`03:33.36`	`Jormungandr`	`cat needs to see vet :)`
`03:33.43`	`Patlabor221`	`we just went`
`03:33.46`	`Jormungandr`	`ah`
`03:33.52`	`fiberchunks`	`only state I haven't yet been to for at least a week was hawaii`
`03:34.16`	`fiberchunks`	`alaska's gorgeous, but I couldn't handle the 24 hours of darkness / light thing for too long`
`03:34.45`	`Jormungandr`	`I have a friend who lives in alaska... a monk. he totally needs the wierd night time stuff there.`
`03:34.52`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`03:35.01`	`Jormungandr`	`during the times of year when it happens, he doesn't leave the state for anything.`
`03:35.18`	`Jormungandr`	`almost OCDish`
`03:35.39`	`Jormungandr`	`I threatened to reassign him to south america :)`
`03:35.47`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`03:41.13`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: like the smiley face on the missile :)`
`03:41.23`	`sussudio`	`AURORA UPDATE: A high-speed solar wind stream is buffeting Earth's magnetosphere. So far, however, geomagnetic activity has been modest with aurora sightings confined to high latitudes. Sky watchers in northern Europa, Canada, Alaska and other northern US states should remain alert for Northern Lights tonight.`
`03:41.40`	`Jormungandr`	`ooooh`
`03:41.51`	`Jormungandr`	`I love north lights.`
`03:42.05`	`sussudio`	`havent seen any here`
`03:42.32`	`Jormungandr`	`we are going on the fairy to ireland at about midnight, and saw them. gale force 7 winds, we had to hold ourselves to the deck, but it was incredible.`
`03:42.50`	`Patlabor221`	`fiber when you made your GL tutorials, did you include <GL/gl.h> or <GL/GL.H> ?`
`03:44.08`	`fiberchunks`	`yah`
`03:44.20`	`Patlabor221`	`what one?`
`03:44.23`	`Patlabor221`	`cap or no cap?`
`03:44.28`	`fiberchunks`	`GL/gl.h`
`03:46.14`	`Patlabor221`	`now how can I make it just show me the errors?`
`03:46.37`	`Patlabor221`	`I can not see how this is better then an IDE`
`03:47.25`	`fiberchunks`	`once you get used to it, it's much quicker to just redirect output to a log and then grep the log for [eE]rror`
`03:48.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it's much quiker to just have the compiler give you a list of errors tha you double click and it takes you right to them :)`
`03:49.01`	`Patlabor221`	`ok so make > mydumblog 2>&1 was it?`
`03:49.27`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, that's it`
`03:49.53`	`*** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip60.13-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com)`
`03:49.54`	`Patlabor221`	`amazed I remberd that`
`03:50.50`	`Patlabor221`	`didn't seem to make mydumblog`
`03:51.26`	`fiberchunks`	`or, if you'd rather see output on the screen as well, you could: make 2>&1 \| tee mylog.txt`
`03:51.27`	`Patlabor221`	`onn it did/ my bad`
`03:51.56`	`Patlabor221`	`not exactly usefull`
`03:51.57`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@Moljenor BZFlag-Zero]$ grep [eE]rror mydumblog`
`03:51.57`	`Patlabor221`	`make[1]: [targets] Error 1 (ignored)`
`03:51.57`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [BoltSceneNode.o] Error 1`
`03:51.57`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [OSFile.o] Error 1`
`03:51.59`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [bzflag.o] Error 1`
`03:52.01`	`Patlabor221`	`make[2]: *** [targets] Error 2`
`03:52.03`	`Patlabor221`	`make[1]: *** [targets] Error 2`
`03:52.05`	`Patlabor221`	`make: *** [default] Error 2`
`03:52.22`	`fiberchunks`	`make 2>&1 \| tee mylog.txt && grep [eE]rror mylog.txt > errorlog`
`03:53.09`	`fiberchunks`	`that was dumb of me: grep -in mylog.txt`
`03:53.58`	`fiberchunks`	`no, jeezus, type right /me!`
`03:54.03`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:54.13`	`fiberchunks`	`grep -in [eE]rror mylog.txt`
`03:54.32`	`fiberchunks`	`-n gives you line numbers`
`03:54.41`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh`
`03:54.42`	`fiberchunks`	`in the mylog file itself`
`03:55.16`	`fiberchunks`	`the way I do it is convoluted - I cat everything to a log, then just grep the log for errors / warnings`
`03:56.02`	`Jormungandr`	`grep -i error should give you same behavior as [eE}`
`03:56.07`	`Jormungandr`	`]`
`03:56.40`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, just saw that typo too -- I AM THE LORD OF BAD TYPING TONITE! BOW DOWN BEFORE MY M4D SKILLZ! :-\|`
`03:56.44`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`03:56.46`	`Patlabor221`	`crap says it can't fing GL/gl.h`
`03:57.05`	`Jormungandr`	`fiberchunks is a 10th degree master in typo-fu.`
`03:57.08`	`fiberchunks`	`make -I/usr/X11R6/include`
`03:57.13`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`03:58.11`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: ls /usr/X11R6/include/GL -- see if it's in there`
`03:58.52`	`Patlabor221`	`it's not`
`03:58.59`	`fiberchunks`	`that's your problem then`
`03:59.07`	`fiberchunks`	`locate gl.h \| less`
`03:59.07`	`Patlabor221`	`it's in usr/include`
`03:59.31`	`Patlabor221`	`it's in usr/include/GL`
`03:59.49`	`fiberchunks`	`is /usr/include/GL a symlink, or is it a real file?`
`03:59.58`	`fiberchunks`	`ll /usr/include/GL`
`04:00.00`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I tell?`
`04:00.07`	`fiberchunks`	`ls -l /usr/include/GL`
`04:00.24`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@Moljenor BZFlag-Zero]$ grep [eE]rror mydumblog`
`04:00.24`	`Patlabor221`	`make[1]: [targets] Error 1 (ignored)`
`04:00.24`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [BoltSceneNode.o] Error 1`
`04:00.24`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [OSFile.o] Error 1`
`04:00.25`	`Patlabor221`	`make[3]: *** [bzflag.o] Error 1`
`04:00.27`	`Patlabor221`	`make[2]: *** [targets] Error 2`
`04:00.29`	`Patlabor221`	`make[1]: *** [targets] Error 2`
`04:00.31`	`Patlabor221`	`make: *** [default] Error 2`
`04:00.33`	`Patlabor221`	`damnit`
`04:00.37`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@Moljenor JeffM]$ ll /usr/include/GL`
`04:00.38`	`Patlabor221`	`total 364`
`04:00.38`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`04:00.39`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 147494 Sep 5 20:28 glext.h`
`04:00.41`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 77761 Sep 5 20:28 gl.h`
`04:00.43`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 15916 Sep 5 20:28 glu.h`
`04:00.45`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 7828 Sep 5 20:29 GLwDrawA.h`
`04:00.47`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 4433 Sep 5 20:29 GLwDrawAP.h`
`04:00.49`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 2309 Sep 5 20:29 GLwMDrawA.h`
`04:00.51`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 2311 Sep 5 20:29 GLwMDrawAP.h`
`04:00.55`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 6817 Sep 5 20:28 glx.h`
`04:00.57`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 2543 Sep 5 20:28 glxint.h`
`04:00.59`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 2453 Sep 5 20:28 glxmd.h`
`04:01.01`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 51727 Sep 5 20:28 glxproto.h`
`04:01.03`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 8370 Sep 5 20:28 glxtokens.h`
`04:01.05`	`Patlabor221`	`-r--r--r-- 1 root root 8015 Sep 5 20:28 osmesa.h`
`04:01.07`	`Patlabor221`	`[JeffM@Moljenor JeffM]$`
`04:01.13`	`Patlabor221`	`shit just ate an entire shrmp plater`
`04:01.15`	`fiberchunks`	`hrmph, I think you'll have to change the makefile, as I think bz expects things to be in /usr/X11R6/include/GL`
`04:01.27`	`fiberchunks`	`lemme see`
`04:01.30`	`Jormungandr`	`or make soft link`
`04:01.31`	`Patlabor221`	`I'll just copy it then`
`04:01.35`	`Patlabor221`	`or do that`
`04:01.39`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`04:01.41`	`fiberchunks`	`yah = do that :)`
`04:01.44`	`Jormungandr`	`link is better :)`
`04:01.46`	`Patlabor221`	`what ever that is`
`04:01.49`	`fiberchunks`	`yes, it is`
`04:01.50`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I do it?`
`04:02.11`	`fiberchunks`	`ln -s /usr/include/GL /usr/X11R6/include/GL (i think)`
`04:02.16`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`04:02.54`	`fiberchunks`	`hooray, my poor typing skillz didn't diddle that command at least :)`
`04:03.01`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`04:03.25`	`Patlabor221`	`lemme guess gota bee root`
`04:03.31`	`fiberchunks`	`yup`
`04:03.32`	`Jormungandr`	`nod`
`04:04.49`	`Patlabor221`	`nope`
`04:04.54`	`Patlabor221`	`still same err`
`04:05.03`	`fiberchunks`	`hrmph`
`04:05.06`	`fiberchunks`	`wonder why`
`04:05.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I dono`
`04:05.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I can build regular BZ`
`04:05.54`	`fiberchunks`	`on that machine?`
`04:05.58`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`04:06.04`	`Patlabor221`	`and Zero before this change`
`04:06.08`	`fiberchunks`	`did you change the makefile for bzfZ?`
`04:06.12`	`fiberchunks`	`what did you do`
`04:06.27`	`Patlabor221`	`added 2 files to this project`
`04:06.36`	`Patlabor221`	`just like the other ones were added`
`04:06.47`	`Patlabor221`	`the error is in one of my new headers`
`04:06.53`	`Patlabor221`	`let me see how BZ includes it`
`04:07.43`	`fiberchunks`	`then it most certainly isn't a lack of gl.h -- it's something else entirely -- /me didn't know that bz compiled fine on that system`
`04:11.22`	`Patlabor221`	`ahhh BZ does indeed do it WIERD`
`04:12.32`	`fiberchunks`	`why am I not surprisede`
`04:12.37`	`fiberchunks`	`how does bz do it`
`04:12.41`	`Patlabor221`	`#include "bzfgl.h"`
`04:12.57`	`Patlabor221`	`boat load of crap in there to get it right for the plat`
`04:14.32`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`04:14.42`	`fiberchunks`	`brb, must get cancer sticks`
`04:27.31`	`fiberchunks`	`ah what?`
`04:27.51`	`Patlabor221`	`someone who will make my stuff work on linux`
`04:28.18`	`fiberchunks`	`I can try, but I don't know if I have the time to do it properly -- is it still not working?`
`04:28.37`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh I'm geting there slowly :)`
`04:28.51`	`Patlabor221`	`AnimMesh.cxx is now going finaly :)`
`04:29.05`	`fiberchunks`	`goody`
`04:29.49`	`Patlabor221`	`just sucks cus I'm trying to be plat indipendent`
`04:30.05`	`Patlabor221`	`but then I make typos that don't throw errors in win :)`
`04:30.17`	`fiberchunks`	`good man -- perhaps you'll port your editor to linux then? ;)`
`04:30.28`	`Patlabor221`	`that will not be a port`
`04:30.41`	`Patlabor221`	`that will be a complete frikin rewrite`
`04:30.45`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe`
`04:30.47`	`Patlabor221`	`ground up`
`04:30.53`	`Patlabor221`	`it's MFC`
`04:30.58`	`Patlabor221`	`a port would be stupid`
`04:31.09`	`Patlabor221`	`I'd like to do it in SDL and use pico`
`04:31.39`	`Patlabor221`	`but no pico lib on der windowsen yet`
`04:32.18`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`04:32.42`	`Patlabor221`	`bah makefile crap again`
`04:32.57`	`fiberchunks`	`pardon my ignorance captain_proton and scanline, but what does picogui give you, a set of widgets?`
`04:33.07`	`fiberchunks`	`what now?`
`04:33.38`	`Patlabor221`	../../lib/libGeometry.a(AnimMesh.o): In function `AnimModel::LoadA3D(char const*)':
`04:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x1756): undefined reference to `OSFile::OSFile[in-charge](char const*)'
`04:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x176a): undefined reference to `OSFile::Open(bool, bool)'
`04:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x1778): undefined reference to `OSFile::GetFile()'
`04:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x17c8): undefined reference to `OSFile::~OSFile [in-charge]()'
`04:33.39`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x2481): undefined reference to `OSFile::Close()'
`04:33.41`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x25ac): undefined reference to `OSFile::~OSFile [in-charge]()'
`04:33.43`	`Patlabor221`	AnimMesh.o(.text+0x29b1): undefined reference to `OSFile::~OSFile [in-charge]()'
`04:33.45`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmmm`
`04:33.53`	`Patlabor221`	`it's like it won't link in the other class`
`04:34.26`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm`
`04:35.33`	`Patlabor221`	`but OSFile is in libPlatform.a`
`04:35.43`	`Patlabor221`	`wonder if it geo dosn't use it`
`04:36.13`	`Patlabor221`	`Help me Captain_proton your my only hope!!!!`
`04:36.19`	`Jormungandr`	`oooof.. hot and sour soup is SPICEY today.`
`04:36.29`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it is very "odd"`
`04:36.44`	`fiberchunks`	`~dict froody`
`04:36.55`	`fiberchunks`	`~dict cruft`
`04:37.14`	`fiberchunks`	`~dict bogacious`
`04:37.24`	`Patlabor221`	`~dict crap`
`04:37.38`	`fiberchunks`	`bah, someone should link ibot with the jargon file ;)`
`04:38.37`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`04:38.47`	`Patlabor221`	`hell where is MAC`
`04:38.54`	`fiberchunks`	`angelina jolie is entirely too sexy :)`
`04:38.56`	`Patlabor221`	`I would think he would want to see the missiles`
`04:39.05`	`Jormungandr`	`you could prolly make an mysql database, and do lookups that way. blootbot is cool code.`
`04:47.55`	`Patlabor221`	`ok now this is the best new GL screen shot EVER. let me post it`
`04:49.32`	`Patlabor221`	`www.bakadigital.com/sayhellolittlefriend.png`
`04:49.53`	`fiberchunks`	`page cannot be found`
`04:49.58`	`Patlabor221`	`gaaaaa`
`04:51.17`	`*** join/#bzflag Fhwqugads_ (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`04:51.21`	`Fhwqugads_`	`http://www.bakadigital.com/SayHelloLitttleFriend.png`
`04:51.23`	`Fhwqugads_`	`there]`
`04:51.32`	`Patlabor221`	`I too can not type tonight :)`
`04:51.43`	`fiberchunks`	`ahahahahahahaha, nice`
`04:51.47`	`Patlabor221`	`GM not GL`
`04:52.04`	`Patlabor221`	`it spins at it comes at you too`
`04:52.17`	`Patlabor221`	`it was a bitch geting that too`
`04:52.28`	`Patlabor221`	`had to test how close I could get to a reflec tporter`
`04:52.38`	`Jormungandr`	`aaaw it's an adorable way to die!`
`04:52.47`	`Patlabor221`	`I should just turn off self kills for those shots`
`04:52.52`	`fiberchunks`	`makes me _want_ to get hit by one :)`
`04:52.57`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`04:53.12`	`Patlabor221`	`Right now it says "heya" on the side`
`04:53.17`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it should say "sorry"`
`04:53.18`	`fiberchunks`	`har`
`04:53.20`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`04:53.41`	`Patlabor221`	`this is why I want to get this build on leenox`
`04:55.54`	`Patlabor221`	`2 things`
`04:55.59`	`Patlabor221`	`1) case sensitivity`
`04:56.08`	`Patlabor221`	`2) difrent build process`
`04:56.14`	`Patlabor221`	`windows dosn't use the make files`
`04:56.24`	`Patlabor221`	`and I know how to work the DSWs and DSPs`
`04:56.42`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`04:57.38`	`Patlabor221`	`maybe I should take out the teeth and give him a red tounge`
`04:57.52`	`Jormungandr`	`that's be funny.`
`04:58.01`	`Jormungandr`	`that'd`
`04:58.05`	`Patlabor221`	`nice thing is the model is external`
`04:58.22`	`Patlabor221`	`and the texture dosn't have animations in it`
`04:58.27`	`Patlabor221`	`so you can replace them at will`
`05:01.10`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: where are those files you're adding going?`
`05:01.16`	`fiberchunks`	`directory wise`
`05:01.16`	`Patlabor221`	`coud fire lazer guided toyotas if you wanted`
`05:01.30`	`fiberchunks`	`frogs`
`05:01.35`	`Patlabor221`	`2 in src/geo`
`05:01.41`	`Patlabor221`	`1 in src/patform`
`05:01.51`	`Patlabor221`	`and 3 in include`
`05:02.28`	`Jormungandr`	`heh`
`05:02.29`	`Patlabor221`	`cxx and h files for OSFile AnimMesh and geoGlobals`
`05:02.29`	`fiberchunks`	`have you modified any of the Makefiles at all?`
`05:02.33`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`05:02.45`	`Patlabor221`	`the 2 for each of the sub projects`
`05:03.05`	`fiberchunks`	`src/geo and src/platform`
`05:03.25`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`05:05.33`	`*** join/#bzflag iambzflag (~d8088078@203.194.240.139)`
`05:05.56`	`*** join/#bzflag Fhwqugads_ (~jeffm@adsl-64-167-76-123.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net)`
`05:06.29`	`Patlabor221-5`	`could do this`
`05:06.29`	`Patlabor221-5`	`http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/177482/Action/FullPreview`
`05:06.34`	`Patlabor221-5`	`lazer guided kittens`
`05:06.41`	`Vernon`	`~bzflist`
`05:07.04`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`05:07.17`	`Patlabor221-5`	`or a giant eye ball`
`05:07.18`	`Patlabor221-5`	`http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/171996/Action/FullPreview`
`05:07.58`	`Vernon`	`Hey Tim, for whatever it's worth, there is an issue with HIX 2.0 ... you probably already know about it ...`
`05:08.56`	`Jormungandr`	`I need to decide on a new map for dragon.org soon.`
`05:11.20`	`Patlabor221-5`	`here we go, fire penguins`
`05:11.21`	`Patlabor221-5`	`http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/150547/Action/FullPreview`
`05:11.23`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: the issue with the HIX map is ... you can hide your flag in a wall ... it maybe possible to get it back out, but i have not proven that yet ...`
`05:11.52`	`fiberchunks`	`I would opt for that model :)`
`05:12.14`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: anyway ... if it is possible (albeit inconvenient) to get the flag back out, then it is not an issue :)`
`05:12.41`	`Patlabor221-5`	`if it makes it into CVS then we can make a set of models and textures on a wiki page, that people could use`
`05:12.48`	`fiberchunks`	`a /flag reset command should be able to do it (but you need admin privs to do that command)`
`05:12.55`	`Jormungandr`	`I love HIX 2.0 map, but have discovered thta bug, too.`
`05:12.58`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: But I have never seen anyone get the flag out once i put it in there`
`05:13.20`	`Vernon`	`Jormungandr: HIX is the _best_ CTF map.`
`05:13.26`	`Patlabor221-5`	`how could it be fixed?`
`05:13.28`	`fiberchunks`	`including with a /flag reset command?`
`05:13.36`	`Jormungandr`	`I like that one, but also like a few others.`
`05:13.42`	`fiberchunks`	`oh, do you mean a team flag, or a super flag?`
`05:13.43`	`Vernon`	`ni can see several ways ...`
`05:13.45`	`Jormungandr`	`I want to make one, bu tneed the time.`
`05:13.47`	`Jormungandr`	`team flag`
`05:13.49`	`Vernon`	`ni <- LOL!`
`05:13.55`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`05:14.32`	`TimRiker`	`Vernon: where?`
`05:14.38`	`Jormungandr`	`there is a spot (maybe more) on the helix where you can drop a team flag, and it is totally impossible to retreive.`
`05:14.39`	`Vernon`	`The easiest way to fix the issue is to make one of the platforms much thicker in one area`
`05:14.44`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I'd fix it the best way you would like, and submit it as a posible hix 2.1`
`05:14.52`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: hmm ... want me to show you?`
`05:15.06`	`TimRiker`	`sure. on one cause it's less crowded?`
`05:15.09`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: I am running HIX now at vernon.is-a-geek.org`
`05:15.09`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`05:15.19`	`TimRiker`	`ok, vernon then.`
`05:15.20`	`Vernon`	`Oh ok`
`05:15.24`	`Vernon`	`Ok vernon`
`05:16.56`	`Patlabor221-5`	`dangit now free cow models`
`05:17.28`	`Jormungandr`	`feche le vash`
`05:17.29`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`05:17.32`	`Patlabor221-5`	`ya`
`05:17.37`	`Jormungandr`	`gotta have the sound`
`05:17.45`	`fiberchunks`	`if you shot a cow, you could make the wav a mooph!`
`05:17.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`can change the flyby shound to MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO`
`05:17.51`	`Patlabor221-5`	`yeah`
`05:18.28`	`fiberchunks`	`any misses could go splut, instead of explode`
`05:18.32`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`05:18.56`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hmmmmm be nice if the GM exposion was difrent from the regular one :)`
`05:19.27`	`fiberchunks`	`oooo, that reminds me: why would an nearby explosion cause my laptop GeF4 to slow down horrifically?`
`05:19.43`	`fiberchunks`	`for example, I kill someone real close, and my card slows to a crawl`
`05:19.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hmmmm`
`05:19.53`	`Patlabor221-5`	`shouldn't`
`05:19.59`	`Patlabor221-5`	`but there are state issues`
`05:20.04`	`fiberchunks`	`but once the explosion clears, the card's back to normal`
`05:21.56`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hmm I could make the GM's arrows`
`05:22.10`	`Patlabor221-5`	`make it take about 3 to kill ya, and make em stick :)`
`05:22.34`	`Patlabor221-5`	`or Copies of Apple's copland beta`
`05:23.12`	`fiberchunks`	`I liked your Uma Thurman head concept :)`
`05:23.24`	`Patlabor221-5`	`ohh that's an old joke`
`05:23.33`	`Patlabor221-5`	`when we first made a particle system at work`
`05:23.55`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the guy who did it didnt' realy get GL, and I was showing him`
`05:24.11`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and I said" hell you could put anything for a texture"`
`05:24.16`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so he used uma thurmans head`
`05:24.23`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`05:24.24`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and we made a uma fountan`
`05:24.32`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and uma fire`
`05:24.38`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and uma sparklers`
`05:24.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`it was rather funny`
`05:24.57`	`fiberchunks`	`I imagine so`
`05:25.10`	`Patlabor221-5`	`could make the model a fat man, and change the flyby sound to "get in me belly"`
`05:25.23`	`fiberchunks`	`hehe`
`05:27.14`	`Patlabor221-5`	`then when you get GM, you could have a missle rack atach to the tank`
`05:27.29`	`Patlabor221-5`	`MG would change the barrel into a chain gun`
`05:27.40`	`fiberchunks`	`you could have a 'joke shot' flag that sticks one of them 'bang!' flags out of the barrel when someone takes a shot :)`
`05:27.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`RT and LT could maybe break one of your treaks`
`05:27.59`	`Patlabor221-5`	`yeah`
`05:28.04`	`Patlabor221-5`	`that would be the useless flag`
`05:28.39`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I don't think it would change gameplay much since you see the flag code after everyone anyway`
`05:28.54`	`Patlabor221-5`	`High Speed could put thrusters on the tank`
`05:29.41`	`Patlabor221-5`	`Genoside would be a large flag with a skull and cross bones`
`05:29.46`	`Patlabor221-5`	`that would be neat`
`05:33.26`	`Vernon`	`Anyone know of a way in Linux (Gnome or KDE) to "Alt-Tab" out of a full-screen bzflag client, back onto your desktop, while paused?`
`05:33.31`	`TimRiker`	`Vernon: Jormungandr: ok, new map uploaded to the Maps tracker on SF.`
`05:33.39`	`fiberchunks`	`no, you can't`
`05:33.45`	`Vernon`	`Wow ... that was fast`
`05:33.48`	`Vernon`	`nThanks`
`05:33.53`	`TimRiker`	`heh 'n'`
`05:33.54`	`Vernon`	`nthanks <- LOL!`
`05:33.57`	`fiberchunks`	`nyour welcome :)`
`05:34.05`	`TimRiker`	`nno problem.`
`05:34.15`	`TimRiker`	`mwhat a fool. (jk)`
`05:34.39`	`Vernon`	`TimRiker: you must know a way to "Alt-Tab" out of a full-screen bzflag client, back onto your desktop, while paused?`
`05:34.54`	`TimRiker`	`nope. but if you run windowed you can.`
`05:35.16`	`Vernon`	`When i do that ... my mouse is still caught in the bzflag window space ...`
`05:35.30`	`fiberchunks`	`put mousegrab no in the .bzflag file`
`05:35.31`	`Vernon`	`and it cannot affect other windows`
`05:35.42`	`TimRiker`	`some folks run 2 X servers and then run BZ on the 2nd server, then ctrl-alt-f7 and f8 switch back and forth.`
`05:35.53`	`Vernon`	`"Alt-Tab" pushes bzflag to the back, but does not free my mouse`
`05:36.02`	`TimRiker`	`when you pause, the mouse should be freed.`
`05:36.10`	`Vernon`	`Ahhh!`
`05:36.30`	`Vernon`	`Great game`
`05:37.55`	`Patlabor221-5`	`Tim seen my happymissile?`
`05:38.09`	`Patlabor221-5`	`www.bakadigital.com/SayHelloLitttleFriend.png`
`05:39.00`	`Patlabor221-5`	`ok now that didn't sound dirty.`
`05:39.28`	`TimRiker`	`a fish? ;-)`
`05:39.58`	`Patlabor221-5`	`no just a missile with a happy face. looking for a fish model`
`05:39.59`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`05:40.01`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and a cow model`
`05:40.31`	`TimRiker`	`xscreensaver atlantis module has a whale and dolphins`
`05:40.43`	`TimRiker`	`not sure what format they are in though.`
`05:40.48`	`TimRiker`	`might be compiled in.`
`05:40.49`	`Patlabor221-5`	`turbo squid has a bunch of them, looking tru them now.`
`05:41.15`	`TimRiker`	`~seen jzaun`
`05:41.15`		`jzaun <~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 5d 11h 44m 40s ago, saying: 'do a seach for 176 you'll see it'.`
`05:43.04`	`TimRiker`	`anyone tried jzaun's interface lately?`
`05:43.16`	`Patlabor221-5`	`his HUD`
`05:43.16`	`fiberchunks`	`what, the HUD?`
`05:43.22`	`Patlabor221-5`	`yeah it's rather nice`
`05:43.22`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, I really like`
`05:43.22`	`fiberchunks`	`it`
`05:43.27`	`Patlabor221-5`	`but I'm biased`
`05:45.59`	`Vernon`	`BZFlag is now a regular feature of the last half of our Linux installfests in Orlando ... really great for busting up any boredom with Linux-ness`
`05:46.30`	`*** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl3x11.chesco.com)`
`05:46.53`	`fiberchunks`	`heh, his ears must've been burning`
`05:47.14`	`Vernon`	`Still need to talk to a gentleman about finding some good public LANs on Disney property to host bzflag :)`
`05:48.05`	`Vernon`	`s/public/park/`
`05:48.23`	`Jormungandr`	`I should have my server up on faster network soon, so bzflag is gunna rock on it. :)`
`05:48.44`	`Vernon`	`Maybe "Disney Quest" would like it ...`
`05:48.46`	`Jormungandr`	`waiting for qwest and fiber is like waiting for paint to peel.`
`05:48.47`	`Jormungandr`	`:(`
`05:49.51`	`TimRiker`	`heh. BZFlag at Disney would rock.`
`05:50.01`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: welcome back. fix cvs. ;-)`
`05:50.10`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`05:50.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`saw your message, what problems do you have`
`05:50.20`	`Vernon`	`We've got several folks in our LUG that work for Disney IT`
`05:50.31`	`Patlabor221-5`	`there he is.`
`05:50.34`	`Vernon`	`They will know`
`05:50.40`	`TimRiker`	`this str::vector<str::string> stuff for parms does not work.`
`05:50.51`	`Vernon`	`where the good LANs are around Disney`
`05:51.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes i saw that, but compile errors? run-time?`
`05:51.43`	`TimRiker`	`compile errors.`
`05:51.47`	`MrApathyCream`	`sample?`
`05:51.53`	`TimRiker`	`sure... one sec...`
`05:52.15`	`TimRiker`	network.cxx: In function `void nerror(const char *)':
`05:52.16`	`TimRiker`	network.cxx:36: passing `const char *' as argument 2 of `printError(const string &, const vector<basic_str
`05:52.16`	`TimRiker`	`ing<char,string_char_traits<char>,__default_alloc_template<true,0> >,allocator<basic_string<char,string_ch`
`05:52.16`	`TimRiker`	`ar_traits<char>,__default_alloc_template<true,0> > > > *)'`
`05:52.54`	`TimRiker`	`what compiler are you using that actually works with that?`
`05:53.17`	`Vernon`	`Oh yea ... another issue you probably already know about ....`
`05:53.26`	`TimRiker`	`Vernon: hit me`
`05:53.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah, #if !defined(_WIN3`
`05:53.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`:):)`
`05:53.44`	`Vernon`	`The maximum nuber of flags ... which does not appear to be hard coded ...`
`05:53.59`	`Vernon`	`appears to be limited by bandwidth`
`05:54.12`	`Vernon`	`for e.g.`
`05:54.15`	`TimRiker`	`Vernon: yeah, if it's too high it will not let you connect cause the world fills the tcp queue`
`05:54.28`	`Vernon`	`on that HIX 2 ma p ... yea`
`05:54.34`	`TimRiker`	`on any map.`
`05:54.50`	`TimRiker`	`should put a flag limit in the code I guess.`
`05:54.58`	`Vernon`	`Ahh ... well the most flags i could get on HIX is 350 without dropping folks`
`05:55.26`	`Vernon`	`Anyway ... a really large number of flags is interesting`
`05:55.46`	`Vernon`	`it makes the tanks harder to see on the radar`
`05:55.50`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: so what's the plan? I'd recommend varargs myself. any compiler should handle that. alternatively we could just always pass to strings? will NULL get promoted to a NULL string? of have two calls one with 2 strings and one with 3`
`05:55.56`	`Vernon`	`and adds another dimension to the game ...`
`05:56.00`	`Vernon`	`hiding among the flags`
`05:56.09`	`Vernon`	`also as the game is played ...`
`05:56.19`	`Vernon`	`you can see where everyone tends to die ...`
`05:56.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`strerror and hstrerror return char* i assume?`
`05:56.28`	`Vernon`	`(where the flags are piling up)`
`05:56.39`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: yep`
`05:56.53`	`Vernon`	`so you dare not venture into those areas ... unless you need a flag :)`
`05:56.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: Windows doesn't handle positional varargs`
`05:57.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`%$2s, etc`
`05:57.22`	`TimRiker`	`bummer.`
`05:57.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`plus we need to translate the parms, which wouldn't be pleasant to do`
`05:57.54`	`TimRiker`	`I meant for printError it could be (char , char , ...)`
`05:58.41`	`TimRiker`	`or both (char , char ) and (char , char , char *)`
`06:00.07`	`TimRiker`	`substitute std::string if you must. ;-)`
`06:00.11`	`Vernon`	`Monty Python used cows and other beasts ... they got away with it ... barely`
`06:00.14`	`fiberchunks`	`what is bzwtransform?`
`06:00.23`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: I want a rubber chicken. ;-)`
`06:00.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: a tool for doing transformations on a bzw world`
`06:00.44`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`06:01.23`	`TimRiker`	`misc/bzwcvt.pl is in cvs for deg/rad conversion on worlds.`
`06:01.40`	`TimRiker`	`I think everyone is using degs now though.`
`06:01.58`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I wish I coudl find a cow or a chicken model`
`06:02.02`	`Patlabor221-5`	`or even a tux one`
`06:02.12`	`fiberchunks`	`use the jetstream cow`
`06:02.27`	`Jormungandr`	`ack.. irc rerouting is no fun.`
`06:02.29`	`fiberchunks`	`oh, nm, those are jpeg`
`06:02.47`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: are the models in bz hard to manipulate?`
`06:03.00`	`Patlabor221-5`	`bwahahahaha`
`06:03.02`	`Patlabor221-5`	`not for me :)`
`06:03.06`	`Patlabor221-5`	`since I replaced them`
`06:03.10`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: are there models in bz?`
`06:03.18`	`Vernon`	`guess so`
`06:03.20`	`Patlabor221-5`	`thre were`
`06:03.28`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hardcoded thingys`
`06:03.35`	`Patlabor221-5`	`making them read external files`
`06:03.43`	`TimRiker`	`there is a tux model in TuxRacer cvs, no?`
`06:03.49`	`Patlabor221-5`	`got GM to be a missile as a test`
`06:03.56`	`Patlabor221-5`	`there must be I'll take a look`
`06:04.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`anything besides network.cxx?`
`06:04.05`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and now the GM is a fish`
`06:04.11`	`Patlabor221-5`	`lazer guided atomic fish`
`06:04.13`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: He he`
`06:04.37`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: so tweak it until it looks like a penguin`
`06:04.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`it' realy looks like a fish`
`06:05.12`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: got a shot of it? url?`
`06:05.32`	`Patlabor221-5`	`let me take a shot`
`06:06.07`	`Patlabor221-5`	`from the editor`
`06:06.17`	`Vernon`	`MrApathyCream: so what is the develppment platform of choice?`
`06:06.26`	`Vernon`	`Patlabor221: ok`
`06:06.38`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the one that works :)`
`06:06.53`	`Patlabor221-5`	`not that silly secondary platfrom most of you use :)`
`06:06.59`	`fiberchunks`	`Vernon: if you listen to MAC and Patlabor221, it's windows :(`
`06:07.14`	`Vernon`	`fiberchunks: wimps!`
`06:07.15`	`fiberchunks`	`phbbt :)`
`06:07.16`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hey I get fish on windows, and errors on linux, nuf said`
`06:07.22`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`06:07.29`	`Vernon`	`he he`
`06:07.40`	`Patlabor221-5`	`uploading fish now`
`06:07.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`www.bakadigital.com/fish.jpg`
`06:07.52`	`fiberchunks`	`'uploading fish' just sounds odd ;)`
`06:08.08`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so did "have you seen my happy missile"`
`06:08.10`	`fiberchunks`	`hahahaha, I like it`
`06:08.22`	`fiberchunks`	`ROFL, good point`
`06:08.27`	`Jormungandr`	`missiles should not look so cuddly. :)`
`06:08.28`	`Vernon`	`now that is a fish!`
`06:08.29`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I just killed myself with a fish`
`06:08.32`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: that and the linker errors. so I think that's it.`
`06:08.42`	`Patlabor221-5`	`well then jord make a new texture for it`
`06:08.52`	`Jormungandr`	`does if flap while it flies, pat?`
`06:08.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`linker errors?`
`06:09.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`instead of smoke puffs, you get air bubbles`
`06:09.24`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:09.24`	`Patlabor221-5`	`no, the model wasn't animated`
`06:09.31`	`Jormungandr`	`that might be funny.`
`06:09.36`	`Patlabor221-5`	`but the model class does support animated models`
`06:09.41`	`Jormungandr`	`oooh`
`06:09.50`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so I could make them loop thre frames if the model has them`
`06:09.56`	`Jormungandr`	`:)`
`06:09.59`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: missing Net.a cause of the previous error.`
`06:10.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`a`
`06:10.04`	`TimRiker`	`fixed in cvs now?`
`06:10.05`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`06:10.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`should be`
`06:10.16`	`Jormungandr`	`afk for a few.`
`06:10.20`	`Vernon`	`It should fire when you pick up the bad flag called "Wanda", and then when you fire ...`
`06:10.27`	`MrApathyCream`	`i couldn't really compile it,`
`06:10.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`fns that don't exist on win weere there ... but compiler didn't complain`
`06:10.46`	`Vernon`	`the fish should flop and twitch on the ground in front of you`
`06:11.22`	`Patlabor221-5`	`MAC I made you a new bin to look at`
`06:11.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`w00t!`
`06:11.29`	`TimRiker`	`args.push_back(strerror(errorno)); <- errorno undefined.`
`06:11.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`arg`
`06:11.42`	`Patlabor221-5`	`but it seems you have stuff to do :)`
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`06:13.37`	`TimRiker`	`errno`
`06:13.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`heh`
`06:13.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`errno, yup`
`06:13.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`stupid`
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`06:15.16`	`TimRiker`	`include/ErrorHandler.h and src/common/ErrorHandler.cxx have not been updated in cvs yet.`
`06:16.27`	`TimRiker`	`I presume you changed printError there?`
`06:17.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`06:17.53`	`TimRiker`	`not commited?`
`06:18.07`	`fiberchunks`	`can someone walk me through the build process( files touched and what not )?`
`06:18.17`	`fiberchunks`	`in linux, that is`
`06:18.39`	`TimRiker`	`fiberchunks: other than "make linux-i386 ; make" ?`
`06:18.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`checking`
`06:18.59`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah, not the process itself, I know how to do that -- I mean the actions taken`
`06:19.10`	`fiberchunks`	`when you issue make; make linux`
`06:19.14`	`fiberchunks`	`err, other way around`
`06:19.40`	`TimRiker`	`make calls make once for each subdir. libs go in lib/ bins in bin/`
`06:19.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`printError should be in cxx version 1.4.2.3`
`06:20.13`	`fiberchunks`	`what happens when you issue make <platform> ?`
`06:20.30`	`fiberchunks`	`and where is that platform's config info written?`
`06:20.44`	`TimRiker`	`config gets copied down to config-sys`
`06:20.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`and 1.3.2.3 in include`
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`06:21.31`	`TimRiker`	`void printError(const std::string &fmt, const std::vector<std::string> *parms = NULL);`
`06:21.56`	`TimRiker`	`ahh... might be sticky...`
`06:22.31`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. nope. I did a "`
`06:22.33`	`TimRiker`	`cvs up -Pdr v1_7`
`06:22.39`	`TimRiker`	`and got noe new versions.`
`06:25.57`	`TimRiker`	`got include 1.3.2.3 and that's the printError def.`
`06:28.29`	`Jormungandr`	`ack.. heads up... some of the test centers that have clocks set +12hrs are getting new releases of this virus thingy at 12noon EST.`
`06:29.06`	`Patlabor221-5`	`if fThisParam is a float, this will just give me the decimal part right? fThisParam = fThisParam- ((int)fThisParam);`
`06:30.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: The lines above are what i expected, what were you looking for?`
`06:30.27`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: that fixed it. I must have had a stale .o someplace.`
`06:30.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`06:30.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`i stewed over that design for awhile, was unpleasant but others seemed worse`
`06:31.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`I spose you could do printError( "...", parm(0), parm("test"), parm(1.4));`
`06:31.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`where parm was a class that allowed us access to figure which were strings or not`
`06:31.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`but seemed like lots of temp obj allocs`
`06:32.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 where is the binary?`
`06:33.07`	`TimRiker`	`agreed.`
`06:33.15`	`Patlabor221-5`	`www.bakadigital.com/zero/test/bzflag-zero.zip`
`06:33.17`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I think`
`06:33.25`	`TimRiker`	`the pyramid fix is unexpected sometimes. ;-)`
`06:33.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: huh?`
`06:33.38`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and if you want fishpack.zip in the same folder.`
`06:33.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the coliding into ones in the air?`
`06:34.05`	`TimRiker`	`try jumping up in the high center post on hix2 now. ;-) or into the "trees" on the river map.`
`06:34.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`meaning, it doesn't work, or that you don't like that you collide?`
`06:34.45`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: yeah, current CVS will not drive through pyramids that it should not.`
`06:34.47`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I wanted to try making the tank jump back a bit when you hit one, so you would sorta "slide" down`
`06:35.02`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I saw the report, didn't realise you put the patch in.`
`06:35.10`	`TimRiker`	`it's correct now from what I can tell, just got used to the bug is all. ;-)`
`06:35.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`gotcha`
`06:35.32`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream did.`
`06:35.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`I would think that the back jump oo 'bug' should be easy to fix too.`
`06:35.59`	`TimRiker`	`I don't mind that back oo.`
`06:35.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`as regular tanks don't exhibit the problem`
`06:36.25`	`TimRiker`	`changing it would me monitoring where you were headed when you jumped.`
`06:36.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: think the capture flag after grab flag cheat is important enough to protect against?`
`06:36.53`	`TimRiker`	`ie: if you are headed for a building and you turn while jumping, should you be able to oo or not? ;-)`
`06:37.27`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: I'd prefer to check to see that you are on your base when you capture a flag.`
`06:37.49`	`TimRiker`	`course then all they need to do is teleport to the flag and teleport back.`
`06:38.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: yes, that's what you'd do`
`06:38.06`	`TimRiker`	`so next we'll need to check for tank teleporting.`
`06:38.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`pos diferences, yo mean?`
`06:38.37`	`TimRiker`	`so yes to a base check on flag capture.`
`06:38.40`	`Patlabor221-5`	`do you now check for a tank making shots that are not of the type that is of the tanks current flag?`
`06:38.45`	`TimRiker`	`yeah, pos differences.`
`06:38.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 yes`
`06:38.54`	`Patlabor221-5`	`good`
`06:38.56`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221-5: yes`
`06:38.58`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 they get converted to plain`
`06:39.05`	`Patlabor221-5`	`ohh`
`06:39.14`	`Patlabor221-5`	`what about plain shots when you have like SW?`
`06:39.14`	`TimRiker`	`we also check for distant shots iirc`
`06:39.25`	`Patlabor221-5`	`what about shots at the wrong angle?`
`06:39.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`lag may cause this to happen normally`
`06:39.29`	`TimRiker`	`so plain shots are always allowed.`
`06:39.45`	`Patlabor221-5`	`these are 2 things that zero does that could still be used as cheats`
`06:39.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 shots at the wrong angle are not protected against yet`
`06:40.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`good thunkin`
`06:40.43`	`TimRiker`	`I don't think we check shot angle yet.`
`06:40.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
`06:41.04`	`TimRiker`	`should be easy to add.`
`06:41.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyone report CLOSE_WAIT today?`
`06:41.06`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I just know that what zero does shoued be proteceed against, also shots that are slower then they should be`
`06:41.14`	`TimRiker`	`not that I've heard.`
`06:41.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`slow shots are also not protected against`
`06:41.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`once again, ickey, if tank is going backwards, and shooting..... sigh`
`06:41.49`	`Patlabor221-5`	`yes`
`06:41.50`	`TimRiker`	`we should check vel=0`
`06:41.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`that would suck`
`06:42.04`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: heh, lay egg shots`
`06:42.06`	`Patlabor221-5`	`0 is allready done`
`06:42.18`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I could not make my mines have a vel of 0`
`06:42.21`	`Patlabor221-5`	`they would not show`
`06:42.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: although you would probably kill yourself`
`06:42.31`	`Patlabor221-5`	`not if you make them behind you`
`06:42.39`	`Patlabor221-5`	`I had to give them a very slow speed`
`06:42.41`	`TimRiker`	`brb`
`06:42.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and DON"T lay mines while backing up :)`
`06:43.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`79%`
`06:44.24`	`Patlabor221-5`	`ohh my this looks like it actualy works`
`06:44.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`anyone reporting floating flags anymore?`
`06:45.07`	`fiberchunks`	`only time I ever saw floating flags was in corndawgs map`
`06:45.24`	`fiberchunks`	`haven't seen them lately`
`06:45.29`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: and that was a while ago, i hope`
`06:45.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`> 2 weeks?`
`06:45.36`	`fiberchunks`	`bout a week or so`
`06:45.38`	`Patlabor221-5`	`well I just loaded a quake model as a GM`
`06:45.39`	`fiberchunks`	`I think`
`06:45.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`06:46.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 still having fun with Dukolax?`
`06:46.07`	`fiberchunks`	`by the way, does -fb fix the 'flags stuck in buildings' problem?`
`06:46.08`	`Vernon`	`Would someone here be able to answer some questions about open source profilers like "gprof"`
`06:46.13`	`Vernon`	`??`
`06:47.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: no`
`06:47.16`	`Patlabor221-5`	`wellp there we go MAC animated model support too`
`06:47.27`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, is there a fix for that then?`
`06:47.28`	`MrApathyCream`	`sw33t`
`06:47.36`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: no`
`06:47.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: any specific kind of building?`
`06:47.49`	`Patlabor221-5`	`stromtroopers don't make good missles`
`06:47.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`or cluster?`
`06:48.19`	`fiberchunks`	`mostly've seen it on turkey -- flags get stuck in buildings there all the time (the 'old' turkey map, one of dutchrais)`
`06:48.27`	`fiberchunks`	`lemme check for ya, MAC, brb`
`06:48.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221 sw33t pic`
`06:48.52`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the head on one?`
`06:48.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`06:49.05`	`Patlabor221-5`	`that was HARD to make`
`06:49.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`that farking awesome`
`06:49.21`	`Patlabor221-5`	`now I have a swtich that will turn off self kills for screen shots :)`
`06:50.19`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the flare needs a tad more work I think tho`
`06:50.26`	`Patlabor221-5`	`and realy the texture needs a real artist`
`06:50.54`	`Patlabor221-5`	`did find&fix a bad bug in it today tho`
`06:51.06`	`Patlabor221-5`	`if the missle went up or down`
`06:51.15`	`Patlabor221-5`	`the angle cacl for vertical was screwed`
`06:51.19`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so it would "tumble"`
`06:51.22`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so I took it out`
`06:51.40`	`Patlabor221-5`	`think dosn't have that much angular deviation anyway`
`06:51.53`	`Patlabor221-5`	`so it looks fine being "flat"`
`06:54.20`	`fiberchunks`	`of course, now that I mention, I can't see it`
`06:54.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`hmmm that must not be the right bin`
`06:54.48`	`Patlabor221-5`	`damn`
`06:55.07`	`Patlabor221-5`	`well 2 more issues and I think it's done`
`06:56.16`	`fiberchunks`	`and turkey isn't running the map I saw it all the time on`
`06:56.28`	`fiberchunks`	`sorry, MAC, if I see it again, I'll make a definite note of it`
`06:56.33`	`Patlabor221`	`aww crap make that 3 issues`
`06:57.19`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: is this a new (last month) kind of problem, or has it been around?`
`06:57.45`	`fiberchunks`	`no, I've seen it around for some time -- on the original turkey map, and the newer-older one (not this current one)`
`06:57.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`ok`
`06:57.57`	`fiberchunks`	`and it seems to usually be on stacked boxes`
`06:58.48`	`TimRiker`	`we should add a check in the grabflag code that walks the list of flags verifying them. probably should only happen on DEBUG`
`07:00.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`verifying all flags, you mean?`
`07:00.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`or meaning you picked up one that was close`
`07:03.16`	`TimRiker`	`all flags at least until we find the cause of the floating flags`
`07:03.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`you still see floaters?`
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`07:17.26`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: from time to time yes.`
`07:17.38`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`07:18.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`nifty`
`07:18.33`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`07:19.18`	`MrApathyCream`	`~bzflist`
`07:20.52`	`*** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`07:30.46`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`07:30.52`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`07:30.58`	`TimRiker`	`bummer.`
`07:31.01`	`TimRiker`	`~bzflist`
`07:40.54`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`07:41.03`	`TimRiker`	`ah, better.`
`07:41.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`hmm xmission is empty now`
`07:42.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`at least, find server says so`
`07:44.44`	`TimRiker`	`yeah, we have a problem there. it looks like if the server is completely full, then bzfls cannot connect and so drops it from the list.`
`07:44.54`	`TimRiker`	`~bzfquery xmission.bzflag.org:5155`
`07:45.17`	`TimRiker`	`that's why ibot got the "<ibot> rejected by server" above as well.`
`07:49.40`	`TimRiker`	`could we just fix world->inRect ?`
`07:51.47`	`*** join/#bzflag M_A_C (dbrosius@209.195.250.76)`
`07:51.55`	`M_A_C`	`i think the virus is still pwning the network`
`08:07.43`	`*** join/#bzflag lurgyman_ (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`08:11.02`	`TimRiker`	`hmm... jzaun's current patch gives me a blank screen.`
`08:13.55`	`fiberchunks`	`the patch isn't applying cleanly against current cvs`
`08:15.05`	`TimRiker`	`I know, I fixed up the files.`
`08:16.14`	`fiberchunks`	`should work fine then -- works great on my system`
`08:16.25`	`fiberchunks`	`did you grab the data files too?`
`08:16.46`	`TimRiker`	`yep put em in data/`
`08:17.31`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm -- that's odd -- the hud graphic only shows up if opacity = 1 in the options, otherwise it's the transparent HUD, as far as I remember`
`08:17.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`yup`
`08:18.17`	`TimRiker`	`I get "loading timesbr" and then a black screen.`
`08:18.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`the typical, can't find image files.. sounds like... for some reason`
`08:19.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`files aren't binary?`
`08:19.48`	`TimRiker`	`nope, I got all the loading... loading wepsh etc. messages.`
`08:22.37`	`TimRiker`	`I can display all the data/*rgb files with xv.`
`08:24.35`	`TimRiker`	`so anyone care to put up a working patch?`
`08:24.53`	`fiberchunks`	`next time I see him, I'll ask him`
`08:26.36`	`TimRiker`	`fiberchunks: I thought it was working for you? can't you do a diff?`
`08:26.52`	`fiberchunks`	`I'm using latest cvs -- it doesn't work now`
`08:27.13`	`fiberchunks`	`was working with 1.7g0 though`
`08:27.59`	`TimRiker`	`ah.`
`08:28.18`	`fiberchunks`	`is there a way to check out some rev of cvs (not the latest?)`
`08:28.24`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: to combine for other buildings?`
`08:28.41`	`TimRiker`	`-r v1.7g0 will get g0`
`08:28.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes,... triangulation`
`08:28.56`	`fiberchunks`	`lemme test that out then`
`08:30.34`	`fiberchunks`	`'no such tag v1.7g0`
`08:30.39`	`fiberchunks`	`17g0?`
`08:30.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`triangle`
`08:30.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`position 0 0 0`
`08:30.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`size 10 20 15`
`08:30.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`rotation 0`
`08:30.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`freevertex .4`
`08:30.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`end`
`08:31.30`	`TimRiker`	`ah: v1_7g0`
`08:31.34`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, k`
`08:31.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`Hmmm, at first glance my jzaun seems to work`
`08:31.38`	`Patlabor221`	`man that was a good badmovie :)`
`08:32.10`	`TimRiker`	`freevertex?`
`08:33.46`	`MrApathyCream`	`well, one could assume the long side of the tri would be coincident with the least x side of the bounding box. The other vertex would be on the right of the bounding box, from 0.0 (top) to 1.0 (bottom)`
`08:34.02`	`fiberchunks`	`what's the oldest version of 1.7 that included a working Bundle and BundleManager?`
`08:34.05`	`fiberchunks`	`1.7g1`
`08:34.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: one of the 1.7g1`
`08:34.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`no smaller granularity`
`08:34.54`	`fiberchunks`	`is there a way to list the available tags on a given cvs server?`
`08:35.46`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: then freevertex would not be needed, yes?`
`08:35.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`you can get them through the web inteface`
`08:36.05`	`Patlabor221`	`what does bundle do?`
`08:36.12`	`TimRiker`	`fiberchunks: not on the entire server, but "cvs log ChangeLog" will show tags for that file.`
`08:36.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: freevertex would specify where the short sides(s) vertex was`
`08:36.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: that handles i18n`
`08:36.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: you can also look at the web interface`
`08:37.16`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: ahh! I was thinking right triangles.. ic.`
`08:37.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: yes, right tris wouldn't need, but triangulation needs more than righties`
`08:38.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`it would be kinda bass-ackwards, but would fit into the current model of how to define obstacles`
`08:38.29`	`TimRiker`	`so freevertex specfies where on the far side of the bounding box the third point is.`
`08:38.40`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes, from top to bottom`
`08:38.40`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, there is no 1_7g1 of any flavor`
`08:39.11`	`TimRiker`	`fiberchunks: v1_7g0 exists, 1.7g1 is just a development tag.`
`08:39.26`	`TimRiker`	`well, not a tag... what we call the current development version.`
`08:39.50`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: for what?`
`08:39.57`	`MrApathyCream`	`jzaun, seems to work here`
`08:40.17`	`*** part/#bzflag Vernon (~vds@218.203.27.24.cfl.rr.com)`
`08:41.54`	`Patlabor221`	`what do you thing should be the prefered loading order of external models? Right now it's OBJ (no anim ), A3d ( my format w/Anims ), MD3 (quake 3 format w/Anims), U3D (unreal format, w/anims)`
`08:42.57`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: with latest cvs?`
`08:43.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`08:43.41`	`fiberchunks`	`failed`
`08:43.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: shrug`
`08:43.54`	`Patlabor221`	`then I'll just leave it`
`08:44.17`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: any reason to support more than one?`
`08:44.40`	`TimRiker`	`I'd prefer a tool to convert and only supporting one format.`
`08:44.46`	`Patlabor221`	`OBJ dosn't suport anims`
`08:44.52`	`Patlabor221`	`but it's a more comon format`
`08:44.56`	`fiberchunks`	`MrApathyCream: mail it to me, please, mmcgirr79@snet.net`
`08:45.01`	`Patlabor221`	`MD3 does, but it's less common`
`08:45.09`	`Patlabor221`	`and the class supports all of then anyway`
`08:45.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`08:45.23`	`fiberchunks`	`thx`
`08:45.52`	`Patlabor221`	`MD3 would do everything that's needed tho`
`08:45.57`	`Patlabor221`	`so would A3D`
`08:47.46`	`Patlabor221`	`trying to make it revert back to the old GM right now for the case where it can't find the model.`
`08:48.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`you could do that for low res too :)`
`08:48.26`	`Patlabor221`	`yes that is what I am trying to do.`
`08:48.34`	`MrApathyCream`	`sw33t`
`08:48.51`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I tell what the quality setting is?`
`08:49.00`	`Patlabor221`	`well MAC it still don't build on lin`
`08:49.11`	`TimRiker`	`Patlabor221: where did "the class" come from?`
`08:49.15`	`Patlabor221`	`me`
`08:49.26`	`Patlabor221`	`wrote it as part of LGE`
`08:49.36`	`Patlabor221`	`all the code in this is mine`
`08:49.40`	`TimRiker`	`then I'd still prefer one format with a separate converter.`
`08:49.59`	`Patlabor221`	`that would be a3d then`
`08:50.06`	`Patlabor221`	`since it's the only thing the class saves`
`08:50.10`	`TimRiker`	`preferably a 2 way converter. ;-)`
`08:50.33`	`Patlabor221`	`it dosn't write out the MD3 or obj or U3d`
`08:50.41`	`Patlabor221`	`it started as a BZG converter :)`
`08:50.51`	`Patlabor221`	`and then got very large`
`08:50.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`sceneRenderer->getQuality()`
`08:51.08`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. would that be hard to add? I'd rather pick an existing standard than create a new one.`
`08:51.29`	`Patlabor221`	`none of the other formats realy support EVERYTHING`
`08:51.38`	`Patlabor221`	`MD3 is closest but dosn't store vertex normals`
`08:51.46`	`Patlabor221`	`OBJ has normals and UV's but no anims`
`08:51.53`	`Patlabor221`	`U3d dosn't have CS Tags`
`08:52.17`	`Patlabor221`	`the class has tools to add the missing parts to the formats then dump them as an A3d`
`08:52.33`	`TimRiker`	`hmm.`
`08:52.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I ran into the same deleema`
`08:52.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`~spell deleema`
`08:52.56`		`possible spellings for deleema: dilemma Delmar Delmer Selma delete Dela Delmor deem Elma elem`
`08:52.56`	`TimRiker`	`are you using anims?`
`08:52.56`	`fiberchunks`	`works fine for me too mac`
`08:53.01`	`Patlabor221`	`a3d is a very simple binary format`
`08:53.03`	`MrApathyCream`	`good`
`08:53.09`	`Patlabor221`	`the current GM model dosn't use anims`
`08:53.20`	`Patlabor221`	`a simple tank replacement would not use them ether`
`08:53.29`	`TimRiker`	`so OBJ would work for what you have done so far?`
`08:53.30`	`Patlabor221`	`but it may be nice to allow animated tanks`
`08:53.32`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`08:53.43`	`Patlabor221`	`and I have been using OBJ for the models`
`08:53.50`	`TimRiker`	`think OBJ will add anims sometime in the future?`
`08:53.53`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`08:53.57`	`Patlabor221`	`it's an old format`
`08:54.06`	`Patlabor221`	`wafefront`
`08:54.17`	`TimRiker`	`hmm. what about the others and the missing bits from them?`
`08:54.19`	`Patlabor221`	`alias wavefront format`
`08:54.29`	`Patlabor221`	`MD3 is the quake 3 format`
`08:54.36`	`Patlabor221`	`it dosn't store normals`
`08:54.53`	`MrApathyCream`	`is that really important?`
`08:54.57`	`Patlabor221`	`the class can calculate smoothed normals tho, but it can take time`
`08:54.59`	`MrApathyCream`	`gened on load?`
`08:55.11`	`Patlabor221`	`well you want guraud shading?`
`08:55.16`	`MrApathyCream`	`ah`
`08:55.20`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it can gen them, but it's not allways fast`
`08:55.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`smoothed, gotcha`
`08:55.31`	`Patlabor221`	`if the mesh has a lot of anim frames`
`08:55.55`	`MrApathyCream`	`what does hoda use? ;)`
`08:56.01`	`Patlabor221`	`U3d is OK, but it's a 3 file format and I don't realy like it, pluss it dosn't have support for the "atachement point" idea I had`
`08:56.12`	`Patlabor221`	`he uses MAX, so he made 3ds files`
`08:56.14`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: I'm adding the radar resize. probably break your patch.`
`08:56.18`	`Patlabor221`	`they don't have anims`
`08:56.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`adding as in adding to cvs?`
`08:58.39`	`Patlabor221`	`most modelers save everything in a bone anim format, and that can take a fair amound of CPU to compute.`
`08:58.40`	`TimRiker`	`yep`
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`09:00.08`	`Patlabor221`	`was the 100%CPU thing fixed in current CVS?`
`09:00.22`	`MrApathyCream`	`don't know.... we haven't seen it in a little bit`
`09:00.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`--probably not`
`09:00.41`	`Patlabor221`	`is there a fix for it?`
`09:00.50`	`captain_proton`	`'release-mode' ?`
`09:00.55`	`Patlabor221`	`last I heard it was a "maybe"`
`09:00.57`	`Patlabor221`	`there is capy`
`09:01.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: still is`
`09:01.04`	`Patlabor221`	`cappy my good friend`
`09:01.07`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: heh ;-)`
`09:01.14`	`Patlabor221`	`allway there to help`
`09:01.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`captain_proton: see Patlabor221's screenies of gm on bzbb?`
`09:01.37`	`captain_proton`	`nope`
`09:01.45`	`MrApathyCream`	`look, swifty!`
`09:01.46`	`TimRiker`	`radar resize needs a bit of work, it's possible to get mennu artifacts left in the msg area`
`09:01.51`	`Patlabor221`	`I think cappy needs to see them running on his machine.`
`09:02.03`	`captain_proton`	`birdy num nums`
`09:02.15`	`TimRiker`	`I think font size should be large enough to fill the msg are vertically.`
`09:02.44`	`Patlabor221`	`I should take a picture of the fish missile for cap too.`
`09:03.18`	`captain_proton`	`fish missile? :)`
`09:03.27`	`Patlabor221`	`FISH MISSILE!`
`09:03.40`	`Patlabor221`	`there was also the stormtrooper missile`
`09:03.55`	`captain_proton`	`ohh my`
`09:04.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I am working on the eyeball missle now.`
`09:04.11`	`captain_proton`	`did dukolax just say his bzedit problem was a -memory resident- issue? he runs XP...`
`09:04.26`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah, "i restarted and it's all OK"`
`09:04.34`	`Patlabor221`	`no clue man`
`09:04.49`	`captain_proton`	`hahaha`
`09:04.51`	`Patlabor221`	`he STILL hasn't given me any info on his "Map size" thing`
`09:04.52`	`captain_proton`	`thats a good lookin' missile`
`09:05.04`	`captain_proton`	`does he realize that TSRs are gone?`
`09:05.04`	`Patlabor221`	`that's the one you said looked like crap`
`09:05.16`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't think he knows muchabout his "box"`
`09:05.24`	`captain_proton`	`and that there are (reasonably) enforced borders between memory spaces?`
`09:05.45`	`Patlabor221`	`soo cappy want to see the fish missile on your screen? :)`
`09:05.53`	`captain_proton`	`yep`
`09:06.00`	`captain_proton`	`you want me to fix your code don't you`
`09:06.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`hahah`
`09:06.09`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh hell yeah!`
`09:06.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I got it allmost the way there`
`09:06.29`	`scanline`	`isn't that standard practise? we add features, then captain_proton makes it compile on other platforms?`
`09:06.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`<Patlabor221>: BTW, maybe the *nix build doesn't work`
`09:06.43`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes, exactly... worked with caching`
`09:07.01`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah hell he made LGE work`
`09:07.23`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: that missle still might fly better if it wasn't a hexagon`
`09:07.30`	`Patlabor221`	`shuddap`
`09:07.35`	`Patlabor221`	`flies just fine`
`09:07.39`	`Patlabor221`	`even as a cow`
`09:07.41`	`scanline`	`you should try... a dodecahedron`
`09:08.06`	`Patlabor221`	`try the fish`
`09:08.40`	`Patlabor221`	`www.bakadigital.com/zero/test/BZF0-Missles4Port.zip`
`09:08.42`	`MrApathyCream`	`Maybe a tank missile, you shoot yourself`
`09:09.14`	`Patlabor221`	`he you want it, you make it an OBJ file`
`09:09.21`	`Patlabor221`	`or an MD3`
`09:09.57`	`scanline`	`maybe`
`09:10.00`	`scanline`	`we don't know that for sure`
`09:10.07`	`Patlabor221`	`and if you want in the same folder is FishPack.zip`
`09:10.20`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: the toilet paper axels are weighted to one side =(`
`09:10.23`	`Patlabor221`	`I think he's still trying to smoke that magot`
`09:10.27`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: damn`
`09:10.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`~spell axels`
`09:10.33`		`possible spellings for axels: axles Axel's axle's ax els ax-els Axel axes Axe's axers axle exiles Aksel's`
`09:11.04`	`captain_proton`	`hah`
`09:11.04`	`Patlabor221`	`oh Tim, you may find this funny, BZflag that you can play in the real world. http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljpage.cgi?KNMDC104S`
`09:11.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`with mrs. captain_proton?`
`09:12.02`	`captain_proton`	`i don't have a mrs. captain_proton :P`
`09:12.09`	`captain_proton`	`<-- all alone`
`09:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`sure you do, she just dosn't know it yet.`
`09:12.22`	`captain_proton`	`haha`
`09:12.27`	`scanline`	`she will after the drugs wear off`
`09:12.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`ibot, convert 5980 yen`
`09:12.41`	`Patlabor221`	`it says so on the page`
`09:12.46`	`Patlabor221`	`$50`
`09:13.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`i like the size ratio of controller to tank`
`09:13.26`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah they are tinny`
`09:13.41`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: http://happypenguin.org/show?jetstream`
`09:14.49`	`Patlabor221`	`or the perferd deve platform :)`
`09:14.52`	`MrApathyCream`	`if only you had the bzflag development platform of choice`
`09:14.53`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`09:14.56`	`MrApathyCream`	`hehehehe`
`09:15.05`	`Patlabor221`	`that guy won't even dowload SVN?`
`09:15.16`	`Patlabor221`	`wow he's lasyer then a mac user.`
`09:15.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`dukolax?`
`09:15.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`31%`
`09:16.08`	`Patlabor221`	`no the gjy who left them a message on happypenguin`
`09:16.35`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: just replied to it`
`09:16.52`	`Patlabor221`	`did you use the word "bastige"?`
`09:17.13`	`scanline`	`nyet... I have a hard time being an asshole to people who might be interested in what I work on`
`09:17.18`	`Patlabor221`	`true`
`09:17.29`	`scanline`	`now other people's projects are another story :)`
`09:17.32`	`Patlabor221`	`but your font size is REALY large compare to him`
`09:17.40`	`scanline`	`I have a font size?`
`09:17.51`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: >:)`
`09:17.55`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah on that page, your post is larger in point size then his`
`09:18.06`	`scanline`	`I didn't use any tags except <p>`
`09:18.18`	`captain_proton`	`haha, i like your ending`
`09:18.25`	`captain_proton`	`"the plot will surprise you, and leave you wondering why"`
`09:18.30`	`TimRiker`	`~change 5980 yen to usd`
`09:18.51`	`MrApathyCream`	`norway krone?`
`09:18.54`	`TimRiker`	`~change japan`
`09:19.01`	`TimRiker`	`~exchange japan`
`09:19.06`	`TimRiker`	`~exchange for japan`
`09:19.13`	`scanline`	`~change 5980 .jp to .us`
`09:19.16`	`TimRiker`	`~change 5980 jpy to usd`
`09:19.24`	`scanline`	`heh`
`09:19.30`	`MrApathyCream`	`thar ya go`
`09:19.45`	`Patlabor221`	`like I said 50 bucks`
`09:19.56`	`Patlabor221`	`they have the converter on the same page as it.`
`09:20.23`	`Patlabor221`	`they say 50.80 bucks`
`09:20.48`	`TimRiker`	`so they round up. ;-)`
`09:20.48`	`fiberchunks`	`scanline: what's the command for updating svn sources? just svn up <server:port>?`
`09:20.57`	`Patlabor221`	`I have one of the little cars by the same company. It's cool, it uses IR not radio`
`09:21.02`	`scanline`	`if you're in your local copy's directory, just "svn up"`
`09:21.47`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: automatic snapshots -> http://picogui.org/snapshot/ :)`
`09:22.04`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: you should set up some cron jobs on bhaskara for jetstream's repository :)`
`09:22.18`	`TimRiker`	`some guy with an icq of 167779532 wow. are they that high now? /me is #192945 ;-)`
`09:22.21`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: i'm going to set up such things whenever this new box gets put up`
`09:22.26`	`scanline`	`okeydokey`
`09:22.38`	`scanline`	`The post-commit hook works pretty much exactly like it does in CVS`
`09:22.54`	`Patlabor221`	`hmmm, wonder if you could put a little camera on those things, and run them via a PC over the net.`
`09:23.31`	`Patlabor221`	`just call it a "photorealistic" game engine.`
`09:23.42`	`captain_proton`	`i was 6 digits too, 7something`
`09:24.00`	`scanline`	`I should put my slashdot UID on ebay`
`09:24.20`	`scanline`	`oor`
`09:24.22`	`scanline`	`ooh`
`09:24.29`	`scanline`	`I wonder if anyone has put Dubya on ebay?`
`09:25.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`75%`
`09:25.02`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: don't suppose you want to update the patch again?`
`09:25.07`	`Patlabor221`	`you would be labeled as a terorist`
`09:25.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`k`
`09:25.14`	`scanline`	`http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2907735047&category=1467`
`09:25.34`	`captain_proton`	`WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA SO MUCH?`
`09:25.35`	`TimRiker`	`patching file src/bzflag/ControlPanel.cxx`
`09:25.35`	`TimRiker`	`Hunk #10 FAILED at 195.`
`09:25.35`	`TimRiker`	`Hunk #11 FAILED at 296.`
`09:25.45`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: transcoding The Party now :)`
`09:26.09`	`captain_proton`	`=)`
`09:26.11`	`captain_proton`	`birdy num nums`
`09:26.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`wow ebay uses iaspi`
`09:26.14`	`scanline`	`http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/30049198/Images/JKL590.JPG`
`09:26.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yup directly call it from a MFC app at job #2`
`09:30.34`	`Patlabor221`	`its what they pay more`
`09:30.37`	`Patlabor221`	`pay me for`
`09:30.55`	`scanline`	`Two hours W.O.O.`
`09:31.02`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`09:31.13`	`scanline`	`with`
`09:31.14`	`scanline`	`out`
`09:31.14`	`captain_proton`	`OMG`
`09:31.15`	`scanline`	`oxygen!`
`09:31.21`	`captain_proton`	`Patlabor221 didn't recognize that?`
`09:31.30`	`Patlabor221`	`no`
`09:31.47`	`scanline`	`Mr. Flibble is very cross!`
`09:32.08`	`Patlabor221`	`when somone says write this using this, and here is a bag of money, you do it`
`09:32.21`	`captain_proton`	`so let me get this straight. you want to ride on a magic carpet, to see the king of the potato people and plead with him for your freedom, and you're telling me you're completely sane?`
`09:32.41`	`Patlabor221`	`rembmer I'm old`
`09:33.26`	`Patlabor221`	`what movie?`
`09:33.39`	`captain_proton`	`RED DWARF`
`09:33.53`	`Patlabor221`	`damn`
`09:34.01`	`Patlabor221`	`it's been a rather long time since I've seen those`
`09:34.08`	`Patlabor221`	`about 6 years`
`09:34.30`	`Patlabor221`	`I remember his moonboots that he had to keep outside.`
`09:34.56`	`Patlabor221`	`that's right the oxygen part is coming back to me now.`
`09:35.27`	`Patlabor221`	`I realy wish they would put those on DVD`
`09:35.51`	`captain_proton`	`series 1 comes out in the US in feb`
`09:35.59`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh very good`
`09:37.38`	`captain_proton`	`http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00007JZUB/qid=1043573773/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/002-3151755-8291219?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846#product-details`
`09:37.43`	`scanline`	`Patlabor221: in the mean time, you should download them from me`
`09:37.48`	`Patlabor221`	`"but Fiji is coverd in 1 foot of water, how can you have a farm there, what would the animals do", " they could wade"`
`09:37.53`	`scanline`	`got an rsync client?`
`09:37.59`	`TimRiker`	`thoughts on "No more own goals" patch?`
`09:38.16`	`captain_proton`	`"you could crossbreed sheep with dolphins and get leaping mutton"`
`09:38.26`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`09:38.28`	`Patlabor221`	`scanline I think I should`
`09:38.35`	`Patlabor221`	`https working again?`
`09:38.40`	`Patlabor221`	`or do I have to rsync?`
`09:38.46`	`scanline`	`https works, but I don't have them on the https server at the moment`
`09:38.51`	`Patlabor221`	`k`
`09:38.52`	`scanline`	`I could put them back on, but rsync is faster`
`09:39.02`	`Patlabor221`	`how do I do that again?`
`09:39.40`	`fiberchunks`	`is black adder or fawlty towers avail. on dvd?`
`09:39.45`	`scanline`	`you should get a listing of directories when you give rsync that argument, follow the directories down until you find red dwarf`
`09:39.59`	`captain_proton`	`dvd*`
`09:41.21`	`captain_proton`	`or macgyver`
`09:41.33`	`scanline`	`macgyver on DVD would be so COOL!`
`09:42.15`	`fiberchunks`	`true -- duct tape and a swiss army knife (perhaps a stick of gum) solves all the problems you ever have :)`
`09:42.43`	`Patlabor221`	`they are playing Macgyver on my stat TV now, everyday`
`09:42.59`	`captain_proton`	`:(`
`09:43.00`	`Patlabor221`	`sometimes he used pens`
`09:43.06`	`fontenot`	`i always forget this - which is more current iptables or ipchains or something else?`
`09:43.09`	`Patlabor221`	`or the springs from pens`
`09:43.14`	`fiberchunks`	`tables`
`09:43.23`	`fontenot`	`ok thaks`
`09:43.26`	`fontenot`	`thanks`
`09:43.37`	`MrApathyCream`	`TimRiker: Well it compiles and runs, tho the radar/messages don't change size`
`09:44.04`	`fiberchunks`	`scanline: is picogui on a svn server as well? or just cvs`
`09:44.26`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: the current picogui code is CVS, the rewrite is in SVN`
`09:44.44`	`fiberchunks`	`k`
`09:44.57`	`captain_proton`	`there's already code for the rewrite?`
`09:45.09`	`scanline`	`a README and some empty directories :)`
`09:45.32`	`fiberchunks`	`anonymous user access?`
`09:45.33`	`scanline`	`I was about to write a coding style document, after I decide what it should say`
`09:45.45`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: yeah. the CVS works just like any other sourceforge project`
`09:46.07`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm: cvs login: authorization failed: server cvs.sourceforge.net rejected access to /cvsroot/picogui for user anonymous`
`09:46.08`	`scanline`	`the SVN server always goes over https, but supports read access with no password`
`09:46.33`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: the unix name of the project is 'pgui' rather than 'picogui', for historical reasons`
`09:46.40`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, my bad`
`09:47.28`	`fiberchunks`	`urgh, current module name?`
`09:47.52`	`scanline`	`get the "picogui" module, it's an alias that grabs the ones you'll most commonly need`
`09:48.01`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`09:48.15`	`fiberchunks`	`tried to get the pgui module :)`
`09:48.23`	`scanline`	`yay for inconsistency :)`
`09:48.54`	`scanline`	`the rewrite will all be under one source tree, and use one config system- so you can make 'tasks' for the config system that set up a complete GUI environment for you`
`09:55.20`	`fontenot`	`sigh`
`09:55.31`	`fontenot`	`why are there always so many kernel config options with no help`
`09:56.22`	`TimRiker`	`MrApathyCream: that's enough for me. posted?`
`09:56.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes`
`09:56.35`	`TimRiker`	`fontenot: cause you have not added them. ;-)`
`09:56.50`	`fontenot`	`doesnt it make more sense for the people who know what they are to add them?`
`09:58.12`	`scanline`	`fontenot: no, they're too busy adding more options :)`
`10:00.13`	`fontenot`	`lol`
`10:02.59`	`Patlabor221`	`seeya`
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`11:15.24`	`TimRiker`	`does everybodies make support -C ?`
`11:28.13`	`[dmp]`	`i only got linux/debian with gnumake, and i guess you know, but it supports: -C DIRECTORY, --directory=DIRECTORY`
`11:29.23`	`TimRiker`	`I just changes the makes to use -C so it should stop now at the first error`
`11:29.47`	`fontenot`	`arg iptables`
`11:30.02`	`fontenot`	`I cant find a howto that tells me which configs I should select`
`11:30.03`	`jraitala`	`FreeBSD's make doesn't support -C, but one could probably use gmake`
`11:30.20`	`fontenot`	`and now it's complaining about amodules which I dont have even though I compiled everything that looked like was necessary`
`11:30.22`	`TimRiker`	`hmm....`
`11:30.38`	`[dmp]`	`A friend of mine got access to a solarisbox, i'll try him`
`11:32.20`	`fontenot`	`ah nm it was iptables being stupid`
`11:34.55`	`TimRiker`	`worked around the missing -C, should work for everybody now.`
`11:35.56`	`[dmp]`	`ok, he isnt really quick either.`
`11:41.09`	`fontenot`	`what's wrong with this line: route add -net 130.80.0.0 gw 192.168.1.100`
`11:41.46`	`Chestal`	`no croissants today for me`
`11:42.45`	`Chestal`	`urgs`
`11:42.51`	`Chestal`	`why did virtually every fiel got changed?`
`11:43.27`	`fontenot`	`ah it must have the netmask tho it does not say that`
`12:04.47`	`Chestal`	`to get where?`
`12:04.56`	`[dmp]`	`to rise with fame.`
`12:08.29`	`Chestal`	`anything new on the CTF ladder?`
`12:09.49`	`*** join/#bzflag snyke (~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de)`
`12:12.34`	`[dmp]`	`I've been fooling around with the values..`
`12:12.49`	`[dmp]`	`currently it gives max 15 points for each score.`
`12:13.34`	`[dmp]`	`but i need to find why flynn got 10*7 points he didnt deserve. My guess is that a team was reset between the polls.`
`12:14.36`	`*** join/#bzflag [TeA\|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E960B9.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`12:15.09`	`[dmp]`	`But i guess that is the least of my problems. I'm still not sure if they result will be usefull`
`12:15.50`	`[dmp]`	`As you might have seen, i've finished (not fully but now it works as i like it to do, at this state) the kill-ratio list.`
`12:16.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello`
`12:16.27`	`[dmp]`	`hi`
`12:16.48`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`12:16.59`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`urgs`
`12:21.50`	`Chestal`	`dmp: yes. I stil think it would be nice to have a page which would show the calculations that would be done for the CTF ladder based on the players that are playing right now`
`12:22.15`	`Chestal`	`dmp: so you coudl see the team ratings and how a capture woudl affect player scores`
`12:22.38`	`[dmp]`	`after my shower i'm going to make it. :)`
`12:22.49`	`Chestal`	`and I'll get somethng to eat`
`12:22.50`	`Chestal`	`later`
`12:23.46`	`[dmp]`	`Actually, I've made a small scripts, which calculates the score for each time on ducati and how many points they'll earn to do a capture. Until now, it dosnt seem to have been way off`
`12:23.48`	`[dmp]`	`later`
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`12:59.12`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~angelina@24.156.129.90)`
`13:08.21`	`*** join/#bzflag calico (calico@bgm-66-67-1-87.stny.rr.com)`
`13:09.06`	`calico`	`good morning all`
`13:10.45`	`bzgirl`	`hello calico`
`13:14.53`	`[dmp]`	`hi bzgirl and calico.`
`13:16.35`	`[dmp]`	`If I have a snapshot of ducati. Let's say 1 player on red team. Next snapshot, red team captures. But now we have 3 players. Should all 3 players get rewarded or just the one from first snapshot?`
`13:16.45`	`[dmp]`	`I guess all 3?`
`13:18.03`	`bzgirl`	`so the other 2 wernet there for the capture?`
`13:18.22`	`bzgirl`	`but get the medal anyway?`
`13:19.04`	`[dmp]`	`I dont know. That's the problem. I see [first-snapshot] 1 red player.. [second-snapshot] 3 players, one score`
`13:19.24`	`[dmp]`	`i can tell who did what.`
`13:19.28`	`[dmp]`	`i can't`
`13:20.00`	`bzgirl`	`you cant tell who captured?`
`13:20.03`	`[dmp]`	`each snapshot is at 5 mins interval`
`13:20.04`	`[dmp]`	`no`
`13:20.09`	`bzgirl`	`i guess reward thm all`
`13:21.15`	`[dmp]`	`i think too.`
`13:21.25`	`[dmp]`	`i think soo too.`
`13:32.44`	`calico`	`hi dmp and bzgirl`
`13:33.24`	`calico`	`is 74ls14 a new player or and old player with a new name`
`13:34.06`	`calico`	`am i talking to myself again`
`13:34.10`	`calico`	`n:)`
`13:34.11`	`bzgirl`	`its alias`
`13:34.25`	`calico`	`do you know who it really is`
`13:34.28`	`bzgirl`	`yes`
`13:34.31`	`calico`	`nwho`
`13:34.47`	`bzgirl`	`its a she :)`
`13:34.58`	`calico`	`i keep hitting n before i talk.....is it you than`
`13:34.58`	`bzgirl`	`and its not me`
`13:35.03`	`calico`	`:)`
`13:35.08`	`calico`	`hmm`
`13:35.14`	`calico`	`dont know than`
`13:35.29`	`bzgirl`	`im pretty sure its mirrella`
`13:35.35`	`calico`	`really`
`13:35.39`	`bzgirl`	`yep`
`13:35.54`	`calico`	`that would explain why 74 left and mirella joined`
`13:36.09`	`bzgirl`	`yeah`
`13:36.34`	`calico`	`i had to quit it was to frustrating and i havent even finished my 1st cup of coffee`
`13:36.43`	`bzgirl`	`:)`
`13:37.01`	`calico`	`it was commanche,74, and mort against me and 2 newbies`
`13:37.12`	`bzgirl`	`i just looked`
`13:37.28`	`calico`	`~ducatictf`
`13:37.44`	`bzgirl`	`yeah its tough when not balanced`
`13:37.59`	`calico`	`yeah, especially if they keep capturing`
`13:38.24`	`bzgirl`	`i end withe teamates with nicks like "i suck" "dont shoot im new" "geez im bad at this game"`
`13:38.27`	`calico`	`because you start chasing the flag and get shot from behind or something`
`13:38.42`	`calico`	`lol`
`13:38.59`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`13:39.05`	`calico`	`hi bud`
`13:39.08`	`[dmp]`	`hi`
`13:39.15`	`[dmp]`	`http://bzflag.baat.dk/ctf/ducati.php`
`13:39.28`	`calico`	`did you see my updated page`
`13:39.28`	`[dmp]`	`it dosnt give team-1 much points :)`
`13:39.37`	`[dmp]`	`yes, i did, yesterday`
`13:40.21`	`[dmp]`	`You're getting there :) ..`
`13:40.26`	`calico`	`its kinda gay, but im proud of it because i didnt know what the heck i was doing`
`13:41.17`	`calico`	`alright, im going back in for some more aggrivation :)`
`13:41.23`	`[dmp]`	`heh.. My first homepage was a really ugly prodigy-fan page.. it work.. until IE became IE 4 or so. Then the javascript broke, and i havnt done anything to fix it.`
`13:41.29`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`13:41.38`	`calico`	`lol`
`13:42.44`	`bzgirl`	`~ducatictf`
`14:02.08`	`*** join/#bzflag Pinguin (~Pinguin@pc212.hf.e-technik.tu-darmstadt.de)`
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`14:15.58`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`14:16.03`	`calico`	`hi tea`
`14:16.07`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hello :o)`
`14:16.14`	`calico`	`where ya been`
`14:24.33`	`[dmp]`	`calico: btw: strayer is back again, later today or tomorrow`
`14:28.06`	`calico`	`i thought i seen strayer on irc yesterday`
`14:28.16`	`calico`	`where has he been`
`14:28.25`	`[dmp]`	`he was here, but he had to go away for 24 hours more`
`14:28.57`	`[dmp]`	`to another city i think. can't remembe why.. school/work perhaps`
`14:28.58`	`calico`	`working on your ladder`
`14:29.02`	`[dmp]`	`yes`
`14:29.07`	`calico`	`lol`
`14:29.08`	`[dmp]`	`flynn get way too much :)`
`14:29.32`	`calico`	`we moved up alot with that win yesterday`
`14:29.46`	`calico`	`team standing that is`
`14:29.47`	`[dmp]`	`yeah, i actually entered the list.. whooho :)`
`14:29.49`	`[dmp]`	`ah`
`14:29.50`	`[dmp]`	`darn`
`14:29.51`	`[dmp]`	`:)`
`14:29.58`	`[dmp]`	`ok`
`14:30.04`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
`14:30.08`	`calico`	`lol`
`14:30.12`	`[dmp]`	`i still think its good that we didnt continue capturing`
`14:30.15`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`?!`
`14:30.24`	`calico`	`yeah`
`14:30.27`	`[dmp]`	`that woudnt have been fun in the long run`
`14:30.31`	`calico`	`the score would have been 20-0`
`14:30.36`	`[dmp]`	`at least`
`14:30.46`	`[dmp]`	`and two fewer players :)`
`14:31.01`	`[dmp]`	`actually, bapin plays okay. didnt realise that during our match`
`14:31.23`	`calico`	`yeah he does good, but malko wasnt to good`
`14:31.39`	`calico`	`did you guys play for fun after that match`
`14:31.53`	`[dmp]`	`no. I tried to help him, but it seems that he didnt care much for the game`
`14:31.57`	`[dmp]`	`yeah`
`14:32.09`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`14:32.14`	`[dmp]`	`Mayhem and me, against bapin and m1`
`14:32.19`	`[dmp]`	`we got spanked.`
`14:32.25`	`calico`	`lol`
`14:32.29`	`calico`	`m1 is good`
`14:32.32`	`[dmp]`	`Yeah.`
`14:32.46`	`calico`	`not as good as tea though :)`
`14:33.05`	`[dmp]`	`my tea is fine`
`14:33.27`	`[dmp]`	`i need to work, instead of making an ass for myself.`
`14:33.41`	`calico`	`nnnnaaaaa`
`14:34.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`:o)`
`14:34.43`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Back`
`14:34.47`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`weres this term`
`14:34.56`	`calico`	`hmmm`
`14:35.02`	`calico`	`what`
`14:35.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`Terminator`
`14:35.24`	`calico`	`havent seen him in a couple days`
`14:35.36`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`i just saw him 2min ago`
`14:35.41`	`calico`	`lol, oh`
`14:35.44`	`[dmp]`	`perhaps i should add an "seen"-feature to the ladder.`
`14:35.46`	`calico`	`where on ducati`
`14:36.07`	`calico`	`whats the addy for the ladder again dmp`
`14:36.42`	`calico`	`i guess i could just scroll up`
`14:37.16`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`14:37.22`	`[dmp]`	`http://bzflag.baat.dk`
`14:37.29`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`there`
`14:38.29`	`calico`	`wow im almost last on the list :(`
`14:39.28`	`calico`	`not this list though`
`14:40.05`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`pescados`
`14:40.07`	`[dmp]`	`you got two entries`
`14:40.47`	`calico`	`i see`
`14:41.14`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`http://bzflag.baat.dk/new/kr/?id=2`
`14:41.17`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`whats this?`
`14:41.21`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`can somewone explane me this`
`14:41.43`	`[dmp]`	`it is the local ladder for ducati`
`14:42.12`	`[dmp]`	`so only matches played on ducati gets rated and listed there.`
`14:42.45`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`?`
`14:42.54`	`calico`	`that stats.bzflag.org site is pretty neat`
`14:43.08`	`*** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d5113297.cable.wanadoo.nl)`
`14:43.19`	`calico`	`it says termi is on ducati`
`14:43.24`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`;o)`
`14:43.27`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`5 min ago`
`14:43.28`	`sussudio`	`how hard would it be to display the OS and current framerate with a CLIENTQUERY?`
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`14:45.51`	`sussudio`	`i dont care what comanche says, his client seems to have some kind of unfair advantage and i think it's caused by either framerate or some other factor.....`
`14:46.09`	`sussudio`	`bullet collissions are being dropped 3/10 times`
`14:46.51`	`sussudio`	`does the server or client make your tank blow up?`
`15:15.40`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`hmm`
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`16:04.46`	`[dmp]`	`~ducatictf`
`16:09.51`	`[dmp]`	`sigh`
`16:10.10`	`[dmp]`	`finally, the history-thingy for ctf is done. Now I need to hunt bugs`
`16:10.15`	`Chestal`	`dmp: what troubles you? :-)`
`16:10.22`	`Chestal`	`nasty bugs`
`16:10.39`	`[dmp]`	`alot of joins, sql.. Havnt done SQL in some time`
`16:11.33`	`[dmp]`	`flynn gets like +9 in score.. 10 times.. Need to figure out why :)`
`16:13.30`	`bzgirl`	`[dmp]: if you join fast, go +3 say..and leave, rejoin do the same, will this give artifical results?`
`16:13.54`	`bzgirl`	`i need some sort of edge ;)`
`16:14.27`	`Chestal`	`dmp: well, looks liek he captured a lot when playing 1-1 with Chikorita`
`16:14.41`	`[dmp]`	`10 points during 5 mins.`
`16:14.46`	`[dmp]`	`gotta be fast, chestal .`
`16:15.14`	`Chestal`	`looks a bit strange, though`
`16:16.23`	`[dmp]`	`bzgirl: it depends on when the scripts comes by a looks at the scoreboard.. If you join a leave before it sees you, it dont notice you at all. So dont play lesser than 5 mins :-)`
`16:16.27`	`[dmp]`	`Yes, very`
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`16:18.26`	`yoyox`	`Qm.`
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`16:21.59`	`Piggy`	`1 green available at ducatictf`
`16:23.04`	`[dmp]`	`Ah. Two bugs at the price of one. Seems like the script didnt detect that the teams where reset..`
`16:23.30`	`[dmp]`	`and the scores, shown in the history are the currect scores, not the scores when the diff was calculated.`
`16:26.07`	`Piggy`	`1 available again`
`16:26.23`	`Piggy`	`also 1 red`
`16:27.31`	`Piggy`	`calipig joined as green`
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`16:53.12`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`17:18.57`	`fiberchunks`	`~google tomsrtbt`
`17:19.49`	`Piggy`	`~google for pig tree`
`17:20.11`	`fiberchunks`	`~google for tomsrtbt`
`17:20.23`	`Piggy`	`NASA pigs?`
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`17:27.37`	`Chestal`	`hi MAC`
`17:28.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`howdy`
`17:28.23`	`fiberchunks`	`heya mac, did tim ever reach a decision about the jzaun patch?`
`17:29.17`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: it should be up to date now.`
`17:29.33`	`MrApathyCream`	`fiberchunks: I don't know what Tim is doing with it, seemed like he was interested in it`
`17:29.41`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, cool`
`17:29.49`	`MrApathyCream`	`Currently it is incompatible with the changing radar/message area sizes`
`17:30.02`	`MrApathyCream`	`Probably Tim want's that problem fixed first, but i really dunno`
`17:30.24`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`17:30.39`	`Chestal`	`apropos`
`17:31.02`	`Chestal`	`I just implememted a slider to adjust the size of the mouse boxes, has been requested by some players`
`17:31.13`	`Chestal`	`I could use a good name, right now it's "Max Motion Size"`
`17:31.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`kul`
`17:31.18`	`fiberchunks`	`cool`
`17:31.20`	`Chestal`	`maybe just "mouse sensitivity"? or something`
`17:31.30`	`fiberchunks`	`I'll be using that for sure`
`17:32.26`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: do those boxes have anything to do with lock angles?`
`17:32.39`	`Chestal`	`no`
`17:34.37`	`Chestal`	`setTarget() in playing.cxx does this`
`17:39.45`	`Chestal`	`MAC: there's nodefault bad word list in CVS, is there?`
`17:39.50`	`MrApathyCream`	`no`
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`17:40.08`	`MrApathyCream`	`good idea no processing if no words`
`17:41.36`	`Chestal`	`if noone comes with a clever idea how to name that mouse box slider, I'll just commit for now and we'll enhance it later. I guess now that Tim checked in my radarsize patch, he'd have no objections against this one`
`17:42.09`	`Chestal`	`I just took the old sizes and made a 70%-130% range, which I chose rather arbitrarily`
`17:42.41`	`MrApathyCream`	`prollly not`
`17:43.57`	`jzaun`	`Chestal: "Mouse Box Size"`
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`17:47.58`	`sussudio`	`bzfs in cvs doesnt compile here`
`17:48.11`	`Chestal`	`why not?`
`17:48.25`	`MrApathyCream`	`error?`
`17:48.27`	`sussudio`	`it's kinda a lot of text`
`17:48.45`	`Chestal`	`post the very first error`
`17:48.51`	`sussudio`	../../lib/libNet.a(Address.o)(.text+0x2b6): In function `Address::getHostAddress(char const*)':
`17:48.52`	`sussudio`	: undefined reference to `printError(char const*, ...)'
`17:48.52`	`sussudio`	`collect2: ld returned 1 exit status`
`17:48.52`	`sussudio`	`make[3]: *** [../../bin/bzfs] Error 1`
`17:49.15`	`MrApathyCream`	`you've got a dependency problem`
`17:49.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`try deling ErrorHandler.o`
`17:49.33`	`sussudio`	`where`
`17:49.38`	`MrApathyCream`	`or Address.o`
`17:49.41`	`Chestal`	`or use brute force solution: make clean; make`
`17:49.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`yes del Address.o`
`17:49.53`	`sussudio`	`:-P`
`17:49.59`	`jzaun`	`make clean;make always works :-)`
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`17:52.06`	`bzdoug_`	`'lo Patlabor221`
`17:52.20`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: it smells like Tim is in 'release-mode' better hurry with that GeoM patch :)`
`17:54.29`	`Chestal`	`waah, somehow my CVS fetched soem 1.8 files`
`17:54.49`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`17:55.01`	`MrApathyCream`	`you can help out nafees, now`
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`17:58.12`	`Chestal`	`hmm`
`17:59.34`	`bzdoug_`	`http://www.nic.mil/cgi-bin/domain`
`18:07.50`	`sussudio`	`ugh... i couldnt exit options anymore in cvs bzflag`
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`18:09.39`	`Patlabor221`	`hello`
`18:10.04`	`Patlabor221`	`MAC, well that means I need somone to help with the lin build`
`18:10.09`	`Patlabor221`	`there are only 3 more issues.`
`18:10.32`	`Patlabor221`	`lin build, fix color issue, and making it load the old texture.`
`18:10.48`	`Patlabor221`	`and animated fish missiles`
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`18:11.43`	`Patlabor221`	`ohh and I have to spell missile right in the file loading.`
`18:12.02`	`Patlabor221`	`MAC, do you know how to set a material for a scene node?`
`18:12.11`	`Patlabor221`	`or just a color`
`18:12.34`	`Patlabor221`	`I called myGLColor4f(1,1,1,1) but it still pick sup the color of the last thing drawn.`
`18:14.16`	`sussudio`	`dont you need to reset color first`
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`18:17.20`	`Patlabor221`	`I don't know, I'm not that familiar with BZ's GLstate machine stuff.`
`18:18.01`	`sussudio`	`well i know that you had to with ANSI stuff...`
`18:18.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducati`
`18:18.11`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`18:18.38`	`Patlabor221`	`wiht GL it's a state machine, so you just change the params that you need to, everything you don't change carrys forward`
`18:19.25`	`sussudio`	`try resetting the colors.....`
`18:19.38`	`Patlabor221`	`there isn't a "reset" command for GL`
`18:19.46`	`sussudio`	`hmz`
`18:19.48`	`Patlabor221`	`you just give it the new color`
`18:19.56`	`Patlabor221`	`or specificly "material"`
`18:22.44`	`MrApathyCream`	`Patlabor221: dunno`
`18:23.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`there are save/restore tho`
`18:23.49`	`Patlabor221`	`I shall have to look into it`
`18:27.35`	`MrApathyCream`	`i wouldn't think you needed to set a material`
`18:28.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`Chestal: don't forget to add new strings as you create them to i18n`
`18:28.08`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`18:28.09`	`MrApathyCream`	`Mouse Box Size:`
`18:28.24`	`Patlabor221`	`well it seems GL_Color_Material is flase`
`18:28.40`	`Patlabor221`	`I put a raw glColor4f() in there and didn't do a thing`
`18:29.07`	`MrApathyCream`	`there might a bit flag you need to set to say what parms you're using`
`18:29.12`	`sussudio`	`where are the po files in cvs?`
`18:29.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: in data/l10n`
`18:29.39`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: there's a bunch of new strings to xlate`
`18:29.45`	`sussudio`	`i dont have that dir`
`18:29.53`	`Patlabor221`	`MAC: it has to be the color mat, cus BZ can't override a GL call.`
`18:29.54`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: do a cvs co`
`18:30.04`	`sussudio`	`cvs co what`
`18:30.13`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: navigate to data`
`18:30.23`	`MrApathyCream`	`and do a cvs co -r v1_7 l10n`
`18:31.50`	`sussudio`	cvs server: cannot find module `l10n' - ignored
`18:31.50`	`sussudio`	`cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules`
`18:32.24`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: ok, navigate to bzflag`
`18:32.32`	`MrApathyCream`	`sussudio: doa cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag data`
`18:33.18`	`Patlabor221`	`sigh time to go to work`
`18:33.27`	`sussudio`	cvs server: cannot find module `data' - ignored
`18:33.28`	`sussudio`	`cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules`
`18:33.29`	`sussudio`	`snort?`
`18:34.21`	`MrApathyCream`	`co back to above bzflag, and do a cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag`
`18:37.39`	`sussudio`	`oh forget it.`
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`18:38.39`	`fiberchunks`	`sussudio: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/bzflag co -r v1_7 bzflag`
`18:39.20`	`sussudio`	`it should just get me stuff with cvs update.`
`18:39.55`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, but why doesn't your cvs source tree contain ./data in the first place?`
`18:40.04`	`sussudio`	`IT DOES`
`18:40.10`	`sussudio`	`(#))$(#@`
`18:40.30`	`fiberchunks`	`oh, no i10n directory?`
`18:40.35`	`sussudio`	`no.`
`18:41.07`	`fiberchunks`	`I would just rm -rf the bzflag source directory you have and regrab the whole thing`
`18:41.41`	`sussudio`	`what's the point of cvs if you have to do that?!`
`18:42.11`	`fiberchunks`	`you shouldn't have to, but since MAC has added l10n, I've never had a problem with a missing l10n directory`
`18:42.34`	`fiberchunks`	`so perhaps your co got befuddled on the way to your machine (i dunno, just guessing)`
`18:42.49`	`sussudio`	`sigh`
`18:45.10`	`sussudio`	`lincvs?`
`18:45.25`	`sussudio`	`cervisia - KDE based CVS frontend`
`18:45.41`	`sussudio`	`ocamlcvs - graphical frontend for accessing CVS`
`18:45.49`	`fiberchunks`	`just grabbing it now`
`18:45.57`	`sussudio`	`pharmacy - A GNOME front-end to CVS`
`18:46.09`	`sussudio`	`tkcvs - A graphical front-end to CVS`
`18:46.35`	`sussudio`	`apt-cache search is your fwiend`
`18:46.53`	`fiberchunks`	`not if you don't use debian it isn't :)`
`18:47.01`	`sussudio`	`err`
`18:47.05`	`sussudio`	`YOU DONT USE DEBIAN?!`
`18:47.10`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
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`19:05.00`	`MrApathyCream`	`bb tonite`
`19:05.52`	`jzaun`	`what ya doin?`
`19:06.13`	`Patlabor221`	`he must have those "social" things to go to.`
`19:10.03`	`Patlabor221`	`damn, I am still amazed at how much butt dreamweaver kicks.`
`19:10.14`	`fiberchunks`	`<PROTECTED>`
`19:12.01`	`bzdoug_`	`lol`
`19:12.12`	`Patlabor221`	`I think it's more of a rolling pin`
`19:12.38`	`bzdoug_`	`no, rollin' pin`
`19:15.00`	`bzdoug_`	`if you buy everybody big monitors they will`
`19:15.18`	`sussudio`	`fiberchunks : any way to disable dervish's ugly mug on there?`
`19:15.19`	`Patlabor221`	`or I could just tell the poor bastards with 15's to scroll`
`19:15.26`	`fiberchunks`	`heh - dunno`
`19:15.44`	`sussudio`	`i just stop reading for that reason`
`19:15.55`	`fiberchunks`	`lol`
`19:16.05`	`sussudio`	`he looks like a pig with a wig`
`19:16.18`	`fiberchunks`	`oooo, a poet who don't know it`
`19:16.25`	`Patlabor221`	`he's a older pudgyer doug is what I have found`
`19:17.50`	`sussudio`	`how do you start up with another language again?`
`19:18.43`	`sussudio`	`err wtf`
`19:19.38`	`sussudio`	`~lart cvs`
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`19:34.56`	`Cell`	`lo`
`19:40.53`	`fiberchunks`	`Patlabor221: what's up with the flathead screws in your avatar ;)`
`19:41.05`	`Patlabor221`	`that's part of the patlabor logo`
`19:41.28`	`Patlabor221`	`not enough room to put the rest tho`
`19:41.31`	`fiberchunks`	`(c) 2003?`
`19:41.43`	`Patlabor221`	`too bad it's not 128x128`
`19:41.46`	`Patlabor221`	`pardon?`
`19:41.58`	`fiberchunks`	`nm, stupidity...`
`19:42.20`	`Patlabor221`	`100x100 that's not a good programer size :)`
`19:42.46`	`Cell`	`pcan someone give me the original bzflag tank model?`
`19:42.51`	`jzaun`	`64x64 or 48x48 or 32x32 or 16x16 are all good programmer sizes`
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`19:43.03`	`Patlabor221`	`128 x128 is too`
`19:43.16`	`jzaun`	`so is 1024x124`
`19:43.19`	`Patlabor221`	`I have it as an obj`
`19:43.26`	`jzaun`	`err 1024x1024`
`19:43.32`	`Cell`	`great, can i have it?`
`19:43.42`	`Patlabor221`	`let me find it`
`19:43.48`	`Cell`	`k, thnaks`
`19:44.17`	`Piggy`	`~ducatictf`
`19:44.29`	`Piggy`	`bwahahaaha`
`19:44.35`	`fiberchunks`	`100x100 is perfect (in hex)`
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`19:46.09`	`Patlabor221`	`www.artemisgames.com/tank.obj`
`19:46.13`	`Cell`	`~maps`
`19:47.34`	`Cell`	`got it`
`19:47.37`	`Cell`	`thanks`
`19:51.24`	`Cell`	`seems like my 3d max script has problems with orienting the boxes right: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecks.jpg`
`19:51.28`	`Patlabor221`	`does lin have "RAND_MAX"`
`19:51.36`	`Cell`	`tried to import the waterdecks boxes`
`19:51.50`	`Patlabor221`	`that's a deg to rad problem`
`19:52.03`	`Cell`	`yes possibly`
`19:52.09`	`Patlabor221`	`most maps are in deg`
`19:52.12`	`Patlabor221`	`but some old ones can be in rad`
`19:52.30`	`Cell`	`this one is in degs`
`19:52.32`	`Patlabor221`	`you can see the same thing in the editor by changing decks to rad`
`19:52.41`	`Patlabor221`	`OHHH CRAP`
`19:52.53`	`Patlabor221`	`Tim needs to make that pyramid colision thing optional`
`19:53.04`	`Cell`	`why?`
`19:53.13`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a TON of maps that use pyrmaids as "water"`
`19:53.20`	`Patlabor221`	`and let you go thru them`
`19:53.23`	`Cell`	`ha?`
`19:53.27`	`Cell`	`lol`
`19:53.51`	`jzaun`	`Patlabor221: thats really really gonna suck`
`19:54.00`	`jzaun`	`alot use them as hiding places too`
`19:54.13`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:54.14`	`fiberchunks`	`yah, and now you truly collide with them`
`19:54.16`	`Patlabor221`	`they can't let that go`
`19:54.37`	`Patlabor221`	`it's tim @rikers.org right?`
`19:54.43`	`fiberchunks`	`think so`
`19:54.56`	`[TeA\|TrEE]`	`~ducatictf`
`19:55.20`	`jzaun`	`Patlabor221: They can, authors will just have to fix the maps`
`19:55.55`	`fiberchunks`	`how they gonna fix the maps to provide the same functionality tho?`
`19:56.23`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah`
`19:56.29`	`jzaun`	`raise the pryamid by 0.01 off the current level`
`19:56.40`	`jzaun`	`same as they do with blocks`
`19:56.55`	`Patlabor221`	`no the change makes all pyrs colideable even in air.`
`19:56.55`	`fiberchunks`	`no no, I think pyramids are constant collisions now`
`19:56.58`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`19:57.22`	`Patlabor221`	`need a "no collide option" on each object`
`19:57.36`	`jzaun`	`true, that would be the best way`
`20:00.50`	`Patlabor221`	`well crap his mail is bouncing`
`20:00.57`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm`
`20:01.03`	`fiberchunks`	`he'll be on tonite, I'm sure`
`20:01.12`	`Patlabor221`	`ya`
`20:02.47`	`Cell`	`the z rot for a box, about what point is it?`
`20:02.57`	`Patlabor221`	`center`
`20:03.04`	`Patlabor221`	`all objects are center`
`20:03.10`	`Cell`	`ok`
`20:07.39`	`Cell`	`hm, i do the following create a box with center of bottom plane at (0,0,0) and then i rotatete it about z and then translate the center, is that order correct?`
`20:08.05`	`Patlabor221`	`take a look at the code for bzedit, I don't recall`
`20:08.12`	`Patlabor221`	`but I think that's right`
`20:08.30`	`Cell`	`smth is wrong with my script`
`20:11.41`	`Patlabor221`	`if they are making all the other controlls in the options be those <--------------o----------> things, why don't they do volume too`
`20:12.20`	`Piggy`	`~ducatictf`
`20:12.46`	`Piggy`	`ibot are you on crack?`
`20:12.47`		`i don't know, Piggy`
`20:13.01`	`Patlabor221`	`~piggy`
`20:13.01`		`Piggy logs all you do... Look at bzflag.dontexist.org`
`20:15.12`	`Piggy`	`~ducatictf`
`20:15.24`	`Piggy`	`the bot is broken`
`20:15.49`	`Piggy`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
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`20:28.58`	`Piggy`	`~ducatictf`
`20:29.31`	`Piggy`	`~bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org 5156`
`20:29.46`	`Piggy`	`~ducati`
`20:32.25`	`Patlabor221`	`why the HELL are all the fuctions that actualy SET stuff, defined as static?`
`20:37.17`	`Chestal`	`Pat: where?`
`20:39.02`	`*** join/#bzflag jzaun (~jzaun@jzaun.static.telerama.com)`
`20:39.02`	`Patlabor221`	`I see why it's doing it now`
`20:39.06`	`Patlabor221`	`it's just lame`
`20:39.18`	`Patlabor221`	`shot strategy init, loads the textures`
`20:39.27`	`Patlabor221`	`dosnt' call a damn thing it's it's own class`
`20:39.35`	`Patlabor221`	`don't know WHY it's in the class but it is.`
`20:39.54`	`Chestal`	`I never looked at the actual 3D rendering code`
`20:40.09`	`Patlabor221`	`be very glad you haven't`
`20:40.17`	`Patlabor221`	`talk about "spread out"`
`20:40.23`	`stibnite`	`anybody know what turkey's velocity/rotation settings are?`
`20:40.34`	`fiberchunks`	`none, as far as I know`
`20:40.49`	`Patlabor221`	`the server dosn't controll them`
`20:40.51`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the client.`
`20:41.05`	`Patlabor221`	`at this time at least`
`20:41.41`	`fiberchunks`	`hrm? I thought there were -v -a server side options (the options may not be exactly those, but I could swear there were angular momentum and rotation settings for the server)`
`20:42.03`	`Patlabor221`	`they are not used by the client tho`
`20:42.17`	`Patlabor221`	`the vars are set as static`
`20:42.23`	`fiberchunks`	`ah, so you still stop on a dime even if those are set?`
`20:42.30`	`Patlabor221`	`sure`
`20:42.40`	`Patlabor221`	`the client used it hardcoded ones for everything`
`20:42.45`	`Patlabor221`	`that's one of the thigns i changed for zero`
`20:42.55`	`Chestal`	`you can use -a to enable inertia on the server`
`20:43.02`	`Chestal`	`thsi will play quite strange then :-)`
`20:43.26`	`fiberchunks`	`yeah -- but does that do anything? ^^^^ see Patlabor221's response above?`
`20:43.30`	`Patlabor221`	`but code wise that just sets a flag and that causes the interta code to be used, it still uses the hardcoded speeds as a base.`
`20:43.35`	`Patlabor221`	`yes it does`
`20:43.37`	`fiberchunks`	`ah`
`20:43.40`	`fiberchunks`	`ic`
`20:43.50`	`Patlabor221`	`if I hack my client to be 2x as fast as yours`
`20:43.58`	`Patlabor221`	`my inerta will be 2x yours too`
`20:44.26`	`Patlabor221`	`stuff like highspeed and quick turn are tests in the movement code that take the hardcode and 2x it`
`20:44.41`	`Patlabor221`	`I made the base an actual extern so it can be set.`
`20:46.02`	`stibnite`	`hrm`
`20:46.22`	`stibnite`	`confusing, because tanks actually seem to go faster on turkey than on hashmark`
`20:46.32`	`stibnite`	`although i suppose it could be i'm running e6`
`20:46.42`	`Patlabor221`	`proalby an illusion based on the world`
`20:46.47`	`stibnite`	`ah.`
`20:46.55`	`stibnite`	`well, i suppose i'm easily confused as it is.`
`20:47.01`	`sussudio`	`bzflag needs a spedometer!`
`20:47.01`	`Cell`	`hm could it be that the box lenght in a map file is only the half length of the box?`
`20:47.06`	`stibnite`	`w00t`
`20:48.18`	`Patlabor221`	`cell yes the scale is realy only 1/2 the scale`
`20:48.25`	`Patlabor221`	`since it's from the center`
`20:48.31`	`Patlabor221`	`look at the code for bzedit.`
`20:48.35`	`Cell`	`yes thats the error in my script, what a pain`
`20:48.43`	`Patlabor221`	`there are a BUNCH of little things`
`20:48.50`	`Patlabor221`	`and don't get me started on a teleporter`
`20:48.58`	`Cell`	`lol`
`20:51.16`	`Cell`	`got it, finally: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecks.jpg`
`20:52.08`	`Patlabor221`	`no textures`
`20:52.27`	`Cell`	`boxes done now i take care of the pyramids, textures later`
`20:54.07`	`Cell`	`bzedit helps me great in finding the special little things`
`21:04.25`	`Patlabor221`	`it was fun figurein it all out`
`21:04.54`	`Patlabor221`	`well that's enough of the ugly code for a day`
`21:06.33`	`Cell`	`pyramids same as box?`
`21:06.56`	`Patlabor221`	`yes`
`21:07.21`	`Cell`	`no`
`21:07.27`	`Patlabor221`	`?`
`21:07.38`	`Cell`	`bzedit shows it different than 3dmax`
`21:07.46`	`Patlabor221`	`how so?`
`21:07.49`	`Cell`	`so im doing smth wrong again`
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`21:08.00`	`Patlabor221`	`define difrent`
`21:08.35`	`Cell`	`size6.06.07.0 of a pyramid`
`21:08.56`	`Cell`	`then its gonna be not 26 26 7`
`21:09.09`	`Cell`	`as for boxes`
`21:13.05`	`Cell`	`look at the pyramids at the bottom; they dont seem to be right: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecks.jpg`
`21:13.29`	`Patlabor221`	`they should be square`
`21:13.40`	`Cell`	`yes like in bzedit`
`21:13.50`	`Patlabor221`	`your not 1/2ing the scale in X and Y`
`21:13.53`	`Patlabor221`	`just one of them`
`21:14.00`	`Cell`	`k`
`21:14.04`	`Patlabor221`	`works just like boxes`
`21:15.23`	`fiberchunks`	`hay Patlabor221, is bzedit source in cvs, or just on artemis?`
`21:15.33`	`Patlabor221`	`just on the site`
`21:15.37`	`fiberchunks`	`k`
`21:16.02`	`fiberchunks`	`artemisgames.com right?`
`21:16.07`	`Patlabor221`	`jess`
`21:16.43`	`fiberchunks`	`what the hell is BZFlagXL ;) ?`
`21:17.00`	`sussudio`	`obesity flags only?`
`21:18.02`	`Patlabor221`	`where is that"`
`21:18.04`	`Patlabor221`	`ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh`
`21:18.05`	`fiberchunks`	`main page`
`21:18.06`	`Patlabor221`	`yeah that`
`21:18.09`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`21:18.47`	`Patlabor221`	`1 sec`
`21:19.02`	`Cell`	`perfect`
`21:19.13`	`Cell`	`got it pyramids done`
`21:19.32`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bza/index.htm`
`21:19.38`	`Patlabor221`	`kept changing the name`
`21:19.52`	`fiberchunks`	`cool!`
`21:19.58`	`sussudio`	`BZFlagPIG`
`21:20.36`	`Cell`	`now the teleporters`
`21:20.50`	`Patlabor221`	`NOT like boxes`
`21:20.54`	`Patlabor221`	`and don't forget bases`
`21:21.03`	`Cell`	`what is the border telling?`
`21:21.24`	`fiberchunks`	`like the targeting reticle on that thing -- very nice`
`21:21.30`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Tutorials/Tutorial1/tmb-TP.gif`
`21:21.44`	`Patlabor221`	`it's the same thing that screamers is using`
`21:22.02`	`Patlabor221`	`cell sorry`
`21:22.06`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Tutorials/Tutorial1/tmb.gif`
`21:22.11`	`Patlabor221`	`larger one there`
`21:22.17`	`Cell`	`not found`
`21:22.28`	`Cell`	`the bigger one`
`21:22.41`	`Patlabor221`	`http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit/Tutorials/Tutorial1/TP.gif`
`21:22.53`	`Cell`	`yep`
`21:24.27`	`Cell`	`hm complicated`
`21:24.41`	`Patlabor221`	`yup`
`21:25.03`	`Cell`	`but nice drawing`
`21:37.58`	`scanline`	`burn all gifs!`
`21:40.45`	`fiberchunks`	`unisys is the anti-christ`
`21:40.48`	`fiberchunks`	`:)`
`21:41.34`	`scanline`	`they suck so much, why bother?`
`21:42.13`	`fiberchunks`	`true, the big who-haw about sticking with gif's in the dark ages was what, animation and interlacing, which png handily took care of didn't it?`
`21:42.18`	`*** join/#bzflag paul (~paul@hibernia.jakma.org)`
`21:42.22`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: whats the path i should co?`
`21:42.51`	`*** join/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18bcd01b.dyn.optonline.net)`
`21:42.53`	`scanline`	`fiberchunks: png doesn't do animation, that's the job for mng. png has way better support for pretty much everything else- color, interlacing, compression...`
`21:42.57`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: for what?`
`21:43.12`	`freelancer`	`nhi proton`
`21:43.17`	`fiberchunks`	`mng supported in all browsers?`
`21:43.20`	`fiberchunks`	`or most, rather?`
`21:43.25`	`scanline`	`dunno, haven't tried to use mng`
`21:43.31`	`scanline`	`I also think animated images are evil :)`
`21:43.36`	`fiberchunks`	`heh`
`21:43.36`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: new pg`
`21:43.56`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: https://navi.picogui.org:3000/svn/trunk/picogui`
`21:44.09`	`scanline`	`not really anything there yet though`
`21:44.23`	`captain_proton`	`erf`
`21:44.25`	`captain_proton`	`bad url`
`21:44.41`	`scanline`	`hrm....`
`21:44.56`	`scanline`	`works for me`
`21:46.01`	`captain_proton`	`perhaps recompile neon?`
`21:46.27`	`scanline`	`you need SSL support in both neon and svn`
`21:48.49`	`scanline`	`captain_proton: --with-ssl`
`21:48.52`	`scanline`	`on svn and on neon`
`21:49.03`	`scanline`	`it wasn't in the ./configure --help, I found it on google :)`
`21:49.18`	`captain_proton`	`ahh`
`21:56.25`	`scanline`	`whoops.. no towels`
`22:08.04`	`captain_proton`	`scanline: any word on the encode?`
`22:15.16`	`sussudio`	`HOly CRAP`
`22:15.22`	`sussudio`	`200 pound 10 year old`
`22:16.06`	`sussudio`	`kentucky fly chikkin!`
`22:20.40`	`*** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90)`
`22:21.08`	`captain_proton`	`heya bzg`
`22:22.53`	`bzgirl`	`hi cap`
`22:23.21`	`*** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-52-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
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`22:44.02`	`Cell`	`teleports done`
`22:44.22`	`Cell`	`they are pretty easy`
`22:44.27`	`Cell`	`after all`
`22:51.39`	`*** join/#bzflag scanline (~micah@aden2-52-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU)`
`22:55.06`	`Cell`	`here we go: http://home.in.tum.de/~edelstei/wdecks.jpg`
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