| 00:01.03 | bzdoug_ | http://www.baselinemag.com/article2/0,3959,833939,00.asp?kc=BAZD103019TX1K0100547 |
| 00:03.32 | Patlabor221 | server server TPs would be cheap |
| 00:03.37 | Patlabor221 | greefers would use them |
| 00:03.51 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:04.11 | Patlabor221 | to keep from geting kicked, baned, what ever |
| 00:04.21 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:04.40 | bzdoug_ | make the server KNOW that that person has gone through it |
| 00:04.46 | bzdoug_ | and notify the next server |
| 00:04.49 | bzdoug_ | or something |
| 00:04.52 | bzdoug_ | like... that... |
| 00:04.53 | Patlabor221 | but what does that get you |
| 00:05.03 | Patlabor221 | just the ability to not go to a list serv? |
| 00:05.05 | bzdoug_ | how would YOU make it? |
| 00:05.11 | Patlabor221 | like I said |
| 00:05.11 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:05.12 | Patlabor221 | rooms |
| 00:05.24 | Patlabor221 | with rooms that are served IRC style |
| 00:05.24 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:05.27 | Patlabor221 | if they wanted |
| 00:05.28 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:05.32 | Patlabor221 | then you could hop rooms |
| 00:05.35 | bzdoug_ | so I could make a #bzdoug room? |
| 00:05.37 | Patlabor221 | make a room that has no shooting |
| 00:05.41 | Patlabor221 | and call it chat |
| 00:05.45 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:05.45 | Patlabor221 | what ever you want |
| 00:05.49 | bzdoug_ | flag run... |
| 00:05.50 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:05.57 | bzdoug_ | how would I set the settings? |
| 00:08.28 | bzdoug_ | ... |
| 00:08.34 | Patlabor221 | the spirit of ice |
| 00:08.47 | Patlabor221 | play a final fantasy game |
| 00:09.02 | bzdoug_ | sorry, me SheVa is rather stronger than some little fairy |
| 00:09.21 | Patlabor221 | not little |
| 00:10.25 | bzdoug_ | bummer |
| 00:11.01 | Patlabor221 | hye fiber: you here? |
| 00:14.10 | Jormungandr | shiva in ffx is awesome. |
| 00:14.46 | Patlabor221 | that she is |
| 00:15.13 | Patlabor221 | I liked when I summoned the bahumut for the first time, and yuna went "oh my" when he landed |
| 00:15.55 | Patlabor221 | tho I kinda miss the summon as a one off spell kinda thing from FF7 |
| 00:17.51 | bzdoug_ | a game called nethack, and it aint even a multiplayer game |
| 00:18.33 | Patlabor221 | just go play EQ |
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| 00:18.40 | Patlabor221 | and get phat lewt |
| 00:18.52 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:21.36 | Patlabor221 | phat lew d3wd |
| 00:56.08 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
| 01:01.23 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 01:01.26 | bzdoug_ | phpbb? |
| 01:02.04 | Patlabor221 | phpbb2 |
| 01:02.09 | Patlabor221 | to be specific |
| 01:02.11 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:02.15 | bzdoug_ | phpbb2? |
| 01:06.13 | Patlabor221 | waht the bzboard runs |
| 01:06.21 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:16.34 | Patlabor221 | whoooot ride the split man.!!!! |
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| 01:20.43 | Patlabor221 | anyone know how I can set up this here linux macine to let people SSH and remove X into it? |
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| 01:21.59 | Patlabor221 | ahhh the smart people return!!! |
| 01:22.03 | Patlabor221 | hello smart people |
| 01:22.09 | Patlabor221 | can you help me |
| 01:22.22 | Patlabor221 | i is dumb |
| 01:22.25 | Patlabor221 | bye smart people |
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| 01:26.55 | Patlabor221 | yay smart people again |
| 01:27.17 | Patlabor221 | are you alive smart people? |
| 01:35.10 | TimRiker | welcome to opensplits.net |
| 01:36.25 | stibnite | hehe |
| 01:36.55 | stibnite | you're always welcome on hashmark... :) |
| 01:36.57 | Patlabor221 | man |
| 01:37.06 | Patlabor221 | I feel dizzy |
| 01:39.36 | Patlabor221 | or maybe that's just from the webserver that won't work |
| 01:43.51 | Patlabor221 | that won't fix a webserver |
| 01:44.02 | bzdoug_ | hm |
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| 01:44.54 | bzdoug_ | YO!!!! MRAPATHYCREAM!!! |
| 01:46.37 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 01:51.26 | fontenot | hi |
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| 02:33.45 | TimRiker | ~bzflist |
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| 03:24.46 | fiberchunks | Patalbor221: you see my post bout setting up a server and what not? |
| 03:24.54 | Patalbor221 | yes |
| 03:25.13 | Patalbor221 | I have most of what you said about teh web service set u[ |
| 03:25.39 | fiberchunks | cool -- if you need any help, I'm around for a little while |
| 03:26.07 | Patalbor221 | I can't do it till tomorow |
| 03:26.13 | Patalbor221 | not a the place with the macine anymore |
| 03:26.20 | fiberchunks | I'll definitely be around tomorrow |
| 03:26.33 | fiberchunks | prob in the late afternoon, early evening time (EST) |
| 03:26.34 | Patalbor221 | it's a P3 450 |
| 03:26.40 | fiberchunks | should be fine |
| 03:27.08 | Patalbor221 | I have apachee installed ( I think ) |
| 03:27.33 | fiberchunks | easy way to check that out -- just try and open http://localhost in a browser |
| 03:27.52 | Patalbor221 | k |
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| 03:28.22 | fiberchunks | did you issue #service httpd start? |
| 03:28.42 | Patalbor221 | I went to the services controll panel and started it |
| 03:28.52 | fiberchunks | that works too |
| 03:29.21 | fiberchunks | s/lukw/luke |
| 03:29.23 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 03:29.25 | Patalbor221 | I do |
| 03:29.28 | Patalbor221 | for some things |
| 03:30.01 | fiberchunks | all that vhost stuff is incredibly customizable -- that's just what I use |
| 03:30.26 | Patalbor221 | the redhat installer made all those var/www/html dirs for me |
| 03:30.31 | fiberchunks | so I keep my 'site-access' logs separate from my httpd access logs |
| 03:31.12 | fiberchunks | it would have -- the default install will put in /var/www/html -- and that will default to the 'Welcome to Apache running on 'localhost'' screen if you try and open localhost |
| 03:32.01 | fiberchunks | all your logs, btw (default), are in /var/log/httpd/<foo> |
| 03:34.48 | Patalbor221 | well it's just gonna host the board, so I'm not too woried bout logs |
| 03:35.25 | Patalbor221 | and be there for me to make builds on |
| 03:35.35 | fiberchunks | good things to know / bookmark: http://www.mysql.com/documentation/mysql/bychapter/ http://httpd.apache.org/docs/ http://phpbb.com/doc.php http://www.phpwizard.net/projects/phpMyAdmin/ etc |
| 03:36.42 | fiberchunks | for just a board, you will, at minimum, need: apache (mod_php and mod_gzip), mysql, and phpBB installed (as an option, phpmyadmin is an easy to use mysql admin tool) |
| 03:36.57 | Patalbor221 | how does the compresion work? |
| 03:37.03 | Patalbor221 | does it send compressed data? |
| 03:37.03 | fiberchunks | depends |
| 03:37.12 | fiberchunks | compresses pages on the fly |
| 03:37.45 | fiberchunks | the forum software supports it internally, but it seems to bork (you'll see what I mean if you enable it) on some browsers (notably, most of the NS ilk) |
| 03:38.12 | Patalbor221 | then I won't do it |
| 03:38.26 | fiberchunks | apache +mod_gzip is what I use, and it renders things fine (and also avoids the 'blank pages' problem of the forum software) |
| 03:38.58 | fiberchunks | oooo, looks like phpBB 2.0.4 is out -- I'll have to upgrade the forum |
| 03:39.01 | fiberchunks | soon |
| 03:42.00 | MrApathyCream | >>>===========>> ?? |
| 03:43.30 | Patalbor221 | those are 2 spaces and 2 question marks |
| 03:45.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.48 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.51 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.57 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.57 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:45.59 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.01 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.04 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:46.05 | MrApathyCream | ----------- |
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| 03:46.20 | Patalbor221 | no no, it's got no fins at the front |
| 03:46.30 | Patalbor221 | I got pissed at the UV maper |
| 03:46.37 | MrApathyCream | well, it doesn't have anything now!! |
| 03:46.43 | Patalbor221 | so I was working on the codeing part |
| 03:46.45 | Patalbor221 | yes it does |
| 03:46.50 | Patalbor221 | there is geo for it |
| 03:46.56 | Patalbor221 | just has 1 texture coord |
| 03:47.05 | MrApathyCream | cvs co -r v1_7 missile.cxx |
| 03:47.10 | MrApathyCream | #error missile.cxx unknown |
| 03:47.44 | Patalbor221 | sadly it's not called that |
| 03:47.47 | Patalbor221 | and not in CVS |
| 03:47.52 | MrApathyCream | my point :) |
| 03:48.05 | Patalbor221 | well not YOUR CVS |
| 03:48.41 | Patalbor221 | but I have added OSFile.cxx |
| 03:49.03 | Patalbor221 | there is someone else with a wip |
| 03:49.07 | Patalbor221 | and a paycheck |
| 03:49.24 | MrApathyCream | priorities, man!! |
| 03:49.58 | bzdoug_ | ~lart everybody but bzdoug |
| 03:50.05 | Patalbor221 | and "BZefied" the model clases |
| 03:50.14 | Patalbor221 | and made it work with the sate machine thingy |
| 03:50.31 | Patalbor221 | rbr |
| 03:50.36 | bzdoug_ | rbr |
| 03:50.40 | MrApathyCream | brb |
| 03:50.48 | bzdoug_ | rrb! |
| 03:50.49 | bzdoug_ | bbr |
| 03:50.56 | bzdoug_ | brr |
| 03:51.33 | Patalbor221 | gotta swich ISPs |
| 03:51.41 | bzdoug_ | hah |
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| 04:09.33 | Patalbor221 | doug..... http://BZ.doug.youaremyfriend.com/ |
| 04:10.15 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 04:10.28 | Patalbor221 | hey I don't make these things up |
| 04:10.33 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 04:10.54 | Patalbor221 | well unitll the other one craps out we have 2 DSL lines here now |
| 04:11.03 | bzdoug_ | hah |
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| 04:42.18 | Patlabor221 | MAC if you want to see the model classes and osfile classes they are in the latest source release of BZ:0 |
| 04:44.54 | MrApathyCream | bah, put em in cvs |
| 04:46.53 | Patlabor221 | Tim would not like them |
| 04:47.43 | Patlabor221 | they need to be beaten with the ofical coding style ugly stick |
| 04:47.52 | Patlabor221 | and I'm not the one to do it |
| 04:50.58 | Patlabor221 | unless he wants to leave it the way they are, then I'll be all for it |
| 04:54.45 | MrApathyCream | i'll fix em |
| 04:56.15 | MrApathyCream | i've got a code uglifier |
| 04:59.49 | Patlabor221 | hopefully I'll have more time tomorow |
| 04:59.52 | Patlabor221 | or perhaps later tongiht |
| 04:59.56 | Patlabor221 | doing web work now :( |
| 05:17.57 | Patlabor221 | why does the format of the interweb have to be so wierd |
| 05:18.04 | Patlabor221 | and sooo text based |
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| 05:30.44 | MrApathyCream | hey Dutchrai, how goes the dutch translation |
| 05:30.49 | MrApathyCream | sheesh |
| 05:30.59 | Patlabor221 | not well it seems |
| 05:41.48 | Patlabor221 | well that's enough interweb work for one day |
| 05:42.03 | Patlabor221 | now to bur the sad 680 meg site to a CD |
| 05:42.16 | MrApathyCream | w00t! missiles? |
| 05:42.27 | Patlabor221 | when I get home I will work on it more |
| 05:42.39 | Patlabor221 | start rippin out the current GM shot drawing code |
| 05:42.46 | Patlabor221 | and init the new classes |
| 05:42.58 | Patlabor221 | it can read the model without textures |
| 05:43.22 | MrApathyCream | Is File class abstract base/derived format, like rest of platform? |
| 05:43.37 | Patlabor221 | sadly no |
| 05:43.43 | MrApathyCream | #defines? |
| 05:43.50 | Patlabor221 | just 2 of them |
| 05:43.51 | MrApathyCream | er, #ifdefs? |
| 05:43.56 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:43.58 | Patlabor221 | but not many |
| 05:44.09 | Patlabor221 | I want to redo it in the base/derived |
| 05:44.16 | Patlabor221 | it can be set up like that easy |
| 05:44.16 | MrApathyCream | would be better |
| 05:44.29 | Patlabor221 | that it would |
| 05:45.57 | Patlabor221 | model class dosn't need it since it has nothing OS specific |
| 05:46.03 | Patlabor221 | class the file class |
| 05:46.07 | Patlabor221 | and then just GL calls |
| 05:46.13 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:46.37 | Patlabor221 | even asumes the BZ glState stuff will take care of the texture |
| 05:48.33 | Patlabor221 | do need to come up with standard names and actions for the 3 parts of the missle tho |
| 05:48.54 | Patlabor221 | so that if anyone wants to replace it they can just make a model with the same 3 parts |
| 05:49.11 | Patlabor221 | or maybe just 2 named parts, and asume everything else is the missle |
| 05:49.53 | MrApathyCream | when the thing explodes do the parts go their separate ways? |
| 05:49.54 | MrApathyCream | ;) |
| 05:50.10 | Patlabor221 | the API has a function for that but right now it's stubed |
| 05:50.19 | Patlabor221 | that was my plan but I only realy need that for tanks |
| 05:50.27 | Patlabor221 | the GM just disapears |
| 05:50.35 | MrApathyCream | that's fine |
| 05:58.37 | Patlabor221 | but yeah I think it would be cool to just devine n parts in the model and have it "auto-plode" |
| 06:24.50 | MrApathyCream | ~lurkercount |
| 06:25.21 | captain_proton | <ibot> 23 |
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| 06:30.14 | captain_proton | ARG |
| 06:31.34 | captain_proton | scanline: no working copies :( |
| 06:32.09 | captain_proton | the subversion stuff seems to be a lot older than i expected and my other copy got hosed while i was trying to merge it in with the newer codebase |
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| 06:45.13 | Patalbor2211 | odd when you can drive home before you timeout |
| 06:48.44 | fiberchunks | everning |
| 06:52.52 | Patalbor2211 | brb |
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| 06:56.27 | Patlabor221 | it removed easeof config |
| 06:57.08 | Patlabor221 | KDE make config easy |
| 06:57.17 | fiberchunks | yah, I seem to remember being able (and this is a small issue) to define different images on different desktops -- I have no idea if they have any design philosophy behind their decisions |
| 06:57.24 | Patlabor221 | well I shoud say customisation of the window stuff |
| 06:57.30 | fiberchunks | yah, but KDE, imho, is buggy as hell |
| 06:57.41 | Patlabor221 | seems to run fine for me |
| 06:57.44 | fiberchunks | and a memory pig |
| 06:58.14 | Patlabor221 | gnome only lets me change "themes" |
| 06:58.17 | fiberchunks | maybe just a distro specific issue -- don't use either one myself (fluxbox for a wm) |
| 06:58.19 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 06:58.24 | Patlabor221 | can't mess with the individual items |
| 06:58.30 | fiberchunks | imho, gnome1.4 was better |
| 06:58.41 | captain_proton | gnome1.4 doesn't have gdl |
| 06:58.45 | captain_proton | so its automatically crap |
| 06:58.51 | fiberchunks | woot, got my first successful, albeit useless openGL app running |
| 06:59.01 | Patlabor221 | make a box? |
| 06:59.06 | fiberchunks | yup ;) |
| 06:59.16 | fiberchunks | err, rectangle :) |
| 06:59.50 | Patlabor221 | ahhhh a orthonormal bounded plane |
| 07:00.01 | fiberchunks | guess you gotta start somewhere tho, hrm? |
| 07:00.13 | Patlabor221 | next you should try a rectiliar paralelapipid |
| 07:00.54 | fiberchunks | I think I'll try learning some more of the function syntax first thanks ;) |
| 07:01.39 | Patlabor221 | glut is evil |
| 07:01.48 | Patlabor221 | save the pain just use SDL |
| 07:01.51 | fiberchunks | ah, but it's good for the basics of things |
| 07:02.01 | Patlabor221 | no builds bad habitsa |
| 07:02.08 | fiberchunks | why? |
| 07:02.12 | Patlabor221 | and you won't use antying you learn from glut |
| 07:02.21 | Patlabor221 | it's just an old way of doing it |
| 07:02.34 | Patlabor221 | and a bitch to set up |
| 07:02.39 | Patlabor221 | and get working the way you want |
| 07:02.42 | fiberchunks | how do you mean? |
| 07:02.46 | Patlabor221 | SDL does the exact same stuff |
| 07:02.52 | Patlabor221 | and is easer to set up |
| 07:02.55 | Patlabor221 | the API |
| 07:02.59 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:03.01 | Patlabor221 | sdl's is cleaner |
| 07:03.11 | Patlabor221 | since your using an API, should go with a good one |
| 07:03.53 | Patlabor221 | and you can still clall clut calls if you use SDL for window setup and input I think |
| 07:03.58 | fiberchunks | the problem with that is, most of the good basic tuts / books I've found only use glut for their examples -- and I'd have to hunt all over again for basic SDL / openGL tuts |
| 07:03.59 | Patlabor221 | like glutTeapot() |
| 07:04.11 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:04.17 | Patlabor221 | the glut part should be the minimal part of the tut |
| 07:04.28 | Patlabor221 | glut should just get you a window and some input |
| 07:04.36 | Patlabor221 | the rest is all pure GL |
| 07:04.41 | Patlabor221 | and that can be done anywhere |
| 07:04.53 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:05.09 | Patlabor221 | hell you could do the gl stuff in a windows MFC app if you wanted too |
| 07:05.28 | fiberchunks | cept I don't use windows -- so that's rather difficult ;) |
| 07:05.28 | Patlabor221 | unless the tuts are using glut as a cruch for stuff |
| 07:05.31 | Patlabor221 | like geo |
| 07:05.43 | Patlabor221 | I was just making a point :) |
| 07:05.46 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:06.06 | Patlabor221 | if they are using glut for everything, then it's more of a glut tut, then a GL tut |
| 07:06.40 | Patlabor221 | and adapting the code to a difrent API makes you realy understand the code, not just copy it and compile |
| 07:06.40 | fiberchunks | q: is window scaling a function of finding the 'real' device size (monitor resolution), and then doing some math on those parameters? |
| 07:06.57 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean? |
| 07:07.13 | Patlabor221 | you mean when the context scales, your image does? |
| 07:07.36 | fiberchunks | for example: I run @ 1600x1200 -- suppose I want a window on that resolution that is 1/3 the size (in both dimensions) -- how does one perform that efficiently? |
| 07:07.57 | fiberchunks | is there a glRescale function? |
| 07:08.02 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:08.20 | Patlabor221 | you allways tell gl how the context pixes map to the gl stae |
| 07:08.22 | Patlabor221 | state |
| 07:08.27 | Patlabor221 | with glPerspective |
| 07:08.31 | Patlabor221 | or glViewport |
| 07:08.49 | fiberchunks | k, then how do I query the actual device for it's size (i.e. 800x600, 1600x1200, etc)? |
| 07:08.49 | Patlabor221 | with glperspective you tell gl how wide the field of view is |
| 07:08.58 | Patlabor221 | in gl you don't |
| 07:09.02 | Patlabor221 | that's up to the OS |
| 07:09.07 | fiberchunks | I'm talking of scaling the actual context, not the view itself |
| 07:09.11 | Patlabor221 | since the device may not even be on your hardware |
| 07:09.21 | Patlabor221 | yes that is part of the OS hooks |
| 07:09.26 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:09.33 | Patlabor221 | like the window, gl dosnt' know what a window is |
| 07:09.39 | Patlabor221 | it just knows of a context |
| 07:09.40 | fiberchunks | right, that's X domain |
| 07:09.52 | Patlabor221 | or mac, or win, or what ever |
| 07:10.02 | Patlabor221 | realy you should not care |
| 07:10.06 | Patlabor221 | your code should handle it |
| 07:10.08 | fiberchunks | so the next question is: is there a platform independent method for determining the physical device dimensions? |
| 07:10.14 | fiberchunks | well, that's why I'm asking |
| 07:10.21 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 07:10.24 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:10.24 | Patlabor221 | not in GL |
| 07:10.29 | Patlabor221 | SDL provides one |
| 07:10.38 | Patlabor221 | you tell it how large to make the surface |
| 07:10.38 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 07:10.43 | Patlabor221 | or make it full screen |
| 07:10.47 | Patlabor221 | then query it |
| 07:10.55 | Patlabor221 | it has device enumerators |
| 07:10.59 | fiberchunks | ic |
| 07:11.09 | Patlabor221 | but again since GL is soo abstract, you can't think of "devices" |
| 07:11.20 | Patlabor221 | because you never know what the device is |
| 07:11.33 | fiberchunks | just the context |
| 07:11.45 | Patlabor221 | yah but the context is abstract too |
| 07:12.01 | Patlabor221 | there is probalby a glGet for the context size tho |
| 07:12.37 | Patlabor221 | let me look |
| 07:12.41 | fiberchunks | but I thought the context was the main drawing surface, and hence, whatever the context is set / scaled too, would enable GL to be aware of (horrible grammar) |
| 07:12.52 | Patlabor221 | you can have N contexts |
| 07:13.09 | Patlabor221 | and the context may not use pixels |
| 07:13.18 | fiberchunks | ah, terminology time |
| 07:13.20 | Patlabor221 | and gl dosn't handle messages |
| 07:13.21 | fiberchunks | phoot |
| 07:13.29 | Patlabor221 | so it can't tell you when stuff happens |
| 07:13.32 | Patlabor221 | that's up to the OS |
| 07:13.52 | Patlabor221 | what do you want to do? |
| 07:13.53 | fiberchunks | right, hence you need sdl, or some other input / event handling mechanism with gl |
| 07:13.59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:14.12 | fiberchunks | nothing really, just questions that pop into my head as I fiddle with this stuf |
| 07:14.13 | fiberchunks | f |
| 07:14.54 | fiberchunks | are contexts 'seperable' (i.e. no one 'parent' context and all the rest defined by that parent)? |
| 07:15.09 | fiberchunks | s/all the rest/n many more |
| 07:15.53 | Patlabor221 | glGetIntegerV(GL_VIEWPORT,&i) |
| 07:16.04 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 07:16.14 | Patlabor221 | that will get you the size of the current viewport |
| 07:16.44 | Patlabor221 | but you can set that also :) |
| 07:16.47 | fiberchunks | now viewport is defined as the 'visible application area' or some such thing I imagine |
| 07:17.00 | fiberchunks | NOT the physical device (e.g. monitor) |
| 07:17.03 | fiberchunks | resolution |
| 07:17.04 | Patlabor221 | nether |
| 07:17.23 | Patlabor221 | it's defined as the size of the projection plane in pixels |
| 07:18.28 | Patlabor221 | it defines for what ever size the viewport is in reality, you want to call it X by Y pixels high |
| 07:18.39 | Patlabor221 | it realy helps to set it the same as the device in the real world |
| 07:18.41 | Patlabor221 | but you don't have to |
| 07:18.56 | fiberchunks | define viewport in the context of something I can visualize please |
| 07:19.07 | Patlabor221 | you know the view frustum? |
| 07:19.11 | Patlabor221 | what it is? |
| 07:19.21 | fiberchunks | the cone of the camera perspective |
| 07:19.25 | fiberchunks | essentially |
| 07:19.26 | Patlabor221 | not a cone |
| 07:19.30 | Patlabor221 | windows are square |
| 07:19.34 | Patlabor221 | a pyramid |
| 07:19.39 | fiberchunks | sry, the pyramid |
| 07:19.57 | Patlabor221 | where you have a H field of View and a Y field of fiew |
| 07:20.07 | scanline | more of a truncated pyramid, since you don't want the distance from an object to the camera to become zero |
| 07:20.20 | Patlabor221 | so that makes a pyramid going into the screen becasue of perspective |
| 07:20.28 | fiberchunks | truncated on which end -- the camera end? |
| 07:20.28 | Patlabor221 | yes you have a far clip and a near clip |
| 07:20.32 | Patlabor221 | both |
| 07:20.33 | fiberchunks | oh, sure, ok |
| 07:20.39 | Patlabor221 | that near clip |
| 07:20.48 | Patlabor221 | that is the projection plane |
| 07:20.53 | Patlabor221 | for any point in the view |
| 07:21.06 | Patlabor221 | you draw a line from the point to the eye point |
| 07:21.22 | Patlabor221 | where that point interects the near clip you make a pixel |
| 07:21.28 | fiberchunks | pardon, but what's the far clip defined as? |
| 07:21.29 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 07:21.34 | fiberchunks | or is it |
| 07:21.43 | Patlabor221 | wher you stop drawing WAYYYY out in the distnace |
| 07:21.46 | Patlabor221 | you don't have to have one |
| 07:21.54 | Patlabor221 | but you usualy do for speed reasons |
| 07:21.57 | fiberchunks | an 'infinite view' so to speak |
| 07:22.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:22.10 | Patlabor221 | if you don't have one you never stop drawing |
| 07:22.19 | Patlabor221 | but in thery you don't need one |
| 07:22.32 | Patlabor221 | it's not used for the projection |
| 07:22.53 | Patlabor221 | now usualy that projection plane matches pixel per pixel to the window |
| 07:22.59 | Patlabor221 | and to the device |
| 07:23.07 | Patlabor221 | cus that makes the most sence |
| 07:23.17 | Patlabor221 | you want that window to be where you see in the scene |
| 07:23.21 | Patlabor221 | but you don't have to do that |
| 07:23.28 | Patlabor221 | you can do alllll sorts of wacky stuff |
| 07:23.31 | Patlabor221 | if you want to |
| 07:23.34 | fiberchunks | the actual window that you, the user, see (i.e. the window the game runs in) |
| 07:23.36 | Patlabor221 | by changing that |
| 07:23.38 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:24.01 | Patlabor221 | there is also orthograpic projections |
| 07:24.08 | Patlabor221 | where there is no perspective |
| 07:24.12 | fiberchunks | ~dict orthographic |
| 07:24.19 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 07:24.23 | fiberchunks | nice definition : |
| 07:24.25 | fiberchunks | \ |
| 07:24.34 | Patlabor221 | you know how things get smaller when they get farther away? |
| 07:24.40 | fiberchunks | yeah, perspective |
| 07:24.54 | Patlabor221 | ortho, is where that dosnt' hapen |
| 07:25.11 | Patlabor221 | it's usefull for 2 things |
| 07:25.20 | scanline | ortho ignores the Z coordinate after transforming into camera coordinates |
| 07:25.31 | Patlabor221 | CAD type stuff where perspective would screw up your view |
| 07:25.32 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:25.42 | Patlabor221 | and for stuff like overlays, and 2d things |
| 07:25.53 | Patlabor221 | sometimes it's nice to set your viewport to 1,1 |
| 07:26.07 | fiberchunks | so an orthogonal view is one where perspective isn't distorted |
| 07:26.14 | fiberchunks | or lacking |
| 07:26.24 | fiberchunks | sry, IS distorted |
| 07:26.39 | Patlabor221 | it's distorted from the phisical world |
| 07:26.46 | Patlabor221 | but simpler in the math world |
| 07:26.53 | fiberchunks | makes sense |
| 07:26.54 | scanline | it's just completely missing really, not distorted |
| 07:27.07 | Patlabor221 | sometimes its nice to set ortho, and set your viewport to 1,1 |
| 07:27.13 | fiberchunks | well, I meant from a human beings perspective |
| 07:27.17 | scanline | you literally just remove the Z coordinate, rather than projecting from 3D to 2D |
| 07:27.18 | Patlabor221 | then just draw stuff at like 0.5 |
| 07:27.28 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 07:27.30 | Patlabor221 | then it's allways in the middle of the screen no mater what res the screen is at |
| 07:27.31 | MrApathyCream | tim on one |
| 07:28.16 | Patlabor221 | the only thing that realy needs to know about the device is the driver |
| 07:28.21 | fiberchunks | man, if ppl in the #<foo>help channels were as helpful as you all, there'd be no problems :) |
| 07:28.36 | fiberchunks | the actual OS driver, you mean |
| 07:28.39 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:29.01 | Patlabor221 | you can make an app that says make the window 600 pixels by 400 pixels |
| 07:29.27 | Patlabor221 | and they may have some new fangled display that does everthing at double res |
| 07:29.32 | Patlabor221 | so the driver has to do the map |
| 07:29.42 | Patlabor221 | your app just talks in GL cords |
| 07:30.00 | Patlabor221 | and the driver knows that means 2x in device cords |
| 07:30.10 | Patlabor221 | or the device could be a ploter |
| 07:30.16 | Patlabor221 | or someone on a remote X |
| 07:30.20 | Patlabor221 | ona PDA |
| 07:30.24 | Patlabor221 | you never know |
| 07:30.46 | fiberchunks | well ok -- what if the user runs at a native (physical) resolution of say, 800x600 (whatever), and they select a resolution for your app that far exceeds the physical dimensions of that screen, how does one handle that in an app (or do they need to?) |
| 07:31.25 | Patlabor221 | hell the powerVR chipset did everything in "spans" |
| 07:31.47 | Patlabor221 | depends on what you want to hapen for larger contexts |
| 07:32.16 | Patlabor221 | if you want larger res to just mean the same picture but more resouution, then you don't realy do antying |
| 07:32.19 | fiberchunks | suppose you want to scale in the above example, to whatever their device is at resolution wise) |
| 07:32.28 | Patlabor221 | you just tell GL perspective the frustum angles |
| 07:32.34 | Patlabor221 | and the clip planes |
| 07:32.38 | Patlabor221 | and it'll calc it |
| 07:33.11 | fiberchunks | now I'm puzzled -- if GL doesn't handle physical device characteristics -- how does it know what to calculate to? |
| 07:33.12 | Patlabor221 | if you want more res to mean a larger view, like a wider window means a larger field of view |
| 07:33.18 | Patlabor221 | the driver does |
| 07:33.27 | Patlabor221 | the driver implements parts of GL |
| 07:33.31 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:33.51 | Patlabor221 | you don't realy scale |
| 07:34.00 | Patlabor221 | since you don't rely wory about pixels |
| 07:34.19 | Patlabor221 | for perspective you define a FOV and clips |
| 07:34.32 | Patlabor221 | for ortho you define viewport extents |
| 07:34.57 | Patlabor221 | I allways set my Y FOV to be the same |
| 07:35.13 | Patlabor221 | and let the X FOV get auto calced |
| 07:35.16 | Patlabor221 | based on the window |
| 07:35.23 | Patlabor221 | or specificly the aspect ratio |
| 07:35.42 | Patlabor221 | so that if you have a wide ass display you get a wider field of view |
| 07:36.06 | Patlabor221 | but if you make it taller you get more pixels to render the same view so ti looks better |
| 07:36.44 | Patlabor221 | like in BZ, a person with a 640x480 screen sees the same basic picture as someone with a 1280x1024 screen |
| 07:37.07 | Patlabor221 | it just looks sharper because there are more pixels to draw the output image with |
| 07:37.48 | Patlabor221 | that's because the 2 reses have abou the same aspect ratio and bz says, that the field of view is the same for both dispays |
| 07:38.06 | Patlabor221 | you could make the larger display have a larger FOV |
| 07:38.19 | fiberchunks | but that would be cheating ;) |
| 07:38.27 | Patlabor221 | exatly |
| 07:38.34 | Patlabor221 | realy depends on your game type tho |
| 07:38.45 | fiberchunks | bz context, that is |
| 07:39.02 | Patlabor221 | in something like a RTS you may want to give people with larger monitors a larger view |
| 07:39.15 | Patlabor221 | so you have both options |
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| 07:39.45 | Patlabor221 | with ortho it's realy just how you want to draw |
| 07:39.54 | fiberchunks | q: why is it that WA flag in bz makes everything seem to move closer quicker (or does it?) |
| 07:40.10 | Patlabor221 | like in BZ, larger screen just make the UI larger |
| 07:40.20 | fiberchunks | right, not the fov |
| 07:40.34 | Patlabor221 | in ortho there is no FOV |
| 07:40.42 | Patlabor221 | well it's allways 0 |
| 07:40.51 | Patlabor221 | the frustm for ortho is a box |
| 07:41.00 | Patlabor221 | since Z dosn't "Spread out" |
| 07:41.20 | fiberchunks | I keep muddling the difference between the radar fov, and a 'real' fov (duh) |
| 07:41.21 | Patlabor221 | wide angle tricks your mind, the FOV is compresed |
| 07:41.47 | Patlabor221 | so that stuff moves more pixels |
| 07:41.53 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:42.20 | Patlabor221 | and your rotation is in deg, and now you see more deg on your screen then should be for the size of it |
| 07:42.28 | Patlabor221 | your FOV as a person dosn't change |
| 07:42.34 | Patlabor221 | so it looks wierd |
| 07:42.53 | fiberchunks | but forward speed is still consant |
| 07:42.54 | Fhwqugads_ | -/nick Patlabor221 |
| 07:43.02 | fiberchunks | (or whatever direction, that is) |
| 07:43.29 | Patlabor221 | yes, perspective is now jacked because the angle is larger |
| 07:43.54 | Patlabor221 | and that angle is used to get the projetoon |
| 07:44.08 | Patlabor221 | so the perspective curve changes |
| 07:44.49 | Patlabor221 | see for ortho I don't do my UI like BZ |
| 07:45.02 | Patlabor221 | I keep the UI the same pixel size |
| 07:45.05 | Patlabor221 | but move it |
| 07:45.12 | Patlabor221 | and allways keep it at the edges |
| 07:45.18 | Patlabor221 | that way it's sharp |
| 07:45.28 | Patlabor221 | and not scaled |
| 07:45.46 | Patlabor221 | so people with larger screens get more screen for 3d stuff and not for UI |
| 07:46.12 | scanline | nice sharp properly-hinted truetype fonts |
| 07:46.18 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:46.23 | Patlabor221 | not blury UI crap |
| 07:46.28 | captain_proton | what a crappy evening |
| 07:46.38 | Patlabor221 | what happend? |
| 07:46.43 | fiberchunks | so lemme see if I got the above right -- you take the projection plane and move it closer to the camera? |
| 07:46.43 | captain_proton | nothing |
| 07:47.00 | Patlabor221 | no you make the field of view larger |
| 07:47.14 | Patlabor221 | but put it in the same pixel space |
| 07:47.42 | fiberchunks | oh, I see - so the projection plane stays put, but the FOV increases -- more pixels for same view, hence, still sharp |
| 07:47.55 | Patlabor221 | makes the distance form the eyepoint to the plane look smaller tho, but only in ratio |
| 07:49.07 | Patlabor221 | the viewport is defined as the intersection of the projection plane with the sides of the view frustum |
| 07:49.33 | Patlabor221 | and the sides of the frutum are defeined by the eye point and the FOVs |
| 07:50.32 | Patlabor221 | that intersection is maped to the device |
| 07:50.52 | Patlabor221 | in prespective you don't ever define pixels |
| 07:51.02 | scanline | not necessarily :) |
| 07:51.02 | Patlabor221 | it's all XYZ coords |
| 07:51.07 | Patlabor221 | usualy |
| 07:51.13 | Patlabor221 | I'm going simple here for him |
| 07:51.22 | Patlabor221 | you can do all kinds of wierd stuff |
| 07:51.26 | Patlabor221 | like scan does |
| 07:51.36 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 07:51.37 | Patlabor221 | tho that wierd stuff is kewl |
| 07:52.31 | Patlabor221 | like the projection of screen space into camera space so that you give camera corrds and they get transformed back into the same pixels |
| 07:53.05 | fiberchunks | so the viewport always fills the frustrum (or is that a function of how you do things in your app)? |
| 07:53.08 | Patlabor221 | but in the normal perpectiv space you give XYZ corrds |
| 07:53.23 | Patlabor221 | and GL transforms them into eye cords then scrren coorfs |
| 07:53.53 | Patlabor221 | the definition of the viewport is to the edges of the frustum usualy at the near clip |
| 07:54.00 | Patlabor221 | so yes |
| 07:54.03 | fiberchunks | k |
| 07:54.32 | Patlabor221 | to keep things sane you usualy redfine your prespective when the window or screen changes size |
| 07:54.46 | Patlabor221 | depending on how you want to do it |
| 07:55.15 | Patlabor221 | and that happens on a message from the OS |
| 07:55.20 | Patlabor221 | or SDL |
| 07:55.22 | Patlabor221 | or what have you |
| 07:55.23 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 07:55.55 | Patlabor221 | if you never change the gl setings and scale the window, it will jsut look like your image is geting streched |
| 07:56.17 | Patlabor221 | it will only look 1:1 at the size it was when you defined your prespective |
| 07:56.27 | Patlabor221 | or at least in the same aspect ratio |
| 07:57.17 | Patlabor221 | // resize the openGL context |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | void CPocketEngine::SizeGlWindow(UINT nType, int cx, int cy) |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | m_fAspect = 1.33f; |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | m_iViewportX = cx; |
| 07:57.18 | Patlabor221 | m_iViewportY = cy; |
| 07:57.20 | Patlabor221 | wglMakeCurrent(m_hdc, m_hGLRC); |
| 07:57.22 | Patlabor221 | if (m_iViewportY != 0) |
| 07:57.24 | Patlabor221 | m_fAspect = (float) m_iViewportX / (float) m_iViewportY; |
| 07:57.26 | Patlabor221 | glMatrixMode (GL_PROJECTION); |
| 07:57.28 | Patlabor221 | glLoadIdentity (); |
| 07:57.30 | Patlabor221 | gluPerspective (m_fov, // Field-of-view angle (def = 30) |
| 07:57.32 | Patlabor221 | m_fAspect, // Aspect ratio of viewing volume |
| 07:57.34 | Patlabor221 | _NearClip, // Distance to near clipping plane |
| 07:57.36 | Patlabor221 | _FarClip); // Distance to far clipping plane |
| 07:57.38 | Patlabor221 | glViewport (0, 0, m_iViewportX, m_iViewportY); |
| 07:57.40 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 07:57.42 | Patlabor221 | and don't you say a thing about the m_ stuff |
| 07:57.57 | Patlabor221 | this is from the MFC version :) so it matches |
| 07:58.14 | fiberchunks | m_ defines member variables right? |
| 07:58.19 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 07:58.40 | scanline | m_ doesn't define anything, it's a convention that some people use to indicate member variables |
| 07:58.51 | fiberchunks | I see what you're saying about the scaling with that simple rectangle code I compiled |
| 07:58.54 | scanline | only a convention |
| 07:58.55 | Patlabor221 | it's what I use it for, but yes he is right |
| 07:59.04 | fiberchunks | yah, I realize that, like hungarian notation |
| 07:59.26 | Patlabor221 | I remove the m_ now from stuff I show cap and scan due the the heckeling |
| 07:59.26 | scanline | Stop hungarian notation where it starts: in the home. |
| 07:59.35 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 07:59.38 | Patlabor221 | but they will learn when they get real jobs :) |
| 07:59.45 | Patlabor221 | when the are broken |
| 08:00.03 | fiberchunks | lblTextLbl ;) |
| 08:00.21 | Patlabor221 | scan, I'm geting better I'm down to 1 leter that's it infont of stuff |
| 08:00.27 | scanline | wszLPCSTRlphaszLPwHWNDfoo |
| 08:00.34 | Patlabor221 | bDone |
| 08:00.43 | Patlabor221 | iShits |
| 08:00.57 | Patlabor221 | I can't stand full H notation |
| 08:01.00 | Patlabor221 | it's lame |
| 08:01.15 | Patlabor221 | but I see the nicetys of a shortenend convention |
| 08:01.40 | Patlabor221 | since most of the other devs i work with love to use the same or similar names |
| 08:01.43 | fiberchunks | well, for a n00b, such as i, the m_ conventions make things easier to remember (for now) |
| 08:02.03 | Patlabor221 | I can see how the m_ takes up a lot of space |
| 08:02.20 | Patlabor221 | ive goten to doing a 'g' infront of globals |
| 08:02.31 | Patlabor221 | since they hapen less frewuently |
| 08:03.08 | Patlabor221 | but realy I would sugest SDL for your base, they give you events and stuff for the resize |
| 08:03.13 | Patlabor221 | makes it easy |
| 08:03.20 | Patlabor221 | instead of all those callbacks |
| 08:03.39 | Patlabor221 | lets you decide how you want your app framework to be, not them |
| 08:03.42 | fiberchunks | well, I think then, on the recommendation of the gurus, that I'll hunt for SDL / GL beginning tuts (ugha - more stfw) |
| 08:04.00 | Patlabor221 | it sould be simple to port |
| 08:04.17 | Patlabor221 | and I thing GameTutorials.net has sdl ports of like 80% of there tuts |
| 08:04.17 | scanline | SDL is good for you. Cross-platform, and much cleaner than coding for DirectX, wgl, or glx |
| 08:04.21 | fiberchunks | the NeHe tutorials, iirc, have linux SDL versions of most of the tuts |
| 08:04.26 | Patlabor221 | he's using GLUT |
| 08:04.35 | scanline | much more useful than GLUT |
| 08:04.41 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 08:04.46 | Patlabor221 | and faster |
| 08:05.15 | fiberchunks | and that's currently what I'm working out of |
| 08:05.20 | Patlabor221 | becasue those were made like ages ago |
| 08:05.39 | Patlabor221 | I can show you how I set up SDL, it's realy easy. |
| 08:06.19 | fiberchunks | why does bz not use SDL (just a general question)? |
| 08:06.31 | fiberchunks | because it too, was made ages ago? ;) |
| 08:06.32 | Patlabor221 | if ( SDL_SetVideoMode(x, y, 0, flags) == NULL ) |
| 08:06.32 | Patlabor221 | return false; |
| 08:06.37 | Patlabor221 | bam one windoow |
| 08:06.43 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 08:06.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:06.50 | Patlabor221 | SDL is recent |
| 08:07.01 | Patlabor221 | cap was trying to get BZ to use LGE |
| 08:07.10 | Patlabor221 | and LGE is on top of SDL |
| 08:07.24 | fiberchunks | what happened to that effort? |
| 08:07.56 | Patlabor221 | ohh sorry there is more code then that |
| 08:07.57 | Patlabor221 | if ( SDL_Init(SDL_INIT_VIDEO) < 0 ) |
| 08:07.57 | Patlabor221 | return false; |
| 08:07.57 | Patlabor221 | Uint32 flags; |
| 08:07.57 | Patlabor221 | flags = SDL_OPENGL; |
| 08:07.57 | Patlabor221 | if (fullScreen) |
| 08:08.00 | Patlabor221 | flags |= SDL_FULLSCREEN; |
| 08:08.01 | Patlabor221 | if ( SDL_SetVideoMode(x, y, 0, flags) == NULL ) |
| 08:08.03 | Patlabor221 | return false; |
| 08:08.05 | Patlabor221 | InitGL(x,y); |
| 08:08.07 | Patlabor221 | m_iWinX = x; |
| 08:08.09 | Patlabor221 | m_iWinY = y; |
| 08:08.27 | Patlabor221 | BZ is soo very messy it made it hard, lot more would have had to change |
| 08:08.35 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:08.44 | Patlabor221 | BZs events would have to maybe have been removed |
| 08:08.48 | Patlabor221 | or changed |
| 08:09.51 | Patlabor221 | sdl gives you nice stuff like this |
| 08:09.52 | Patlabor221 | too |
| 08:09.52 | Patlabor221 | SDL_Event event; |
| 08:09.52 | Patlabor221 | while (SDL_PollEvent(&event)) |
| 08:09.53 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 08:09.53 | Patlabor221 | switch(event.type) |
| 08:09.54 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 08:09.56 | Patlabor221 | case SDL_QUIT: |
| 08:10.15 | Patlabor221 | so you can do event handaling on anyOS |
| 08:10.55 | Patlabor221 | tho I usualy only handle 2 SDL events and poll for the rest |
| 08:11.25 | Patlabor221 | quit and SDL_ACTIVEEVENT |
| 08:11.52 | Patlabor221 | SDL can even provided you with a main if you want |
| 08:12.57 | fiberchunks | ot: controversial subject: spaces or tabs for code indentation? |
| 08:13.12 | Patlabor221 | I refrain from answering |
| 08:13.16 | Patlabor221 | but they like spaces :) |
| 08:13.21 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 08:13.37 | MrApathyCream | bz has 8 space tabs so...spaces |
| 08:13.57 | Patlabor221 | except in those 6 new files :) |
| 08:14.00 | fiberchunks | more of a general question really |
| 08:14.04 | Patlabor221 | bwahahahahaha |
| 08:14.09 | fiberchunks | non bz specific |
| 08:14.11 | scanline | spaces! |
| 08:14.13 | scanline | tabs are evil |
| 08:14.14 | Patlabor221 | at my work we use tabs |
| 08:14.16 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 08:14.25 | Patlabor221 | as do all the companys we work with |
| 08:14.30 | MrApathyCream | i like tabs too |
| 08:14.33 | Patlabor221 | perhaps we are evil |
| 08:14.38 | Patlabor221 | but we have been called worse |
| 08:14.45 | Patlabor221 | usualy by students :) |
| 08:14.51 | scanline | gee, I seem to have all the unpopular opinions around here |
| 08:15.02 | Patlabor221 | not all |
| 08:15.03 | scanline | linux, spaces, emacs... |
| 08:15.10 | Patlabor221 | I like emacs too |
| 08:15.16 | captain_proton | eeek |
| 08:15.18 | Patlabor221 | when I use the leenox |
| 08:15.35 | lurgyman | emacs is the devil |
| 08:15.37 | Patlabor221 | but then I use an IDE for actual codeing |
| 08:15.39 | captain_proton | THE DEVIL |
| 08:15.43 | fiberchunks | vim, please |
| 08:15.45 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 08:15.46 | lurgyman | SATAN JIM |
| 08:15.52 | Patlabor221 | as I say, I have been called worse |
| 08:15.55 | lurgyman | vim: the wave of the future |
| 08:16.02 | lurgyman | and the past |
| 08:16.04 | lurgyman | and the presents |
| 08:16.17 | scanline | and what's wrong with malt-o-riffic-meal? |
| 08:16.31 | Patlabor221 | call precogPizza: we make it before you call. |
| 08:16.39 | MrApathyCream | must save pb for other purposes |
| 08:16.41 | captain_proton | hmm pizza |
| 08:16.44 | scanline | we should order pizza before they close at 3:00 |
| 08:17.07 | Patlabor221 | see you should not have to have a cheat sheet for a flipin text editor |
| 08:17.07 | scanline | would be good to do so after gonkulator and party return, but who knows when/if that will be... |
| 08:17.10 | lurgyman | or we can have a malt-o-meal party |
| 08:17.15 | Patlabor221 | that's why I hate word |
| 08:17.24 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: agrred |
| 08:17.49 | scanline | I just really can't stand vi's keybindings. Emacs may use way more memory than it should, but the keybindings make sense for me, and it's python-mode rocks |
| 08:18.13 | scanline | If jed had a decent autoindent, I'd use it instead of emacs |
| 08:18.14 | Patlabor221 | I've got a farkin gig of ram, it's cheap, use the ram, it' is your friend :) |
| 08:18.32 | fiberchunks | ^^^^^ ditto that |
| 08:18.44 | scanline | VI IS EVIL! LONG LIVE EMACS! |
| 08:18.58 | fiberchunks | let the holy wars begin *grin* |
| 08:19.23 | lurgyman | wtf is with ctrl-alt-x? why would you make that the most important keybinding? |
| 08:19.35 | scanline | ctrl-alt-x? |
| 08:19.44 | lurgyman | exactly what i said |
| 08:20.08 | MrApathyCream | certainly you can remap all the cmds |
| 08:20.10 | Patlabor221 | kwrite forevahhhhhh |
| 08:20.47 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: anjuta (as far as I've used it, which isn't much, mind you), is a rather nice IDE for linux |
| 08:20.58 | Patlabor221 | and thos elittle tabs |
| 08:20.59 | MrApathyCream | and a third for the printfs? |
| 08:21.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah I like angutna was cool, just wish it had 1 thing |
| 08:21.28 | Patlabor221 | and that one thing made me use kdev |
| 08:21.31 | fiberchunks | which? |
| 08:21.44 | Patlabor221 | right click on a function and get the man page on it |
| 08:21.49 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:22.00 | fiberchunks | that is a nice little feature |
| 08:22.03 | Patlabor221 | now if I could just bind it to F1 |
| 08:22.06 | scanline | real programmers don't use functions! |
| 08:22.07 | Patlabor221 | then all would be well |
| 08:22.46 | Patlabor221 | scan, only you poke at addresses untill you call the right OS feature :) |
| 08:23.06 | scanline | real programmers don't use addresses! |
| 08:23.14 | Patlabor221 | damnit, forgot to plug power in to the zip drive |
| 08:23.14 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 08:23.32 | Patlabor221 | then real programers must be very very hungry |
| 08:23.36 | Patlabor221 | or have other jobs |
| 08:23.43 | Patlabor221 | like at burger king |
| 08:23.50 | scanline | why should programming be about money? |
| 08:23.59 | PatlalLin | it dosn't have to be |
| 08:24.19 | PatlalLin | but if you want to do it for a living, well the presnetly that means money |
| 08:24.22 | PatlalLin | if you don't |
| 08:24.23 | PatlalLin | hey |
| 08:25.00 | captain_proton | dan is watching his two-grain-goodness thicken |
| 08:25.02 | captain_proton | its very exciting |
| 08:25.09 | scanline | hmm |
| 08:25.11 | scanline | sounds like it |
| 08:25.21 | PatlalLin | oooooo my new mobo has an option to be a "transitive node" |
| 08:25.30 | PatlalLin | that sounds all sci-fi |
| 08:25.39 | captain_proton | egads |
| 08:25.57 | captain_proton | dan was 5 seconds late interrupting the microwave for the intermediate stirring |
| 08:26.24 | PatlalLin | only 50" |
| 08:26.36 | fiberchunks | yeah -- the 60" is just too much money ;) |
| 08:27.04 | PatlalLin | http://www.pvponline.com/archive.php3?archive=20030116 |
| 08:27.23 | PatlalLin | that is the truth about large TVs |
| 08:27.25 | fiberchunks | ROFL |
| 08:29.21 | fiberchunks | your wall? |
| 08:29.28 | captain_proton | theoretical TURKEY JERKY |
| 08:30.22 | PatlalLin | hmmm how do I change the gnome greeter thingy? |
| 08:30.31 | PatlalLin | and give it a new picture |
| 08:30.33 | fiberchunks | what greeter thingy? |
| 08:30.40 | fiberchunks | the splashscreen? |
| 08:30.46 | PatlalLin | RH8 has this login greeter thingy |
| 08:30.51 | PatlalLin | no before that |
| 08:30.58 | PatlalLin | it's kinda neat |
| 08:31.16 | PatlalLin | and i want to change the splash for gnome and KDE |
| 08:31.17 | fiberchunks | hrm - with mandrake declaring bankruptcy, I may switch to RH |
| 08:32.15 | fiberchunks | or maybe gentoo, just for a goof |
| 08:32.39 | captain_proton | scanline: foodliness? |
| 08:33.38 | fiberchunks | argh, back's acting up -- must take meds |
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| 08:37.35 | scanline | bedtime! |
| 08:38.07 | Patlabor221 | ok that GDM greeter thing is oficaly KEWL |
| 08:38.18 | fiberchunks | nite scanline |
| 08:38.23 | Patlabor221 | see ya scan |
| 08:38.56 | Patlabor221 | http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gdm_greeter/GDM-Night-Elf-1.0.1-Shot.png |
| 08:39.00 | Patlabor221 | is now my login |
| 08:39.16 | fiberchunks | very pretty |
| 08:41.22 | Patlabor221 | http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gdm_greeter/GDM-penguin-Shot.png |
| 08:41.26 | Patlabor221 | is also funny |
| 08:41.57 | fiberchunks | that graphic used to have a subtitle 'bill ate tuxes rocket' |
| 08:42.38 | fiberchunks | ooooo, that reminds me -- the 'fuzzified' effect of things out of focus -- is that the domain of the Z buffer? |
| 08:43.45 | Patlabor221 | no that is some pixel magic :) |
| 08:43.57 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 08:44.02 | Patlabor221 | real depth of field requires real time bluring and stuff |
| 08:44.13 | Patlabor221 | usualy the domain of pixel shaders |
| 08:44.22 | Patlabor221 | tho you can do it with acumulation |
| 08:45.21 | fiberchunks | you're getting out of my depth by a far margin (not that I mind -- I just won't understand 7/8 of the stuff you say now) :) - but if you feel like explaining, and have nothing better to do, then by all means enlighten me :) |
| 08:46.46 | Patlabor221 | basicly it's a complex thing |
| 08:46.54 | Patlabor221 | you are simulationg a lens |
| 08:47.10 | Patlabor221 | in a pure math world there is no "focus" |
| 08:47.17 | Patlabor221 | just numeric positions |
| 08:47.21 | fiberchunks | right |
| 08:47.32 | Patlabor221 | we see focus because of how we see light |
| 08:47.42 | Patlabor221 | and send it thru curved glass |
| 08:48.47 | Patlabor221 | wonder where KDE keeps it's splash screen |
| 08:50.08 | fiberchunks | damnit, if sdl-config --cflags sayeth: -I/usr/include/SDL, and the app #includes <SDL.h>, then why is it giving me grief about not finding SDL.h (it is in /usr/include/SDL |
| 08:50.36 | Patlabor221 | then it needs to be <SDL/SDL.H> |
| 08:50.39 | Patlabor221 | that's where it is |
| 08:51.21 | fiberchunks | ah, but -I/usr/include/SDL should specify to the compiler to search that path for includes as well -- therefore, it shouldn't have to be SDL/SDL.h |
| 08:51.34 | Patlabor221 | one would think |
| 08:52.03 | Patlabor221 | but hears cap say it's cool |
| 08:52.31 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: you still around? |
| 09:00.42 | fiberchunks | good god, how can it not find -lGLU, if it finds -lGL |
| 09:08.35 | Patlabor221 | whooot, I'm now aquafied |
| 09:09.05 | fiberchunks | there, that problem solved |
| 09:09.19 | fiberchunks | apple aquafied |
| 09:09.26 | Patlabor221 | awww yeah |
| 09:09.33 | Patlabor221 | they do have a very slick look |
| 09:13.32 | fiberchunks | heh, not in leenox you don't ;) |
| 09:13.59 | Patlabor221 | sure I did, at one point had kdev working almost like VC |
| 09:18.23 | fiberchunks | if #include <glut.h> includes both gl.h and glu.h, then why would people still do 2 #includes ? |
| 09:18.59 | Patlabor221 | cus you may not use glut |
| 09:19.09 | Patlabor221 | and hapit proalbly |
| 09:24.40 | fiberchunks | meds kicking in -- more sleep necessary -- cya tomorrow Patlabor221 et al -- thanks again for the info :) |
| 09:25.21 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 09:25.24 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 09:35.41 | Patlabor221 | cap: why were you suprised one day when I used PNG files? |
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| 13:46.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | high score list on http://stats.bzflag.org doesnt work... |
| 14:10.48 | Chestal | tag |
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| 14:51.33 | Chestal | hmm, "some compilers can't handle references of temp return vars"; what's that |
| 14:54.41 | Chestal | more VC++ freakiness? |
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| 16:04.38 | bzdoug_ | fun |
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| 16:08.50 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 16:08.57 | bzdoug_ | I have 4 devices in my computer |
| 16:09.02 | bzdoug_ | stupid windows 98 |
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| 16:20.50 | sussudio | baconbits |
| 16:37.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | # |
| 16:37.49 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:50.49 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
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| 17:08.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 17:22.45 | stibnite | hey what is meant by "Tank Labels: |
| 17:22.47 | stibnite | " |
| 17:22.54 | stibnite | (the L toggle in config) |
| 17:26.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-) |
| 17:26.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | that |
| 17:26.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | when ure observ |
| 17:27.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | press "L" then it shows the tank names under the tanks |
| 17:28.25 | stibnite | yeah, i thought that might be it, but i couldn't get it to work. |
| 17:28.26 | stibnite | ty |
| 17:37.11 | stibnite | any way to get equivalent of -window with OSX version ? |
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| 17:49.18 | stibnite | no ideas about osx? |
| 17:49.28 | Secret_Hamster | do do it, is my idea |
| 17:49.53 | stibnite | hehe |
| 17:50.01 | stibnite | the question was: |
| 17:50.04 | stibnite | any way to get equivalent of -window with OSX version ? |
| 17:56.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 18:01.59 | Secret_Hamster | stibnite: asking the wrong person. I know nothing about macs |
| 18:02.18 | Secret_Hamster | except they cost alot and you don't look under the hood |
| 18:02.34 | stibnite | ok |
| 18:02.36 | stibnite | lol |
| 18:02.39 | stibnite | good point(s) |
| 18:04.12 | stibnite | very close now to a german translation |
| 18:05.39 | Secret_Hamster | translation of what? |
| 18:05.58 | sussudio | ~lart ducati |
| 18:06.16 | stibnite | bzflag to german |
| 18:06.43 | Secret_Hamster | uh, german explosions sound different? |
| 18:06.51 | stibnite | no the text |
| 18:06.56 | Secret_Hamster | oh |
| 18:06.59 | sussudio | das boom |
| 18:07.05 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 18:16.22 | Secret_Hamster | rofl |
| 18:18.47 | fiberchunks | turret = das spittentube |
| 18:19.08 | fiberchunks | afternoon, evening, morn all |
| 18:19.21 | Chestal | hi fiber |
| 18:19.22 | stibnite | hey fibah. you konw anything about osx? |
| 18:20.16 | sussudio | turret = spouting off obscenities, much like bzflag playing |
| 18:20.31 | fiberchunks | based on what, bsd kernel? |
| 18:21.23 | stibnite | mach kernel, but my problem is with cmdline options |
| 18:21.34 | fiberchunks | such as |
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| 18:22.46 | fiberchunks | stibnite: what cmdline options? |
| 18:23.22 | stibnite | can't get it into -window |
| 18:23.55 | fiberchunks | which, bzflag |
| 18:23.59 | stibnite | yessah |
| 18:24.16 | fiberchunks | are you also specifying a -geometry XxY switch with that? |
| 18:24.35 | stibnite | no. |
| 18:24.42 | fiberchunks | that may be your problem |
| 18:24.54 | stibnite | i tried it with geometry blah in the .bzflag file and that didn't work either. |
| 18:24.57 | Patlabor221 | you have to do both |
| 18:25.03 | fiberchunks | try this: $bzflag -window -geometry 800x600 |
| 18:25.14 | stibnite | is that specific to osx? |
| 18:25.19 | fiberchunks | like Patlabor221 said |
| 18:25.21 | fiberchunks | no |
| 18:25.22 | Patlabor221 | -window -geometry 3000x1000 is what I do often. |
| 18:25.24 | stibnite | plain 'ol -window works on linux/fbsd.. |
| 18:25.25 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 18:25.27 | Patlabor221 | it's all of them |
| 18:25.31 | fiberchunks | I have to do it that way myself |
| 18:25.42 | fiberchunks | on linux |
| 18:26.02 | stibnite | huh. |
| 18:26.14 | stibnite | freebsd requires no -geometry blah |
| 18:26.15 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:26.16 | Patlabor221 | every system I've used has to have both window and geo |
| 18:26.17 | stibnite | but i'll try it. :) |
| 18:26.37 | fiberchunks | ROFL |
| 18:26.58 | fiberchunks | 2 monitors? or just a 16:9 monitor |
| 18:27.02 | Patlabor221 | 2 |
| 18:27.05 | fiberchunks | sh |
| 18:27.08 | Patlabor221 | looking for a third now |
| 18:27.09 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 18:27.15 | fiberchunks | bah |
| 18:27.31 | bzdoug__ | http://www.g-news.ch/articles/nhp200nc/ |
| 18:27.40 | Patlabor221 | guy quit yesterday so it's time to start the looting |
| 18:28.06 | Patlabor221 | that's just bizare |
| 18:28.15 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 18:28.22 | fiberchunks | I remember seeing that a long time ago |
| 18:28.26 | bzdoug__ | I am gonna make a case out of plexiglass |
| 18:28.33 | fiberchunks | kinda hard to upgrade :) |
| 18:28.41 | fiberchunks | isn't plexi conductive? |
| 18:28.43 | bzdoug__ | fiberchunks: heh |
| 18:28.51 | bzdoug__ | fiberchunks: I dont think so... |
| 18:29.00 | bzdoug__ | but I am gonna put it up on risers anyway |
| 18:29.24 | fiberchunks | ooooo, I saw a clear case a while ago -- one minute -- lemme see if I can find it |
| 18:29.27 | Patlabor221 | use lexan |
| 18:29.32 | Patlabor221 | much easer to cut |
| 18:29.32 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 18:29.36 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:29.41 | Patlabor221 | plexi cracks |
| 18:29.45 | bzdoug__ | I was thinking of a 1x1x1' cube |
| 18:29.52 | Patlabor221 | been done before |
| 18:29.56 | Patlabor221 | there are plans on the net |
| 18:30.00 | fiberchunks | dig this (commercial though): http://www.clearcomputercase.com/ |
| 18:30.02 | Patlabor221 | or lucite |
| 18:30.10 | stibnite | apparenlty that does not work on osx. |
| 18:30.10 | fiberchunks | lexan! |
| 18:30.23 | fiberchunks | that's odd |
| 18:30.36 | Patlabor221 | yeah it's more flexible |
| 18:30.40 | Patlabor221 | won't crack |
| 18:31.58 | stibnite | and just because i was conceived in lexan doesn't mean i'm less of a person! |
| 18:32.15 | fiberchunks | saw a case mod from a guy who just submerged his entire system in mineral oil |
| 18:32.23 | Patlabor221 | ohh you mean all the cases by antec? |
| 18:32.30 | fiberchunks | and put an AC condensor on top of a styrofoam box |
| 18:32.54 | fiberchunks | dripping chilled mineral oil onto the system (it was totally conformally coated of course) |
| 18:33.15 | fiberchunks | (with the exception of the moving media (hd, cd, etc) |
| 18:33.32 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 18:34.09 | bzdoug_ | hmm? |
| 18:34.12 | bzdoug_ | what was that link again? |
| 18:34.19 | bzdoug_ | it BSODed on me |
| 18:34.26 | fiberchunks | http://www.clearcomputercase.com/ |
| 18:34.26 | fiberchunks | <Patlabor221> or lucite |
| 18:34.32 | fiberchunks | oops |
| 18:34.41 | bzdoug_ | hmm, I got that part about cracking |
| 18:34.57 | bzdoug_ | I was looking for plans for a computer that was all clear |
| 18:35.03 | bzdoug_ | I read it on slashdot once |
| 18:35.07 | bzdoug_ | but I cant find it yet |
| 18:35.14 | Patlabor221 | what do you do to your machine that makes it BSOD? |
| 18:35.17 | fiberchunks | use a glass cutting bit (kinda like a rounded triangle), and put the drill on uber low speed -- it doesn't drill, but melts the plext |
| 18:35.20 | Patlabor221 | you must have some crap in there |
| 18:35.27 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:35.32 | sussudio | Patlabor221: pr0n executables |
| 18:35.35 | Patlabor221 | and put gromets in ALL the holes |
| 18:35.36 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: went th that web site |
| 18:35.48 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: hmmm |
| 18:35.49 | Patlabor221 | realy lexan is much easer to work with |
| 18:35.56 | sussudio | BRITTNEE_SPEERS_DOG.EXE |
| 18:35.56 | Patlabor221 | tho you will have to get it thicker |
| 18:36.05 | fiberchunks | yup |
| 18:36.06 | sussudio | don't open those dog |
| 18:36.08 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:36.13 | fiberchunks | prob @ least 1/4" |
| 18:36.28 | fiberchunks | mebbe 3/8" would work |
| 18:37.16 | bzdoug_ | I was thinking like 5 1 foot pieces? |
| 18:37.25 | bzdoug_ | to make a cub |
| 18:37.26 | bzdoug_ | e |
| 18:37.28 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 18:37.29 | bzdoug_ | 6 |
| 18:37.32 | Patlabor221 | you need 6 |
| 18:37.35 | Patlabor221 | bakb |
| 18:37.42 | fiberchunks | check this out |
| 18:37.42 | bzdoug_ | forgot the base |
| 18:37.44 | fiberchunks | http://www.techangel.co.uk/forums/viewthread.php?tid=572 |
| 18:37.50 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:38.00 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: wow |
| 18:38.07 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: distilled I hope |
| 18:38.23 | fiberchunks | mineral oil |
| 18:38.24 | bzdoug_ | I have a clear pc made by the crazy canadians at www.clearpc.co.uk. I think I'll waterproof it, fill it with oil and oil breathing fish and have a tropical (oil spill) fish tank. I'm serious. Working out the feasibility as we speak. I'll run some tests and let you know. |
| 18:38.35 | bzdoug_ | oil breathing fish |
| 18:38.37 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 18:39.09 | sussudio | i have a clear pc...... it's called "not putting the lid back on" |
| 18:39.19 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: humph |
| 18:39.22 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 18:39.41 | bzdoug_ | cant wait for clear motherboards |
| 18:39.41 | sussudio | i had someone complaining about it....appearently it kinda messed up his reception on his illegal HAM crap |
| 18:39.46 | bzdoug_ | and processors |
| 18:39.52 | bzdoug_ | and fans and stuff |
| 18:39.58 | bzdoug_ | sussudio: hmm |
| 18:40.27 | fiberchunks | ah, radio interference -- fun |
| 18:40.36 | sussudio | which was fine by me really, i could hear him talking over my amplifier |
| 18:40.53 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 18:41.23 | sussudio | i'm guessing he was using a megawatt or something |
| 18:42.00 | fiberchunks | what kind of antenna? |
| 18:42.10 | sussudio | 2 tall ones |
| 18:42.12 | bzdoug_ | wire |
| 18:42.20 | fiberchunks | I could jam just about anything given a proper antenna (with low power) |
| 18:42.27 | fiberchunks | dipoles? |
| 18:42.33 | bzdoug_ | I would love to see someone touch a 1 megawatt radio antenna wire |
| 18:43.02 | sussudio | that damn thing made a lightbulb glow when i held it near |
| 18:43.15 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 18:44.54 | fiberchunks | you get a nice headache where I work if you walk into the 'danger zone' while the system is transmitting -- great fun -- I'll prob have tumors in 5 years |
| 18:44.55 | Patlabor221 | hmmm seems to piss off linux when you use a USB KVM while it's installing |
| 18:45.20 | fiberchunks | kvms and linux are rather touch and go anyway |
| 18:45.33 | fiberchunks | I've got a belking 4 port that seems to work rather nicely |
| 18:45.39 | fiberchunks | belkin, that is |
| 18:46.25 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: indeed |
| 18:46.33 | Patlabor221 | OmniView USB KVM? that's what I have here |
| 18:46.54 | fiberchunks | no, I've got the non-usb flavor of the omniview |
| 18:47.03 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 18:47.10 | Patlabor221 | seems blurry at 1600x1200 |
| 18:47.17 | fiberchunks | may be |
| 18:47.41 | sussudio | in scheveningen they have high power longwave (i think) antenna arrays, it keeps changing the channel on people's tv's |
| 18:48.11 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 18:49.09 | fiberchunks | rf interference is the primary reason I won't get a wireless anything |
| 18:49.14 | fiberchunks | don't need the hassle |
| 18:49.22 | Patlabor221 | it's got serious timing issues at high res |
| 18:52.15 | fiberchunks | hrmph, first bzflag soft lock in i don't know how many months -- wonder why |
| 18:53.37 | *** join/#bzflag mysticenigma (trilluser@216.175.30.57) |
| 18:58.34 | Patlabor221 | I just love that warcarft3 greeter screen |
| 18:59.41 | *** join/#bzflag quol (~18cb0b34@203.194.240.139) |
| 19:02.08 | *** join/#bzflag Quol (~QuolSimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:02.22 | [TeA|TrEE] | hey Quol |
| 19:02.29 | Quol | hey T |
| 19:02.31 | bzdoug_ | aha |
| 19:02.32 | bzdoug_ | found it |
| 19:02.34 | Quol | how are ya? |
| 19:02.34 | bzdoug_ | http://www.hitechmods.com/mods/The_Ice_Cube/The_Ice_Cube.shtml |
| 19:04.06 | Patlabor221 | that looks soo amature doug |
| 19:04.23 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 19:05.05 | Patlabor221 | looks like homemade crap |
| 19:05.15 | Patlabor221 | are you ever gonn take your case anywhere. |
| 19:05.16 | bzdoug_ | it is |
| 19:05.26 | bzdoug_ | and it wont be that wierd |
| 19:05.30 | bzdoug_ | its just gonna be simple |
| 19:05.49 | bzdoug_ | cube, with everything screwed down tighty |
| 19:06.01 | bzdoug_ | or I could just go with rubbermade |
| 19:15.38 | Patlabor221 | ohh no the munchkins have hit sourceforge again *sigh* |
| 19:15.49 | stibnite | munchkins! |
| 19:15.52 | stibnite | OH NO |
| 19:16.07 | *** join/#bzflag }Death2003{ (~50e13a40@203.194.240.139) |
| 19:16.49 | }Death2003{ | help needed |
| 19:17.09 | }Death2003{ | how do i view my made map on bzlfag? |
| 19:18.22 | Patlabor221 | see |
| 19:19.40 | }Death2003{ | how |
| 19:29.20 | bzdoug_ | ok doke |
| 19:29.37 | bzdoug_ | I am gonna put my motherboard in a Centris 610 case |
| 19:29.39 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:29.43 | *** part/#bzflag mysticenigma (trilluser@216.175.30.57) |
| 19:30.01 | bzdoug_ | its allmost the right size |
| 19:30.42 | bzdoug_ | and these apples are nearly built to withstand a nuke, its so sheilded |
| 19:32.43 | Patlabor221 | doug the only reason they have the shelding is because they are made of plastic, and the FCC has rules about RF emisions |
| 19:32.48 | Patlabor221 | realy thoe are cheap ass casses |
| 19:33.04 | bzdoug_ | plasic? |
| 19:33.06 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 19:33.11 | bzdoug_ | the whole thing is metel |
| 19:33.16 | bzdoug_ | its heavy |
| 19:33.20 | sussudio | ~spell metel |
| 19:33.23 | | possible spellings for metel: metal motel meetly mettle Martel me tel me-tel met el met-el Mattel mete mutely meter betel meted metes Madel medal model Merle |
| 19:33.23 | Quol | see you guys later.. |
| 19:33.27 | bzdoug_ | the plasic part is the lid part |
| 19:33.29 | Quol | going to go play BZ for a while... |
| 19:33.31 | Patlabor221 | not the fornt |
| 19:33.41 | *** part/#bzflag Quol (~QuolSimo@modemcable052.11-203-24.mtl.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 19:33.41 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 19:33.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah the centris did have a metal outer for the top and sides |
| 19:33.49 | bzdoug_ | its metal too |
| 19:33.51 | Patlabor221 | good luck fiting a PS in there tho |
| 19:33.55 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:33.56 | Patlabor221 | no, it's plastic |
| 19:33.57 | bzdoug_ | I shall try |
| 19:33.58 | Patlabor221 | thick pasltic |
| 19:34.02 | bzdoug_ | its metal! |
| 19:34.07 | bzdoug_ | I am looking right at it |
| 19:34.24 | bzdoug_ | exept for the holes for drives and stuff, its all metal |
| 19:34.54 | bzdoug_ | hmm, powersupply is rated for 86 watts |
| 19:34.59 | bzdoug_ | interesting |
| 19:35.57 | bzdoug_ | bah, the powerbutton is a mechanical one |
| 19:36.00 | Patlabor221 | 610 is pizza box |
| 19:36.11 | Patlabor221 | and not tall enough for cards |
| 19:36.18 | Patlabor221 | and the frame is metal |
| 19:36.25 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 19:36.27 | Patlabor221 | but the top is plastic with tin crap on it |
| 19:36.37 | bzdoug_ | but I can get a PCI right angle thingy |
| 19:36.45 | bzdoug_ | and the mobo has video/ethernet/sound |
| 19:36.49 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: ah |
| 19:36.54 | Patlabor221 | and you will not fit a large PS in there |
| 19:37.19 | bzdoug_ | mine s a small one |
| 19:37.24 | bzdoug_ | not mini-ATI size |
| 19:37.26 | bzdoug_ | but small |
| 19:37.29 | bzdoug_ | enuf |
| 19:37.34 | sussudio | quote of the day: "<bzdoug_> mine s a small one" |
| 19:38.49 | bzdoug_ | wow, sussudio can copy and paste |
| 19:39.18 | sussudio | unlike you, you just eat paste |
| 19:39.28 | Patlabor221 | I think that need to go into the topic |
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| 19:39.55 | bzdoug_ | ~kill |
| 19:39.59 | | ACTION kills all the morons |
| 19:40.15 | bzdoug_ | hmm, the motherboard is held up by 2 screws |
| 19:40.17 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 19:41.17 | bzdoug_ | and the mobo is a liiiittle too long |
| 19:41.36 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221_ (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 19:42.15 | bzdoug_ | and I will need to get a smaller one |
| 19:42.25 | Patlabor221 | are you that bored? |
| 19:42.30 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 19:42.39 | Patlabor221 | testing net connect on leenox machine |
| 19:42.40 | sussudio | <bzdoug_> mine s a small one <bzdoug_> and I will need to get a smaller one |
| 19:42.59 | bzdoug_ | wow, sussudio is pasting again |
| 19:52.13 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 19:52.27 | bzdoug_ | I can have the hard drive and floppy just slide in and out |
| 19:52.32 | bzdoug_ | on them trays in here |
| 19:52.47 | bzdoug_ | cool, but the cdrom wont fit, so there ainy gonna be a floppy drive |
| 19:55.37 | sussudio | <bzdoug_> mine s a small one <bzdoug_> and I will need to get a smaller one * bzdoug_ trots off to find the dremel |
| 19:58.25 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E955E6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:07.17 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 20:07.57 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/bzflag.html |
| 20:10.08 | Patlabor221 | I am THE MAN :) |
| 20:10.13 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 20:11.09 | sussudio | hmm must try this with a full log |
| 20:11.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah seems to be a small sample |
| 20:11.53 | sussudio | it's like 3 months |
| 20:12.23 | Patlabor221 | realy wow |
| 20:13.08 | stibnite | Individual and aggregate team scores are tallied. |
| 20:13.19 | stibnite | can we get rid of that sentence in the german translation? |
| 20:15.20 | sussudio | schweinhundstrudel? |
| 20:15.26 | stibnite | lol |
| 20:15.35 | stibnite | sussudio: what do you think? |
| 20:15.53 | sussudio | it's probably "Dithering" translated into German |
| 20:15.58 | fiberchunks | lol, apple has no idea what real 'nuclear hardening' is --> and these apples are nearly built to withstand a nuke, its so sheilded |
| 20:16.17 | stibnite | lol |
| 20:16.21 | fiberchunks | or, if you're george bush - nucuhlar |
| 20:16.51 | stibnite | fiberchunks: that's what happens if you drink the water in Tom's River New Jersey, and then watch porn. |
| 20:17.13 | fiberchunks | you get hardened? (does pfizer know about this?) ;) |
| 20:17.15 | sussudio | doug doesnt live in new jersey |
| 20:17.35 | stibnite | hahaha |
| 20:18.03 | fiberchunks | what is a dog's nose strudel anyway? |
| 20:18.13 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor2211 (~jeffm@208.48.199.214) |
| 20:18.50 | sussudio | dog's nose? |
| 20:19.13 | fiberchunks | schwein hund |
| 20:19.24 | fiberchunks | pig's nost |
| 20:19.29 | fiberchunks | nose |
| 20:19.35 | sussudio | hund = dog |
| 20:19.39 | fiberchunks | yah |
| 20:19.52 | fiberchunks | hundnase? |
| 20:19.59 | sussudio | :-| |
| 20:20.54 | Chestal | fibger: should I just followup to the two ducati dummy postings inthe serevr forum? |
| 20:21.10 | fiberchunks | pig dog :) |
| 20:21.41 | fiberchunks | Chestal: if you'd like, or create new ones and I'll delete the others -- those were really merely formatting suggestions |
| 20:21.50 | fiberchunks | and to see how it'd turn out |
| 20:22.23 | sussudio | doesnt ibot keep a log somewhere? |
| 20:22.32 | fiberchunks | yah -- bzflag.org |
| 20:22.56 | Chestal | ~logs |
| 20:23.01 | | http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ |
| 20:24.09 | sussudio | hmm its per day |
| 20:25.36 | sussudio | and in html |
| 20:26.10 | sussudio | ohwell |
| 20:27.16 | fiberchunks | Patlabor2211: you around? |
| 20:27.24 | *** join/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18bcd01b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 20:27.38 | Patlabor2211 | ya |
| 20:27.59 | Chestal | hi lancer |
| 20:28.07 | freelancer | ni chestal |
| 20:28.11 | freelancer | hi |
| 20:28.23 | fiberchunks | when you used anjuta -- how did you define a new GL project (or did you) |
| 20:28.23 | freelancer | where is proton |
| 20:28.45 | Patlabor2211 | what do you mean? |
| 20:29.09 | scanline | freelancer: asleepish |
| 20:29.11 | fiberchunks | I'm trying to figure out which project type to select when the initial dialog box opens up -- but I'm not sure which one |
| 20:29.18 | freelancer | i would like to play some matches but he is never availabke |
| 20:29.27 | Patlabor2211 | what are your choices? |
| 20:30.19 | fiberchunks | generic, gtk, gnome, glademm, bonobo, libglade, wxwindows, gtk2.0, gnome2, gnome2 bonobo, libglade2, gtkmm2, gnomemm2, xlib, x dock app |
| 20:30.29 | Patlabor2211 | are you using SDL? |
| 20:30.37 | fiberchunks | going to try, yes |
| 20:30.40 | Patlabor2211 | generic |
| 20:30.45 | scanline | generic |
| 20:30.47 | scanline | oops |
| 20:30.48 | fiberchunks | ah, k, thx |
| 20:30.52 | Patlabor2211 | sure |
| 20:31.05 | freelancer | if proton shows up tell him i'll be on 5156 tnxs |
| 20:31.43 | fiberchunks | my ghod, that produces a lot of stuff :\ |
| 20:37.35 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE]_ (~Nicholas@pD9E955E6.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:39.22 | stibnite | fiber i have a question, you around? |
| 20:39.29 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 20:40.03 | stibnite | about teleporters and ctf |
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| 20:40.35 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 20:43.04 | *** join/#bzflag TRBERK (~0403bbb1@203.194.240.139) |
| 20:43.35 | TRBERK | Is anyone good with the BZFLAG SERVER GUI?? |
| 20:44.25 | Chestal | never used it, but it should be easy to use I assume, lest you wouldn't need a GUI :-) |
| 20:45.02 | TRBERK | Well I have A server up but I'm not sure it will let peolpe join |
| 20:45.12 | *** join/#bzflag stibnite (~nate@65.113.102.13) |
| 20:45.17 | stibnite | what does THIS button do? |
| 20:45.28 | stibnite | that really sucked. |
| 20:45.37 | stibnite | i was connected to 9 networks and accidentally /quit |
| 20:45.46 | stibnite | this is going to take a LONG time to patch up. |
| 20:46.00 | Chestal | 9 networks? wow |
| 20:46.20 | Patlabor2211 | did your server do a -public? |
| 20:46.47 | TRBERK | Well I thgink it is but I'm not sure to be honest |
| 20:46.57 | Patlabor2211 | does it show up in the list? |
| 20:47.11 | TRBERK | It's listed in the server list |
| 20:47.18 | TRBERK | Yes |
| 20:47.45 | Patlabor2211 | what is it called? |
| 20:47.56 | TRBERK | Should I be able to pick it in the list and join it |
| 20:48.15 | stibnite | yeah 9 networks. it's why it always takes me so long to answer any question. |
| 20:48.17 | Patlabor2211 | yes |
| 20:48.45 | TRBERK | TRBERKS |
| 20:49.17 | Patlabor2211 | nope don't see it |
| 20:49.37 | TRBERK | Why can I see it and no one else |
| 20:49.47 | Patlabor2211 | cus you are local |
| 20:49.55 | Patlabor2211 | on the same net as it |
| 20:50.10 | Patlabor2211 | and it's not published to the list serv, or blocked from the outside |
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| 20:50.28 | TRBERK | I see do you mind helping me with it |
| 20:51.09 | Patlabor2211 | are you on a DSL router or dialup or anything like that? |
| 20:51.19 | TRBERK | DSL |
| 20:51.31 | Patlabor2211 | do you have a static IP? |
| 20:51.44 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | ~ducatictf |
| 20:51.51 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | ? |
| 20:51.53 | TRBERK | No |
| 20:51.55 | Patlabor2211 | and are you using something like a router to share the connection? |
| 20:51.58 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | ~ducatictf |
| 20:52.11 | TRBERK | No I'm not running a router |
| 20:52.13 | TRBERK | No I'm not running a router' |
| 20:52.17 | Patlabor2211 | ok |
| 20:52.39 | Patlabor2211 | but without a static IP, running a public server is kinda silly since you will change IPs all the time |
| 20:52.52 | Patlabor2211 | what is the command line you have for the server? |
| 20:53.03 | TRBERK | Oh I'm sorry yes I have a static Ip |
| 20:53.59 | TRBERK | are you talking about server discription |
| 20:54.16 | Patlabor2211 | no the command line options that are sent to the server to run it |
| 20:54.35 | TRBERK | I'm looking at the server tab of the server GUi |
| 20:54.38 | Patlabor2211 | like -public "my server wheeee" -ms 10 |
| 20:54.43 | Patlabor2211 | ick |
| 20:55.02 | Patlabor2211 | someone made a gui for that thing? |
| 20:55.10 | Patlabor2211 | on what OS? |
| 20:55.11 | TRBERK | yes |
| 20:55.12 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | ~ducatictf |
| 20:55.18 | TRBERK | XP pro |
| 20:55.19 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | cool |
| 20:55.23 | stibnite | Free-style == free-for-all ? |
| 20:55.30 | stibnite | (talking about the help text) |
| 20:55.34 | Patlabor2211 | ohh must be the VB one |
| 20:55.50 | Patlabor2211 | is there an option for public? |
| 20:55.58 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 20:56.45 | TRBERK | no but there is a place for ping times to live Server visibility |
| 20:56.55 | [TeA|TrEE]_ | hey ho bzgirl |
| 20:56.59 | Patlabor2211 | that don;'t mean much |
| 20:57.11 | Patlabor2211 | it's easer to just start it with the command line |
| 20:57.22 | Chestal | TRBEREK: does the GUI startthe server itself or merely give you the option string or cerate an option file or a batch file to run it? |
| 20:57.30 | Patlabor2211 | I dono |
| 20:57.54 | TRBERK | Starts with run button |
| 20:57.55 | bzgirl | hi Tea |
| 20:58.09 | Patlabor2211 | must call spawn or exec |
| 20:58.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal : kann das sein das alles abgestürtzr ist |
| 20:58.51 | Patlabor2211 | where did you get this thing? |
| 20:58.53 | TRBERK | uses bzfs.exe |
| 20:58.53 | [TeA|TrEE] | bzw ducati |
| 20:58.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:59.07 | [TeA|TrEE] | oh |
| 20:59.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | doch nedM) |
| 20:59.27 | TRBERK | Off of Shellshock site |
| 21:00.18 | Chestal | tea: ducati was simply full |
| 21:00.38 | Chestal | TRBERK: well, hard to debug for us when we don't know which options the server got startet with and cannot see its output |
| 21:00.54 | Chestal | and we never tried the GUI ourselved |
| 21:00.54 | Patlabor2211 | I'm geting it now, let me see what they made. |
| 21:01.18 | TRBERK | Yes I understand so the best way is Command prompt ?? |
| 21:01.35 | Patlabor2211 | the windows installer comes with premade shortcuts that show the public server options |
| 21:02.11 | TRBERK | ok I will try something else Thanks for your help |
| 21:03.05 | Patlabor2211 | ohh go to the BZFLAG menu and chose "view full command line" |
| 21:03.06 | bzdoug_ | sheesh, apple should have gotten into the making tanks |
| 21:03.08 | Patlabor2211 | and show us |
| 21:03.24 | Patlabor2211 | doug you have never seen an antec case have you? |
| 21:03.40 | Patlabor2211 | I would use it as cover in a firefight. |
| 21:05.23 | Patlabor2211 | well guess he didn't want help |
| 21:05.53 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:06.20 | Patlabor2211 | can anyone tell me how to fix some dir permisions that I screwed up on linux? |
| 21:07.34 | sussudio | man chmod man chown |
| 21:11.25 | bzgirl | what dir? |
| 21:11.47 | Patlabor2211 | coo, thanks didn't know the commands... lets see if that worked the way I think it did |
| 21:18.15 | Patlabor2211 | ohh I screwed up my .kde dir in my acount |
| 21:18.25 | Patlabor2211 | cus I made some of the dirs as root |
| 21:18.31 | Patlabor2211 | so I had to change there owner |
| 21:18.34 | Patlabor2211 | and it's all good |
| 21:29.45 | Patlabor2211 | ha I can't restart X cus this apple keyboard has no backspace key |
| 21:31.51 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 21:31.58 | bzdoug_ | no backspace? |
| 21:32.12 | bzdoug_ | its got delete.... |
| 21:32.13 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:32.24 | Patlabor2211 | yeah 2 of those |
| 21:32.29 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:32.34 | bzdoug_ | dumb |
| 21:32.58 | Patlabor2211 | I wish there was a way I could show you the coolness that is this login screen |
| 21:33.07 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 21:33.12 | bzdoug_ | digital camera? |
| 21:33.15 | bzdoug_ | webcam? |
| 21:33.16 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 21:33.52 | Patlabor2211 | check webcam |
| 21:34.43 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 21:35.37 | bzdoug_ | they stick out soooo far. |
| 21:35.47 | bzdoug_ | laptop drives are no bigger than the cdrom |
| 21:35.55 | Patlabor2211 | some are shorter then others |
| 21:36.08 | Patlabor2211 | and lapotop drive break sooner |
| 21:36.10 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:36.21 | bzdoug_ | but I ahve like 6 of them, and they are all long |
| 21:36.26 | bzdoug_ | hard drives are short |
| 21:37.03 | bzdoug_ | cuz right now the cdrom will hit the ram in the case |
| 21:37.23 | bzdoug_ | I need to remove the floppy, enlarge the hole, and plop it in that hole |
| 21:37.44 | Patlabor2211 | get a shorter CD |
| 21:37.53 | bzdoug_ | from.... |
| 21:38.07 | Patlabor2211 | where ever it is you get that crap hardware |
| 21:38.14 | bzdoug_ | my desk? |
| 21:38.22 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 21:38.27 | bzdoug_ | let me make another check |
| 21:39.27 | sussudio | <bzdoug_> mine s a small one <bzdoug_> and I will need to get a smaller one * bzdoug_ trots off to find the dremel <bzdoug_> I need to remove the floppy, enlarge the hole, and plop it in that hole |
| 21:40.38 | bzdoug_ | need to get a power switch too |
| 21:41.11 | sussudio | so you're writing a "Casemodding HOW-NOT-TO"? |
| 21:42.23 | bzdoug_ | hmmm, amazing how much this metal can stretch |
| 21:45.23 | fiberchunks | Patlabor2211: you still here? |
| 21:45.30 | Patlabor2211 | Yes |
| 21:45.41 | Patlabor221 | hows that |
| 21:45.42 | fiberchunks | whassup with your sys -- was playing |
| 21:46.50 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 21:47.01 | bzdoug_ | these are the cheapest plyers I have ever seen |
| 21:47.21 | sussudio | you'll need them for your small one |
| 21:47.55 | Patlabor221 | ouch man |
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| 21:53.46 | bzdoug_ | anyone need an apple floppy drive? |
| 21:54.04 | sussudio | how about a banana floppy drive |
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| 21:55.18 | *** part/#bzflag nikt (nikt@nikt.org) |
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| 22:05.52 | Patlabor221 | by the goddess I've atualy installed linux drivers with out a problem, this must be a holy day. |
| 22:06.26 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 22:07.00 | sussudio | 'linux drivers'? |
| 22:08.01 | Patlabor221 | sorry linux nvidia drivers |
| 22:08.34 | sussudio | eek |
| 22:08.38 | sussudio | ~lart nvidia |
| 22:09.05 | Patlabor221 | well the install on them is better then that thar ATI one |
| 22:09.10 | Patlabor221 | and man do those drivers suck |
| 22:10.08 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:11.52 | Patlabor221 | masive artifacts with there latest ones |
| 22:12.03 | Patlabor221 | got a 25% speed increase by downdating the 9700 |
| 22:12.11 | fiberchunks | who, ATI, or nvidia |
| 22:12.21 | fiberchunks | ah, ATI |
| 22:12.23 | bzdoug_ | into |
| 22:13.00 | Patlabor221 | ati |
| 22:15.41 | sussudio | ~pig nvidia |
| 22:15.46 | | nvidia is 44% pig! |
| 22:16.08 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: heh |
| 22:16.23 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: cygwin or what? |
| 22:17.34 | scanline | ~sud |
| 22:17.35 | | shut up doug |
| 22:20.40 | Patlabor221 | I dono, don't have enough exp with X stuff to know, fibers helping me get web services up now |
| 22:21.16 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:21.25 | bzdoug_ | cygwin is the only free one that works |
| 22:21.37 | bzdoug_ | other than xfree/win32 |
| 22:21.42 | bzdoug_ | but that dont work very well |
| 22:24.19 | Patlabor221 | well try it |
| 22:24.28 | Patlabor221 | web2.bakadigital.com |
| 22:24.44 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 22:24.48 | bzdoug_ | I dont see anything |
| 22:24.52 | bzdoug_ | is that http? |
| 22:25.00 | Patlabor221 | nevermind |
| 22:25.13 | bzdoug_ | X11 needs SSH access |
| 22:25.20 | Patlabor221 | I have SSH |
| 22:25.29 | bzdoug_ | you got a username? |
| 22:25.40 | Patlabor221 | DougLa |
| 22:25.48 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 22:25.49 | bzdoug_ | pass? |
| 22:25.53 | Patlabor221 | assclown |
| 22:25.59 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:27.29 | bzdoug_ | oh good |
| 22:27.56 | bzdoug_ | got kde installed? |
| 22:28.23 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 22:28.47 | bzdoug_ | yay |
| 22:28.57 | bzdoug_ | it be starting kde |
| 22:29.04 | bzdoug_ | even though I dint see your login |
| 22:29.10 | Patlabor221 | did you get the kewl login? |
| 22:29.15 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 22:29.20 | Patlabor221 | poo |
| 22:29.23 | bzdoug_ | I logged in through SSH |
| 22:29.30 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he's already logged in, no reason to use KDM |
| 22:29.34 | captain_proton | or GDM |
| 22:29.37 | captain_proton | or whatever it is you're using |
| 22:29.39 | captain_proton | XDM! |
| 22:29.39 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: how would I use it? |
| 22:29.41 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:29.49 | Patlabor221 | get out then doug so fiber can do his work |
| 22:29.51 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: very carefully |
| 22:29.52 | Patlabor221 | how goes it cap? |
| 22:29.58 | captain_proton | it goes good |
| 22:29.58 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: bah |
| 22:30.01 | captain_proton | slept about 12 hrs |
| 22:30.05 | bzdoug_ | hold on, still starting |
| 22:30.15 | Patlabor221 | oooo that's nice, I love it when I can do that |
| 22:30.15 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 22:30.17 | bzdoug_ | impressive lag |
| 22:30.31 | captain_proton | just short of a scanline "short nap" |
| 22:30.36 | Patlabor221 | I'm uploading like 680 meg porn site on the same connection |
| 22:30.44 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:30.46 | bzdoug_ | explains |
| 22:31.19 | Patlabor221 | should be done soon |
| 22:31.25 | bzdoug_ | should |
| 22:31.26 | scanline | uploading? |
| 22:31.30 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 22:31.36 | scanline | ha |
| 22:31.37 | Patlabor221 | and yes |
| 22:31.54 | Patlabor221 | sad isn't it |
| 22:32.04 | scanline | take the pictures yourself? |
| 22:32.08 | Patlabor221 | ohh no |
| 22:32.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 22:32.39 | Patlabor221 | at job #2 the boss's wife has a little adult photo site thingy |
| 22:32.43 | captain_proton | THIS IS A BETA VERSION |
| 22:32.56 | Patlabor221 | and the were gonna upload the 680 meg thing on a DSL |
| 22:33.07 | Patlabor221 | and I told them they were on crak |
| 22:33.13 | Patlabor221 | so I'm doing it here on the T1 |
| 22:33.21 | Patlabor221 | bit faster on the upsteam |
| 22:34.29 | Patlabor221 | cap you do have to see the login screen,it's realy well done |
| 22:34.57 | scanline | take a screenshot |
| 22:35.05 | Patlabor221 | how can I take one? |
| 22:35.24 | captain_proton | from the console: export DISPLAY=:0; import -window root screenshot.jpg |
| 22:35.39 | bzdoug_ | hah, thats slick |
| 22:35.48 | bzdoug_ | why not use Prnt Scrn |
| 22:35.49 | captain_proton | what is slick? |
| 22:35.50 | scanline | might have to add a delay in that and swap back to X for it to capture.. dunno |
| 22:35.59 | Patlabor221 | do what now? |
| 22:36.07 | Patlabor221 | I'm at the gdm now |
| 22:36.14 | scanline | CTRL-ALT-F1 |
| 22:36.23 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 22:36.23 | *** join/#bzflag bzdouggg (~DougLa@208.48.199.215) |
| 22:36.29 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
| 22:36.43 | bzdoug_ | still waiting for the window to pop up |
| 22:36.58 | stibnite | hey can i get a developer who knows the texturing stuff really well to come answer some questions for a guy who is doing a german translation for bzflag? |
| 22:37.19 | stibnite | well, actually a cursory understanding will do |
| 22:37.30 | bzdoug_ | stibnite: who would be that person that is doing the german translation |
| 22:37.36 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 22:37.39 | stibnite | my friend D`Espice |
| 22:37.43 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:37.50 | stibnite | i'm answering all the questions i can |
| 22:37.58 | stibnite | but i don't know everything about the game. :\ |
| 22:38.02 | Patlabor221 | ok scan I did that line |
| 22:38.03 | stibnite | i'm trying though! |
| 22:38.09 | Patlabor221 | what does it do? |
| 22:38.21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: takes a screenshot |
| 22:38.40 | Patlabor221 | how do I get back to X |
| 22:39.41 | captain_proton | ctrl+alt+f7 |
| 22:39.43 | sussudio | ctrl-alt-f7 :-P |
| 22:40.21 | Patlabor221 | coo |
| 22:40.23 | bzdoug_ | ctrl-alt-f7 |
| 22:41.13 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 22:41.18 | | shut up doug |
| 22:41.19 | Patlabor221 | where did it put it? |
| 22:41.28 | Patlabor221 | root? |
| 22:41.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: whatever directory you were in when you executed the command |
| 22:43.34 | Patlabor221 | THE TUBE IS CIVILISATION!!!!!!! |
| 22:43.49 | bzdoug_ | the tube? |
| 22:43.54 | sussudio | yes |
| 22:43.57 | Patlabor221 | THE Tube |
| 22:43.57 | sussudio | 'the' tube |
| 22:44.00 | Patlabor221 | get it right |
| 22:44.04 | bzdoug_ | the tube is the thing that transports people intently? |
| 22:44.07 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:44.10 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:44.11 | bzdoug_ | ~spell inteny |
| 22:44.12 | | possible spellings for inteny: intern intent intend intone Antony intoner internee indent intense interns anteing antenna inter Intel Antin Anton INTERNET Internet |
| 22:44.26 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: oh? |
| 22:45.16 | Patlabor221 | use the interweb |
| 22:45.21 | Patlabor221 | and look for cardboard tupe samuraii |
| 22:45.41 | bzdoug_ | anton! |
| 22:45.52 | sussudio | jughead more like it |
| 22:47.02 | bzdoug_ | hmm some superglue... |
| 22:47.08 | bzdoug_ | presto, a power switch |
| 22:47.09 | Patlabor221 | cap: I got a connection to ;0.0; refused by server |
| 22:47.33 | Patlabor221 | then no protocoll specified |
| 22:47.39 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: you using SSH? |
| 22:47.46 | Patlabor221 | doug shut up |
| 22:47.55 | bzdoug_ | ... |
| 22:48.10 | Patlabor221 | or all call you your password |
| 22:48.32 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:48.45 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: what user were you? |
| 22:48.52 | Patlabor221 | root |
| 22:49.20 | captain_proton | hm |
| 22:49.21 | captain_proton | as root: |
| 22:49.24 | captain_proton | ps afxu |grep X |
| 22:49.28 | *** join/#bzflag freelancer (~luis@ool-18bcd01b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:51.08 | *** join/#bzflag GGZ (~ggz@too-56k-084.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:51.29 | Patlabor221 | root 19421 5.3 2.8 276276 10696 ? S<l 14:49 0:02 \_ /usr/X11R |
| 22:52.08 | captain_proton | hrmph |
| 22:52.13 | captain_proton | ps afxu |grep gdm |
| 22:52.41 | Patlabor221 | there are like 3 of them |
| 22:52.52 | Patlabor221 | 2 as root and one as gdm |
| 22:53.12 | *** part/#bzflag GGZ (~ggz@too-56k-084.tpgi.com.au) |
| 22:53.27 | captain_proton | try suing to gdm and then running that line again |
| 22:54.37 | Patlabor221 | how do you su to someone other then root? |
| 22:54.45 | fiberchunks | su <user> |
| 22:54.51 | Patlabor221 | account not avail |
| 22:55.11 | captain_proton | grep gdm /etc/passwd |
| 22:55.45 | Patlabor221 | says some stuff then nologin |
| 22:56.11 | captain_proton | can you paste the line? |
| 22:56.16 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:56.21 | Patlabor221 | IRC is on win |
| 22:56.44 | Patlabor221 | gdm:x:42:42:::/var/gdm:/sbin/nologin |
| 22:56.46 | Patlabor221 | there |
| 22:56.54 | Patlabor221 | onn not 3: |
| 22:56.57 | Patlabor221 | just 2: |
| 22:57.03 | Patlabor221 | after the second 42 |
| 22:57.54 | Patlabor221 | is there a way to remote into a machine and see the GDM? |
| 22:58.00 | Patlabor221 | or is SSH the only way? |
| 22:58.18 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not really "remote" |
| 22:58.23 | scanline | xhost +root |
| 22:58.32 | Patlabor221 | what that do? |
| 22:58.41 | captain_proton | you can set up local X-terminals that run gdm off the box |
| 22:58.44 | bzdoug_ | xhost? |
| 22:58.51 | *** join/#bzflag michaelh20 (Mouse@179-65.dynamic.visi.com) |
| 22:58.59 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 22:59.04 | | shut up doug |
| 22:59.08 | Patlabor221 | same errors |
| 22:59.19 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: did you do the su as root? |
| 22:59.24 | captain_proton | (did you do the import as root?) |
| 22:59.28 | Patlabor221 | I'm loged in as root |
| 22:59.34 | captain_proton | hrm |
| 22:59.45 | Patlabor221 | n |
| 22:59.53 | michaelh20 | nwroorg |
| 23:00.16 | Patlabor221 | let me just see if I can find a screenshot of it from where I got it |
| 23:00.54 | Patlabor221 | http://art.gnome.org/images/thumbnails/gdm_greeter/GDM-Night-Elf-1.0.1-Shot.png |
| 23:00.54 | bzdoug_ | only authorized clients can connect |
| 23:01.30 | bzdoug_ | bah, it needs a hostname |
| 23:01.35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: interesting |
| 23:01.36 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you sould be autorised? |
| 23:01.42 | Patlabor221 | looks relay good when large. |
| 23:02.06 | bzdoug_ | hmm? I have a username, that should be enuf, right? |
| 23:02.15 | Patlabor221 | for what? |
| 23:02.18 | captain_proton | and the finns have started taking over the world |
| 23:02.21 | bzdoug_ | xhost... :P |
| 23:02.30 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 23:02.31 | | shut up doug |
| 23:02.35 | Patlabor221 | don't go futzing with the macine |
| 23:02.40 | Patlabor221 | or I'll pull the acct |
| 23:02.52 | Patlabor221 | whooot |
| 23:02.58 | Patlabor221 | one down |
| 23:03.01 | bzdoug_ | hmmm |
| 23:03.09 | Patlabor221 | damn it's a trick |
| 23:03.13 | Patlabor221 | get an axe |
| 23:03.18 | bzdoug_ | mind if I SSH out of it? |
| 23:03.23 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:03.58 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: kill his connection |
| 23:04.06 | bzdoug_ | I am not connected |
| 23:04.10 | Patlabor221 | I just pulled the user, how do I kill him? |
| 23:04.18 | bzdoug_ | I aint connected! |
| 23:04.21 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: KILL! |
| 23:04.29 | bzdoug_ | kill? |
| 23:04.31 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 23:04.33 | bzdoug_ | it aint kick |
| 23:04.33 | Patlabor221 | with the ! cool |
| 23:04.35 | bzdoug_ | darn |
| 23:05.00 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 23:05.04 | Patlabor221 | can I set a user group called "baka"? |
| 23:05.16 | Patlabor221 | and just let them acces one folder |
| 23:06.23 | Patlabor221 | $5 says fiberchunks is in there right now rebuilding kernels and stuff |
| 23:06.43 | fiberchunks | no I'm not (as far as you know ;) ) |
| 23:06.46 | fiberchunks | j/k |
| 23:07.02 | Patlabor221 | soon itll be hyper intelegent and want to talk and stuff |
| 23:08.55 | Patlabor221 | difrent machine |
| 23:09.04 | bzdoug_ | woo, the switch works |
| 23:09.27 | bzdoug_ | hah, super does wonders in the right hands (as long as its not ON the hands) |
| 23:09.33 | bzdoug_ | super glue* |
| 23:10.36 | Patlabor221 | god I love noIP.com |
| 23:10.52 | bzdoug_ | I am still using the hard drive thingy |
| 23:11.03 | sussudio | not your small floppy one? |
| 23:11.57 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: try http://localhost on your web machine now |
| 23:12.17 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 23:12.40 | Patlabor221 | it's pondering |
| 23:12.45 | Patlabor221 | whooot |
| 23:12.48 | Patlabor221 | TEST :) |
| 23:12.54 | fiberchunks | lovely :) |
| 23:14.31 | fiberchunks | now you can set up virtual hosts and stuff -- but you should read the docs at apache.org for your server, and understand what all the directives do |
| 23:14.57 | Patlabor221 | well I just need the one webserver |
| 23:15.10 | Patlabor221 | can it have multiple domains all point to the same place? |
| 23:15.25 | fiberchunks | yes, iirc |
| 23:15.25 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: did you set up apache 1 or 2? |
| 23:15.38 | fiberchunks | I didn't set up anything -- you'll have to ask Patlabor221 |
| 23:15.43 | fiberchunks | not sure what version it is |
| 23:15.57 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: rpm -q apache |
| 23:16.10 | Patlabor221 | want an accout cap?:) |
| 23:16.22 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: not yet |
| 23:16.37 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: did that -- 'apache is not installed' lol |
| 23:16.44 | captain_proton | heh |
| 23:16.53 | captain_proton | rpm -qf `which httpd` |
| 23:17.15 | fiberchunks | or rpm -qa | grep httpd -- which returns 2.0.40-8 |
| 23:17.22 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 23:17.32 | captain_proton | excellent |
| 23:17.56 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: as an aside -- you may have trouble with the forum software I use (specifically, php 4.2.3 and apache 2.0.XX don't play nicely together -- yet) |
| 23:18.04 | Patlabor221 | oh |
| 23:18.16 | Patlabor221 | like what kinda probs? |
| 23:18.29 | fiberchunks | as a note - I use the latest and greatest 1.3.XX version of apache for my server |
| 23:18.43 | Patlabor221 | the web serv is for 2 things the forum and SVN |
| 23:18.45 | fiberchunks | just things I've read about here and there about incompatibilities |
| 23:18.51 | captain_proton | need apache2 for SVN |
| 23:19.16 | fiberchunks | yah, realize that from their web page -- not sure if you can run 2 different apaches next to each other tho |
| 23:19.48 | Patlabor221 | I've go 680 megs of porn :) |
| 23:20.08 | fiberchunks | so that's no bribe! lol |
| 23:20.10 | Patlabor221 | but this is like new fresh porn |
| 23:20.27 | scanline | and music |
| 23:20.29 | scanline | and old backups... |
| 23:20.31 | Patlabor221 | but you don't have macross pluss, what is wrong with you. |
| 23:20.34 | bzdoug_ | scanline: ugh |
| 23:20.39 | fiberchunks | scanline is not interested in pr0n -- phbbt :) |
| 23:20.41 | bzdoug_ | scanline: what kind of storage? |
| 23:20.43 | Patlabor221 | do you have the nadesicos? |
| 23:20.53 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: telepathic |
| 23:21.03 | Patlabor221 | hmmm, I got some RAM here |
| 23:21.16 | Patlabor221 | 2 DC burners |
| 23:21.19 | Patlabor221 | CD |
| 23:21.30 | fiberchunks | well, pat -- leave my account up and I'll do some research for you -- but it may take a while |
| 23:21.31 | scanline | RAID-5 of a few hundred magneto-optical drives from lockheed martin's dumpsters |
| 23:21.35 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: any rimbus? ;) |
| 23:21.44 | Patlabor221 | no, I looked for you tho. |
| 23:21.45 | captain_proton | scanline: FLOPTICAL! |
| 23:21.48 | bzdoug_ | scanline: oooh ic!! |
| 23:22.11 | bzdoug_ | scanline: dont they crash? |
| 23:22.12 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:22.14 | scanline | I have a second dorm room to store the RAID |
| 23:22.23 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:22.25 | Patlabor221 | yeah I've seen picturs |
| 23:22.29 | Patlabor221 | it's impresive |
| 23:22.46 | bzdoug_ | can I see pictures? |
| 23:22.53 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: floptical is one of the most reliable media ever created |
| 23:22.53 | Patlabor221 | hmmm got a thing of pure maple syrup from canada |
| 23:23.02 | captain_proton | and since its raid-5, he's got hot spares |
| 23:23.14 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: ah, but aint it slow? |
| 23:23.20 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: you get that? specifically -- I know nothing about SVN -- but phpBB I can find out all the info for you (prob. take couple weeks max) |
| 23:23.29 | fiberchunks | if that's not a bother, and you're in no hurry |
| 23:23.51 | Patlabor221 | not in a huge rush |
| 23:23.58 | Patlabor221 | proalbly gonna set up CVS |
| 23:24.12 | Patlabor221 | then when I get SVN set up I'll swap |
| 23:24.18 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: nope |
| 23:24.29 | Patlabor221 | wonder how hard it would be to mirror the SF CVS for anon COs |
| 23:24.30 | captain_proton | floptical disks have about a 1-second transfer time for the entire disk |
| 23:24.47 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: wow |
| 23:24.47 | captain_proton | stripe across a few hundred, and you've got a faster array than you can build with hard disks |
| 23:24.49 | fiberchunks | well, I'll see about getting apache 2 and phpbb to cooperate (also mysql) -- but must eat dinner now |
| 23:25.00 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: how much does each hold? |
| 23:25.04 | Patlabor221 | have fun, and thanks |
| 23:25.07 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: 21MB |
| 23:25.12 | fiberchunks | anytime |
| 23:25.18 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:25.26 | bzdoug_ | that explains the quick transfer |
| 23:25.27 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:25.37 | bzdoug_ | these are removable? |
| 23:25.46 | captain_proton | uhhuh |
| 23:25.48 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:26.03 | bzdoug_ | he has drives for all of these? |
| 23:26.09 | bzdoug_ | or does he swap them out? |
| 23:26.16 | captain_proton | drives of course |
| 23:26.25 | bzdoug_ | for ALL of them? |
| 23:26.26 | bzdoug_ | sheesh |
| 23:26.28 | bzdoug_ | thats alot |
| 23:27.34 | bzdoug_ | what is it? |
| 23:27.35 | bzdoug_ | scsi? |
| 23:27.44 | captain_proton | scsi2-narrow |
| 23:28.03 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:28.11 | bzdoug_ | interesting |
| 23:28.25 | bzdoug_ | I need to move out there to get free stuff out of dumbsters |
| 23:28.42 | Patlabor221 | my dad works for locheed |
| 23:28.59 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: cool, does that explain why you fly? |
| 23:29.03 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 23:29.17 | Patlabor221 | he's allways liked planes |
| 23:29.29 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 23:29.29 | Patlabor221 | even before he worked there |
| 23:32.42 | *** join/#bzflag Secret_Hamster (~piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 23:43.25 | Patlabor221 | how does one go about loging into a remote machine? |
| 23:43.42 | captain_proton | ssh user@host |
| 23:45.24 | Patlabor221 | and how does one start an X sesson remotely? |
| 23:45.33 | Patlabor221 | just startx? |
| 23:46.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: X remote is kinda different |
| 23:47.03 | captain_proton | you run X -programs- remotely and they display on your local X server (if everything is set up right) |
| 23:47.58 | Patlabor221 | can I bring up like a copy of konqerer or what ever that is showing the remote? |
| 23:47.59 | Chestal | you _can_ use the whole remote desktop with X -query, but that's usually only feasiblewithin a LAN |
| 23:48.10 | Patlabor221 | I am on a lan |
| 23:48.42 | Chestal | the server msut be configured accordinly |
| 23:48.48 | Chestal | beensome years since I've done that |
| 23:49.19 | Chestal | with X -query, your local host will act liek a X terminal and you'll get a full X session fromthe remote host |
| 23:50.05 | Patlabor221 | that sounds neat |
| 23:50.26 | Patlabor221 | hmm seems I have a PAM failure |
| 23:51.28 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl5x67.chesco.com) |
| 23:52.32 | Patlabor221 | hmm what is "console ownership"? |
| 23:52.48 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: user ownership on /dev/console |
| 23:53.06 | Patlabor221 | why don't I have that? |
| 23:53.13 | *** join/#bzflag TRBERK6 (~0403bbb1@203.194.240.139) |
| 23:53.17 | captain_proton | because you didn't log in remotely? |
| 23:53.29 | Patlabor221 | I sshed to it |
| 23:53.35 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:53.39 | captain_proton | s/remotely/locally/ |
| 23:53.50 | Chestal | Patlabor: what did you try exactly? |
| 23:53.58 | Patlabor221 | ssh me@mytingy |
| 23:54.05 | Patlabor221 | then X -query |
| 23:54.08 | Chestal | nono |
| 23:54.25 | Chestal | you do X -query mytingy :1 (or wahtever) on your local host |
| 23:54.26 | TRBERK6 | Hey Patlabor221 were you the one who was helping me earlier?? |
| 23:54.38 | Chestal | but odds are, that mytingy is not configured to do that |
| 23:54.46 | Chestal | is a display manager running on mytingy? i.e. xdm/gdm? |
| 23:54.47 | Patlabor221 | yes treb |
| 23:54.55 | Patlabor221 | gdm is now |
| 23:54.56 | sussudio | ~ducatictf |
| 23:55.07 | Chestal | I think you'd have to configure gdm to allow it |
| 23:55.23 | TRBERK6 | Could you check server list now for me/ It's 4.3.187.177 TRBERKS Server |
| 23:55.43 | Patlabor221 | in one sec |
| 23:55.52 | TRBERK6 | OK Thank You |
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| 23:56.28 | Chestal | Patlabor: I think it's the xdcmp sectio nof /etc/gdm/gdm.conf, not sure |
| 23:56.34 | Chestal | maybe it is already allowed, try it |
| 23:56.36 | Patlabor221 | it's doing something :) |
| 23:57.28 | MrApathyCream | warnings per second, chestal? |
| 23:57.35 | Patlabor221 | No Tib I don't see your server |
| 23:57.51 | Chestal | MAC: hmm? |
| 23:58.19 | MrApathyCream | -dd |
| 23:58.31 | TRBERK6 | Ok Was there I change something ok Thanks |
| 23:58.42 | Chestal | well, after my most recent changes, noone has been really using ducati 5155 |
| 23:58.49 | Patlabor221 | that gui thing is wierd |
| 23:58.51 | Chestal | before there have been rare kicks for speeding |
| 23:58.53 | MrApathyCream | ah |
| 23:59.02 | Patlabor221 | go to the BZFLAG menu and chose "Show entire command line" |
| 23:59.06 | Patlabor221 | and paste it in there |
| 23:59.07 | TRBERK6 | Yes It can be but I'm learning LOL |
| 23:59.11 | Patlabor221 | sorry here |
| 23:59.12 | Chestal | and a too distant shot or flag grab now and then |
| 23:59.43 | TRBERK6 | Ok I will BRB |
