| 00:00.06 | sn0w_m0nkey | but i have it set up so nice already |
| 00:00.23 | Patlabor221 | then system comander |
| 00:00.25 | Patlabor221 | it's nice. |
| 00:00.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | ok |
| 00:00.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | i check it out |
| 00:00.33 | iLLf8d | lo MrApathyCream how goes it |
| 00:00.45 | iLLf8d | anyone ever put together some cool training courses? |
| 00:00.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | this goes on mbr of primary right? |
| 00:00.56 | sn0w_m0nkey | linux mbr |
| 00:00.59 | iLLf8d | ie like an obstacle course with a ton of bots places in spots? |
| 00:01.31 | sn0w_m0nkey | i setup a training server like that tank, got bored at +410 |
| 00:02.02 | iLLf8d | did you would like to see the map |
| 00:02.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | that ctf map tank? |
| 00:03.13 | sn0w_m0nkey | wouldn't mind running it for awhile |
| 00:03.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | unless proton wants to??? |
| 00:03.39 | sn0w_m0nkey | :) |
| 00:04.07 | iLLf8d | not sure which it is and i'd have to install bzedit just to look atem =P |
| 00:04.17 | sn0w_m0nkey | my network has been bitten by the novell bug...not as good anymore |
| 00:04.20 | iLLf8d | can you beleive it! |
| 00:04.22 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:04.26 | sn0w_m0nkey | no i cannot! |
| 00:04.34 | sn0w_m0nkey | your going to get rusty |
| 00:05.09 | iLLf8d | ehh no more challenge for me anymore, seems I was having the same matches with the same people and the same tired talk heh |
| 00:05.17 | iLLf8d | we were all static in our abilities |
| 00:05.36 | iLLf8d | i'm kinda waiting on new features |
| 00:05.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | you need to try more 50 shot servers |
| 00:05.55 | sn0w_m0nkey | j/k |
| 00:06.16 | iLLf8d | I think a strafe or side to side kinda deally would do it |
| 00:06.22 | sn0w_m0nkey | yeah |
| 00:06.27 | iLLf8d | add in a new dimension |
| 00:06.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | that would make it kinda sick |
| 00:06.37 | iLLf8d | then again tanks wouldn't do that |
| 00:06.40 | sn0w_m0nkey | UT2003 |
| 00:06.45 | iLLf8d | I wish |
| 00:06.47 | sn0w_m0nkey | tanks don't jump either |
| 00:06.49 | iLLf8d | my machine is too slow for that |
| 00:07.02 | iLLf8d | how do you know, armys secret tank called hopper |
| 00:07.07 | iLLf8d | =P jk |
| 00:07.10 | sn0w_m0nkey | well if you get the chance want to send me that map? |
| 00:07.11 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221 has added strafe to his client |
| 00:07.18 | iLLf8d | oh |
| 00:07.23 | iLLf8d | hows that? |
| 00:07.25 | iLLf8d | is it cool |
| 00:07.35 | MrApathyCream | haven't tried |
| 00:07.37 | iLLf8d | must be wild |
| 00:07.45 | MrApathyCream | available at his site |
| 00:07.53 | iLLf8d | where do I get this bzflag zero does it come up on google? |
| 00:08.03 | MrApathyCream | bakadigital something |
| 00:08.29 | sn0w_m0nkey | time to go home then, gnight folks |
| 00:08.51 | sn0w_m0nkey | tank pass that map to proton please...i'll bug him about it ;) |
| 00:09.04 | iLLf8d | WOW shell shock is nice! |
| 00:09.07 | iLLf8d | who owns that |
| 00:09.23 | iLLf8d | great interface |
| 00:09.30 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:09.33 | MrApathyCream | fiberchunks maybe? |
| 00:09.42 | bzgirl | duthrai |
| 00:09.54 | MrApathyCream | mmm yup |
| 00:10.47 | iLLf8d | hmm |
| 00:10.53 | iLLf8d | any good new players? |
| 00:11.35 | jzaun | spoonge bob :-P |
| 00:11.53 | sussudio | s/good/annoying f*cks i want to kill/ |
| 00:12.29 | iLLf8d | nice maps too wonder how they play |
| 00:12.40 | jzaun | yah, thats a better desription of him |
| 00:12.59 | jzaun | iLLf8d: what maps ya looking at? |
| 00:14.34 | sussudio | http://jzaun.com/bzflag2/dispmap.php?mapid=172 :-| |
| 00:16.11 | sussudio | hmm the ghost boxes dont show up at all on the map graphic |
| 00:17.14 | iLLf8d | uhm |
| 00:17.26 | iLLf8d | most ofem on that site http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/maps-contest0212.htm |
| 00:17.32 | iLLf8d | those an the guy who wrote it |
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| 00:17.46 | iLLf8d | jz whats your sites url again? |
| 00:17.59 | sussudio | ... |
| 00:18.08 | jzaun | stats.bzflag.org |
| 00:19.12 | iLLf8d | heh |
| 00:19.25 | jzaun | or jzaun.com/bzflag2 |
| 00:19.29 | jzaun | either will get you there |
| 00:19.40 | iLLf8d | you should put in yourself with a 10,000 in the highscores just to freak people out heh |
| 00:19.57 | jzaun | they would all know I faked it |
| 00:20.07 | MrApathyCream | ok, then 10,001 |
| 00:20.10 | jzaun | I don't think I've ever broken 50 yet |
| 00:20.16 | sussudio | 31,337 |
| 00:20.35 | iLLf8d | is there irc cops now? |
| 00:20.43 | jzaun | ya |
| 00:20.49 | jzaun | Chestal |
| 00:20.53 | jzaun | ibot |
| 00:21.00 | jzaun | pistachioleron: |
| 00:21.04 | jzaun | TimRiker: |
| 00:21.08 | jzaun | :-) |
| 00:21.13 | iLLf8d | I stopped doing that I figure i'd go to 400 and hopped everyone else would just go to there so it wouldn't turn into an escallation issue |
| 00:21.45 | iLLf8d | eventually you'll see people breaking 1000 and wasting hours on the game |
| 00:22.06 | iLLf8d | nice |
| 00:23.34 | iLLf8d | cool I see you got your map display script running |
| 00:25.00 | iLLf8d | wow very cool features on that bzflag zero |
| 00:25.03 | iLLf8d | wonder how they play |
| 00:25.07 | iLLf8d | gotta look into it |
| 00:30.07 | iLLf8d | gotta go postal (run to post office) I bbl |
| 00:42.30 | jzaun | pistachioleron: need ram? |
| 00:43.07 | pistachioleron | jzaun: yeah |
| 00:43.43 | jzaun | pistachioleron: www.ebay.com |
| 00:43.44 | Patlabor221 | ohh you have that rambus crap don't you? |
| 00:46.39 | pistachioleron | its not crap |
| 00:47.06 | Patlabor221 | it's crap becasue I don't have any to send you. |
| 00:47.40 | pistachioleron | hah |
| 00:47.53 | Patlabor221 | SDRAM I could help you with |
| 00:48.13 | Patlabor221 | you have 256? |
| 00:48.44 | pistachioleron | yeah :P |
| 00:49.11 | Patlabor221 | ick then you have 2x 128 |
| 00:49.21 | pistachioleron | well not necessarily, but yeah |
| 00:49.24 | Patlabor221 | tho the origonal RB has come down |
| 00:49.36 | Patlabor221 | RIMMS have to go in pairs I thought |
| 00:50.04 | pistachioleron | there are 'fillers' that you can use in the 2nd slot |
| 00:50.23 | Patlabor221 | ahh I see |
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| 00:56.44 | jacques | i hear someone is working on cheat detection - cool |
| 00:57.04 | Patlabor221 | the man is |
| 00:57.22 | jacques | that makes me happy |
| 00:57.27 | Patlabor221 | cap: any recomendations besides redhat, that I would be able to install? |
| 00:57.47 | pistachioleron | Patlabor221: eh, not really |
| 00:57.49 | pistachioleron | perhaps debian |
| 00:58.43 | Patlabor221 | any real compelling reasons to change? |
| 00:58.55 | pistachioleron | nope |
| 00:59.25 | Patlabor221 | then I'll stick |
| 00:59.35 | Patlabor221 | I royaly screwed that install last night |
| 01:00.31 | Patlabor221 | so I got a larger drive and gonna give it a fresh install |
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| 01:27.23 | Patlabor221 | like a groan in the nads? |
| 01:27.39 | stibnite | the nads haven't groan since i was 13 |
| 01:28.25 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 01:28.34 | stibnite | w00t bzfs did that thing again |
| 01:28.39 | stibnite | tcp4 6 0 66.150.138.15.17201 216.113.120.149.1528 CLOSE_WAIT |
| 01:28.48 | stibnite | 65% cpu |
| 01:29.38 | Patlabor221 | Tim thinks he knows why it does it, just has to figure out how to get a socket to fix it. |
| 01:31.12 | stibnite | it looks like the client never fully closes the connection |
| 01:31.23 | stibnite | or that the server doesn't when a banned player tries to connect |
| 01:33.52 | jzaun | is SF down again? |
| 01:33.58 | stibnite | again? |
| 01:34.00 | stibnite | still. |
| 01:34.07 | jzaun | ok, just checking |
| 01:34.13 | stibnite | cvs has been down since the 14th |
| 01:34.18 | stibnite | no update on status since then, either. |
| 01:34.26 | stibnite | they hoped to have it up yesterday |
| 01:34.33 | stibnite | but NOTHING HAPPENS |
| 01:34.42 | stibnite | i'm so peeved i could almost spit |
| 01:35.25 | jzaun | heh |
| 01:35.31 | jzaun | its SF, what you expect |
| 01:36.47 | jacques | sigh. SF |
| 01:37.07 | stibnite | it stinks, happened like 6 hours after i started playing with the code |
| 01:37.46 | jzaun | yah it does stink, but its also a free service, so you can't get that pissed |
| 01:40.07 | stibnite | oh yeah? watch me. |
| 01:40.08 | stibnite | ;P |
| 01:40.17 | jzaun | ;)\ |
| 01:40.21 | stibnite | hehe |
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| 01:51.43 | rae | Wow, major suckkage trying to use CVS with SourceForge. Is it down? |
| 01:52.14 | rae | .. or just d..e..a..d s..l..o..w ? |
| 01:53.59 | jacques | it's sourcescourge |
| 02:07.01 | rae | The web servers seem to run okay -- it's just the CVS servers that are overloaded.. |
| 02:07.05 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/rising_moon.png |
| 02:07.59 | bzdoug_ | scanline: ugh |
| 02:08.07 | scanline | ugh? |
| 02:08.18 | bzdoug_ | scanline: looks so..... fake.... :P |
| 02:08.35 | scanline | uh huh |
| 02:08.49 | scanline | the detail mapping and terrain lighting isn't written yet |
| 02:08.55 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:08.58 | bzdoug_ | the moon is cool |
| 02:08.59 | scanline | patches welcome :P |
| 02:09.28 | scanline | how about this one: |
| 02:09.29 | scanline | http://jetstream.babylonia.flatirons.org/download/asteroid_sunrise.png |
| 02:09.41 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 02:10.03 | scanline | that demo has 1000 planets, and you could visit each one and take a screenshot like that from the surface if you wanted :P |
| 02:10.12 | bzdoug_ | are the stars all objects? |
| 02:10.13 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 02:10.14 | bzdoug_ | coool |
| 02:10.15 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:10.55 | scanline | so since there's no way it could precalculate all the textures necessary to detail the planets, it will need a system to calculate them as fast as possible when they're needed and cache them |
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| 02:17.23 | jacques | scanline: what are those screens from? |
| 02:18.43 | Patlabor221 | the steam of jet |
| 02:20.29 | jacques | hmm? is that a game? |
| 02:20.43 | Patlabor221 | it will be |
| 02:21.01 | jacques | cool. i cant wait |
| 02:21.09 | jacques | multiplayer ? |
| 02:21.34 | jacques | there are some cool space flight games but none are multiplayer - nor multiplayerflight sims for linux that I know of |
| 02:22.00 | Patlabor221 | cap origonaly said it was single, but I don't know if he's got some MP ideas |
| 02:22.38 | jacques | i wish someone would add MP to vega strike or flightgear |
| 02:23.29 | Patlabor221 | scan: found a model for you:) don't tink you can say it's "flat" |
| 02:23.30 | Patlabor221 | http://www.turbosquid.com/HTMLClient/FullPreview/FullPreview.cfm/ID/125358/Action/FullPreview |
| 02:23.35 | Patlabor221 | horible |
| 02:23.37 | Patlabor221 | but not flat |
| 02:24.13 | scanline | haha, funky |
| 02:24.35 | scanline | jacques: jetstream will be single player, but I'd like to use the engine to make a multiplayer game eventually |
| 02:24.54 | Patlabor221 | who would pay 18$ for that? |
| 02:25.21 | scanline | Patlabor221: someone that has too much money and has nothing close to artistic inclination? |
| 02:25.36 | Patlabor221 | sad thing is, they didn't even make that geo |
| 02:25.43 | Patlabor221 | all the parts came from DOGA |
| 02:25.48 | Patlabor221 | all they did was arange them |
| 02:25.55 | scanline | ha |
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| 02:29.47 | fiberchunks | lo |
| 02:30.05 | Patlabor221 | doooooooood |
| 02:30.17 | fiberchunks | whhhhhaaaaazzzzzuuuuupppp? |
| 02:30.42 | Patlabor221 | nothing, just felt like saying doooood |
| 02:30.50 | fiberchunks | heh, how you doin? |
| 02:30.57 | Patlabor221 | watcing the second leeenox install going |
| 02:31.04 | fiberchunks | which flavor? |
| 02:31.15 | Patlabor221 | RD8 |
| 02:31.18 | Patlabor221 | RH8 |
| 02:31.30 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 02:32.48 | fiberchunks | bout to see if I can get back into the programming folly by writing a couple simple linear algebra functions (it's been a loooooonnnngggg time) |
| 02:32.56 | Patlabor221 | then comes the fun of the making of the drivers |
| 02:33.08 | fiberchunks | I know there's most likely some out there, but hey -- good for practive |
| 02:33.15 | fiberchunks | s/practive/practice |
| 02:33.42 | Patlabor221 | or you could make me a UV maper :) |
| 02:34.04 | fiberchunks | I don't even have an idea what that means, never mind an implementation (give me 3 months ;) |
| 02:34.14 | Patlabor221 | naw it'd be easy |
| 02:35.33 | fiberchunks | so I picked up this book that I'm working out of right now, called "mathematics for games" (I think, it's upstairs), and I'm wondering if bzflag applies the principles there: i.e. world coordinates, inertial coordinate system, and object coordinate system? |
| 02:35.57 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 02:36.07 | Patlabor221 | you have to have some form of those |
| 02:36.11 | fiberchunks | and rotations / translations of each based on Euler angles, quaternions, and matrix math |
| 02:36.27 | Patlabor221 | you used the E world |
| 02:36.28 | fiberchunks | hrm? |
| 02:36.30 | Patlabor221 | word |
| 02:36.33 | fiberchunks | Euler? |
| 02:36.33 | Patlabor221 | Eulers are evil |
| 02:36.37 | fiberchunks | why? |
| 02:36.42 | Patlabor221 | gymbal lock |
| 02:36.42 | scanline | gimble lock is fun! |
| 02:36.48 | Patlabor221 | and sin/cos |
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| 02:36.59 | fiberchunks | ah, yeah, I cursorily read about that phenomena |
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| 02:37.20 | Patlabor221 | mats or quats are better |
| 02:37.26 | Megachirops | ahh, the chat is back up... |
| 02:37.34 | Megachirops | how is everyone today>? |
| 02:37.40 | Patlabor221 | alive |
| 02:37.40 | fiberchunks | heya Megachirops |
| 02:38.02 | Patlabor221 | usualy there is only one way to do a CS xForm |
| 02:38.08 | Patlabor221 | if you are in cartesian space |
| 02:39.02 | scanline | ~jabberwocky |
| 02:39.03 | | Twas brillig, and the slithy toves did gyre and gimble in the wabe |
| 02:39.24 | fiberchunks | ~seen jzaun |
| 02:39.24 | | jzaun is currently on #bzflag (1d 3h 22m 9s). Has said a total of 33 messages. Is idling for 59m 7s |
| 02:44.48 | Patlabor221 | fiber: doing math stuff is all fine and dandy in code, just don't obsess over the little things, it's good to know them. but you'll be hapyest when you have a lib that does all the little things for you. |
| 02:45.03 | Patlabor221 | like matrix and camera classes. |
| 02:45.17 | Patlabor221 | then you get to concentrate on the big picture. |
| 02:45.44 | Patlabor221 | otherwise you'l end up like scanline, geting pico gui to run on your toaster :) |
| 02:45.53 | scanline | ha |
| 02:46.07 | Patlabor221 | allrady got it running don't you? |
| 02:46.17 | scanline | to quote picogui.org: |
| 02:46.21 | scanline | '"PicoGUI" or "picogui", not "picoGUI", "pico gui", or "pico-gui" :)' |
| 02:46.39 | Patlabor221 | PicoGUI on the toaster |
| 02:46.47 | scanline | if I had a toaster maybe :P |
| 02:47.07 | Patlabor221 | tho I would like to see your case with the display |
| 02:47.22 | Patlabor221 | be cool if the case had it's own processor |
| 02:47.25 | Patlabor221 | first smart case |
| 02:48.02 | scanline | there is a processor driving the LEDs |
| 02:48.12 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 02:48.25 | Patlabor221 | be cool if it did stuff like monitor the powersupply fan |
| 02:48.35 | Patlabor221 | open doors and stuff |
| 02:48.48 | Patlabor221 | tell you the angle of inclinaiton of the case |
| 02:48.51 | Patlabor221 | internal temp |
| 02:48.56 | Patlabor221 | GPS location |
| 02:49.30 | Patlabor221 | when it's idle it could run seti at home :) |
| 02:49.30 | scanline | it took a great deal of work just to get it to drive the LEDs fast enough :) |
| 02:49.35 | scanline | 20mhz PIC16F84 |
| 02:49.44 | Patlabor221 | 20 wow |
| 02:50.13 | scanline | pretty well optimized assembly language firmware for it |
| 02:50.16 | Patlabor221 | and a real C compiler for it |
| 02:50.20 | Patlabor221 | cool |
| 02:50.25 | scanline | I think I got it to refresh the LED panel in 40 clock cycles |
| 02:52.49 | Patlabor221 | yay last CD |
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| 02:54.19 | fiberchunks | quick question: who knows what a GRC-193 is ? |
| 02:55.42 | Patlabor221 | a tuner |
| 02:56.09 | Patlabor221 | The GRC-193 is one of the latest HF sets still in use by the military. Made by Harris beginning in the early 1908s, it covers 2.0 - 30 Mc in 100 cycle steps USB/LSB/CW and data. Output is 100/400 Watts selectable. |
| 02:56.09 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 02:56.13 | fiberchunks | bingo -- I have one in my basement :) |
| 02:56.20 | Patlabor221 | I love the interweb |
| 02:56.59 | fiberchunks | damn things weight about 1/4 ton a piece tho ;) |
| 02:58.56 | fiberchunks | www.ipkungfu.org |
| 02:59.12 | Patlabor221 | nfg |
| 02:59.23 | fiberchunks | (must have iptables, and ulog support is a good thing) |
| 02:59.33 | Patlabor221 | ohh I'm just kidding |
| 02:59.37 | fiberchunks | wha wrong? |
| 02:59.42 | Patlabor221 | I'm non routgable |
| 02:59.46 | Patlabor221 | the URL is NFG |
| 02:59.47 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 02:59.52 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 03:00.09 | fiberchunks | sry -- linuxkungfu.org |
| 03:00.42 | Patlabor221 | vas es los? |
| 03:01.01 | fiberchunks | nichts |
| 03:01.50 | fiberchunks | ipkungfu is essentially a script to make managing iptables (and it's logging) easier to handle |
| 03:01.50 | Patlabor221 | you know that's the ONLY thing I know in german :) |
| 03:02.13 | fiberchunks | what about gesundheit :) |
| 03:03.55 | Patlabor221 | ok bsides that and bratwurst |
| 03:04.13 | Patlabor221 | sigh I allways get errors when I try this nvidia stuff |
| 03:04.23 | iLLf8d | fiberchunks: that your site? |
| 03:05.08 | fiberchunks | no |
| 03:05.29 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: you trying to install from X? |
| 03:05.34 | iLLf8d | its got some really cool screenies |
| 03:06.31 | fiberchunks | I think it's a person named trappists' site (on #mandrake) |
| 03:06.42 | fiberchunks | iirc, he/she created ipkungfu |
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| 03:13.58 | fiberchunks | q: can a cross product be taken on any n size vector (n >= 3)? |
| 03:14.11 | fiberchunks | sry, any 2 n size vectors |
| 03:14.20 | Patlabor221 | I think so |
| 03:14.27 | Patlabor221 | I've done 2 and 3 |
| 03:14.44 | fiberchunks | how does one take a x-prod of a 2d vector? |
| 03:15.21 | scanline | I thought it only worked on 3D vectors |
| 03:15.26 | fiberchunks | same here |
| 03:15.30 | scanline | in 2D it doesn't make sense... |
| 03:15.33 | fiberchunks | right |
| 03:15.35 | Patlabor221 | ohh yeah |
| 03:15.39 | Patlabor221 | dhuuu |
| 03:15.41 | fiberchunks | dot prod does, but not x-prod |
| 03:15.43 | Patlabor221 | sorry was thinking dot |
| 03:15.45 | scanline | now dot products, those work in any dimension |
| 03:16.03 | pistachioleron | scanline: know where dan is? |
| 03:16.16 | scanline | pistachioleron: he said something about getting groceries and mowing his hair |
| 03:16.46 | pistachioleron | scanline: ah |
| 03:16.56 | pistachioleron | scanline: when he gets back we need to go watch pink panther on a BIIIIIIG screen |
| 03:16.57 | pistachioleron | =) |
| 03:17.02 | scanline | :) |
| 03:17.10 | fiberchunks | which one? |
| 03:17.22 | fiberchunks | revenge, return, or the original? |
| 03:17.27 | pistachioleron | fiberchunks: original |
| 03:17.38 | pistachioleron | scanline: i got the grand tour of all the video equipment |
| 03:17.41 | pistachioleron | lots of cool stuff |
| 03:17.44 | scanline | spiffy |
| 03:17.55 | pistachioleron | and supposedly all programmable, i need to get the docs from the office and do a lot of reading |
| 03:17.59 | fiberchunks | heee - 'that was a priceless steinway' closeau: 'not anymure' |
| 03:18.06 | scanline | pistachioleron: get the docs for that glove? :) |
| 03:18.15 | pistachioleron | scanline: err, no, not yet |
| 03:19.51 | fiberchunks | x-prod is only defined for 3 space |
| 03:21.30 | Patlabor221 | makes sense |
| 03:21.55 | fiberchunks | scanline: where are Matrix and Vector in the tree? |
| 03:22.49 | Patlabor221 | I think linux knows that I call it the secondary development enviroment so it hates me |
| 03:31.53 | scanline | fiberchunks: jetstream/src/ |
| 03:32.00 | fiberchunks | k, thx |
| 03:37.37 | fiberchunks | :q |
| 03:37.43 | fiberchunks | whoopsy |
| 03:41.02 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: How goes BzfFile.cxx? |
| 03:41.31 | Patlabor221 | OSFile.cxx |
| 03:42.19 | Patlabor221 | I have been "BZifying" it |
| 03:43.24 | Patlabor221 | do the solaris and irix's all do there file stuff the same way as linux? |
| 03:44.01 | pistachioleron | Patlabor221: pretty much |
| 03:44.21 | pistachioleron | i can test compilations for both platforms and running on irix |
| 03:45.51 | Patlabor221 | well you won't like the code tho |
| 03:45.54 | Patlabor221 | it's readable :) |
| 03:46.11 | pistachioleron | egads |
| 03:46.12 | Patlabor221 | did take out all the m_ |
| 03:46.31 | pistachioleron | thank god |
| 03:47.08 | Patlabor221 | and realy short psudo hungarian |
| 03:47.19 | Patlabor221 | figured it was a comprimise |
| 03:47.30 | Patlabor221 | like iThisNum |
| 03:49.17 | Patlabor221 | mygod cap I'm turning into one of you, I am complaing that there is no icon for a terminal in the default gnome pannel |
| 03:56.02 | fiberchunks | well, just for shites and giggles here's what I work on / with: http://lmms.external.lmco.com/photos/military_space/milstar/milstar_2_lo.jpg |
| 03:57.15 | Patlabor221 | where is that at? |
| 03:57.30 | fiberchunks | that's at lockheed -- but I work @ raytheon |
| 03:57.41 | Patlabor221 | my dad works at lochkeed |
| 03:57.44 | fiberchunks | for SPAWAR - Space and Naval Warfare |
| 03:57.58 | Patlabor221 | and my grandpa used to work at raytheon |
| 03:58.04 | Patlabor221 | I think he tests the crap you make |
| 03:58.10 | Patlabor221 | for radarness |
| 03:58.19 | fiberchunks | crap is the appropriate word, usually |
| 03:58.23 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 03:58.59 | fiberchunks | actually, that's the payload for NESP (Navy EHF Satcom Program) |
| 03:59.06 | fiberchunks | which is what I technically work on |
| 03:59.16 | Patlabor221 | ohh well then he won't test that for stealthyness |
| 03:59.24 | Patlabor221 | tho you may use our software to make that thing |
| 03:59.52 | fiberchunks | doubt it, since it's space based, and not atmospheric |
| 03:59.58 | Patlabor221 | or someof your contractors may use it |
| 04:00.09 | Patlabor221 | people use our software to make ANYthing |
| 04:00.12 | fiberchunks | radar signature doesn't really matter in this instance -- it's a comms system |
| 04:00.29 | Patlabor221 | by the godess I have hardware GL on a linux machine |
| 04:00.34 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:00.37 | Patlabor221 | that's what my dad does |
| 04:00.43 | Patlabor221 | I work at a CAD/CAM company |
| 04:01.04 | Patlabor221 | and I don't think that was made by hand |
| 04:01.16 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:01.51 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 04:02.07 | Patlabor221 | JPL uses our stuff all the time to make horible parts |
| 04:02.26 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 04:02.37 | Patlabor221 | parts for the mars lander were made on one of the LEAST acurate machines we know about |
| 04:03.07 | fiberchunks | the payload costs $800 mil, the launch vehicle (non-reusable, obviously), costs $400 million, and there's one of em floating around as 'space junk' right now |
| 04:03.57 | Patlabor221 | do you guys make the parts there or outsource them? |
| 04:04.18 | fiberchunks | due to, get this: conversion error (km to mi in 3rd stage of launch (afterburn, essentially) |
| 04:04.42 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 04:04.42 | fiberchunks | no, lockheed makes the payload, raytheon makes the comm system, and I test it all |
| 04:04.54 | Patlabor221 | JPL calls us all the time with conversion issues |
| 04:05.02 | Patlabor221 | once we had to tell them how to send mail |
| 04:05.34 | fiberchunks | heh -- snail, or e ;) |
| 04:05.45 | Patlabor221 | e |
| 04:09.38 | MrApathyCream | spawar are clients |
| 04:10.13 | fiberchunks | spawar are the customer |
| 04:10.17 | fiberchunks | so yeah |
| 04:11.02 | MrApathyCream | no, spawar are clients of ours, well 'potential, ispose' |
| 04:11.12 | fiberchunks | ah -- who you work for? |
| 04:11.30 | MrApathyCream | primavera systems, --> project management |
| 04:12.05 | fiberchunks | good -- spawar needs some serious management (read: competent management), as theirs seriously sucks (and I work for 'em) |
| 04:15.32 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: if you want to see some other pretty neat photos of the payload, check these out: http://lmms.external.lmco.com/photos/military_space/milstar/milstar.html |
| 04:15.56 | Patlabor221 | what does that thing do? |
| 04:16.03 | Patlabor221 | besides cost money? |
| 04:16.07 | fiberchunks | the _real_ neat thing about this system, is that it supports 16 T1 channels via satellite -- which, imho, is pretty impressive |
| 04:16.46 | fiberchunks | it's a 'secure, jamproof, low probability of intercept communications system for the navy, air force, and army (tactical and strategic ops)) |
| 04:16.47 | Patlabor221 | that's a fair amout of data |
| 04:16.54 | Patlabor221 | ahhh |
| 04:16.57 | Patlabor221 | so a big phone |
| 04:17.29 | fiberchunks | precisely |
| 04:17.39 | fiberchunks | that you can't jam or intercept |
| 04:17.47 | fiberchunks | ^^^^ which is the important part |
| 04:17.58 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
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| 04:40.51 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: that linux box you're working on the one with the 2 monitor cards? primarily, I'm interested in 2 things: 1) how much does a GeForce4 run for now, and 2) how's it work? |
| 04:43.53 | fiberchunks | ah, nm - reread your system post -- that's on the GeF3 machine that you're getting linux going |
| 04:46.37 | Patlabor221 | who said I had leenox working on the GF4 machine? |
| 04:46.45 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:46.49 | fiberchunks | no one -- I misread your post in the forum |
| 04:46.54 | Patlabor221 | the 4 is about 230 |
| 04:47.06 | Patlabor221 | and there is a PCI card in there too |
| 04:47.21 | fiberchunks | but that's not your linux / windows machine, correct? |
| 04:48.21 | Patlabor221 | no that's the work macine |
| 04:48.25 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:49.07 | fiberchunks | have you ever used AC3D for modelling? I was looking at that, and it seemed nice |
| 04:49.17 | Patlabor221 | that thing sucked |
| 04:49.20 | Patlabor221 | no UGs |
| 04:49.22 | Patlabor221 | UVs |
| 04:49.27 | fiberchunks | what's UG / UV/ |
| 04:49.28 | fiberchunks | ? |
| 04:49.31 | Patlabor221 | textures |
| 04:49.41 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:49.41 | Patlabor221 | no real 3d shaded view |
| 04:49.50 | fiberchunks | how long ago did you use it? |
| 04:49.55 | Patlabor221 | and it's just a rip of q2mldr |
| 04:49.59 | Patlabor221 | yesterday |
| 04:50.09 | Patlabor221 | blender has more power then that thing |
| 04:50.27 | fiberchunks | blender a renderer too, I imagine (have to look into that) |
| 04:50.41 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:50.47 | Patlabor221 | but I never render |
| 04:51.08 | Patlabor221 | someone just needs to make an open source rip of milkshape |
| 04:51.11 | Patlabor221 | or port the thing |
| 04:51.16 | Patlabor221 | it's only $20 |
| 04:51.25 | Patlabor221 | and it cicks big time butt |
| 04:52.39 | Patlabor221 | blender just had a odd interface |
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| 04:52.46 | Patlabor221 | I probalby just need to get used to it |
| 04:52.59 | Patlabor221 | and it should have come with more format scripts |
| 04:53.22 | fiberchunks | you mean import or export scripts? |
| 04:53.30 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:53.31 | fiberchunks | from dxf, etc |
| 04:53.32 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:53.38 | Patlabor221 | I know they were out there |
| 04:53.48 | Patlabor221 | but it should at least have some stanard formats in |
| 04:54.35 | Patlabor221 | ahh the joy of downdating drivers |
| 04:54.39 | fiberchunks | such as? |
| 04:54.54 | Patlabor221 | I would thing that it would have 3ds, obj, and raw |
| 04:54.56 | Patlabor221 | at least |
| 04:54.56 | fiberchunks | [bear with, I'm new to this sort of thing] |
| 04:55.07 | Patlabor221 | thos are very common interchange formats |
| 04:55.08 | fiberchunks | 3ds the 3D studio max format? |
| 04:55.14 | Patlabor221 | no 3d studio |
| 04:55.20 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:55.21 | Patlabor221 | the max format is closed |
| 04:55.36 | fiberchunks | closed as in defunct, or closed source |
| 04:55.42 | Patlabor221 | closed as in source |
| 04:55.46 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 04:55.49 | Patlabor221 | and if you hack it, they sue you |
| 04:55.56 | fiberchunks | of course they do :\ |
| 04:56.11 | Patlabor221 | they have an API you have to buy to be able to read it |
| 04:56.23 | fiberchunks | hrmph |
| 04:56.26 | Patlabor221 | and then every one of your end users has to have MAX |
| 04:56.51 | fiberchunks | what other renderers are there (windows / linux, doesn't matter) |
| 04:57.03 | Patlabor221 | I perfer lightwave |
| 04:57.07 | Patlabor221 | for a comercal one |
| 04:57.11 | Patlabor221 | freeware |
| 04:57.15 | Patlabor221 | POV-RAY |
| 04:57.23 | fiberchunks | pov-ray -- heard of that, ok |
| 04:57.33 | Patlabor221 | tho it's not a modeler |
| 04:57.38 | fiberchunks | I've heard the interface is horrific though |
| 04:57.42 | Patlabor221 | it is |
| 04:58.04 | fiberchunks | oh, that's right -- there's modellers and renderers (and combos of the 2) |
| 04:58.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 04:58.14 | Patlabor221 | I have no need for a render |
| 04:58.22 | fiberchunks | why not? |
| 04:58.29 | Patlabor221 | since I make models for real time applications |
| 04:58.33 | Patlabor221 | I want the model |
| 04:58.42 | Patlabor221 | renderers make pictures |
| 04:58.51 | Patlabor221 | I have no use for the picuure |
| 04:59.23 | Patlabor221 | what ever engine I'm using ( aka game ) will take care of the drawing of the model at run time |
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| 04:59.36 | Patlabor221 | so I want good tools to define geometry |
| 04:59.38 | fiberchunks | ah, ic |
| 04:59.50 | Patlabor221 | renderes just take all that geo and make a pciture |
| 04:59.50 | fiberchunks | essentially, just the polygon wireframe? |
| 05:00.03 | Patlabor221 | max and lightwave have good ray tracers |
| 05:00.17 | fiberchunks | and then renderers slap a texture around it, or ray-trace it, that the general idea? |
| 05:00.22 | Patlabor221 | I want the triangles, the normals, and the texture corrdinates |
| 05:00.40 | Patlabor221 | a renderer can use textures |
| 05:00.50 | Patlabor221 | that is just one way to shade a mesh tho |
| 05:00.56 | Patlabor221 | you can just say "make it blue" |
| 05:01.03 | Patlabor221 | or make it "metal" |
| 05:01.15 | Patlabor221 | or if you want "texture it with this immage" |
| 05:01.24 | Patlabor221 | most real time engine just go with the immage |
| 05:01.26 | Patlabor221 | since it's fast |
| 05:01.41 | Patlabor221 | but raytracers will give you a pimp immage wiht just surface params |
| 05:01.49 | Patlabor221 | since they don't realy care about speed |
| 05:01.52 | fiberchunks | pimp image? |
| 05:01.58 | Patlabor221 | pimp = godd |
| 05:02.01 | Patlabor221 | good |
| 05:02.03 | Patlabor221 | aka " |
| 05:02.05 | fiberchunks | oh, that kind of pimp :) |
| 05:02.07 | Patlabor221 | "pimp daddy" |
| 05:02.42 | Patlabor221 | it all realy depends on what you want to do? |
| 05:03.06 | Patlabor221 | you wana make nice pictures and movies |
| 05:03.11 | fiberchunks | not sure really, just get started learning things in the 3D realm -- I seem to be getting more interested in this as we talk |
| 05:03.14 | Patlabor221 | or make stuff for games/openGL |
| 05:03.15 | michaelh20 | did you see the thing about the 5 cent prostitutes on PBS? |
| 05:03.39 | Patlabor221 | PBS has hoes? |
| 05:03.50 | fiberchunks | perhaps both--like I say, I'm kinda undecided at the moment -- but learning both can't be a bad thing ;) |
| 05:03.54 | michaelh20 | Was a series about Chicago, but it talked about some slums and the lowest you could go |
| 05:04.04 | Patlabor221 | well no mater what you need to learn modeling |
| 05:04.10 | michaelh20 | would be a 5 cent prostitute, although they might take your clothes and all your money |
| 05:04.16 | fiberchunks | so a first step is a modeller -- mkay |
| 05:04.23 | Patlabor221 | just with games you dn't go to the render step |
| 05:04.32 | Patlabor221 | and a renderer is nothing with out models to render |
| 05:04.41 | michaelh20 | *and that they were addicted to heroin probably* |
| 05:05.02 | fiberchunks | so they were ultra clean, I wager |
| 05:05.03 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 05:05.19 | michaelh20 | those were the good old days... |
| 05:05.29 | Patlabor221 | if you have access to windows a good modeler is milkshape |
| 05:05.33 | michaelh20 | now we have "Cops" :) |
| 05:05.35 | fiberchunks | freeware? |
| 05:05.36 | Patlabor221 | it's free for 30 days |
| 05:05.41 | Patlabor221 | and then $20 |
| 05:05.45 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:06.02 | michaelh20 | shareware prostititues huh |
| 05:06.13 | michaelh20 | sorry |
| 05:06.16 | Patlabor221 | and it has full support for a ton of fomrats |
| 05:06.21 | Patlabor221 | and animation |
| 05:07.23 | fiberchunks | does it use directX or openGL? |
| 05:07.30 | Patlabor221 | GL |
| 05:07.33 | Patlabor221 | it may |
| 05:07.35 | fiberchunks | cool, that helps |
| 05:08.01 | fiberchunks | since win4lin doesn't support directx (yet - but it may never) |
| 05:08.15 | Patlabor221 | I am not a big fan of D3d |
| 05:08.37 | Patlabor221 | tho I have to respect the fact that they can add features faster then the GL ARB |
| 05:08.44 | Patlabor221 | tho the ARB is doing better now |
| 05:08.57 | fiberchunks | Architecture Review Board? |
| 05:09.06 | fiberchunks | massive commercial backing |
| 05:09.19 | michaelh20 | haven't you seen the Architect Sketch ? :) |
| 05:09.22 | Patlabor221 | Direct Draw, sound, and input are fine APIs themselves |
| 05:09.39 | Patlabor221 | the ARB has about the same backing, from more then one company |
| 05:09.48 | Patlabor221 | MS is on the ARB |
| 05:09.54 | michaelh20 | the bz documentation clearly says that DirectSound is a bonehead api :) |
| 05:09.56 | Patlabor221 | as is NVida, and 3dlabs |
| 05:10.01 | fiberchunks | hrm -- why so slow on the features? |
| 05:10.10 | Patlabor221 | the older API was |
| 05:10.18 | Patlabor221 | DSound 3 was crap |
| 05:10.27 | Patlabor221 | 5 got it good enough to use |
| 05:10.33 | fiberchunks | what's your thoughts on SDL or PLIB? |
| 05:10.35 | Patlabor221 | but realy now with SDL it dosn't mader |
| 05:10.42 | Patlabor221 | I LUB sdl |
| 05:10.54 | Patlabor221 | LGE now uses SDL for it's back end |
| 05:11.00 | Patlabor221 | so it's mega portable now |
| 05:11.06 | Patlabor221 | and for sound I use FMOD |
| 05:11.13 | fiberchunks | isn't that prop? |
| 05:11.14 | Patlabor221 | tho it could be made to use openAL |
| 05:11.22 | Patlabor221 | ? |
| 05:11.33 | fiberchunks | sry, uber proprietary? |
| 05:11.43 | fiberchunks | fMOD, that is |
| 05:11.51 | Patlabor221 | FMOD is just not open source |
| 05:11.56 | Patlabor221 | it's free for free apps |
| 05:12.01 | fiberchunks | oh, ic |
| 05:12.06 | Patlabor221 | and I'm fine with that |
| 05:12.07 | Patlabor221 | it works |
| 05:12.13 | Patlabor221 | and works well |
| 05:12.34 | Patlabor221 | for shareware its like $500 no royalites or something |
| 05:12.39 | Patlabor221 | and comercal like 2k |
| 05:12.42 | Patlabor221 | realy reasonable |
| 05:13.00 | Patlabor221 | I have no problem with people wanting to make a living programing |
| 05:13.16 | fiberchunks | neither do I -- but I do prefer open source when possible |
| 05:13.26 | fiberchunks | and you can make a living in open source :) |
| 05:13.35 | Patlabor221 | you can, its just harder |
| 05:13.35 | fiberchunks | but let's not start that holy war |
| 05:13.37 | fiberchunks | true |
| 05:13.48 | Patlabor221 | the got FMOD ported to a lot of systems |
| 05:13.53 | Patlabor221 | even the consoles |
| 05:14.39 | fiberchunks | now those are libs to support sound output correct? would using libvorbis, et al encompass the same functionality? |
| 05:14.44 | fiberchunks | or am I confusing things |
| 05:15.12 | Patlabor221 | lib vorbis decodes ogg files |
| 05:15.15 | Patlabor221 | it does not talk to hardware |
| 05:15.20 | Patlabor221 | fomd has lib vorbis in it |
| 05:15.27 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:15.28 | Patlabor221 | and it takes the decoded data |
| 05:15.36 | Patlabor221 | and then talks to the sound api |
| 05:15.48 | Patlabor221 | on all it's suported OSs |
| 05:15.51 | Patlabor221 | and does MP3 |
| 05:15.53 | Patlabor221 | and wav |
| 05:15.55 | Patlabor221 | and Mod |
| 05:15.57 | Patlabor221 | and S3m |
| 05:16.07 | Patlabor221 | and a bunch of others |
| 05:16.23 | Patlabor221 | and it will do 3d sound on cards/os's that don't normaly have harware or support for it |
| 05:16.23 | fiberchunks | ic |
| 05:17.21 | fiberchunks | ot: what do you think I should do with the hacker/imposter thread? should I save it, or just trash it entirely |
| 05:17.59 | fiberchunks | I've currently locked /moved it into the 'attic' |
| 05:18.00 | Patlabor221 | what you did was fine |
| 05:18.14 | Patlabor221 | I'd leave it there |
| 05:18.35 | Patlabor221 | do you know what DD's mod client does? |
| 05:18.46 | fiberchunks | in total? |
| 05:18.47 | Patlabor221 | he seems reluctant to ever tell me what he's working on |
| 05:18.51 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:18.57 | Patlabor221 | what is his plan for it? |
| 05:19.16 | fiberchunks | all I've ever seen him _actually_ demonstrate is jump in air, and super speed -- that's all I've personally seen |
| 05:19.36 | fiberchunks | and I have no idea what his plan is, if any, for it -- he's quite hush hush about the whole thing |
| 05:19.45 | Patlabor221 | about all his stuff |
| 05:19.58 | Patlabor221 | had to pry out what his map thing was doing |
| 05:20.03 | fiberchunks | dunno, never interacted with him on that level |
| 05:20.10 | fiberchunks | what map thing? |
| 05:20.19 | Patlabor221 | he's got some BZMap thing |
| 05:20.28 | fiberchunks | what, like an editor? |
| 05:20.30 | Patlabor221 | seems to make maps from like formulas |
| 05:20.33 | Patlabor221 | I guess |
| 05:20.35 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:20.36 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 05:20.53 | Patlabor221 | tho I think I duplicated the fucntionality with dupe and... |
| 05:20.54 | fiberchunks | hrm |
| 05:21.10 | fiberchunks | with dupe? |
| 05:21.24 | fiberchunks | duplicate function in bzedit? |
| 05:21.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah have a feature that you can dupe an object n times |
| 05:21.32 | fiberchunks | ah, makes sense |
| 05:21.35 | Patlabor221 | and shift it XYZ each time |
| 05:21.46 | Patlabor221 | and/or rot Z each time |
| 05:21.47 | Patlabor221 | ect... |
| 05:21.48 | fiberchunks | based on it's center coordinates? |
| 05:21.59 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:22.14 | Patlabor221 | tho I need to add the ability to define the point of rotation |
| 05:23.01 | fiberchunks | how do you define your 2D origin in your editor? X == E and Y == N? |
| 05:23.19 | Patlabor221 | yeah same as BZ |
| 05:23.28 | Patlabor221 | Z = up |
| 05:23.41 | fiberchunks | mkay, wondered about that, what with reading all about left, right, and so on coordinate systems |
| 05:24.05 | Patlabor221 | *sigh* well I guess that 125 fps with AA and anio filtering is ok at 1600x1200 :) |
| 05:24.15 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 05:24.15 | fiberchunks | phbbt - you suck ;) |
| 05:24.21 | Patlabor221 | that's the GL defalut |
| 05:24.25 | Patlabor221 | and it's screen based |
| 05:24.32 | fiberchunks | what card? |
| 05:24.34 | Patlabor221 | not good for things like worlds |
| 05:24.40 | fiberchunks | why not? |
| 05:24.40 | Patlabor221 | radeon 9700 |
| 05:24.46 | Patlabor221 | it turns with the screen |
| 05:24.47 | fiberchunks | what os? |
| 05:24.55 | Patlabor221 | if you define Y as into the screen |
| 05:24.58 | Patlabor221 | XP |
| 05:25.00 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:25.24 | Patlabor221 | and then you have to add 90 ever time you do a sine or cos |
| 05:25.32 | Patlabor221 | and all other kinds of stuff |
| 05:25.40 | fiberchunks | I thought world cs was a static coord system and all other cs were defined as txlation / rotation relative to that cs? |
| 05:25.48 | Patlabor221 | I allway to a glrotate(90,1,0,0) |
| 05:26.00 | Patlabor221 | you used the word screen |
| 05:26.07 | Patlabor221 | viewpoints can move |
| 05:26.24 | fiberchunks | hrm -- terminology again |
| 05:26.42 | Patlabor221 | you can do the GL defalut one and have it be global |
| 05:26.47 | Patlabor221 | it's just odd |
| 05:26.49 | fiberchunks | I think I meant 'into the screen' as a non-visual reference |
| 05:27.05 | lurgyman | ahnkana: getcherself over here |
| 05:27.11 | Patlabor221 | we think of Z as up in the real world |
| 05:27.13 | Patlabor221 | not Y |
| 05:27.14 | fiberchunks | right |
| 05:27.51 | fiberchunks | a left handed cs with my middle finger as Y, and index as Z, is what I'm used to seeing |
| 05:27.55 | Patlabor221 | ohh I read your stuff wrong |
| 05:27.56 | Patlabor221 | sorry |
| 05:27.59 | fiberchunks | (in my limited experience) |
| 05:28.15 | Patlabor221 | allways right hand rule |
| 05:28.22 | fiberchunks | why? |
| 05:28.28 | Patlabor221 | just the way math works |
| 05:28.35 | fiberchunks | that would make +X == West |
| 05:28.39 | Patlabor221 | cos(90) is Y+ |
| 05:28.56 | Patlabor221 | north, south, east and west are arbitrary concepts |
| 05:29.25 | Patlabor221 | a posive angle allways goes from X to Y around the axis of rotation |
| 05:29.33 | Patlabor221 | it's all about the math |
| 05:29.36 | fiberchunks | ah, good point |
| 05:29.41 | Patlabor221 | I could put north where ever I want |
| 05:29.57 | Patlabor221 | 0 deg allways points to X+ from the origin |
| 05:30.03 | Patlabor221 | 90 to Y+ |
| 05:30.12 | Patlabor221 | that's how sin and cos work |
| 05:30.21 | fiberchunks | 180 X-, and 270 Y- gotcha |
| 05:30.36 | Patlabor221 | sin (angle) = X component of a unit vector at that angle |
| 05:30.43 | Patlabor221 | cos(angle) = Y component |
| 05:31.43 | Patlabor221 | left hand rule makes you have to tweak that |
| 05:32.11 | fiberchunks | and of course, the book I'm trying to learn all this from uses the left-hand rule ;) |
| 05:32.14 | Patlabor221 | I have to deal with this all the time since most CNC macines have fliped one axis or another |
| 05:32.20 | Patlabor221 | they do? |
| 05:32.24 | Patlabor221 | what book? |
| 05:32.24 | fiberchunks | yeah |
| 05:32.27 | Patlabor221 | that's odd |
| 05:32.42 | fiberchunks | 3D math primer for graphics and game development |
| 05:32.52 | Patlabor221 | they should use right hand |
| 05:33.02 | Patlabor221 | to get left hand you have to apply a negitive scale in GL |
| 05:33.34 | Patlabor221 | to keep a CS ortho normal and the same "hand" you have can't just flip one axis |
| 05:33.38 | Patlabor221 | you have to flip 2 |
| 05:33.38 | fiberchunks | +x == right, +y == up, +z == 'into screen' |
| 05:33.52 | Patlabor221 | that's right hand |
| 05:33.59 | fiberchunks | not according to them |
| 05:34.19 | Patlabor221 | take your right hand and point your index ffinger into the screen and middle finger up |
| 05:34.31 | Patlabor221 | thumb = X |
| 05:34.40 | Patlabor221 | Middle = Y |
| 05:34.42 | fiberchunks | yeah, but look at the x component (your other right, pat) |
| 05:34.49 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 05:35.13 | Patlabor221 | X is my thumb it point to the right |
| 05:35.28 | fiberchunks | which way is your palm facing? |
| 05:35.30 | Patlabor221 | up |
| 05:35.44 | fiberchunks | oh, see, they define it different |
| 05:35.46 | Patlabor221 | index finger into screen |
| 05:35.52 | Patlabor221 | middle up |
| 05:36.00 | Patlabor221 | that's a version of right hand rule |
| 05:36.08 | fiberchunks | they define it as back of hand facing you |
| 05:36.10 | Patlabor221 | you can rotate a right hand CS anwya |
| 05:36.21 | Patlabor221 | ohh how wierd |
| 05:36.30 | Patlabor221 | well the axis are still alighed the same |
| 05:36.43 | Patlabor221 | it's the back side of a left hand rule :) |
| 05:36.46 | hardwire | fiberchunks, Patlabor221.. well well.. aren't we all YAPPY! |
| 05:36.48 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:36.49 | Patlabor221 | that makes it right ahned |
| 05:37.24 | Patlabor221 | all right hand rule realy says is what way is a posive rotation tho |
| 05:37.48 | Patlabor221 | RHR says that along an axis of rot a positive rotation is Counter clockwize |
| 05:37.48 | hardwire | its a little funny |
| 05:38.10 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: that definition makes much more sense -- non-ambiguous |
| 05:38.27 | Patlabor221 | thats why sin gose from 1 to 0 form 0 deg to 90 |
| 05:38.38 | Patlabor221 | it's the way math works |
| 05:38.46 | hardwire | if sin were boolean.. I am at 1 |
| 05:38.58 | fiberchunks | right -- but I didn't realize that in the context of the 'hand rules' |
| 05:39.01 | Patlabor221 | I hate to tell your book that the universe works difrnetly then there model |
| 05:39.07 | fiberchunks | heh |
| 05:39.13 | fiberchunks | write em a missive |
| 05:39.32 | Patlabor221 | naww I'll just snicker behind there backs |
| 05:39.59 | fiberchunks | I thought it was entirely counter-intuitive to have Z pointing along a horizontal when I read that myself - odd |
| 05:40.20 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:40.37 | Patlabor221 | GL defaluts to X to the right, |
| 05:40.50 | Patlabor221 | Y to the top of the screen |
| 05:40.56 | Patlabor221 | and Z coming outa the screen |
| 05:41.01 | Patlabor221 | at 0 0 0 rot |
| 05:41.24 | Patlabor221 | I rotate it 90 so that Z points UP and Y into the screen at 0 0 0 |
| 05:41.39 | Patlabor221 | makes more sense from a "first person" type view |
| 05:41.40 | fiberchunks | that makes sense |
| 05:41.45 | fiberchunks | yeah, entirely |
| 05:41.46 | Patlabor221 | then stuff in a plane moves in XY |
| 05:42.03 | fiberchunks | and elevation at some Z -- which is intuitive |
| 05:42.07 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 05:42.14 | fiberchunks | (for 3D anyway) |
| 05:42.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:42.21 | Patlabor221 | for 2d |
| 05:42.25 | Patlabor221 | I leave it the same |
| 05:42.35 | Patlabor221 | ohh no I don't sorryu |
| 05:42.38 | Patlabor221 | Y is up |
| 05:42.42 | Patlabor221 | X is to the right |
| 05:42.46 | fiberchunks | it'd be odd to define 2D coordinates on an XZ plane (from a 'i'm not used to that sort of thing') |
| 05:42.48 | Patlabor221 | and Z is like sstack epth |
| 05:43.12 | Patlabor221 | tho that is backwards from most bitmap graphics systems |
| 05:43.21 | Patlabor221 | they do Y+ as down |
| 05:43.39 | fiberchunks | right, a monitor has 0 0 at the topleftmost point on it |
| 05:43.45 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:43.50 | fiberchunks | which is also odd (to me) |
| 05:43.56 | Patlabor221 | makes for fun when sending OS mouse clicks to GL |
| 05:44.01 | Patlabor221 | well they do that cus of memory |
| 05:44.16 | Patlabor221 | start of an image is at the top |
| 05:44.24 | Patlabor221 | so more data = down to bottom |
| 05:44.29 | fiberchunks | really? it's not a function of the gun (I suppose the hardware could be told to start anywhere tho) |
| 05:44.35 | fiberchunks | ah |
| 05:44.44 | Patlabor221 | naw, I thnk most guns go up nowaways |
| 05:45.05 | Patlabor221 | and LCDS don't have guns |
| 05:45.17 | fiberchunks | right -- well mine is an old context, mind you ;) |
| 05:45.26 | Patlabor221 | as far as the code/ cpu knows the display is a block of ram |
| 05:45.38 | Patlabor221 | it just sets the data |
| 05:45.46 | Patlabor221 | it's up to the card to make it into something |
| 05:46.11 | Patlabor221 | hell I've seen beam spliters hooked into monocrome displays |
| 05:46.21 | Patlabor221 | also seen them hooked into vector displays :) |
| 05:46.29 | Patlabor221 | then hooked into MAME |
| 05:46.46 | Patlabor221 | playing asteroids on the coudy sky with a lazer |
| 05:47.19 | Patlabor221 | I do not like this keyboard, need to get a new one tomrow |
| 05:47.25 | jacques | I'm tryig to compile 1.7g0 and getting tons of include files errors |
| 05:47.39 | Patlabor221 | on what OS? |
| 05:47.48 | Patlabor221 | and from CVS or from the tarball? |
| 05:48.25 | jacques | tarball from sourceforge on RH 7.2 |
| 05:48.29 | jacques | i386 |
| 05:48.38 | Patlabor221 | are they errors or warnings? |
| 05:48.47 | fiberchunks | Patlabor221: thanks for all the info man, I appreciate it, but my back meds (read: painkillers), are kicking in big time, so I'm entirely foggy right now -- must get sleep -- talk to ya tomorrow or so :) |
| 05:48.58 | Patlabor221 | like "this has been depricatated"? |
| 05:49.03 | Patlabor221 | fiberL sure man |
| 05:49.06 | fiberchunks | peace |
| 05:49.09 | Patlabor221 | fiber see ay |
| 05:49.33 | jacques | Patlabor221: oops I think I know what I did - sorry ! |
| 05:49.59 | jacques | I was building a kernel for a different machine and I have nasty symlinks in my include dirs to /usr/src/linux/include |
| 05:50.18 | Patlabor221 | ha |
| 05:50.26 | jacques | sorry soryy sorry |
| 05:50.27 | Patlabor221 | that would make it funky |
| 05:51.01 | Patlabor221 | no question is stupid, unless you are Cell, hoda, XXX, or doug. |
| 05:51.12 | jacques | lol cell |
| 05:54.04 | Patlabor221 | that boy needs to just give up coming here |
| 05:54.13 | Patlabor221 | Hoda did |
| 05:54.16 | Patlabor221 | XXX did |
| 05:54.24 | Patlabor221 | doug is geting better sometimes |
| 05:54.41 | Patlabor221 | cell's gonna be a greefer all his life I think |
| 05:58.10 | jacques | :-( |
| 05:58.16 | jacques | i hoped he would get bored |
| 05:59.56 | Patlabor221 | he's just gloading people on these days |
| 06:00.04 | Patlabor221 | he's on like almost everyones ignore |
| 06:00.46 | Patlabor221 | tho thankfully the new clint protects against most of the hack in his lame ass client |
| 06:01.12 | jacques | client in cvs or 1.7g0 ? |
| 06:01.23 | hardwire | w3rd |
| 06:01.23 | Patlabor221 | sorry server |
| 06:01.26 | Patlabor221 | in CVS |
| 06:01.35 | jacques | ah ok. still good thing tho |
| 06:01.44 | Patlabor221 | tho the client has some stuff in it |
| 06:01.56 | Patlabor221 | where it'll ignore more now if it's not right |
| 06:02.09 | Patlabor221 | with cell's client you get booted now as soon as you move :) |
| 06:02.11 | Patlabor221 | too fast |
| 06:02.50 | Patlabor221 | if you move slow and stay on, your shots are ignored cus they are too fast |
| 06:02.59 | Patlabor221 | and if you auto get a flag you are kicked |
| 06:03.12 | Patlabor221 | if you go too high in tht world you are kicked, ect.. |
| 06:03.34 | Patlabor221 | at least it takes care of most of the vulgar cheats |
| 06:05.02 | jacques | that's awesome! |
| 06:05.10 | jacques | just what I always hoped for |
| 06:05.25 | Patlabor221 | well there needs to be more |
| 06:05.29 | jacques | well actually my ideal scenario involves server side everything but ... :-) |
| 06:05.37 | Patlabor221 | the client should not be trusted for hit detection |
| 06:05.40 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 06:05.44 | Patlabor221 | and flag captures |
| 06:05.48 | Patlabor221 | server state is best |
| 06:05.59 | Patlabor221 | clients can still do there preditions like they do now |
| 06:06.07 | Patlabor221 | just be able to take an authoritive update |
| 06:06.37 | Patlabor221 | the bigest thing for that will need to be a robust time sycn mechanism that acounts for lag |
| 06:09.17 | jacques | yeah that's heading in the direction of things like quake - server side with client prediction |
| 06:09.54 | Patlabor221 | well quake 1 did way more |
| 06:10.03 | Patlabor221 | initaly it was way laggy |
| 06:10.08 | Patlabor221 | did too much |
| 06:10.39 | Patlabor221 | bz does fine now, it just needs to not trust the logic, nor the clients |
| 06:10.57 | Patlabor221 | the clients can trust the server |
| 06:11.08 | Patlabor221 | and even asume there actions are processed instnatly |
| 06:11.23 | Patlabor221 | as long as you are time synced |
| 06:11.29 | Patlabor221 | and have a correction method when you arn't |
| 06:11.56 | Patlabor221 | it's ok for the server to tell you that you are 0.02 off in X, you can just pop to there and noone will notice. |
| 06:12.33 | MrApathyCream | as long as it's .02 and 2.0 |
| 06:12.37 | MrApathyCream | or 20.0 |
| 06:12.41 | MrApathyCream | or 200.0 |
| 06:13.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah well if it's that bad then the server also knows that there is high latency to the client |
| 06:13.14 | Patlabor221 | and can take action |
| 06:13.44 | Patlabor221 | the client and the server should be able to use a ping to guess the one way time to each other |
| 06:13.51 | Patlabor221 | and use that to sync there clocks |
| 06:14.09 | Patlabor221 | but it does need an implmentation test |
| 06:14.29 | jacques | and then there are the lost packet issues |
| 06:14.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 06:15.08 | Patlabor221 | in that case all you can do it predict and voop back to the real pos |
| 06:15.41 | Patlabor221 | with a server state at least you voop to the pos where everyone else sees you, not them see you voop to where you think you are. |
| 06:16.14 | Patlabor221 | that's how EQ and other mmorpgs do it |
| 06:16.18 | jacques | 10 shots, 100 flags, 37 max players |
| 06:16.21 | jacques | arg |
| 06:16.34 | jacques | that's at the to pof the server list |
| 06:16.34 | Patlabor221 | punish the lagy not the lagless |
| 06:17.06 | jacques | Patlabor221: I totally agree - incentivize ppl to use servers closer to them topologically |
| 06:17.12 | Patlabor221 | tho I think I need to lower it |
| 06:17.27 | Patlabor221 | authoritive server states would also allow server linking |
| 06:17.44 | Patlabor221 | you could have multiple servers link and people could connect to the best one for them |
| 06:17.57 | Patlabor221 | as long as the servers could keep a fast link to each other |
| 06:18.23 | jacques | hmmm interesting |
| 06:18.39 | Patlabor221 | clean up the world DB, put some spacal partitioning in the shot/effect list |
| 06:18.55 | Patlabor221 | and bam 64 to 100 player servers could be a reality |
| 06:19.08 | Patlabor221 | could even make the server have "rooms" |
| 06:19.14 | Patlabor221 | and commands to jump rooms |
| 06:19.22 | Patlabor221 | where each room is a gamestate |
| 06:19.28 | Patlabor221 | with it's own map |
| 06:19.32 | Patlabor221 | and players |
| 06:19.58 | jacques | mmmm |
| 06:20.09 | Patlabor221 | then we add skill trees, and levels, and bam, EverTank :) |
| 06:20.57 | jacques | and then charge $15/month |
| 06:21.04 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:21.09 | Patlabor221 | we'll be farkin rich |
| 06:21.15 | jacques | and have some really rare flag drops |
| 06:21.23 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 06:21.24 | jacques | and you could buy and sell flags on ebay |
| 06:21.46 | Patlabor221 | oooooo it's the golden jeweled showckwave of dooom |
| 06:21.57 | jacques | LOL |
| 06:22.06 | Patlabor221 | make male and female tanks |
| 06:22.11 | Patlabor221 | and dark elf tanks |
| 06:22.16 | Patlabor221 | in hotpants |
| 06:22.33 | Patlabor221 | kill a tank and it drops phat lewt |
| 06:23.08 | Patlabor221 | phear my level 48 ranger tank |
| 06:23.18 | Patlabor221 | with bone armor |
| 06:23.26 | Patlabor221 | and a barrel of the anchents |
| 06:23.41 | stibnite | was it the son of an elf king? |
| 06:23.45 | Patlabor221 | "treads of the cat" |
| 06:24.23 | Patlabor221 | those rangers are only in tolkien |
| 06:25.02 | Patlabor221 | well it's bed time |
| 06:25.19 | Patlabor221 | now that all hardware = workin OK :) |
| 06:25.30 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 06:25.31 | stibnite | oh great |
| 06:25.33 | stibnite | working hardware |
| 06:25.41 | stibnite | and here i am, jackhammering cvs.sf.net |
| 06:25.43 | Patlabor221 | ya scarry |
| 06:25.54 | Patlabor221 | just give it up :) |
| 06:25.59 | stibnite | NEVER |
| 06:26.06 | Patlabor221 | play with the code from BZFlag:Zero |
| 06:26.08 | stibnite | when it comes back i will be the FIRST to experience it! |
| 06:26.10 | Patlabor221 | it's cvsish |
| 06:26.15 | stibnite | ? |
| 06:26.16 | stibnite | eh? |
| 06:26.31 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/zero |
| 06:26.45 | Patlabor221 | it's from CVS about a week ago |
| 06:26.51 | Patlabor221 | with some changes |
| 06:26.55 | stibnite | hrmmm. |
| 06:26.58 | stibnite | ok! |
| 06:26.58 | Patlabor221 | and WAY COLLER textures |
| 06:28.21 | Patlabor221 | there is 1 perma server running for it, and you can start a server on stats too if you want |
| 06:29.08 | jacques | later Patlabor221 :-) |
| 06:29.14 | Patlabor221 | see ya |
| 06:33.35 | jacques | hmm the controls have ahcnged |
| 06:33.49 | jacques | why is there such a large dead zone in the steering onw? |
| 06:33.54 | jacques | how can I fix that ? |
| 06:34.56 | jacques | i see one can still spawn right into fire |
| 06:37.48 | hardwire | man IE sucks |
| 06:37.54 | hardwire | really really badly |
| 06:45.28 | jacques | and is the turn rate lower now ? |
| 06:58.48 | jacques | gonna go play from home |
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| 07:28.34 | strayer | hi... |
| 07:28.57 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 07:30.06 | strayer | MrApathyCream: is release 1.7G1 available at Ur site? |
| 07:30.52 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:30.56 | MrApathyCream | windows |
| 07:31.06 | MrApathyCream | dev build, not release, but yes |
| 07:32.00 | strayer | windows....thats what i wanted - dev-build...i like betatesting :) |
| 07:32.17 | MrApathyCream | kul - go git it |
| 07:32.38 | strayer | k |
| 07:35.17 | strayer | have to leave....bye all... |
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| 08:02.16 | fontenot | dang what do I have to do to be able to see shots on the radar? |
| 08:02.32 | MrApathyCream | Tinker with GUI Options in options |
| 08:02.47 | MrApathyCream | or, perhaps change radar colors in bzc file |
| 08:08.30 | fontenot | ARG |
| 08:08.40 | fontenot | i cant believe how hard it is to see shots now |
| 08:25.50 | Chestal | it isn't any harder than in e4, and it's better than in e6 |
| 08:26.10 | Chestal | just make them white and/or longer, did you play with the options in the GUI menu? |
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| 08:58.58 | fontenot | yes I played with the options |
| 08:59.12 | fontenot | i want them bigger - they are like 1 pixel but I dont want lines |
| 08:59.41 | fontenot | i also made the radar 1 step below totlly opaque |
| 09:00.11 | fontenot | and I also want the enhanced radar - need that for 3d maps |
| 09:01.38 | fontenot | i even turned them white |
| 09:02.32 | fontenot | it seems like they are not very bright |
| 09:02.42 | fontenot | even if they were brighter it would help |
| 09:04.57 | fontenot | ah increasing shot length makes like 500% difference |
| 09:06.08 | fontenot | thanks |
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| 10:03.17 | sussudio | oh no! it's paul the hacker! |
| 10:03.36 | paul | Ph3aR m3! |
| 10:03.44 | sussudio | aaaaaaaaah |
| 10:04.38 | sussudio | *gasp* |
| 10:04.46 | paul | yep... you guessed right. |
| 10:04.57 | paul | the packet didnt get past my ISPs dialup router! |
| 10:05.08 | sussudio | :-P~~ |
| 10:05.25 | paul | all your address belong to us |
| 10:07.11 | sussudio | and forwards any back :-| |
| 10:07.19 | sussudio | ~spank isp |
| 10:09.06 | paul | wowser |
| 10:09.26 | paul | what do you mean by "forwards back"? |
| 10:10.07 | sussudio | well...... i get actual incoming ip's with 10.10.10.0 back on ppp0 |
| 10:10.35 | sussudio | they blocked 192.168.1.0 a while ago but not the other 2 |
| 10:10.48 | sussudio | 172.16.0.0 ? |
| 10:11.49 | sussudio | btw i set up an old pc as a firewall/masq router at my mom's 2 weeks ago... she gets about 10 times the portscans i get |
| 10:12.02 | sussudio | i'm on 213, she's on 62 |
| 10:13.11 | paul | nice of them. |
| 10:13.31 | paul | 172.16/12 is the other private address space. |
| 10:14.02 | sussudio | yeah... a token ring cau i got was set to 172.16 |
| 10:15.36 | sussudio | the token ring thing would let me hook up serial or through telnet |
| 10:16.04 | paul | token ring? wow.. |
| 10:16.32 | sussudio | yeah..... i got a 20 port smartcau, whatever that is.... and a 20 port extension thing.... and a box full of token ring cards |
| 10:16.33 | paul | blagged from a company that was upgrading an old network, was it? |
| 10:16.39 | sussudio | uh huh. |
| 10:16.48 | sussudio | epson europe |
| 10:17.02 | paul | you're mad :) |
| 10:17.04 | sussudio | hoofddorp |
| 10:17.15 | sussudio | i got a hp laserjet IIISi too |
| 10:17.21 | paul | ah hoofddorp, a beautiful town. |
| 10:17.31 | paul | you got a HP laserjet from epson? :) |
| 10:17.39 | sussudio | yeah they had all HP's there |
| 10:17.46 | paul | LOL |
| 10:17.54 | sussudio | i think epson actually makes the internals for the hp stuff |
| 10:18.04 | paul | ah |
| 10:20.02 | sussudio | ever seen a laserjet, 2 PS2 towers and other assorted stuff go into the back of a ford escort? |
| 10:20.31 | sussudio | i could just about drive away |
| 10:20.43 | sussudio | exhaust didnt even touch the road |
| 10:34.27 | paul | hehe |
| 10:35.34 | paul | i had about 6 blokes in my old ford sierra once. its rear suspension was pretty knackered, and the weight of the lads (esp the 4 in the back) had it scratching its "arse" on the road at every little bump :) |
| 10:36.53 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: are you UK based? |
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| 11:00.05 | sussudio | no |
| 11:00.36 | sussudio | killin' campahs |
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| 11:09.43 | intrix | hi |
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| 11:18.33 | intrix | hi |
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| 12:13.23 | sussudio | cvs screwed? |
| 12:31.57 | Chestal | anon CVS has been disabled for some days already |
| 12:33.07 | sussudio | why |
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| 13:36.05 | bzgirl | hello #bzflag |
| 13:40.35 | Chestal | hello bzgirl |
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| 13:56.57 | *** join/#bzflag jraitala (cheesus@jraitala-dsl.oulu.fi) |
| 13:57.07 | jraitala | hello |
| 13:57.24 | bzgirl | hi jraitala |
| 13:57.42 | jraitala | ~ducatictf |
| 13:57.59 | jraitala | hey bzgirl |
| 13:58.24 | jraitala | it's a shame ducati isn't populated this time of the day |
| 13:59.19 | jraitala | I've found no similar server (no/little flags, 2-3 shots) with actually someone playing on them |
| 13:59.35 | bzgirl | 2 players are on rosemeyers |
| 14:00.18 | sussudio | lagmeyers |
| 14:00.51 | bzgirl | it may lag for you sussudio, not for me |
| 14:00.53 | jraitala | it seems to be in the US, too far away from me :/ |
| 14:01.07 | sussudio | bzgirl : you consider 400ms not to be lag :-P |
| 14:01.31 | bzgirl | im 140 there |
| 14:03.32 | isfry | i am sure if i connect to it i will be at about 1 ms or less =) |
| 14:04.55 | bzgirl | sussudio: what lag do you get on rosemeyers? 400? |
| 14:07.40 | sussudio | apt-get upgrade and bzflag dont mix |
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| 14:18.21 | bomber | ~ducatictf |
| 14:30.55 | MrApathyCream | sussudio: dutch? :) |
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| 14:44.36 | bomber | ~ducatictf |
| 14:49.26 | bomber | ~ducatictf |
| 14:49.56 | Chestal | hi suss, alive? |
| 14:50.45 | sussudio | no |
| 14:51.12 | Chestal | too bad, thought you'd be able to join ducati 5155 and be kicked once more |
| 14:51.24 | sussudio | i'm not under windoze |
| 14:53.28 | sussudio | 5155 doesnt have jumping or V either |
| 14:54.03 | Chestal | it does |
| 14:54.11 | sussudio | nuh. |
| 14:54.30 | sussudio | no jumping. no V |
| 14:54.40 | Chestal | jumping and V |
| 14:54.47 | sussudio | not on 5155 |
| 14:57.16 | sussudio | it kicked me after you logged off |
| 14:57.19 | Chestal | hmm, you got kicked for speeding |
| 14:57.21 | sussudio | and i wasnt even moving at all |
| 14:57.53 | sussudio | and not under windows :-| |
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| 16:00.44 | bzgirl | does iot have a manual? |
| 16:00.50 | bzgirl | ibot* |
| 16:01.03 | bzdoug__ | ~help |
| 16:01.33 | bzgirl | ~help |
| 16:02.43 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E96D0B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:02.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 16:03.38 | bzgirl | hi TeA |
| 16:04.39 | *** join/#bzflag bomber (~bomber@ap97.physik.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 16:04.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | hey bomber |
| 16:05.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | bzgirl: did u see that the last 12 ore 10 matches |
| 16:05.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | only from HoW are |
| 16:05.20 | bzgirl | yes |
| 16:05.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | quite ma |
| 16:05.32 | [TeA|TrEE] | d |
| 16:05.32 | bzgirl | almost all you guys vs HoW |
| 16:05.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 16:05.42 | [TeA|TrEE] | we are having a daily match |
| 16:05.45 | Chestal | Tea: I guess it's about time for another Zee<->Moles match one of these days |
| 16:05.47 | [TeA|TrEE] | since this week |
| 16:05.53 | [TeA|TrEE] | sure |
| 16:05.56 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal ... |
| 16:06.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | will be a super match |
| 16:06.20 | [TeA|TrEE] | and a Vbz vs Moles aswell |
| 16:08.01 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:08.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | ui |
| 16:08.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | moles in da house |
| 16:08.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;-) |
| 16:14.13 | bzgirl | hmm |
| 16:14.36 | bzgirl | doug whats BFG9000? |
| 16:14.55 | jraitala | isn't it the big gun in doom/doom2 |
| 16:15.16 | bzgirl | doom is a game? |
| 16:15.46 | Secret_Hamster | yep |
| 16:15.59 | Secret_Hamster | the Big Fcking Gun 9000 |
| 16:16.10 | bzgirl | ahh |
| 16:32.25 | jraitala | darn, ducatictf is full again. Couldn't there be a bit higher player limits than 4vs4? |
| 16:40.15 | bzgirl | ~bzgirl? |
| 16:40.16 | | you are probably the coolest around |
| 16:40.42 | bzgirl | ~spell certianlly |
| 16:40.43 | | possible spellings for certianlly: certainly sectionally certainty seminally rationally serially cardinally germinally terminally inertially bestially vernally martially partially certain carnally nationally notionally personally venially Stanly erringly spinally virginally searchingly |
| 16:40.56 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@208.48.199.214) |
| 16:41.01 | bzdoug__ | 'lo patlabor221 |
| 16:41.20 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:41.48 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 16:42.16 | bzgirl | hi Patlabor221 |
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| 16:43.48 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 16:45.09 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 16:45.13 | Patlabor221 | how are you? |
| 16:45.20 | captain_proton | decent |
| 16:45.30 | captain_proton | about to go in to work |
| 16:46.35 | Patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 16:46.46 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 16:46.50 | Patlabor221 | work |
| 16:47.02 | Patlabor221 | and yes 3 sec is way to short for a shake time |
| 16:47.14 | isfry | brb lunch |
| 16:48.36 | Patlabor221 | good luck |
| 16:48.41 | Patlabor221 | victory or death and all that |
| 16:58.37 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: no its Victory and Death |
| 16:59.02 | Patlabor221 | only to the pesimistic |
| 16:59.35 | Patlabor221 | well also depends on who's death |
| 17:00.14 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: well you know my current state of mind. Pessamism would be a step upward |
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| 17:07.30 | bzdoug__ | captain_proton is ~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU (jupiter) |
| 17:07.30 | bzdoug__ | proton-work is ~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU (jupiter) |
| 17:07.45 | Patlabor221 | it's called linux |
| 17:07.56 | Patlabor221 | he's been that at home too |
| 17:08.02 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 17:08.05 | Patlabor221 | I'm guessing SSH |
| 17:08.18 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: you got a leeenox box setup at home? |
| 17:08.22 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:08.25 | Patlabor221 | all happy |
| 17:08.27 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:08.38 | bzdoug__ | SSH into it from the outside? |
| 17:09.48 | bzdoug__ | hahaha |
| 17:10.00 | Patlabor221 | he's serious |
| 17:10.03 | bzdoug__ | but no UT server? |
| 17:10.13 | Patlabor221 | he dosn't play UT |
| 17:10.15 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:10.19 | bzdoug__ | do you play HL? |
| 17:10.40 | Patlabor221 | on ocasion I have been know to lay the beat down with the crowbar |
| 17:10.56 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:12.26 | Patlabor221 | there we go halflife.bakadigital.com |
| 17:12.31 | bzdoug__ | haha |
| 17:12.45 | Patlabor221 | now I have ofical reason to have baka :) |
| 17:12.58 | bzdoug__ | hmm, no UT server? you play it dont ya? |
| 17:13.09 | Patlabor221 | ohh I havne't played UT in a long while |
| 17:13.15 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:13.19 | Patlabor221 | adn when we do, it's all LAN |
| 17:13.23 | Patlabor221 | no net stuff |
| 17:13.26 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:13.29 | Patlabor221 | most other people are laggy |
| 17:13.34 | Patlabor221 | HPBs |
| 17:13.46 | bzdoug__ | HPBs? |
| 17:13.56 | Patlabor221 | sure if you get off playing with yourself |
| 17:14.08 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 17:14.16 | bzdoug__ | but it gets borring |
| 17:14.24 | bzdoug__ | bots with god mode is tuf to play |
| 17:14.27 | bzdoug__ | but fun to watch |
| 17:14.37 | bzdoug__ | like WW2 or something |
| 17:15.02 | Patlabor221 | only for munchkins |
| 17:15.13 | bzdoug__ | heh, real people are more fun |
| 17:15.52 | bzdoug__ | i WOULD like to see 20 people per team in UT.... REAL people too... |
| 17:16.51 | bzdoug__ | bzflag needs background music |
| 17:17.54 | Patlabor221 | like screamers has? |
| 17:18.04 | bzdoug__ | hmm, never seen screamers |
| 17:18.11 | bzdoug__ | is that like vaporware? |
| 17:18.29 | Patlabor221 | no it runs |
| 17:18.34 | bzdoug__ | eh? |
| 17:18.45 | Patlabor221 | you have dev studio installed? |
| 17:19.02 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 17:19.07 | bzdoug__ | sorta |
| 17:19.11 | bzdoug__ | it compiles stuff |
| 17:19.21 | bzdoug__ | but I never reinstalled it after my XP install |
| 17:19.22 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 17:19.27 | Patlabor221 | just need to realy have the debug libs |
| 17:19.32 | bzdoug__ | cant double click on files.. |
| 17:19.36 | bzdoug__ | why? |
| 17:19.43 | bzdoug__ | I can just compile releases |
| 17:19.45 | bzdoug__ | right? |
| 17:19.48 | Patlabor221 | no not yet |
| 17:20.01 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:20.05 | Patlabor221 | and who said I you were getin source |
| 17:20.20 | bzdoug__ | you asked if I had MSDEV |
| 17:20.26 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:20.35 | Patlabor221 | that does not imply source at all times |
| 17:20.42 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 17:20.43 | Patlabor221 | if you have dev, then you have debug libs |
| 17:20.43 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:20.54 | bzdoug__ | well, no debug libs I have |
| 17:21.03 | bzdoug__ | unless I can reinstall them somehow |
| 17:21.20 | Patlabor221 | htpp://www.bakadigital.com/screamers/3dscreamers.zip |
| 17:21.29 | bzdoug__ | Give a man a fish, he owes you one fish. Teach a man to fish, you give up your monopoly on fisheries. |
| 17:21.33 | Patlabor221 | if it compiles it has them |
| 17:21.53 | bzdoug__ | uh huh, it says missing lib everytime I run debug apps |
| 17:21.58 | bzdoug__ | but.. |
| 17:22.02 | Patlabor221 | then you suck |
| 17:22.09 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 17:22.12 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 17:22.14 | bzdoug__ | 28 megs? |
| 17:22.16 | bzdoug__ | sheesh |
| 17:22.21 | Patlabor221 | hellllz yah |
| 17:22.53 | bzdoug__ | whats the diference? |
| 17:23.00 | bzdoug__ | why would debug work and release not |
| 17:23.11 | Patlabor221 | un initalized vars |
| 17:23.16 | Patlabor221 | bad code |
| 17:23.16 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:23.19 | Patlabor221 | all kinds of stuff |
| 17:23.30 | bzdoug__ | and debug is more forgiving? |
| 17:23.37 | bzdoug__ | intresting |
| 17:23.42 | Patlabor221 | devug inits all vars |
| 17:23.45 | Patlabor221 | stop that DL |
| 17:23.48 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 17:23.48 | Patlabor221 | I fixed release |
| 17:23.56 | bzdoug__ | oh cool |
| 17:23.59 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 17:24.15 | bzdoug__ | cant debugs run off a lib file thats with the exe itself? |
| 17:24.40 | Patlabor221 | I could include the debug runtime libs yus |
| 17:24.42 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 17:24.46 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:24.50 | Patlabor221 | but it's a pain thre are like 4 of them to find or something |
| 17:24.55 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:24.57 | bzdoug__ | wierd |
| 17:25.05 | Patlabor221 | why wierd? |
| 17:25.07 | bzdoug__ | sorta like some older qbasic apps |
| 17:25.17 | Patlabor221 | it's just the way it's done |
| 17:25.20 | bzdoug__ | some older QB programs needed a runtime thingy |
| 17:25.26 | bzdoug__ | yea |
| 17:25.39 | Patlabor221 | well you need the C runtimes, and the windows rutimes |
| 17:25.49 | Patlabor221 | it's just how VC links |
| 17:26.02 | Patlabor221 | I could tell it to build static, but then it would be larger |
| 17:26.13 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 17:26.14 | Patlabor221 | k redownload |
| 17:26.18 | bzdoug__ | larger... :P |
| 17:26.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:26.24 | bomber | ~ducatictf |
| 17:26.31 | Patlabor221 | shared libs take the shared code outa apps |
| 17:26.32 | bzdoug__ | downloadedin |
| 17:26.45 | Patlabor221 | if every app had a copy of the same code, that could bloat |
| 17:26.53 | Patlabor221 | this way there is only one copy |
| 17:27.05 | bzdoug__ | hmm, interesting, and all windows apps and windows comes with the run times by default? |
| 17:27.11 | bzdoug__ | er |
| 17:27.11 | Patlabor221 | and it can be replaced and fixed with out having to rebuild all the tother apps |
| 17:27.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 17:27.30 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 17:29.40 | Patlabor221 | most of that 28 megs is skyboxes sadly |
| 17:29.50 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 17:31.17 | bzdoug__ | does it have networking? |
| 17:31.33 | Patlabor221 | nope |
| 17:31.49 | Patlabor221 | it's got purdy menus |
| 17:32.19 | bzdoug__ | ;hhaa |
| 17:32.35 | Patlabor221 | and a spinny thing |
| 17:32.47 | bzdoug__ | oooh, spinny thing |
| 17:33.29 | Patlabor221 | when you score |
| 17:33.39 | bzdoug__ | ugh |
| 17:33.41 | bzdoug__ | in german? |
| 17:33.49 | Patlabor221 | in GERMAN |
| 17:33.53 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:33.53 | Patlabor221 | technofied |
| 17:33.56 | Patlabor221 | it's funny |
| 17:34.02 | bzdoug__ | how do I add/remove music from the screamers? |
| 17:34.06 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 17:34.09 | Patlabor221 | put it in the folder |
| 17:34.16 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:34.17 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 17:34.27 | Patlabor221 | it'll play everything in the folder |
| 17:35.05 | bzdoug__ | humph |
| 17:35.24 | bzdoug__ | cant even put the SDL dll with the program |
| 17:35.36 | Patlabor221 | ohh sorry, I forget |
| 17:35.41 | Patlabor221 | bzedit dosn't use SDL |
| 17:35.46 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:35.52 | bzdoug__ | where did I get it from |
| 17:36.03 | Patlabor221 | I keep it in my windows folder so I don't have to remember it |
| 17:36.09 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 17:36.11 | Patlabor221 | libsdl.org |
| 17:36.12 | bzdoug__ | smart |
| 17:36.15 | Patlabor221 | or something like that |
| 17:37.10 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/SDL.zip |
| 17:37.49 | Patlabor221 | musta been the DLL of death |
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| 17:37.55 | bzdougg | bah |
| 17:38.30 | bzdougg | I HATE those websites that just HAVE to pop up 2 billion popups, with java scripts BSODing the bloody thing apart |
| 17:38.39 | sussudio | ducati is being weird |
| 17:38.49 | sussudio | everyone is going on and off [nr] |
| 17:39.05 | bzdougg | sussudio: must be your dutch internet connection |
| 17:39.08 | bzdougg | sussudio: ;) |
| 17:39.11 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 17:39.12 | | shut up doug |
| 17:39.16 | sussudio | you dumbo |
| 17:39.27 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 17:39.29 | bzgirl | you show nr |
| 17:39.33 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug__ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 17:39.33 | sussudio | i logged off |
| 17:39.53 | bzdougg | wee |
| 17:40.01 | bzdougg | blow up my XP install |
| 17:40.50 | Patlabor221 | perhaps you should not just download files from the net whilly nilly |
| 17:41.12 | bzdougg | I dint |
| 17:41.18 | bzdougg | I went to libsdl.com |
| 17:41.27 | bzdougg | and it was one of "those" web sites |
| 17:41.34 | Patlabor221 | sure you did, you got 28 megs of them from me |
| 17:41.43 | bzdougg | with pop ups, and tons of adds... |
| 17:42.11 | bzdougg | ? |
| 17:42.13 | bzdougg | lol |
| 17:42.22 | Patlabor221 | I get no adds at libsdl.org |
| 17:42.27 | Patlabor221 | you must have addware |
| 17:43.12 | proton-work | Patlabor221: he said libsdl.com, not libsdl.org |
| 17:43.14 | bzdougg | I went to .com |
| 17:43.21 | proton-work | because he's a LOSER |
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| 17:43.42 | bzdoug__ | wierd |
| 17:44.03 | Patlabor221 | did I say .com? |
| 17:44.21 | bzdoug__ | nooooo |
| 17:44.26 | bzdoug__ | it was fine pirnt |
| 17:44.40 | proton-work | how can you mistake .org for .com? |
| 17:44.45 | Patlabor221 | no, it was the same font size as libsdl |
| 17:44.52 | Patlabor221 | only 1 letter is the same |
| 17:44.52 | bzdoug__ | both have o's in it |
| 17:44.56 | Patlabor221 | still |
| 17:45.01 | Patlabor221 | it's in a difrent place |
| 17:45.09 | Patlabor221 | unless you are like stupid or something |
| 17:45.17 | bzdoug__ | what version of sdl? |
| 17:45.18 | bzdoug__ | 1.2? |
| 17:45.22 | bzdoug__ | or 1.0? |
| 17:45.37 | Patlabor221 | just get the sdl.zip I put up for you |
| 17:45.42 | Patlabor221 | it's the one DLL you need |
| 17:45.45 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 17:45.49 | bzdoug__ | where is that file? |
| 17:45.59 | bzdoug__ | I must of missed it while BSODing and things |
| 17:46.15 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/sdl.zip |
| 17:46.34 | bzdoug__ | thanks, that better than compiling it all |
| 17:46.47 | Patlabor221 | you wouldn't have to anyway |
| 17:46.49 | Patlabor221 | they have bins |
| 17:46.55 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:47.10 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:47.15 | bzdoug__ | wrong music |
| 17:47.23 | Patlabor221 | intro is hardcoded |
| 17:47.30 | bzdoug__ | oh |
| 17:48.16 | Patlabor221 | poor BZ flag, it now has 6 readable files in it |
| 17:48.38 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 17:48.40 | bzdoug__ | cool |
| 17:48.45 | bzdoug__ | the menu is the coolest part... :P |
| 17:48.55 | Patlabor221 | and general use matrix and vector stuff |
| 17:49.06 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 17:52.05 | Patlabor221 | is it everything you make it out to be in your mind? |
| 17:52.19 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 17:52.25 | bzdoug__ | ~seen bzfrank |
| 17:52.29 | | i haven't seen 'bzfrank', bzdoug__ |
| 17:52.46 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 17:52.53 | bzdoug__ | ~seen BZFrank |
| 17:52.53 | | bzdoug__: i haven't seen 'bzfrank' |
| 17:53.12 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 17:53.19 | bzdoug__ | ~seen gerbil |
| 17:53.19 | | gerbil <DavidNorth@24.213.17.159.bay.mi.chartermi.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 52d 5h 34m 6s ago, saying: 'later'. |
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| 17:54.21 | bzdoug__ | yo test321 |
| 17:54.27 | test321 | hi |
| 17:55.19 | Secret_Hamster | bzdoug__: have you sorted out whos the leader of the Annihilation team |
| 17:55.35 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: I suppose I am the leader |
| 17:55.56 | bomber | ~ducatictf |
| 17:55.57 | bzdoug__ | well, it says I am a member |
| 17:56.09 | bzdoug__ | but I can ban people from the team |
| 17:57.12 | bzdoug__ | yup |
| 17:57.15 | Secret_Hamster | well on the league pages it has the little alien face next to you |
| 17:57.15 | bzdoug__ | I am the leader |
| 17:57.33 | bzdoug__ | your welcome to join, but nobody plays much.... :( |
| 17:57.54 | Secret_Hamster | what time do you tend to play the matches (or try to play the matches) |
| 17:57.59 | Patlabor221 | are you the only member doug? |
| 17:58.12 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: no, it has around 20 members |
| 17:58.23 | Patlabor221 | so the slacker team? |
| 17:58.24 | sussudio | all pigs |
| 17:58.25 | Secret_Hamster | they've only played one game! |
| 17:58.30 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 17:58.33 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: hmm, I dont know, I hover in and how all day, but never for long perieds of time |
| 17:58.53 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: :P |
| 17:59.02 | Patlabor221 | should just call it "Slacktopia" or "you'll proalby beat us" |
| 17:59.05 | Secret_Hamster | well, don't you have to set-up matches and stuff? |
| 17:59.22 | bzdoug__ | yea, but I have yet to see anyone respond |
| 17:59.32 | sussudio | doug's mom doesnt let him near matches... not since the bbq incident |
| 17:59.40 | Patlabor221 | maybe there are matches but they all just ditch you? |
| 17:59.45 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: bzflagZ is win only? |
| 17:59.46 | Secret_Hamster | lol. Well I'm in if you can play european evening times |
| 17:59.58 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:00.09 | bzdoug__ | hmmmmm |
| 18:00.18 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl, no it should build on lin too |
| 18:00.24 | Patlabor221 | tho I haven't tried it |
| 18:00.28 | Secret_Hamster | bzflagz? |
| 18:00.29 | bzgirl | windows i mean, i just compiled it, it built .exes |
| 18:00.29 | Patlabor221 | but I know JZuan did |
| 18:00.36 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: bzflag zero |
| 18:00.39 | Patlabor221 | it didn't build those |
| 18:00.41 | bzgirl | on my suse desktop |
| 18:00.46 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: the new and improved bzflag |
| 18:00.46 | Secret_Hamster | what's that? |
| 18:00.50 | Patlabor221 | I accedntaly left them there in the zip |
| 18:00.51 | Secret_Hamster | ahh |
| 18:00.54 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: ask Patlabor221 |
| 18:00.55 | Secret_Hamster | what's the diff |
| 18:01.04 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: strafing |
| 18:01.08 | Patlabor221 | mine is WAYYY coler :) |
| 18:01.14 | Secret_Hamster | straffing? |
| 18:01.16 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: mines... |
| 18:01.24 | Secret_Hamster | like crab movement? |
| 18:01.27 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl you can just delelte the EXEs |
| 18:01.30 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: arse shot |
| 18:01.41 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: hmm, what else... |
| 18:01.41 | sussudio | doug has crab movement in his underpants |
| 18:01.48 | Patlabor221 | unless I screwed up the makefiles |
| 18:01.49 | Secret_Hamster | hey no-one goes near my arse |
| 18:01.54 | bzgirl | Patlabor221: yeah, but it didnt build a linux version |
| 18:02.02 | Patlabor221 | realy, how odd |
| 18:02.06 | Patlabor221 | it should |
| 18:02.10 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: it shoots out the rear of the tank |
| 18:02.15 | Patlabor221 | then I musta messed up the makes |
| 18:02.16 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: plus it has boost |
| 18:02.18 | Patlabor221 | let me look at it |
| 18:02.22 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: hmm, and one more thing... |
| 18:02.44 | bzdoug__ | and a small reverse/ half jump thingy |
| 18:02.50 | Secret_Hamster | yea I always fire out of my arse. explains why I never hit anything |
| 18:03.01 | Secret_Hamster | where's a dl |
| 18:03.03 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:03.14 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:03.15 | Patlabor221 | www.bakadigital.com/zero |
| 18:03.22 | bzdoug__ | there is sound comming out of someplace |
| 18:03.23 | Patlabor221 | tho it seems there is a problem with the makes |
| 18:03.25 | bzdoug__ | !!! |
| 18:03.26 | Secret_Hamster | thanks your a star |
| 18:03.33 | bzdoug__ | http://www.bakadigital.com/bzx/ has music |
| 18:04.40 | sussudio | pig |
| 18:05.18 | Patlabor221 | your the only one that can hear it doug :) |
| 18:05.33 | bzdoug__ | then why embed it? |
| 18:05.34 | Patlabor221 | at least it's not crap midi |
| 18:05.44 | bzdoug__ | indeed |
| 18:05.48 | bzdoug__ | its a real mp3 |
| 18:07.02 | Secret_Hamster | jeez how big is it? |
| 18:07.13 | Patlabor221 | if you were smart you could |
| 18:07.15 | Patlabor221 | doug |
| 18:07.31 | Patlabor221 | actualy it was a streaming test |
| 18:07.32 | Secret_Hamster | still seems to be trying to dl it |
| 18:07.35 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:07.36 | Patlabor221 | I need to pull it |
| 18:07.46 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: I just downloaded it |
| 18:07.46 | Patlabor221 | it does DL it on some browsers |
| 18:07.49 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: :P |
| 18:07.56 | Patlabor221 | hence the failure of the test |
| 18:07.59 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: er, :P |
| 18:08.02 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: ah |
| 18:08.08 | bzdoug__ | its a file on the webserver... |
| 18:08.12 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:08.18 | bzdoug__ | I looked at the source, and just downloaded it |
| 18:08.21 | Patlabor221 | a number of browsers stream it |
| 18:08.33 | bzdoug__ | mine did till it got it all |
| 18:08.43 | Patlabor221 | then your's sucks |
| 18:09.04 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 18:09.33 | bzdoug__ | WMP downloaded it actully |
| 18:11.28 | Patlabor221 | bzgirl get this file http://www.bakadigital.com/zero/Makefile |
| 18:11.51 | bzgirl | k |
| 18:11.56 | Patlabor221 | and put that in the src/bzflag dir |
| 18:12.02 | Patlabor221 | then blow out your /bin |
| 18:12.05 | bzgirl | overwrithe the othet |
| 18:12.08 | Patlabor221 | and remove those exes |
| 18:12.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:12.13 | Patlabor221 | then try a make |
| 18:12.23 | Patlabor221 | that should make bzflagZ in the bin folder |
| 18:15.58 | bzgirl | make linux, then make? |
| 18:16.05 | bzgirl | or make all? |
| 18:16.14 | Patlabor221 | make linux |
| 18:16.15 | bzgirl | i never remember this :) |
| 18:16.16 | Patlabor221 | then make all |
| 18:16.18 | bzgirl | ok |
| 18:17.29 | bzgirl | ]angelina@pixie:~/bzx/BZFlag-Zero-SRC]$ make linux |
| 18:17.29 | bzgirl | Makefile:13: ../../Make-common: No such file or directory |
| 18:17.29 | bzgirl | make: *** No rule to make target `../../Make-common'. Stop. |
| 18:17.52 | bzgirl | thats with the new Makefiile |
| 18:17.53 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 18:17.57 | Patlabor221 | very odd |
| 18:18.42 | bzgirl | i can download the win32 one, play on my laptop |
| 18:18.55 | Patlabor221 | ok, I'm looking into it now, that bugs me |
| 18:19.04 | bzgirl | k |
| 18:19.04 | Patlabor221 | I thought I had it working |
| 18:19.08 | Patlabor221 | I'm sorry |
| 18:19.13 | bzgirl | dont be! |
| 18:19.20 | bzgirl | its ok. |
| 18:19.31 | Patlabor221 | I realy should make a tarball too |
| 18:19.46 | bzgirl | welll unzip works fine |
| 18:19.54 | Patlabor221 | not everyone has it |
| 18:20.08 | bzgirl | yeah i had to download it |
| 18:20.16 | Secret_Hamster | so you mean I've just spent the last 10 minutes downloading binary gibberish |
| 18:20.20 | Patlabor221 | funny your gonna use your laptop to use windows, I'm gonna use my laptop to use linux |
| 18:20.40 | bzgirl | my "chatop" dual boots debian and winxp |
| 18:20.52 | bzgirl | but i really like to keep it in debian :) |
| 18:20.58 | Patlabor221 | mine has 2 drives that I swap out |
| 18:21.08 | Patlabor221 | secret did you get soruce or the bin? |
| 18:21.29 | Secret_Hamster | When I had a laptop from work, I could get the battery to last twice as long on Linux as windows |
| 18:21.43 | Secret_Hamster | source |
| 18:21.46 | bzgirl | yeah dont run x :) |
| 18:21.54 | Patlabor221 | then you'll just need to get unzip |
| 18:21.55 | Secret_Hamster | no with X ! |
| 18:21.56 | Patlabor221 | and try it |
| 18:22.03 | Patlabor221 | it may work, it used to work for me |
| 18:22.58 | Patlabor221 | now who took my latptop? !! |
| 18:22.59 | stibnite | a |
| 18:23.03 | Secret_Hamster | no screen saver etc. I could get more than halfway across the atlantic with Linux. With Windows it used to die about a third the way into the flight |
| 18:23.42 | Patlabor221 | brb |
| 18:24.05 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: okay, i already got X. Too many none existant friends send me .zip stuff |
| 18:24.19 | Secret_Hamster | s/X/unzip |
| 18:24.54 | *** join/#bzflag lurgyman (~lurgyman@aden2-123-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 18:24.56 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: and a mac can play dvds all the way there and back |
| 18:25.06 | Secret_Hamster | lol |
| 18:25.31 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: :p |
| 18:25.33 | Secret_Hamster | I had a fried whos IBM thinkpad could watch 2 DVDs before it packed in |
| 18:25.37 | bzgirl | if i bought an mac notebook, i couldnt afford dvd;s |
| 18:25.52 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: wow |
| 18:26.09 | bzdoug__ | bzgirl: indeed, thats why you need lots of CASH! |
| 18:26.10 | Secret_Hamster | If you can afford a mac notebook you could probably buy Apple |
| 18:26.27 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 18:27.05 | sussudio | maybe you can trade some pigs for a mac |
| 18:27.52 | Secret_Hamster | British pigs are worth like a £1 each since the foot and mouth scare |
| 18:28.04 | *** join/#bzflag brat (~angelina@24.156.129.90) |
| 18:28.11 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:28.17 | Secret_Hamster | jeez how much crap is in this bzflag archive |
| 18:28.49 | Secret_Hamster | Stupid thing is there is more foot and mouth on the european continent. they just don't shout about it |
| 18:29.08 | sussudio | you could give the pigs some wigs and pretend it's a boyband |
| 18:29.15 | Patlabor221 | stipid blankty blank "WORK" they have to do with my poor laptop |
| 18:29.57 | Secret_Hamster | what is the set of commands $ make linux && make all && make install |
| 18:30.01 | sussudio | not friggin blankety blank |
| 18:30.23 | Patlabor221 | no make install |
| 18:30.24 | Secret_Hamster | cheque book and pen? |
| 18:30.28 | Patlabor221 | bz don';t have install |
| 18:30.55 | Secret_Hamster | hum only the british would get that lame joke |
| 18:31.33 | sussudio | gah. |
| 18:31.34 | Secret_Hamster | hum, just a few warnings flying past |
| 18:31.45 | sussudio | i'll give you a *)$#*@ cheque book and pen |
| 18:32.00 | Secret_Hamster | so what happens after make all |
| 18:32.20 | Secret_Hamster | make clean :) |
| 18:32.37 | Patlabor221 | you run it |
| 18:33.14 | Secret_Hamster | oops just realised, compiled it as root. ;) |
| 18:33.44 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:33.52 | Secret_Hamster | hum I need something faster than a Duron 850 |
| 18:34.36 | Secret_Hamster | i was installing some rpms and stuff, forgot to exit from root. |
| 18:36.59 | Secret_Hamster | Do you know it's proabaly a good idea I don't want kids. I could imagine the affliction of "verbal diarrhoea" is genetic |
| 18:37.33 | Secret_Hamster | so where is the binary supposed to appear |
| 18:37.38 | Patlabor221 | bin |
| 18:37.47 | Secret_Hamster | nothing in there |
| 18:37.58 | Patlabor221 | then I busted something |
| 18:38.00 | Patlabor221 | working it out now |
| 18:38.08 | Patlabor221 | well geting ISOs so I can work it out |
| 18:38.41 | bzdoug__ | ISOs? |
| 18:38.48 | bzdoug__ | what for? |
| 18:38.58 | Secret_Hamster | Linux I presume |
| 18:39.02 | Patlabor221 | my laptop is in use |
| 18:39.03 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:39.03 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 18:39.10 | bzdoug__ | windows comes on ISOs.... |
| 18:39.10 | Patlabor221 | so I just grabed a P3 450 |
| 18:39.10 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 18:39.24 | Patlabor221 | and I left my lin install CDs at home |
| 18:39.30 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 18:39.31 | Patlabor221 | tho would be faster to just go get them |
| 18:39.39 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 18:39.43 | bzdoug__ | I could email some |
| 18:39.44 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 18:39.53 | bzdoug__ | but thats not highly recommended |
| 18:39.53 | Patlabor221 | the number of comps under my desk is awe inspireing |
| 18:40.00 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: how many? |
| 18:40.13 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'll go home, thois is gonna take 2 hrs per |
| 18:40.23 | bzdoug__ | hah |
| 18:40.51 | Secret_Hamster | Mine too. 1x Duron (with aforementioned r128 graphics). 2x p166 one with 512k vga card and one with mach32 card |
| 18:41.02 | bzdoug__ | oh ick |
| 18:41.06 | bzdoug__ | ick ick ick |
| 18:41.27 | bzdoug__ | the duron is maybe a keeper... :P |
| 18:41.49 | captain_proton | doobeedoo |
| 18:42.00 | Secret_Hamster | well, the p166 were free, both with mach32s (on ereplaced with vga as it's only a FW) |
| 18:42.44 | Secret_Hamster | Remember, 1) I'm not an overpaid American 2) UK stuff is about 1.56x at least more expensive |
| 18:42.56 | Secret_Hamster | hello proton |
| 18:43.41 | Secret_Hamster | jeez that was precise 1.56. (I hate breaking in new keyboards) |
| 18:43.53 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:44.04 | bzdoug__ | Secret_Hamster: hah |
| 18:44.16 | bzdoug__ | captain_proton: your at work |
| 18:44.25 | *** join/#bzflag BeZee (BeZee@pD9E49D89.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:44.33 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:44.56 | captain_proton | bzdoug__: in fact i am not |
| 18:44.58 | Secret_Hamster | ohh .xpm BZflag icons |
| 18:45.00 | captain_proton | i was at work |
| 18:45.02 | captain_proton | until i left |
| 18:45.20 | bzdoug__ | ah? |
| 18:45.25 | bzdoug__ | thats a new one on me |
| 18:45.34 | bzdoug__ | ~seen fish |
| 18:45.35 | | bzdoug__: i haven't seen 'fish' |
| 18:45.49 | captain_proton | scanline: shh secret here: ITS might get defunded =) |
| 18:46.17 | Secret_Hamster | time for Robot Wars bbi45m |
| 18:46.21 | bzdoug__ | scanline: now about, oh, 23 other people know that secret, and also ibot logs all of it... |
| 18:46.28 | bzdoug__ | Hamster_afk: hahaha |
| 18:46.31 | *** join/#bzflag truenot (~3e67fb30@203.194.240.139) |
| 18:46.36 | bzdoug__ | truenot!!!! |
| 18:50.12 | scanline | captain_proton: defunded eh? |
| 18:50.31 | Patlabor221 | 1-P4 1-G3 1_P3:450 1-Celly666 1P3:600 |
| 18:50.38 | Patlabor221 | and a laptop somwwhere |
| 18:50.41 | bzdoug__ | 1 g3? |
| 18:50.44 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 18:50.48 | bzdoug__ | whats that for? |
| 18:50.53 | bzdoug__ | kicking? |
| 18:50.53 | bzdoug__ | :P |
| 18:51.10 | bzdoug__ | how do you switch among each puter? |
| 18:51.10 | bzdoug__ | KVM switch? |
| 18:51.40 | Patlabor221 | 4 of them are on an 8 port KVM |
| 18:51.49 | bzdoug__ | kewl |
| 18:51.57 | Patlabor221 | bahh the webcam won't pullback far enough |
| 18:52.07 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 18:52.16 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/webcam.html |
| 18:52.30 | Patlabor221 | ohh it's a G4 |
| 18:52.31 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 18:52.31 | Patlabor221 | damn |
| 18:52.34 | bzdoug__ | g4? |
| 18:52.35 | bzdoug__ | sweet |
| 18:52.38 | Patlabor221 | the G4 is in that dark space |
| 18:52.43 | bzdoug__ | oh? |
| 18:52.49 | bzdoug__ | G4s are black holes |
| 18:52.51 | bzdoug__ | :Z |
| 18:53.06 | Patlabor221 | then theere is 1 more to the right of the rightmost comp on the other side of the table leg |
| 18:53.21 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 18:54.00 | Patlabor221 | gonna run home and grab the CDs |
| 18:54.02 | Patlabor221 | rbr |
| 18:54.05 | bzdoug__ | rbr |
| 18:54.18 | Patlabor221 | raly wana figure out the build problem. |
| 18:54.24 | bzdoug__ | right back rall |
| 18:54.31 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 18:54.37 | bzdoug__ | great place you work at |
| 18:54.44 | bzdoug__ | boss wants half life servers setup |
| 18:55.09 | bzdoug__ | you can go home and nab cd-roms to install linux on a PC you found lying around, so you can fx bzflag |
| 18:55.12 | *** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 18:55.18 | bzdoug__ | isfry! |
| 18:55.24 | bzdoug__ | ~seen isfry |
| 18:55.24 | | isfry is currently on #bzflag (12s) |
| 18:55.26 | isfry | hey there |
| 18:55.56 | bzdoug__ | http://nownere.gov/ aint website |
| 18:56.08 | isfry | yeah i know =) |
| 18:56.19 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 18:57.49 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 18:57.58 | bzdoug__ | star trek theme while playing sub space |
| 18:57.59 | bzdoug__ | fun |
| 19:13.02 | Patlabor221 | no servers |
| 19:13.03 | Patlabor221 | server |
| 19:13.04 | Patlabor221 | just 1 |
| 19:13.08 | Patlabor221 | pass protected |
| 19:17.45 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug__ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 19:22.18 | Patlabor221 | hmm bat is dead in this machine |
| 19:22.44 | bzdoug__ | bat? |
| 19:22.48 | Patlabor221 | betery |
| 19:23.06 | Patlabor221 | electrical capacatance device |
| 19:23.10 | Patlabor221 | do not eat |
| 19:23.15 | Patlabor221 | do not dispose in fire |
| 19:23.22 | bzdoug__ | ah |
| 19:23.30 | bzdoug__ | ~spell batery |
| 19:23.31 | | possible spellings for batery: battery bater buttery bakery eatery watery betray Barry baiter barer barter barterer batter batterer batty beater boater artery Bary bate barters batters beaters boaters cattery |
| 19:23.41 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: what do you use for your webcam software? |
| 19:23.51 | Patlabor221 | realy crapy software |
| 19:23.59 | Patlabor221 | coffie cup software |
| 19:24.06 | bzdoug__ | ok... |
| 19:24.28 | Patlabor221 | sadly win is the only thing that recognises the cam |
| 19:25.35 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 19:25.37 | bzdoug__ | what model? |
| 19:26.38 | *** join/#bzflag rooter ([CpkcImLCm@webguy.cc.westga.edu) |
| 19:27.43 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
| 19:28.01 | rooter | feast or famine |
| 19:28.28 | bzdoug__ | bloody shareware stuff |
| 19:28.29 | Patlabor221 | that's the thing I don't know |
| 19:28.33 | Patlabor221 | it's the $17 |
| 19:28.33 | sussudio | pigdoug feast |
| 19:28.49 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : lsusb |
| 19:29.00 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 19:29.22 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:30.27 | Patlabor221 | I'll try that when lin gets installed |
| 19:30.37 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: you got realvideo installed? |
| 19:30.43 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 19:30.45 | bzdoug__ | k |
| 19:30.47 | Patlabor221 | real = ass |
| 19:30.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | ibot bzfquery ducati.bzflag.org:59999 |
| 19:31.03 | rooter | Want to play TeA? |
| 19:31.18 | [TeA|TrEE] | match? |
| 19:31.36 | rooter | well... i would have to find another penguin |
| 19:31.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | 5155 |
| 19:31.42 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 19:31.43 | rooter | k |
| 19:31.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | hehehe |
| 19:34.50 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: http://www.stratoware.com/webcam2000/download.html |
| 19:35.19 | Patlabor221 | I am not geting anything that says it's from "the ruler of the earth" |
| 19:35.42 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : you're running windows, arent you? |
| 19:36.18 | Patlabor221 | on the webcam macine yes |
| 19:36.29 | Patlabor221 | tho lin is installing now |
| 19:36.32 | sussudio | so there goes that theory.. bill thinks he's the ruler of the earth |
| 19:36.42 | Patlabor221 | since bastards took my laptop |
| 19:37.11 | Patlabor221 | but at least Bill dosn't put it on the box of his product |
| 19:37.29 | sussudio | Patlabor221 : do you ever read those EULA's? |
| 19:37.29 | bzdoug__ | http://heck.no-ip.com:8080 |
| 19:37.38 | Patlabor221 | no, I mean the BOX |
| 19:37.46 | Patlabor221 | this thing had it on the top of the site |
| 19:37.48 | sussudio | sure it is... just in .1 font |
| 19:38.08 | Patlabor221 | hey as long as I don't have to see |
| 19:38.15 | Patlabor221 | doug nice blank dork cam |
| 19:38.26 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 19:38.29 | bzdoug__ | its a microscope |
| 19:38.50 | Patlabor221 | riiigiht |
| 19:38.58 | bzdoug__ | it is |
| 19:39.05 | bzdoug__ | a intel play microscopte |
| 19:39.14 | bzdoug__ | gets some pretty good pictures too |
| 19:39.17 | Patlabor221 | did you get it for x-mas? |
| 19:39.25 | Patlabor221 | so you can look at bugs? |
| 19:39.37 | bzdoug__ | no |
| 19:39.44 | bzdoug__ | a while back |
| 19:39.56 | sussudio | micropigs |
| 19:40.52 | bzdoug__ | aha |
| 19:40.55 | bzdoug__ | I got it |
| 19:41.10 | bzdoug__ | holding a lens infront of it I can get into focus |
| 19:42.25 | sussudio | hmm i just used the naughty f-word 6 times in a sentence in #debian |
| 19:42.36 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 19:42.41 | bzdoug__ | how many words was there total? |
| 19:42.47 | sussudio | 10 or 11 |
| 19:43.05 | *** join/#bzflag Fanta (fantazee@p508F2133.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:43.09 | bzdoug__ | hmm |
| 19:43.14 | bzdoug__ | interesting |
| 19:43.15 | sussudio | i think i got my point across to polishboy |
| 19:43.27 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 19:43.28 | bzdoug__ | hm |
| 19:43.40 | sussudio | [20:40:14] <ariel[a]> hey somebody speak polishhhhhhh please help me |
| 19:43.41 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.49 | sussudio | he's been doing that for the last 2 days |
| 19:44.15 | bzdoug__ | lol |
| 19:44.34 | bzdoug__ | not in #debian anymore |
| 19:44.52 | sussudio | yes he is |
| 19:45.09 | bzdoug__ | look at webcam |
| 19:45.26 | Patlabor221 | did it get it? |
| 19:45.32 | bzdoug__ | ? |
| 19:45.55 | Patlabor221 | ohh thoguht you were talking about my silly thing |
| 19:45.59 | Patlabor221 | it was very silly |
| 19:46.06 | bzdoug__ | what silly thing? |
| 19:46.18 | Patlabor221 | I shall show you |
| 19:46.21 | bzdoug__ | at MY webcam |
| 19:46.36 | Patlabor221 | it's not a web cam if it's in a microscope |
| 19:46.45 | bzdoug__ | it is too |
| 19:46.54 | Patlabor221 | it's a web microscope |
| 19:46.56 | bzdoug__ | its got a real webcam cramped into the box |
| 19:47.03 | bzdoug__ | bah |
| 19:47.08 | Patlabor221 | my thing is much cooler |
| 19:47.21 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/silly.png |
| 19:49.14 | Secret_Hamster | what a life I have looking at other people's lame webcam photos! |
| 19:50.09 | Secret_Hamster | jesus, what size is your screen |
| 19:50.57 | Secret_Hamster | and your bzflag graphics look so cool |
| 19:53.57 | Secret_Hamster | hum have a guess what the Penetrator app does? |
| 20:04.57 | *** part/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 20:05.03 | *** join/#bzflag kuheuter (~booble@pD9E50A54.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:05.12 | kuheuter | lo |
| 20:05.15 | *** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@65.168.86.30) |
| 20:12.59 | Secret_Hamster | i'm just setting up for a screen shot to show you how bad my graphics are |
| 20:14.21 | Secret_Hamster | oh shit. you can't move the mouse pointer out of the window in Linux. even when it's not in focus |
| 20:14.39 | Secret_Hamster | how do I take a screen shot? |
| 20:14.59 | bzgirl | import -window root screen.png |
| 20:15.17 | bzgirl | or use screenshooter or gimp even |
| 20:15.43 | Secret_Hamster | yea but if I can't move the mouse pointer out of the window? |
| 20:16.02 | Secret_Hamster | I was gonna use import. |
| 20:16.06 | bzgirl | out of what window? |
| 20:16.13 | bzgirl | bz? |
| 20:16.17 | Secret_Hamster | yea |
| 20:16.30 | bzgirl | go to another tty |
| 20:16.45 | Secret_Hamster | can you run import from a terminal session and point it to an X session? |
| 20:17.03 | bzgirl | import -window root -delay 10 screen.png |
| 20:17.16 | bzgirl | that gives you 10 secs to go back into x |
| 20:17.19 | Secret_Hamster | ahh you can still type though |
| 20:17.35 | Secret_Hamster | np problem might be able to do it |
| 20:17.51 | Secret_Hamster | gonna do import -window screen.png |
| 20:19.56 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E96D0B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:20.42 | Secret_Hamster | okay how do I specify window ids? where are they stored? |
| 20:21.06 | bzgirl | man import? |
| 20:21.10 | bzgirl | not sure |
| 20:21.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:22.38 | [TeA|TrEE] | ui |
| 20:22.45 | [TeA|TrEE] | nearly got the 1400 points |
| 20:24.16 | Secret_Hamster | well you can doa display host:display[.screen] |
| 20:24.22 | Secret_Hamster | I'll try that |
| 20:29.28 | Secret_Hamster | well that worked. NOT |
| 20:30.00 | Secret_Hamster | tea any idea how to capture screenshots of BZ in Linux/ |
| 20:33.50 | Secret_Hamster | anyone know how to capture screen shots in Linux |
| 20:37.34 | Secret_Hamster | bahhhh |
| 20:38.57 | stibnite | i used to know |
| 20:39.02 | stibnite | hrm... |
| 20:39.08 | stibnite | i think it's wm-dependent |
| 20:39.23 | stibnite | what wm you use? |
| 20:39.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 20:39.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:39.45 | stibnite | oh my god CVS |
| 20:39.48 | stibnite | CVS! |
| 20:39.50 | stibnite | CVS !!!!! |
| 20:39.54 | stibnite | i'it's back! |
| 20:39.54 | Secret_Hamster | the problem is I could capture a window but I don't know the window id and I can't get it as bzflag won't let go of the mouse |
| 20:40.00 | captain_proton | CVS sux |
| 20:40.09 | stibnite | ah Secret_Hamster good point |
| 20:40.13 | sussudio | no its not |
| 20:40.31 | Secret_Hamster | I can't capture the whole window as I can't move windows to get a clear shot |
| 20:40.45 | sussudio | athlon:/home/sussudio/bzflag# cvs update |
| 20:40.45 | sussudio | cvs [update aborted]: end of file from server (consult above messages if any) |
| 20:41.39 | stibnite | yeah hamster i get it |
| 20:41.49 | stibnite | do you play -windowed ? |
| 20:41.53 | stibnite | or root? |
| 20:42.00 | Patlabor221 | what's wrong with having a 3200x1200 dekstop? |
| 20:42.11 | stibnite | nothing, afaik |
| 20:42.13 | Secret_Hamster | root normally, but I have it in window to capture |
| 20:42.22 | stibnite | your friends tend to drool on your desk? |
| 20:42.46 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: hum, I can't do over 1024x768 I run bzflag at 640x480 to get a decent speed |
| 20:43.30 | stibnite | cvs is back suss |
| 20:43.36 | stibnite | anoncvs anyway |
| 20:44.53 | Secret_Hamster | http://homepage.ntlworld.com/christian.chapman/screen.png |
| 20:45.01 | Secret_Hamster | go have a look |
| 20:45.10 | Secret_Hamster | anyway TV calls |
| 20:45.14 | Secret_Hamster | cya 2mrrw |
| 20:46.19 | stibnite | aha |
| 20:46.22 | stibnite | darn it |
| 20:46.29 | stibnite | i *just* got that info too |
| 20:47.02 | stibnite | apparently you just ssh into the box, (or use a vt), set DISPLAY correctly, resolve whatever xauth stuff is necessary |
| 20:47.06 | stibnite | then: |
| 20:47.55 | stibnite | importw -w root blah.png |
| 20:48.10 | stibnite | sorry |
| 20:48.15 | stibnite | importw-w root blah.png |
| 20:48.28 | stibnite | import -w root blah.png |
| 20:48.40 | stibnite | alternatively, you could bind a key in your wm to do that. |
| 20:48.45 | Patlabor221 | well I do have a bit better hardware then you do so that makes sense |
| 20:48.49 | stibnite | but all is well in my world. |
| 20:48.50 | stibnite | i have CVS. |
| 20:49.12 | Patlabor221 | what are you going to do with CVS tho? |
| 20:49.33 | stibnite | a couple things |
| 20:49.46 | stibnite | 1) replace hashmark's bzfs with 1_7 cvs |
| 20:50.03 | stibnite | 2) keep working on dns-based blacklisting |
| 20:52.13 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: type specifier omitted for parameter `boolean' |
| 20:52.13 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: parse error before `)' token |
| 20:52.13 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:98: base `ShotStrategy' with only non-default constructor in |
| 20:52.13 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.45 | stibnite | ooh |
| 20:52.50 | stibnite | typo! |
| 20:52.54 | sussudio | :-| |
| 20:53.18 | stibnite | src/bzfs/bzfs.cxx:5462 |
| 20:53.30 | stibnite | maxPlanaSpeedSqr should be maxPlanarSpeedSqr |
| 20:54.11 | Patlabor221 | who the hell checked that in? |
| 20:54.39 | stibnite | lets' see |
| 20:56.01 | *** join/#bzflag TimRiker (timr@rikers.org) |
| 20:56.21 | stibnite | chestal afai can tell |
| 20:56.29 | Patlabor221 | that won't even compile |
| 20:56.31 | Patlabor221 | odd |
| 20:56.38 | Patlabor221 | when? |
| 20:56.54 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 20:56.54 | stibnite | 5 hours ago |
| 20:57.00 | stibnite | nope definitely won't compile. |
| 20:57.12 | sussudio | neither does bzflag |
| 20:57.21 | Patlabor221 | i'd say fix it and put it back. |
| 20:57.42 | stibnite | but who would you say it to? |
| 20:57.50 | Chestal | it's already fixed |
| 20:58.02 | Chestal | I did not commit it, though tI had |
| 20:58.14 | Patlabor221 | see I just say stuff to the sky, and it gets fixed :) |
| 20:58.23 | Chestal | cvs up now |
| 20:58.51 | Patlabor221 | TimRiker: how's this for wide screen bz http:/www.bakadigital.com/silly.png |
| 21:00.45 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: type specifier omitted for parameter `boolean' |
| 21:00.46 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: parse error before `)' token |
| 21:00.46 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:98: base `ShotStrategy' with only non-default constructor in |
| 21:00.46 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.37 | stibnite | ok! |
| 21:04.43 | stibnite | wow i'm just beside myself |
| 21:04.55 | kuheuter | Patlabor221:what the hell is your screen resolution |
| 21:04.56 | kuheuter | ? |
| 21:05.34 | kuheuter | oh they are two of them |
| 21:05.48 | Patlabor221 | dual 19's |
| 21:06.04 | Patlabor221 | kinda small |
| 21:06.10 | Patlabor221 | just 1600x1200 on each |
| 21:07.09 | stibnite | i wonder if any bzflag server has ever been busy enough to reap benefits from accept filters |
| 21:08.01 | isfry | maybe is someone join with the -solo command set to 50 |
| 21:08.38 | sussudio | can someone fix ShotStrategy.cxx? |
| 21:09.33 | Chestal | didn't know it was broken? |
| 21:09.39 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: type specifier omitted for parameter `boolean' |
| 21:09.39 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:100: parse error before `)' token |
| 21:09.39 | sussudio | ShotStrategy.h:98: base `ShotStrategy' with only non-default constructor in |
| 21:09.39 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.45 | Chestal | when compiling whch file? |
| 21:10.01 | sussudio | .h |
| 21:10.22 | Chestal | boolean? |
| 21:10.27 | Chestal | there's no boolean n that file |
| 21:10.53 | sussudio | class SegmentedShotStrategy : public ShotStrategy { |
| 21:10.53 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.53 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.53 | sussudio | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.54 | Chestal | you sure your file is not messed up? |
| 21:11.00 | Chestal | that's not current CVS |
| 21:11.03 | sussudio | ?? |
| 21:11.22 | sussudio | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6110 Jan 17 21:46 ShotStrategy.h |
| 21:12.06 | Chestal | did you co 1_7? |
| 21:12.13 | sussudio | cvs update. |
| 21:12.20 | Chestal | do a cvs diff |
| 21:12.30 | Chestal | or a cvs up |
| 21:12.45 | Patlabor221 | when you did your co did you do -r v1_7 ? |
| 21:13.16 | Chestal | CVS/Tag should be Tv1_7 |
| 21:13.23 | sussudio | RCS file: /cvsroot/bzflag/bzflag/src/bzflag/ShotStrategy.h,v |
| 21:13.25 | sussudio | retrieving revision 1.6.2.6 |
| 21:13.25 | sussudio | diff -r1.6.2.6 ShotStrategy.h |
| 21:13.25 | sussudio | 100c100 |
| 21:13.25 | sussudio | < SegmentedShotStrategy(ShotPath*); |
| 21:13.25 | sussudio | --- |
| 21:13.26 | sussudio | > SegmentedShotStrategy(ShotPath*, boolean transparent); |
| 21:13.49 | Chestal | looks liek your patched your source in the past |
| 21:14.01 | sussudio | no i didnt |
| 21:14.15 | Chestal | delete that file and do cvs up |
| 21:14.45 | Patlabor221 | is this readable? http://www.bakadigital.com/ip.png |
| 21:15.27 | Chestal | I red Bzflag: Zorro |
| 21:15.42 | Patlabor221 | now that would be funny |
| 21:16.31 | sussudio | why was that needed? it was a clean cvs... i have the g0 source in a different directory |
| 21:16.31 | Patlabor221 | "hallo I am antonio banderans, and I shall be your tank" |
| 21:16.33 | Chestal | I want a Whip flag |
| 21:16.50 | Chestal | sussudio: as I said, it looks like you patched it |
| 21:17.05 | stibnite | oh how about a 'rhumba' flag |
| 21:17.07 | Patlabor221 | how about the ability to add a decal texture to people you just whuped, and they have to live with it for the rest of the game. |
| 21:17.12 | stibnite | that would be a most debilitating badflag |
| 21:18.07 | Patlabor221 | ok there, BZFZero has good make files again. |
| 21:18.25 | Patlabor221 | how do I make a tar/gzip file? |
| 21:19.41 | stibnite | tar czf yourfile.tar.gz yourdir |
| 21:20.28 | stibnite | if you want to live in the present, tar cjf yourfile.tar.bz2 yourdir |
| 21:21.12 | Patlabor221 | what is the dif? |
| 21:21.24 | Patlabor221 | ohh bz2 |
| 21:21.28 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 21:21.30 | Patlabor221 | I like bz |
| 21:23.09 | sussudio | Chestal : nope... i deleted the whole dir a few weeks ago and got everything clean |
| 21:23.33 | sussudio | anyway, keyboard controls seem to have improved over g0 |
| 21:23.46 | sussudio | was anything changed there? |
| 21:25.14 | Chestal | don't think so |
| 21:25.31 | sussudio | hmm |
| 21:28.39 | *** join/#bzflag wallydog (~me@66.159.175.247) |
| 21:28.49 | fiber1 | lo |
| 21:32.21 | stibnite | hehe |
| 21:32.22 | stibnite | bz good |
| 21:32.35 | stibnite | if it's a really old version of tar, you might have to use tar cIf |
| 21:32.59 | bzdoug__ | Patlabor221: how did you get it so wide? |
| 21:33.00 | bzdoug__ | :) |
| 21:33.02 | sussudio | why is someone with 2429ms lag not getting kicked on ducati? |
| 21:33.03 | Patlabor221 | it's redhat 8 |
| 21:33.18 | Patlabor221 | what do you mean doug? |
| 21:33.22 | Patlabor221 | that's my desktop |
| 21:33.27 | bzdoug__ | the bzflag |
| 21:33.27 | sussudio | btw bzflag doesnt check for duplicate keys in keymappings... |
| 21:33.32 | bzdoug__ | how did you get it so wide? |
| 21:33.37 | Patlabor221 | with new and imporived BG picture |
| 21:33.48 | bzdoug__ | heh |
| 21:33.50 | Patlabor221 | it's just running in a 3000 wide window |
| 21:34.00 | sussudio | imported? |
| 21:34.08 | bzdoug__ | wow |
| 21:35.24 | *** join/#bzflag HPP (~DB7654321@chcgil2-ar7-4-3-185-179.chcgil2.dsl-verizon.net) |
| 21:35.35 | sussudio | ~ducatictf |
| 21:35.54 | sussudio | damn. still not kicked. |
| 21:49.26 | *** join/#bzflag jesse (~jesse@slug.kci.net) |
| 21:50.08 | jesse | quick pole - would anyone be interested in a bzedit package (debian specifically, but rpm or tarball too, I suppose) |
| 21:51.44 | Patlabor221 | cap never made one of those? |
| 21:53.25 | jesse | don't know - I've searched some, and haven't come up w/ anything |
| 21:54.04 | Patlabor221 | well if you want I can put then in the download section on the BZEdit for window site, or link to a place where you want to put them, so people can get them. |
| 21:54.31 | jesse | linux binary, ie. ? |
| 21:54.39 | Patlabor221 | sure |
| 21:54.53 | Patlabor221 | I link to the linux sources |
| 21:54.57 | Patlabor221 | but people have problems building them |
| 21:54.59 | Patlabor221 | allt he time |
| 21:55.04 | jesse | yeah - I'm one of them :) |
| 21:55.18 | jesse | I figured if someone had it done, a binary would be handy for me and others |
| 21:56.11 | jesse | we put up a site recently, bzflag.kci.net, if you want a place to stick them |
| 21:56.23 | jesse | or the bzedit for windows site would work, too |
| 21:56.40 | Patlabor221 | it would be handy |
| 21:56.52 | Patlabor221 | just send me a link and i'll put it in my downloads section |
| 21:58.11 | jesse | I asked Tim Riker if he'd consider building a package - he requested I check on interest level for it |
| 21:58.21 | jesse | I haven't gotten it built yet |
| 21:58.27 | Patlabor221 | yea I don't think anyone has made one |
| 21:58.31 | jesse | I might keep working on it if need be |
| 21:58.39 | Patlabor221 | I have not ever seen a package |
| 21:58.45 | jesse | I could do an rpm and of course tarball .. never made a .deb before |
| 21:58.50 | Patlabor221 | I thought you had one, sorry |
| 21:58.58 | jesse | yeah, me too :) |
| 21:59.11 | Patlabor221 | anything you make would be nice for people to have. |
| 21:59.12 | jesse | you ever built the binary? |
| 21:59.19 | jesse | I have library problems... |
| 21:59.34 | jesse | got ./configure happy, but gcc still fails |
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| 22:01.38 | kuheuter | la |
| 22:03.01 | stibnite | hrm |
| 22:03.15 | stibnite | is there any way to use countdown to shutdown a game in progress? |
| 22:03.16 | Patlabor221 | you have gnome headers and all that? |
| 22:03.44 | stibnite | on a game that did not have a time-limit set at the beginning? |
| 22:04.29 | kuheuter | the directX samples in the sdk are quite frowsily |
| 22:05.26 | Patlabor221 | so it most of the API |
| 22:06.39 | kuheuter | thats sad because it is pretty nice, if better organize the source code of the samples |
| 22:09.50 | jesse | stibnite: I don't think so - you could connect and announce it's over in 10 minutes, then kill it |
| 22:10.43 | stibnite | yeah, that's about all i thought i could do. |
| 22:10.48 | jesse | there is a /countdown command, but I don't know if it's retroactive |
| 22:10.55 | jesse | I can test real quick... |
| 22:11.24 | stibnite | yeah it doesn't accept an arg afaik |
| 22:12.23 | kuheuter | hm, looks like christina aguilera is better now than britney spears to me |
| 22:13.31 | jesse | I think /countdown will immediately end an untimed game - the flags all disappear and new ones show up |
| 22:13.49 | hardwire | http://www.scorchedearth3d.net |
| 22:14.43 | jesse | score didn't reset, though... |
| 22:16.56 | kuheuter | yeah |
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| 22:19.40 | sussudio | insect_power2 : you like big ugly fake boobs then? |
| 22:20.04 | insect_power2 | tome christina's look pretty real |
| 22:20.18 | sussudio | it's called denial |
| 22:20.35 | insect_power2 | ha? |
| 22:21.17 | *** part/#bzflag jesse (~jesse@slug.kci.net) |
| 22:21.28 | insect_power2 | i thing that christia is muchmore confident thn britney => more attractive |
| 22:22.43 | insect_power2 | it should be <=> |
| 22:24.07 | insect_power2 | when im done with study i want to get at least half as much salary as patlabor |
| 22:26.04 | insect_power2 | then i could make big visits to in-n-out every day |
| 22:26.25 | insect_power2 | that would be very funny and tasty |
| 22:26.29 | insect_power2 | i imagine |
| 22:27.56 | insect_power2 | Hamster_afk: i saw you byuing a hotdog |
| 22:28.21 | bzdoug_ | if he got a hotdog, he aint here |
| 22:28.51 | insect_power2 | ~true |
| 22:29.13 | bzdoug_ | ~die |
| 22:29.14 | | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 22:29.17 | bzdoug_ | ~pig insect_power2 |
| 22:29.19 | | insect_power2 is 94% pig! |
| 22:29.22 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer insect_power2 |
| 22:29.22 | | 'insect_power2' is 19.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 22:29.26 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:29.32 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer bob |
| 22:29.32 | | 'bob' is 0.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 22:29.43 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer @$%#%^[]=-=-= |
| 22:29.43 | | '@$%#%^[]=-=-=' is 99.9926% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 22:29.46 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 22:29.48 | insect_power2 | oh that much already my metamorphosys almost done |
| 22:29.55 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:30.19 | stibnite | does anybody remember what the settings were on turkey when it was running the map that hashmark is running now? |
| 22:31.01 | insect_power2 | of coz not |
| 22:31.01 | sussudio | 7 shot rico jump OO GM ST SR? |
| 22:31.03 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
| 22:31.16 | bzdoug_ | nooooo, 100 shot |
| 22:31.18 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 22:31.20 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 22:31.20 | | shut up doug |
| 22:31.27 | bzdoug_ | my servers are at 100 shot |
| 22:31.33 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 22:31.34 | | shut up doug |
| 22:31.36 | bzdoug_ | uses up a flat ton of bandwidth |
| 22:31.44 | captain_proton | ~sud |
| 22:31.45 | | shut up doug |
| 22:31.53 | bzdoug_ | ~sussudiooo |
| 22:31.54 | | the cow that went oink |
| 22:32.33 | bzdoug_ | ~captain_proton? |
| 22:32.34 | | well, captain_proton is Mr. Aphenphosmphobia, or |
| 22:33.04 | bzdoug_ | ~captain_protonn |
| 22:33.09 | *** join/#bzflag wallydog (~me@66.159.175.247) |
| 22:33.28 | insect_power2 | ~cell |
| 22:33.29 | | it has been said that cell is the biggest cheat that has now his own 3D math library full off quaternions |
| 22:34.08 | stibnite | :( |
| 22:34.13 | stibnite | 63551 nate 56 0 2128K 1812K RUN 5:19 56.93% 56.93% bzfs |
| 22:34.26 | stibnite | so much for cvs. :\ |
| 22:37.39 | insect_power2 | how does the Union Find structure work? |
| 22:38.12 | captain_proton | union find? |
| 22:38.48 | insect_power2 | a tree with path compression or smth like that |
| 22:40.11 | insect_power2 | what is a perfect matching? |
| 22:40.39 | sussudio | your face, dieter's ass? |
| 22:40.54 | stibnite | is there a way in bzfs config to specify that EXACTLY n flags of type x are to be placed? |
| 22:40.56 | insect_power2 | oh, ok |
| 22:41.45 | sussudio | well yeah. just do +F flag +F flag +F flag |
| 22:41.45 | captain_proton | stibnite: right now, i don't believe so |
| 22:41.46 | stibnite | for example, say i want 100 random flags, but of that bunch, i want to have exactly 3 laser, 4 OO, 2 ST, and 3 SW |
| 22:41.49 | stibnite | ok |
| 22:42.12 | stibnite | so the only way would be to generate the set myself, and put in 100 flag definitions on the cmdline? |
| 22:42.16 | insect_power2 | can quadrengel be linear interpolated? |
| 22:42.32 | sussudio | if you have max flags set to 10 and you want, for example 3 lasers, +f L +f L +f L should do it |
| 22:43.09 | stibnite | yes, but what prevents no more random lasers being generated? |
| 22:43.22 | sussudio | assign the rest of the flags? |
| 22:43.30 | stibnite | yeah that's what i though. |
| 22:43.33 | stibnite | *thought. |
| 22:43.43 | stibnite | thanks. :) |
| 22:44.22 | insect_power2 | Prof:plz explain the pumping lemma, what is it? |
| 22:44.49 | insect_power2 | i got the most difficult questions |
| 22:44.52 | stibnite | is random flag generation truly random? or is preference placed on certain flags? |
| 22:45.20 | Patlabor221 | I think there is an alogo that picks where to put them, like NOT on buildings and stuff |
| 22:45.26 | Patlabor221 | and minimum distances from walls |
| 22:45.35 | stibnite | but as for flag type |
| 22:45.45 | stibnite | is it equal-weight? |
| 22:45.47 | Patlabor221 | yay BZFlag:zero now has tarballs |
| 22:45.58 | sussudio | flags like open spaces |
| 22:46.11 | stibnite | yes, sorry if i'm not being clear |
| 22:46.34 | insect_power2 | Prof: what automaton would accept palindroms? |
| 22:46.42 | stibnite | i'm not concerned with where the flags are placed |
| 22:47.17 | stibnite | i just want to know, if bzfs is left to its own devices, and places 100 flags, is there an equal distribution of flag types? |
| 22:47.31 | sussudio | no |
| 22:47.35 | stibnite | or is it coded to place certain types of flags more often than others? |
| 22:47.43 | sussudio | it's random. |
| 22:48.05 | stibnite | ok. so assuming both are allowed, i'm just as likely to grab GM as i am to grab -> |
| 22:48.08 | stibnite | ? |
| 22:48.20 | sussudio | 50/50 |
| 22:49.06 | stibnite | k, ty |
| 22:49.24 | sussudio | although for some reason bad flags seem to linger near the outer wall |
| 22:49.54 | stibnite | against the wall, smoking cigarrettes... probably dealing drugs |
| 22:52.53 | stibnite | hrm... i wonder if -L +f100 +L +L +L |
| 22:53.03 | stibnite | erm |
| 22:53.15 | stibnite | hrm... i wonder if -L +s100 +L +L +L |
| 22:53.49 | stibnite | do you suppose that those args might cause 100 random flags to be generated, WITHOUT laser? then add 3 laser? |
| 22:54.40 | stibnite | sorry, that was supposed to be -f L +s100 +L +L +L |
| 22:54.53 | stibnite | does that make sense to anybody? |
| 22:58.54 | *** join/#bzflag proton-work (~jupiter@aden2-23-dhcp.resnet.Colorado.EDU) |
| 23:01.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | night all |
| 23:01.26 | *** part/#bzflag [TeA|TrEE] (~Nicholas@pD9E96D0B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:07.05 | stibnite | btw |
| 23:07.07 | stibnite | that worked |
| 23:07.08 | stibnite | :D |
| 23:09.11 | bzdoug_ | :D |
| 23:09.33 | bzdoug_ | ') |
| 23:12.02 | stibnite | oh yeah |
| 23:12.08 | stibnite | e6 way bettah |
| 23:14.42 | bzdoug_ | hmm, nethack... |
| 23:14.44 | bzdoug_ | in 3d form |
| 23:14.53 | Patlabor221 | you mean everquest? |
| 23:17.14 | Patlabor221 | you missed the evertank discusion last night |
| 23:19.17 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 23:19.18 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 23:19.35 | bzdoug_ | NetHack falcons eye |
| 23:19.40 | bzdoug_ | http://www.hut.fi/~jtpelto2/nhlinks.html |
| 23:19.41 | Patlabor221 | evertank will roxor |
| 23:19.47 | bzdoug_ | free? |
| 23:20.42 | Patlabor221 | evertank will ownzor you |
| 23:20.47 | Patlabor221 | and dro phat lwew |
| 23:20.54 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.138) |
| 23:20.58 | Patlabor221 | and have druid tanks that are all in tue with nature and crap |
| 23:21.16 | bzdoug_ | evertank... |
| 23:21.23 | bzdoug_ | like everquest... but with tanks no? |
| 23:21.59 | sussudio | no, like frogger with tanks |
| 23:22.09 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:22.35 | bzdoug_ | nethack isnt a multiplayer game? |
| 23:24.14 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 23:24.21 | Patlabor221 | and it will never be |
| 23:24.50 | Patlabor221 | that's not real 3d |
| 23:24.54 | Patlabor221 | that's 3d iso |
| 23:24.57 | Patlabor221 | 2d iso even |
| 23:25.02 | Patlabor221 | diablo style |
| 23:25.11 | *** join/#bzflag isfry (~Fry@216.77.205.217) |
| 23:25.20 | Patlabor221 | still interesting. |
| 23:27.20 | Patlabor221 | there we go one updated page with tarbals, and zips, and bins |
| 23:28.27 | stibnite | nice |
| 23:28.40 | stibnite | the server works perfectly now |
| 23:29.06 | stibnite | that was a tricky setup though |
| 23:29.14 | stibnite | thank goodness his prosthetic penis is on my side |
| 23:29.27 | stibnite | i teach the kid all about unix, and he shows me bzflag |
| 23:29.33 | stibnite | good trade, imo |
| 23:30.39 | Patlabor221 | if you use CVS there is a config file now |
| 23:30.53 | Patlabor221 | you can put all those options in there and not have to remmber them |
| 23:31.11 | stibnite | which options? |
| 23:31.19 | Patlabor221 | server start option |
| 23:31.24 | stibnite | oh. |
| 23:31.29 | Patlabor221 | instead of on the command line |
| 23:31.40 | stibnite | yeah- it ends up being pretty similar for me |
| 23:31.52 | stibnite | i run it with daemontools, so i just keep editing svc/run |
| 23:32.03 | stibnite | and then /shutdownserver to take the changes |
| 23:32.06 | Patlabor221 | AHHH |
| 23:32.21 | stibnite | it also is nice for debugging |
| 23:32.24 | bzdoug_ | AHHH |
| 23:32.31 | Patlabor221 | so are debugers :) |
| 23:32.38 | stibnite | since i run the server in the foreground, and use multilog to handle the output |
| 23:33.17 | stibnite | it won't let the logs take up more than 9mb at atime, so i can keep debug logs for bugreports, AND not worry about filling disk logs |
| 23:34.00 | stibnite | yeah i don't do the debugger because i don't want the overhead of having to run 'screen' on the serve |
| 23:34.03 | stibnite | *server |
| 23:35.04 | Patlabor221 | but I'm no server admin |
| 23:35.05 | stibnite | yeah- i provide service first, debugging second. hashmark is mostly for playin'. :) |
| 23:35.11 | Patlabor221 | so it's a difrent type of debugin :) |
| 23:35.32 | Patlabor221 | my debgin has lots of bad words |
| 23:35.38 | stibnite | hehe |
| 23:35.42 | Patlabor221 | and shouts of "why would you do this@!!!!" |
| 23:35.49 | stibnite | ha |
| 23:36.02 | stibnite | i wish i could do nothing but bzflag on that box |
| 23:36.10 | Patlabor221 | "God this makes no sense" is heard too |
| 23:36.16 | stibnite | unfortunately if it uses more than about 10% cpu i have to kill it. :\ |
| 23:36.36 | Patlabor221 | I have piles of computers |
| 23:37.02 | stibnite | me too- it just seems like the ones with tier1 internet connections are fewer and farther between. :P |
| 23:37.09 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:37.30 | Patlabor221 | I only have my 1 T1 |
| 23:37.39 | Patlabor221 | and 5 comps under my desk hooked to it |
| 23:37.49 | stibnite | i'm planning on bringing up another server in the next couple months, too. :) |
| 23:37.58 | stibnite | in NYC |
| 23:38.06 | stibnite | not sure what config to run though... |
| 23:38.20 | Patlabor221 | see this is why we need server/server links and rooms |
| 23:38.33 | Patlabor221 | then you can run any number of configs on the same server |
| 23:38.54 | bzdoug_ | hmmm |
| 23:38.56 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 23:39.17 | Patlabor221 | and people could connect to the server coloset to them |
| 23:39.21 | stibnite | i have considered setting up several configs, and rotating them |
| 23:39.24 | Patlabor221 | then we make EverTANK |
| 23:39.29 | stibnite | oh i see |
| 23:39.34 | bzdoug_ | hah |
| 23:39.40 | bzdoug_ | I did a google on evertank |
| 23:39.41 | stibnite | you're talking about an irc-like topology |
| 23:39.46 | bzdoug_ | ~google for evertank |
| 23:39.46 | Patlabor221 | I mean where each server has n game states |
| 23:39.50 | Patlabor221 | sorta |
| 23:40.18 | stibnite | well, let me get it straight- are you talking about a single game, multiple servers? |
| 23:40.24 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: I would rather have teleports that can make a client reconnect at a diferent port/server |
| 23:40.44 | Patlabor221 | that is a short sighted solution |
| 23:40.56 | Patlabor221 | I am talking about that yes |
| 23:41.01 | stibnite | i see. |
| 23:41.09 | Patlabor221 | but then also multiples of those |
| 23:41.12 | stibnite | that would require a very fast server<-->server link |
| 23:41.17 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:41.33 | stibnite | do you have the guts to code it? |
| 23:41.37 | stibnite | i could provide the links. |
| 23:41.42 | Patlabor221 | dosnt' realy take guts |
| 23:41.47 | Patlabor221 | just a good back end |
| 23:41.50 | stibnite | s/guts/gobs of time/ |
| 23:42.01 | stibnite | and pat, i'm not touching your backend, no way, no how. |
| 23:42.07 | Patlabor221 | more needs to be done first |
| 23:42.09 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 23:42.13 | Patlabor221 | like true server side states |
| 23:42.32 | Patlabor221 | but I would also like to see each server have N configurable "rooms" |
| 23:42.41 | Patlabor221 | where each room is a map/gamestate |
| 23:42.49 | Patlabor221 | and the ability to jump between them |
| 23:43.05 | Patlabor221 | then some of those rooms could be tied to rooms on other servers |
| 23:43.26 | Patlabor221 | so you could run 1 multi server game and say 3 smaller single server games |
| 23:43.43 | Patlabor221 | and allow admins to make temp rooms for matches or what have you |
| 23:43.56 | Patlabor221 | then lock them to new player adds, and just let observers pop in. |
| 23:44.07 | Patlabor221 | it's sorta the way subspace did it. |
| 23:48.24 | stibnite | sounds neat |
| 23:49.17 | Patlabor221 | or I could just be talkin out my ass, I haven't decided yet |
| 23:58.16 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:58.30 | bzdoug_ | what would happen if one shot through a server teleport? |
| 23:58.44 | bzdoug_ | would the bullet apear on the other end? :{ |
| 23:59.28 | bzdoug_ | :} |
