| 00:00.06 | bzdoug_ | ISP decided to change my ip and gateway |
| 00:00.37 | bzdoug_ | ahhh, isnt that clever? http://www.tcl.tk |
| 00:02.49 | corndawg | boy that was fun |
| 00:02.59 | corndawg | Jormungandr: there was 8 users on dragon.org :) |
| 00:08.13 | Jormungandr | just now? |
| 00:08.29 | corndawg | there was bout 30 mins ago when i joined |
| 00:08.35 | Jormungandr | cool :) |
| 00:08.39 | corndawg | when i left for dinner there was 4 still playing |
| 00:08.42 | Jormungandr | it seems to be a popular map. |
| 00:08.46 | corndawg | yea |
| 00:09.10 | Jormungandr | a few flags are making there way to the top |
| 00:09.18 | corndawg | cool |
| 00:10.57 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 00:11.23 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery dragon.org:5155 |
| 00:11.49 | bzdoug_ | ~dragon is <reply> bzfquery dragon.org:5155 |
| 00:11.51 | | bzdoug_: okay |
| 00:11.58 | bzdoug_ | ~dragon? |
| 00:12.00 | | bzfquery dragon.org:5155 |
| 00:12.02 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:12.09 | bzdoug_ | how did he do that? |
| 00:12.21 | corndawg | lol |
| 00:12.55 | Jormungandr | ~dragon |
| 00:12.57 | | bzfquery dragon.org:5155 |
| 00:13.06 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 00:13.49 | corndawg | brb gonna eat dinner |
| 00:14.10 | Jormungandr | I'm eating mine at my desk. roast beef sandwich and fries. |
| 00:16.05 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:16.07 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl8x124.chesco.com) |
| 00:16.21 | bzdoug_ | 'lo MrApathyCream!!!!!! |
| 00:16.25 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 00:18.52 | bzdoug_ | hmm, guess not |
| 00:19.47 | bzdoug_ | hmm, I guess so |
| 00:22.06 | bzdoug_ | you dont type START then press shutdown, then get an option on wether or not you want to shutdown, log off, reboot, hybernate, or standby |
| 00:25.31 | Jormungandr | hrm.. I should try putting my video card in 933 mhz p3 box that I have and see if it plays bzflag okay. |
| 00:25.39 | Jormungandr | if it does then it's not the vid card. |
| 00:25.45 | Jormungandr | if it doesn't then it is. |
| 00:26.33 | bzdoug_ | jm |
| 00:26.35 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:26.55 | bzdoug_ | but the mac card might not work in a PC |
| 00:27.01 | bzdoug_ | it might |
| 00:27.12 | Jormungandr | dude... you don't pay attention much. :) |
| 00:27.20 | Jormungandr | I have 2 computers... pc and mac. |
| 00:27.25 | Jormungandr | mac won't work cuz vid is too slow |
| 00:27.30 | Jormungandr | pc crashes. |
| 00:27.39 | Jormungandr | cuz vid card is wacked (i think) |
| 00:27.55 | Jormungandr | I have extra hardware laying around |
| 00:28.11 | Jormungandr | so I can put pc vid card in different case/mb/proc/etc |
| 00:28.15 | Jormungandr | and see if it works. |
| 00:28.33 | Jormungandr | if bzflag doesn't crash, then problem is mb or something from my athon box. |
| 00:28.43 | Jormungandr | if it does, I return vid card. |
| 00:29.20 | fiberchunks | what kind of box is the card in now? (processor-wise) |
| 00:29.30 | Jormungandr | athlon 2100+ |
| 00:29.48 | Jormungandr | gigabyte motherboard. |
| 00:29.52 | fiberchunks | do you have the append="mem=nopentium" line in your lilo.conf? |
| 00:29.56 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:30.05 | Jormungandr | grub.conf ;) |
| 00:30.06 | fiberchunks | ah, k -- I'm at my limit :) |
| 00:30.10 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:30.20 | Jormungandr | I'll try it with other machine and see. |
| 00:30.22 | Jormungandr | can't hurt. |
| 00:30.27 | Jormungandr | and I have next 2 days off. |
| 00:30.39 | fiberchunks | this is strange though -- a lot of linux people are reporting this problem |
| 00:30.41 | Jormungandr | friday I get my sidekick *cheer!* |
| 00:30.46 | bzdoug_ | oooh, thats annoying... a monitor decides to start making a funny noise |
| 00:30.50 | Jormungandr | which problem, fiber? |
| 00:31.02 | bzdoug_ | high pitched noise |
| 00:31.03 | fiberchunks | the crash / freeze prob. with bz under linux |
| 00:31.06 | bzdoug_ | very anooying |
| 00:31.08 | Jormungandr | ah. |
| 00:31.20 | bzdoug_ | Jormungandr: redhat 8? |
| 00:31.28 | Jormungandr | I can at least get console and kill bzflag |
| 00:31.30 | Jormungandr | yes, doug |
| 00:31.34 | bzdoug_ | oh my |
| 00:31.37 | bzdoug_ | thats your problem |
| 00:31.38 | fiberchunks | used to happen to me, til I upgraded my driver, and distro (mdk 9 and NVIDIA 4291 (or whatever latest is))( |
| 00:31.39 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:31.56 | bzdoug_ | redhat 8 has something terribly wrong with bzflag |
| 00:32.03 | bzdoug_ | you just upgraded? |
| 00:32.10 | Jormungandr | I if bzflag runs, it is okay. |
| 00:32.19 | fiberchunks | used to lock hard with me (and occasionally soft-lock the system), but that hasn't happened in some time now |
| 00:32.20 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 00:32.29 | Jormungandr | it crashes when I run 'insmod agpgart' |
| 00:32.30 | bzdoug_ | hardware then... |
| 00:32.33 | Jormungandr | reboot smachine. |
| 00:32.40 | bzdoug_ | but redhat DID have problems |
| 00:32.52 | Jormungandr | it runs fine when it runs (on redhat) |
| 00:32.57 | bzdoug_ | libtcl8.4.so.... does anyone have that file? |
| 00:33.01 | Jormungandr | If I can get the gart to load, it works. |
| 00:33.17 | fiberchunks | what type of vid card? |
| 00:33.22 | fiberchunks | and what AGP chipset? |
| 00:33.29 | Jormungandr | radeon 9700 pro |
| 00:33.34 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 00:33.41 | bzdoug_ | real people use nvidias |
| 00:33.59 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:34.03 | bzdoug_ | just checkin |
| 00:34.08 | Jormungandr | ignore the man behind the curtain. |
| 00:34.27 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:34.28 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 00:34.42 | Jormungandr | nope |
| 00:34.48 | Jormungandr | well, it might |
| 00:34.50 | fiberchunks | comes with mandrake |
| 00:34.52 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 00:34.56 | bzdoug_ | nope |
| 00:35.04 | jzaun | bzdoug_: it does |
| 00:35.09 | jzaun | bzdoug_: just have to install it |
| 00:35.09 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: why don't you try a real distro? |
| 00:35.14 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 00:35.19 | jzaun | bzdoug_: but its an older version |
| 00:35.27 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea |
| 00:35.29 | jzaun | bzdoug_: best to just checkout CVS :-) |
| 00:35.38 | bzdoug_ | but I installed EVERYTHING on all 3 cds |
| 00:35.40 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 00:35.47 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator: ick, like debian? |
| 00:35.58 | jzaun | bzdoug_: um, why on eazrth would you do that? |
| 00:36.02 | fiberchunks | nah, like LFS |
| 00:36.07 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator: the distro that takes a full day to install from scratch |
| 00:36.19 | bzdoug_ | fiberchunks: ugh, your grossing me out |
| 00:36.28 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: hmm, good question |
| 00:37.07 | fiberchunks | aight, chow time -- bbiaw |
| 00:37.12 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:37.16 | bzdoug_ | ~bbiaw |
| 00:41.49 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: the best distro is gentoo, and that takes more than a day to install on a slow machine |
| 00:42.00 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: but a distro can't be judged by the time it takes to install |
| 00:42.20 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: a distro must be judged by the effectiveness with which it performs the applications you intend to run |
| 00:43.02 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator: and redhat is pretty darn good for a desktop syste, |
| 00:43.05 | bzdoug_ | system |
| 00:43.08 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:43.34 | Jormungandr | a distro that takes more than a day to istall isn't practical (from an administrator's point of view) |
| 00:44.07 | bzdoug_ | Jormungandr: exactly |
| 00:44.14 | bzdoug_ | I have dual cdrom in my computer |
| 00:44.26 | bzdoug_ | I stick cdrom 1 and cdrom 2 in both drives |
| 00:44.41 | bzdoug_ | it boots, I configure it... |
| 00:44.51 | bzdoug_ | then if I notice its installing off the 2nd cd, I take out cd 1 and put in cd 3 |
| 00:44.55 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:45.01 | bzdoug_ | no interuptions |
| 00:45.02 | Jormungandr | I like redhat installs. I am not fond of the extra crap it starts up when you install it. |
| 00:45.36 | Jormungandr | but I've run redhat on servers for a while now (95ish) |
| 00:45.53 | Jormungandr | before that it was slackware then before that a little known dist called SLS |
| 00:46.02 | Jormungandr | SLS was pre everything. |
| 00:46.22 | Jormungandr | I did install linux when there were no dists. |
| 00:46.26 | Jormungandr | that was fun. |
| 00:46.31 | Jormungandr | kernel 0.96 |
| 00:47.01 | Jormungandr | we used to have install parties. |
| 00:47.44 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:48.49 | Jormungandr | my unix experience before linux was SCO, Convergent Unix (svr4), and irix. |
| 00:48.59 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 00:49.08 | bzdoug_ | but no windows nor macintosh? |
| 00:49.10 | Jormungandr | oh, and at&t unix. svr3.51 |
| 00:49.12 | bzdoug_ | ;) |
| 00:49.17 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:49.26 | Jormungandr | I had lots of windows and mac experience. |
| 00:49.31 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:50.17 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 00:50.29 | Jormungandr | that's when I went into the air force. |
| 00:50.41 | Jormungandr | was small computer admin for squadron. |
| 00:50.45 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 00:50.47 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:50.49 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 00:51.00 | Jormungandr | stayed in for 9 years. learned a lot. |
| 00:51.00 | *** join/#bzflag trepan (trepan@CPE0040f42db082-CM00e06f15f704.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 00:51.08 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 00:52.05 | Jormungandr | vnc |
| 00:52.14 | Jormungandr | closest you'll find, other than X. |
| 00:52.17 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 00:52.19 | Jormungandr | oh. |
| 00:52.22 | bzdoug_ | I thought there was something else |
| 00:52.22 | Jormungandr | you mean client? |
| 00:52.26 | bzdoug_ | yea.. |
| 00:52.30 | Jormungandr | rdesktop |
| 00:52.33 | bzdoug_ | but a server would be nice too |
| 00:52.35 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 00:52.45 | Jormungandr | also.. ica client from citrix for linux. |
| 00:52.50 | Jormungandr | java one works, too. |
| 00:52.51 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 00:52.54 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:53.18 | Jormungandr | rdesktop will connect to windows terminal services. |
| 00:53.21 | bzdoug_ | but is it possible to have VNC setup so when it starts you get dropped to a login menu, then you login like normal? |
| 00:53.58 | *** join/#bzflag paul (~paul@hibernia.jakma.org) |
| 00:54.01 | Jormungandr | in a way I guess it could. I haven't tried vnc on linux (just mac and windows) |
| 00:54.17 | Jormungandr | vnc is a lot slower than terminal services. |
| 00:54.19 | bzdoug_ | yea, me too |
| 00:54.22 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:54.40 | bzdoug_ | I want something as fast as terminal services, but on thelinux side |
| 00:55.11 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:55.12 | Jormungandr | I generally use xterm from my server... I really would never need vnc |
| 00:55.23 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:55.32 | Jormungandr | I am a command line monkey |
| 00:55.41 | Jormungandr | gui == gooey |
| 00:55.47 | bzdoug_ | bah |
| 00:55.53 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 00:55.56 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 00:56.05 | bzdoug_ | a packet sniffer |
| 00:56.16 | Jormungandr | which? |
| 00:56.39 | bzdoug_ | ethereal |
| 00:56.47 | Jormungandr | heh... my internet provider calls me when he wants to spy on his own network from another machine. :) |
| 00:56.54 | bzdoug_ | cool, I just sniffed my own IRC chat |
| 00:56.57 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 00:56.58 | Jormungandr | w00 |
| 00:57.00 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 00:57.07 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 00:57.26 | bzdoug_ | now I want to do is get this linux box setup as a firewall/router + a VPN |
| 00:57.39 | bzdoug_ | and maybe a fileserver... |
| 00:57.42 | Jormungandr | there is vpn software (free) for linux |
| 00:57.46 | Jormungandr | fileserver is easy. |
| 00:57.49 | Jormungandr | we are doing that at home |
| 00:57.58 | Jormungandr | it was a router until we got cable. |
| 00:58.11 | Jormungandr | we had DSL and switched to cable. |
| 00:58.24 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 00:58.26 | Patlabor221 | doug why don't you get a little DSL router? |
| 00:58.39 | Jormungandr | cable/dsl routers are DIRT cheap. |
| 00:58.39 | bzdoug_ | I DO have a "little" dsl router |
| 00:58.44 | bzdoug_ | but its sooo lame |
| 00:58.45 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 00:58.53 | Patlabor221 | in what way? |
| 00:58.53 | bzdoug_ | wont forward UDP packets |
| 00:58.59 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 00:59.03 | Patlabor221 | what kind you have? |
| 00:59.05 | Patlabor221 | mine will |
| 00:59.07 | bzdoug_ | asante |
| 00:59.08 | Jormungandr | time for a new router :) |
| 00:59.13 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 00:59.25 | Patlabor221 | spend $40 and get a little gigafast |
| 00:59.33 | Patlabor221 | think kicks ass |
| 00:59.51 | bzdoug_ | ugh, and I want to hone up on my linux ski11z |
| 00:59.52 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 01:00.08 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: so work on it |
| 01:00.21 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator? |
| 01:00.31 | gonkulator | work on your linux skills |
| 01:00.35 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 01:00.52 | bzdoug_ | but I want a gui |
| 01:01.12 | bzdoug_ | config files are lame if there is a gui |
| 01:01.37 | Jormungandr | linux skills <> gui ???? |
| 01:01.52 | bzdoug_ | Jormungandr: bah |
| 01:02.17 | Jormungandr | gui is all look and no function. |
| 01:02.27 | bzdoug_ | Jormungandr: I might use the config files to tweak something, but never to setup a whole freekin server with |
| 01:02.47 | bzdoug_ | ~dict troll |
| 01:03.15 | Jormungandr | it doesn't have the internet definition of troll. |
| 01:03.17 | bzdoug_ | praise or celebrate in song; "All tongues shall troll you" |
| 01:03.19 | Jormungandr | kind of like spam |
| 01:03.21 | bzdoug_ | I like that |
| 01:03.24 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 01:03.35 | bzdoug_ | hrn |
| 01:03.47 | bzdoug_ | well... maybe a gui for setting up BIND? |
| 01:03.55 | Jormungandr | they have them |
| 01:03.59 | bzdoug_ | setting up bind hurts my brain |
| 01:04.06 | Jormungandr | if you want a gui to set up stuff, use webmin. |
| 01:04.12 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 01:04.15 | Jormungandr | it's web based, and fairly complete. |
| 01:04.16 | Jormungandr | but |
| 01:04.24 | Jormungandr | I won't touch a gui to configure my server. |
| 01:04.28 | bzdoug_ | I use that, but I want something better, more windows like... :P |
| 01:04.31 | Jormungandr | just principle. |
| 01:04.37 | bzdoug_ | huh |
| 01:04.38 | Jormungandr | then run w2k |
| 01:04.55 | bzdoug_ | thats beside the point... I want to use leeenox instead.... |
| 01:04.56 | Patlabor221 | he does run 2k |
| 01:05.00 | bzdoug_ | and NT |
| 01:05.02 | bzdoug_ | and XP |
| 01:05.05 | Patlabor221 | then learn to type doug |
| 01:05.16 | bzdoug_ | and 98 95 3.1 dos and free dos |
| 01:05.26 | Jormungandr | if you want to run linux as a server, you should learn to to it all via the command line. |
| 01:05.39 | Jormungandr | I often have to log into my server with my laptop/wireless. |
| 01:05.41 | bzdoug_ | yea, I do know how to do stuff by command line... |
| 01:05.52 | bzdoug_ | but guis make it easyer and faster to setup |
| 01:05.54 | Jormungandr | I can't even imaging trying to do some gui thing. |
| 01:06.00 | Patlabor221 | then you should have no problem with configs |
| 01:06.06 | Jormungandr | they make it SEEM easier and faster. |
| 01:06.09 | Jormungandr | it's illusion. |
| 01:06.13 | bzdoug_ | like you? |
| 01:06.22 | Jormungandr | only not as handsome |
| 01:06.31 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:06.41 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:07.21 | Jormungandr | I dunno... I find that I can type faster, and use command line interface much more efficiently than gui. |
| 01:07.24 | Jormungandr | test it :) |
| 01:07.32 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 01:07.37 | Jormungandr | but other people do better with gui. |
| 01:07.56 | Jormungandr | but if they have to fix machine, and gui is not an option, they tend to falter. |
| 01:08.01 | bzdoug_ | yea... |
| 01:08.22 | Jormungandr | it's real purdy. |
| 01:08.23 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:08.28 | Patlabor221 | to realy learn you must install linux on an atari 800 |
| 01:08.31 | bzdoug_ | heh, and clean |
| 01:08.32 | Patlabor221 | and set up wine |
| 01:08.36 | Jormungandr | yay! |
| 01:08.37 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: oh? |
| 01:08.38 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:08.45 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: you ever do that? |
| 01:09.01 | Patlabor221 | ohh god, no I'm not stupid. |
| 01:09.02 | Jormungandr | I had a timex sinclair emulator on my kaypro 4/84 :) |
| 01:09.44 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 01:10.04 | Jormungandr | that's right... you ARE a spring chicken. |
| 01:10.20 | Patlabor221 | mmmm membrane keyboards. |
| 01:10.21 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 01:10.31 | Jormungandr | kaypro 4/84 was a "luggable" computer. 25 lbs with snap on keyboard. |
| 01:10.46 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 01:10.49 | Jormungandr | timex sinclair was little membrane kb thingy... both were z80 based. |
| 01:10.50 | bzdoug_ | I shall pass |
| 01:11.07 | Jormungandr | hey, it was all the rage in '84 :) |
| 01:11.21 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 01:11.24 | bzdoug_ | before I was born |
| 01:11.34 | Jormungandr | damn, I feel old. |
| 01:11.47 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 01:12.33 | bzdoug_ | heh my dad is in san francisco |
| 01:12.46 | Jormungandr | he's prolly younger than I am :) |
| 01:12.48 | bzdoug_ | ontop of "Wired" and next door to macworld |
| 01:12.55 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:12.57 | bzdoug_ | I dunno |
| 01:13.08 | Jormungandr | how old was he when you were born? |
| 01:13.12 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:13.29 | Patlabor221 | do the math doug |
| 01:13.30 | Jormungandr | my mom was 19, dad was 20. |
| 01:13.39 | bzdoug_ | around 23 |
| 01:13.47 | Patlabor221 | my dad was 30 |
| 01:13.52 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 01:13.53 | Jormungandr | we are prolly close to same age, then. |
| 01:13.58 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 01:14.12 | bzdoug_ | Jormungandr: I dont think so |
| 01:14.28 | Patlabor221 | how old is your dad doug? |
| 01:14.29 | Jormungandr | you were born in? |
| 01:14.35 | bzdoug_ | 39 |
| 01:14.38 | bzdoug_ | 87 |
| 01:14.42 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 01:14.44 | Jormungandr | I'm 2 years older than your dad. |
| 01:14.56 | bzdoug_ | apple introduses a web browser |
| 01:15.02 | bzdoug_ | hmm, thats old |
| 01:15.04 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 01:15.13 | Patlabor221 | not realy |
| 01:15.14 | bzgirl | corndawg: you there? |
| 01:15.14 | Jormungandr | nah... life begins at 40. |
| 01:15.17 | bzdoug_ | WOW! |
| 01:15.23 | bzdoug_ | 17 ince powerbook |
| 01:15.25 | bzdoug_ | http://www.apple.com/powerbook/index17.html |
| 01:15.27 | Jormungandr | saw that |
| 01:15.35 | Jormungandr | watch the video with mini-me |
| 01:15.36 | bzdoug_ | thats hugh! |
| 01:15.39 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:15.43 | Jormungandr | I want one. |
| 01:15.44 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 01:15.51 | Patlabor221 | how muuch are they? 3k? |
| 01:15.51 | bzdoug_ | and a backlite keyboard |
| 01:15.59 | Jormungandr | haven't priced it yet. |
| 01:16.01 | bzdoug_ | 3,299.00 |
| 01:16.04 | Jormungandr | coff |
| 01:16.09 | bzdoug_ | http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?family=PowerBook |
| 01:16.11 | Patlabor221 | jezus |
| 01:16.12 | bzdoug_ | look at the images |
| 01:16.14 | Jormungandr | I still want it. |
| 01:16.16 | bzdoug_ | it looks soo fat! |
| 01:16.26 | Jormungandr | my next purchase is a sidekick though. |
| 01:16.33 | bzdoug_ | sidekick? |
| 01:16.41 | Patlabor221 | what they put a giger in it? |
| 01:16.46 | Patlabor221 | hiptop |
| 01:16.47 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 01:17.19 | bzdoug_ | Fast FireWire 800 54Mbps AirPort Extreme 1GHz processor NVIDIA GeForce4 440 Go graphics processor with 64MB of DDR SDRAM |
| 01:17.25 | bzdoug_ | its loaded... |
| 01:17.35 | Patlabor221 | 64? WTF? |
| 01:17.44 | Patlabor221 | or is that the card mem? |
| 01:17.44 | bzdoug_ | they also have a new 12 inch powerbook |
| 01:17.47 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 01:17.48 | bzdoug_ | cardmem |
| 01:18.03 | bzdoug_ | 60 gig drive |
| 01:18.17 | Jormungandr | search amazon for sidekick. they have good pics of it. |
| 01:18.22 | Patlabor221 | only 2 models have DDR |
| 01:18.23 | bzdoug_ | all with 4.5 hours of battery life |
| 01:18.30 | Jormungandr | so. :) |
| 01:18.45 | Jormungandr | 4.5 hours is not bad for a laptop these days. |
| 01:18.53 | bzdoug_ | yea... |
| 01:19.04 | bzdoug_ | but with a 17 inch screen?> |
| 01:19.24 | Jormungandr | gunna go to T-mobile on friday to get sidekick. hopefully they will match amazon's price. |
| 01:19.32 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 01:19.47 | Jormungandr | if they don't, I'll buy it anyway. |
| 01:19.51 | Patlabor221 | seems like the 17 is all that laptop has going for it |
| 01:19.52 | Jormungandr | get rid of my blackberry |
| 01:19.59 | Patlabor221 | everything else is comprable to others |
| 01:20.25 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 01:20.26 | Jormungandr | I am more interested in their tiny one. |
| 01:20.34 | Jormungandr | my current laptop is a sharp actius |
| 01:20.43 | Jormungandr | 2.9 lbs |
| 01:20.53 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:21.03 | Jormungandr | it's a few years old, now, though. |
| 01:21.12 | Jormungandr | afk for a few. |
| 01:21.15 | bzdoug_ | my current laptop is a armada 4130T 10 pounds |
| 01:21.22 | Patlabor221 | I need to get rid of my old dell insperon 7000 |
| 01:21.30 | Patlabor221 | it's like 15 lbs or something |
| 01:21.40 | Patlabor221 | and only a 333 celly |
| 01:21.48 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 01:21.50 | bzdoug_ | ebay it |
| 01:21.59 | bzdoug_ | The 17" model is 1440x900 resolution, 16:10 aspect ratio, G4/1GHz, SuperDrive, GeForce4 440 Go/64MB, and all the same ports, with the addition of line in and FireWire 800 (in addition to FireWire 400). It is less than 1" thin, and 6.8 lbs., and has fiber-optic lightning for the keyboard activated by ambient light sensors. It will be available next month for $3,300. |
| 01:22.21 | bzdoug_ | and the airport is 802.11g |
| 01:23.29 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 01:23.36 | bzdoug_ | apple is making a X11 for OS X |
| 01:23.38 | bzdoug_ | http://www.apple.com/macosx/x11/ |
| 01:23.41 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.48) |
| 01:23.51 | bzdoug_ | lo |
| 01:27.25 | Patlabor221 | looks like they are coming down in price too |
| 01:27.27 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 01:27.28 | Patlabor221 | that's nice |
| 01:27.41 | Patlabor221 | why ug? |
| 01:28.06 | bzdoug_ | the linux box decided to use the "static" screensaver |
| 01:28.11 | bzdoug_ | thought something blew up |
| 01:30.20 | Jormungandr | I have XFree86 on my mac now. |
| 01:30.39 | bzdoug_ | yea, but apple is making there own flavor of it |
| 01:31.32 | Jormungandr | it's still xfree. |
| 01:31.41 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 01:31.50 | Jormungandr | maybe they will have a cool WM |
| 01:32.01 | bzdoug_ | but apple is sticking full opengl support in it and stuff |
| 01:32.09 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 01:32.22 | bzdoug_ | and have all X11 apps minimize to the dock with the genie affect |
| 01:33.01 | Jormungandr | I should download the beta when I get home. |
| 01:33.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh there's a good use of CPU power :) |
| 01:33.33 | Jormungandr | I buy $300 Xserver proggies for computers just so I can run xterm and rxvt |
| 01:33.35 | bzdoug_ | its really cool if one holdsdown the control and shift then minize a app |
| 01:33.52 | bzdoug_ | it goes really slowly |
| 01:34.05 | bzdoug_ | and quicktime still plays all warped like that |
| 01:41.13 | *** join/#bzflag proton-onyx2 (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com) |
| 01:41.21 | proton-onyx2 | ARGH |
| 01:41.21 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 01:41.23 | proton-onyx2 | i hate inst |
| 01:41.38 | proton-onyx2 | and it didn't help that the / disk on this machine had 30k free |
| 01:41.39 | bzdoug_ | I used to play a game called onyx |
| 01:41.55 | proton-onyx2 | i bet that game didn't have 4 r12k cpus and 2 RM pipelines |
| 01:42.56 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 01:42.57 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 01:43.18 | bzdoug_ | it was a small bouncy ball that was on the mac |
| 01:43.31 | bzdoug_ | I might still have it on a syquest drive somewhere |
| 01:44.46 | bzdoug_ | Confucious say, "Man who fart in church sit in own pew!" |
| 01:45.27 | bzdoug_ | Science: The Speed Of Gravity Revealed |
| 01:45.32 | Jormungandr | Confucious say, "Man who use old Confucious jokes, need to find a hobby." |
| 01:45.33 | Jormungandr | ;) |
| 01:45.37 | Patlabor221 | ha noone shall step up to repsond to my mamoth post on the cheating topic. they all phear me. :) |
| 01:47.38 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: I am sitting in front of a 12" monitor |
| 01:47.49 | Patlabor221 | no HA for you |
| 01:47.59 | proton-onyx2 | HA!!!! |
| 01:48.07 | Patlabor221 | that gets a HA |
| 01:48.15 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: but, mine goes where ever I want it to! |
| 01:48.32 | Patlabor221 | but it's only 12 inches |
| 01:48.45 | Patlabor221 | don't the girls laugh at you? |
| 01:48.55 | proton-onyx2 | heh |
| 01:49.34 | proton-onyx2 | had to install perl to get autoconf to install |
| 01:49.35 | Patlabor221 | You too can be a real man, try our 12 step program to add 3 to 6 inches to your monitor. |
| 01:49.40 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: my iBook has attracted about 4 girls, gotten me 2 girlfriends and about 30 dates |
| 01:50.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah but I bet they are all frutty :) |
| 01:50.11 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: one of the girlfriends was |
| 01:50.26 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: but the other one was hotter than hell, and very fine |
| 01:51.02 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: what is the GPU thingy in it? |
| 01:51.05 | Patlabor221 | so you get women via a magic toilet seat cover? |
| 01:51.14 | proton-onyx2 | gonkulator: infinitereality2 series - 2 RM pipelines |
| 02:08.47 | Jormungandr | I need to figure out what package the opengl header files are in redhat 7.3 |
| 02:09.00 | Jormungandr | so I can compile on dragon.org |
| 02:09.33 | Jormungandr | I only use the server, but it won't compile by itself. (or I don't know how to make it compile by itself) |
| 02:11.17 | corndawg | <-- has a friend commin for a butt whoopin |
| 02:11.18 | corndawg | heh |
| 02:14.26 | *** part/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 02:15.44 | *** join/#bzflag ksuther (~ksuther@syr-66-67-122-141.twcny.rr.com) |
| 02:17.16 | ksuther | Anybody know if the CVS for bzflag will compile for osx? |
| 02:20.04 | gonkulator | ksuther: OSX compiling is kinda tricky |
| 02:20.14 | gonkulator | for any project |
| 02:20.27 | gonkulator | because their autoconf and automake are crufty on OS X |
| 02:20.31 | ksuther | There are a couple ports out there, I just wanted to see if I could get a better port working :) |
| 02:20.33 | gonkulator | which version of OS X are you talking? |
| 02:20.37 | ksuther | 10.2 |
| 02:20.45 | gonkulator | 10.2.3? |
| 02:20.47 | ksuther | Yes. |
| 02:22.10 | gonkulator | ask captain_proton |
| 02:22.11 | ksuther | heh |
| 02:22.15 | ksuther | Is he alive? |
| 02:22.23 | gonkulator | nope |
| 02:22.30 | ksuther | Boo :-p |
| 02:22.47 | ksuther | Oh well, I'll get him someday |
| 02:22.53 | gonkulator | one can hope |
| 02:22.53 | bzdoug_ | proton-onyx2: hmm, so I bet bzflag will run at 640x480 at 2 FPS on that slow computer... |
| 02:23.04 | ksuther | The copy I have is fine, just can't go out of full screen :[ |
| 02:23.12 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: do you know anything about the bzFlag build system? |
| 02:23.12 | corndawg | welp... off i go to play :) |
| 02:23.22 | corndawg | Jormungandr: ill see ya there if ya wanna play |
| 02:23.25 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator: nope |
| 02:23.36 | ksuther | It seems there is really only one main BZFlag server, is that true? |
| 02:23.38 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: what is your area of knowledge with bzFlag? |
| 02:23.57 | bzdoug_ | gonkulator: playing and compiling |
| 02:23.59 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 02:24.05 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 02:24.17 | gonkulator | correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't compiling require knowledge of the build system |
| 02:24.22 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 02:24.34 | gonkulator | does it use autoconf/automake? |
| 02:24.36 | bzdoug_ | it requires one to type ./configure make linux make |
| 02:24.46 | bzdoug_ | I dont know |
| 02:28.17 | bzdoug_ | There is an art, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. Pick a nice day and try it. All it requires is simply the ability to throw yourself forward with all your weight, and the willingness not to mind that it's going to hurt. |
| 02:29.15 | *** join/#bzflag proton-onyx2 (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com) |
| 02:29.19 | gonkulator | wb proton-onyx2 |
| 02:29.25 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: what is the bzFlag build system? |
| 02:29.31 | proton-onyx2 | gonkulator: make? |
| 02:29.47 | *** part/#bzflag ksuther (~ksuther@syr-66-67-122-141.twcny.rr.com) |
| 02:29.53 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 02:29.59 | bzdoug_ | thats what I told him |
| 02:30.07 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: ok |
| 02:32.09 | proton-onyx2 | sheesh |
| 02:32.15 | proton-onyx2 | 121 gl contexts on this thing |
| 02:32.28 | bzdoug_ | is that good? |
| 02:32.42 | proton-onyx2 | its only about 100 more than my machine |
| 02:32.42 | proton-onyx2 | :) |
| 02:32.58 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 02:35.08 | proton-onyx2 | scanline awake? |
| 02:35.25 | bzdoug_ | ~seen scanline |
| 02:35.38 | | scanline is currently on #picogui (4d 16h 35m) #tuxscreen (4d 16h 35m) #zaurus (4d 16h 35m) #elinux (4d 16h 35m) #bzflag (4d 16h 35m) #openzaurus (4d 16h 35m). Has said a total of 1102 messages. Is idling for 1h 14m 45s |
| 02:35.50 | proton-onyx2 | this is nifty - if you turn the power key to 'off' it performs a clean shutdown of the machine |
| 02:36.07 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 02:36.11 | bzdoug_ | thats slick |
| 02:39.10 | proton-onyx2 | whoop |
| 02:39.15 | proton-onyx2 | time to try building picogui on here |
| 02:43.06 | bzdoug_ | what if we could accelerate a missile toward the speed of light; it's mass would increase and I would assume it's gravitational field would also increase. If the projectile could approach the speed of gravity (which is probably very close, if not the same as, C) it might radiate a cone of 'compressed' gravity (similiar to a sonic boom). I imagine such a thing could make a very amusing weapon. |
| 02:43.35 | proton-onyx2 | umm |
| 02:43.39 | proton-onyx2 | how would its mass increase? |
| 02:43.53 | bzdoug_ | slashdot physics |
| 02:43.57 | bzdoug_ | who knows? |
| 02:48.28 | proton-onyx2 | 2560x1024 |
| 02:51.26 | gonkulator | proton-onyx2: is that your new year's resolution? |
| 02:52.33 | proton-onyx2 | gonkulator: is what my new-years resolution? |
| 02:52.44 | gonkulator | 2560x1024 |
| 02:52.47 | gonkulator | w0t |
| 02:52.49 | gonkulator | w00t |
| 03:08.08 | proton-onyx2 | configure.in:84: `OS' includes configure substitution `@OS@', and is referred to from `libos_la_SOURCES': configure substitutions not allowed in _SOURCES variables |
| 03:22.05 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 03:31.01 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.55) |
| 03:38.50 | corndawg | hey MrApathyCream |
| 03:47.54 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 04:06.17 | corndawg | that was fun |
| 04:07.12 | corndawg | some ppl make no sence... for such a shitty map.. these 2 played long enough on it |
| 04:52.05 | captain_proton | yawn |
| 05:20.14 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@adsl-64-172-196-223.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 05:27.30 | jzaun | that was a quick "busy" |
| 05:28.29 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132a3.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 05:36.01 | *** join/#bzflag Ginku (~Gehm@pD958EB2E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:39.48 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl1x51.chesco.com) |
| 05:52.32 | Patlabor221 | tho "BZflag freezes my system at random times" is geting up there in pages, may have to do something about that :) |
| 05:52.59 | corndawg | bzflag did the same with me Patlabor221.. but only when i ran gaim and got a msg |
| 05:53.31 | Patlabor221 | well don't run gaim, there you go. closed thread |
| 05:53.44 | Patlabor221 | There are sound issues that seem to screw with bz on *nix |
| 05:53.50 | corndawg | yep i know :) |
| 05:54.11 | Patlabor221 | a new sound lib based on openAL or FMOD would be nice for win and *nix |
| 05:54.31 | Patlabor221 | tho there is serious doubet that Tim will go for FMOD |
| 05:54.42 | corndawg | heh |
| 05:55.32 | Patlabor221 | moslty due to licesnse issues |
| 05:55.59 | corndawg | figures |
| 05:56.00 | corndawg | brb |
| 05:57.14 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i've been working on an openal implementation but it's going to use the COW isntead of files |
| 05:57.39 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 05:57.56 | Patlabor221 | I plan on looking at it when you are done |
| 06:01.09 | Patlabor221 | is it much difrent from FMod? |
| 06:11.57 | Patlabor221 | I hope people understand that I'm not trying to be rude, it's just that they are stupid. |
| 06:12.37 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: sorta? |
| 06:12.42 | sussudio | spiff? |
| 06:12.46 | Patlabor221 | dukot |
| 06:12.54 | sussudio | "i'm going to code when i get a faster computer"-spiff? |
| 06:12.57 | Patlabor221 | sort? |
| 06:13.03 | Patlabor221 | well that too |
| 06:13.17 | sussudio | vi just flies by with a p4 |
| 06:13.35 | Patlabor221 | dukot asks on the dev list if there is a dev list. |
| 06:14.01 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:14.49 | Patlabor221 | 1) it says [bzflag - Developers] in the mail subject, 2) when you post on sourceforge it say "Developers" in large letters right where you post. |
| 06:15.58 | Patlabor221 | perhaps we could make a channel #bzflag-Double-Top-Sekret |
| 06:16.12 | Patlabor221 | and require smartcards for everyone to get in. |
| 06:17.20 | Patlabor221 | or send everyone client code to run in some funky new virtual machine. |
| 06:17.41 | Patlabor221 | then I can use all your machines as smurf hosts. |
| 06:18.02 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how goes the engrish? |
| 06:21.34 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: thats an untruthitude! |
| 06:22.04 | captain_proton | hehe |
| 06:23.07 | Patlabor221 | I thought he was doing better, up to a bee's span |
| 06:23.25 | Patlabor221 | he'll crawn on a flower for a bit, but then move to the next prety one he sees |
| 06:23.40 | Patlabor221 | s/ crawl / not crawn |
| 06:24.29 | Patlabor221 | ohh I love those |
| 06:26.37 | Patlabor221 | jezsuz, not only is someone trying to distrubute a new BZ cheat client, they are too lazy to compile it release and are giving out debug. |
| 06:26.55 | Patlabor221 | and when it dosn't work, they are distributing msvcrtd.dll |
| 06:27.03 | MrApathyCream | haha |
| 06:27.28 | MrApathyCream | M$ will sue |
| 06:27.30 | Patlabor221 | are like 95% of the people in the world stupid? |
| 06:27.37 | MrApathyCream | no, not at all |
| 06:27.42 | MrApathyCream | more like 98% |
| 06:28.05 | captain_proton | and 99% of people make up statistics |
| 06:28.11 | MrApathyCream | I'm always amazed when come to that realization, as if, it is a huge surprise :) |
| 06:28.29 | Patlabor221 | well lets see what this cheat thing does. |
| 06:28.35 | Patlabor221 | Cell's was realy realy lame |
| 06:28.46 | MrApathyCream | someone email it to you? |
| 06:28.55 | Patlabor221 | not mail |
| 06:28.59 | Patlabor221 | but ftp yeah |
| 06:29.04 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:29.10 | Patlabor221 | haven't goten them to tell me who they got it from tho |
| 06:29.24 | MrApathyCream | saw someone cheating tonite fast shot/fast tank |
| 06:29.27 | MrApathyCream | but lame otherwise |
| 06:29.41 | Patlabor221 | were they invulnurable? |
| 06:29.45 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 06:29.49 | Patlabor221 | then wasn't cell's |
| 06:30.49 | Patlabor221 | lets see if I can do this without geting baned |
| 06:31.43 | Patlabor221 | wow how impresively it takes a crap |
| 06:32.49 | Patlabor221 | wow and it comes with a shortcut to launch it even |
| 06:33.14 | Patlabor221 | auming everyone keeps there bz at ""C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator\Desktop\BZFlag\BZCheatSW.exe"" |
| 06:33.42 | captain_proton | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:33.50 | jzaun | whats the cheat supposed to do? |
| 06:33.55 | Patlabor221 | no clue |
| 06:33.59 | captain_proton | god |
| 06:34.00 | Patlabor221 | as far as I can tell |
| 06:34.03 | Patlabor221 | crash |
| 06:34.10 | jzaun | heh |
| 06:34.10 | captain_proton | how was nemesis SO BAD when almost every episode was SO GOOD |
| 06:34.11 | Patlabor221 | and/or show a gray screen |
| 06:34.38 | MrApathyCream | one should publish a 'bz cheat client' that has a virus in it |
| 06:35.08 | Patlabor221 | or randomly sends "I am a cheating bastard, my IP is xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx" and dosn't show it to the user. |
| 06:35.17 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 06:35.30 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: not even a real cheat, just a nice little trogen to delete all of c:\windows\ |
| 06:35.41 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:35.49 | Patlabor221 | make it look up there real name and e-mail and stuff and boradcast that |
| 06:35.55 | Patlabor221 | and how much they LOVE goats |
| 06:36.04 | MrApathyCream | ha |
| 06:36.22 | sussudio | bunnies. |
| 06:36.33 | Patlabor221 | hmm well this client is doing a good job of taking my system down |
| 06:36.38 | MrApathyCream | it's amazing the percentage of servers that NEVER has anyone playing on them |
| 06:36.41 | *** join/#bzflag patlabor221__ (~JeffM@adsl-64-172-196-223.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) |
| 06:36.47 | Patlabor221 | bah |
| 06:38.13 | captain_proton | MrApathyCream: *sob* |
| 06:40.17 | Patlabor221 | why so sad? |
| 06:41.41 | captain_proton | because noone every plays on the decks :( |
| 06:44.10 | Patlabor221 | join your server know and lets see what this cheat does, got it running |
| 06:45.40 | Patlabor221 | well mac there is your lighting |
| 06:47.55 | MrApathyCream | where? |
| 06:48.25 | *** join/#bzflag CodeWeaver (~shane@codewevr.dsl.xmission.com) |
| 07:04.37 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: decks needs new Flag technology |
| 07:05.26 | Patlabor221 | so what does the lighting look like |
| 07:06.22 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: tanks go white, box tops/bottoms get brighter |
| 07:06.25 | captain_proton | for a split second |
| 07:06.30 | Patlabor221 | neat |
| 07:06.40 | Patlabor221 | that would be cool to actualy kick off by the server |
| 07:06.46 | Patlabor221 | as an effect |
| 07:06.59 | Patlabor221 | perhaps when CTF teams score |
| 07:07.09 | Patlabor221 | if you could adjust the color of the flash |
| 07:07.20 | Patlabor221 | make it flash in the color of who just scored |
| 07:07.43 | MrApathyCream | i would think some sort of sw effect, no? |
| 07:07.50 | MrApathyCream | perhaps a really far away one? |
| 07:07.56 | Patlabor221 | or realy big |
| 07:08.00 | MrApathyCream | right |
| 07:08.06 | Patlabor221 | but no SW sound |
| 07:08.07 | MrApathyCream | covered the whole world? |
| 07:08.08 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i was thinking of doing it on my server :) |
| 07:08.10 | Patlabor221 | or death |
| 07:08.16 | Patlabor221 | yeah that would be neat |
| 07:08.44 | Patlabor221 | have it check with the national weather service and make it flash when it's raining in the server location :) |
| 07:08.48 | MrApathyCream | problem with server is that munitions on the client are always attached to a player |
| 07:08.58 | MrApathyCream | so your server would need to add a player for it's own devices |
| 07:09.00 | Patlabor221 | I am seeing if I can get source |
| 07:09.03 | Patlabor221 | so pick a player |
| 07:09.12 | Patlabor221 | naw just pick a random player |
| 07:09.21 | Patlabor221 | or 2 that way everyone sees it |
| 07:09.24 | Patlabor221 | even the 2 that do it |
| 07:09.41 | Patlabor221 | or can you add an observer? |
| 07:09.46 | Patlabor221 | and atach it to that? |
| 07:09.46 | MrApathyCream | I thought of adding the ability to have world cannon's |
| 07:09.49 | MrApathyCream | but that was a problem |
| 07:10.03 | Patlabor221 | well that needs more of a server side state |
| 07:10.18 | Patlabor221 | see another reason for my server side state |
| 07:10.21 | MrApathyCream | i spose as long as no one get's killed, you can attach it to anyone |
| 07:10.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:10.33 | Patlabor221 | well I never saw the lighting |
| 07:10.36 | Patlabor221 | just a regular SW |
| 07:10.40 | MrApathyCream | bummer |
| 07:10.47 | MrApathyCream | regular sized sw? |
| 07:11.18 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:11.25 | Patlabor221 | made sound and everything |
| 07:11.42 | Patlabor221 | now maybe I just didn't see it cus they SW was geting in the way |
| 07:12.02 | MrApathyCream | maybe |
| 07:12.03 | Patlabor221 | if you want to start a server in debug I can conncet to it |
| 07:12.18 | Patlabor221 | or you can get the client at ftp.bakadigital.com |
| 07:12.24 | Patlabor221 | user guest pass guest |
| 07:12.30 | MrApathyCream | um, ok, one sec, lemme start a server, one sec |
| 07:12.46 | TimRiker | so what's the cheat status? |
| 07:13.06 | captain_proton | i couldn't hear an sw anywhere |
| 07:13.23 | Patlabor221 | you go realy fast |
| 07:13.27 | Patlabor221 | shoot realy fast |
| 07:13.34 | Patlabor221 | can infinate jump |
| 07:13.39 | TimRiker | who's site is ftp.bakadigital.com ? |
| 07:13.43 | Patlabor221 | have some sort of air controll |
| 07:13.44 | Patlabor221 | mine |
| 07:13.52 | Patlabor221 | I got someone to send it to me |
| 07:13.56 | corndawg | hey tim |
| 07:14.04 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o TimRiker] by ChanServ |
| 07:14.08 | Patlabor221 | noone knows it's there |
| 07:14.20 | TimRiker | ah |
| 07:14.44 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: connect to the server that says HELP TEST WIN32 bzfs |
| 07:14.46 | Patlabor221 | but the most interesting thing is we found out where MAC was seeing lightning |
| 07:14.55 | TimRiker | I'm not going to stop cheat clients. I will assert the GPL though, if they post a cheat client they better also post the source. |
| 07:15.10 | Patlabor221 | you spawn with a version of SW that makes the world flash |
| 07:15.18 | TimRiker | wild. |
| 07:15.23 | MrApathyCream | neat effect |
| 07:15.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah I'm trying to find out who is distoing it and let them know, I want to see source |
| 07:15.35 | Patlabor221 | I didn't get it from the dev of it. |
| 07:15.49 | Patlabor221 | ok fireing it up |
| 07:16.14 | Patlabor221 | k I'm in |
| 07:16.17 | Patlabor221 | let me know when |
| 07:16.23 | MrApathyCream | fire when ready |
| 07:16.27 | Patlabor221 | now |
| 07:16.33 | MrApathyCream | ok debug break |
| 07:16.38 | MrApathyCream | thanks, i got it |
| 07:16.54 | MrApathyCream | shotflag == 20 |
| 07:17.00 | Patlabor221 | ohh and your shots never show up on radar |
| 07:17.07 | Patlabor221 | but you can die |
| 07:17.23 | MrApathyCream | heh my server won't let you do this, it converts it into a NullFlag |
| 07:17.29 | MrApathyCream | cause the player isn't registered as having sw |
| 07:17.37 | Patlabor221 | oddd |
| 07:17.39 | MrApathyCream | a g1? fix |
| 07:18.01 | Patlabor221 | game says it's G0 |
| 07:18.12 | MrApathyCream | mmm |
| 07:18.26 | MrApathyCream | it's definitly lastest |
| 07:18.28 | MrApathyCream | cvs |
| 07:19.59 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: please retry |
| 07:21.10 | captain_proton | uggggg |
| 07:21.11 | Patlabor221 | inc |
| 07:21.16 | captain_proton | <-- ate too many cashews |
| 07:21.17 | MrApathyCream | ok, got it |
| 07:21.51 | corndawg | lol cap |
| 07:22.17 | Patlabor221 | won't that like kill you? |
| 07:22.37 | Patlabor221 | ok I pulled the cheats from my FTP and put them in an archive |
| 07:22.45 | Patlabor221 | got 2 cheat clients soo far |
| 07:23.31 | MrApathyCream | here's the shot begin buffer |
| 07:23.32 | MrApathyCream | 40 AC C4 DF FE 94 00 00 01 00 C3 1F 38 A9 C1 75 |
| 07:23.33 | MrApathyCream | F7 06 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |
| 07:23.33 | MrApathyCream | 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 14 40 40 00 00 |
| 07:24.48 | Patlabor221 | well I must say that that cheat client is a bit more creative then Cell's was |
| 07:24.59 | TimRiker | summary? |
| 07:25.48 | Patlabor221 | cloaced fast shots, fast tank (faster then high speed ), turn in air, and jump in iar. |
| 07:26.00 | captain_proton | cloaked fast shots? |
| 07:26.04 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:26.11 | Patlabor221 | the shots were fast |
| 07:26.13 | captain_proton | how does that work? |
| 07:26.16 | Patlabor221 | and they didn't show on radar |
| 07:26.17 | TimRiker | clients think you have invisible shot? |
| 07:26.21 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:26.23 | captain_proton | ohh ok |
| 07:26.25 | captain_proton | IB |
| 07:26.29 | Patlabor221 | I think I have inviso shot |
| 07:26.34 | TimRiker | hmm... the client should only think you have one flag. |
| 07:26.52 | TimRiker | though I think shot speed and tank speed are sent, not calculated. |
| 07:26.54 | Patlabor221 | and the lightning thing, you spawn with the special SW |
| 07:27.17 | TimRiker | how would standard clients know about the "special SW" ? |
| 07:27.20 | Patlabor221 | well I didn't get to test what happens when you pick up a flag, as cappy has no flags on his server |
| 07:27.25 | Patlabor221 | cap put some flags in there |
| 07:27.34 | TimRiker | or try one if you like. |
| 07:27.41 | Patlabor221 | so tim can see the lightning |
| 07:27.46 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 07:27.56 | Patlabor221 | I didn't want to go on a popular server with it |
| 07:28.03 | TimRiker | updatine one to cvs as we speak. |
| 07:28.23 | TimRiker | just use a Test* nick. |
| 07:28.26 | captain_proton | egads |
| 07:28.32 | Patlabor221 | k let me know when |
| 07:28.34 | captain_proton | i'm still eating cashews even though it hurts so much |
| 07:28.41 | Patlabor221 | dude just stop |
| 07:30.43 | MrApathyCream | Ok, it's a SW, on the ground, at pos x = C31F38A9, y = C175F706 with duration 40400000 |
| 07:30.54 | MrApathyCream | (floats) |
| 07:31.20 | MrApathyCream | hmm, lessee to convert them... |
| 07:36.31 | MrApathyCream | hmm, looks like pos x = -0, y = 0, z = 0 |
| 07:36.52 | TimRiker | wild. |
| 07:37.28 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:37.34 | TimRiker | so a global sw? |
| 07:37.42 | TimRiker | did you do that one? |
| 07:37.45 | Patlabor221 | the Cell cilent makes you invunurable |
| 07:37.59 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's when you said you saw shots that didn't move |
| 07:38.00 | TimRiker | god is easy. not a real hack. ;-) |
| 07:38.03 | Patlabor221 | they see it as lighting |
| 07:38.05 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 07:38.25 | Patlabor221 | this one at least has some thought put in it, it could be fun if everyone had the client |
| 07:38.27 | TimRiker | ah. so presumable g1 avoids that hack, yes? |
| 07:38.35 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:39.29 | Patlabor221 | but could the server fire one off, the g1 fix is to make the server ignore the shot right? |
| 07:39.39 | TimRiker | should be easy to test/limit shot/tank speed. |
| 07:39.46 | MrApathyCream | no converts it to nullflag |
| 07:39.59 | Patlabor221 | what does that do to it? |
| 07:40.07 | MrApathyCream | can't crush it, because lag may cause that |
| 07:40.16 | TimRiker | right g1 converts the shot msg to indicate a nullflag (ie normal) shot. |
| 07:40.22 | Patlabor221 | tim, that's my point on the cheating thread on the bzboard |
| 07:40.31 | MrApathyCream | in this case a bullet is fired at 0, with no speed |
| 07:40.38 | MrApathyCream | so it just sits there |
| 07:40.44 | MrApathyCream | im guessing |
| 07:40.51 | Patlabor221 | but if the server were to send a global SW you could replicate the "lightning" effect |
| 07:41.05 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:41.08 | Patlabor221 | or does the client convert the flag to null? |
| 07:41.20 | MrApathyCream | but again, shots ALWAYS must be attached to some player |
| 07:41.29 | TimRiker | I'm not worried about hacked servers at all. you choose your server. |
| 07:41.32 | Patlabor221 | tim, it's best that you don't at one point they were talking about smartcards to stop cheating. |
| 07:41.35 | MrApathyCream | which is a shame, actually |
| 07:41.36 | TimRiker | it's just hacked clients. |
| 07:42.19 | Patlabor221 | I know that, I want to make the cool affect be poped by the server:) like when a CTF team scores, it makes lightning in there team color |
| 07:42.29 | Patlabor221 | I think that would be a neat option |
| 07:42.47 | TimRiker | just pick a team member and shoot off SW shots over the top of the team base. ;-) |
| 07:43.02 | Patlabor221 | there you go |
| 07:43.18 | TimRiker | mix it with lasers if you like. |
| 07:43.31 | Patlabor221 | fireworks :) |
| 07:43.34 | MrApathyCream | fireworks |
| 07:43.35 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:43.36 | TimRiker | ;-) |
| 07:44.09 | Patlabor221 | could fire off a bunch of them that go up as normal shots, then pop into a SW and come down slow |
| 07:44.27 | TimRiker | hmm. SW should be able to move. that would be cool. |
| 07:44.29 | MrApathyCream | heh, sw's with velocity |
| 07:44.45 | captain_proton | TimRiker: they did moving SW in the X version |
| 07:44.51 | Patlabor221 | and since noone will tells any client they die, the shots don't hurt anyone |
| 07:45.14 | TimRiker | clients will kill themselves if hit. |
| 07:45.26 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 07:45.36 | Patlabor221 | well I hope noone is up there when they go off then |
| 07:45.39 | TimRiker | hence the "in the air above" comment. |
| 07:45.50 | Patlabor221 | tho fireworks are dangerous |
| 07:45.56 | TimRiker | now try it with 100 shots. ;-) |
| 07:46.00 | Patlabor221 | yeah but if you had the fly or jump cheats |
| 07:46.01 | captain_proton | you could put an eye out with that SW! |
| 07:46.16 | TimRiker | Patlabor221: then you deserve to die. ;-) |
| 07:46.27 | Patlabor221 | exactly |
| 07:47.03 | TimRiker | server should calculate the highest building/teleporter, add jump height, and prevent any tank from exceeding it. |
| 07:47.16 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 07:47.24 | Patlabor221 | server could do a lot of stuff |
| 07:47.32 | TimRiker | ~emulate bzflag |
| 07:47.37 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 07:47.40 | Patlabor221 | server could keep a game state and still let the cients do there current things |
| 07:48.10 | Patlabor221 | and anyone that is too far outa what the server thinks gets put back in line |
| 07:48.18 | MrApathyCream | could lag give a false positive, in this case? |
| 07:48.35 | Patlabor221 | depends on how stric the server is |
| 07:48.57 | Patlabor221 | my final idea is to have the server keep a running lag time for each client |
| 07:49.13 | Patlabor221 | so that it can say, hey this thing was here at this time |
| 07:49.21 | Patlabor221 | and know what to expect from each client |
| 07:49.39 | Patlabor221 | and perpaps throtle the data to realy lagy clients |
| 07:49.49 | Patlabor221 | or if they are too laggy boot them to observer |
| 07:50.08 | MrApathyCream | server should keep track of player pos's anyway for dropping flags on exit, etc |
| 07:50.21 | Patlabor221 | for lots of stuff |
| 07:50.29 | TimRiker | simple things like velocity checks would be easy to add. |
| 07:51.09 | Patlabor221 | I don't think the current server can tell a client an authoritive position for it'self can it |
| 07:51.17 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:51.21 | Patlabor221 | like if the vel or pos is outa limit, put them back |
| 07:51.21 | TimRiker | next hack would have to be teleporting clients ie warping from place to place. |
| 07:51.44 | Patlabor221 | server could keep last known pos and time |
| 07:52.01 | TimRiker | MsgShotBegin includes velocity. just check that. |
| 07:52.11 | Patlabor221 | and know the min time to get to the new pos, and reject it if it's outa whack |
| 07:52.29 | TimRiker | MsgPlayerUpdate also includes velocity. need to check that one too. |
| 07:52.45 | Patlabor221 | does the client send some sorta time to the server? |
| 07:52.51 | TimRiker | lag will not cause those to go over the limits, it will just cause a warp. |
| 07:52.52 | Patlabor221 | like when stuff hapens? |
| 07:52.58 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 07:53.10 | Patlabor221 | that is one thing it realy should do |
| 07:53.12 | TimRiker | not at present, though that's somthing I'd like to add. |
| 07:53.18 | Patlabor221 | cus lag won't stop a client side timer |
| 07:54.50 | Patlabor221 | or we could go with IRQ's idea and write a new virtual machine and language and have the server send game logic to each client and have that VM code figure out pos and stuf and send the data. cus that will fix EVERYTHING :) |
| 07:55.14 | Patlabor221 | well that and let server admins exploit there clients |
| 07:55.29 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: its also not secure |
| 07:55.30 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 07:55.39 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: who says that they have to run the VM code the server sends? |
| 07:55.40 | Patlabor221 | it's not a LOT of things |
| 07:55.53 | Patlabor221 | he just realy likes the idea of a VM |
| 07:56.07 | Patlabor221 | and dosn't know about client side prediction |
| 07:56.52 | Patlabor221 | now I wouldn't mind a little high level script that could be sent that would let a server set some of the game logic |
| 07:57.02 | Patlabor221 | but it would have to only have access to a specific API |
| 07:57.10 | Patlabor221 | and be parsed by the client |
| 07:57.26 | Patlabor221 | but that's not a cheat solution |
| 07:57.36 | Patlabor221 | it's a gameplay enhancement |
| 07:58.16 | Patlabor221 | I think a lot of people got burend with the way Quake1 did it's server side controll of everthing, thats why they fear the words "server state" |
| 08:00.05 | Patlabor221 | tho if you were a LPB the quake 1 way was prety cool |
| 08:00.47 | TimRiker | why did they get burned? |
| 08:01.05 | Patlabor221 | Q1 client would send all key input to server |
| 08:01.09 | Patlabor221 | server did game state |
| 08:01.16 | Patlabor221 | and sent render commands back to client |
| 08:01.26 | Patlabor221 | sucked on lagy connections |
| 08:01.38 | Patlabor221 | the time beween when you shoot and when you see the shot was your ping |
| 08:02.04 | Patlabor221 | tho it did allow realy cool server mods that clients could pick up with out downloading a thing |
| 08:02.22 | Patlabor221 | later they put some client side predicition in it to help out |
| 08:03.40 | Patlabor221 | current stuff like MMOLRPGs have an authoritive server state, but when the client does something, the client software draws all the actions asuming the server will accept the event |
| 08:03.46 | MrApathyCream | how does one calculate max jump height? |
| 08:03.50 | TimRiker | ahh, doom like, keys sent rather than game updates. |
| 08:04.09 | Patlabor221 | then when it gets an autortive responce the delta between your state and the server state should be minimal |
| 08:04.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 08:04.50 | Patlabor221 | on the boards I'm saying that what bz needs is an authoritve server state |
| 08:05.03 | Patlabor221 | and people thing it will be all laggy and slow |
| 08:05.17 | Patlabor221 | the only thing it will realy do is increase server CPU usage |
| 08:05.36 | Patlabor221 | but no more then what each BZ client does now to track the game state |
| 08:05.47 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: how many did you eat? |
| 08:06.01 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i dunno - far too many |
| 08:06.12 | Patlabor221 | like a google? |
| 08:06.17 | captain_proton | + |
| 08:06.18 | MrApathyCream | ah: Gravity, never mind |
| 08:06.42 | Patlabor221 | MAC it's ~ 18 units |
| 08:06.48 | Patlabor221 | at apex |
| 08:07.12 | Patlabor221 | tho it's a pain to land on anything over 16 units above jump start point |
| 08:07.33 | Patlabor221 | jump bug people were jumping about 25 units |
| 08:07.54 | captain_proton | jump bug people were 20-150 units depending on framerate |
| 08:08.05 | Patlabor221 | well yes |
| 08:08.13 | Patlabor221 | I said about |
| 08:08.17 | Patlabor221 | as in "average" |
| 08:08.33 | Patlabor221 | people playing on a PDA must gone thru the roof :) |
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| 10:48.33 | TimRiker | anyone up? |
| 10:53.18 | TimRiker | test the faster shots on cvs server now. |
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| 11:11.55 | TimRiker | one is updated, you will see your fast "cheat" shots but nobody else will. |
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| 12:15.25 | bomber | moin |
| 12:22.47 | Pinguin | moin bomber ... schon wach? |
| 12:57.08 | bomber | jaaaaa |
| 12:57.13 | bomber | und du? |
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| 13:26.39 | sussudio | ~prozac |
| 13:26.40 | | Prozac is prodan |
| 13:30.10 | prodan | ~schweinehund |
| 13:31.25 | sussudio | pon is a butthole |
| 13:31.43 | prodan | and booger? |
| 13:35.09 | sussudio | snort. |
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| 13:58.09 | sussudio | ~pig prodan |
| 13:58.11 | | prodan is 40% pig! |
| 14:00.23 | prodan | ~pig wienerschnitzel |
| 14:00.25 | | wienerschnitzel is 98% pig! |
| 14:00.39 | sussudio | well duh. |
| 14:00.44 | prodan | nope, wienerschnitzel is not pig. |
| 14:00.53 | sussudio | is too |
| 14:00.59 | prodan | nnope, calf |
| 14:01.04 | sussudio | piggggggg |
| 14:01.10 | sussudio | piggy piggy pig |
| 14:01.13 | prodan | calf |
| 14:01.16 | prodan | mooooooo |
| 14:01.20 | prodan | not grunt |
| 14:01.21 | sussudio | oink! |
| 14:01.25 | prodan | moooo |
| 14:01.31 | sussudio | squeeeeel |
| 14:01.41 | prodan | ibot x de en kalbsschnitzel |
| 14:01.47 | prodan | haha |
| 14:01.53 | sussudio | nuh uh |
| 14:01.56 | sussudio | WIENER |
| 14:02.14 | prodan | ask an austrian |
| 14:02.33 | prodan | schnitzel can be porc |
| 14:02.39 | sussudio | i'm not going near austrians, they yodel and wear funny clothes. |
| 14:02.41 | prodan | but not wienerschnitzel |
| 14:05.14 | prodan | moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:05.57 | prodan | ibot ducati |
| 14:06.00 | sussudio | pig |
| 14:06.08 | prodan | calf |
| 14:07.33 | prodan | ibot wienerschnitzel |
| 14:07.33 | | prodan: bugger all, i dunno |
| 14:08.54 | prodan | ibot wienerschnitzel is a breaded piece of veal almost but not quite completely unlike a piece of breaded porc. |
| 14:08.54 | | okay, prodan |
| 14:09.59 | sussudio | ibot wienerschnitzel is also PIGGY, prozac lies! |
| 14:10.00 | | okay, sussudio |
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| 14:31.58 | bzdoug_ | ~pigometer prodan |
| 14:32.57 | scanline | ~literal pig |
| 14:32.58 | | pig is US Plus! |
| 14:33.06 | bzdoug_ | ~pig prodan |
| 14:33.07 | | prodan is 51% pig! |
| 14:33.07 | scanline | ha |
| 14:33.12 | bzdoug_ | ~pig scanline |
| 14:33.14 | | scanline is 53% pig! |
| 14:33.15 | bzdoug_ | ~pig sussudio |
| 14:33.17 | | sussudio is 94% pig! |
| 14:33.21 | bzdoug_ | ha |
| 14:36.14 | sussudio | pig dougs mom |
| 14:36.27 | sussudio | :-P |
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| 16:04.15 | sussudio | http://www.electricartists.com/whacked/scrapple03.swf |
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| 16:27.02 | [TeA] | hello |
| 16:27.03 | [TeA] | :-) |
| 16:29.47 | sussudio | piiig |
| 16:31.43 | [TeA] | lol |
| 16:32.02 | [TeA] | swineeeeee |
| 16:32.40 | sussudio | beat up doug stick 'em in a can scrappleeeeee |
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| 16:54.00 | ak|ra | hi |
| 16:54.07 | Patlabor221 | sup |
| 16:54.30 | ak|ra | someone with latex-experience here? |
| 16:54.43 | sussudio | you freak |
| 16:54.46 | Patlabor221 | like paint? |
| 16:54.51 | Patlabor221 | or the fetish stuff |
| 16:55.16 | ak|ra | you are a win32 :) |
| 16:55.21 | Patlabor221 | or is stome funky API? |
| 16:55.45 | Patlabor221 | I never said I wasn't |
| 16:55.52 | ak|ra | :) |
| 16:56.00 | Patlabor221 | tho I do have a mac on my desk now |
| 16:56.04 | sussudio | in germany men bathe in latex and roll onto eachother until they form one big clump of latex-man-flesh |
| 16:56.20 | Patlabor221 | that is distrubing |
| 16:56.25 | ak|ra | so, do you have latex-experience? |
| 16:56.36 | Patlabor221 | the paint kind |
| 16:56.48 | Patlabor221 | and lexan |
| 16:58.15 | ak|ra | paint? |
| 16:58.25 | ak|ra | i mean tex -> latex |
| 16:58.30 | Patlabor221 | latex waterbased paint |
| 16:58.39 | ak|ra | forget it |
| 16:58.46 | Patlabor221 | like the stuff you paint intererior walls |
| 16:58.50 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 16:59.05 | Patlabor221 | what is latex in the terms you are talking about |
| 16:59.16 | Patlabor221 | I asume it's some *nix api or app |
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| 17:01.34 | ak|ra | Patlabor221: you really dont know or just kidding? |
| 17:01.55 | Patlabor221 | no I realy don't know |
| 17:02.23 | ak|ra | ok, tex is _the_ textsetting-system |
| 17:02.38 | Patlabor221 | ok font render and stuff? |
| 17:02.43 | ak|ra | "latex" is on implementation |
| 17:02.45 | ak|ra | nope |
| 17:02.53 | ak|ra | "paperrendering" |
| 17:02.57 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:03.06 | Patlabor221 | just for printing? |
| 17:03.16 | ak|ra | for all kind of textstuff |
| 17:03.20 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 17:03.22 | ak|ra | to write books etc |
| 17:03.32 | ak|ra | result looks very good |
| 17:03.39 | Patlabor221 | like postscript? |
| 17:03.46 | ak|ra | it creates ps |
| 17:03.49 | ak|ra | yes |
| 17:03.49 | Patlabor221 | k |
| 17:03.54 | scanline | Patlabor221: it's a very high quality typesetting system, used for lots of textbooks and such |
| 17:04.03 | ak|ra | just take a look around with google |
| 17:04.03 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 17:04.09 | scanline | it generates DVI files, which are usually converted to ps or pdf |
| 17:04.12 | ak|ra | scanline: yeah, typesetting was the word |
| 17:04.19 | Patlabor221 | got it now |
| 17:04.23 | ak|ra | scanline: or with pdflatex direct pdf :) |
| 17:04.30 | scanline | :) |
| 17:04.40 | ak|ra | scanline: experienced? |
| 17:04.55 | ak|ra | i want to ad a toc-entry of my \listoffigures |
| 17:04.57 | scanline | I used to use LaTeX on a 486 laptop.. using ghostscript to print a postscript was very slow, so I used a little proggie to convert DVI directly to the format my printer used |
| 17:05.04 | Patlabor221 | scanline: You don't think you were ohhh say a bit to "short" with IRQ do you? :) |
| 17:05.21 | scanline | Patlabor221: not at all, he's being an idiot :) |
| 17:05.27 | Patlabor221 | that he is |
| 17:05.38 | scanline | Patlabor221: you told him several times that he's full of it, but in a nice way, and he didn't seem to take the hint |
| 17:06.04 | Patlabor221 | tho I wouldn't mind using all BZ clients as a smurf pool |
| 17:06.09 | scanline | haha |
| 17:06.23 | scanline | embed a bittorrent client in bzflag :P |
| 17:06.31 | ak|ra | scanline: helpf for me? |
| 17:06.34 | Patlabor221 | so much evil you could do |
| 17:07.56 | Patlabor221 | and %50 CPU spent on a world state my ass |
| 17:08.03 | Patlabor221 | maybe on a 486 |
| 17:08.35 | scanline | ak|ra: with what? |
| 17:08.48 | scanline | ak|ra: oh. I haven't used LaTeX in ages, so I probably won't be much help |
| 17:08.58 | Patlabor221 | ooooo, you could have the server keep a super acurate world state and record it, then have it run a "Slow mo replay" |
| 17:09.21 | scanline | Patlabor221: like in Super Monkey Ball 2, where it gives you instant replays from a few different angles when you lose :) |
| 17:09.26 | ak|ra | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.07 | Patlabor221 | could add server side "comentatiors" that play sounds like "ohh that's gonna leave a mark" |
| 17:10.25 | scanline | haha |
| 17:12.41 | Patlabor221 | tho last night It did come to me that I could make a client that could PM flood a BZ player |
| 17:12.55 | Patlabor221 | and get the server to boot them if they are on a dialup |
| 17:13.04 | Patlabor221 | I don't think the server limts messages |
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| 17:20.07 | MrApathyCream | anyone know a function to convert an accented char to the equivalent regular char? |
| 17:20.34 | scanline | that would depend on the encoding |
| 17:20.58 | MrApathyCream | I guess the ISO-89991, or what the standard is |
| 17:21.15 | chsh[] | 8591 IIRC |
| 17:21.34 | chsh[] | Apathy> could you not just write one? |
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| 17:21.49 | chsh[] | and would that not really just work on only the one charset? |
| 17:21.54 | scanline | MrApathyCream: there's nothing in the standard library for that.. you could do one for ISO Latin-1, but you'd have to rewrite it when bzflag goes to unicode |
| 17:22.05 | MrApathyCream | could... i was hopping for a toLower type function |
| 17:22.13 | scanline | MrApathyCream: no |
| 17:22.25 | chsh[] | so write one |
| 17:22.30 | chsh[] | toNormal() |
| 17:22.36 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 17:22.42 | scanline | what's the point of stripping accent marks anyway? |
| 17:22.50 | MrApathyCream | heh, glad you asked ... sucker |
| 17:23.07 | MrApathyCream | The BZFlag bitmap images don't contain them |
| 17:23.17 | MrApathyCream | And i have no clue how that stuff works. |
| 17:23.23 | scanline | so I'd say that means it's time to update the font rendering code for unicode |
| 17:23.25 | MrApathyCream | Did you ever look at the rgb files for the fonts? |
| 17:23.28 | chsh[] | he's tired of people with élité nåmés |
| 17:23.35 | [TeA] | 01,9910 0112http://sussudio.has-a-small-penis.com/0101,99 |
| 17:23.37 | scanline | MrApathyCream: yes, I know how bzflag's font rendering system works |
| 17:23.40 | MrApathyCream | I don't even want unicode |
| 17:23.46 | scanline | why not? |
| 17:23.53 | MrApathyCream | just e-accent-egu |
| 17:24.50 | MrApathyCream | scanline: explain what the rational is for how the letters are ordered in the bitmaps |
| 17:24.51 | scanline | I'd suggest just doing everything in unicode, and redoing the font rendering system to generate those font textures on the fly from a truetype font |
| 17:24.53 | MrApathyCream | aceouxmr |
| 17:24.54 | MrApathyCream | etc, |
| 17:25.16 | MrApathyCream | why that order? |
| 17:25.26 | scanline | AFAIK they're just packed in there such that they use the smallest area |
| 17:25.44 | MrApathyCream | that's really silly |
| 17:25.50 | scanline | how so? |
| 17:26.01 | MrApathyCream | how much more space could abcdef take up? |
| 17:26.28 | scanline | well rewrite it :P |
| 17:26.35 | MrApathyCream | sounds like a job for scanline |
| 17:26.48 | scanline | I already wrote a font engine for opengl thankyouverymuch |
| 17:29.47 | Patlabor221 | is there a gimp for Mac OSX? |
| 17:30.10 | MrApathyCream | There is for win32, so i'd say yes |
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| 17:30.59 | scanline | Patlabor221: yes, though it still needs an X server |
| 17:31.20 | Patlabor221 | apple has a beta of there x11 implementaion |
| 17:31.34 | Patlabor221 | probably should install that |
| 17:33.53 | scanline | yeah, I saw that. Looks like they improved the rootless support in XFree86 |
| 17:35.17 | Patlabor221 | wow you would think that with the artsy fartsy mac people and an image manupulation program that is suposed to kick ass, the MacGimp page would no be so ugly. |
| 17:37.51 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: whats better? http://www.bestbuy.com/compare.asp?tp=R&m=58&cat=70&scat=72&b=0&14=11172023&17=11098687&18=11054063&19=11121347&txtCount=21&x=59&y=5\ |
| 17:38.01 | bzdoug_ | http://www.bestbuy.com/compare.asp?tp=R&m=58&cat=70&scat=72&b=0&14=11172023&17=11098687&18=11054063&19=11121347&txtCount=21&x=59&y=5 |
| 17:38.52 | Patlabor221 | god what an ugly URL |
| 17:38.55 | Patlabor221 | twice |
| 17:39.09 | Patlabor221 | well I don't like the "strap" thing at the top of the middle 2 |
| 17:39.21 | Patlabor221 | and do you realy need noise canceling |
| 17:39.40 | Patlabor221 | I have a set of the V150's right here and theywork great |
| 17:40.10 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 17:40.15 | Patlabor221 | tho I am not an audiophile |
| 17:40.35 | bzdoug_ | but the freq response on the HP-2000 is bettter than most |
| 17:41.12 | bzdoug_ | but then its also online ordering too |
| 17:41.58 | Patlabor221 | as long as it's not followed by the word "on" |
| 17:42.03 | Patlabor221 | or pig |
| 17:42.14 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:42.16 | sussudio | hmm |
| 17:42.25 | sussudio | someone shut up doug before it's too late |
| 17:42.36 | Patlabor221 | just get the ones you like |
| 17:57.31 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/fr1.jpg |
| 17:57.35 | MrApathyCream | http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/fr2.jpg |
| 17:58.21 | Patlabor221 | I wana see it in Jive |
| 17:58.37 | MrApathyCream | if you translate it, you'll see it in jive |
| 17:58.45 | MrApathyCream | redneck too |
| 17:59.41 | Patlabor221 | actualy what would be neat would be an set of pretranslated saying that a user could send and the others would see it in there lang. and something like the Icon comunication system in PSO |
| 18:00.17 | MrApathyCream | hook up babelfish to send message? |
| 18:00.39 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
| 18:01.37 | scanline | Patlabor221: the icons in PSO are funny :) |
| 18:16.06 | Patlabor221 | I like the fact that you can create your own outa there little parts |
| 18:16.16 | Patlabor221 | great Idea on there part |
| 18:17.07 | scanline | what system have you played PSO on? My brother has it for the cube, so I've messed around with it a bit |
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| 18:17.20 | Patlabor221 | I have it on both cube and DC |
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| 18:17.52 | Patlabor221 | tho I mostly play on the cube cus it's got boradband |
| 18:18.05 | Patlabor221 | I wish I could transfer characters |
| 18:18.22 | Patlabor221 | have like a level 57 ranger on the DC version |
| 18:19.09 | scanline | :) |
| 18:19.11 | Patlabor221 | on the cube it's funny I have this little ( and I mean short ) hunter. and when she swings a sowrd or partisan it's funny |
| 18:19.19 | Patlabor221 | since they are like 1.5 times her size |
| 18:19.24 | scanline | hehe |
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| 18:19.49 | sussudio | ~pig stibnite |
| 18:19.51 | | stibnite is 29% pig! |
| 18:20.01 | Patlabor221 | I just wisht he game was longer and had more areas |
| 18:20.12 | stibnite | yessah. yes i am. |
| 18:20.14 | Patlabor221 | but I realy like how the did international comunciation |
| 18:20.59 | Patlabor221 | a team logo construction system like they had would be nice, allows customisation, but prevents the need to upload content that may be copywrited or inapropriate. |
| 18:21.35 | scanline | hey, if we had a comprehensive icon system we could eliminate text messages... save MrApathyCream some work, and not worry about censoring |
| 18:21.39 | scanline | :) |
| 18:21.58 | Patlabor221 | or do the pretranslated macro message thing |
| 18:22.03 | Patlabor221 | that would save bandwith too |
| 18:22.12 | scanline | haha |
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| 18:22.42 | Patlabor221 | I like that they had all 3 options, icon, macro text, and full typing |
| 18:23.04 | Patlabor221 | tho the macro text is not easy on the controller |
| 18:23.13 | Patlabor221 | binding macros to keys would be realy usefull |
| 18:23.16 | scanline | but to say typing with the N64 controller is cumbersome is like saying doug is a little annoying |
| 18:23.40 | Patlabor221 | yeah I need to get a keyboard for the cube |
| 18:23.53 | scanline | I didn't know they had keyboards for the cube yet |
| 18:24.01 | Patlabor221 | I see they have these new wireless keyboards for the consoles that have a controller built into the sides of them |
| 18:24.19 | Patlabor221 | they do, they just are not that avalable |
| 18:24.42 | scanline | ah |
| 18:24.47 | scanline | I should tell my brother to look for one |
| 18:24.53 | Patlabor221 | I wana know when they are gonna crack the cube disk and security format, they have 3" burnable DVDs now |
| 18:24.59 | scanline | mmmm |
| 18:25.02 | Patlabor221 | I want to get some emus on that thing |
| 18:30.08 | Patlabor221 | http://www.kingcube.co.uk/product.asp?id=133 |
| 18:31.06 | Patlabor221 | there is one with a larger picture of it |
| 18:31.06 | Patlabor221 | http://www.buyritegames.com/product_information.asp?number=GC-KEYBRD&back=yes&dept=1003&last=1028 |
| 18:31.10 | scanline | "about the same size as an xbox controller but with a keyboard. brilliant!" |
| 18:31.12 | scanline | hehe |
| 18:31.20 | Patlabor221 | wonder if there is a GL implmentaion on the cube |
| 18:31.35 | TimRiker | anyone test the shot cheat protection? |
| 18:31.59 | TimRiker | shot id is byte swapped for some reason, but that needs to get checked as well. |
| 18:32.13 | Patlabor221 | I was helping mac test some stuff last night but he went to bed |
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| 18:33.17 | TimRiker | anyone have a hacked client with high speed shots? Try it on one. you should see your shots, but nobody else will. |
| 18:33.25 | Patlabor221 | one sec |
| 18:35.50 | Patlabor221 | they seem to sill be fast |
| 18:36.12 | Patlabor221 | can someone go in and see if they can see the shots |
| 18:37.44 | TimRiker | headed to one... |
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| 18:40.13 | Patlabor221 | looks good |
| 18:41.03 | TimRiker | try shooting while driving backwards... |
| 18:41.22 | Patlabor221 | k let me get back in |
| 18:41.32 | TimRiker | I'm not yet calculating real tack speed to add/del from shot speed. |
| 18:41.37 | TimRiker | headed back... |
| 18:42.56 | Patlabor221 | seems to have the same effect if I am going backwards |
| 18:43.02 | TimRiker | cool. now to stop player velocity too. ;-) |
| 18:43.37 | TimRiker | I'm going to hack on shot id for a bit. dervish seems to think that can cause crashing. |
| 18:43.51 | Patlabor221 | Tim you should make all the limits on the server be overrideable by the server config file |
| 18:44.03 | Patlabor221 | so that a "flight" server could still be made |
| 18:44.18 | TimRiker | it's a compile time option. ;-) |
| 18:44.41 | scanline | :) |
| 18:46.16 | Patlabor221 | woudl be nice to not have to rebuild just to change limts tho |
| 18:46.35 | TimRiker | patches welcome. ;-) |
| 18:47.29 | TimRiker | can't see why the shot ids are reversed in bzfs. firinginfo is using shot unpack, so they should get swapped. perhaps the network code is wrong and they are byte reversed on the net? |
| 18:47.44 | TimRiker | I doubt that though as clients still interoperate. hmmm. |
| 18:48.46 | M_A_C | BTW, enforcing height limit won't work because client ignores his own PlayerUpdates |
| 18:49.09 | Patlabor221 | well you could warn them or something right? |
| 18:49.17 | scanline | you could still keep them from firing shots while flying |
| 18:49.29 | Patlabor221 | or kick them |
| 18:49.40 | Patlabor221 | can they be bumped to observer? |
| 18:49.55 | Patlabor221 | thats what subspace did for people who were too lagy |
| 18:50.01 | M_A_C | could be, but things like the jump bug would get confused in |
| 18:50.15 | Patlabor221 | and this is bad why? |
| 18:50.42 | MrApathyCream | yeah, spose |
| 18:50.46 | Jormungandr | I had someone on last nite that jumped to the ceiling of the basement map from the ground. |
| 18:50.53 | Jormungandr | was that a cheat, or bug? |
| 18:50.58 | MrApathyCream | I tried sending MsgAlive, but player ignores that too |
| 18:51.11 | Patlabor221 | the next one is gonna be protocol busting anyway right? and that version will have it fixed |
| 18:51.22 | MrApathyCream | basement map, well either player had like 2fps, of was a cheat |
| 18:51.37 | Jormungandr | lag was fine. |
| 18:51.43 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: yes, but until Riker actually busts the protocol, i'm certainly not gonna |
| 18:51.59 | Jormungandr | and the person was saying how they were a "N00B!" |
| 18:52.04 | Jormungandr | so my guess was cheater |
| 18:52.14 | Patlabor221 | well I'm saying put it in, don't worry about the jump bug, because in all likelyhood those with the bug won't be able to connect when it's released anyway |
| 18:52.42 | MrApathyCream | I guess i make a patch out of it. when Riker busts stuff, it can go in |
| 18:53.27 | MrApathyCream | You never know he may want a g2 before busting, dunno |
| 18:53.35 | Jormungandr | is it possible to compile just the server code without compiling everything else, and what would the command be? |
| 18:53.49 | Patlabor221 | on windows you can :) |
| 18:53.51 | MrApathyCream | on what platform |
| 18:53.55 | Patlabor221 | with a simple click |
| 18:53.56 | MrApathyCream | *nix? |
| 18:53.56 | Jormungandr | Linux |
| 18:54.05 | MrApathyCream | the developers platform of choice |
| 18:54.07 | Jormungandr | maybe a makefile option. |
| 18:54.11 | Patlabor221 | of course |
| 18:54.12 | MrApathyCream | make bzfs |
| 18:54.15 | MrApathyCream | ? |
| 18:54.15 | MrApathyCream | dunno |
| 18:54.22 | Jormungandr | let me try... |
| 18:54.45 | Patlabor221 | but me and you are crazy, with our "debugers" and "class browsers" and stuff |
| 18:54.54 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 18:54.54 | Jormungandr | not a makefile option |
| 18:55.08 | Patlabor221 | now If I could just get a CVS client that integrated as well as sourcesafe does |
| 18:55.10 | scanline | Patlabor221: I've tried MSVC++'s debugger, but I like DDD better |
| 18:55.32 | Patlabor221 | what do you like better tho, DDD or printf? |
| 18:55.39 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 18:56.00 | scanline | I'll use DDD for debugging data structures usually, printf with things that are easier to debug while they're running in realtime |
| 18:56.00 | Patlabor221 | F9 then F5 is perfect for me |
| 18:56.12 | scanline | and then there's valgrind, which nothing in VC++ comes close to |
| 18:56.19 | Patlabor221 | _TRACE :) |
| 18:56.23 | MrApathyCream | and trusty f11, shift F11 |
| 18:56.28 | Patlabor221 | what is that? |
| 18:56.29 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: just do a make. the server will build first then break the build. ;-) |
| 18:56.31 | scanline | you've never tried valgrind, have you? |
| 18:56.48 | Patlabor221 | mem leak detector thing? |
| 18:56.53 | scanline | no |
| 18:56.57 | Patlabor221 | what is it? |
| 18:57.10 | MrApathyCream | NuMega Bounds checker is sw33t |
| 18:57.23 | Patlabor221 | all teh numega tools are sweet |
| 18:57.24 | scanline | it runs your code in an emulated x86 with instrumentation.. detects any use of uninitialized memory, detects invalid reads/writes, and can even profile your code's usage of the CPU's caches |
| 18:57.30 | Patlabor221 | we use truTime too |
| 18:57.40 | Jormungandr | tim.. updating from cvs. |
| 18:57.41 | MrApathyCream | NuMega does that too |
| 18:57.46 | Patlabor221 | scan< that's what the numega stuff does too |
| 18:57.50 | Jormungandr | I think I can just go into bzfs dir and do a make |
| 18:57.55 | Patlabor221 | bounds checker, trutime, ect.. |
| 18:57.58 | scanline | from what I've heard that uses instrumentation you compile your code with |
| 18:58.02 | Patlabor221 | all integrated into VC |
| 18:58.02 | scanline | valgrind works on any linux binary |
| 18:58.12 | Patlabor221 | yes that is nice of it |
| 18:58.17 | MrApathyCream | scanline: it works either way |
| 18:58.22 | Patlabor221 | bounds checker has a lot of difrent modes |
| 18:58.28 | MrApathyCream | get more info if you compile with it |
| 18:58.31 | Patlabor221 | bugtraper is cool too |
| 18:58.34 | scanline | and valgrind is both free and open source |
| 18:58.57 | MrApathyCream | NuMega is on Win32! (see note above about developer platform of choice) |
| 18:59.16 | scanline | you guys are crazy |
| 18:59.24 | scanline | I've tried developing under win32, and it's a complete pain in the ass |
| 18:59.37 | scanline | I used to write win32 apps, before I discovered linux |
| 18:59.39 | scanline | linux was so much easier |
| 18:59.41 | MrApathyCream | i tried installing linux, and.... |
| 18:59.51 | MrApathyCream | yah right! |
| 19:00.21 | scanline | heh |
| 19:00.24 | Jormungandr | well, I'll play with this when I get back from my lunch date. later. |
| 19:00.26 | Jormungandr | & |
| 19:01.55 | Patlabor221 | they are difrent |
| 19:02.04 | scanline | the main thing that bugged me about windows I suppose is that it had nothing useful built in.. you had to hunt down shareware or commercial things to do everything |
| 19:02.19 | scanline | and now that I use linux, I get annoyed at windows' lack of a decent shell or terminal |
| 19:02.30 | MrApathyCream | as long as I like running debian in vga (320x200) mode it works great |
| 19:02.41 | Patlabor221 | and on linux you just have to find RPMS, andw wierd dependecnys and hope the shit compiles |
| 19:02.52 | scanline | Patlabor221: only if you use a lame distro |
| 19:03.14 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: try debian or gentoo |
| 19:03.18 | Patlabor221 | if I ask 20 difrent people, ever distro will be called "lame" by at least 5 of each of them |
| 19:03.25 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: don't try debian, it's hell's child |
| 19:03.31 | scanline | each distro has good and bad points |
| 19:03.35 | Patlabor221 | I have redhat 8, it works |
| 19:03.42 | scanline | genoo takes forever to install, debian is hard to install |
| 19:03.43 | gonkulator | debian is easy to maintain, but a bitch to install |
| 19:03.44 | Patlabor221 | does what I need it to do |
| 19:03.50 | scanline | redhad and mandrake are easy to install but a pain to upgrade |
| 19:03.56 | Patlabor221 | I'm not gonna be a sys admin or anyting |
| 19:04.05 | MrApathyCream | i installed debian about 12 times, answered the same questions the same way, got different screens each time |
| 19:04.06 | Patlabor221 | can, I upgraded form 7.2 and it went fine |
| 19:04.23 | MrApathyCream | never got it to work |
| 19:04.46 | Patlabor221 | all swaped with alt-~ |
| 19:04.55 | gonkulator | makes life easy |
| 19:05.23 | scanline | Patlabor221: I've tried alternative shells for windows... not bad until you use an app that assumes you're using the 'standard' windows explorer |
| 19:05.41 | Patlabor221 | I'm not using an alternitive shell |
| 19:05.48 | Patlabor221 | normal everyday windows stuff |
| 19:06.04 | scanline | I haven't even been able to get windows to run in months.. too hard to install |
| 19:06.10 | scanline | the installer usually crashes |
| 19:06.46 | Patlabor221 | ohh I know it's not the "best thing" but it is what most people use bucause they get it with there PC |
| 19:07.06 | Patlabor221 | the tools I have on it just fit the way I work |
| 19:07.18 | Patlabor221 | and I get paied to make software on windows on linux |
| 19:07.54 | Patlabor221 | but when it comes down to it, I could not get my DAD to install linux |
| 19:07.59 | Patlabor221 | but he can install windows |
| 19:08.18 | Patlabor221 | may not be optimal but it works for what he does. |
| 19:09.00 | Patlabor221 | I hear that gentoo is realy easy to install tho |
| 19:09.08 | gonkulator | it isn't easy |
| 19:09.12 | gonkulator | but it is very well documented |
| 19:09.23 | Patlabor221 | that sucks |
| 19:09.27 | scanline | if you know your way around a linux system it's easy, just takes a lot of CPU time |
| 19:09.28 | Patlabor221 | most people don't read |
| 19:09.37 | gonkulator | yeah |
| 19:09.47 | gonkulator | well, if you don't read, you don't go |
| 19:09.54 | scanline | debian's isntall requires you to know a lot of debian specifics, while gentoo's install just requires linux command line knowledge |
| 19:10.14 | gonkulator | gentoo's install also requires a lot of patience |
| 19:10.16 | Patlabor221 | I think that's why Windows and AOL are so popular, they treat there users like idiots, and the user like it |
| 19:10.27 | scanline | haha, that's it |
| 19:10.42 | gonkulator | scanline: I'll bet you that they wrote the documentation for installing while their gentoo installs were compiling |
| 19:10.47 | scanline | of course, a lot of users -are- idiots |
| 19:10.52 | Patlabor221 | most people don't even think like we do, they can't break a problem down into simple steps to fix it |
| 19:10.58 | scanline | gonkulator: haha |
| 19:12.38 | gonkulator | Patlabor221: well, since you can't convince someone else, I would assume that you can only break computer problems down into simple steps |
| 19:13.34 | Patlabor221 | no, but it's a mind set to be able to look at a problem and figure out what you have to do to fix it. Most techinaly proficent people have the mind set to figure things out logicaly, and not get pissy and throw things |
| 19:13.47 | Patlabor221 | we thow things after we try to fix it for a while :) |
| 19:14.34 | Patlabor221 | even better |
| 19:15.00 | Patlabor221 | Ive found that there are people who just can't think in the way you need to, to be come a good programer for example |
| 19:15.23 | Patlabor221 | they can't take something they want to do and break it into the steps needed to make a compuer do it. |
| 19:15.36 | scanline | A lot of that has to do with people that can't think about things abstractly |
| 19:15.47 | Patlabor221 | and they usualy ask "can't I just call a function or script or something" |
| 19:15.54 | Patlabor221 | yeah exactly |
| 19:16.40 | Patlabor221 | then there is Cell, who I think can think of stuff like that, but is just a lazy bastard and uses crap like C# |
| 19:17.14 | scanline | ha |
| 19:17.23 | Patlabor221 | or IRQ who just REALY like java like VM languages for everything. |
| 19:17.50 | scanline | there are places interpreted languages rock, but his idea was just dumb |
| 19:17.57 | Patlabor221 | very dumb |
| 19:18.20 | Patlabor221 | tho I must say I don't know what was dumber that or the smartcards. |
| 19:18.31 | scanline | haha, I missed the smartcards comment |
| 19:19.25 | scanline | I should post some complete crap to see if IRQ agrees with it.. maybe buy a USB thumbprint reader, and go in for surgery to have the bzflag client code encoded in your thumbprint |
| 19:19.28 | MrApathyCream | i like being an idiot when it comes to oses... That's the whole point of an os |
| 19:21.58 | Patlabor221 | comment it was like pages 2-3 |
| 19:23.10 | MrApathyCream | If you look up the definition of an os, 'rebuilding the kernel' is not one of it's uses |
| 19:23.23 | scanline | MrApathyCream: an OS shouldn't get in your way... |
| 19:23.26 | MrApathyCream | yet that seems to be what people 'use' linux for |
| 19:24.00 | scanline | you don't have to rebuild your kernel if you don't want to |
| 19:24.10 | MrApathyCream | The only real complaint i have about win32, is that people use linux |
| 19:24.33 | scanline | but a lot of people want to be able to customize their kernel, and I personally use the linux source code |
| 19:24.35 | MrApathyCream | scanline: And yet almost all *nix people seem to do it on a daily basis |
| 19:24.54 | scanline | ~lart MrApathyCream for arguing about things he doesn't understand |
| 19:25.12 | TimRiker | hmm... looks like shot ids are sent byte swapped over the net !?! |
| 19:25.14 | MrApathyCream | i understand fine. |
| 19:25.30 | MrApathyCream | it's the script kiddie mentality, rebuilding the kernel is l33t |
| 19:25.46 | scanline | I haven't rebuilt my kernel in months |
| 19:25.51 | MrApathyCream | your unique |
| 19:26.01 | scanline | no, I'm lazy about upgrading |
| 19:26.03 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: does it twice a day, and four times on friday |
| 19:26.33 | TimRiker | how the crap could this ever work? |
| 19:26.37 | scanline | but, on windows the lack of source code would get in my way |
| 19:26.57 | MrApathyCream | I can't say i ever said, jeez if I only had the win32 source |
| 19:27.16 | scanline | I guess you've never wanted to rewrite windows' GUI though |
| 19:27.17 | TimRiker | I can. ;-) |
| 19:27.21 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 19:27.30 | MrApathyCream | it's good enough for me |
| 19:27.43 | scanline | if everybody thought like that, nothing new would get invented |
| 19:28.03 | MrApathyCream | i want to work on MY OWN stuff. I don't need to help Bill out |
| 19:28.27 | scanline | so what if you did want to rewrite some part that windows already had? |
| 19:28.35 | scanline | you'd need internal interfaces that aren't documented |
| 19:28.47 | MrApathyCream | imagine if the 20 dev's on the #bzflag chat, were actually bzflag developers... Would be a fine proggy |
| 19:29.07 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: who started this conversation thread? |
| 19:29.24 | Patlabor221 | the only real complaint I have about windows is... windows users. |
| 19:29.25 | scanline | MrApathyCream: I'm not pestering you to work on my projects... |
| 19:29.26 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: I know scanline, and I know him to be the sort of person who doesn't start arguments |
| 19:29.38 | gonkulator | MrApathyCream: go find your own project, and stop talking |
| 19:30.32 | Patlabor221 | actualy all the hooks that you can hook into are documented |
| 19:30.36 | Patlabor221 | MSDN kicks ass |
| 19:30.52 | Patlabor221 | tho that is what I liked about KDEV |
| 19:31.07 | Patlabor221 | right click and get a manpage about a function |
| 19:33.55 | scanline | If I port jetstream to windows, windows people will use it |
| 19:35.39 | gonkulator | scanline: I'll not port it to windows too :) |
| 19:36.03 | scanline | of course, the same argument applies to MacOS X too |
| 19:36.27 | Patlabor221 | yes that's my problem with BZedit |
| 19:36.35 | Patlabor221 | windowspeople make WIERD maps |
| 19:36.41 | scanline | :) |
| 19:37.55 | gonkulator | scanline: it is the iAppleHype that motivates people to learn how to use their computers better, and keeps them out of my hair |
| 19:38.33 | scanline | It's the iAppleHype that makes people flock around steve jobs instead of doing things themselves |
| 19:39.10 | gonkulator | eh, I pick my battles :) |
| 19:39.57 | scanline | and that iDVD and iPhoto stuff bothers me in the same way that clipart does :) |
| 19:40.17 | gonkulator | yeah, me too |
| 19:40.29 | scanline | but iConsumers like clipart |
| 19:40.29 | gonkulator | can I interest you in a 28 pin EPROM? |
| 19:42.54 | gonkulator | its like those crazy canadians who call it "bee zed flag" |
| 19:43.15 | chsh[] | instead of beezeeflag? |
| 19:43.45 | chsh[] | Funny, the American English dialect is just that, a subset of the parent language. |
| 19:43.48 | gonkulator | what else could it be? |
| 19:44.12 | gonkulator | chsh[]: you from the UK? |
| 19:44.18 | chsh[] | and it isn't just 'crazy canadians', it's how most of the rest of the english speaking world speak it. |
| 19:44.45 | chsh[] | so you can say that some 280 odd million americans are right, or the other 1.5+ billions people who speak english are right... |
| 19:45.09 | gonkulator | chsh[]: who has the money? |
| 19:45.39 | chsh[] | right now Canada has a better economy than the US |
| 19:46.09 | chsh[] | per capita, Britain has more money than the US, and if the US were to try and repay its national debt, you would have to auction off more than all the government owned property. |
| 19:46.20 | gonkulator | hmm... |
| 19:46.34 | gonkulator | who has the most nuclear boms (of the english speaking world) |
| 19:46.40 | gonkulator | s/boms/bombs |
| 19:47.05 | gonkulator | who has the most ignorant population? |
| 19:47.14 | chsh[] | oh, so having nukes makes you cool? Wait, this is after you guys pushed for the disarming of Nuclear missiles everywhere, and bitched about France's underground tests? |
| 19:47.14 | *** part/#bzflag corndawg (~who_cares@c-24-131-245-105.mw.client2.attbi.com) |
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| 19:47.35 | chsh[] | well, I dunno, it'd be a close call between the French, the Chinese, and the Americans. ;) |
| 19:47.38 | corndawg | hiyas all |
| 19:48.06 | chsh[] | ;) |
| 19:48.19 | chsh[] | you said "who has the most ignorant population"? |
| 19:48.24 | gonkulator | oh |
| 19:48.31 | gonkulator | france wins that one hands down :P |
| 19:48.36 | chsh[] | yeah, lol |
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| 20:03.41 | TimRiker | freakin' wierd. shotids seem completely random. |
| 20:04.09 | TimRiker | what's up with that? |
| 20:06.14 | MrApathyCream | how random? |
| 20:07.43 | TimRiker | ahh... shotid has a high byte and a low byte. displaying in hex helps. ;-) |
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| 20:08.07 | corndawg | that sucked |
| 20:08.14 | corndawg | re all |
| 20:14.48 | TimRiker | ok. shot id testing should work now. |
| 20:14.59 | TimRiker | that's one client crash that should be plugged. |
| 20:16.36 | TimRiker | sf cvs sux more and more lately. |
| 20:18.14 | captain_proton | TimRiker: subversion ;) |
| 20:20.36 | MrApathyCream | how bout < 0, os is it unsigned |
| 20:22.00 | TimRiker | which is unsigned? |
| 20:22.25 | MrApathyCream | never mind --> shotid is unsigned |
| 20:22.32 | TimRiker | for -ms 10 you should have shotid lower bytes of 0-9 so I check against maxshot - 1 |
| 20:22.50 | MrApathyCream | gotcha |
| 20:23.45 | TimRiker | one is running it now. |
| 20:23.50 | MrApathyCream | the interesting thing is that the shooter will still see the shot go fast, but everyone else will see it slow |
| 20:24.18 | TimRiker | no, everyone will not see it. ;-) |
| 20:24.27 | MrApathyCream | haha |
| 20:24.42 | TimRiker | ditto for moving sw etc. |
| 20:25.00 | TimRiker | server just discards the shot, and with debug=2 logs it. |
| 20:25.24 | TimRiker | though the logging though be improved to add playerid or something and perhaps msg admins. ;-) |
| 20:25.28 | MrApathyCream | even better |
| 20:25.56 | TimRiker | so bring on that rapid shot hacked client. you'll be the only one that can't shoot. |
| 20:26.03 | TimRiker | there is an open bug at present... |
| 20:26.13 | MrApathyCream | if player goes to high, what should be done? can't limit him, as he doesn't listen |
| 20:26.22 | MrApathyCream | just boot? |
| 20:26.41 | TimRiker | seems that RF shots are not set to the lower ttl that they should be. RF now causes the same behavior as a hack, all shots get dropped. |
| 20:27.00 | MrApathyCream | hmm |
| 20:27.20 | TimRiker | yeah, I'm thinking boot [ban] on too fast, too high, shot origin not near tank, etc. |
| 20:27.47 | TimRiker | so lets fix the RF first k? |
| 20:28.30 | TimRiker | er that's "F" |
| 20:29.16 | TimRiker | shot lifetime mismatch 3.500000 1.750000 |
| 20:41.04 | jzaun | Hey all |
| 20:41.16 | corndawg | hi jzaun |
| 20:41.32 | jzaun | how is everyone? |
| 20:41.50 | corndawg | <-- bored |
| 20:42.18 | jzaun | <-- is board too |
| 20:42.20 | Patlabor221 | full |
| 20:42.29 | jzaun | Patlabor221: what ya eat? |
| 20:42.36 | jzaun | I had sgetty |
| 20:43.56 | Patlabor221 | chicken ranch dejoun pizza |
| 20:44.33 | jzaun | sounds good except for the ranch |
| 20:44.45 | Patlabor221 | relay you dont taste the ranch much |
| 20:44.59 | jzaun | I might like it then |
| 20:45.05 | Patlabor221 | adds just enough flavor and creamyness to blanace out the djon |
| 20:45.05 | jzaun | I'm not a big dressing person |
| 20:45.12 | Patlabor221 | it's not like it's poured on |
| 20:45.18 | jzaun | true |
| 20:45.18 | Patlabor221 | it's in the sauce |
| 20:45.31 | Patlabor221 | this place we went to makes a good pizza. |
| 20:46.03 | jzaun | well, at least you like it :-) and thats all that really matters |
| 20:46.10 | Patlabor221 | yup |
| 20:46.17 | Patlabor221 | tho it is CA pizza |
| 20:46.31 | Patlabor221 | not like NY pizza |
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| 20:47.51 | Patlabor221 | jzuan, do you have macross plus as AVIs? |
| 20:50.42 | MrApathyCream | i think i got server to boot hi jumpers correctly |
| 20:50.50 | Patlabor221 | want me to test? |
| 20:50.55 | MrApathyCream | ok, one sec |
| 20:51.30 | Patlabor221 | NP, just let me know when |
| 20:51.49 | Patlabor221 | Tim's fast shot protection works nice |
| 20:52.30 | MrApathyCream | ok, connect to the server that says HELP TEST WIN32.... |
| 20:52.31 | Patlabor221 | tho I wonder how it runs with slow shots |
| 20:53.09 | Patlabor221 | and bam, your right outa there |
| 20:53.12 | Patlabor221 | seems to work |
| 20:53.12 | bzdoug_ | what about rapid shot? |
| 20:53.20 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 20:53.22 | bzdoug_ | wont it bother that? |
| 20:53.23 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 20:53.44 | bzdoug_ | maybe it has the limit set at the rapid shot speed |
| 20:53.51 | Patlabor221 | I think he looks at the known limits of rapid shot and if you have the flag or not |
| 20:53.56 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:54.16 | Patlabor221 | I wonder if it will still let me do say a shot land mine. |
| 20:54.23 | Patlabor221 | ooooo shockwave landmines |
| 20:54.29 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 20:54.29 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: did you try it? |
| 20:54.37 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:54.37 | Patlabor221 | yeah got booted when I jumped |
| 20:54.39 | bzdoug_ | that would be cool |
| 20:54.41 | MrApathyCream | cool |
| 20:54.47 | Patlabor221 | be nice if it told me why tho |
| 20:54.55 | MrApathyCream | polite to cheaters? |
| 20:54.58 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: like have the shock wave go out 5 u or something? |
| 20:55.23 | bzdoug_ | and only activate if a tank is nearby? |
| 20:55.26 | bzdoug_ | and show up on radar? |
| 20:55.45 | Patlabor221 | well since some people are distibuting hacked versiuons, it's posible for a newb to get a hold of one, and not know that that's NOT how the game is to be played |
| 20:55.54 | MrApathyCream | heh, ok |
| 20:56.01 | Patlabor221 | doug, calm down, it was just a comment. |
| 20:56.14 | bzdoug_ | it would be a cool flag |
| 20:56.33 | Patlabor221 | I'd hate to have someone think that the game sucks because they didn't know they were using a hacked client |
| 20:56.49 | Patlabor221 | with the installer script in CVS they could even make isntallers for it realy eassaly. |
| 20:57.00 | MrApathyCream | ok, try again Patlabor221, should tell you know |
| 20:58.16 | Patlabor221 | didn't get booted |
| 20:58.32 | Patlabor221 | ohh I was on one |
| 20:58.34 | Patlabor221 | 1 sec |
| 20:59.35 | Patlabor221 | won't boot me |
| 20:59.49 | MrApathyCream | hmm doug got booted... i think my server is hosed |
| 21:00.02 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:00.14 | Patlabor221 | maybe it was just a random doug boot. |
| 21:00.35 | Patlabor221 | they have been known to hapen :) |
| 21:00.35 | MrApathyCream | k, pat try again |
| 21:00.44 | Patlabor221 | inc.. a cheater :) |
| 21:01.04 | Patlabor221 | there we go |
| 21:01.04 | Patlabor221 | nice |
| 21:01.09 | MrApathyCream | get message? |
| 21:01.13 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:01.16 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 21:01.29 | Patlabor221 | perhaps something like "please make sure you have xxx version fo the bzflag client" |
| 21:01.55 | bzdoug_ | I got a message |
| 21:02.04 | Patlabor221 | could even make it all programer cryptic |
| 21:02.36 | bzdoug_ | yea! |
| 21:02.45 | bzdoug_ | error HZ242353 |
| 21:02.49 | Patlabor221 | "Autokick: Out of world bounds, Jump too high, Please make sure you are using 1.7g0 or later" or something |
| 21:03.04 | bzdoug_ | please goto #bzflag so we can log your IP and ban you from all servers |
| 21:03.18 | MrApathyCream | send diff to Riker: He's a wordsmith |
| 21:03.27 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 21:03.31 | Patlabor221 | you don't want to punsish those who don't know |
| 21:03.40 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:05.07 | Patlabor221 | bahh, stupid IS dept, brb gota relog into domain |
| 21:05.19 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:05.43 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: you there? |
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| 21:08.26 | Patlabor221 | ahh there we go |
| 21:09.39 | Patlabor221 | and I got to actiate another desktop |
| 21:32.53 | MrApathyCream | Arg: found the (F) problem |
| 21:33.19 | MrApathyCream | FiringInfo gets copy constructed |
| 21:33.35 | MrApathyCream | the copied FiringInfo gets it's lifetime set to 1.75, the original one doesn't |
| 21:33.39 | MrApathyCream | we send the original one |
| 21:41.02 | MrApathyCream | probably should be: |
| 21:41.09 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:41.22 | MrApathyCream | line: LocalPlayer.cxx line 773 |
| 21:41.30 | MrApathyCream | -but getFiringInfo() is protected, presently |
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| 21:47.13 | Patlabor221 | looks like it needs to have it's time in the public light |
| 21:48.07 | MrApathyCream | Patlabor221: ? |
| 21:48.18 | Patlabor221 | make it public |
| 21:50.53 | MrApathyCream | ah..heheh |
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| 21:53.04 | sn0w_m0nkey | mornin |
| 21:53.08 | proton-work | 'lo |
| 21:53.38 | jzaun | lo |
| 21:53.46 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi justin |
| 21:53.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | hi proton |
| 21:59.35 | bzdoug_ | lo |
| 22:01.01 | Patlabor221 | cap dosn't work, who is he fooling? |
| 22:01.21 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:01.26 | bzdoug_ | *GASP*!!!! |
| 22:01.35 | bzdoug_ | there is TWO protons!!!!! |
| 22:02.06 | Patlabor221 | one is the antoi-proton |
| 22:02.13 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 22:02.33 | Patlabor221 | and proper english would be " there are two protons" |
| 22:02.48 | Patlabor221 | you sure they is teaching you in that thar school? |
| 22:02.52 | bzdoug_ | I did that on purpuse |
| 22:03.03 | bzdoug_ | like all me misspeelins |
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| 22:03.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm, found the rest... |
| 22:04.22 | jzaun | Anyone want to sell me a winning million dollar loto ticket for 10 bucks? |
| 22:04.37 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 22:04.40 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 22:04.41 | jzaun | I could use the $$$ |
| 22:04.47 | bzdoug_ | yea, I could too |
| 22:05.06 | bzdoug_ | but it would be better if you pay me 10 bucks for 5 bucks, then you get $$$ |
| 22:08.09 | Patlabor221 | web cam 17 dolla |
| 22:08.25 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 22:09.28 | Patlabor221 | eWebCam = curency.us.money(17.00f); |
| 22:09.41 | proton-work | Patlabor221: i work! |
| 22:09.59 | proton-work | <-- working hard |
| 22:10.06 | Patlabor221 | <protons-boss> Soo I see you decided to come in today |
| 22:10.12 | MrApathyCream | want fries with that? |
| 22:10.20 | bzdoug_ | coke? |
| 22:10.31 | Patlabor221 | <proton> yeah I had this realy cool idea for a tri phase liniar induction coffie post |
| 22:10.34 | Patlabor221 | :) |
| 22:10.38 | proton-work | Patlabor221: actually, <proton's boss" isn't here |
| 22:10.52 | MrApathyCream | which is why proton is working |
| 22:11.06 | Patlabor221 | who is proton's boss? |
| 22:11.18 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am protons boss :) |
| 22:11.27 | bzdoug_ | no, I AM! |
| 22:11.28 | Patlabor221 | no, you can't be, you are here |
| 22:11.36 | Patlabor221 | no doug you are proton's bitch |
| 22:11.38 | sn0w_m0nkey | i am everywhere :))) |
| 22:11.41 | jzaun | now proton is working, right? noone botherd to ask on what.... he could be working on catching up with sleep for all we know |
| 22:11.47 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 22:11.48 | sn0w_m0nkey | monkey magic |
| 22:12.15 | Patlabor221 | no cap is geting paied to do stuff |
| 22:12.31 | Patlabor221 | thats difrent the siting on IRC all day and gooing "ooooo that would be cool" |
| 22:12.32 | sn0w_m0nkey | he getting paid...hmmm... |
| 22:12.54 | bzdoug_ | oooooo, that WOULD be cool... |
| 22:12.58 | Patlabor221 | doug increment j |
| 22:14.08 | Patlabor221 | come on increment j |
| 22:14.25 | bzdoug_ | increment j |
| 22:14.31 | Patlabor221 | noooo |
| 22:14.43 | Patlabor221 | there are a ton of ways to do it |
| 22:14.47 | bzdoug_ | increment k |
| 22:14.54 | jzaun | j++; |
| 22:14.58 | jzaun | j = j + 1; |
| 22:15.07 | jzaun | j = j + 10 - 9; |
| 22:15.11 | bzdoug_ | f = j * c sqaured |
| 22:15.19 | sn0w_m0nkey | gamma function |
| 22:15.35 | Patlabor221 | int k = j; for ( int i = k; k < k+1; k++) j = k; |
| 22:15.42 | bzdoug_ | bleep |
| 22:15.43 | sn0w_m0nkey | nice |
| 22:16.15 | Patlabor221 | bleep is not a function |
| 22:16.41 | bzdoug_ | beep beep, and it went... ugh, and it was gone... it was a real good fuction |
| 22:16.49 | jzaun | void bleep() {}; |
| 22:17.03 | jzaun | now it is :-) |
| 22:17.12 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:17.14 | Patlabor221 | no that's not right |
| 22:17.25 | Patlabor221 | void bleep () {return;} |
| 22:17.43 | Patlabor221 | don't think you can have the ; outside of the {} |
| 22:17.53 | Patlabor221 | unless it's a proto |
| 22:18.02 | jzaun | yah, it was proto |
| 22:18.03 | jzaun | :-) |
| 22:18.06 | Patlabor221 | then no {} |
| 22:18.14 | Patlabor221 | void bleep ( void ); |
| 22:18.26 | jzaun | ok so it was the bastard child of proto and code |
| 22:18.48 | jzaun | :-P |
| 22:18.50 | Patlabor221 | typedef tiBloop int; tiBloop Bleep ( int iBleepCount ); |
| 22:18.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh you can inline it |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | m(f,a,s)char*s; |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | {char c;return f&1?a!=*s++?m(f,a,s):s[11]:f&2?a!=*s++?1+m(f,a,s):1:f&4?a--? |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.39 | jzaun | nOaPnPjPaOrPnPrPnPrPtPnPrAaPnBrnnsrnnBaPeOrCnPrOnCaPnOaPnPjPtPnAaPnPrPnPrCaPn\ |
| 22:20.41 | jzaun | BrAnxrAnVePrCnBjPrOnvrCnxrAnxrAnsrOnvjPrOnUrOnornnsrnnorOtCnCjPrCtPnCrnnirWtP\ |
| 22:20.43 | jzaun | nCjPrCaPnOtPrCnErAnOjPrOnvtPnnrCnNrnnRePjPrPtnrUnnrntPnbtPrAaPnCrnnOrPjPrRtPn\ |
| 22:20.45 | jzaun | CaPrWtCnKtPnOtPrBnCjPronCaPrVtPnOtOnAtnrxaPnCjPrqnnaPrtaOrsaPnCtPjPratPnnaPrA\ |
| 22:20.47 | jzaun | aPnAaPtPnnaPrvaPnnjPrKtPnWaOrWtOnnaPnWaPrCaPnntOjPrrtOnWanrOtPnCaPnBtCjPrYtOn\ |
| 22:20.49 | jzaun | UaOrPnVjPrwtnnxjPrMnBjPrTnUjP"),0);} |
| 22:20.52 | sn0w_m0nkey | i see colors |
| 22:20.53 | jzaun | main(){return m(0,75,"mIWltouQJGsBniKYvTxODAfbUcFzSpMwNCHEgrdLaPkyVRjXeqZh");} |
| 22:20.58 | sn0w_m0nkey | and dead people |
| 22:21.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh part of the linux kernel then? :) |
| 22:21.15 | jzaun | nope... smile.c |
| 22:21.32 | jzaun | http://remus.rutgers.edu/~rhoads/Obfuscated_C/smile.c |
| 22:22.02 | Patlabor221 | ohh part of it has Pr0n |
| 22:22.34 | jzaun | it actually makes a nice little picture |
| 22:23.47 | Patlabor221 | no I mean it had the world pron in there :) |
| 22:23.55 | jzaun | heh :-) |
| 22:24.07 | jzaun | just saw it :-) |
| 22:26.34 | jzaun | http://remus.rutgers.edu/~rhoads/Obfuscated_C/pi.c <-- interesting |
| 22:28.23 | scanline | that's a classic :) |
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| 22:29.48 | jzaun | scanline: whats the URl to your post? :-) |
| 22:30.38 | scanline | http://bzbb.homelinux.org/viewtopic.php?p=1587#1587 |
| 22:31.29 | scanline | haha |
| 22:31.45 | scanline | did that one for a contest :P |
| 22:32.00 | scanline | I also have a cute obfuscated tic-tac-toe game shaped like a tic-tac-toe board |
| 22:34.35 | Patlabor221 | bah it's got a printf in it |
| 22:34.52 | Patlabor221 | must be debug code :) |
| 22:35.59 | scanline | it doesn't output to the screen |
| 22:38.19 | Patlabor221 | does it access the addresses of the bios to temporarlyly overide the system error codes then cause the system to crash so you can see those codes? now that would be worthy of a prize |
| 22:39.10 | TimRiker | is it just a matter of updating the copy contructor? |
| 22:39.45 | Patlabor221 | MAC quit |
| 22:40.28 | TimRiker | yeah I noticed... wish me mentioned where that line would go. ;-) |
| 22:42.27 | Patlabor221 | hmm here is the site that the last cheat I got was from |
| 22:42.28 | Patlabor221 | http://knightmare.servegame.com/ |
| 22:42.58 | Patlabor221 | don't know if he's realy violating liscense, he dosn't post a binary just instructions on how to tweak the code |
| 22:43.04 | Patlabor221 | and how to steal VC++ |
| 22:43.14 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 22:43.37 | *** join/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a213-22-84-208.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:44.19 | Patlabor221 | tho that dosn't look like all the code |
| 22:45.57 | sn0w_m0nkey | ciao all. peace |
| 22:46.28 | scanline | Patlabor221: captain_proton gave me a really weird look when I showed him that obfuscated C :) |
| 22:51.26 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a213-22-84-208.netcabo.pt) |
| 22:51.59 | Patlabor221 | see he's a student |
| 22:52.19 | Patlabor221 | and I'm sure he secretly wants to make a portable open source GUI |
| 22:54.54 | scanline | haha |
| 22:55.03 | bzdoug_ | DIE!!! |
| 22:55.26 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 22:56.34 | bzdoug_ | ah hah! hes NOT working! |
| 22:56.53 | Patlabor221 | scanline, do you have Macros Plus? |
| 23:00.15 | scanline | don't know what that is |
| 23:00.26 | bzdoug_ | good! then you dont need it |
| 23:00.29 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 23:00.55 | Patlabor221 | ANime |
| 23:01.04 | Patlabor221 | very very good anime |
| 23:01.13 | scanline | so apparently I don't have it :) |
| 23:01.21 | Patlabor221 | you can cap must see it |
| 23:01.28 | Patlabor221 | I am trying to locate |
| 23:02.09 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@mxfcl8x119.chesco.com) |
| 23:02.09 | scanline | ok |
| 23:05.44 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:05.54 | bzdoug_ | how would I make my own sound effects? |
| 23:06.15 | Patlabor221 | 1: microphone |
| 23:06.22 | Patlabor221 | 1: sonund card |
| 23:06.25 | scanline | cat /dev/urandom |
| 23:06.28 | Patlabor221 | 1: one condom |
| 23:06.33 | Patlabor221 | 1: doilet |
| 23:06.38 | bzdoug_ | for real |
| 23:06.39 | Patlabor221 | toilet |
| 23:06.52 | Patlabor221 | I am for real |
| 23:06.57 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 23:07.09 | Patlabor221 | a lot of the sounds from myth were made with a condom and a toilet |
| 23:07.19 | Patlabor221 | and a PVC tube |
| 23:07.27 | bzdoug_ | no, a toilet and a straw |
| 23:07.43 | Patlabor221 | the condom was around the mike |
| 23:07.48 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 23:08.00 | Patlabor221 | and if straws are that large then sure you can call it a straw |
| 23:08.09 | Patlabor221 | yo don't put mikes in water |
| 23:08.14 | Patlabor221 | it would be bad. |
| 23:08.25 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 23:08.36 | Patlabor221 | what do you want to make |
| 23:08.55 | bzdoug_ | engine sounds and things |
| 23:09.15 | Patlabor221 | most sound effects start as real sounds that are tweaked |
| 23:09.24 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 23:09.27 | Patlabor221 | mike and a laptop |
| 23:09.32 | Patlabor221 | and a condom |
| 23:09.34 | Patlabor221 | just in case |
| 23:09.58 | Patlabor221 | you don't have one of those |
| 23:10.17 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:11.05 | Patlabor221 | I tell you that thing roxors the boxors |
| 23:12.40 | MrApathyCream | "I don't understand it bzfs process went from 4% cpu to 75%" |
| 23:12.51 | MrApathyCream | --well, my bad word list is 2.2 gigs |
| 23:12.59 | Patlabor221 | LOL |
| 23:13.10 | bzdoug_ | hahahahhaa |
| 23:13.22 | Patlabor221 | bit of a search time there |
| 23:14.11 | MrApathyCream | interesting that crs seems to hang out at bzbb, but not here |
| 23:14.30 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:14.59 | MrApathyCream | and tim never seems to go to bzbb |
| 23:15.09 | Patlabor221 | what is his name there? |
| 23:15.31 | MrApathyCream | who's crs? -> badger |
| 23:15.52 | MrApathyCream | course, i spose could be an imposter |
| 23:16.25 | Patlabor221 | Tim say he dosnt' read non SF boards |
| 23:16.41 | Patlabor221 | tho there dosn't seem to be much activity on the SF ones |
| 23:17.09 | Patlabor221 | did dukoot ever send in his exploit? |
| 23:17.16 | MrApathyCream | yeah, i think he doesn't want his sf stocks to go down |
| 23:17.30 | MrApathyCream | haven't heard |
| 23:18.30 | Patlabor221 | you can send a message to a specific user in bz right? |
| 23:18.46 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:19.00 | MrApathyCream | dot, right/left arrows |
| 23:19.26 | Patlabor221 | is there a limit to how much I can send to a single user? |
| 23:19.42 | MrApathyCream | Yes |
| 23:19.49 | MrApathyCream | MessageLen |
| 23:19.56 | Patlabor221 | what about number of messages? |
| 23:20.17 | Patlabor221 | I see the len now |
| 23:20.28 | bzdoug_ | all in global.h |
| 23:20.30 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 23:20.37 | bzdoug_ | change it to 90000 and spam a user |
| 23:20.39 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 23:20.48 | MrApathyCream | crash a server |
| 23:20.49 | bzdoug_ | called a "soft kick" |
| 23:20.56 | Patlabor221 | sad that it's client based |
| 23:20.58 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 23:21.10 | Patlabor221 | yeah I could msg flood out modem users easy |
| 23:21.36 | MrApathyCream | ~sud |
| 23:21.37 | | bzdoug is my friend, or shut up dave |
| 23:21.37 | bzdoug_ | do the messages to through the server? |
| 23:21.49 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 23:21.52 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 23:22.24 | Patlabor221 | if they didn't they wouldn't work behind a nat |
| 23:22.59 | *** join/#bzflag proton-onyx2 (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com) |
| 23:23.17 | fiberchunks | proton, you on that system with ns4? |
| 23:23.24 | fiberchunks | evening all |
| 23:25.11 | proton-onyx2 | fiberchunks: yep |
| 23:25.32 | fiberchunks | can you check out bzbb for me please? |
| 23:26.20 | proton-onyx2 | fiberchunks: looks fine |
| 23:26.25 | fiberchunks | good deal - thanks |
| 23:26.30 | scanline | good here too |
| 23:26.43 | scanline | :) |
| 23:26.50 | Patlabor221 | solved the case of the missing </table> |
| 23:26.55 | fiberchunks | thx much -- yup |
| 23:27.43 | Patlabor221 | ( next time on fiberchunk adventures we see what's up at the old haunted cotton mill ) |
| 23:27.59 | fiberchunks | lol |
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| 23:35.50 | Patlabor221 | there, now all the tank parmamters arn't const, so I am free to change them on the fly based on logic |
| 23:36.01 | Patlabor221 | to make the suppa cheat client :) |
| 23:36.57 | Patlabor221 | and then use it to test the anti-cheat code |
| 23:37.22 | scanline | where is this server? I wanna try connecting with my flight sim client :) |
| 23:38.50 | Patlabor221 | what one? |
| 23:38.57 | Patlabor221 | the jump one is MACs |
| 23:39.02 | Patlabor221 | and it's not perminant |
| 23:39.05 | scanline | I thought tim was running the anticheat server publicly |
| 23:39.14 | Patlabor221 | Tim has put some stuff on one |
| 23:39.23 | Patlabor221 | but it's just shot stuff |
| 23:39.27 | Patlabor221 | no movment |
| 23:40.19 | scanline | ok |
| 23:40.47 | Patlabor221 | your flying one will work as long as you stay a jump height below the highest teleporter |
| 23:40.59 | Patlabor221 | or no, the highest "thing" |
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| 23:47.31 | Patlabor221 | how do I check if a key is down? |
| 23:47.45 | Patlabor221 | or add something that can be bound to a key? |
| 23:51.06 | Patlabor221 | hmm dosn' seem like keymap does anthing with the shift keys |
| 23:53.09 | fiberchunks | there's keyPress and keyRelease somewhere in there |
| 23:53.32 | fiberchunks | playing.css |
| 23:53.37 | fiberchunks | err, .cxx |
| 23:54.22 | Patlabor221 | inline bool LocalPlayer::getKeyPressed() const |
| 23:54.22 | Patlabor221 | { |
| 23:54.23 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.23 | Patlabor221 | } |
| 23:54.30 | Patlabor221 | how does it know what key? |
| 23:56.01 | fiberchunks | well (bear in mind that I know very little about code), there's a myTank->getKeyPressed action in playing.cxx |
| 23:59.20 | Patlabor221 | ohh how od. ok |
| 23:59.22 | Patlabor221 | got it |
| 23:59.28 | Patlabor221 | single event based |
| 23:59.33 | fiberchunks | can you enlighten me please? |
