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| 00:06.23 | Jormnungandr | is there something on unix machines that would make it act differently than windows regarding header files for bzflag compile? |
| 00:06.37 | captain_proton | Jormnungandr: what do you mean? |
| 00:06.46 | Jormnungandr | bzflag.cxx: In function `int main(int, char**)': |
| 00:06.47 | Jormnungandr | bzflag.cxx:973: no matching function for call to `World::setLocale(std::string) |
| 00:06.55 | Jormnungandr | it's in World.h |
| 00:06.58 | captain_proton | does it give you some alternatives? |
| 00:07.12 | Jormnungandr | World.h:412: candidates are: static void World::setLocale(std::string&) |
| 00:07.51 | Jormnungandr | again... not a programmer :) |
| 00:11.56 | Jormnungandr | so, how would it see it, but not use it? |
| 00:12.50 | Jormnungandr | does the & on the end make it different, therefore it doesn't see it as the same? or is the problem elsewhere? |
| 00:23.15 | Jormnungandr | mmm. food truck got new fries. smaller and crisper |
| 00:35.11 | bzdoug | Mmmm |
| 00:36.42 | jzaun | but the best fries in the world are Pottato Patch Fries |
| 00:37.08 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:37.32 | jzaun | gotta go to Kennywood to get then though when the parks open |
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| 00:40.36 | corndawg | hey MrApathyCream |
| 00:40.46 | MrApathyCream | yo |
| 00:40.50 | bzdoug | hey hey hey we are the monkeys! |
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| 00:42.12 | bzdoug | hehehee |
| 00:42.20 | Patlabor221 | And lo did the gods upon high say let there be high speed internet TCP/IP &UDP packets and there were high speed internet TCP/IP &UDP packets, and it was good. |
| 00:42.31 | bzdoug | it is? |
| 00:42.34 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 00:42.35 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 00:42.40 | bzdoug | hm |
| 00:42.44 | bzdoug | I dont know about that |
| 00:42.45 | Patlabor221 | hell I'm geting way more then 256 up too |
| 00:42.59 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:43.17 | Patlabor221 | tho I do have to uninstall all this SBC yahoo crap from my laptop now |
| 00:43.26 | MrApathyCream | TimRiker: cvs email notifications must be busted, your massive checkin's are not being emailed |
| 00:43.50 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:44.30 | Patlabor221 | damn this sucker is downright peppy, well worth the extra 9.95 a month over the base. |
| 00:44.41 | bzdoug | lol |
| 00:46.20 | Patlabor221 | hmmm looks like I get between 256 and 512 up, that's nice. |
| 00:46.34 | bzdoug | nice.... |
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| 01:03.53 | MrApathyCream | checking..... |
| 01:04.01 | MrApathyCream | nope nuttin from cappy |
| 01:10.53 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 01:11.21 | MrApathyCream | ~sud |
| 01:11.23 | | bzdoug is my friend, or shut up dave |
| 01:22.51 | corndawg | lol this is funny... monster garage is turning a nascar winston cup car into a 160mph street cleaner |
| 01:26.44 | bzdoug | oh? |
| 01:32.39 | corndawg | yea |
| 01:32.47 | corndawg | kyle petty's winston car |
| 01:33.05 | corndawg | its on now |
| 01:34.03 | bzdoug | on what? |
| 01:43.07 | corndawg | discovery channel |
| 01:45.13 | Jormnungandr | brb... gunna reconnect so I don't keep getting silly messages. |
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| 01:46.05 | Jormungandr | there |
| 01:47.44 | bzdoug | there |
| 01:48.17 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:48.20 | bzdoug | what country... |
| 01:51.39 | corndawg | usa here |
| 01:51.50 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 01:51.55 | bzdoug | to invade? |
| 01:52.08 | bzdoug | I was thinking like holland |
| 01:52.15 | bzdoug | like sussudios house |
| 02:09.21 | bzdoug | What would a Beowolf cluster of Jesuses do in Soviet Russia, where all your base are belong to us? Profit! |
| 02:21.27 | MrApathyCream | captain_proton: how bout just changing some tabs into spaces... |
| 02:22.19 | MrApathyCream | or carriage returns at the end of the file |
| 02:22.37 | MrApathyCream | changing variable i, into variable j? |
| 02:23.07 | MrApathyCream | maybe even changing a pixel in one of the textures |
| 02:23.35 | MrApathyCream | moving a header to the 'include' directory? |
| 02:26.19 | MrApathyCream | help text? |
| 02:26.37 | MrApathyCream | win32 line endings, and back again? |
| 02:26.52 | MrApathyCream | load some unused textures? |
| 02:27.02 | MrApathyCream | some compiler optimizations? |
| 02:27.30 | MrApathyCream | PLEASE... CHECK SOMETHING IN!!!! |
| 02:27.53 | MrApathyCream | *sigh* |
| 02:28.00 | bzdoug | lol |
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| 03:05.22 | Jormungandr | work guys are screwing with vpn concentrator for trade show. kicked me off 3 times now. :( |
| 03:08.10 | corndawg | ouch |
| 03:08.12 | corndawg | that sucks |
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| 03:14.08 | michaelh20 | boo |
| 03:15.43 | michaelh20 | don't all talk at once now |
| 03:16.29 | patlabor221 | boo? |
| 03:16.59 | michaelh20 | oob |
| 03:17.04 | patlabor221 | bob |
| 03:17.16 | corndawg | ugg... helping a non-computer/techie type person is a pain in the ass |
| 03:17.18 | corndawg | man |
| 03:17.33 | patlabor221 | helping then do what? |
| 03:17.44 | corndawg | setup their email account for a new isp |
| 03:18.06 | corndawg | tell em to make sure they have the right email server and they ask.. "hum... whats that?" |
| 03:19.05 | patlabor221 | first rule of tech support... the customer does not know what any of the words you say mean. |
| 03:19.22 | patlabor221 | second rule of tech support... the customer is allways lieing |
| 03:24.18 | corndawg | lol yea i know |
| 03:24.40 | corndawg | i love talkin to att customer support... |
| 03:24.45 | corndawg | them ppl are morons |
| 03:25.15 | michaelh20 | that's what you get for $10-12 an hour |
| 03:25.34 | patlabor221 | as are generaly the people who use the mail addreses from there ISPs |
| 03:27.15 | corndawg | "i assume your on a windows puter?" "no.. linux" "welp.. please reboot your computer" "its linux.. not windows.. i dont need to reboot" "welp.. reboot or i cant help you nomore" fine... *turns off the connection from the network settings tab* |
| 03:27.24 | corndawg | dumbasses |
| 03:28.49 | patlabor221 | well they proalby don't use linux, and don't realy know what it is. |
| 03:29.12 | patlabor221 | I thought linux people didn't need help, they just hacked man pages? :) |
| 03:29.17 | corndawg | they know what it is.. they just dont really support it |
| 03:29.27 | corndawg | lol patlabor221 |
| 03:30.28 | michaelh20 | I'd have to assume you're in support huh? |
| 03:30.35 | patlabor221 | I used to be |
| 03:30.39 | patlabor221 | did it for 5 years |
| 03:30.48 | michaelh20 | used to work for customer service for an ISP |
| 03:30.50 | corndawg | you believe alltel refused to give me an account cause i run linux? heheh they claim that linux machines cant connect to their email servers etc... |
| 03:30.58 | michaelh20 | got the other end of it |
| 03:31.03 | corndawg | lil did they know i used my brothers alltel account for years |
| 03:31.12 | patlabor221 | just lie to them |
| 03:31.15 | patlabor221 | makes it easyer |
| 03:31.20 | michaelh20 | "I called the other day and they connected the ISP Line" |
| 03:31.26 | corndawg | yep.. i got smart after that |
| 03:31.26 | michaelh20 | "and now it doesn't work" |
| 03:31.40 | michaelh20 | I say do you have an ISP account? |
| 03:31.45 | michaelh20 | eh what's that? |
| 03:31.48 | corndawg | lol |
| 03:31.54 | michaelh20 | "O already bought the ISP line" |
| 03:31.57 | michaelh20 | I |
| 03:32.03 | patlabor221 | realy most people don't know how stuff works |
| 03:32.08 | michaelh20 | me: You need an account? |
| 03:32.14 | patlabor221 | we had a guy ask what we do at my second job |
| 03:32.19 | patlabor221 | and we told him we build computers |
| 03:32.20 | michaelh20 | them: this is outrageous we already have a ISP line |
| 03:32.33 | patlabor221 | and was just amazed that we could do that and wanted to see how it was done |
| 03:32.46 | corndawg | lol |
| 03:33.02 | michaelh20 | of course assemble sounds a bit less impressive than build :) |
| 03:33.06 | patlabor221 | he was a bit disapointed that it was a wherehouse full of boxes, 4 folding tables and bunch of cordless screwdrivers |
| 03:33.37 | patlabor221 | I wonder what he had in his mind that we did. |
| 03:33.57 | corndawg | hahah |
| 03:34.11 | patlabor221 | "oh yes and over here we process raw silicon to make the wafers for the RAM" |
| 03:34.29 | patlabor221 | in a 2000 sq foot office |
| 03:34.45 | corndawg | welp.. the one i was trying to help a min ago didnt even know what an ISP was |
| 03:34.50 | corndawg | i mean.. come on |
| 03:34.53 | michaelh20 | I know in MIT I think they actually build a simple computer |
| 03:35.04 | michaelh20 | circuits and all |
| 03:35.16 | patlabor221 | they don't know realy, they just know the check the e-mail |
| 03:35.55 | corndawg | <harm0ny> now isp are the ones I pay the bill to every month, right? |
| 03:35.56 | corndawg | lol |
| 03:35.57 | corndawg | duh |
| 03:36.08 | michaelh20 | for these people AOL == Internet |
| 03:36.33 | corndawg | hah AOL = assholes online :) |
| 03:36.35 | patlabor221 | yeah |
| 03:36.52 | patlabor221 | no not allways assholes, just people who paied WAYYY to much |
| 03:37.45 | michaelh20 | they are a bit fascist in their rules... |
| 03:37.57 | patlabor221 | ohh the compnay sure |
| 03:38.52 | michaelh20 | the infamous TOS violation reporting and all |
| 03:39.50 | patlabor221 | well it's AOL, what do you expect |
| 03:40.03 | patlabor221 | tho they do have a thing for marketing |
| 03:40.11 | patlabor221 | I mean who don't know there name |
| 03:40.36 | corndawg | yall seen netzero's new tv commercial? |
| 03:40.48 | patlabor221 | no |
| 03:40.49 | corndawg | its against AOL.. quite funny |
| 03:40.57 | patlabor221 | a lot of them are |
| 03:41.04 | patlabor221 | but realy that's what they have to fight |
| 03:41.11 | patlabor221 | tho netzero is not so hot ether |
| 03:41.44 | patlabor221 | make me use there god damned dialer |
| 03:42.27 | corndawg | welp... an AOL and netzero are both on aim telling each other about each others ISP.. when the AOL user tells the other how much a month he pays.. the netzero user goes nuts |
| 03:42.47 | patlabor221 | yeah I saw that one, when I loged into net zero |
| 03:42.54 | patlabor221 | they show comercals when you login |
| 03:42.57 | corndawg | ah |
| 03:43.13 | patlabor221 | $10 a month has it's own other costs |
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| 03:43.41 | patlabor221 | have to use there dialer, see adds whenyou log in, and there is this lame ass nnav bar they stick at the top of your screen |
| 03:44.05 | patlabor221 | but I only needed it for 2 weeks |
| 03:44.09 | corndawg | sounds lame |
| 03:44.10 | patlabor221 | inbetween DSLs |
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| 03:44.53 | corndawg | any idears what this means? |
| 03:44.56 | corndawg | The recipient is not acceptable to your smpt server. The message is not sendable until the recipient has changed. |
| 03:45.05 | corndawg | never had or seen that prob befor |
| 03:45.23 | patlabor221 | your SMTP won't send to the address you are trying to send to |
| 03:45.52 | corndawg | so the smpt server is wrong then? |
| 03:46.26 | patlabor221 | I have seen that on SMTPs that 1) will only send to addresses on there domain, or 2) ones that require a secure login to SMTP a mail with a difrent domain in the from field. |
| 03:46.30 | patlabor221 | no |
| 03:46.34 | patlabor221 | you got to the SMTP |
| 03:46.38 | patlabor221 | and it won't send the message |
| 03:46.44 | patlabor221 | you got an error from the server |
| 03:46.50 | corndawg | ah |
| 03:47.14 | patlabor221 | most SMTPS now will only 1) send after you check your mail, or 2) require a login |
| 03:47.30 | patlabor221 | it prevents spamers, and outside people from using the SMTP |
| 03:47.36 | corndawg | yea that i knew :) |
| 03:48.17 | patlabor221 | does it have a login for SMTP? |
| 03:48.39 | corndawg | lemme find out |
| 03:49.04 | patlabor221 | remninds me, I need to change my SMTP for this new DSL setup |
| 03:50.14 | corndawg | she doesnt think it requires you to login first |
| 03:51.15 | patlabor221 | well you can allways set it up to, if it dosn't need it, it still usualy works |
| 03:51.28 | corndawg | yea |
| 03:51.46 | TimRiker | yes, there can be a login for smtp |
| 03:52.13 | corndawg | yea... i have kmail setup that way |
| 03:52.35 | patlabor221 | my last 5 isps have required it |
| 03:53.02 | corndawg | att and alltel dont either |
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| 04:19.38 | Patlabor221 | awwww noone has responded to the worlds longest bz topic |
| 04:20.09 | MrApathyCream | read it, tho |
| 04:20.16 | Patlabor221 | I know |
| 04:20.21 | Patlabor221 | I was the last to post |
| 04:20.26 | Patlabor221 | I went a bit off |
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| 04:20.58 | Patlabor221 | at least I didn't sugest DNA sampeling |
| 04:21.55 | Patlabor221 | tho were you here when I pulled the "do this, or the cheaters have won" thing on doug? |
| 04:22.06 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 04:22.13 | Patlabor221 | ohh it was funny |
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| 04:22.19 | Patlabor221 | cap was helping too |
| 04:22.39 | bzdoug | hahahahaa |
| 04:22.41 | Patlabor221 | I said I would implement the smart card thing, I just need everyone to send me $50 |
| 04:22.43 | bzdoug | it was hilarius |
| 04:22.47 | Patlabor221 | and I'll get the cards |
| 04:22.52 | Patlabor221 | hey we thought it was |
| 04:22.59 | bzdoug | it was |
| 04:23.01 | bzdoug | trust me |
| 04:23.18 | Patlabor221 | you were on the floor LYAO right? :) |
| 04:23.32 | bzdoug | um, yea |
| 04:23.53 | Patlabor221 | see there we go scientific proof that I am funny :) |
| 04:24.00 | jzaun | anyone getting an error trying to compile the latest CVS code? |
| 04:24.12 | Patlabor221 | in main? |
| 04:24.16 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: not funny, just insane |
| 04:24.19 | jzaun | bzflag.cxx: In function `int main(int, char**)': |
| 04:24.23 | jzaun | bzflag.cxx:973: no matching function for call to `World::setLocale(std::string)' |
| 04:24.35 | Patlabor221 | yeah semms to only hapen on those leeeenox machines |
| 04:24.39 | bzdoug | bah |
| 04:24.45 | bzdoug | silly leeeenox computers |
| 04:24.55 | bzdoug | cant get a simple windows app right |
| 04:24.59 | Patlabor221 | doug, I got a nice set of sony studio ones for work and they seems to not squish |
| 04:25.15 | bzdoug | hm |
| 04:25.17 | jzaun | Patlabor221: ok, just so its not only me :-) |
| 04:25.27 | Patlabor221 | no there is something where it's not looking at the right world.h file |
| 04:25.44 | Patlabor221 | even tho the implementaion of that func is inline right in World.h |
| 04:25.48 | MrApathyCream | Get the development platform of choice--> win32 |
| 04:25.58 | Patlabor221 | doug, I can get the model number for you tomrow |
| 04:26.03 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 04:26.04 | bzdoug | nah |
| 04:26.10 | Patlabor221 | got them at best buy and I think they were under $25 |
| 04:26.12 | bzdoug | I am just wonderin |
| 04:26.17 | bzdoug | eh? |
| 04:26.20 | jzaun | MAC, whos choice? not mine :-) |
| 04:26.27 | Patlabor221 | I went thru like 3 pairs till I found these |
| 04:26.31 | bzdoug | ah |
| 04:26.34 | fiberchunks | chestal around? |
| 04:26.34 | MrApathyCream | works fine on win32 (as it should) |
| 04:26.57 | fiberchunks | or any other ducati admin? |
| 04:26.57 | bzdoug | REAL headphones, not these over the ear things? |
| 04:26.57 | fiberchunks | (evening all) :) |
| 04:26.57 | MrApathyCream | Does your World.h have setLocale?? |
| 04:26.58 | bzdoug | fiberchunks: mornin |
| 04:27.18 | fiberchunks | abent / moin / tag alle |
| 04:27.18 | Patlabor221 | doug: year real over the head, medium studio head phones with real leather-like pads, not that foam crap |
| 04:27.32 | bzdoug | ah |
| 04:27.41 | Patlabor221 | jorm looked at his and it did |
| 04:27.50 | Patlabor221 | he had the same problem |
| 04:28.03 | bzdoug | hmm, I shall take a look at them when I go |
| 04:28.17 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr couldn't compile? |
| 04:28.30 | Patlabor221 | doug: tho the only thing I can't do is wear my glasses with them on, they pinch a little with the glasses over my ears. |
| 04:28.34 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 04:28.42 | Patlabor221 | he gets the same error |
| 04:29.39 | MrApathyCream | hmm wonder if it's the inline reference |
| 04:30.13 | Patlabor221 | it isn't realy needed is it? |
| 04:30.45 | MrApathyCream | jzaun try this" |
| 04:30.46 | MrApathyCream | if (db.hasValue("locale")) { |
| 04:30.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.46 | MrApathyCream | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:30.46 | MrApathyCream | } |
| 04:32.17 | MrApathyCream | anyone remember what the official stricmp is sposed to be |
| 04:32.23 | MrApathyCream | strcmpnocase or something? |
| 04:32.34 | Patlabor221 | jorm also says he gets client crashes from null flags |
| 04:32.51 | MrApathyCream | yea, that's just loopy |
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| 04:33.28 | jzaun | MAC, thats fixed it |
| 04:33.29 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: help any? |
| 04:33.32 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 04:33.57 | bzdoug | Patlabor221: yea, but I dont have glasses... |
| 04:34.03 | MrApathyCream | a temporary auto-destroyed variable can't have it's reference taken i spose |
| 04:34.05 | jzaun | MAC, its compileing again :-) |
| 04:34.22 | Patlabor221 | doug: then you may like them |
| 04:34.27 | bzdoug | hmm, java is nice and all, but it can be SOOOOO unstable and slow |
| 04:34.30 | Patlabor221 | I don't have to wear my glasses allt he time |
| 04:34.38 | bzdoug | ah |
| 04:34.56 | Patlabor221 | let me see if I can find them |
| 04:35.01 | jzaun | MAC: well then why was it done? :-) |
| 04:35.09 | bzdoug | k |
| 04:35.10 | MrApathyCream | works fine on win32 |
| 04:35.20 | MrApathyCream | *nix compiler doesn't handle it right, spose |
| 04:35.38 | Patlabor221 | doug: I think these are them, they look like them http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11121347&m=58&cat=70&scat=72 |
| 04:35.38 | bzdoug | *nix doesnt handle anything right |
| 04:35.55 | Patlabor221 | actualy it's not the OS it's the compiler |
| 04:36.03 | bzdoug | hmm, interesting |
| 04:36.06 | bzdoug | 20 bucks too |
| 04:36.11 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 04:36.21 | Patlabor221 | they extend too so they fit rather nice |
| 04:36.36 | jzaun | heh, oh well, it compiled, but now I got to make it work with my new HUD... |
| 04:36.36 | jzaun | but for now, bed time. see you all tomarrow |
| 04:36.39 | bzdoug | hmm, with a cord attached? |
| 04:36.44 | bzdoug | jzaun: hehe, me too |
| 04:36.55 | Patlabor221 | yes they are corded |
| 04:37.07 | Patlabor221 | never had good luck with cordless |
| 04:37.10 | bzdoug | I have some radioshack headphones/radio thing |
| 04:37.12 | bzdoug | yea |
| 04:38.03 | bzdoug | they reason I got the radioshack ones is so I could "maybe" get one of them devices to hook up your mp3 player/cd player if your car dont have a cd or tape player |
| 04:38.13 | MrApathyCream | cappy always knows the stricmp conunndrum, where is he? on a date or something? |
| 04:38.18 | bzdoug | and it broadcasts the audio over FM |
| 04:38.42 | Patlabor221 | why don't they have stricmp? |
| 04:38.52 | Patlabor221 | what is up with that? |
| 04:39.00 | trepan | you looking for strcasecmp? |
| 04:39.14 | Patlabor221 | yeah that's what *nix has to use |
| 04:40.16 | bzdoug | http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11001011&m=58&cat=677&scat=681 |
| 04:40.39 | fiberchunks | so what's everyone up to? |
| 04:41.00 | Patlabor221 | it's just so much longer then stricmp |
| 04:41.19 | MrApathyCream | trepan yup |
| 04:41.22 | MrApathyCream | tanks |
| 04:42.04 | trepan | anytime |
| 04:42.20 | Patlabor221 | and why don't they have strupr |
| 04:42.46 | MrApathyCream | *nix people don't believe in capital letters |
| 04:43.10 | fiberchunks | strtoupper? |
| 04:44.07 | Patlabor221 | there is toupper |
| 04:44.12 | Patlabor221 | but that only does a char |
| 04:46.15 | Patlabor221 | dude fiber, you fixed the extra space thingy, right on |
| 04:48.20 | fiberchunks | cool |
| 04:49.00 | fiberchunks | funny thing that, seems that IE decides to render space equally vertically if the table cell isn't full up -- no other browsers do it, apparently |
| 04:49.22 | Patlabor221 | diefrent defaults? |
| 04:49.44 | Patlabor221 | so you just foreced it to be valight top? |
| 04:49.51 | fiberchunks | not sure, and i have no idea what the 'correct' behavior is (i.e. who's more compliant) |
| 04:50.03 | fiberchunks | no, removed a height='100%' parameter from the overall table |
| 04:50.15 | fiberchunks | credit due to wmdopple, i think |
| 04:50.17 | Patlabor221 | ohhh yeah , no realy need for that |
| 04:50.31 | Patlabor221 | well it looks good now |
| 04:50.46 | fiberchunks | good deal -- why you asking about *nix, windows user ? |
| 04:50.47 | fiberchunks | :) |
| 04:51.07 | Patlabor221 | hey I use a number of OSs |
| 04:51.24 | Patlabor221 | they each have there good and bad points |
| 04:51.28 | fiberchunks | j/k -- but are you workin on gettin bzedit operational under *nix? |
| 04:51.43 | Patlabor221 | there allready is a bze for nix, so no |
| 04:52.08 | fiberchunks | yeah, but unfortunately, I have tried everything in my power to get the derned thing to compile, and it just won't do it |
| 04:52.28 | Patlabor221 | you have all the gnome stuff? |
| 04:52.32 | Patlabor221 | it's tied to that |
| 04:52.40 | fiberchunks | yup, both the 1 and 2 libs |
| 04:53.00 | fiberchunks | who wrote that? I'll quiz he/she |
| 04:53.02 | Patlabor221 | well in it's current incarnation BZE for windows won't be going to ANY os soon |
| 04:53.07 | Patlabor221 | cap did |
| 04:53.12 | fiberchunks | ah, thx |
| 04:53.20 | fiberchunks | why not? big troubles? |
| 04:53.27 | Patlabor221 | 3 letters |
| 04:53.30 | Patlabor221 | MFC |
| 04:53.45 | trepan | ick |
| 04:53.48 | fiberchunks | foundation classes? |
| 04:53.54 | Patlabor221 | and badly done MFC at that |
| 04:54.17 | Patlabor221 | yeah I used it to get it out the door fast |
| 04:54.32 | Patlabor221 | but I have since redone much of the internals to where it dosn't need it anymore |
| 04:57.32 | Patlabor221 | I realy should just redo the front end with somthig that is abstractcted enough to where it can be easy to port |
| 04:58.10 | Patlabor221 | tho with the way it works, me and cap both agree it one of the few places where puting interfaces inside back end implementaions make sense |
| 04:58.32 | Patlabor221 | sadly |
| 05:01.46 | Patlabor221 | this, blows how can I make X take input from 2 mice? |
| 05:01.49 | fiberchunks | since I am such a poor hack at code, but have a strong interest in having a world editor for *nix, is the source for your app available as well? |
| 05:02.01 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:02.26 | fiberchunks | prob have to start to sessions of IMPS or whatever driver you're using (will need to modify XF86Config-4) |
| 05:02.46 | Patlabor221 | how the hell do I do that? |
| 05:03.00 | fiberchunks | add another mouse section, call it mouse 2 or whatever, and then specify the primary device -- but I have no personal experience in this area, mind you |
| 05:03.02 | Patlabor221 | and why can't it just take input from all of them? |
| 05:03.29 | fiberchunks | google on this -- 2 mice +X returned a whole bunch of stuff |
| 05:03.34 | Patlabor221 | this has to be a common thing on a laptop |
| 05:03.40 | fiberchunks | because you need 2 mice /dev files |
| 05:03.57 | fiberchunks | oh, you mean ps/2 and touchpad active? |
| 05:04.03 | Jormungandr | I still can't get bzflag to compile on redhat 8 from CVS. |
| 05:04.06 | Patlabor221 | USB and touch pad |
| 05:04.20 | Jormungandr | I am working on getting my wacom tablet and mouse to work at same time... shouldn't be rocket science. |
| 05:04.22 | Patlabor221 | tho I just restarted and it said it found new hardware |
| 05:04.35 | Jormungandr | on linux, anyway. |
| 05:04.38 | Patlabor221 | and that it modified my xwhateer config |
| 05:04.41 | fiberchunks | tablets are special creatures |
| 05:04.45 | Patlabor221 | there it goes |
| 05:04.54 | Patlabor221 | just had to restart |
| 05:04.55 | fiberchunks | working? |
| 05:05.02 | fiberchunks | ah, cool -- which the machine, or just X |
| 05:05.03 | Patlabor221 | how odd is that |
| 05:05.07 | Patlabor221 | machine |
| 05:05.09 | Jormungandr | yes, and no... it has you create 3 input devices. 1 mouse (cursor) 1 pen, and 1 eraser. |
| 05:05.15 | fiberchunks | did you hot plug it? |
| 05:05.19 | Patlabor221 | no |
| 05:05.23 | fiberchunks | hrm, odd |
| 05:05.26 | Patlabor221 | yeah |
| 05:05.41 | Patlabor221 | I did pull it and put it into another port |
| 05:05.44 | fiberchunks | Jormungandr: what errors is it giving you? |
| 05:05.56 | Patlabor221 | it was odd, I know it foudn the mouse since it lit up |
| 05:05.59 | fiberchunks | not sure about how 'stable' hotplug support is now |
| 05:06.08 | Jormungandr | hang on fiber.. need to log into that machine again... |
| 05:06.08 | Patlabor221 | ohh jord there is a way to get your stuff compiling |
| 05:06.35 | trepan | Jormungandr: which rev? |
| 05:06.38 | Patlabor221 | <MrApathyCream> jzaun try this" |
| 05:06.38 | Patlabor221 | <MrApathyCream> if (db.hasValue("locale")) { |
| 05:06.38 | Patlabor221 | <MrApathyCream> std::string loc = db.getValue("locale"); |
| 05:06.38 | Patlabor221 | <MrApathyCream> World::setLocale(loc); |
| 05:06.38 | Patlabor221 | <MrApathyCream> } |
| 05:06.39 | Patlabor221 | < |
| 05:06.49 | Jormungandr | bzflag.cxx: In function `int main(int, char**)': |
| 05:06.49 | Jormungandr | bzflag.cxx:973: no matching function for call to `World::setLocale(std::string) |
| 05:06.49 | Jormungandr | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.49 | Jormungandr | World.h:412: candidates are: static void World::setLocale(std::string&) |
| 05:07.02 | Patlabor221 | that's the same that jzaun had |
| 05:07.07 | Patlabor221 | try that stuff above |
| 05:07.10 | Jormungandr | trepan... it's 1.7 from cvs. |
| 05:07.26 | fiberchunks | oh joy, lemme see if i can compile now |
| 05:07.50 | trepan | Jormungandr: just wondering, 'cause 1.8 doesn't compile for me |
| 05:08.39 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 had all kinds of issues, and you need vorbis libs |
| 05:08.40 | fiberchunks | you need a whole bunch of diff libs for 1.8 (I had probs with libogg |
| 05:08.47 | fiberchunks | what he said :) |
| 05:10.27 | trepan | it was working, until the Flag.[ch] files were messed with |
| 05:10.37 | Patlabor221 | 1.8 is gonna be moved to an archive as soon as tim figures out how to anyway |
| 05:10.48 | Jormungandr | do I change current if(db.hasValue("locale")) thing or add this one on altogether? |
| 05:10.54 | Patlabor221 | change |
| 05:10.57 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 05:11.07 | fiberchunks | heh, same prob here -- |
| 05:12.11 | fiberchunks | what file -- bzflag.cxx |
| 05:12.27 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 05:13.52 | MrApathyCream | just update your view |
| 05:14.30 | MrApathyCream | Riker Lives! |
| 05:14.45 | TimRiker | heh |
| 05:15.30 | Patlabor221 | him and frodo |
| 05:15.43 | Jormungandr | holy granola! |
| 05:15.50 | Jormungandr | tons of errors with HUD stuff |
| 05:15.57 | fiberchunks | mmm hmmm, me too |
| 05:16.08 | MrApathyCream | really? |
| 05:16.14 | MrApathyCream | HUDRenderer? |
| 05:16.19 | Jormungandr | don't look! it's not polite to watch a grown man cry. |
| 05:16.20 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 05:16.20 | fiberchunks | yes, HUDui |
| 05:16.31 | MrApathyCream | like??? |
| 05:16.44 | fiberchunks | undefined reference to `Bundle::getLocalString(std::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> > const&) |
| 05:16.56 | MrApathyCream | need to pull 4 new files |
| 05:17.03 | MrApathyCream | 2 in include, 2 in common |
| 05:17.09 | MrApathyCream | and add them to make file |
| 05:17.10 | Jormungandr | update fron cvs and will fix? |
| 05:17.14 | MrApathyCream | or soemthign like that |
| 05:17.35 | MrApathyCream | do you have to add individual files to make files, or just have a cxx build rule? |
| 05:17.49 | MrApathyCream | looking... |
| 05:18.13 | MrApathyCream | ah, one sec |
| 05:18.25 | Patlabor221 | what changed in HUD? |
| 05:19.37 | MrApathyCream | ok, update your views |
| 05:19.43 | fiberchunks | thx, mac |
| 05:22.08 | TimRiker | BundleMgr.cxx: In method `BundleMgr::BundleMgr(const BundleMgr &)': |
| 05:22.09 | TimRiker | BundleMgr.cxx:17: exception handling disabled, use -fexceptions to enable |
| 05:22.09 | TimRiker | BundleMgr.cxx:16: warning: unused parameter `const class BundleMgr & xBundleMgr' |
| 05:22.09 | Patlabor221 | now why do they want to get rid of openprojects.org and go to this freenode stuff? what's wrong with a nice name like openprojects? |
| 05:22.17 | TimRiker | no exception handling please. |
| 05:22.43 | MrApathyCream | was just prohibitin cc, but ok |
| 05:22.52 | MrApathyCream | fixing |
| 05:23.08 | Jormungandr | let me know when I can update from CVS :) |
| 05:23.25 | Jormungandr | crap.. this is worst work night in months. |
| 05:24.32 | TimRiker | Bundle.cxx:144: implicit declaration of function `int sscanf(...)' |
| 05:25.04 | TimRiker | sscanf? sheesh, /me thought we were cleaning code, not dirtying. |
| 05:25.09 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 05:25.34 | Patlabor221 | change it to a printf, *nix people like those right? :) |
| 05:28.12 | MrApathyCream | sscanf -> atoi? |
| 05:28.34 | captain_proton | TimRiker: what is Bundle*? |
| 05:28.50 | MrApathyCream | For reading international strings |
| 05:29.09 | captain_proton | ah |
| 05:29.19 | MrApathyCream | what's the replacement for sscanf then? |
| 05:29.59 | TimRiker | cvs up -Pdr v1_7 and you should build now. |
| 05:30.08 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: I left it for the moment. |
| 05:30.33 | captain_proton | TimRiker: no exceptions? |
| 05:30.45 | MrApathyCream | std:: throws lots of them |
| 05:30.47 | MrApathyCream | (on win32 atleast) |
| 05:30.50 | TimRiker | there are 9 other sscanf's in the code. |
| 05:31.03 | MrApathyCream | i would use atoi, but cappy slapped me |
| 05:31.24 | TimRiker | MrApathyCream: exception handling it still buggy on some compilers. If the libs use them, that's fine. but the app should not. |
| 05:31.32 | MrApathyCream | ok |
| 05:31.47 | Jormungandr | I gotta do an ATI support report thing tomorrow :( maybe I can just call them and get them to agree that my card is bad and exchange it for me. |
| 05:32.11 | TimRiker | Jormungandr: send them to http://bzflag.org/ to try it themselves? ;-) |
| 05:32.21 | Jormungandr | the card is faulty |
| 05:32.26 | Jormungandr | so they'd do it with new card. |
| 05:32.30 | Jormungandr | still... good idea ;) |
| 05:32.50 | Jormungandr | I am certain I have a bad 9700 |
| 05:32.51 | Jormungandr | :( |
| 05:32.52 | Jormungandr | brb |
| 05:33.29 | captain_proton | an ATI card not working right? |
| 05:33.31 | captain_proton | you're kidding |
| 05:33.38 | Patlabor221 | imagine that |
| 05:34.06 | Patlabor221 | be more suprized if he said the drivers were good |
| 05:34.26 | Patlabor221 | even the rage128 drivers won't do hardware gl |
| 05:34.36 | TimRiker | bin/bzflag -locale en_US_l33t <- too funny for words. ;-) |
| 05:34.42 | fiberchunks | goody, can play now :) |
| 05:34.43 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:34.58 | MrApathyCream | Klingon is the next asked for language |
| 05:35.17 | MrApathyCream | I got a dutch and spanish one being worked on by some folks |
| 05:35.40 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: trying to get bzedit 2.1 to compile, and keep getting grief about libs not being there (I am positive gnome-2xx is installed) |
| 05:35.41 | TimRiker | Klingon has font issues. |
| 05:35.50 | MrApathyCream | the romanized version |
| 05:35.50 | fiberchunks | can you offer me a little hand-holding for a minute? |
| 05:35.56 | TimRiker | red neck? |
| 05:36.03 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:36.04 | TimRiker | pig latin? |
| 05:36.07 | Patlabor221 | no just bad englich |
| 05:36.09 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: what distro? |
| 05:36.12 | MrApathyCream | were is that red neck translator site |
| 05:36.14 | fiberchunks | mdk 9 |
| 05:36.15 | MrApathyCream | i forget |
| 05:36.24 | Patlabor221 | now engrish would be a good one |
| 05:36.56 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: i can perhaps do an engrish translation |
| 05:37.02 | TimRiker | http://rinkworks.com/dialect/ |
| 05:37.08 | Patlabor221 | "GG" would go to "Please have a good time the game in this comfortable space" |
| 05:37.18 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 05:37.47 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: got the appropriate -devel packages installed? |
| 05:38.10 | fiberchunks | ugh, since I upgraded OS, not sure -- which are required? |
| 05:38.18 | Jormungandr | wow... I think it compiled. |
| 05:38.22 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:38.29 | Jormungandr | HRAY! |
| 05:38.31 | Jormungandr | it did. |
| 05:38.40 | Patlabor221 | need to make bz go "Frawess Victoly" |
| 05:38.51 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: not sure :P |
| 05:39.07 | fiberchunks | have /usr/include/gtk-2.0/*/*.h on my machine though |
| 05:39.32 | fiberchunks | sry /usr/include/gtk-2.0/[gtk,gdk]/*.h |
| 05:40.03 | Patlabor221 | ohh my cap: http://www.engrish.com/videogames/source/samshowprune.html |
| 05:40.44 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: =) |
| 05:41.17 | Patlabor221 | http://www.engrish.com/signs/source/dorf.html |
| 05:42.09 | fiberchunks | I like the 'juice for everywhore' myself ;) |
| 05:43.03 | Patlabor221 | no this has to be the best |
| 05:43.04 | Patlabor221 | http://www.engrish.com/toys/source/fleshdrink.html |
| 05:43.31 | fiberchunks | oh my -- how exactly does that taste? |
| 05:43.56 | Patlabor221 | wow I don't think they could sell this in the US |
| 05:43.56 | Patlabor221 | http://www.engrish.com/toys/source/god-jesus.html |
| 05:44.00 | *** join/#bzflag puetzk (~kevin@12-219-21-189.client.mchsi.com) |
| 05:44.43 | Jormungandr | I'll try this binary of bzfs on my server later, M_A_C and see if it still has that wierd flag problem/crashing. |
| 05:44.52 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:44.55 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: what's the switch to specify the path to .h files again? -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 ? |
| 05:45.04 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: yeah |
| 05:46.52 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr: you say client crashes? |
| 05:47.46 | fiberchunks | still can't find gtk > 2.0.3 |
| 05:47.50 | fiberchunks | ugh |
| 05:48.04 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 05:48.11 | Jormungandr | except my linux client |
| 05:48.18 | Jormungandr | it got NULL flag |
| 05:48.23 | Jormungandr | I dropped it and got cloaking. |
| 05:48.25 | MrApathyCream | lemme know when its set up and i'll debug |
| 05:48.28 | Jormungandr | so some wierd flag thing. |
| 05:48.29 | Jormungandr | sure. |
| 05:48.52 | Jormungandr | if it crashes, I'll put it on another port, and you can look. |
| 05:50.34 | captain_proton | looks like there are some missing quotation marks in l33t? |
| 05:50.41 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 05:50.45 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: rpm -q gtk-devel |
| 05:51.48 | MrApathyCream | cappy i have a blank one if you'd like that |
| 05:51.56 | fiberchunks | haha, rpm -q gtk-devel reports (gtk-devel not installed), yet, urpmi gtk-devel says 'everything already installed' hahahahaha - phoot |
| 05:52.03 | Patlabor221 | cap: dpm |
| 05:52.09 | Patlabor221 | gahhhhh |
| 05:52.12 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132f6.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 05:52.13 | Patlabor221 | cap: don |
| 05:52.16 | Patlabor221 | son of a |
| 05:52.52 | Patlabor221 | cap: don't forget "I wonder why coffee tastes so good when you'r naked with your family" |
| 05:53.15 | Patlabor221 | 7th time is a charm |
| 05:54.30 | captain_proton | bzflag_en_US_engrish.po sound right/ |
| 05:54.36 | MrApathyCream | yes |
| 05:54.44 | MrApathyCream | language_country_dialect |
| 05:56.38 | captain_proton | i think some application of google translate is in order |
| 05:56.45 | captain_proton | it already gave me a nice answer for "join game" |
| 05:56.50 | captain_proton | ``connect a play'' |
| 05:56.58 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:57.37 | captain_proton | ahahahahaha |
| 05:57.47 | captain_proton | "find server" == "discovery restaurant economics" |
| 05:58.02 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 05:59.00 | captain_proton | connect is now 'close' |
| 06:00.11 | Patlabor221 | "The Art of Hot |
| 06:00.11 | Patlabor221 | Side by side, I'll be yours forever. |
| 06:00.11 | Patlabor221 | Because please don't weep." |
| 06:01.44 | fiberchunks | http://engrish.com/snacks/source/naturot.html |
| 06:02.00 | MrApathyCream | there are still parameterized strings that aren't translated, haven't decided on a paletable solution |
| 06:02.26 | captain_proton | of course....server is restaurant economics |
| 06:04.31 | captain_proton | Let us Set Economiceconomics |
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| 06:05.04 | sussudio | ~+dougdot |
| 06:05.06 | | Kentucky Pig Headlines: Pigpoop makes good alternative to peanutbutter says Doug Heckapig ;; The new Radeon 9700 is "Slick!" according to a pig ;; Student "D.H." won't shut up, beaten by other pupils ;; Lowest ever BZFlag score achieved by doug (-2980) ;; Boy takes pig to the prom, says *shrug* "She looked pwetty!" |
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| 06:07.59 | fiberchunks | ah well, bed time - nite all |
| 06:11.17 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 06:11.29 | captain_proton | Other informing announcements can ignite themselves occasionally on the HUD |
| 06:11.43 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 06:12.53 | Patlabor221 | ignite, good word |
| 06:22.12 | Jormungandr | what differences will I see in recent 1.7 cvs code that's not in the .rpm client? |
| 06:22.48 | Patlabor221 | the config file :) |
| 06:23.16 | MrApathyCream | <LI>01/05 - support for i18n in client |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | <LI>01/04 - config file support for bzfs options |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | <LI>12/12 - Better crack graphics |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | <LI>12/23 - Code to std::libs |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | <LI>12/18 - Fix client crash caused by evil player |
| 06:23.17 | MrApathyCream | <LI>12/19 - In place editing of Text edit fields |
| 06:23.41 | captain_proton | uh oh |
| 06:23.57 | captain_proton | this block of text is too long |
| 06:24.06 | MrApathyCream | bummOrs |
| 06:25.38 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 06:29.35 | Jormungandr | i18n? what's that? |
| 06:29.46 | MrApathyCream | internationalization |
| 06:29.49 | Jormungandr | ah |
| 06:29.50 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 06:29.55 | MrApathyCream | no one wants to write it so... |
| 06:30.01 | Jormungandr | so the crack is prettier when you die? |
| 06:30.06 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 06:30.22 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr: the crack grows over time now |
| 06:30.25 | MrApathyCream | and is random |
| 06:31.05 | Jormungandr | wow |
| 06:31.05 | Jormungandr | cool |
| 06:31.16 | Jormungandr | I'll see in about an hour or so :) |
| 06:31.21 | Jormungandr | <---- addict |
| 06:31.37 | Jormungandr | I played intil almost 4 this morning. |
| 07:29.01 | captain_proton | Rogues do not have teammates (the other rogues), it can thus smooth teammates not germinate and them not have a crew cut. |
| 08:04.16 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 08:05.46 | MrApathyCream | bed time |
| 08:05.49 | TimRiker | crasher is on dragon.org |
| 08:07.03 | Jormungandr | crasher? |
| 08:07.12 | Jormungandr | maybe that's why I keep breaking :( |
| 08:08.19 | Jormungandr | if I could see his ip, I can add it to ban list, but I crash when I run client. |
| 08:09.23 | TimRiker | host 64.172.14.15 |
| 08:09.32 | TimRiker | ~nslookup host 64.172.14.15 |
| 08:09.36 | TimRiker | ~nslookup 64.172.14.15 |
| 08:09.49 | Jormungandr | are you on the server now? |
| 08:10.09 | TimRiker | was. recorded the ip and the tcp/udp traffic so I can review later. |
| 08:10.23 | Jormungandr | cool. |
| 08:12.44 | Jormungandr | restarted with banlist. did whole class c just in case. |
| 08:13.59 | Jormungandr | he changed ips. :( |
| 08:14.11 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: 64. is a class B |
| 08:15.43 | Jormungandr | that's a class A |
| 08:15.58 | Jormungandr | 64.xx. is a class b |
| 08:16.06 | Jormungandr | 64.xx.xx a class c |
| 08:16.12 | captain_proton | err |
| 08:16.29 | captain_proton | what i mean is 64. addresses are supposed to be provisioned into class B networks |
| 08:16.40 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 08:17.10 | Jormungandr | but, those are normally allocated into class c's. I banned whole b, anyway. |
| 08:17.19 | Jormungandr | 64.172.*.* |
| 08:17.44 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: depends on the ISP that owns the block |
| 08:17.47 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 08:17.52 | Jormungandr | just annoying. |
| 08:18.49 | Jormungandr | gave me an excuse to put -fb on server. :) |
| 08:19.39 | TimRiker | looks like the same ip to me. 64.172.14.15 still |
| 08:20.05 | Jormungandr | he's not on anymore. banned all of 64.172 |
| 08:20.06 | captain_proton | TimRiker: any reason you were actually playing? or just for kicks? |
| 08:20.17 | Jormungandr | cuz it's a krad map :) |
| 08:20.22 | sussudio | dragon.org is laggy |
| 08:20.32 | Jormungandr | not for us. |
| 08:20.34 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: next you'll be saying its k-rad =/ |
| 08:20.34 | TimRiker | kicks. |
| 08:20.36 | captain_proton | err |
| 08:20.38 | sussudio | yes for us |
| 08:20.44 | captain_proton | i mean ejeet |
| 08:20.45 | sussudio | i did a /lagstats and didnt see anyone under 250ms |
| 08:20.58 | TimRiker | kinda testing the new code, but not really. ;-) |
| 08:21.12 | Jormungandr | I'm at 65ms |
| 08:21.21 | sussudio | a good way to reduce lag is to kick everyone using < 1.7e6 clients |
| 08:21.32 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 08:21.45 | sussudio | *cough* gerbil *cough* |
| 08:22.09 | captain_proton | why in the world is gerbil on an old client? |
| 08:22.35 | sussudio | something about his videocard being from the 80's and 1.7e4 running in a window |
| 08:22.48 | Jormungandr | hrm. I have -fb set and still no flags on top. |
| 08:23.02 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: flags don't start on top |
| 08:23.16 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: -fb lets flags drop on boxes |
| 08:24.03 | Jormungandr | oh, well. it was a good idea at the time. |
| 08:24.58 | TimRiker | join me on one: to see if we can get him on there? |
| 08:26.21 | captain_proton | looks like we got him |
| 08:26.24 | scanline | hmm, is bzbb down? |
| 08:26.50 | sussudio | wtf |
| 08:27.00 | TimRiker | hmmm... my tcplog did not get anything though. trying again... |
| 08:27.19 | sussudio | [Team] (UNKNOWN): BZFlag server 1.7g1, http://BZFlag.org/ |
| 08:27.20 | sussudio | [Team] (UNKNOWN): HiX 2.0 running 1.7g1 from CVS Tim@Rikers.org (20030104-09:01: |
| 08:27.20 | sussudio | crashin' .#$&**@u$%*(: crash off I command you! |
| 08:27.22 | sussudio | mother *)($#@ |
| 08:27.57 | fiberchunks | that son of a bitch! |
| 08:28.13 | sussudio | now i'm going to have to reboot to fix the stupid gamma crap |
| 08:28.46 | captain_proton | sussudio: xgamma |
| 08:28.56 | captain_proton | ohhh wait you play on winders don't you? |
| 08:29.14 | sussudio | gah. |
| 08:29.57 | captain_proton | scanline: down for me |
| 08:30.01 | captain_proton | hmm |
| 08:30.06 | captain_proton | we must do some warning-cleanup on bzflag |
| 08:30.33 | TimRiker | try one again? |
| 08:30.46 | captain_proton | TimRiker: lemme finish recompiling my client |
| 08:30.48 | sussudio | snort. |
| 08:30.51 | captain_proton | TimRiker: ok, ready |
| 08:32.06 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 08:33.39 | fiberchunks | that was interesting, any reason why that happens? |
| 08:34.14 | fiberchunks | scanline: not that I'm aware of, why? |
| 08:34.33 | scanline | fiberchunks: it won't load for captain_proton or I |
| 08:34.44 | fiberchunks | really -- hrm -- one second |
| 08:34.44 | scanline | oh, it's back up :P |
| 08:34.52 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 08:34.54 | fiberchunks | it was never down ;) |
| 08:35.06 | fiberchunks | hallucinations -- too much late night coding for you |
| 08:35.31 | scanline | I just woke up! |
| 08:35.42 | scanline | and some.. root beer! |
| 08:35.50 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 08:43.33 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: group hallucinations? |
| 08:46.48 | fiberchunks | why not ;) ? |
| 08:47.03 | fiberchunks | did it return an error, or just not display (timeout?) |
| 08:47.20 | scanline | just timeout for me |
| 08:47.41 | scanline | could have been your provider losing connection for a short time |
| 08:47.50 | fiberchunks | was this just a little bit ago? cause that crashin person was on turkey while I was on -- coulda been a DoS? |
| 08:48.06 | sussudio | the messages from crasher have a space instead of a : behind his name when he sends the message |
| 08:50.03 | fiberchunks | I've got a log of the person, and ip address, but there's something screwy afoot, imho |
| 08:50.14 | sussudio | just block it at the server |
| 08:50.38 | sussudio | dont allow messages that have a space behind the callsign when sending messages |
| 08:50.55 | sussudio | maybe autoban. |
| 08:51.41 | fiberchunks | well, the ip address is of a well-known player, and I'm unsure as to how this should be handled -- I'm talking to that person now -- but I don't think it's them per se |
| 08:52.12 | sussudio | i dont see how you can fake an ip, you still have to communicate back to the server |
| 08:52.39 | fiberchunks | in transit tap? |
| 08:52.39 | sussudio | look at the server logs, if there are any |
| 08:53.20 | fiberchunks | don't have access to server logs on the machine |
| 08:55.47 | sussudio | the address wouldnt be in the 216.4 range at all, would it? |
| 08:57.13 | fiberchunks | no - 64.xx.xx.xx range |
| 08:57.28 | sussudio | hm |
| 08:58.15 | fiberchunks | this person has indicated that it was unable to reach any other server while this was happening -- so I'm wondering if someone hijacked IP address (or if that's even possible?!?!) |
| 08:58.36 | fiberchunks | you would have to physically be in the path from that person to ISP, no? |
| 08:58.52 | fiberchunks | unless it's a communal link (like cable)? |
| 09:00.09 | sussudio | [4]Regis : 64.223.177.45:1893 |
| 09:00.09 | sussudio | [0]Laser : 64.230.7.36:1404 udp id |
| 09:00.09 | sussudio | [5]Jehu : 64.255.103.129:1061 udp id |
| 09:00.09 | sussudio | [0]Cub : 64.91.62.94:56735 udp id |
| 09:00.09 | sussudio | [1][STC] creeperz: 64.33.241.105:1261 udp id |
| 09:00.10 | sussudio | [5][~T~] Fiberchunks: 64.252.14.237:44103 id |
| 09:01.28 | sussudio | how can you have 255 in an ip? |
| 09:02.04 | fiberchunks | last node on the network? (means- I'm not sure) |
| 09:02.20 | sussudio | isnt 255 supposed to be a wildcard or something |
| 09:02.27 | captain_proton | sussudio: where? |
| 09:02.28 | scanline | it's usually for broadcast addresses, but doesn't have to be |
| 09:02.34 | sussudio | [5]Jehu : 64.255.103.129:1061 udp id |
| 09:02.43 | captain_proton | oh |
| 09:02.45 | captain_proton | thats fine |
| 09:02.55 | captain_proton | just how their isp provisioned their router |
| 09:03.52 | sussudio | do an nmap on the IP of crasher |
| 09:06.19 | fiberchunks | is it possible to hijack a person's static DSL ip without being on the physical wire somewhere? |
| 09:06.53 | sussudio | sure, if they're vulnerable to some root exploits..... |
| 09:06.57 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: what do you mean by 'hijack' ? |
| 09:07.26 | sussudio | http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/cam.jpg |
| 09:07.36 | fiberchunks | i.e. take my ip address and someone routes any packets destined (in reality) for me, but zips it to them |
| 09:07.50 | fiberchunks | s/me/my machine |
| 09:08.00 | sussudio | fiberchunks: proxy |
| 09:08.26 | sussudio | or just a firewall rule. |
| 09:09.13 | sussudio | are they running windoze or leenux? |
| 09:09.20 | fiberchunks | windows of course |
| 09:09.27 | sussudio | hmm |
| 09:09.40 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: well the issue there is routing - its all dependent on how your/their ISPs are set up |
| 09:10.51 | fiberchunks | hrm -- well, the person runs windows - with no firewall, and only runs av software occasionally (sp?) |
| 09:12.22 | sussudio | Jan 6 23:39:44 router kernel: Packet log: input REJECT ppp0 PROTO=17 64.170.55. |
| 09:12.22 | sussudio | 46:10134 213.17.50.22:137 L=78 S=0x00 I=55452 F=0x0000 T=110 (#85) |
| 09:12.26 | sussudio | coincidence? |
| 09:13.20 | sussudio | i think whoever was hijaaked should do netstat -a next time |
| 09:13.36 | *** join/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 09:23.44 | fiberchunks | hrm -- |
| 09:25.30 | TimRiker | 255 is valid in an ip. as is 0 |
| 09:26.48 | TimRiker | 10.0.0.255 is a valid machine address in the 10.x.x.x class A for example. |
| 09:26.54 | captain_proton | just like 0 is a valid port number |
| 09:26.56 | captain_proton | except on windows |
| 09:27.02 | TimRiker | heh |
| 09:27.23 | captain_proton | =) |
| 09:31.52 | TimRiker | hmm. perhaps I did not get the crash packet logged. |
| 09:33.28 | sussudio | TimRiker: the messages are sent differently. instead of callsign: message they're sent callsign message |
| 09:33.38 | *** join/#bzflag Ruudi (Sacha@80-235-70-52-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 09:34.25 | Jormungandr | huge wind storm kicking up in phoenix. |
| 09:34.28 | TimRiker | well, they are displayed that way, yes. |
| 09:35.11 | sussudio | the message was "crashin' .#$&**@u$%*(: crash off I command you!" |
| 09:35.29 | sussudio | hex 20 20 2e 23 24 26 2a 2a 40 75 24 25 2a 28 3a |
| 09:37.24 | captain_proton | sussudio: MsgMessage doesn't send the callsign |
| 09:37.37 | TimRiker | his nick was "crashin' .#$&**@u$%*(" in that case |
| 09:37.53 | sussudio | hm |
| 09:38.30 | fiberchunks | among others |
| 09:38.31 | sussudio | does using a nick like that make clients crash? |
| 09:38.34 | TimRiker | looks like my tcpdump didn't get the crash packet =( |
| 09:38.38 | fiberchunks | per that ip address |
| 09:39.54 | TimRiker | nope nick works fine. |
| 09:40.49 | TimRiker | not even full length so the nick is not it. (I didn't think it would be) |
| 09:42.14 | fiberchunks | how does a DoS attack against an individual work? |
| 09:42.37 | Jormungandr | depends on the type of DoS |
| 09:43.00 | captain_proton | TimRiker: could a bogus player id in the packet be responsible? |
| 09:43.17 | fiberchunks | in other words, could a 'hijacked' ip generate a large enough quantity of packet traffic to kill all the clients on a particular server? |
| 09:43.50 | Jormungandr | I had an ssh connection to my server at the time. no other stuff was lagged, or acting strangly. |
| 09:44.07 | Jormungandr | so it wasn't a bandwidth style DoS, or a TCP syn flood. |
| 09:44.22 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: are you thinking about this crasher fellow? |
| 09:44.28 | fiberchunks | yes |
| 09:44.36 | captain_proton | its not a DoS |
| 09:44.49 | captain_proton | he's sending some bogus data that takes advantage of a bug in bzflag |
| 09:44.58 | fiberchunks | oh, ic -- sorry for interrupt |
| 09:45.16 | captain_proton | oh geez |
| 09:45.23 | sussudio | it crashes before the server connection is properly made |
| 09:45.41 | captain_proton | ...i just made a pun regarding 'context' |
| 09:46.09 | fiberchunks | but the question still arises in my mind of how this person is emulating - or swiping - another valid players ip address (which is an entirely unrelated issue, I suppose) |
| 09:46.20 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: who says they are?? |
| 09:46.31 | fiberchunks | i am |
| 09:46.44 | captain_proton | explain |
| 09:46.52 | Jormungandr | I didn't see any real evidence of that when he was on my server. 2 IPs from same provider. |
| 09:46.53 | sussudio | fiberchunks: you dont think the player is actually the villain and trying to convince you otherwise? |
| 09:47.02 | fiberchunks | not this person, no |
| 09:47.11 | fiberchunks | what ips? |
| 09:47.41 | fiberchunks | only one I saw was 64.172.14.15 |
| 09:48.12 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: explain from the beginning |
| 09:48.20 | Jormungandr | the other was 13.somethng |
| 09:48.28 | Jormungandr | from same 64.172 |
| 09:52.14 | fiberchunks | captain_proton: sorry, to get back to it -- the ip address that crashin' used is the static ip, that a relatively well-trusted person who plays often uses |
| 09:52.26 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 09:53.57 | fiberchunks | and I'd like to alleviate any doubt about whom it is - but am unsure where to start (or even if it's possible to figure out, given the data) |
| 09:55.34 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: static? i have a hard time believing anything in a 64. range is static |
| 09:55.53 | fiberchunks | I'm in the 64. range, and I'm on a static IP. |
| 09:56.13 | fiberchunks | I think pacbell, snet, and other SBC companies issue statics in that range |
| 09:57.53 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: and who do you think owns that IP? |
| 09:58.16 | sussudio | dervish, appearently |
| 09:58.21 | fiberchunks | bingo |
| 09:58.27 | sussudio | whom i dont trust. |
| 09:58.43 | captain_proton | harumph |
| 09:59.11 | fiberchunks | that's why I'm trying to figure out who this is, and what really happened (don't care about the results, just want the truth is all) |
| 09:59.58 | captain_proton | well, either (a) dervish got sploited and they're running something from his machine [unlikely], (b) the crasher is repeatedly successfully pulling off an ISN prediction [very unlikely], (c) its dervish [ehh, could be] |
| 10:00.35 | fiberchunks | that's why i'd like to find out the truth -- cause if so, actions need to be taken on my behalf |
| 10:01.27 | Jormungandr | that ip is pacbell dsl |
| 10:01.37 | fiberchunks | yes, it is -- he lives in CA |
| 10:01.48 | Jormungandr | person came back on same network, with different ip seconds later. |
| 10:02.11 | fiberchunks | he's got a block of ips -- he's now using 64.172.14.11 |
| 10:02.31 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: are you sure that IP is static? |
| 10:02.32 | Jormungandr | I coulda swore one of those was not on .14 |
| 10:02.33 | sussudio | now at this moment? |
| 10:02.43 | fiberchunks | yes, dervish is, that is |
| 10:02.55 | fiberchunks | he changed it, cause 'he was worried' |
| 10:03.39 | fiberchunks | sorry, the ip is 64.172.15.11 he's using now, not 14.11 |
| 10:03.53 | sussudio | earlier you said the ip's were static |
| 10:04.09 | Jormungandr | here is one from earlier.... |
| 10:04.16 | Jormungandr | tcp 0 0 216.19.192.10:6667 216.19.192.10:32885 ESTABLISHED |
| 10:04.16 | Jormungandr | tcp 0 0 216.19.192.10:5156 64.172.15.14:2448 ESTABLISHED |
| 10:04.16 | Jormungandr | tcp 0 0 216.19.192.10:22 68.99.227.92:1333 ESTABLISHED |
| 10:04.25 | fiberchunks | when you sign up for sbc DSL, you can get a block of 5 static ips if you pay more |
| 10:04.28 | Jormungandr | 15.14 |
| 10:05.19 | fiberchunks | flooding - 10 lines: Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are eryhre |
| 10:05.19 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are [RLF] Dervish DuKot |
| 10:05.19 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are crashin' |
| 10:05.19 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are crashin' .#$&**@u$%*( |
| 10:05.19 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are crashin' .#$&**@$^#{:}^$ |
| 10:05.20 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are beefsticktest |
| 10:05.22 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are nigeria_man |
| 10:05.24 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are beefstick, I'm hungry!!! |
| 10:05.26 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are crashin, crashin, crashin |
| 10:05.28 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are Tyrone Jamaica |
| 10:05.30 | fiberchunks | Callsign(s) of IP: 64.172.15.14 are AfroPride Jamal |
| 10:06.28 | fiberchunks | now he's told me that he does indeed use: beefstick*, and of course, Dervish Dukot...but the others he swears aren't his |
| 10:06.51 | fiberchunks | true? who knows |
| 10:07.32 | Jormungandr | you can't maintain a sustained connection like that unless you are on same network. |
| 10:07.45 | Jormungandr | on same network segment |
| 10:10.06 | fiberchunks | well, he has been known to float around with a mod client -- perhaps he's spreading his wings and crashing clients now (which would really piss me off, by the way) |
| 10:10.10 | fiberchunks | :\ |
| 10:10.58 | fiberchunks | I don't mind testing stuff with a warning, but going to an active server and crashing things, is unacceptable behavior, imho |
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| 10:12.46 | fiberchunks | note that there is now a post by him on the board about this -- I really have no idea what to believe now -- dammit (any ideas?) |
| 10:13.25 | Jormungandr | if those times where he was using dervish callsign and one of the crash ones are close together, then it is impossible for it to be anyone else. |
| 10:13.55 | fiberchunks | well, I'm unsure of when the callsigns were used .. but I may be able to find out |
| 10:14.05 | Jormungandr | just a thought. |
| 10:14.09 | fiberchunks | thx |
| 10:15.06 | Jormungandr | being a sys admin, and a routing person, I just know how impossible it is to pull this off unless the person literally hijacked his connection. |
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| 10:20.23 | fiberchunks | ugh |
| 10:20.55 | captain_proton | Jormungandr: its not -completely- impossible to pull of several ISN predictions ;) |
| 10:21.15 | Jormungandr | it takes time, though. |
| 10:21.23 | Jormungandr | person did it in seconds after I banned |
| 10:22.18 | Jormungandr | read post. it smells like rotten tuna |
| 10:22.24 | Jormungandr | in the microwave, even. |
| 10:23.02 | scanline | hmm, where was that site with graphs of the distribution of ISN numbers in different TCP/IP stacks? |
| 10:24.01 | captain_proton | scanline: you mean that paper on strange attractors as ISN models? |
| 10:24.07 | scanline | yeah |
| 10:24.15 | captain_proton | dunno where it was :) |
| 10:24.24 | scanline | it was cool though :) |
| 10:24.30 | fiberchunks | ISN? |
| 10:24.38 | captain_proton | fiberchunks: initial sequence number |
| 10:24.45 | fiberchunks | pardon my ignorance, not savvy on network stuff |
| 10:26.10 | captain_proton | ok, tcp works on the concept of 'sequence numbers' |
| 10:26.35 | captain_proton | since you're never sure if a packet will make it to the destination, or even that packets will arrive in order, each packet is assigned a number |
| 10:27.05 | captain_proton | when the other side recieves a packet, it sends an ACK (acknowledgement) with that same sequence number |
| 10:27.33 | captain_proton | when one is spoofing (sending out packets with a forged source address), they can't see the reply packets, because those are getting sent to the host they're pretending to be |
| 10:28.42 | captain_proton | so they have to "guess" the initial sequence number that the server sends out in order to get a tcp session started |
| 10:28.42 | captain_proton | if they guess right, they can spoof with tcp |
| 10:29.02 | fiberchunks | ah, that makes sense, thanks much :) |
| 10:29.31 | Jormungandr | got to get to bed... nite all. |
| 10:29.35 | Jormungandr | & |
| 10:29.37 | fiberchunks | nite |
| 10:30.23 | scanline | captain_proton: if you want to see how Surface is supposed to work, svn up and try zooming in and out of the sphere with wireframe on then off :) |
| 10:31.45 | scanline | captain_proton: it should be usable as-is, but not optimal. I'll committ again when I have it 100% working, but for now it should be good enough to write additional SurfaceGenerators and SurfaceModifiers, or add code to SceneNode |
| 10:31.51 | scanline | we could use translation and rotation in SceneNode |
| 10:32.14 | scanline | we probably want to represent SceneNode rotation as a quaternion |
| 10:32.56 | scanline | or we could just specify a 4x4 matrix to push on the GL matrix stack |
| 10:33.00 | captain_proton | i'll do thatt tomorrow :P |
| 10:33.02 | scanline | but that would be less useful to edit |
| 10:33.07 | scanline | mmkay |
| 10:33.28 | captain_proton | well we can represent it internally as a quaternion and position vector |
| 10:33.37 | captain_proton | and spit out a matrix |
| 10:33.39 | sussudio | "There's a lot of hackers/crackers who play BZFlag because of it's open-source and UNIX friendly persona, and I'm sure many have no sense of ethics." |
| 10:33.43 | sussudio | i'd like to say: fuck you dervish. |
| 10:34.04 | captain_proton | so if we care to interpolate between two scene-node orientations it'll be simple |
| 10:34.15 | scanline | captain_proton: right |
| 10:35.12 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 10:35.36 | Secret_Hamster | do people still have that view of Linux users and opensource? |
| 10:35.46 | sussudio | " It is considered a criminal act to perform this sort of hacking/cracking and I will prosecute. If you're going to do something, don't use my IP address, and be it known that there are others in the community who will track you down." |
| 10:35.46 | fiberchunks | believe so |
| 10:36.03 | sussudio | (with cellmate spoogebob) |
| 10:36.14 | scanline | hah |
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| 10:36.23 | fiberchunks | 'PC Load Letter!' wtf does that mean?!?!? |
| 10:36.33 | scanline | This is a.. fuck! |
| 10:36.46 | Secret_Hamster | I never realised that was really taken up by anyone. I just thought it was Bill Gates and the rest of the M$ board trying to bad-mouth Linux |
| 10:36.52 | captain_proton | its a letter telling you how loaded your PC is |
| 10:36.52 | fiberchunks | lol |
| 10:37.02 | fiberchunks | what a great movie office space is -- |
| 10:37.02 | scanline | hehe |
| 10:37.06 | scanline | indeed |
| 10:37.19 | captain_proton | scanline: did you pull out geomorphing? |
| 10:37.44 | scanline | captain_proton: it's running in split-only mode with geomorphing disabled |
| 10:38.05 | scanline | Surface.cpp line 980 has the flag to change that |
| 10:39.04 | captain_proton | scanline: ahh, so you haven't actually -fixed- the bug ;) |
| 10:40.01 | scanline | no, I just added a flag to disable merging so I could make sure that was where the problem was coming from |
| 10:40.46 | scanline | and with this band-aid in place, Surface is usable enough to develop other parts of the code if necessary |
| 10:40.51 | scanline | I'll keep trying to fix the bug of course |
| 10:41.58 | captain_proton | well, headache is getting the best of me |
| 10:42.00 | captain_proton | off to bed |
| 10:42.44 | fiberchunks | gnite |
| 10:43.03 | fiberchunks | I guess I'll try sleep again too -- gnite gents / ladies. |
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| 12:31.15 | rooter | hello all! |
| 12:47.31 | scanline | hi |
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| 14:04.01 | Chestal | hi |
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| 14:11.33 | jamarier | hi, i just connect my joystick and i can't play with it. i use "-joystick yes" option and "-joystickname js0" and "/dev/js0" (i'm in linux) |
| 14:11.55 | jamarier | ¿any help? |
| 14:12.06 | jamarier | jstest is running ok |
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| 14:29.13 | MrApathyCream | Chestal Lives! |
| 14:30.36 | Chestal | uh? |
| 14:31.08 | Chestal | jamarier: sorry, I know nothing about bzflag joystick support |
| 14:31.46 | MrApathyCream | <checkin> |
| 14:31.56 | Chestal | MAC: who did the German translation? it's a bit rough here and there IMHO |
| 14:31.57 | bzdoug_ | JOY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 14:32.15 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: I would feed it through google.... |
| 14:32.20 | Chestal | MAC: copy c'tor and assignment operator implementation could just be removed, no? |
| 14:35.09 | MrApathyCream | I would like them declared private, as a protection against people copying them |
| 14:35.32 | scanline | ~dougsmack |
| 14:35.38 | MrApathyCream | Chestal: akira, and it's only minorly done, if you would like to do it that would be great |
| 14:35.58 | bzdoug_ | ~kill scanline |
| 14:36.33 | sussudio | ~dougdot |
| 14:36.35 | | Kentucky Pig Headlines: Pigpoop makes good alternative to peanutbutter says Doug Heckapig ;; The new Radeon 9700 is "Slick!" according to a pig ;; Student "D.H." won't shut up, beaten by other pupils ;; Lowest ever BZFlag score achieved by doug (-2980) ;; Boy takes pig to the prom, says *shrug* "She looked pwetty!" |
| 14:37.32 | bzdoug_ | bwuahahaha |
| 14:38.06 | MrApathyCream | Sending you a complete (empty) translation file |
| 14:38.09 | MrApathyCream | if you like |
| 14:38.21 | MrApathyCream | well as complete as it is now |
| 14:38.57 | Chestal | well, maybe I'll take a look atit |
| 14:39.16 | Chestal | MAC: what's your though tabout the implementation of copy c'tor, I suggest to remove them |
| 14:39.38 | Chestal | they cannot be called anyway |
| 14:39.39 | MrApathyCream | my point is making them private keeps people from accidently using them |
| 14:39.49 | Chestal | yes, that's ok |
| 14:39.59 | Chestal | but we don't need to implement them, just keep the declaration |
| 14:40.00 | MrApathyCream | Someone 'could' do Bundle b = *pBundle; |
| 14:40.18 | MrApathyCream | oh, i see, i guess that's ok |
| 14:40.35 | Chestal | only way to call them is from within the class, and the now empty implementation is confisuing |
| 14:41.15 | Chestal | I still vote for #define for if (false) ; else btw. :-) |
| 14:41.37 | Chestal | would rid us of the for-scoping problem for VC++ |
| 14:42.54 | MrApathyCream | heh |
| 14:45.01 | rooter | ibot ducatictf |
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| 14:52.45 | jamarier | Chestal: thanks B-(, it's incredible, the channel was dead and now the people came back B-) |
| 14:57.36 | MrApathyCream | off to work |
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| 15:38.14 | bzdoug_ | http://www.mugshots.org/misc/bill-gates.jpg |
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| 15:40.26 | sussudio | piggy |
| 16:02.36 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 16:02.44 | bzdoug_ | installing linux with dual cdroms help |
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| 16:09.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | hello |
| 16:09.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:10.57 | rooter | ~ducatictf |
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| 16:17.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | rooter !!!!!!!! |
| 16:17.19 | [TeA|TrEE] | AAAAAAAAAAH |
| 16:17.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | gone :-( |
| 16:22.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 16:23.15 | sussudio | :-P |
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| 16:47.02 | [TeA|TrEE] | la |
| 16:47.31 | sussudio | pigtree |
| 16:50.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 16:50.37 | [PiG|TrEE] | SuSS|TrEE |
| 16:51.05 | corndawg | hey all |
| 16:51.30 | sussudio | lo cornfed pig |
| 16:51.59 | Patlabor221 | it's not cornfed |
| 16:52.02 | Patlabor221 | it's just corned |
| 16:52.09 | sussudio | nuh |
| 16:52.11 | [PiG|TrEE] | löl |
| 16:52.11 | corndawg | lol |
| 16:52.19 | [PiG|TrEE] | äüö |
| 16:52.25 | [PiG|TrEE] | ölpß |
| 16:52.27 | sussudio | cornfed! |
| 16:52.28 | [PiG|TrEE] | äöüß |
| 16:53.04 | sussudio | http://us.imdb.com/Title?0108755 |
| 16:53.43 | Patlabor221 | yes I know who cornfed is |
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| 16:59.50 | Patlabor221 | is that a word? |
| 16:59.57 | sussudio | ~pig doug |
| 17:00.01 | | doug is 34% pig! |
| 17:00.17 | bzdoug_ | ~dict shuckels |
| 17:00.32 | bzdoug_ | hmm, it is now |
| 17:01.14 | Patlabor221 | not a acording to mariamum-webster |
| 17:02.27 | sussudio | ~pig [PiG|TrEE] |
| 17:02.32 | | [PiG|TrEE] is 84% pig! |
| 17:03.11 | Patlabor221 | ~pig Pig |
| 17:03.15 | | Pig is 23% pig! |
| 17:03.21 | bzdoug_ | ~pig Patlabor221 |
| 17:03.25 | | Patlabor221 is 18% pig! |
| 17:03.28 | sussudio | indeed it is |
| 17:03.32 | bzdoug_ | ~pig bzdoug |
| 17:03.36 | | bzdoug is 72% pig! |
| 17:03.36 | Patlabor221 | that's not too bad |
| 17:03.39 | Patlabor221 | oooooo |
| 17:03.41 | bzdoug_ | ~pig sussudio |
| 17:03.46 | | sussudio is 95% pig! |
| 17:03.46 | Patlabor221 | that's a lot of hog fat |
| 17:03.49 | sussudio | squeeeeeeeel! |
| 17:03.49 | bzdoug_ | ooooohhhh |
| 17:04.20 | Patlabor221 | ~pig captain_proton |
| 17:04.25 | | captain_proton is 49% pig! |
| 17:04.29 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:04.34 | bzdoug_ | ~pig bzflag |
| 17:04.38 | | bzflag is 35% pig! |
| 17:04.49 | Patlabor221 | how does it calc it? |
| 17:04.55 | sussudio | it doesnt |
| 17:05.00 | Patlabor221 | rand? |
| 17:05.04 | sussudio | sorta |
| 17:05.10 | Patlabor221 | does it jsut know? |
| 17:05.17 | sussudio | it just picks 2 random numbers 1-9 |
| 17:05.19 | Patlabor221 | ~pig pig |
| 17:05.23 | | pig is 26% pig! |
| 17:05.49 | Patlabor221 | ~lameometer pig |
| 17:05.49 | | 'pig' is 0.000% lame, patlabor221 |
| 17:05.53 | Patlabor221 | wow |
| 17:06.03 | Patlabor221 | ~lameometer bzdoug |
| 17:06.03 | | 'bzdoug' is 0.000% lame, patlabor221 |
| 17:06.12 | Patlabor221 | ohh it must be busted |
| 17:06.33 | sussudio | ~lameometer bzdo0g |
| 17:06.33 | | 'bzdo0g' is 31.000% lame, sussudio |
| 17:06.48 | Patlabor221 | checks for numbers? |
| 17:07.03 | sussudio | ~lameometer p1mpd4ddy_d0ug |
| 17:07.03 | | 'p1mpd4ddy_d0ug' is 99.9122% lame, sussudio |
| 17:07.35 | Patlabor221 | ~lameometer 37_d\/\/06 |
| 17:07.35 | | '37_d\/\/06' is 99.9076% lame, patlabor221 |
| 17:07.43 | Patlabor221 | yeah that is prety lame |
| 17:22.37 | Patlabor221 | anyone know who Daniel McKinnon is ? |
| 17:23.10 | corndawg | not i |
| 17:23.23 | sussudio | ~pig daniel mckinnon |
| 17:23.27 | | daniel mckinnon is 30% pig! |
| 17:32.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 17:55.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 18:08.58 | bzgirl | hello |
| 18:09.54 | Jormungandr | hi bzg |
| 18:09.57 | Jormungandr | howareya? |
| 18:10.07 | Patlabor221 | hello |
| 18:10.31 | bzgirl | im fine thnx :) |
| 18:10.40 | Jormungandr | that's good. :) |
| 18:10.47 | Jormungandr | I should make coffee. |
| 18:10.58 | Jormungandr | gardeners woke me up. |
| 18:11.51 | Jormungandr | gardeners come every other tuesday, and the first thing they use is a gas powered weed wacker. |
| 18:11.53 | Jormungandr | very loud |
| 18:12.03 | Jormungandr | but they do a great job :) |
| 18:12.08 | Jormungandr | and they're cheap. |
| 18:12.23 | bzgirl | at least you have a garden |
| 18:12.29 | Jormungandr | well, we have a lawn. |
| 18:12.49 | Jormungandr | having lived in the UK for a while, I still tend to call the lawn a garden. |
| 18:13.02 | Jormungandr | but we do plant a lot of stuff ourselves in it. |
| 18:13.11 | Jormungandr | right now I am waiting for fennel to mature. |
| 18:13.12 | Patlabor221 | at least you have a lawn :/ |
| 18:13.13 | corndawg | hi bzgirl |
| 18:13.18 | Jormungandr | pat :( |
| 18:13.22 | bzgirl | hi corndawg |
| 18:13.34 | Jormungandr | hi corndawg... your map is getting quite a workout in the evenings. |
| 18:13.47 | corndawg | hey Jormungandr.. lol yer kidding? |
| 18:13.58 | corndawg | lotta good compliments on it i take it? |
| 18:14.19 | bzgirl | what server is it on corndawg? |
| 18:14.30 | corndawg | dragon.org |
| 18:14.41 | Jormungandr | it's a great map. |
| 18:15.05 | corndawg | i popped in a few times last night but no one was there |
| 18:15.16 | corndawg | ill give er a go tonight for sure tho |
| 18:15.20 | Jormungandr | someone needs to code a surface that OO can't go through, so you can put it under the second floor. |
| 18:15.48 | corndawg | yep.. thatd be nice |
| 18:16.10 | Jormungandr | it's nice cuz camping is not easy. |
| 18:16.20 | Patlabor221 | that would fit into my idea of allowing the map to override any of the properties of an object, like drive tru/shoot thru/ oo tru ect.. |
| 18:16.34 | corndawg | lol not easy at all |
| 18:18.33 | Jormungandr | world is more popular at night it seems. |
| 18:18.54 | Jormungandr | also.. it'd be nice to be able to establish "flag zones" so that we can get some on the roof |
| 18:19.01 | Jormungandr | I turned on -fb |
| 18:19.12 | corndawg | ah |
| 18:19.14 | Jormungandr | but it won't drop them that high. |
| 18:19.27 | corndawg | yea.. flags on the roof would make it more fun to |
| 18:19.36 | Jormungandr | but you get them on the catwalks, though. |
| 18:19.40 | Jormungandr | so that's fun |
| 18:19.45 | bzgirl | im glad its 2 shots :) |
| 18:19.46 | corndawg | yep |
| 18:19.55 | corndawg | lol bzgirl |
| 18:20.21 | bzgirl | its hard on my vidio card though |
| 18:20.35 | corndawg | what kinda video card ya got? |
| 18:20.37 | bzgirl | well, not that hard on it, i get 125fps |
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| 18:20.47 | bzgirl | but i usualy get 160 |
| 18:20.57 | bzgirl | its a geforce2 32mg |
| 18:21.02 | corndawg | ah |
| 18:23.36 | corndawg | lol i had thoughts of doin a whacky world.... |
| 18:23.44 | Jormungandr | do tel |
| 18:23.46 | Jormungandr | l |
| 18:23.55 | corndawg | maybe a mcdonalds world... |
| 18:24.03 | Jormungandr | hrm. |
| 18:24.14 | corndawg | itd be funny fighting on the counters etc... |
| 18:24.22 | Jormungandr | heh |
| 18:24.41 | Jormungandr | camping on the cash register or getting trapped in the fry bin. |
| 18:24.48 | corndawg | hah yep |
| 18:27.20 | Patlabor221 | well I'd like to see the abitlty to add specific spawn points |
| 18:27.32 | Patlabor221 | and an optionl radndom variation around them |
| 18:27.35 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:27.39 | corndawg | i found only 1 spot to camp on that map.. |
| 18:27.45 | Patlabor221 | but yes another flag could be "FlagSpawnOK" |
| 18:27.54 | Jormungandr | where's that? |
| 18:28.16 | corndawg | its off to the side.. near the step things |
| 18:28.20 | Jormungandr | maybe do flagspawn by surface. |
| 18:28.54 | corndawg | but you still have to gaurd the platform nearest to you while on it |
| 18:29.00 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:29.51 | Jormungandr | the walls make GM not as powerful, which is nice. |
| 18:30.10 | corndawg | hah get too high up in the first floor.. get SW and head to the second floor and bam.. yer hit |
| 18:30.20 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:30.33 | Jormungandr | someone camped at a hole and shot me with gm |
| 18:30.37 | corndawg | i never thought of that either when we where playing dave |
| 18:30.44 | corndawg | lol Jormungandr |
| 18:30.47 | Jormungandr | nod |
| 18:31.04 | Jormungandr | there are some things I wanna explore... |
| 18:31.30 | corndawg | ah |
| 18:31.36 | Jormungandr | that place where dave was has a structure right above it and I am not sure that SW would have actually gotten him. |
| 18:31.44 | Jormungandr | but he thought it would, so ran. |
| 18:31.55 | corndawg | ah |
| 18:34.04 | jzaun | Patlabor221: I like it :-) |
| 18:34.24 | Patlabor221 | that's an older one |
| 18:34.29 | Patlabor221 | I have some that are newer |
| 18:34.40 | jzaun | when they gonna work in BZF? |
| 18:34.54 | Patlabor221 | when the work in the test app |
| 18:35.11 | Patlabor221 | and when bz gets rid of it's outdated GLState tracking stuff |
| 18:38.19 | jzaun | your test app must be rather nice |
| 18:38.27 | Patlabor221 | it's ok |
| 18:39.17 | Patlabor221 | let me take a screeny for you |
| 18:40.41 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/screamers/sample.png |
| 18:41.16 | corndawg | wow! |
| 18:41.22 | corndawg | that looks decent |
| 18:41.37 | Patlabor221 | it's still rather early for looks |
| 18:41.43 | Patlabor221 | need to fix up the lighting |
| 18:42.46 | Patlabor221 | here is the map for that screnny |
| 18:42.58 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/screamers/default.map |
| 18:43.35 | jzaun | That looks gread |
| 18:43.35 | jzaun | great* |
| 18:44.05 | Patlabor221 | for now it's just a simple extrapolation of what COULD be done with BZ type stuff |
| 18:44.41 | Patlabor221 | I do need to make sure the thing still builds on linux :) |
| 18:44.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 18:45.05 | Patlabor221 | here's a sot of a simple menu |
| 18:45.05 | Patlabor221 | http://www.bakadigital.com/screamers/Main.png |
| 18:46.07 | corndawg | intresting |
| 18:47.26 | corndawg | ohh new flag idear |
| 18:47.40 | jzaun | quite interesting |
| 18:48.50 | corndawg | grapling hook... for them high up hard to reach places |
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| 18:54.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
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| 18:57.25 | Fanta | hello |
| 18:57.39 | Chestal | hi Fanta |
| 18:57.46 | Fanta | hallo chestal |
| 18:58.05 | Fanta | was war mit duc ? |
| 18:58.23 | Chestal | Fanta: war wohl noch ein SPieler aufm Server, der blockiert den dann |
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| 18:58.44 | Fanta | hab ich mir gedacht. schade |
| 18:59.34 | BeZee | winke winke |
| 18:59.35 | Fanta | proton here ? |
| 19:03.35 | Fanta | later |
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| 19:51.17 | calico | hi |
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| 20:25.59 | victorvdl | Is there a way to get BZ to use more than three mouse buttons? |
| 20:26.48 | Chestal | not sure, which operating system? |
| 20:27.07 | victorvdl | Linux. |
| 20:27.45 | Chestal | maybe you can make it work with imwheel |
| 20:30.04 | victorvdl | K, I'll try that. |
| 20:31.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:32.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal? |
| 20:33.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | someone there? |
| 20:34.19 | Chestal | yes`? |
| 20:34.36 | [TeA|TrEE] | aah |
| 20:34.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | wie kann man in windows , seine information über seinen bildschirm sehen |
| 20:34.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | was es für ein bildschirm ist |
| 20:35.23 | Chestal | wenn überhaupt, dann das das nur unter bestimmten Bedingungen |
| 20:35.33 | Chestal | und dann halt da irgendwo, ist ja nich tso schwer zu finden |
| 20:35.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ? |
| 20:35.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | ok ich such dann mal rum |
| 20:41.14 | calico | yeah we just got our butts kicked by vbz 8-1 |
| 20:46.43 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal? |
| 20:46.46 | Chestal | calico: official match? |
| 20:46.50 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:47.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | wie heist das prgramm wo man öffnen kann |
| 20:47.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | Xcompetitor |
| 20:47.21 | [TeA|TrEE] | Xconfigure |
| 20:47.22 | [TeA|TrEE] | argls |
| 20:47.24 | [TeA|TrEE] | ka wie |
| 20:47.53 | Chestal | ich auch net, hab sowas nie verwendet |
| 20:48.34 | Chestal | es gibt xf86cfg und xf86config bei mir, k.A. |
| 20:48.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | Xconfigurator |
| 20:48.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | danke |
| 20:49.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | Ches ;) |
| 20:49.57 | [TeA|TrEE] | *heul* |
| 20:50.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | muss man bildschirm namen wissen |
| 20:50.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | sonst kann i ned in linux |
| 20:50.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | *grml* |
| 20:50.36 | Chestal | du kannst doch die Frequenzen bestitm manuell einstellen, sonst wähl erst mal einen, der wenig kann |
| 20:50.53 | Chestal | evtl. fragt der auch nur nach nem Namen, den du selbst wählen kannst, was weiß ich |
| 20:51.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-( |
| 20:51.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | da gibs so viele |
| 20:51.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | Gateway2000 |
| 20:51.46 | [TeA|TrEE] | grml |
| 20:51.59 | [TeA|TrEE] | und wie finde ich die frequenzen ... raus? |
| 20:52.08 | Chestal | im Handbuch z.B. |
| 20:52.13 | [TeA|TrEE] | òh gott |
| 20:52.17 | Chestal | wenn du niedrigere einstellst, ist auch gut |
| 20:53.27 | [TeA|TrEE] | warte mal |
| 20:55.06 | [TeA|TrEE] | woher soll ich wissen welches clockship ich habe |
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| 20:58.32 | scanline | hi gonkulator |
| 20:59.10 | gonkulator | bzdoug_: poke scanline |
| 20:59.42 | Patlabor221 | bzdoug_ is not a valid class. |
| 21:00.30 | scanline | morning captain_proton |
| 21:00.34 | Patlabor221 | at 2? |
| 21:00.49 | Patlabor221 | lazy bastage |
| 21:01.42 | [TeA|TrEE] | Chestal :-( |
| 21:01.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | somewone knows how to see his monitor on windows? |
| 21:02.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | what monitor it is |
| 21:02.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | nothing else i want |
| 21:02.14 | [TeA|TrEE] | :-( |
| 21:03.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | Hello? |
| 21:03.22 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:03.24 | Patlabor221 | helo |
| 21:03.33 | [TeA|TrEE] | Pat du u know? |
| 21:03.38 | captain_proton | mornin! |
| 21:03.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | captain u know? |
| 21:03.55 | Patlabor221 | you want to know how to see what monitor you have? |
| 21:03.55 | scanline | captain_proton: gonkulator is in here spying on us |
| 21:03.55 | captain_proton | huh? |
| 21:04.01 | [TeA|TrEE] | pat: yes |
| 21:04.18 | Patlabor221 | in windows its on the montiro tab of the display setings |
| 21:04.20 | captain_proton | scanline: hm, we'll have to act normal then |
| 21:04.32 | scanline | [TeA|TrEE]: it's usually written on the front of the monitor |
| 21:04.41 | gonkulator | captain_proton: I am not spying |
| 21:04.49 | Patlabor221 | right click on the desktop and hit properties |
| 21:04.55 | [TeA|TrEE] | scanline: gateway2000 it says |
| 21:04.57 | gonkulator | I am, however, going to get up and poke scanline until he pukes |
| 21:05.04 | [TeA|TrEE] | there about 30n versions of them |
| 21:05.09 | Patlabor221 | what does it say on the fornt of the montior? EV700? |
| 21:05.17 | [TeA|TrEE] | notthing |
| 21:05.23 | [TeA|TrEE] | only Gateway200 |
| 21:05.24 | Patlabor221 | how big is it? |
| 21:05.25 | [TeA|TrEE] | 0 |
| 21:05.27 | [TeA|TrEE] | 15 |
| 21:05.36 | Patlabor221 | is it curved or flat? |
| 21:05.37 | [TeA|TrEE] | 15" |
| 21:05.42 | [TeA|TrEE] | normal |
| 21:05.47 | Patlabor221 | so curved |
| 21:05.49 | [TeA|TrEE] | no flat |
| 21:05.51 | [TeA|TrEE] | yes |
| 21:05.52 | [TeA|TrEE] | .. |
| 21:05.54 | Patlabor221 | ok |
| 21:06.03 | Patlabor221 | well right click on the desktop and go to properties |
| 21:06.09 | Patlabor221 | then hit the settings tab |
| 21:06.16 | scanline | gonkulator: that was evil |
| 21:06.23 | Patlabor221 | then hit advanced |
| 21:06.29 | gonkulator | captain_proton: you should have seen it |
| 21:06.31 | Patlabor221 | then hit the monitor tab |
| 21:06.36 | gonkulator | captain_proton: scanline is a sitting duck |
| 21:06.41 | Patlabor221 | that will tell you what windos thingks the monitor is |
| 21:07.08 | [TeA|TrEE] | Plug and Play Monitor |
| 21:07.11 | gonkulator | s/y i/y is/ |
| 21:07.12 | [TeA|TrEE] | super |
| 21:07.14 | Patlabor221 | ick |
| 21:07.17 | scanline | gonkulator: sure you do |
| 21:07.23 | Patlabor221 | what do you need to know about the monitor tea? |
| 21:07.39 | [TeA|TrEE] | just what it is |
| 21:07.56 | [TeA|TrEE] | there are sevrak versions like Gateway V7834 |
| 21:07.58 | [TeA|TrEE] | what ever |
| 21:08.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | i only know Gateway2000 |
| 21:08.21 | captain_proton | [TeA|TrEE]: looked at the back of the monitor? |
| 21:08.23 | Patlabor221 | realy all the 15' run about the same res and refresh so you can pick on that is close. |
| 21:08.24 | scanline | [TeA|TrEE]: so look on the back of the monitor |
| 21:08.45 | Patlabor221 | if it dosn't say the model number get the serial number |
| 21:21.09 | scanline | captain_proton and gonkulator know what it is :) |
| 21:22.39 | gonkulator | ibot: seen bzdoug? |
| 21:22.50 | | bzdoug <SteveJobs@216.135.68.133> was last seen on IRC in channel #bzflag, 16h 42m 34s ago, saying: 'http://www.bestbuy.com/detail.asp?e=11001011&m=58&cat=677&scat=681'. |
| 21:28.56 | gonkulator | captain_proton: who is this bzdoug guy? |
| 21:29.44 | scanline | haha |
| 21:29.52 | scanline | I told gonkulator that bzdoug == file, and now he's curious |
| 21:29.53 | captain_proton | gonkulator: he's like file but moreso |
| 21:30.20 | scanline | yes you should |
| 21:30.31 | scanline | it's a different kind of insanity than #picogui |
| 21:32.21 | Chestal | ah, hi proton |
| 21:32.31 | captain_proton | mornin' Chestal |
| 21:32.58 | Chestal | proton: I'm trying to think of a good syntax to choose between timed games which start automatically (default now) and timed games that have to be started with /countdown command |
| 21:33.07 | Chestal | or some other solution |
| 21:33.22 | Chestal | I guess /countdown should work without having to be admin, too |
| 21:35.19 | Chestal | current server is not usable for timed matches |
| 21:35.51 | Jormungandr | apple commercials are really funny. |
| 21:36.14 | scanline | captain_proton: ha, another neat thing about ccache- you change something, compile, then change it back, and it can use the cached copy |
| 21:38.38 | gonkulator | Jormungandr: indeed >:) |
| 21:38.50 | Jormungandr | you see new one? |
| 21:38.53 | Jormungandr | big and small? |
| 21:39.03 | Jormungandr | http://www.apple.com/hardware/video/powerbookg4bigandsmall.html |
| 21:39.37 | scanline | what's with all these companies making commercials that look like a little puzzle piece |
| 21:39.41 | scanline | :P |
| 21:40.45 | gonkulator | Jormungandr: Steve showed them at his keynote |
| 21:40.52 | gonkulator | Jormungandr: I laughed my ass off |
| 21:40.53 | Jormungandr | :) |
| 21:41.12 | gonkulator | scanline: I dunno about you, but I am in the mood for some life house |
| 21:41.14 | Jormungandr | I just saw it... too funny. |
| 21:41.25 | gonkulator | oh |
| 21:43.41 | *** part/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 21:43.47 | *** join/#bzflag gonkulator (~brandon@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 21:43.49 | gonkulator | oops |
| 21:44.39 | gonkulator | ttyl everyone |
| 21:44.43 | scanline | bye gonkulator |
| 21:48.30 | Chestal | uh, found an evil bug in bzfs, migh teven be mine |
| 21:48.43 | Chestal | but this DirectMessage thing is also evil |
| 21:48.58 | Chestal | who introduced this directmessagebuffer? MAC? |
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| 21:54.02 | captain_proton | Chestal: probably |
| 21:54.08 | captain_proton | Chestal: he's been up to no end of evil recently |
| 21:54.27 | Chestal | talking to him righ tnow :-) |
| 21:54.38 | Chestal | proton: any suggestions on my questions regaridng /countfown above? |
| 21:55.36 | captain_proton | Chestal: not really ... -long flags are probably easier to remember |
| 21:57.01 | Chestal | but we are not using them yet |
| 22:05.31 | Hamster_AFK | well that concludes a pathetic performance on one.bzflag tonight |
| 22:05.36 | Hamster_AFK | bite all |
| 22:05.48 | Chestal | hi Hamster |
| 22:06.47 | Chestal | hmm, I don't liek all the signed/unsigned warnings |
| 22:06.49 | Hamster_AFK | sorry meant nite all |
| 22:07.10 | Chestal | good nicht, Hamster |
| 22:07.12 | Chestal | eh, night |
| 22:07.41 | Hamster_AFK | guten nacht |
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| 22:09.37 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a213-22-85-114.netcabo.pt) |
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| 22:18.53 | Chestal | hmm, that mesageHisotry code looks a bit strange to me |
| 22:27.36 | scanline | gonkulator: poing |
| 22:40.38 | Patlabor221 | chestal is paul and otto your bot code? |
| 22:44.02 | Chestal | yes |
| 22:44.24 | Patlabor221 | if you can't find it, I have a zip of e2 source with it merged in |
| 22:44.55 | Chestal | ok, but it's still a mess, peoel should not use it :-) |
| 22:45.05 | Patlabor221 | that it is |
| 22:45.39 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artemisgames.com/bzbot-e2.zip if I recall corectly |
| 22:48.58 | calico | hi |
| 22:52.38 | calico | chestal here |
| 22:52.43 | Chestal | calico: yes |
| 22:53.06 | calico | i notice at the team rankings that there are alot of teams ahead of us |
| 22:53.14 | calico | becuase of only 1 or 2 matches |
| 22:53.23 | Chestal | yes, inactive teams |
| 22:53.28 | calico | is there a way to base the standings on so many matches played |
| 22:53.42 | calico | say like atlest 7 matches played |
| 22:53.46 | calico | or something like that |
| 22:53.55 | Chestal | we have to think of something clever to penalize inactive teams# |
| 22:54.14 | [dmp] | that would be a great help to HoW :-) |
| 22:54.23 | calico | there are really only 5 active teams it seems |
| 22:54.26 | Chestal | but I am not quite sure what to do |
| 22:54.46 | Chestal | Valoche planned to do a cleanup anyway |
| 22:54.52 | Chestal | still waitign for his code rewrite |
| 22:55.09 | calico | maybe set something up like if they dont play atleast 1 0or 2 matches a month they |
| 22:55.14 | calico | go inactive |
| 22:56.04 | calico | me and dmp are ready to take someone on, any takers ;) |
| 22:57.14 | calico | i see tlz has the new high score for a match |
| 22:57.17 | calico | 15-0 |
| 22:57.27 | corndawg | brb updating xchat |
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| 23:00.45 | [dmp] | :) |
| 23:01.00 | [dmp] | (perhaps people should try to make smaller teams) |
| 23:02.05 | Chestal | well, good night |
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| 23:02.56 | calico | bye chestal |
| 23:02.57 | corndawg | re re re |
| 23:03.39 | MrApathyCream | nite |
| 23:03.57 | calico | dmp you here |
| 23:06.15 | calico | dmp come to 59999 |
| 23:22.44 | calico | dmp |
| 23:26.35 | jzaun | is anyone having trouble with the current CVS? |
| 23:31.22 | MrApathyCream | no |
| 23:31.31 | MrApathyCream | what you have? |
| 23:33.01 | jzaun | well I thought it might be my code so i just did a fresh cvs co |
| 23:33.04 | jzaun | and now I get: |
| 23:33.11 | jzaun | Flag.cxx:123: no matching function for call to `Flag::FlagTable::FlagTable( |
| 23:33.12 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.12 | jzaun | Flag.h:70: candidates are: Flag::FlagTable::FlagTable(Flag::FlagTable&) |
| 23:33.12 | jzaun | Flag.h:65: Flag::FlagTable::FlagTable(char* = 0, char* = 0, |
| 23:33.12 | jzaun | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:33.22 | MrApathyCream | you checked out the 1.8 code base |
| 23:33.25 | MrApathyCream | need to do |
| 23:33.30 | MrApathyCream | cvs co -r v1_7 bzflag |
| 23:33.57 | jzaun | heh :-) |
| 23:34.24 | jzaun | I did a -Tv1_7 (worked) but not like I thought it would |
| 23:34.24 | jzaun | getting the 1.7 code, thanks |
| 23:43.04 | Jormungandr | how much does the server code access the opengl libraries? |
| 23:43.46 | Jormungandr | se noai |
| 23:43.46 | Jormungandr | aJse ai |
| 23:43.51 | Jormungandr | oops |
| 23:43.55 | Jormungandr | that was exciting |
| 23:51.01 | MrApathyCream | Jormungandr: none |
| 23:54.26 | Jormungandr | holy spamchili! they found ricin in london. |
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| 23:59.44 | bzdoug_ | ah |
