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| 00:01.35 | tea|tree | night all |
| 00:02.06 | ninjer-proton | heeey look |
| 00:02.09 | ninjer-proton | spiff wants to be friends |
| 00:02.34 | strayer | night tea|tree |
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| 00:21.05 | strayer | night all... |
| 00:21.20 | *** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@pD952945C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 00:43.51 | MrApathyCream | BZFlag: any chance i could check this in, i don't want to lose it (or have a bad merge problem as things pour in) |
| 00:43.59 | MrApathyCream | It isn't complete, but is sizable |
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| 00:44.52 | MrApathyCream | arg wifeepoo wants fone bbiab |
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| 00:58.26 | corndawg | hey all |
| 01:01.49 | corndawg | hum.. thats odd |
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| 01:05.20 | Patlabor221 | wow and I thought a windows install took forever |
| 01:05.30 | Patlabor221 | 51 more min on this OSX install |
| 01:05.31 | corndawg | eh? |
| 01:05.36 | corndawg | ah |
| 01:06.09 | Patlabor221 | and it keeps geting larger *sniker* |
| 01:11.32 | corndawg | anyone intrested in tryin out a new world i been toying with? |
| 01:17.57 | MrApathyCream | -- |
| 01:18.02 | MrApathyCream | #include "stdio.h" |
| 01:18.02 | MrApathyCream | main(int t,int _,char *a) |
| 01:18.02 | MrApathyCream | {return!0<t?t<3?main(-79,-13,a+main(-87,1-_, |
| 01:18.02 | MrApathyCream | main(-86, 0, a+1 )+a)):1,t<_?main(t+1, _, a ):3,main ( -94, -27+t, a |
| 01:18.03 | MrApathyCream | )&&t == 2 ?_<13 ?main ( 2, _+1, "%s %d %d\n" ):9:16:t<0?t<-72?main(_, |
| 01:18.05 | MrApathyCream | t,"@n'+,#'/*{}w+/w#cdnr/+,{}r/*de}+,/*{*+,/w{%+,/w#q#n+,/#{l,+,/n{n+\ |
| 01:18.07 | MrApathyCream | ,/+#n+,/#;#q#n+,/+k#;*+,/'r :'d*'3,}{w+K w'K:'+}e#';dq#'l q#'+d'K#!/\ |
| 01:18.09 | MrApathyCream | +k#;q#'r}eKK#}w'r}eKK{nl]'/#;#q#n'){)#}w'){){nl]'/+#n';d}rw' i;# ){n\ |
| 01:18.11 | MrApathyCream | l]!/n{n#'; r{#w'r nc{nl]'/#{l,+'K {rw' iK{;[{nl]'/w#q#\ |
| 01:18.13 | MrApathyCream | n'wk nw' iwk{KK{nl]!/w{%'l##w#' i; :{nl]'/*{q#'ld;r'}{nlwb!/*de}'c \ |
| 01:18.15 | MrApathyCream | ;;{nl'-{}rw]'/+,}##'*}#nc,',#nw]'/+kd'+e}+;\ |
| 01:18.17 | MrApathyCream | #'rdq#w! nr'/ ') }+}{rl#'{n' ')# }'+}##(!!/") |
| 01:18.19 | MrApathyCream | :t<-50?_==*a ?putchar(a[31]):main(-65,_,a+1):main((*a == '/')+t,_,a\ |
| 01:18.21 | MrApathyCream | +1 ):0<t?main ( 2, 2 , "%s"):*a=='/'||main(0,main(-61,*a, "!ek;dc \ |
| 01:18.23 | MrApathyCream | i@bK'(q)-[w]*%n+r3#l,{}:\nuwloca-O;m .vpbks,fxntdCeghiry"),a+1);} |
| 01:18.25 | MrApathyCream | -- |
| 01:25.17 | MrApathyCream | bbl |
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| 02:23.42 | corndawg | good game MrApathyCream and thanks again |
| 02:28.30 | MrApathyCream | k |
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| 02:52.35 | Noodleman | anyone alive in here? |
| 02:52.37 | Noodleman | nope |
| 02:52.45 | Noodleman | there never is at this time :-) |
| 03:02.59 | corndawg | hey Noodleman |
| 03:03.10 | Noodleman | hey whats up? |
| 03:03.15 | corndawg | notta |
| 03:03.25 | corndawg | fixin muh first bz map lol |
| 03:03.45 | Noodleman | cool, too bad you didn't do it before the map contest was over |
| 03:05.29 | corndawg | lol |
| 03:05.34 | corndawg | didnt know one was goin on |
| 03:05.51 | Noodleman | http://www.shellshock.dutchrai.com/ |
| 03:06.00 | Noodleman | dutchrai was running it |
| 03:06.25 | corndawg | k |
| 03:07.12 | corndawg | hum... doesnt like nutscraper too well |
| 03:07.26 | Noodleman | g2g, l8r |
| 03:07.47 | corndawg | cya Noodleman |
| 03:09.29 | corndawg | intresting |
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| 03:28.29 | puetzk | is this a developer or user channel? |
| 03:28.48 | patlabor221 | little of both |
| 03:30.05 | puetzk | does anyone know what order getJoyButtons is expected to return it's bitmap in? I assumebutton one is the MSB? |
| 03:30.16 | patlabor221 | there is suposedly some other joysick stuff in cvs, just not being built |
| 03:30.45 | puetzk | there's an XInput one and an bsd raw usb one (where bzflag provides the usb driver portion) that I could see in 1.7g0 |
| 03:31.01 | patlabor221 | 1.7 cvs not 1.8 |
| 03:33.20 | puetzk | then again, the libjsw one is like 30 lines, so I'll probably still do it to tide me other :-) |
| 03:33.36 | puetzk | hmm |
| 03:33.52 | patlabor221 | you realy think thos exist? |
| 03:34.01 | puetzk | patlabor221: well, I've been playing for 3 days :-) |
| 03:34.14 | patlabor221 | they don't |
| 03:34.16 | puetzk | they don't? |
| 03:34.18 | puetzk | handy, that :-) |
| 03:34.40 | patlabor221 | there is little in the way of anti-cheat stuff right now |
| 03:34.44 | patlabor221 | hence all the cheaters |
| 03:34.45 | puetzk | I figured there was at least something trivial :-) |
| 03:34.55 | patlabor221 | nope |
| 03:35.07 | patlabor221 | checksums are more trouble then they are worth |
| 03:35.13 | puetzk | yes |
| 03:35.16 | puetzk | yet popular somehow |
| 03:35.27 | patlabor221 | on closed source things yes |
| 03:39.52 | corndawg | man... links are a pain in the ass.... should just del the teleporters |
| 03:40.17 | patlabor221 | it's easer in the new bzedit on window |
| 03:40.19 | patlabor221 | s |
| 03:40.23 | patlabor221 | no more link ids |
| 03:40.45 | corndawg | i have the new bzedit for windows |
| 03:40.53 | patlabor221 | what version |
| 03:40.57 | corndawg | never did get the linux version workin in |
| 03:41.00 | corndawg | -in |
| 03:41.09 | corndawg | lemme go check real quick |
| 03:41.46 | corndawg | 5.96 |
| 03:42.13 | patlabor221 | you sure? |
| 03:42.17 | corndawg | i get the one side workin.. but not the other lol |
| 03:42.28 | corndawg | yea.. thats what it said :) |
| 03:42.30 | patlabor221 | not 1.5.9f6? |
| 03:42.36 | patlabor221 | where? |
| 03:42.46 | corndawg | start menu |
| 03:43.01 | patlabor221 | what does it say in the about box on the app? |
| 03:43.07 | patlabor221 | in the help menu? |
| 03:43.14 | patlabor221 | cus I never made a 5.0 version |
| 03:44.13 | jzaun | Hello all |
| 03:44.17 | corndawg | yer right.. |
| 03:44.27 | corndawg | i have that version and the one before it |
| 03:44.30 | patlabor221 | then links should be easy |
| 03:44.40 | patlabor221 | just tell it what TP and side to go to |
| 03:44.55 | patlabor221 | the sides should even be labeled in the 3d view |
| 03:45.05 | patlabor221 | it used to be a LOT harder |
| 03:45.09 | corndawg | ah |
| 03:45.20 | corndawg | so i heard.... MrApathyCream was tellin me bout it |
| 03:45.44 | patlabor221 | link IDs were evil |
| 03:45.56 | corndawg | heh |
| 03:46.00 | patlabor221 | it's easyest if you name your Teleporters names you will remmeber |
| 03:46.09 | corndawg | ah |
| 03:46.54 | patlabor221 | each telepoter will have a "F" and a "B" side |
| 03:47.08 | patlabor221 | that corosponds to the sides in the link |
| 03:47.10 | corndawg | yea.. that i seen :) |
| 03:47.13 | patlabor221 | Front and back |
| 03:47.51 | corndawg | i need on link going in to the tele.. and one link going out right? |
| 03:48.00 | patlabor221 | yes |
| 03:48.03 | patlabor221 | a link is one way |
| 03:48.06 | corndawg | i tot so |
| 03:48.13 | patlabor221 | since you may not want your links to go back the same way |
| 03:48.26 | patlabor221 | so 2 linked TPs would have a total of 4 links |
| 03:48.41 | patlabor221 | since there are 4 difrent tp/side combos |
| 03:48.54 | corndawg | so 2 links for front and backs |
| 03:49.06 | patlabor221 | on each TP |
| 03:49.10 | corndawg | maybe thats whereim messin up at |
| 03:49.37 | patlabor221 | basicly allways thing of where you enter and where you exit |
| 03:49.45 | patlabor221 | you need a link for each trip |
| 03:49.56 | corndawg | yep |
| 03:50.26 | corndawg | lemme give it another whirl.. |
| 03:50.30 | corndawg | thanks patlabor221 |
| 03:50.35 | patlabor221 | sure |
| 03:50.54 | patlabor221 | I realy should give MAC his "rotate around a point" feature in that thing one of these days |
| 03:53.31 | MrApathyCream | hehe |
| 04:04.51 | ninjer-proton | heeeey |
| 04:04.59 | ninjer-proton | we're finally throwing out all our solbournes |
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| 04:14.02 | ppl | hi |
| 04:15.40 | puetzk | ah, XWindow.cxx has a comment :-) |
| 04:15.41 | puetzk | yay |
| 04:15.54 | puetzk | normalize to -1000...1000 |
| 04:16.08 | ppl | something stupid just happened to me |
| 04:16.37 | ppl | KDE grabber changed focus and I couldn't exit bzflag |
| 04:19.51 | ppl | puetzk: first time you play or building new version/cvs? |
| 04:20.02 | puetzk | ppl: just wrote a libjsw joystick driver |
| 04:20.07 | jzaun | puetzk: what ya messin with? :-) |
| 04:20.12 | jzaun | cool |
| 04:20.36 | ppl | cool. I have a joystick... but since I dropped orange juice on it I don't use it much |
| 04:22.51 | ppl | bzflag use libjsw? |
| 04:23.00 | puetzk | ppl: it's about to |
| 04:23.10 | ppl | ah, i see ;-) |
| 04:23.15 | jzaun | ~seen BZFlag |
| 04:23.16 | | bzflag is currently on #uclibc (8h 30m 44s) #tuxscreen (8h 30m 44s) #zaurus (8h 30m 44s) #elinux (8h 30m 44s) #handhelds.org (8h 30m 44s) #utah (8h 30m 44s) #bzflag (8h 30m 44s) #openzaurus (8h 30m 44s). Has said a total of 49 messages. Is idling for 3h 51m 28s |
| 04:25.11 | puetzk | hmm |
| 04:25.13 | puetzk | nuthin :-) |
| 04:25.25 | jzaun | the fun of adding new features |
| 04:25.47 | jzaun | puetzk: try to run it from the bzflag directory |
| 04:25.50 | jzaun | bin/bzflag |
| 04:26.01 | jzaun | that way you know you got your latest code |
| 04:26.07 | puetzk | jzaun: nah, I'm just gonna add a printf to it with the joystick parameters |
| 04:26.11 | puetzk | which is a good thing regardless |
| 04:26.38 | jzaun | puetzk: ok, but I don't think bzflag has a "make install" |
| 04:26.54 | jzaun | if it does I've never gotten it to work ;-) |
| 04:26.58 | ppl | what's it's late, randomly running the wrong executable can be silly :) |
| 04:27.00 | corndawg | it doesnt that i know of |
| 04:27.05 | puetzk | jzaun: I'm using hte debian build scripts to make packages |
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| 04:27.36 | jzaun | hello M_A_C |
| 04:27.50 | M_A_C | "Tim Riker, being more mercurial in nature, will arrive in his own good time" |
| 04:27.51 | jzaun | haveing an issue with your ghost? |
| 04:28.04 | M_A_C | n/msg nickserv ghost MrApathyCream tmontmon |
| 04:28.10 | M_A_C | oops |
| 04:28.12 | patlabor221 | printf's damn we need to teach you people how to use debugers |
| 04:28.15 | jzaun | :-P |
| 04:28.28 | jzaun | might want to change that now M_A_C |
| 04:28.33 | M_A_C | yup |
| 04:28.43 | ppl | on bzflag website, http://www.bzflag.org/download/ BZFlag supports the following operating systems: |
| 04:28.56 | ppl | FreeBSD isn't listed and it's in the port collection. |
| 04:29.00 | corndawg | hey patlabor221 should there be a green flag on each side of the teleporter? still cant figure out what im doin wrong |
| 04:29.04 | puetzk | err |
| 04:29.07 | jzaun | patlabor221: eh, I still use printfs... it much quicker... I take em out right away though |
| 04:29.10 | puetzk | Got Joystick /dev/input/js0, 14 axes, 6 buttons |
| 04:29.11 | puetzk | indeed |
| 04:29.26 | patlabor221 | bah printfs F9 is the shiznit |
| 04:29.34 | puetzk | F9? |
| 04:29.46 | patlabor221 | corn: depends on how you did your links, and how you want them to work |
| 04:29.58 | patlabor221 | F9 = set breakpoint |
| 04:30.18 | jzaun | gdb = PITA |
| 04:30.24 | corndawg | hum... on wantin each side to take ya somewheres else |
| 04:30.29 | corndawg | on = im |
| 04:30.32 | puetzk | oh |
| 04:30.35 | patlabor221 | who said anything about gnome? :) |
| 04:30.40 | puetzk | well, in this case I needed to add the printf anyway :_) |
| 04:31.05 | patlabor221 | corn: there should be a green link flag from each side that you want to have an entry port |
| 04:31.25 | corndawg | k |
| 04:31.33 | jzaun | puetzk: don't use printf... noone will see it, use the messagebox in the control panel |
| 04:32.01 | puetzk | jzaun: how do I do that? |
| 04:32.13 | jzaun | looking it up |
| 04:33.35 | jzaun | addMessage(NULL, "Some message"); |
| 04:34.06 | puetzk | jzaun: does that take vaargs or do I need to sprintf first? |
| 04:34.10 | puetzk | and what's the first NULL? |
| 04:34.20 | jzaun | you need to sprintf first |
| 04:34.52 | MrApathyCream | jzaun: did you ever fix your patch so it doesn't redraw message area unless new message arrived? |
| 04:34.59 | jzaun | the NULL is a player struct if its coming from a player |
| 04:35.03 | puetzk | cool |
| 04:35.17 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: no, doing that and font size now |
| 04:37.17 | puetzk | jzaun: how do I find the controlPanel * from src/platform code? |
| 04:38.29 | jzaun | puetzk: err.... it would be in the HUD for you.... sry |
| 04:38.47 | puetzk | ? |
| 04:39.52 | jzaun | its in the hud, not the controlpanel. my source is a little diff than yours |
| 04:40.43 | puetzk | sweetness |
| 04:41.17 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: I can't add the if around the message anymore, if I do it flashes terribly cause I |
| 04:41.29 | jzaun | 'm drawing a background immage |
| 04:41.57 | puetzk | once it works of course :-) |
| 04:42.08 | jzaun | add it to the patches section on SF |
| 04:42.27 | puetzk | okay |
| 04:42.33 | puetzk | look for it after sunday then ;-) |
| 04:42.40 | puetzk | I'm gone from tomorrow morning on till then :-) |
| 04:43.17 | jzaun | :-) |
| 04:43.29 | puetzk | and submitting code then disappearing is bad form :_) |
| 04:45.16 | ppl | BZFlag: cool ;) |
| 04:45.26 | BZFlag | http://bzflag.org/download/ |
| 04:46.04 | jzaun | Hello BZFlag |
| 04:47.20 | corndawg | think i finally figured it out! lol shoulda just started with 1 teleport |
| 04:48.18 | ppl | are their any plans to prevent the use of modifyed bzflag for cheating? |
| 04:48.48 | jzaun | ppl, thats (near) impossible to do |
| 04:48.49 | corndawg | heh crypt the configs :) |
| 04:48.55 | corndawg | err encrypt :) |
| 04:48.57 | patlabor221 | define "modified" |
| 04:49.19 | patlabor221 | every new feature could be considered "modified" |
| 04:49.26 | ppl | you go and edit the source so you always own some powerfull flag for example |
| 04:49.27 | BZFlag | ppl: plans, sure. no action to annouce though. |
| 04:49.44 | BZFlag | looks like I might be unemployed, so perhaps we'll have some progress? ;-) |
| 04:49.53 | patlabor221 | beter thing to do is have the server be athortive |
| 04:50.01 | jzaun | BZFlag: how come? |
| 04:50.51 | BZFlag | jzaun: Motorola/Metrowerks bought Lineo/Embedix, choose not to keep me on, and we have not come to terms on a contract work. |
| 04:51.19 | jzaun | BZFlag: Sorry to hear that, wish ya the best though |
| 04:51.54 | BZFlag | thanx. |
| 04:52.46 | ppl | happy hacking |
| 04:52.48 | *** part/#bzflag ppl (~ppl@ip142166204111.nbtel.net) |
| 04:52.56 | puetzk | hmm |
| 04:53.02 | puetzk | I'm getting buttons from libjsw |
| 04:53.08 | puetzk | so why isn't bzflags taking them |
| 04:53.37 | jzaun | MrApathyCream: try the patch now, the fonts are the way they used to be, smaller. I still don't like the font in general though |
| 04:53.41 | patlabor221 | how do you people live without debugers? |
| 04:53.48 | puetzk | I don't :-) |
| 04:53.58 | jzaun | patlabor221: I use gdb, but its a PITA |
| 04:54.06 | jzaun | patlabor221: and printf helps alot :-P |
| 04:54.06 | puetzk | ddd is a nice frontend |
| 04:54.29 | patlabor221 | you should use MAC's "prefreded developement enviroment" :) |
| 04:54.34 | jzaun | puetzk: I've never gotten ddd to work for me |
| 04:54.38 | patlabor221 | and people say IDE's suck :) |
| 04:54.44 | puetzk | MAC? |
| 04:54.52 | jzaun | MrApathyCream |
| 04:54.54 | patlabor221 | Mr. Apathy Cream |
| 04:55.21 | jzaun | patlabor221: I like IDEs... just haven't found a good one yet |
| 04:55.38 | jzaun | patlabor221: I psersonally like VisualBasics IDE (not the lang) |
| 04:55.44 | patlabor221 | kdev semmed servacalble |
| 04:55.56 | patlabor221 | vis basics is just like VC++ |
| 04:55.58 | puetzk | damn I'm a moron |
| 04:55.59 | ninjer-proton | anjuta2 will be > everything |
| 04:56.27 | corndawg | lol a flying flag? |
| 04:56.32 | corndawg | thatd have to be funny |
| 04:56.36 | puetzk | gideon is damned nice (kdevelop 3, in cvs) |
| 04:56.36 | jzaun | patlabor221: with a GUI builder built right in? (bdl-clicking on a button gives you access to the callback(s) code) |
| 04:56.38 | patlabor221 | will it have right click access to the man pages? |
| 04:56.50 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: Will be is the key word |
| 04:56.55 | puetzk | espsecially since it works directly on Makefile.am's (and several others) instead of needing a "project file" |
| 04:57.04 | patlabor221 | jzuan yes, called class wiszard |
| 04:57.05 | puetzk | so you can just open something up and have the IDE rock it :-) |
| 04:57.10 | ninjer-proton | jzaun: true |
| 04:57.18 | ninjer-proton | but anjuta2 uses gdl, so it has to be good ;) |
| 04:57.29 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: I actually just dloaded 1.0.1 today to check it out |
| 04:57.44 | puetzk | sweet |
| 04:57.46 | puetzk | now it works |
| 04:57.54 | puetzk | except for "right click to begin" |
| 04:58.10 | patlabor221 | I wonder if i can build anjunta for the G4 I just got at my desk |
| 04:58.15 | jzaun | patlabor221: is it actually exactly like VB or is it a class browser? (I like being able to dbl-click the controls themselves to access the code) |
| 04:58.19 | puetzk | which doesn't seem to accept js buttons yet |
| 04:58.25 | ninjer-proton | jzaun: 1.0.1 is a different codebase than anjuta2 |
| 04:58.37 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: where is the a2 code? |
| 04:58.43 | ninjer-proton | jzaun: in gnome cvs |
| 04:58.44 | patlabor221 | jzuan, it's more then vb, but with MFC you can do the controol to code thing |
| 04:58.56 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: noone one the mailing list seems to know (I;ve been on it for several months now) |
| 04:59.00 | patlabor221 | vb just calles the MFC stuff anyway ( or a variant ) |
| 04:59.12 | ninjer-proton | jzaun: last time i checked anjuta2 wasn't even close to done |
| 04:59.15 | puetzk | okay, off to play |
| 04:59.20 | jzaun | patlabor221: MFC = BPITAITW |
| 04:59.23 | puetzk | it's working well enough |
| 04:59.31 | patlabor221 | please use words |
| 04:59.35 | puetzk | mfc is painful :-) |
| 04:59.48 | patlabor221 | so is VB |
| 04:59.48 | jzaun | Biggest Pain In The Ass In The World |
| 04:59.51 | patlabor221 | it is what is |
| 04:59.56 | patlabor221 | there are large pains in the ass |
| 05:00.02 | patlabor221 | Mac clasic toolkit |
| 05:00.37 | patlabor221 | I find that most people who hate mfc are trying to make it someting it's not |
| 05:00.49 | jzaun | patlabor221: with VB I can make in App in no time. Its just so easy to use the IDE. I haven't personally found one lke it for C |
| 05:01.02 | patlabor221 | I can do the same in MFC |
| 05:01.12 | jzaun | patlabor221: That may be the case, I didn't use C/C++ on windows for more than about 20 min. |
| 05:01.12 | patlabor221 | and add open GL in 3 lines of code :) |
| 05:01.43 | jzaun | patlabor221: I used VB alot though... I learned C/C++ after I left the windows world |
| 05:01.44 | patlabor221 | the orignal BZedit on windows was made in MFC in a day. |
| 05:02.30 | patlabor221 | i've never realy used any of the 'toy' langs |
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| 05:02.57 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: from the talk on the Anjuta list, they may convert it to gnome2 while waiting for Anhuta2 to come about |
| 05:03.22 | jzaun | patlabor221: VB may be a "toy" but it can do alot in a short amount of time |
| 05:03.42 | jzaun | patlabor221: basic in itself is very powerfull..... it was also the first lang I ever learned |
| 05:04.14 | patlabor221 | me too, and realy what makes VB nice is the API they hooked it into, and you can access the same thing from other langs |
| 05:04.31 | jzaun | patlabor221: very true |
| 05:04.46 | jzaun | patlabor221: the issue I have is VBA... that should never have been done |
| 05:05.01 | jzaun | patlabor221: they made VB to powerfull a lang to be used as a scripting lang |
| 05:05.05 | patlabor221 | yeah it's a pile of crap |
| 05:05.45 | jzaun | but I must say, one good thing about me going to linux all that time ago is it has forced me to learn C/C++ |
| 05:05.54 | jzaun | and that has been a great experance |
| 05:05.59 | patlabor221 | and printfs |
| 05:06.22 | jzaun | heh... |
| 05:06.35 | jzaun | so I have some bad habbits, the final code don't have them in there though :-) |
| 05:06.52 | ninjer-proton | jzaun: bleh, i could kinda care less. i'm not a big IDE fan |
| 05:06.53 | patlabor221 | ohh I know, just it takes time to go pull them out |
| 05:07.02 | patlabor221 | and it's a pain in large projects |
| 05:07.12 | patlabor221 | easyer to let the computer HELP you make stuff |
| 05:07.39 | jzaun | patlabor221: I never have more than 1 or 2 in there at a time |
| 05:07.55 | patlabor221 | well you are working on rather small things |
| 05:07.55 | jzaun | ninjer-proton: nore am I anymore. gedit is what I've been useing |
| 05:08.13 | corndawg | nedit aint bad either :) |
| 05:08.19 | corndawg | vi is too damn picky |
| 05:08.28 | jzaun | patlabor221: even in codeing the ggz clients and libs. |
| 05:08.39 | jzaun | patlabor221: it will be hard for me to break that habbit |
| 05:09.12 | jzaun | corndawg: I have always liked simple editors... vi can do way more than I would ever need it to do, and makes what I use a pain to do |
| 05:09.14 | ninjer-proton | vi is beeeeautiful |
| 05:09.37 | patlabor221 | breaking habits is part of learning and growing :) |
| 05:09.44 | jzaun | to each their own on the editors/langs they use though |
| 05:10.06 | jzaun | each has its ups and down. Just have to pick the right tool for the job |
| 05:10.26 | jzaun | patlabor221: very true, and I broke a big one, I left VB :-D |
| 05:27.42 | ninjer-proton | http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/pics/truelove.png |
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| 05:47.09 | puetzk | yay, it works |
| 05:47.19 | puetzk | and it even feels pretty good :-) |
| 05:50.31 | puetzk | the best part of kdevelop3... it uses vim :-) |
| 05:56.46 | ninjer-proton | MrApathyCream: d0\^/NlO4DaB|3 s0c|<s |
| 05:57.15 | MrApathyCream | downloadable socks? |
| 05:57.26 | MrApathyCream | kul |
| 05:57.46 | MrApathyCream | don't forget needs to be for windows too |
| 05:58.14 | ninjer-proton | oh i know |
| 05:59.33 | Nidhoggr | can anyone give advice on why my bzfs isn't showing up on the public server list? not behind firewall, etc. |
| 06:00.09 | ninjer-proton | Nidhoggr: are you using -public? |
| 06:00.13 | Nidhoggr | yes. |
| 06:00.31 | MrApathyCream | what's your cmd line |
| 06:00.44 | Nidhoggr | hang on.. it's long. :( |
| 06:01.57 | Nidhoggr | bzfs +f CL +f GM +f ICD +f L +f OO +f ST +f SW -f JP -f R -j -lagdrop 5 -lagwarn 600 -maxidle 300 -mo 0 -mp 3,3,3,3,3 -ms 2 -p 5155 -passwd hidden -pr 5156 -r +r -requireudp +s 15 -s 15 -sa -st 10 -sw 1 -t -ttl 128 -public "Now playing Mega Dome by dutchrai@yahoo.com" -publicaddr "secretplace.us:5155" -publiclist "bzflist://166.70.15.250" -srvmsg "Welcome to Mega Dome by dutchrai@yahoo.com" -world "/usr/games/bzflag/megadome.bzw" |
| 06:02.09 | Nidhoggr | I tried the -publiclist with and without. |
| 06:02.19 | MrApathyCream | kull we got the password ;) |
| 06:02.39 | Nidhoggr | I changed before I /exec -msg'd it. |
| 06:02.40 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 06:03.36 | Nidhoggr | it's a virtual hostname on the machine. I can use the default hostname (dragon.org) |
| 06:03.45 | Nidhoggr | both should work, though. |
| 06:03.55 | MrApathyCream | dragon.org is pingable, the other no |
| 06:04.08 | Nidhoggr | hrm.. maybe the registration is not done yet. |
| 06:04.13 | Nidhoggr | let me try to change... |
| 06:06.07 | Nidhoggr | how long does it usually take? |
| 06:08.37 | MrApathyCream | for..? |
| 06:09.19 | Nidhoggr | once I restart server for it to show up on public list |
| 06:09.32 | MrApathyCream | oh, pretty much immediate i think |
| 06:09.35 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 06:09.49 | Nidhoggr | is that correct -publiclist option? |
| 06:09.56 | Nidhoggr | or should I leave it off? |
| 06:10.15 | ninjer-proton | Nidhoggr: try leaving it off |
| 06:11.05 | MrApathyCream | the default is: "http://BZFlag.SourceForge.net/list-server.txt" |
| 06:11.45 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 06:11.50 | Nidhoggr | trying without |
| 06:12.17 | MrApathyCream | try: bzflist://204.228.134.186:5156/ |
| 06:12.18 | MrApathyCream | next |
| 06:12.19 | Nidhoggr | yay! thanks guys. |
| 06:12.22 | Nidhoggr | it works now |
| 06:12.59 | Nidhoggr | I've got a fast server coming up in a few months, but for now, dragon.org is pretty well connected. |
| 06:15.18 | MrApathyCream | Hey, wanna try to track down this win32 bzfs problem? |
| 06:15.49 | ninjer-proton | nope |
| 06:15.50 | ninjer-proton | ;) |
| 06:15.52 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 06:15.56 | MrApathyCream | I've got a 'haha' server running on 209.195.250.227:5156 |
| 06:16.08 | MrApathyCream | (screamin' 56k |
| 06:16.23 | MrApathyCream | anyone please try to connect and disconnect |
| 06:16.27 | MrApathyCream | (a few times) |
| 06:16.34 | Nidhoggr | what would you say the average server is running on connection-wise? |
| 06:16.42 | MrApathyCream | cable |
| 06:16.47 | Nidhoggr | cool. |
| 06:17.00 | MrApathyCream | --definitely NOT 56K |
| 06:17.02 | MrApathyCream | :) |
| 06:17.04 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org is on 1.5mb, and new server will be 10mb. |
| 06:17.07 | ninjer-proton | MrApathyCream: connected & disconn |
| 06:17.20 | MrApathyCream | couple of times, please... i;ll do same |
| 06:19.17 | ninjer-proton | error connecting to server |
| 06:19.25 | MrApathyCream | ok, back up |
| 06:22.27 | Nidhoggr | how easy are the rotating map servers? is it built into bzfs, or do you have to script it? |
| 06:25.25 | MrApathyCream | you need a script |
| 06:25.29 | MrApathyCream | ask jzaun |
| 06:25.43 | MrApathyCream | ninjer-proton: well, no immediate problems |
| 06:29.23 | MrApathyCream | Hmmm, found this in stdout: |
| 06:29.23 | MrApathyCream | recvMulticast: The datagram was too large to fit into the specified buffer and was truncated (10040) |
| 06:29.39 | ninjer-proton | strange |
| 06:29.45 | ninjer-proton | especially since we don't -use- multicast |
| 06:29.50 | MrApathyCream | yup |
| 06:37.32 | Nidhoggr | I love this game, except for the lockups (xp, athlon, radeon 9700) |
| 06:37.45 | Nidhoggr | I should install another drive with linux and see if that fiex. |
| 06:37.48 | Nidhoggr | fixes |
| 06:38.14 | MrApathyCream | Nidhoggr: are running bzfs on windows? |
| 06:38.38 | Nidhoggr | no |
| 06:38.47 | Nidhoggr | fs is running on redhat 7.3 |
| 06:38.57 | Nidhoggr | on my very stable server :) |
| 06:39.01 | MrApathyCream | k |
| 06:39.17 | Nidhoggr | I'm running client on windows :( |
| 07:35.55 | MrApathyCream | ninjer-proton: got the argyle versions working yet? |
| 07:37.38 | ninjer-proton | MrApathyCream: not yet |
| 08:10.43 | Nidhoggr | how do I allow bzcops to connect to my server? |
| 08:15.11 | *** join/#bzflag sussudio (Suss@d51132b7.cable.wanadoo.nl) |
| 08:27.12 | MrApathyCream | set a password |
| 08:47.42 | fiberchunks | moin moin |
| 08:48.15 | MrApathyCream | lo |
| 08:48.24 | fiberchunks | how you doin mac? |
| 08:48.31 | MrApathyCream | peachy |
| 08:49.08 | fiberchunks | heh, dern back woke me up -- of course I can't get back to bed :\ anyone wanna play some? |
| 08:49.29 | MrApathyCream | heh, gotta head off to pillow-land |
| 08:49.38 | fiberchunks | phoot |
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| 09:24.40 | Nidhoggr | well, that was fun.. and server is holding up okay. |
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| 11:43.37 | strayer | morning... |
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| 12:47.42 | Secret_Hamster | anyone awake to do me a favour |
| 12:50.19 | strayer | which one? |
| 12:50.49 | strayer | Secret_Hamster? |
| 12:52.35 | Secret_Hamster | it's the dixiest.is-a-geek.org |
| 12:52.42 | Secret_Hamster | on port 17200 |
| 12:52.55 | strayer | ok...mompl |
| 12:53.14 | Secret_Hamster | can you go throught the list server, make sure it properly connects for other people |
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| 13:10.01 | Secret_Hamster | hi bzg |
| 13:10.26 | Secret_Hamster | I'm gonna move those teleports so you can't drop the flag on there |
| 13:10.28 | bzgirl | hello Secret_Hamster |
| 13:10.28 | Secret_Hamster | hi <insert your nick here>, how are your how's the <wife/dog/hamster/kids>. I'm fine, yea really |
| 13:10.54 | scanline | heh |
| 13:11.15 | Secret_Hamster | yea auto repsonse that thing :) |
| 13:11.27 | sussudio | servers that suck................ dixiest, bamf |
| 13:11.38 | Secret_Hamster | ;) |
| 13:11.57 | Secret_Hamster | sussudio: and why do they suck? |
| 13:12.10 | sussudio | i'm not even getting a reply on /lagstats on dixiest |
| 13:12.22 | Secret_Hamster | should do |
| 13:13.58 | Secret_Hamster | I get it. but then I'm the same side of the firewall |
| 13:14.07 | Secret_Hamster | however shouldn't make a difference |
| 13:14.46 | Secret_Hamster | brb |
| 13:22.59 | Chestal | what's wrong with bamf's server? |
| 13:28.43 | sussudio | it's lagged |
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| 13:35.12 | Secret_Hamster | no it's not |
| 13:44.38 | Chestal | most people are in the 100-200ms range |
| 13:44.44 | Chestal | that's acceptable |
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| 13:46.48 | *** part/#bzflag jneves (~Really@a212-113-187-169.netcabo.pt) |
| 13:53.38 | *** join/#bzflag Secret-Squirrel (~piffle@pc2-mfld3-5-cust201.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 13:55.04 | bzgirl | i can do lagstats on Secret's server np |
| 13:55.30 | Secret-Squirrel | yea so yah-boo sucks to sussudio |
| 13:55.35 | bzgirl | i was 170 i think, and about the same on bamfs |
| 13:55.46 | Secret-Squirrel | Ps how do you kill off a ghost on this server? |
| 13:55.55 | bzgirl | a ghost? |
| 13:55.59 | bzgirl | like nr? |
| 13:56.10 | bzgirl | oh on irc? |
| 13:56.13 | Secret-Squirrel | yea |
| 13:56.21 | bzgirl | is your nick registered? |
| 13:56.25 | Secret-Squirrel | nope |
| 13:56.33 | bzgirl | hmm not sure then |
| 13:56.38 | strayer | hi tea... |
| 13:56.41 | Secret-Squirrel | didn't know you could register on this |
| 13:57.03 | strayer | hi Secret-Squirrel...havent seen U...before |
| 13:57.06 | bzgirl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.14 | bzgirl | nickserv* |
| 13:57.22 | strayer | yupp |
| 13:57.38 | Secret-Squirrel | ah uses the nickserv stuff. Ahh so is this the same software as on Dal.net |
| 13:58.09 | bzgirl | i guess so, /msg nickserv help |
| 13:58.37 | bzgirl | GHOST Kill a ghosted nickname |
| 13:58.57 | bzgirl | so you can kill him |
| 13:59.23 | Secret-Squirrel | only if it's registered |
| 13:59.42 | Secret-Squirrel | anyone know any IRCops |
| 14:00.56 | sussudio | let me get this straight, you want to bother a ircop so he'll kill your nick? |
| 14:01.02 | Secret-Squirrel | yep |
| 14:01.16 | sussudio | there's times like this i wish i had some popcorn |
| 14:01.26 | Secret-Squirrel | so I can then register it. It doesn't look like it's gonna die off |
| 14:01.40 | sussudio | oh yeah it will...... |
| 14:01.41 | Chestal | I always wonder how peopel create ghosts |
| 14:01.43 | sussudio | in about a day |
| 14:01.47 | Chestal | it never happens to me |
| 14:01.55 | Secret-Squirrel | jeez a day |
| 14:02.11 | scanline | Chestal: if you have a crappy modem connection :) |
| 14:02.17 | Secret-Squirrel | hurrah |
| 14:02.58 | Secret_Hamster | and I've just registered it |
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| 14:10.31 | bzgirl | hi paul |
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| 14:10.39 | paul | heya ang |
| 14:10.50 | paul | you're up early again |
| 14:10.56 | strayer | ak|ra..hi |
| 14:11.00 | ak|ra | hhu |
| 14:11.01 | bzgirl | its 9:17 |
| 14:11.06 | bzgirl | thats not early |
| 14:11.10 | paul | tis for me |
| 14:11.12 | Chestal | but it is |
| 14:11.28 | bzgirl | i was up at 7:30 |
| 14:11.49 | paul | but you have some kind of "get up early" disease |
| 14:11.53 | Secret_Hamster | hey it's 14:20 here |
| 14:12.11 | bzgirl | paul: i cant help myself :) |
| 14:12.14 | paul | yep... a normal proper time to be getting up and into work at |
| 14:12.27 | paul | you're just sick :) |
| 14:13.13 | bzgirl | are there irc servers for microsoft? |
| 14:13.35 | bzgirl | i need some powerpoint help |
| 14:15.24 | strayer | don't think so... |
| 14:16.47 | strayer | bzgirl: what do U wanna know...is it an difficult problem? |
| 14:18.20 | bzgirl | strayer: hold on, will try to show you |
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| 14:23.52 | Secret-Squirrel | what |
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| 16:30.37 | bzdoug_ | You have 5 Moderator Points! Use 'em or lose 'em! |
| 16:31.36 | sussudio | ~sud |
| 16:31.36 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 16:31.48 | bzdoug_ | ~lart sussudio |
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| 16:36.29 | Secret-Squirrel | this thing of bzedit being at v2.1? is it tue? |
| 16:36.36 | bzdoug_ | maybe |
| 16:36.39 | bzdoug_ | ~bzedit |
| 16:36.40 | | rumour has it, bzedit is http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/code/tarballs/bzedit-2.1.tar.gz on linux http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit for windows |
| 16:36.45 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 16:36.54 | Secret-Squirrel | but only on unix? |
| 16:36.59 | Secret-Squirrel | not on windows |
| 16:37.09 | bzdoug_ | yea, windows has its own bzedit |
| 16:37.20 | bzdoug_ | which, by far, is better |
| 16:37.22 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 16:37.55 | Secret-Squirrel | I hope not. It has a few fatal problems |
| 16:37.55 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 16:38.02 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 16:38.04 | bzdoug_ | like what? |
| 16:38.13 | Secret_Hamster | you can delete objects in it |
| 16:38.21 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 16:38.24 | Secret_Hamster | if you do it screws the file up |
| 16:38.28 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 16:38.30 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 16:38.46 | Secret_Hamster | I just use it now to check the visual look of it |
| 16:39.01 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 16:39.02 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 16:39.17 | bzdoug_ | and it has that tool for "douplicate and copy.... |
| 16:39.22 | Secret_Hamster | ahh sorry you "CAN'T delete" |
| 16:39.50 | Secret_Hamster | if you delete an item it really screws it up |
| 16:40.02 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:40.03 | bzdoug_ | odd |
| 16:40.17 | bzdoug_ | but it IS a "beta" |
| 16:40.18 | Secret_Hamster | the file becomes corrupted (don't ask me how I can't see any errors even in hex) |
| 16:40.32 | *** join/#bzflag Nidhoggr (mandrake@dragon.org) |
| 16:40.36 | bzdoug_ | there is a "release" version |
| 16:40.45 | bzdoug_ | oooh, mandrake@dragon.org |
| 16:40.49 | bzdoug_ | very neat |
| 16:40.53 | Nidhoggr | hi |
| 16:40.55 | Secret_Hamster | same in version 1.5.2 as far as I can see |
| 16:40.58 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:41.11 | bzdoug_ | I never had any problems in the older versions |
| 16:41.36 | Nidhoggr | I had bzfs core on me during the night. :( |
| 16:41.37 | Secret_Hamster | well I'm running 98 so it maybe down to that |
| 16:41.59 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:42.00 | Secret_Hamster | but it is definaltely broke |
| 16:42.03 | bzdoug_ | ick |
| 16:42.35 | bzdoug_ | hamsters ick |
| 16:43.09 | Nidhoggr | anyone know where on stats.bzflag.org there is supposed to be some instructions on how to allow bzcops on your server. |
| 16:43.12 | Nidhoggr | ? |
| 16:43.42 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: hmm, I think its on the server page |
| 16:43.44 | bzdoug_ | um |
| 16:44.37 | bzgirl | looks like its gone |
| 16:44.40 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 16:44.42 | bzdoug_ | it is |
| 16:44.43 | bzdoug_ | bummer |
| 16:44.49 | Nidhoggr | I remember reading it a week or so ago.. but I don't remember if it was on stats or www. |
| 16:45.05 | bzgirl | jzaun: are you there? |
| 16:45.07 | bzdoug_ | it was on stats |
| 16:45.10 | bzdoug_ | but its gone |
| 16:45.14 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 16:45.25 | bzgirl | yes it was definately on his site, under managed servers |
| 16:45.31 | bzdoug_ | GOOGLE CACHE! |
| 16:45.43 | bzgirl | i might still have the script though |
| 16:45.50 | bzdoug_ | here |
| 16:45.51 | bzdoug_ | http://stats.bzflag.org/script.php |
| 16:45.55 | Chestal | does bz use degree or radians in world files? |
| 16:45.55 | bzdoug_ | there ya go |
| 16:45.56 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 16:46.20 | Nidhoggr | cool.. thanks. :) |
| 16:46.23 | bzgirl | good work doug :) |
| 16:46.30 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 16:47.29 | Nidhoggr | ah... link to the actual script is dead. |
| 16:48.08 | Nidhoggr | maybe the script was causing problems or something. |
| 16:48.08 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 16:48.22 | bzdoug_ | cant, or else all the bzcop servers would be down |
| 16:49.33 | bzdoug_ | cuz only stupid people use debian |
| 16:49.40 | bzdoug_ | mandrake rulez |
| 16:49.54 | scanline | ~sud |
| 16:49.55 | | Shut Up, Doug. |
| 16:50.02 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 16:50.03 | sussudio | i'm not even going to dignify that with a reply |
| 16:50.09 | bzdoug_ | you just did |
| 16:50.31 | bzdoug_ | scanline: darwin rulez |
| 16:52.42 | bzdoug_ | .. |
| 17:06.15 | bzdoug_ | . |
| 17:06.43 | jzaun | sry all, was in the other room |
| 17:06.53 | jzaun | what up? |
| 17:06.54 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 17:07.09 | bzdoug_ | your server script page is missin from teh front page |
| 17:07.58 | jzaun | bzdoug_: Its being worked on... |
| 17:08.14 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 17:08.21 | bzdoug_ | well, I "found" it :P |
| 17:10.19 | jzaun | If someone isinterested in running a BZCop server they'll have to email me for now. |
| 17:10.26 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 17:10.40 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: ya hear that? |
| 17:12.46 | bzdoug_ | Hymn to the Red October.mp3 |
| 17:13.36 | Nidhoggr | cool |
| 17:15.02 | Nidhoggr | anyone know if there is an issue of 2 people play on a server from behind the same cable router (nat)? |
| 17:15.07 | Nidhoggr | s/of/if |
| 17:15.41 | bzdoug_ | I dont |
| 17:15.45 | Nidhoggr | if one of us joins, it causes everone to go [nr] |
| 17:15.54 | bzdoug_ | I have done it no problem |
| 17:16.09 | Nidhoggr | wierd. problably a linksys bug or something. |
| 17:16.15 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 17:16.24 | bzdoug_ | but my router/firewall is wide open |
| 17:16.25 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:17.02 | Nidhoggr | this should allow udp ports with no problems. it's intermittent, though. |
| 17:17.13 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 17:18.25 | Nidhoggr | it might be my flakey client. |
| 17:19.01 | Nidhoggr | it crashes constantly :( and I am the last issue on the support page. |
| 17:19.10 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 17:19.18 | Nidhoggr | just my luck |
| 17:19.25 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:19.34 | Nidhoggr | my friend, tim, got his mac client to work finally. |
| 17:19.41 | bzdoug_ | cool |
| 17:19.48 | Nidhoggr | my mac is too slow (dual 500mhz g4) |
| 17:20.02 | Nidhoggr | pretty sad when a dual 500 is too slow. |
| 17:20.06 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 17:20.09 | bzdoug_ | too slow? |
| 17:20.11 | bzdoug_ | impossible |
| 17:20.16 | *** join/#bzflag vogon (02f73062a0@66-109-193-234.nocharge.com) |
| 17:20.19 | Nidhoggr | play is VERY slow for some reason |
| 17:20.29 | bzdoug_ | you need a better video card |
| 17:20.40 | Nidhoggr | suggestion? |
| 17:20.44 | bzdoug_ | heck, bzflag runs on a 133 mhz computer fine if it has a good video card |
| 17:20.56 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: nvidia or ATI |
| 17:21.06 | Nidhoggr | there old rage pro in it now |
| 17:21.10 | bzdoug_ | ick |
| 17:21.27 | Nidhoggr | I'll have to go shopping :) |
| 17:21.30 | bzdoug_ | ;p; |
| 17:21.32 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 17:21.34 | Nidhoggr | I'd love ot play on my mac. |
| 17:21.41 | bzdoug_ | indeed |
| 17:21.46 | Nidhoggr | I prefer it to my pc... I do everything else on it. |
| 17:21.49 | Nidhoggr | oh. |
| 17:21.53 | bzdoug_ | it runs fine on my 933 mhz g4 with a gig of ram |
| 17:21.54 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 17:22.07 | Nidhoggr | wasn't it you that helped tim? yooohoooooo or some such nickname. |
| 17:22.11 | bzdoug_ | but then it has a geforce 4 mx in it |
| 17:22.15 | Nidhoggr | I have a gig of ram on my dual 500 |
| 17:22.22 | bzdoug_ | hmm, no |
| 17:22.43 | Nidhoggr | someone recompiled it so it used /usr/local/ instead of whatever it was using. |
| 17:22.50 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 17:22.55 | Nidhoggr | and it worked. it works on mine too.. just too slow. |
| 17:23.02 | bzdoug_ | bzflag.org has the offical OS X client |
| 17:23.07 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:23.12 | bzdoug_ | but its kinda old |
| 17:23.15 | *** join/#bzflag tea|tree (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E95C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:23.19 | bzdoug_ | should fix the current version |
| 17:23.30 | tea|tree | hello |
| 17:23.35 | bzdoug_ | hi |
| 17:23.51 | Nidhoggr | the official one won't even run on mine... it goes through the scroll at the beginning, then dies. |
| 17:23.58 | bzdoug_ | ick |
| 17:29.48 | Nidhoggr | been trying do decide on a world... playing megadome right now. really fun. |
| 17:30.03 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 17:30.36 | *** part/#bzflag vogon (02f73062a0@66-109-193-234.nocharge.com) |
| 17:31.08 | Nidhoggr | 2 shots is a bit challenging for n00bs like me, though. |
| 17:31.15 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 17:33.03 | jzaun | If you really want to practice skill, set to 1 shot :-) |
| 17:33.17 | tea|tree | ~ducatictf |
| 17:33.24 | tea|tree | pdd |
| 17:33.27 | tea|tree | ~ducati |
| 17:34.14 | Secret_Hamster | hey guys how much bandwitdth would you say you need for a bz server? |
| 17:34.21 | bzdoug_ | alot |
| 17:34.25 | Nidhoggr | megadome would make a good capture the flag map. |
| 17:34.42 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 17:34.48 | Secret_Hamster | how much is alot? |
| 17:34.57 | Secret_Hamster | 40k 60k 80k 200k? |
| 17:35.07 | Secret_Hamster | 2M |
| 17:35.09 | Nidhoggr | i was looking at mrtg last night... it spiked right around 500K a few times. |
| 17:35.13 | scanline | 1.21 jiggabytes per second |
| 17:35.18 | Nidhoggr | snrok |
| 17:35.22 | bzdoug_ | scanline: I was gonna say that |
| 17:35.22 | Nidhoggr | snork even |
| 17:35.42 | Secret_Hamster | is it dependant on the number of players? |
| 17:35.48 | bzdoug_ | yep |
| 17:35.57 | Secret_Hamster | so how many a player |
| 17:35.57 | scanline | bzdoug has found my only weakness... overused Back to the Future references... |
| 17:37.49 | Secret_Hamster | hum. kinda puts a downer on my little connection |
| 17:37.59 | bzdoug_ | Secret_Hamster: make it a 2v2 server |
| 17:38.01 | scanline | Secret_Hamster: just measure it |
| 17:38.18 | Secret_Hamster | 2v2 wouldn't work |
| 17:38.29 | bzdoug_ | 4v4 |
| 17:38.29 | Secret_Hamster | need at least 3 if not 4 aside |
| 17:38.42 | scanline | bzdoug_: a regular ruler won't work, you need a ruler per second |
| 17:38.52 | bzdoug_ | oh yea |
| 17:38.52 | bzgirl | 4 vs 4 is decent, specially for that map |
| 17:39.07 | Secret_Hamster | hum that's what we had and it seem to slow to a crawl |
| 17:39.16 | bzdoug_ | 3v3 |
| 17:39.18 | scanline | that's better |
| 17:39.19 | bzdoug_ | or 3v0 |
| 17:39.24 | bzdoug_ | 6v0 |
| 17:39.24 | Secret_Hamster | alot of people were lagging around 800ms |
| 17:39.29 | scanline | now measure those bits! |
| 17:39.55 | Secret_Hamster | waiting for the nest set of stats to go through |
| 17:40.05 | Secret_Hamster | s/nest/next |
| 17:40.15 | Secret_Hamster | anyway must go need to go food shopping |
| 17:40.20 | bzdoug_ | food |
| 17:40.23 | bzdoug_ | food is good |
| 17:40.37 | Secret_Hamster | I'll drop it down to 4v4 and see if that helps |
| 17:41.34 | Secret_Hamster | ps there is a little twerp out there called comm@nder. Thinks cheating is fun |
| 17:41.55 | Secret_Hamster | he's hardly diguising the fact either |
| 17:41.56 | bzdoug_ | Secret_Hamster: hehe |
| 17:42.33 | Secret_Hamster | see you later |
| 17:44.47 | Hamster_AFK | wtf is an impeller wedge? |
| 17:45.12 | Squirrel_AFK | hehehee |
| 17:45.22 | bzdoug_ | Hamster_AFK: the indestructeble wedge that all ships have |
| 17:45.30 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducati |
| 17:45.34 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 17:45.39 | bzdoug_ | read the honor books |
| 17:45.48 | *** join/#bzflag Secret_Hamster (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 17:46.04 | Secret_Hamster | :P |
| 17:46.23 | Hamster_AFK | ;) using my registered nik are you |
| 17:47.21 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 17:47.28 | bzdoug | ~lart bzdoug_ |
| 17:47.44 | bzdoug_ | boom |
| 17:47.47 | bzdoug_ | bwuahahah |
| 17:47.50 | scanline | why use bzdoug_ when bzdoug is available? |
| 17:47.57 | bzdoug_ | decoy |
| 17:48.03 | scanline | heh |
| 17:48.05 | bzdoug_ | and the best EW in the universe |
| 17:48.21 | scanline | ~nickometer bzdoug_ |
| 17:48.21 | | 'bzdoug_' is 14.000% lame, scanline |
| 17:48.24 | bzdoug_ | AND a bow sidewall on my LACs |
| 17:48.33 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer scanline |
| 17:48.33 | | 'scanline' is 0.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 17:48.52 | scanline | ~nickometer Hamster_AFK |
| 17:48.52 | | 'Hamster_AFK' is 22.000% lame, scanline |
| 17:49.06 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer bob |
| 17:49.06 | | 'bob' is 0.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 17:49.09 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 17:49.16 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer sussudio |
| 17:49.16 | | 'sussudio' is 0.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 17:49.36 | scanline | ~nickometer ninjer-proton |
| 17:49.36 | | 'ninjer-proton' is 14.000% lame, scanline |
| 17:50.03 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx |
| 17:50.03 | | 'xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx' is 17.000% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 17:50.07 | bzdoug_ | sheesh |
| 17:50.11 | bzdoug_ | what is 100% lame? |
| 17:50.29 | bzdoug_ | ~nickometer [TeA|TrEE] |
| 17:50.29 | | '[TeA|TrEE]' is 99.350% lame, bzdoug_ |
| 17:50.34 | bzgirl | ~nickometer bzgirl |
| 17:50.34 | | 'bzgirl' is 0.000% lame, bzgirl |
| 17:50.41 | bzdoug_ | woo |
| 17:50.41 | bzgirl | grr |
| 17:50.52 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@adsl-62-167-193-13.adslplus.ch) |
| 17:51.44 | bzdoug | ~nickometer @%#^%^$%[]][ |
| 17:51.44 | | '@%#^%^$%[]][' is 99.9926% lame, bzdoug |
| 17:51.52 | bzdoug | wow |
| 17:52.22 | bzdoug | ~nickometer !@%#451254{][}{][] |
| 17:52.22 | | '!@%#451254{][}{][]' is 99.9922% lame, bzdoug |
| 17:53.56 | scanline | it's a logarithmic scale |
| 17:54.00 | bzdoug | ah |
| 17:54.19 | *** join/#bzflag corndawg (~who_cares@c-24-131-245-105.mw.client2.attbi.com) |
| 17:54.23 | corndawg | hey all |
| 17:54.29 | bzdoug | lo |
| 17:54.45 | *** join/#bzflag corndoug (~micah@12-252-164-11.client.attbi.com) |
| 17:54.52 | bzdoug | lo |
| 17:54.57 | corndoug | hi |
| 17:55.03 | bzdoug | lo |
| 17:55.04 | corndawg | wow thats odd |
| 17:55.05 | corndawg | lol |
| 17:55.12 | bzdoug | indeed |
| 17:55.33 | corndoug | hi scanline |
| 17:55.38 | scanline | hi corndoug |
| 17:55.49 | bzdoug | lol |
| 17:56.05 | bzdoug | WOO! |
| 17:56.06 | bzdoug | This service has been shut down due to constant abuse and denial of service attacks on the people hosting it. |
| 17:56.07 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.07 | bzdoug | There is not much to add, it was a useful service provided freely and for the good of IRCnet, and now it has gone. Hopefully the people responsible for this are proud of themselves. |
| 17:56.07 | bzdoug | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:56.19 | corndawg | hey... i was reading on the features list at bzflag.org.. a user was asking to make the worlds bigger... |
| 17:56.33 | scanline | ~emulate BZFlag |
| 17:56.37 | | ACTION sits hacking on blootbot, bzflag, tuxscreen, eLinux, and many other projects and mutters "Patches Welcome!" |
| 17:56.37 | bzdoug | who might that be? |
| 17:56.37 | corndawg | since its not possible to build out... why not build up? |
| 17:56.49 | bzdoug | corndawg: who said it isnt possible? |
| 17:57.00 | corndawg | lemme find it again :) |
| 17:57.09 | bzdoug | corndawg: I got my map twice as big |
| 17:57.11 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:57.16 | corndawg | oh? |
| 17:57.17 | bzdoug | and it worked on all clients |
| 17:57.32 | corndawg | dang |
| 17:57.34 | bzdoug | its only on the server side that needs changing |
| 17:57.52 | corndawg | ah |
| 17:58.01 | bzdoug | :) |
| 17:58.02 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 17:59.13 | corndawg | here it is... |
| 17:59.15 | corndawg | http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=444658&group_id=3248&atid=353248 |
| 18:00.10 | bzdoug | I think thats been fixed |
| 18:00.18 | bzdoug | thats rather old |
| 18:00.29 | corndawg | ahh |
| 18:00.35 | bzdoug | I think |
| 18:00.42 | bzdoug | I remember that problem years ago |
| 18:00.51 | corndawg | from 01 lol |
| 18:01.24 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:01.27 | bzdoug | ok, 2 years |
| 18:01.34 | Nidhoggr | just trying king of the castle map |
| 18:01.45 | bzdoug | hm |
| 18:02.02 | corndawg | Nidhoggr: i got one i just made yesterday if ya wanna give it a whirl |
| 18:02.10 | Nidhoggr | sure corn. |
| 18:02.24 | corndawg | k.. ill send over the map |
| 18:02.31 | Nidhoggr | okie |
| 18:02.39 | bzdoug | upload the map to stats.bzflag.org? |
| 18:02.49 | corndawg | havnt yet |
| 18:02.52 | corndawg | i will tho :) |
| 18:02.54 | bzdoug | ah |
| 18:03.09 | bzdoug | then you could start a server with it running and you could play on it |
| 18:03.15 | corndawg | yea |
| 18:03.19 | bzdoug | its a 15 min server that jzaun starts |
| 18:03.20 | corndawg | i have :) |
| 18:03.26 | corndawg | ah |
| 18:03.37 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:03.56 | corndawg | not sure how many users my connection will hold tho considering its cable |
| 18:04.04 | bzdoug | well |
| 18:04.15 | bzdoug | if you use stats.bzflag.org server, you wont need to |
| 18:04.26 | corndawg | ahh |
| 18:04.32 | bzdoug | all it does is start a NEW bzflag server AT stats.bzflag.org |
| 18:04.36 | bzdoug | :) |
| 18:04.38 | bzdoug | slick huh? |
| 18:04.42 | corndawg | ah cool |
| 18:05.58 | corndawg | where on the site do ya upload maps/ |
| 18:06.00 | corndawg | ? |
| 18:06.10 | bzdoug | you have a user account? |
| 18:06.18 | bzdoug | login and click upload maps |
| 18:06.29 | corndawg | ahhh |
| 18:06.34 | corndawg | no user account lol |
| 18:10.14 | corndawg | brb |
| 18:13.05 | bzdoug | DIE!!!! |
| 18:13.34 | Nidhoggr | corn... was just gunna switch to your map and then the server got busy. |
| 18:13.42 | corndawg | ahh |
| 18:14.00 | Nidhoggr | it's set to go... so I'll put it up in a bit. |
| 18:14.04 | *** join/#bzflag Tagada (~hop@m224.net195-132-221.noos.fr) |
| 18:14.05 | Nidhoggr | what do you call it? |
| 18:14.11 | bzdoug | ~nickometer !@@##$$%%^^&*{}[]":;'::L:L?><sdfsdfdDSGF13242345 |
| 18:14.11 | | '!@@##$$%%^^&*{}[]":;'::L:L?><sdfsdfdDSGF13242345' is 99.9958% lame, bzdoug |
| 18:14.20 | bzdoug | oh man, almost to 100% |
| 18:14.32 | bzdoug | ~country .fr |
| 18:14.33 | | methinks country .fr is france |
| 18:14.35 | bzdoug | wow |
| 18:14.39 | bzdoug | someone from franch |
| 18:14.45 | bzdoug | france |
| 18:14.50 | bzdoug | first time here I guess |
| 18:14.52 | Tagada | yes :) |
| 18:15.00 | bzdoug | kewl |
| 18:15.25 | bzdoug | first time a fro, er, frence person ever came in here |
| 18:16.10 | bzdoug | ~ducati |
| 18:16.17 | bzdoug | hm |
| 18:16.20 | bzdoug | ~ducati |
| 18:16.27 | bzdoug | yay |
| 18:16.29 | bzdoug | ~ducati |
| 18:16.32 | bzdoug | should be one more |
| 18:16.38 | bzdoug | darn |
| 18:18.32 | bzdoug | hmm |
| 18:18.39 | bzdoug | I get [nr] to |
| 18:18.45 | bzdoug | funny |
| 18:18.47 | bzdoug | I never did before |
| 18:19.15 | corndawg | well that was fun |
| 18:19.25 | bzdoug | haha, I enjoyed it too |
| 18:19.27 | corndawg | lol i dont call it anything yet :) |
| 18:19.37 | bzdoug | heh |
| 18:21.00 | corndawg | nuffin like leftover pizza |
| 18:21.07 | bzdoug | heh |
| 18:23.13 | Tagada | I've been playing bzflag this afternoon for the first time. I seem to be unable to hit anybody |
| 18:23.31 | corndawg | ouch |
| 18:23.32 | Tagada | Is it just because I'm new to the game or is there something I should know |
| 18:23.42 | Nidhoggr | tagada... try reconnecting, because that happens some times with me, too. |
| 18:24.11 | Tagada | even with guided missiles, the missile heads toward the target but always misses it |
| 18:24.17 | Tagada | that's strange |
| 18:25.10 | Nidhoggr | what is a good openprojects irc server besides this one? |
| 18:32.10 | corndawg | whered everyone go? |
| 18:32.19 | corndawg | i rejoin and noones on lol |
| 18:34.21 | Nidhoggr | still here. |
| 18:34.29 | Nidhoggr | just playing bzflag on my server. |
| 18:34.36 | corndawg | whats the server addy? |
| 18:34.39 | Nidhoggr | corn... what you call your map? |
| 18:34.41 | Nidhoggr | dragon.org |
| 18:34.52 | corndawg | hum... world1.map so far lol |
| 18:35.05 | corndawg | so bz.dragon.org? |
| 18:35.11 | Nidhoggr | just dragon.org |
| 18:35.14 | corndawg | ahh k |
| 18:35.17 | Nidhoggr | it's in the public list. |
| 18:35.39 | Tagada | hum, it seems that my firewall stops all udp outgoing traffic |
| 18:35.46 | Tagada | this might be a problem |
| 18:37.06 | Nidhoggr | definitely |
| 18:38.26 | Chestal | tagada: yes, when you can send no udp, neither your shots nor your tank's position will reach the server |
| 18:46.51 | Tagada | yeap I've just try without filtering udp, I still die pretty often but I'm now able to kill other players :) |
| 18:46.56 | Nidhoggr | getting 100ish frames/second too bad my client likes to crash. :) |
| 18:47.05 | bzdoug | can anyone get to http://heck.no-ip.com |
| 18:47.13 | bzdoug | and also heckaman.bzflag.org |
| 18:49.02 | Nidhoggr | error connecting to server. |
| 18:56.21 | bzdoug | hm |
| 18:56.23 | bzdoug | 216.135.68.133? |
| 18:56.26 | bzdoug | http://216.135.68.133 |
| 18:56.41 | bzdoug | I am DMZ, so it should wrk |
| 18:58.16 | corndawg | man... |
| 18:58.28 | corndawg | some of them where just too lucky |
| 18:58.30 | corndawg | heh |
| 18:58.39 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 18:58.52 | Nidhoggr | I can't wait til I move server to 10mb connection. |
| 18:59.02 | bzdoug | can you try connecting to my bzfs server at 216.135.68.133 or heck.no-ip.com? |
| 18:59.04 | Nidhoggr | waiting for fiber to be installed in new datacenter. |
| 18:59.19 | bzdoug | 5155 |
| 18:59.21 | Nidhoggr | I tried and it failed. |
| 18:59.28 | bzdoug | did you try the web? |
| 18:59.32 | bzdoug | http://216.135.68.133? |
| 18:59.34 | bzdoug | hm |
| 18:59.36 | corndawg | itd try it... but itd lock my whole system up |
| 18:59.38 | bzdoug | http://216.135.68.133 |
| 18:59.41 | corndawg | if it failed |
| 18:59.48 | bzdoug | oh |
| 18:59.59 | bzdoug | but try the web browser |
| 19:00.00 | bzdoug | :) |
| 19:00.03 | corndawg | bzflag doesnt that every now and them |
| 19:00.06 | corndawg | k.. one sec |
| 19:00.24 | corndawg | worked for me |
| 19:00.36 | bzdoug | hm |
| 19:00.39 | bzdoug | but the server dont |
| 19:00.41 | bzdoug | hmm, odd |
| 19:01.04 | Nidhoggr | browser works for me. |
| 19:01.05 | corndawg | got it setup right in yer firewall? |
| 19:01.11 | bzdoug | I am DMZ |
| 19:01.14 | bzdoug | it should |
| 19:02.18 | *** join/#bzflag bzdoug_ (SteveJobs@216.135.68.133) |
| 19:02.25 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 19:02.29 | corndawg | re bzbug |
| 19:02.29 | bzdoug_ | try it again |
| 19:02.43 | bzdoug_ | yay |
| 19:02.47 | bzdoug_ | it sorta works |
| 19:02.50 | bzdoug_ | try it now anyway |
| 19:03.47 | bzdoug_ | opened ports 1-9000 |
| 19:03.47 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:06.19 | bzdoug_ | did you connect? |
| 19:06.22 | bzdoug_ | there is a bot on there |
| 19:06.28 | bzdoug_ | really fun bot too |
| 19:07.52 | corndawg | brb gonna get my other sound card fired up :) |
| 19:08.06 | bzdoug_ | k |
| 19:08.44 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~jeffm@planetg.virtualgibbs.com) |
| 19:12.28 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 19:12.37 | bzdoug_ | having 2 bots shooting at each other is fun |
| 19:12.46 | bzdoug_ | one bot sorta chases the other around |
| 19:13.51 | Nidhoggr | corndawg.. your map is up on dragon.org |
| 19:14.41 | *** part/#bzflag Tagada (~hop@m224.net195-132-221.noos.fr) |
| 19:14.43 | Patlabor221 | what |
| 19:14.57 | ninjer-proton | nuffing |
| 19:15.04 | ninjer-proton | just wanted to make sure you're still alive |
| 19:15.23 | Nidhoggr | ack... I dont' think this is your map. |
| 19:15.45 | Patlabor221 | assload of warnings when you build bz on osx |
| 19:18.14 | Nidhoggr | there, we go. |
| 19:18.31 | bzdoug_ | ona 100 shot server |
| 19:18.52 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 19:18.55 | bzdoug_ | how do I turn on ric? |
| 19:19.32 | bzdoug_ | ricoshÅ |
| 19:19.43 | Patlabor221 | same as you do normaly |
| 19:19.50 | bzdoug_ | -r? |
| 19:19.53 | bzdoug_ | dint work |
| 19:19.56 | Nidhoggr | +r |
| 19:20.00 | Nidhoggr | I think |
| 19:20.01 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 19:20.04 | ninjer-proton | gah |
| 19:21.02 | Nidhoggr | corndawg.. not a bad map. |
| 19:21.09 | bzdoug_ | hes not here |
| 19:21.32 | Patlabor221 | hmm CVS won't build on the mac how odd |
| 19:21.57 | ninjer-proton | bzdoug_: why in the world do you feel the need to make a 100-shot server? |
| 19:22.35 | Patlabor221 | cus he's a 15 year old male with no social life |
| 19:22.44 | ninjer-proton | oh ok |
| 19:23.03 | bzdoug_ | . |
| 19:23.11 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: join my server |
| 19:23.15 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: its fun fun fun |
| 19:23.31 | *** join/#bzflag corndawg (~who_cares@c-24-131-245-105.mw.client2.attbi.com) |
| 19:23.36 | corndawg | welp... that was fun |
| 19:23.38 | bzdoug_ | corndawg: join my servera |
| 19:23.44 | bzdoug_ | its fun fun fun |
| 19:24.00 | corndawg | what server bzbug? |
| 19:24.27 | bzdoug_ | heck.no-ip.com |
| 19:24.31 | bzdoug_ | 216.135.68.133 |
| 19:24.42 | corndawg | k |
| 19:24.45 | corndawg | port? |
| 19:24.49 | bzdoug_ | 5155 |
| 19:25.01 | corndawg | k |
| 19:25.02 | corndawg | one sec |
| 19:25.39 | *** join/#bzflag captain_pistachi (~jupiter@12-253-125-169.client.attbi.com) |
| 19:25.39 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o captain_pistachi] by ChanServ |
| 19:27.19 | corndawg | lol i joined till i got the boot |
| 19:27.28 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 19:27.29 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 19:27.33 | bzdoug_ | its restarting |
| 19:27.35 | bzdoug_ | hold on |
| 19:27.50 | corndawg | ahh |
| 19:28.08 | bzdoug_ | ok |
| 19:28.14 | bzdoug_ | starting all 5 bots |
| 19:28.30 | Nidhoggr | are bots built into server? |
| 19:28.39 | Chestal | ah, now the bases draw correctly |
| 19:28.48 | corndawg | hey Chestal |
| 19:28.49 | Chestal | Nidhoggr: no, into the client, and they suck |
| 19:29.06 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 19:29.38 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: not YOUR bot |
| 19:31.10 | corndawg | i should fire up the server and see if theres anything i can think of that should be added to the map i did |
| 19:31.33 | corndawg | any lab rats here? |
| 19:32.06 | Chestal | depends on the kind of map |
| 19:32.14 | corndawg | btw... that sound card i was using played hell with the new version of bzflag |
| 19:32.26 | corndawg | just a reg map Chestal.. no capture the flag |
| 19:32.42 | Chestal | I cannot test complex maps because my PC is too slow |
| 19:32.55 | corndawg | ahh its not a complex map :) |
| 19:33.00 | corndawg | least i dun think it is |
| 19:33.01 | strayer | bye all..... |
| 19:33.04 | *** part/#bzflag strayer (~s-t-r-a-y@p5088AB5D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:33.09 | captain_proton | god |
| 19:33.12 | captain_proton | 5 bots, 100 shots |
| 19:33.19 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: get a life |
| 19:33.19 | Chestal | well, I guess I can take a look. Where? |
| 19:33.31 | corndawg | k |
| 19:33.34 | corndawg | lemme fire it up |
| 19:35.29 | corndawg | 24.131.245.105 5155 |
| 19:36.11 | Nidhoggr | corn, your map is playing on dragon.org, still. |
| 19:36.15 | Nidhoggr | not a bad map |
| 19:36.26 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 19:37.04 | Hamster_AFK | hey bzg |
| 19:37.16 | bzgirl | hi again |
| 19:37.34 | Secret_Hamster | I was peaking out on my w |
| 19:37.38 | Secret_Hamster | I was peaking out on my bw |
| 19:37.58 | Secret_Hamster | probably dropping packets. hit 155 according to my FW |
| 19:39.11 | Secret_Hamster | anyone got statistics of bw required per number of players? |
| 19:39.40 | Nidhoggr | I peaked at just over 500K last night |
| 19:39.50 | Secret_Hamster | how many people connected |
| 19:40.03 | Nidhoggr | 10 or 15 |
| 19:40.40 | Secret_Hamster | so that would say 30k to 50k a user |
| 19:40.45 | Secret_Hamster | pretty high |
| 19:41.01 | Secret_Hamster | I think they need to look at protocol efficiency |
| 19:42.15 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: how are your "screamers" doing? |
| 19:42.33 | captain_proton | Secret_Hamster: Chestal did some bandwidth stats |
| 19:42.56 | Secret_Hamster | has he published the results |
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| 19:44.25 | Patlabor221 | cap: mostly doing internal stuff now, making the renderer, gameplay, and HUD classes all virtual and dynamicly changeable |
| 19:50.56 | Patlabor221 | cap: it allows you to pick what renderer, and stuff you use, so if someone wants to make a new hud they just derive off a new class and register it. |
| 19:51.29 | bzdoug_ | I see that having over 200 flags plus a 100 shot server breaks bzfs |
| 19:51.32 | bzdoug_ | and bots too |
| 19:51.39 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 19:52.12 | Nidhoggr | I'm making some lunch. |
| 19:52.14 | bzdoug_ | did you ever join? |
| 19:52.23 | bzdoug_ | cuz now its gonna be fun |
| 19:52.23 | Nidhoggr | I should try again. |
| 19:52.23 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 19:52.25 | Nidhoggr | need food |
| 19:52.27 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 19:52.39 | Nidhoggr | also... I potentially open to running 2 maps at once. |
| 19:52.48 | Nidhoggr | once I get new server in place, then I can run more. |
| 19:57.08 | corndawg | dat was fun |
| 19:58.42 | corndawg | Chestal: -j -ms 10 +r -r +s 35 -st 5 -fb -tk -mp 7 +f GM +f L +f OO -f MG -f PZ -f SR -f SW thems the options i have set up |
| 19:59.21 | Chestal | I'd use less shots and probably less flags, not sure about the flags |
| 19:59.34 | *** join/#bzflag MortimeR (~MortimeR@62-36-148-42.dialup.uni2.es) |
| 19:59.44 | corndawg | ah |
| 20:00.06 | Chestal | shake time for bad flags migh tbe a little too short |
| 20:00.24 | corndawg | steamroller is another flag i didnt use |
| 20:00.40 | Chestal | sr is a cool flag, though |
| 20:00.57 | jzaun | Chestal: It takes skill to use properly though |
| 20:01.24 | corndawg | no doubt... something i lack with sr |
| 20:01.34 | Secret_Hamster | hey Chestal, you got bandwidth stats for a bzfs? |
| 20:02.01 | Chestal | Hamster: I got network stats for ducati |
| 20:03.38 | Secret_Hamster | are they published anywhere so I can get a rough idea of requirements |
| 20:04.06 | Chestal | just a sec |
| 20:06.00 | Chestal | http://www.home.unix-ag.org/thilo/bzflag/ducatistats.html |
| 20:06.21 | Chestal | this is a total for ducati, so both servers + potential other traffic |
| 20:06.34 | Chestal | but basically it's the CTF server, max. of 8 players |
| 20:06.42 | Chestal | in<->out |
| 20:06.53 | corndawg | brb |
| 20:07.09 | Nidhoggr | hrm. |
| 20:07.26 | Nidhoggr | I seem to be using a lot more b/w than that |
| 20:08.19 | Chestal | these are averages |
| 20:08.25 | Chestal | so peak usage per second could be higher |
| 20:08.29 | Nidhoggr | I'm also using mrtg |
| 20:08.30 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:08.31 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:08.51 | Chestal | I wouldn't expect more than 60 or 90kb/s for my server, though |
| 20:09.22 | Chestal | of course when you'ev go tmore than 8 players, it can be much higher |
| 20:09.30 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 20:09.41 | Nidhoggr | I think I had 10-15 last night. |
| 20:09.42 | captain_proton | also quite a bit higher with more shots |
| 20:09.48 | Nidhoggr | peaked at 508 |
| 20:10.03 | bzdoug_ | is self destruct allowed in tournaments? |
| 20:10.06 | Nidhoggr | was doing 2 shots last nite. |
| 20:10.22 | Chestal | with 15 active players, you'd need nearly 4 times the bandwidth |
| 20:10.35 | Chestal | yes, more shots do certainly increase it |
| 20:10.47 | Chestal | with my 2 shots setup the position update messages are the main factor |
| 20:10.53 | Chestal | with >10 shots, this might be different |
| 20:11.10 | bzdoug_ | 100 shots sucks up bandwidth |
| 20:11.12 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:11.15 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:11.16 | jzaun | Chestal: what you use to make the bandwidth graphs? |
| 20:11.27 | Nidhoggr | looks like mrtg |
| 20:11.31 | Chestal | yes |
| 20:11.41 | Chestal | I got them from the admin, didn't make them myself |
| 20:11.45 | bzdoug_ | jzaun:if I make a 800x800 map, would you recompile your servers to support it? |
| 20:11.58 | Nidhoggr | heh |
| 20:12.04 | jzaun | bzdoug_: nope, stock server only |
| 20:12.05 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: it requires some code fixes |
| 20:12.07 | Chestal | we should make world size a variable |
| 20:12.16 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: its fully capaible with current clients |
| 20:12.20 | Chestal | mayeb for next incompatible release |
| 20:12.37 | captain_proton | Chestal: it technically already is |
| 20:12.39 | jzaun | bzdoug_: once its in CVS I'll run it :-) |
| 20:12.40 | Chestal | proton: shouldn't be hard I guess? |
| 20:12.47 | captain_proton | Chestal: its just not hooked up between world file -> world database |
| 20:12.49 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: bah, the larger maps are fully supported now by CVS |
| 20:12.53 | Chestal | proton: yes, but the client uses the contant from global.h sometimes AFAIK |
| 20:13.07 | captain_proton | Chestal: i've seen hacked servers that send the world size |
| 20:13.09 | jzaun | bzdoug_: really? |
| 20:13.11 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: could you make it a -varialble? |
| 20:13.16 | Chestal | captain_proton: I think they send it always |
| 20:13.24 | jzaun | bzdoug_: if that so, I'll pull down the latest CVS and use it |
| 20:13.26 | Chestal | but clients does not use it consequently |
| 20:13.27 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea, the current clients work fine, join my server heck.no-ip.com |
| 20:13.38 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: but its not in the server |
| 20:13.38 | Chestal | there have been servers with huge worlds 2 years ago |
| 20:13.44 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: its in the world-file parser already |
| 20:13.45 | Chestal | but it did not really work |
| 20:13.50 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: oh |
| 20:13.55 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: then why not fix it? |
| 20:13.59 | bzdoug_ | er |
| 20:14.04 | captain_proton | its just some server changes to hook it up between the parser and the database |
| 20:14.05 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: oh, then why not fix it? |
| 20:14.14 | bzdoug_ | little changes? |
| 20:14.30 | Chestal | bzdoug: it should be changes, yes, makes sense because next version is aimed to be incompatible anyway |
| 20:14.37 | Chestal | proton: no, client changes |
| 20:14.37 | bzdoug_ | hm |
| 20:14.40 | Chestal | proton: I am quite sure |
| 20:14.53 | bzdoug_ | but IF you could change it now, all the older clients would still work |
| 20:14.56 | captain_proton | Chestal: it can't be - i've seen the server send the world size before - with stock clients |
| 20:15.11 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: like my server |
| 20:15.14 | Chestal | or has it been changed already? |
| 20:15.16 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: any client works with it |
| 20:15.33 | Chestal | proton: IIRC it has been sending the size for ages if you hacked the server |
| 20:15.46 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: thats what I did |
| 20:15.46 | Chestal | proton: but the client used to use WallPosition constant, seems to have been changed? |
| 20:16.00 | *** join/#bzflag BZFlag (timr@rikers.org) |
| 20:16.05 | captain_proton | Chestal: i dunno - as of about a year ago it worked fine - never saw it before then |
| 20:16.17 | captain_proton | i don't remember seeing any patches/checkins regarding it |
| 20:16.22 | jzaun | bzdoug_: getting cvs sources for the server |
| 20:16.27 | bzdoug_ | BZFlag: patches welcome |
| 20:16.28 | jzaun | bzdoug_: It wil be updated shortly |
| 20:16.30 | *** mode/#bzflag [+o BZFlag] by ChanServ |
| 20:16.31 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: it aint in CVS |
| 20:16.41 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: but the CVS client works with my hacked server |
| 20:16.43 | Chestal | proton: well, WallPosition seems to be a dead constant |
| 20:16.45 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: perfectly |
| 20:16.46 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: if you want the feature, HACK IT YOURSELF |
| 20:16.54 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: I DID! |
| 20:16.59 | jzaun | bzdoug_: ahh... but will a non-hacked client work? |
| 20:17.06 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yes! |
| 20:17.08 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: so make a patch and submit it to sf |
| 20:17.09 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: :) |
| 20:17.18 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: make a patch? how? |
| 20:17.22 | jzaun | bzdoug_: will a g0 client work? |
| 20:17.26 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 20:17.32 | bzdoug_ | try it out |
| 20:17.32 | Chestal | there is still some direct use of WorldSize contant, though |
| 20:17.36 | bzdoug_ | join my server and test it |
| 20:17.38 | Chestal | BackGrondRenderer uses it |
| 20:17.45 | captain_proton | cvs diff -u |
| 20:17.51 | Chestal | and the gameArea array uses it |
| 20:17.56 | bzdoug_ | captain_proton: kewl |
| 20:18.00 | Chestal | don't know what happens |
| 20:18.09 | Chestal | I'd guess it would work kindof but not correctly |
| 20:19.22 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:19.25 | Chestal | jzaun: can it scale radar? |
| 20:19.27 | jzaun | captain_proton: have you looked at the transparent HUD, meet your approval |
| 20:19.30 | bzdoug_ | I used e6 server |
| 20:19.36 | captain_proton | jzaun: haven't looked yet |
| 20:19.41 | bzdoug_ | let me make it with CVS server |
| 20:19.47 | jzaun | Chestal: What ya mean, scale radar? |
| 20:20.15 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: if you want the patch to be accepted, you'll likely have to have it work by using the (already coded) world element in the map file |
| 20:20.28 | Chestal | jzaun: well, it would be nice to allow different radar sizes; right now the user cannot adjust it, but it's only 1 line of source code to change it; I'd thoight of allowing the user to select his preferred size |
| 20:20.30 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:20.31 | captain_proton | just gotta hook it up between world file and what the server sends |
| 20:20.36 | bzdoug_ | not hard coded into the proggy? |
| 20:20.42 | captain_proton | right |
| 20:20.44 | bzdoug_ | yea, but I dont know how to do it |
| 20:20.46 | Chestal | and fix the client |
| 20:20.52 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: fix? |
| 20:20.55 | Chestal | the client is not really ready for other world sizes |
| 20:21.03 | captain_proton | Chestal: i've seen it work before :P |
| 20:21.06 | jzaun | Chestal, no it doesn't.. it would be hard to make it all fit properly with it scales differently |
| 20:21.16 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: client works, exept the ground gets sorta streatched |
| 20:21.16 | Chestal | captain_proton: look at playing.cxx, search for WorldSize |
| 20:21.31 | captain_proton | Chestal: thats all well and good, but i've SEEN it work |
| 20:21.33 | Chestal | jzaun: hmm, I guess I'd have to try it |
| 20:21.42 | Chestal | proton: yes, but some details were wrong for sure |
| 20:21.46 | Chestal | proton: e.g. respawen positions |
| 20:21.48 | captain_proton | not that i could see |
| 20:21.49 | jzaun | Chestal: so far people have liked it :-) |
| 20:22.45 | bzdoug_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.13 | captain_proton | bzdoug_: no |
| 20:23.16 | Chestal | so to really fix it, one would have to check all occurences of WorldSize and see whetehr they must be changed to use the world value |
| 20:23.58 | bzdoug_ | so tell me, how would one go about hooking up worldsize and the thingy in the map file |
| 20:26.19 | Chestal | righ tnow the server uses the constant WorldSize about 40 times |
| 20:27.18 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:27.37 | bzdoug_ | George Gershwin - Rhapsody in Blue.mp3 |
| 20:27.41 | Chestal | what exactly is flagheight? |
| 20:27.59 | bzdoug_ | dunno, I changed it, but nothin happened |
| 20:28.08 | *** join/#bzflag MrCooper (~daenzer@adsl-62-167-207-60.adslplus.ch) |
| 20:28.59 | bzdoug_ | Chestal: could you make a patch for your bot code? |
| 20:29.33 | Chestal | what patch? |
| 20:29.53 | bzdoug_ | it dont have a patch yet, but you have your bot code, dont ya? |
| 20:30.01 | bzdoug_ | your bot thingy |
| 20:30.02 | bzdoug_ | ~thingy |
| 20:30.03 | Chestal | not really |
| 20:30.07 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:30.18 | Chestal | it's too much effort to adjust it to the current version |
| 20:30.25 | bzdoug_ | o |
| 20:30.30 | bzdoug_ | ok then |
| 20:31.12 | bzdoug_ | I have the bot code here... if I want to make a patch with a clean e2 source, how would I do that? |
| 20:31.25 | captain_proton | e2?! |
| 20:31.29 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 20:31.36 | bzdoug_ | thats what it currently works with |
| 20:31.43 | bzdoug_ | havent try anything newer |
| 20:32.09 | Chestal | proton: no idea what flagheight is either? |
| 20:32.37 | captain_proton | Chestal: i have absolutely no clue - but its not hooked up either |
| 20:33.39 | bzdoug_ | kewl |
| 20:33.42 | bzdoug_ | I just made a patch |
| 20:39.41 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 20:39.42 | bzdoug_ | it see the patch, but it never makes a file |
| 20:39.49 | bzdoug_ | how do I make it make a file? |
| 20:42.20 | Nidhoggr | what platform? |
| 20:42.23 | bzdoug_ | windows |
| 20:42.25 | Nidhoggr | ah |
| 20:42.38 | bzdoug_ | I got cvs and patch and diff |
| 20:42.46 | bzdoug_ | well |
| 20:42.48 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:42.52 | bzdoug_ | tell me how you would do it in linux |
| 20:42.56 | Nidhoggr | maeke |
| 20:42.57 | bzdoug_ | and I will do it here |
| 20:42.58 | Nidhoggr | make |
| 20:43.08 | bzdoug_ | no makey here |
| 20:43.09 | Nidhoggr | is it command line? |
| 20:43.19 | bzdoug_ | cvs diff and patch are |
| 20:43.34 | Secret_Hamster | Chestal: sorry to interuppt. But your mrtg statistics. They seem a too little asymmetric. Surely they should be pretty equal? infact more in than our |
| 20:43.40 | Secret_Hamster | s/our/out |
| 20:44.04 | Nidhoggr | you already apply patch? |
| 20:44.37 | bzdoug_ | well, I allready edited the source, and now I want to make a patch |
| 20:44.42 | Chestal | Secret: in these stats "in" means "to the router", so it's what ducati is sending |
| 20:44.52 | Chestal | Secret: a server will send much more than it receives |
| 20:45.08 | Chestal | Secret: about playercount-1 times or so |
| 20:45.33 | Secret_Hamster | not on my server, it's pretty symmetrical |
| 20:46.13 | Chestal | it shouldn't |
| 20:46.19 | Secret_Hamster | sorry I lie, I'm looking at the worng graphs |
| 20:46.23 | Chestal | with 2 players maybe |
| 20:47.43 | Secret_Hamster | did that again for getting the first smack wrong |
| 20:47.52 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:49.59 | Secret_Hamster | dman I need more bandwidth |
| 20:50.12 | Secret_Hamster | actually I need a job |
| 20:50.19 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 20:50.19 | bzdoug_ | a brain? |
| 20:50.35 | Secret_Hamster | nah got one of those. never helped before |
| 20:50.43 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 20:50.45 | Nidhoggr | I'm opening up colo company in the next few weeks. hate my current job, making a new job. |
| 20:50.45 | Secret_Hamster | just seems to get me in trouble |
| 20:50.57 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:51.07 | Nidhoggr | waiting for OC12 |
| 20:51.18 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 20:51.23 | Secret_Hamster | Nidhoggr: nice to know theres still a market for that kinda thing somewhere in the world |
| 20:51.24 | Nidhoggr | brb coffee |
| 20:51.39 | Nidhoggr | hamster... doing economy hosting. |
| 20:51.54 | Nidhoggr | 1RU and 300GB xfer/mo for $99 |
| 20:51.54 | Secret_Hamster | All we actually need to do is get rid of this stupid IP thing and start using more sensible protocols like ATM |
| 20:52.09 | bzdoug_ | could someone check out http://heckaman.bzflag.org/larger_world.diff and see if its correct? |
| 20:52.31 | bzdoug_ | Secret_Hamster: heh |
| 20:52.40 | bzdoug_ | Secret_Hamster: or better yet, use telepathy |
| 20:52.41 | Secret_Hamster | then we could use bandwidth far more sensibly. multicast for everyone |
| 20:52.50 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 20:53.18 | Secret_Hamster | ATm was too ahead of it's time for the accountants to go for it |
| 20:53.39 | Secret_Hamster | now we are paying the price |
| 20:54.34 | Secret_Hamster | boy would I love an ATM pipe into my home |
| 20:54.53 | Secret_Hamster | even got a 0c3 card in my drawer |
| 20:54.57 | *** join/#bzflag victorvdl (~victorvdl@ip75.100-173-207.eli-du.nwlink.com) |
| 20:55.21 | bzdoug_ | boy would I love to have a 10 inch fiber optic link with over 500 mbs of bandwidth |
| 20:56.02 | victorvdl | bzdoug_: Yea, that's when you have a problem with the other comp being slow... |
| 20:56.08 | Secret_Hamster | 10 inch fibre optic? |
| 20:56.11 | bzdoug_ | sure |
| 20:56.21 | Secret_Hamster | thickness? |
| 20:56.41 | bzdoug_ | why not, it would be pretty darn expensive, and I would have more bandwidth than the ISP |
| 20:56.56 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 20:57.04 | bzdoug_ | boy would I love to have a 10 inch fiber optic link bundle with over 500 mbs of bandwidth |
| 20:57.08 | bzdoug_ | better now? |
| 20:57.15 | Secret_Hamster | ahh that's better |
| 20:57.18 | bzdoug_ | did someone check out my patch? |
| 20:57.24 | bzdoug_ | to see if its real? |
| 20:57.29 | [TeA|TrEE] | ~ducatictf |
| 20:57.41 | Secret_Hamster | jesus christ. You'd never be able to put the equipment on the end of it |
| 20:57.47 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 20:57.56 | Secret_Hamster | It'd fill a big comms room |
| 20:58.02 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 20:58.04 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 20:58.07 | Secret_Hamster | I know I used to do that sort of thing |
| 20:58.14 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 20:58.33 | bzdoug_ | http://heckaman.bzflag.org/larger_world.diff |
| 20:58.40 | Secret_Hamster | your little electricty meter would be spinning like crazy |
| 20:58.42 | bzdoug_ | is that patch a true patch? |
| 20:58.45 | jzaun | bzdoug_: post it to SF |
| 20:58.54 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: I want to make sure first |
| 20:58.59 | bzdoug_ | before I upload it |
| 20:59.17 | jzaun | It is a valid patch... not sure if its the proper way to do it |
| 20:59.24 | bzdoug_ | Secret_Hamster: boy I would love to have my own powerplant |
| 20:59.31 | bzdoug_ | ? |
| 21:00.00 | Secret_Hamster | huh, why not wish for owning M$ while your at it |
| 21:00.09 | jzaun | bzdoug_: it a valid patch. But is it the proper way to make the world bigger |
| 21:00.30 | Secret_Hamster | Have you any idea how much it costs to equip a comms centre |
| 21:00.31 | [TeA|TrEE] | heckamangroup.com |
| 21:00.44 | bzdoug_ | boy would I love to own everything in the galaxy and have star ships and things |
| 21:01.01 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: ? |
| 21:01.14 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: no, thats hte proper why |
| 21:01.14 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:01.22 | Secret_Hamster | i'd settle for a nights fumble with Princess Leia myself |
| 21:01.25 | jzaun | bzdoug_: Thas just hardcoding it bigger |
| 21:01.33 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:01.36 | bzdoug_ | so what? |
| 21:01.37 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 21:01.37 | jzaun | bzdoug_: its not keying the size from the world file |
| 21:01.40 | [TeA|TrEE] | tad remember [-=BiL=-] |
| 21:01.44 | [TeA|TrEE] | lol |
| 21:01.45 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:01.52 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea |
| 21:02.05 | [TeA|TrEE] | i wanna have that map back from m0nkey |
| 21:02.09 | [TeA|TrEE] | thats so crazy |
| 21:02.10 | [TeA|TrEE] | ;) |
| 21:02.16 | [TeA|TrEE] | with st in that town lo |
| 21:02.21 | jzaun | bzdoug_: you should make it key from the world file, that way you can make a map thats any size |
| 21:02.23 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:02.31 | jzaun | smaller bigger |
| 21:02.47 | jzaun | I would like to see some 1 on 1 maps :-) |
| 21:02.53 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: yea, but a) I dony know how to do it |
| 21:03.11 | jzaun | bzdoug_: just got to learn the code :-) I did for my patch |
| 21:03.16 | bzdoug_ | b) captain_proton insists on only putting it in the next incapable release |
| 21:03.28 | bzdoug_ | c) learn how to CODE?!?! |
| 21:03.43 | bzdoug_ | d) that would be like... work! |
| 21:03.56 | bzdoug_ | e) thats all I have to put on this list |
| 21:04.01 | jzaun | bzdoug_: well if its a proper patch I'll apply it, but just changing a hard-code wont make it proper |
| 21:04.09 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:04.11 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:04.27 | bzdoug_ | but if someone would show me how to hook it all up together.... |
| 21:04.38 | bzdoug_ | then I would know next time it would be requiered |
| 21:05.33 | bzdoug_ | I got this message: http://heckaman.bzflag.org/ad.JPG |
| 21:06.25 | Secret_Hamster | you really got that message! |
| 21:06.33 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 21:06.50 | bzdoug_ | laughed my head off |
| 21:07.12 | Secret_Hamster | hum think a) you need to up your security. b) kill that bloke who's making millions from spamming |
| 21:07.31 | bzdoug_ | I dont want to up my security, cuz I like the spam |
| 21:07.40 | Secret_Hamster | your wierd |
| 21:07.43 | bzdoug_ | :P |
| 21:07.45 | Patlabor221 | just block 3 ports |
| 21:07.54 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || Happy New Year!!! (bzdoug_) || <bzdoug_> I dont want to up my security, cuz I |
| 21:08.05 | Secret_Hamster | qlol |
| 21:08.07 | bzdoug_ | Patlabor221: or I could just turn messanger service off |
| 21:08.12 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || <bzdoug_> I dont want to up my security, cuz I like the spam |
| 21:08.13 | bzdoug_ | ~topic restore 1 |
| 21:08.13 | *** topic/#bzflag by ibot -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || Happy New Year!!! (bzdoug_) |
| 21:08.24 | bzdoug_ | :) |
| 21:08.28 | *** mode/#bzflag [+t] by BZFlag |
| 21:08.32 | Patlabor221 | some apps use mesanger service |
| 21:08.35 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || |
| 21:08.36 | bzdoug_ | like? |
| 21:08.42 | Patlabor221 | doug don't mess with the man |
| 21:08.47 | bzdoug_ | I dint |
| 21:08.48 | Patlabor221 | norton |
| 21:08.54 | bzdoug_ | nortan? |
| 21:08.58 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 21:09.00 | *** topic/#bzflag by BZFlag -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || <bzdoug_> I dont want to up my security, cuz I like the spam |
| 21:09.02 | bzdoug_ | what does IT use it for? |
| 21:09.12 | bzdoug_ | ~insult the topic |
| 21:09.14 | Secret_Hamster | bzdoug_: apparently it'll bypass that. |
| 21:09.17 | Patlabor221 | to send messages to the user |
| 21:09.26 | bzdoug_ | oh |
| 21:09.32 | bzdoug_ | I dont use nortan |
| 21:09.49 | bzdoug_ | ow, hit the wrong button there |
| 21:10.02 | *** join/#bzflag Patlabor221 (~Patlabor2@planetg.virtualgibbs.com) |
| 21:10.06 | bzdoug_ | boss must of been coming round |
| 21:10.09 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 21:10.19 | Patlabor221 | no just needed to switch clients |
| 21:10.23 | bzdoug_ | ah |
| 21:10.26 | Secret_Hamster | The guy whos most likely sent that, has been bragging for months about this new way of spamming people. Directly to there desktop |
| 21:10.37 | bzdoug_ | hehe |
| 21:10.49 | Patlabor221 | it dosn't work behind nats tho |
| 21:11.00 | Patlabor221 | only on DMZ macines and diecet connects |
| 21:11.01 | Secret_Hamster | I think it uses the internal "net send" system |
| 21:11.04 | bzdoug_ | that was rather old, and the INSTANT it was mentioned on slashdot, I got more spam in a mounth than I ever got in a year |
| 21:11.19 | Patlabor221 | it does |
| 21:11.43 | Secret_Hamster | so unless you unload networking or put a firewall in place you can't stop it |
| 21:11.52 | bzdoug_ | I am DMZ |
| 21:11.55 | bzdoug_ | cant help it :) |
| 21:11.55 | Secret_Hamster | well in the way |
| 21:12.44 | Secret_Hamster | i laughed when the guy got made because everyone was signing him up for junk mail. Apparently he was getting tons of it a week |
| 21:12.52 | Secret_Hamster | s/made/mad |
| 21:13.07 | bzdoug_ | haha |
| 21:14.09 | Secret_Hamster | People like that are don't deserve to die. They should be tortured for life |
| 21:14.21 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:14.55 | Secret_Hamster | forced to constantly watch reality TV shows and Pop Idol programs |
| 21:15.06 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 21:15.16 | bzdoug_ | pure torture |
| 21:15.43 | Secret_Hamster | They should also receive Readers Digest confimation of getting to the next round letters every 5 mins |
| 21:15.59 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:16.35 | Secret_Hamster | I can think of a million evil ways to torture people |
| 21:16.47 | bzdoug_ | oh? |
| 21:17.10 | Secret_Hamster | I'm wondering whether he should be forced to listen to Whitney Houston 24/7 or not |
| 21:17.21 | bzdoug_ | whos dat? |
| 21:17.39 | jzaun | Supper glue and exacto blade to the underside of a car handle..... hurts real bad when someone goes to open it :-) |
| 21:17.48 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: ow |
| 21:17.54 | bzdoug_ | jzaun: that happen to ya? |
| 21:18.02 | jzaun | bzdoug_: unfortunatly |
| 21:18.04 | Secret_Hamster | You know "The Body Guard" "I will always love you" "I wanna dance with somebody" |
| 21:18.07 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 21:19.01 | Secret_Hamster | Another alternative is to be able to watch nothing but "Robin Hood, Prince of thieves", again 24/7 |
| 21:19.31 | bzdoug_ | ugh |
| 21:19.37 | bzdoug_ | or both |
| 21:19.44 | Secret_Hamster | Or the "honey I shrunk the ....." |
| 21:19.51 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:20.18 | Patlabor221 | or just make them listen to you 2 banter. |
| 21:20.36 | bzdoug_ | ugh!!! |
| 21:20.37 | Secret_Hamster | Or he could be forced to sit in a small room with 4 trekkies and discuss Star Wars vs Star Trek |
| 21:20.49 | Secret_Hamster | Patlabor221: hey I do have some compassion |
| 21:20.49 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:22.55 | Secret_Hamster | anyway I'm off to have fun |
| 21:23.21 | Secret_Hamster | don't know where, don't know when, but hopefully I'll never meet you lot again |
| 21:23.29 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 21:23.36 | Patlabor221 | I don't use missles |
| 21:23.44 | Secret_Hamster | see you around boyos |
| 21:23.49 | bzdoug_ | cya |
| 21:23.57 | Patlabor221 | PPCs |
| 21:24.22 | bzdoug_ | PPCs? |
| 21:24.46 | Patlabor221 | and gravaton beam cannons |
| 21:25.00 | Patlabor221 | missles and lazers are nothing to a distortion field |
| 21:25.13 | bzdoug_ | whats what a grazer is |
| 21:25.19 | Patlabor221 | doubt it would be thru |
| 21:25.29 | Patlabor221 | unless it can cross dimensions |
| 21:26.22 | corndawg | lazers i never much cared for |
| 21:26.37 | corndawg | considering i always manage to shoot myself with it |
| 21:27.20 | Patlabor221 | are you done yet? |
| 21:27.39 | bzdoug_ | you surrender? |
| 21:27.48 | Patlabor221 | no why should I |
| 21:28.03 | bzdoug_ | cuz I have you surrouded |
| 21:28.19 | Patlabor221 | since we are in a vacume the PT engine is at 105% so I have no wories |
| 21:28.54 | Patlabor221 | to where? |
| 21:29.18 | bzdoug_ | at you |
| 21:29.32 | Patlabor221 | and where is that? |
| 21:30.07 | bzdoug_ | infront of me |
| 21:30.14 | Patlabor221 | no I jumped |
| 21:30.38 | bzdoug_ | eh? |
| 21:30.42 | bzdoug_ | running away from me? |
| 21:30.54 | Patlabor221 | you'll just ahve to figure it out |
| 21:31.50 | Patlabor221 | ohh taking the long way then |
| 21:31.52 | bzdoug_ | hard on the alpha nodes, but I dont have any choice |
| 21:31.57 | Patlabor221 | see you in about 1500 years |
| 21:32.34 | Patlabor221 | where am I? |
| 21:32.46 | Patlabor221 | or specificly when? |
| 21:32.56 | bzdoug_ | dont matter |
| 21:32.56 | Patlabor221 | bosun jumps move in time too |
| 21:33.11 | bzdoug_ | so? you dodging me now eh? |
| 21:33.24 | Patlabor221 | no, check your left engine comparment |
| 21:33.47 | Patlabor221 | well one of them just exploded |
| 21:34.21 | bzdoug_ | impossible, each ring has 16 beta nodes, and 8 alpha nodes, each one is seperate rooms |
| 21:34.33 | Patlabor221 | and each one had a bomb |
| 21:34.39 | bzdoug_ | uh huh |
| 21:34.53 | Patlabor221 | jumped them in |
| 21:34.59 | Patlabor221 | leap cannon |
| 21:36.42 | Patlabor221 | wont matter when the atoms of your ship lose there covalent bonds |
| 21:36.56 | bzdoug_ | impeller wedges are impossible to go through |
| 21:36.59 | Patlabor221 | ohh marines, they are sqishy |
| 21:37.24 | Patlabor221 | sure they are, they only exist in this 3 space plane, just go around them |
| 21:38.06 | Patlabor221 | I don't have one |
| 21:38.23 | bzdoug_ | you dont know, you are turned into goo |
| 21:38.39 | Patlabor221 | no I know I don't have one, don't need one |
| 21:38.56 | Patlabor221 | the in side of the ship is in another dimension |
| 21:39.21 | Patlabor221 | just it's aperant entry point is projected into this dimension |
| 21:40.39 | Patlabor221 | nice things about dimensional projections is that there are a LOT of dimiensions |
| 21:41.00 | Patlabor221 | onto what? |
| 21:41.04 | bzdoug_ | cant shake me off now, I am glued to your hull |
| 21:41.16 | Patlabor221 | gravementic waves can't atach to a projection |
| 21:41.29 | bzdoug_ | thats your problem |
| 21:41.39 | Patlabor221 | acutlay it's yours |
| 21:41.47 | *** join/#bzflag Nicholas (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E95C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:41.55 | Patlabor221 | I don't think your shielded for interdemensional travel |
| 21:42.05 | Patlabor221 | has a tencency to drive crew crazy |
| 21:42.12 | Patlabor221 | or make them explode |
| 21:42.38 | bzdoug_ | bummer |
| 21:42.45 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 21:42.47 | [TeA] | ~ducati |
| 21:43.29 | Patlabor221 | you blew up your universe remember |
| 21:44.39 | bzdoug_ | only the nearest solor system |
| 21:45.02 | Patlabor221 | then what will you do when the shockwave hits your system |
| 21:45.30 | bzdoug_ | it wont, we have a anti-doomsday shield |
| 21:45.44 | Patlabor221 | on the entire system |
| 21:45.50 | bzdoug_ | yup |
| 21:46.38 | Patlabor221 | must take a fair amount of power |
| 21:46.42 | bzdoug_ | nah |
| 21:46.54 | bzdoug_ | only equals what a ship can put out |
| 21:47.11 | bzdoug_ | of corse each ship carries a blackhole... |
| 21:47.32 | Patlabor221 | ohh looks like you got a whynakker |
| 21:47.48 | bzdoug_ | a what? |
| 21:48.06 | Patlabor221 | anchent spirit of chaos that lives in suns |
| 21:48.16 | bzdoug_ | ahh |
| 21:48.24 | bzdoug_ | no, we just use the gravity |
| 21:48.45 | Patlabor221 | wont' be much of a sun left when he's done with then |
| 21:49.52 | bzdoug_ | aha! you cant go anywhere now! |
| 21:49.55 | *** join/#bzflag Ruudi (Sacha@80-235-71-47-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 21:51.08 | Patlabor221 | I'm not in your dimension skipp |
| 21:51.19 | Patlabor221 | I'm making tea |
| 21:51.25 | bzdoug_ | so what? the bubble covers al demensions |
| 21:51.38 | corndawg | hum... bzflag needs a gatling gun flag :) |
| 21:52.14 | BZFlag | what? machine gun not good enough? ;-) |
| 21:52.36 | corndawg | machine gun doesnt reach that far |
| 21:52.52 | Patlabor221 | just play on one of the 100 shot servers |
| 21:52.55 | bzdoug_ | corndawg: so a slower shooting, but farther gun? |
| 21:52.58 | Patlabor221 | that should be the same |
| 21:53.08 | corndawg | yep BZFlag :) |
| 21:53.33 | Patlabor221 | is that not rapid fire? |
| 21:55.04 | bzdoug_ | you started it |
| 21:55.11 | Patlabor221 | no you did |
| 21:55.18 | bzdoug_ | with your multidemisnal thingy bobs |
| 21:55.35 | *** join/#bzflag snyke (~snyke@eros.bingo-ev.de) |
| 21:55.42 | Patlabor221 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.51 | Patlabor221 | it's in my car |
| 21:55.53 | bzdoug_ | mission accomplised |
| 21:56.15 | bzdoug_ | I took your whole car along with the house dog cat and trashcans |
| 21:56.36 | Patlabor221 | 1 ) have no dog or trash cans, and 2) my car is not at home |
| 21:57.11 | bzdoug_ | 3) it helps that I took the whole city too |
| 21:57.46 | bzdoug_ | ~42 |
| 21:57.47 | | from memory, 42 is the answer or the answer to life, the universe, and everything |
| 22:10.48 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 22:14.10 | *** join/#bzflag bzgirl (~brat@24.156.129.90) |
| 22:27.10 | *** join/#bzflag [TeA] (~[TeA|Zee]@pD9E95C4D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:49.39 | *** join/#bzflag ZiGGY (Q@pool-141-156-218-182.res.east.verizon.net) |
| 22:50.39 | ZiGGY | I'm looking for bot code in perl/C |
| 22:51.04 | ZiGGY | someone sent me to "Chestal" |
| 22:51.16 | Patlabor221 | pearl no |
| 22:51.24 | ZiGGY | C? |
| 22:51.34 | Patlabor221 | there is some bot stuff int the base project |
| 22:51.36 | Patlabor221 | c++ |
| 22:51.47 | Patlabor221 | I think Ihave chelstals bot somehwere round there |
| 22:51.58 | *** join/#bzflag b00stA (~foo@pD958DB95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:53.23 | captain_proton | mmmm |
| 22:53.27 | captain_proton | this is a good sandwich |
| 22:53.59 | Patlabor221 | ahh there it is |
| 22:54.05 | Patlabor221 | based on 1.7e2 tho |
| 22:54.25 | ZiGGY | will it work? |
| 22:54.35 | *** join/#bzflag Cell (~alton@p50802D0D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:54.37 | Patlabor221 | http://www.artmemisgames.com/bzbot-e2.zip |
| 22:54.39 | Cell | lo |
| 22:54.40 | Patlabor221 | I dono |
| 22:54.45 | Patlabor221 | I didn't ever test it |
| 22:54.59 | Patlabor221 | just built it and merged it for someone |
| 22:55.11 | Patlabor221 | if I recall the bots are very stupid. |
| 22:55.20 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: any day now i get access to the viz lab |
| 22:55.20 | captain_proton | =) |
| 22:55.31 | Cell | i have bought a router today and geforce4 Ti 4200 :) |
| 22:55.38 | Patlabor221 | then you will become the lawnmowerman |
| 22:56.08 | Patlabor221 | blew your x-mas wad cell? |
| 22:56.16 | Cell | yep |
| 22:56.20 | ZiGGY | got it thanks |
| 22:56.41 | ZiGGY | I just want some bot code to base a bot off of |
| 22:56.42 | captain_proton | chestal's bots are pretty smart but only really work on 2-shot no-jumping |
| 22:56.57 | captain_proton | the built-in bots are dumb |
| 22:57.10 | Cell | i try to use the router to get 3 pc online via a dsl connection but it does not work, and i dont understand it all, do i need NAT? |
| 22:57.13 | Patlabor221 | well I dont even know if the merge I did worked, I just made it compile |
| 22:57.18 | ZiGGY | what are the built-in bots |
| 22:57.23 | Patlabor221 | the router is a NAT |
| 22:57.25 | captain_proton | ZiGGY: try bzflag -solo 1 |
| 22:57.29 | Patlabor221 | cell did you just get a hub? |
| 22:57.36 | captain_proton | Cell: yes you need NAT |
| 22:57.45 | Cell | i used a hub earlier |
| 22:57.54 | Patlabor221 | the NAT shares the connection |
| 22:58.00 | Cell | the router can be configured via webbrowser |
| 22:58.32 | Patlabor221 | then put the DSL on the WAN side, your PCs on the LAN side, and tell the router how to connecet to your DSL provider |
| 22:58.58 | Cell | yes thats the prob i dont jnow if the router could do that |
| 22:59.12 | Patlabor221 | if it's a DSL router with NAT it should |
| 22:59.16 | Patlabor221 | that's all they realy do |
| 22:59.21 | Patlabor221 | what make/model did you get? |
| 22:59.26 | Cell | does the router dial in? |
| 22:59.36 | captain_proton | ...dial? |
| 22:59.36 | Patlabor221 | DSL's don't "dial" |
| 22:59.43 | Patlabor221 | DSL is allways on |
| 22:59.59 | Patlabor221 | you must be PPPEOE |
| 23:00.13 | Patlabor221 | most routers will do that too |
| 23:00.29 | captain_proton | there's only one E |
| 23:00.31 | captain_proton | PPPOE |
| 23:00.37 | Patlabor221 | what ever |
| 23:00.39 | Cell | Internet Broadband Router form Jransbridge |
| 23:01.03 | Patlabor221 | do you normaly have to run software on your PC that "logs into" the internet over your DSL? |
| 23:01.44 | Cell | i have a Dial up connection that i use |
| 23:01.53 | Patlabor221 | in XP? |
| 23:01.59 | Cell | in win2000 |
| 23:02.07 | Patlabor221 | it's proalby PPPOE |
| 23:02.20 | Patlabor221 | set the router to PPPOE and give it your username and password |
| 23:02.28 | Patlabor221 | then set your PC to DHCP |
| 23:02.32 | Cell | i did |
| 23:02.38 | Patlabor221 | the router will connect to the ISP |
| 23:02.44 | Patlabor221 | did the router connect? |
| 23:02.49 | Cell | the result was i was locked by the isp |
| 23:03.07 | Patlabor221 | you sure you put the right username and password in there? |
| 23:03.16 | Cell | because if you type the password 8 times wrong it locks you until next day |
| 23:03.25 | Patlabor221 | wow your ISP sucks |
| 23:03.59 | Cell | so im really afraid to do experiments, cause than i could be online next day |
| 23:04.11 | Cell | 24 without internet :( |
| 23:04.58 | Patlabor221 | soulds like you need to get it right the first time then |
| 23:05.11 | Cell | yes i should |
| 23:05.53 | Cell | wow the geforce4 gives me 1300 fps on directX bump earth example |
| 23:06.38 | Cell | on mx i got 1fps using the reference driver |
| 23:07.03 | Cell | what a improvement when using hardware, unbelievable |
| 23:08.36 | Cell | Patlabor221: do you know how i can get the primitives coun that can be put into an array it was sizeof(WORD) with gf2 mx 400 |
| 23:08.50 | Patlabor221 | what? |
| 23:09.16 | Cell | the number of tris you could index in an array |
| 23:09.18 | Patlabor221 | the MX does hardware xforms and lighting as well |
| 23:09.33 | Patlabor221 | in GL or DX? |
| 23:09.49 | Cell | hm, its the same for both i thought? |
| 23:09.57 | Patlabor221 | depends on API implementaions |
| 23:10.05 | Patlabor221 | there should be a glGet() for it |
| 23:10.10 | Patlabor221 | or a DX cap bits |
| 23:10.17 | captain_proton | WORD...thats 32 bits on a modern machine, right? |
| 23:10.18 | captain_proton | :) |
| 23:10.31 | Patlabor221 | in windows it's a short |
| 23:10.33 | Patlabor221 | 16 |
| 23:10.40 | Patlabor221 | DWORD is 32 |
| 23:10.41 | Cell | i lloked for it with the dx caps viewer tool but did not find it actually |
| 23:10.43 | Patlabor221 | never use them |
| 23:11.07 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: isn't it amusing how the windows XP API looks like it was designed around a 16-bit machine? |
| 23:11.18 | corndawg | lol |
| 23:11.26 | Patlabor221 | the clasic windows API was designed around a 16 mit machine |
| 23:11.36 | Patlabor221 | they didn't change it for XP just added stuff |
| 23:11.48 | Patlabor221 | the newer APIs don't take WORDS and stuff anymore |
| 23:11.50 | Patlabor221 | it's all int |
| 23:12.01 | corndawg | i still remember winblowsME... god what a waste |
| 23:12.01 | Cell | i thought winnt was completly new technologie |
| 23:12.26 | Patlabor221 | all 9x kernals were a waste |
| 23:12.36 | Cell | and winxp seems to be a winnnt derivate |
| 23:12.38 | Patlabor221 | cell, no if it was, then no old apps would run |
| 23:12.52 | Patlabor221 | it still uses the win32 api |
| 23:12.53 | corndawg | actually.. i sorta liked win98 |
| 23:13.05 | corndawg | till i went linux :) |
| 23:13.05 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: they could have changed the API without breaking binary compatibility |
| 23:13.17 | Patlabor221 | they could have, but they didn't |
| 23:13.34 | Patlabor221 | they are replacing them |
| 23:14.37 | Patlabor221 | tho with the uses of soo many platform libs, noone realy calls any low level win 32 API calls direclty anymore |
| 23:14.56 | [TeA] | ~ducati |
| 23:15.00 | [TeA] | ~ducatictf |
| 23:15.46 | Cell | win32 is a subsystem in winnnt that runs in user modusand communicates with the winnt executive micro-kernel |
| 23:16.00 | Patlabor221 | win 32 is an API |
| 23:16.05 | Patlabor221 | don't go by DLL names |
| 23:16.20 | Patlabor221 | the system handles that in the back ground |
| 23:16.23 | Patlabor221 | and it changes per OS |
| 23:16.29 | Patlabor221 | the win32 API is allways constant |
| 23:16.39 | Patlabor221 | and the other APIs that are on top of it |
| 23:17.09 | Patlabor221 | win32.dll is just the name of a file, it dosn't have all the API in it |
| 23:17.22 | Cell | k |
| 23:17.53 | Patlabor221 | the API calls the systems current driver kernal depending on what OS you are running, 2k and XP have a difrent driver kernel then NT did |
| 23:18.01 | Patlabor221 | and 98 had it's own bastard one |
| 23:18.24 | Cell | lol |
| 23:18.40 | Patlabor221 | there are multiple levels of ablstraction |
| 23:19.08 | Patlabor221 | if you go lower then the public API you run the risk of your stuff geting busted in a future release of windows |
| 23:20.10 | Patlabor221 | I don't have one of those |
| 23:20.18 | Patlabor221 | it's an imporbability drive |
| 23:20.29 | Patlabor221 | it's ok, the plannet is now made of jam |
| 23:20.37 | *** topic/#bzflag by captain_proton -> 1.7g0 "Holy Dancing Monkeys" released! Buy now and get two for the price of one! http://BZFlag.org/ || Updated BZEdit Windows http://www.artemisgames.com/bzedit || bzedit 2.1! http://jupiter.babylonia.flatirons.org/older/code/tarballs/ || http://stats.bzflag.org/ || http://www.chesco.com/~dbrosius/BZFlag/BZFlag.html || * MrApathyCream 15 workiNG On 50ME+H1nG bz-l33T || <Patlabor221> it's an imporbability drive |
| 23:20.45 | captain_proton | thats a wonderful speeling |
| 23:20.48 | bzdoug_ | [17:01] * Patlabor221 flips on the infinate improbiblity generator |
| 23:21.02 | Patlabor221 | well the drive is on, you can't expect everything to be normal |
| 23:21.17 | Patlabor221 | it's the very nature of the beast |
| 23:21.38 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 23:21.40 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfs |
| 23:21.41 | | it has been said that bzfs is using select() to determine when outgoing pipes are writeable. |
| 23:21.48 | Patlabor221 | I'm very happy that you are amused with that |
| 23:21.55 | bzdoug_ | am I? |
| 23:21.59 | Patlabor221 | so it seems |
| 23:22.03 | bzdoug_ | I see |
| 23:22.29 | [TeA] | lalalallalalalalla |
| 23:22.33 | captain_proton | you're a ro-bot, aren't you? |
| 23:22.57 | bzdoug_ | who? |
| 23:23.14 | Patlabor221 | ha pine will crash if it's sent a "carefully crafted e-mail" |
| 23:23.24 | captain_proton | anyone who doesn |
| 23:23.31 | captain_proton | t recognize that quotation gets on the list |
| 23:25.33 | bzdoug_ | BOBOT! |
| 23:25.56 | *** part/#bzflag b00stA (~foo@pD958DB95.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:25.59 | Patlabor221 | umm no |
| 23:27.00 | bzdoug_ | ~jzaun |
| 23:27.01 | | bzfquerylong jzaun.com 5155 |
| 23:27.05 | captain_proton | are you sure your chair is screwed down? |
| 23:27.13 | captain_proton | with long long screws that go deeeep into the ground? |
| 23:27.16 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquerylong jzaun.com:5155 |
| 23:27.30 | bzdoug_ | come on.... |
| 23:28.08 | Patlabor221 | you push the elevator buttons a lot thinking it will make the car get there faster don't you? |
| 23:28.20 | bzdoug_ | ~bzfquery jzaun.com:5155 |
| 23:28.31 | bzdoug_ | no |
| 23:29.11 | bzdoug_ | but If I leave an elevator, I hit all the buttons frist |
| 23:29.14 | bzdoug_ | first |
| 23:29.29 | Patlabor221 | ahhh so impatent and imature, at the same time even. |
| 23:30.31 | Patlabor221 | dougs future job application---> http://www.inktank.com/picture.cfm?pic=odd/losers.jpg |
| 23:31.43 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:31.43 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: he's overqualified for that position |
| 23:31.57 | Patlabor221 | true |
| 23:32.06 | Nidhoggr | worst thing about being at work: no bzflag :) |
| 23:32.08 | Patlabor221 | perhaps del-taco |
| 23:32.30 | Patlabor221 | I hear they pay $6.00 there |
| 23:33.29 | bzdoug_ | wow |
| 23:33.37 | bzdoug_ | I see, oh about 30 bzflags |
| 23:34.08 | Nidhoggr | bzdoug... If I go looking for new vid card for my mac, is there anything I should avoid? |
| 23:34.41 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:34.42 | bzdoug_ | dunno |
| 23:34.51 | bzdoug_ | make sure the card works on OS X |
| 23:34.58 | Nidhoggr | I wanna find something not too horribly expensive. |
| 23:35.02 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:35.05 | Patlabor221 | arent there only like 3 cards that even work on the mac? |
| 23:35.14 | Patlabor221 | what's in it now? |
| 23:35.20 | bzdoug_ | dunno, I dont know if all regular cards work in macs |
| 23:35.22 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: all the modern nvidia cards work in mac |
| 23:35.23 | Nidhoggr | since I bought the radeon 9700 for my PC, I don't have the cash for big card. |
| 23:35.31 | Nidhoggr | right now it's a rage pro |
| 23:35.36 | Patlabor221 | captain_proton: they need to have the mac boot rom |
| 23:35.42 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:35.52 | Patlabor221 | ohh get a GF 2 or 4 MX they are cheap |
| 23:36.08 | captain_proton | i'm so happy we're throwing out our solbournes |
| 23:36.09 | Nidhoggr | 4 MX about how much? |
| 23:36.12 | Patlabor221 | they gonna let you into the vis lab? |
| 23:36.21 | Patlabor221 | shoud be under $100 |
| 23:36.24 | Nidhoggr | w00 |
| 23:36.30 | bzdoug_ | I got a 2 mx for 40 bucks |
| 23:36.34 | bzdoug_ | and it runs bzflag fine |
| 23:36.36 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: just waiting for the email from this woman saying she'll be there so i can install the software i need and get a key |
| 23:36.37 | Nidhoggr | I am so tired of my pc crashing with bzflag |
| 23:36.49 | bzdoug_ | and it should help OS X performance too |
| 23:36.53 | Nidhoggr | wow, doug... maybe I'll go to fry's tomorrow |
| 23:36.54 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:36.57 | Nidhoggr | I am excited. |
| 23:37.17 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: and when i do get a key - its time to go in around 2am and play bzflag with mah friends ;) |
| 23:37.31 | Nidhoggr | I mean, I spend 3K on building the perfect gaming computer and the ONLY game I play crashes on it. |
| 23:37.33 | bzdoug_ | Nidhoggr: but be sure you keep the reciete |
| 23:37.40 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:37.43 | Nidhoggr | I always do |
| 23:37.47 | Patlabor221 | well you did get an ATI |
| 23:38.56 | Nidhoggr | I went out and stat'd the best of the best when I built the machine, and I had always had fairly good luck with ATI in the past. |
| 23:39.06 | Nidhoggr | I had no idea they sucked at the drivers |
| 23:39.08 | Patlabor221 | ick if you have a rage pro, you must have an early G4 or a G3 |
| 23:39.18 | Nidhoggr | g4 dual 500mhz |
| 23:39.23 | Nidhoggr | 1gb ram |
| 23:39.32 | Nidhoggr | I use it for production... vid, music, movies, etc. |
| 23:39.38 | Nidhoggr | pics |
| 23:40.02 | Patlabor221 | well they have GF MXs and raden 7000s with the mac roms |
| 23:40.03 | Nidhoggr | I prefer the monitor on my mac to my pc monitor, too. |
| 23:40.10 | Nidhoggr | 17" NEC LCD |
| 23:40.21 | Patlabor221 | too small |
| 23:40.33 | Nidhoggr | my pc monitor is 19" viewsonic |
| 23:40.43 | Nidhoggr | I prefer the NEC |
| 23:40.46 | Patlabor221 | the LDC will be crisper |
| 23:40.48 | Nidhoggr | just easier on my eyes. |
| 23:40.49 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:40.50 | Patlabor221 | but too small |
| 23:40.59 | Patlabor221 | and the viewsonics are not that good |
| 23:41.24 | Nidhoggr | I am saving up for an apple studio display. |
| 23:41.28 | Patlabor221 | I have dual dell 21" flat trinitirons |
| 23:41.51 | Nidhoggr | my 21" trinitron went to my umfriend |
| 23:42.07 | Nidhoggr | we had this huge monitor swap a year ago. |
| 23:42.20 | Nidhoggr | cuz I preferred the LCD for video editing. |
| 23:42.33 | Nidhoggr | :) |
| 23:42.55 | Nidhoggr | I don't understand why 60hz refresh works better on LCD than 75. |
| 23:43.00 | bzdoug_ | hmm |
| 23:43.02 | Nidhoggr | I guess I am not monitor smart. |
| 23:43.07 | bzdoug_ | cuz the LCD dont refresh |
| 23:43.14 | Nidhoggr | good point |
| 23:43.16 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: LCDs are slow at redrawing |
| 23:43.37 | Patlabor221 | and they only look good at there native res |
| 23:43.40 | Patlabor221 | andything lower |
| 23:43.45 | Patlabor221 | and it interpolates |
| 23:43.59 | bzdoug_ | ooh, fancy words |
| 23:44.07 | bzdoug_ | ~bzflist |
| 23:44.08 | Nidhoggr | native res on this is 1280x1024 |
| 23:44.13 | Patlabor221 | ummm no, that's a common word |
| 23:44.15 | Patlabor221 | look it up |
| 23:44.18 | bzdoug_ | yea |
| 23:44.27 | bzdoug_ | ~dict interpolate |
| 23:45.01 | Nidhoggr | I should kill dragon.org bzfs server and change it back to megadome |
| 23:45.19 | Nidhoggr | I was running ultimate urban combat on it |
| 23:45.23 | Nidhoggr | that's fun |
| 23:45.36 | bzdoug_ | heh |
| 23:45.53 | Nidhoggr | there... megadome is up |
| 23:46.11 | bzdoug_ | hmm, let me put a few bots up.... |
| 23:46.21 | Nidhoggr | I can't play though. :( |
| 23:46.27 | Nidhoggr | at work until 12:30 am |
| 23:48.45 | Nidhoggr | heh... I oper for efnet, and I spend more time on openprojects than I do there. |
| 23:48.53 | bzdoug_ | lol |
| 23:49.07 | Nidhoggr | we have a quiet server... it's new. |
| 23:49.11 | Nidhoggr | so not a lot of work. |
| 23:50.01 | Nidhoggr | I was oper and admin in 95-98, and left EFNet altogether... then friend asked me back to oper a few weeks ago. |
| 23:50.21 | Nidhoggr | he wanted "age and experience". gee thanks... butthead. :) |
| 23:51.24 | Patlabor221 | sell blood &| school office suplys |
| 23:51.47 | Nidhoggr | proton: I need new vid card, but one thing I MUST buy is a sidekick (t-mobile) |
| 23:51.58 | captain_proton | Nidhoggr: is that the same as a hiptop? |
| 23:52.09 | Patlabor221 | yes |
| 23:52.09 | Nidhoggr | I already have a blackberry and a phone... sidekick combines 2 and is cheaper. |
| 23:52.11 | Nidhoggr | nod |
| 23:52.35 | Nidhoggr | so... that's my next big purchase.... I'll get the vid card tomorrow though, I hope. |
| 23:52.50 | Nidhoggr | have to wait about a week or so for the sidekick |
| 23:53.15 | Nidhoggr | I'm fairly happy with computer stuff right now. |
| 23:53.41 | captain_proton | Patlabor221: hmm, is your company able to track down specific monitors? |
| 23:54.02 | Patlabor221 | we can try |
| 23:54.12 | Patlabor221 | all we do is look in a catelouge |
| 23:54.22 | Nidhoggr | where you work, pat? |
| 23:54.26 | captain_proton | can you price a black dell p1110? |
| 23:54.40 | Patlabor221 | we can't get dells |
| 23:54.50 | captain_proton | aww |
| 23:54.59 | captain_proton | err |
| 23:54.59 | captain_proton | e |
| 23:55.05 | *** join/#bzflag MrApathyCream (dbrosius@209.195.250.130) |
| 23:55.06 | Patlabor221 | they only come from dell |
| 23:55.21 | Nidhoggr | food truck... back in a few. |
| 23:55.22 | Nidhoggr | & |
| 23:58.03 | captain_proton | shipping sucks for a 21" trinitron |
